STALKER Overhaul Mod

[molten pine]

Thats just how it goes

There arent overarching systems I can use like saying "make sure 1 gun spawns somewhere"

Its also possible a gun did spawn and you didnt find it

[austere sparrow]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. It's just humorous that my experience is like this.

[opal bluff]

my first run in village has like 10 armoured enemies with AKs and stuff, now it's all going smoothly, and my last run i got bodied by a harvester

lots of RNG involved, but the odds do go in your favour on the long run if you are at the right places

like only once i found the village REALLY stacked, all my other tides have been a lot more manageable so far

i love it doh, it feels more unpredictable, i would've never guessed to die 3 feet away from the start of the game with an AS VAL

you don't get this feeling from the base game cause you know what you'll find

[austere sparrow]

My game has been a complete war zone so far. The vast majority of enemies I've fought have been soldiers, many of which have been armored.

Now that I have a drum mag devoted to AP, however, I feel power like never before.

Unless I get caught in the open or pincered, I'm usually able to come out with negligible losses.

That said, when they hit, even with armor, they hit hard.

[worthy light]

farewell feast was hell

lots of saving and loading was done

[opal bluff]

Farewell feast? I am trying to do a few quests in the first area and the harvester was like "nah fuck you"

I yet have to go into zarya with this mod

[opal bluff]

Question @molten pine , what do you think about how you tweaked the DVL? It seems kind of useless if you can get a scar, it only seems cheaper for the most part.

I may be missing something, like usual

I wanted to get it, but then i realized the scar was not crazy expensive (as it should be imo)

[molten pine]

Integrated suppressor, probably quieter than the scar even with the suppressor, better velocity, cheaper than the scar.

[opal bluff]

The velocity was around the same no?

[molten pine]

Oh wait, yeah thats right

Scratch the velocity.

By the way, you can check all info in the spreadsheet.

It's pinned.

[opal bluff]

Yea i have, that is why i was wondering if i missed something

As it seems i usually do

Maybe upgrade costs for the scar, i did not look at that.

[molten pine]

The dvl is 28500

The scar is 55000

It also doesnt need you to constantly repair the suppressor

[opal bluff]

Gotcha, was just double checking if there was more to it

[distant arrow]

Loving the mod so far. Found a sawn off double barrel off a mimic in my first adventure. I did notice a new graphical bug lmao. It dropped the sawn off with ammo in it but it wasn’t visible & I could not take it out. It was fine once I fired the two “invisible” shots 🤘🏼

[molten pine]

Hopefully that bug gets fixed.

[austere sparrow]

I wonder if that's what happened to me. I've occasionally had boxes duplicate an extra round when transferring to another container.

[opal bluff]

it's a trap.. don't shoot it

[opal bluff]

(what i mean by that is if you shoot it into the radius, about half the map comes to you)

[barren orchid]

idk if it's the same bug but i've got invisible mags on handguns a couple of times, quitting to the main menu and reloading fixed them

[molten pine]

epic

[onyx flare]

Can you please increase audio tape spawn rate?

[molten pine]

Why????

[onyx flare]

Because "Music Tape Replacement" mod. In "Scavenger Mod" I always had a couple of cassettes for especially tough fights.

[molten pine]

Ah, I see.

I'll make them a bit more common next update, I suppose.

[onyx flare]

Thank you

[opal bluff]

Oh boy, today is the day i try to get my stuff back from the harvester. Hope it will follow a nade

[pulsar forge]

Good luck- tell 'em i said hi

[opal bluff]

Either that, or i'll finally have a reason to use that drum mag.. lol

Just full auto him with 70ish bullets

[austere sparrow]

It's probably too early to judge, but do you think the next update may force a restart?

[pulsar forge]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-machine-gun-shooter-rampage-gif-21761600

[subtle rivet]

is anyone willing to help me install the stalker mod?? im not the greatest at installing these mods and want to make sure im doing it correctly

also after installing will it restart my game from fresh or will i still be at the same place in my current story

[opal bluff]

I believe it is advised to do a fresh save, i swear @molten pine already answered this but i always forget the answer.

[molten pine]

Its on the main page of the mod.

A new save is more than heavily recommended.

[opal bluff]

https://www.nexusmods.com/intotheradiusvr/mods/136

[molten pine]

Same with installation instructions.

[distant arrow]

For arcade mode can I use an old rich boi save I have?

[molten pine]

Yeah you could

But some of the durability values will be fucked

Youll have to manually adjust the difficulty in the settings

[distant arrow]

Ah true it’s ok tho, would be for lolz

[molten pine]

Its not impossible to get an old save working

[opal bluff]

I wonder if i can dual wield PPSH with drum mags to magdump an harvester

[distant arrow]

ty

[distant arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-gif-26049397

[molten pine]

But every item will likely be low durability when you load in and your difficulty on that save needs to be adjusted

Basically

The values on your save probably dont match the values ive set on my mod

So tweaking the custom difficulty will likely fix it

[distant arrow]

Awesome sounds ez enough

[pulsar forge]

Just came back from the Radius (about my sixth / tenth time playing, first playthrough), quite happy with it! I was hunting for some artifacts at the beginning level (forgot the name-) and it was around 15:30pm when I went into the village for another mission. When I completed it all, I was like "Ah screw it, let's go to construction" as I had never been there.. Welp, I nearly got an heart attack as it turned night quickly, had to rush because the tide was incoming (I only had 5 hours left before the tide) butt after a few cigs and diapers, I managed to get back to Vanno..

got quite some loot, especially a ton of artifacts and two documents, and after selling it all made 7.5k! Also found an AKS-74U.. already had one unfortunately but oh well.

edit: it was also my first time in the darkness / night time..

[clever jackal]

crazy question but how did you screenshot? I can’t figure out how tf to do so on air link the usual input doesn’t work for me

[pulsar forge]

i'm using virtual desktop! Never used air link before so I'm unsure :( Perhaps a quick google? I'll try and find you something hold up

[clever jackal]

hmmm i’ll have a look at that ty!

[pulsar forge]

This may help?

in case you have a quest 2, @clever jackal!

[clever jackal]

oh it’s crazy, outside of airlink that works fine but using it, it doesn’t lol

i’ll have to try that virtual desktop

[pulsar forge]

Alrighty! Disclaimer: It costs about 20 euro (not sure what currency you have), it's like air link but a different application

https://www.vrdesktop.net/ here's a link to their website

[opal bluff]

9 times out of 10 that i do something that i have not planned, i die in agony

hell i am lucky if i don't die by doing what i have planned

like the last time i played an harvester just decided to spawn at the first area

it was funny

[pulsar forge]

in the first area?-

[opal bluff]

yup

bolokty

[pulsar forge]

jesus I've only seen one in the village

[opal bluff]

and because i am on ironman.. mh

i'll likely need to reset the tide for this one

[pulsar forge]

oh god

give it a warm brown hello

[opal bluff]

i'd attempt to kill him, i just avoid messing with him because i'm on ironman, and because i do not know how to kill him reliably

compared to every other enemy in the game

i wonder if chucking nades would get him

if i ever play this again, i am not doing ironman anymore, so i can attempt fun stuff

[pulsar forge]

doesn't he have a bubble thingy like an incapacitated fragment?

[opal bluff]

he does

i never tried killing one so i do not know if that does anything

[pulsar forge]

ahh okay

[opal bluff]

it could be a weakspot

[pulsar forge]

yeah me neither only seen one and died by a slider right after (which he spawned)

[opal bluff]

if he has a weakspot, he'd be a lot more killable

consider that he has a 80% chance to give a regen artifact

which is 6k in this mod at normal settings

i want to go ham on him, what i lack is knowledge

such as, if he has armour

[pulsar forge]

what if you kindly ask him to drop it?

[pulsar forge]

maybe it's explained somewhere on the Fandom? not sure though

But I am quite certain it'd be his weakspot as it looks exactly like the other entities weakspots

[opal bluff]

it could be, given he was in 1.0

however, i am not sure if it was even intended to be killed back then

[pulsar forge]

I'll maybe try and find / kill him tomorrow

[opal bluff]

consider that you need anything inbetween 8k and like 13k worth of damage JUST for him

• all the sliders

not counting weak points, if there are any.

[shut mauve]

I have used a quest 2 like 3 times. So forgive me if this is redundant.
In air link doesnt the quest act like a rift? You press the oculus button and the old fashioned dash comes up. If this is correct u should be able to go to the right of the dash to where the time is shown,( i think it also shows three dots) hover over it or press(im doing this from memory and its 12pm and im stoned soz) once u pressed or hover over it you get an extra panel showing controller battery percentage but it also has several buttons and one of them is the screenshot button. You click it and it gives u a 5 second countdown and takes a screenshot

Sorry if this didnt make sense im shpongled out my mind

Yeah re-reading it i see that aint exactly the best grammar, but it suffices hope this helped sorry if it didnt

[clever jackal]

ohhh ok I will def try this! Thanks!

[pulsar forge]

That's so much- and yeah sliders are gonna be a pain

When I saw the harvester it spawned like 2-4 sliders and a few mimics

it was near construction too so there were already about 5 mimics wandering around

[opal bluff]

Good news is that no one seems to have armour

So you can likely get away with cheap ammo

Just remember that you won't be able to refill your mags

Or well, not easily

[pulsar forge]

unfortunately for me, there were 2 armoured seekers, an armoured police mimic and an unknown armoured mimic (think it was a commando)

seekers are easy to take down though whether or not they're armoured, just a simple headshot

mimics are a little more tricky as they tend to seek for cover and such..

[molten pine]

They also do more damage now and are technically a ranged enemy

Since they have lasers

[pulsar forge]

swear to god sometimes they scare the living shit out of me, especially the snipers

just having a calm stroll through the radius and suddenly BANG

[rough badger]

5274 MESSAGES WHAT THE HELL

[timber mauve]

@molten pine What's the HP of the harvester?

[molten pine]

Pretty high

all information is on the spreadsheet

[opal bluff]

Did you consider making the silenced 9x39 rifles be balanced by their noise instead? Something like "louder than a silenced rifle, but less loud than an unsupressed rifle" @molten pine

It surprises me that i did not think about that

So somewhere around the range of 2

Honestly it would likely still be op at 2, so it may need tweaking. Just an idea.

[molten pine]

But it isnt

it's a very good gun irl for that reason as well

[opal bluff]

Oh, you want to keep it realistic

I see, nevermind

I'd assume just balancing the ammo costs in that case would be your goal?

I feel they should make up for the fact you do not need to repair a silencer

[molten pine]

The weapon cost is the balancing factor, really.

The issue with technology advancement is sometimes things are both cheaper and better

9x39 is a very impressive caliber for delivering force, penetration and being subsonic.

There's really no way to sugar coat it.

I tried to balance out realism, cost and stats to a healthy degree. The only thing I might do is nerf 9x39's damage a bit whenever I update the mod.

[opal bluff]

I see, fair. I'll just avoid using it for the time being and sell it

I'll use the groza as a 9x39 caliber if anything

Unless i struggle when i go in zarya and stuff, we'll see

Considering my higher settings and lower reward, i would not be surprised if i need it to go around factory afterall.

[timber mauve]

One SCAR magazine is equal to 4200 damage IF 1. you hit every shot 2. you are running FMJ.
The harvester has 7500-12500 HP depending on where it has spawned, meaning you need at least 2 scar magazines to take it out, if not 3.

you're welcome.

8 FMJ PM bullets is 408 damage

not a lot

but, you do spawn with a total of 50 bullets, meaning you have a damage capacity of 2550

enough to kill 2 sliders with no extra ammunition to spare.

just use the PPSH lol

94 damage with +P multiplied by the 71 round capacity of a drum mag is 6674 damage

in one magazine

if you run FMJ it's 5325

The highest 1-shot damage weapon is the hunting shotgun with 250 damage per shot for buckshot

that's at least 30 rounds of buckshot to kill the harvester

For early game run with the SKS because 108 damage a shot x (30+1) in a mag is a lot of damage, 3348 to be exact.

[molten pine]

I think the harvester has a weak spot in the center

[opal bluff]

I'll likely avoid it. On normal settings it is killable, but with reduced money + increased HP / spawn rates, you really have to mind whom you shoot

Maybe whenever i get a SCAR

[opal bluff]

This is about 30% of the enemies i attract with a shotgun on these settings (+ increased perception)

I love it, it's fun

Like x2 that amount comes overtime from further away

[molten pine]

Im glad

[timber mauve]

the harvester has 12500 HP at max difficulty making it take exactly 3 scar magazines to kill without one round to spare. (12500 / 4200 = 2.97)

[opal bluff]

It has 18.750 if you are really unlucky

The 12500 you saw is not the HP it has at max difficulty. He can spawn with a value of HP that starts from whatever the first number was to 12500, and then you multiply that by 50% for max HP difficulty

[molten pine]

Yeah

Its variable

And also I believe he has a weak point

Ive heard the noise

Weak points do 3x or 4x the damage or something

[timber mauve]

so 4.5 magazines.

and if you hit weakpoint then it's like 1.5 magazines

worst case scenario you're gonna be dumping magazine after magazine into the thing if you have a PM

[opal bluff]

Taking that thing on with a PM would be hard as hell. You can't reload mid fight as much because of sliders.

There isn't much that is difficult about it, it's that, because of sliders, it's hard to run away from.

Sliders are buffed in this mod too i believe

Unless you can dodge sliders without running.. i think it is doable

[molten pine]

Im glad the harvester is such a problem considering how rare it is

Theres a potential good reward for killing it too

Not that you should go after it with the killing purpose

[opal bluff]

He'd not be so annoying if the sliders didn't get buffed

But now sliders are tanky

Which is good

Also, he is fast

It definitelly makes me want to avoid him, even with the reward, so i think you did well

I'd likely kill him only with 9x39 or something like a scar

[distant arrow]

tanky as in how many headshots?

i've not come across them on stalker mod yet

[molten pine]

headshots melt sliders

and they dont move around very much so theyre pretty easy to headshot

[opal bluff]

2/3 shotgun shells point blank in the head

[molten pine]

Shotguns are a bit unreliable for damage calculation

I wish I could change the way enemies hear sounds but thats beyond the scope of modding

I think itd be better if it was literally a radius

You fire and based on X volume, it attracts Y distance

Thatd be a lot healthier than what we have now

Though I suppose with long distances, it could be messy

Maybe you also calculate it around the shot location

[opal bluff]

Yup, it is wonky atm. I noticed that to attract enemies in factory, i had to fire exactly 3 times for the shotgun. Second and third did not work for some reason

[molten pine]

Yeah its bizzare

I kind of wish Stalker could just be a vr game itself

It has great AI surprisingly

Its so bizzare how a game that garbage can have such amazing AI calculations, then also have the dumbest AI at the same time

Stalker AI is a literal spectrum from "the best ai ive seen in any fps game" to "this guy is lobotomized"

[opal bluff]

Also, i had this 1 guy whom simply did not want to move when i did more noise with a shotgun (i saw him behind a corner). I throw a granade to kill some enemies and THEN he moves

It's very weird what is going on. I was trying to get it, but i don't

I wonder if where they are looking affects their hearing actually..

As he had his back turned to me

[opal bluff]

That honestly sounds as a fairly good ai tbh, expecially for how old that game is

[molten pine]

Maybe

[molten pine]

Some of the best AI in a shooter, if not the best

Its so open ended

Youll usually have them behaving rather normal

But then one guy out of nowhere does this glowing brain genius shit

And it makes you sit back and go "wow, thats so good"

And thats on top of the a-life system

It runs all the ai systems across the entire gameworld for dynamic and unscripted events

Vladmir Goblinski at the top of the map has a delivery mission to the bottom of the map and Gabonkle Boshi wants you to kill him, not a story quest either, just dynamically calculated

On the way, Vladmir fights some bandits and gets killed by a mutant dog.

Garbonkle considers that a mission success, but before you collect payment, he is attacked by a mutant and gets friendly fired by another guy.

And this is so dynamic youd never get this to happen in another 1000 playthroughs.

Thats the a-life system

Stalker 2 will have it too

[opal bluff]

That sounds so fun. Thanks for the heads up

[timber mauve]

Except bandit AI in SoC like you said below

What would be funny if the AI gets better the further inward you go into the zone, plus the AI gets better or worse depending on their "rank" which already happens

[opal bluff]

Really? Their rank affects how smart they do stuff as well?

[narrow dagger]

Hey, I have no modding experience. But i can learn. Now I would like to actually see something with the Altyn helmet.

Is it possible to either remove the glass, or the whole helmet from the Stalker overhaul mod ?

[molten pine]

In Stalker, yes

[molten pine]

I asked the guy who made the helmet if we could figure out how to do this but unfortunately he wasnt available to do so and im not in the habit of pestering him

Think of it like a risk reward

[narrow dagger]

Thank you for responding, and even asking the guy it's nice :D Thank you for the mod too !

[heady crane]

Not sure if this would work or not, but imo, it could probably be done by a function of shot location to enemy. Could be taxing, but I'm thinking it'd take a coord of the shot, then check that against the coord of any given enemy, and volume changes the distance of detection. Could even do a line between the two points for a occlusion check (walls, indoors) to reduce activation distance

[opal bluff]

From what i tested, it is not as simple as "if enemy hears noise, go there"

[opal bluff]

.

Oh wait. The 1.6 patchnotes adressed this

[heady crane]

Just spitballing here, not sure how ITR does it

It probably wouldn't work with a "hear this, go here" system, you'd probably need to do a seperate "searching" AI for each enemy type that'd activate whenever it hears a shot/sound

[opal bluff]

What confuses me is why it seems the AI needs to hear a noise multiple times to be attracted to it

It really messed up with my tests

[heady crane]

Could be an intentional "grace" the devs programmed in, to make the AIs a little less sensitive. Or, could have been a glitch patched in the latest beta, haven't played it yet but patchnotes say AI has been improved across the board

But hard agree about the Stalker AI, it's def one of the best, aside from the absolutely braindead companions lmao

Altho from what I understand, a lot of braindead companion issues comes from the companion AI just straight up crashing all the time

[opal bluff]

Yes! I am excited for new ITR ai.. alldoh it was pretty good to begin with

[rough badger]

Hi there, awesome mod so much fun. But i would like to customise it a little for myself. I would like to change the armor value from 30 to 50, and to lock the weapons access until special mission is complete. Which files should i look for? I cant find these values to mod, thanks

[molten pine]

Armor values are in iteminfos and locking weapon access would require changing every weapon's security level to be 1 through 5, which would also be in iteminfos.

[distant arrow]

In the beta I’ve noticed the shot gun mimics no longer shoot you from a mile away. They zig zag and rush you from pretty far away. Not sure if it’ll be adjusted but that’s an observation I’ve made so far in 2.6

[rough badger]

Thanks for the reply. I checked DT_ItemInfos.uasset file and compared with original and nothing is different. The file extracted from the mod has the same params as the one from tha base pak. Any clues?

[molten pine]

It's not the original, that's the file. .uassets and .uexp's are opened together.

[rough badger]

Ok, check this. This is the info file from the mod pak. It has the PlayerLevelRequired thing, but in the game the entire stock is unlocked

Maybe another file does the trick

?

[molten pine]

Don't use Fmodel for that

Its loading the original version of the file and not the edited version because theyre both likely in the same directory

[rough badger]

You are right, now i see the modded file info

Thanks

[opal bluff]

Good news

I wonder what else they changed

From videos, i've noticed that mimics seem to try and care for their life more (such as dodging, and looking for cover) as well

[molten pine]

When the new update drops

Im gonna have a hell of a time getting it all updated

😵‍💫

It might be a while

[austere sparrow]

Do you think we'll be able to continue our current saves?

[distant arrow]

tempted to load my stalker save in the beta

see what happens 👀 +

[opal bluff]

You need to redoit all over again?

[molten pine]

Probably most of it.

[opal bluff]

Man, that's a pain

[radiant trellis]

Pain

ITR is unfortunately unplayable without the mod now

[austere sparrow]

I completely agree. This really makes the game for me.

[molten pine]

I have an old version of the game saved

So hopefully

I should be able to compare the old version of the game to the new version

And if god permits

Ill see which files need to be redone

Because im gonna have to literally redo most of the work

[formal smelt]

@molten pine ik this is kinda a long shot but can you point me in the direction of making weapons and attachments spawn able in other areas?

[molten pine]

Oh yeah sure. You'd just have to extract the loot tables into the .json text format, then set up unreal editor 4.27 with the project name IntoTheRadius, follow the instructions in the pinned mod thread as it has all the tools you need as well as instructions. Once 4.27 is set up (you'll have to do some extra work yourself due to the ITR unreal editor project files being outdated), you'll have to convert the json file to be formatted properly (also in the guides) so it can be imported into the editor without issue... Then you just have to set it up to package the files properly once youre done making the changes you want, then you package those .uasset files back into a .pak and your changes should be all set.

Simple, really.

[formal smelt]

ah i think i found the right loot files?

[molten pine]

Yeah

[formal smelt]

which one is the first map you spawn at?

[molten pine]

Buffer is Pervomay Pass

[formal smelt]

ah

[molten pine]

Construct is Balotky Village

The rest are self explanatory

[formal smelt]

thank youuuu

[deep bronze]

Stalker works fine in the beta. I have been running it no problem

[molten pine]

No perceivable problems*

Actually dare I say

The mod will run fine

Its the game itself underneath that might have issues

Any beta changes are being overwritten by my mod if they share the same file and thus, you may not be feeling or seeing them all.

[deep bronze]

Extract the vanilla ones you are worried about and send them to me in DMs. Ill extract them from the vanilla beta, convert them all to json, and stick them in winmerge

see exactly what the differences are

[molten pine]

I already have that

Im waiting for the actual update to do all that

[deep bronze]

Any differences so far?

[distant arrow]

I’ve taken a stroll through all of the maps on 2.6 beta both with and without the mod. The new changes seem to still be working quite fine in addition to the randomness of their spawn locations. All seems to be playing nice so far for me 🤘🏼

[distant arrow]

btw if your mod truly causes more enemies to aggro from other mimics shooting then I can also confirm that works perfectly in the beta

[timber mauve]

yeah

for example a recruit from the military would be dumb as fuck but an officer would know what he's doing and play tactically

[opaque ingot]

Would you guys recommend doing a stalker mod play though on the beta or go back to the older version?

[distant arrow]

It seems to be working well on my end but I’m not sure about the inner workings of the mod.

[opaque ingot]

ok thanks

[molten pine]

@distant arrow @opaque ingot okay so let me try to explain the issue

The mod itself should work fine 99% of the time on the beta or new version

The issues come in when they say, add a new item

That item list gets overwritten by my item list and thus, the new item doesnt work

This will apply to any file updated in the beta

That my mod has already overwritten

So the mod will see next to no changes, but the new version will fuck up a bit

[distant arrow]

when you say fuck up a bit, you mean their new A.I? or actual loot items?

[molten pine]

I don't know.

So I'll be clear once again

any file updated in the beta

will be using the old version of that file, which was then edited by me

So, just for an example: The item list is going to be using the old version of the game, with my edits

as opposed to the new version with my edits

so if they added in a new item, it would not appear

This goes across any file they have updated that my mod edits

[distant arrow]

ok I understand, I'll keep playing without the mod to make sure I see all the new stuff. TY

[opaque ingot]

Yup thanks. I understand now.

[opal bluff]

Have you noticed that a guy on youtube made a playtrought of your mod on nightmare? @molten pine

Not sure if you cared, but yea. I am amazed someone can proceed so smoothly in that mess.

Well, just 3 episodes sadly. But still

[opal bluff]

Question, what does "weapon shot damage" change? Damage from mimics? And does it stack with enemy damage?

[molten pine]

Uhhh

Im not sure

[molten pine]

Npcs dont have weapon shot damage

[opal bluff]

Oh, well that helps

I am trying your mod on nightmare now

Aaand i am dying a lot, as you can guess

[opal bluff]

Do you know if subsonic ammo still reduces noise made in your mod?

[molten pine]

Probably

I didnt see a value to change in any of the files I edited

So its likely unchanged

[opal bluff]

sweet, i'll go take a look at the normal chart to see if it has any value change there

so far, i've managed to get the film on your mod with nightmare difficulty.

not sure how far i'll be able to go before i just get overwhelmed

also, is your mod outdated? I happened to find aregen artifact (and another one) in a weapon crate in factory for some reason

[molten pine]

Are you playing the beta?

[opal bluff]

Nope

The latest "normal" version

[molten pine]

Then its not outdated.

[opal bluff]

Ah, guess that's in the loot table then

[opal bluff]

holy crap i just managed to clear the first area with nightmare settings and got myself a g18c, the only part not clear is trainyard (no way i'm going in there)

i'm so not ready for village

that was about 300 9x18 fmj rounds

[opal bluff]

Well, i got village done too. I learnt that, if you intend to lure enemies away:

• pull their agro with your gun first, shoot at least 2 bullets or they won't agro
• make sure no one sees you, and chuck a granade away from your location. They'll be attracted to it
• do not make any loud noise afterwards, unless you want the entire map to come after you

I cleared village that way, and then ran with 2 knifes for the random enemies that stood behind

Mostly seekers, spawns and phantoms. The mimics fell for it (there wete like 20 just chilling in a place)

God this will be impossible once 2.6 comes around and enemies follow you in buildings

...unless you get good enough to knife seekers, spawns and fragments quickly

[opal bluff]

Btw @molten pine is there anywhere you know where we can find a rod?

[molten pine]

I think its a low chance everywhere. No telling when the next update is but I am sure I could increase the chance of it slightly.

[opal bluff]

i see, np. There are a few set locations apparently, so it should not be an issue

[opal bluff]

just cleared parvomary on nightmare for the second time and got a SKS with a PU scope, this is looking good

i've never been so excited to find a "low tier" gun

i just wish we knew by how much subsonic ammo reduces noise, but apparently no one knows that

[molten pine]

Nobody knows.

[opal bluff]

Guessed as much. From an educated guess, it seems to be about half. I can shoot my SKS and i lure about as many enemies as i would with my FMJ gsh-18

I did not notice any crazy difference if i use subsonic on the GSH-18. I believe this is because the value on these is low to begin with.

[opal bluff]

i officially declare getting past village goddamn difficult

i've been trying, even with an SKS and PU scope now, but man you can't find a way in to go and get the tape. I will probably just run with stims after i clear village

[molten pine]

When Nightmare difficulty is a nightmare

[opal bluff]

i'll get it at some point

parvomary is a lot more doable because you can sit at the 1st little bunker thing and shoot everyone at max range

i just need to figure out how to enter village safely tbh. I think i may have a good chance by going on the outskirt of construction site

but yea, i got some plans

[opaque ingot]

does the Fog Distance Changer mod work with stalker ?

[molten pine]

It should????

Don't quote me on that.

[opaque ingot]

ok thanks im going to start a stalker playthu

what is the recommended difficulty ?

[molten pine]

Normal

but you can also play on Reduced

they're both intended

Nightmare is a hellscape of torture and destruction

Normal is HARD.

Reduced is still kind of hard, but much easier.

[opaque ingot]

ok thanks for answering. It is so cool to be able to talk to the person who made the mod. And before i set off any tips ??

[distant arrow]

Try not to die

There a sniper sometimes in the woods to the right of pervomay entrance lol

[opal bluff]

Expect the worse. I once had the harvester spawning really close to the entrance of pervomary, yesterday i had a swat mimic there.

And even sliders, alldoh these are less of an issue.

Because using silencers is expensive, consider that lower calibers are quieter, and subsonic ammo helps even further if you need it for higher calibers

[molten pine]

So many interesting scenarios

though, I saw a really good review of my mod on the nexus comments.

The issue with my mod is that it exposes a lot of vanilla game problems that you wouldn't notice

like how a lot of cover is either too big or too small, world collision is really bad, AI doing things they shouldn't

it's like I pushed the game to it's limit and it can't really keep up

[opal bluff]

Yea the cover issue is what is keeping me stuck in village at the moment

As i am still trying to figure out how to go about it

The AI being funny is fairly known, you even have times they go trought walls or shoot you trought one

Hell even see you trought one at times.

[molten pine]

Rub your gun against the cover

See where it collides

[opal bluff]

Oh that's what you mean

Yea the cover in this game is very unintuitive. I'll tell you one you'd never guess. The ropes of the shortcut from village

Almost the entire bottom part is cover

From where the rope is

I died that way once

Besides rubbing the gun, you can also use a laser to go against it

[molten pine]

Yeah.

[opal bluff]

Good news is 2.6 ai got improvements

So we'll see how that helps

[opal bluff]

1 thing i love about your mod and high settings is that i am being forced to master guns that i never even used in the first place. I had to become really good at landing shots with both PM and GSH18 to clear out the entire parvomary (it took about 300 rounds), and now i am in a similiar learning process for the SKS and PU scope

It feels great when you get really good at a gun, and you make even "low tier" guns perform extremely well

In the base game, i always have a gun that outperforms my needs cause of stashes, and P+ being really strong.

And because the enemies scale up, compared to me dealing with swat mimics with a pm in pervomary

It's such a different feel to the game, and it brings up problems i have to solve that i never had in the base game.

[molten pine]

STALKER is largely the same

Sometimes all you get is the makarov and Toz-34 (double barrel)

sometimes all you get is some dinky piece of shit

but STALKER almost entirely follows the logic of "guns are a bullet shooter"

a gun firing one caliber is going to mostly do the same damage as another gun in the same caliber

because that's how guns work

ITR is very strange in its damage model (vanilla)

Upgraded guns just "shoot harder"?????

[opal bluff]

About that, can you advise me which stalker i should play if i want to try it out?

I saw like 3 different ones

[molten pine]

So

STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl is the oldest

Clear Skies is (dont play that one)

and Call of Pripyat is the most put together game out of them all but doesn't have as much content

it does have the best mod though, being Gunslinger, which has a lot of love and quality put into it while preserving the original feel

aside from those 3 games

there is also STALKER Anomaly

Anomaly is what I could call a "stand alone free stalker game"

but instead of having a story and narrative, it's mostly a sandbox that you then put mods ontop of

STALKER Anomaly has a modpack for it called GAMMA that's very well put together all things considered.

So:

-Shadow of Chernobyl
-Clear Skies (dont)
-Call of Pripyat
-- COP: Gunslinger
-Anomaly
-- Anomaly: GAMMA

If you want to get an authentic view of the game, I would recommend playing SoC or CoP with Gunslinger installed.

If you want to play it for free and have a good time

I recommend getting Anomaly and installing GAMMA

Anomaly feels a bit empty by itself

but I have to warn you, GAMMA kind of expects you to know whats going on

so you'll really have to like

hunker down and be patient and expect failure

[opal bluff]

I see, thank you for the descriptions

Also i must know something for your mod

Did you buff the BTR?

[molten pine]

I buffed the damage yes

and probably the sight/hearing

other than that, not much TO buff

[opal bluff]

Oh boy, i'm already finding mostly armoured gunners in factory as it is

That'll be fun to figure out, if i get there

[molten pine]

The BTR is mostly the same

You really shouldn't notice much of a difference from vanilla if you treated it how I did

on my vanilla playthrough, I was kind of underwhelmed with the BTR

I played it safe and stayed hidden and it never even saw me or shot at me a single time

ever

[opal bluff]

Same here, it barely noticed me too

[molten pine]

in my STALKER playthrough, I played it a bit riskier than I did on vanilla

and I got shot probably 3 or 4 times separately

never died though

so just pretend its really scary and youll be fine

[opal bluff]

Sounds good. Do you know what's the higest tier of guns i can find in parvomary? I'm trying to figure out a plan for that voice recorder

And village as well would interest me, if you know at the top of your head.

I already know factory cause you said it a while ago

[molten pine]

The M4A1 is probably the rarest gun in Pervomay

but you can find all of the high tier pistols including the deagle.

You can also find the AKs.

But not the AK74M

[opal bluff]

Oh that's really good info

I assume village is like sec3 and 4 guns in that case

And factory from sec3 to sec5

Makes sense, thanks

[molten pine]

Yeah, it's totally viable to farm out Pervomay if you're struggling

not that Pervomay is easy

but it's certainly

easier

[opal bluff]

I'd call it "doable". Village doesn't even feel doable, for now

In parvomary, you can sit on top of the bunker

And blast everyone by luring them

As they can't hit you that well

Clearing the strugglers still needs some planning however

Village needs some creativity. The last time, i lured everyone in a hole with a combo of shotgun + 1 nade, and then bombarded them

That was to get the documents..

But that's good info, now i know that i can farm pervomary a tad for better gear first.

[molten pine]

For clarity

My method for doing the Village is generally to run into the garage of the one house and hide behind the car

and blast every single thing alive until they stop walking towards me

I spent about 150 buckshot there once

[opal bluff]

Mmh

That may work actually

Till 2.6 drops that is

Ty for the advice

[opal bluff]

i have like 8 hours on this single save and i've still not managed to get any double barrel somehow. Time to scale things up and learn how to clear factory or village with these settings.. and an sks

[opal bluff]

i'll actually try your method for village if i can't find anything else, i'm hesitant only because it won't work anymore when 2.6 drops

[molten pine]

Technically speaking

it probably will

it'll just have problems

[opal bluff]

i'd assume that you'd get overrun on nightmare

given that they can run in now

maybe if you have a saiga i guess, so reloading does not hold you back

[opaque ingot]

just finished my first time trying it

at first i was like this seems normal maybe a few more spawns then normal

then i found a db shotgun inside the first brown crate

then when i was doing the first mison that's not the tutorial i had to fight thu like 7 Fragment 3 of them where armored

then when i finally got to the place after dyeing twice i found not one but 2 armored seekers

maybe dident help that im playing on ironman mode

that and i found out the scar is 55k

[rotund nexus]

hey im debating trying this mod, though im fairly new to itr in general, should i wait to try this mod out?

[dawn ingot]

have you beaten the base game?

[rotund nexus]

no

[dawn ingot]

you should do that first

[rotund nexus]

ok

i just was planning on modding the game and this seemed like a good all in one

[dawn ingot]

ot makes the game much harder

[rotund nexus]

guess i'll just get the scavenger mod and call it a day

[dawn ingot]

it also changes the playstyle a ton

[rotund nexus]

i see

[dawn ingot]

again i would recommend modless

[rotund nexus]

ok

[molten pine]

Yeah my mod is very difficult

[opal bluff]

i also advise moddless first

neither scavenger or stalker

if for some reason you really want to use one, i do not advise stalker at all as it randomizes things and gets rid of the "safe progression" the base game has.

both scavenger and stalker are nice once you feel bored of the base game and want to mix things up, but the base game is designed just fine

[molten pine]

2.6 is out and updating this mod will be done, but it will likely take some time as this is far from my first priority.

I appreciate people who like and play my mod, but I am rather busy so I apologize for the delay that will likely occur.

[opal bluff]

Any clue on what to do with saves we have from the previous version? I was thonking of leaving them there till you update the mod, but i am not sure if that'd work

[plucky jolt]

I thought Stalker was breaking the game by causing a crash but it seems it’s the Holo Edit (turns holo sights green) despite it being a very simple change. The mod does currently work with 2.6 from what i played earlier. Is it suggested to disable until it’s updated or should it work OK?

[buoyant pond]

Amored slider when?

[fringe drum]

It's actually doable.
Copy the Slider entry in the enemy DT, set "isarmored" to "True" and give it a new gameplayTag to add it to spawn lists.
buuuut. It would look like a normal Slider (armored variants use a dedicated skeletal mesh with the armor added)

[wraith loom]

I had the mod installed on 2.6, and not a single mimic spawned, even after I uninstalled it, I would stay away from it, for now.

[zinc cedar]

armored spawn when

[distant arrow]

Chuck mentioned it was not compatible with the beta so until it gets updated it will cause a crash.

[plucky jolt]

Yeah I hadn’t seen any mimics but I thought it was just luck in Pobeda. I’m trying to decide if cheesing it so I can make it through this damn Ironman run is worth it, or if I just uninstall for now. (Doing Ironman on a stalker run was a wild choice on my part).

[plucky jolt]

Again I had no crashes but haven’t seen a mimic since the update. All other enemies seem to be fine (haven’t seen the harvester since my first run so that could be screwed to though).

[distant arrow]

Stalker won’t cause crash I was talking about the holo edit

[molten pine]

Hello, quick update.
Yes I will be updating the mod to the new ITR version, no it will not be a very quick process. On top of not having time for it, its very time consuming to begin with and a lot of the work I spent days or weeks on will need to be redone from scratch, depending on what files were updated.

It will be updated and thank you for caring. DM me for any questions.

[worthy light]

Yippie future update

[radiant trellis]

Love you ziggy

[molten pine]

[molten pine]

Really sad news

It looks like in order to update this mod, I would have to redo just about everything.

Here's the official update to this.

I used WinMerge to inspect and compare the files to eachother from Build 2.5.1 to Build 2.6 and it appears that I would have to redo nearly all of the work that was done before, the things that I spent upwards of 40 hours working on, of plugging in numbers and going through every value. Everything is written down on the spreadsheet, sure, but it's all time that I really can't commit to doing.

If anyone is interested in taking over or anything, please let me know, but I just can't sit here like that again, I simply do not have the time.

We need mod tools.

That said, I won't leave outright.

I will very shortly be providing doccuments outlining the file differences between 2.5.1 and 2.6 as well as all the files in my mod that would need updating.

The following file archive is the collection of differences between 2.5.1 and 2.6 organized into an HTML format using WinMerge.
WARNING: The 7zip archive is 162 megabytes but when extracted will be larger than 2GB.

The following archive is the unpacked version of my mod. All changes are viewable on the spreadsheet available here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feMdYvjWVPTD41sqWfN7P4iD60LM5RORJJRGIWpIITI

From my brief investigation, it looks like even some of the art assets like the helmet have different model paths now, so an incredible amount of things would need to be updated, I think, but I'm frankly overwhelmed just looking at it.

I may return to this when mod tools are added, but I just can't handle this workload on top of everything else I am doing.

[opal bluff]

Mmh.. if someone randomizes the enemies, we can add scavenger for a similiar experience

So we leave out guns balancing and randomizing all the loot again

[molten pine]

That was the longest and most difficult part.

[opal bluff]

how many hours do you recon that'd take?

[molten pine]

It took me 3 or 4 days, with help, working anywhere between 10 and 16 hours.

Per day.

[opal bluff]

oh no, i'm talking just the enemy randomizing

at least, i hope you missunderstood

cause if you didn't, that's scary stuff

[molten pine]

And I am saying that.

You need to understand.

Each enemy spawn point has 1 to 3 enemies on it.

I manually added like 28 to each one, theres 20 to 40 nodes, depending on the map.

So thats 28 x 5 x 20/40 (give or take)

and then

you have to manually type in each enemy that spawns there onto each one.

[distant arrow]

So when I tested the mod on B1 was it just an old tide that made me believe it was all working? 👀

[molten pine]

No.

If you install the mod, it will definitely function, it's not like the game won't work at all

but it likely won't work as intended, it will have side effects on both the mod side and the game side.

[misty gate]

Thank you for all your hard work on the previous version, Ziggy. It was an awesome experience (and still is!)
Nobody blames you for not wanting to do it all again from scratch just because we don't have modding tools ❤️

Absolute legend.

[opal bluff]

Wow, i see.
Still appreciate that you did it for 2.5.1 as it was fun to play

Hell i may find a way to revert to 2.5.1 sometime just to replay it

[molten pine]

Thank you.

[hushed moss]

so im trying to look through this but can't read the .umap files. what program do i need to read them?

[hushed moss]

i just figured out i can open them in asset editor

[hushed moss]

Any chance you can write up a quick guide on changing the enemy spawns? Either that or join a call so i can ask you a shit ton of questions? The existing guides only really cover visual changes

[molten pine]

You're gonna want to open the monster files in the zone level folders. Im on my phone but I believe its...

Itr/config/levels/zone/<area>/

From there, there are monster spawn nodes and you'll have to manually add in entries into that and then fill in every entry.

[hushed moss]

Ive manager to get to looking at the monster files in assetEditot, but i cant figure out how add additional monsters to each node

I also have no idea how you figured out which node is where

[molten pine]

If you need an example, I recommend downloading the stalker mod itself and extracting it.

The files are unpacked so you can see what I did.

And yeah, we dont know which node is where.

I believe I did this as efficently as I could and it still took me 3 or 4 days with an assistant.

[hushed moss]

Is assetEditor the only way to view and modify the .umap files?

[hushed moss]

I think thats what I've already done. I have your file on the left and the file from 2.6 on the right. I can't just add another row though so im struggling to understand how you actually add new monsters to the spawner

Is it not possible to edit it in a similar form to the way its shown in Fmodel?

[molten pine]

No

[molten pine]

You're using the wrong program I thinlk

youre supposed to use uassetgui

[austere sparrow]

Is it possible to revert to the previous update, to continue playing with your mod? The new 2.6 additions are nice, but your mod is what has truly made the game for me.

[hushed moss]

i switched to uassetgui but i still have the same problem in that I can look at stuff but have no idea how to actually add things

nevermind. i think i figured it out

wow. so i can barely even copy and paste from your previous work. It actually has to be done from scratch

[molten pine]

yes

[hushed moss]

wow. i understand why you'd choose not to go through that.

[molten pine]

a second time*

[hushed moss]

whats the serial offset here? I notice its N/A in new entries I add but all of your entries have a number

[molten pine]

I dont think you put one in

save the file

[hushed moss]

ahh. youre right. filled in the second i saved

are there any specific spawners you know just for testing purposes?

also does the harvester work as is or did you have to make changes to it?

[molten pine]

Roadhouse on buffer

is that building in the center of the map with the two floors and roof

[hushed moss]

alright. and are the monsterSpawners the only thing you had to change in the monsters .umap files?

[hushed moss]

It also looks like you made changes to an "alternativeMonstersMax" property here and there. what does this do?

[molten pine]

If you don't have this on, it will spawn all of them

at once

[hushed moss]

so the number is the max number that will spawn at once?

[hushed moss]

so even having added "alternativeMonstersMax" and setting it to 1 or 2 on everything, I'm having enemies spawn like crazy

oddly enough, its spawning far more than just one of every type

[austere sparrow]

You've created a warzone.

[molten pine]

Ohhh

Okay so for this problem, this was something specific.

A few of the spawns on buffer don't work properly.

It also depends on your difficulty setting.

If you go onto "easy" for example and you have alternate monsters set to 1, easy would subtract the monster count by 1, setting it to 0.

For other spawns, this works fine.

For some of the spawns in Buffer, it will spawn every enemy on the spawn point.

It might be a good idea to identify which ones cause this and remove the enemies from it entirely if you're worried about it. I should also be clear that I never checked every spawn in the game for this, I just never saw it be a problem outside of Buffer.

[opal bluff]

I'd go here with god mode on with 2 big ppsh with dram mags and dual wield them

If there even is a mod for god mode

[hushed moss]

Interesting. I guess this is probably what led you to overhauling difficulty?

I think the first thing ill try is setting the alternate monsters above 1 everywhere. Itll make quite abit more enemy dense but it seems like the easiest fix

[molten pine]

I think the harder option is the correct one here.

You probably want to identify which spawns are the problem

And treat those ones specifically rather than blanket increase the population by 1

Thats a lot of enemies you add

You go from basically 20 per map to 40 per map

[hushed moss]

Fair enough. You sure it waent just every spawn that had only 1 monster? When i walked through it was alot of places

And is the difficultly overhaul how you fixed it? Because all ive done is copy your spawn tables

[molten pine]

What difficulty are you playing on

For population

[hushed moss]

I tested on easy preset

[molten pine]

Try out different difficulties and youll see it

[hushed moss]

yeah i just did a quick test and you were right.

but the question still stands: you didnt account for these weird spawns on reduced in your original spawn tables, so how did you deal with it?

ahh i was right. you did just fix the problem by removing the decreased enemy count setting

[hushed moss]

im around two thirds of the way through pervomay now. I'm hoping I can finish pervomay by the end of this weekend. If anyone here wants to help I'm happy to show you the workflow. It's not difficult at all if youre just replicating ziggy's work. just super repetitive.

[molten pine]

Exactly.

[molten pine]

In my case, I didn't have all that time to work on it so I had to kind of "mash" making this mod, which is why I did all of it in like 3 days and even paid someone to help me.

[hushed moss]

Im trying to set up a macro to do it faster.

[hushed moss]

pervomay is done. if i can't get the macro set up the rest will take significantly longer because I do have a full time job and a life lol

[molten pine]

Exactly

[hushed moss]

My macro is working. I can possibly finish all of the today now lol

[molten pine]

Oh sick

[hushed moss]

if youre curious, im using mini-mouse-macro to automate all the clicks and running it at 40X speed. So now its around a minute per node instead of like 5-10 minutes per node

it only really works because im assuming you made every node the same

[hushed moss]

Bolotoki is done!

[hushed moss]

factory done

[opal bluff]

jesus christ

[hushed moss]

kolkoz done

[distant arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nipples-gif-18634175

[hushed moss]

Annnnnd Castle is done.

@molten pine here's the updated source files for v2.6. I've also included the reduced enemy count difficultly change but havent touched any other difficultly changes. The rest of the stuff in the mod seems like it would be significantly harder for me to follow your steps so hopefully having this done makes updating the rest of it less overwhelming.

If anyone want's to play with randomized enemies, here is the .pak file. This should be compatible with scavenger mod so you can combine the two for a similar experience to stalker overhaul. Just be aware I havent tested this much so there could be bugs

[opal bluff]

Yoo this is crazy. Thank you a lot @hushed moss @molten pine

did you keep it as ziggly did it?

[hushed moss]

yeah i just copied the exact values.

ziggy did all the hard work when they created it. I've just made macros that let me make mass changes in 1 hour instead of in 10 hours. I can't fathom how ziggy did all that work manually before

[opal bluff]

I've always been amazed by mod comunities. At times, you get a single guy making hours upon hours of content. In other games too,

look at rimworld and minecraft for instance

it's also why i am quite excited that we'll get mod tools at some point

imagine how crazy this will get once we can add our own enemies and weapons

[molten pine]

I just did

I sat at my PC for 12 to 16 hours for 3 days straight and just did it

[molten pine]

I'll see about updating the rest of it if I find the time. Thanks for doing this at least.

[opal bluff]

This doesn't mess with difficulty settings, right?

[opal bluff]

@fringe drum do you think this may have problems with your mod?

In theory, it shouldn't considering they affect 2 different things

[fringe drum]

It won't. My mod doesn't affect enemies in any way.

[hushed moss]

I player it with scav yesterday and had no issues. The only difficulty setting I changed was removing the reduced enemy count setting because that causes major issues with spawning.

As far as i can tell scav doesnt touch difficultly settings

[hushed moss]

I may take a look at loot changes at some point too but ill let you know if i decide to do it cause id rather not duplicate work

[opal bluff]

what i meant is, Ziggy changed the settings compared to the base game in his mod

So like, higly increased was like 1.5x instead of the normal x2 in the base game (i may be getting the numbers wrong doh) for damage and hp

i was wondering if you changed these as well to adjust the difficulty basically

Oh nvm i think you replied to that already and i missunderstood

[hushed moss]

Yeah no i didnt add any if those (although those changes wouldnt take long to make). All i did was replace decreased enemy count with increased enemy count to prevent a bug

[hushed moss]

@molten pine is it okay with you if i upload the randomized enemy spawns as a standalone mod on nexus?

[molten pine]

Yeah absolutely.

[hushed moss]

alright just uploaded it.

[pulsar forge]

haven't played ITR for a few months, has there been any new updates / content added to this mod?

[opal bluff]

it got fucked by 2.6

stuchoo remade the enemy randomizer however

so that got updated to 2.6, everything else didn't

you can add scavenger mod for a similiar experience

the difficulty did not get changed either (which i prefer)

i also quite like how scavenger's loot pool was done, it feels right

[pulsar forge]

oh okay, will this mod (stalker overhaul) be updated later down the line for 2.6?

edit: if not, i'll just be playing on previous updates as the stalker overhaul mod made the game 10 times better imo lol

[pulsar forge]

oh and also, is everything else bugged too or was it just the spawns? (little bit of a confusion)

[opal bluff]

i strongly advise to try 2.6, as it makes the game much more fun thanks to the new AI

also, the game overall looks nicer

it wasn't Ziggy who updated it

[opal bluff]

.

[pulsar forge]

yeah i saw a little preview a few weeks ago, will give it a try on a new save probably

[opal bluff]

it's quite different for enemies AI

the fact they go inside buildings is scary now. They try to flank you, to play together, they use cover more, they go at their optimal shooting ranges, hold angles..

overall just smarter

scav mod can be used to randomize loot (it's very well done, i'm playing with it right now)

[pulsar forge]

awh man, god damn

that's really upsetting

[opal bluff]

it's a bit less generous compared to what ziggly did

as ziggly's mod was meant to be played with random enemies, scavenger is with normal enemies

[pulsar forge]

yeah I remember the scav mod, was choosing between playing with that or Stalker overhaul (eventually chose for stalker as it seemed cooler towards my gameplay focus)

[opal bluff]

but it's still playable, you can add in the random enemies stuchoo updated for a similiar vibe

[pulsar forge]

is that mod compatible with scav?

[opal bluff]

yup

[pulsar forge]

awesome

[opal bluff]

just be mindfull stuchoo only updated the numbers, so there may be bugs and all that

not much playtesting

[pulsar forge]

ah that's fine

[opal bluff]

be mindfull 2.6 is much harder AI wise too

when you set your difficulty

i played on nightmare for stalker, on scavenger, i am not going past increased IN the normal game

[pulsar forge]

mine is either normal or low, I don't remember (but that was when playing with stalker overhaul)

it's my first save soo.. still pretty new

though I have about.. 40 hours of playtime? not sure haven't played ITR in a few months (my gunstock broke, don't like playing fps games or gun games in general without it)

[pulsar forge]

yeah i remember you telling me that quite some time ago lol

respect for that since when I was playing on normal / increased I died 20 times when doing the first mission (though it was my first playthrough at that time so)

[hushed moss]

Ive been playing through and haven’t encountered any major bugs yet. The only minor issue ive found so far is that in pervomay you can get melee enemies in the tower and top of roadhouse spots

I might have time to fix that today after work.

My biggest concern is that technically the harvester can spawn now but i have no idea what ziggy did to the harvester and whether it actually works as is. Its something i may also try to test today

[molten pine]

@pulsar forge I may update it in the future but I am not given the luxury of time.

[molten pine]

I made it spawn sliders and gave it more health. All of my changes were made with eachother in mind.

[pulsar forge]

that's okay! do it whenever you feel like it, no rush

[molten pine]

Gun damage went up so enemy health also went up, for example.

Every change I ever made in the mod is doccumented.

[pulsar forge]

i can just convert back to the previous update anyway, if I were to dislike not playing with it (a lot would probably be different since my first playthrough was with stalker overhaul, too used to all the content that the mod provides)

[molten pine]

I made explicit care to make sure everything was all documented in clear organized fashion.

Both for reproducing the mod and for people to see.

The only issue is I didn't expect literally everything to break.

Literally everything

[pulsar forge]

yeah that's highly understandable

i've never really modded any game before, but I could give it a shot sometime (if you were to be unable to update the mod for like, a year or more)

[molten pine]

I would wait for mod tools tbh

Pushing for those instead would be better than taking the plunge.

Using a mod sdk would also be more educational for you to also learn how unreal engine works

[pulsar forge]

is it comfirmed that mod tools are coming in future updates?

[molten pine]

They said they will

Just not when

[pulsar forge]

oh, best to wait for that then

cause like, what if the next update where to break everything again

[hushed moss]

I may take a crack at loot tables or damage tables this weekend cause ill probably have the time. I doubt ill do it if i cant find a way to macro it though

[pulsar forge]

good luck with it!

[twin verge]

would removing security levels from shop be something that would require a lot of work, even if standalone?

[hidden current]

Can't recall what files you'd have to edit but I'm guessing it would be as simple as changing required security level for each item to 0

[hushed moss]

you could probably just open up Saedriss's z_shop_disable_mod from Scavenger Mod and Copy what was done there except set security level to 0 instead of 6

[hidden current]

Yeah I really can't see it being too complicated, maybe just a bit time consuming if it is a case of changing it for each item in the shop

[hushed moss]

thats what macros/autoclickers are for

[hidden current]

I feel a big chunk of programming is trying to automate as much of it as you can

[hushed moss]

Yeah. Im think about making a guide on how to use macros to improve the modding workflow but it seems kinda obvious so idk if its worth the time to make it

[hidden current]

I'd probably make use of it since I'm too lazy to set up such a thing myself while being stubborn enough to just power through it manually

[plucky jolt]

Just been looking through this thread at updates and wanted to hit a couple of notes. First @molten pine thank you for all the work you did to make the original mod, it was clearly a passion project that many of us absolutely appreciated in bringing a very satisfying (while albeit terrifying by design) experience. I 100% understand not wanting to do it all again but very much love that rather than burning it all down you opened it up for others to continue.

[molten pine]

Yeah. I'm not boasting when I say this but explaining, I am currently the largest Chivalry 2 content creator and on top of making youtube videos and streaming 5 days a week or more, I simply don't have reasonable time to dedicate to doing this all again. This was a passion project but I appreciate everyone who liked the mod. Im glad I documented everything and released everything how I did. Maybe when mod tools come back.

[plucky jolt]

I also want to say a deep thank you to @hushed moss for looking into working on this. It’s deeply appreciated that you would take up any part of the project let alone find a way to get so much done on the key component that most of us enjoyed so much. Regardless of if you work on any more than this I and many others are forever grateful.

[hushed moss]

I still may update the whole mod slowly over time. But itll be over a very long time. There are just so many different systems in the mod to update and im very new to ITR modding

[plucky jolt]

If you updated it section by section it would fill the needs of those who liked it but found pieces of it to relentless.

[hushed moss]

The problem is many pieces are made to fit together. For example, the heath , damage and shop changes for the most part wont work as individual pieces

They need to be implemented together to make any sense

[plucky jolt]

I understand. And it’s not boating to explain that you truly busted ass manually creating your mod with the the only compensation being a job well done (which it very much was) and the possible donations via nexus.

[plucky jolt]

No worries. The biggest piece for me personally is the spawn randomizer so the fact that you did that at all is huge.

[shut mauve]

may be out of our capabilities still(but perhaps soon it wont) but you could get chatgpt to find the likely areas that the mod used in the old version and find the likely equivelent in the updated directories and then get it to convert it, leaving u just to clean it up a lil and tweak

although i forsee the character limit getting in the way actually

[hushed moss]

If we could make changes in written code form this would be worlds easier.

[dawn ingot]

@molten pine for the mod, i noticed that there are replacements for Sounds/WaveCue/CTR/Shooter/WhereAreYou/, did you make them silent? because i dont think i changed those with my mod

[molten pine]

I did not

[dawn ingot]

alright i guess i did that then

[molten pine]

Any changes were you, yes

cause I just slapped it in the .pak

[dawn ingot]

ill have to check my mod when i get back home lol

alright

[molten pine]

Also

[dawn ingot]

i was thinkin of helping the other guys update the mod for 2.6, so i guess i gotta update my mod first, if there are any changes to voicelines

[molten pine]

you guys who are updating the mod, you guys are insane

honestly

thank you

To be straight forward, im having some medical and mental issues currently. Like I said before, I'm also the biggest chivalry 2 content creator right now and a 5 month long awaited update is coming out on monday. My days off are monday and tuesday, so I also get to skip my days off because I need to be pumping out videos and streaming all day on top of it.

I've been stressed trying to think about how to even find the time to update this, so you guys doing so is taking a load off my shoulders.

I appreciate it immensely and I'm glad it was received well enough for you to even try and do it.

[dawn ingot]

hope you get better soon man, in the meantime ill help out to get this update out

[molten pine]

I'm getting better each day, just gotta keep working at it.

[hushed moss]

Get well soon man. It just goes to show what a crazy good thing you created

[hushed moss]

If you wanna help we should coordinate to avoid repeating work. Whay exact files would you be updating?

[dawn ingot]

ill probably be working on weapons if nobody is already doing that, damage, pen, all that stuff

[hushed moss]

Okay i havent tiuched that yet. Should we make a spreadsheet or something tracking which files have been updated/are in progress?

I was initially thinking of tackling weapons and/or loot tables this weekend depending on how it goes. Im not home this weekend though so i can only pull what ive already exported

[dawn ingot]

probably, other problem is when one file has a lot of changes from different sections, someones gotta merge them together which will take a while, like the weapons as their cost is set in iteminfos, along with the damage i believe

but im away for a bit so i can work in a few days

[hushed moss]

Yeah weapon damage and cost is in the same place. Ive already updated enemy health and drops

In general, im updating one file at a time and not worry what mechanic I’ve covered unlees im gonna release it as standalone

[fringe drum]

Weapon damages and other stats are set in WeaponInfos

[hushed moss]

But if i do have time to work on it today, ill try to put together a progress spreadsheet

[hushed moss]

I must be misremembering. It was probably just weapon cost, sell price and weapon health and damage wear per shot.

[fringe drum]

Name, weight, durability, description, price -> ItemInfos
Armor penetration -> AmmoInfos
Capacity, ammo used -> AmmoContainterInfos
Everything else (damage, velocity,etc) -> WeaponInfos

[hushed moss]

There was definitly something in therr

[fringe drum]

So you can have a weapon rebalance that is fairly standalone, and compatible with everything else.

[hushed moss]

The stalker weapon rebalance relies on the enemy health changes too

Enemies have like triple the thr health in ziggys mod

[fringe drum]

In that case label is as a "Combat Overhaul" rather than a weapon's one. And package both weapon and npc changes

[dawn ingot]

@hushed moss did you buff enemy health with the enemy randomizer?

[dawn ingot]

relating to this, what we might be able to do (unless overwrites screw this idea over), is make individual paks and include them in the stalker zip, so people can choose which part of the mod they want? may also lead to some confusion or other effects, but i feel like its better than making 20 different separate mods on nexus

[hushed moss]

No. Enemy health is in the same file as enemy drops.
In the enemy drops mod i released, i did not make the health changes but in my working stalkerOverhaul folder, i did make the enemy health changes

And i need to test but the recent update may have bugged the way we do enemy drops. I have to do some testing

[fringe drum]

It would improve readability, but it's up to the people making these to decide
You could even make a fancy fomod installer, with description of the options, etc

example

[hushed moss]

The only problem is that a lot of the features overlap so they wouldnt combine too well.

The shop and the enemy spawns are the only thing that really work as standalone mods. Alot of the rest would interfere with other parts from what ive seen so far

[twin verge]

Those two could be modules then, maybe 2 variants of each relating to different difficulties. Anything else would be apart of the main module?

I wouldn't mind rebalancing the shop for a different kind of play style, basically in my mod I tweaked it so ammo and magazines are relatively affordable and everything else is heavily taxed or has incentive to discover in the zone (if paired with Scavenger)

[austere sparrow]

All of you are legends for undertaking all of this, and I can't thank you enough for carrying on Ziggy's work.

[twin verge]

@molten pine hey man would you be able to tell me what functions are used for allowing certain weapons to fit in the bag? you allowed some smgs to be fit in the backpack from your mod IIRC

[molten pine]

It's in one of the BP files

like BP Holder or BP Backpack or something

Sorry I just streamed for 12 and a half hours I need to go to bed

[twin verge]

BP_Holder_BackPack.uasset ?

[molten pine]

Likely yes.

[dawn ingot]

@twin verge did you upload the shop mod with the same values as the stalker mod

[hushed moss]

Oh no forgot

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vVUYgnVRZICJUK4mynHnpeTfktYiHs9iFilVUO41zEI/edit

[dawn ingot]

cool

[hushed moss]

Progress tracker spreadsheet

[dawn ingot]

i started working on iteminfos, but ill need to know about the prices in the shop mod before i finish, so ill start work on weaponinfos

[hushed moss]

Sounds good. Ill get the levels loot things done next time i have time ti work on this

I really should take time to bugfix the enemy drops tho

[dawn ingot]

we need to coordinate on what files we're editing, if we work on the same files its harder for everyone involved

[hushed moss]

Thats why i made the sheet to help. Thats what the “starter by” tab is for

[dawn ingot]

btw all sound stuff should be fine, unless you saw somewhere it was changed

[hushed moss]

Those files were shipped with the 2.5 version of the mod so i assume something was changed

Its also not in Ziggy’s spreadsheet…

@molten pine did you make changes to mimic sounds? There are a bunch of files relating to that in your shipped mod

[molten pine]

That was solbreaker actually

[twin verge]

Nah I'm taking my own liberties rn but I might upload a """stalker themed""" module if you want. I just don't want to have to maintain a bunch of different versions. I did add ammo and artifact drops instead of artifact and weapon drops. I'm also adding storable weapons in the bag

[dawn ingot]

if your willing, could you do the iteminfos dt? (with all of the changes, as in all the items in-game)

[twin verge]

I'll try to get around to it. I started learning gun rigging last night so I could replace weapons models... But I might just wait for mod tools to do that now

If I edit the params for the stalker values expect it around 12 hours from now

I'll pack the uassets and upload them here so they can be put into a FOMOD

[hushed moss]

Items infos should be relatively quick if you set up an autoclicker/macro for it

[twin verge]

dunno how to do that, i mostly meant 12 hours from now because that's when i'm usually working on mods (i'm NA)

[hushed moss]

I have a small section on it in this guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l9gLr5WKmErWXLGBKGLkUsWQbBfJKDsRoQ6nm4IIDtA/edit?usp=sharing

Its how i did enemy spawns in 5 hours instead of 5 days

[twin verge]

i'll check it out

[hushed moss]

Id say it’s could hop on a call this afternoon and show you but im pretty busy this week and thus can’t cant commit to much modding wise at the moment

[twin verge]

no worries. i don't have much time to actually work on the mods myself, i mostly do it when i can't sleep

[acoustic ginkgo]

Hello @hushed moss sorry if the ping is a bother, saw you taking over the Stalker mod to an extent with the random enemy and enemy drop mods. Any chance you can make a mod that allows us to store the medium guns in our bag? SMGs and Sawn off shotguns? That was such a great QoL for the Stalker mod and would be great addition to a Scavenger playthrough

[hushed moss]

I can look into it.

[acoustic ginkgo]

Thanks!

[twin verge]

i've already added this function to my version of the mod, i can release a standalone version of it if you'd like

sorry to rephrase, i mean the shop terminal overhaul. but i can just upload the changes to a pak for you

[acoustic ginkgo]

Yeah if you could do jsut the backpack as a standalone that be great since terminal change may conflict with Scavenger

[twin verge]

yeah... saedriss doesn't want me making it compatible with his custom weapon variants i guess

give me a bit and i'll upload it

[acoustic ginkgo]

Not sure, heard the custom guns and the shop just has a compatibility issue. Thanks I'll look forward to it!

[twin verge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/intotheradiusvr/mods/168?tab=files You're going to test it for me I suppose, download the Primary Weapon Holder optional file and let me know if it works

[twin verge]

would anyone know if the stalker overhaul adds an additional weapon holster to the backpack, or if another mod does?

[hazy grail]

Iirc stalker expanded the backpack area to include where the sleeping bag was at in 1.0 (under the backpack) but no new weapon holsters.

To my knowledge, there's no mod that adds additional holsters or anything similar

[twin verge]

that's what i was referring to. i'm going to update my mod with the extra backpack area below, alongside the ability to store primary weapons in the bag.

[acoustic ginkgo]

Ok out atm will check when home. As for the bag thing I have another mod that expands bag area

[twin verge]

No worries. I'm going to be updating this mod a lot today it seems.

[opal bluff]

If you're interested, i found what ziggy had in nexus

The backpack thing you were talking about @twin verge

[twin verge]

I've already uploaded it

[opal bluff]

Just the bottom area doh

Ah well nvm

[twin verge]

I'm going to upload a FOMOD with all the options for the game install but feel free to check out the optional files for my mod if you need it

[hushed moss]

@molten pine do you know what changes you made in L_Zone_buffer_Items (and same for other maps)?

looking through i havent noticed any obvious changes you made, but theres also like 1000 nodes so idk

[molten pine]

durability set to 0 on guns and magazines

and grenades and such

[hushed moss]

alright thanks

also, it appears to me that 2.6 completely broke the functionality of setting a drop chance on enemy cores. Unless there is a piece somewhere I'm missing, the core either drops 100% of the time or never

[twin verge]

the cores from fragments?

[acoustic ginkgo]

Stalker added a random chance of any enemy to drop artifacts iirc

[twin verge]

yeah, i've incorporated that into my mod. but right now from what i've seen the mimics are the only one dropping items (ammo boxes) and it doesn't necessarily follow the same 0-100% integers

[acoustic ginkgo]

Also zefir, I only see your main file, looking at archive I see Ammo box 1.1a and Primary weapon 1.2a

Is the Primary weapon holder the new mod?
Also the ammo box/artifact mod, does it work with Scavenger? What about the new Standalone gun drop Stalker mod?

[twin verge]

Backpack is the backpack extension function from STALKER mod
enemy drops scarce-standard are my revisions of the enemy drop mods from STALKER (removed weapons and replaced with ammo boxes, incompatible with the standalone stalker themed enemy drops)
all of it is compatible with SCAVENGER

my mods can be used alongside the scavenger addon as well, just make sure mine are loaded after

[acoustic ginkgo]

Ok so I either have to decide ammo and artifacts OR the gun drops, hmm thats a tough choice

[twin verge]

yep. in my headcanon having a surplus of ammo seems more useful, but i enjoy having the option to set the difficulty to ones preference

[acoustic ginkgo]

Yeah, shall see what I feel, will download both and enable which I desire. Thanks!

[twin verge]

Yup. Enjoy

[acoustic ginkgo]

Also Nexus made me scared, says I NEED the 2 shotgun mods, not optional as you stated XD

[twin verge]

yeah just ignore the warning. i don't know how to change it

i forgot to give the shotgun version the _P extension anyways, oops

[hushed moss]

I just tested it. It seems minics drop 100% of the times

Non mimics seem to be dropping never

[twin verge]

that is so weird. i have the options set to 0.1 for the mimics

can you try the scarce version for me?

[acoustic ginkgo]

Also I realized there MAY be a conflict with the weapon holster mod: Backpack Expansion mod. Shall see since your mod uses same "bedroll" spot that that mod uses, OR they both work and can use the spot for everything

[twin verge]

my mod incorporates those changes into it

[hushed moss]

I only tested PM mimic and shotgun mimic dropping their weapons

But in each case the drop happened 100% of the time

[twin verge]

i'll have to mess with the parameters tomorrow i guess.

[acoustic ginkgo]

I'm gonna test still because Bakcpack expansion also has the other side of the backpack able to hold items, opposite where the weapon holsters are

[twin verge]

it should have that as well

[hushed moss]

Im not talking about your mod. Today i tested drops at lootpercent set to 50, 1, and 0.5. In each case the weapon dropped 100% of the timr

[twin verge]

Ah. I see

But what about anything lower than 0.1?

I'm thinking that might just stop them from dropping entirely, but i haven't had time to launch the game and test

[acoustic ginkgo]

Ah I'm gonna hop in my modded ITR now and see, so will let you know if starting area mimics drop stuff, same with artifacts. Set on scarce for it

[hushed moss]

Artifacts ive had no artifacts drop on my end

[acoustic ginkgo]

Talking bout zefir mod

[hushed moss]

Yeah but were doing the same thing

[twin verge]

the enemy drop mods use the same paramters just different IDs and drop chance

his has artifacts and weapons, mine has artifacts and ammo

[hushed moss]

I just did a very targeted test today because when i played with it last i noticed the drops were too high

[twin verge]

yeah when i tried your version originally i was getting weapon drops from every mimic.

i had someone test my mod earlier and it seemed they were getting ammo boxes 75% of the time but it could have been 100% and the boxes just clipped into the mimic ragdolls, dunno.

[hushed moss]

Yeah hard to tell. I can try testing more but at this point i want to get more of the stalkerOverhaul stuff uodated

[twin verge]

That's perfectly okay. I'll keep messing around with it, if we can't produce results then we can just revisit the module after we've covered other ground

honestly, even if it is 100%, we could just be trolls and make the mimics drop single rounds instead of the boxes, lol. would be a slight balance to it.

and while not optimal, maybe even the cameras that you can sell. at least in that case you could make a slight amount of money back from killing them.

i would even be willing to re-mesh the camera into something more adequate to be an enemy drop

[hushed moss]

Yeah. Mu thought train was similar. If the drops are 100% then it cant be very strong at which point its either needless clutter, or it can be used to troll

[twin verge]

although this would be wildly unpopular i almost wish ITR had a physically-based backpack so you couldn't infinitely stack items inside each other.

[acoustic ginkgo]

So I just played some and, think my save file or game is bugged or something

I don't have the Stalker random enemies mod yet rank into 3 armored enemies and 2 smg wielder in first area shrug

but the 2 police and 1 shotgun I killed drop nothing so the Terminal mod def not 100%

[twin verge]

what versions of my mod did you install?

just the STO_standard.pak and STO_Backpack.pak?

[twin verge]

updates on enemy loot drops:
the % chance seems to barely function if at all, there's really no way to tell. some enemies will spawn the loot item 100% of the time, some 0% of the time, some randomly. there are also items that won't drop, i haven't been able to get 9x18mm boxes to drop from PM mimics once, but the shotgun and mp5s will both drop buckshot and 9x19 boxes respectively.

[fringe drum]

It was like this before 1.0 and it gets very annoying very fast.

[twin verge]

I remember fondly

[hushed moss]

@molten pine any input on the enemy drops issues were having? Did it work for you with just the NPCInfos edits or was there another change you had to make?

also, what did you change in L_hub_gameplay?

[twin verge]

😔 yeah my current fix i'm working on is making enemies drop weather monitors and sample containers and then changing the sell price of them in ItemInfos

[hushed moss]

if we cant fix it ill probably just cut it from stalker overhaul

[twin verge]

not a bad idea

[hushed moss]

The levels folder is done. I skipped L_hub_gameplay for now because I dont know what was changed there

[hushed moss]

Got the levels folder finished today and also took a crack at the harvester. I havent tested either though. Sort of avoiding doing the loot changes at the moment cause I suspect theyre gonna be a pain
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vVUYgnVRZICJUK4mynHnpeTfktYiHs9iFilVUO41zEI/edit#gid=1386834576

[molten pine]

It just worked

[twin verge]

I dont remember it ever working for me when I played your mod tbh

[hushed moss]

The drop chances were like 2-5 % so it would’ve been hard to notice.

Id go test in 2.5 but frankly its pretty inconsequential either way.

I think we just have to cut it from the 2.6 version

[hushed moss]

looking through it, I'm not sure the Loot folder DTs need to be updated

[hushed moss]

sorry to keep bothering you with questions but the harvester isnt spawning any enemies. Did you have to change anything to get the spawning component working?

[trim yarrow]

@molten pine is it just me or is your amazing mod broken in 2.6?

It creates insane lag for me

[molten pine]

You might wanna talk to the people in this thread instead of me

[trim yarrow]

Alright sorry

[molten pine]

my mod isnt updated for 2.6 and these nice gentleman are updating it in my absence

No it's alright

[trim yarrow]

Which gentlemen?

[molten pine]

They're just picking up where I left off

A bunch of them are contributing like @hushed moss and @dawn ingot

[trim yarrow]

Your loot randomizer especially is really fun

[molten pine]

No, by default the harvester should spawn Spawns.

[trim yarrow]

Alright just give me a heads up or something when it’s working again

I need this mod in my life

[twin verge]

we've already got a few modules that work, whether standalone or optional files in my Terminal Shop Overhaul. If you need randomized loot you can use the Scavenger mod

[hushed moss]

well shid. seems that may have also broken in 2.6 then. Ill have to do more testing. The native harvester definitly doesnt spawn spawns in 2.6 though

on the bright side though, I've made huge progress updating other sections today

[trim yarrow]

Scavenger is not randomized tho, only a few guns can spawn in every area

[hushed moss]

better than vanilla though. Stalker Mod included a huge amount of features so updating it takes a long time

[hushed moss]

@dawn ingot did you end up finishing the configurations->infos files?

[hushed moss]

okay I got it working with spawns. The spawning just doesn't seem to work when I try to make it Sliders. I'm probably missing something somewhere but for now I just made it spawn a shit ton of spawns

[twin verge]

make it spawn loads of transparent fragments

[hushed moss]

thats the thing. Natively it will spawn spawns. When I try to change it nothing spawns

[twin verge]

ah

[molten pine]

Oh

You have to change it the index of the uasset

like, spawns should have a value in the BP file of like

-33 or some shit

go to the index and change all of the spawns to say

fragment_transp or whatever it is

theres more than just that one though

so youll have to go through and change all of them

[twin verge]

[hushed moss]

Ahh thats why i had only changed one. Thanks

[hushed moss]

I got the harvester working spawning Sliders!

[dawn ingot]

I’ve been away all weekend, hopefully can pump it out but I’ve got some tests in school so somebody someone else can feel free to finish it lmao

[hushed moss]

Yeah dont worry about. If you finished the two you marked off just send the to me if you dont mind. I can potentially finish updating this today as I got through a huge amount of this over the last two days

[hushed moss]

alright @dawn ingot every file is updated on my end except the two you said you did

[dawn ingot]

Yeah I don’t have those completed, feel free to do them