[NCIP 22] A system for continuously crafting the desired equipment: Custom Craft - 24.09.06

[peak quail]

NCIP: https://github.com/planetarium/NCIPs/blob/ncip-22/NCIP/ncip-22.md

Abstract

By introducing a new equipment crafting system, players can create equipment with specs that continuously grow and a wide range of skills. This allows players to design equipment in the form they desire and obtain equipment with their preferred appearance. I would like to hear various opinions on this system.

Motivation

• To reduce the excessive cost burden caused by the repetitive addition of world content.
• The addition of diverse content has led to an increased demand for various types of equipment setups.
• To overcome the limitations of the current system, where equipment appearance is determined by its specs, and to allow players to choose appearances that suit their preferences.

Rational

• Establishment of a system that grows repeatedly with a long-term goal.
• Breaking away from the constraints of building content environments based on predefined specifications.
• Creation of NFTs that reflect one's preferences to the maximum extent in both appearance and performance.

Specification

Crafting Materials

The materials needed for crafting equipment are "Scrolls" and "Circles."

• Scroll (Short for Design Scroll):
  • Obtained through Monster Collection (NCG - Staking).
  • Tradable.
• Circle (Short for Circle of Fate)
  • Can be obtained as stage rewards, world boss rewards, and first-clear rewards from adventure boss content.
  • Tradable.

Crafting Process (Flow)

1. Workshop: Perform basic tasks required for crafting equipment.
2. Custom Craft: Set the desired appearance and stats of the equipment.
3. Craft: Create the equipment based on the configured settings.
4. Relationship Added: Produce more powerful equipment through repeated increases in intimacy.

Detailed Crafting Menu

• Weapons: Displayed with animations.
• Necklaces, Rings, etc.: Displayed with the image of the item.

When crafting equipment, detailed information about the equipment to be crafted is displayed:

• Equipment Information:
  • Name (e.g., Custom + Weapon Name format)
  • Expected Block
  • Experience Points to be Gained
  • Level Requirement to Equip
  • Total Craft Count for the equipment crafted in this appearance
• Equipment Option Information:
  • Basic Stats
  • Sub-stat CP Range
  • Random Attribute (randomly determined from None, Fire, Water, Wind, or Earth)
  • Skill List
    • Custom equipment has a 100% chance to acquire skills, and the skill list and probability are determined based on the type of equipment.
• Required Materials:
  • Scrolls + Circles are required by default.
  • NCG or additional materials may be required once when reaching certain intimacy levels.

Custom Equipment Crafting Features

• Relationship System: The avatar gains "Relationship" points based on the number of times it is crafted.
  • Each custom craft increases relationship by 1.
  • As relationship increases beyond a certain point, the selectable appearances and sub-stat CP that can be obtained increase.
    • Create equipment that best fits the strategic meta you wish to adopt.
• Sub-stat Distribution Method:
  • The total sub-stat CP is determined randomly during crafting.
  • CP is distributed according to predetermined stat ratios based on the randomly determined options.
  • The final stats are determined by applying a CP conversion formula.
• There are unique appearances that can only be selected through the random appearance selection.
• More than 30 new appearances will be added, revealed for the first time through custom crafting.

Expected Schedule

• September 6: Preview net open testing begins (9c) - Play with the community.
  • Previewnet GUIDE(240902)
• September 13: Collect community feedback and distribute the second build.
• September 23: Final version development completion and QA start.
• September 30: Mainnet release.

Backwards Compatibility

• A new custom equipment crafting action will be added, and all nodes will need to be updated to interpret this action.
• No additional migration is required.

[astral portal]

D:CC ? Will they be useful in crafting new equipment?

[peak quail]

Unfortunately, DCC is designed to be unusable in Custom Craft.

[astral portal]

I spent quite a bit on Fenrir lv 100, I think I'm not the only one who owns them. Now they're going to be turned into trash?

Maybe you should include an expiration date on the items you are about to create.

[peak quail]

Custom Craft is not designed to completely replace Normal Craft; each will have distinct skill sets. Additionally, Normal Craft for enhancement materials will still be needed, ensuring that existing DCC PETs will never become completely useless.

[steel hatch]

Oh, it is already live in preview net . Will check it out now.

Absolutely love that NCIP's are being posted on discord for people to see and give feedback on

HAHHAHAHAA
Nice one

OHHHHHH
More SLOTS!

@woven granite 😮

[peak quail]

Yes, to keep the NCIP from becoming overly complex, I only included the Custom Craft section for now. However, to make the most of this feature, additional functionalities have been added, such as adding crafting slots, batch completion of equipment during crafting, and adding material items during grinding.

[steel hatch]

Ohhhh
It looks like the art of the Surtr armor has also been changed.
This is really nice, More slots, batch completion and materials during grinding just on it's own is a very nice addition.

I also like to see that there's 2 completely RNG items that have quite funny designs (cat and the fish swords, carrot ring and necklace)

[peak quail]

Ah, finally, we’ve separated the list images with faces and the armor icons! Also, as we continue development, there have been more internal suggestions that having more interesting images would be great, so we are preparing to add a wider variety of images as well.

[steel hatch]

This might be due to the fact that only custom crafting of the NCIP is available. Upgrading at the moment does nothing, which might be intentional.
I tried to Upgrade and see if the chain would reject the request, it seems it allowed it. As I got a +0 carrot back and the rest vanished 😛

[peak quail]

Ah, Custom Craft equipment is set with 0 experience points. To upgrade, you must use regular equipment as materials.

[tropic wigeon]

sry @steel hatch how do I get Scrolls + Circles ??

[steel hatch]

Staking.

[tropic wigeon]

thank you yes i had already seen it but i thought i could get it another way. i'll have to wait a couple more days to see how it works

[tropic wigeon]

I opened the advanced boss and saw that it drops there too

thank

[tropic wigeon]

In custom craft the equipment always come out with 4 stars ??

[steel hatch]

From what I have seen, yes

[tropic wigeon]

and the stats are completely random ?

1 star is 100% attack and the others are random

The green coins are won as the number of the cut made, correct ??

[steel hatch]

Stats are a range, it shows it in the percentage chart

[tropic wigeon]

thanks for the explanation and sorry for asking so many questions, it's just to make sure I understand these changes.

[peak quail]

The desired design is for CIRCLE to be collectible by actively engaging with the game's content (Adventure Boss, World Boss, Stages), while SCROLL is intended to be obtainable only through Monster Collection, allowing top stakers to sell it at a lower price. Additionally, since grinding custom equipment returns materials, it is recommended to grind equipment that does not meet satisfactory specs.
However, the feature for CIRCLE to drop from World Bosses is still under development, so some have been added to staking rewards. CIRCLE also drops from stages 250, 300, 350, and 400.

[peak quail]

We are still deliberating on this matter. Based on the experience with existing equipment, we are considering whether, in cases with 100% ATK, it is better to have all three options as ATK split into 40%, 30%, and 30% rather than having a single 100% option.

Since we haven't provided sufficient guidance, please feel free to leave any questions in the thread, and I will do my best to answer them. Please note that a simple tutorial will be included in the mainnet release. Thank you for your understanding.

[astral portal]

Currently matches often end too soon. Equipment with high HP stats is a good choice.

[peak quail]

Yes, so far, we've been somewhat reluctant to improve the Arena due to environmental constraints. However, moving forward, we are actively preparing to create an environment that allows for more strategic and diverse meta approaches, including the upcoming improvements to the World Boss. We encourage you to continue sharing your valuable suggestions with us. Thank you for your continued support!

[delicate cape]

So, question about custom crafting. Would this eventually lead to players being able to add their own images/art so they can have their own custom appearance? That would be cool. Totally understand if that isn't possible.

[peak quail]

Ultimately, we want to develop a system where players can upload their own created images, and if other players pay for those uploads, the original creators can earn revenue from their images. However, we understand that there will be many intermediate steps to reach that point. We aim to work through these steps together with the community and make steady progress toward this goal.

[delicate cape]

Awesome. Although I'm worried people might want to use inappropriate things but maybe it's our right if we are truly decentralized. One other thing about the "relationship" - Sorry, this is just a funny term to use because it makes me think I can date my equipment. 🤣 I assume the spirit of this is to being able to repeatedly temper your equipment and the more you do, there is a chance of extra stats/effects?

[steel hatch]

I believe the relationship is with the crafter/npc

[peak quail]

Yes, as you mentioned, there are many issues to consider when allowing direct image uploads, such as copyright and age ratings. We are currently studying various approaches to benchmark a proper flow for reviewing and approving such uploads.

As for "relationship," it refers to the concept where players provide special materials to a new NPC blacksmith for Custom Craft. By repeatedly crafting with the blacksmith, the relationship between the player and the blacksmith grows. Within this developed relationship, there is a chance to produce better equipment. We recognize that the narrative behind this concept might not have been fully conveyed, which can lead to some subtle misunderstandings, as also observed during internal testing.

[peak quail]

Bingo!

[delicate cape]

well, I guess I always wanted to befriend the blacksmith. 🥰

thanks for your insight

[tropic wigeon]

thanks for clarifying, from what I've seen I see a very interesting prospect for the game regarding the CIRCLEs keeping them only in Adventure Boss might not be a bad thing because it would encourage more people to participate in Adventure Boss.

[tropic wigeon]

Regarding the statistic of 1 star that comes out at 100%, I would suggest that there be an option to choose the state I want at 100% in one of the stars and that the others come out randomly.

[tropic wigeon]

That would be great, I've been thinking about it, but there would have to be a lot of control to prevent abuse.
but I think it's a great idea to be able to create your own personalized weapon.

[tropic wigeon]

@peak quail It won't be possible to have a faucet with materials for the tests ?? 👉 👈

[forest atlas]

@steel hatch throw some of those Scrolls on the testnet market 😛 i hear you're the guyy

[tropic wigeon]

WTB 😋

[tropic wigeon]

Thanks @forest atlas for the tip when changing the staking the timer went from 2 days and 9 h to 1 hour

[woven granite]

I've been away all day so i didn't get to test this out yet, but from this chat it looks great. Super nice new feature

[forest atlas]

edit your staking on the testnet to 1ncg less than it is in order to reset your staking collection to 1hr, if its not ready for collection

[tropic wigeon]

yes this new update is very interesting I think you'll like it too

[turbid iron]

May I ask is custom equipment also level 40? Whether the amount of ncg to be paid for the upgrade is the same.
If the cost of upgrades increases significantly, existing high level equipment may become unusable.

[muted knot]

how to get more NCG in testnet?

[woven granite]

it looks like there's a cost to "level up" you relationship with the blacksmith. 5 ncg and 10 gold dust after you do 5 crafts

[steel hatch]

It's to unlock the new weapons you get when reaching 5 relationship points

Continuing crafting the original items seems to work fine if you don't want to pay for the new set.

[woven granite]

the carrot sword is not a random roll only, might be a bug

btw, how do you all feel about the new item visuals?

i don't think i like it 🙂

[steel hatch]

The new necklance, Dragon Pendant? Looks really out of place, it doesn't follow the normal art style of the game.

I like the carrot/cat ones though.

[woven granite]

we can't post pictures in this chat?

[forest atlas]

not that it's a huge deal (now), but in the dust summoning menu on the testnet, if you go to Emerald dust summoning screen, it shows Gold Dust instead

[woven granite]

the random ones look out of place for me. Cat sword, carrot sword...

At least they are covered by costumes 😛

[forest atlas]

the carrot would make sense too if this was a game based on Bunnies of Norse Mythology

[woven granite]

the new visuals for the rest of the items are pretty cool, just the special random ones are weird

[forest atlas]

the cat sword looks like a dead, stuffed cat, which is weird that a cat would be wielding it 😛

[woven granite]

the staffs are really cool actually, from the swords tab

[steel hatch]

Oh you can't?

Now?

[forest atlas]

yes

[woven granite]

yes

[forest atlas]

(testnet summon screen)

[woven granite]

we are going to have so many new possibile builds with these new items. The spells look very very strong

and the low level custom crafts are very strong compared to anything else on that level

that's a very strong spell

the stats are endgame values but you can wear them 3 worlds earlier

[muted knot]

even in test net I'm super unlucky

[forest atlas]

hmm i cant craft anymore, i even restarted the game

everything gives me the message "you can get this outfit at only random" - which should be re-written as "You can only get this outfit using the Random Craft Option" or something around those lines

and it's greyed out

nothing in my crafting queue

[tropic wigeon]

strange

[tropic wigeon]

my best of luck 🤣

[tribal spruce]

Damn, it's a lot of information, calm down, I'm reading it all 🤣

[woven granite]

don't read. jump on the internal server and plaay 🙂

Test Client Download:

https://planetarium.notion.site/Previewnet-GUIDE-240902-7eb96e8e0631443bb119e0c58cbc2ca7

[tribal spruce]

my poor prem dear stake lv 2 ❤️ I already liked it haha

[tribal spruce]

I loved this ❤️

[woven granite]

i wonder what is this doing

and i think this description is wrong

it's probably 39% not 0.39

same for this one

[peak quail]

For the recent test, we wanted to gather feedback on the balance, so we didn't supply enough materials initially. However, to better manage the enthusiasm at the beginning, we've decided to check the balance of resources toward the end and made the following adjustments:

Staking: Modified to obtain 1 material per 1 deposit.
Stages: Adjusted to acquire 10 pieces of both types of materials from stages 250, 300, 350, and 400.
Unfortunately, setting up a faucet is taking some time, so we made these changes instead. Please note that aside from the materials obtained through staking, all other materials are currently non-tradeable. With this in mind, we would appreciate it if the top stakers could register these materials in the shop. Thank you for your cooperation!

We are currently reviewing the skill and CP balance, and we are aware that there are some abnormalities in how they are displayed. We are in the process of fixing these issues.

For reference, it wasn't a bug that the "carrot" isn't random. We wanted to see how players would engage with crafting when some of the unique outfits are set to be non-random. This was done intentionally to gather insights.

[peak quail]

Please send me your account address via DM, and I will check its status for you.

[peak quail]

The rewards have become more than 10 times richer compared to the screenshot you are currently viewing. Enjoy crafting!

[tribal spruce]

I'm the same here too, were you able to fix it?

[forest atlas]

nope

thinking about maybe reinstalling the file?

i was just bitching to wabbs about it, lol

[tribal spruce]

and I'll reinstall it to see if it solves it hahaha

[peak quail]

Hmm, it could be an issue with the cost required to pass that particular relationship. I will review the related data and make the necessary adjustments.

[forest atlas]

every item is acting as if im selecting the random (?) option

im stuck at level 2:

[tribal spruce]

I reinstalled it, deleted all the files and I'm back to normal, it seems

hold my critic carrot haha ​​very good

[forest atlas]

hmm which files did you delete?

i just tried a reinstall and it didnt work

[tribal spruce]

I went to the appdata folder

run from windows after appdata

[forest atlas]

fair enough, i just installed it in a new folder on the desktop and it works

[tribal spruce]

very good now and just test everything hahaha

[forest atlas]

right 😛

[tribal spruce]

I'm excited about this, I think it's really cool, my brother

[forest atlas]

now i just need someone to unlock the adv boss so i can farm some gold dust

in the previewnet 😛

[tribal spruce]

I'm in heimdall, they haven't opened yet hahaha

[forest atlas]

i messed around with my staking too much and dropped out of lvl 3 lol

[delicate cape]

We need litter box scooper as a weapon skin

[tribal spruce]

I will need 1mm of hourglasses asuahushaushauhsuas

I want to do everything haha

🤣

Our dear whales could provide cheap hourglasses for us to buy please🙏

[woven granite]

i'll post some 10k batches for a few ncg

[tribal spruce]

thanksss

[woven granite]

go get some

[tribal spruce]

heimdall?

[woven granite]

ah, shit, no, odin :))

wait, i;ll post some there too

[tribal spruce]

🤣

[woven granite]

done 🙂

[forest atlas]

ok, now odin previewnet adv boss 😛

[woven granite]

it's on

[forest atlas]

hmm weird

[forest atlas]

oh im on a different version

[woven granite]

hmm, i restarted but it didn't update

doing it manual now, let's see

[forest atlas]

i installed a fresh previewnet in a folder on the desktop and it fixed my old issues and maybe installed the new version

[woven granite]

same version after manual update, now that's weird

[tribal spruce]

I think I'll remove the dust cost to test us

I didn't want to say anything, I was embarrassed, I think this version discrepancy didn't show the hourglasses in the market.

kkkkkkkkk

[woven granite]

hmm, i'll try a clear install but not now, going to sleep

[tribal spruce]

Good rest my brother

[forest atlas]

new stats?

[sturdy holly]

https://tenor.com/view/blackcat-gif-8560392459073397502

[sturdy holly]

i collect staking rewards, and did adventure boss, and tried clear stages, didnt manage to get any Scroll or Circle

[tribal spruce]

stage 400 4 repetition only

[tribal spruce]

Try reinstalling, here it went wrong, I reinstalled it and it's fine

[thick chasm]

finally friendship 50

100 is next but looks like i am out of scrolls but mats i still have some

[sturdy holly]

did twice

[thick chasm]

when restaking do you get 1 hour timer and the staking table shows the mats?

[sturdy holly]

i used this

[sturdy holly]

what?

[thick chasm]

wait lemme find

you need to edit stake, if that does not work its most likely the pc, i had to move to 2 pc when the mats were not appearing

i changed pc instead of figuring out what was wrong

[sturdy holly]

the idea that i am stuck in 230.0.0, while the latest is 230.0.0.3

i tried to do manual install too

[thick chasm]

i got mine here

https://planetarium.notion.site/Previewnet-GUIDE-240902-7eb96e8e0631443bb119e0c58cbc2ca7

[sturdy holly]

this is different version, thanks

[thick chasm]

i must admit, this spells and combination of stats on items are very fun for me

i get to make builds, thou i have to just imagine i have the 500 friendship items cause i can't bring friendship 50 items to stage 380+

and its also not good going to stage 300 or lower being a level 390

can you just unlock friendship 500 for everyone?

[woven granite]

this look like the correct version, thanks

i was playing on the internal server, not the previewnet 🙂

[tropic wigeon]

Sacred items have the same level requirement as Legend items to start being used my suggestion I think Sacred's items should have a minimum requirement of level 350

[tropic wigeon]

I would like to suggest this change of level

[woven granite]

It makes sense

Those items would probably be very overpowered for that level

[forest atlas]

whats the current previewnet version #? want to make sure im in the right place with everyone

[tribal spruce]

It's hard to reach 50 haha

an ncg faucet would go well

[forest atlas]

i had to pull my previewnet staking to get ncg 😦

im on the -out of 500- level

with no hourglasses or ncg it aint happening

[tribal spruce]

Our truth, I'm going to take my humble stake lv 2 already 500 ncg so I can do more things

[tribal spruce]

What level is dating with NPC? I'm going to have a love affair with him ctz 🤣

[forest atlas]

like 150/500 crafts (maybe, i think im like 130/150 lol)

[muted spindle]

Just got the chance to test things out! Really happy that this NCIP was communicated early and we get the chance to provide feedback

Big win

I love this feature

Is this intended? :p

[tropic wigeon]

I agree with you, being able to test and give your opinion to help with development is very good.

[tropic wigeon]

if it is, we'll go back to the previous values if I'm not mistaken

[steel hatch]

If you are on Odin, you can get essentially free Scrolls and Circles from the market.

Or at least that was my intention.
But looks like the NCG value is sooooo low that I can't post it.

I can only seel 1 scroll/circle at a time and the minimum price I can set is 1NCG

[tropic wigeon]

at odim I've already put it on sale for 1 ncg but I forgot to put it on Heimdall. I'll put the ones I have for sale there too

[steel hatch]

Right, so it seems the issue is client sided. I must have an older version

[tropic wigeon]

are you using Nine Chronicles Internal or Nine Chronicles Preview?
I downloaded Nine Chronicles Preview it from this link at the beginning of the topic
https://planetarium.notion.site/Previewnet-GUIDE-240902-7eb96e8e0631443bb119e0c58cbc2ca7

[steel hatch]

AFAIK Internal/Preview is the same.

I'm using the exact installation form the last "preview" feature we had for Adventure boss. It auto-updated it.

I'll just re-install

[tropic wigeon]

I think they are different because the node is also different.

and when I installed it, it made a new installation with a new directory

[steel hatch]

The nodes might be different, yeah. But the internal node accepted everything just fine. The differences must be very minor

[woven granite]

looks like this time the internal and the preview are not on the same chain. I was playing on hte internal and the rest could not see my market, adventure boss etc. And when i switched to the previewnet version my progress on the internal version was not there.

[forest atlas]

right now this screen disappears if you click anywhere on the screen, can it be fixed so the message disappears only after selecting the "OK" ?

[forest atlas]

idea for previewnet: add the items required to test out new features in the Patrol reward and set it to a quicker timer. this one could be Scrolls, Circles, Hourglasses, Crystals and NCG

[gold and red dust could easily be acquired during the adv boss events, which are other required currencies]

[sturdy holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars-haha-money-gif-16679435

[tribal spruce]

I just hope all of this is affordable.

an affordable price

And whoever has already finished the game should have some affinity levels with NPCs already released, that would be fair, because after all we spent a lot to reach 400 and close the game

[steel hatch]

This would make this new feature dead on release. -- on that idea.

[tribal spruce]

As it's going to make all the teams I've made on char dead too, I think there has to be a balance

It's not fair that I spent all my money so far to get a decent cp and a decent rank to come and destroy everything I've done

because my teams that I made with so much sacrifice will become useless

the dissatisfaction will not be mine alone, I guarantee it

Updates and new resources have to come to add and not destroy what you have already built at great cost

[steel hatch]

No it won't. Jaeho already said at the start of this thread that they are making it so old gear isn't useless.

[tribal spruce]

I loved the new feature but my reservations are this fear

[tribal spruce]

take my brother ❤️

I need to express this opinion otherwise I wouldn't be at peace haha, I always support the game regardless of anything, as I had this fear it could be the fear of many too

[steel hatch]

One things that's very big is that, to acquire these circles and stuff won't be easy.

It's staking or doing some content right. So even if these equips will be "stronger". You will still need to beat said content to earn them.

As long they make it that you need really good old gear to get these circles/scrolls to then upgrade to these new items. It would work.

[tribal spruce]

yes yes, and so the current teams will also serve as food to upgrade new equipment, faith that it will work 🙏

[woven granite]

We are playing with previewnet numbers. In the live version i'm sure it will be way more expensive so it will be hard to get to the really good crafts fast

[tribal spruce]

the good ones for us and above 101

[woven granite]

So it will take a while to replace the current gear with new ones

I am also not sure i am going to want so many spells

In theory a player can now cast 11 spells (6 gear, grimoire, aura, 3 runes) before he does 1 single attack - and during that time some spells already expire 😛

[tribal spruce]

There are a lot of spells, a lot of variety, it will be very difficult to make a perfect item.

[tribal spruce]

not to mention that it could be a blow taking away life, instead of placing spells like you said, some end soon

[woven granite]

i would find in interesting to get the option of crafting a custom item with no spell but higher stats. and for it to have a different cost

[tribal spruce]

pvp the opponent is throwing spells and I beat him up when he starts to really attack his health is already very low

and we won't have armor and belts? Or will you deliver it in the 2nd compilation?

[woven granite]

i don't know 🙂

[peak quail]

To be honest, the intention behind creating this system is to make it a key part of the end-game content. However, we want to ensure that this process neither happens too cheaply nor too quickly.

We will continuously review and adjust the balance between material acquisition and the chances of obtaining satisfactory crafted equipment. At the same time, we aim to separate the use cases of different skills, ensuring that existing world equipment doesn't become completely obsolete. Thank you for all your valuable feedback.

[peak quail]

Currently, SPELLs have about 1/6th the impact on the order of usage compared to regular attacks. However, we recognize that using SPELLs can still be burdensome, which is why we're considering the idea of crafting equipment without SPELLs attached. However, doing so could make it even more challenging to meet the tough conditions where a specific SPELL, good CP, and satisfactory options all align perfectly. We are carefully considering this and will make a well-thought-out decision. Thank you for your input.

[peak quail]

We are still contemplating the release of armor and belts. While we might reveal them at some point in the future, it probably won't happen very soon.

[astral portal]

Instead of developing features that improve gameplay or entertainment. You constantly create new equipment that makes old equipment obsolete. Constantly changing equipment as a burden for all players, forcing them to continuously pay to continue playing is just an extreme solution to maintain the ecosystem.

=> Existing equipment should be used as raw materials to craft new equipment. Minimum and maximum stats or skill crafting rates should be determined by input materials (normal crafting equipment).

In the past, players spent a lot of money to buy equipment with maximum stats. After each new equipment appeared, it became worthless. This made them reluctant to buy. Recently, buyers only buy equipment at the minimum price and rarely care about the quality, because they know they are just renting equipment.

[tropic wigeon]

The big problem is not the spell, but the way it comes into play and how it is activated in combat.
I think that equipment that has a spell should be considered a mythical item and not just another item that ends up being useless against an item that doesn't have a spell.
What causes this is the fact that spells activate when you enter combat.

What happens now is that, when you enter combat, you spend 11 turns activating a spell and then you attack.

In my opinion, the turn in which the spell is activated should also include an attack or introduce a damage percentage for the spell when it is activated.

[misty vale]

💯☝️ @peak quail

We spent a lot of money to build a powerful equipment set and now none of it matters. I really don't know what kind of deception we are in

[muted spindle]

I agree that this is an issue that has been around in the game for a long time.

In my opinion the solution to this is would be to have meaningful rewards throughout the duration of a "new item set launch" so that if with the next updates your items inevitably get obsolete the players will know that with correct decision making and a bit of luck, their effort can be compensated.

Example:

• New world update creates new items
• Arena/WB/AB NCG rewards are considerably higher during early period of new item launch
• People are incentivized to use NCG to rank higher in competitive game modes and earn higher (ideally not in a deterministic way)
• Some players profit, others suffer losses
• Repeat from step 1

It is difficult to design a system where you put effort (time+NCG) once, then you can just stop playing the game and if you return 1 year later, your items will retain the same amount of value

There has to be a form of "natural" deprecation in the value of items over time since this is a live service game with an active economy ecosystem

I think that the team has been doing steps towards the right direction lately, we just really lack a good incentive to push our items and invest into our characters as much as possible

(Also, really happy with how everyone has been giving feedback and discussiong about the ecosystem. This is exactly what we need to improve!)

[steel hatch]

Considering how long it takes to get new features/new worlds. The items in question have long had their use. This issue is exaggerated somewhat. W7 -> W8 was a year gap where the same equipment was used it was extremely boring, 6-7months in you are done with the whole world 7.

The new gear is normally so strong that it makes the previous gearset immediately obsolete. This was also not the case with world 8 gear. Certain items from W7 were actually still better than W8 items until you had enough fodder to make the w8 item +15 or higher. (especially belts/necklace's). So by this we can already see that the devs already made changes when designing/implementing w8 so that previous world items don't immediately fall of the cliff., which is good. Not to mention the changes to the upgrading system. W8 made upgrading and it's costs significantly more bearable. So I'd say we are moving into the right direction.

Release dates for worlds as a reference:
New content/gear is required to make the game feel alive and fresh.

World 8 was released: 2024-03-27 11:00 AM KST
World 7 was released: 2023-03-06 11:00 AM KST.
World 6 was released: 2022-08-23 10:3 AM KST.

[astral portal]

The fact that the w7 device is still usable is an accident. They never planned for this.
I hope everyone can be as optimistic as you.

[steel hatch]

A certain level of optimism is required otherwise it is impossible to have an open minded discussion.
I think what we got going here is good 👍

[woven granite]

I feel like the changes in the upgrading system helped a lot to keep some value to the old items, and that was 100% intentional. On the old worlds release, all the top gear became instantly useless because the new items were better from +0 and the old ones had no use anymore. So that's a good direction in my mind

The problem is that the top players of Heimdal went too far with their upgrades, way outside of what the game requires. We had players finish stage 400 with under 20m cp (after the nerfs, that's true), and those kind of upgrade levels can be covered by the game rewards

[steel hatch]

There was also the crystal event glitch, where some people got A LOT of crystals and essentially then used said crystals to craft many many many foder items without effort. Which is like half of that market that upgraded "too far".

[woven granite]

interesting option

you give up a ton of atk for speed

[tribal spruce]

It will make the game more dynamic, with more construction setup options

[woven granite]

it's quite hard to get a good combination of stats and spells.

and a decent roll

[woven granite]

i think that all the new items are too strong right now. This necklace is too almost as good as my current one at +0

it's a 1% top roll from the 100-500 relationship tier, but still.. too strong. amazing spell too

[tropic wigeon]

some equipment 500-1500 to give an idea

[peak quail]

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the balance. As you might have expected, the current situation largely stems from a mismatch of information due to overlapping test environments. For instance, the first "relationship" range, currently set from 1 to 5, will be adjusted to 1 to 50 in the mainnet balance. Similarly, what is currently set to 100 will be adjusted to around 1000 or 5000, aiming for a more future-oriented balance. Because of this, it is currently challenging to determine whether the strength levels are too high, appropriate, or too low.

I plan to consolidate these issues and those you've mentioned on Notion and provide additional information around Friday. Thank you for your patience.

[uncut sun]

Gostaria de jogar

Esse jogo não tem pra Android não?

[peak quail]

An update is scheduled to be deployed for the parts developed over the past week, and the game may not be playable on the existing client. Please wait a moment, and we will provide the updated client and details about the update. Thank you for your patience.

[peak quail]

Yes, unfortunately, the previewnet version is currently not available for mobile. If you could wait just two more weeks, it will be released on the mainnet. We appreciate your patience. For the next version, when conducting previewnet testing, we will check if we can include a mobile version as well.

[peak quail]

Version 230.0.0.6 has been updated.
Here are the new additions compared to last week's version:

Launcher

Added "pre" text to the previewnet version launcher icon for easier differentiation.

Player

Added Circle as a reward for World Boss Grades.
Added a popup to notify players of the changes in Custom Craft level ranges.
Adjusted to allow trading of Scrolls and Circles obtained from grinding custom equipment.
UI polishing.
Bug Fixes

Fixed a bug where custom equipment would appear as read in the mailbox.
Adjusted to allow trading of Scrolls and Circles obtained from grinding custom equipment.
Data Changes

Added 4 new sword images.
Removed Circle from Monster Collection rewards.
Added Circle to World Boss rewards.
Changed the crafting costs and material quantities obtained during grinding according to the relationship level range.
Related explanations will be added to the community feed. Thank you!

[tropic wigeon]

I'll test it, but removing the Circle from the Monster Collection rewards is going to change a lot. Only a few people will be able to get the items at the start, which will prevent a rush for the new equipment. However, very few people will complete it quickly. This has its advantages for big players (whales), but it also has its downsides in general. I'm not sure if there should be another form of balance.

Still, in my opinion, it's a good adjustment, and I look forward to seeing more opinions.

The email seems to be working fine, and I really liked the new animation. The new weapons are very funny, but the name of the four new weapons is bugged, both in the creation panel and at the end of the creation process.

There's a bug in the Grind with some materials.

[tropic wigeon]

Skill name and item name

[peak quail]

https://planetarium.notion.site/New-crafting-previewnet-feedback-5320d7457b1d476cac7ea811c7502015

New crafting previewnet feedback

Overall Cost Considerations

• The balance adjustments for testing are different from what is intended for the final implementation:

  • Extra Crafting Slots
  • Staking Reward and Interval
  • Custom Craft Equipment Level Requirements

• The crafting materials for custom equipment are planned to follow these guidelines:

  • Scroll:
    • Can be obtained from Monster Collection rewards and grinding.
    • Top staker players will have limited opportunities to acquire Circle materials, resulting in excess quantities of Scrolls. They can sell these in the shop to obtain Circle materials from other players.
  • Circle:
    • Can be obtained from World Bosses, Adventure Bosses, stage drops, and grinding.
    • Primarily obtainable by players who actively participate in content. Although the amount obtained will vary based on content proficiency, the difference compared to Scrolls is expected to be minimal.
    • Players not aiming for direct crafting can sell materials in the shop to purchase Scrolls, other materials, or finished equipment.

Items Visuals

• Practicing to accommodate various styles as basic options for modding.
• Continuously monitoring and adjusting the value of existing style equipment and new style equipment, with plans to add more.
• A feature that allows players to see the appearance of custom equipment even when wearing a full costume is also in development.

Balance of Custom Equipment

• Various checks are being conducted on new spells, the CP of equipment, the grade and level restriction values of equipment, and other parameters. We are considering your suggestions to find the appropriate balance.
• We are also considering options to craft equipment without spells, and we are preparing features that will allow players to quickly find such equipment in the shop.
  • Initially, all custom equipment will have "Custom" in their name upon release, so you can filter and access them accordingly.
• All these balances are being checked under the following guidelines:
  • The update scheduled for next year, which includes the 9th World, will mark the end of the regular content. Afterward, the direction of World content is still being explored.
  • Ultimately, after a significant amount of time, Custom Craft is expected to become the final form of the equipment crafting experience.
    • However, due to the increasing cost of crafting at the final stage, it is expected that high-tier items will not be easily available to all users.
  • Existing World equipment (especially those from World 9, scheduled for release next year) will have unique features, such as exclusive skills, and will be designed to have their own utility compared to Custom Craft equipment.
    • This aspect will also be refined through discussions and feedback from the previewnet.

Previewnet Testing Environment

• We are exploring ways to make it easier to obtain resources necessary for testing, including patrol rewards.
  • Other resources can be somewhat managed, but NCG is particularly challenging.
• We are committed to continuously improving in this area so that more players can experience and provide feedback. Thank you for your support!

Originally, I wanted to discuss more detailed numbers to gather feedback, but unfortunately, ongoing development issues have made that difficult. For now, I've put together an overview to share the direction we're heading in. I'll work on providing more organized figures by next week so we can have a more in-depth discussion about the direction outlined above. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

[peak quail]

I will check this case as well. The language aspect still has a lot of gaps that need to be addressed.

[tropic wigeon]

Thank you for the detailed explanation. The approach to materials and equipment balancing looks great. I appreciate the effort to make crafting more accessible and the transparency about the changes. Looking forward to seeing how this evolves. Thanks for your hard work!

[tropic wigeon]

@peak quail Sorry, this question is just out of curiosity. Is this the path you intend to take with the Nine Chronicles in the future

https://blog.roninchain.com/p/introducing-ronin-community-collections

[peak quail]

I’ll check it out since I haven't reviewed that content yet. Just from the title, it seems like it might be heading in a similar direction. I'll get back to you after looking into it.

[forest atlas]

can the Equipment Evaluation be added to the regular crafting menu as well?

[peak quail]

Yes, unfortunately, regular equipment has a different structure compared to custom equipment, so if there are options that provide the same stat, the highest value is determined based on the sum of those options.

[sturdy holly]

he mean something like this

[peak quail]

We have released the custom equipment that you all provided feedback on. The unlock stage for custom equipment has been raised to 301, and the balance for equipment and skills has been adjusted to more stable values compared to the previewnet, with plans to refine it further over time. We appreciate your continued interest and feedback. Thank you.

[forest atlas]

Remove Equipment Evaluation screens from quest items (crystal event)

[granite totem]

are custom craft gears going to roll out with a new upgrade system next game update?

[tribal spruce]

the system already exists, I don't think so

[granite totem]

did you check the system? upgrades at level + 1,2,3 don't do any stat improvements

[tribal spruce]

I haven't crafted any custon yet, nor have I upgraded to +1, +2 etc.

[tribal spruce]

are you sure?

[granite totem]

i'm 1000% sure. there is only some stats increments at level 4. will have to see if level 5 and 4 make a difference. either way, at +1, 2, 3 there is no change

+4 has increments, +5 and +6 there is no change. +7 has increments

[astral portal]

It is like w12345 equipment, this is normal

[granite totem]

will player NineChronicles pay any more bounties to adventure boss seasons?

[peak quail]

We have addressed bugs and balance adjustments related to custom equipment in today’s previewnet announcement. We apologize for not fully understanding and misinterpreting the valuable feedback you provided during previous tests, which led to incorrect conclusions. Moving forward, we will ensure more thorough reviews and checks. Thank you for your understanding.

[steel hatch]

@peak quail thanks for this.
May I suggest something, as previewnet will have going forward similar balancing values. In case of equipments that are limited by weekly lockouts. For example custom crafting the rely on staking for one of the crafts. It might be beneficial to provide a bulk of items to players so they can test the whole system instead of just the first few crafts. For example, the issue where higher level relationship crafts were weaker than lower level relationship crafts, may have been spotted in the last previewnet if had more scrolls to allow us to reach higher relationship levels before previewnet finished.

[peak quail]

Yes, taking that into account, we will set up additional testing environments to better facilitate feedback on new content and balance adjustments. We will ensure that these testing mechanisms do not disrupt the intended balance experience. Thank you.

[tropic wigeon]

yes I share the same opinion

[peak quail]

Yes, I sincerely apologize once again for previously responding to similar feedback with just a note to consider it for future updates, due to being rushed at the time. Thank you for your understanding, and I’ll strive to improve our response and implementation process.

[tropic wigeon]

I completely understand, and there’s no need to apologize! I know your work is intense and full of challenges, and I really appreciate seeing how committed you are to continuous improvement. It’s great to feel that the community is being heard and that you’re dedicated to the growth of the project. Thank you for your time and attention—it truly makes a difference! Keep up the great work. 😊

[tribal spruce]

nerfing the reduction collar has practically rendered it useless, no matter how many hits I have the maximum will always be 30% reduction, I believe it will only favor lower hits and very little yet

expect a nerf of course, but don't make it practically useless

I hope that it can still be adjusted, otherwise my necklace will be melted down.

[tribal spruce]

❤️

apart from the fact that I found the necklace nerf a bit too heavy, I loved everything else ❤️ but still testing 🤣

[astral portal]

The effect of that necklace should be calculated in points, not in %. That would work as described. If the equipment can be easily edited like that, it is confusing why you still let the "thor" skill exist. Not only that, you also add many similar "thor" skills. This skill can make the player can be defeated even though he is 50m cp higher than the opponent. This makes the new equipment less attractive, you will have to spend a lot of money to increase the win rate from 98% to 99%.

[woven granite]

do you mean thorns?

like this chest?

[astral portal]

Yes

[woven granite]

that item has some crazy damage in some builds indeed

but for most players is not better than using other chests so i'm not exactly sure what should be done about it

[astral portal]

Changing it affects a lot of players. However, I would happily use it if they don't want to modify it. Anyway, using an item that can save a few years of not having to upgrade the item is also a good thing.

[tribal spruce]

If you want to get to a really good level, for example with this armor, you'll have to spend a lot, or you'll have to make a lot of other things if you don't want to spend a lot, which won't make it as effective.

thorn really is the greatest damage in the game if you build it well, but it's also very expensive.

[astral portal]

Golden Leaf Rune not being able to reduce damage from Thorn and Bleed is a bug. This bug indirectly makes Thorn and Bleed abnormally strong.
The bug fix will probably have less impact than the item fix.