paleontology

[charred hearth]

whats primeval planet?

i found the original https://www.facebook.com/61583950237252/videos/2342306322919448/?__so__=permalink

[runic heart]

No idea what this might be? I’m betting Saurosuchus.

[stiff osprey]

oh wow this thing comes out like this week

[runic heart]

Yeah

And Surviving Earth in June (as of now)

[native kindle]

their first video, the carnos horn size randomly changes between shots. which is something you don't see on a real model lmao

[charred hearth]

so its most likely its AI?

[native kindle]

not most likely. its ai

[hallow spear]

Indeed I have but I’ve yet to fully read it

[full lagoon]

It looks good at a glance but yeah. Aside from that glossy look that a lot of AI has there are a few other issues that become most notable as they turn and animate.

The carcha's head shifts slightly and almost looks like it's "floating" as it turns

Not to mention the context of the video based on the animation isn't really very convincing either. It doesn't look like a genuine dispute between the creatures and they look oddly calm despite what it says.

It's becoming much harder to distinguish AI from actual art, but I hope this video helps you and me both get better at identifying it.

[paper parcel]

But don't you know, mammals are just advanced reptiles

[full lagoon]

It's a lot more complex than that I'd say

[rough spruce]

the easiest way to distinguish if its ai is that its origins are from facebook 💀
An actual 3d artist would likely have their info at least somewhere on the account as well, but theres nothing on this one

[paper parcel]

Ngl wonder how long it would take for the dinos to run into a ice age if the meteor didn't hit, would they gain fur/feathers or develop ways to have their young not freeze.

[full lagoon]

Very true, just earlier I was looking into the AI paleo "art" craze and became more enlightened on the subject

[full lagoon]

Given that cold adapted dinosaurs already existed in some parts of the world, I think it's definitely plausible and possible

[rough spruce]

its a little sad to see paleoart being turned into content slop farms when theres lots of awesome artists around. though its only expected from facebook of all places. Just a reminder to really check your sources, the og poster thought it was an actual 3d artist 💔

[paper parcel]

Shringasaurus. The irl slurpasaur

[full lagoon]

It's sad and scary honestly, especially as it's becoming more advanced

[light osprey]

Dinosaurs already encountered ice ages of their own during the Mesozoic

[paper parcel]

How cold would it actually have to be for large sauropods to have fur, like how mammoths had fur to survive the absurd cold?

[full lagoon]

I can't really answer that, but probably pretty cold. Do note that they weren't quite as warm blooded mammals simply to maintain their massive sizes to begin with.

In fact, it's probably why many dinosaurs are thought to be mesothermic. In terms of metabolic demand and regulation it seems to be a sweet spot for them.

[paper parcel]

I can see some sauropods who aren't big enough to just rely on gigantothermy developing feathers or something similar,

[thorn grove]

another thing to consider: sauropods could have shortened and/or fattened their necks a bit to improve their overall surface area:volume ratio and those kinds of changes would probably come about much easier than developing an otherwise novel feathery coat

[full lagoon]

I could also see them becoming more compact to keep their extremities warmer, yeah.

Tweaking size and metabolism over time could also prove helpful, either speccing into gigantothermy or just being more warm blooded (which could pose problems based on food availability)

[hazy basalt]

Is Suchos neck too short in PoT or am I going crazy?

[charred hearth]

also, dont we have sauropods that ( Possibly ) would've lived in snow? ie the Nemegt sauropods

[thorn grove]

was nemegt that cold?

but yea we have sauropods from cold formations

[charred hearth]

isnt it seasonal? thats what i heard atleast

[full lagoon]

Yeah I didn't associate the nemeget with being cold? Just to be clear we are talking about Tarbosaurus and Deinocherius country

[thorn grove]

idk im not the paleoenvironment guy

[paper parcel]

Kinda weird seeing cold formations or dinos in the cold in general, probably because the mesozoic is always depicted as being hot/warm

[charred hearth]

am i thinking of the wrong formation?

[thorn grove]

are you thinking of yutyrannus maybe

i forget the formation name

[full lagoon]

You might be thinking of yuturannus's yeah

Yixian?

[charred hearth]

i thought yixian wasnt that cold to snow

found it!

[full lagoon]

Yutyrannus is THE large feathered dinosaur so I'd probably think otherwise

[paper parcel]

Remember the fourth episode from walking with dinosaurs where theres a forest in the north pole because of how warm the global temperature is? Is that accurate?

[thorn grove]

it's the fifth and it's the south pole but afaik forests were indeed present in antarctica for much of the mesozoic

[charred hearth]

see? im not crazy

[silk sonnet]

if I buy path of titans on another PC can I use the same account on the other PC on a new one so I don't have to buy the game again?

[full lagoon]

To clarify it was definitely a lot warmer on average back then, but it did get snowy occasionally, especially in the later Cretaceous

[undone rapids]

Yixian is just the formation that is very very good at preserving integument. Doesn't mean it was a really cold place

[paper parcel]

Not going to lie that would be pretty cool to see, although the idea of a eternally dark or bright forest is kinda odd.

[full lagoon]

You would think such a profound adaptation on a large animal would imply something though

[runic heart]

What conditions are specifically good for integument?

[paper parcel]

Imagine having to live in a cold and dark forest with random creatures about for months with no sunlight

[charred hearth]

is deinocherius the largest animal that has POTENTIAL evidence of feathers?

[full lagoon]

Probably

[charred hearth]

we found feather knobs on it right? or something like that

[full lagoon]

It was a pygostyle I think, a tail attachment found in birds.
Not 100% sure

[silk sonnet]

anyone?

[charred hearth]

ask in #path-of-titans

[full lagoon]

Another really interesting thing about this and a few other features present in early ornithomimosaurs has given birth to the theory that the group descended from some type of flying ancestor?

While it's not conclusive by any means it would show that their evolution was way more complex than dinosaur -> bird

[charred hearth]

are stellar seas closer to manatee's or dewgongs

[paper parcel]

Jurassic antarctic is peak

[full lagoon]

Cryolophosaurus peak

[charred hearth]

dilophosaurus
monolophosaurus
or cryolophosaurus

[undone rapids]

Feathers are found in coelurosaurs pretty commonly, as it got big yuty just didn't have much of a reason to loose them it seems. 6 - 14 degrees for early cret is cold, but nothing extreme.

[full lagoon]

Yeah, but still definitely cold in comparison to some other areas. (I'm not arguing for the presence of giant beds of snow everywhere to be clear)

Just noting that cold adaptations existed in atleast some form

[undone rapids]

Idk exactly, but there's this

[paper parcel]

Wonder how cryo dealt with the months of just pure sunlight/darkness

[full lagoon]

Oh volcanic, cool

[runic heart]

Aaaahh, volcanic sediment, that’s it.

[full lagoon]

Does anybody have more insight on this theory or am I just chasing something heavily outdated?

Iirc it was mainly due to something found on pelicanimimus relating to the arms and chest

[runic heart]

Don’t see enough people talking about the Tyrannotitan-Patagotitan duo. It’s always Mapu-Argent, or the often mistaken Giga-Argent.

[paper parcel]

Wait giga didn't live with argent

[runic heart]

No 😭

[undone rapids]

It lived with a very very big sauropod that they didn't name since it might be argent

[runic heart]

Oh that’s why it isn’t named?

[full lagoon]

So it's a maybe but not conclusive

[undone rapids]

The material they described didn't overlap with argent and iirc there might be more material so they might decide after looking at all of that

[paper parcel]

Amphicoelias confirmed?

[full lagoon]

Amphocelias was from a different time and region

[thorn grove]

it's Cf. Argentinosaurus meaning it appears similar but there's insufficient overlap to provide a conclusive answer

[paper parcel]

Path of titans be like, guys it's not giganotosaurus its just a smaller species that happens to look like it called tyrannotitan

[light osprey]

For the early Cretaceous its not very cold at all. Many Chinese basins preserve much cooler conditions

[scenic flame]

wdym, tyrannotitan is not a dubious taxon

[full lagoon]

That's not what he's implying at all, just making a silly joke.

[scenic flame]

the giant 19.9 meter diplodocoid

[outer tusk]

ERMMMMMM 21.87m!!!

[scenic flame]

I don't get it, there's nothing wrong with PoT's TTT, well aside from a new slightly different reconstruction which is only recently being made

[paper parcel]

Guys it's not triceratops, it's eotriceratops, guys it's not carnotaurus it's pycno

[full lagoon]

It's because they chose a slightly less popular dinosaur that fills a similar role (nothing to do with classification or paleo)

[outer tusk]

that a u problem then

[scenic flame]

I mean that's a pretty arbitrary criticism when TTT isn't some super fragmentary glupshiddo, nor was it just named TTT while modeled after something different like pycno or to an extent eotrike (base species for eotrike it's pretty accurate)

[paper parcel]

Wrong, sauropods always live on, in our hearts and souls

[full lagoon]

It's not even a criticism, just a joke/observation about the game roster. I think it's being taken too seriously.

[outer tusk]

OMFG WHEN WILL THESE SPECIFC RECON FROM PALEONERD STOP BEING POSTED lowkey

[paper parcel]

I'm not sure which is true at this point lol

[full lagoon]

66+ meters is insane (also my point was that it was found in a Jurassic formation in another part of the world)

[paper parcel]

Is maraapunisaurus real? The way they depicted it reminds me of cotylorhynchus

[outer tusk]

yes

[full lagoon]

Some sauropods did indeed look like that, but we can't say so for maraapunisaurus itself with any certainty

[paper parcel]

Brachytrachelopan

[full lagoon]

I love how they did the tail

[paper parcel]

Another thing is. I wonder if the lack or rarity of omnivorous dinos had to do with the lack of good tasting/edible fruit

[outer tusk]

no

[winter marsh]

it might be the fact that the 2 thousand dinos we have arent even 1% of the total fauna we had back then

[full lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

There's most definitely a degree of diversity and variation we will never see

[winter marsh]

maybe they had indeed a small roster of creatures and we might just be tryna sound tuff with the ''but we didnt even discover 1%''

[left shard]

Reupload

Do we have anything on pachycephalosaurus movement, and what exactly it could do with its potential ramming, and could they run fast to say outrun animals like nanotyrannus?

[full lagoon]

We discover new modern species on the daily so 🤷

[stiff osprey]

no they could not outrun Nanotyrannus, Nanotyrannus is the most cursorial large animal in the mesozoic

they could probably outrun a T.rex tho

[winter marsh]

hmmmm

[queen oar]

I think they would.

[full lagoon]

Even if they couldn't they definitely had other ways to deal with them

[queen oar]

It's an alternative. But realistically, I don't know if Pachy would be the most effective at defending itself, we kinda of only see evidence of damage caused by the domes in infraspecific interactions, and not much ( at least, that we can infer ) in other animals. You kinda don't see Young Tyrannosauruses with bones completely destroyed by an likely Pachycephalosaurus hit, and not much either on Nanotyrannus. I know it's a bit of a impossible thing to find preserved, but it's not like Triceratops horns were if they did defend themselves they would normally be piercing through organic tissue that isn't bone, a Pachycephalosaurus hit would most likely cause some tissue and bone to be damaged.

[ionic linden]

wow this is weird seeing 2 animals sharing the same species name

[stiff osprey]

It happens sometimes, but in this case it is because Amphicoelias fragillimus is an outdated name for Maraapunisaurus fragillimus. Same animal

[queen oar]

Still surprised Amphicoelias is still valid or accepted as a genera despite how many years of not receiving any new remains

[outer tusk]

tbf alot of taxa are about the same if not lowkey worse

[full lagoon]

Not necessarily the only thing they can do though, and I wasn't implying purely self defense.

[queen oar]

I mean yeah, the thing is that I'm mostly just surprised that, it's pretty much the " Nothing ever happens! " meme

[queen oar]

I mean, sure, but I think the point still kinda stands. And yeah, alternatively, I agree.

[granite thicket]

also, I don't think evidence of pachy defending itself would be that easy to come by since pachy inflicts blunt force trauma rather than piercing or crushing attacks that can reach bone easier

[outer tusk]

what

[lucid gyro]

mhmm i mean in terms of blunt force trauma itself we can still see fractures on bone. however im really not sure how much force a pachy can apply. im sure there is some way to see

[little mauve]

they don't show specific adaptations for rapid acceleration as far as I know but I could be wrong, but the charge is as important as the weaponry

[lucid gyro]

yea i thought the theory of pachys ramming heads was contested? as in we dont know howw actually strong the head was

[queen oar]

tbh, it also sorta of involves how much force a Pachy could apply, and how much force the surface being hit can handle.

[little mauve]

it's as contested as anything else but they do have pathologies that are consistent with it

[queen oar]

We also sorta of working with theory here, and with assuming that everything will be in perfect conditions still. Per say, I think that it's very likely that the domes that we see completely fractured, were individuals that didn't had the best of health conditions when they confronted another member of the same species, and likely resulted into those fractures.

[little mauve]

it would have been most likely at relatively low speeds which complicates things as an anti-predator defense

https://palaeo-electronica.org/2008_1/140/140.pdf here's a paper on structure and potential head butting

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0021422 here's one comparing their anatomy to modern head butting artiodactyls

and two on pathologies https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0068620 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0036227

[queen oar]

@little mauve btw gbones, since you are good with the source stuff, do you have any literature on behaviour or forage methods on Razorbills and Great Auks?

[little mauve]

google scholar gave me this on razorbills and puffins https://www.int-res.com/abstracts/meps/v520/meps11080

not much on Great Auks because they're extinct

[queen oar]

yeah, they also didn't had much studies on them before they went extinct too

[little mauve]

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=21107&context=auk breeding ecology and extinction of the great auk, might be a good overview

try that second link I sent, it's pretty good and has a section on feeding ecology

google scholar + wikipedia bibliographies are both very good places for primary sources and papers

[queen garnet]

Fun fact sacrosuchus isn’t even a crocodile

[charred hearth]

how realistic is the mutadons skeleton

[balmy oyster]

Well for starters, with wings like that flight is physically impossible

[rich vessel]

A large amount of the movie made no sense

[balmy oyster]

Obviously but the least they could do was make the wings more proper 😭

[runic heart]

Tianyulong from “The Dinosaurs”. Reminder, the shows coming on March 6th. Honestly it might not be all that bad. The animations and behaviors seem solid so far, despite the many mid creature designs.

[rich vessel]

Oh yeah ik, just saying that a large amount of the movie didn’t make sense lol

[compact leaf]

this is a pretty abysmal tianyulong though it must be said

[ancient crystal]

I know its probably not AI but it looks like AI

[little mauve]

yeah I'm not in love with the designs in this series

[full lagoon]

If they can't think of a genuine, sensible sequel or plot, no, they can't.

[full lagoon]

I'm hoping the behavior and characterization pulls some weight for the designs as well. Haven't seen much but i'm cautiously optimistic atp.

[runic heart]

Apparently the ankylosaurus vs T. rex scene is animated perfectly accurately, so.

[full lagoon]

Yeah that looked really cool

[runic heart]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tHa0ZhSTM

[ashen wedge]

Who made the bones fly? Unrealistic, this is clearly holograms of bones

[charred hearth]

how much can cave paintings tell us about patterning and coloration of prehestoric mammals? like, are they a reliable source to determine the coloring and pattern of a extinct animal?

[woeful haven]

anyone know if the current size estimates for purussaurus is reliable? looking into who’s the biggest crocodilian and from there trying to see who’d win in water between said largest crocodilian and a spino and rex

[stiff osprey]

largest purussaurus is currently 10-11 m long and 5-7 tonnes

It is also the uncontested biggest crocodylian as Deinosuchus was kicked out of the group last year for being cringe

[granite thicket]

Puru is the biggest croc anyways cause deino was disqualified from the competition

[paper parcel]

Is this yangchuanosaurus accurate?

[opaque quail]

Why did deino get kicked out of the competition?

[runic rover]

Tadpole syndrome

(Couldn't find a better gif without all the stupid writings, sorry)

Deinosuchus in 2025 be like:

[opaque quail]

Im sorry. What💔

[coral forge]

bro became a bobblehead

[opaque quail]

Like too much of its body was just head that its size ranking got decreased?

[coral forge]

scans showed that its body is proportionally smaller than once thought, shaving off around 2.5 tons from its previously assumed max weight

[opaque quail]

2.5 TONS!? JESUS

[coral forge]

I mean 5.4 tons is still a giant croc, just a lot less than 8 tons

[opaque quail]

Well yeah but still just losing 2.5 tons is a massive difference for any animal

[runic rover]

The og measurements were based on normal crocodiles with normal proportions where the head doesn't look like the entire thing was chibified, because of that it used to look like Deino was this colossal croc in previous studies, now it's different.

Basically Dunkleosteus all over again.

[opaque quail]

Genuinly when you first said "Tadpole syndrom" I thought you meant that someone changed it to be a amphibian for a full 5 mins until I remembered the new skull it got

[granite thicket]

Cause its not a true croc

[outer tusk]

still massive at the end of the day

[runic rover]

Just like Giganotosaurus, just because I fell in love with it when it was colossal doesn't mean I'm going to stop loving it because it is no more.

Weak people do that.

[outer tusk]

even though it's still the same size lowkey

[woeful haven]

can anyone reference me to any books or sources in general that are reliable that go over purussaurus? i’m new to learning crocodilians and i’d like to start with puru (assuming that’s fine to do)

[ashen wedge]

Question: are the largest Crocodilomorphs all getting downsized?

[frail robin]

Why did Pteranodontids have longer upper beaks compared to their lower jaws? What purpose would that have served?

[frail robin]

What are they on about

[polar rain]

I have no idea

[polar rain]

HES SAYING MY PALEOART IS TOO SPECULATIVE LMFAOOOOO

I BARELY ADD ANY EXTRA SOFT TISSUE

[gleaming talon]

Technically the only true crocs belong to crocodylus

[polar rain]

It is tho

[granite thicket]

I thought deino was kicked out of true crocodylian

[polar rain]

Isnt it a type of alligator

[gleaming talon]

Like crocodylus niloticus or the nile crocodile
Now crocodilians is a different story

[granite thicket]

nope

[gleaming talon]

Allorgatoroid

[lofty creek]

kinda agree with this

especially the ones after the fourth piece

(I dont mean speculative is bad in paleoart, but these are indeed quite speculative)

[gleaming talon]

Bro has not heard of individual dimorphism

[polar rain]

Ceeatosaurus looks cool af with a dewlap im not the only one who did that

[lofty creek]

cool yet indeed speculative

[polar rain]

Tarbosaurus allegedly had one tho

[gleaming talon]

I mean its hard to tell

[lofty creek]

not even a good enough reason to give trex the same thing even they are close relatives

not to mention cerato

[outer tusk]

Depends on how the dewlap is drawn

[lofty creek]

I mean bro
u cant make sure it indeed existed,nor it didnt exist

and we call these speculative stuff

[polar rain]

I just really like insisting on the idea that ceratosaurus had a spiky dewlap

[light osprey]

What was alleged is likely not a dewlap

[polar rain]

Fr?

[tough parcel]

It's likely skin sloughing off due to decomposition (and/or hadrosaur skin unless that was a different Tarbo impression)

[runic heart]

Might not ever know. Cause it’s lost out in the desert.

[tough parcel]

Yes...let's go with that...

[runic heart]

Or it’s just dust now

[runic heart]

Is it also possible that it’s more of just a larger throat area? Kinda like a pouch but not really?

[runic rover]

Didn't they say that was a throat sac made for making and enhancing the infrasounds? Because I do remember that and I was in love with the description of what it implied... However, like most things about not-rex I saw it only once in my lifetime and never again, so bringing it up makes me always nervous some paleontology " fan " might jump me. Happens a lot.

[runic heart]

There’s a multitude of purposes for a dewlap, thermoregulation and display are some.

[polar rain]

Where did you get this from?

[runic heart]

I’d assume the inevitability of decomposition before fossilization.

[tough parcel]

https://incertaesedisblog.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/the-anecdotal-tarbosaurus-throat-skin/
This is all of the information available about the Tarbosaurus throat skin. No photographs or illustrations of the actual impressions have ever surfaced. Mikhailov’s description is missing a lot of critical details. The locality where the specimen came from is unknown, as are its present whereabouts. Was it collected and placed in a museum, or was it left in the field to erode completely? There are no measurements for the impressions and the exact type of integument (e.g. naked skin or scales) is not stated. The specimen could have been misinterpreted, with the “pouch” actually representing post-mortem skin slippage. Given the lack of further study it is best to remain cautious.

[runic heart]

Which is probable, but the way I see it, that neck skin had to have come from the… well the neck.

Obviously inconclusive, possibly indefinitely, but I’d imagine something like this.

[runic rover]

Still damn beautiful... Tho I prefer it with the speculative dewlap

[lusty yarrow]

does anyone have that speculative image of the t rex if cartilage preserved as well as bone, where it had a human nose, feathers and lips bigger than wendigoon's?

[full lagoon]

Thanks for having me mentally picture that..

[runic rover]

Thankfully no, but sadly the internet managed to do worse

[orchid lynx]

So does Pycno has actually Horns? do most Abelisaurids have horns or not?

[lusty yarrow]

Found it

[undone rapids]

Pynco has no skull material so we don't know. Most abelisaurs don't have horns. Its just Carnotaurus, Majungasaurus and Rajasaurus so far

[outer tusk]

^

[velvet burrow]

Once that said, what most (all) abelisaurids do have are extremely rugous skulls that would've supported extensive keratin or soft tissue structures

On top of that we know that 2 of the largest abelisaurids did develop independently bony projections on their heads while being on opposite ends of the family tree, so i wouldn't fully discard the other largest abelisaurid to have a similar type of structure even if not closely related to them

[undone rapids]

Its very much possible it had something yeah.

[tender dove]

Not again

[velvet burrow]

Also a bit unrelated but some recent papers note how abelisaurid skulls vary mostly in the shape of the bones were the display structures would've been nested in, rather than in its jaw function which seems to be the same across the family. That plus how common it is to find evidence of multiple similarly sized abelisaurids in the same environments, implies to me that among abelisaurids species recognition might've been particularly important

I feel like paleoartists don't even try with abelisaurid display structures

-# Then again, they barely try with things that aren't Tyrannosaurus

[undone rapids]

There was an abstract on skorpiovenator's skull that mentioned double paired prominences, so maybe it did have 4 tiny horns or crests. We also know it had alot of blood flowing through its skull, maybe for some display structure too

[velvet burrow]

Oooo

Where abstract

[undone rapids]

From Capa 2025

[plush fossil]

i cant get over how cool this fossil is

[undone rapids]

Its amazing :
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kHFKaTmYnh4

[plush fossil]

it has a broken jaw thats too far up in that fossil right? or am i thinking of a different one?

[undone rapids]

That should be the one yeah

[orchid lynx]

So the most biggest have horns he maybe does i hope he look like an texas longhorn 😄

[misty scarab]

Abelisaurids are so fascinating

[undone rapids]

Ekrixinatosaurus, Abelisaurus and the very large kenyan abeli don't seem to have horns so size probably isn't a factor.

[orchid lynx]

Yes maybe its Geopolitical? pycno comes from brazil idk about the others

[polar rain]

Would

[velvet burrow]

Probably not but faintly remember there was a study correlating theropod clades increasing in size with the development of display structures

[undone rapids]

Unlikely, carnotaurus is from Argentina where we have many flat headed abelis, while Majunga and Raja are Madagascar/India respectively. I don't know if we have the skull roof of rahiolisaurus to tell if it had horns or not

[thorn grove]

I wish people would depict pycno with more creative horns at least because just making it "bigger carno" is just lazy tbh

[undone rapids]

Abelisaur skulls vary alot, so there's many ways to reconstruct it
https://vxtwitter.com/heitoresco/status/1871998046936113356?s=20

Heitoresco (@heitoresco)

Here are some experiments I did with other abelisaurid skulls, although I decided to go with the Llukalkan skull to represent Pycno

QRT: heitoresco
Merry Christmas! I leave here my anatomical representations of Pycnonemosaurus, made for my academic work at the College

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 25, 2024, 7:14 PM

[orchid lynx]

thank you!

[velvet burrow]

At very least

I heard at one point Alderon was actually gonna name the thing Pycnonemosaurus sastrei
Like deadass
If true then how do you get so f*cking lazy dude

[balmy oyster]

I mean if it’s more basal and not a carno relative then it probably wouldn’t have had any crests

[thorn grove]

yea but im making an argument more about artistic creativity moreso than accuracy

[velvet burrow]

There is still a non zero chances it would've developed its own set of ornamentation because again, Majungasaurus also did and it's on the opposite end of the family tree

[velvet burrow]

Also this. If you use that non zero chance, do it creatively

[balmy oyster]

Oh wait if we’re talking about PoT then 100%, idk why they just used a oversized carno 😭

[coral forge]

you do realise like half of official playables have at least 1 subspecies named after a relative right

[velvet burrow]

That's (allegedly) how they were gonna name the main one

As in, not even trying to give it it's actual binomial name

[woeful falcon]

Did you just take that at face value

[coral forge]

how do you know that

[velvet burrow]

I don't. Again, i was just told
Not that i fully believe it either (but i don't discard it because, like, it isn't that hard to imagine) but IF true then yeah absolute laziness

[vocal rover]

Binomial? Isn't that math?

[drowsy venture]

Was Allosaurus any intelligent for its size? How much was its EQ?

[stiff osprey]

Less than Tyrannosaurus, more than most reptiles

[runic heart]

Surviving Earth Triassic stuff

[balmy oyster]

This is pretty good animation

[little mauve]

Surviving Earth looks far and away the most promising upcoming dino doc imo

[stiff osprey]

Let's pray that the footage they've shown so far isn't the entire CGI part of the episodes

[little mauve]

yeah hopefully there's a balance because the animations look really nice, I'm excited for the non-cgi sections though too I don't think paleo documentaries should be all CGI

[frigid delta]

how valid is Equus giganteus?

[winter marsh]

I lowkey wanna see some babies getting turned into john does

[drowsy venture]

Why were large cold blooded reptiles being so “unintelligent" while large warm blooded mammals are so "smart"??? Can someone explain why evolution works like this?

[hollow iris]

Basically because one was cold and had brain freeze

[drowsy venture]

https://tenor.com/view/alexuyutov-angry-birds-movie-gif-9247247637446089320

[stiff osprey]

Brains require massive amounts of energy, with the human brain consuming like 25% of the energy of the entire body iirc. A cold blooded reptile has far less energy than a warm blooded one, so it cannot afford to waste energy on a big brain if it doesn't need to

That and reptile brains have more densely packed neurons than mammal ones, so they can be fairly smart even with a small brain. Crocs and monitor lizards are plenty smart

[left shard]

Are you slow 💔✌️

[drowsy venture]

May I see where you got that information from?

[undone rapids]

About the croc smart one, here's some pretty cool hunting stuff : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272369202_Apparent_coordination_and_collaboration_in_cooperatively_hunting_crocodilians

[drowsy venture]

They also can respond to their own names if I remember correctly

[stiff osprey]

for the energy requirements of the human brain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK28124/ (it was actually 20%, not 25%)
for croc intelligence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374811387_Crocodylia_Cognition

I could not find a paper saying reptiles have a higher neuron density than mammals, however birds do have a higher density than mammals

[stiff osprey]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347223000520 also this one

I just noticed i replied to glaive instead of eoraptor the first time around, my bad

[drowsy venture]

Its fine but is it true that crocodiles can respond to their own names?

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-laugh-laughing-laugh-bugbear-torbek-gif-4829670807210790315

[left shard]

did we have a idea of pachycephalosaurus intellect? did they have a decent agility to outrun potential threats like nanotyrannus/adolescent tyrannosaurus

[native kindle]

we nave no idea of non-avian dinosaur intellect. just a vague basis from modern animals

[undone rapids]

Seems like it, he explains quite nicely : https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18HkgmxUzH/

He also has a YT channel

[jagged trellis]

mostly bias for gauging it( don't judge a fish via how a monkey climbs ect), that and the mentioned energetic costs for active showing vs passive use, seeing we really don't have much to gauge actual broad intelligence for anything in a genuine way beyond arguably cognition, which even then freaking butterflies have it lmao
can gauge some parts for specific uses, namely specializing in individuals

[queen garnet]

Fun fact: this was the first animal on earth and existed till 541 million years ago. Thoughts?

[jagged trellis]

friend shaped

[paper parcel]

What if it isn't the first animal, what if its just the footprints of a alien who seeded life on this planet to begin with? Or something worse then a alien

[winter marsh]

bro is the definition of nothing burger

[queen garnet]

Real

[paper parcel]

etacystis or H creature

[left shard]

did we have a idea of pachycephalosaurus intellect (or any estimates from its skull size)
did they have a decent agility to outrun potential threats like nanotyrannus/adolescent tyrannosaurus

[charred hearth]

Whats yalls favorite ceratopsians frill

[ionic linden]

either chasmosaurus, styracosaurus or pentaceratops

[charred hearth]

I like regaliceratops, it's frill looks so royal

[little mauve]

higher neuron density evolved further down the avian line probably in coordination with flight

[little mauve]

Pachycephalosaur neurology is poorly studied, there's only one paper from 1989 and it doesn't estimate relative brain size. We can make a few guesses though. First off marginocephalia shows a marked decrease in relative brain size in the ceratopsian line among large bodied lineages, pachycephalosaurs are relatively basal and small bodied so we shouldn't necessarily expect this process to be impacting them. Psittacosaurus is well studied neurologically and as a basal marginocephalian might be our best proxy. They have relatively high brain to body ratios, moderately expanded cerebrums, enlarge olfactory and optic lobes, and good balance indicated by their floccular ratio. Pachycephalosaurus has a similarly structured brain and probably a similar brain to body ratio. So it would have been relatively active and intelligent for a dinosaur, somewhere around the large theropod range conservatively

Smell would have been a very important sense for them, probably vision as well. Their domes are indicative of relatively complex social interactions whether display or agonistic behaviors or both, which takes some intelligence

[left shard]

Tysm! I also made the assumption there depth perception would’ve been well if they did ram eachother so they wouldn’t hit eachother hard.

[little mauve]

I've seen claims of depth perception in pachycephalosaurs but no real studies on it. There may be some overlap but their eyes look typically wideset to me

[shrewd quiver]

one might say its frill looks REGAL get it

[charred hearth]

how long would the babies of large therapods stay with their parents? lets use rex as a example

would it be as soon as their ready to hunt? maybe a little later after they have a little bit of experince?

[stiff osprey]

Most theropods would have stayed with their young less than a year

[shrewd quiver]

how do we know that

[stiff osprey]

taking care of one clutch makes it harder to mate and lay a new one, and theropod reproductive windows are short, so they want to breed every year or at least every couple years

[balmy oyster]

Non-avian dinosaurs were mostly very capable at birth aside from maybe most hadrosaurs, so I’d figure many would be good to run off and survive on their own from the start

[shrewd quiver]

well why wouldnt they just not take care of the kids like many modern reptiles

[stiff osprey]

that's why i said less than a year, it could be zero lol

[shrewd quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[charred hearth]

how long ( lets use rex as a example ) Incubated before hatching? like, a month? or would it be much less

[stiff osprey]

much more actually, most studies on dinosaur eggs put incubation times at 3+ months

[charred hearth]

damn, so im gonna assume nest protection was very fierce due to how long it took for the eggs to incubate and how long the reproduction / breeding periods were?

[stiff osprey]

leaving a nest unattended for 3 months would be a pretty dumb idea, unless you bury it underground in a strategic place like sauropods did

[charred hearth]

sauropods, the deadbeats of the jurassic...

[little mauve]

3-6 months seems average for large dinosaurs, it may be longer for sauropods and shorter for paravians

[stiff osprey]

hard to imagine it being longer than six months, the animal hardly has time to do anything else

then again it is a sauropod so it's not going to care much

[charred hearth]

im gonna assume stegosaurids, hadrosaurs and ceratopsians cared about their kids more then other groups?

[stiff osprey]

hadrosaurs are the shining example of motherhood in dinosaurs, I am unaware of any evidence of parental care in stegosaurs though

Psittacosaurus bizarrely shows both parental care and babysitting behavior which is very cool

[charred hearth]

@hallow spear im so sorry for always pinging you, but do you have any info on how good of parents stegosaurds were?

[little mauve]

We know later thyreophorans were forming age segregated creches, possibly with nestmates. Parental care was probably very low though, similar to sauropods

[charred hearth]

isnt babysitting behavior only really shown in like, highly social animals? like lion prides, orca pods?

[stiff osprey]

i'm sure a few birds do it too

[charred hearth]

oh, its called Cooperative breeding, i didnt know it existed

[stiff osprey]

gharial males will guard babies from multiple mothers, but presumably all those babies were fathered by the male, unlike in psittaco where it's subadults caring for the babies

[charred hearth]

first babydaddy to actually step up for multiple women at once?

[mint spindle]

Case #8969 @storm cedar has been warned.
Reason: Invite link.

[stiff osprey]

one trillion dollars child support

[balmy oyster]

A mosquito a day keeps the 300 infants fed

[light osprey]

They look like an army of fish attacking the gharial

[stiff osprey]

the fearsome piranha

[charred hearth]

wait, if their all related to a single father, how do they avoid inbreeding if theres so many of them

[little mauve]

"Alright boys on three everybody push, ready? 1....2...."

[stiff osprey]

most of them will be dead before they're old enough to breed

croc males also tend to kick male offspring off their territory like most animals do

[charred hearth]

oh alright, the only animals i can think of that are severly inbred are cheetahs, them poor poor cheetahs.

[stiff osprey]

and that's only because there was a recent point in time where there were like 10 of them so they had no choice

[charred hearth]

was it due to humans like always?

[stiff osprey]

i don't think humans had as much of an effect on the cheetah prey base as we did on the actual big stuff

[little mauve]

Yeah croc egg to adult survival rates kind of put that good parent thing into perspective

[charred hearth]

how many eggs / kids were ( lets use rex as a example, AGAIN ) having ? like, 12? less?

[stiff osprey]

hey if your wife had 30-40 kids per year you'd lose a few too

[charred hearth]

facts, just look at medieval times

[little mauve]

True, something crazy like 98% of just nests were predated on in one study

[little mauve]

More than that probably, 15-30 seems reasonable

[charred hearth]

and were only 3 surviving out of the 30 most likely?

[stiff osprey]

survival rates were fairly high for tyrannosaurs in their first year, like probably 6 out of 30 eggs surviving

once they survive the first year the number of things that can kill them drastically decreases

[little mauve]

30 eggs, 5-10 are lost to egg predation and other factors, 20 hatch but yeah survival ratios that random is describing whatever the equivalent is

10-20% seems reasonable, higher than a croc

[stiff osprey]

it's even ~40% in this study although that surely excludes egg predation and non-hatched eggs

[little mauve]

That seems excessive

[stiff osprey]

i like how the sampling points lose track of the curve after age 20, spoiled the discovery that tyrannosaurs lived longer than we thought

[little mauve]

Yeah we need to recalibrate T. rex's life history once again

[stiff osprey]

yeah looking into it they just like averaged bird, mammal, and reptile neonate mortality there

small littered warmbloodcels skewing the curve (even though tyrannosaurs are also warmblooded)

[little mauve]

Is this Erickson & Currie 2006?

[stiff osprey]

it is

[little mauve]

Ya they standardize neonate mortality to like 60% or something with that method

Definitely needs an update but our record of fossil eggs and neonates to get any satisfactory data is probably going to stay abysmal forever

[frigid delta]

question for y'all

[little mauve]

https://peerj.com/articles/20469/ was surprised to see how little this was discussed, changes a lot of what we know about T. rex

[ionic linden]

im not very smart, i will say epicynodonts though

[stiff osprey]

I'm trying to decipher how old Sue would be if it has 11 LAGs post skeletal maturity but it's really unclear from the text

gotta be at least 45?

[little mauve]

At least yeah, they estimate Sue spent at least 11 years at full adult size. Which is awesome, Sue was a great rex.

[stiff osprey]

"dinosaur growth rates are so variable we'll never truly know how one species grew"

rex: dude the oldest one is the biggest. it's not hard

[little mauve]

They predict the asymptote to be 35-40 so 45-55 for Sue by their reckoning

[sullen cairn]

sue's kinda odd cause her preexisting growth curve in cullen et al is far more accelerated than all but the fastest model in woodward et al
which tbf is potentially due to methodological differences (imo most compellingly that cullen et al didnt account for exlusively cross-polarized visible LAGs and that cullen et al extrapolated circumference from radial distance from the periosteum which can be at least somewhat innacurate when the bone isn't a perfect circle)

[undone rapids]

Have you forgotten that scotty is bigger but clearly not as old!!!

[stiff osprey]

perssons et al 2019 is a coverup operation to hide the fact that sue is, in fact, the largest rex

[sullen cairn]

but yeah i think if you just ignore cullen et al's LAG data due to methodological differences and apply sue's 8-11 LAGs in the EFS (8 being the interpretation from zanno and napoli) you'd like like ~50 with the XPL and multiplet model

[velvet burrow]

Random question for Random
Does the evidence for arboreality on Manidens still hold to this day?

[stiff osprey]

I don't know if it's arboreal per se but it's certainly good at perching

[undone rapids]

Does the meraxes or any other histo use this methodology?

[velvet burrow]

Also would that also extend to other heterodontosaurids? (actually do we even have phalanges from other heterodontosaurids with similar adaptations?)

[stiff osprey]

Heterodontosaurus itself is not a climber, possibly because it is huge for het standards

[sullen cairn]

cullen et al is also where merax's histology is from but i know at least specimens there were indeed sectioned with an entire cross section and/or looked under cross polarized light but i forget if that was meraxes or not

[velvet burrow]

Ye
But also many people i ask about point out the huge arms and strong shoulders of heterodontosaurids

[stiff osprey]

it would honestly be a bit boring if all giant theropods took 35-40 years to grow

like oh look it's John Growthrate

[sullen cairn]

although even if a specimen was viewed under cross polarized light its perfectly possible they werent looking for new LAGs there and missed em anyways

based on the figure i'd assume it isnt a full transverse section but im too lazy to actually check any further

i suppose there also is the fact that sue is a femur section whereas almost all of woodward was tibiae but based on trix they finish growing at the same time (ignore that bertha may or may not demonstrate the opposite) and they're both weight bearing elements so at least in theory both should generally correspond to overall somatic growth

[charred hearth]

thoughts on the design?

wait this lowkey a good question https://x.com/knight_Steve_/status/2028982474475512095

Knight_Steve (@knight_Steve_)

Something I've been wondering, does Qianzhousaurus/Alioramus and Nanotyrannus count as a case of convergent evolution? Both are relatively small, gracile, long legged Tyrannosaurs.
I'm pretty sure the current studies do not consider the two groups to be that closely related

X · Mar 3, 2026, 11:54 PM

[little mauve]

somewhat, but not in the sense this guy is saying. They both converged on similar bodyplans and masses but were both descended from equally gracile and long legged tyrannosauroid ancestors. I.e. they're both very big predators and were descended from smaller animals.

if alioramines descended from an alectrosaurus-type ancestor they were probably less cursorial over time, the same pattern as in tyrannosaurines just less extreme. Nanotyrannus is a slightly different case as it is more cursorial than Qianzhousaurus and other theropods by a ridiculous degree

[wind prairie]

I still don't get why baby ornithopods were altricial 🥀

[charred hearth]

what does altricial mean>

[wind prairie]

oh wow didn't know that

[little mauve]

Requiring more parental care, opposite of precocial

[peak jetty]

Dinosaur dimetrodon

But yeah its better to say rhat they "maintained the tyrannosaur ancestral condition" or sonething to that effect

[lavish frigate]

That’s….thats just the dominion one…

[charred hearth]

Were there any marine mamma group that went extinct?

Only ones I can think of are sea sloths

[balmy oyster]

Maybe, but when you compare the two you get some really stark differences to one another

[balmy oyster]

Desmostylans, only aquatic based clade to go fully extinct, likely due to climate changes & competition with sireniens/pinnipeds

[stiff osprey]

If there's one extinct clade I am not mad i missed out on seeing alive it's desmostylians. I feel i would take psychic damage from seeing one move

[paper parcel]

Desmostylians are peak af

[balmy oyster]

We also do not need oceanic hippos I think keeping them in Africa (and South America i guess) is more than enough

[paper parcel]

We need shonisaurus or icthyosaurs back tbh, or plesiosaurs

Or even better, all the synapsids that went extinct at the end of the permian

[topaz shell]

Jonkeria is the best creature Ive ever seen

[balmy oyster]

So we’re going to get x2 mammals

Mammals squared

Ima be fr if it wasn’t for the Mesozoic not a single person would question the Permian because it feels…normal in comparison to whatever happened when the earth decided to nearly implode

Might also be why it gets less traction than dinosaurs, because an Anteosaurus is awesome but WDYM a bipedal 10 ton megapredator with great endurance eyesight and even intelligence that also ate similarly sized bulldozers with giant spikes and neck shield and also the size of a car AND WERE REAL?

[paper parcel]

Anteosaurus is just a hippo

[topaz shell]

Anteosaurus is better than a hippo

[balmy oyster]

no....

Anteosaurus is Trex over 160 million years before Trex was a thing

[topaz shell]

Jonkeria was the largest Permian predator right? I might be misremembering this tho

[paper parcel]

Hippos also have a crushing bite, it's just that hippos only sometimes eat flesh and anteosaurus always ate flesh

[paper parcel]

Omnivore but yeah it was mostly a herbivore

[balmy oyster]

this is...a very bad analogy.

a Hyena is like a hippo then. My neighbor's HOUSECAT is similar to a hippo.

[icy lagoon]

"BRO WHY AREN'T THESE GUYS POPULAR" are wr looking at the same dudes?@balmy oyster

[topaz shell]

This thing is nothing like a hippo, I mean kinda but not really

[balmy oyster]

I'm sorry but you just can't beat this.

THIS is the pinnacle of awesome animal.

[icy lagoon]

no lol

[topaz shell]

Nanotyrannus is better in my opinion

[halcyon cobalt]

behold, a hippo

[paper parcel]

Tbh you could probably build a time machine and port every permian synapsid go to the early cenozoic and not much would change

[balmy oyster]

Then what can possibly be...?

[icy lagoon]

are you ill?

[topaz shell]

I mean it will definitely change A LOT

[halcyon cobalt]

ponies

[balmy oyster]

yes because a ankylosaur with an identity crisis this is a joke don't kill me derpystego is cooler than the thing promptly named "Tyrant lizard king"

[paper parcel]

Surely theres not much difference between a gorogonopsid eating you alive and a smilodon

[halcyon cobalt]

ermm a gorgonopsid wouldn’t be able to chew on you

[balmy oyster]

you know what you have a point

[icy lagoon]

stego gonna be like "pk stego is so inaccurate! the plates are arranged incorrectly!" not every stego had the same plate arrangement

[topaz shell]

Isn’t it the other way around

[paper parcel]

Chewing is overrated anyways

[balmy oyster]

honestly until someone bothers to scan roadkill we will never get the ultimate 100% paleo accurate stenops

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m not sure actually. I’m pretty sure synapsids had less cranial kinesis than typical mammals, but sabre cats aren’t typical mammals

[icy lagoon]

if this was a dinosaur it would be the most perfect dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

well a gorgonopsid wouldnt be able to chew you because they didn't chew anything

It is very much capable of killing you in one bite though

[paper parcel]

Estemmenosuchus

[icy lagoon]

no it's not, I have a rifle

[stiff osprey]

the gorgonopsid will also be given a rifle for purposes of this fight

[paper parcel]

Nah this is prehistory times. You can only defend yourself via blunt force trauma, rocks and spears

[icy lagoon]

me make traps, me know knots and gravity

[balmy oyster]

yes I will beat it to death with the rifle's bullets through blunt force trauma that so happens to spear right through the animal at unfathomable speeds like a very fast spear but also many of them

[stiff osprey]

Now you're thinking like a real megafaunal annihilator

[icy lagoon]

wait.... guys... bullets are just tiny propelled spears

[paper parcel]

Diplodocus was the real king of dinosaurs tbh, or sauropods in general

[tender dove]

What about Argentinosaurus?

[icy lagoon]

overrated sauropod, step aside for supersaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

thinking with leverage

[stiff osprey]

Being the biggest doesn't make you king, having the best PR team makes you king

and the whole early 20th century was a Tyrannosaurus PR campaign

[paper parcel]

Tyrannosaurus gets stomped by alamosaurus and dies

[stiff osprey]

Even ignoring the fact that mega alamo is a myth, the elephant is not king of the jungle

Lions don't even live in the jungle 90% of the time yet they are still its kings because good PR is all that matters

[tender dove]

Unless you live in India

[paper parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tkdoesnothing-elephant-gator-petty-gif-11085049286155106954

[stiff osprey]

I just know that tigers's legal team is mad they got the title stolen

[paper parcel]

Imagine if they actually manage to resurrect dinos and the biggest threat isn't the raptors or megatheropods, it's the hadrosaur/sauropod herds eating all the crops or breaking into stores to steal food

I myself have had ideas of turning into a diplodocus and eating the produce section

[topaz shell]

If dinosaurs still existed ngl I’d be most worried about hadrosaurs, or really any giant herbivore

[stiff osprey]

Largely because we would've wiped out most species of large theropod by the time we reached the equivalent of 1800s tech

out of control hadrosaur populations would be a real problem

[paper parcel]

The sauropod herd trampling the local grain silo and eating it

I just imagine a diplodocus finding just a whole pile of grains and sucking it up like a vacuum cleaner before passing out from a food coma

[balmy oyster]

we need this

[coral forge]

If dinosaurs still existed then they would probably be mostly endangered because of humans, but I feel like megasauropods would be scary because of the sheer ecological damage they would cause along with the occasional trampling of property
Mid sized tyrannosaurs like nanotyrannus would be pretty bad too

[halcyon cobalt]

I imagine cullings would be frequent, probably targeting the breeding colonies

[runic rover]

Frankly it's just us labeling what is king and what is not, Tiger is bigger than lion but nobody calls a tiger "the king of the animals". We just gave Lion the name because it's effectively the ruling Apex of the savannah, it has a majestic royal-like mane and rules over most other predators of its biome.

Is "Rex" king of the dinosaurs? Yeah, aside from the fact it was the largest predator to our knowledge (again, if that was the only factor we'd be calling Tigers or Polar Bears kings of animals), the media (therefore again, human perception) made pretty sure it would be considered "king" and the fact we have kind of an oversaturated amount of experts using their entire lifespan to research it and 70+ fossils of it is very hard to beat.

[stiff osprey]

Precisely, rex has all the PR

[runic rover]

Rex's popularity is self-eating, it just sustains itself to infinity, the more it gets popular the more it gets dug, the more things get discovered and the more it becomes popular

[balmy oyster]

imagine we did the same for the Morrison

we would be getting 10 sauropods described per year from there

[runic rover]

Going to say a very frowned opinion but thank God we had "bigger than rex trend", Giga's already had a very very short and garbage career even with it to kickstart it, and Spino luckily is getting a little bit of study, and no matter what people say or hate it, JP3 kick-started Spino interest, people in the Mirabilis digging video cried mentioning "I was six, I was watching jp3 and now i'm part of its discovery".

[stiff osprey]

Rex got its title back in the end so no big deal, the only people upset are giga fans who grew up with it being known for its larger-than-rex-ness

[peak jetty]

Why waste time discovering critical anatomical details of other clades, when we could spend years figuring the ratio of left-to-right handedness in T. rex?

[runic rover]

All giga fans ever had in media and paleontological interest was "Bigger than rex". On my own it's not even about size it's about media interest and care of it. Which is not there.

[balmy oyster]

Giga’s other really interesting things is how complete it is & how it was curiously short-spined compared to its relatives

[woeful falcon]

Traded a jacked up back in favor of being a couple tons bigger than most of its cousins

[balmy oyster]

only to loose that and end up being about the same size because toothrow scaling sucks

[hallow spear]

This isn’t true though lol, all of the articulated stegos with plates have the same arrangement 💀

There is no model that follows the corrected proposed plate arrangement of Saitta et al,. 2025 when they really should

[outer tusk]

^

[icy lagoon]

hope you know when I say that im talking about their size

[ionic linden]

is that neovenator?

[undone rapids]

Yup

[ionic linden]

i am so smart

[paper parcel]

Giganotosaurus is peak af and was made to hunt dinos bigger then itself

[paper parcel]

sauropods were the true kings of the mesozoic though, especially in the jurassic

Average jurassic ecosystem

[ionic linden]

"Oops! all sauropods!" - the jurassic for no reason

[paper parcel]

they need to add them to the game fr

[ionic linden]

maybe

[hallow spear]

Why would you refer to size as “arrangement” especially when trying to mimic something you’d think I’d say lmao

[runic rover]

Tbh yeah they started as prosauropods and kepth on being extremely successful from start to end of the dinosaur kingdom

[paper parcel]

They ain't called pros for nothing

[runic heart]

What’s the current standing on the huge barosaurus specimen(s)?

[runic rover]

Prosauropods when noobsauropods enter the chat

[runic rover]

BARO MENTIONED AAAA

My favorite sauropod~

[paper parcel]

Literally a giant sentient whip

[runic heart]

I like baro a lot too. Problem is that last I heard, all of its big specimens were re-attributed to supersaurus.

[outer tusk]

It's indeterminate

[runic heart]

Alrighty then

[runic heart]

Does the size change much whether its barosaurus or supersaurus?

[outer tusk]

It doesn't

[foggy sparrow]

Agreed, I'd love to play as a Sauropod

[stable sun]

Not all of them

[stable sun]

Yes it does and no the largest one isn't indeterminate it's just Super

[paper parcel]

Tbh I thought torvosaurus was a type of early tyrannosaurid but apparently its not

[stable sun]

Megalosaurid

[paper parcel]

I mean it does have a crushing bite

[stable sun]

every large theropod does

[runic rover]

Lemme guess... Prior Extinction? I told them a thousand times it makes no sense to unlock rex by playing Torvo!

[paper parcel]

nah I just thought they looked like one plus they have a specialized crushing bite

[outer tusk]

Pretty sure Torvo at the time was just a placeholder until Tarbo and Bistah were added

[paper parcel]

Torvo also had a specialized crushing bite so, very similar indeed, even similar headshape

[outer tusk]

Wouldn't it make more sense to show a close up of the skull rather than a full body

[paper parcel]

Trex skull and torvosaurus skull

Torvo also has a wideish head

[little mauve]

they are superficially similar but Torvosaurus doesn't really show specializations for a crushing bite like tyrannosaurs, apart from its large size. Otherwise it has (very large) but laterally compressed ziphodont teeth like other theropods

[undone rapids]

It didn't, its teeth are very much of the sharp knife type

Also Torvo's skull is gonna be different once elvis is described

[balmy oyster]

It won’t

This is because Elvis is crushed

[undone rapids]

SOURCE???

[balmy oyster]

Wdym “source” just look at it!!!!

[undone rapids]

Smh my head, maybe all torvos just always had crushed looking heads

[green helm]

torvo is chopped

[balmy oyster]

Evidence of megalosaurs being basal tyrannosaurs…?

[zealous ravine]

Elvis really doesn’t change things as much as people say, none of the material is new, it’s just the first time we have it from a single individual tmk

[little mauve]

still in desperate need of a new description of T. tanneri, the last one was in the 70s

[paper parcel]

Confirmed

[runic rover]

Is gunyeri still its own thing or is it all Tanneri now?

God I love Lourinha formation

[orchid lynx]

a very cool rivalry or did Deinocheirus had any chance vs an adult one?

[full lagoon]

Like anything it probably depends

[little mauve]

gurneyi is still valid, from its description: "Torvosaurus gurneyi n. sp. displays two autapomorphies among Megalosauroidea, a maxilla possessing fewer than eleven teeth and an interdental wall nearly coincidental with the lateral wall of the maxillary body. In addition, it differs from T. tanneri by a reduced number of maxillary teeth, the absence of interdental plates terminating ventrally by broad V-shaped points and falling short relative to the lateral maxillary wall, and the absence of a protuberant ridge on the anterior part of the medial shelf, posterior to the anteromedial process."

[runic heart]

Isn’t Elvis squashed

[balmy oyster]

Still its own

[severe yew]

lol, there is no rivalry, just a predator and its prey

[true juniper]

The skull on the top reminds me of the outdated giga skull

[fossil ingot]

Very likely yeah

[orchid lynx]

but those claws?

[remote mauve]

Probably a 1 in 3 chance for dieno but idk if they even interacted

[orchid lynx]

they did its a tarbo they found even bones

[remote mauve]

Huh

[orchid lynx]

tarbosaurus is related to t rex

[remote mauve]

Oh lol ik

Just because they have very different habitats

[undone rapids]

one of the more complete deinocherius specimens is thought to have been scavenged or hunted by a tarbo iirc, YDAW mentioned it

[orchid lynx]

they found remains in tarbos body

[remote mauve]

Wow! So they did probably interact

[full lagoon]

Most definitely

[remote mauve]

Did you guys hear about the Spinosaurid neck vertebrae they found in Australia? It was a while back though

[orchid lynx]

probably longer rivalry then rex and trike

[charred hearth]

if we found a marine synapsid, would that be classified as a marine mammal or something else?

[full lagoon]

As in a non-mammalian synapsid?

[charred hearth]

are there mammalian-synapsids....

[full lagoon]

All mammals are synapsids.

[charred hearth]

oh..

[full lagoon]

The extinct ones are the non-mammalian weirdos

[charred hearth]

so marine reptiles for non-mammalian?

[full lagoon]

Not necessarily either. It would probably be classified based on whatever order/family it came from like whales

[wind prairie]

I really wish non mammalian synapsids turned into weird not-pinnipeds

[charred hearth]

do you believe any group of extinct marine reptiles would be able to survive in todays ocean? ( if we ignore human activity like hunting and fishing, and draining the ocean of all resources and fish and etc )

[full lagoon]

Turtles exist so yeah

[charred hearth]

i changed it 😒

[full lagoon]

In that context though the speculative blubber would be really important I'd imagine

[charred hearth]

like, what prey would a tylosaurus / mosasaurus be preying on it in modern day? seals. sharks, dolphins?

[full lagoon]

Sharks and turtles most likely

[charred hearth]

would baleen whales be on the menu or rarely / certain months due to baleen whales preferring colder waters?

[full lagoon]

I'm not sure if they took on aquatic prey that large but possibly?

[charred hearth]

i guess larger game hunters would be like, pliosaurs?

[full lagoon]

Even still they usually ate things a bit smaller than themselves

[charred hearth]

is this thread true and should i stop supporting colossal? https://x.com/NatSciChannel/status/2029256888374968706

EDGE Central (@NatSciChannel)

I think the most obvious way to tell that Colossal is a scam, is that they aren't really doing anything. Lemme explain.

X · Mar 4, 2026, 6:05 PM

[full lagoon]

I'm not really a fan of them and it seems they are just making genetically modified creatures for rich people. At the very least they have very non-revolutionary conservation efforts.

[compact leaf]

it basically ignores everything good that they have done to focus on “they aren’t fully funding pleistocene park”

[charred hearth]

this section right?

[compact leaf]

no mention of their ongoing work with chytrid or the vaccines with baby elephants, they are absolutely not perfect but it’s a massive conglomeration of scientists being employed that does fund conservation of modern species

[full lagoon]

All I'll say is it's not black or white

But I do think it will be difficult for them to actually change the climate for the better for several reasons including the mentioned short-term profit motives of some of the people on top

I honestly understand the criticism, but I'm not surprised that it's mostly just talk atp.

[full lagoon]

But no, true change like EDGE is hoping for is definitely going to be difficult and may not even happen

Partially due to Collosal itself but also because of our high society's general lack of interest in anything other than making money in the present.

[still prairie]

A lot of people kinda just latched on to that Dire wolf thing and just will not let go about it.

[stark spade]

Colossals are just misleading liars

[full lagoon]

Pretty sure they did something else paid for by the same guy so 🤷

[still prairie]

Yeah atp its like the major reason why there's that whole controversy

[paper parcel]

Is this a accurate depiction of anurognathus?

[boreal gorge]

so is the spino skull fake new nerds

[small geyser]

Mirabilis? Nope.

[frail robin]

No? Why did you think it was?

[frail robin]

That's... A potoo bird

[boreal gorge]

cuz it looks nuts and just kinda appeared also looks stunning

[frail robin]

Paleontologists have been working on it for a while and they only just announced it

[paper parcel]

Looks alot like anurognathus though

[frail robin]

That's because they fill the same niche as nocturnal insect eaters. Potoo birds have wide skulls to maximise the surface area of their mouth and big eyes to see well in the dark
Also Potoo birds are not extinct animals

[runic heart]

Ominous and imposing

[paper parcel]

Potoos have been around since the paleogene and anurognathus does have a very similar face to a potoo

[frail robin]

What point are you trying to make?

[plush fossil]

You could probably use this argument with ichthyosaurs and like, dolphins or something because they're somewhat 'similar'

[paper parcel]

Can't a man enjoy a convergent evolution moment in peace

[plush fossil]

I feel like that's different from what Ur first message was saying but alrighty

"Is this a accurate depiction of anurognathus?" Is pretty different than "doesn't the potoo bird look alot like anurognathus?" I think

[paper parcel]

Nah it's a joke on how similar they look lol

[runic heart]

Poster

[winter marsh]

sick

[paper parcel]

Wonder if they are going to show lystrosaurus

[charred hearth]

do you guys think if dinosaurs were alive today they would get the " aw its a cute mammal i need to protect it with my life " opinion or " animal abuse is okay as long as its a reptile / fish and not a cute mammals " opinion

[ashen wedge]

Probably both

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Fang's Parexus & Climatius?

[wind prairie]

ngl I was gonna reply to this with a joke that it depends on the dinosaur but honestly I can't think of any dinosaur that's objectively cute as an adult
there are a lot of repulsive looking dinosaurs, and a lot that just look fine, but none that'd be cute aside from maybe some little ornithischians and maybe some maniraptorans?

[left shard]

Paittacosaurus and shuuvia

[wind prairie]

my brother in christ
psittacosaurus may be the ugliest of them all
sometimes I see this when scrolling and my heart unironically jumps

[queen oar]

should we prioritize only the good things?

[charred hearth]

we should ankowledge the good things instead of just the negatives

[molten elbow]

Bro, I hope Alpkarakush is the secret dinosaur. Just do a quick Google search, it's seriously cool.

[tender dove]

Anything from the Jehol Biota is something I'd want in a dinosaur survival game I play, regardless of what it looks like

[compact leaf]

no but we should acknowledge the whole picture instead of making it black and white

[wind prairie]

is this ragebait

[ionic linden]

WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY BOY

[full lagoon]

Wouldn't really matter either way I think, and most likely the latter for those that aren't small or fuzzy.

[spice mortar]

I love Psitta 😭 he’s a little funny looking but that’s ok

[glossy arrow]

'Water-dwelling weirdo'
Why you gotta bully him like that 😭

[fierce quarry]

Can't wait to see Hatz full design

[balmy oyster]

What could this thing even be

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-phineas-and-ferb-pnf-dr-doofenshmirtz-perry-gif-26543370

[halcyon cobalt]

point at this aquatic FREAK and laugh

[tame yoke]

CARNIVORES REFERENCE???

[frigid delta]

a stem-tetrapod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanyka

[runic heart]

Maybe it’ll have a more accurate head and neck rather than the standard thick-necked bobblehead.

[fierce quarry]

Tbh, we don't have Hatz's skull iirc

[runic heart]

We don’t but apparently its neck is usually depicted as too short and thick. Realistically, hatz would probably have just looked more like quetz.

[fierce quarry]

Really ? I wonder if I could find paleoart that reflect that

[tender dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/megafaunarewilding/comments/1rkpilz/europe_now_darker_woods/

[stiff osprey]

We have enough of Hatz's skull to tell it was way wider than Quetz's

if you assume quetz proportions (as they did in the original description) the skull would be 10 feet long

[serene moat]

What's the size estimate for the new spinosaurus species?? How big IS it weight?

[tender dove]

It's smaller than aegypticus

[serene moat]

so like 3 tons?

[frigid delta]

about 2 to 3 tons

[outer tusk]

Likely closer to 2

[outer tusk]

Is it one of the associated material or the actual holotype because am still curious if we can truly determine if it's really "wider" when the only current reference we could use the infer from Quetz is "Q". lawsoni

[stiff osprey]

I meant wider than Q.lawsoni, northropi doesn't have a skull

[runic heart]

Concept to model translation is pretty good, but why is the jaw muscle always messed up.

[outer tusk]

Okay that's understandable mb

Between idk it doesn't apply to either one but since Lancian has restored Q. lawsoni as likely separate from Q. northorpi do you think it's reasonable that lawsoni could be its own genus

[runic heart]

So then what was the thing about Hatz neck being thinner and longer than typically depicted?

[fossil ingot]

Cause it has no Neck material
Unless we talk about possible refered material to Hatz

[stiff osprey]

Could be longer than usually depicted, thinner would be a long shot as it has to support a wide head

[runic heart]

So we do know that its head was pretty broad?

[stiff osprey]

The holotype preserves either the quadrate or the palate i'm not sure

[molten elbow]

@wind prairie nope, i really think it would be a great addition

[runic heart]

Real. I love mapusaurus.

[paper parcel]

Mini arg lol

[zealous ravine]

The issue with Mapusaurus is that, iirc, the material is from a disarticulated bonebed, so determining what belongs to which specimen is difficult

[novel trellis]

It’s kinda problematicus trying to add the filter feeding mechanic to the game

[wind prairie]

you're only saying that because it's relatively recently discovered 🥀 what does it bring that metri doesn't

[brave nova]

The biggest out of the specimens is 3t being the holotype. The others are smaller. But they are all sub adult

[serene moat]

any1 got the most recent sucho skeletal?

[serene moat]

how big is that one?, and who Is that by

[brave nova]

5.5t and it’s from sereno et al 2022

[serene moat]

Is this one not more recent and better?? (YES this is one u sent in here before)

[brave nova]

It’s basically the same size. Both are also fine to use. Dans, Hartmans and serenos are all good

[serene moat]

Where do u find the most recent skeletals, google usually has slop and old ones and rarely new ones

[brave nova]

Paleo groups

[serene moat]

Are there any randoms can join or like only specific ppl

[brave nova]

I’ll send u a link

[balmy oyster]

Mapu has remained “lowkey” because it’s a bonebed with sparse material

Giga is more popular cus it’s a singular really complete specimen that’s soon to get a new osteology + with new material from the holotype

[stiff osprey]

what new material did they even find

it was only missing like 3 or 4 skull bones, the arms and distal feet

[undone rapids]

Warpath once mentioned there's some pieces of the foot preserved and no metatarsals, dunno if that's new or not. Some people have said its Gastralia but I don't think there's a source beyond "trust me"

[balmy oyster]

Maybe it’s that

[undone rapids]

Maybe its the tip of the tail since that wasn't found orginally

[paper parcel]

I'm pretty sure leed will just swallow smaller dinos whole like a living blackhole or goliath grouper

[balmy oyster]

I hope we get more spines

[paper parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-sad-face-unhappy-not-in-the-mood-moody-gif-11981578

[undone rapids]

Maybe they should just find everything else

[balmy oyster]

That would be pretty funny & it would lead it to replace conca as the most complete

[green helm]

is the bulkness of purussaurs in this image accurate?

[balmy oyster]

Apparently only the skull has been properly described, so nobody is sure about the body

[still prairie]

Y'know if we did that we could like... Solve paleontology

[paper parcel]

Find the dna too, maybe even those funny portals from primeval

https://tenor.com/view/primeval-3-gif-2563811317200686534

[fossil ingot]

Old Leeds
Damn it sure had evolved

[green helm]

hell yeah id be riding that deino to florida

[opaque kayak]

TBF wouldn't ribs irl be way shorter since they aren't supposed to be flat

[fossil ingot]

This is Somnious Edit of Sereno's Scan
This Guy I think may issue is been like 5.5t at 11m ot smth

[green helm]

i think they kinda just show all the bones in a different way

[paper parcel]

Diplodocids are kinda peak too

[green helm]

is that another underrated group i smell

[fossil ingot]

Either that
Or You simply Scale and adapt Deino Dorsal on Puru

[opaque kayak]

btw if we decided to articulate the ribs in 3d like this I feel like the dorsal would be way too thin then

[fossil ingot]

Theres also just the Dorsal based on American Gators(which Deino shares due to skull width)

[paper parcel]

Nobody talks about the sauropods with literal sharpened spike whips made to kill

[fossil ingot]

Cause iirc don't think it even has that

That Artist added spikes to everything he made

[green helm]

so they used american gators for it as the reason why it lost its bulk, or is just the osteoderms removed

[paper parcel]

Diplodocus had spikes though

[fossil ingot]

Thats no Osteoderms cause they can mess the GDI
And Puru didn't lost its bulk
Mf is still Fat
American Gators can be Fat

[green helm]

im saying that i think i remember puru being bulkier in the picture

[fossil ingot]

Don't recall Diplo having spikes
Not do THAT extent atleast

[fossil ingot]

Nah
That Puru is 6.6t
Deinosuchus has a Proportionally Wider and Bigger Skull however it seems
Cause Wide ah head

[green helm]

wait it has a more wider head compared to puru now?

[paper parcel]

Wonder if diplodocids could cut a smaller theropod or person in half with a tail whip?

The force would have to immense with all that weight behind it, even if it doesn't break the sound barrier

[opaque kayak]

Bro proportioned like a baby aligator

Guys in theory if we made deinosuchus small as possible what happens

[full lagoon]

It's most definitely going to cause lacerations but I'm not sure about literally cutting in half

[green helm]

dont bully my poor boy let hes spine just grow a bite more

[full lagoon]

If they could break the sound barrier though, it's most likely killing humans even on indirect contact

[paper parcel]

If it did get a proper hit each spike would just keep hitting deeper and deeper. Until they come through. It's basically like a buzzsaw

[full lagoon]

There is possible evidence of adaptation of a structure like a popper at the end of a whip

So perhaps they could break the sound barrier unlike what was previously concluded

[paper parcel]

Wdym popper.

[full lagoon]

The material at the end of a whip that makes the cracking sound

In this case it would probably be keratinized material

[little mauve]

a whip makes a cracking sound because it's breaking the sound barrier

[paper parcel]

Instant death for anything not a megatheropod

[full lagoon]

Yes, but that structure heavily facilitates it

[paper parcel]

At this point I'm more surprised sauropods didn't just flick the meteorite away with their tails of death/jk

[little mauve]

sound barrier is something like 1200 km/h, no way was a sauropod's tail holding up to that. The most recent paper puts it closer to 100 km/h https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-21633-2

[green helm]

whats the size for Stupendemys

[full lagoon]

I'm not necessarily saying they could, but some recent material may support a popper like structure on the tail

and the possibility of it supporting higher speeds like that, but it's just speculation atp

[little mauve]

they modeled a popper, it's still not hitting those speeds without disintegrating the tail

[green helm]

https://tenor.com/view/naoya-zenin-choso-fight-aura-farm-not-in-the-manga-gif-15215466617984430840

[green helm]

that sauropod when seeing a carnivore

[stiff osprey]

even if it could hit those speeds against air, a tail moving at ~100km/h is probably more effective against predators than one going 1200km/h

that would hurt the sauropod at least as much as it hurt the predator

[paper parcel]

Could a trex survive a barosaurus tailslap?

[stiff osprey]

most likely yes

Being hit by the middle/anterior part of the tail is more dangerous than being slapped with the tip

[paper parcel]

Buzzsaw tail, since each spike can just deepen the same cut in one tailslap

[stiff osprey]

they're not gonna line up neatly after the other, it's not a metal saw. it would just be a bunch of parallel/semiparallel cuts

[green helm]

could make the trex go blind tho

[stiff osprey]

oh it would certainly hurt like hell, but survivable

[undone rapids]

Brachi's tail doesn't seem to be the best tail among sauropds for defence, it feels short

[green helm]

brute force instead maybe

[full lagoon]

why are we talking about a brachiosaur when this kind of tail is a hallmark among diplodocids?

[stiff osprey]

the question was Barosaurus i believe there was some misreading involved

[paper parcel]

i mean, it certainly is jurassic

[full lagoon]

Brachiosaurus screams "front leg kick" to me

[undone rapids]

Yup, too many B named sauropods

[paper parcel]

The jurassic was The time for sauropods with the highest amount of sauropod species

[charred hearth]

is this true?

[jagged trellis]

probably yes
iirc there is debate whether the prez bois are a different species or a sub species of ze only other horse
wild regardless though

[paper parcel]

too many A named sauropods

Argentinosaurus, apatosaurus, ampelosaurus, and amargasaurus

[thorn grove]

I suspect there may simply be a large number of named Sauropod genera

[runic heart]

Astrodon, amphicoelias

[balmy oyster]

One is horrid and the other is an apatosaur thing

[thorn grove]

probably the worst sauropod recon ive ever seen, Yongjinglong

[charred hearth]

Amygdalodon, Arkansas

https://x.com/tzkhoidraws/status/2029656968324067792

Nguyenkhoi Tran (comms open) (@tzkhoidraws)

Living trilobites have been discovered in the sediments of the Philippines trench, in a coelacanth-type miracle of the 21st century. The waves of time have carved them into a worm-like form no more than 0.5mm long, lying almost motionless in the these cold, dark sediments.

X · Mar 5, 2026, 8:35 PM

[full lagoon]

???

There's no way bro

That's a really sucky thing to fabricate

[stiff osprey]

we are a whole month away from april

[marble canyon]

i checked the guy out this is fake, their bio says speculative evolution

[charred hearth]

oh its fake? 🙁

[full lagoon]

It would definitely be making noise if it were real

[plush fossil]

awh, i thought it was real : (
cool concept and art tho

[runic heart]

I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are deepwater relatives of trilobites still alive.

[icy lagoon]

omg its the rest of zhuchengtitan

[winter marsh]

the guy prob had his child do this for fun

[lucid gyro]

honrstly would make sense based on how mongols treat and well how they always treated their horses

[outer tusk]

Love it when a recon can look good you actually understand the anatomy or add a bit more tissue

[amber grail]

Why would it not be? There is wild horses in america (and that one video seems to come from Alberta Wild Horses Society if i'm correct) , and yes, Bear indeed chase/feed on wild horses. It's a predator and they are preys.

"only true wild horses not extinct live in Mongolia" ? Two types of responses i guess:
Przewalski's horse is indeed the only "true wild" "breed" of horses still living nowadays, yes. A little point to make it clear tho: They indeed LIVE in mongolia but =NO they are not the "mongolian horses". The mongolian horses are the breed used for riding NOT the Przewalski's horse. So yes nowadays the only original wild horses are Przewalski's horse. (this has nothing to do with how mongolia treat their horses.)

Now there is also wild horses around the world, and especially in the US, Mustang being the most well known : tho those are (to make it short) abandonned horses that are back to the wild. Yet nowaday those "feral horses" are indeed living in the wild, breeding in the wild, and can indeed be chased by bears, wolves and all that. (other places have also a few "rewildered" equines but i took the mustang as an example as it's by far the most known of them all ;))

[charred hearth]

so do they count as invasive or no because they fill a lost niche extinct horses once hand in the ecosystem?

[rancid dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o19zT5FvQGA

[misty scarab]

Paleo-art is so awesome

[paper parcel]

walking with dinosaurs is the masterpiece of paleo films

https://tenor.com/view/sauropod-allosaurus-running-jumping-animal-gif-17282623

[compact leaf]

they do generally count as invasive yes

[gleaming talon]

All i know is that this is the best theropod to ever live
The true mega duck
Pls let this be real

If any extinct animal turns out to be alive then it better be anomalcarus because that would be funny

[charred hearth]

do they count as a naturalized animal like dingos?

[stiff osprey]

it's been thousands of years since horses were native to north america and they were only reintroduced like 300 years ago, i believe dingos have been in australia for wayyy longer than that

yup, dingoes got there over 3.5 thousand years ago

[runic heart]

How close could an allosaur get to doing this?

[compact leaf]

yeah they’re not nativized enough basically anywhere to not cause some serious damage to local ecosystems

[charred hearth]

apparently they count as naturalized animals to Assateague Island but not north america, interesting

[stiff osprey]

the allosaur in this shot is implied to be very small, it should be capable of leaping like that

holding itself up on prey with its arms... probably not, but it only does it for one second before falling off anyway, so it's fine

[paper parcel]

https://youtu.be/GXxxeMYYmuw?t=81

Don't ban me for the name alderon

[runic heart]

Is covered vs exposed teeth a debate for pterosaurs?

[frail jolt]

i think some of them would be exposed but others wouldnt. like dimorphodon should, but quetz shouldnt yk?

[light osprey]

We have these they’re called swans

[stiff osprey]

The debate is not if they had exposed teeth but which ones did and which didn't. No one has ever seriously argued for lips in this thing

an anurognathid is easily capable of having lips tho

[runic heart]

I suppose that makes sense

[paper parcel]

Accurate depiction of Gigantspinosaurus?

[tough parcel]

I don't think Quetz has teeth in the first place, so you're safe

[full lagoon]

Oh cool

[serene moat]

ik it's literally just footprints, but has there been any guess of how big Garbina could possibly be? The western Australian stegosaur

[queen oar]

for tooth'd pterosaurs, yeah

for toothless pterosaurs, nah

[ancient crystal]

Perhaps we just haven’t found them yet

[queen oar]

@ancient crystal Do you happen to be a Toothed Quetz?

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-gif-9657675

[stiff osprey]

Assuming it's a stegosaur it would be the largest one ever found, though iirc there is some proposal that the one footprint that points to immense size may be ornithopod instead (as there are no forelimb tracks with it)

[little mauve]

Venetoraptor and other lagerpetids have beaks so they're very likely basal to pterosaurs

[stiff osprey]

The few stegosaurs we have complete legs from have very small feet so as an ornithopod it'd be more normal

[ancient crystal]

Wait till you hear about the zebra in California

[charred hearth]

Zebras are just boring quagga's

[paper parcel]

Zebras and horses are just boring hadrosaurs

[opaque quail]

Imagining lips on this guy is very uncomfrotable. Constantly getting those lip wounds from these teeth

Maybe imagination should lose this time

[opaque quail]

I don't know if i should be happy for seeing this or upset

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Ray's Olorotitan?

[gleaming talon]

No to sure but it gets five magpie geese out of four mute swans

[runic rover]

🎶 and a paaatriidge in a pear treee 🎶

[spiral ginkgo]

Is that a moa nalo ?

[gleaming talon]

No u can’t remember the name

[coral forge]

I've never seen a documentary be so good but so bad at the same time

[tender dove]

I'm skeptical it'll be good because the last few documentaries focusing on dinosaurs this decade have not been as good

Mid is fine though, and if it shows dinosaurs and pterosaurs etc. that have never received screen time or have not had screen time before in any dinosaur documentary, that's good enough

[coral forge]

some of the models are questionable and there are a few teleporting, time travelling animals, but other than that it's pretty good so far

also the T. rex being able to sprint with 4 strides per second and not break its legs

[paper parcel]

Feesh👍

[full lagoon]

Peak

[frosty anvil]

I'm not John Kaiwhekea, is that what the animal is supposed to look like now?
EDIT: Looks like it is, awesome!

[full lagoon]

Unfortunately lots of players are complaining because they don't understand or care that that's what it actually looked like.

[noble dune]

Oh I thought the big toothed sub was based off of abyssosaurus

[frosty anvil]

Its good that's what it actually looks like, I had heard issues in the past, people wanting it to look proper since Kai is such a unique looking animal... but I didn't really remember a whole lot. Its good that they delivered on accuracy.

[hushed fossil]

@bright veldt IT'S COME FULL CIRCLE HAHAHHAHAHA WE WONNNNNN

[bright veldt]

THEY FIXED HIM

[hushed fossil]

THEY SAID "NAH WE CAN FIX HIM" AND THEY SUCEEDED

[ionic linden]

THEY REALLY GAVE TWIN A WHOLE MAKEOVER, ATE AND LEFT NO CRUUMMBBSS!!!

[arctic crane]

Carnian pluvial event mentioned!

[magic relic]

i think they oversized this utah

or maybe a simple elder utah

[bright dome]

what is Obama doing beside those dino? 😭

[magic relic]

LOL

[magic relic]

the left utah maybe a juvenile

[lofty furnace]

Fih
Big fih
Thin fih

[ionic linden]

we luh fih

[paper parcel]

Thats so sad

why did diplodocids become so rare in the cretaceous?

[foggy crypt]

Bro's tail took most of his neck bones , but did he genuinely have a neck like that?

[ionic linden]

long boy

[tough parcel]

I'm sobbing

[full lagoon]

Never seen anyone portray anything like this before, it's a bit crazy but honestly pretty cool imo

[scenic flame]

-# musth...

[full lagoon]

Maybe refrain from showing too much from the show though because I don't really want to be spoiled

[thorn grove]

omg they actually put edmusthosaurus in an actual documentary

[hazy basalt]

Quetz bros…we beat Rex in prehistoric planet….how are we jobbing to Ed…

[thorn grove]

not to defend this too much but tbf a 5 ton animal probably could flatten a 250 kg animal with hollow bones

[sullen cairn]

this is a safe space to admit this clears any other paleodoc ever and its not even close

[arctic crane]

Rugby tackling the quetz is fine but the animation of it slamming it into the ground is silly. Wish the ed just stopped in it or something

[winter marsh]

bro got steamrolled damn

[runic heart]

I was enjoying this show, but have NOT gotten this far yet…

[rancid arch]

Cant wait to watch this tonight on netflix

[runic heart]

Edmontosaurus getting the best Gifs

[winter marsh]

Ive watched up to episode 2 and ts lowkey peak. Only sad part is that they dont really us a name for both the pterosaurs that appeared and the crocodiles arent actually any prehistoric species, theyre just regular ones filmed and put into there (which is fine, but I wished it was something like machimosaurus or smilosuchus appearing in some scenes)

[charred hearth]

rex is happy its not him for once

would this count as paleontology news? https://x.com/Dexerto/status/2029933908763062553

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

Two tiny animals believed extinct for 6,000 years have been rediscovered in a remote forest

The Pygmy Long-Fingered Possum and the Ring-Tailed Glider were previously known only from fossils

X · Mar 6, 2026, 2:55 PM

seeing how kai and thal got their glowups, whos now the 3 most inaccurate playables in game?

[winter marsh]

metri, amarg and meg I think, might be wrong tho

[charred hearth]

amarga over stego...

[winter marsh]

I mean, stego is fairly accurate tbh. I picked amarg because uhhh idk

[charred hearth]

really? i thought PoT stego was based off a juvie / older depiction

[winter marsh]

it is a slightly older depiction but it isnt smth totally off the script unlike metri, which is basically the name stamped onto a basic theropod template

[tough parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312101363194531880/1479577049197707397/IMG_6831.gif?ex=69ac8b01&is=69ab3981&hm=9dc60e8bf23e1f7aa1f5e7c2198af9b715255f7c72522081b6130751f1e8f13a&

[charred hearth]

i feel like quetz should've had time to react idk tho

[winter marsh]

I mean, yeah it would. Idk if it would have time to take off tho

[dim rune]

the true power of edmontosaurus

[charred hearth]

edmusthosaurus*

[fierce quarry]

Quick question, a lot of documentaries portray edmonto (WWD 2025, The Dinosaurs and iirc PP) running on four legs instead of two, is that more accurate ?

[winter marsh]

yesnt is the short answer

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-gif-871404664470844784

[fierce quarry]

Their front legs would be able to withstand quad running/galloping ?

[winter marsh]

fast running (or galloping) probably not, but a fast trot/walk yeah

[fierce quarry]

Still, awesome to see Edmonto being anything more than fodder x)

[ancient crystal]

Its alright, I still don't think it ever was portrayed as "fodder" often enough to warrant any special appreciation for it not being treated as such

[stiff osprey]

It probably would move bipedally if it had to run at full speed, but it can be decently fast on all fours too and quadrupedal movement is more stable and easier to turn

[fierce quarry]

True, I should've said Hadrosaurs in general

[coral forge]

I find it even funnier how this was almost immediately followed by arguably the best fight in any paleo documentary

[charred hearth]

would there be any difference in locomotion between lambeosaurines and Saurolophinae?

[fierce quarry]

Good to know, thank you !

[coral forge]

Lambeosaurines could fly and go super saiyan because theyre awesome
Saurolophines were incapable of basic locomotion because they're jobless bums
I would know because I'm a lambeosaurine

[charred hearth]

and yet get outsized only by saurolophines

[balmy oyster]

Didn’t even flinch 💔

[charred hearth]

the saddest thing is that he got beat up in the video meaning he did all that for nothing

edmontosaurus couldnt relate though

[arctic crane]

The first episode of the dinosaurs is pretty solid. Probably the best Triassic segments in any paleodoc. Even if the whole "ancient reptiles" thing is kinda silly

[winter marsh]

the whole premise of ''dinosaur evolves to become rulers of earth'' is silly. The creatures and the designs are fine tho. I like the tanystropheus, even if it looks a little bit monstrous

[tulip dove]

https://youtu.be/Y2_h7OrsurU?si=PEyQLrfnVrCV5X2o 💔

[balmy oyster]

The edMUSTHosaurus….

[fierce quarry]

huh

[winter marsh]

he wildin

[charred hearth]

they changed the thumbnail :/

[tulip dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429864094265114675/1479499488413356215/VID-1771891399118.mp4?ex=69ac42c5&is=69aaf145&hm=6d90b514db5cb3933bb58fc09db0b9a72b9ef326c21ce2099a2372e718e895bd&

[balmy oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/1479571012243685446/SpeedEdmusthosaur.gif

[arctic crane]

The designs over all are hit or miss. Some look great others not so much. Tany, allo, and stego all look bad to me. But that Triassic peudosucheian looked solid besides the extra claws

[true juniper]

W speed

[fierce quarry]

I'm all for Hadrosaurs...but that just over the top

[true juniper]

Well weren't azhdarchids really lightly built

[winter marsh]

I LOVE the heterodontosaurus and that they actually tried doing something different (and speculative) instead of going with the basic stuff (I mean, you cant really go basic with a tusked ornithopod but knowing them they couldve just made it a bland naked rat)

[fierce quarry]

I'm talking about the t.rex bit

[true juniper]

Ooh mb sorry

[charred hearth]

rex put its mouth near the edmonto's head, smelt it breath and died

[stiff osprey]

yeah that video is really bad

it posits that rex actually had a weak bite and was unable to kill things larger than baby dinosaurs

[winter marsh]

its jack horner all over again aint it

[runic heart]

So uh. Heterodontosaurus…

[winter marsh]

they tried something, it definetely worked. The hands look kinda wonky but otherwise I love it

[true juniper]

I love how it isn't portrayed as a perpetually irate feral angry rabies rat

[runic heart]

Squirrel

[tough parcel]

No because this actively misconstrues and falsifies data to be in their favor

[stiff osprey]

To be fair so did mr files

[charred hearth]

execution needed immediately

[tough parcel]

I mean...misconstrue, yes...Idk about falsify........

[charred hearth]

maiasaurus did not die for him to be her main repersentation, save her!!!!

[tough parcel]

Maiasaura...*

[winter marsh]

Maiasaurthem

[charred hearth]

i support them

[true juniper]

"guys I just went to egg mountain and found a bunch of JUVENILE dinosaurs!!1!"

[halcyon cobalt]

Holy cow that is egregious

[halcyon cobalt]

SHE WAS ONLY 19

[ionic linden]

edmontoeats you because you annoyin die - edmont during this scene, probably

[paper parcel]

Edmonto eats me? Peak

[charred hearth]

oh...

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-dog-scared-white-dog-shivering-dog-shivering-white-dog-white-dog-gif-2684151111772069591

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/heatonic_/status/2029920681517859131

heat (@heatonic_)

we need godceratosaurus now

X · Mar 6, 2026, 2:02 PM

[winter marsh]

adminceratosaurus

[charred hearth]

Hackerceratosaurus

[coral forge]

triceratops

[green helm]

But can he beat deinosuchus tho?

[quaint canopy]

this was so peak

[runic rover]

is THAT the reason nobody ever makes Maiasaura in games/medias??

[charred hearth]

isle has maia, and theres a pot mod being made for maia

[runic rover]

EH. Isle has Dondi

and mods would require me to play in most servers with no quality filter and i REALLY treasure my immersion experience

[charred hearth]

jwe has maia...

[plush fossil]

Mesozoico my peakest niche Roblox dinosaur game has Maia...it's a fun game

[outer tusk]

what is "niche" about it lmao

[charred hearth]

game has 6.6M+ visits 😭

[plush fossil]

I don't see anyone talk about it it's niche to me

And I love my little niche communities

[outer tusk]

just because people don't talk about something doesn't make it niche

[rancid arch]

Define niche

[outer tusk]

niche as in it's very obscure like a forgetten tv show only less than say 10% of people or a fandom would know about

[arctic crane]

Spinosaurus using a fish to hunt sharks is interesting. It clearly takes inspiration from herons using bait to hunt fish, it's neat speculation but idk how I feel about it

[rancid arch]

Obscure with a obscure community and fanbase
6 million visits on roblox seems like alot bur then you realized there are games with 20 players that got 2 times that

[stiff osprey]

I think any grounded strategy that gives the slow-walking slow-swimming fisher a way to actually catch fish is a valid one tbh

[rancid arch]

Feel like its a bit overdone, the only behavior i can see that in is maybe dromeosaurids or troodontids using bait or smth for smaller creatures, traps for bugs
And the pyro raptors using fire to disrupt stuff

[outer tusk]

again it's not niche

[rancid arch]

Small group of people around it, its niche

[plush fossil]

I was making a joke

[charred hearth]

can someone make this a gif https://x.com/Doshaguma3000HQ/status/2030040442444693681

7001 doshagumas (@Doshaguma3000HQ)

Last thing i want to say about this documentary is that this scene had me dying bru

Came in like someone summoned him

▶ Play video

X · Mar 6, 2026, 9:58 PM

[winter marsh]

bro sensed some bullshi and had to see it

[lucid gyro]

why is he completely still it’s throwing me off

[rich vessel]

Oh it’s a video I didn’t realize that

[arctic crane]

Just finished the last episode. Solid doc over all. I have my problem with some of it. The animations were pretty good most of the designs were good with a few exceptions. 7/10

That first episode with all the Triassic animals is a highlight. I think this one will be a lot of younger kids walking with dinosaurs and get them into paleontology

[rancid arch]

Big chance dinosaurs could have also had a gay percentage like swans and other species Alive today
Came here to drop this

[stiff osprey]

It's true

[rancid arch]

Geckos, whiptail lizards as examples for the lizards
The black swans for a major example with like 40% of them doing it pretty sure
Infact whiptails are mainly 100% pretty sure all of them are female, the new mexican variants

[charred hearth]

do whiptails really count, their all female 😭

i have a question, are they all the same specimen / indiviual seeing how their just cloning themselves over and over again with almost little to none genetic diversity?

[rancid arch]

Prob would happen most with raptor groups there being multiple individuals that keep switching and stuff

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/TenontosaurusT/status/2030019010444571015/photo/1

🌸Cassandra🌸🏳️‍⚧️🦕🖌️ (@TenontosaurusT)

X · Mar 6, 2026, 8:33 PM

[little mauve]

Common in reptiles, can produce parthenogenic offspring in some cases. Whiptail lizards which were previously mentioned are the product of hybridization

[deft sigil]

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[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Zeke_Darwin/status/2029886234160517518

Zeke Darwin (@Zeke_Darwin)

People forget those massive Pangaean deserts were impassable boundaries for many early tetrapods.

Most couldn’t yet handle the extreme aridity, so the dry inland interior isolated some populations across the supercontinent.

Recent finds, like this dicynodont skull from China,

X · Mar 6, 2026, 11:46 AM

[lofty furnace]

Could Psittacpsaurus's tail quills be retactable like a porcupine hair? Like, being most of the time pointed more towards the tip of the tail and when they are trying to look bigger It would go up

[little mauve]

No, the quills on a porcupine move due to contractions of mammalian plioerector muscles in the skin/hair follicle that wouldn't be present in psittacosaurus

[lofty furnace]

Damn

[little mauve]

It could still move its tail and do different displays presumably

[stiff osprey]

Also potentially could have other kinds of muscle present, similar to the feather movement of birds

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/venuslovesrats/status/2029898310828576871/photo/1 what dinosaur group would fall into which?

venus (@venuslovesrats)

tag urself im the baby songbirds

X · Mar 6, 2026, 12:34 PM

im gonna assume almost all therapods would've been precocial?

[little mauve]

Altriciality is only well supported in hadrosaurs

[charred hearth]

im gonna assume almost all sauropods all precocial?

[little mauve]

And not all hadrosaurs either, hypacrosaurus seems to be more precocial than maiasaura

[little mauve]

Yes all sauropods

[charred hearth]

how about stegosaurids?

[ashen wedge]

What did I miss?

[little mauve]

Altriciality is only well supported in some hadrosaurs

[fossil ingot]

I will never forget Edmonto on hurting my goat Aram