#Local Products Found in the Radius to Contrast with the UNPSC-Branded Gear

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crimson quartz
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and, if I was going to use iron sights, I stuck with the sks because it had slightly higher damgae

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šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

spice oxide
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I think like was said eariler, "more interactable items" even if it was 'junk' that wasnt sellable or usable. I rather like the bucket you can find and use it to carry stuff obnoxiusly like the shopping cart in Fallout 4

spice oxide
# crimson quartz

AH yea that is why i went irons until the new dovtil mount was added. there's 2 mounts now.

crimson quartz
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šŸ¤”

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All I saw was that one scope

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But I donā€™t use scopes

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I like the eotech šŸ¤“

spice oxide
spice oxide
crimson quartz
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I never realized how many alternate skins of matches there were in HL:A

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I love that there are multiple skins for a lot of things

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not only does the game have things like beer, vodka, gin, bourbon...

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but MULTIPLE brands of each

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I also love how contextual some of the stuff is

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like finding hotel-branded matches at the hotel

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and zoo-branded matches at the zoo

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and of course, the Lion brand vodka at the lion brand vodka distillery

crimson quartz
crimson quartz
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This is so sick!!!!!!

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Iā€™m jealous that you can drink the condensed milk

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Finally!

lusty moat
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Imagine having the same liquid shaders for liquids as HL:A had

crimson quartz
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I have no clue what the performance hit is

lusty moat
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Its not even expesinve in terms of performance its just a shader

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Nothing

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Like literally its so low it doesnt even matter

crimson quartz
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But Iā€™ve see. Liquid shaders in a lot of games recently

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Canā€™t be that hard

lusty moat
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Its just effects basically

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I think some other VR game did it but HLA had it better

crimson quartz
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But all effects cost something

lusty moat
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In comparison to real physics ofc xd

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Its gonna have some cost but afaik its really really low

crimson quartz
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Even Metro Awakening had it for the med vials

lusty moat
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It doesnt even propagate light

crimson quartz
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But yeah, HL:A shaders are the peak

lusty moat
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I think propagate is the right word

crimson quartz
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I think itā€™s sort of like video game water

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Itā€™s all fake

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But different games have different quality

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For performance

lusty moat
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Yeah theres a lot behind for sure, but now its been made so can just be stolen

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The bubbles are really cool

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Tbf i dont think radius needs this level of water detail with bubbles ect

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Just a fluid like shader would go a long way

crimson quartz
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Yeah! Iā€™ve seen very nice examples that are probably way ā€œcheaperā€ than the stuff in HL:A

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The shaders from Red Matter 2 are probably the 2nd best Iā€™ve seen

lusty moat
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Valve probably overengineered it anyways so the performance will be really good too xd

crimson quartz
lusty moat
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That looks nice

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Vodka would go hard

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First game didnt have vodka right?

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Just the energy drinks?

crimson quartz
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There were some empty wine bottles and empty glass bottles

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But no true vodka or beer

lusty moat
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Yeah we need that

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Nothing to pair with the cigs

crimson quartz
# lusty moat That looks nice

This is probably the ā€œcheapestā€ liquid shader Iā€™ve seen, but as long as the bottle itself has good textures, the liquid shader inside can be super cheap, imo

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This is from a low-poly art style game

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So it fits

lusty moat
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Dude honestly thats enough tbf

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Didnt TWD had something like that too?

crimson quartz
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Not afaik

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But itā€™s wild how recent this stuff is

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Because Valve basically invented it 5 years ago

lusty moat
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Valve put it in spotligh afaik the technique is not really new

crimson quartz
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Eye sea

lusty moat
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But could be wrong not too sure

crimson quartz
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The vodka and beer bottles in Metro Awakening didnā€™t have the liquid

lusty moat
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Usually some dude figured it out like 12 years ago just with math xd

crimson quartz
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But I wonder if thatā€™s because the assets were literally from 2010

lusty moat
crimson quartz
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But the liquid in the med vials looked so good

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So satisfying

lusty moat
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Havent seen it but sound really cool

crimson quartz
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Because Iā€™m sure Vertigo made those new

crimson quartz
lusty moat
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Okay that looks sweet

crimson quartz
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Ive gotta say, I like the MA med injector better than ITR2

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You can eject and reload vials between use

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Itā€™s so nice

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You just find vials rather than whole injectors

lusty moat
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The stims are so plastic cheap looking in ITR2

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Imagine having like a vial bag for that and just one injector

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Would make the inventory managment in terms of healing better too

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Also more interactivity with reloading the health injector

crimson quartz
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I think they could easily just replace the stims with different grad vials to reload

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And the injector is something that you keep and love

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Like your guns or detector

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Or other equipments

crimson quartz
lusty moat
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Anyways, we should get a kebab stand for cheap food

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Or like a shashlik stand

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Thats local

lusty moat
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Imo the stims injectors are the worst looking items in game

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Just feels 3D printed, if it had like a metallic cover with some scratching it would add a lot

crimson quartz
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The effect looks so good

lusty moat
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Gonna have to pay the metro game hearing a lot of praise

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Hows the alien game going btw?

crimson quartz
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but I'm still not super excited about it

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slowly playing it here and there

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idk why

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but some aspects are super nice

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like the touchscreen tablet is WAAAAY better than the laser pointer tablet in ITR2

crimson quartz
crimson quartz
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some stuff is SO good

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while other stuff leaves you wanting more

lusty moat
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That actually looks sweet

crimson quartz
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I honestly would be so happy if they just had this

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just opaque trash bottles

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that spawn each tide

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and wipe, like empty ammo boxes

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just a small enrichment item

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so make being in the radius more interactive and fun

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but yeah, I'd love if there was actual liquid shaders too

crimson quartz
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lusty moat
crimson quartz
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I'm all for off-the-shelf assets

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as long as they fit and the game is good

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even HL:A had some assets that I recognized from other games

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Propagation Paradise Hotel is one of my absolute favorite games, and it is made entirely with off-the-shelf assets

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the water bottles say "lorem ipsum" and the beer says "my beer"

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XD

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but the gameplay and atmosphere they made is TOP NOTCH

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it's actually wild how many assets I recognize between games

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because I'm a detail nerd

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ITR cup in Red Matter šŸ¤“

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the healing injectors though are part of the core gear

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so I think it would be cool if they remade their own

lusty moat
crimson quartz
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I mean, the devs updated other gear

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so it's not like they keep the old ones for consistency reasons

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between ITR1 and ITR2

lusty moat
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Only thing i really hate in terms of assests are the injectors and kyle the cube (Kyle is personal)

crimson quartz
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Therefore, some of the older stuff, like the stims, almost feel out of place now

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But itā€™s wild that when I replay ITR1, 2.0 feels closer to ITR2 fidelity than it does to 1.0

crimson quartz
crimson quartz
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Metro Exodusā€™s knockoff Belomorkanal cigarettes

crimson quartz
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how many variants of matches alone are there?!?!?

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HL:A is amazing

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I never stop noticing new things about it

fallow lark
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In defense of CMG, making new assets takes considerable time. Even a single simple 3D model requires not only careful mesh shapingā€”and often sculptingā€”but also texturing, mapping, testing, and patching since issues inevitably arise.

That's not to say I disagree with this thread; local and other product/loot variants should absolutely exist. I just don't want some passerbys to pop in and think CMG is lazy or uncaring because there's only one type of 30-round 9x19mm FMJ box.

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-# This is just my general two cents, not a response to Artifacts.

crimson quartz
# fallow lark In defense of CMG, making new assets takes considerable time. Even a single simp...
  • The whole thread is about creating the largest impact with the least amount of work
  • CM has used plenty of off-the-shelf assets (like binston cigarettes), which is perfectly fine, not everything has to be custom-made. Solo-dev games like Zona and ConVRgence have a range of interesting local food and loot items
  • CM already has all items from ITR1 at their disposable, so even just keeping the same canned pineapple cans, or sunflower seeds would be an interesting change from just finding UNPSC stuff
  • This thread is specifically suggesting that CM doesnā€™t make any unique models or assets, but rather just texture reskins of some of their UNPSC products. You can reskin a model in a relatively short period of time.
crimson quartz
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Like, some switches on electrical panels will look like they are popping out at you

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Or a flat window texture will look like it has depthā€¦glass with a curtain behind it and a room behind the curtain

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The only thing I think looks bad in HL:A is the glass

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It just looks like ā€œdirty glass texture.jpgā€ set to 40% opacity

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However, Iā€™ve seen amazing glass in other games

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Such as the red matter games

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Where there is reflection, refraction, and depth to scratches

crimson quartz
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Which I canā€™t think of another VR game that has it

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Breakable glass really adds a lot to firefights

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But, it works in a highly scripted linear game like HL:A

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I doubt weā€™d ever see breakable glass in an open game like ITR2

cobalt oriole
crimson quartz
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And how many things are given breakable glass

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And if the glass is dynamically-breakable like in HL:A, or just a default shatter to nothing glass like in Arizona Sunshine 2

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AS2 has breakable glass, and although linear, the maps are fairly large

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And they were still able to make quest ports

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I could see an open game like ITR using breakable glass in only a select few places around major fire-fights

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Especially for memorable top-priority missions

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For example, breaching the train building in Kolkhoz for kids playground

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The devs can curate the mimic placement, the environment, and the entry points for players

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So, like HL:A devs, they can curate areas with large sheets of glass between the player and the mimics

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Enhancing the firefight

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There are already ā€œpre-brokenā€ windows all over the radius in ITR2

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So I could see the devs implementing something where the pane of glass simply spawns in as ā€œpre-brokenā€ after you return to that location again

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However, Iā€™m day dreaming

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And I donā€™t think it will ever happen

crimson quartz
# cobalt oriole The lag would be insane

Iā€™m replaying HL2 VR right now, and Iā€™m reminded of how insane it is, especially for 20 years agoā€¦not only breakable glass, but literally everything is interactable and breakable

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You can smash boxesā€¦chairs, tablesā€¦whatever

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Itā€™s insane

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I feel like games have lost a little something

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Even the cardboard boxes can be flattened out

crimson quartz
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on the topic of reskinning assets for more variety...

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I noticed that HL:A reskinned the same box as butter, screws, and medicine

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so nice!

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I love more variety of stuff, especially when they creatively reuse what's already in the game

spice oxide
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On broken glass, as you summed it up in an older post "more with less" in the sense of smoke an mirrors. a well done fixed animation for glass when it reaches a 'certain breaking point' past varying bullet decals doesn't have to produce individual shards or fragmented panes of glass with their own physics (but that would be nice). or if it does, produce little enough that it can be done as a simple particle effect. wouldn't really be different than the fragment with or without the core dying.

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And as far as i'm concerned: the fragment's movements are a bit like a reptile or bird and intented to be sharp and animal-like as opposed to laggy like some say. When they die, they break apart fluidly so i think the game can handle the physics of a few things with their own physics at the same time. If the same methods are applied to windows or even a few panes of glass they could easily 'break more' on contact with any other object and just disperse into a particle effect that looks like shattering. doesnt have to be a pile of broken glass on the ground with individual bits of physics like endless shell casings.

crimson quartz
crimson quartz
cobalt oriole
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140!?

cobalt oriole
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Nothing is fair when valve does it

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I heard that some employees were arrested for doing black magic outside of work hours, but that's all alleged

crimson quartz
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please devs šŸ™

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alternate cigarette skins

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I know a lot of people also want "usless" things that can be found and taken home as well

cobalt oriole
crimson quartz
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I want to take the kitty home

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Even if itā€™s a fake kitty

cobalt oriole
crimson quartz
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šŸ†

cobalt oriole
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That's W

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I leave my pc on to grind on games, I guess that's the strat

crimson quartz
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I've spotted at least one actual vodka bottle in the outskirts

cobalt oriole
half kettle
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yes

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bump

weak jasper
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The Radius provides, brƶther.

crimson quartz
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The radius giveth

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And the radius taketh

crimson quartz
topaz orbit
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You should put alcohol into the game the guys deserve a drink after a long day and night of being nearly killed by monsters

crimson quartz
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The drinkable kvass in ConVRgence was such a good addition

crimson quartz
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I saw this

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canned beef, my beloved

woven notch
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The one thing i miss from itr in the sequel is being able to find unique consumables (like the food). I wish this would return in some way

More mundane objects as collectibles! The few we have in game are cool but i want to flood my base with them!!!

crimson quartz
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canned pineapple, my beloved

crimson quartz
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I donā€™t think weā€™ll ever see any non-UNPSC items in the zone

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Well, usable items

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We donā€™t need to reinvent the wheel

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We donā€™t need new models

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We donā€™t need new interactions

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Just a reskin of a cigarette box

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Or a cracker box

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Or the sprats can

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Or the chocolate bar

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Even if you say there wasnā€™t such a thing as a pull-tab sprats can in 1987, we know that the UNPSC was bringing in products into the zone for years

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Prior to them making special UNPSC-branded products

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We have at least 15 years of the UNPSC bringing in products for explorers

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(Binston cigarettes, sweeet bars, canned pineapple)

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However, even if some of the stuff was left over from actual 1987 Pechorsk, there absolutely was basic things like cigarettes, crackers, and chocolate bars

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That would not need new models or interactions

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Also, even so, itā€™s a game, with hypothetical assets, not the literal products from the USSR

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Although games like Zona and ConVRgence do use actual USSR products

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I think what HL:A did was better

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Just make up some hypothetical packaging for things that could have been in that part of the world

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Honestly, Iā€™d be happy if there was just a blank sprats can that simply said ā€œspratsā€ in Cyrillic / Estonian

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šŸ˜‚

loud pollen
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Man when did this thread get 174 upvotes

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Thatā€™s so tuff

crimson quartz
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give the people what they want!

loud pollen
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Yes fr

crimson quartz
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According to Chat GPT, there would have been pull-tab sprats cans around Scandinavia in 1987, but were probably not common in the baltics / USSR until after 1991

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However, like I say, the generic-brand pull-tab sprats could have easily been brought in my the UNPSC any time between the 1987 event and the time of ITR2

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We have generic brand pull-tab foods in ITR1 after all

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So itā€™s not like seeing some in ITR2 would break the rules of the gameā€™s setting

sullen moat
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I srsly will need non-unpsc branded items

maiden flame
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so they could probably stretch things a little and put pull-tab sprats in the zone

crimson quartz
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Exactly

maiden flame
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as long as it's not too far outside the realm of possibility

crimson quartz
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We already had pull-tab cans in ITR1

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No reason over 20 years that we wouldnā€™t have seen different brands of sprats and chocolate and things come into the zone

maiden flame
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I'm not a dev, but from my perspective it would be somewhat easy

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and do wonders for immersion

crimson quartz
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They could

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But the new food items are definitely hand crafted to a higher standard

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It would be easier for them to just photoshop alternate labels for them

maiden flame
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yeah

crimson quartz
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Alternate cigarette skins would be so easy

maiden flame
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but the pineapple cans seem like they were pretty good in the first game

crimson quartz
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The old binston cigarettes were just a pre-made game asset

maiden flame
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they could fit

crimson quartz
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Yeah, I think they hand-made those ones

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The sweeet bars are actual chocolate bars

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So I wonder how they ended up in the game

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Probably just an asset the devs bought

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You canā€™t even smoke in the Zona game

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But they have a few types of cigarettes as loot items

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And like a thousand types of canned food as loot

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ConVRgence has a nice mix of real life and invented food items

humble rivet
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This is the most upvoted suggestion, I see why lol

loud pollen
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Yeah even tho the mods cheated

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Me and him would've had the most upvoted feedback posts ever

loud pollen
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Even though it would make sense anyways

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The tab items in itr1 are all imports, makes sense since the UNPSC needed a lot of food

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The ->UN<- PSC

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Idk why we wouldn't have leftovers of those in the zone left by other explorers

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The cigs part is the one that makes the least sense

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Why are there UNPSC cigs everywhere, people have had cigarettes since 1955

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As in cigarette boxes

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Cigarettes themselves have been around since 1880, even then, by 1987 there were definitely different types of cigarette boxes in the union of the soviets. Why just the lil UNPSC box Pecho_Tired

crimson quartz
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Estonian chocolate bar wrapper from literal 1987

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ā€Made in USSRā€

loud pollen
loud pollen
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180!!!!

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šŸ„³ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸ„³

crimson quartz
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1AD

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This thread will get enough attention that the devs will delete it

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šŸ˜”

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If I ever find the time, maybe Iā€™ll make some alternate reskins of things

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As a proof of concept

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But I donā€™t want it to be a mod

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I want the variety in the game itself

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Both UNPSC and generic stuff

loud pollen
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Yeah fr šŸ˜ž

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Youā€™re on a good run tho

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Science missions was stomped out a lot earlier than 180 I think

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Maybe 160

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Iā€™ll make a backup when I get home

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I already have one

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But itā€™s old

maiden flame
crimson quartz
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I think itā€™s removed after the devs have considered it

loud pollen
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It's removed when you're silenced

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We were told that it was a suggestion not feedback

loud pollen
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But fr, I have no idea

loud pollen
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Then why that one and not others

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It's very fishy

crimson quartz
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well, Kostya sort of addressed it on stream

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I think they protoyped some stuff

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but felt like they had to choose between developing weapons and developing new science stugg

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stuff

loud pollen
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I guess kinda

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Guns bring more "excitement" and the science will only just structure the game

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And that's not what they need

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At least for a while

crimson quartz
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but maybe it will come down the line

loud pollen
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Possibly

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Hopefully

crimson quartz
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as they give more life to the game

loud pollen
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Yeah

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Because we don't need 3 AK variants with 3 kinda AKs and another 2 barely AKs

marble acorn
crimson quartz
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But I get that this is part of why ITR is so good

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We each get to choose

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The player has agency

marble acorn
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Ive one used the bizon m4 and dragunov

crimson quartz
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Honestly, with the M9 and SKS, Iā€™m SET!

loud pollen
loud pollen
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Very difficult task

crimson quartz
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Every time I try to force myself to use the different gunsā€¦

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I just give up

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And say ā€forget it, give me the gun that works!ā€

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I just donā€™t see a reason to use crappier guns

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If I have one with high accuracy and damage

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And at the same time, I donā€™t go for the OP guns

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Sks is goat

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šŸ

loud pollen
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Yeah fr

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I know why they havenā€™t give the sks modularity

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It would be the best gun oat

maiden flame
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watch it get nerfed to hell in the next update

radiant pendant
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1396 comments is insane. its just food labels ts not that serious

maiden flame
radiant pendant
loud pollen
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Now imagine something similar but 4000 messages

crimson quartz
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you can get ikea canned sprats?

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šŸ¤”

crimson quartz
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something like this is perfect as an ITR2 alternate sprat skin

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estonian and russian text

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pop tab

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I guess I'll just have to mod it in

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but I want a mix of stuff in the loot pool more than anything

crimson quartz
loud pollen
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Where has this been at

loud pollen
quasi widget
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This is so true

crimson quartz
quasi widget
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Almost 200 upvotes why hasn't this happens

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Happened

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Or at least addressed

loud pollen
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It has a little bit I guess

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Idk why it isn't at 200 yet

crimson quartz
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I think Vector said it wasnā€™t going to happen

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However! Iā€™m 94% sure HL:A has pop-tab canned products dated to the 1980s

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But, I donā€™t actually imagine that the hypothetical ā€œlocal productsā€ in the radius would be from the 1980s

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But rather just likeā€¦ stuff that was brought in by the UNPSC

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Prior to their branded products being a thing

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I just like the idea of finding a mix of things in the zone

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Pre-radius stuff

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Local products brought in between 1987 andā€¦2010?

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And then the fancy rebranded UNPSC stuff

crimson quartz
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But Iā€™d love to see different brands than in ITR1

spice oxide
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I wish a little that you could open the books and altered books and read them and see differences.

loud pollen
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At some point the choice will not be theirs Pecho_Scary

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Jk

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Unlesss šŸ¤”

loud pollen
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Youā€™ll be the first thread to get 200

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For good reason

crimson quartz
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Dang

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Two more

loud pollen
dense wasp
# crimson quartz I think Vector said it wasnā€™t going to happen

thats rly sad if true : (
i cant think of one good reason as to why they shouldnt add this sorta richness into the game, time is the best retort but the time it would take vs the reward of having a game with so many cool little items makes it an obvious win, i rly feel like most of us arent here for the best weapon to kill enemies, were looking for that ratty scavenger vibe trying to collect loot whilst you hope to not anger the whole neighbourhood of eldritch entities. theyre not adding another mechanic or something that would require balance, theyd be adding a bunch of cylinders and boxes with different textures, something so simple but so effective at world building šŸ˜”

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i can understand why they may not rn/ when they was in early access. but surely an update down the road can add these items

loud pollen
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200!

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šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰

dense wasp
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LETS GOOOO

loud pollen
crimson quartz
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Vector canā€™t refuse now

dense wasp
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the fact this thread has been going for so long and has this many upvotes, it shows a substantial consumer interest/demand

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I may be a little biased i love this thread as someone who studied graphic design in college. its a treasure trove of awesome design. but still