#[221016] Proposal for Arena Grand Finale

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zenith halo
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🔶 Abstract
This document contains a proposal for the Arena Grand Finale, the ultimate event of the Nine Chronicles annual arena cycle. The proposal suggests different ways of executing 7 days long Arena Grand Finale itself, the distribution of 100K NCG among the rankers of the event, and converting previously accumulated medals with event items. After gathering opinions from the greater Nine Chronicles community, details for the Grand Final will be settled and executed as mentioned in the proposal. Therefore, please read the sections below and freely provide your suggestions and thoughts.

Leave your comments by Tuesday, October 18th, 2022

✅ Make two choices (1 for the battle and 1 for the reward) - Leave Comments
✅ There could be 4 choices
1️⃣ Battle A, Reward A
2️⃣ Battle A, Reward B
3️⃣ Battle B, Reward A
4️⃣ Battle B, Reward B
✅ Please share your thoughts and ideas on any of the contents that are mentioned below

🔶 Motivation
As the ultimate stage of all Arena seasons, The Grand Finale will motivate players to push themselves to the limit and constantly challenge themselves. Also, the Grand Finale will celebrate and honor players who have already proven themselves. Moreover, this proposal, through detailed game design, intends the Grand Finale to be enjoyable and exciting for all players.

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🔶 Grand Finale Specifications
The Grand Finale is planned to be held around mid-late December. The battles will be streamed live by our dear YOHO, on Twitch.

[ Number of Participants ]

  • Total of 16 players: Top 8 players from Championship 1 & Top 8 Players from Championship 2
    (Players will not overlap)

[ Battle Plans ]

🅰️ Battle Plan A: 15 Tickets(Battles) per player during the Grand Finale

  • Able to use only one ticket per opponent
  • A player will fight against once with every other participant
  • Scoring: Win(+20 Points), Lose(+1 Point)
  • When the ratings are the same, the player will be ranked the same

OR

🅱️ Battle Plan B: 4 Tournament Leagues over 8 days, each league will be 2 days long

  • Able to use 3 tickets per league
  • Scoring: Win(+20 Points), Lose(+1 Point)
  • When the ratings are the same, the player with a higher CP will rank higher

[ Reward Plans ]

🅰️ Reward Plan A

  • 61,000 NCG: 1st: 10,000 NCG / 2nd-16th: 4,800~2,000 NCG
  • Title: Will include the chracter name of the 1st place player & Given to all the participants of the Grand Finale
  • NFT: NFT including the 1st place player info (Not D:CC PFP)

OR

🅱️ Reward Plan B

  • 30,500 NCG: 1st: 5,000 NCG / 2nd-16th: 2,400~1,000 NCG
  • Title: Will include character names of 1st-3rd place player & Given to all the participants of Championship 1 & 2
  • NFT: NFT including the 1st place player info (Not D:CC PFP)

[ Other Events ]

  • Special Event Recipes will be open during the Grand Finale
    • Medals from Seasons 1-8 > Hourglass (Non-Tradable)
    • Medals from Championship 1,2 > AP Potion (Non-Tradable)
  • Guess the winner of the Grand Finale
    • Submit who you think will be the 1st place in the Grand Finale
    • Random 100 players with a right guess will receive 100 NCG
Nine Chronicles
[221016] Proposal for Arena Grand Finale

[ Abstract ] This document contains a proposal for the Arena Grand Finale, the ultimate event of the Nine Chronicles annual arena cycle. The proposal suggests different ways of executing 7 days long Arena Grand Finale itself, the distribution of 100K NCG among the rankers of the event, and converting previously accumulated medals with event ite...

inner inlet
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Good

boreal basin
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Battle A, Reward A Catcolyte

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I wish good luck to all and hope to see good battles

nocturne rapids
rustic linden
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Battle A, Reward A

wild fulcrum
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BATTLE A, REWARD A

The problem that makes battle B terrible is that everyone will get the 3 wins so the results are simply the participants ordered by CP, which is not even a good measure of character strength, so it would be horrible and predictable. Battle A instead makes the real fighting character strength the protagonist of the final rankings and the whole event is unpredictable, so it is infinitely better. I still see a problem with battle A as in the forced matches, I think takes away a lot of strategy which is also an issue with battle B, so A is the only option but it could have been much better imho.

The problem with rewards B is that it feels like the protagonists of the grand finale are not the focus of the rewards and removes the participants' motivation to actually put effort in the finale itself, also it gives an item which will be way less valuable [ 1000+ of them instead of 16 in reward A ] in what is the most important PVP event of the year! At that point it will give ncg rewards similar to any championship and a special item which is not special since there's a thousand of them, basically nothing which is really good and representative of the caliber of the event, so it's terrible.

wild fulcrum
charred summit
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Battle Plan A, Reward Plan B (look forward to some random valuable prizes for the lucky ones. This makes the low CP players happier because they have a goal to make it to the end of the final season

daring ether
verbal wave
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Battle A, Reward A

left parcel
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It's the year-end summaries that only have the top 16 players. This is really not good at all. Will it be for the top 100 players to be able to touch the quarterly rank seasons?

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As an annual event end bonus. I don't deny that the contribution of the top 20 players is huge. But the rest don't think we who are outside the top 20 don't contribute much to the long-term development of the game. Expand enough for 100 participants and the reward for those behind will be reduced from the top 16 mark. This will help the community to be more motivated and active. One thing is for sure, the game wouldn't get any growth if only 16 players impacted the game so far. Let's take a look at what's true of the top 100 player community and beyond for our game

tropic quartz
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It is recommended to increase the number of people appropriately

foggy kestrel
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The reward does not need to be too much, just a reasonable number of participants and can be ingame gifts such as skins, ap ...

grizzled obsidian
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Distinguish the bad head.
I'm not top 16 but I've invested in the Game how much money already!

tender sluice
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This is the annual ultimate tournament, there is a championship game in front, the reward is enough, the annual ultimate tournament should be less people, more rewards, 16 people is enough, there is no need to get too many people

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If there are more people, the reward is less, there is no point, originally this reward is not much

loud widget
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I agree with this proposal , the reward is for investors to enter the top 8 , it is worth it , the time should be shortened . I see time in Plan A for Battle

tender sluice
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The annual ultimate tournament should reward more, less people, or even give NFT or skin, that can be more motivated
The finals of all the tournaments, are very few people can participate

vapid hull
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Those people who can have a chance to enter top 16 will choose A.Others will choose B.So clear

naive hatch
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battle 16 players. I'm interested? Of course not. I'm unlikely to get there. And who will win, yes two options

tender sluice
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If the reward is too little, the final is meaningless

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My friends, they saw the award of the final and thought it was good. They all planned to rush in the championship. If the award was too small, I think they would give up

left parcel
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Well I actually see quite a few people defending this as untrue. The top players will almost always be at the top at both the 12 monthly rankings and the quarterly big rankings. So what will the year-end final prize be? Pump more G for the top 16?. The meaning here is to create an annual anniversary playground? Each month, on average, more than 2000 people participate in ranked games. Then the year-end final with the top 100 players it was only for 5% of the players. With only 16 players it's only 0.8% of players getting this honor. It's crazy, good for the top, isn't it. How will this affect the psychology of the rest of the player community....It's absurd

foggy kestrel
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if it's only 16 people (8 seasons 1 and 8 seasons 2 big rank), then we should calculate the total score of 2 big rank seasons and choose 16 people with the highest total score

sudden ridge
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Battle A ; Reward B

coral sphinx
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From those options I pick A and A.
But I can't say any is perfect so I will try to give some feedback and extra ideas.

What I like about Battle A is that it is the most fair arena plan we ever had. Everyone fights all the other players once and the one with the most points wins. It still has a randomness to it, but it's better than fighting late and avoiding hard battles all the time for sure. I also think that the whole event can be automatically generated and streamed since there's no choice or planning for the players to do.

Battle Option B is not bad but it's less fair since we might get the best 4 players in one league and some would be eliminated early, so it's way more luck dependent compared to A.

I personally don't like the idea of having the titles named after the winner. I think it makes them less desirable since I don't think anyone is wishing to equip someone's  else's name on their character. So I would rather give them some nice, generic, epic names instead :). And maybe have the champion's name in the description.  And give them some nice stats 😛

I also think that a more inclusive event would be better. How about having more leagues of 16 players to fight under those rules but for less and less NCG?

solar jetty
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Do a more inclusive Tournament, 16 people is too few subjects to desire competition. I'd like not only to see, but participate as well.

Top 100 Players, or 128 Players (like usual Tournaments brackets)

The most 128 active and competitive Players is a good engaging Event, lots of folks and habitual names around here. I'd like to compete with our colleagues and see the Top 10 do their fierces battles.

tender sluice
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Only a few people participate in the final of any competition, and they are all qualified from the competition. This is the final, not an ordinary competition. The people who can participate are all from the championship. If there are many people, what is the difference between the championship and the final

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There should be fewer people in the finals. They should compete for qualification, which should be different from other events

solar jetty
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We have different opinions

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Fewer entries doesn't mean only 10

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It means limited entries and still possible to real players to have fun

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Championships can have 1k players or whatever, not limited in number

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The Final one can be limited, but not excluding everyone. 128 is an ok number. Top 100 or whatever

solar jetty
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Wabbs' opinion is similar. Different brackets of 16 people, but still, MORE THAN ONLY 16.

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Imagine 5 brackets of 16 people, putting less NCG in each bracket.

5x16 = 80 people. A fine number.

Bracket S = Top 1-16
Bracket A = Top 17-32
Bracket B
Bracket C
Bracket D

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A real event MUST engage real and active players. A number inside Top 100 or a reasonable number will do that

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Competition is not about to earn money. Is about the community, and have fun, and dispute and make memes

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We are here for the sake of the game and our community

foggy kestrel
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give it to 100 participants and ncg rewards can be given to all top 16, the rest will get celebratory gifts like trophies or in-game items, we want to join for the prize position without monetary rewards, top 100 players in 2 big ranked seasons (50 players for big 1, 50 people for big 2)

distant comet
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Battle B, Reward B

autumn monolith
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Reward A but with include Charnames from 1-3.

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Battle A

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MY Dream is like this:
64 Player Tourement
8 Groups
Best 2 of each Groupe will be in KO System Final.
NCG only for TOP 16 Players.

coral sphinx
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I like this but it think that everyone deserves some NCG

pure zealot
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Battle A, 1st nft, ncg for as many people as possible, (Can I participate in the finals? 😦 )

daring ether
autumn monolith
nocturne rapids
nocturne rapids
wild fulcrum
wild fulcrum
wild fulcrum
wild fulcrum
wild fulcrum
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who came up with this terrible ideas for the most important pvp event ever?

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I can't honestly defend any part of it from how we should battle, to how many of us can play, to the useless rewards, this to me is a disaster

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honestly I thought it would have been a normal arena round like a champs but with less people, that with a buying ticket fix is already far superior to what is being planned here

wild fulcrum
wild fulcrum
# pure zealot Battle A, 1st nft, ncg for as many people as possible, (Can I participate in the...

you need to finish top 10 in the championship 2 if the current proposals can't be changed, but keep in mind that you could have already qualified if you put effort in pvp, which I saw you didn't, people were setting alarms and losing sleep and you were lazy and skipping rounds and sessions, you didn't qualify in champ 1 even with the strongest character because you didn't put in the effort, for which I think you deserve to be out of the top, you were good at pve and spending but didn't play well so you get what you get : P

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I hope they will change

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people saying @pure zealot has their vote when he's not even trying to play well, to me is absurd haha

pure zealot
vapid hull
solar jetty
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At the very least, we, players, need to do all tickets to be successful in arena

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Though the last min thing is what it is poor designed

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And again, repeating myself

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PLEASE MORE THAN JUST 16 PLAYERS.

PUT TOP 100, OR FIVE BRACKETS OF 16 PEOPLE, etc

pure zealot
boreal basin
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I think the question is more because they are only putting 16 into a final and there is not much choice in that aspect

pure zealot
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In the championship, I tried sending a block, turning off the client, turning the client on again and sending the block. I repeated this but couldn't rank up and gave up. The current arena is a battle that requires the premise of Pandora. But did I ever say this is unfair?

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As some of you will know, I did the same thing over and over, even on the plane.

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What I did not complain about are 1. Many people are aware of the absurdity of the system and are asking for improvements 2. This is an inevitable problem in the early stages 3. Using Pandora and how they can be in high rank It is their right that the current system allows.

pure zealot
boreal basin
# pure zealot What I did not complain about are 1. Many people are aware of the absurdity of t...

In my understanding the system has been abused to extremes and the people who are doing this extreme abuse are taking advantage of systems created by users who do it in good intention to help us if pandora helps you more you don't have to stop using it now. I don't think you have to feel bad about it because as I said, I think you worked very well on your character and you are where you are by merit because you invested a lot in it

solar jetty
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Actually the problem is more about buying tickets than mods

pure zealot
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I'm only talking about the system

boreal basin
pure zealot
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In summary, the system needs improvement. i'm not lazy Expression of opinion is free. Pandora is not wrong

boreal basin
boreal basin
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sorry @pure zealot yes you are absolutely right, I have misunderstood in some messages before

nocturne rapids
# pure zealot In summary, the system needs improvement. i'm not lazy Expression of opinion i...

Massive overall.... tickets buying isnt wrong in itself, if its to purchase turns one miss due to work, life etc.. all this BS could go away with a simple step... like every successful games which have pvp... Tier , ranks, elo, auto matchmaking.. look at Axie, God unchained, Leagues of legends, etc.. they all use ranked bases pvp you win you go up a rank you lose you go down a rank, there is a good reason why it works and they are making billions! Any game developers can create their own version of "ranks" and matchmaking... as original as they want but the system works. unlike this money grab atrocity... a season should allow X amount of turns per 24 hours, fixed amount of turn for a season, everyone gets to play the SAME amount of turns unless they missed a turn, unlimited missed ticket purchases up to the last 24hrs. and no ticket purchase in the last round, simple... not that hard, having a chance to lose to player above is only fair, now everyone is fighting the weaker opponents cuz thats how its setup to pick the easy fights. that's what i do, its a joke.. speaking of joke, Vash, the passion! seems you missed my sarcasm bud, lol.

pure zealot
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I think the same. The old arena was very annoying. But now things are a little better. Even if you don't set the alarm at dawn every turn, you can recover one ticket with less than a dollar.

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We need to be clear about what the Arena ultimately screens out. strong? wealth? hard effort? What are you evaluating? To be honest, if you are willing to take first place even after a few rounds off, you can use a few tickets.

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But you definitely need Pandora. How many of the ranking users are not Pandora users?

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Using mods for convenience is the recommended practice. But if the mod is forced, it's a system fault. Whether it's the way you buy tickets or the old arena, everything is a problem.

boreal basin
# nocturne rapids Massive overall.... tickets buying isnt wrong in itself, if its to purchase tur...

In reality the problem of the tickets already starts to upset my head and to question me and I have been reflecting a lot about it and this issue, initially was not something that pleased me truth be told, but deep down it begins to be not wrong but I already take a time to think that the problem is not the tickets, but the way that people look at them and think about them, because here there was and still is the thought of a single tactic to the arena and make the fights in the last 5 minutes most people love it, however if what I spent is compensated by the prizes won is that so bad? or deep down the vast majority just think about winning without spending? and how can something survive or give meager prizes if not to a resumption of the same then when the pool is empty where will the prizes come from?

wild fulcrum
# pure zealot In the last 5 seasons, when the win rate against farm4ace or wabbs was 50%, I wo...

I'm not saying the current system is perfect, but we were all under the same rules, in the championship which was the most important event you missed 2 whole session of tickets in the days before the final session, which is already bad if you want top 5, and then you weren't on the game fully in the last 2 hours of the final session and got last minute problems, but we all knew that buying tickets took more than 1 hour to get top 5, so you didn't play well is what I was saying. Meanwhile people like me and wabbs tried our best with weaker characters and succeeded because of that : P

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BTW I see the simulations % so I know that during the finals of the championship I had the 5th strongest character in PVP, nobody could have got top 5 with a really weak character and I didn't overachieve by much, the key to top 5 was a strong character and effort in the last hours / strategy

pure zealot
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And even if that's not the case, using the ticket for 16 hours is enough to make up for it. It will probably take less than 10 minutes. I don't care about efficiency when using ncg, so it doesn't matter to me at least.

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and rather than that, the ratio of mod use to non-use seems to be helpful for realistic problems.

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If the system literally has to force the mod, wouldn't it be appropriate to change the system or mount the mod?

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Also, despite your weakness, I admit that you are rightfully ranked. I'm just saying that some improvement is needed, should I be admonished you for being lazy?

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Also, the wabbs you are talking about were aware of my circumstances, and I played for the top 100 reward because I can't be in the rankings anyway without using the mod.

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But you, who know nothing, discipline me like a teacher.

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I bought about 50 tickets before the last round and even in the season when it was overloaded with tickets, I won. So the problem of alarm or laziness has nothing to do with me, at least.

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I'm not talking about you setting alsrm and I'm not. I'm not even complaining about the first championship. I'm not even criticizing mods that include Pandora. However, there will be improvements to the arena, and i have only expressed my expectations for it. Can't advance to the championship because improvement doesn't suit me? It's just that.

coral sphinx
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I've been saying this for months but here it is again: i don't think that the arena should be a time sensitive game mode in an idle game.

If you have the strongest character you should rank 1st if you just play the game whenever during that 16 hours period. For moderate powered character, picking your opponents should be very important, but again, without having to time anything. Just be active daily and invest in your character gear.

pure zealot
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Yes. After a new stage was opened, I was so engrossed that I forgot for a moment that this game was idle.

coral sphinx
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The arena is not. Even with top gear you still have to set alarms, be there in the last hour and have enough luck or mods to buy enough tickets to rank high.

smoky pebble
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Can anyone help me with this error?

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keen blade
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Can u tell me ? how to fix this ?

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