Know it was a issue whit DLP
#⭐ Keys Feedback
idle timber
fresh tapir
No worries, I know now haha
reef shard
quiet anvil
For the water map
The suffocation mechanic on the water map could be a bit clearer. Since it's such a big deal if you miss it something really apparent (bubbles around your head?) would be nice.
It'd be nice if the bubbles respawned. I get why they don't but in a party the amount of bubbles, if your rng is bad (or you're bad), can lead to bad things. Especially on mobs where you have to move a lot and you accidentally use one.
livid acorn
I will not have the bubbles respawn. Skill issue 😛
In terms of suffocation, there should be an on screen notification that tells you that you need oxygen, right?
quiet anvil
I think so, but i'll be honest, wherever it is I'm not looking. I'm looking at a mob, my char, skill bar, etc.
fresh tapir
Agreed, I feel like half the time by the time theres a pop-up its too late and I've drown
errant stag
There is a text pop up in the top of the screen but it's not very clear.
livid acorn
what we really really need is some UI visual effect
like the sides of your screen are glowing blue and bubbles appear everywhere
and then an oxygen mask explodes from your monitor and winks at you
fresh tapir
Love the idea of that. In the interim, would it be possible to do it as a "timed" debuff?
fresh tapir
isn't it a timed debuff?
I may be blind, but I'll keep any eye on it next time I'm in one.
livid acorn
errant stag
and then an oxygen mask explodes from your monitor and winks at you
Ethyrial VR when? My Index is ready.
idle timber
@green carbon minyo and me cleared like over 60 fire maps
0 frags
same whit fire weapons 0
minyo only seen 1 fire weapon in all the runs
so mabye something not scaling correctly
reef shard
Quick check of my Monster Journal and I have earned for Fire maps: 36 celestial keys and 0 frags. compare to Water: 31 celest and 17 frags. Looking at the map monster I could find I typically have gotten about 1 frag for every 2 keys.
I used this weird method of checking because I cleared a lot of maps before legendary drops were a thing so kc wouldnt work.
I also figure this would account for any loot drop bonuses I get from a high tier compass. The ratio of celest to frags.
green carbon
I rebuilt the fire loot tables just to make sure - lets see if its fixed for next patch
errant stag
I rebuilt the fire loot tables just to make sure - lets see if its fixed for nex...
Thank you. Is that still tentatively planned for today?
green carbon
Thank you. Is that still tentatively planned for today?
yes 
errant stag
Ball lightning summon from Lightning Drakes have the same amount of health as the drake. They also give loot and experience.
livid acorn
fixed
idle timber
think each map type should drop a coalesced trinket
reef shard
I rebuilt the fire loot tables just to make sure - lets see if its fixed for nex...
Flame Fragments drop now for sure ty
idle timber
Flame Fragments drop now for sure ty
we were indeed not crazy
errant stag
Not directly related to keys, rather the Chrono vendor in this case (and would apply to other vendors as well):
Items that are a one-time consumable should not remain in the vendor's inventory after you have consumed it. Not only does it bloat the UI but it also leads to instances where you can purchase something you already have and can do nothing with it as they aren't tradeable.
Alternatively, you can leave the items but make them able to be sold back to the vendor for the same price in the event you accidentally buy it. This still leaves the "bloat" but it at least removes the accidental penalty.
I own all of the x'd items in this image and have no reason to ever buy them again, but if I do I'm just out chronostones.
The edge case you'd need to account for here is someone buying these and deleting them (though I'd just make them not deletable to solve for this).
green carbon
We do have this as a task item actually, need to build the logic in the vendor code to support it
cunning berry
lightning stacks dont seem to clear after leaving the map
cunning berry
Shadow map has no flow
nature map trapdoor rope always drops you back down on the first attempt
to go up
errant stag
Shadow map has no flow
Strongly agree. The backtracking sucks. Easily my least favorite map.
cunning berry
Wind mobs STRONK af but im probably just bad
errant stag
They are mathematically stronger. It's been proven in a few different discussions. When they crit it's quite brutal.
idle timber
Shadow map has no flow
Yeah i think i said this whit a screenshot while back as well
cunning berry
During my time with monster hunter the highest lvl wind elementals were the only mob i had to wear resistances for
idle timber
Just weird and doesnt play well
cunning berry
What yall think about merging all key monsters into their own "Key map" category in monster book?
cunning berry
i havent even looked XD
yeah they all individual rn
seems like alot of clutter
they have same resist, weakness, and drop table
errant stag
Thoughts on adding leylocked celestial keys? If for no other reason than for testing / feedback as a temporary thing?
I can understand the desire to have it random when the system is finished, but while adding bosses and iteration is ongoing, it's going to be pretty annoying to target the new boss. It will get more annoying as more are added as the likelihood of getting the new one will continue to diminish.
Open to other methods if you don't want to go that route. My point is I want to be able to test and feedback on the new bosses without friction.
livid acorn
yes 100%
errant stag
Cool ❤️
errant stag
@livid acorn So what's the deal with the Zealot of the Flame guys? I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.
They hit 1 health and then channel their AoE. I stand still in said AoE to not take damage, then they spawn 3 gold circles. I run over the circles while they are up, which I seemingly don't take damage from while this is happening, but I gain 11 stacks of the debuff. In the last map, Minyo and I encountered this and it seemed very inconsistent, so much so on the last mob we pulled Minyo just died randomly while we were doing the 3 circles.
errant stag
I don't
livid acorn
reef shard
Im aware of this. you have to run over them in order. Doesnt always work.
errant stag
Unfortunately AQ20/40 are the worst parts of Vanilla WoW IMO, but I do like the Abuisath guys
green carbon
im weird i kinda like aq20/40
reef shard
I think there may be a few issues with it. One being that before the circle spot appears, you get a flash of where it will be. I think if you touch this area it disrupts the process whether it was the correct next one in sequence or not. Also, they either appear just directly under you maybe out of order instantly disrupting the process, or maybe they just dont spawn at all.
That map and the mana vixen map I don't think are working right all the time
green carbon
roger we can check
errant stag
It doesn't feel like it's working correctly based on what we have tested, would appreciate a check. Thanks.
As for liking AQ20/40, I love the idea of it. Massive fan of Dune and desert areas in games. Love C'thun. Just hate how much downtime / trash there is in there.
green carbon
i forget the name of those mind control dudes that cause chaos
gotta get a clean ID with as few as possible 🤣
errant stag
Mindslayers
Skeram (first boss) is themed around it completely, but yeah, they are rough
green carbon
errant stag
Yee, I noted it in the other channel. If you disable stacking and relog it will fix it
Or at least it did for me
green carbon
stacking is borked atm and isn't anchoring the player's nameplate properly
cunning berry
ayyo fk these guys
also are the outcroppings from these guys supposed to add 5 stacks of arcane instability?
green carbon
bump
quiet anvil
not sure if this is graphical, to do with the new level thing, or keys. I keep having light get the exp that magic should
green carbon
what's your current weapon?
quiet anvil
2 dlp wands, 1 void 1 radiant
green carbon
will check
idle timber
i have done about 70 maps at lvl 46 mobs gotten about 17 fragments
then against 48 mobs 70 maps 17 fragments
now 49 mobs 20 and no fragments yet
i just dont notice anything about fragment drop rate increase by going higher map lvls
So it seems pointless to upgrade atm
green carbon
You won’t notice it in a short amount of runs, it’s actually ideal to find the sweet spot and not push higher unless you want to min/max
idle timber
Then id ask this what is the good enough runs total were you should feel the difference?
green carbon
Idk we would have to bust out chatgpt and do some statistics
Say your drop chance improves from 1/1k to 1/750 at t20 (made up numbers)
You might not feel it in 750 kills even though the rolls are actually more favorable
In the end though, I guess everything is 50/50 so it doesn’t matter which tier you run 
idle timber
Idk we would have to bust out chatgpt and do some statistics
Say your drop chan...
True
50/50
All that it is
Also ressist seems useless in maps
I got 25% water ressist and still take like 1100 damage
green carbon
what tier?
idle timber
T14 i think
quiet anvil
I think celestial keys are still too rare unless I'm just unlucky on drops (or really lucky on fragments)
I've gotten probably... 80 or so celestial keys, no cinder drops, but I'm sitting on 18 fragments currently.
If I end up getting as unlucky as Minyo/Crank I'm looking at 40+ fragments before I get a single Cinder. If this rate is normal fragments are going to be worthless in comparison to keys at 1/256 cinder chance
Also i think something buggy is going on with maps. We left a map unfinished and in other maps we were seeing corpses of these guys. Also fighting Farald I see them up in the trees too
idle timber
I think celestial keys are still too rare unless I'm just unlucky on drops (or r...
Think Celestial keys should just be removed
cunning berry
Think Celestial keys should just be removed
That just gives even less reasons to run keys
idle timber
That just gives even less reasons to run keys
Not really they still give fragments
And later ubers
Think its also possible to fix by having them be purchased whit chronostones
Like 10-15 stones each
Calling them like Celestial locked keys
And making them untradeable
fresh tapir
Sunken Depths, Zerker is able to accidentally dash under the map and gets stuck. Was the first stretch after starting the map, maybe 2nd or 3rd mob. Dashed next to the mob, then stuck and was beat to death unable to move. Couldn't dash back up either.
fresh tapir
Sphinx's on the Hall of Heroes map give a lot of stacks very quickly. Their Solar Flare move gives 10 per time hit, without a good was to stun that, the blind debuff makes them very difficult to fight them after getting hit by flare a few times. I feel like it could be reduced from 10 per to 5 per.
livid acorn
as long as you stay in the dome of protection, you wont get any stacks
fresh tapir
as long as you stay in the dome of protection, you wont get any stacks
Next time I get them I'll see, but I feel like half the time the dome is gone before the solar flare goes off
quiet anvil
Armored Arthropod's "Nautilus" skill often spawns under the edges of the map and you can't see/walk over them.
lime sand
Also i think something buggy is going on with maps. We left a map unfinished and...
Im gonna add to this. Arcane map seems to bleed dead mobs over to itself and other maps. Thunder map debuff stays until relogging. Shadowstepping to the new boss locks you under the boss and stops all movement until death.
ancient quiver
green carbon
true dat
need to check the spine to make sure it doesnt fly all over the place
but we could set it up
reef shard
I was wrong earlier when I said I saw every fragment now. I dont have a Wind Fragment and I don't remember seeing one drop ever. Has anyone else?
green carbon
just checked, had a typo in the loot table definition
fixed for next patch
cunning berry
☠️
green carbon
lime sand
Not sure if it was due to the recent patch or if it has been an issue previously but over half of the Ethersalan Embryo's I killed didnt leave an interactable corpse. Pressing Alt wouldnt bring up the name of those corpses.
green carbon
that's odd - will investigate
lime sand
Someone is having trouble counting
idle timber
Someone is having trouble counting
summon map i guess?
lime sand
summon map i guess?
Not exactly. Eye of Penance and minion of duresss. They are spawned in from the beginning.
This was from a summon map. Shadow Visage pop and summon but also probably shouldnt have popped the all enemies vanquished in the middle of it. XD
fresh tapir
@green carbon seem to have an issue with damage on maps. Just got 2 shot on the first mob. Did 2500 then 3500. I'm level 46 and my maps are lvl 49. This one was run solo.
We are running as a 3 man and I'm regularly getting hit for 1600-2500 as the front facing person. Been like this for 3 maps in a row, all different maps with different mobs.
green carbon
Kk will check, can you share your damage log so I can see the attack info?
It’s possible that this is because of 2 bug fixes:
-
everything in maps used to be physical damage even though it reported an elemental subtype
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The armor changes to make hitting armor cap not trivial
Also your character sheet and resistance to the element would be helpful to know
green carbon
Perfect I see it my b
fresh tapir
My Resistences aren't accurate as I have both the maps talents so a 3% for all.
idle timber
Sunken guardian always did insane damage
fresh tapir
Prior to this I had no issues with them, they were pretty comfy
idle timber
Like before changes 1500 on me
fresh tapir
And it wasn't just them, its been 4 differen t maps with different mobs
idle timber
Its prolly because you have physical armor
And they used to all do physical damage
Even to it said water it was physical water
So you would reduce it completely pretty much
fresh tapir
I understand that, and that armor got changed to be better balanced. Getting 2 shot on the first mob with basically unavoidable damage feels pretty bad
idle timber
Yeah agreed
In general map mobs do lot of damage because maps keep scaling damage wise but you dont actually get stronger
Before it was easy you could hit physical cap and be done whit it
Now you prolly cant go higher then 44 ot 45 maps whitout dying
green carbon
My Resistences aren't accurate as I have both the maps talents so a 3% for all.
quick Q are the maps talents not appearing properly in the list?
fresh tapir
I would assume not?
green carbon
ah i see, ok they are flat magic resistance instead of raw elemental reduction
we can make them appear in the list so it's more clear
fresh tapir
Tooltip in shop vs talent after unlocked
green carbon
I think the remedy here is correcting the map multipliers
we reduced dmg of monsters, but didn't get the map modifiers
fresh tapir
That makes sense, so the now that it swapped to elemental damage the multiplier just stacks really fast then?
green carbon
that may be the case yeah
idle timber
That makes sense, so the now that it swapped to elemental damage the multiplier ...
dont think so
i was already taking insane damage before
because i was wearing light
so no physical
green carbon
adjusting for next patch
green carbon
bump
reef shard
Now lightning vulnerability lasts after the map
green carbon
@reef shard before u dip, would u be willing to send your log to see the crash source?
no pressure if you can't atm
fresh tapir
downgraded my compass by 2 tiers down to 12 and it still feel pretty rippy with the changes
idle timber
downgraded my compass by 2 tiers down to 12 and it still feel pretty rippy with ...
what armor do you wear opecla?
fresh tapir
str BoC. so less magic armor overall. But mostly just stating that even with the 15-20 scaling change, and 2 tiers knocked off it still is rippy running them solo
idle timber
str BoC. so less magic armor overall. But mostly just stating that even with the...
yeah you are in the same boat as me now
thats the light armor experience before they changed all the types to be elemetnal
since its 50/50 on autos doing magic or physical medium is better
fresh tapir
I mean... same boat or not, if it feels bad it feels bad. Not really a competition haha
idle timber
every mob did like 1500 to me for as long as i remember
and yes it does indeed feel bad
i suggested way back to just make the auto negligable
since you should do the mechanics
and not worry about dying to random attacks
fresh tapir
Example of 3 hits from a mob. I have no debuffs from the map aside from the -65% res from map modifier
idle timber
Example of 3 hits from a mob. I have no debuffs from the map aside from the -65%...
just get ressist🤓
fresh tapir
Another example. Without the self healing from zerker, I doubt I could even fight these guys. Healing pot/ divinity's reach wouldn't be enough, then resting between every fight and needing to wait on potion CDs before entering the next.
Different map. 2nd pic is the mob that killed me. Happens within seconds because of autos. Just makes maps not worth running. The time investment, potions need, just not worth it
green carbon
it may still be a bit high, will look further today
quiet anvil
Should Riftslicers do both arcane and "None" damage?
quiet anvil
Sidenote #1: I put on spellslingers cloak to give myself an additional 5% arcane but it translates from 6.3% resist to 9.6% resist mitigated. Is that correct?
Sidenote #2: Could the cd on their nullification skill increase by a hair? Right now the pool on the ground lasts longer than the cd so you end up with multiple pools in a tiny area D: Chisme pls
also the hitbox is a little wider on the aoe than it should be. Here im' getting hit by the debuff while not being in it
quiet anvil
ok, i know this is a dead horse but melee in maps is a huge no-go right now. I know the one is a crit but 30% of my hp in one hit is rough. This is only with a level 9 compass, the mobs being 2 levels lower than me Meanwhile magic classes are getting an additional 20% or so naturally on resists if in cloth
green carbon
i do plan to look at this again tonight
green carbon
Should Riftslicers do both arcane and "None" damage?
fixed
green carbon
bump
quiet anvil
I think celestial keys are still too rare unless I'm just unlucky on drops (or r...
bump on this
I still think this is the case given how few celestial keys I see drop. I'm trying not to buy keys or my cinders to get a feel for this grind and I think it's quite steep.
You'd need ~600 regular keys to get enough celestial keys and then run ~500-600 celestial keys to have enough to make a single 2h weap.
So 1200+ instanced runs. Each regular key taking ~10m and each celestial taking ~2m = 120 hours of key content for a single 2h weap. Since we're expected to get multiples for classes, multiples for resist types. It's feeling quite steep right now.
also, these guys still spawn in weird spots
green carbon
bump on this
I still think this is the case given how few celestial keys I see ...
hmm, fair although I think some friction that leads to buying items instead of self-finding everything is necessary - will try to think on the balance
fresh tapir
I love the idea of being able to buy keys and have a market for it, but the current end game playerbase isn't set up for it right now.
Also, maps really only offer stuff towards legendaries, so anyone running maps is working towards those, and not wanting to sell keys since they want to run them themselves. If there were other things added to maps that made running them for an alternative reason, then I could see that more.
quiet anvil
yea, maybe the move too is that i just do buy keys/cinders now to simulate the future state. I think a lot of us are in the old completionist mindset.
I just don't know that i'd ever actually sell keys/cinders but maybe others would if they have a single class they really vibe with rather than an altaholic like me
idle timber
hmm, fair although I think some friction that leads to buying items instead of s...
In the current game testing taste there are 2 good options
Buff drop rate
Or sell infinite keys on tp
lime sand
Or sell infinite keys on tp
Bonus here is that it leads to more testing XD
green carbon
idle timber
Bonus here is that it leads to more testing XD
Yeah i think just selling like 10k keys for 25gold each is good
We can keep testing
Because whit current drop rates it aint happening
green carbon
ok 1 reddit shill screenshot = 25 keys added to TP 🤝
wet tulip
fresh tapir
So, not sure if this has been reported before... but.
You can open a key inside of a key. If its the same map type, it puts you back into the beginning of the map you were in, same mobs, same amount still dead.
If its a different type of map, you enter it same as you would normally. Leaving the new map puts you back into the overworld, not the original map you were in.
green carbon
yes we do need to add a check to prevent this and require zoning out
lime sand
yes we do need to add a check to prevent this and require zoning out
Honestly...would be nice if you could do it from inside and avoid the lag and additional teleport time from going out of keys
fresh tapir
Actually, that is a fair point. And if someone opens early, then its their loss of the key. I don't think I'd mind it staying, but the downside is the same type map puts you back in the one you're already in
green carbon
Would be nice, but PoE doesn't let u zone map -> map either - more issues that need to be considered
fresh tapir
Yeah, but thats integral to how PoE works since you have scarabs, divine vessels, additional map mods that all get added to the map. I could see if stuff like that is the plan for this game in the future to have modifiable maps, then it would make sense to not be able to chain
green carbon
i added to list for us to look into more
fresh tapir
coolio
reef shard
How is this still happening?
green carbon
How is this still happening?
tried another fix for this about a week ago, i thought it was fixedd 
no idea why it only happens to this particular map
checking today again
fresh tapir
Not sure what really happened, was in the Frost map, screen went fully black and I was falling for eternity, kept getting hit by mobs and died
green carbon
Not sure what really happened, was in the Frost map, screen went fully black and...
possibly jump/tile related issues - working on fixes for this 🫡
lime sand
Random memory accessed (not to be confused with RAM...or is it the same thing) How are maps instanced? I need to look through some things, but I believe the game "Rift" had themed keys for personal persistent housing. They added random drops to mobs that were placeable in the maps to customize them. I think they had both personal and guild level keys.
green carbon
Chisme's original idea was kinda like this - essentially like Hideouts in PoE where u had a home base and worked outward and explored more keys and improved your hideout
It will be good to get construction items into drop tables when the system is ready
I'll research the Rift stuff more, sounds cool
lime sand
Chisme's original idea was kinda like this - essentially like Hideouts in PoE wh...
If my account is still active, I think I had a void themed one which was cool af. I do like that idea. Gives a method of improving your base that isnt just crafting random stuff or static.
I havent played in a long time but the class system and random event system were cool too
spiral kindle
I looooove Rift.
lime sand
Chisme's original idea was kinda like this - essentially like Hideouts in PoE wh...
Nothing built in them but 2 of the cooler personal keys. Also, recommend looking at their attunement and class trees. Both are very interesting.
fresh tapir
What happened to their HP
lime sand
What happened to their HP
Looks good to me. Uh on that note...lets run some keyyyyyys 🤣
green carbon
hmm weird, did u re-zone into the same map?
and are they dropping loot actually, or are they the ones that have no loot tables
fresh tapir
Nope, we were in a Frost one before this. This was our second water one too, the first ones mobs were fine
Dropped correct loot
green carbon
interesting kk
fresh tapir
also bugged
we did one before this on @lime sand compass, level 40, they had the same hp and died super fast too
green carbon
investigating now
fresh tapir
investigating now
want us to test more maps, or hold since its obviously bugged
green carbon
did the tempermancer die quickly?
fresh tapir
very. Like they had no armor almost
lime sand
health way low too
green carbon
kk
lime sand
They infact didnt have armor XD
lime sand
will fix and then restart, then getting tacos
Hits restart, leaves, comes back server still down 4 hours later. 😭
green carbon
did fix for maps too lmk
quiet anvil
weirdish bug.
We had a party, me, opec, and darx.
Me and opec openned a map and most hte mobs were dead. Darx was in there having started that map earlier (arcane map) so we joined him half way through the map
fresh tapir
Our nature map was entirely Barklings. In the basement we had a singular Myconoid in the basement area
fresh tapir
Armor still missing/not working right for Tempermancers in the Frost map
fresh tapir
Also, after the most recent restart, me, Darx, and Azrick keep getting the same mob in each of the maps we are running. We're mainly getting Frost, Earth, Fire, Air maps, and its always Tempermancers, Orgiod Raiders, Pyromancers, Eagles. Same for the thunder map too, but can't remember the mob name.
This is after around 25+ maps that its always the same mob in each respective map.
green carbon
roger that tyvm
green carbon
Armor still missing/not working right for Tempermancers in the Frost map
fixed this - was spawning the wrong mob
fresh tapir
Interesting, wonder what caused that
fresh tapir
So the Zealot Keepers of the Flame in the divine map are still super bugged. Their sacrifice ability goes off about 9/10 times and the circles they put down still sometimes show up under the map/can't step on them. They are incredibly annoying to fight since you can't really prevent getting 10 stacks per kill, and they quickly become almost impossible to kill since they hit so hard the more stacks you have.
Recommendation, disable those mobs from the pool of mobs for that map till theyre fixed. Right now they are a 100% skip mob.
quiet anvil
night ruin
So the Zealot Keepers of the Flame in the divine map are still super bugged. The...
These seemed to mostly work for me last night. The only issue is it seems only 1 party member can hit the circles or they bug, or if a circle spawns directly under you it can bug. Appear to have to step in the circles in the order they spawn also. Only the first 1/2 didnt spawn circles for me
reef shard
Yeah they sometimes work and sometimes dont. You are supposed to step on them in order, but they will just stop spawning. I suspect this means they spawn under you or a party member and it breaks the order and they go borked, but they could also just be appearing under the ground or under a decoration that you cannot get to.
Lots of ground circles spawn under decorations or in water/lava and you cant get to them still. Armored Arthropods and Doomsayer too. Might be more I don't remember
quiet anvil
In the Arcane Nexus Map around 33, 58, 3 there's an invisible wall/rock in the middle of the platform
The first 2 kills per map still lags/delays loot also (iirc a potential fix was added for this)
quiet anvil
for the water map some mechs are broke. Can't get the suffocating bubbles, can't do Armored Arthopod mech in narrow parts of the map or near the edges
quiet anvil
The first couple kills in maps doesn't lag quite as bad but still lags in maps
fresh tapir
Just had a Sunken Depth map with 2 other people. While fighting the Armored Arthropod, when they did their nautilus attack, stepping on the 5 circles wouldn't clear them, thus getting stacks. I later couldn't breath from the map mechanic and tried 2 different bubble columns and it wouldn't take them to regain breath and I died.
Per @dim tide, there was a different Sunken Depth's mob that once he got stacks, he couldn't collect bubbles either to fix the map mechanic.
reef shard
I dont think any of the step on floor mechanics work right now in maps