STALKER Overhaul Mod

[dawn ingot]

ah

hm

ill think about it lmao

[molten pine]

Basically, think about the directory of a mod

Imagine its just skipping the .pak part of it

Itll just read the .uasset directly

[dawn ingot]

sick

[molten pine]

So you could edit that .uasset, save it, then launch your game

If you want it, here it is. Its up to you, you dont need it and I barely use it.
https://illusory.dev/

[spark hill]

Great! How did you end up doing it?

[dawn ingot]

I forgot a folder in Unreal and in the Engine.ini, and I played around with the directory in the .ini, but the last ting I remember doing (bad memory) is deleting the debug text 😅

I may have accidently done something in the levels always loaded stuff but I can't remember

but let me try something

Ok, so just to double check, when creating the .pak file with the custom map, do I need to include the .umap for the main menu?

[dawn ingot]

@spark hill

[spark hill]

No, the game already has the main menu in it, it doesn't need yours

[dawn ingot]

alright

and how do we load things in though the custom map?

[spark hill]

So you replaced the main menu with an empty custom map?

Might want to give that custom map the main menu as a sublevel, I can't imagine it being practical to not have a main menu in the game

[dawn ingot]

well I made a custom map with an empty L_Menu (Main Menu in ITR) as its sub-level in unreal, cooked it and only packed the custom map

[spark hill]

Ok and you got the game to load onto the custom map but without the main menu sublevel?

[dawn ingot]

well, it loads into the regular main menu, i'm not sure if the custom map loads

[spark hill]

Hm, and you got an empty level to load in before using the same method, the ini command to change the default map?

You could try the widget thing again

[dawn ingot]

well, I got the empty map to load when I included the empty L_Menu in the .pak

[spark hill]

Hopefully it means it works as intended and loaded your empty menu as a sublevel

There's something else you can try

Remove anything left attached to begin play in level blueprint

Right click anywhere on the grid to create a new node called "execute console command"

Attach it to begin play

[dawn ingot]

alright

[spark hill]

Then in the command text write "showdebug input"

Try to run that in the game

It might not work tho, unreal by default doesn't include to console in release builds, it has to be manually included by devs

But idk if scripts can still use console commands while the console itself is disabled

[dawn ingot]

what does that command do thought? does it open a console?

oh

well it didn't do anything

so 🤷‍♂️

[spark hill]

ah shame

it's supposed to show your input stack

[dawn ingot]

where?

[spark hill]

on your screen

https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/f/0/c/f0cb431e09874c4e07ae4fe73c21c19ae74e9bb0.png

like this

[dawn ingot]

ah ok i didn't look at my monitor

let me try again

i'm not seeing anything

it should show up on my monitor with the game open, yes?

[spark hill]

yeah should be

you could try something else

I'm available to voice chat btw

[dawn ingot]

alright

vc 3

[molten pine]

@dawn ingot So, two things

Im currently suggesting to @spark hill that perhaps the new menu could load the old menu after, but hes saying it doesnt work

[dawn ingot]

Keep in mind I am unavailable for the net 3 hours

[molten pine]

and second: If you feel like a break and playing, are you interested in testing a new build of my STALKER mod?

[dawn ingot]

So I can’t work on it re 😅

[dawn ingot]

We tried this it didn’t work

[dawn ingot]

Sure, in 3 hours

[spark hill]

we didn't exactly try this tho

[dawn ingot]

No?

[spark hill]

we could use the command to change map from the empty map to the main menu

instead of having it as a sublevel

[molten pine]

Yeah

thats what I was saying

[dawn ingot]

Interesting

[molten pine]

And as for the build, this goes for any lurkers who wanna help me diagnose the current 1.04 update.

What it SHOULD be is:
-Pistol calibers are quieter
-Silencers are significantly more effective, especially integrated ones like the AS-Val and DVL
-Rifles are a bit louder on average
-Shotguns and high-caliber rifles are noticeably louder
-Enemies wont hear your footsteps as easily
-Enemies have a narrower field of view
-Enemies have a longer sight distance

This was done by boosting gun volumes and by nerfing their hearing radius by half. In theory, if you decrease their hearing radius by half, but boost the sound of a gun by double, it would be the same distance, right? I'm hoping so. 🥴
If you play the Perception build but it's not functioning correctly with what I just said, then I would need to know.

Thats what I need tested

as for the actual 1.04 changes entirely:

-Nightmare presets set back to what it was intentionally meant to be.
-Thanks to SolBreaker, there are now Monolith voices for Mimics.
-Ratio for ammo prices has been changed, making cheaper ammo cheaper in bulk, while expensive ammo saves less than before when buying in bulk.
-Fall Damage Curves reset to -1000 instead of -1200 (could survive too large falls with no damage).
-Sliders now spawn from the Harvester at a rate of 15 to 25 seconds instead of 45 to 90 seconds, which caused the Harvester to be too passive. Reduced Slider count to 2 from 3 (max).
-Shotgun Mimics have damage doubled from 55/75 (spread out over pellets) to 110/150 (spread out over pellets).
-Health variation increased for all NPCs, causing them to be significantly less predictable. Their average health will remain mostly the same (with the AKM mimics getting a slight nerf), but the amount of health they have will be changed.
-Increased melee damage for melee enemies.
-Decreased AKM Mimic damage, way too strong previously.
-Harvester rotates faster.
-NPC loot chance added (new feature).
-Stamina usage increased from 1.75 to 2.5 usage for 60+kg sprinting, but speed of sprinting increased as well. This is to fix sprinting being slower than walking, but still massively discouraging it.
-Monster generator spawn time reduced from 180 to 30, massively increasing their danger factor. (Some have a timer set to 90, these have been changed to 20)
-All loot decreased by roughly 50% in the Loot Array in GameConfig.
-Inspect delay increased from 0.5 to 2.0 to prevent instant ammo checking
-Removed guns and magazines from stashes, as well as stash notes
-All guns and magazines will disappear at 0 durability, which should frankly never be reached anyway.
-Regen in hub reduced from 50% condition to 25% condition (its free)
-Changed velocity, ammo properties and durability values for firearms.
-Changed prices for mid to high tier firearms and magazines and attachments.
-Changed ammo prices. Summary: Expensive calibers are now more expensive, cheaper calibers are cheaper. This creates a large separation between premium and normal ammo, to prevent the player from getting so much good ammo that it doesnt matter anymore.
-Cleaning supplies made more expensive.
-Reduced the durability increase for chrome-lined-parts upgrade.
-Changed some upgrade costs, suppressor mounts are now cheaper while the suppressors themselves are more expensive
-Decreased durability of equipment like detectors, probes, ect
-Fixed mosin surpressor description (to not say mosin in it)
-Added upgrades increasing the sell-price of the weapon
-Map weighs 0, this will in theory do nothing but I believe there may be a bug related to the map causing you to have more weight on your character that is impossible to drop
-Flare increased lifetime from 60 seconds to 180 seconds
-Flare Pointlight Attenuation 7000, Projectile Speed 6000, Friction 999, Spotlight Attenuation 14500, Intensity 25, Color 255, 40, 70.
-Price of flare increased to 250 with new name and description.
-Firearms now have new values for running accuracy and one-handed accuracy. Small guns such as Pistols and SMGs are now significantly better one-handed. Medium caliber rifles (5.56, 5.45) are better at moving and shooting, with slight differences based on weight one-handed. Heavy calibers are significantly worse at this.

[molten pine]

If this part proves to be unfunctional and problematic, I can swap it back to before this, I saved it as a separate branch.

[dawn ingot]

will test 👍

[molten pine]

I have a build without the perception changes, incase its not working.

Also, youll like flares.

[dawn ingot]

I already like flares

[molten pine]

They really work now.

[dawn ingot]

Goddamn

[molten pine]

I mean

thats how they actually work

tbf

only difference is there are no hard-shadows

[white estuary]

for you guys trying to load custom levels/creating this SDK, Kesha managed to load a custom blueprint a while back #modding_chat message

[molten pine]

@spark hill @dawn ingot

[dawn ingot]

Maaan

[molten pine]

Thank you Kurorai

[dawn ingot]

I gotta watch a movie

[molten pine]

read this later lmao

[dawn ingot]

But yeah thanks

[molten pine]

stop READING DISCORD

[dawn ingot]

No

Tbh I’m not watching it yet

[spark hill]

it's really weird that it works, sounds like it shouldn't

[white estuary]

its because the bp he replaces already exits but its empty, or something like that

[spark hill]

I see

makes sense then

well if that works the rest is really easy, you can do anything you want using the widget trick

[molten pine]

big news

[white estuary]

#modding_chat message kesha's follow up post

and also #modding_chat message

id recommend just reading the messages from around then

[spark hill]

I've done what he's trying to do before, on mordhau

you can use a tool to dump all the function, variables and object names like so #1032548424421216267 message

that dump can then be added to the unreal editor, which theorically gives you access to everything in the game

[white estuary]

yeah i have an itr dump from a while back

[spark hill]

great

[white estuary]

i dont remember who posted it

[dawn ingot]

Sick

Might not be able to playtest the mod ziggy

[molten pine]

thats ok

[dawn ingot]

Doesn't the execute command not work? Or is there another command thing I'm not aware of?

[spark hill]

the one we used before

open level

[dawn ingot]

ah okay

but that crashes the game?

unless we open the transition and somehow make it load the main menu?

[spark hill]

probably

it'll take a lot of trial and error

[dawn ingot]

i'll take a look at how the transition map works

[dawn ingot]

i have no idea how it works

i think i found something

its a random uasset connected to the player

not sure how we could use it

also i forgot to change the default map in engine.ini so that mayb be why it didn't load the main menu i'll try

[spark hill]

if you look at the second part

it looks like a list of the maps it's supposed to load

if you could edit that

you could probably get it to load a custom map

[dawn ingot]

yeah i can do that but I still don't know how to use it for the transition map

also it was not the .ini thing

so i got something other than the white and blue void, i got a grey void

progress

ok so i did some testing

the transition map obviously loads straight from transition to menu

and ive done some debug widget testing

and it doesnt seem to load the custom map?

I don't think I can do much more, if someone else wants to give it a go, you'll probably get further than me

and ziggy ill test the mod

[molten pine]

Whats left for update 1.04:

investigate secondary armor vests like stealth and heavy (TO DO)
Second helmet? (TO DO)
Grenades are be too lethal, investigate, replace with shrapnel focused grenades (TO DO)
Fix hazmat suit? Ask devs to fix it? (TO DO)
Add the flare changes into a tab somewhere (TO DO)
Make flare strobe more or look better (TO DO)
Add helmet/vest to the loot table if added (TO DO)

The perception build went well

no more work today though

[dawn ingot]

Louder Mimics (.5 to .8 volume, may not be loud enough, but I don't want it to be too loud 😅)

Also, what did you say about adding more armors? How would you go about it?

[spark hill]

have you tried to use the game state trick someone mentioned earlier ?

[dawn ingot]

?

[spark hill]

this #1032548424421216267 message

if you can get a custom game state to be opened by the game, you can skip the map issue entirely

game states also have a begin play event that you can attach custom blueprint code

like the example spectator camera code I've shown you before

[dawn ingot]

i'll try it out

so i won't have to deal with any map things at all?

[spark hill]

if the game state things work then yes, no need to deal with maps

[dawn ingot]

alright

when i launched it said corrupt game files, im verifying currently then ill test

hmm

whenever i try to launch with the .pak, it tells me that i hav corrupt game files, maybe im doing it wrong

ill try something else

ohhh

it didn't give me .uexp

on export from unreal

@spark hill is this the infinite lifespan widget setup?

i deleted the other project so i cant reference it

[spark hill]

nah you made a mistake

you create the widget both on destruction and on construct

[dawn ingot]

ohhh

[spark hill]

remove the code attached to construct

[dawn ingot]

ok

[spark hill]

instead you need to create the oninitialized event

and spawn your custom actor with input enabled

when the widget is initialized

[dawn ingot]

well right now im just trying to display a widget and i dont want it to disapear

so do i need to do that regardless?

oh wait nah i got it

@spark hill it works!!

[spark hill]

what did you get working ?

[dawn ingot]

i displayed a widget through the game state

so we can add bps

[dawn ingot]

this, right?

[spark hill]

yeah, takes a while to get working tho

I wouldn't do it right away

[dawn ingot]

alright

[spark hill]

do you remember the spectator camera thing we made ?

[dawn ingot]

yep

deleted it tho so i cant remember off the top of my head

ill try though

never mind i forgot the first block

[dawn ingot]

@spark hill is this important at all?

does that affect anything

[spark hill]

it shouldn't

getting the spectator camera mod working would be a nice start to get an example of mod out there

[dawn ingot]

im 100% missing something

but i can't find much online for this circumstance

[spark hill]

You didn't connect the posses pin

You need to tell it to possess the spectator pawn that you created

[dawn ingot]

i think i fixed that

but thats it?

[dawn ingot]

which spectator pawn? the camera actor that i spawn?

[spark hill]

oh that's wrong as well, you need to spawn a spectator pawn

then take the return value pin and connect it to the "in possess" pin on the possess node

[dawn ingot]

alright

[dawn ingot]

@spark hill it doesnt work, is this correct for the actor?

wait not actor

widget

[spark hill]

this is correct for the widget yes

[dawn ingot]

alright, and how should the spectator camera function?

[spark hill]

well hopefully you should take possession of a spectator pawn when pressing p

[dawn ingot]

well it doesn't seem to work

[spark hill]

you should see a difference in the camera position as well

controls might be scuffed since it's a vr game

[dawn ingot]

it's kinda hard to see if anything changes having to look at my headset and monitor at the same time, and shouldn't the spectator actor be created at 0,0,0?

[spark hill]

yeah right now it should

[dawn ingot]

ok, then it doesn't work

can i make the actor display something on screen like the text with the widget?

[spark hill]

you can make it show a widget whenever you press a key yes

to see if it works

[dawn ingot]

alrighty

[dawn ingot]

the problem is in pressing the key

not sure why but it doesnt trigger the event

[spark hill]

could be that it's a vr game and keyboard inputs are disabled

[dawn ingot]

probably

[dawn ingot]

so where do we go from here @spark hill?

[spark hill]

hard to say, no idea how to deal with vr games in unreal

[dawn ingot]

well not on the freecam

[molten pine]

Hey Sol @dawn ingot

do you have any other options for the death sound? And could we actually re-increase the chatter back to default?

[dawn ingot]

I can set the death sound to something else, but multiple sounds don’t work

And I can decrease the time between lines back to normal, yes

[molten pine]

can I hear the different monolith death sounds

[dawn ingot]

sure

cant send the files so ill get a vid

[molten pine]

I think death 5 is the best here

or like

4

Can you re-increase the chatter back to default, change the death sound to 5 and get it back to me? I think 1.04 is done.

For anyone who wants to playtest the new build, here it is. The full list of changes are on the spreadsheet (pinned messages). The only thing this build needs is the sound change from SolBreaker and maybe a tiny bit of playtime to make sure everything is okay.

[spark hill]

I just thought of something but did you add back the blueprint node that enables input for the actor ?

the actor should have a node called "enable input" on its beginplay

[dawn ingot]

ill try that

[spark hill]

without it, the actor cannot read any inputs so hopefully that was the reason it didn't work

[dawn ingot]

👍

YEAH BABYYYY

it works

tree

only problem is that i cant get out of it lmao

[spark hill]

you got the spectator camera to work ?

[dawn ingot]

yep

[spark hill]

can you move around ?

[dawn ingot]

moi

yeah but i can only look up and down with my headset

x axis is fine with mouse but y doesnt work

[spark hill]

that can be coded in manually later

[dawn ingot]

yep

[spark hill]

you can make your own spectator pawn with whatever controls you want

[dawn ingot]

i gotta eat food but ill be back in an hour

[spark hill]

just gonna leave it here but to go back to your character

you need to add another keybind and attach it the following nodes

grab the player controller, drag the pin and create a possess node

on the previous keybind you also need to save the current pawn before possessing the spectator pawn

on the new keybind you need to tell it to possess the pawn that you previously saved

then destroy the spectator actor

[dawn ingot]

cool

thank you for helping me 😅

[spark hill]

np, glad it worked out in the end

[dawn ingot]

how do i save the current pawn?

[molten pine]

This is very exciting

[spark hill]

right click, get current pawn, drag the pin, promote as variable

the variable will then appear on the left side of the window, and you can drag and drop it back on the graph in the middle of the screen to get it

if you do that it'll ask you "get or set", pick get and connect the pin to the possess node

[dawn ingot]

get player pawn?

[spark hill]

yes

[dawn ingot]

cool

[spark hill]

the only thing missing is the transform

right now you're giving the spectator pawn the transform of the debug actor

you wanna give it the transform of the player pawn

[dawn ingot]

yep

[spark hill]

so your spectator cam will always spawn where your player is

[dawn ingot]

i also forgot to delete the spectator pawn

oh wait i can posses with the set

[spark hill]

yes set nodes have a convenient get pin on them

make sure to connect the white line as well, anything that isn't connected to it will be ignored

[dawn ingot]

alright now it doesnt work

[spark hill]

what doesn't work ?

[dawn ingot]

free cam didnt work but i fixed it i think

trying it without a debug widget

it works i dont know what was wrong lmao

game isnt displaying on the monitor though

nvm it s acomputer thing

Maybe

[molten pine]

Thatd be another huge change good change

If we found a way to disable the game rendering on the monitor

That might save resources and improve framerates

Since youd only be rendering in vr itself

But who knows what that would do to the actual game, since the desktop window likes to be selected

[dawn ingot]

i think it was cause i opened it weirdly idk

him

or her 🤨

[molten pine]

Wait

Can you control vr in the spectator cam

[dawn ingot]

nah

[molten pine]

So what happens

Howd you pose

[dawn ingot]

i put my controllers on my lap

[molten pine]

Yeah but then what

Does it freeze your placement

[dawn ingot]

yes

[molten pine]

Oh thats sick

I can use that

[dawn ingot]

audio might be loud

nvm it didnt record them

oh no it did

i think the spectator inherits the player hitbox or rigidbody or whatever, so its not no-clip

unfortunately

[molten pine]

I cant hear a fucking thing youre saying

[dawn ingot]

bro 💀

they kinda loud ye

[molten pine]

Its okay I get the idea

This is good, what are the controls and can I have this version of it?

Id like to try it.

Photomode aint so bad

[dawn ingot]

controls are mouse and keyboard, but mouse doesnt control y (or x depending on how you think about it), so you need to use ur headset rn

imma fix that

do you still want it right now?

[molten pine]

Yeah I think so, just to try it

I can get some good photos

But what are the mouse and keyboard buttons

[dawn ingot]

the speed is a bit fast, i might be able to change that

[dawn ingot]

wasd

[molten pine]

How do I enable it

Goofball

[dawn ingot]

P to enable, O to disable

[molten pine]

Okay

Thanks

[dawn ingot]

good luck

np

[molten pine]

Dont need luck

Youre doing good work

The fact this works proves you can do all the other stuff

[dawn ingot]

keep in mind enemies will probably still shoot you lmao

[molten pine]

Yeah but thats not very important right now

[dawn ingot]

need to do the sdk first 🤨

lmao

[molten pine]

You can run scripts though

[dawn ingot]

yep

[molten pine]

Thats the important part

[dawn ingot]

i'll work on mouse stuff so you dont need to wear headset (hopefully)

i think the game pauses when you dont were the headset though so idk

[molten pine]

Monty suggested (not asking you to do this) that the hazmat suit is just reapplied every level transition to fix its bug

Via a script

[dawn ingot]

yeah i can do that but i dont think i can refrence the functions?

[molten pine]

I have no idea how this would be done but

@spark hill

Maybe he can explain it more in unreal terms

[dawn ingot]

well actually i only need to refrence the bp

and if its an actor just reload the actor

[molten pine]

Yeah maybe thatll work

[dawn ingot]

it might be a mesh issue though

no idea lmao

[molten pine]

One step at a time though

[dawn ingot]

yep

need to figure out mouse

never mind i have no idea how to do this i dont think i can do it in blueprint

[molten pine]

Give it a try and fuck around

Thats what I did when I tried to add items

Got pretty close

I believe im stopped at a mesh issue

[dawn ingot]

well im doing mouse stuff right now not hazmat

[molten pine]

Oh no im saying like

Okay so the issue I had

I believe the helmet blueprint I made loads the item but not the mesh

And because its mesh isnt working

It cant be interacted with

Or loads in properly

[spark hill]

if you know the signature of the function in the game's code (it's name and parameters) you can create an empty one with the same signature in your editor

and once in game it'll call the right one

because they share the same name

[dawn ingot]

alright, but im not sure if its the function thats broken or if the hazmat suit simply doesnt load with levels

so would i be able to reference the bp (hopefully an actor) in order to try the loading thing

@spark hill

[spark hill]

it's hard to say exactly what causes it

without knowing the game

but, it's likely that the logic to replace your current player model with the hazmat is only called when the hazmat is equipped

and not when the map changes

[dawn ingot]

oh i think i know how i can do it

[lean fulcrum]

MAJOR SPOILER || Not a person||

[dawn ingot]

yeah yeah yeah

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-ryan-gosling-gif-24048514

tryna think of how i can get the hazmat bp into unreal

it probably not possible to uncook a uasset is it

[molten pine]

Nope

[dawn ingot]

damn

[molten pine]

you can extract info from a cooked asset

but you cant like

uncook it

[dawn ingot]

ok

[molten pine]

youd have to reconstruct it and thats like

fucked up and terrible

[dawn ingot]

lmao

and i cant put uassets into unreal right

I’d assume not as that’d be like the same thing

[molten pine]

https://www.nexusmods.com/intotheradiusvr/mods/136

[molten pine]

Cooked uassets, no.

But there are also uncooked uassets.

[dawn ingot]

👏

[dawn ingot]

and how would i access those (of the hazmat bp)

[molten pine]

You dont.

They'd be provided by the developers.

[dawn ingot]

damn

[dry cave]

was original post deleted?

[molten pine]

?

[dry cave]

like the original post in this thread that went over what all your goals were for the mod and what not. been playing through it and wanted to better understand what changes you made/still want to make

[molten pine]

I can pin that, give me a second

[dry cave]

thanks!

[molten pine]

@dry cave

[dawn ingot]

gotta update that

[molten pine]

Thank you.

Done.

[dawn ingot]

and the mimic volume is all good?

[molten pine]

Dont know

probably

🥴

I'm sure it wont be a problem

[dawn ingot]

alright lmao

did you get any cool ss with the freecam yet?

also probably gonna make a post for this SDK development or whatever it is so we dont fill up this one too much 😅

[molten pine]

I havent loaded my game yet, so no

[dawn ingot]

alr

[molten pine]

Very good idea

[dawn ingot]

lmao

[molten pine]

????????

[radiant trellis]

Are you ok? lol

[dry cave]

what

loving this mod so far, are there any plans to eventually add custom weapons? is that even possible?

[molten pine]

Not particularly, no

I tried to add my own armor and struggled a lot to get any progress

Basically

we can replace existing items

but even making clones of existing items can be extremely tricky

most people who add custom items, like Saedriss's Scavenger Mod, are actually replacing existing unused items.

So if he added a custom AK with custom stats

what he probably ACTUALLY did was replace the MP412 (unused gun) with all the details and blueprints of the AK, then added his own stats changes to it

Extremerecker added his own replacement of the DVL for the VSSK

it has its own manual bolt and magazine, but this was really tough and even then, it has to replace an existing gun

I was gonna try to fit this into Update 1.04 (custom armor) but unfortunately could not get it.

Speaking of which, @dry cave, are you using 1.04?

[dry cave]

am not, last played last night and am at work rn, but im going to hop into 1.4 as soon as I get home. I'm still pretty early on in the game, only gotten to the security level 3 mission, still rocking the PM and a sawed off

[molten pine]

??????

Security level 3?????

With just a PM and Sawed Off??????

[radiant trellis]

I just realised what he said

There's no WAY

LOL

[molten pine]

we found

the gamer

holy SHIT

John STALKER

[radiant trellis]

I mean I got to 3 using a gsh but sheesh

crazy

[molten pine]

well tbf

he said "he just got to" not beat

even so

the sawed-off is a fucking beacon even before 1.04

how does this man do it

[radiant trellis]

built different

maybe he bought good ammo

[molten pine]

admittedly

the makarov in my mod is better than the vanilla makarov

despite being the worst gun in my mod

[radiant trellis]

I love the makarov in ITR

Wish it had more upgrades

[dry cave]

if it makes you feel better, when I played ITR unmodded nobody had told me the sawed off was bad (i hadn't looked up any info on it) and I used it as my secondary all the way up til like the feast mission. my dumbass was announcing my presence to the whole map every shoy

*shot

makarov in mod is so much better than normal makarov, I was able to get +p early on and its the only thing that made it viable

[radiant trellis]

Yeahhh that's a good shout

9x18 ammo economy is amazing if you can use it

Consider the gsh or kedr, massively extends the life of 9x18

kedr+gsh with some decent ammo and a few upgrades can easily carry you through factory np in the mod

[molten pine]

I wouldnt say no problem

definitely still not the most viable thing ever

Honestly the TT-33 isnt that bad

if you deal with the TT-33 part of it

7.62x25 is a good caliber in my mod, just that no guns fire it

[velvet pendant]

Thinking of doing a fresh run with 1.04 on stream (if i can get my ass out of bed). I do wish shotguns were more viable. I honestly feel they are more valuable to sell than use in their current state.

So many mechanics and quirks work against the use of shotguns as a weapon. It's somewhat prevalent in vanilla, but the mod I feel compounds it (despite the buff to buckshot).

[radiant trellis]

Can't say I struggled to use any shotguns, you also have to consider how cheap the ammo is

It's sooooo cheap for what you get

Look at the spreadsheet and see how much damage it does lol

Only downside is volume

[velvet pendant]

I feel there are factors to consider that aren't as simple as damage, cost, etc.

[radiant trellis]

Oh?

Go on

[molten pine]

Volume and that all the shotguns are low capacity and firerate

[velvet pendant]

Take value-per-shot.

Not money-wise

[radiant trellis]

Oh you mean like if you're fighting a lot of things at once

[velvet pendant]

But how negatively will it affect the player to "waste" a shot.

[molten pine]

Buckshot has the highest damage per shot and some of the cheapest ammo

Or wait

[velvet pendant]

Guns with high per-shot value are all the ones that have small mag capacity, slow reloads, bolt action, etc.

[molten pine]

Is it cheapest?

My brain is skipping a beat

[velvet pendant]

But the rifles are made to engage long range, so wasting a shot isnt AS bad

[radiant trellis]

I just keep shotguns in CQB, example would be earlier in construction in bolotky I fired a shot and must of pulled 15-20 enemies into it but having a shotgun in there, even the fact it was only an over under it saved my ass

[molten pine]

Yeah you can get 100 buckshot for 990 dollars, and each shot does higher damage than a mosin.

[radiant trellis]

It's kind of nuts

[velvet pendant]

Shotguns have the highest value per-shot cause they are CQC and every one has low capacity and slow reloads. The SPAS can have 12 rounds, but did you consider how the strap for extra shells is far forward of the action compared to the pump?

[molten pine]

No?

Why would I consider that?

[radiant trellis]

Idk man that's a mechanical issue

Not a balance issue

[molten pine]

I think shotguns are plenty viable

I use them

[velvet pendant]

Makes the reloading of it slower by comparison. Minor issue, but one of many.

[radiant trellis]

Yeah I keep an over under on me

[molten pine]

Well yeah but thats not unviable

[radiant trellis]

Also you can reload from the box

[molten pine]

Thats just extra baggage

[radiant trellis]

Makes it easy af

[molten pine]

I dump shells in my side pouch

Then grab them individually from my hip

[radiant trellis]

I do all my reloads from the box

So easy lol

[molten pine]

I usually put about 100 shells in my pouch at a time

Just an ammo well

[radiant trellis]

ammo well xd

[molten pine]

Reach into the ammo black hole

Pull out a shell

[velvet pendant]

The random nature of enemy spawns as far as armor is concerned means its often a coin flip on what you should use. Buckshot against armor is effectively a guaranteed wasted shot and thats more to do with how the game handles enemy armor.

[radiant trellis]

what am I gonna find in this pocket

10000 buckshot

Keep a pistol on you for it, when I do stuff like that I one hand my pistol with my shotty in my other hand on the grip

couple of shots armor is dealt with

back to shotty

[velvet pendant]

Unless the case is that each pellet has the 30% chance to penetrate, which would be a bit better overall, though I dont know if thats how it works or if it even CAN work that way

Also all mimics have a shield you cannot penetrate at all. It barely affects most weapons in their ideal conditions and ranges, but it hurts shotguns the most.

Enemy guns (and your own, I've found) deflects shots.

That makes that whole value-per-shot for shotguns even more steeper. A slug is strong and what should be used vs armor, but if you hit the gun, its a wasted shot.

I forgot to mention how sustained accurate fire on a target is hardest with shotguns. THe SPAS and Saiga can fire quick, but if the first or second shot doesnt do that trick, the follow-up will almost certainly miss and it takes time for your aim to restabilize. I imagine recoil reduction CAN help with this, but Im not sure how much. Admittedly I haven't fully tested this aspect.

I do dig the leaning more towards certain realistic aspects of firearms in this game, and the mod as well, but as with most games, shotguns are not only the most divorced from their real-life counterparts, they kind of HAVE to be.

There's a reason the concept of the "combat shotgun" is almost non-existent in modern times. Even the military and SWAT have adapted the shotgun as a breaching tool rather than a weapon cause there are just so many better options. Shotguns are awesome and people love to use them in games, but they have to be wildly adapted to be useful, otherwise they just kind of exist with little value or practicality.

Apologies for the SG rant. Been swimming in my head all of yesterday at work. Likely cause I got a bit salty during a session where I shot an armored mimic with the SPAS and slugs 5 times and he didn't die. First 2 pinged off the armor, 3rd off its gun, last 2 landed in the back, but somehow it still lived and I got mowed down by an AKM immediately after.

[molten pine]

I mean

Slugs

[molten pine]

This is just bad luck

Slugs have a 90% penetration chance and do about 190 to 200 damage per shot

Shotguns are never going to be "the best" but theyre certainly not bad

Slugs are cheaper than rifle rounds with better damage per shot and better AP

Not that slugs are better than rifle rounds

[whole sable]

played your mod prob some of the most intense and fun ive had geting security level 2 with a mosin and g17 👌 good mod

[molten pine]

Thank you

[velvet pendant]

This is kinda my complaint, in a way. In CQC, the rifle is still the best option because of the volume of bullets it can put out in such a scenario. In the time you can get 2 slug shots on an armored enemy at 90% chance to penetrate, you can easilly unload a 3-5 shot burst into the same enemy and its a near guaranteed kill, even with FMJ. On top of that, your rifle can be supressed and draw almost no attention from the burst, but the SG will almost certainly get people after you after firing twice.

I think my point is that shotguns are VERY situational weapons, but the situation changes due to randomness, which makes them hamstrung as a primary weapon and exist really only as a self-imposed challenge.

Or a desperate fallback.

And as a fallback, the hunting and sawed-offs certainly make sense. They arent hard to find and easy to cart around as a throwaway since they dont sell for much in the shop (and bonus+thanks for letting us put the sawed-offs them in the backpack). The pump is ALRIGHT, I suppose? But i think the SPAS and Saiga deserve a bit better.

Alright, I think I'm done being the old man yelling at the cloud for the day xP

Despite all this, the mod is fantastic and mad props for the work you and everyone has been putting into it and their own projects to give this game even more life.

[radiant trellis]

Nah it's good, Ziggy takes genuine experiences and opinions seriously

Feel free to give any and all feedback

[velvet pendant]

I think my only other major complaint (well, other than the rearranging of the backpack at random) is how enemies will notice your flashlight through walls. But that's on the core dev team and not the mod's fault.

[radiant trellis]

That backpack issue is a vanilla bug and I hate it, so annoying.

Drives me nuts

I hope they fix it

[velvet pendant]

It is. Same with the flashlight issue and it makes certain encounters REALLY irritating.

[molten pine]

Its worth noting that the pump shotgun is cheaper than any rifle

Except like

[velvet pendant]

I swear that enemies not only see the light thru walls, but they somehow notice it from further away than if you were in line-of-sight of them.

[molten pine]

The mosin and sks

Who knows how the ai works in this game

[radiant trellis]

Yeah I've been really strict with keeping my pouch torch off this playthrough due to the extra danger

Now I'm at the point where toggling a rifle torch is extremely useful

[velvet pendant]

And the pump is not hard to come by in the wild. So its "place" among shotguns is fine comparatively speaking. I think I'd expect more from the SPAS and Saiga for how much they cost. Especially since stashes are removed and you cant b-line it to castle for a free Saiga early on.

Im curious how enemy perception works in this case. Do they instantly notice once it enters their FOV or is there like a timer where you have to be visible/in range before they become alerted?

[molten pine]

Spas and saiga with buckshot will shred any non-mimic like nothing

Nothing is safer against a harvester or slider

[molten pine]

I adjusted perception in 1.04

[velvet pendant]

Which reminds me...I spotted a mod where the shotgun would probably be king above most called "The Jogging Dead", which increases enemy count and replaces all enemies with seekers. That sounds both hillarious and entertaining as hell.

[molten pine]

They now have half the hearing radius and longer sight with a narrower fov

[velvet pendant]

I did read that in the notes and am excited to give it a go with the adjustment.

I was more wondering about the mechanic of perception and if its "instant" or something like I've seen in some stealth games where are meter fills if you are in sight and if the meter becomes full, the enemy has noticed/detected you, but said meter is like an invisible timer the game keeps track of.

[molten pine]

The perception changes to summarize:

Pistol calibers are quieter

Rifle calibers are kind of loud

Shotguns and heavy calibers are really loud

Silencers are really good and enemies hear footsteps less than they did before

Narrower fov with this means its easier to sneak up and change position

As for how they see you mechanically, not sure

[velvet pendant]

I think it needs to be tested then... Like, if you were standing on the other side of a wall where an enemy's vision is obscured and they don't detect you. Having a flashlight on due to the bug causes them to detect you (almost similar to "hearing" cause they dont start shooting at you thru the wall, though I HAVE seen that happen). If you were to flip the light on and off quickly, will they notice?

But lately if I go into a dark room and I know there may be enemies about, I usually bring a lighter. Its enough to illuminate whats needed and it doesnt seem to make you more visible to enemies in any setting.

Night Eye would be nice, but its almost useless indoors for some reason.

[molten pine]

It just increases your gamma

If something is black, its not making it brighter, its not giving you illumination

Its just increasing light intensity, which psuedo-gives you night vision

[radiant trellis]

GPNVG's when

[dry cave]

adding to the shotgun discussion, use slugs and a 4x on the pump

easy cheap sniper

[radiant trellis]

I need to try the pump

My loadout atm is an M4/GSH/Kedr

[radiant trellis]

Peak gameplay

Reminds me of when people had those musket pistols and would carry like 5 and just throw one away when they fired it

[wild agate]

I found a bug. My suppresser on my ak got down to red durability and the whole rifle vanished while shooting. Luckily I saved before hand, so I got the rifle back, the rifle was in blue barely worn. Suppressor was in the red and probably reached 0 while shooting.

[radiant trellis]

That probably has something to do with the fact that in the mod when something hits 0 durability it disappears, it was originally created to get rid of stashes, not sure if Ziggy can do anything about it

The entire gun disappearing is an unintended side effect hopefully Ziggy can do something

[wild agate]

Good to know, guess I got to keep a better eye on my gear.

[radiant trellis]

@wild agate How are you feeling about the mod overall? Balance, loot etc.

[molten pine]

Thats particularly bad, yeah.

Probably happens with magazines too.

Ill make a hotfix for that.

[molten pine]

Can you check magazines for this too?

[radiant trellis]

Yeah I can

one sec

didnt despawn my m4

mag disappeared ofc

[molten pine]

so magazines are good but not silencers?

@radiant trellis try silencer too

[radiant trellis]

yep that made the entire gun despawn

suppressors do it

[molten pine]

Okay then I will disable suppressors disappearing.

Hotfix coming soon.

[radiant trellis]

Good find actually because I found a 2nd NATO suppressor and was planning on shooting it until it disappeared to save money

[molten pine]

@wild agate @radiant trellis Hotfix is out, fixing the silencer issue.

[molten pine]

So do magazines function as they were intended to?

They disappear out of the gun and you insert a new one?

[radiant trellis]

Yup

The only thing you lose is the bullets you had in the mag at the time but I mean come on

Imo there should be a loading screen tip for durability

When the durability of an item reaches zero, it is permanently destroyed

Something like that

[molten pine]

I cant add loading screen tips, I think

Ill try again for 1.05 but its not too big a deal

[radiant trellis]

yeah np

[molten pine]

https://www.nexusmods.com/intotheradiusvr/mods/136

[mossy inlet]

just played the first couple missions with this mod today. absolutely phenomenal work my friend

even pervomay is interesting when im worried about the fact there could be an as val in any building, and i value stealth so much more.

had an interesting situation with an armored shambler that required me to use a knife to avoid attracting more dangerous enemies

absolutely loving it so far. much more interesting then base game and i even prefer it over scavenger mod as it enhances the randomness and loot reward when anything can be found anywhere, but just more often in different areas

[molten pine]

I'm glad

Since you like stealth, did you grab the hotfix?

1.04 has a bug that I hotfixed this morning.

If a silencer hits 0 durability, it will delete the entire gun. Wild, I know.

[mossy inlet]

i just downloaded it in the past couple hours

so i assume its there

[molten pine]

Is the file called 1.04 or 1.04-Hotfix1

[mossy inlet]

lemme check

yep

it is

[molten pine]

Okay good.

[mossy inlet]

thanks for the warning

[molten pine]

It was a surprise that I had not considered.

[mossy inlet]

losing an entire gun to a broken suppressor would be concerning, to say the least lmfao

[molten pine]

If your gun's magazine hits 0 durability, it just despawns.
If your gun's suppressor hits 0 durability, it removes the gun.

I had no way I could've known.

[mossy inlet]

weird

[molten pine]

Thank god for the person who found it earlier.

[mossy inlet]

good on them for saving the rest of us

[molten pine]

Guns do despawn at 0 durability but frankly, I'd be impressed if anyone could even shoot a gun to that low durability.

It'd jam every other shot.

[mossy inlet]

yeah, ive tested that in the range. after so much they jam more than they fire pretty much

[molten pine]

I also buffed grenades, while making them safer and better for gameplay.

[mossy inlet]

really?

[molten pine]

They're super dangerous now but yes.

[mossy inlet]

that's great to hear. i love grenades but it was always annoying to get killed thru walls by them

[molten pine]

They should almost never kill you through a wall now.

That said

do not have any line of sight on a grenade.

[mossy inlet]

how'd oyu manage to make them safer and better like that?

[molten pine]

So

there are two parts to a grenade

[mossy inlet]

valid

[molten pine]

the explosion and the shrapnel

the explosion will kill anything in the radius, walls be damned

[mossy inlet]

oh? i figured it was all shrapnel

[molten pine]

I turned the explosion radius from about 500 to about 200, which is really really small

but

instead of 10 pieces of shrapnel on an f1 grenade

an f1 grenade now has 75 pieces of shrapnel

[mossy inlet]

whats strange, though, i was getting damage through walls from high distance.

one time i dropped an F1 down the hatch of a sniper tower

and it killed me thru the floor

[molten pine]

the rgd grenade has 50 pieces of shrapnel

[mossy inlet]

that is definitely much more powerful. goddamn

[molten pine]

basically, they will shred anything in the room with line of sight

[mossy inlet]

well, if i didn't like them before i do now

[molten pine]

the shrapnel pieces can bounce twice

[mossy inlet]

ill be careful lol

ohhhhh

[molten pine]

and they have about 50% armor piercing chance

[mossy inlet]

shit

they bounce

that explains it

[molten pine]

they do 110 and 125 damage per piece of shrapnel

[mossy inlet]

i didn't know ricocheting was in the game. does that happen with bullets too?

[molten pine]

so two pieces should kill most mimics

yeah

bullets have different amounts of ricochet

[mossy inlet]

i think i saw a max bounce stat on the sheet

[molten pine]

yeah

flares are also now very good

[mossy inlet]

is there different chances of ricochet?

[molten pine]

I dont know

[mossy inlet]

and i noticed the different desc on the flares

how'd you change that?

[molten pine]

Through trial and effort

[mossy inlet]

are they brighter?

[molten pine]

itd be more accurate to say they go into the sky really high and shine a giant radius

[mossy inlet]

aha

alright

ill take note of that. maybe ill bother to pick them up once in a while

[mossy inlet]

also, on how you balanced the guns. i very, very much like that. it always bothered me the low viability of early guns due to plain damage differences

bullet velocity and caliber are what determine that and i really like the rebalancing youve done

[molten pine]

[mossy inlet]

especially making subsonic cheaper, giving it viability

also holy fucking light of the sun

yep thats a goddamn flare alright

i do have one more question. the mod desc says you made heavy loads slower and light loads faster "without making it too difficult to get from point A to point B". ive not had a heavy load yet so im curious what that means. i assume weight still affects move speed?

[molten pine]

Your walk speed remains the same, only getting slightly slower

but at light weight, you can sprint very far without a break and very fast

and at heavier weights, you quickly slow down and run out of stamina

and at about 50 to 55kg, sprinting becomes closer to a non-option

you can still carry stuff

but it becomes a health hazard with mimics shooting at you

this lets you do lots of looting at high carry capacity

but still leaves it dangerous

Feel free to ask me any questions

I'd be happy to explain how something works and why I chose to make it work like that.

[mossy inlet]

oh okay, so it mostly just impacts sprint speed but not walk speed?

[molten pine]

It will impact walk speed when you get too high

basically just dont carry around 70kg of shit

[mossy inlet]

kk

another question, this time about penetration

what exactly do the non-armor penetration stats mean?

is there surface penetration in the game? like shooting through walls and such?

[molten pine]

probably

[mossy inlet]

im just curious what the stat means in the sheet, since they're percentages but im not sure what "non-armor penetration" would be

im especially curious what the percentages on that stat mean

many are above 100% which seems to point to it not being the chance of something penetrating, so im wondering if maybe its a situation where different surfaces have different values required to penetrate them?

[molten pine]

no idea

[mossy inlet]

fair enough

what does the heavy barrel upgrade do?

sorry for so many questions

[molten pine]

This is on the spreadsheet, but slightly increases weight, accuracy and lowers recoil.

[mossy inlet]

ohh, i found it, sorry

thanks for answering so much

[molten pine]

I'm happy to

it makes me feel important

[mossy inlet]

well, you made a badass mod, so i'd say you are at least to this community lol

[worthy light]

i have question

y mod so good?

how do?

y so talent

[tight elm]

Oml the mosin is useless now because if you shoot it once it attracts the whole map

And it got no suppressor

[molten pine]

definitely not

I use the mosin

big fan

[tight elm]

I used it in pervomay and I got gang banged by every person in the map

[molten pine]

I admittedly do kill everyone on the map

[tight elm]

You can only get cheap ammo at the start and I just can't pen any armor at all

[wild agate]

Good stuff mate, one of the quickest hotfixes from a mod that I've ever used. Glad I discovered it early on before it happened to enough people for a riot. I'm glad I wasn't on the hardest difficulty either, if I lost my ak I would have been fairly upset. Phenomenal mod though, the only way to play after beating it once in vanilla.

[molten pine]

[molten pine]

cheap mosin ammo has 50% pen

[wild agate]

Quick question, dose the alytn get damage textures if its been shot enough?

[molten pine]

probably

not sure actually

i keep it repaired

[wild agate]

If not it would be cool to see that implemented if possible, something like this would be nice

i guess ill run mine till its messed up to see

[molten pine]

cannot

no mod tools

[wild agate]

gotcha

[velvet pendant]

The speed that rifts respawn enemies has me dreading train station in Kolkhoz

[molten pine]

better start shootin

[radiant trellis]

I love rifts because of this change now, they always just felt like free loot or free mission loot, now it's like ok I have to deal with this before I get bogged down

[wild agate]

Imagine if one day someone changes the color of the mimics to be the same color as some of the factions in stalker. It would feel like a completely different game

[molten pine]

If you could do that, you could probably just start changing the models.

[radiant trellis]

Their animations are good if we could replace models all it takes is one rigged model and they'd feel like like normal human NPC's

Their movement cycle is actually really good

[molten pine]

Id love to change accuracy and magazines for the npcs with guns

Id give the makarov npcs a different gun for example

Make them fire a bit faster

Probably a gsh instead of a makarov

[wild agate]

I wish I knew how to. I’ve done some livery’s for cars in asseto corsa. But that only requires basic knowledge of photoshop

[radiant trellis]

Weapon variety could be cool if it was possible

different attachments, ammo types for them etc.

Maybe even different tiers of armour

[molten pine]

Its hard to really nail down what I want to do for that

I originally didnt want people swapping sight mounts from dovetail to rail B, so the AKs wouldve always had to use dovetail sights

But I opted to not restrict the player and instead make it really expensive

But if I was going to add custom guns

Id probably add in a version of every gun, but with swapped sight mounts

Like you find a rare ak that has a rail B instead

[radiant trellis]

Yeah that's cool

[molten pine]

But its a bit late now

Id have to remove peoples upgrades they already have

Ill wait until a major major update

[whole sable]

Is this mod halal?

[worthy light]

Is dying halal?

[clever jackal]

I was already loving this mod but holy shit this is way better now. Glad to start a new game to use it

[radiant trellis]

Tell me about it. Ziggy is a wizard and has worked very hard on it pretty much non stop 6+ hours a day probably more knowing him.

[molten pine]

Not since 1.04 was done but yes

[molten pine]

Im glad you enjoy it

[molten pine]

fun and happy

[wraith loom]

I remember you talking about this in my thread, maybe you could put in a VERY miniscule chance for mimics to drop their weapon on death

[molten pine]

They do this in my mod

Its already a feature

[wraith loom]

😳

That was fast

[wraith loom]

So do they, drop the weapon that they are holding? Or is it just a random weapon?

[molten pine]

Cant do random items

Its the one theyre holding

[wraith loom]

Cool

[clever jackal]

I almost pissed and shid myself when a policeman dropped a gsh I was like oh shit this is so cool

[molten pine]

they drop a makarov but yes

i wouldnt want them to drop the gsh until I can give them one

[clever jackal]

my bad lol I saw the gun and assumed it was that

[molten pine]

youre fine

[radiant trellis]

It's a good reason to fight every mimic, the chance to drop their gun is really nice

[molten pine]

https://youtu.be/G1EURmc5GJc

[dawn ingot]

very cool

[molten pine]

I threw you in the description, on the modnexus page and in the loading screen tips.

[radiant trellis]

Oh nice, cool vid

[molten pine]

The video was already made so I didn't go back and edit you in, my apologies.

[dawn ingot]

thanks i saw that

[dawn ingot]

np 👍

damn now i want to make a video

[radiant trellis]

Dropped a like and comment hopefully that helps with engagement and algorithms etc.

[molten pine]

It does, youtube just likes interaction

doesnt matter how

[lean fulcrum]

I’m not exactly sure what I really did but I got a mention anyway

[molten pine]

You made the helmet, backpack expansion and generally helped with advice and other things.

[lean fulcrum]

Ig

[tight elm]

Yo I know you're streaming rn but is there a way that you can make the enemies fight each other like in STALKER?

I had the idea when I saw a mimic shoot another mimic

[tight elm]

10/10 stream my guy

[molten pine]

Thank you, thank you.

[molten pine]

I cannot without mod tools, no

because NPCs only have the affiliation of "hates player"

[tight elm]

That's fair

Damn

[molten pine]

The unfortunate thing is that without mod tools, I think I've just about hit the peak of what you can do.

So many work-arounds to get everything working, as well.

For example

to get the developer-placed stashes to disappear, I cant actually delete the stashes

like the glock in pervomay

what I did was made it so the items in the stash will disappear at 0 durability

and then set the durability of the items in the stash to 0

[tight elm]

alr

[molten pine]

Not saying I cant do more

there might be a bit more I can do, improvements to be made, ect

but right now this is where we are at

[tight elm]

You should probably check the slider files

Or at least the health

Cause a slider that spawned in at pervomay tanked 8 buckshot at point blank range and then proceeded to whoop my ass

I’m not exaggerating on the amount of buckshot I shot

[molten pine]

8 buckshot at point blank range would do more damage than the slider could have health

and this is assuming you dont hit any critical hits on headshot

You might have flubbed some of the shots

that said, sliders are tough

[worthy light]

we made it bois

[molten pine]

[acoustic ginkgo]

Hi there, I saw most visual overhaul mods should work with this mod, have you tester the fog render distance mod by chance?

[buoyant pond]

@molten pine Can you please allow me to add a subtitle on your mod introducing video?

[molten pine]

Im not sure how to do that

[molten pine]

The fog mod might work depending on the files it accesses. When its just changing the fog visuals it should be okay but I think some of them touch other files like GameConfig and stuff. Let me just ping @fringe drum and ask.

[fringe drum]

it only changes the lighting file for each map

[molten pine]

Then it should work.

[dawn ingot]

oh

[radiant trellis]

Oh nice

[misty gate]

Started a fresh playthrough after finishing my last shopless run on .12
Decided to go for a nightmare shopless run... spawned in and got demolished by two tiger-rifle marksmen mimics camping the first mission.

Time for a break, haha. xD

[tight elm]

Nope, sad to say they were all point blank

It wasn't armored

If Sliders can even be armored

Probably a bug of some sort, maybe just in ITR

[molten pine]

They cant, but no, I don't mean to disagree but its not mathematically possible if everything is working properly.

What shotgun were you using?

[tight elm]

Das what I'm sayin, something ain't right

Side by side double barrel at basically melee range

sawed off

It wasn't no ranged standoff

[molten pine]

225 damage per buckshot

if every pellet hits

[tight elm]

Correct

[molten pine]

Thats 1800 damage for 8.

[tight elm]

Correct

And the man still was alive

[molten pine]

A slider can have a max of 1750 health, but a minimum of 1250.

[tight elm]

I also think he spawned halfway in the ground

[molten pine]

That's just some slider jank, I think.

Still, either a bug happened or some pellets missed.

[tight elm]

So something's messed up in the config of either the mod or just ITR itself

Cause I know for a fact that I shot off 8 buckshot minimum at point blank range

[molten pine]

The sawed-off shotgun isnt exactly peak performance, admittedly.

[tight elm]

It was at the road through pervomay near the house

[tight elm]

I think it works at point blank range my guy

Either way I think it glitched

[molten pine]

I'm not sure if it's glitched, but I suppose keep an eye out.

Do you have any other mods installed?

[tight elm]

None of those should affect health or data of enemies

[molten pine]

Okay so

Timescale mod shouldnt be there

the helmet doesnt have to be there, the backpack mod doesnt have to be there

and I dont know what the PPM is, admittedly

Timescale mod is causing an incompatability.

[tight elm]

The PPM is the gas mask that's suggested in your mod

[molten pine]

Ah thats right, my apologies

[tight elm]

Sall good

Either way that shouldn't fuck with the sliders should it

[molten pine]

The timescale mod especially causes an incompatability. Your game isnt working entirely correct, but it SHOULDNT affect sliders, yeah

Still

you should be carrying way more weight and be faster

[tight elm]

Oh thank god

[molten pine]

You likely downloaded all those because of NexusMods website layout

[tight elm]

Yup

They were listed as required for version 1.03

[molten pine]

What I wrote down was this

Where it says "its included, you dont need to download it"

what nexusmods displays to everyone (i didnt know this at the time)

was this

[tight elm]

Oh, then it was just nexus being stupid

[tight elm]

Yup

[molten pine]

Thank you nexusmods

So

[tight elm]

That's exactly what I saw

[molten pine]

I removed the mod requirements to hopefully solve this problem

woopsie dasies

[tight elm]

Either way

Slider bwoken

[molten pine]

Remove the altyn helmet, backpack and timescale mod and try again

[tight elm]

feelings have been hurt

[molten pine]

if you have issues with the slider again, let me know

they ARE tough

[tight elm]

Gotcha

[molten pine]

aim for the head as much as possible

Headshots do 4x damage

[tight elm]

I got an AK74u now with FMJ so if it's built different enough to survive 2 mags of that then I'll tell you

[molten pine]

It wont survive two magazines

but seriously, hitting it in the head will dramatically reduce the shots you need

[tight elm]

yup

I'll do some field "testing"

[molten pine]

Kolkhoz is fucked up

cursed fucking zone

evil

Pure evil

[tight elm]

Yes

[opal bluff]

oh yea i'm trying this out. Thank you a lot @molten pine , i needed something for repeatability

once you play for long enough and you know stashes.. where enemis are, ecc, it starts to be more boring sadly

[molten pine]

I agree.

This is actually why most stalker mods remove all of the stashes in the game (for the stalker game)

You have to be told theres a stash somewhere before you can access the stash.

[dense wigeon]

the missions that give security level crash the game on the shopless mod version

i think it is because it tries to change the security level in the shop but there is no shop to change the security level of but im not sure

[molten pine]

Understood

I can try to fix it but it's really terrible

for now, just don't use the shop

[wraith loom]

I was finally able to play the updated version of the mod because my wifi was cooperative today (I use virtual desktop), and I really love this mod, there's never a boring trip into the radius.

This is the "Real Man's Radius"

[molten pine]

I'm glad you like it.

[opal bluff]

1 question, are enemies actually randomized every tide? or did you just change a few spawns?

also what's the limit to that? like, can i find an armoured swat in the 1st area?

[dawn ingot]

enemy spawns are random (i believe) and any enemy can spawn anywhere, but they have certain weights that reduce the chances of super strong enemies from spawning in early areas

the weights are in this spreadsheet if you want to know the specifics
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[opal bluff]

hell yes, thanks

[misty gate]

So I've done a full playthrough of the original version. Loved it.
I've tried six playthroughs now of the newest version and I definitely love the tweaks. Much of an improvement.
My only qualm is that with the tweaked spawn rates I am encountering a bazar number of tigr rifle mimics. Perhaps because the number of armored enemies was scaled down, unarmored tigr rifles went up? In every single one of my playthroughs, I've been ended by a tigr rifle in the first area before being able to complete the second mission. Mind you, playing on full nightmare ironman mode so it's not meant to be easy.
But the sheer quantity of that particular enemy is unusual to me.

[shut mauve]

Ive managed to evade him several time but I have also gotten killed by this tiger rifle dude camping first area a decent amount of times

[dawn ingot]

yeah, I played through maybe 5 tides today, and I got a Tiger Mimic next to the Motor Depot in Route nearly every time

[opal bluff]

Yea the first area is brutal if you plan to bump up the settings, because with a PM, your fighting options are really limited. Good thing armour is available asap and it's 1.5k

[pulsar forge]

hey, quick question about the STALKER overhaul! Is the timescale mod included in the mod files or do I have to download / install it separately for it to work?

[dawn ingot]

It has a custom timescale change

So the other mod will not work with it

[pulsar forge]

Okay! Thank you (:

Another quick question, are the recommended mods already pre-installed in the pak file of the stalker overhaul or do I need to add them separately?

[dawn ingot]

One second

[pulsar forge]

No worries, take your time!

[pulsar forge]

Talking about these, by the way

[dawn ingot]

Oh, those are not in the .pak file, so feel free to download them

[pulsar forge]

Ah okay! Thank you

[molten pine]

I thought those mods were pretty good and they're compatible, so I recommended them rather than including them.

[clever jackal]

is it actually possible to use the time mod to slow time more than what it has been?

[molten pine]

No.