cannot select units from mid zoom and further out

[eternal sundial]

like the headline says. cannot select units when zoomed out "too" much. and i must not be zoomed out too far for that to be happened

[eternal sundial]

nobody else having this problem and no ideas what could cause that?

playing games like this has become a pain

also my rating dropped heavily since that 😣

[spring ingot]

I can't reproduce this issue at all, do you have any custom widgets enabled?

What about shift+select behavior?

[final oak]

i would reset the behaviour (delete settings at worst case), because nobody else experiences this.

however @eternal sundial, you haven't described how do you select units?

I tested the new drag threshold feature, and couldn't select units when the selection box is too small, and I think it also messed up with clicking precisely, but after tuning that value everything is as expected.

that's the only case I experienced not being able to select anything.

[plush spruce]

drag select cares about having the midpoint of a unit inside of the box

click select cares about the bounding sphere

relcaim cares about the hitbox of a unit

[sudden elm]

Is there any documentation on this feature? I've had intermittent selection issues when I try to start a selection box on top of the hitbox of a unit.

Moreso when zoomed out, I sometimes have to try 2 or 3 times before I can get a proper selection box, depending on the terrain and units.

[final oak]

i think @plush spruce tinkered with this, it was put in with some settings, personally im not sure what I tuned, i thought that applied to given actions or something, not box select

but what i found it affected some selections so I tuned it down myself

since i never knew what point I started out (defaults), I didnt bother much later

[sudden elm]

Okay, it feels like maybe the default value is wrong, but not wrong enough to cause huge problems for most people, or at least a problem people can easily repro and report.

[final oak]

it basically doesnt register command unless there is space between pixels

idk if you even accidentally did area reclaim instead of regular reclaim

like make super small circle

[sudden elm]

I'm asking about documentation so I can 1) find the value and change it myself to make some experiments and 2) put a link to the documentation in the keybind FAQ so that at least it is somewhere people can find out about it.

reclaim is another place i have been havin problems with issuing the command. many times i will try to drag a circle and it just doesn't, or it is very delayed to display the circle after i click.

[plush spruce]

i dont know where to look

i just know that the behavoirs are inconsistant

https://discord.com/channels/549281623154229250/1130501076236369932

[final oak]

yeah i see jazcash issue where he cant deselect with click or somethign too

but thats fixed by osu

[final oak]

yeah can't help you i'm actually trying to use auto selectors with FromMouse feature as much and autogroups

so don't encounter those things at all

[sudden elm]

not the reclaim issue either?

ah, but if you already changed the value, then probably not

[final oak]

for those i reduced what i figured was the minimal

[eternal sundial]

thanks for response. as far as i know i dont have any custom widgets enabled

shit+select is selecting all including builders. so i dont use it that often. have to take a look on it if it happens also there.

[eternal sundial]

it happens on click select and rectangle select

where in the setting do i find the the drag treshold feature?

[final oak]

there is search bar on the bottom for the settings, i use that exclusively now - so just type drag

[eternal sundial]

mmh in game settings "drag" it does find nothing on my side

[final oak]

yeah, i reloaded to check and didnt find either, but i remember configuring it

@eternal sundial looks like it was removed by Beherith.

you can configure still in springsettings.cfg, I'd try reducing these values or check (below is what I'm at, but I think these might be defaults).

MouseDragBoxCommandThreshold = 44
MouseDragCircleCommandThreshold = 32
MouseDragFrontCommandThreshold = 58
MouseDragSelectionThreshold = 32

[sudden elm]

I'll try to test these settings out sometime over the next few days and add a section to the keybind help FAQ about it if needed. I don't think there's elsewhere to find documentation and I think these might be important settings for somep layers to adjust.

[hushed bronze]

these are re-set every launch

[plush spruce]

this is something that has a post in the #1047235203308986459 about changing the defaults

[eternal sundial]

@final oak u might be right with the selection values after investigating this further. so question. why was it even changed recently?

[eternal sundial]

pls give me some possibility to control this. cause right now its annoying to play if i often have to select 3 or 4 or zooming in before .

booah. i want my 4 pixels back

@hushed bronze wrote these are reset every launch. to how to change them now?

[plush spruce]

this should still be an exposed option available to the player

unless someone removed it

there is also a GDT thread on this topic

[final oak]

yeah, it was removed, not sure why

[plush spruce]

the reason for why this issue was looked into is that ground attack point was being very picky about working and this was the culprit

[final oak]

git blame shows @tidal agate commented the thing out of the settings again
https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/commit/891306c314f32928859d89a1bf94d18d4422b3d3

if it resets all the games, I guess just put it in the widget, or maybe you can make the file read-only to prevent engine from overwriting values

@eternal sundial if it affects you harder, can you tell me your resolution of the screen?

[eternal sundial]

standard hd

1960x1080

[tidal agate]

Please specify which of the above config ints need some tweaking

is this one the one that is too large?
local baseDragThreshold = 32 Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragSelectionThreshold", baseDragThreshold)

[tidal agate]

GDT reported that the 'slider at max is best', thus I removed the slider, and baked that in for all.

Anyhow, please play with these three settings, and report back which one needs some tweaking (ping me pls)
local baseDragThreshold = 32 Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragSelectionThreshold", baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragCircleCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragBoxCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 12) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragFrontCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 26)

[final oak]

alright, so what i'm thinking is, given there's been multiple cryptic "can't select bugs opened" and I have 2 monitors (16:9 and 21:9) with the possibility of upscaling to 4k, it's probably best that I test with different zoom levels on multiple resolutions to make sure I can reliably select units playing zoomed out to map (like managing 3 fronts at the time), and selecting single units & report back. FYI @eternal sundial

[tidal agate]

So it seems like basedragthreshold should be screen resolution dependent?

[final oak]

yeah, it's my first hunch.. on 1024x768 - this is the minimum required to draw the box.

[tidal agate]

Hmm, this requires more thought

local baseDragThreshold = 16 baseDragThreshold = math.round(baseDragThreshold * (xresolution + yresolution) * ( 1/3000) ) baseDragThreshold = math.max(8, math.min(64, baseDragThreshold)) Spring.Echo("Setting drag thresholds based on resolution", xresolution,yresolution,baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragSelectionThreshold", baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragCircleCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragBoxCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 12) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragFrontCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 26)

local baseDragThreshold = 16 baseDragThreshold = math.round(baseDragThreshold * (xresolution + yresolution) * ( 1/3000) ) baseDragThreshold = math.max(8, math.min(64, baseDragThreshold)) Spring.Echo("Setting drag thresholds based on resolution", xresolution,yresolution,baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragSelectionThreshold", baseDragThreshold) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragCircleCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 16) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragBoxCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 16) Spring.SetConfigInt("MouseDragFrontCommandThreshold", baseDragThreshold + 16)

so at 1080p is 16 and 32, respectively