Why was itr2 built in unreal 5 instead of unreal 4?

[heavy urchin]

itr1 along with many games was built in unreal 4 and run great. itr2 is laggy and looks worse than itr1.

[vale lantern]

It's still a beta and they probably used 5 to future proof it

Ue4 has its years now

The reason why itr2 looks bad is because it has a lot higher polygons assets than itr1 and Taa just shit itself with that

Higher polygons + fine details and taa ≠ good

[pulsar folio]

Yeah i dont personally understand why did they choose UE5 xd

[heavy urchin]

low key I think its the TAA that's throwing bc itr1 using mxaa and looks crisp and clear

and itr2 looks like there's compression or something

[vale lantern]

ITR1 use taa

At least in 1.0

[heavy urchin]

there's a mxaa option in 2.0

it looks great

[vale lantern]

Msaa?

MX?

[heavy urchin]

I don't remember if it's msaa or mxaa that they use

[vale lantern]

Probably msaa

[heavy urchin]

acually nvm

[vale lantern]

But msaa can't be used nowadays

[heavy urchin]

mxaa doesn't exist I'm stupid

[vale lantern]

It's deprecated as newer effects rely on multi frame information

That's why ue5 is so reliant on taa

[heavy urchin]

they're adding a different anti aliasing in ue5.7 so hopefully the game will look better

or if they add a setting to disable anti aliasing without having the weird purple lines

bc I can't run high shadows to get rid of the purple lines

[vale lantern]

100%

The problem is that smaa (the upcoming antialiasing) doesn't use temporal data so idk about the lighting issues

[heavy urchin]

I was just trying itr1 for the first time on pc after playing itr2 since I've only played the first game on quest and it looks crystal clear

[vale lantern]

Yup

[heavy urchin]

and im just wondering why itr2 is so blurry

it's so weird

[vale lantern]

The magic of taa

This ass antialiasing

[heavy urchin]

it's not even it being blurry far away it's blurry everywhere

[vale lantern]

Especially when moving your camera

[heavy urchin]

it ruins what is a pretty good looking game otherwise

but anti aliasing also eats a little bit of fps so I wish there was a setting for it

I don't wanna go into the files to do that

[vale lantern]

Kinda

Post process ones as taa fxaa smaa don't have any big impact

[heavy urchin]

hey if I'm game runs at a crisp 54fps I want all the fps I can get

[vale lantern]

Maybe 2/3 fps

[heavy urchin]

it's like a 5fps impact at most

[vale lantern]

Msaa on the other hand is very very very fps heavy

#1379047413825667113 message I guess you already saw this

[heavy urchin]

either way on my build into the radius 1 so far looks better in almost every way even on highest settings

[heavy urchin]

yeah

[vale lantern]

Oh wow the fps count is unreadable

It was 103 max smaa and 106 max no aa

[heavy urchin]

I mean itr1 is very grey and but it's very crisp and it looks gorgeous

it also runs buttery smooth on high settings

[vale lantern]

Agree

[heavy urchin]

but itr2 on low give me maybe 60fps since I'm not gonna drop the render resolution

[vale lantern]

It's very optimized as it has been in development for years

[heavy urchin]

true but also ue5 vs ue4

[vale lantern]

I can help you with that, what GPU do you use

Becuse I noticed that the in-game resolution slider fucks up

[heavy urchin]

I use 100% in game and use virtual desktop to adjust resolution instead

I have a rx5700 xt

[vale lantern]

On a 3060 ti

2064x2064 no aa It looks gorgeous

[heavy urchin]

it runs every game but itr2 completely fine on high settings

[vale lantern]

I use a variety of high medium and low

[heavy urchin]

I do medium on everything but have effects on low

and I get at most 60fps

that's in the camp

it's playable but I wish it didn't look greasy

[vale lantern]

Try these next time
View distance medium
Shadow medium
Foliage low
Effects medium
Texture low (with AA off)
Geometry medium
Ffr widest

[heavy urchin]

texture low with aa off had purple lines if I didn't put shadows on high

[vale lantern]

There is a workaround

[heavy urchin]

I also noticed the foveation didn't do anything for me

[vale lantern]

In the medium preset you can find a setting

[vale lantern]

It helps with fps a bit

[heavy urchin]

I noticed it looks the same on narrow as it does on widest for some reason

[vale lantern]

It's a bit busted

[vale lantern]

Ye that's the busted part XD

It used to help a lot

[heavy urchin]

which one gives the most fps

[vale lantern]

Like 20/25 fps improvement

Now it's like 7/10 at best on widest

[vale lantern]

Widest

[heavy urchin]

wouldn't widest have the least foveation?

[vale lantern]

It's inverted in itr

Idk why

Generally yes

In itr2 widest is the narrowest XD

ShadowQuality=r.ShadowQuality

[vale lantern]

Set this to 4 in the medium preset

[heavy urchin]

ah itr2 foveation rendering is only supported on amd 6000+ series

[vale lantern]

It works on all GPUs

[heavy urchin]

it straight up does nothing for me

[vale lantern]

It's very hard to notice

[heavy urchin]

like no foveation rendering is actually happening and I have a quest 3 so I would be able to see it in the corners

I swear the setting is doing nothing for me

[vale lantern]

I also don't see it too much but it's there

I used to see it a lot before 0.13

[heavy urchin]

I thought the compression look was coming from me using virtual desktop to play

but after playing itr1 clearly not since I get 0 compression there

and I get it when cabled

[vale lantern]

Oh wait

You're right

Fuck rdna2 and above support ffr

[heavy urchin]

so far the best I'm able to get is 80fps if I do like 85% resolution with shadows off but I can't see anything basically

that's like doing legally blind simulator

[vale lantern]

And the in-game slider worsens the quality somehow

Do you use medium or low on virtual desktop?

[heavy urchin]

I actually run high because medium is unplayable with how blurry it is in this game

I can take the 10 fps drop

[vale lantern]

Next time try disabling the AA again

[vale lantern]

Do this too

And use medium

[heavy urchin]

but for pure fps I tried medium with the lowest settings

[vale lantern]

And ofc medium resolution on vd

It should give you a big fps improvement and clarity

[heavy urchin]

60fps is playable for me I just want it to not look like someone lathered lotion on my eyes

[vale lantern]

I talk by experience as I recently switched from high resolution 85 infame to medium 100 in-game

And the clarity is holy shit

It looks a lot better somehow

[heavy urchin]

with aa off I asume

right?

[vale lantern]

Yup

And the workaround using shadows on medium

[heavy urchin]

I run 100 with high currently hut my fps is bad

with medium shadows and low textures

but I can tolerate it dropping to like 34 in forest for me to be able to see more than 30 feet

[vale lantern]

Oh god

[heavy urchin]

my bitrate is plenty high so I atleast now it's not that

[vale lantern]

Also how high is it and what codec do you use?

[heavy urchin]

since I have 2 gig on wifi 6e and ethernet with my bitrate set to 120mbps on hvec 10bit

so my internet is fine

[vale lantern]

With 2 pass on or off?

[heavy urchin]

2pass?

[vale lantern]

Nvm yours is amd so it's not even usable

Adaptive quantization enabled too right?

[heavy urchin]

yeah

and in every game except this one I run high settings completely fine like like 30ms latency

I have a consistent 80ms in itr2

[vale lantern]

Ye that needs to be fixed

[heavy urchin]

it's so weird how hard of a time I'm having with it

I spent a good like 3 days min maxing my virtual desktop settings and its currently the best I can get it

and that's probably why I was immediately blown away trying itr1

because it looks so good

I can try swapping settings rn

[vale lantern]

if you want to try this next time

modify this in shadows medium preset in ini file

ShadowQuality=r.ShadowQuality 5
usign this settings
View distance medium
Shadow medium
Foliage low
Effects medium
Texture low (with AA off)
Geometry medium
Ffr widest

VD resolutioon set to meidum

[heavy urchin]

I'll give this a try rn

[vale lantern]

Ight

[heavy urchin]

give me a sec and I'll tell you how it runs

[vale lantern]

sure

[heavy urchin]

should I be using optimizations?

[vale lantern]

i have it on

[heavy urchin]

I'm getting the weird purple lines still with the shadow stuff changed

[vale lantern]

really?

[heavy urchin]

actually it's even there on high

[vale lantern]

ingame resolution 100?

[heavy urchin]

yeah

[vale lantern]

weird

is it clearer at least?

[heavy urchin]

no its completely unplayable

fps is better but I can't see nothing

[vale lantern]

that's even weirder

you're using vdxr right?

in vd settings

[heavy urchin]

yeah

I'll send screenshots

It looks way worse in headset

[vale lantern]

oh wow yea that doesn't look right at all

[vale lantern]

yea something ain't right

[heavy urchin]

I basically can't really see more than 10 feet in headset

[vale lantern]

i'm getting a lot more clearer results

[heavy urchin]

it's super compressed and blurry

[vale lantern]

wait

mayeb i know why

press both of your thubk sticks

send me a pic of the pefromance overlay

[heavy urchin]

yeah I have that open

my speeds are all normal

[vale lantern]

is automatic bitrate off?

[heavy urchin]

when I put it back to how I had it before its fine but with more latency

yeah

[vale lantern]

same for spacewarp i guess

[heavy urchin]

im gonna try rebooting but with the settings already on

yes

no spacewarp

I'll show you with my other settings in a sec

gimme a sec

okay

first is medium vd with aa off and the shadow thing set to 5

second is high vd but aa on and the same graphics settinfs

I'll send some photos through the lense too

[vale lantern]

i'll send you some pics for comparsion

i'll disable ffr

[heavy urchin]

same changes here

first is on high with AA

seconds is medium with no aa

[vale lantern]

Leaving aside discord compression

[heavy urchin]

yeah yours doesnt look like mine

[vale lantern]

This is basically your high resolution

[heavy urchin]

i see the aliasing but theres not the weird compression

[vale lantern]

But at medium

Yea

[heavy urchin]

and the foveation is actually there

[vale lantern]

I can try showing it thru the lense

[heavy urchin]

no need

i see the difference

i know just getting an rtx 3070 would fix most of my graphics issues in many games

but like

money yk

[vale lantern]

Oh wow my camera doesn't like the pico screens

[heavy urchin]

its really just the supported features

[heavy urchin]

do you use av1 or hevc

what sucks is that my rx5700 xt has more raw performance and power than a 3060 but the 3060 just has the nvidia features so it more supported and ends up running better because you get dlss and ffr

nvm i see your codec

[heavy urchin]

yeah it looks like we're running basically the same internet speed so im crossing that out of the question

and 120mbps vs 150mbps isnt really a difference

i could do 150 if wanted

[vale lantern]

150 is the max for my pico 4

[heavy urchin]

i can get 200 but it looks the same as 120 but with more latency

[vale lantern]

150 is a good middle ground

[heavy urchin]

if you have a 4090 you can run 70 with it looking better because you can do godlike mode

[vale lantern]

Especially with adaptive quantization

[heavy urchin]

yeah

[vale lantern]

Btw I'm getting 66 fps here because my GPU is limited as of now

It gets really hot in here and pumping more heat is a death sentence

[heavy urchin]

with your setup are you able to see people far away decently well or no

i noticed on the quest version with there being no AA i can see really far pretty clearly its just the graphics settigns are dialed way down

[vale lantern]

I can see everything fine

[heavy urchin]

ok so it would probably be like how it is on quest standalone but with the shadows and effects on medium

[vale lantern]

I wanna test again the performance gain with ffr

[heavy urchin]

its like on pc for me the shadows and textures and fps are better but its just that blurryness that makes me kinda like the quest version more

if i could figure out how to get it clear without it dropping below 60 i would

so far if i just run high with AA on it looks almost fine its just kinda blurry

close up not too bad its mainly 30+ ft away

[vale lantern]

As soon as they fix the purple lines

[heavy urchin]

if they either add a AA disable or change to a new AA with ue5.7 it should be better

[vale lantern]

Oh wow ffr really is broken

78/79 with it off

84/83 with widest

[heavy urchin]

thats a noticable amount when im playing on 54

it might be worth just getting a new gpu so i can run 70fps since i can run high a bit better and i get 2 pass and av1

[heavy urchin]

but havent really thought about upgrading until trying to play itr2

[heavy urchin]

i wish it ran like that in forest

[vale lantern]

Nope

That's outskirts XD

[heavy urchin]

ii think ill just try medium but with 150mbps

mb i havent gotten to outskirts

im waiting for my friend to be available again before i progress

[vale lantern]

Nah I just wanted to point out that it's even more impressive as it's very bad optimized

[heavy urchin]

yeah

if i had access to av1 and 2pass i would just run medium since it would be a bit clearer

i mean av1 isnt that much better than hevc

but its slightly more efficient if you have a quest 3 and an rtx gpu

[vale lantern]

I know it's a no shit Sherlock solution but if you can find a used
3060 ti
3070
6800xt

For VR would be the best

I saw some 3060 ti for 200 bucks

Or a little over

I would prefer a 6700xt or 6800xt as it has more vram

But for that price

[heavy urchin]

yeah i just dropped a ton of money getting a quest 3 and buying itr2 3 times so i would have a to wait a bit before upgrading gpus

sorry 4 times

[vale lantern]

XD

[heavy urchin]

i have purchased this game 4 times now

and it was worth it

ngl i could've bought 3060 ti for the price i paid for 4 copys of this game

[vale lantern]

Almost

[heavy urchin]

i noticed the game when using oculus link cable runs like 20 fps less

[vale lantern]

You would need a 5th copy

Mm

[heavy urchin]

it was worth the money since i can play with my brother on quest and a friend on pc

[vale lantern]

Have you tried a GPU driver update?

[heavy urchin]

yes i have updated my gpu drivers

i think outside of the purple lines its purely just my gpu being old

it runs like 30-50fps in forest depending where i am

if i swap to medium and turn shadows off i can do 60-70

i might just have to play like that

but medium with aa looks really bad

[vale lantern]

Let's be real

Everything with AA looks ass XD

[heavy urchin]

yeah but if you're resolution is cranked high enough you notice it less

which is why I do high when I should be running medium

because it makes the aa less obvious

[vale lantern]

Yea

[heavy urchin]

my friend has an ideal pc with a 3070 ti

if he just had virtual desktop he could run my settings a lot better than me

but he's also doing like 60fps because of the oculus link sucking

I think meta doesn't care about their link app anymore

[vale lantern]

It's weird that it tanks fps like that

[heavy urchin]

yeah virtual desktop makes it so you don't have to have oculus or steamvrs runtime open

basically with oculus link you have 2 runtimes eating your resources at the same time

so you tank like 20fps

[vale lantern]

Doesn't it support openXR natively?

[heavy urchin]

and this is why I think virtual desktop is just the best for pcvr since it runs well even on a kinda crummy connections

[vale lantern]

Or was it just air link

[heavy urchin]

wired

you run off openxr but steamvr needs to be open to play the game

since it's on steam it won't let you play without it open

so steamvr still uses resources even though you're on openxr

and openxr is just kinda buns compared to vdxr

[vale lantern]

I remember that air link doesn't need steamvr

But I guess quest link does

[heavy urchin]

I mean I was running itr2 with virtual desktop from a different wifi connection 10 miles from my pc and it ran better than quest link

only like 70ms latency

which is playable

[vale lantern]

XD

With a bucker for the vomit nearby sure

[heavy urchin]

mainly it was surprising that I could just play pcvr and decently playable state when at a completely different location

ngl I'm used to the latency at this point bc of itr2 running bad

I have built an iron stomach for poor vr framerate

when I beat the game I wanna do a second playthrough where I can only use respawn instead of load save so I have to kit up to get my gear back

also with low rewards but the kill rewards mod on so enemy's drop stuff sometimes

I wanna see if a no store playthrough is doable outside of food and armor of course

since I'm pretty sure armor doesn't drop and 2 crackers doesn't count as food dropping

[quaint dawn]

Itr2 looks worse than itr1? wtf are you smoking lol

[heavy urchin]

itr1 2.0 looks gorgeous

[quaint dawn]

It looks fine but no not gorgeous. It very much looks like most of the flat very early vr games with very simple lighting and geometry.

[vale lantern]

1.0 is a different story

Btw it suffers the same issue as itr2

Or probably is how virtual desktop works

But if you change the in-game resolution higher or lower it will look worse than using 100

And I noticed that disabling taa looks less clear than itr2 without taa

But I need to rest it with the in-game resolution to 100

(steamVR is very good mm)

[daring smelt]

intr2 needed to be rebuilt from the ground up to allow for multiplayer replication, they can't just recycle itr1 visual stuff, they're still working on it

[vale lantern]

Itr2?

Nvm I misread

Btw yes they can

They're called assets for a reason

Btw itr1 still looks blurrier than itr2 without taa

[vale lantern]

As I said here

Because the assets are low poly compared to itr2 ones

[daring smelt]

raw models/assets, yes
literally anything else? no

[vale lantern]

Uuuh

Wym

Anything else as in?

Animations?

You can reuse them

[daring smelt]

I'm/a monster/whatever half way through an animation and someone joins the area/server.

How does your client know the position of my bits.

[vale lantern]

Called syncing

[daring smelt]

you dont do frame by frame syncing, that went out with doom

[vale lantern]

Unity has a built in plugin for that

It probably exists on unreal engine too

[vale lantern]

Yes because that is not possible

Even on a local network you can't have pixel perfect sync

[daring smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6SeknakeU&ab_channel=GorkaGames

basically everything needs to be built with replication in mind, except for client only things like some special effects

There's no magic bullet for multiplayer, every game is limited by ticrate and packet size so every game needs a custom system (more or less)

[vale lantern]

Ok and?

That's the basic of a multiplayer game

What are you trying to say

[vale lantern]

If you add an asset that just needs to be synced

You don't add new code for that

It's not that for a new variable you need to create a new class

[daring smelt]

give an example

[vale lantern]

Sure

I have a class called car with 2 variables

Int wheels = 4
Int seats = 5

You can reuse that class for different cars

You don't add more code

[vale lantern]

This is only done once

[daring smelt]

sure you'd have a material that pulls the vars and changes the color of the car or whatever

[vale lantern]

It's the same principle

[vale lantern]

You just need to update the variable for both players

You just call a function

Which is called function for a reason

[daring smelt]

that sure sounds like extra code that requires extra work, it isn't just "import a asset"

[vale lantern]

Read this

You do it once

You can reuse the assets

Everything the game has

[daring smelt]

sure

[vale lantern]

And you just add the multiplayer stuff

[daring smelt]

man its so simple you should code games

[vale lantern]

For a multiplayer game you first add the multiplayer stuff

And then you can add assets

[vale lantern]

It's so simple that your point was that they couldn't recycle stuff but they can

It's done on a lot of games

[daring smelt]

so why does the player character that you control and the third person character have different collision channels

[vale lantern]

Because it's a different object for each client....

Stop saying random stuff

[daring smelt]

but you could just import the asset and sync it, right?

[vale lantern]

If the code to do that is implemented yes

It's not magic

[daring smelt]

but now that they have different channels you have to configure every imported asset to handle the new channels

again, its more work than just import the asset and sync it

[vale lantern]

Your point was that they couldn't reuse old stuff?

They can? Yes

[daring smelt]

my point is that reusing old stuff still requires a whole bunch of work

which is why it isn't all done yet

[vale lantern]

No shit

[daring smelt]

man its weird that you've spent like half an hour arguing just to agree with me

[vale lantern]

It's not done because

1. it's not useful
2. it would need a rework as the poly count is low
3. why would they

[vale lantern]

"they can't just recycle itr2 visual stuff"

Assets are reusable

[daring smelt]

reusable but they need a rework because the polycount is low, so why would they

[vale lantern]

.

This has nothing to do with reusing old stuff

[vale lantern]

Yes I said that

You can reuse animation

[daring smelt]

only if your new models have the same bones at the same length in the same configuration, ect.

[vale lantern]

What?

Bones?

Length?

Tf are you talking about

[daring smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N3r92InMxI&ab_channel=OutcastDevSchool

if its not a pretty exact clone you end up with stuff like this: lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOFDeWlCPmU&ab_channel=DPO23

[vale lantern]

Adding poly doesn't change anything about the skeleton

[vale lantern]

I'm pretty sure that's just an offset

Nothing else

[daring smelt]

every vertex you add, you have to reweigh to the skeleton

[vale lantern]

No

The Skelton is used to mitigate that

[daring smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-ah-confused-awkward-gif-8197953

[vale lantern]

Wym reweigh?

You're using fancy words but I'm not sure you actually knew them before looking at something online a few minutes before

If you want a practical example

GTA San Andreas enhanced edition

It looks shit? Yes

Has anything changed about the skeleton? No

Just the skeletal mesh

It technically is higher res

More poly

Same movements

And that's on a completely different game engine

[daring smelt]

older game engines, the vertex is straight up bound to a bone, you move bone , the vertex moves in relation to it
newer game engines its a weighting system, where for example if you raise your arm, the skin on your side stretches upwards because its weighted against those bones a little

[vale lantern]

Mmm

Ye itr2 surely use that uh

The jiggle physics of mimic booty

That's an option

Not a requirement

[daring smelt]

yeah there's an example
if you move oyur leg the booty should tighten up against the back of the skeleton

but if you throw it back, its going to swell outwards because of the weighting

[vale lantern]

It's not used in any games

[daring smelt]

...

[vale lantern]

Because it's too performance heavy

It's only used in some parts of the mesh

[daring smelt]

dude its been used since half life 2

[vale lantern]

In where

The crab?

[daring smelt]

i'll have to google a specific example, off the top of my head i remember people talking about it with alyx's jacket and chest

[vale lantern]

Jacket?

Leaving aside that

What about it?

[daring smelt]

is your whole thing asking a question, getting an answer then being confused ?

[vale lantern]

I'm being confused because you're not making any sense

[daring smelt]

what part of that was unclear

[vale lantern]

"it's only used in some part of the mesh"

Is it that hard to read?

Have you seen the unity demo where the skin deforms when putting a bracelet on

That won't work for a game

[daring smelt]

ok

[vale lantern]

And the point was that string poly would break the skeleton

Not it won't

And I told you why

Then you said something about the weight which is an optional thing

Probably

[daring smelt]

no you're right, grand theft auto did it so it should be the same way for every engine forever

[vale lantern]

GTA was made in an unreal engine XD

Form a team that has nothing to do with r*

[vale lantern]

Only the enhanced versions (Before you say that I'm wrong)

Oh yes they are called definitive editions

Wanna point this out too?

[daring smelt]

and here i was thinking that rockstar used their own engine

[vale lantern]

Which is called rage

And it's not used for the definitive edition

[vale lantern]

.