paleontology

[jagged trellis]

running on 0 sleep and this image is cracking me up bro

[runic rover]

I don't think anyone saying "I hate rex" (like me) have actual resentment toward the animal, it's more the idea and the fan base that crafts an archetypal kind of picture of what "rex" is.

[halcyon cobalt]

my cultural lingo is not your Gen Alpha brainrot slang

[exotic quest]

I mean, Rex is valid for being people’s favourite or just popular. It’s a giant apex predator with a bite force capable of crushing bone
But I kinda get it

[peak jetty]

Feeling the need to say, "rex is valid" makes me think you dont understand what they're saying.

[polar rain]

My art class homework is just making paleoart lol

[inland kayak]

Fr , me hating Utah fans

[exotic quest]

Yeah I may or may not have read it wrong 🫣

[jagged pollen]

aye, before i pass out for the night i have to ask, do you lot have any websites or places i can check out to research the morison formation? i've been very curios about it as of late given the two nodosaurs that were found within the formation and i would like to learn more

[gleaming talon]

I hate how its not taught that birds are reptiles

[exotic quest]

Yup

[zealous ravine]

Wikipedia is a good starting point, and you can read the sources if any particular section interests you

There was also a paper recently published by James Kirkland that’s a good overview of the material assigned to both, and described some new Mymoorapelta material

[coral forge]

Wikipedia sources and google scholar

[runic heart]

Who’s most due next for a model tlc, allosaurus or metriacanthosaurus.

[runic heart]

And would people be fine replacing metri with something else?

[brave nova]

Metri. Allos pretty fine could just use texture updates

[runic heart]

Idk, compared to how well informed and good-looking the newest models are (TTitan, tylo, thal, Kai), the old models just don’t hold up, at least imo.

[brave nova]

Yea it’s true but a lot of it also comes down to textures. Meg for instance holds up really well

[runic heart]

However, it is also an instance of game style. Like, textures are a big thing, but you can easily tell the difference between the old and newer models and animations.

[tough parcel]

What are you saying

[runic heart]

Metri should be changed to Sinraptor, just cuz.

[brave nova]

Mega textures make it look better than a lot of the other older playables

[tough parcel]

But you are aware Allo, Metri, Meg, etc need pretty serious remodels to achieve the same accuracy as recent models (design coherency)

[runic heart]

Even Rex tbh, the new models are just too good.

[brave nova]

Yes but a lot also need that aswell which just didn’t get it. Allo id say isnt the worse of the bunch

[gleaming talon]

My favourite theropod is gallus gallus domesticus

[tough parcel]

Rex is fine really, maybe slight head editing but it’s perfectly fine

[turbid veldt]

Was hoping alberta got the sty and eo treatment with its tlc

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-kid-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-me-too-oomf-gif-3494557288416254900

[runic heart]

Textures still look a little meh.

[runic heart]

I hate how many dinosaurs are in this game that aren’t used. I completely forgot albertosaurus was in the game. Everyone just uses the newer creatures… cuz they look better.

[turbid veldt]

Lokiceratops and wendiceratops subs would have gone hard

[runic heart]

Oh yeah, smok first appearance. Welcome smok.

Some daspletosaurus model someone made. Looks very similar in design to the new WWD Rex and Alberto, really neat.

[coral forge]

Allo could get what kai got
An ability tlc first and then have a new model be worked on behind the scenes alongside other full scale tlcs

[runic heart]

Would take a long time, but imagine how good the creatures would look if they were all redone with the same attention to accuracy and detail as the newest ones.

[stray saddle]

Wikipedia sucks for dinosaurs (or any other prehistoric animal)

Any page but Wikipedia. You can read Wikipedia but after that research way more. Look for other websites , studies, and scientific papers.

[queen oar]

But see? That's what I mean. It's so weird to reason why someone else would like T. rex based on how someone else assumingly would like Tyrannosaurus, but not based on personnal reason. Like, are you saying that despite T. rex having so many likeable qualities, you cannot formulate a personnal reason to like it?

Because I can say that I like Tyrannosaurus because it's pretty fun to reconstruct it's face, there's a lot of potential for soft tissues in that area, the body is pretty fun to reconstruct too, due to the individual variation already present within the species.

[zealous ravine]

De Clay Studio specifically

[queen oar]

Like I'm just saying, if you have nothing personnal that only you can share with that Dinosaur...

You're kinda like, liking the Dinosaur just out of pity at that point.

[exotic quest]

True true

[green helm]

whats the most realible source for mosasaurus size

[gleaming talon]

Paper strips in a hat

[green helm]

is that a joke breh

[green helm]

how big is Trigodon guadryi

[full lagoon]

A good bit of it is also due to viability and the meta unfortunately

There's a reason why you see the same giant carnivore used by almost everyone

[safe marten]

Have any of you watched the new dinosaur documentary on Netflix its so interesting as it shows more accurate models of the dinosaurs including the trex being alot more bulky

[full lagoon]

Yeah the bulkiness for the large animals was super refreshing upon the trend of "accurate" dinosaurs being lanky and poorly filled out.

[nocturne merlin]

cough cough allosaurus cough cough

[safe marten]

Yea it's because they used to do a thing with skin wrap them so all the dinos look way lankier then usual honestly I have always loved dinos since I was a kid but I love the jurassic worlds however I dislike how the models ain't accurate except the spinos in jw rebirth

[full lagoon]

Obviously it's a mixed bag and not perfect, but it honestly looks really good skeletally

[full lagoon]

I'd argue it's still being done to an extent, even with recent paleoart

[safe marten]

Plus alot of ppl in jp3 thought that was how spino looked but it was actually a hybrid.

[safe marten]

Yea it still is honestly but the more we discover it helps with our understanding of dinos and how they looked and sounded.

[full lagoon]

Half of it is just an odd stylistic choice atp

[safe marten]

Yea seriously 😭

[tough parcel]

It being a hybrid is a fan theory that has really no basis except trying to justify how it looked in JP3 compared to IRL

If anything, we should be appreciating JP3 for being so revolutionary considering most (all?) Spinosaurus depictions beforehand were "Allosaurus but quirky"

[safe marten]

The directors confirmed it was a hybrid bro

[tough parcel]

Where lmao 💔

[safe marten]

Search it man I research dinos alot and the jurassic trilogys. And i read about that apparently directors had said it was meant to be a hybrid if that ain't true tho then it is my bad

[tough parcel]

JP toy from 1996, Carnegie toy from 1992

The jump from these to what we got in JP3 is honestly really cool and I wish we got more of this type of forward-thinking design in later movies

[safe marten]

But still asset 87 was a beast in jp3 one of my fav from the trilogies

[tulip dove]

Spino (from my what I remember) was more so a "mistake" that they just left on Sorna

And in Camp Cretaceous Scorpios was confirmed to be the first hybrid to be created

[tough parcel]

Spino from the get-go was the "Oops, we got a new species", not any sort of hybrid

As I said, that idea only came around when fans tried to justify its difference from the IRL animal

[safe marten]

Yea I may of forgotten that it was a mistake but I sill gotta wonder why was it called assest 87 instead of spino like surely there is lore behind it 🤔

[tough parcel]

No because I'm 99% convinced that's a fan name

And if it isn't, there's no significance because they probably called every dinosaur "Asset (X)"

[tulip dove]

Probably something to do with Mantah corp itself
Since they did go and bring it from Sorna to their own island, where they called it Asset 87

[tough parcel]

The only time the dinosaur name was probably ever present was when the geneticists were keeping track of which dinosaur they made 😭

A lot easier to talk to your boss about Asset 10 compared to Procompsognathus triassicus or w/e

[safe marten]

Ah that's a fair point actually that may of been the case. But jp3 spino was way stronger then rex like it was a beast. Even tho irl rex would beat spino on land. But in water I believe spino may win

[tough parcel]

Spinosaurus in water when the T. rex still has every advantage it had on land besides movement 🥀

[safe marten]

I mean not really spino would win in water as it was a semi aquatic dino and rex wouldn't have any way of fighting a dino which could dive below it and bite it without the rex being able to do much esp w the movement of it.

[tough parcel]

The 8 ton animal could still kick with some really devastating power or lower its head below water

Spinosaurus was also not darting around as adeptly as a fish or a crocodile

[tough parcel]

Also I wouldn't be too surprised if Hammond's administration was more willing to learn/know by default dinosaur names compared to the significantly more corporate-heavy JW era

[safe marten]

But in water it's way harder js think about that. On land it can kick yea but in water the water pressure would make the kick was way weaker and ik spino wasn't a fish or owt and that's why I said semi aquatic

[tough parcel]

Have you ever been kicked by a guy underwater 😭 water resistance is not as severe as people make it out to be in these sorts of fights unless it's like a hour long fight at which point exhaustion is definitely gonna be noticeable a lot faster than if on land

[safe marten]

Yea i have actually 😭😭😭😭I ain't gunna explain how or why but seriously rex demolishes spino on land but water spino has the advantage anyday. But end of the day we will never be able to confirm who would win as they didn't live same era or the same area so would of never met.

[tough parcel]

The ever-reliable Pokemon weakness

[wind prairie]

I'm not sure either of them could really do much to each other in water

[safe marten]

Spino was semi aquatic and mainly lived of a fish diet so spino could do way more

[runic heart]

I at least want all my dinosaurs to look like they exist in the same dimensional plane.

[safe marten]

Icl tho giga would demolish rex and spino 😂 bigger had claws it could use and it's bite would make dinos bleed out.

[wind prairie]

well yes but spino is also a good deal smaller than rex to the point there's not too much it could probably do to phase it? And it's also not aquatic enough to pull some croc shenanigans

[safe marten]

Spino was bigger yk but only due to the sail 😂

[wind prairie]

how embarrassing
I didn't see the bait 🥀

[safe marten]

Be fr giga was the biggest carnivore ever known

[charred hearth]

the humble blue whale and megalodon:

[wind prairie]

my mom (said in muscle man voice, not my actual mom):

[tough parcel]

"Had claws it could use" is a sentence you can not apply to Giga

[safe marten]

Well spino was the biggest acc

[wind prairie]

dude it's bait

[safe marten]

The new model of spino is bigger(also yes it was bait 😭) giga was hardly bigger then a rex. Rex would kill a giga

[tough parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152346191061860512/1479625654210400256/7418E19D-3C4F-4F8C-854F-EE4013B2E81D.gif

[full lagoon]

Bro I'm taking this

[runic heart]

This is why I see a tyrannosaurus vs Spinosaurus battle not happening. Rex doesn’t want to face the walking wall, despite being heavier than it.

[safe marten]

Rex was alot heavier but as I stated earlier we will never know who would win due to the would've never met eachother so we can never prove who would win spino may win rex may win we don't know.

[full lagoon]

At the same time tho it lived with multiple species of living tanks

[wind prairie]

better hypothetical:
deinocheirus vs tarchia

[runic heart]

True, I supposed edmontosaurus would be a fine comparison for a Rex to make.

[charred hearth]

theroretically, if im being hunted by a nanotyrannus closing in on me soonly, would bear mace be effective ? or would a reptiles / bird eyes be resistant to it

[safe marten]

Also the trex was more of a scavenger then a hunter js so yall know

[tough parcel]

I'm engagine because I know Sarq is a goat who doesn't bait

But I highly doubt the apex predator whose sole ability to live depends on duking it out with animals that look like living castles is going to be scared of the fish man with a billboard on its back

[full lagoon]

Why are they fighting?

[wind prairie]

this rotting log ain't big enough for the two of us

[full lagoon]

Id think the tarchia would have the edge simply due to the build difference

[runic heart]

Yeah I forgot about edmontosaurus. Rex would probably be able to make that comparison.

[safe marten]

Icl I do love the dilo tho it was quiet big tbf taller then a human.

[tulip dove]

The small game hunter...
As we all know, T rex wouldn't DARE to hunt full grown Edmonto/Trike/Anky/Toro...
Nanotyrannus on the other hand... heh

[tough parcel]

I mean sure but I mainly meant that such statements heavily underestimate the hunting prowess of extinct and modern animals

Just because a black bear runs off because we scream at it doesn't mean the grizzly bear would

[charred hearth]

aside from poaching

would Giant ground sloths still be able to survive in modern day america or no? ( lets use yellowstone as a example )

[safe marten]

Jurassic trilogy did the dilo dirty😭

[wind prairie]

tarchia is a spiky mf but also a heavy one so what is it gonna do if deinocheirus goes into water

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT

[charred hearth]

not follow it and just disengage with the fight?

[tough parcel]

I don't particularly see why not? Habitat might not be the best if they stick to the plains but the forests might be ok

Also please remember that Tarchia cannot swim and the Deinocheirus has insane knockback so according to Path of Titans, it would just win by drowning the Tarchia

[wind prairie]

idk I just wanted to steer away from spino vs rex lmao

[safe marten]

Compsognathus solos trex 1 on 1

[full lagoon]

Yeah but putting these two wildly different herbivores against each other in a fight to the death makes even less sense despite living nearby

[charred hearth]

why are none of WES images loading

[safe marten]

U have to click on it and wait

[tough parcel]

Virus

[tulip dove]

Pollute the water and hope that the cheirus has a wound that gets infected and dies

[wind prairie]

ok but unironically a moment
What is the stance on ankylosaurs' buoyancy? Bad swimmers or can't swim at all? I thought they couldn't swim at all, but maybe that's just the larger ones
The Dinosaurs has a scene of a smaller ankylosaur swimming and diving which is funny but I don't think they did that

[safe marten]

Compy would go under the ankly and bite its balls off fr

[runic heart]

True

[charred hearth]

hyena's when they see water baffulo:

[full lagoon]

Good thing they are internal

[safe marten]

😭😂legit

[tough parcel]

The Dinosaurs lied about that part

[safe marten]

It will climb in the ankys bum and bite them from the inside👏👏👏

[charred hearth]

this is gonna be a stupid question but why did every marine reptile evolve live birth besides sea turtles? ( and marine iguana's )

[tough parcel]

Liaoningosaurus is the closest we've ever gotten to a proposed (semi) aquatic ankylosaur and even then, there's an incredibly high possibility it's just the fact it's young ankylosaurs with a proclivity to drowning

And it's easier to pop out babies in water than hauling your whale-sized body out of the water to pop out eggs

[runic heart]

I like Saichania better. Cooler name.

[full lagoon]

When I saw the clip in the trailer I honestly thought it was crossing very shallow water

[charred hearth]

so why did sea turtles never evolve that? i apologize, i should've worded it better

[wind prairie]

antman vs thanos style

[tough parcel]

Can't exactly expel large babies when your torso physically cannot expand

Also probably easier to have the necessary musculature and torso structure to resist gravity on land when your body is encased in a bone scaffolding

[full lagoon]

Also, do you think they died from drowning in regular conditions or from getting swept away in storms?

[charred hearth]

is it just becuase their capable of going on land unlike the other marine reptiles?

oh that makes sense, ty

[wind prairie]

I've heard it's possible metriorhynchids came on land to lay eggs, but idk what's most likely for them

[runic heart]

Either or I’d assume

[tough parcel]

Both? Idk what "regular conditions" would capture

[full lagoon]

I don't see them being stupid or incompetent enough to just fall in and die, and they could probably still do something in calmer shallow water

[charred hearth]

i maybe could see them hauling themselves onto land?

[tough parcel]

It's not a question of being stupid and falling in

It's the fact their armor acts as weights so a crossing that they miscalculated could very easily turn fatal

Same concept as putting someone's feet in concrete and throwing them into the bay

[wind prairie]

it's neat to imagine ankylosaurus or denversaurus shuffling across the bottom of a shallow hell creek swamp
not that they'd do it by choice obv, just to get to the other side

[tough parcel]

Neat but impossible

[full lagoon]

Because they apparently can't hold their breath to any degree?

[charred hearth]

mosasaurus was actually the top predator of ankylosaurus and denversaurus due to them always washing out to sea

[tough parcel]

When most of your ankylosaur fossils are due to drownings, you start to wonder whether or not these animals could swim well regardless of being able to hold their breath, seal their nostrils, etc

They're trying to tread water with what is essentially a weighted blanket on their back and corgi legs

That's gonna tire anything out pretty quickly

[full lagoon]

How does their density compare to other dense, sinking animals?

I've heard it ranging from flipping over in the water to sinking like a rock, but I'm assuming it's somewhere in-between..?

[tough parcel]

Sinking is what I last heard, but the flipping is a different situation (gases built up in the corpse would flip it upside down)

[full lagoon]

That's what I assumed for flipping but some stated in the past that it could be the default

Which would be even harder to survive

[wind prairie]

https://bsky.app/profile/tetzoo.bsky.social/post/3mgmpu23smc2u intruigingly Naish seems to like swimming ankylosaurs
so idk

Darren Naish (@tetzoo.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Darren Naish (@tetzoo.bsky.social)
Finding new, but technically 'acceptable', behavioural sequences is part of the challenge for shows like this. The Dinosaurs is a mixed bag on this, variously including strong work (singing and swimming ankylosaurs and bait-feeding heronesque Spinosaurus)… 5/8

Bluesky · Mar 9, 2026, 11:10 AM

[charred hearth]

i want y'all to be honest with me, do you guys believe we could be able to find a third Subfamily of ceratopsidae?

maybe in asia? maybe sino could be in it, potentially, probably not

[ashen wedge]

Question: What is everyone’s favorite reptile that’s been alive for the last ~70,000 years? Mine is the Leather Back Sea Turtle

[wind prairie]

idk about another subfamily but I highkey think sinoceratops wasn't the only one of its kind

[charred hearth]

asian ceratopsidae??

[wind prairie]

yes

[charred hearth]

i wonder if we'll ever find a asian chasmosaurine

[little mauve]

Sinoceratops is sister to Wendiceratops from Alberta so it's likely a NA migrant, but I also think there probably were endemic Asian ceratopsids

[balmy oyster]

I like Crows

[coral forge]

Crows, varanids and longirostrans

[wind prairie]

like I don't think it's unreasonable to portray a sinoceratops like centrosaur in, say, the nanxiong

[wooden bluff]

Hi, a tenonto depicted as a bipedal is correct, or it should be cuadrupedal? Also I have that question with Ouranosaurus

[light osprey]

Tenontosaurus is probably quadrupedal

[outer tusk]

tenonto bipdeal is correct, Ourano is a mix biped

[craggy trench]

there was a recent paper that put him as pure quadruped

https://fr.pensoft.net/article/173614/

[charred hearth]

whats the most ACCURATE tenoto depiction in games?

the isle
path of titans
pk

im gonna assume its prehestoric kingdom like majority of their designs?

[queen oar]

tbh, PK's design is kinda old no?

[charred hearth]

i believe so? but i think it got scrapped and never got a update, right?

[queen oar]

idk. I don't follow the development.

[mossy hawk]

teno for PK is still in the cards iirc

[outer tusk]

Pk

[vast sedge]

Could Pelecanimimus swim? I remember reading about it a long time ago at a library, hearing it was a coast dweller.

[little mauve]

Not a coast dweller, Las Hoyas was an inland freshwater wetland system. Probably could swim, most theropods could

[vast sedge]

I guess what I mean is was it good at swimming. Semi-aquatic sort of thing

[little mauve]

Nothing in its anatomy to indicate that really, which doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn't. Probably more of a wader though

[vast sedge]

gotcha

[runic heart]

Concavenator hunting pelicanimimus among the sludge

[vast sedge]

big fan of the 2nd image where they all have their usernames revealed

[ionic linden]

"usernames" like they on path of titans 😭

[runic heart]

P2 got slimed by C1.

[wind prairie]

what is the coolest late cretaceous fish aside from xiphactinus

[runic heart]

Idk if you’re counting sharks, but Ptychodus is pretty awesome.

[rancid dove]

Cardabiodon 🥱

[charred hearth]

is this how fat stellar sea cows were?

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/eagc7/status/2031645296426430479 thoughts on this scrapped scene?

Betos Garcia 🇬🇹 (@eagc7)

Deleted scene from BBC's Walking With Dinosaurs, only found in the show's German release, featuring a Ceolophysis trying to eat a scorpion

#Coelophysis #BBC #WalkingWithDinosaurs #Dinosaurs

X · Mar 11, 2026, 8:15 AM

[delicate wharf]

Can i talk about pre history here without gettng yelled at

[wind prairie]

yes usually

[charred hearth]

what would you say was better at portraying the dinosaurs like real animals

wwd ( original )
prehestoric planet

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't say either was better. Both were fine in their own right

[errant juniper]

How accurate would this megaranche reconstruction be?

[queen oar]

@little mauve since Tyrannosaurus no longer has the most complete and understood growth cycle, are there other Theropods with better material?

[balmy oyster]

Tarbo has a pretty solid growth cycle, and since tarbo’s closest to rex it’s the best to use

[queen oar]

Doesn't work with what I'm gonna do

[river plinth]

How valid is Victoria, the Tyrannosaurus size and also age being a sub adult?

[frigid delta]

how can Quetz fly themselves?
https://youtu.be/f91p64gOFF0?si=xcpAiuup5HkUOxub

[winter marsh]

With its uhhh, 12 meter wide wingspan and being half a ton

Its just big, it weights as much as something like Alioramus. And with wings that are humongous it isnt too hard to imagine it flying

[runic heart]

Still some of my favorite dinosaur designs.

[wooden bluff]

Hi, is this a good looking pachy skeletal?

[full lagoon]

They genuinely look real which is shocking for what they were intended for

[frigid delta]

what kind of animal is Opabinia?

[hearty light]

Marine arthropod. Of the weird cambrian variety

[ashen wedge]

I never knew Pachyrhinosaurus looked like that. Is this a new species?

[runic heart]

I remember some guys saying something about packy having cheek-like tissue. Not sure entirely what the reason for that is though.

[runic heart]

I’m wondering, how well do these designs still hold up? I want to have them nitpicked like crazy, cause I’m almost certain that besides the lack of lips, the Bary and Sucho are still spot on.

[open compass]

This is ai

[winter marsh]

Its Lufengosuchus or smth like that

[full lagoon]

Luperosuchus

[little mauve]

T. rex still has a decent growth series simply because we have so many specimens of it, someone just needs to chart out a more realistic rate of growth for them without nanotyrannus affecting the data. Coelophysis & Megapnosaurus have good ones but they're obviously pretty small and basal. Our sample size is just too small for most theropods

[winter marsh]

Yeah

[queen oar]

Doesn't Coelophysis material also have a lot of flexible growth due to it being one of the factors that helped them surviving the Triassic Extinction event?

But this will work, I guess.

[little mauve]

It does, flexible growth is probably plesiomorphic to archosaurs

[green helm]

i got a little confused now but, was deinosuchus unable to high walk because its hip bones couldnt adapt quickly enough to its bodyweight?

[full lagoon]

That's what's been being said I think

[green helm]

damn so it ate so much and decided to let only the jaws do the dirty work

[runic heart]

Luperosuchus

[ionic linden]

WHAT

[sterile trail]

Bait

[runic heart]

It’s Discussing Bones bruh

[ionic linden]

awesome sauce

[sterile trail]

Troll account lol

[runic heart]

A pretty funny one though

[drifting echo]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-026-38600-w

so how does this fit in with the origins of T. rex?

[runic heart]

So judging by the species we’ve seen, each episode will focus on one region. Which means that we will be getting a full 60 minute episode placed in North Africa with Spinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus.

Surviving Earth btw.

[little mauve]

the authors are of the opinion that tyrannosaurines were endemic to southern Laramidia, arising in the late Campanian

[drifting echo]

So then the hypothesis that tyrannosaurines crossed over from Asia was right, just in the opposite direction? Or do the authors consider Tarbosaurus and Zhuchengtyrannus to not be tyrannosaurines?

[tough parcel]

It doesn't because the authors have very strange ideas on how endemic fauna works

All this really does is potentially move the arrival date of tyrannosaurines in NA a little earlier than proposed

[little mauve]

They don't present a hypothesis for an interchange, just that large tyrannosaurines were present in Laramidia earlier than previously thought.

[drifting echo]

I thought so. Endemic means found only in a specific place, Tarbosaurus and Zhuchengtyrannus exist so they can't be endemic to Laramidia.

[tough parcel]

This is the same guy who proposes all European hadrosaurs together because they're European

[stiff osprey]

and african hadrosaurs are closely related to the watermelon

[drifting echo]

I might be confusing Longrich with another guy but I am pretty sure he's also a very... problematic person

[tough parcel]

Oh yea, beyond a doubt

[little mauve]

They're using endemic to mean "native to" not "limited to," but yeah no real accounting for Tarbosaurus or Zhuchengtyrannus either way

[thorn grove]

perhaps Tyrannosaurines arose in Laramidia and then crossed into Asia, using a time machine to cover their tracks???

[light osprey]

Yeah I can imagine the tyrannosaur was native to the depositional setting it was found in

[drifting echo]

Tyrannosaurini is a lineage that lived in the secret underground layer of Earth. They got to Asia and North America by digging their way out.

[little mauve]

Still begs the question of what accounts for the lack of tyrannosaurines in northern laramidia during the campanian if they were crossing over from Asia during that time

[drifting echo]

Airplanes.

[thorn grove]

they were so successful in Norther Laramidia that they simply never died, hence the lack of fossils

[drifting echo]

Partridge Creek monster is real, just not a Ceratosaurus.

[queen oar]

Makes more sense for me.

[undone rapids]

Gorgosaurus and Daspletosaurus teamed up to eat all of them, they had to escape to asia or hide in the south to survive

[queen oar]

different climate, maybe? General Temperatures?

[undone rapids]

Maybe they didn't like the cuisine, everyone had different tastes

[queen oar]

Didn't like the taste of Centrosaur meat

@undone rapids What if I brought Smilosuchus to Campanian Laramidia?

[charred hearth]

does anyone have a image / visual of how big shunosaurus jiangyiensis is?

[wind prairie]

quetz is not half a ton
alioramus probably is around a ton tmk, quetz would only be around 400 pounds/180 kg

[thorn grove]

iirc Q. northropi was probably ~300 kg although I believe Alio was still more than that

[wind prairie]

wtf?

[stiff osprey]

i got 360kg from my own reconstruction yeah

[wind prairie]

brodavis was not that big right?

[charred hearth]

thoughts on T. mcraensis being a distinct species?

[sudden wind]

I mean, if you ask me this is quite of a large tarsometatarsus

[outer tusk]

~350kg trust

[charred hearth]

" Dubious at best but considering recent nanotyrannus news it could be anything at this point " is this true?

[sudden wind]

Ok chat, favorite shag/cormorant?

[runic heart]

Do skull reconstructions of giganotosaurini change based on Meraxes?

[queen oar]

is it because of the riamus tweet?

[charred hearth]

probably

[queen oar]

" Probably "

[charred hearth]

probably because i didnt see the name

[delicate yoke]

Has barina been demoted from the "biggest terrestrial non dino" predator or is it like, between it / smok / fasola

[runic heart]

[stiff osprey]

fasola is most likely bigger than both

[runic heart]

Then there’s the potential presto material…

[stiff osprey]

though technically the biggest terrestrial nondinosaur predator is jonkeria :L

[runic heart]

Oh it is?

[stiff osprey]

nothing beats the six ton jonker

although it is a predator in the sense that like a pig is a predator

[winter marsh]

it eats everything, thus it would also eat other animals if it had the chance to

[delicate yoke]

So fasola really is the hunk, tyty

[runic heart]

After 4 years bro

[balmy oyster]

It’s valid. Despite what people say it doesn’t match that well with rex material

[ionic linden]

[zealous ravine]

That scale bar is one cm

For a hesperornithean that’s not super big, they get huge.

[queen oar]

Damn, I didn't expect you to say that.

[pallid heath]

Do we fw feathered dilophosaurus

[delicate wharf]

Mm I don't know, I think possibly since they lived in wetlands and Arid sandy environments but idk.

It's missing it's frill (jk)

[queen oar]

Punishment by 67 years of David Peters reconstructions.

[wind prairie]

jonkeria is 6 TONS???

[balmy oyster]

It has very little arguing against it

[zealous ravine]

Yeah kinda

[zealous ravine]

Valid for sure, I've looked at a ton of rex specimens and never seen another one with a posterodorsally projecting angular process like mcraeensis

I've also more briefly looked at the other diagnostic traits and have yet to find a match in rex

[charred hearth]

why do people say its not?

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/i/status/2032184554593648784

Steve White (@sharkbitesteve)

Cleveland Shales

A3 private commissiom.

Dunkleosteous and its Diplognathus prey is pursued by a Gorgonichthys, a Gymnotrachelus and a trio of Cladoselache. Bottom left, a Bungartius and 3 Tegeolepis exit the scene. The ruckus disturbs shoals of ammonites and osteocones.

X · Mar 12, 2026, 7:58 PM

[elfin pulsar]

I like how much there is going on

[balmy oyster]

reminds me of another artwork a long while bac in a similar setting

[runic heart]

How’s Surviving Earth’s rhynchosaur?

2nd appearance this year

[halcyon cobalt]

6 tons? Since when

[native kindle]

its largest species had a gdi done earlier this month, places it around 6 tons with the smaller species hovering around 3? ish? if im remembering right

[outer tusk]

Jonkeria is life

[sudden wind]

I mean for a bird it is quite large

when I imagine the average size for a bird I imagine something like a great tit, which is already pretty big imo.
for water birds, what I have in minds are eurasian coots which also aren't that large for water birds.

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m very immature

[sudden wind]

Between the condyles, the tarsometatarsus measures ~9.7cm, which is quite a lot smaller than that of Hesperornis rossicus (15.8cm) and H.regalis (13.5cm for the most complete specimen but almost 20 for the largest fragment) but it also is much more sturdy and robust. So in the end, if Brodavis had the same body proportions as Hesperornis, it should be 2 times smaller and actually definitely smaller than in the artwork Cryptyrannus shared yesterday. My mistake for eyeballing it lmao.

I also realized that Lancian reconstructed Brodavis like 10 days ago and it is quite small if you consider that Frieren is 4'9 - 5 feet tall (150cm)

Here is how I measured them (perhaps I am not rigorous enough but eh)

[zealous ravine]

Cause Longrich was involved

[full lagoon]

Rhynchosaur fans must be eating well this year

I'm ngl I didn't really know about those animals until recently

[runic rover]

Who tf is Longrich and why is it this much influential into making something invalid?

[zealous ravine]

A very bad person who oftentimes does bad science. But he doesn’t always, yet people still assume everything does is bad

[runic rover]

That's kinda like saying that Maiasaura should never be taken in consideration to avoid giving approvation to Horner.

Regardless, I'm here for a question regarding T.Mac

If I were to get a 3D model of it but there were 0 available, should I get a Tarbosaurus model or should I get a T.Rex model? Because Rex has such a boxy and wide face on sculpts, It looks quite "not Mcraensis" if you get me...

I swear it makes sense to me.

[robust crane]

i like looking at them they’re so mammal, for a permian therapsid

also is velociraptor an apex predator in the djadochta formation? because no big predators like tyrannosaurs were found there and the prey was smaller than something like the north american ceratopsians (for protoceratops) and no hadrosaurs

[tough parcel]

No actually, it's like saying Longrich is known for performing bad science so calling his analysis into question is logical

[queen oar]

Tarbo. But you'll probably have to modify the posterior region of the skull.

[zealous ravine]

Tbh neither works well, the traits that make mcraeensis distinct give it a very unique silhouette

[coral forge]

there is a fairly large tyrannosaur from Djadochta but it's kinda crap (teeth and an ilium) and its size varies depending on what you reconstruct it with

ranges anywhere from giant alioramin to small Tarbosaurus

[runic rover]

Eh, I would totally like a T.Mac but there is no body making it so I have to settle for the closest enough

[runic rover]

I am really unfamiliar with him, what did he do?

Is it the "Regina, rex, imperator" guy? All I can find about is of a "shark-toothed mosasaurus" and "being a filthy nano supporter (we all know how it went from here)". Please tell me whatever happened with the guy.

[tough parcel]

he flipped off someone at SVP and walked out mid talk because they found that his parachute science stratigraphic work on mexico was swiss cheese```

[queen oar]

Tbh the SVP deserves it.

[inland kayak]

Is there any real evidences of harassment btw ? Cause I didn’t find any besides “because I said so” ?

[runic rover]

Alr thanks, I tend to see "this person is bad" as a "because he had a controverse take" in paleontology.

[inland kayak]

Saw this mentioning sometimes in different chats , asked every time , got no answer , just because they said so . Or just some yellow press cheap articles , honestly this feels like made up case .

[tough parcel]

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/in-your-area/university-bath-lecturer-loses-1m-2024632

It took me 1 second to find this

[runic rover]

Tbh we know Carr refused to analyze Nanotyrannus, it was a well known info, but the time a person asked "SoUrCe?!" Suddenly everything that was "well known" went just dust, no dates, no official, just some witnesses that said "we cannot say names".

Paleontology is a weird field sometimes because nobody really documents and investigate something that is kind of common knowledge...

[inland kayak]

Yeah I saw this one and honestly ? It doesn’t answering any question or showing real evidences besides grant revoke

[tough parcel]

Are you actually being fr

[inland kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-rdj-juggtok-giftok-tonystark-facials-gif-3958302751287261929

[outer tusk]

Falcon I feel you, some times people are just so damn stupid

[stray wren]

Longrich has lost a lot of his credibility in recent years, just like Horner, mostly due to their conduct with others in the field. And from Longrich just... Making stuff up sometimes

[outer tusk]

not "sometimes" all of the time

[tough parcel]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06764-9

Do you understand what an investigation, finding guilty, and getting their grant revoked means?

[inland kayak]

lol bro careful with your words

[outer tusk]

or what?

[inland kayak]

🤡

[queen oar]

I have 2 neurons only so explain to me because the article cite this quote: " The conclusion reached was that though there had been no malicious intent, the formal complaint should be upheld. "

[runic rover]

Ok alr, but even then, was Longrich the head of the team that described and studied T.Mac or was he just "involved"?

[inland kayak]

Mainly what I heard: “For some, his words might have sounded offensive, although he didn't mean it that way.”

I mean we don’t even know what the hell happened there

Yes grant was revoked something happened but that’s all so strange ,if it it was smth serious indeed how it is often being described

Why then did this not lead to litigation or further proceedings?

[queen oar]

Also it doesn't help that we kinda of don't know the nature of the allegations that lead to this investigation. Like, I'm sorry, but I don't think one can take a investigation and actions taken after such investigation seriously when the very depth of said offenses aren't elaborated or even contextualized further. Not to discredit the victims, but to use this to discredit Longrich's work, knowing the ambiguity of the details...

You know, I don't wanna say cherrypicking... But it sounds like cherrypicking.

[bitter oasis]

A reminder for everyone to please remain respectful to one another, refer to our #rules . As this seems to be moving away from paleontology and more into drama let's move on from the discussion before things get more heated.

[runic rover]

Going into a new topic...

Earlier someone asked why is Giganotosaurus skull getting shaped like Meraxes's, yeah, why is it a thing? Why not taking Mapusaurus's one into consideration for it since they are both extremely close to Giga?

[inland kayak]

Interesting question … I didn’t really found any answers besides better meraxes skull description

[stiff osprey]

Meraxes has an articulated near complete skull, Mapusaurus has a few scraps from multiple individuals. You can't reconstruct Mapu without using other carchs (namely Meraxes)

[runic heart]

Nah I was asking how similar the other giganotosaurini skulls should be to Meraxes. Close I’d assume, but I’m not sure how close. There are already noticeable differences in giga’s skull, like a larger lacrimal horn.

[night flare]

https://www.sciencealert.com/giant-tyrannosaur-discovered-in-north-america-is-the-largest-of-its-era

[runic heart]

Well what is Meraxes closest to? And is the skull pretty different from giga’s or carchar’s?

[coral forge]

Genuinely how did arenysaurini become a thing
it started off as just 3 basal lambeosaurines and then somehow turned into the most derived clade within the subfamily that contained like half of all known genera, many of which being some of the most basal lambeosaurines

was the entire logic behind it just "well these guys are all western European or Moroccan therefore they must surely all be related" and then just piled them into one clade with a billion different polytomies because they clearly aren't actually related

[queen oar]

Subjective.

[stiff osprey]

Phylogenies are not consistent enough to say, and as different as you'd expect from members of the same subfamily

[charred hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Vnbg7YWk8

[charred hearth]

whats the most accurate austro depiction in games?
1 - Path of titans
2 - the isle
3 - jwe3

why does the isle's austro snout look so long compared to the other 2?

[steep atlas]

the isle tends to stylize their designs a bit more

[outer tusk]

POT>JWE3>The Isle

[charred hearth]

im trying to figure out what i find slightly off about jwe3 austro accuracy wise, i just cant put my finger on it

[charred hearth]

how big is the gap between PoT and jwe3?

[wanton mist]

From my point of view, all 3 of them look accurate, even if they are stylized.

[true juniper]

Guys is it true tyrannotitan had a deeper chest than its relatives due to it having a longer pubis

[rich vessel]

This was pleasant to watch

[outer tusk]

not big at all cause it's REALLLLLLLY hard to mess up the proportions of Austroraptor, JWE big issue is the arms are too large

[charred hearth]

and the gap between jwe3 and the isle?

[outer tusk]

again not big but it's there

[runic heart]

SURVIVING EARTH STILLS!!! TRAILER PROBABLY SOOOON!!

[scenic flame]

PT's isn't stylized
TI's is very stylized

[charred hearth]

Would you count its feathering as stylized or no because we dont know what it looks like in real life? ( the feathering )

[runic heart]

Keep forgetting about the absolutely horrendous Nanuqsaurus though 💀

[flat pewter]

Whats bad about it? I mean personally I imagined them with a Nasal Bosse, but besdies that I think he looks okay

[runic heart]

Crests are huge, and make the head look more Yutyrannus than anything. The feathers should definitely not be pale white, and it probably shouldn’t have feathers at all.

[queen oar]

It's because it's based on Daspletosaurus torosus.

[stray wren]

Yeah it's not the greatest, but it's not like, terrible. White Nanuqsaurus is getting a bit stale tho

[runic heart]

Oh is that why?

[runic heart]

Stale is definitely the right word for this design.

[queen oar]

Pretty much. Unless it's based on something else, but likely the lacrimals are still based on D. torosus or some other Tyrannosaurinae with large lacrimals... Maybe, Teratophoneus?

[runic heart]

It’s just weirdly smooth on the nanuq

[queen oar]

That's just how a keratin sheath works. Don't really know what else I could add here.

[runic heart]

Mm well hopefully it grows on me

[queen oar]

Personally, I bet on Tyrannosaurini Nanuqsaurus everyday ( It's an unhealthy addiction 😔 )

[jagged trellis]

it looks like the word: chudified

[runic heart]

Just gotta wait for the…. Unpublished material……

[queen oar]

I'll never wait! I'll keep gambling and loosing until it happens!

[quasi axle]

https://share.google/oxC8KQ1vbLIDg49wM

[true juniper]

NGL that just looks like a fluffy one armed allosaurus to me

[runic heart]

Right? More Yutyrannus than nanuqsaurus.

[true juniper]

Tbh I don't know how nanuqsaurus is mentioned so much in the Paleo community when it's fossils are so fragmentary (from what I know)

[runic heart]

One jawbone piece from a juvenile, and then some unpublished stuff supposedly suggesting it was very similar to daspletosaurus, in both size and shape.

[true juniper]

How do we know that the jawbone is a juvenile, i thought it was just on the smaller side due to it living in like the arctic

[queen oar]

apparently, there's a large tyrannosaur tooth from the Prince Creek Formation, which could be associated to Nanuqsaurus? But it's just what I'm reading here, and it's not described in any matter, so how you take that information, is up to your choice.

[light osprey]

Two of these are subjective contentions

[runic heart]

Well I guess, but one of the images of the nanuq shows it with pale white feathers in a lush green forest. That’s kind of dumb.

[light osprey]

Curiously enough most forests are green

[runic heart]

White camouflage wouldn’t make sense.

[queen oar]

Yeah, technically it would be better if it emphasized that maybe Nanuq has sorta of a color change on it's coat during specific seasons, since a Winter season is emphasized on some of the images.

[light osprey]

Yeah it does not, it is a bad Nanuqsaurus but that’s because it’s not a great reconstruction of tyrannosaur anatomy

[queen oar]

nvm i'm stupid, there's no winter in the image LMFAO

[queen oar]

Don't you have like a whole ontogeny series you gonna have to update? Or am I like confusing you with someone else?

[light osprey]

That would be Lancian Idolatry

[outer tusk]

pffft

[queen oar]

Fair enough.

[light osprey]

But yeah the Nanuqsaurus being feathered in general as well, it’s not any sort of bold depiction based on what we can know about climate/other tyrannosaurs threshold for filamentous integument

[queen oar]

tbf I think that's mostly a speculative aspect.

[scenic flame]

probably since tmk the kind of feathers TI has on the chest structures and I think the body aswell maybe are not the kinds of feathers we expect to see on dromaeosaurs

[compact leaf]

The other models also haven’t looked a ton like the poster so it probably isn’t a great representation of what we’ll actually get

[charred hearth]

i have a question, is it true that the attempt to be the most up to date paleontology wise is what caused saurian to fail? always taking more and more time to remake stuff due to paleoaccuracy? is this a lesson that trying to be as accurate as possible isnt always the best thing?

[jagged trellis]

that and having half your funding stolen

[charred hearth]

when arent dinosaur survival games getting their funding stolen

how does it hold up today accuracy wise?

[craggy trench]

Mostly okay
Most of the issues just come with field advancing
But nothing comes to mind that is egregious

[charred hearth]

would juvie dakota gliding count?

well, was that even accurate for its time?

[craggy trench]

There was at least a paper or something similar
Unsure how valid its claims where
But it wasn’t out of thin air at least

I don’t think it’s accepted much now but I could be wrong
Dromeosaurs aren’t my best area

[queen oar]

That and maybe the fact itself that compared to other games Saurian due to being stuck in development hell has certainly not aged well in terms of overall mechanics, entertainment and gameplay-loop.

[patent mist]

It was based on a blog post that talked about juvenile deinonychus being more arborial than the adults iirc

[charred hearth]

do you have a link?

[wicked shell]

I finished it,saw all the episodes on march 6th,it was so good
Felt many emotions

[little mauve]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0121476

[runic heart]

Surviving Earth to be narrated by Tom Hanks

[stuck basalt]

Does anyone know what this dinosaur name is?

[stiff osprey]

Could be mapusaurus, tyrannotitan, meraxes, taurovenator or a bad carcharodontosaurus

[molten elbow]

Bro i hope they change sarco's model

[queen oar]

It's Mapusaurus

[ionic linden]

thats.. giganotosaurus from divine beasts?

[plush fossil]

Why?

[bitter quest]

The model is fine just the size

No clue why people hate the model.

[hardy sentinel]

The long snouted, greater pycnonemosaurus

[full lagoon]

Because it's not a generic alligator

[ashen wedge]

No…. Not another Brachi/Giraffatitan dying to a volcano

[fossil ingot]

You dislike Sarco looks like Sarco?

[fossil ingot]

Model is fine
My Only Grip is its Weird ah Posture for it
But other than that looks alr

[fossil ingot]

That is Divine Beasts Giganotosaurus

[coral forge]

how heavy would that spinosaurus even be lmfao

[runic rover]

Front facing dinosaurs are my most disliked artworks

[coral forge]

they look good when done right

[tawdry lintel]

Is the Rex sub the most accurate over the other 2 ? And how accurate is it in a scale of 1-10 ?

[runic rover]

Alr you got a point, but it's as rare as a complete skeleton

[lofty furnace]

Is It possible that some dinosaurs or other reptiles from the mezosoic could spit like what Miragaia, Deinocheirus do in game and what walruses and many mammals can irl?

[native kindle]

in the way that they do it in game its pretty unlikely, musking is easier to adapt and utilize for defensive purposes and is seen in significantly more reptiles. a couple birds can spit oils (like that one petrel) or more commonly vomit, but they don't really spit

[fossil ingot]

Its the best one
Lips and everything
The Other Sub is kinda just invented
And the Batar One is.....disappointing

From a 1 to 10 idk
Maybe 7 or smth?
Rex invidual Varation in the skull can leave some liberties I guess

[coral forge]

the sanguis sub is clearly just sue in its original state, trust

[fossil ingot]

Truly

[runic rover]

Question, is Goliath/Cope/Bertha still a thing or did they get resized to Sue?

[fossil ingot]

Goliath Is Bad
Cope is Bad but better than Goliath(barely) and is size changes if you base it off Sue, if Sue changes Cope Changes with said estimate atleast
And Bertha I forgot prob smaller than Sue

Conclusion
Ignore them and use Sue

[stray saddle]

I'm like 99,99999% sure they never spitted

[runic rover]

Thanks, one day this info will come in handy for winning an argument >:)

[inland kayak]

Btw what’s about mor 008 ? Aka Custer

[fossil ingot]

Tmk gets smaller than Sue

[queen oar]

@fossil ingot Would you eat a Triceratops bone?

[obsidian tangle]

The Bataar one looks creepy with the piebald skin

[fossil ingot]

No

@obsidian tangle maybe, but looks nothing like Tarbo so I hate the sub

[queen oar]

Why not?

[obsidian tangle]

I know I just wanted to share something I thought was neat

[inland kayak]

Isn’t its skull like even bigger than sue ?

[fossil ingot]

I think Skull is Deformed or smth
And has like other issues iirc
Not the Best on that Guy tho
@balmy oyster do you remember Some Custer/MOR 008 Info?

[fossil ingot]

Cause Toro Cooler

[inland kayak]

Prob not 100% correct to sue but couldn’t find anything better abt 008

[fossil ingot]

Sue is 12.7m Random's Recon
Doubt thats Changing Much fot MOR 008

[obsidian tangle]

You guys have any favorite inaccurate designs? Just asking out of curiosity and I’ve got a few favorites

[coral forge]

retro deinocheirus my beloved

[sudden wind]

The velociraptors from JP3

[inland kayak]

Just recons from 2023

[obsidian tangle]

Oh yeah I forgot it was depicted that way at some point, also that’s a really cool piece

[inland kayak]

Custer probably may get upsize ngl

[obsidian tangle]

Guilty pleasures of my favorite inaccurate designs are the T. rex from Phil Tippets prehistoric beast, this quadrupedal baryonyx that I don’t know the origin of, the retro pterosaur and megalosaurus, and the jp3 spinosaurus.

[stiff osprey]

people only think MOR 008 is big because it is horribly reconstructed, the individual bones are no bigger than those of the rex holotype

[inland kayak]

Like is it that bad ? 😔 one of my fav skulls among Rexes ngl

[charred hearth]

why are alot of cryptids just prehestoric animals?

[obsidian tangle]

I think it’s mostly because the idea of a late surviving “dinosaur” was exciting to the general public, so we got nessies, ropen, bear lake monster, van meter monster, kasai rex, and so on.

[inland kayak]

Do we even have any postcrania of Mor 008 ?

[tough parcel]

Some (most?) are cause of creationists or scammers going "Oo living dinosaur"

The most notable is Mokele Mbembe/Ropen only showing up with the introduction of dinosaurs to the natives of the area

[charred hearth]

creationists involvement in cryptids>

[tough parcel]

Mokele was a legend of the area prior to the introduction of dinosaurs, yes, but it only looked like a sauropod after expeditions started going out and the tribes were like "Oh, they want to look for this...and we get money...hmmm..."

[tough parcel]

Perhaps this is more proof MOR 008 looks bad because it is horribly reconstructed

[inland kayak]

Yh ik , just trying to find anything +- actual for it

[tough parcel]

Someone save MOR 008

I know it can look good...it just doesn't

[inland kayak]

Mor 008 glow up 😭 we need it

Btwww maybe yk by any chance lol , do we gave ANY postcrania of it ?

[tough parcel]

Not to my knowledge

[inland kayak]

😭😭

[sullen cairn]

I think it has an axis

[tough parcel]

Do we have to count that

[charred hearth]

can majority of cryptids be just " oh it use to be a myth but was changed for money "

[tough parcel]

Ehhhhh Idk

All I know is living dinosaur cryptids are incredibly suspicious in terms of origin

[little mauve]

I think thats a fair way of putting it. Nessie is based on the mythology of water kelpies in Scotland, its only in the 20th century that it becomes a plesiosaur and huge tourist attraction. Sasquatch is indigenous folklore, not a thing in pop culture really until the 50s or 60s when it also became commercialized. Many other examples

[outer tusk]

I will say depsite beeing horrible figured closed mouth MOR 008 does look pretty nice

[charred hearth]

apparently the quagga is a cryptid?

[tough parcel]

Who told you that lol

[little mauve]

I think Heuvelmans collected stories of living quagga but dude collected stories of living everything

[charred hearth]

the cryptid wiki **https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Quagga
**

[tough parcel]

Would that even be a cryptid? We know it existed, logically we can conclude it didn't die on the exact year we labeled it as extinct (any sightings can be attributed there) and Idk if there's any modern sightings

[charred hearth]

apparently " sightings " of a extinct animal can make it considered a cryptid, due to people claiming to seeing it alive is enough to make you one

[little mauve]

The "actually survived a recent extinction cryptid" is a more modern idea from people like Heuvelmans who more or less invented the idea of cryptozoology. So not rooted in folklore but rather eyewitness reports. The thylacine would be another example

[tough parcel]

Tbh my fav cryptid is the last mammoth

There's a tale from one of the Great Lake tribes that tell of a monster with characteristics incredibly similar to a mammoth/mastodon that attacked an encampment on the shore of a lake

[little mauve]

Thats right and cryptozoology is using an old pseudoscientific tactic wherein "mainstream science " is presented as perpetually incomplete and therefore the gaps can be filled with whatever we want

[obsidian tangle]

That sounds awesome!

[tough parcel]

I'll try to track it down rq

[little mauve]

Yeah haven't heard that one before

[tough parcel]

It exists, I swear

[stiff osprey]

I confirm i've heard this story before as well

[inland kayak]

Purussaurus alive ? ))))

[queen oar]

so you gonna reconstruct that to show it to us, or...?

[stiff osprey]

how much are you paying?

[queen oar]

the total price of : ||0000|| Dollars

[small geyser]

Thought that was going to be an entirely different number.

[queen oar]

6-7 reais maybe.

[tough parcel]

http://folklore.bc.ca/what-is-folklore/oral-literature/examples-of-british-columbia-folklore-bladder-head-boy-a-kaska-wooly-mammoth-legend/

I hit enter too early, gbones cmere

[tawdry lintel]

Sorry Ik is late, thanks for the reply ❤️🦖

[queen oar]

Acceptable response.

[tough parcel]

@little mauve

[little mauve]

Thanks!

[inland kayak]

Megalania is also quite capable cryptid 🧐🤔

[tough parcel]

(a’tix?) Teit’s original footnote reads: A very large kind of animal which roamed the country a long time ago. It corresponded somewhat to the white men’s picture of elephants. It was of huge size, in build like an elephant, had tusks, and was hairy. These animals were seen not so very long ago, it is said, generally singly; but none have been seen now for several generations. Indians come across their bones occasionally.

[queen oar]

Like idk, I think it's a bit ridiculous to say that a specimen is horribly reconstructed, even though there's no alternative because every reconstruction online for that specimen is exactly the same. So, making that point without providing any sorta of visual to contextualize that claim does not sound like it has any particular support behind it. Wouldn't say that MOR 008 has the best reconstructions out there, but at the same time, it's almost standard for Tyrannosauruses at this point.

[little mauve]

Fossil Legends of the First Americans is a good book that covers a lot of this stuff if you're interested in fossils and indigenous folklore/cultural memory

[charred hearth]

whats a prehestoric / extinct animal you guys believe could still be alive?

[queen oar]

do jellyfish count?

[charred hearth]

i mean, i guess? maybe?

[inland kayak]

Megalania prob

[queen oar]

We already have Megalania at home

[charred hearth]

how...?

[inland kayak]

A lot of unexplored or quite rash explored territory , plus most recent fossil of Megalania is around 23 000 years ago , tho there are like cave arts etc depicting Megalania from around 10 000 years ago , they also lived in environment where fossils are ultra rarely been preserved

[queen oar]

tbh I wonder if some Elasmotherium sp. or Coelodonta sp. survived, but given how it is going for Rhinos currently, even if the possibility was present, they probably are gone anyways.

[coral forge]

megalania still exists in the form of a random perentie ingesting its body weight in steroids every day in some dude's back yard

[inland kayak]

Hahahaha lol

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/CorporalRex/status/2032887850119868914/photo/1

Colonel Hammer🦍🦖 (@CorporalRex)

I would love to see more artwork of dinosaurs living around unmanned human structures. Feels like it's on the edge of nature reclaiming it.
Art by @Kamitoge

X · Mar 14, 2026, 6:33 PM

someone try to identify each animal in this image

[tender dove]

This looks like Los Angeles

[balmy oyster]

4 I immediately noticed was Utah(?), Yuty, bronto, carno

[charred hearth]

i think the small ones are celo, right?

also, this is gonna sound dumb but how do you tell the difference between bronto and apato?

[outer tusk]

no that's Allo, I don't remember TAS making Yuty hyena colors

[charred hearth]

are these microraptors?

[coral forge]

these are the ones I can make out

[balmy oyster]

Erm it’s wild dog colors achtually 🤓

[charred hearth]

these are really beautiful designs!

[tender dove]

Shastasaurus looks too much like a humpback whale

[balmy oyster]

the “Mosasaurus Orca” in the room:

[tender dove]

That too

[charred hearth]

are these custom genus names they have?

[stiff osprey]

all of them are species names of modern animals he took the colors from

[elfin pulsar]

I love the stego

[tender dove]

Citipati looking like a cassowary, Edmontosaurus looking like a zebra, Tupandactylus looking like a hornbill, Maiasaura looking like a horse, Stegosaurus looking like a quagga, Rajsaurus looking like a jaguar, Torvosaurus looking like a tiger, Giraffatitan looking like a giraffe, Deinocheirus looking like a gannet, Quetzalcoatlus looking like a marabou, Deinosuchus looking like an alligator, etc.

[charred hearth]

thats gigantoraptor

[tender dove]

True

[elfin pulsar]

Isn’t stego a kudu?

[tender dove]

That could be

[tender dove]

Here is a side by side comparison

[charred hearth]

if european settlers never found stellar seacows, would they still havent extinct or was it mainly them who took them?

[stiff osprey]

probably would have gone extinct regardless, it only took europeans <20 years to kill all of em

[outer tusk]

DAMN 😭 they didn't gave my goats a chance

[charred hearth]

were they one of the few animals orca's didnt hunt due to how damn fat they were and just werent able to be drowned?

[stiff osprey]

"Genetic evidence suggests the Steller's sea cows around the Commander Islands were the last of a much more ubiquitous population dispersed across the North Pacific coastal zones. They had the same genetic diversity as the last and rather inbred population of woolly mammoths on Wrangel Island. During glacial periods and reduction in sea levels and temperatures, suitable habitat substantially regressed, fragmenting the population. By the time sea levels stabilized around 5,000 years ago, the population had already plummeted. Together, these indicate that even without human influence, the Steller's sea cow would have still been a dead clade walking, with the vast majority of the population having already gone extinct from natural climatic and sea level shifts, with the tiny remaining population at major risk from a genetic extinction vortex.[19]"

[charred hearth]

would we even be able to save them today? because im trying to imagine them in a aquarium and just cant...their to fat

[balmy oyster]

they'd be easier to care for than you'd think

they're giant yes, but also were said to be really buoyant, slow moving, and fed on kelp (and in areas with kelp forest ecosystems they'd have their food locally sourced)

[runic heart]

Is there actually any solid basis for baby theropods having feathers, and losing them as they grow? Because aren’t feathers just modified scales?

[stiff osprey]

There is not, the more likely option is that the number and size of the feathers stayed the same from baby to adult (this happens with elephant hair)

As babies, they would look fluffy, but with the adults having thousands of times more surface area, the fuzz would spread out to the point of being invisible unless you come close

[pine hatch]

What's this from?

[scenic flame]

basically PhP's rex

[runic heart]

That does make more sense. What might be the reason for keeping such a trait?

[stiff osprey]

In environments like Yixian or Prince Creek, where it gets pretty cold in the winter, adult dinosaurs would have no issue keeping themselves warm due to giant size, but for the babies with more surface area and less mass, a feather coat would be a major advantage

[runic heart]

But what about for something from a warmer climate like tyrannosaurus? Is the trait retained since there isn’t a need to lose it?

[stiff osprey]

I don't think this necessarily was the case in Tyrannosaurus, we have no evidence either way

[queen oar]

It's subjective, frankly. Depends on the locality.

[charred hearth]

san mesozoico

[queen oar]

tends to be dry or humid conditions. Dry less in the sense of Deserts or Semi-Deserts, think more like dry cold.

[clear onyx]

How controversial is Chuanqilong being a synonym of Liaoningosaurus?

[queen oar]

I think this statement, although there is seemingly nothing false about it, perhaps just minor flaws on interpretation. It might underestimate potential unique aspects of Tyrannosaurus ( as well as other dinosaurs ) which we, unfortunately, cannot measure.

[clear onyx]

Megalodon

No not that megalodon

A bivalve with no extant relatives that probably spends most of its life buried in the seabed seems about as plausible as a large lobe-finned fish that lives in deep sea caves and also has no extant relatives

[ashen wedge]

Mother of Pearl!

[full lagoon]

This model is such a disgrace to the real thing

[obsidian tangle]

Worst megalodon of all time 🤣

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/AstroAventura/status/2032918941899829518

AstroAventura (@AstroAventura)

Buenas noticias. Reapareció el perro cantor de Nueva Guinea tras ser declarado extinto en libertad hace 50 años.

El perro cantor de Nueva Guinea es conocido por emitir sonidos armónicos comparables a los de una ballena jorobada.

▶ Play video

X · Mar 14, 2026, 8:37 PM

https://x.com/SandyofCthulhu/status/2032840257016942995/photo/1 can someone explain to me what this means?

Sandy Petersen 🪔 (@SandyofCthulhu)

The more things change.

X · Mar 14, 2026, 3:24 PM

[runic heart]

Found this sick modeled… allosaur head? No clue who made it, and the guy who posted it seemed to claim it’s a sinraptor.

[normal fable]

It is Sinraptor. It's by Pete Juujärvi

[runic heart]

Interesting. Looks very much like an allosaur. Looks amazing though, the texturing is fantastic.

[balmy oyster]

there's a reason why metricanthosaurs are allosauroids

[runic heart]

Would sinraptor really have looked that similar to allosaurus itself?

[balmy oyster]

S. dongi more than S. hepingensis

[runic heart]

Interesting

[outer tusk]

not close but europaeus would be my personal pick, obviously this just show how very diverse yet similar allosaurs can be to each other

[frigid delta]

what is Iggy's most up-to-date length & weight as of 2026?
pls answer quick 🙏

[queen oar]

I think it's probably based on this Metriacanthosaurus skull

[outer tusk]

5-6 tonnes

[frigid delta]

thx

[fossil ingot]

Eh Technically we have the Isle of Wight Specimen

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Visceral9000/status/2032968134563365088 thoughts?

🦎Visceral🪶 (Tomistoma enjoyer🐊) (@Visceral9000)

No it is not a coincidence, scientists really did name a Carboniferous temnospondyl after the shipping service FedEx.

Dubbing the poor creature “Fedexia” 🫩

X · Mar 14, 2026, 11:52 PM

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/andreslmignucci/status/2032862081309978798

Andrés L. Mignucci (@andreslmignucci)

Beautiful! Reminds me of Maurice Wilson's "now outdated but very lifelike" paleoart. Stuff like this is a good reminder that "accuracy" and "believability" (or maybe better put, versimilitude) are not always the same.

(Image scan credits: prehistoric-life on Tumblr)

X · Mar 14, 2026, 4:51 PM

[thorn grove]

I didn't realize sue had gotten to 12.8 meters now

[stiff osprey]

I had the tail and hips too small

[charred hearth]

retro-terror birds were the coolest

[stiff osprey]

tfw retro terror bird is better than a number of modern depictions

[charred hearth]

wait, actually?

[stiff osprey]

It's more accurate than these

[charred hearth]

can prehestoric parks really be considred modern?

[stiff osprey]

subjective

[charred hearth]

is that what colossal plans on bringing back? https://x.com/Marckz_yt/status/2033030690745311275/photo/1

Marckz (@Marckz_yt)

Fauna de la estepa del mamut en América

X · Mar 15, 2026, 4:01 AM

[balmy oyster]

just the wooly mammoth, for something regarding siberian conversation projects.

though, seeing their previous work, it's not going to be a "mammoth" but just...harrier indian elephant.

[tender dove]

Fauna of the steppe of mammoth in America

[queen oar]

@little mauve do you have the pdf of the 2024 Taurovenator paper?

[green helm]

why the long face?

[obsidian tangle]

Surely not all hadrosaurs lived in herds together, there’s gotta be a species out there that’s evolved for a solitary lifestyle once it grows mature enough. Like moose for example.
What do you guys think?

[outer tusk]

I mean it would make more sense to stick to a herd given what they had to be hunted by

[coral forge]

well considering their entire way of surviving was by having so many of them in a group that it doesn't matter if a few of them die, it would only really make sense for a hadrosaur to become solitary if there's nothing in its environment that can hunt it or outrun it.
Moose probably wouldn't be solitary if they couldn't fight off or outrun a bear/pack of wolves for example since then they'd have no real way of surviving.

[frosty cedar]

Is The Dinosaurs documentary on Netflix worth watching, or is it like Life on Our Planet?

[topaz shell]

I’d say it’s better ngl

[tulip dove]

From what I've seen and heard
It's worth the watch

[native kindle]

i had a blast watching it casually

[runic heart]

The Dinosaurs was actually really good. The designs and models themselves were extremely meh, but the animations, behaviors, sequences, and storytelling were top notch.

[wind prairie]

had a blast until I saw that stegosaurus, then I wanted to be blasted

[granite thicket]

The steg model sucks lol

[outer tusk]

eh

[frigid delta]

is 9 to 10 meters long & 4 to 6 tons a Deinosuchus's most-up-to-date length & weight as of 2026?

RubyTubby

[brave nova]

9.7m and 5.4t for its biggest yea

[fossil ingot]

9.2-9.7m
4.7-5.4t

[frigid delta]

what happened if i'm too late?

[fossil ingot]

Depends the Species
But for Big Deinosuchus was happened was
Getting 3D Scans more importantly
And also is now a Stem Crocodylian aka not a True Crocodylian

[frail robin]

Why did Pteranodontids have a longer upper beak than their lower one? What purpose did that serve?

[warped peak]

When in doubt, "mating display"

[charred hearth]

why do documentries show hatz towering over magaryo when their similar in height?

why are magaryo heights so different depending on the image

[full lagoon]

The magaryo in 'The Dinosaurs' were juveniles, as confirmed in the size comparison video.

Also due to the storytelling aspect and spectacle

[charred hearth]

were they also juvie's in planet dinosaur?

[full lagoon]

That I'm not sure about

[tulip dove]

There were both adults and juveniles present
In which Hatz still towered over them but that's also due to the reconstructions of the animals at the time

[full lagoon]

Speaking of, which stance is considered more correct now? Horizontal or more vertical?

[tulip dove]

Terrible quality but yeah

As for the stance I assume something similar to other titanosaurids so prob more vertical?
I keep seeing them reconstructed with more vertical posture nowadays anyway instead of horizontal

[charred hearth]

would any sauropods have held their necks like wwd diplo or no?

[full lagoon]

Rebbachisaurs are very likely to have

[charred hearth]

what would you say is the most iconic dinosaur design from wwd? for me its either the diplo or allo

[full lagoon]

As they are shorter necked "grazing" animals

[full lagoon]

The Allosaurus given how Insanely popular it is amongst the community

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/allosaurus-big-al-ballad-of-big-al-walking-with-dinosaurs-ceratosaurus-gif-15568257462362057362

[full lagoon]

"The Allosaurus" is basically an equivalent of "The Lion" meme

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-allosaurus-has-die-the-allosaurus-has-died-gif-6565432595059673394

[thorn grove]

you're probably right about these but there's probably an argument for the T. rex design being the most infamous for all the wrong reasons

[tender dove]

Allosaurus had never seen such

[full lagoon]

Because of how funky it looks or?

[thorn grove]

yea it's notoriously bad

[charred hearth]

how about wwd anky? infamous too?

[thorn grove]

less so i feel but that's a pretty bad design too tbh yea

less notorious, the design might actually be worse

[little mauve]

Neck posture is still debated in sauropods but diplodocids were probably grazers/ low to mid browsers so theirs necks were probably pretty low in a neutral position. WWD might not be completely off

[ashen wedge]

Probably the Liopleurodon

[tender dove]

Oh! I didn't think this server allowed something like that

[ashen wedge]

If I get in trouble, y’all know why, I had to defend the Allosaurus’s honor

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-unicorn-leopluridon-gif-15399954

[tender dove]

True

[ashen wedge]

Super sad…. sniffles Live on old guy!

[frosty cedar]

Oh damn, alright then, will give it a watch.

The models were obviously not going to be good, since there was slightly edited JW allosaurus in the trailers lmao. Spino and hatz look ok tho.

[frosty cedar]

Good to know.

[weary ferry]

@gritty yacht this is the kinda stuff you find in English villages near the Jurassic coast

People have them in the walls of their own homes sometimes

[hazy basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHPlJZ9Y-E

[charred hearth]

do we think any sauropods were reaching past 150+ years or is there maxium probably less then that?

[wind prairie]

oh really

[little mauve]

150+ seems like a stretch but 100 or more is possible

[charred hearth]

would it be possible for a sauropod to have a low metabolism? if so, i think 150 could be semi possible

[little mauve]

They'd have lower metabolism as large animals but they were nonetheless endotherms and I think it's less than a handful of endothermic species that get that old. There could have been extremes, sure, we don't know. The D. hallorum holotype is skeletally mature and 60 years old, but the second S. vivianae specimen was so far beyond skeletal maturity an age couldn't be calculated. So it's possible these super gigantic sauropods are a hundred years old or possibly more

[charred hearth]

im gonna assume like whales, sauropods have super omega cancer resistance?

[little mauve]

Cancer is pretty rare in wild animals to begin with. There was a pretty large survey of different dinosaur clades looking for evidence of cancer and it was only detected a few times in hadrosaurs.

Their methods may have been slightly unrefined and later we have detected cancer in a specimen of Spinophorosaurus

[compact leaf]

Large animals arrive at cancer resistance in a handful of ways but the large sauropods would almost certainly have it

A more universal cancer defense in large animals is robust dna repair, which also happens to help with a longer lifespan

[lucid gyro]

the pnso articulated rex video states that we commonly find rex fossils in groups or with footprints of groups. is this true? and does it strongly suggest group behavior in rexes? the video asserted pack behavior, but i know that evidence for this in dinosaurs is really hard to find

[runic heart]

What are the key differences between Meraxes and Mapusaurus material?

[queen oar]

doin' sh*t

[balmy oyster]

Penta?

Or no almond ceratopsian indet.?

[little mauve]

Untrue, we have an albertosaurus bonebed and a teratophoneus bonebed but none for T. rex. There is one short trackway that shows multiple tyrannosaurids moving in the same direction but again not identifiable as T. rex

[stiff osprey]

yeah i was gonna say the exact same ^

[queen oar]

Nah. Younger than that. But it's older than Triceratops and Torosaurus. Actually is it younger than Penta? I didn't check

[balmy oyster]

Bisticeratops? I want to say titano but titano’s got a longer snout

[queen oar]

Nope. It IS basal Triceratopsini

[balmy oyster]

Ohh wait eotrike?

[queen oar]

yup.

[balmy oyster]

Sweet

[charred hearth]

do all ceratopsians have the same body and the only thing unique about them is their skull

[balmy oyster]

It only seems this way because only the skulls are described. There’s several ceratopsians with interesting anatomy but no one really knows because anything aside from the skull is hilariously undescribed

[little mauve]

It's kind of ridiculous

[queen oar]

yup.

[charred hearth]

oh! can you share some of that interesting anatomy?

[balmy oyster]

Very.

Thank goodness for Adam coming out, thing is VERY interesting

[queen oar]

Or sometimes it's just some series of vertebrae ( Agathaumas sylvestris )

[little mauve]

It's actually fully described? Nice, now onto that for the bazillion other ceratopsians

[balmy oyster]

Sadly I can’t much because, well, either poorly described or not at all.

One ceratopsian that comes to mind though is a referred anchiceratops specimen that’s an almost complete animal minus the skull. What’s interesting about it is how compared to other ceratopsians, it had a slightly longer neck.

Some chasmosaurs also have weird jagged bodies/vertebrae alignments, such as also a really complete pentaceratops specimen & a chasmosaurus specimen

[queen oar]

@little mauve also, is there any sorta of reference of how many episquamosals derived Chasmosaurines and Triceratopsinis have?

[balmy oyster]

Yep, it’s going to be a legendary description. Will also kill any sort of “toro is trike” arguments that lay around, if people still believe in that for some reason.

[charred hearth]

will you say adam will be one of the biggest papers ceratopsian wise?

[balmy oyster]

100%

(“Big” as in important, we can only hope it inspires more researchers to fully describe ceratopsian specimens/revisit older described specimens)

[queen oar]

tbh, I think it will only sorta of imply that there is like variation on the postcrania of genera and species, no?

[charred hearth]

top 5 biggest papers for the 2020s?

well, what do you guys consider the top 5 most important / biggest papers for the 2020's so far?

[balmy oyster]

This sounds small but it’s crazy how starved ceratopsians are for full body descriptions. A paper going “um there ARE differences to the skeletons.” Might set off a chain reaction

[sullen cairn]

technically longrich did attempt to distinguish titanoceratops from pentaceratops via postcrania but that didnt really go anywhere because the pentaceratops postcrania couldnt actually be associated with pentaceratops due to being headless
also lokiceratops had a few postcranial characters

[queen oar]

Yeah, but that's the issue. It either can be chain reaction in a controlled environment, or a chain reaction in a uncontrolled environment. And Frankly, knowing this place, it will probably be the latter alternative.

[balmy oyster]

I’m curious about the one upcoming titano paper, and if they’ll be able to handle this issue well.

[charred hearth]

what would you say is the biggest issue plaguging the paleontology community right now that you hope to see improve in the future?

[little mauve]

Scanella & Horner's stuff on Nedoceratops/Triceratops/Torosaurus frills probably has counts for that. Eotriceratops has "at least 5" according to its description, you might want to look at that too

[charred hearth]

i will go first because i am related to pentaceratops, which means leading frill in french

i think a issue plaguing the community is treating everything like a contest between two animals and being unable to process that size dosent mean everything, sometimes size dosent matter

[sullen cairn]

pentaceratops is funny because in regards to titanoceratops because on one hand you have longrich suggesting one of the characters distinguishing it from pentaceratops is large size and on the other hand you have fowler suggesting the differences between it and pentaceratops are just because its larger

[charred hearth]

translate that into cavemen speech for my simple mind

[sullen cairn]

longrich says one of the reasons titanoceratops isnt pentaceratops is because its bigger, fowler says one of the reasons titanoceratops is pentaceratops is because its bigger

[balmy oyster]

It different cus big

[charred hearth]

where do you both fall on the pentaceratops is titanoceratops debate

[sullen cairn]

personally i lowkey fw titano

[balmy oyster]

Basal campanian triceratopsin that eventually diverged and gave birth to everything horrific

[charred hearth]

There's only 5 members of triceratopsin right?

Toro
Both trikes
Eo
Tatanka(?) small hell creek one

[sullen cairn]

regaliceratops sometimes as well

[charred hearth]

Regaliceratops??

[sullen cairn]

depends on the matrix but occasionally it ends up there

and titanoceratops ofc

[orchid lynx]

Would Liopleurodon be a bleeder in path?

[charred hearth]

Another ceratopsian question, how valid is tatanka? ( Small hell creek ceratopsian that isn't lepto (

[balmy oyster]

wrong

[charred hearth]

I forgot the evil 8 trike species...

[sullen cairn]

nobody's really meaningfully talked about it since it was described besides two sentences from longrich suggesting it would be better referenced as Triceratops sacrisonorum or be a severely pathologic prorsus

although longrich seems to be leaning more towards T. sacrisonorum as of late
fowler also thinks its a bonebed on twitter for unspecified reasons though it isnt clear how this would make it any more similar to triceratops

[light osprey]

T. latus, but again (Lance)

[balmy oyster]

T. latus squared

[outer tusk]

WAIT regaliceratops? as been restored that tribe

[light osprey]

Yeah it’s mostly been in triceratopsini

[charred hearth]

what makes something apart of triceratopsini exactly? like, what are their defining traits?

[stray wren]

Iirc it's mostly about limb proportions and skull density. I'm too tired to get specifics rn

I'm personally on the hill of Titanoceratops being a distinct genus (despite all of my ire for Longrich) within Triceratopsini

[balmy oyster]

Even if referred cf. pentaceratops postcranial skeleton can’t be used to compare, we can always just…compare with Triceratops/Adam

[orchid lynx]

Guys did Liopleurodon really hunted Leedsychtis?

[balmy oyster]

Maybe? They were in the same waters together

[orchid lynx]

google said there is fossilized evidence

[charred hearth]

was it google ai

[orchid lynx]

Evidence of Attacks: Bite marks on Leedsichthys fossils indicate attacks from large predators, including a specimen in the Natural History Museum of London that shows signs of healed bites, suggesting a Leedsichthys could survive an encounter.
Context: While direct fossil evidence of a Liopleurodon biting a Leedsichthys is rare, as the largest predators in the Oxford Clay sea, they are the most likely candidates for such wounds.

[balmy oyster]

Can you send the paper? This would be really cool if true

[orchid lynx]

non paper just google and there are many pictures

[stray wren]

There's not fossilized evidence of predation from liopluerodon specifically, but there's plenty of Leedsicthys bones with bite marks. They just haven't really been assigned to any genus

[charred hearth]

does anyone wanna do a size comparison? i would but the correct species skeletal does not have a meter bar so im kinda screwed

[sullen cairn]

technically its just defined as anything more closely related to triceratops than anchiceratops and arrhinoceratops

[balmy oyster]

Nice

[little mauve]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9296021/#:~:text=Leedsichthys problematicus Woodward%2C 1889a is,Leedsichthys in the Jurassic seas.

[orchid lynx]

so is that a yes?^^

[sullen cairn]

but i'd say the most immediately discernible thing uniting them is having an anteriorly centered nasal horn (with the possible exception of regaliceratops if thats actually a triceratopsin)

[charred hearth]

does anyone know where " oh! nothing is really certain in paleontology and science as a whole so you can still be wrong ! ( or i can still be right! ) " notion came from?

[queen garnet]

What yall think was deadlier the giganotosaurus or a hungry ahh agrentinosaurus

[little mauve]

Could be, could be some other pliosaur. Can't get more specific than that

[queen garnet]

Why didn’t agrentinosaurus survive till 66 MYA

[little mauve]

Creationism, flat earthism, pseudoscience in general

[elfin pulsar]

Science as a whole I never hear that, paleontology yeah

With paleontology its partially fair tbf, plenty of things arent certain

[queen garnet]

That’s not late Jurassic…

[orchid lynx]

middle to late

[queen garnet]

No.

[orchid lynx]

No what ? he lived during middle late jurassic

[queen garnet]

Agrentinosaurus? No he didn’t

[elfin pulsar]

Oh boy

[orchid lynx]

we talk about pliosaur dude xd

[queen garnet]

You replied to my comment dude I was talkin abt the agrentinosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

Lmao

[orchid lynx]

you started replying to me first so..

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-cheer-fight-yell-loud-gif-4831117

[chrome condor]

paleontology chat i have been informed that leedsichthys apparently auto dies to liopleurodon

[elfin pulsar]

You replied to him and deleted your message you aint slick 💔

[orchid lynx]

probably missklicked i got long nails

[charred hearth]

girl bye

[stray wren]

Titanoceratops my goat

[elfin pulsar]

Cant make this up LOL

[charred hearth]

WAIT YOU MADE MY FAVORITE MOD, PENTACERATOPS

[chrome condor]

the magical 6 meter liopleurodon eating the puny 14 meter long leedsichthys for breakfast:

[stray wren]

Yuh he's on his way back very soon

[orchid lynx]

an adult argentino had no enemies

[charred hearth]

thats because it wasnt the 6m ones, it was the wwd one!

[chrome condor]

mmm yes deep fried leedsichthys steaks for my 25 meter liopleurodon munch munch munch

[charred hearth]

will it have a updated camera placement? because i really loved it but i always felt one its drawback was my vision always being blocked by its frill

[orchid lynx]

leeds was a filter feeder

[chrome condor]

what if i told you whales are filter feeders too and they can defend themselves from things much smaller than them

[orchid lynx]

there many big animals get eaten by much smaller ones its nothing new and whales dont fight anything like meat eating pliosaurs

[wind prairie]

actually he was a paleontologist

[charred hearth]

humpback whales are quite famous for defending themselves and other mammals from orca's

[chrome condor]

newsflash: orcas arent real
we have no evidence of pack hunting in pliosaurs either and that's the only way a 6 meter long liopleurodon could actually take an adult leedsichthys down

[orchid lynx]

and we can be 100% sure a plio attacked an leeds also younger ones probably fall to lio aswell

[elfin pulsar]

We just be sayin anything

[orchid lynx]

if he hit a lethal spot leeeds would bleed out yea it doesnt need that much thats why we need to knew if he was smart

[chrome condor]

yeah but it probably wasnt liopleurodon, that's my point
liopleurodon is just too small to actively prey on a fish like 20 times its size, its most likely another bigger pliosaur

[wind prairie]

well I wouldn't say no evidence
technically no but it's inferred from plesiosaurs' size at birth that they lived in social groups

[stray wren]

Yuh

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/hip-hip-hoory-cheering-celebration-celebrate-celebrating-gif-20417856

[chrome condor]

yeah go for the weak spot liopleurodon! you can solo that leeds i believe in you!

[orchid lynx]

leeds is just a moonfish defense wise 😄

[chrome condor]

objectively incorrect lol

[wind prairie]

if sea monsters didn't unrealistically portray leedsichthys as a motionless meat sac, we would not be having this conversation right now. I would bet everything on it

[charred hearth]

not even the right fish your thinking of

[orchid lynx]

if i had a time machine i would go back with you and you see lio just bleeding the dino out easily

[elfin pulsar]

Just like lio 🙄

[chrome condor]

if only...

[charred hearth]

oh leeds a dino? what clade is it apart of

[orchid lynx]

you know how big the teeth are?

[chrome condor]

fishosauridae obviously

[wind prairie]

alright you guys gotta stop falling for the bait

[elfin pulsar]

It was defenseless so that’s why it’s extinct, can’t prove otherwise ✌️

[winter marsh]

I think lio would probably treat leed like how sea lions treat sunfish. Take a bite out of it, yucky, tastes like rubber, leave it alone

[queen oar]

ew Horner

[orchid lynx]

well both are lio made leeds extinct and loost it food souce both die..

[chrome condor]

i am literally a leeds main i need to fall for the liopleurodon vs leedsichthys bait

[elfin pulsar]

Leeds might have made lio extinct from being so powerful

[chrome condor]

we be saying anything at this point
go my wwd liopleurodon maul that leeds family

[orchid lynx]

bro dont even have tools except 2 flukes? xd

[winter marsh]

if it was this simple sunfish would be frickin dead because theyre defenseless chunks of fat. Theyre not extinct tho, and have been alive for a significant amount of time for what they are: A jawless, sluggish stupid slab of rubber

[chrome condor]

how are whales not extinct then

[charred hearth]

everyone is so mean when describing sunfish 😭

[orchid lynx]

like us lol xD @chrome condor leeds isnt even in the game leeds isnt a whale

[elfin pulsar]

There is the exact same amount of evidence for lio hunting leeds as leeds beating up lio dw, we can both theorize!

[chrome condor]

tylosaurus propaganda smh...

[wind prairie]

I could see liopleurodon doing damage, but it's definitely not winning

[winter marsh]

cant even say nice things cuz sunfish themselves prove us otherwise. Only nice thing they do is eat jellyfish and have the most amount of fish spawn of all fish

[charred hearth]

does leed need to fight? couldnt it just outswim it like blue whales do?

[orchid lynx]

look same

[queen oar]

Guys, I know it's a bit late for this, but in situations like this there's a button that solves this sorta of problem: ||Mute||

[crisp matrix]

Are people just arguing if Leedsicthys or Liopleurodon would win in a fight?

[orchid lynx]

where are the paleontologists @fresh cairn leed would loose yea google it

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-tiktok-sunfish-lips-kiss-kiss-gif-6556856422857579148

[chrome condor]

not wasting their time on obvious stuff like this

[little mauve]

Yeah it's unfortunate. Just doing a little research it seems like 5-7 is a fair number for episquamosals

[winter marsh]

it can probably outswim lio yeah, pliosaurs arent really built for speed and leed's new reconstruction shows us that it was probably capable of fast strides (something similar to a tuna, but slower ofc)

[orchid lynx]

the other pliosaurier are smaller then leeds soo how they bite a leeds? just beating youre size argument..

[chrome condor]

leeds was a useless sack of meat that liopleurodon hunted to extinction (i am not strawmaning it that's what was said)

[queen oar]

for Eotrike, you would argue it has 7 or 6? 5 it seems that it's mostly present in Triceratops, can't confirm for Ojoceratops, because the figures' graphic quality is horrenduous, and I forgot to check Torosaurus

[charred hearth]

if the largest animal, the blue whale, can outswim its predators then so can leed, end of discussion

[wind prairie]

the real winner of this fight is the beach combing theropod that gets to eat their washed up carcasses

[orchid lynx]

rage bait xD

[chrome condor]

how do orcas manage to hunt whales when theyre smaller than whales but bigger than sharks hmmm i wonder

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-walking-with-dinosaurs-cruel-sea-liopleurodon-eustreptospondylus-gif-22515195

[winter marsh]

gang are we f#@%in fr

[orchid lynx]

plios where very fast apexes

[chrome condor]

ig there's no difference between liopleurodon and pliosaurus cuz Leeds is way bigger than the former and slightly bigger than the latter

[queen oar]

Me when I do not have to engage with nonsense.

[wind prairie]

tbf I am pretty sure leeds would be cooked against pliosaurus itself if it could manage to catch it

[chrome condor]

<- me when i engage in rage bait just for the love of the game

[winter marsh]

plios were fairly slow compared to smth like mosasaurs. Theyre built like bricks with paddles theyre not built for speed

[orchid lynx]

but we dont have any bitemarks from leeds on plios

[queen oar]

There are Smart Fish, there are Gullible Fish and then there are Competitive Fish

[little mauve]

If you're doing a reconstruction it may be an intuitive decision as to what looks right, you're taking a guess either way. I'm not sure

[wind prairie]

did you mix it up or are you baiting

[winter marsh]

its like saying a quadricycle is faster than a motorcycle

[chrome condor]

im all 3 but way dumber

[queen oar]

not even 2 braincells, it's just a half one lol

[sullen cairn]

iirc torosaurus episquamosal count is pretty variable

[orchid lynx]

can someone picture me how leeds defend itself vs an Plio biting its tail?

[chrome condor]

im half a braincell and my only job is pressing headbutt and sweep on my tylo

[wind prairie]

probably fleeing by being faster, or living in shoals
but this was about liopleurodon

[queen oar]

The Chudtoro

[chrome condor]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-birds-hit-tail-knocked-gif-12920562

[winter marsh]

swat it off? Its gonna be hindered, not completely immobilized. And considering what leed is built for it should have a very strong tail

[orchid lynx]

but without a tail how fast you swim? you guys can like youre friends comments doesnt make ur arguments any better.

[queen oar]

guys, I think they are not talking about IRL Lio, they are talking about... WWD Lio.

[wind prairie]

think you're clever but leedsichthys is unfortunately not literally 1000+ times heavier than pliosaurus

[orchid lynx]

Liopleurodon was scientifically faster

[chrome condor]

sorry i guess ill concede that the WWD liopleurodon hunted leeds every day into extinction

[queen oar]

" Unfortunately, Leedsichthys... I already won! Because unlike me, you don't have 200+ IQ! "

[winter marsh]

yes, brick faster than bullet

[orchid lynx]

i dont watch wwd

[chrome condor]

if i could find a gif of a whale slapping something its size i would i am just lazy and this was the first one

[sullen cairn]

nvm was thinking of epiparietals

[queen oar]

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[winter marsh]

humpback whales have been seen swatting orcas with their fins, idk why a leed wouldnt be able to do the same (with its tail) to a lio

[chrome condor]

liopleurodon has 10 million power in rise of kingdoms!!

[orchid lynx]

"despite leedsychtis big size it has no tools to defend itself from carnivores like lio or metriorynchus"

[sullen cairn]

although it seems to vary from 4-7 in unambigious triceratops anyways so same idea

[queen oar]

" Domain Expansion... Teeth-based Size Estimates!! "

[chrome condor]

where did you get your quotes from lol
Google AI?

[orchid lynx]

Nope marine biologists

[winter marsh]

METRIORHYNCHUS!? Dawg I could legit 1v1 a metrio in a fist fight

[chrome condor]

name them

[wind prairie]

chief, the size IS the tool

[queen oar]

yeah, maybe you could

[orchid lynx]

so leeds itsnt an ark like fighter hes indeed just a sunfish.

[winter marsh]

I am totally sure, I just need smth like an RPG

[chrome condor]

atopodentatus vs steel toed shoe who wins

[queen oar]

Where the f*ck are you getting a RPG? You gonna go fight it like a Man, brother!

[wind prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152346191061860512/1479628879789293710/IMG_2687.gif

[winter marsh]

uhhhh, America

[chrome condor]

yeah uncle google AI told me that
liopleurodon ate leeds into extinction!!

[wind prairie]

only way you'd beat a metriorhynchus is if you were IN an RPG! 🥁

[queen oar]

Final Fantasy OST plays

[orchid lynx]

hes slower then lio and has no tools against a lio its easy basics all paleontologists will tell you

[chrome condor]

bait used to be believable 😔

[queen oar]

It's not even worth to compete for this one...

[hazy basalt]

are these palaeontologists in the room with us now?

[orchid lynx]

there is an overwhelming amound of evidence yeah

[crisp matrix]

Yes, but I don't really feel like engaging with this conversation

[chrome condor]

yeah...
i bet i could take leedsichthys in a fist fight totally

[queen oar]

Curiousity, do those paleontologists manifest as voices in your head? And only you can see them for brief periods of time?

[orchid lynx]

its just a giant tuna why you hyping that fish so up

i go sleep now i should stop with ppl who have anime pictures xD

[chrome condor]

wait till you learn tuna are actually really efficient and fast predators

[winter marsh]

gang, you just said it yourself. Its a giant tuna. Tunas arent really slow if I remember correctly. And if you put a big tuna against a big sea turtle I kid you not, the big tuna wins

[crisp matrix]

I feel like this whole thing was just trolling

[winter marsh]

this chat aint for you megamind

[chrome condor]

i hope a leedsichthys eats you in your dreams like pinnochio

[orchid lynx]

oh they carnis but leed isnt

[winter marsh]

guys guys guys, diplodocus was defenseless against allosaurus

[wind prairie]

lets look at it this way
asthenocormines and thalassophoneans...
which one has representatives from the end of the cretaceous, and which one doesn't- (megalocephalosaurus found dead in turonian)

[winter marsh]

Big stupid fish archetype never fails

[orchid lynx]

Why is there a woman between the fish??

[wind prairie]

idk why but this was funny enough to make me laugh out loud

[chrome condor]

filter feeders are actually carnivores

[winter marsh]

go to sleep god dammit

[orchid lynx]

yes youre right but idk what the hell they filter million years ago lol

[winter marsh]

gang, where do you think we come from

[chrome condor]

zooplankton still existed millions of years ago

[wind prairie]

same thing they filter now hg 💔

[orchid lynx]

how you know??

[opaque kayak]

I wonder how this guy made models so fast

[chrome condor]

bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait

[orchid lynx]

thank you guys i feel very dumb also plankton has no bones right?

[charred hearth]

that aint a feeling thats a fact

[queen oar]

I think it's funny, that when we are having a out of topic conversation, a moderator always intervenes, when there's someone clearly doing it for the ragebait, you do not even see them on sight.

[chrome condor]

plankton from spongebob does have a skeleton yes youre right

[orchid lynx]

i thought he was algae like i didnt knew plankton where small crab

[wind prairie]

nah they have bones twin. Here's the skeleton of an octopus. Bizarre, right??

[crisp matrix]

Some have hard parts (e.g., diatoms), but they aren't made up of bone.

[chrome condor]

i think id rather fight a megapack of 6 tylos than engage with this any longer 💔

[wind prairie]

don't listen to her planktons' bones are harder than diamonds
so they preserved well and that's how we know when they evo- erm were created

[orchid lynx]

Thanks

[queen oar]

I prefer to have a last stand on Triceratops or Eotriceratops against a Megapack of Rexes.

[chrome condor]

[winter marsh]

I prefer to face 12 kapros as an apa

[charred hearth]

my conspiracy theory of the day was that slowpoke was based off of prehestoric aquatic sea sloths

[crisp matrix]

That's a fun theory! I love it when pokemon references obscure taxa

[wind prairie]

all of you can only use PoT analogies
I'd rather get torn limb from limb by a pack of starved elasmosaurs in real life

[winter marsh]

id rather get eaten from the inside out by 1000 tarantula hawk larvae

[wind prairie]

slowpoke was conceived before the thing was even found tmk

[charred hearth]

oh...

[elfin pulsar]

So that means aquatic sloths are inspired by slowpoke then!

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jax-the-amazing-digital-circus-jax-tadc-tadc-jax-tadc-episode-7-gif-8291721121544952554

[elfin pulsar]

I imagine slowpoke is like, just a hippo thing

[charred hearth]

slowpoke is like evee where its defiently a animal, you just dont know what one

[wind prairie]

if it translated into real life like this I could take and train a hippo in the UK and it would turn into a venomous gun armed biped

[charred hearth]

is kabutops still a trilobite like kabuto? or is it based off of another prehestoric animal

[wind prairie]

pokemon take more than one design inspiration all the time, and while kabuto is mostly horseshoe crab, kabutops additionally takes on the shape of a trilobite

[elfin pulsar]

Its based on cheirurs or whatever iirc

Yeah, it is

[wind prairie]

kabutops might as well be if you put scyther's arms and legs on a trilobite
funny that gen 1 bug types are so non-bug coded that RJ Palmer reinterpreted scyther as... a synapsid??

[elfin pulsar]

Idk none of the others are like that

[wind prairie]

yeah tbf I didn't think about that, and kabutops isn't bug either
scyther's line is just a really weird case

[winter marsh]

ok gng now we just making stuff up

[elfin pulsar]

Dragapult is a peak paleo pokemon imo

[winter marsh]

Aurorus. Take it or leave it

[elfin pulsar]

Also peak

[charred hearth]

do you guys think a filter feeding mosasaurid was ever a thing in history? or did they die out too quickly?

[arctic heart]

Prob

[obsidian tangle]

That’s awesome, I wonder if this could apply to any other Pokémon?

[obsidian tangle]

Or maybe something else was filter feeding in the Cretaceous?

Just a random thought I had, how do we know that ammonite shells weren’t covered over by flesh and soft tissue like squid and cuttlefish bones were?

Like the swirl wouldn’t be visible

[ashen wedge]

Probably existed but then got clapped by its Brothers

[obsidian tangle]

Probably wasn’t discovered yet

[ashen wedge]

Fair

[obsidian tangle]

But it’s gonna be really cool once we uncover the Cretaceous filter feeding sea creature, what ever it is

[ashen wedge]

Probably did exist but was quickly wiped out due to the predatory competition between the Mosa’s

[obsidian tangle]

I find it kinda hard to believe that there was just nothing filling the niche of plankton for millions of years straight, wouldn’t that destabilize the food chain considerably?

[ashen wedge]

Probably was covered by some Sharks and fish could have filled out that niche

[obsidian tangle]

Or a fun idea I had is what if it was filled by a now extinct highly derived jelly fish or some other kind of invertebrate that never fossilized

[ashen wedge]

True

[sterile trail]

Silly lil diplocaulus pokemon

[obsidian tangle]

A question I have for any paleo nerds is What kind of modern day niche closely fits the one psittacosaurus occupied?

[stiff osprey]

It was a medium sized, not very fast herbivore that ate low lying plants and possibly burrowed/dug for food, so something like a warthog

[obsidian tangle]

Oh that makes sense, it even has “tusks” and lots of babies!

[ashen wedge]

Which is heavier?

[brave nova]

Seems this tarbo would be slightly heavier. But they are basically the same weight

[fossil ingot]

Basically same weight

[little mauve]

We have Cretaceous filter feeders, they're just all fish or sharks. Pachycormids (Leedsichthys relatives) survived until the K/Pg, we also have the filter feeding sharks Pseudomegachasma and Aquilolamna

[wind prairie]

no, I don't they existed long enough to have gotten to evolve into something like that

[little mauve]

Yeah no filter feeding mosasaurs, we may have a filter feeding plesiosaur though- Morturneria