gusty yoke
I recently added my firs AMD card to my stable. The 6700 XT. I am now getting hard hangs at random intervals. Ctrl -alt-del doesn’t even respond. Never had a problem on my NVidia machines (3070, 1070, 2060 maxQ, 2080 TI and 1660 Mobile all work just fine.
Any known issues with the AMD cards? Any tips?
Windows 10. Intel w-2245 with 32gb ram. (Lenovo P520)
wild knot
....There are now like 3? people who have posted with the same-ish issue, all with 6700XT...
There were some persistent driver issues with amd cards in the past, but they've been fixed. I don't have any issues with my 6800, for example, on the 22.5.1 drivers (which I am still using). The one thing is that I guess make sure all your overclocks are perfectly stable, if you have any. This kinda looks like it's just a problem with the 6700xt for some reason though.
outer terrace
I have the exact same issue, the only thing that works is to manually power off the pc by holding the power button. Also 6700xt. First time this happened to me was dec 20. Since then it happens ~once every 3 games I play.
Windows 10 Pro 21H2 19044.2486
Intel i7 6700k, 32GB ram
I'm on the "recommended only" branch of AMD's update policy and have auto-updates enabled. My current driver version is: Driver Version
22.20.29.10-221130a-386458C-AMD-Software-Adrenalin-Edition
I typically play with a few friends against barbarian AI's, and mostly crash within the first 10 minutes. Rejoining works fine and I've never crashed more than once per game
verbal zephyr
6600 XT, I have this same issue at random
outer terrace
By now I've also tried windowed mode, still crashed
peak vortex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724924957074915358/1070846462897958922/20...
Please try pasting your full log into http://imolarpg.dyndns.org/bar/stacktrace_translator/frontend/
That will give you a traceback
module address file \System32\win32u.dll 0x000000000000c954 ?? :0 YSTEM32\OPENGL32.dll 0x000000000001efa3 ?? :0 YSTEM32\OPENGL32.dll 0x0000000000041990 ?? :0 stem32\gdi32full.dll 0x00000000000285c8 ?? :0 72b2d55 bar\SDL2.dll 0x0000000000126965 ?? :0 b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff7602e7fc0 rts/Rendering/GlobalRendering.cpp :674 (https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/spring/blob/72b2d55/rts/Rendering/GlobalRendering.cpp#L674) b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff760475891 rts/System/SpringApp.cpp :830 (https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/spring/blob/72b2d55/rts/System/SpringApp.cpp#L830) b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff760478b08 rts/System/SpringApp.cpp :862 (https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/spring/blob/72b2d55/rts/System/SpringApp.cpp#L862) b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff76045ae6c rts/System/Main.cpp :48 (https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/spring/blob/72b2d55/rts/System/Main.cpp#L48) b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff75feb13c1 /mxe/tmp-gcc-x86_64-w64-mingw32.static/gcc-11.2.0.build_/mingw-w64-v9.0.0/mingw-w64-crt/crt/crtexe.c :323 b2d55 bar\spring.exe 0x00007ff75feb14d6 /mxe/tmp-gcc-x86_64-w64-mingw32.static/gcc-11.2.0.build_/mingw-w64-v9.0.0/mingw-w64-crt/crt/crtexe.c :178 S\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll 0x000000000005dfb8 ?? :0
So that means it hung on SDL_GL_SwapWindow(sdlWindows[0]);
outer terrace
I have not crashed ever since enforcing vsync in the gpu drivers!
verbal zephyr
I haven't changed anything, but haven't crashed lately
livid nacelle
i'll just point out that based on what i see in changelogs of some other games, BAR isn't alone with these cards having problems
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runic goblet
Having same issue with my 6900xt. Stock clock and updated drivers. Used to be every 3rd game would hang. Now its every game within 10-20 mins. Solo or multiplayer.
outer terrace
I have not crashed ever since enforcing vsync in the gpu drivers!
Crashed again, saw in the frozen window that my fps was high again. Despite having the amd drivers set to 'force vsync', bar settings apparently override this? Still my theory that these silly gpu's trip over themselves and they don't crash when you cap the framerate.
So now I've set vsync in bar as well, fingers crossed
livid nacelle
As i said whatever the hell is going on, BAR isn't the only one affected
I swear AMD is just silently trying to kill OpenGL
civic bramble
@runic goblet @outer terrace Do you have FreeSync enabled?
@verbal zephyr sorry for the pings - just asking because I've seen that pointed out as a cause for hangs recently
i've myself had a hang due to a DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION and I do have FreeSync on
outer terrace
<@331178590919983105> <@67007985443934208> Do you have FreeSync enabled?
@peak vortex i assume not on account that i don't think my monitor supports it, but I'll check later
runic goblet
I don't have it enabled.
gusty yoke
Someone added the "known issue" badge, but is there a known work around? I'm still in the return window for this AMD junk and considering swapping for NVIDIA.
livid nacelle
@left halo says that 23.2.1 driver fixed lots of BAR issues for him
That got released today apparently?
Worth a shot i guess.
left halo
I'm on 5700xt but worth as shot for other cards
livid nacelle
Why did they decide to redo their OpenGL driver this much time after the last OpenGL release i have no idea
But it's a rough journey for everyone xD
Not just BAR
left halo
I was getting 40 fps pre 22.5, now i'm 160+
gusty yoke
WOW.
left halo
yeah but the driver was huge
other opengl games saw allot of performance gain i'm assuming.
To iterate on that more. Lets say I started a 8v8 barbAI game. pre 22.5 I would be 120 fps just chilling at the beginning, then slowly grind to a 25-40 fps halt during big end game action. Now I can stay above 60-80 during the same intensity and usually around 220 fps just chilling at the start of a game.
But after 22.5 is was a stuttering mess, and that's all gone now.
left halo
Yes
wild knot
I'll give it a try just now, see if I can confirm
gusty yoke
Ok. I updated to 23.2.1 and I’ve connected to a large battle as spectator. Good news is it didn’t hang yet. Bad news is only 23 fps and lots of weird artifacts (white squares) in water tiles. 6700 XT on 4k
GPU is only 60% utilized and CPU only 26%, but I assume it has maxed one core.
Ok. Joined a game in progress and caught up. 163 fps and no crash. No water on this map, so unsure about the artifact I was seeing.
Wow, now it’s hitting 200fps. This is better than my 3070 on 2k. Glad amd fixed it.
left halo
Everyone knows to uninstall using DDU utility right?
I have yet to have graphical glitches or artifacts on the 5700xt, just frame rate and stuttering. Glad to hear you're doing better.
wild knot
I hate to say it but I haven't noticed any benefit for the 23.2.1 drivers compared to the 22.11.x drivers I was using just before, and I'm still getting a few minor graphical artifacts, such as weird ocean textures and wrecks are tinted purple. 22.5.1 still works best
Although I wasnt crashing before and I'm still not crashing, but I hope that may have been resovled for yall in the newest drivers
inner gull
Water can probably fixed eventually
left halo
Was able to play some games last night, I spoke too soon. Never had artifacts like this before 22.5.1. It's however much smoother gameplay and i'm able to play again with this.
gusty yoke
@left halo I had the same artifacts in water, but no crashes and good frame rates
livid nacelle
yeah this water glitch seems to be affecting everyone
what i can suggest in the meantime is switching water quality to low
inner gull
I'm looking for volunteers who can share their desktop so I can do online debugging of water issue. I just don't have hardware to reproduce it locally
wild knot
I'm looking for volunteers who can share their desktop so I can do online debugg...
I'd be willing to sometime
inner gull
I'd be willing to sometime
Ping me when you have time
wild knot
Sure, idk what time zone you're in but if you're in europe, this weekend would probably be best, unless you want to be up at midnight looking at this lol
inner gull
I'm GMT+4, feel free to ping me on weekend
inner gull
Check out how water looks with new exe
wild knot
@inner gull the water bugs appear to be fixed with this exe, although there appears to have also been a performance regression. Still playing through a game rn to see if anything else weird comes up
inner gull
<@291975290295549952> the water bugs appear to be fixed with this exe, although ...
Perf regression is not super likely, but possible because this exe is built locally on my machine
if I were to guess regarding the perf regression I'd say it's new AMD driver
wild knot
It's hard to tell, because I've only been on the post-22.5.1 drivers for a little while, and there has definitely been a performance regression since then from the drivers in general
I guess while we're here, the only other weird graphical glitch I've noticed is that wrecks and features are tinted purple. Not really a problem, but I thought I'd bring it up in case you're interested
wild knot
(that's an old problem since amd messed things up, not from the test exe you sent)
inner gull
Yes pink features is something else
I'm glad the bumpwater issue is resolved. This has been bugging me for a while.
BTW pink features can also be debugged online, even easier to some extent
boreal coral
Disabling windows Multiplane Overlay (MPO) seems to have fixed that issue for me (i am using the pro drivers).
(6800xt here)
i do have the water glitch like everyone else but no pimped trees
however i do not have the greyish lines in the fog of war. maybe that's an option i have overlooked?
wild knot
Well anyway, thanks for figuring that out, will be glad to see it released!
wild knot
Perf regression is not super likely, but possible because this exe is built loca...
By the way I figured out why I got a performance regression lmao. I disabled all of my overclocks to test the exe
vital hill
Hm i isntalled the newest AMD drivers and just got a complete freeze. So it doesnt seem to solve the problem...
Has anyone else the same experience? Was hoping the new drivers would solve this... 😦
clever ermine
I have the same issue here. Hard system lock, can only fix but hitting the reset button. Latest Windows 10 64 bit, latest AMD drivers 23.2.2 with a 6800XT. I was looking to upload the infolog.txt somewhere in #bugreports but I don't see that channel as noted on the website.
left halo
Have you both tried Underclocking your cards. Try 100mhz steps then 50.
Have you both tried uninstalling in safe mode using DDU Utility?
harsh tartan
Have you both tried Underclocking your cards. Try 100mhz steps then 50.
BAR is too sensitive to be doing that
BAR really does not like underclocking or overclocking at all
left halo
BAR is too sensitive to be doing that
BAR really does not like underclocking or ...
Really? I'm @ 1850mhz 1000mv on my 5700xt and it works fine. Normal is 2150mhz 1200mv.
harsh tartan
yes
you are probably within the tolerance of what can be done
for over/underclocking
left halo
You do know overclocking and underclocking is just an arbitrary number set by AMD or the board partner right. There's technically is no such thing as default clocks.
Or voltages
harsh tartan
@latent sonnet can explain it better
left halo
There's a reason why EVGA kingpin cards exist
Or AMD nitro
Everyone's board is different even from the same manufacturer. You may get lucky you may not. You have to play with clocks and voltages to find stability.
It may be a problem with bar specifically but it's still worth people trying.
Oh and before I forget AMD also is awful at down stepping voltages. Do this instead.
peak vortex
Msi afterburner literally steps voltage frequency pairs for you
left halo
MSI afterburner causes my the 5700xt to greenscreen, just AMD things
vital hill
Have you both tried uninstalling in safe mode using DDU Utility?
Uhm no I was using the amd driver installation which has an option to remove the old drivers
That's not sufficient?
left halo
Not at all
vital hill
That amd cleanup utility is also not worth using ? I guess I have to try that ddu thing then
left halo
I would use DDU safe mode cleanup 100%
vital hill
Okay will try that. Thanks
wild knot
These days I undervolt, underpower, and underclock my card for the most part, but I stability test my changes pretty well, and I don't have the crashing problem, and never did.
Although I did once corrupt my gpu drivers with an unstable curve optimizer set, and that did require DDU to fix
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1198l3f/amd_2322_drivers_did_they_fixed_opengl/
The hard hangs in opengl games appears to be pretty common, but I guess AMD is looking into in, as there was a amd representative collecting information in the comments here.
vital hill
Hm, I DDUed, reinstalled the drivers, downvolted my GPU. It is still crashing in every game after like 5 Minutes. Guess I will have to put BAR aside until AMD gets this fixed
left halo
Hm, I DDUed, reinstalled the drivers, downvolted my GPU. It is still crashing in...
Just down volting will cause even more stability problems. Keep voltage stock and down clock your frequency.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066601762762526831/1078771387629568161/image.png and set your voltages the same across all steppings.
boreal coral
@vital hill @clever ermine Disable windows Multiplane Overlay (MPO)
no freeze since i have done that
and IF it still does it for some reason, use the pro drivers.
you ll still have to disable MPO even with the pro drivers tho
if others can confirm doing that solve the random freeze issue (it did for me so i am 99% sure it will for others with amd card)
this should be pinned somewhere as a solution for AMD cards owners
vital hill
Just down volting will cause even more stability problems. Keep voltage stock a...
it looks like this now (standard). I am using a RX5700, so i guess i need different settings than you provided, right?
@boreal coralI just did that MPO thing, feels like I could play some additional minutes, but still freezing...
will try pro drivers next
left halo
type 1750 in p1 frequency
hit enter
type 990 in p1 voltage hit enter
if it still freezes, come down on the frequency 50mhz and retest
vital hill
okay will try that. But doesnt that mean, the GPU will use much more power during lower load periods?
thanks!
left halo
not really
vital hill
Ok last 2 Matches without any freezes
will try again tomorrow, but looks very good. Thanks alot!
clever ermine
<@619451545276383246> <@394308030134484993> Disable windows Multiplane Overlay (...
I will try that, thank you 🙂
boreal coral
Ok last 2 Matches without any freezes
with the pro driver and MPO disabled?
vital hill
with the pro driver and MPO disabled?
No, just the standard driver. Just disabling MPO made no difference, but adjusting the MHz seems to be the key
I made the volts constant instead of variable and now it seems to work
boreal coral
I made the volts constant instead of variable and now it seems to work
interesting. what option did you tweak exaclty?
boreal coral
<@219832746745266177>
i don't see those options..
that's what i have:
vital hill
strange... when i click the advanced options, i see these sliders...
but i have to admit, that i am a complete clocking noob
left halo
i don't see those options..
that's what i have:
What gpu do you use? For your settings I would keep min and max frequency the same or as close as possible. Slowly drop frequency by 50mhz and retest.
boreal coral
What gpu do you use? For your settings I would keep min and max frequency the s...
power color 6800xt
those are my adrenaline settings,
with pro drivers
and MPO disabled.
no freeze since.
i did overclock and underclock a bit
left halo
If it only happens in BAR, don't count on AMD fixing it. You may want to send them a report on your issue.
If any other game is crashing, you may want to check your other components, especially system memory (RAM).
clever ermine
<@619451545276383246> <@394308030134484993> Disable windows Multiplane Overlay (...
I did that, had a 3 hour gaming session, worked great, thank you!
boreal coral
Ok maybe it is an issue with rx5700 cards then
maybe double check if you did disable MPO correctly X)
vital hill
Maybe an interesting side fact: freeze never happens when speccing
knotty geyser
23.3.1 driver dropped yesterday, so far so good! 😎
boreal coral
nice
peak vortex
23.3.1 driver dropped yesterday, so far so good! 😎
Still good?
boreal coral
just a tip. it seems like the driver faileure is more prone to happen when wattman isn't open (the amd adrenaline software). if i don't have it open it freeze 100% of the time after some time gaming. but if it is opened, i just did a big 2H session without freeze...
it is really wierd. but just in case, for those who still get the freeze, try and play with the adrenaline software open.
(oh and also disable MPO just in case.)
vital hill
I just played 2 games without problems. Don't want to celebrate yet, but looks good 😋
