paleontology

[hidden steppe]

THAT seems more reasonable, I can’t think of anything else, and after thinking about Alioramus I thought it could be up there irl. Didn’t Alio’s femur and overall leg proportions signify being a sprinter??

[steep atlas]

yeah definitely. he's one of those smaller leggy tyrannosaurids

[hidden steppe]

What about its bigger relatives, Qianzhou or Alberto? (Sorry for so many questions)

[steep atlas]

older chart but it checks out afaik. has albertosaurus as pretty fast. i imagine qianzhousaurus would be really fast, kinda like alioramus

[hidden steppe]

I have a special place in my heart for archosaur pursuit predators, thank you so much for this information

[steep atlas]

of course! what's your favorite?

[tough parcel]

Qianzhousaurus is weird cause despite looking like it, it's slower than similarly sized tyrannosaur juveniles

[outer tusk]

fraudhousaurus

[hidden steppe]

Albertosaurus has always been my absolute favorite, as far as I know it’s one of the fastest dinosaurs of all time relative to its large size

[steep atlas]

fellow tyrannosaurid enjoyer!

[steep atlas]

source for estimate?

[hidden steppe]

Yes!! However my all time fav dinosaur in general, is Allosaurus anax or jimmadseni, tough choice for me

[tough parcel]

Hawk utah

Not 100% accurate as Larramendi said he couldn't account for the CDF muscle but it's what we've got rn

[steep atlas]

i have a really nice allosaurus jimmadseni figure. wanna see?

[hidden steppe]

YES!! I’d love to

[hidden steppe]

Seems like Allosaurus anax was pretty fast for its size as well? Not as much as some tyrannosaurids tho ofc

[steep atlas]

Unfortunately he is currently being killed by the Daspletosaurus

[tough parcel]

Well it's about the same as Giga so I assume it's one of those "I'm so big, it's hard to not go fast" situations

[hidden steppe]

True, especially being a more slender build but with long proportions, it has my heart, wish Anax got more love

[outer tusk]

no

[hidden steppe]

Hmm, well I suppose it wouldn’t need the speed, it was the largest terrestrial predator (based on length and height, maybe not mass) of the Jurassic and targeted sauropods, right?????

[outer tusk]

its equal in size with torvosaurus and some other allosaurus specimens but it was just "targeting" sauropods as we don't have any evidence for such rare behavior

[light osprey]

They’re smaller but their legs are not super proportionally long

[steep atlas]

they look pretty long to me

[mental cloak]

I mean he is pretry slim too

[outer tusk]

juvenile

[mental cloak]

I mean adults can be pretty slim too no?

[little mauve]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0223698#pone.0223698.s001 this paper is worth reading when thinking about hindlimb proportions in theropods

[hidden steppe]

Could I see sources for the size/mass pls? I can’t find any direct stats, I was under the impression that yes torvo was similar if not heavier in mass but that Anax was a good bit taller and longer?

[charred hearth]

so

struthi
alio
pycnonemosaurus?

https://x.com/ausar_the/status/2051791242069950957?s=20 can someone explain to me?

Ausarchosaur (@ausar_the)

It needs to be realized: by the time Titanis went extinct about 1.8 Ma, it was in North America for >3 million years. To put this into perspective, felids first appear in South America's fossil record in the Ensenadan (at earliest 1.95 Ma).

X · May 5, 2026, 10:28 PM

[queen oar]

Tbf Qianzhousaurus would be more aerodynamic.

[outer tusk]

11.4m for Edmarka

[queen oar]

Meanwhile Abelisaurids kinda don't even try

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/CRCpaleos/status/2051548446444953938/photo/1

CRCpaleos (@CRCpaleos)

PALEOARTE
A trip in Tanzania (Florent Llamas)

X · May 5, 2026, 6:24 AM

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/pmamtraveller/status/2051631631937528183/photo/1 they dont make paleo-art like this anymore

PmAmTraveller (@pmamtraveller)

"Ammonite" by artist Markus Vesper.

X · May 5, 2026, 11:54 AM

[woeful haven]

i’ve been seeing more videos on tiktok of people saying dinosaurs were actually dragons and that t. rex had wings…

[tough parcel]

Something about how everything is a conspiracy if you’re too ignorant of the basics

[thorn grove]

some people would rather make things up than learn anything

[elfin pulsar]

Fr! I only look at the hard facts

[stiff seal]

this feels like some sort of analog horror lol

[lavish frigate]

You’ve heard of “The Moon Woke Up”

Now get ready for

“The Moon is a Trilobite actually”

[stable sun]

Basically people think the t rex scapula is a humerus

[wintry sluice]

Rapator ornitholestoides is just a mass hallucination

[runic rover]

"some people on TikTok" is more than enough to make me instantly drop any hope of taking whatever they say seriously or respectfully

I wanna 3d print a Nanaimo (there is no model tho), what is the closest thing to it? A vampire squid?

[coral forge]

People also compare its arms to ostrich arms as a reason for it to have giant wings lmao

1 minute slow mode??? Since when was that a thing

[queen oar]

Paleo content with Subway Surfers on the corner

[wintry sluice]

Pretty sure the best analogy would be cirroteuthidae since Nanimoteuthis was a cirrate octopus

[queen oar]

I'd say there are other reasons for T. rex to have wings.

[coral forge]

hm:

[steep atlas]

I don't see Tyrannosaurids having pennaceous feathers

[queen oar]

Maybe not necessarily. The thing is that Carnosaur and Coelurosaur arms are developed in their own way to allow the animal to change it's aerodynamic surface. In Coelurosaurs, this might have some bigger weight to support it, since Wings evolve as early as the Jurassic.

We can argue that this might be a case of very rapid derivation, but even then, for that to sorta of happen as quickly as it did, you would still would had to go around the fact that animals like Archaeopteryx wouldn't had those structures, unless they were there already. At the same time, Quills, Bristles, Filaments, Fibers and Feathers aren't necessarily too difficult to develop, given how many taxa closely or distantly related tend to show these with some frequency.

[bitter quest]

Now I think of it there really isn't a pteranodon sternbergi skeletal diagram is there

[queen oar]

Yeah, they are just old.

[bitter quest]

Forgot that skeletal exist

[stable sun]

Which is hilarious because these things have tiny arms (this is an emu but still)

[mental cloak]

Dw they r just stupid

[ancient crystal]

Tik Tokers aren't making Tik Toks because they're intelligent

[paper parcel]

Literally gallimimus

[runic heart]

Not a huge fan of beasts of the Mesozoic coloring, but this “T.Rex wave” intrigues me. Are we getting a bunch of different hell creek creatures at 1/35 scale possibly? Edmontosaurus, ankylosaurus, nanotyrannus?

[queen oar]

they using the subadult?

[steep atlas]

Nah, it's just other figures being released alongside rex 2.0

[mental cloak]

Ita funny they are remakin the old figs

[steep atlas]

I'm glad I didn't get the old versions

[mental cloak]

Me too..not cuz im poor and broke pfftt(i am)

[steep atlas]

Nahh no way, you can afford the new ones

[mental cloak]

Maybe?
They r like 60 max ig
But when converting to Brazillian money
Its like 2k💀

[steep atlas]

The old rex in 1:18 was over 200 usd

[mental cloak]

Yeah see
No wonder i cant afford those

[steep atlas]

Even if you can, it's a lot to spend on a figure

[mental cloak]

Yeah
Its too much money i dont want to starve in my own house lol

[steep atlas]

Start growing crops so you can afford BotM

[runic heart]

Idk if anything’s confirmed, but this is the first time we’ve heard of a “T. rex wave”, and it’s including a new triceratops and Rex. I’m hopeful I can have a whole 1/35 scale botm hell creek setup.

[steep atlas]

I would like the stars in 1/18. But the "acrocanthosaurus wave" was not all acro contemporaries

[runic heart]

True ig

[steep atlas]

I figure ankylosaurus will come later. Maybe edmontosaurus but i would not count on it

[runic heart]

I do want a company to make accurate articulated figures released in waves that reflect certain formations and habitats. Maybe even including environmental pieces like plants.

Honestly, if they redo Pachyrhinosaurus and gorgosaurus/albertosaurus, I’ll definitely fold. Bonus points for giving both a scale-covered rictus.

[elfin pulsar]

Whats a rictus

[steep atlas]

Tissue in the corner of the jaw

[elfin pulsar]

Ty

[charred hearth]

what dinosaur group had the largest eggs? was it sauropods or something else?

[wind prairie]

elephant birds

[queen oar]

Friend Inside Me ( It's the deltarune meme don't smite me )

[charred hearth]

how about a non-avian dinosaur?

[runic heart]

Realistically the pink fleshy part of the jaw muscle would be covered by scales.

Very exagerated example, but you get the idea. (I love this T. rex image so much)

[wind prairie]

wait why would you get smited for that anyways

[queen oar]

Well, you never know someone's alternative interpretation to that quote ( I will not elaborate )

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-nuke-fim-friend-inside-me-gif-813642183016681211

[steep atlas]

Crocodiles have something like this except there is a crease along the margin when the mouth is closed. Just as plausible if you ask me

That is neat art btw

[light osprey]

There’s nothing exaggerated about how it’s reconstructed here

[runic heart]

The puffiness?

[light osprey]

I don’t see it

[ionic crescent]

still no accurate frill scales 🥀

[runic heart]

They should be much larger, yes?

[ionic crescent]

and in a very distinct shape yeah

[runic heart]

Oh like this?

Oh wait they aren’t hexagonal. Like this maybe?

[queen oar]

subjective to the respective area of the frill, I think? Maybe @storm stone could give us some insight?

[ionic crescent]

yeah, or like JFD's

[runic heart]

What does that one look like?

[runic heart]

Neat

[ionic crescent]

That being said, I'm glad they are revisiting old figures, but they still need to fix a ton and let's not get to web management and shipping, one of my orders is still at somewhere despite being delayed for two months now

[runic heart]

Bought the bistaheiversor, and tbh while it looks cool, it’s not really anything special. I’m much more looking forward to the next pnso articulated figures.

[ionic crescent]

Save me nanmu

Just praying nanmu gets to make herbs

[elfin pulsar]

Stuck in customs maybe? That happened to me with something else and it took forever

[ionic crescent]

idk, i messaged the CBS website and they gave me indications to message the shipping thingo, messaged em, got an answer but was just the auto one, reached my country shipping stuff and asked for help but the same

All i know is that it's been Europe for the past 2 months

[runic heart]

Nanmu is very good, just wish they made more accurate creatures.

[ionic crescent]

I don't complain about the JW-Gustave figures, they are hella hella hella good

learn something, Hammond Cheap-ection

[runic heart]

There is crazy potential there for more informed figures though.

[ionic crescent]

Nanmu so far isn't competing with PNSO or Haolonggood, which is better cause all these can aim for their respective publics imo

I'd prefer if nanmu stayed a while more doing film and, hopefully, games creatures, which would be amazing

[runic heart]

True. Haven’t heard from pnso for a while, so I’d assume they’re cooking up a new articulated figure.

[ionic crescent]

I HOPE is trike please

[runic heart]

I’m thinking it’s either Giga or spino, purely because it’s still a new line and those two are guarunteed to sell. Trike is also possible though.

[ionic crescent]

Maybe mirabilis, hm

[runic heart]

I’m thinking Mirabilis would be their next standard figure. Too new to try anything fancy with.

[outer tusk]

tuff

[zealous ravine]

(Gonna properly draw it eventually but until I do have this)

[hybrid saddle]

The orb

[charred hearth]

do you guys think they'll give us paleo-accurate dinosaurs this time around or no?

[elfin pulsar]

No

[hybrid saddle]

No

[ashen creek]

Did the larger fliers like hatzegoptyrx and quezqueloathus have strong neck muscels?

[stiff osprey]

Hatz yes, quetz no

[stiff osprey]

Canonically they only weigh 11-13 tons, so they got that big by being 95% air

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[turbid smelt]

Hatz had much stronger muscled necks

[paper parcel]

Average Theropod Fans, vs Average Sauropod Enjoyer

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/natural77384672/status/2052199464979304490

Bella (@natural77384672)

"Knob-billed Duck, aka Comb Duck Sub-Saharan Africa, India, SE Asia"

X · May 7, 2026, 1:30 AM

[queen oar]

@outer tusk

[outer tusk]

Why did you tag me for this

Is this suppose to give some "truth" to giving random outlier facial structures to non-avian dinosaurs

[sudden wind]

I think you can observe some potential marks in the frontal part of the beak for soft tissues here.

I am all for stuffs like caruncles and other fleshy structures in non Avian dinosaurs, though we can more or less infer if there were some depending on the bony texture and structure.

[queen oar]

Nah, it's just to bully you.

[elfin pulsar]

Shoe skeleton

[rare bough]

would dinosaurs have beard or moustaches?

[steep atlas]

No

[rare bough]

but chinese lizards have them

[steep atlas]

Post

[rare bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-chinese-dragon-china-green-gif-16238472040030704461

[steep atlas]

Dinosaurs will never have such aura

[rare bough]

if we see dinosaur maybe yes they could have beards but impossible to fossilize it

[paper parcel]

Imagine if sauropods had those inflatable neck things gibbons have so they could be louder when broadcasting

[paper parcel]

Both of these are wrong lmao

[dim abyss]

[paper parcel]

Sauropods have these little indents at the bottom(forgot what they were called) that indicates where their nose holes would be and they are above the mouth

I wonder if they were similar to iguanodons and they had nose chambers to amplify sound

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/nypost/status/2052381506987757664

New York Post (@nypost)

Evidence of giant squid discovered - bodacious beast is bigger than a school bus with eyes the size of a large pizza https://t.co/Bqz39E8zmH

X · May 7, 2026, 1:34 PM

[stiff seal]

this is a ai generated image i found of what chat gpt thinks a accurate rex looks like😭

[runic heart]

It’s interesting though, cause iirc giraffatitan is the only one with a divot in the front large enough to suggest any large tissue being there.

The image you provided being giraffatitan.

[stiff seal]

the trunk looks so cursed lmaoo

[queen oar]

Actually, a lot of Macronarians have it, just to a lesser degree. I won't mention Brachio cuz I don't know if there was a agreement on what is the actual skull for that thing, but Camarasaurus, Euhelopus, Diamantinasaurus, Sarmientosaurus. Technically, every Sauropod have that, but depend on taxa, group, etc. It's either really noticeable or not at all noticeable.

[paper parcel]

I wonder if they used it to make noise lol, like deep booming noises to communicate over long distances

[vestal frigate]

The human eyes on it 😭

[queen oar]

Possible, but uncertain. For Vocalizations we are gonna have to guess how Sauropods produced those, for likely... A long time

Personally, I think it's more interesting to explore Sauropod body language, considering what is possible with their anatomy.

[paper parcel]

I mean that too. But giant living foghorns is very cool

[queen oar]

meh.

I'm personally more a fan of rumbling and growling Sauropods, with maybe the occasional roars.

[storm stone]

Ello

[storm stone]

Perhaps but we have other scale impressions from the frill which look different

[full lagoon]

Perhaps they sounded airy or bellowing as well, but that's mainly based on vibes

[runic heart]

Like what? And do you have an example of a design with correct scales?

[ashen wedge]

So…. Where are the nostrils? Is it possible older paleo art had it correct all along?

[stiff osprey]

they're towards the front of the snout, there would be no reason to have nostrils on the top

[elfin pulsar]

But if they were swimming and their nostrils were above they could look under the water and appreciate the fish, ever thought of that?

[full lagoon]

Except they'd probably be too buoyant to do that, jokes aside

[storm stone]

There aren't necessarily "correct" versions

[runic heart]

Well what do the scales look like

[storm stone]

We just know that the scales could vary on the face

[ashen wedge]

The fishies do be beautiful to look at tho

[storm stone]

Here's an example of some

[runic heart]

I like a deep bellow. Akin to a humpback calling, but not nearly as “dynamic”.

[outer tusk]

OMG DA BRACHIO!!! PEAK REF

[runic heart]

I still love the colors on that thing.

[outer tusk]

its peak

[zealous ravine]

This seems like someone ran the mcraeensis press art through some ai slop filter

[outer tusk]

yes, god I hate ai slop

[runic heart]

I think I found a good one.

[outer tusk]

you think? THAT XTINCT DESIGN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT (the goat of goats)

[runic heart]

Oh yeah he’s got awesome designs. Crazy informed too from what I can tell.

[tough parcel]

Guy who made TTT, Achillo, Sty, Tylo, Spino, Rex, etc

[outer tusk]

WHAT HE MADE POT!!!

that's Kosmoceratops is god DARN goooooooooood

[runic heart]

Really? Nice.

[storm stone]

This isn't any more correct than other scaly frill reconstructions. Still really really good though

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/heitoresco/status/1742928583872667976

Heitoresco (@heitoresco)

Triceratops X Torosaurus
.
As interações entre Triceratops e Torosaurus poderiam ter sido comuns e resultado em diversos encontros entre bandos ou animais isolados.
.
"A Vida do Triceratops" no Canal @abcterra_
Link do video: https://t.co/RSooOsm1Ao

X · Jan 4, 2024, 3:18 PM

[light osprey]

How did mcraensis end up being depicted in this coniferous forest

[little mauve]

Conifers with boreal morphology as well

[light osprey]

The mighty taiga of New Mexico

[stiff osprey]

These fools don't know that the Mesozoic is when pine tree

[tough parcel]

Palm tree*

[stiff osprey]

That's the Caribbean

[runic heart]

I don’t actually know much about extinct plants. What are the most common types you’d see alongside dinosaurs?

[paper parcel]

Ferns

[tender dove]

Cycads, conifers

[queen oar]

telephatically transfers image of Wooly Triceratops to your mind

[little mauve]

It depends on the time and place. Just like with fauna, flora becomes more diverse and provincial as Pangea breaks up and the continents separate over the course of the Mesozoic. The "classic" Mesozoic flora which holds true until some point in the Cretaceous is dominated by gymnosperms. So conifers, cycads, relatives of gingko, & gnetales. Additionally there are extinct groups like the bennettitales that make up this classic system. Ferns of many shapes and sizes would have provided ground cover and small to mid sized shrubs. As angiosperms spread and become dominant later in the Cretaceous some modern groups begin to appear.

[queen oar]

@little mauve hey bones, what if you drew a Hadrosaurus?

[little mauve]

Here ya go

[light osprey]

Can be completely different answer for any environment and period

[queen oar]

coward.

[stuck chasm]

Hey everyone! Just a reminder that this channel is used for educational purposes. Please do not post meme content or off-topic images in here. Refer to our pinned messages in this channel to see what topics are allowed to be discussed, thank you.

[paper parcel]

How did megalosaurs evolve into spinosaurs?

[little mauve]

A lineage of basal megalosauroids started specialist feeding on aquatic resources probably somewhere in Europe sometime in the Jurassic. We don't have fossils yet of early/transitional spinosaurs so we can't say exactly what they looked like or where or when they originated.

[waxen jewel]

Can nomen nudums end up being reused at all?

[little mauve]

Sure, a nomen nudum is just a name without an adequate description attached. So with an adequate description it could be used.

[coral forge]

Wouldn't they have evolved in Africa of Asia since that's where their earliest fossils are found

[little mauve]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8481559/ the earliest definitive spinosaurids are European and megalosaurs are diverse in Europe as well in the kind of environments we'd expect to see a proto-spinosaur lineage originating

[waxen jewel]

Fingers crossed then that one day brontoraptor will be real lol

[stable sun]

Edmarka junior synonym

[coral forge]

What about the probable spinosaur teeth from middle jurassic africa along with monolophosaurus sometimes popping up sister to or within spinosauridae?

[stable sun]

What teeth? That's not a thing afaik.

Mono is Asian, Leshan and Magno are also Speens sometimes and one is Asian the other European

[nocturne merlin]

https://bioone.org/journals/acta-palaeontologica-polonica/volume-61/issue-2/app.00101.2014/Isolated-Theropod-Teeth-from-the-Middle-Jurassic-of-Niger-and/10.4202/app.00101.2014.full

[coral forge]

There's teeth from the Tiourarén formation (upper middle jurassic africa) that belong to either a spinosaurid or a ceratosaurid

Also I know Monolophosaurus is Asian, thats why I said Asia or Africa, though since Magno is also possibly a jurassic spinosaurid from Europe, would it not be correct to say that they originated just anywhere in afroeurasia since Africa, Europe, and Asia all have remains that could potentially be the first spinosaurid?

[green helm]

deinosuchus vs tape being wrapped around its jaw when its closed who wins

[polar rain]

If birds don't roar then wtf do pelicans do

[scenic flame]

who said they can't?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hBmb5wik5oI?feature=share

[stiff osprey]

big cat bias and its consequences have been a disaster for the animal sound landscape

[polar rain]

No cus like have yall heard the sounds pelicans make
https://x.com/i/status/2045191790098059417

ElBuni (@therealbuni)

Un tipo se fue a dormir y cuando se despertó vio que habia sido reclamado por un pelícano

No sabia que esos bichos hacian ruido de dinosaurio

▶ Play video

X · Apr 17, 2026, 5:24 PM

Why do people say roaring is an exclusively mammalian thing??

[stiff osprey]

that pelican
https://youtu.be/s0J-cOOWZHI?si=CC3mgBFlCDDPxY3C

[coral forge]

bring a lyrebird to a zoo and you'll get a roaring bird

[queen oar]

Cause there's not lot of literature dedicated on the variations of vocalization in Extant Archosaurs, there is for Crocodilians, but cuz those are not considered " Similar Enough to Dinosaurs " a lot of times, considering them is often: Not a option.

[undone rapids]

Feel like online, it started more with "Only Big Cats/Panthera can roar" to seperate them from Felids.

[paper parcel]

Only allosaurids can hunt sauropods, trexes clearly can't and are unable to /jk

[undone rapids]

There was a force field around sauropods that just reflected teeth that weren't serrated enough

[coral forge]

except for tarbosaurus because it has allosauroid teeth, but other than that, no animal is allowed to hunt anything it isnt specifically adapted to hunt

[hallow spear]

Leaf stone held by Megalosaurus then the evolution to Spinosaurus took place,

[queen oar]

it sorta of started more as " Roar is a Mammalian Thing ", funnily enough other forms of sounds such as " Grunts " or " Growls " weren't as much as contested, despite being relatively known that those were often built from the samples of Mammal sounds

[coral forge]

does it even matter if they can roar or not if bellows/rumbles are objectively cooler

[runic heart]

Roar is kinda a loose term though, right? If a dinosaur can make a loud sound, you could call it a roar.

[queen oar]

Kinda does, since the " Dinosaurs don't roar " thing, kinda mainly started as a point of " Scientific Accuracy ", if in Birds there is a subjective variation, such as different types of vocalization being present in certain species to perform function not present in other species, or that vocalizations that we prior collectively agreed were not possible in non-avian dinosaurs cuz Modern Dinosaurs didn't have them ( at least we thought )

We kinda set ourselves some years backwards for no reason.

[queen oar]

Not necessarily, although a roar is not exactly different from other typical sounds of Extant Archosaurs, as in the sense that it is a low-frequency sound, rather than a high-frequency sound. A roar tends to be mostly characterized as a " Open-Mouth Vocalization ", cuz if we compare most other sounds in Extant Archosaurs, they are " Closed-Mouth Vocalizations "

Noted, Crocodilians have been noted before to be able to do both Open-Mouth and Closed-Mouth Vocalizations, but again cuz they most of the times just agreed to " Not be similar enough to Dinosaurs ", we didn't consider them

( There's also a good chance I'm getting the terms wrong here, but it's basically that )

[undone rapids]

https://youtu.be/z8SdqOT_no0

[queen oar]

yuppers.

[coral forge]

actually dinosaurs made chainsaw, laser beam, and car noises https://youtu.be/AwxvjrbEkTg?is=b70na3LPxOg4QdV-

[ashen wedge]

It is both

[runic heart]

Huh

[little mauve]

Though I don't fully agree with Monolophosaurus' recovery as a spinosaur or with the 100% positive ID of tooth taxa, I do think what you're describing is possible. A complex or even Gondwanan origin for spinosaurs isn't a dead hypothesis necessarily

Baryonychines are most diverse in Europe though, suggesting they arose there. I suspect the European archipelago was acting as a species pump for a long time into both Laurasia and Gondwana, and the last common ancestor of baryonychinae and spinosaurinae arose out of those complex coastal/island habitats

[full lagoon]

If it's duct tape deinosuchus is beyond cooked

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/CaetaninoSoares/status/2052753378539639176

Caetano.Paleoart (@CaetaninoSoares)

POV: You spotted a Gnathovorax carrying its prey and had a camera.

X · May 8, 2026, 2:11 PM

[hazy basalt]

https://youtu.be/dwkM46PYuLE?si=Qu4eu2E6DM3swLuF

More Kiabugboy peak, this time we are learning about prehistoric corals!

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/tzkhoidraws/status/2052790003277898099/photo/1

Nguyenkhoi Tran (comms open) (@tzkhoidraws)

A 13 metres-long Nanaimoteuthis comes across a pack of small mosasaurs drawn to the scent of blood. Ammonites like this one could’ve been a frequent prey for this monstrous octopus, as opposed to vertebrates of its weight class that could have overpowered this soft-bodied animal.

X · May 8, 2026, 4:37 PM

[queen oar]

tbf I think Monolophosaurus being a Spinosaur is very unlikely. It kinda was already addressed that phylogenetic placement was due to not considering certain characters, so automatically certain taxa ended up in branches that they commonly aren't placed within. It's almost like being very selective with certain characters will get you impossible results.

[little mauve]

Yeah agreed

[queen oar]

@frigid delta

[mental cloak]

Dinosaurs

[mental cloak]

Its both

[paper parcel]

Why wasn't there any hypercarnivorous Ornithischians?

[stiff osprey]

theropods

[paper parcel]

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/is-there-something-i-can-help-you-with-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20776045

[queen oar]

Killed a 6 tons Carno in Legacy

That's all

[stable sun]

It was there in a large matrix with hundreds of characters and in another smaller matrix with also a few hundred characters. I don't know why are we calling it very unlikely.

[true juniper]

What are the anatomical differences between zhuchengtyrannus and t rex

[keen citrus]

Do dinosaurs blink like this

[robust crane]

what is a trex’s average weight?

[steep atlas]

yeah, you just saw a dinosaur blink like that

[keen citrus]

I meant non avian

[steep atlas]

yeah they probably would

[robust crane]

is mapusaurus or albertosaurus really social? or deinonychus

because like if maybe idk someone from the future see a lion or a wolf fossil they might think it as a mass death event or a komodo/crocodile tolerance

[undone rapids]

We'll never know for sure.

[steep atlas]

it's hard to say whether or not they were actually social, or to what degree

[undone rapids]

Lions are lions and leopards being their closest relative aren't social in the same way at all, Tigers are social with cubs hunting with mothers and sometimes even hunting together with tigers from different territories, cheetahs make coalitions of males to hunt bigger prey. Hyenas often form social groups but prefer hunting alone more iirc. And all of these animals were probably even more social before humans disrupted their habitats and behaviours. We'll never really know little details like these with animals extinct for so long.

[tired schooner]

https://youtu.be/y0l22DW4Ur4?si=uBjjtMm8AnwqkQDe

I guess he’s back

[true juniper]

I meant like outside of bone features, like if I put a Rex and A zhucheng Infront of you how would you distinguish them outside of body size

[coral forge]

Imo Mapusaurus was social purely due to large carch teeth commonly being associated with giant sauropods, which makes me lean towards mobbing or cooperative hunting, but its impossible to prove

[coral forge]

we don't exactly have a live specimen of either to compare anything other than bone structure

[paper parcel]

Imagine if we find a fully aquatic spinosaur lol

[undone rapids]

So far zhucheng has two bones, so we wouldn't really be able to. Even with body size since there seem to be big zhuchengtyrannus specimens similar size to rex

[robust crane]

how big was zhucheng i heard it got bigger

[undone rapids]

Its unpublished, but we can tell its probably similar to rex in size based on one vert that was pretty wide

[true juniper]

What about mapu and giga? Mapu had a Thinner and taller skull right?

[tired schooner]

Everything is possible

[undone rapids]

Dunno, Mapusaurus is a bonebed with 7 to 9 specimens so we don't know its Proportions and Giga is Barely Described.

[true juniper]

Could spinosaurus (aegyptiacus specifically) have been a Transitional species that was turning into a fully aquatic Dinosaur (cuz it had shorter legs proportionally compared to mirabilis) but it went extinct before reaching it's actual aquatic form due to whatever happened between the Early cretaceous and late cretaceous

[undone rapids]

Mirabilis having longer legs isn't a sure thing either since the specimen with leg material(JEN 7) only overlaps with bigger mirabilis specimens by a fragmentary chin bone. So it could've just been a case of smaller juvinile mirabillis having longer legs/smaller head proportions, but yeah its possible spinos would've gone more aquatic if Cenomanian-Turonian Extinction didn't wipe out Spinosaurs and so many other animal families

[queen oar]

Don't know if there was any other paper suggesting that placement, but let me remind that paper ( the one that I know of ) also included... " Szechuanosaurus " zigongensis as a member of a diverging unique branch of Tetanurea, Shaochilong as a Tyrannosauridae, beyond Monolophosaurus as a Spinosaur, there's also Magnosaurus and Leshansaurus as Spinosaurs, and Siats as a Carcharodontosaur, when the least we have of Siats literature, has consistently found remains of it and potential younger specimens to have characters more diagnostic to Megaraptors ( Again, noted, those papers would originally argue that meant Megaraptors were within Neovenatoridae, even though it would've never been the case, since those were only characters found in Siats, not in Neovenator, automatically making Siats very likely a Megaraptor )

Surprisingly, no one else nor other publications can get these results ( At least, that I'm aware of, and I'll correct myself accordingly if the opposite is true ), giving the impression that very likely, or the case is just simply: Those results were only gotten due to a very specific selection of traits considered... That shouldn't be surprising, cause the only purpose of it was to determine where Alpkarakush was placed as a Metriacanthosaur, NOT determining where other taxon were placed.

[runic heart]

Aren’t some of the proportions based on the undescribed Brazilian spino, though?

[undone rapids]

The arms maybe, but its still a maybe

[queen oar]

@undone rapids hey Glaive would you have Simosuchus as a pet?

[undone rapids]

It'd be a pretty cute one so yes, Pakasuchus too maybe. Notosuchians are quite cool, though I don't know enough about them

[queen oar]

would you have a Coelophysis as a pet?

[runic heart]

Would all dromaeosaurs and troodontids have had a more bird-like posture?

[full lagoon]

Are we talking about standing, arm position, or both?

[fossil ingot]

The Arms very likely
Given even the posture of the skeletal is the same from the Brazilian lad skeletal

[runic heart]

I was thinking standing, but sure both.

[full lagoon]

It's very likely to have varied a lot between species, it would definitely be more optimal for some to have less or more of a bird posture, depending on lifestyle.

[runic heart]

I was wondering more specifically about larger ones like Utahraptor.

[stiff seal]

i would say yes they would likely have a similar stance as large birds

[full lagoon]

I would honestly expect the opposite given it's lifestyle and size

[charred hearth]

whats a paleontology opinion you have that is highly debated

[full lagoon]

Do you have one yourself?

[charred hearth]

yes

[balmy oyster]

Researchers need to stop justifying lumping species especially if they do not have good descriptions or are well researched, especially just because they try to shoehorn wolves and bears living in large widespread areas as additional justification.

[full lagoon]

That seems common-sense to me, I've never understood that either

[charred hearth]

all because something is commonly believed does not automatically mean its true

edmontosaurus should be praised for the other interesting things about it besides just being bigger then rex, even though the specimen is not even edmontosaurus

as soon as something large comes out that rivals the popular apex, people immediately start a slander train against said animal and people who do that deserve nothing in life

[full lagoon]

True for most of the big dinosaurs other than some sauropods unfortunately

It sucks and completely ignores everything else the animal had to offer

[queen oar]

" Agathaumas " sylvestris holotype.

[charred hearth]

look at what happened with mosasaurus, everyone started drawing it getting slaughtered and killed by nanaimoteuthis

[full lagoon]

Which is literally just inflated hype that always happens

[charred hearth]

you believe its real and valid?

[queen oar]

Not really, Agathaumas itself, the generic name, it's probably not going to be used for the same reason as Monoclonius, even if the holotype was found to be a little different from already known Ceratopsids

So itself, I don't believe " Agathaumas " is real and valid... But I don't think it's either Torosaurus or Triceratops.

[charred hearth]

cisiopurple is not a reliable soucre for dinosaur depictions but is a good source for finding niche dinosaurs

[charred hearth]

who would you say is the biggest victim of this?

[queen oar]

5 dollars,if he says Allosaurus

[charred hearth]

would Hyaenodon and mammenchi also fall under this or no

[balmy oyster]

Triceratops

[queen oar]

oh?

[charred hearth]

can you explain your reasoning? 🤔

[paper parcel]

Could nigersaurus survive the modern American wilderness?

[charred hearth]

its freezing to death unless its in the south, should've said africa

[lavish frigate]

Probably depending on where you put it

[paper parcel]

Prob the south where I live

[paper parcel]

Dinosaurs being completely weak to the cold is a myth, tons of fossils of cold adapted dinosaurs and also dinosaurs are mesotherms, meaning they can generate heat or no heat at all depending on the environment.

[charred hearth]

okay but it lived in a extremely warm and tropical enviorment, it would be like putting a giraffe or african elephant in yellowstone

[paper parcel]

Florida or Texas would be the best place for it, or sc.

[coral forge]

this feels targeted towards the raptorex and asiatyrannus people

[ashen wedge]

Could it survive modern day Africa?

[paper parcel]

Prob, they also grew fast so that helps and didn't have to spend as much time on young as modern elephants, despite not being as big

[queen oar]

it's going to get poached to extinction once more

[paper parcel]

You could probably put a ton of dinosaurs in Florida and it would make perfect sense

Weird duck things with thumb spikes, just another day in the Florida everglades

[balmy oyster]

Well in their defense more papers are coming out and I heard some will defend raptorex

[charred hearth]

who would y'all say is more popular , stego or trike?

[balmy oyster]

Trike, mostly because it’s a hell creek animal

[charred hearth]

bronto mogs them both in popularity though, just second to rex

[queen oar]

Stego.

[steep atlas]

Trike but stego is very close

[queen oar]

also, I'm pretty sure Stegosaurus has appeared in more paleomedia than Brontosaurus, Apatosaurus and Diplodocus.

[stiff seal]

trike but stego is very close

[charred hearth]

are you doctor popcorn in disguise?

[spark glade]

trike

[stiff seal]

who?

[charred hearth]

you two said the exact message word for word

[stiff seal]

lmao i didnt even notice my message is the same as theres

[robust crane]

is dakotaraptor valid?

[stiff seal]

why wouldn't it be?

[robust crane]

isn’t dakoraptor a turtle? or not?

[jovial marten]

it is considered dubious, meaning some think it is and some think it isn't, mainly because the one one to see the fossils, keep them away from the public eye, and has been known for other dino identification that turned out to be false.

[wind prairie]

it would if there wasn't so much public name confusion, creating the unholy conglomerate "broncheosaurus"

[jovial marten]

the og dakotaraptor specimen, had the clavicles of a turtle, which contributed to it being considered dubious

[stiff seal]

what the hell did i just find😭

[robust crane]

but is it more likely invalid or valid?

[wind prairie]

this should be a sin

[jovial marten]

how people who think dinosaurs had random fatty body parts, belive utahraptor looked like

[stiff seal]

they just randomly give it a trunk lmaoo

[jovial marten]

idk, but id hold off on saying it is valid as of now, u til we have more info, just use thhe goat utahraptor instead, as a placeholder, like when i made a utahraptor dnd statblock, i wanted it to be dakota, but idn't want all my work be in vain

[jovial marten]

i genuinely saw someone add a hump to spino once, like its spine has no good places to attach muscles and fat like a buffalo does

[stiff seal]

oh my yeah i saw that depiction lmao

[charred hearth]

if they ever did a prehstoric underwater documentrary in the same vien as blue planet, where would you want visited and what would you want them to focus on? ( you can pick any time and location ) https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2052892919762219442

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

‘BLUE PLANET 3’ is officially in the works.

David Attenborough will return as the narrator.

X · May 8, 2026, 11:26 PM

[jovial marten]

probably like ancienct aquatic crustaceans, would be nice, but like the later one, not the nightmare fuel early on

[charred hearth]

whats wrong basilosaurus and friends

[mental cloak]

This should be considered illegal

[winged cedar]

how big are Spinosaurus and TT in game, and how do they compare to their largest uncovered specimens IRL?

[charred hearth]

what y'alls opinions and thoughts on dakotaraptor being a Unenlagiidae?

[stiff seal]

agreed😭

[mental cloak]

Hmmmm i think in game they r a lil bit oversized no?

[ashen wedge]

Cousin Larry

[winged cedar]

ok thanks

[stiff seal]

tt is noticeably bigger in game then irl, and spino is around the same size as its irl version just maybe a bit bigger

[winged cedar]

ohh kk ty 🙏

[light osprey]

Probably not

[charred hearth]

is it true we have atleast some evidence of a unenlagiidae being present in hell creek?

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/EarthArchivesHQ/status/2053067974748090871 thoughts?

Earth Archives (@EarthArchivesHQ)

Learn about the new estimate for the emergence of dinosaurs, which may have occurred 250 to 240 million years ago.

https://t.co/GHyElqSJsW

#fossils #paleontology

X · May 9, 2026, 11:02 AM

[coral forge]

"Dakotaraptor" is potentially an unenlagiid, and Richardoestesia is known from there too

[stable sun]

There were I think 7 papers which had Monolophosaurus in Spinosauridae, but all of them use the same 2 matrices.

• "Szechuanosaurus" zigongesis being a basal Tetanuran was consensus until like 2012 and it still shows up often.

• Shaochilong does have Tyrannosauroid characters. I don't know why are we saying this is an issue

• Siats is not a Megaraptoran. It's a Carcharodontosaurid. The juvenile Megaraptor description paper talks about this.

The matrix in question has hundreds of characters and has been used for pretty much most parts of the more basal parts of the theropod tree, up to Tyrannosauroidea

[mellow prism]

It's all a matter of a few steps. You'll never get the 'perfect' results you've dreamed of. The matrix from the Alpkarakush paper had almost 900 characters (iirc), has since been expanded (the Santana/Mirischia paper), and continues to be expanded, with more up-to-date versions becoming available in new publications. It's also the best matrix currently available, relatively well-suited to covering a wide range of species from Ceratosauria to Maniraptoromorpha.

[frail robin]

AI?? What's going on with their hands

[robust crane]

bull elephant vs meraxes

[coral forge]

"modern sauropod vs sauropod hunter"

[steep atlas]

Elephant is absolutely cooked

[scenic flame]

what about prep time or blood lust?

[steep atlas]

Elephant gonna get some gadgets like batman

[robust crane]

are shrews actually medium animals in the grand scheme of animals? because the size gap between a tardigrade to a shrew is massive and is a human a massive animal? and blue whales are the biggest of the big?

and most animals are nowhere near even human sized probably

[runic heart]

Oh boy…

[coral forge]

I hope that's a juvenile Nanuqsaurus 💔

[little mauve]

Yes, there are also insects, nematodes, etc also that skew the average animal size way way down

The definition of megafauna is >45 kg so humans certainly qualify

[charred hearth]

0h, i didnt even realize it was ai 😟

[still prairie]

The hands looked it to me

[wintry sluice]

It can be easy to forget that humans are kinda big in the grand scheme of things

[little mauve]

In the grand scheme of things we are enormous. We're also not counting bacteria and stuff like that as well

[normal fable]

It's just a 3D model that's being posed really really poorly, not ai

[still prairie]

Oh I see

[charred hearth]

whats y'alls thoughts on them galloping?

[full lagoon]

Humgusthosaurus

[misty scarab]

How big was the holotype for suchomimus?

[coral forge]

~5500kg

[sonic plinth]

went to the field museum on a whim today. here’s sue in her new exhibit.

[runic heart]

Based on the wrap party poster, the juvis are chasing the Edmontos towards two adults hiding in bushes.

[outer tusk]

so Little Das 2

[runic rover]

Literally me & my 3 accounts I made for refer a friend when I see a baby rex attempting to grow

[queen oar]

Fair Enough.

[mental cloak]

Sue my beloved

[mental cloak]

I like how they made em run in all 4s instead of running on 2 legs

[full lagoon]

At that size and build it would probably be more practical anyways, idk about the galloping though.

[charred hearth]

who out mogs who

sue or rexy

[full lagoon]

Rexy is negative aura atp bruh

[balmy oyster]

Sue would demolish rexy

[charred hearth]

well what large carnivore dosent demolish rexy

she only wins against them when she can jump them

[fossil ingot]

[balmy oyster]

Atp blue could probably win against rexy

Negative plot armor versus overflowing plot armor

[fossil ingot]

Alot, its mainly only 2 she loses too
Which are also like 2 of the strongest on the verse lol

Sue is still cooler than Rexy, but yeah Really doubt she is beating Rexy at all

[balmy oyster]

One bite anywhere and it’s wraps

[fossil ingot]

Yeah no lol
All Rexy really needs to do is Bite and Ram, which isn't hard given how much Faster she is in all aspects

[full lagoon]

Bro we're doing this again huh

[charred hearth]

• got beat up by indom
• got beat up by giga
• got beat up by a pack of atriociraptors
• got beat up by tarbosaurus if the campers didnt help her

[fossil ingot]

Idk what you mean
And then again
Rexy vs Sue isn't really a Paleontology Topic so like

[full lagoon]

Just the debate in general lol

[charred hearth]

btw, when i said mog, i meant popularity wise, i apologize for not speficing

[full lagoon]

In that specific context sue is cooked, it's literally JW

[charred hearth]

arent majority of modern rex depicitions based off of sue? i would say that counts towards her score

[fossil ingot]

1. Indom is like
   The Strongest in the Verse so not bad, specially given she did injure her alot
2. Giga is also the 2nd Strongest and Rexy fought Giga more than once Canonically and they are actually semi relative, Giga is slightly superior overall
3. Thats actually easy to explain, she literally just finished Fighting Giga she is exhausted and the Atrocis weren't really doing that much dmg
4. The Campers never Helped them, The Tarbo just lost its attention and thats what got her, she didn't even dmg Rexy and all that matter little just to lose after receiving 1 Bite and a Ram😭

[full lagoon]

If we are talking about the average person it makes little difference, even if they don't know Rexy by name

[fossil ingot]

Ehh
Maybe? But doubt those are as Popular as JW and JP/JW Rexy is based on a Specimen that was rather famous at its time

[balmy oyster]

Bite isn’t doing anything 😭 rexy has the biteforce of a frog by the looks of it

[full lagoon]

It would be implied atleast comparatively, but I'm not here to argue about that anymore

JW creatures seem like they can be oddly both stronger and weaker than their real counterparts based on the species on writing

[fossil ingot]

"By the Looks of it"
Same Bite is Stated above Indoms😭
She not crushing Humans is kinda just to avoid Gore and Stuff
Lowest you can get Rexy is 34500N, but theres also stuff getting her higher than that
And for Sue to even land a Proper Full Bite Force would need proper Angle which vs Rexy she won't have

[full lagoon]

It's just a movie they expect kids to watch atp anyways

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[charred hearth]

the way one eye outmogs them both 😭

[full lagoon]

Bro that dumb ass series

[balmy oyster]

I think this is overestimating rexy’s ability

[fossil ingot]

Closest we got of smth like that
Is D-Rex ripping a human in Half

@charred hearth Ember Mogs in terms of design imo
Idrc Ember isn't that Big
But damn I love his Design

[mental cloak]

I love him

[full lagoon]

We need a dinosaur media chat

[balmy oyster]

“But but feats and fought off indom!!” Yeah but like, she only won because of blue being a bit of a distraction and the mosa. Otherwise she’s getting beat up by anything her size, idc if she has “potential” she is merely “potential woman” at this point

[fossil ingot]

I feel this is more you underestimating her ability due to outlier

@balmy oyster idk why Losing to Indom is a Bad thing
When Indom pretty much beats everything lol
Giga is a Close one but Indom is likely winning that more
And there is stuff that does Indicate Rexy has likely killing Indom without the Mosa with Indom been called Rexy's Kill

[balmy oyster]

Loosing to indom, loosing to spino, loosing to tarbo, loosing to giga

Bad eyesight, gets thrown off her balance easy, almost always needs to team up with another dinosaur to fight her battles…

Behold, Potential woman. Always and “likely” and “pretty much”, yet never does by her own…?

[mental cloak]

If it was the real trex
Oh boy
Rexy would be unstopable(ig)

[balmy oyster]

The singular rex in rebirth has more potential cus it actually KILLED something bigger than a raptor by itself, even if it was just a para

[charred hearth]

give me liberty give me fire give me mid tiers or i retire

[full lagoon]

It was pretty big too lol

[charred hearth]

does going equal with Lady Margaret count as a feat for rexy?

[balmy oyster]

Rebirth rex is also not malnourished meaning it can actually hunt to save its own rear

[jagged trellis]

sadly jw has bad writing so rexy just automatically wins via the bull of a city level feat by not instantly being vaporized by an actual volcano close range

[fossil ingot]

She didn't lose to Tarbo, she didn't do anything to Rexy and then Lost to Rexy with 1 Bite and Ram what😭
She Beats Spino, as Much as I love Spino Rexy has overall better Currrnt Narrative Above her
But you can argue Either, Rexy also has direct low relatively to both Giga and Indom

Her Eyesight isn't even bad, the Movement Based logic of JP1 isn't as a downsize as you make her be, she gets thrown off balance by things Physically Above her
Except Tarbo, in there she either trips or puts no strength
Ahh yes, Who won't need help fighting the Top 1-2 of the Verse

[full lagoon]

Probably would be if the herbivores weren't generally characterized as fodder later on

[mental cloak]

Rexy ia just old and "senile" atp

Now the Ember in other hand is very wellnourished and like
Chonky

[balmy oyster]

Rebirth rex would demolish the competiton btw

Rexy is just fodder, out of her prime (yet we never got to see her be in her prime)

[full lagoon]

Average powerscaling be like:

(The logic is unbelievably ass and usually based on bad writing or forced connections)

[charred hearth]

would the top of the verse be

1 - mosa
2 - indom
3 - giga
4 - scorpius rex
5 - indo

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes
Totally Ignore how Rexy also killed a Para on CC, Killed a Carno on FK, Killed a Baryonyx, Very Likely Killed Tarbo, and defeated Lady Margaret/Trike

[queen oar]

I thought her name was Big Bertha, but nah, apparently it isn't.

[balmy oyster]

3 would be spino

@fossil ingot fodder herbi, fodder carno, fodder bary, she got lucky, isn’t that game not canon or am I thinking of something else

[fossil ingot]

Yeah no Ember is not beating Rexy
Smaller, Worse Feats and Worse Narrative given how Inconsistant Rebirth's Narrative is and how contradictory it is

[jagged trellis]

sadly it is a case of just dumb stuff
sometimes its funny though, given this logic a certain jw carno is also on the same tiering
though again these 2 are just bad writing, not raw bits alas

[balmy oyster]

“Rexy wins guys even though she gets bullied by everything her size, trust me bro it’s just feats and stats!”

[charred hearth]

that carno dosent count as it was a burn victim and just lost to a sinoceratops

@balmy oyster jurassic park the game is soft cannon / secondary, its cannon expect for the parts that contradict main cannon

also, why do you scale spino above giga?

[full lagoon]

It's gonna be stupid as long as we have people meat riding characters and making poorly thought stories

[fossil ingot]

"Gets bullied by everythinv her Size"
Indom and Giga are both Larger than Her
You haven't even given a Proper Narrative on how Ember Wins LMAO

[mental cloak]

"Ignore that she's old too!"

[balmy oyster]

Wait are…are you actually getting mad over this? You do realise I’m not being 100% serious right? 😭

[fossil ingot]

That Carno does Count
Its literally better than 90% of what the Rexes did😭

[charred hearth]

is this image accurate?

[jagged trellis]

yeah, for every goji where the scaling is just being caked up and mauling everyone and its working, there is a jw where its
not working

[queen oar]

tbh, the Indominus was only winning due to the extra feat of the fore claws, and in Dominion, Rexy is probably a little skinny, assumingly due to the Giga stealing her kills constantly.

[full lagoon]

How did you know I was talking about Godzilla too 😭 (although I'd still argue some things are blown out of proportion by faulty logic)

[balmy oyster]

That is true, didn’t account for that

I see, even if not fully canon I wish it was cus it’s pretty fun

Cus giga was pretty mid ngl, couldn’t even kill rexy and got bullied by people. meanwhile spino was a complete menace and destroyed the competition (and also has the brainpower to understand fire is dangerous and to avoid it instead of eating it…)

[fossil ingot]

Pretty Much

[mental cloak]

That spino was the real jp monster back in the day

[balmy oyster]

If we use onscreen size then distortus rex could audition for the monsterverse

[full lagoon]

Lmfao

[fossil ingot]

Dominion Rezy is as Bulky as JP Rexy, Rexy and Giga relationship is normally just okey
Rexy Arrives, Giga fights her and He Wins, later they fight again and She dominates the fight, later they do a mini fights where Giga steals the deer, Later they fight Again on the Movie and he finally wins properly

[queen oar]

what if we use a in-between official and onscreen sizes?

[mental cloak]

Didnt the Dihrex changed sizes all the time in the movie lmao?😭

[balmy oyster]

She wins cus she needed her opponent to be distracted (average rexy L) giga implied to bully rexy for food

[fossil ingot]

Giga wasn't distracted, Mf quite literally sees Rezy coming at him and is to slow to properly react
And even when he fights her head on she still dominates

[jagged trellis]

when its arguably the strongest character in fiction and nigh every person with influence agrees with it
its gonna be a talking point

[misty scarab]

I lean towards rexy as a personal opinion

[mental cloak]

Rexy also won agisnt the giga cuz she had the finger boy (theri) to help her bcuz ofc

[balmy oyster]

Acrocanthosaurus solos the competition anyways

[full lagoon]

Fair lol

[fossil ingot]

Still love Giga tho
Awesome dude
https://youtu.be/rFr0bWLAWm8?si=4ouuVx6evOiK0BAO

[mental cloak]

Why is vegeta there lol

[balmy oyster]

Because he can be

[queen oar]

Here's the thing, I am running with the idea that she was going through some malnutrition, because in every material prior to the events in Dominion, she kinda wasn't being reported to catch a lot of dinosaurs ( when they were invading global fauna ), cause to say she got weaker from her age, doesn't seem to add up, when a lot of dinosaurs in the franchise don't seem to suffer any major physical disabilities from things like Blindness, etc.

[full lagoon]

I think everyone can agree that Acro mogs lol

[jagged trellis]

i will say this convo is very funny just to like
read

[queen oar]

I mean yeah, the poor bastard just doesn't get a lot of paleomedia appearance, or else it would be like top 5 most famous Theropods.

[balmy oyster]

In full seriousness if rexy could hunt properly she’d easily be the top 1 in her universe aside from mosa

[mental cloak]

Agree
I mean i still say some things but i mainly read what the big leagues have to say

[fossil ingot]

DK Carcha>

@queen oar Thats the Narrative of FK Rexy yeah, not really JWD

[charred hearth]

what the hell was mosa eating to survive if it wasnt preying on whales seeing how it was actively hanging out with them

[rich vessel]

Wait really? It looked so much bigger

[misty scarab]

unfortunate how we barely even get much of the mosasaurus near the later movies

[balmy oyster]

Unless all of rebirth is retconned then we know stuff like megalodons became extant again so there was likely other prehistoric animals for gigamosa to hunt

[queen oar]

stupid idea, it has a hibernation mechanism, so it burns the fats it had preserved on it's body, until it felt something that could be food appeared

[charred hearth]

the idea of having dunk and megalodon being alive in the verse but only letting us see skeletons of them...

[mental cloak]

Oohh she's that frog that freezes itself/j

[fossil ingot]

The size of Ember in its Size Chart is consistant with every piece of media Universal uses for it
Its On Screen Size is just gigantic
Which is fine not first time it happens

[queen oar]

Pretty much. I mean, I don't know how that would work for a marine animal, that also needs to breath air, but seems to be the only logical explanation

[charred hearth]

intriguing

[mental cloak]

Ngl bein serious i wont be surprised if they pulled that out their arses to justify why rexy is like that
Cuz of the frog dna thing

[fossil ingot]

Most Theropods are actually rather close in size
Then theres just Indom been Dumb

[queen oar]

oh no, I was saying it for the Mosa. When it was like still trapped in the Lagoon

[charred hearth]

who out mogs who
spino or giga

[mental cloak]

Oh i brainfarted ig
But still
Insane

[mental cloak]

Spino mogs everyone(my opinion becuz i love spino)

[queen oar]

I think it's funny how I kinda like the Indom design a lot now. The exaggerated size is reflective of hybrids like Ligers, and the white coloration is referencing inbred White Tigers.

[fossil ingot]

In Terms of Coolness I have Spino above Giga but its close
In terms of fighting
I have Giga
Better Combat been the main reason
Both are Durable asf but Giga just has more ways to reliable harm Spino while been a better fighter

[mental cloak]

Same with her dead brother
Which was black

@queen oar yes

[queen oar]

He was?

[fossil ingot]

Sister
And her Sister was also likely white

Ppl think it was Black due to Games having Indominus Rex Gen 2 been Black
And Say its Male cause idk fits I guess

[queen oar]

funny headcanon, I guess.

[mental cloak]

Oh wait fr?
Wait i remmebee vididly of in the movie sayin she had a brother

[fossil ingot]

Ember Mogs all JP/JW Rexes anyways

[mental cloak]

He so tiny:3

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Movie said they made her a sister but she killed her
And Makes sense it would be a sister since they wanna avoid breading as much as possible

@mental cloak He is handsome and a Short King
Still same weight as the Other Rexes
Just visually smaller
He is stated to have more fat and muscle so it compensates

[misty scarab]

Ember vs having sufficient narrative

[mental cloak]

I love him
Also yeah he more fat
Unlike the malnourishid rexy
Poor girl

Also 2:i was wrong about the brother thing and makes sense if thats the case

[fossil ingot]

And yeah On Screen D-Rex size is funny

[queen oar]

I personally have a headcanon that the sibling wasn't really killed by the one we have in the film, the one in the film kinda of already has many setbacks due to the combination of traits of multiple animals

So, I kinda just imagined that the sibling was actually born, but had some form of malformation/deformity, which later they euthanized it. And Claire made up the " She killed her sibling " story, or else, Masrani would've got pissed.

[misty scarab]

and yet we have people thinking this is its actual canonical size

[mental cloak]

This thing changes size everytime it appears
Also do we now what sex it is?

[fossil ingot]

Ehh tmk its gender is unknown
Prob Male? Who knows

[mental cloak]

It give male vibes for me

[queen oar]

it's cause of the bald head

[fossil ingot]

Canonical size trust
Bro almost skull island kong

[misty scarab]

let em have this one i guess 😔

[mental cloak]

Thats a big ahh helicopter

[fossil ingot]

My Beloved Fatty

[mental cloak]

Chonky

[misty scarab]

and then theres the wacky size charts and estimates..

[fossil ingot]

Yuh

[mental cloak]

Are they official?(dumbahh question ik(

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Size Chart size is Consistant with what Universal has everywhere
Hell its consistant with the Maquettes Prime Studio does aswell

God I love this so Much
Prime Studio I love you

[charred hearth]

if scorpios rex was a real animal, what clade do y'all think it would be apart of if it WAS a real animal and not a hybrid

[mental cloak]

Its mine now! eats it up

[fossil ingot]

Weird ugly abeli or magaratopr

[misty scarab]

yeah thats true.

[mental cloak]

Abelisauridae but more closely related with the ceratosaurids cus of the arms
I know ceratosaurid disnt had long ahh arms but that my guess

[fossil ingot]

Agree

[misty scarab]

probably some ceratosaurian that split off, it does resemble some form of abelisaurid along with having other features of its own. so maybe

[mental cloak]

Aye u got the vision

[charred hearth]

if indom was a real animal, would you say its leaning being in apart of Carcharodontosauridae or tyrannosauridae?

[sonic plinth]

i’d make an educated guess and say she’d somewhere between dromaeosauridae (or maybe even a group like megaraptora from her arms?) and theropods (either tyrannosaurs or carcharodontosaurs) due to her velociraptor genome portion! i believe she does also have allosaurus and/or carnotaurus in her dna though which admittedly kind of muddles things…

her dna is just a mess ☹️

[undone rapids]

There's like 7 abelisaurs in its DNA, so that.

Design wise I guess some type of allosauroid

[mental cloak]

My bet is also Abelisauridae cu there so muxh abelisaurs in her dna than anything lol

[sonic plinth]

she also has most of the notable features of an abelisaur: robust limbs and a thick, ornamented skull. the arms are a little iffy as in abelisaurids they were considered to be vestigial and indom’s are… not

[steep atlas]

it would belong to every taxon it had genes from

[sonic plinth]

i’m not meaning the i-rex as a hybrid (because let’s face it, the indominus is not a dinosaur)- i’m more or less hypothesizing about if it was an actual dinosaur with legitimate fossils found somewhere on earth!

[mental cloak]

Pizza

[misty scarab]

based off appearance alone, i guess some allosaur, but its genetic makeup is all over the place

[low raven]

When it’s just those those they’re fairly close but rexy is a decent amount larger than all the other Rexes aside from big Eatie who’s exactly the same size for some reason

[mental cloak]

How accurate is tarbo from prehistoric kingdom?

[outer tusk]

very accurate

[frigid delta]

who the hell is Tianchisaurus and why we'd never heard that guy before?
also, what does he even do?

[outer tusk]

what does it do 😭

[stiff osprey]

his best

[runic heart]

Abelisaur

[runic heart]

NO LIIIIIIIIPS 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Actually, why IS tarbo so often depicted in games without lips?

[ionic linden]

PK tarbo doesnt have lips?

[outer tusk]

it does

[runic heart]

Oh they updated it. All the images I see when I search it have no lips.

[mental cloak]

But this one has lips

[fossil ingot]

Buck and Doe are the same size as Rexy, and Arguably so its Bull
And there is a reason for this, Universal simply said Fk it and Retconnected the Size for the Adult Rexes to be the same except for Ember
This becomes more Clear when the Video of the Rex Species gives the same size for the Species as a whole
In the JP Saga Originally they were 4.4m Tall and 11.3m Long
This for all Rexes, JP Rexy is Consistantly this Size and Buck is stated 15ft tall and 39ft lomg which is barely larger than this tho it also has stuff for same size as the rest, Doe is same cases as this, Bull the same case
On Later Years they were upsized to about 4.9m and 12.8m, however since you know wanted to introduce new bigger bads, they made Rexy 5.2m tall and 13.5m long on JW, and since then that kinda just became the Regular Size for the Adult of the Species, which is why Spino's Size was also Retcon aswell to match this changes
To about 18ft tall and 50ft long
Which is why B.E Model in both CT and CC is the same size as Rexy's
Buck and Doe on CT are confirmed to have Slightly Smaller models than Rexy simply so its easier to identify them
So they are actually same size as her in reality
So yeah

[fossil ingot]

And here regarding CT Buck and Doe

[runic heart]

Oh no. I guess I can only hope the script isn’t cheesy.

[low raven]

Guess they retconned it then since I do remember Rexy was always supposed to be the largest hence why they picked her for JP and yeah buck and doe from my knowledge where both the same size at 15ft tall and 39ft tall while Bull is the smallest adult at 14.5ft tall and 37ft long and Rexy at least in the JP era was 16ft tall and the length 40 ft long but yeah in JW I know she’s 17ft tall and 44ft long in Dominion, but guess they’re all about the same now then since I do know Big Eatie is the same size as her

[fossil ingot]

Yeah they reconnected so all adults are just the same size
And JP Rexy is 14.5ft abd 37ft
Based on her Maquette and her Irl Maquette Size
The Reason they picked Rexy for JP is unknown

[fossil ingot]

Like the Size based on the Maquettes is pretty consistant

[mental cloak]

What's up with josh

[deep coral]

Can I get the most up-to-date spino gdi or skeletal diagram?

[balmy oyster]

He josh’d a little too hard

[mental cloak]

Me when i josh'd it tol hard
Ouch!

[frigid delta]

what is y'alls dinosaur pick that gave you this vibes?
for me, i'll go for hadrosaurs because they're known for being a defenseless fodder that does absolutely nothing but walk into a predator's mouth

[timid delta]

Masiakasaurus from prehistoric planet

[mental cloak]

Who tf is Glonk lmao

[paper parcel]

brachytrachelopan

[queen oar]

Therizinosaurs. They either do something, or they do nothing.

[paper parcel]

This is glonk(alierasaurus)

[mental cloak]

Most mid sized ornithiscians(like camptosaurus for exemple) who are just there for predator food and dont do much in most documentaries

[mental cloak]

Cotylorhinchus my beloved and wonderfull creature

[paper parcel]

Nah this isn't cotylorhynchus, its the bigger relative called Alierasaurus

[mental cloak]

Oh?
I didnt know about that guy
OMG THIS THING IS MASSIVE

[paper parcel]

Estemenosuchus(crown crocodile), its also a synapsid so its closer to every mammal to ever exist then any archosaur

[paper parcel]

Also dimetrodon without sails are real, they are just called sphenacodons

[mental cloak]

I know aboyt these guys they r weird
Cuz im so used to em having sails and shi

[paper parcel]

Also the thing I just learned about, Pachycephalosaurus(but its a mammal/giraffe) or Discokeryx

[mental cloak]

Hm yes

[queen oar]

Is there any Carnivores mod comparable to Legacy?

[warm saddle]

Is the big spino thing reliable?

[coral forge]

Arkharavia

this thing, but it lives with a 12 ton tyrannosaur and the Asian equivalent of Nanotyrannus

[paper parcel]

Literally the only way i could see this thing living if it managed to be semiaquatic and hiding from predators, using its neck as a snorkel.

[coral forge]

nah its definetly just a baby because the only material is teeth and an isolated vertebra, but its still a funny thought

[paper parcel]

Imagine if we found a irl semiaquatic sauropod though lol, like a brachiosaurus or argentinosaurus sized manatee

[grave tinsel]

would something like suchotitan be a good name?

[coral forge]

That sounds more like a giant pseudosuchian or spinosaurid

[stable sun]

It's also dubious.

[coral forge]

I wonder why

[stable sun]

because the diagnostic characters were based on ornithischian caudals lmao

[coral forge]

I know, its sarcasm

[stable sun]

i know it's sarcasm

[paper parcel]

ThalassoTitan, the manatee sauropod of the Florida everglades

[nocturne merlin]

thats already a mosasaur

[scenic flame]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassotitan

[ashen wedge]

Is there a version of this for the Spiky Demon from the River Styx?

[winter marsh]

Perucetus is kinda that

[winter marsh]

Leptoceratops

[granite thicket]

OPH-2318?
It's half a toe bone that's 145% bigger than that of neotype so if you scale it literally it's 16m but I wouldnt take it srsly

[runic heart]

I think I’ve asked this before, but are there ANY dinosaur or other archosaur stomach scales that ARENT the rectangular crocodilian-like ones? I couldn’t find any examples.

[scenic flame]

concaveantor and I think allosaurus show snake like scales

[green helm]

intrusive thought question, can trex make a pop sound with its jaws

[steep atlas]

Probably

[runic heart]

Don’t they show both kinds though?

Like, aren’t the snake scales on the neck and tail region specifically?

[paper parcel]

Sea cotylorhynchus

[coral forge]

the ocean titan lives in the swamp?

[paper parcel]

Yes

[coral forge]

I kinda like Titanopotamus; "Titan of the river"

[runic heart]

How likely do we think it is that larger dromaeosaurs like Utahraptor weren’t feathered?

[true juniper]

Do you guys think Giant dinosaurs always had a swarm of Flies following them cuz theyre big and stinky

[runic heart]

Yes

[coral forge]

well there isnt much reason to consider them not to be feathered

[runic heart]

I’ve seen people bring up its size and environment, that’s kinda it.

[coral forge]

500kg is not big enough to make being feathered an issue
there are birds twice that size with full coats of feathers

[little mauve]

Feathers and fur aren't a 1:1 with respect to overheating either. Feathers can be used to cool the animal as well if they're advanced enough, which they would be in Utahraptor

[waxen jewel]

Also even if it was 1:1 utahraptors were the size of bears, which are fully furred

[coral forge]

and also birds that prove feathers are fine for a several hundred kg animal

[little mauve]

Yep all good points, mammals are worse at managing heat than birds in general as well

[coral forge]

Oh wait theres also Yutyrannus which is like almost triple the size of Utahraptor too lmao

[waxen jewel]

Oh yeah lol

[runic heart]

Of course, yes.

[little mauve]

I'd venture that without extremely strong support to the contrary, which we have very little of, all coelurosaurs were feathered to some degree

[runic heart]

I do say I like this design is cool.

Doesn’t Utahraptor not have a pygostyle? Or at least evidence of one in the tail vertebrae?

[coral forge]

imo if a 1 ton bird can be feathered on a subtropical island then a 0.5 dromaeosaur on a subtropical continent can be feathered
Also agree with gbones. I think every coelurosaur would have some form of feathers, even the likes of Tyrannosaurus and Deinocheirus who I think probably had the same kind of feather coverage as elephants have hair

[runic heart]

Deinocheirus had a pygostyle which possibly suggests more than that.

[little mauve]

No dromaeosaur has been found with one, they have very unique tail morphology

[coral forge]

It wasnt actually a pygostyle, though it was originally thought to be one

[runic heart]

Then what is it?

[coral forge]

just normal vertebrae iirc

[waxen jewel]

What’s a pygostyle? 👀

[coral forge]

fused vertebrae at the end of the tail that support a tail fan

[runic heart]

So it’s possible that not all of them had a tail fan?

[little mauve]

Ornithomimosaurs lack one generally, Deinocheirus' never made sense

[waxen jewel]

Does a lack of a pygostyle preclude the presence of a tail fan then?

[little mauve]

No it does not, a pygostyle is just a particularly advanced one

[outer tusk]

^

[coral forge]

No, it just means there's no giant peacocks running around

[charred hearth]

whats the largest species on isla nublar that it would realistically be able to house a stable population of?

[paper parcel]

Synapsid moment

[charred hearth]

my guess for the largest is bary

[paper parcel]

I love giraffes.

[little mauve]

22 square km, nothing bigger than a pig is establishing on that island

[charred hearth]

damn, its that small??

[little mauve]

Yeah it's tiny, it's an amusement park

[charred hearth]

how the hell did the dinosaurs survive on it after the fall of jurassic world

[little mauve]

Bad writing. The Lost World retconned the lysine deficiency but they literally weren't designed to live in wild populations

[waxen jewel]

Didn’t retcon, they had an explanation

Whether or not it was a good explanation though is up for debate lol

[little mauve]

Fair enough, there was a suspicious amount of soy growing on those islands is all I'll say

[ashen wedge]

Beautiful

[charred hearth]

what was it?

[waxen jewel]

The herbivores were eating plants rich in lysine, and then the carnivores would eat the herbivores and get it that way

[little mauve]

Thank you Dr. Harding

[fossil ingot]

Idk
Prob less than Sorna or St Hubert

[charred hearth]

how big was sorna and st hubert?

[crisp matrix]

A "tail fan" can still happen even without a pygostyle, but it's a different kind of tail fan than we see in modern birds. Take Archaeopteryx, for example. That has a tail fan but no pygostyle. That's the type of tail fan that would be possible in dromaeosaurs. Something large that can spread like a modern bird's tail, however, is only known in taxa with a pygostyle

[waxen jewel]

If I could change my nickname for this server that would be it lmao

[fossil ingot]

Sorna is Significally larger than Nublar
I need to see if I can find St Hubert

[little mauve]

She was pretty badass

Yeah Sorna is like 170 sq miles. Still too small for any really large animal

[fossil ingot]

Rough Comparison

[little mauve]

About the size of Antigua + Barbuda put together

[charred hearth]

whats the largest animal we know was on the island that would be able to have a stable population on it?

[fossil ingot]

I would have to see on Jack Edwin Server if ST Hubert size is mentioned
All we kinda have is the Shape

[little mauve]

Probably not much larger than what could survive on nublar, pig or small deer sized or smaller

[fossil ingot]

Arguably 30 square km if we use Dino Tracker
But yeah isn't exactly huge

[charred hearth]

how big is it too, lets say...hateg?

[little mauve]

Hateg was ~80k sq km, like the size of Ireland

[charred hearth]

how the hell is it smaller then hateg

[little mauve]

What do you mean?

[charred hearth]

i dont know, i always thought it was a small island and and the isla isle's were much bigger

[little mauve]

Yeah sorna and nublar are both way too small for any big dinosaurs to sustainably live on. Part of the point of the books really. Hateg was a legitimately large island like Ireland or Hispaniola

[thorn grove]

Hateg island became modern romania which is in fact an entire country and significantly larger than the isle islands

[little mauve]

John Hammond wasn't going to spend a dime on sq acreage if he didn't have to

[charred hearth]

what was the safer park to work at
prehestoric park
or
jurassic park

[little mauve]

As far as we know Jophrey the gatekeeper is the only worker to die in Jurassic Park (not including the deaths during Grant et als visit). Prehistoric Park had no fatalities iirc but it's been a while.

[paper parcel]

prehistoric park

[charred hearth]

it didnt but it was also very cheap

[little mauve]

Well one is a sci fi horror adventure and the other is a kids program. I'd say the powers of the latter combined with their quantum mechanations makes PP the much more resilient experience

If you die in PP, Nigel marvin can just go back and save you. But destroy causality in the process. Maybe it is more dangerous.....

[thorn grove]

prehistoric planet was designed more like a normal zoo while jurassic park was more like a theme park with animals, kinda like busch gardens if youre familiar with that. Despite the lower expenses the former is probably an overall safer design although the latter would probably have been fine realistically it's just that it's a horror movie so yea

[little mauve]

Yeah i mean the point of jurassic park is that it's a whole sequence of events that go wrong. From the logic of the park itself to nedry to the hurricane. It was a perfect storm for lack of a better term. And not that many people died honestly compared to like JW where it's ridiculously dozens or hundreds of people killed

[charred hearth]

the Embolotherium called billy joe jenkins getting ready to gore me because Bob forgot to close the enclosure gate

[little mauve]

I should re-watch PP those Nigel Marvin specials were awesome iirc

I remember those dinky wooden fences though

[thorn grove]

pp was honestly a really fun series i havent seen it in years tho

[little mauve]

I think docs that include humans for scale is a very clever idea

[queen oar]

@little mauve do we know anything about how buyont Perucetus would be?

[little mauve]

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ar.20533

Might be a place to start 🤔

[queen oar]

Very likely, the extension of that feathering and how it would vary on different sections of the body is a different question tho.

[little mauve]

It's safe to say they had pennaceous wing and tail feathers at least with a downy coat

[queen oar]

I mean yeah, but I meant more like variation of the integument type itself.

[little mauve]

What do you mean by variation?

[queen oar]

So per say, pennaceous feathers won't look the same on all species, they'll look different, assumingly minor or major differences being correlated to function or lack of certain functions in that species. But, in the animal itself, the integuments aren't exactly all the same on every place of the body, of course this might not exactly be true to every species, but to extinct species which we tend to lack a good idea of the diversity of integuments they may had in life, it is a bit more complicated.

Technically, we do have a good example of something similar, in Tupandactylus. But most of those integuments are from the area of the head, and they are already pretty diverse.

[little mauve]

I see what you're saying, yeah there would probably be some variation. Pennaceous wing feathers overall show a fairly consistent structure though

[little mauve]

Lol

It was actually because dromaeosaurs are secondarily flightless and wing feathers are plesiomorphic for the group

[queen oar]

@little mauve You never gonna guess. Youtube is showing me a Colossal ad LMFAO

[little mauve]

Nooooo

Thats terrible

Hey let's clone some mammals with no prior generation to raise them. Awesome!

[winter marsh]

Couldnt they try using animals that we have (like grey wolves for that "dire wolf") instead of raising them with human care and no interaction with other individuals outside of the original batch

[little mauve]

Sure they could but they're not and even if they did a "dire wolf" raised by Grey wolves would be a Grey wolf

[queen oar]

ironic since they don't have any Aenocyon dirus genes anyways lmao

[little mauve]

They have no respect for life in general

[queen oar]

Almost like their entire existence is just to serve as a justification to abolish every conversation effort worldwide.

[little mauve]

Trump administration giving them a nod, founders going on Joe Rogan, yeah id say you're probably on the right track

[mental cloak]

Oh god i didnt know about the joe rogan

[little mauve]

Yup, both founders

[queen oar]

" So, what do you think of Mushrooms? "

[little mauve]

Honestly it warms my heart that younger people have an immediate adverse reaction when I bring that up

Ultimately they're a startup and startups are legally obligated to their investors. So hype is the name of the game

[winter marsh]

ngl why are we tryna revive stuff when, yk we could save what we still have alive today

[mental cloak]

Money

[winter marsh]

I think they'd get a lot more money if they did smth like cloning a bunch of Black Rhinoceros or White Rhinoceros (which are extremely endangered or extinct in nature, I dont remember). Its an animal that was a part of most people's childhood and both of their most famous representatives are just dying cuz of some religious belief

[charred hearth]

they are doing it to sadve billonares so they can ruin the world more

[mental cloak]

Yeah but they wont
Becuz thats not important to them

[queen oar]

See, it's not about being competent and making money for the longest amount of time, it's about making money for the shortest amount of time and go bankrupt, because then everyone will forget it, and they'll do it again

[winter marsh]

so the thing is we just dont support them. God dammit why do people with money always want more

[mental cloak]

But then u have the good ones
Like the Pleistocene Park
Even tho no one knows about em aparentaly

[little mauve]

Yup, pleistocene park has been run by legitimate scientists for almost two decades and is non profit

[mint spindle]

Case #9939 @tribal path has been warned.
Reason: Invite link.

[charred hearth]

please keep your pet dromeosaurids inside, they kill local fauna like pterosaurus populations

[mental cloak]

At least they don't go on
Paint 2 dogs white and say they brougt back the dire wolf

[little mauve]

When you compare the two projects it's like night and day

[mental cloak]

Its like crap and gold

[charred hearth]

is it valid for the government to kill feral pet dromeosaurids ?

[mental cloak]

Idk
What u think?

[charred hearth]

well, i have 3 pet dromeosaurids but their inside dromeosaurids so i dont know how i really feel, i wouldnt let them out due to their effects on the ecosystem

[mental cloak]

Thats fair

[stiff osprey]

you can't be feral and a pet at the same time, feral means an untamed animal with domestic ancestors

that said people who allow invasive predators to roam free should at least get a fat fine

[charred hearth]

if your gonna let them roam free, give them like, something that makes noises to stop sneaking up, like bells or something that hangs, i know some dromeosaurid owners give them hanging jewerly

[mental cloak]

Yeah
Those lil christamas bells

[charred hearth]

who would be the bigger menance to the enviroment
a australian feral cat or a small dromeosaurid like velo

[stiff osprey]

cat, they reproduce way faster

[charred hearth]

dont those australian feral cats get like, massive?

[queen oar]

supposedly

[charred hearth]

also, why do people have a issues with feral cats more then they do with feral dogs?

[thorn grove]

afaik feral cats are significantly more harmful ecologically but i havent really researched it

[stiff osprey]

feral dogs are not very efficient predators, they survive mostly on human garbage. cats on the other hand are just as good hunters as they were 10000 years ago

[charred hearth]

australia is really the only place they found suscess right due to slotting into the niche that was left unattended?

[cloud dagger]

There are also new guinea singing dogs

[queen oar]

wondering, would there be a different effect if those were breeds of dogs bred for the purpose of hunting?

[stiff osprey]

dingoes and NGSDs were released in the wild thousands of years ago, so i'd guess they were ''less domesticated'' than modern european or american feral dogs

and over those thousands of years they've been isolated from other domestic dogs and have adapted to become more efficient hunters

[charred hearth]

why do dingos count as naturalized species but feral horses in america dont? arent they filling in the niche that was left behind?

[glossy kestrel]

Hello! I haven't talked in this channel but I didn't realize it was here. I'm excited to talk about paleontology!

Also vvv ok...kinda rude...

[charred hearth]

snivy >>

damn tough crowd

[queen oar]

both is good.

[glossy kestrel]

Anyways, can I go and punch whoever decided on the Quetzalcoatlus to be...that...in Jurassic World Rebirth?

They literally could have said it was a Hatzegopteryx and it would have been more accurate (still not correct, but better)

AND FURTHERMORE! THEY LITERALLY HAD A DECENTLY ACCURATE QUETZ IN THE LAST ENTRY!

Also, if this island supposedly has "100% DNA" creatures, WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT!

AND in the initial museum scene, they show a completely fake quetz fossil with this new design...

Bottom line, they need to hire actual paleontologists for that series...

[stiff osprey]

the quetz was the best part of dominion and it is entirely in line with the jw franchise to just drop it and make an ugly ass new one

at least the rex was an improvement

[fossil ingot]

St Hubert Animals are kinda
Not Defects per say, but they were abandoned for a reason

[queen oar]

Jurassic Park Fans are the reason Rebirth is bad as it is, and I'm tired of pretending they are not.

[glossy kestrel]

I suppose...

I liked the mosa + spino

Also I think the concept of exploring the effect wild dinosaurs in our modern day environment was REALLY interesting and the "ohhhh they all died :(" thing was kind of a copout bc we see stuff like pyroraptor surviving just fine in snow

[fossil ingot]

Byosin Quetz/JWD Dominion was made by Byosin unlike JWR Quetz which was made by Ingen
And Byosin Dinos are stated to be accurate for how they look on the verse
St Hubert is anything but stated 100% accurate, thats Byosin's whole thing

[tough parcel]

This argument is nuked the second the Quetz skeleton in the museum was 1-1 w/ the InGen quetzal

[glossy kestrel]

yes, but if the movie shows me an incorrect pterosaur im gonna point it out >:(

[stiff osprey]

''the equator has more oxygen than the rest of the earth'' has got to be top three stupidest JW moments
right up there with ''all dinosaurs lived at the same time in the same place'' from dominion and ''breathing in a pyroclastic flow is a minor inconvenience'' from FK

[queen oar]

Pretty sure it wasn't a Pyroclastic flow.

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Is not meant to be a Fossil thats 100% correct
Universe Wise, all the dinos made by Byosin are 100% accurate to how they look on the verse

[stiff osprey]

bro really said ''the fossil is not meant to be accurate''

[fossil ingot]

I mean yeah, who is to say that the it is just another Quetz Species, or who knows
Just grabbed a Skeleton from Ingens Quetz
The Movie has Inconsistencies ofc
But this doesn't retcon Byosin Quetz
Is just Rebirth been a mess

[glossy kestrel]

im so stupid for some reason i thought it was wrong...

[tough parcel]

I mean it is, you are correct in the assessment that the museum skeleton made the BioSyn Quetz wrong

Also the InGen Quetz are not accessible by the public nor do they seem to range away from the island, at what point would the museum have collected a skeleton of theirs

[fossil ingot]

To us they aren't
But Lore Wise they are

Not like we have Big Quetz head anyways

[glossy kestrel]

but like...its a FOSSIL not a skeleton

thats my issue

I JUST WANTED HATZ REPRESENTATION

[fossil ingot]

We say that not like thet aren't like alot more Ingens Mosas that died, or how JP3 Pteras Canonically made it to the main land
Who are we to denied they didn't just
Fly to the mainland
Wouldn't be the first time

[mental cloak]

I like to imagine that JWR's quetz are just hatz's
Becuz that makes me feel happy

[outer tusk]

I WANT MY NECK SCRAPS TO BE REPRESENTED!!!!

[queen oar]

Chaos will follow now.

[glossy kestrel]

Anyways but enough movie discussion; I just read the rules and realized that was a massive breach of them. I apologize.

[outer tusk]

JWR Quetz are Wellnhopterus check

[fossil ingot]

Its likely a Fossil but who knows
I wouldn't trust Dr Henry Lomid and his 11t Titanosaur

And some Museum have mounts been made incorrectly so

[mental cloak]

Oh i didnt know about theses guys
Well
Sure i dig that
I mean they r oversized af but sure

[glossy kestrel]

how does one mount a beak so wrong that it makes a crest...

also its beak was far too thick

[outer tusk]

I mean its not about the size I was saying tbh

[mental cloak]

No i know what were u talkin about

[fossil ingot]

We don't even have Big Quetz Skull
So I guess Imagination for the verse goes okey

[mental cloak]

I +/- agree with u but
That design still not a good one
For a quetz
But if they did it for a hatz
Maybe thats more fitin

[glossy kestrel]

its such a thin neck though that idt it could support a beak like hatz

plus hatz's beak is specialized for its hunting style

[outer tusk]

can't wait for those indeterminate materials to be described

[mental cloak]

Aye me too

[queen oar]

@outer tusk hey, if I can ask. Why do you your dinosaurs so skinny?

[outer tusk]

example?

[fossil ingot]

Not like the verse is meant to be 100% accurate Maybe
Aside from the Speculative Big Crest
Is not even bad
Honestly don't see the Neck been an Issue
Not even Hatz has a THICK asf Neck

[glossy kestrel]

its also much more stocky than quetz

plus, the universe accuracy is a strange argument, as this is set in the real world?

Addressing reply, look at the neck. The wings and the membrane are actually horrible, too.

[fossil ingot]

The Universe has its own Accuracy Designs
All Byosin Dinos aside from the Atrocis are 100% accurate
Yes this Includes Giga and others like Iggy, etc

[glossy kestrel]

imagine some random guy in texas has it in his basement

"Yeah that theres mah drinkin rock. Keeps mah drinks cold."

and its just a quetz skull with a cooler in the beak

[outer tusk]

I don't know if I would reference my hadrosaur hybrid but its not very skinny espeically I added more tissue to its neck to fit the ouranosaurus hump

[mental cloak]

"The biggest flyin dinosaur"
I just want to talk to him holdin a shotgun

[outer tusk]

so would just have another taurovenator scenario if tha twas really the case besides it being in someone basement but a lab like Sereno

[glossy kestrel]

Again though, FOSSILS

If the FOSSIL is inaccurate, than that disproves all BioSyn and InGen stuff, as its millions of years old

[fossil ingot]

Is not much stockier than Byosin Quetz tbf

[queen oar]

Well, the mandible tissues are pretty tight, you forgot the tissues that attach from the humerus to the shoulders, lower side of the neck is good, but the upperside could've been worked a bit, lower side could've used some mass in general.

[glossy kestrel]

Or Irritator where its in a storage bin

[stiff osprey]

naw, JW stopped being set in the real world when they showed north america 65 million years ago with giganotosaurus and dreadnoughtus and iguanodon

[mental cloak]

And rex

[stiff osprey]

tbh yeah showing a t.rex alive 65 million years ago is just as inaccurate as a giganotosaurus in north america

[mental cloak]

I think the jw movies r in a bizzarro dimention where everything happens all the same time at the same moment
And everyone i dumb af

[fossil ingot]

No??
Cause we don't know if thats a 100% accurate Fossil that Henry Lewis has in his Museum, theres also the fact they could had just grabbed a Dead Byosin Quetz and took its Bones
We know a few mosas died in the main land
And we know Ingen captured JP3 Pteras who arrived at the mainland
Who is to say this wasn't the case
We don't even know the origins of said skeleton lol
And it wouldn't disprove Byosin
It would just be one of the already thousand of Inconsistances Rebirth has which can just be ignored later on
Universal hasn't said anything either nor have Universal Consultants

[stiff osprey]

evidence JW is a crossover with everything everywhere all at once...

[mental cloak]

Holy moly!!

[glossy kestrel]

you're true you're true

I just think the entire series needs to pretend nothing after Fallen Kingdom happened so we can go back to dinos in the wild 😎

For instance: I LOVED Chaos Theory. It showed exactly what was going on, how they were adapting, etc. Peak show, imo. (yes there were inaccuracies, but far less than anything else)

[outer tusk]

I mostly reference off of what DnD said, since hes good with hadrosaur anatomy but if you can just provide some visual corrections on my hybrid that could be fine though am not really changing it much

[mental cloak]

U forgot the lazer guns
Classic hadrosaur anatomy

[fossil ingot]

CT had the advantage of been made with ppl who worked on Dominion and wer3 consulting alot with them aswell
And the series is rather consistant within the Timeline
JWR Just kinda
Fked things

[glossy kestrel]

How
Okay, those arent fossils
This quetz is NOT built for long distance
I mean the museum is saying people arent interested in fossils, which tells us it is indeed a fossil. If not, stupid writing.
"ignored later on" 😭
I'm judging this scientifically, and scientifically I want to throttle every producer and writer and director involved

[mental cloak]

Do u guys think the next JW movie would be at least watchtable?

[queen oar]

I mean, I don't know about how the skeleton underneath looks like, and assume it's an entirely creative work. So I can't really suggest much, given that I do not know the entire context. But I did draw Ouranosaurus and Maiasaura, if you want.

[glossy kestrel]

no. not unless they retcon rebirth tbh. the whole "ohhhhhhh they need equator" is unrecoverable.

[tough parcel]

Me when I run into a wall too fast

[mental cloak]

I hate thr equatoe thing so much cu it doents make sense

[glossy kestrel]

shoutout to the 2 smushed turtles

if you know, you know.

[fossil ingot]

We don't know
JP3 Pteras flied from Sorna to Mainland
Who are to say this guys didn't do the same
We have nothing saying they couldn't

Dr Henry Lewis stated ppl aren't interested in Fossils in Museum anymore cause Dinosaurus are living in the world again
That doesn't mean its a Fossil
Just that ppl no longer care for Bones when Dinosaurus exists lol
And Scientifically to us means not much to a Verse that has its own scientific designs

[queen oar]

The Mosquito when my skin is made of adamantium:

[outer tusk]

bro turned into a cadual fin

[fossil ingot]

Why should ppl go to a Museum to see incomplete bones
When you can go to the street and see Dinos in the Flesh
Thats why his was shutting down

[glossy kestrel]

We do have things saying they couldnt. Those wings cannot support extended flight bc look at the membrane.

Again, this is supposed to be real world. The whole "alternate universe" is a copout when no argument is present. Or at least thats how it looks idk.

I am going to cease here as this argument is obviously going nowhere.

[stiff osprey]

cartoon characters when they kiss:

[fossil ingot]

You do know thats just Headcannon on your end??
Unless Universal says they couldn't we have no actual way to tell
Logically alot of things this Dinos do on the movies wouldn't be as possible or as exaggerated
So all you are saying is a Headcanon

[mental cloak]

Man it would be do cool a d awesome if we at least get accurate dinosaurs/prehistoric creature in the JW
But i know thats kinda impossible becuz ppl dont like dinosaurs anymore aparentaly

[glossy kestrel]

pot calling the kettle black.

[fossil ingot]

You literally are Ignoring how the verse works
Its Real world
But their Skeletons, Dinosaur Accuracy, etc
Is their own and different to ours
And has been established like that since JWD
Is not hard to miss

[glossy kestrel]

pot calling the kettle black.

[fossil ingot]

What does that even mean?

[balmy oyster]

Pot calling the kettle white…?

#saynotoracism

[mental cloak]

Arent all those creatures like hybrids/mutants and no accualy dinosaurs since the first jp movie and even in the books?

[glossy kestrel]

it is an expression

The burned pot is calling the burnt kettle black with ash, at least to my understanding, thus being a hypocrite

[fossil ingot]

Most of ST Huberts species are Mutants/Hybrid but also some regular dinos with slight modifications that ended on ugly physical traits or to aggressive traits such as Ember

[mental cloak]

Pot calling the kettle black?
#sayyestoracism/j

[mental cloak]

Makes sense
They r just poor creatures at the end of the day don't they?

[glossy kestrel]

anyways

ENOUGH ABOUT JURASSIC WORLD!!!

Thoughts on oxalia?
I think bro's js a subspecies of spinosaurus.

[fossil ingot]

Only Dino that we know is a *** is JP3 Spino
Cause Ingen itself made it like that
And no Bro isn't a Hybrid
But JWR Rebirth is more Natural than it

[queen oar]

Fossil BBQ LMFAO

[mental cloak]

Ita possible
But we need more material..becuz..u know
If so
Spinosaurus Oxalaiensis is a cool name

[runic heart]

Are there ANY quadrupedal dinosaurs that could have realistically galloped, or nah?

[glossy kestrel]

Me when I burn bro so bad by calling him a subspecies that he actually bursts into flames

[balmy oyster]

No subspecies in paleontology because impossible to prove, but it has 1 diagnostic feature in comparison to spino (something about signs of tooth replacement) and it on an entirely different continent

[fossil ingot]

Sub species themselves don't exist
But idk if its a Spino species
Specially when we have a Brazilian Spinosaur waiting to be Described.

[queen oar]

oh no, it was actually lost in a fire that happened in the Museum housing it, that's the joke

[mental cloak]

And also burns a mummy for some reason

[glossy kestrel]

no ik i was riffing off of u

[fossil ingot]

Similar to the other Brazilian Spinosaur
Its possibly its own genus

[mental cloak]

Hmmm maybe
I mean
What is galloping for u?

[mental cloak]

Im just happy that irritator is real becuz he's my fav spinosaurid

Btw we need more Pycnonemosaurus material tho

[balmy oyster]

Irritator ain’t going anywhere

[glossy kestrel]

ngl i read this as "Gallo-ped" like biped or quadraped and did NOT know what we were talking about

I dont think so. Most quadrapeds were low to the ground with stubbier, thicker legs. Maybe a type of hadrosaur? but they dont rlly lend themselves to it as they were also incredibly large

Also I like Icthyvenator :D

[fossil ingot]

Yeah Irritator is complete enough so it ain't going anywhere

[queen oar]

Probably to Brasilia or Rio de Janeiro, yeah it's going there.

[mental cloak]

Yes
I hope he doesn't go back to germany

[paper grove]

irritator is irritating

[queen oar]

Send a Meteor to this fragmentary fossil individual in particular.👆

[balmy oyster]

Oh yeah

In this case, it IS going somewhere…but going somewhere where it should be (good thing)

[fossil ingot]

Then again
This is Oxalaia's Holotype lol

[mental cloak]

Why u sayin irritator twice

[light osprey]

Dinosaurs are too useless and dumb to gallop

[queen oar]

Not to it's actual state tho.

[mental cloak]

Looks like a burnt piece o' bread
Or a chicken breast

[paper grove]

silly useless creatures

[balmy oyster]

Maybe one day

[fossil ingot]

I just want the Brazilian Spinosaur to be Described Already
We know it has Arm Material
Which is the reason of Mirabilis Huge Arms on the Paper
And its Tibia Appeared on Mirabilis Suplementary Material
Who knows, maybe the new Brazilian Guy mentions Oxalaia

[velvet burrow]

PLEASE

[mental cloak]

"New brazillian guy"
Bro just got born

[velvet burrow]

Pycnonemosaurus is so close to being one of my favorite abelisaurids by having such cool features in what little material it has

[fossil ingot]

Bro is Old Asf
And tbf the Supplementary does call it New Brazilian lol
Not like its Material and Skeletal Pic didn't get leaked anyways

[mental cloak]

That was a joke

[fossil ingot]

Spino that, Oxalaia there
I only want 3 things in this Life
Adam Paper
Rommels Suecheng/Zucheng Paper
The New Carch Material to be described

[glossy kestrel]

also this is what I wanted to talk about in paleontology the most

I was doing inventory for the uni I go to and there was this guy unaccounted for. No records, no box, no nothing.
(ignore the break, my professor dropped it while looking at it lol)
it's about 1.5ish inches long (the tooth itself. The rock is around 3 inches)

I THINK it's some species of mosasaur judging by the shape and cross-referencing it, but idk

It's not serrated, which makes me think mosasaur

[fossil ingot]

Those are the only 3 things I am missing to be happy
Mainly Adam

[balmy oyster]

New 20 ton behemoth mosasaur species that ate the cretaceous kraken

[mental cloak]

Don't edge me like that

[fossil ingot]

Give it Mosas Build to its like 20m
Actually idk if a 20m Mosa would be 20t anymore LOL

[balmy oyster]

• coming really soon
• coming soon
• coming eventually

[glossy kestrel]

Here's it from another angle.

[mental cloak]

What if we found a fossil of another big fish
I woukd be happy

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Hope that Adam reaches us soon
Can't wait to finally see Actual Good Big Ceratopsian Post Crania described

[glossy kestrel]

What do we think?

[mental cloak]

Hmmmmm idk tho
U think its a mosasaur eh?
Thats also my bet but it looks kinda flat

[balmy oyster]

There’s also going to be some triceratops postcrania discussed in that paper too which I’m looking forwards to

[fossil ingot]

God Finally
Imagine it only gets 1 page comparing it to Adams

[glossy kestrel]

yeah thats why im kinda weirded out by it...

[balmy oyster]

Still better than nothing!

[outer tusk]

AWESOME TOOTH, reminds me of my otodus tooth I broke but still have

[fossil ingot]

True
I would guess Most of the Trike Stuff is gonna be It compared to Adam
So that way for the 10094984th Time it gets proved again that Trike and Toro are different

[glossy kestrel]

any ideas what it is? I'm still 85% sure its a mosa bc it isnt serrated and it's too big to be much else

[outer tusk]

I don't toothmaxx besides my own teeth

[fossil ingot]

I really hope that after adam
The Trike=Toro dies forever

[balmy oyster]

At least this time it’s the final nail on the coffin to horner so nobody will ever bring it up again until it’s proven adam is just a eotriceratops relative and torosaurus is a relative to big john who gets bought 20 years later by a museum and suddenly everything goes belly up again

[mental cloak]

@glossy kestrel. I think its a mosa tooth 99,9%

[fossil ingot]

[glossy kestrel]

kk thats what i thought

definitely a shed one, bc no connection to the jawbone is present

wonder which species...

[mental cloak]

Also yeah idk which species

[fossil ingot]

But then we live in a weird world and turns out that Big John is just a weird Torosaurus

[glossy kestrel]

the flatness is whats throwing me off lol

kk i think its just a standard mosasaurus

this picture of its jaw shows similarly shaped teeth, notably the flatter shape

[mental cloak]

Its like one of those girls u realy like

[glossy kestrel]

?!

[mental cloak]

Nvm this joke wasnt goin ti make sense llol

[glossy kestrel]

i see.

thx for the assistance!

[balmy oyster]

Well whatever it is I wouldn’t be surprised it wasn’t horridus

[mental cloak]

I got ya,lad!

[hallow spear]

And yet nothing stegosaurus related sigh

[fossil ingot]

One Day Stego
One day

Unless the best we will ever get its Demphys Work with PK Stego

[balmy oyster]

To be fair the Morrison is slowly entering its renaissance of splitting, the hell creek has yet to achieve this

[hallow spear]

Stegosaurus has been like this since 2008, and you’re telling me it’s in its renaissance of splitting?, allosaurus has been like this with many papers coming out since 2009, ceratosaurus has been like this since 2000? ONLY the sauropods are changing

[outer tusk]

damn 2008

[balmy oyster]

I’m saying it’s BEGINNING.

Apex is finally in good hands, people are starting to realize there can be more than 2 allosaurus’s in the world, and methodology to prove new species and their validity has improved significantly since those dark years where lumping was considered societally justifiable

The sauropods are getting the main front of attention, but then the small ornithopods got some attention and even the two small ankylosaurs got a decent paper. In due time, stego’s will get their glory that they’ve been waiting decades for.

Meanwhile the hell creek is still in shambles, people are still struggling to agree on what is and isn’t a horridus, dakotaraptor’s existance, nanotyrannus only JUST got accepted as a valid thing, and edmontosaurus still remains a amalgamate of who knows how many different species because nobody even cared enough to describe the holotype.

But I’ve heard good things about the morrison coming in the near future. There is hope, and all will be here sooner or later.

I know research takes time and a lot of these people have been in the field for years, but it almost feels like children on discord pick apart papers and make their own claims and research significantly better than what is actually stated in official papers, and it makes me really think how much we’ve been missing out solely because of people unwilling to split apart species or basing everything off of modern post-ice age & human industrialized ecosystems.

I’m not sure how it’s like in other scientific fields, but paleontology seems like the only one where the youth is significantly overwhelming older researchers and papers and soon enough there may just be a complete wave of newbies in charge of the whole thing

[mental cloak]

Damn 2008
I was 2 years old that time

[queen oar]

what?

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/SaurianCYH/status/2053787095685325180 can someone explain to me what this means?

SaurianCYH (@SaurianCYH)

New study describes iridescent pterosaur pycnofibers! https://t.co/vYFN2VdsNv

X · May 11, 2026, 10:39 AM

[runic heart]

Jurassic World Rebirth quetzalcoatlus

[mental cloak]

They kinda "glow"
Smth similar to hummingbird's or pigeon's feathers were thry can be multi color from diferent angles

Now imagine that but in a pterosaur
OooOOOOooooooOOO

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[ionic linden]

this

[opaque kayak]

rigorous skeletal discussion

[hallow spear]

3 things compared to the vastly more things of Morrison, he’ll creek isn’t as bad as you’re implying for it honestly, Morrison is simply worse. Even Lance thinks so lol

[balmy oyster]

Maybe I was being too hopeful, but I have genuinely noticed a lot more of a decrease in overlumping or over generalization within the morrison from the past few years.

I do hope that all notable stegosaurus specimens get a good re-evaluation, or at the very least new well preserved specimens get looked at further.

[wanton mist]

That thing is HUGE!!! 😅

[mental cloak]

Oh god

[queen oar]

Hell Creek is really bad, Stego.

Noted, Lance Formation is worst.

[runic heart]

Surviving Earth episode 5 has ORTHACANTHUS!!

[astral valve]

I have a feeling allosaurus might be the biggest theropod carnivore ever existed

[runic rover]

https://giphy.com/gifs/avengers-hawkeye-dont-give-me-hope-Qy2VKY3xlI1QyR6Ix5

[steep atlas]

Why do you feel that way

[astral valve]

Have you ever watched the Godzilla and king kong movie. When you see King Kong just walking on that big skeleton. Biggest considered specimen of a. fragilis is like 9.7 but there is the epanterias amplexus who is probably just a fragilis and its like 12m long. Imagine there is a 16m long allosaurus somewhere waiting to be dug up.

[coral forge]

A 16 meter Allosaurus would only be the size of the smallest Tyrannosaurus so it still wouldn't be the biggest

[astral valve]

I thought the biggest trex is Scotty which is 13m

[steep atlas]

That would be pretty cool. We have a lot of Allosaurus specimens though and 16 m is way above the size range we see

[coral forge]

Sue is the largest and is 12.8m, but size is determined by weight, and a 16 meter allosaurus would be 9.3 tons, same as the smallest rex

[astral valve]

You right then the longest carnivore ever existed then.

[coral forge]

whales are longer

[astral valve]

Yeah but terrestrial carnivore theropod

[coral forge]

why cant Tyrannosaurus have a supersized individual too

[steep atlas]

There could be a 15 m tyrannosaurus lurking somewhere

[astral valve]

Because allosaurus better

[steep atlas]

Nuh uh

[runic rover]

i mean if you think of it carcharodontosaurids are very very big allos

[astral valve]

Allosaurus has a better facial bone structure

[runic rover]

besides i am quite sure this is just a mass ragebait

[astral valve]

No im actually serious.

[runic rover]

in paleontology, using Godzilla vs Kong as example, refusing anything by just saying "my fave dinosaur is just better because it has to be" is the textbook definition of ragebaiting.

[astral valve]

It was a good example of perchance.

[steep atlas]

You can't just say perchance

[cobalt storm]

I wouldn't say a 300ft gorilla walking on a god knows how big fictional skeleton is a good example

[ashen wedge]

Which context am I missing for this Horner theory?

[rare bough]

In length and mass spino is the big gestellt theropod ever lived

[tough parcel]

Nothing? Just that Horner's proposal of Nanotyrannus = juvenile T. rex, Dracorex/Stygimoloch = juvenile Pachycephalosaurus, Triceratops = juvenile Torosaurus is prevalent despite evidence against the first and last one with the 2nd being chiseled away at

[runic rover]

3 times the charm~ I don't really mind if Stygi or Draco become Pachys, but boy I'd have the 3rd laughter of my life if even that is proven false.

[coral forge]

Dracorex is juvenile P. spinifer, right?

[runic rover]

Perchance

[tough parcel]

Suspected by Internet nerds, no conclusive comment from The Professionals, paper in works™

[coral forge]

so for now there's 5 hell creek (and neighbours) pachycephalosaur species across 3 genera?

[ashen wedge]

Any chance that the Stygi, Draco, and Pachy are just all different animals? Since we know some members of the Pachy family do have dommed heads from hatching…. And some are more flat

[tough parcel]

.

[fossil ingot]

We are just waiting for a 15m Acro to be discovered

[crisp matrix]

It's still debated, for Pachycephalosaurus specifically.

[wintry sluice]

Thats the unfortunate consequence of pachycephalosaurs almost not existing as fossils that arent just chunks of head lol