#IO didn’t create the loop

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patent flint
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Every time the IO lost control of the zero point, the loop continued functioning as normal. Even when they were defeated in chapter 3, it kept going as if nothing had happened. In chapter 3 season 4, there were quests that mentioned the storm was still working, and we know that it is important for the loop. I think that the zero point created the loop to protect itself, and the IO was only manipulating it.

restive leaf
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This is most likely the case, yeah

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It’s pretty cool how the Zero Point, The Island(old one..still is?), and the Storm and the Spire are all sentient. We also know the Storm is ruled by The Last Reality, so the Zero Point using the Storm is interesting too

patent flint
restive leaf
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You’d probably be correct.
There’s The Nothing and the Zero Point. The Last Reality’s power sorta revolves around Dark Energy of Cubes and The Storm. But as we learn, the Storm itself is used by The Zero Point.

Point is; either A the Zero Point copied The Nothing’s work, or B the Last Reality uses Zero Point energy.

patent flint
restive leaf
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I agree

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As in Ch 2 S5-6, the ZP turns their purple color and then The Spire pops up.

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and while Foundation spawned the Spire on purpose, not connected to the Purple destabilization, I’m pretty sure it’s a subtle hint

patent flint
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Another thing, as we saw in the Batman comic, the IO can continue to manipulate the zero point even when they aren’t on the island, meaning that they have a presence off the island. That confused me because when they were removed from the island in chapter 3, it seamed like they were gone for good.

restive leaf
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Cuz they are/were. Most died

untold elbow
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Maybe the IO just made the loop easier to control and they still used it to put people inside of it so when IO was defeated it became unstable resulting in the last reality coming to the island

restive leaf
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That wouldn’t lead to the last reality coming here. They’re just pretty lucky with how things turned out

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We actually have a Storm Being. His name is Tempest. But like the Rift characters; he also hasn’t done anything.
We literally have characters made up of the 2 biggest energies in the lore and they’re just…not used. At all.

restive leaf
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And actually;

My Theory is that The “Something Old; Something Bad” that was hunting the Fox Clan was the Last Reality; and in S7, we got a new Fox clan member, and in S8, they DID get and corrupt Drift.

I do wanna emphasize though, about the Last Reality, is that they weren’t always nonbenevolent, and were potentially Zero Point protectors. The Zero Point uses the Storm; the Spire was Last Reality Darkness despite being for the Zero Point, again Origin being a good guy, on the top of The Zero Point being shown to have a purple energy. So I think they’re the “Old Guardians” mentioned by Raz; and the Nothing just corrupted their minds over time

pseudo granite
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i feel like this is some fn talk show

untold elbow
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Next time on FN talk show we discover was the last reality good or evil

wheat mountain
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I believe this

patent flint
# restive leaf And actually; My Theory is that The “Something Old; Something Bad” that was hun...

Another figure we have to figure in to this is Midas. If Midas was trying to destroy the loop, knowing that he at one point worked for IO, he surely would have known that destroying the loop would leave it unprotected. It makes you wonder what he had to gain from the destruction of the loop. It doesn’t help that we know almost nothing about him, and almost everything we know is inferred. He is teased to come back every season at this point, although when they bring him back, everyone will be talking about him.

restive leaf
# patent flint Another figure we have to figure in to this is Midas. If Midas was trying to des...

He just wanted its inhabitants to be free.
So that sets up the question of where does IO fit into this? We learn that he was/still is an IO agent. GHOST is derived from IO, and so IO were fighting SHADOW…confirmed later by Agent Fishstick being seen in IO, and infiltrating Shadow Meowscles’ base. So that sets up IO vs SHADOW; and Midas’ plan.
However, IO sees the device and flood-ifies the Storm. But then….why do we see Marigold and Jules, so also presumably still Midas, in the IO? Why didn’t they like wanna execute him or something-

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Then in Ch 3 S2, SHADOW were the ones with IO while GHOST were the ones fighting them…
So sooorta lost tbh

green vault
untold elbow
restive leaf
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Yeah SHADOW IO; Ghost resistance

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But as for Midas, he didn’t appear.

patent flint
# restive leaf But as for Midas, he didn’t appear.

After thinking for awhile, all we know for sure about Midas is that he worked for ghost, is the father of Jules, switched sides to shadow, built a device to destroy the storm, and disappeared. Everything else is assumed.

restive leaf
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Yeah. Cursed with the gold touch; Criminal Mastermind; Founded SHADOW, lead GHOST, betrayed(maybe not really?) GHOST, Almost Broke Loop

patent flint
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We really don’t know anything about him

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Despite him being one of the most important storyline characters

restive leaf
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GHOST stuff in IO’s HQ, plus Jules and Marigold

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He’s got IO connections

turbid parrot
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dont we know that the io didnt create the loop?

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they just controlled it

restive leaf
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Yeah.

untold elbow
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Wait but why would the zero point create the loop because the zero point created the island back in chapter 1 from things like the devourer, galactus and last reality do why would it wanna create a loop where people are trapped there when it was trying to hide?

patent flint
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It has shown itself to be semi-sentient