paleontology

[charred hearth]

can someone explain to me what this means?

[outer tusk]

uhhhh noyes

[tribal ridge]

Leaellynasaura 😍😍😍😍

[unborn spade]

Hey,can anyone hook me up with some good skeletal reconstructions of Changyuraptor from the side

[queen oar]

Maybe, but because it's Coolio, No.

[charred hearth]

what did coolio do?

[charred hearth]

what did coolio do?

[queen oar]

I just don't like him. Lol

[wooden bluff]

Call me the Random stealer.

I hope not to dissapoint his view on the alberto

[paper parcel]

I love G R O K(cotylorhynchus)

[outer tusk]

nice

[runic rover]

Super cool!

[charred hearth]

would meg be this length?

[craggy trench]

no
meg doesnt come close to blue whale lengths

[charred hearth]

where it would reach too? ( on the blue whale )

[stiff osprey]

24/33 times the blue whale

[charred hearth]

can you put a red line on the blue whale to show that legnth...

[ancient crystal]

Really rough guesstimate, but you see that wave breaking just over the midline towards where the tail starts? I'd say there maybe

But I'm famously bad with distances so don't take my word for it

[random zealot]

Hello people of paleontology 👋

Does anyone have a size comparison of PoT Thal vs IRL Thal ❔️

[ashen nacelle]

not really but i did find this image, hope it help find the answer!

[stiff osprey]

I know POT thal is like at least 8 meters in wingspan whilst the real one is 4-4.6 meters

[paper parcel]

pot thal will be trex sized in tlc and able to swallow dinos whole trust

[random zealot]

Don't wanna start a whole convo in here but I thought PoT was going for more realistic looking models

[random zealot]

Thanks!

[native kindle]

pot thal is directly 100% upsized from whatever reference was used

[ancient crystal]

Wisest person ever to step foot in here

[ashen nacelle]

Dont ever get started of the megalania lol

[winged cedar]

is KTO deinosuchus a bit oversized compared to the largest deinosuchus fossils (like their guessed skeletons)? or is it just in range (of any deinosuchus species)?

[ashen nacelle]

yep, its around 47.5 feet long

[winter marsh]

[ashen nacelle]

the largest is Deinosuchus hatcheri at around 39 feet long

[craggy trench]

KTO deinon is based on older recons
Can’t much blame em for the newer estimates coming out

Though it is confirmed to be getting a tlc to bring it in line with modern estimates at some point

[ancient crystal]

Speaking of KTO, someone please explain the modding mole thing

[craggy trench]

The mole what

[ashen nacelle]

image please

[ancient crystal]

Clearly I'm not the only one who doesn't understand lol

[ashen nacelle]

Psittacosaurus?

[vocal rover]

@dim bluff

[winter marsh]

this chat is more confused than a blind man in the middle of a shootout

[ashen nacelle]

Also the guy talking about thal, here

[craggy trench]

Very bad image as it’s the first one I found but
In game Thal is huge

[ashen nacelle]

used the size chart in the pinned

but it was last updated in 2023

and if this size chart is right, the leedsichthys will be the biggest marine in the game

[fossil ingot]

Largest deino is 9.7m/31.8-32ft
Arguably 9.2m/30.2ft

[fossil ingot]

Its Getting a TLC with updated Proportions and slightly smaller
But still bigger than Sarco by little

[craggy trench]

yeah

[plush fossil]

this thal is so pretty

[ancient crystal]

Whose that guy who does like, the gross paleoart where the dinosaurs are always covered in like tumorous fleshy protrusions

[craggy trench]

brian engh ?

[ancient crystal]

Yes, has he ever done a thalassodromeus?

[craggy trench]

uhh
dont think so

[paper parcel]

SCP 610 ahhhh dinosaurs

[opaque kayak]

leed is quite oversized here but the rest looks ok

[ancient crystal]

Weird spineless freak

[ashen wedge]

Where is the spine? Is this Jellywig’s ancestor?

[ancient crystal]

They had a cartilaginous spine

[ashen wedge]

Shhh…. Let me have my joke…..

[ancient crystal]

Jokes are illegal

[ashen wedge]

Mhm

[ancient crystal]

Look what I found on another server

[thorn grove]

bro got bit in the throat and apparently just shrugged it off

[ancient crystal]

Whoever drew this (I assume a child) shows the rex biting literally all the vital places to take down prey.

It then was somehow (assumedly) stabbed by the edmontosaurus's bill and went down just like that where it is now being hauled off by the head.

[thorn grove]

paleo accurate edmonto

[shrewd quiver]

speaking of which why is every source i can find telling me edmont was like 7 tons isnt it like 15 or something

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus averaged 5-6 tons for fully grown individuals

[ancient crystal]

The wonderful world of averages (that the average paleotuber doesn't want you to know about)

[shrewd quiver]

so it was on some crocodile type of stuff

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-alastor-maybe-gif-15472961

[paper parcel]

ah yes, as we all know, edmontosaurus was inherently immune to sentient hydraulic presses with teeth.

[ancient crystal]

Of course

Remember ecology doesn't exist in the paleoworld, Jack Horner told me so in a dream

[paper parcel]

Edmontosaurus could destroy argentinosaurus in a 1v1 bro(source: path of titans), Tbh it would be funny seeing a trex getting stomped by a sauropod even if its not paleoaccurate.

One stomp and the trex is no more(or tail slap)

[outer tusk]

Ngl I always thought it was the alamosaurus tripping on the t.rex

[plush fossil]

in that case both of them would probably be cooked

[shrewd quiver]

what if alamosaurus and t rex had a symbiotic relationship where rex raised alamosaurus children and the alamosaurus gave tyrannosaurus shade so it wouldnt get skin cancer

[ancient crystal]

I don't think an alamosaurus could really get its legs off the ground high enough to "stomp" a tyrannosaurus

[thorn grove]

I mean if it knocked it over somehow and then just trampled it ig

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, it does kind of look like that's what's happening.

The tyrannosaurus has accepted it, the alamo is still in denial

[outer tusk]

so real

[ancient crystal]

Teef

[shrewd quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/popcraye-gal-gadot-gal-gadot-laugh-death-on-the-nile-gif-15746899821572620794

get it? like de nile

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-i-dont-get-it-understand-dont-understand-gif-6108450

[paper parcel]

And thus the first titanosaurus was born.

[shrewd quiver]

wait if edmont's average weight was only like 6 tons was shat also smaller

[thorn grove]

not by nearly as much no

[stiff osprey]

Shant "on average" is 10-12 tonnes but one of the populations has individuals bigger than the other for whatever reason

[thorn grove]

I found out it's a later deposition, it's like 30 meters above the other

[shrewd quiver]

nerfing my boy edmont for no reason 💔

[thorn grove]

he never should have been 'buffed' in the first place ngl

[charred hearth]

paleo fans love say nerfing

[balmy oyster]

Edmont was only “buffed” because 2 abnormally large specimens were overglazed to the point of monster AvA

[ancient crystal]

Paleofans when their favorite dead lizard was smaller than someone else's favorite dead lizard

[winged cedar]

o dam, so if its size gets nerfed due to accuracy it'd be like 2/3rds its current size

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus was understood to be a medium-large Hadrosaur, two specimens were found that people took as indication that it's adult size had been vastly underestimated, and then more detailed work was done on multiple bonebeds that thoroughly demonstrated it was in fact a medium-large Hadrosaur

and then everyone ignored it

[ancient crystal]

Spinosaurus has nothing on the double-crested cormorant

[craggy trench]

Spinosaurus was a double-crested cormorant

we got that new Embrago jail spino with the tall crest

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-truth-hurts-truth-hurts-the-truth-truth-reality-gif-17959482

[sullen cairn]

charming how people read one abstract saying some 8-9m specimens were immature and a 15m specimen was mature and it somehow never occurred to them that perhaps the 10-11m specimens were also mature

[tough parcel]

Edmusthosaurus

[thorn grove]

we will extrapolate based on limited information to acquire the conclusion we desire

new information to the contrary will be discarded

[winged cedar]

kk

[thorn grove]

Also I don't think we should really be surprised that Edmonto and Shant have different size ranges, despite being related they have very different cranial morphology, I doubt their diets would have been very similar so they were under very different ecological pressures to begin with

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia victims

[ancient crystal]

Edmontosaurus had to be smaller and more agile to more effectively pursue its primary prey source...

...

Infernodrakon

[thorn grove]

not that you're being very serious to begin with but

[ancient crystal]

Is he ever serious?

[fluid inlet]

Na wed win, speed kills in fights.

[stiff osprey]

Magnapaulia mogs Shantungosaurus with its majestic crest and thick tail, making it give up the fight

[ancient crystal]

What about the mighty battle cattle that slaps silly tyrannosaurus in fights?

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/muhammad-ali-boxing-sports-gif-17367153

[thorn grove]

it does win the fashion contest

[fluid inlet]

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee Shantungosaurus can’t hit what it cannot see !!!

[ancient crystal]

You say that and tomorrow a paper will drop with evidence that the crest was actually the saddest, most bland color imaginable

[plush fossil]

The crest was a bit of cardboard attached to the skull actually

[winged cedar]

what's the discussion surrounding downsizing it from 9.7 to 9.2?

[craggy trench]

the crest displayed ads for league of legends

[fluid inlet]

If being the biggest made you the best , elephant would be king - Usyk. 2025z

[stiff osprey]

9.7m is based on a fragmentary skull that was dunked in plaster and therefore hard to tell how big it was originally

9.2m is a nearly complete (minus tail) skeleton

[thorn grove]

to add onto this since I want to talk about it

E. annectens seems to have been adapted for primarily grazing: it has a longer and wider snout than E. regalis which would presumably help with reaching the ground in a comfortable posture and pulling up more vegetation at a time, and a paper found that what I think was a cf. E. annectens specimen had primarily fed on horsetails based on the wear patterns on its teeth

Shant hasn't really had in depth study done in the same way so this is kind of my personal speculation but it has a significantly more robust dentary than most other Hadrosaurs and having looked over the material a bit it seems to have some semi-convergences with Ceratopsids towards having a stronger bite force (albeit still pretty far off that extreme), namely an expanded coronoid process and a more pronounced ridge along its dentary. These make me think it may have been adapting to be a high browser that fed on tougher vegetation (something kind of like a Hadrosaur version of Camarasaurus) which would help explain the size, since that would enable to browse higher up

[ancient crystal]

As unprofessional as it may sound, leopard seals do strike me as deeply evil creatures

[charred hearth]

maybeeeeeeeee i agree

[thorn grove]

they play like naughty cats

[charred hearth]

i feel like marine reptiles that would be like whales would be large itchyosaurs with the smaller ones being like dolphins

[thorn grove]

not to pull out 'mammalian cunning,' but it seems a bit presumptuous to imagine ancient marine reptiles as similar in behavior to modern marine mammals simply because they look similar

[charred hearth]

i meant in the way about how whales are protrayed as large beautys of the sea

[thorn grove]

oh yea

idk if they would really be gentle giants in the same way tho lol

[ancient crystal]

They lack joy and whimsy

[charred hearth]

their very joyous

[tough parcel]

There is a significant difference in the amount of joy and whimsy between leopard seals and seals

[thorn grove]

They do actually look terrifying in every context

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kroshik-kroshik-the-seal-balkin-seal-sealtwt-seal-gif-9408779733224869333

[thorn grove]

i am scared for my life right now just watching that

[tough parcel]

Kroshik’s rampage that day left half the countryside dead and 2/3rds completely uninhabitable

[thorn grove]

black eyes like a doll's eyes

[charred hearth]

i would say lepoard seals bring certain type of joy and whismy that regular seals dont have

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kroshik-seal-pool-seal-attack-gif-14056754394300808175

[ancient crystal]

The sinister kind

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/lifeless-eyes-black-eyes-like-a-dolls-eyes-dark-eyes-robert-shaw-gif-17330027

[plush fossil]

The evil and nefarious leopard seal

[stiff osprey]

That one leopard seal that adopted a diver and tried to teach him to eat:

[charred hearth]

what vibes would you say plesiosaurs give off?

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/discussingbones/status/2020681708866253305?s=46

megalosauria >>> tyrannosauria

DiscussingBones (@DiscussingBones)

Every theropod that has ever existed has been reclassified as synonymous with megalosaurus according to recent study.

This includes every living bird species.

(Source: ResearchGate)

X · Feb 9, 2026, 2:10 AM

[balmy oyster]

David peters is that you

[charred hearth]

kentucky fried megalosaur

[thorn grove]

angry

if I had to spend my entire life being 2/3rds neck I would be angry too

[ancient crystal]

Also, this line is so funny to me, because yeah, it works in the context of GWS but I'm pretty sure they were talking about sharks in general and well this is what other shark eyes look like

[thorn grove]

I think he says it was tiger sharks during the story (at least the first one that shows up)

[ancient crystal]

And well, tigers certainly don't have black lifeless eyes.

[charred hearth]

which semi or fully aquatic animal in PoT would you feel safest to swim with?

[fluid inlet]

Such a weird build , what’s the purpose to be built like this

[thorn grove]

doesn't it have sensory and hydrodynamic benefits iirc?

[charred hearth]

i thought it was for more efficent ray catching and eating

[stiff osprey]

At least in that photo it is kinda dead looking

The sandtiger looks like it's alive, but barely. It has one braincell

[fluid inlet]

Idk that’s why I’m asking the pros

[ancient crystal]

The sensory benefits are so extreme and energy expensive they die frequently after being released by fishermen

[fluid inlet]

Skill issue I suppose then

[thorn grove]

pot won't let me make the joke i wanted to literally 1984

[ancient crystal]

Thresher sharks always look so distressed.

Like buddy, calm down

[fluid inlet]

Do it bro don’t be afraid of their silly rules. We are men. We break rules. Especially quin.

[thorn grove]

no like the chat literally wouldn't send

[ionic linden]

if its officials im gonna go with the rhamph, small little guy
if i can choose modded ones too i'll go with diplo, little salamander <3

[charred hearth]

dive with sarco or dive with tylo

[stiff osprey]

technically diplo is in officials, it's a critter in riparia

but if we're counting critters I would say baurubatrachus because it's literally just a regular sized frog

[ionic linden]

i thought they were talking playables

[thorn grove]

the most powerful and terrifying of nature's creatures

[fluid inlet]

I’ll be safe with Ichthyotitan and we will break Purussaurus in half how u feel about that Randomdinos

[ancient crystal]

Use my trick from yesterday that I used to talk about a certain type of fish fin

[stiff osprey]

if you can accelerate the 10cm bone fragment that makes up ichthyotitan's material fast enough you could kill a purussaurus with it

of course it would also disassemble the ichthyo at the molecular level

[thorn grove]

eh the mood is ruined by now anyway it wouldn't hit the same

[ancient crystal]

Guys, if we all ambushed matt next time he set foot in #path-of-titans do you think we could convince him to turn this into a normal science chat?

[charred hearth]

where did the big neck hatz originate from?

[fluid inlet]

https://i.natgeofe.com/n/5f2d62ec-494a-41e0-85e5-2f589328b05e/Gabriel_Ugueto.jpg we rule the deep seas and would kick any crocodile asz that would dare even try to cross our oceans

[ancient crystal]

Someone unfamiliar with pterosaurs I imagine

[fluid inlet]

It’s called artist trying to make it look different from others. You thinking too much.

[stiff osprey]

It's a big air sac to help it float

[charred hearth]

azdarchids dont fly they levitate

[paper parcel]

Those eyes dear god, plus they have a human bodycount

[tough parcel]

Considering the same artist blew up Erythrosuchus’ reputation, I’m inclined to say they eye-balled it wrong

[fluid inlet]

When u go to bed do you ask yourself why do u close your eyes when you go to sleep Quinn?

[charred hearth]

their influence 🤩

[tough parcel]

It seems to only be their Hatz and Erythro that have massively disproportionate heads

Like I can’t even tell where either originate from because any references at the time have massively smaller heads compared to the body

[thorn grove]

maybe it's just for the funny

[charred hearth]

to think one artist is able to completely define how certain animals are depicted and seen

[paper parcel]

Ah yes, four legged giganotosaurus, my favorite.

[stiff osprey]

Tbf when Hatz was first discovered it was given like a 3m long skull but that was because it was assumed to be a scaled up quetz rather than just the head being larger

[tough parcel]

Tbf no-one else really cared enough about these animals at the time to rectify it + art quality good = science good

[charred hearth]

no one cared about hatz back then? D:

[fluid inlet]

Why is it so hard to get any proper material for big Azhdarchids , we got a bunch of different material from big specimens and species but everything is so fragmentary.

[stiff osprey]

They had glass bones and paper skin

[tough parcel]

Not rlly, all eyes were mainly on Quetz tmk

Most of its popularity seems recent

[paper parcel]

I think its because they were kinda bad at preserving lmao

[thorn grove]

also when a perception gets popularized by something that people intuitively like it's unbelievably difficult to dislodge that from public perception hence my sisyphean task of trying to correct Edmonto size

[charred hearth]

was it due to anything in particular? like, before or after it was added to PoT?

[tough parcel]

PoT probably rocketed it into the public perception but in terms of the more niche community, I’ve no clue

[paper parcel]

hatz is just the shorter muscular version of quetz, like wario to walugi and with island gigantism

[thorn grove]

Hatz was also in php

[stiff osprey]

Hatz's claim to fame was Planet Dinosaur

Unrelated but I love how the first material of Quetz to be found and named as such was a nearly complete wing. Imagine being some dude in the 1970s and finding a single wing the size of a Pteranodon

[fluid inlet]

Path of Titans definitely has influence I started seeing Tyrannotitan pop up in a lot more other places after it came out in the game.

But no path of titans wasn’t the reason hatz became popular lmao

[paper parcel]

Tyrannotitan is oversized

[charred hearth]

were they hunting baby magy's or were they just super small in planet dinosaur?

[tough parcel]

The baby Magys were even smaller

[thorn grove]

hatz was actually 100 feet tall

[stiff osprey]

They ignore the adult magys and pick up the babies

A surprisingly tame interpretation of pterosaur hunting behavior that I'm sure everyone thereafter would follow

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mater-cars-pixar-maters-tall-tales-gif-26619676

[paper parcel]

Nah shanking sword faced pterosaurs are cooler

[fluid inlet]

This picture is very confusing the way they are set up would leave me to believe we have all that material of Giga and carcha lol

[charred hearth]

would hatz even have a way of taking down the resident sauropods of hateg?

[plush fossil]

Hell

[craggy trench]

even the adult pods of the island could turn a hatz into swiss cheese

[stiff osprey]

if it got really lucky perhaps

but why go through the trouble of killing an animal that can fold you in half and which you physically cannot eat when you can go eat literally anything else

[thorn grove]

because it's awesome, bro

[fluid inlet]

Boredom perhaps

[craggy trench]

jurassic fight club energy

[fluid inlet]

I seen a honey badger try to take on a elephant , weird stuff happens in the animal kingdom.

[paper parcel]

Nah but he has bleed(path of titans logic)

[stiff osprey]

JFC is so funny I love when they say the Nanotyrannus knows not to attack an adult T.rex and then 5 minutes later it attacks an adult T.rex and gets turned into mcflurry

[thorn grove]

tbf i think honey badgers are born with cocaine instead of blood

[craggy trench]

honey badger also act that way to avoid being turned into a happy meal more often than not

a hatz has no real reason to try a adult sauropod when there is several other more viable species

[charred hearth]

could you guys see jurassic fight club being made today or no?

[fluid inlet]

Seen otters pick at alligators , these things happen. I have no doubts similar stuff could have/ would have happened when dinosaurs were around too.

[stiff osprey]

It would have to be a really

really small dinosaur

Like a baby Microraptor in a tree or something

[paper parcel]

Sadge

[charred hearth]

i feel like it just could not be made today due to how much the climate around dinosaurs has changed since the late 2000s

[paper parcel]

It would be made to advertise a dino game

[craggy trench]

yeah a lot of that doc narration says one thing and then the animation goes and says the exact opposite
*looks at the pachyrhino *

[thorn grove]

i dont feel they would make it no

[stiff osprey]

JFC wouldn't work today because dinosaurs are for kids and kids media is not allowed to be bloody or violent (looks at every hunt scene in PP)

but kids in the late 000s-early 10s were built different

[paper parcel]

Ight hear me out, fluffy dinos

[fluid inlet]

Nah.

[charred hearth]

ones not even a dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

there were plenty of fluffy dinosaurs just not these ones

Except the anurognathid. That's just correct that's how he looked

[fluid inlet]

Poor stegosaurus u want it to die from overheating and the fur doesn’t even look good on it.

[paper parcel]

Wonder what dinosaurs would look like if the mesozoic was more like the ice age instead of extremely hot, thats kinda why I sent images of fluffy dinos

[stiff osprey]

marketable plushie

[paper parcel]

We should have had these guys instead of birds tbh

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-cute-zootopia-zootopia-plus-officer-benjamin-gif-9810879141706630432

[ancient crystal]

Same with hippos, only they can actually back up their ferocity

[fluid inlet]

We did they just went extinct , a lot of dope birds tho. https://preview.redd.it/the-andean-condor-is-the-largest-flying-bird-in-the-world-v0-kwgnkuv7j9aa1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=12ece3345f551237001fc1044449699afa6b52ad

[stiff osprey]

Damn i wish I was the guy who got to do falconry with a condor

or maybe not, that's gotta hurt your arms

[fluid inlet]

https://i.natgeofe.com/n/e3a9b47f-5ea1-48f8-8e6c-5e2a9c619502/6L7A8701.jpg

[paper parcel]

but seriously, could dinosaurs survive the severe cold? like I never see this discussed period

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-gif-27239766

[stiff osprey]

Well maybe not if you dropped them in modern day antarctica but we certainly had dinosaurs that lived through sub zero temperatures in the winter

[fluid inlet]

Well it’s suggested that the reason they went extinct was because supposedly a long winter happened. After the KPG event

What’s the evidence in that btw ?

[ancient crystal]

Behold

[stiff osprey]

Yutyrannus being one of em

[thorn grove]

given sufficient time to adapt yea

[paper parcel]

Potentially possible fluffy sauropods, stegos or ceratopsians? cool

[fluid inlet]

No

[stiff osprey]

Maybe

[ancient crystal]

Yes

[paper parcel]

they might have the mammoth problem though, I imagine it would have to be, absurdly cold for a fluffy sauropod or stego to appear. plus eggs are gonna be harder to raise, unless they find a way to keep them near their heat like penguins watching them constantly or a pouch

[thorn grove]

this is the second time today Venator has done the thing I was thinking of doing

I forgot what the other one was though

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[stiff osprey]

Pretty much, if it's cold enough that an adult sauropod would need a full coat, then the eggs are just screwed. Not like a sauropod could carry eggs on top of its feet either

But if there were summers warm enough to hatch eggs followed by really brutal winters, then maybe

Even then i'd think they would just migrate towards the equator during the winter but weirdly mesozoic dinosaurs didn't do that as far as we can tell

[paper parcel]

Tbh a sauropod with a pouch would solve a lot of the issues, but I cannot stress this enough, the biggest problem wouldn't be the cold it would be it changing, maybe some kind of sailed sauropod would survive like the elephant to the mammoth. Also yknow, the climate getting hotter, although I can imagine some temperate dinos still retaining some kind of feather coat.

sauropods already have gigantothermy on their side, which alot of mammals in the ice age also had.

[fluid inlet]

They probably didn’t do much migrating because the winters weren’t that bad

[stiff osprey]

There is also the matter that sauropods consistently didn't give a damn about their eggs after they were laid, so one evolving to carry them around after they're done developing would be very weird

[paper parcel]

Things can change plus, they kinda can't afford to

[craggy trench]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[thorn grove]

aren't a lot of taxa just weirdly confined to a tiny area to begin with

which I understand is probably at least partially preservation but still

[stiff osprey]

I think that's just the impression we have because geologic dating isn't exact. Like in Campanian NA it looks like there are 5 different faunas at the same time but really we're looking at the same thing thousands of years apart or hundreds of thousands of years apart

[paper parcel]

Another thing that would be badly effected by the dinosaurs in the ice age is the likely outcompetition or people just choosing to farm hadrosaurs over cattle, meaning their is a very good chance cheese is never invented, or people learning how to get milk. Mainly because hadrosaurs produce a ton of eggs and thus they would be a good secondary foodsource that isn't the hadrosaur themselves.

[stiff osprey]

Hadrosaurs absolutely would be the peak farm animal. Meat, eggs, heavy work and transportation in one animal is crazy

Not that other dinosaurs couldn't do that as well but hadrosaurs grow way faster, are reasonably intelligent but not too much so, and are less likely to kill you by accident

[craggy trench]

Unless you get a big species

[paper parcel]

sauropod war steed, house pterosaur

[thorn grove]

You'd probably want a smaller species cuz an elephant+ sized farm animal seems like a lot to handle but Hadrosaurs would be peak

[stiff osprey]

I would rather handle a Maia or Lambeo than a ceratopsid/ankylosaur of the same size but yeah species under 1 ton are ideal

[paper parcel]

hear me out, instead of bullfighting, ceratopsid or stego fighting.

[stiff osprey]

Stego fighting would be brutal one misstep and you're forcibly turned into a donut

[paper parcel]

But its tough and makes whoever does it look like the ALPHA MALE/jk

[charred hearth]

i feel would like a struthi or ornithamimus farm wouldnt that be bad

[stiff osprey]

Well not that bullfighting isn't already brutal but bull horn injuries are usually survivable

Also I can unfortunately imagine dinosaur fighting persisting way longer as people would have less empathy for a ceratopsid compared to a mammal

[paper parcel]

Probably not, I imagine if a person sees a animal enough it becomes normal, and with the lack of cows probably being used, I imagine they would just fill the same head space.

People would probably become very familiar with them even more, and since their aren't just things that no longer exist to the common person, alot more people would probably try to preserve them, plus alot of irl animals that aren't extinct or endangered often draw attention based on their cute factor, nobody thinks of the random vital insect and not the cute funny panda.

[stiff osprey]

That's what i mean by the mammal comparison not many people are gonna find a ceratopsid cute

granted stage fighting of non-cute animals is also banned in most places so maybe bulls are just unlucky

[charred hearth]

#stopBullFighting

[paper parcel]

Probably because bulls are often treated as, Le Monster. Even though its literally just them either getting harmed into fighting or yknow, testerone making them naturally more aggressive and thus being perceived as just one of those le angry animals. Granted they are but people are also effected similiar by hormones and even elephants have a thing called musth that makes them hyperaggressive(the male ones). The reason the cloth they use in bullfighting is red is to hide the stuff they do them.

Basically the more uncontrollable a animal is by a person the less people care.(even if its wrong)

[empty socket]

Allosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus

[ionic linden]

Ceratosaurus

[winged cedar]

ah ok thank you

[stable sun]

noasaur phylogeny

[ionic crescent]

So chicken but with donkey traits

[gleaming talon]

Vespersaurus mentioned

[true juniper]

How big would an adult haolong be

[undone rapids]

Don't think that's possible to predict accurately. I think we just know that it was immature and growing.

[outer tusk]

Like about ~5 meters

[gleaming talon]

Im mad now
Because everyone is saying that cerato is discount allo
Like absolutely not

[ancient crystal]

Shhhhh the devs barely look in here

[scenic flame]

That's dasp

[outer tusk]

Just ignore them to be honest

[paper parcel]

Tanystropheus, hope this fixes it

[ancient crystal]

Allo is discount saurophagnax

[lapis yarrow]

Sauropodanax

[green musk]

Wait isint nothosaurus bigger than it?

[runic heart]

Nah Saurophaganax is deluxe allo

[true juniper]

Fosterovenator is better cerato

[frail robin]

That is Daspletosaurus

[balmy oyster]

might not even be related to cerato

Also this ur goat?

[thorn grove]

fragmentary dinos are the best because then you can believe whatever you want about them

[runic heart]

Saltriovenator the goat

[stable sun]

It's not related to Ceratosaurus yeah

[undone rapids]

Its related to Ceratosaurus as it is also a dinosaur

[polar rain]

For a dinosaur to have lips, its mouth would have to be slightly open right

Like this

[tough parcel]

Well no, for a dinosaur to not break its jaws, they'd need to be slightly open

[undone rapids]

<@&538079608914968587>

[tough parcel]

https://fr.pensoft.net/article/173614/
Locomotor reassessment of Iguanodon, Ouranosaurus and Lurdusaurus (Dinosauria, Ornithopoda) using osteological correlates

Fooor quadrupeds!

[runic heart]

I don’t believe any dinosaur can actually close their mouths all the way without breaking their skulls iirc.

[thorn grove]

Over the past decade, hadrosaurs have increasingly been regarded as obligate quadrupeds... while the possibility that they were instead facultative bipeds... continues to be discussed... The latter interpretation is supported by ichnological evidence, including trackways preserving bipedal footprints... as well as by biomechanical studies suggesting that at least some taxa were capable of facultatively switching between bipedal and quadrupedal gaits

I feel like the findings of this are somewhat diminished by the presence of direct evidence that contradicts it.

including 7 hadrosaurids... that exhibit the full suite of osteological correlates originally identified by Maidment and Barrett (2014) as indicative of quadrupedal locomotion... converging anatomical evidence strongly supports predominantly quadrupedal habits in the subset of taxa considered here

I can buy Styracosternans being predominantly quadrupedal but again it seems difficult to argue for obligate quadrupedality when you have multiple trackways and biomechanical studies demonstrating the opposite

When this is acknowledged Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus also return to facultative bipedalism (although Lurdusaurus remains an obligate quadruped and even somewhat graviportal):

It should be noted, however, that when hadrosaurs are treated as facultative bipeds rather than obligate quadrupeds... Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus fall between unambiguous bipeds and quadrupeds for traits such as pelvic width and relative metatarsal length. Under this alternative coding, the number of osteological correlates supporting quadrupedalism in these taxa decreases from nine out of eleven to seven, producing a more balanced signal. This, in turn, supports a more conservative interpretation in which Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus were predominantly quadrupedal while retaining some capacity for bipedalism.

[polar rain]

I also think that but then why are there fossils like ceratosaurus where its jaw is closed all the way

[tough parcel]

What fossils

[runic heart]

Isn’t that just on museum mounts or something?

[tough parcel]

I've no clue what you're meaning to illustrate here

[thorn grove]

I'm skeptical of the obligate quadruped finding since we have trackways and biomechanical studies indicating facultative bipedalism in animals that are also found to be obligate quadrupeds by the same method

[tough parcel]

How are we attributing trackways to specific animals

Even disregarding that, you quote passages that explicitly say "Yea, there's a chance they were swapping depending on circumstances" with Lurdusaurus being the only one that staunchly refuses to leave the designation of quadruped

Based on the comparisons of eleven osteological correlates, this study clarifies the locomotion and posture of three ankylopollexian ornithopods with previously controversial locomotor habits. Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus appear quite similar in their inferred locomotor patterns. They were likely obligate quadrupeds, contrasting with previous hypotheses suggesting that ankylopollexians retained some capacity for occasional bipedalism, although this interpretation depends on whether hadrosaurs are coded as obligate quadrupeds in our comparative sample.

[polar rain]

I used to see it so many times and now that I need it I cant find it 🫩

[thorn grove]

because they're hadrosaur tracks, even if we don't know the exact species of hadrosaur, hadropodus is a described ichnotaxon

[paper parcel]

Same with people, you try doing it and see how your teeth hurt XD

[tough parcel]

Sure but as Dempsey's (and now this paper) says, hadrosaurs weren't forced into being quadrupedal like groups such as ceratopsids or sauropods

They were capable of bipedal movement but they would likely be most comfortable/predominantly moving in a quadrupedal stance

[thorn grove]

yea but that's not obligate quadrupedality

[tough parcel]

Taken together, these traits suggest that, while likely obligate quadrupeds, Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus retained substantial locomotor versatility.

Based on this correlate, Lurdusaurus is thus considered an obligate, graviportal quadruped. Interpreting moderate femoral eccentricity in Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus is more challenging. Unlike large hadrosaurids, which show low femoral eccentricity likely due to pronounced limb flexion, Iguanodon and Ouranosaurus exhibit somewhat higher values, which may reflect a more upright posture.

There are quite a few lines where they say that Lurdusaurus is really the only one in their data that they could not find as bipedal or capable of bipedal movement

But predominantly moving quadrupedally and using bipedal movement in specific circumstances being applied to most/all other styracosternans seems fair enough

[light osprey]

Interpreting trackways can be more complicated than it might seem initially, more so it’s just very clear to see Hadrosauridae is moving strongly into quadrupedal tendencies amongst the Ankylopollexians

[polar rain]

This is the best I could find

[peak jetty]

Because the animal was dead before it fossilized

Tissue decay allowes the jaws to be pushed closed by debris as the corpse is buried

[polar rain]

Ohhh

[thorn grove]

though interestingly earlier Ankyllopexians seem to have already developed obligate quadrupeds in Lurdusaurus so Hadrosaurs aren't really moving into quadrupedalism so much as already being there (albeit less so than Lurdu)

[light osprey]

They are becoming more adept at quadrupedal movement. Their forelimbs are so much more convergent on unguligrade mammals than anything else has in the fossil record.

[paper parcel]

They are??? This would imply that dinosaurs still live(hollow earth confirmed?)

[undone rapids]

Dinosaurs do indeed still live

[tough parcel]

Muscles and tissue also contract when an animal decays, especially in a hot/dry environment which forces the jaws shut beyond what the animal would do in life

[light osprey]

Indeed

[charred hearth]

is this true? https://x.com/YutyTyrant/status/2020961361493438912

🦖 Dino Kia 🦖; 🏳️‍🌈 (@YutyTyrant)

Today I learned that Thylacosmilus' sabre teeth roots REACHED ITS BRAINCASE 💀

To quote @TyrantLzrdQueen , that's viscerally upsetting

X · Feb 9, 2026, 8:41 PM

[paper parcel]

Yeah, also, AMPHICOELIAS MOD IS BEING MADE

[charred hearth]

thats so great

[ancient crystal]

What did I miss?

I did not mean to ping you for this, mb

[bright veldt]

It don’t really exist like that anymore.

[ancient crystal]

Which is honestly even more a reason for them to have lips

[opaque kayak]

Oh god

Bloop 2.0

[undone rapids]

Scam

[ancient crystal]

Oh ok, I saw a question about dinosaur lips and moderators being pinged and got excited

[opaque kayak]

How would you play this without lagging 24/7, it's 66.23 meters 💀

[undone rapids]

Maybe I lied, maybe the mods came and sewed up everyone's lips so no one could argue...

[undone rapids]

Its a Very Beautiful Skull

[stiff osprey]

What if you shrank it to 66.22 meters then the performance would improve

[paper parcel]

Ima play it and kill every megapack

[queen oar]

@tough parcel the real loss next month, will be the Jerboadiver.

[light osprey]

Always the pragmatist

[winter marsh]

but PoT upsizing would make it at least 108.77 meters long so that wouldnt solve the issue

[scenic flame]

size does not effect performance, polygon/triangle count are what matters

[opaque kayak]

Only 500000000 health ❤️

[queen oar]

So, scarecrows exist, right? What if someone did a: Scarerex?

[paper parcel]

Amphicoelias 1000 year reign of terror XD

[winter marsh]

big stuffed edmusthosaurus

[charred hearth]

why would colossal do this?

[polar rain]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[winter marsh]

this sentence feels more confusing than whatever the hell the FNAF lore is

[winter marsh]

like what the heck do you mean a dodo killed your baby sloth

[charred hearth]

wouldnt be the first time

[plush fossil]

i cant stop laughing at this

[polar rain]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-kill-that-boy-speed-kill-that-boy-ishowspeed-kys-gif-12701459054714320722

[misty scarab]

[ashen creek]

Is it me or why do the fossil shape of pterosaurs look like stretched out frogs?

[shrewd quiver]

colossal does anything but help the world honestly, they brand themselves as conservation workers but they honestly just want money and nothing else

their dire wolf was literal fraud and should be considered illegal

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/craig-ferguson-joke-joking-it-was-a-joke-gif-10439100

[charred hearth]

elaborate on the illegal part

[ancient crystal]

Hmmm, do I play devils advocate and point out their actual conservation and scientific contributions at 11:30 pm at night?

No, not this time, I need sleep

[tough parcel]

Don't worry, I can!

Colossal Biosciences has repeatedly funded/made significant contributions to conservation

Going "Wa wa wa dire wolf = evil company" does a great disservice to the individuals who put their back into making sure we're not losing elephants or amphibians to some weird disease with a 90% fatality rate

[charred hearth]

so its not ilegal in anyway like their implying?

[tough parcel]

Idfk where they pulled it being illegal from outside of "animal cruelty"

Even then, TMK any animal cruelty allegations were based on vibes

[charred hearth]

i always wondered, do they have their own special reserve to raise the life they bring back? like, all the "dire wolves " in that protected reverse being raised?

[tough parcel]

There's only two rn lol

[charred hearth]

any public plans for more?

[tough parcel]

Not as far as I am aware

We're due for an update on them in October this year

[thorn grove]

being charitable they're claiming it should be illegal because it's not the product being advertised, hence 'fraud'

but that seems a bit silly it's not like anybody is going to the super market and being duped by a fake dire wolf

[quartz egret]

paleontology chat actually makes me laugh the hardest out of any of these chats

[stiff osprey]

Dude FUG you I went to THREE separate stores yesterday to get a direwolf but they ALL just gave me a gray wolf that was painted white

[craggy trench]

I think there’s 3 ?
They got a little sister iirc
And I think they said no more but I could be wrong

[tough parcel]

I eated it all…

(I thought the third died of medical complications but I might be mixing it up)

[quartz egret]

is there actually a reason why they made the fake dire wolf though i genuinely still don't understand

[stiff osprey]

To clickbait people into giving them money to conserve living stuff

[quartz egret]

not caught up with this at all, just have seen friends shaking their heads at it

[craggy trench]

Apparently there was 4 and one died

[tough parcel]

What is this, some sort of Godzilla Minus One…?

[quartz egret]

okay weird, but i guess that works. trolling for charity

[stiff osprey]

That is the generous interpretation of what they're doing, if you want to be less kind about it you can stop at "clickbait people into giving them money"

[quartz egret]

shrug

you guys gotta see this dog i found

[stiff osprey]

he works out at the library

Also what I do consider trolling is them naming a direwolf after an ASOIAF character

Not one of the several actual direwolves in the series. Not the owners of those direwolves. But a completely unrelated character

[quartz egret]

never have gotten into that but that is really funny.

[charred hearth]

i wish they could acquire the funding to do chased by dinosaurs with prehestoric planet level of production

like, imagine a episode where the protagonist goes out seraching for the largest hadrosaur in zhuecheng, that would be a great episode

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/oceansjonas-bear-in-the-big-blue-house-sniffing-smelling-gif-9077831805310939164

[hallow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/waddle-waddle-gif-745219024722940245

[paper parcel]

Prionosuchus

[quartz egret]

i love you

[gleaming talon]

Eyritho

[gleaming talon]

Crocomander

[gleaming talon]

So any ideas on tullimonstrum

[sharp canyon]

Is there a specific weight threshold a theropod must meet to be considered a megatheropod

[pastel yarrow]

Tullimonstrum sure is a creature alright

[undone rapids]

Its subjective, in some papers its any theropod above 2 tonnes. Online most people refer to theropods above 5 tonnes.

[gleaming talon]

Id say 5 tons is better

And then we should have a new category called tyrannosaurus rex that contains tyrannosaurus rex and the 5,000 ton megatheropod that is procompsognathus

[polar rain]

Investor's $$$

[ancient crystal]

Money, as said, but at least internally they probably function as a proof of concept.

[ancient crystal]

Then there's marine bio where "mega" fauna is anything longer than like 5cm

[undone rapids]

Iirc terrestrially, Megafauna is anything over 40 kg

[gleaming talon]

Wait emus are just mega fauna

But not by much

[ancient crystal]

I have a professor who is a marine microbiologist, and they hate the focus on "charismatic mega fauna" in the field.

(Ignoring the fact that there is genuinely three professors in the whole school that focus on animals visible with the naked eye)

She always has at least one deriding comment in her lectures like, "enough with the charismatic megafauna, lets talk about what's actually important," and she'll talk about macro plankton like krill which can technically still be megafauna.

[gleaming talon]

Screw fauna im more wondering what happened to the Prototaxites
Like what causes an entire kingdom to just go extinct like that

[light osprey]

Another example is macropredator where the charismatic-sized bias in distorts the application of the term despite it referring to any predator visible to the naked eye and not to supermegasized apex predators.

[tough parcel]

Foooor T. rex!

[sudden wind]

Most marine biologists are actually focusing on biofilms, plankton, other microorganisms and benthic sessile organisms lmfao.

The megafauna ones actually are the rare pearl in the field. So far, I've yet to see some people working on something else than polychetes and cyanobacterias.

[paper parcel]

Which alien left their spore cell stage creature in the ocean 😭

[paper parcel]

Prototaxites, pillar fungus from the devonian

[thorn grove]

Wasn’t there something about these possibly being their own kingdom

[polar rain]

You two should kiss frfr

[runic heart]

https://x.com/DiscussingBones/status/2021259637622714399

I love this guy

DiscussingBones (@DiscussingBones)

New material for Baryonyx walkeri contains crocodile-like skin impression and a wider more alligator-like complete skull giving a new look to an iconic dinosaur.

(Source: https://t.co/KOF7DTZdC7)

X · Feb 10, 2026, 4:27 PM

[runic rover]

trolling?

[runic heart]

Yuh

[wind prairie]

my dumb brain read the last part of the sentence first and I saw "fell into the horn core" and went GASTER??? lmao

[crisp matrix]

Honestly, that might be the inspiration of the joke.

[fossil ingot]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2025.2604600
Revision of the longirostrine crocodylian Thoracosaurus isorhynchus from the Maastrichtian–Danian of northwestern Europe

[runic heart]

Yeah this guy’s pretty funny. Technically paleo related.

[runic heart]

Oh?

[scenic flame]

The Onion paleo eddition

[paper parcel]

Also, funny thing I would mention that most people don't know on here, desmostylus was a elephant relative that swam like a frog but went extinct

[quartz egret]

awesome thang

[paper parcel]

We do have hyraxes though, basically mammals that don't produce much heat, have scent glands, pee so dry it turns into rocks(hyraxite) and live in the dry areas of South Africa. They are very intelligent with different calls for different scenarios(and extremely athletic, fast) also elephant relative

[quartz egret]

ough. ouhh. oughh

[charred hearth]

thoughts on this sad news?

[paper parcel]

Or trees, they have tusks too and can bite hard(and are entirely herbivorous, able to eat flowers and leaves)

[quartz egret]

theyrr my favorite

[wind prairie]

I know..

[paper parcel]

The Cenozoic is cool and I am tired of pretending it's not

[wind prairie]

not an elephant relative per se, it's unknown what they are afaik

[quartz egret]

cenozoic drives me crazy

[paper parcel]

Ngl some permian/synapsids look so close to cenozoic mammals It makes me think the cenozoic is just permian 2

[thorn grove]

technically everything is an elephant relative

[paper parcel]

What the paleontologists don't want you to know about

[thorn grove]

it's true i was there

[jagged trellis]

technically you deserved to be called honey

[stiff osprey]

L whoever made this image for assigning the civilization to a random gorgonopsid and not Lystrosaurus, who was the real permo-triassic mr worldwide

Unless the lystrosaurs were actually the cattle/pets of the intelligent gorgonopsid... much to think about

[paper parcel]

Technically cattle and farm animals outnumber humanity

[little mauve]

they make that point in the image, pretty fun spec evo

[tough parcel]

That sounds like a line from a villain I heard once but I legitimately cannot remember if it's a real line or Mandela Effect

[paper parcel]

But what if it isn't spec evo

[tough parcel]

There were a dozen extinction level events before even the dinosaurs got theirs!

[thorn grove]

why would people read things before talking about them what a waste of time

everyone knows you should always make assumptions they make conversations go faster

[paper parcel]

Silurian hypothesis

Just a endless cycle doomed to repeat itself

https://tenor.com/view/lystrosaurus-prehistoric-prehistory-funny-extinct-gif-26654733

[plush fossil]

this is true actually!
-# mods dont smite me im joking

[little mauve]

Love the Silurian Hypothesis but there does seem to be an increase in brain to body ratios over evolutionary time that really only kicks in in the late Cenozoic

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Kayentakatae/status/2021310181913620541 thoughts?

Kai J. Doron (@Kayentakatae)

Daily reminder that Crocodilians are the closest living relatives of Dinosaurs.

X · Feb 10, 2026, 7:47 PM

[nocturne merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[sudden wind]

Well technically yes if they assume that birds aren't closely related to dinosaurs but just straight up dinosaurs.

[stiff osprey]

Where's that IQ curve meme

[light osprey]

Thoracosaurs are the closest extinct relative of crocodylians

Perhaps they should be dinosaurs too

[polar rain]

They are tho

Birds can't evolve out of the dinosauria clade

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/JamaleIjouiher/status/2021208863114919940

Jamale Ijouiher (@JamaleIjouiher)

New paper on the capacities of #Iguanodon, #Ouranosaurus & #Lurdusaurus; which are all likely obligate quadrupeds, and Lurdusaurus was outright #graviportal! which fits nicely with my long held idea of it being ecologically analogous to the hippopotamus.

https://t.co/ZilR21Qf2o

X · Feb 10, 2026, 1:05 PM

[gleaming talon]

Hipposaur

[charred hearth]

was iggy also a obligate quad?

[patent mist]

It scored 9/10 on criteria for quadropedal adaptations

[charred hearth]

can i have all the scores?

[patent mist]

If i could remember all of them I would provide it, but most of them don't really rule out being able to walk on two legs. Ie: having hooves on front kegs, and having longer front legs than back ones

[plush fossil]

it makes me cry when people talk about how chickens are closely related to trex/dinosaurs...always on youtube shorts or tiktok
i think i worded this a lil wrong but you get what i mean right

[balmy oyster]

Yes, youtube shorts and tiktok have been a tragedy to the paleo community

[thorn grove]

Depends how Hadrosaurs are assessed, basically however Hadrosaurs were walking is also how iggy and ourano were walking

[wind prairie]

could hippo lurdu be back?

[charred hearth]

it didnt even start

[light osprey]

This is because the hippopotamus is the only other graviportal animal to ever exist

[charred hearth]

would you guys say hippo lurdu is the same as big neck hatz and giant head erythrosuchus?

[thorn grove]

you don't understand, it's impossible to understand paleoecology unless every extinct animal has an exact modern analogue

[outer tusk]

Yes

[little mauve]

Hippo or not, the graviportality is intriguing and warrants further study imo

[balmy oyster]

Yeah

[charred hearth]

we need 1 more so we can have the four horsemen

[wind prairie]

I mean yeah it did but it was a while ago now

[charred hearth]

was it truly a thing though

you got BoB and 2 popular art pieces of it being semi aquatic, and the PoT mod

[little mauve]

I think comparing a pretty reasonable hypothesis to two flat out wrong paleoart memes is kind of unfair. We need a lot more evidence like isotopic studies, but a semi aquatic lifestyle is a decent hypothesis to explain its adaptations. There are others for sure but theres nothing disproving it either

[ashen creek]

You used to have my same exact pfp lamo. It used to be the simosuchus from planet dinosaur, and that scene

[charred hearth]

may i have all the evidence for semi aquatic lurdusaurus?

[outer tusk]

there was no direct evidence besides one paper describing it having "denser" bones compare to it's relatives

[little mauve]

its unique and extreme morphology compared to both its relatives and contemporaries probably has some kind of ecological significance, it was also niche differentiating somehow from the other iguanodonts in its habitat. It's known from a site with abundant fish and crocodiles, indicating a robust freshwater ecosystem. There are gross morphological similarities to hippos but also to giant sloths and sauropods. I'm just saying it's not an unreasonable hypothesis absent evidence to the contrary. It needs more study

it's certainly not flat wrong like the other examples you cited

[harsh forge]

my hypothesis is that lurdu dove into water to pursue crocodilians to eat

[wind prairie]

I kinda hate how quickly any little thing gets labeled as a "paleomeme"

[charred hearth]

sarco feared the lurdmusthosaurus

[little mauve]

if it came purely out of paleoart I'd call it a meme but it's supported by legitimate researchers like Holtz and Ijouiher- who is an African dinosaur specialist mind you

[balmy oyster]

Elhraz was really cool

Sucho, lurdu, ourano, sarco, AND a brachiosaur apparently

Also nigersaurus

Nearly everything from that formation has become iconic and many people would understand when you say their names

[charred hearth]

i find it crazy how drastically the height difference between sucho and lurdu is and yet their the same size, ie, 5 tons.

[thorn grove]

is lurdu actually 5 tons i thought it was smaller than that

[charred hearth]

maybe

[severe yew]

i heard age verification is coming to discord

i predict about 90% will be gone, lol

[fluid inlet]

🙏🏾

[balmy oyster]

My friend’s server will immediately implode upon itself and cease to exist the second this drops

[hallow spear]

@balmy oyster my server is gonna. Explode unless you give me your dang mc user in the channel!!!

[balmy oyster]

Oh right i had to do that gimme a minute

[paper parcel]

Im just getting all the friends I like added on steam too, if you have it you Should

[thick oar]

it's alr on partially, u have to do face ID

[stiff osprey]

Rude. I killed a Tyrannotitan with one of those

[quartz egret]

same!

except i didnt kill it . i just intruded on this fight with an achillobaiter pack and tyrannotitan . when they were all too low to fight i was a juvi campto and 1v1d it for a while and it couldn't hit me i was like a mosquito

the achilos came back though after healing and killed it and tey gave me the trophy . yay

[quartz egret]

i am curious how this went i wish i could have seen it

[tough parcel]

A juvenile right?

[stiff osprey]

No, an adult

well subadult probably

Me and a friend pecked it while it was sleeping and got it to chase after me, chased me right off a cliff. I survived the fall, he didn't

[quartz egret]

nice

[stiff osprey]

POT is an emotional rollercoaster because one moment you're killing one of the strongest things in the game as one of the weakest and the next moment you're losing a 4v1 of sarcs to a cheirus (I was on the side of the sarcs)

[quartz egret]

its rough

[balmy oyster]

at least we'd be able to bring them back

[craggy trench]

Oogma ate the last wild edmonto

[stiff osprey]

Idk couldve left us some dromaeosaurs or something

Then again we would just call them a weird bird

[fluid inlet]

Lmao

[balmy oyster]

oh yea also primates WERE a thing during dinosaurs. apparently. along ducks and turkeys I think. evolution is weeeiirrd

[fluid inlet]

Your ancestors would be turnt into all you can eat buffets for plenty of the much smaller theropods.

[stiff osprey]

primates might evolve as we had some primatey looking things by the paleocene iirc. but we'd be some tiny ahh squirrel looking thing

[balmy oyster]

this episode is canon to what would happen if non avian dinosaurs were still a thing

[thorn grove]

what if i would rather be a little monkey and get eaten by a dinosaur

[fluid inlet]

What exactly does this prove ? Everything alive today has ancestors back then.

[paper parcel]

I would rather be a sauropod tbh or pterosaur

[stiff osprey]

by the time you grew big enough to be safe from predators as a sauropod you'd have the worst case of PTSD ever seen

[balmy oyster]

(unless you do the prior extinction route and spend your entire childhood in a bush)

[stiff osprey]

unless you also had the brainpower of a sauropod in which case your only concern would be lefa

[paper parcel]

Not much different tbh.

[paper parcel]

Maybe dinosaurs were smarter then we think. And maybe the reason the mesozoic got so hot is, Bird people

[fluid inlet]

Wonder how social sauropods were , would be great just seeing them in all their glory and their social structure.

[stiff osprey]

On the one hand most animals are probably smarter than we give them credit for. On the other hand frogs have survived since the Jurassic despite often failing to find food that is sitting on top of their head

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frog-eat-frog-gif-13001112699463748609

[paper parcel]

Probably not plus, frogs hunt things on movement

[fluid inlet]

Well look at pandas today

[balmy oyster]

frogs survive by either doing something or sitting in mud for 27 years

[thorn grove]

the line i always remember regarding sauropod intelligence is "limited behavioral flexibility"

[stiff osprey]

In a world where every food item eventually stops moving, you'd think an animal unable to attack a still target would die off

But frogs persist

[fluid inlet]

Same people that probably thought microorganisms couldn’t make on the fly decisions.

[balmy oyster]

frogs are one of those animals that deserve to be smaller than your hand for a majority of species

the time when amphibians got to megacanine sizes it would have been...horrifying

[paper parcel]

Bugs move alot

[stiff osprey]

not if they're dead or camouflaged. and many frogs eat vertebrates

[paper parcel]

Prionosuchus is based and cute

[stiff osprey]

Tbf most animals have limited behavioral flexibility... even humans

Limited compared to what is the question

[thorn grove]

wait is that why the rex in jurassic park can't see things that don't move

[balmy oyster]

how cute...

[paper parcel]

No need to kill prey when you just eat it whole like the average ai slop enjoyer

[balmy oyster]

yes

jurassic park was doing pretty well but they decided to use frogs and unlip their rex
this ended up creating Jurassic World Dominion, boring millions and being a bad film

[paper parcel]

I hate paleo minecraff mods that force you to just do a jurassic park instead of going back in time

[balmy oyster]

didn't someone make a dinosaur dweller mod that does the exact same thing all other 50000 dweller mods do

[paper parcel]

Big slimey and warm too what's not to like?

[stiff osprey]

It's never actually said in the franchise that rex's vision is because of the frog dna, Grant just intuitively knows its vision is based on movement before the rex even looks at him

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

[balmy oyster]

I cannot be surprised

[fluid inlet]

People already stopped talking about quill boy , that was fast.

[thorn grove]

paleontologists just know these things

[paper parcel]

They just need to build a time machine with that secret tech they have and bring live footage from the mesozoic and other time periods already

[thorn grove]

not megatheropod boringgggg

[plush fossil]

ikr
GOD i wish every dinosaur was a giant theropod with 100ft long TEETH and MASSIVE STRONG JAWS that are STRONGER THAN TREX and has NO FEATHERS because dinosaurs with feathers ARENT COOL AND SUCK and with a size thats bigger than THE BIGGEST BUILDING EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i forgot to reply oops

[paper parcel]

Nah, the only film with anurognathus is walking with dinosaurs and yeah, it's shrinkrapped, bring my boy back feds

[stiff osprey]

Anurognathus is actually in jurassic world rebirth

for two seconds

where it's completely featherless and has frog skin

👍

[plush fossil]

i wish this thing was real

[balmy oyster]

this is giganotosaurus except it had the brain activity of a genuine frog

[tough parcel]

Primeval Anurognathus erasure

[paper parcel]

Average path of titans player

[stiff osprey]

Noooo i forgot the air piranhas

[plush fossil]

i looked it up and...wow thats interesting
it would be a cool creature design if it wasnt based off of a cute little fluffy lizard bird

[stiff osprey]

They were evil in Primeval though. Not because they killed people but because they framed an innocent Pteranodon for it

[paper parcel]

Anurognathus could be reclassified as a mammal even though it's a pterosaur and I wouldn't bat a eye tbh

[balmy oyster]

this proves my point that primeval designs are either really charming or look like what should've been shown in the two headed raptor lab scene in Rebirth

[tough parcel]

Do you think they portal’ed from the Jurassic and into the Cretaceous to force the Pteranodon to be the scapegoat

Or are you hiding ghost lineage Anurognathus for Big Paleo?

[paper parcel]

That's not even a anurognathus

[stiff osprey]

Well they had to come from the same portal right I don't remember there being multiple anomalies in the episode

[tough parcel]

Yea it’s the same anomaly tmk

And my favorite part is that you never really saw the models but dang that’s a nice coloration

[balmy oyster]

my bad here's this instead

[paper parcel]

Dobey anurognathus solos, he is a free pterosaur

[stiff osprey]

After they introduced the fact that a) going into a past anomaly changes the future and b) animals can just randomly go from any time in history to any other it kinda broke suspension of disbelief that the world was somehow still a normal place in the Primeval universe

Then again maybe that's why everything evolved to look so ugly and monsterized...

[tough parcel]

Something something survival of the fittest!

If you look awesome, the random time-traveling T.rex won’t kill you

[stiff osprey]

The gorgonopsid evolved to be the size of a truck in order to fight off the time traveling dinosaurs that were wiping out everything else in the Permian

[fluid inlet]

I think hyenas are pretty underrated today. Beast of an animal , you do not want to get bit by that beast.

[tough parcel]

Actually it was the time traveling bat, please be correct next time!

[paper parcel]

Fun fact, the zoologist N1gel Marven used a secret antedulivian artifact from the Vatican to time travel and film the walking with dinosaurs films where he was involved.

[stiff osprey]

Well that was one of the best fights in science fiction but also, the gorgonopsid was there first

[tough parcel]

Perhaps it was the second time traveling bat and the Gorgonopsid was fulfilling its sacred duty?

But also yea, I agree

[stiff osprey]

Spotted hyenas and jaguars are easily top 3 carnivorans.

I don't know what the other top 3 is you can choose i guess

[paper parcel]

Cotylorhynchus solos most dinos tbh

[opaque kayak]

boop

[stiff osprey]

I was going to nominate this thing but lupus works too

[sullen cairn]

sadly maned wolves are better than both because chrysocyon is the coolest extant genus name ever

[tough parcel]

Why is it so :]

[thorn grove]

i wasn't nominating dogs i was nominating that specific dog

[paper parcel]

Cats are kinda op though

[sullen cairn]

he looks like he is about to cry

[stiff osprey]

he does 😭 that's the saddest looking cat ive ever seen

[honest cobalt]

Pet images would be better suited in the #animals-or-pets channel very cute tho

[thorn grove]

true but also lame

[wind prairie]

is that maiasaura coloration a dinosaur king reference

[stiff osprey]

it has to be i don't know any other purple maiasauras in media

[paper parcel]

(Just talk about prehistoric cats)

[stiff osprey]

unfortunately i can't talk about the 11000 year old still alive dog as it's nsfw

[paper parcel]

What about, the pack hunting raptors?

[stiff osprey]

like utahraptor or harris hawks?

[paper parcel]

Yes

[stiff osprey]

apparently wedge tailed eagles have been seen hunting kangaroos in groups

because it's Australia so of course it has raptor packs on top of everything else

[gleaming talon]

But can it defeat the legendary

[gleaming talon]

Except for the damn crocodiles

[severe yew]

how about Raven images?

they are descendants of dinosaurs after all 🤷‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-raven-gif-19316736

why am i still awake 😢

[gleaming talon]

Not just descendants
They are

[snow python]

Do we have any estimates for the large stego FHPR 1095?

[polar rain]

How accurate is my paleoart? Is there anything I should change?

I have the most problems on the limbs

[frigid delta]

what kind of dinosaur is Archaeopteryx?
avian or non-avian?

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-64-say-that-again-fantastic-4-fantastic-four-gif-13961336470396779353

[gleaming talon]

Id say it should be classed as semi-avian

Also microraptor has a chance that it can fly

[polar rain]

Why are ceratosaurus fossils so creepy

Like every single one is so deformed what did the environment do to these guys

[elfin moss]

So my ass was scrolling n I found this

[undone rapids]

Yeah its a few years old now, still being worked on

[ashen wedge]

Maybe if they were smallest of the small….

[gleaming talon]

I find your lack of faith
Disturbing

[ashen wedge]

I just have to say, it’ll be crushed by medium sized dinosaurs

[gleaming talon]

Nah
Trust the process

[ashen wedge]

I wish I could, but like a great master of wisdom said before “There’s always a bigger fish”

[gleaming talon]

Yeah obviously citipati slams

[ashen wedge]

Which one of the Ovi’s is that again?

[gleaming talon]

Ummm

Can’t remember how to describe it

[runic rover]

I think this is already 2 years old, my waiting on the project started walking and talking, a little more and it can even start to go to school, in the same class as my waiting for a PoT update I guess...

[lucid gyro]

i feel like most fossils i see are usually compressed/altered with in some way

they’re never “pretty” in the sense that they’re perfect like in the movies 😭

[elfin moss]

Long story I got more images from.where I found em but they r from the presentation I'm assuming going to be at dinocon

[undone rapids]

Yeah it was probably that twitter post

[elfin moss]

Might be the guy who posted it was getting hate by supporting ice or something but I saw this n saved em while I could

[opaque kayak]

hmm two specimens 🤔

[ashen wedge]

Does that mean, we can see male and female Spinosaurus?

[paper parcel]

nah cotylorhynchus is actually just a modern man, that got fossilized thats why its so fat.

[ashen wedge]

Modern man is very weak, we get bodied by wolves, felines, bears, sharks, and even other humans

[paper parcel]

In the old books of the lizard men, the reason the planets exist is from the ascension of the largest of dinos, being so big they physically were not fit for this world/jk

[runic rover]

Not sure if the right spot to post it but HELP OH GOD

[wind prairie]

no more than any other bird?..

[elfin moss]

From what I heard it may be a new species

[ashen wedge]

What if it’s just gender different crests?

[balmy oyster]

It’s not.

Completely different localities and other parts of the skeleton differ from aegyptiacus

[ashen wedge]

Alright, just wasn’t too sure

[undone rapids]

It is, there's a whole article on it : https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/sahara-desert-dinosaurs-cretaceous-paleontology

[thorn grove]

cheese

[elfin moss]

Wicked also I been adding big crest to spoons along with lips n people think I'm crazy

[balmy oyster]

The lips part probably, since the teeth start to splay out too much at the fromt

[quartz egret]

which dinosaur can this happen to

[tough parcel]

The ever-reliable Yutyrannus

[stiff osprey]

Psittacosaurus but instead of the forehead it's on the tail

[tough parcel]

Would the quills be thick enough to produce such a banger comb though?

[charred hearth]

is that

[foggy river]

To my knowledge these were leaked without the authors permission and under embargo. That might have changed but. Ppl leaking doesn’t help the integrity of getting proper releases out

[tough parcel]

The person leaking these is a known problem individual, having doxxed and harassed numerous individuals, me included, on top of other social problems

They are "leaking" embargo under the pretense they are fighting "Big Paleo" unironically, do not support them

The authors have not expressed a change in tune, however different images (not of the material, but reconstructions from the lab) were publicized

[foggy river]

thats good to know! so there are shareable material
but yeah, always double check before you share something that isnt publically published online, theres prolly a reason

[tough parcel]

The abstract and reconstruction of the skull are public

[plush fossil]

they're doing all that...over dinosaurs?

[outer tusk]

Dude all you need to know are that these people aren't very bright and well do anything to satisfy their twisted wants

[plush fossil]

true true

[elfin moss]

Hey either way cool spinosaur woth a amazing crest now add keratin to it

[balmy oyster]

Trust me, there is a LOT that is being done, over dinosaurs…

Best thing to do is steer away from all the drama

[paper parcel]

anurognathus

[outer tusk]

Agreed, it's just sad how many of these people that do are LEGIT adult that can have JOBS

[paper parcel]

J*bs

[paper parcel]

Why can't people just make freaky art of dinos and live in peace?

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[thorn grove]

The worst thing I've done over dinosaurs is be kind of mean during an argument I can't imagine making such a big deal over it

[craggy trench]

oogma sent edmontos to crush my house

[thorn grove]

oh right i forgot about that

[polar rain]

I know but it's the long teeth especially that make its fossils more creepy than usual fossils

[ancient crystal]

Look up Graham Hancock.

There's always someone deluding themselves into thinking they're fighting against an unjust established order no matter the field

[ancient crystal]

Quilled triceratops had it coming.

[charred hearth]

thoughts on how it would apply to marine reptiles? https://x.com/astrapionte/status/2021315535049232738

.🔅𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖗𝖆𝖕𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖙𝖊🔅. (@astrapiont...

I have a question: does anybody know the science behind cetacean skin color? Like, many have a super specific, unique pattern and sometimes colors not seen in other mammals.

What’s the reason for this? Can they just get away with anything in the ocean?

#whales #sciart #dolphin

X · Feb 10, 2026, 8:09 PM

[ancient crystal]

Probably similar. The only "rule" and I say that loosely for most marine animals is dark on top light on bottom.

[charred hearth]

does anyone know what the mainly white whale is?

[rich vessel]

I think it’s a right whale

[ancient crystal]

Right whale

Idk, might be a left whale though

[charred hearth]

why is it white

[ancient crystal]

The author just gave up on that one dorsal fin huh?

[ancient crystal]

Light colors break up your outline when viewed from the side underwater.

Its actually why so many animals have white underbellies, it has nothing to do with blending in with the light at the surface of the water.

Not that right whales are usually white, just that it isn't the same massive disadvantage that it is on land.

[stiff osprey]

the best part is i have no idea if you're talking about the tiny ahh dorsal fin on the beaked whale, the straight triangle on the orca, or the shapeless blob on the other one

[ancient crystal]

Any of them tbh, but I was looking at the blob lol

[stiff osprey]

spectacled porposes be like that

[paper parcel]

Weird Eye Yankafish

[ancient crystal]

This is awful and I can see why this would never have been included in any of my classes

[balmy oyster]

No because they really are just like that

[light osprey]

Some Right Whale calves are white

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, just from the bit of searching I did it appears calves born to parents with grey coloration tend to be white

[outer tusk]

Dall

[charred hearth]

how large do manatee's get compared to stellar sea cows?

[paper parcel]

Guys I have a theory

[ancient crystal]

Less

[charred hearth]

all ik is that they found a 410 manatee in a sewer and sent it too seaworld

thoughts?

[balmy oyster]

Apparently he’s jacked and hits the gym often so I wager he’ll do quite well

[tough parcel]

"Apparently"

He is jacked, he'd win 😭

[jagged trellis]

i mean we don't know the foes he'll face, that and could very well get murked if the crowd does not like em

[charred hearth]

does he beat his own craetions

[balmy oyster]

Ball so elite the moderators had to step in

[runic heart]

Lot of fish choke on stuff huh

[ancient crystal]

Gape limited predators like to gamble

[ancient crystal]

Could mad paleontologist disease be claiming its next victim?

https://bsyy.app/profile/skeletaldrawing.bsky.social/post/3mem7srl2b22n

[vocal talon]

Planning on making a Sinosauropteryx mod. Any skeletals, references or studies any of y’all recommend?

[charred hearth]

it was striped

[foggy river]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982217311971
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12057692/
https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/e01-050
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-theropod-dinosaur-Sinosauropteryx-a-A-new-specimen-of-Sinosauropteryx-IVPP-V12415_fig1_6310795

my favorite dinosaur \o/
im a casual dino nerd so I can't vouch for the total accuracy of anything in here, especially older, but this is a great springboard to take a look around. If anyone has corrections lmk pls The image from ElReptileano helps to emphasize some of the differences betwen the actual animal and some of the more popular concepts but i woudlnt necessarily use it as a direct refernce.

[vocal talon]

ty, u had all this locked and loaded

[foggy river]

my beloved creature

that and looking at stuff like general compsognathid anatomy

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[foggy river]

LOL
ill take that

[tough parcel]

This is wrong and inaccurate as Sinosauropteryx is a juvenile Yutyrannus

Please be correct next time

[thorn grove]

Chinese Jack Horner

[jovial girder]

Hi Guys! Wanted to ask why Tylosaurus is not an Apex?

[foggy river]

LOL
honestly its a win win either way for me
if the babby yuty wins then yuty just gets to be my favorite dinosaur

[tough parcel]

And Yutyrannus is now an allosauroid according to Peters et al…

I hope you’re ready for some change!

[ancient crystal]

I imagine leeds will be the apex

[foggy river]

My love of how wacky peters’ phylogeny is is just barely outweighed by not wanting him to be mentioned in polite company /lh

[tough parcel]

It’s ok, apparently his PC is so old that WordPress no longer wishes to work for him

We may be freed yet

[charred hearth]

is it true goats are able to climb any surface above 90 degrees?

[lavish frigate]

Me watching the goat levitate up the wall after I covered it in plastic and soap

[topaz shell]

I don’t think they can go past 90 degrees, pretty sure they can’t climb exactly 90 degrees either, although I might be wrong

[charred hearth]

so they can only do acute angles?

[ancient crystal]

Yes, but about as close to right that an acute angle can get

[charred hearth]

also, whats y'alls thoughts on this?

[ancient crystal]

Both of these people are idiots

[charred hearth]

damn.

why

[topaz shell]

What?

[ancient crystal]

No, seals aren't semi-aquatic because they (according to internet moron 2) spend 1% of their time on land. They are marine mammals, this is disputed by no one.

As for internet moron 1, semi-aquatic isn't terrestrial with extra steps any more than it is aquatic with extra steps.

This trend of people seeing nuance and variation in scientific terms, and pretending that those terms are suddenly now useless is so infuriating. The life sciences are anything but concrete, that doesn't make them unscientific, if you want to be neurotically rigid with basic definitions you were half-taught in middle school, then you should've been a mathematician rather than yap on twitter about crap you don't know.

... this message got a lot more heated than I thought it would.

[light osprey]

If you think about it, seals are just aquatic with extra steps

[thorn grove]

vaguely related but in physics we often have approximations I.E. if a variable v << 1 (meaning much, much less than 1) then the function approaches [whatever], which is valuable in simplifying calculations and helps to make good enough approximations much faster (or in some cases make approximations for things that are provably unsolvable)

mathematicians don't like stuff like that because what is much less than 1 is not defined and can be decided on arbitrarily; and that is the simple consequence of physics being science and not math, even if math is heavily involved

[charred hearth]

these words and conversations are getting more complex and i am not understanding, and not understanding = scary

[thorn grove]

the obvious solution is to make up whatever you want to believe and get mad at people for not agreeing with you

[charred hearth]

oh okay

[ancient crystal]

Herbivory isn't real! Carnivores are actually omnivores because I saw my dog chew some grass!

I rag on this mindset a lot and so do a bunch of other people, to the point where I think its easy to forget these are actual ideas actual human beings have about such key definitions for animal science.

Hell, I presented a poster today on something similar, and my findings call into question the use of Caudal Fin Aspect Ratio as a way to estimate shark activity level (at least in lamniformes). Do I despair at the world, and bemone the lack of rigid applications and rules in my chosen field? No I get excited because suddenly there's all these new variables to explore.

Where's the intrigue? Where's the curiosity? The people, like the two twitter morons that sparked this whole rant, that seem to want to devalue science and its definitions are pathetic and infuriating.

[charred hearth]

im sorry for bringing this pain rage and misery onto you, i didnt know a twitter post would do this to someone 😢

but you be speaking facts, i think, i dont know what your saying but it sounds intellegant and credible so im nodding in agreement like i understand, but im not so sure i do.

[stiff osprey]

I'll say something that will [censored] a lot of people off, but ''terrestrial'' is just aquatic with extra steps 🍵 .

[runic rover]

Huuuuuuhhhhhhh?

Interesting... The implications are big

[ancient crystal]

Peters et al

[paper parcel]

Humanity was never the first civilization, countless have existed and collapsed themselves into extinction, not even on earth.

[balmy oyster]

Is it bad that this is the one time where i can vaguely understand WHY he thinks that

[ancient crystal]

Hmm, where have I heard this before?

[plush fossil]

you always respond to messages with the most random stuff and i think i love it

[paper parcel]

Ancient Aliens(but with irl evidence since there is a star that seems like it has a artificial structure around it)

[paper parcel]

Thanks I just ate 6 chocolate donuts

[stiff osprey]

because the speed of light is finite, if we ever were to see an alien civilization we would be seeing a version of it from thousands of years in the past

this means aliens are paleo media

[wind prairie]

funny how "herbivory isn't real" is so widespread but I don't think I've seen a single person go off about "carnivory isn't real"

[balmy oyster]

It can’t be because tiktok clip of a cow chewing on a dead snake or that one psychotic horse eating baby chicks right in front of its mother

[wind prairie]

it's always that horse... that stupid horse video
if you're going to spit out nonsense at least try and be even and don't make your obvious biases show. Where are the videos of a malnourished lion eating grass???

[thorn grove]

people are obsessed with making herbivores "cool"

which imo is unnecessary because they already are cool, you don't need to pretend they're all perpetually violent omnivores to make that the case

[stiff osprey]

This happens a lot with paleobiology, we find out that formulas for speed estimates will overestimate one animal or that age estimate methods are not 100% reliable and people on discord will go ''well time to throw it away and admit we know nothing'' yeah you can do that I'll continue to use the data we have

[runic rover]

Idk who is it, I am waiting for someone to call in bs or confirm it

[wind prairie]

pretty much. It actually reveals them as even more unliking of herbivores than the people who push tropes they claim to fight against because it implies something can only be cool if it eats meat 🥀

[paper parcel]

But seriously, the jurassic park trope needs to die when it comes to herbivores, especially since most people think just because herbivores don't eat meat doesn't mean they aren't aggro

[thorn grove]

there's a pretty wide area between herbivores waiting around passively for a carnivore to walk over and murder it and herbivores attacking everything in sight and being at constant risk of aneurisms and yet a lot of people still manage to miss it

[stiff osprey]

Don't mess with herbivore fans. We don't know what a herbivore is

[ancient crystal]

David Peters

[paper parcel]

fungivores are kinda peak though

Perhaps this is how one achieves enlightenment?

Wish all dinos in pot could eat mushrooms

[ancient crystal]

"Enlightenment" = psychedelic trip induced by cell respiration being blocked and your brain breaking down at the cellular level along with the rest of your body

[scenic flame]

DRIVE THEM BACK

[brisk estuary]

Imagine the trip that had. To be a slug

[runic heart]

The… huh..?

[tough parcel]

Random you can't say that here

The masses are not enlightened

[paper parcel]

bro has sentience light XD and it expires as soon as it ends

[runic heart]

Nah I got it.

[ancient crystal]

Honestly it is dead, has been dead for a while, and what has replaced it is arguably worse

[runic heart]

Ok is there any actual merit behind this? I’m curious how. Whats the argument.

I mean, obviously it’s not an allosauroid, but what’s any further reasoning besides the crests that it would be?

[winter marsh]

This... thing is the reason we are going crazy and I am all for it

[paper parcel]

Erm actually Herbivores aren't actually herbivores and are hyperaggressive, they also eat people🤓

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[outer tusk]

Sirblameson

[ancient crystal]

Peters should go the extra mile an rename yuty to saurophagnax

[paper parcel]

this will be trex in 2035

[runic heart]

Yes

[paper parcel]

I love sauropods

[ancient crystal]

You forgot the nasal genitalia

[paper parcel]

I love pterosaurs too

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-revolution-survival-tactics-dinotasia-forbidden-fruit-shunosaurus-gif-5643238261362055669

[paper parcel]

What happens when you don't eat your shrooms smh(stego)

[outer tusk]

I feel so bad that the whole stego brain is the size of the walnut only happened because the skull was actually crushed

[quasi path]

@orchid lynx could you show the evidence

[orchid lynx]

vidence suggests Tyrannosaurus rex was likely a capable swimmer, able to traverse rivers and lakes using a "doggy paddle" motion powered by its strong legs. While not as adapted to water as a Spinosaurus, fossilized, claw-like swim traces and hollow, buoyant bones suggest they could navigate aquatic environments when necessary.

[quasi path]

You said there was direct fossil evidence, Which is the direct fossil evidence

[orchid lynx]

you want a picture?

[quasi path]

Picture, the paper, etc

[stiff osprey]

there is no direct evidence that Tyrannosaurus specifically could swim

but there is direct evidence that many other theropods could swim, and T.rex's body shape made it good at floating with its head above water

[orchid lynx]

yes makes sense

[jovial tapir]

If an elephan is able to cross a river, why not a T-Rex? That is my logic.
Still that doesn't mean it was a good swimmer.

[orchid lynx]

look at hippos dont let that fool you while t rex had also hollow bones etc

[quasi path]

We are not actually discussing if rex could swim or not, i agree rex could swim

However, valk is saying rex was a better swimmer than spino

[orchid lynx]

because we know t rex swim but we dont have evidence spino did he was like a Heron a patient lurker

[quasi path]

Then why did it have a paddle tail for, Doesnt mean it was an agile swimmer or the best swimmer

But it was a better swimmer than rex, because it evolved an adaptation for it

[jovial tapir]

Hippos even aren't good swimmers, they just jump in the shallow water to travel, but they don't swim well.

[serene moat]

How'd they find evidence of rex swimming? Fossilised sand?💀

[orchid lynx]

sediments

[stiff osprey]

Spinosaurus would have a harder time floating than rex, because its body isn't as wide and would be less stable in the water. But the higher density of its bones would make it better at sinking and walking underwater like a hippo

[polar rain]

Almost every animal can swim, even camels and elephants

[quasi path]

Yeah, swimming

[orchid lynx]

well they look so fat and can swim 😄

[serene moat]

Fr that's what I mean, so many ppl act like 1 thing is only specific for rex like it's Thor or smth😭

[stiff osprey]

Also, Spino's tail is more efficient at swimming than any other theropod's, although less efficient than crocodiles or sharks

[quasi path]

That is What we are saying basically

[orchid lynx]

does the Sail helped Spino in anyway? @serene moat we just discussing rex also won the title of king back so we can give spino the aquatic point 😄

[stiff osprey]

basically Spino is bad at swimming like a duck but it's probably better at swimming like a hippo

[orchid lynx]

but could he dive too?

[quasi path]

Rex didnt have a title of king 😭

[charred hearth]

rex never lost the title of king*

[stiff osprey]

The sail would make it easy to tip over underwater, and probably slow at turning, since it can't fold the sail back like a sailfish. But if it ran on the bottom like a hippo then it probably could stay stable by keeping its feet on the sediment

[polar rain]

Pretty much every dinosaur could swim too, even sauropod idk who would think that

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-life-is-a-lie-shocked-gif-17981657

[orchid lynx]

Yes hes the Biggest theropod with the strongest biteforce and big Bertha and Goliath are probably the biggest Theropods ever found. Watch vividen on YT or other paleontologsits

[charred hearth]

i always hear alot of negatives and positives about vividen

[tough parcel]

I fear we found the Vividen plant

[thorn grove]

isn't bertha smaller than sue

[stiff osprey]

Spino probably preferred water that was deep enough to submerge most of the body, but shallow enough to keep the sail out, since having the sail fully underwater would increase the effort of moving around

[orchid lynx]

T rex breathing fire soon i see that xD

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[thorn grove]

my biggest criticism of vividen himself is that his videos are cringe

i have noticed many annoying vividen fans however

[charred hearth]

damn

[tough parcel]

The problem w/ Vividen is he actively encourages and thus thrives off of "NEXT BIG THEROPOD" and it's a fragment the size of your pinkie

[stiff osprey]

rex is just built different

[orchid lynx]

argument?

[thorn grove]

about?

[balmy oyster]

that is what I have been saying

[charred hearth]

edge science son or vividen daughter

[outer tusk]

ew why would you want a EDGE son

[orchid lynx]

Guys what you say to the fossil of the Acrocanthosaurus who probably leaped to a Sauroposeidon?

[charred hearth]

whats wrong edge science??

[balmy oyster]

Spinosaurus isn’t a croc or a heron.

it’s a hippo.

[stiff osprey]

big ahh font

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-sponge-bob-mermaid-man-mermaid-man-gif-5477357

[orchid lynx]

would be very cool if spino get like a big jump out of the water like a hippo

[quasi path]

Goliath is Not a reliable specimen again

Also allat just to get bodied by triceratops, or torosaurus

[balmy oyster]

The prints are real, but from what we know it wasn’t really that much of an active chase and the prints likely didn’t fossilise properly at one part or got washed away

[outer tusk]

nah trust

[ancient crystal]

And with this comment I realize I dislike both sides of this arguement

[orchid lynx]

did you know wich i mean ? 😄

[quasi path]

Okay? 😭

[orchid lynx]

dont need Sue is big enough but Big Bertha seems way bigger

[outer tusk]

speaking of acro "vs" sauro, I was gonna draw the footprint based on this and I was wonder which lion should the acro be?

[ancient crystal]

"Gets bodied-" stops listening to whatever the person has to say

[balmy oyster]

The bottom one.

[foggy river]

what are vividens scientific publications id love to see them

[orchid lynx]

Agreed with you here

[thorn grove]

tbf he usually links sources on his videos

[quasi path]

Aint that what happens, If a Herbivore cannot run it stands its ground

Its obvious triceratops had the advantage on a Front on front fight, while Rex had to ambush, bodied is just an exageration

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-headache-dead-inside-head-bang-squidward-gif-16462670

[outer tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027294473627111426/1284979380485099530/togif.gif

[balmy oyster]

If you only trust scientific publications then bahariasaurus is a noasaur, gilmorelarsontyrannus is real, those weird rhabdodont skulls are “valid”, and there are only two allosaurus species

[orchid lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_BlpWsyV24 i like this guy he had also a video where he talked about the leap or the footprints disappearing and reaappear on the sauroposeidon

[foggy river]

i didnt imply that all publications are valid, i was just being obnoxious
easy to mix them up tho lol

[tough parcel]

Guys everyone be quiet, Randomdinos is deconstructing the Acrocanthosaurus prints

[thorn grove]

It's kind of a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, but most paleontologists don't actually care that much about whether T. rex or Giga was 5 nanograms heavier on average. Most papers that come out relating to mass estimates are publishing entirely new methodology for doing so with a handful of example masses provided; but because these methods are new the estimates made by them are often unrefined.

[balmy oyster]

Ah okay lol

[orchid lynx]

im hiped

[stiff osprey]

Actually i'm explaining the Triceratops bodies T.rex thing since everyone else just tried to kill Pizza with their mind

[tough parcel]

Oh my God, he might actually be

Oh

[jagged trellis]

me to the mirror:

[balmy oyster]

Well it makes more sense than edmusthosaurus so I allow it

[orchid lynx]

just look at the ripcage and bones t rex was much heaver also had a stronger biteforce then giga.

[foggy river]

ill kill pizza with my hands cmere

[serene moat]

trike>rex front on, rex>trike in ambush

[thorn grove]

giga doesn't have a histology tmk so it may not be skeletally mature, its mass overlaps with many early adult t rex

[tough parcel]

It was calmly walking and continued calmly walking

They were made in a short time window
But short could be like
6 hours+ ```

[quasi path]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[foggy river]

thats because its jumped OVER the sauropod

[stiff osprey]

To explain why people hate this argument:

Fights to the death between predator and prey almost always end with the predator winning. The reason predators fail most of the time in nature is because they don't want to risk dying, even if rex wins the fight it might just bleed out from a horn injury later and rex knows that. Cases of a predator actually being killed by its prey are incredibly rare to nonexistant, because the predator just won't engage if it's spotted too early/the prey is too big/etc

[balmy oyster]

Oh no please don’t say that. Don’t make people go “oh em gee its not fully grown??????”

[orchid lynx]

The Trackway Evidence (Paluxy River, Texas): In 1938, paleontologist Roland T. Bird discovered 113-million-year-old tracks in Texas showing a large sauropod being followed by a large theropod, likely Acrocanthosaurus.
The "Leaping" Interpretation: Some interpretations of these tracks suggest the Acrocanthosaurus tracks disappear and reappear further ahead, with the sauropod's footprints showing a sudden shift in weight, hinting that the predator may have made a desperate leap onto the back or side of the massive sauropod.
Alternative Explanations: Many paleontologists are skeptical that a 5-to-6-ton, 40-foot-long Acrocanthosaurus could jump in the air to attack. Instead, the tracking data more likely suggests a long, sustained pursuit where the predator was harassing or trailing the sauropod, targeting a young, sick, or weakened individual rather than leaping onto a healthy adult.

[outer tusk]

"Brachiosaurus" nougaredi

[thorn grove]

giga could have been 30 tons!!!

[ancient crystal]

All I'll say about the trackways is why the hell are we entertaining this when its fossilized muddy footprints?

Would it not be far simpler to assume some of the footprints simply did not fossilize?

[orchid lynx]

but rex survived missing braincasts and broken necks

[outer tusk]

WE yes WE actually like we can't be entertained by some trackways

[balmy oyster]

Acro mario jumped over the sauropod causing it to implode

[tough parcel]

Tbf it's a complete trackway with one missing print

But also I don't think anyone thought that the ocean might've reached the one print and washed it away considering IIRC the idea is the area was a mudflat of some kind

[foggy river]

tbh i think in these discussions 'wins' makes a lot more sense when it's 'didnt get eaten'

[craggy trench]

I’ll win a fight Cmere

[orchid lynx]

there are fotos of the tracks fossilized ive seen them @balmy oyster you make fun but we dont knew so much about dinosaur we maybe we think we do

[outer tusk]

screw it there was a kronosaurus there in the print as well

[light osprey]

Somehow brachiosaurus ended up in Tibet or something

[balmy oyster]

As someone who lives close to the ocean, it will sometimes send a really powerful wave that goes further than normal for no reason then pretend that never happened

[jagged trellis]

how did this go from spleen swimming to AvA slop

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, but generally that's not how the person saying "wins" intended to be understood.

[stiff osprey]

The injuries we see in rex are the result of fights with other rexes, not with its prey. We currently don't have any injuries on rex that are confirmed to come from trike/anky/edmont

[balmy oyster]

no means of pride, but judging by your knowledge you don’t seem to know that much about dinosaur physiology to begin with either

[outer tusk]

Tunisia

[foggy river]

yeah thats kinda my point tho, that thats not necessarily how it makes sense biologically so its weird to frame discussions that way if theyre sincere

[quasi path]

And toro survived also a Rex bite on the face,

It doesnt mean rex is weak, just means both could endure and survive, however they wouldnt risk it

[tough parcel]

Exactly

I'm suddenly wondering why this very simple solution was never proposed...evidence that the paleontologist is something?

[orchid lynx]

oh i thought anky was the only dino t rex never touched thanks

[undone rapids]

Acro this, Sauro that.

Here's some actually cool footprint, a family of 5 abelisaurs moving together

[ancient crystal]

The ocean is actually a sentient feature of the world that really likes destroying impressions in the ground

[thorn grove]

I've heard of a rex femur that has a puncture mark that fits with a trike horn but never looked into it

[balmy oyster]

Bad news about the whole “anky was never hunted by rex!!” thing…

[foggy river]

theres a difference between 'never touched' and 'no evidence of surviving combat wounds

[orchid lynx]

Nanotyrannus spotted @quasi path

[tough parcel]

That's cause we have like 5 Ankylosaurus, none of which are complete and 2 of which are like...only the clubs 😭

Kind of a small sample size to get injuries from

[stiff osprey]

Anky is the only large herbivore that hasn't been found with rex bite marks, but that's because Anky is a very rare animal

yeah what falcon said

[ancient crystal]

Well then the discussions are typically not sincere

[foggy river]

we never saw one with bite marks that means rex never touched it. thats just science smh

[light osprey]

Famous for its frigid mountain peaks

[orchid lynx]

makes sense

[thorn grove]

this is the consequence of having like 100 times as many triceratops as ankylosaurus

the number of triceratops specimens with evidence of predation is low enough that not having evidence of it in anky is the expected situation even if predation rates were identical

[serene moat]

Nah anky just goated like that

[tough parcel]

We have an Albertosaurus with a bullet break, does this mean that the hadrus had guns...

[outer tusk]

denver jumpscare

[undone rapids]

We do have a rex with osteoderms in stomach contents iirc, also a trachia with maybe injury from tarbo on its skull

[jagged trellis]

( don't we have a tarch that almost certainly has a bite injury) on the large ankylosaurs bit

[foggy river]

would guns fossilize... ...

[orchid lynx]

yea could rex bite through an ankylosaur?

[balmy oyster]

Likely, anky armour wasn’t inpenetrable

[tough parcel]

Are you referring to "Dynamosaurus" or is stomach contents T. rex a game of telephone?

[jagged trellis]

yeah
which is why they got wide
like sea turtles and tiger sharks
why have a waste for blocking it fully vs just deflecting and it being more viable animal wise

[thorn grove]

the head or neck probably yea

which also just so happens to be the area least easily defended by its tail club given they had limited flexibility

[stiff osprey]

It's really hard for anything to destroy a singular footprint while leaving the ones in front and behind it intact, the ocean is strong but it's not a precision tool

My best guess for how a print could vanish is there was a rock under that bit of mud and the foot didn't imprint as deep, but that would require someone who actually understands rocks

[undone rapids]

Yeah Dyamo was prob it

[outer tusk]

Dynamosaurus

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-gif-17217568857505825610

[orchid lynx]

Evidently im correct tho.

[balmy oyster]

Every time a soul learns ankylosaur wasn’t inpenetrable tyrannosaurus killing machine and would have been predated like everything else, an angel regrows its wings

[thorn grove]

everyone knows ankylosaurus evolved to be invincible simply for the sake of being cool

[stiff osprey]

Also to be honest I haven't seen a photo of the missing track in like years I don't remember what it looks like anymore

[foggy river]

idr where but a few folks have discussed it and footprints seem to not be great at uniformly staying intact or sth
im no footologist tho

[balmy oyster]

It looks like two dinosaurs walking

I hope this helps

[jagged trellis]

one day people will realize nothing is immune to predation, just shrimply fatter, faster or stealthier for it
or insularism

[tough parcel]

Footprints are also a poor predictor of actual speed

You can get the maximum speed of an animal but that is rarely the speed they were actually traveling at

[orchid lynx]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/62657614

[balmy oyster]

Or in the case of edmonto

Have the same survival tactic of a sardine

[undone rapids]

Denversaurus was also never hunted by Rex as it was too scary

[ancient crystal]

Must be lots of wingless angels walking around then

[light osprey]

We can only hope at least once we found a trackway where they were in fact moving at the maximum speed

[tough parcel]

No because I hate you!

[balmy oyster]

Yes we must spread the truth

[orchid lynx]

maybe it didnt taste

[foggy river]

edmontosaurus could demolish t rex but only when popular opinion swayed his way

[craggy trench]

Alright grandma that’s enough paleo for you today

[thorn grove]

if every edmontosaurus in hell creek ganged up to smother a t rex to death they would probably win

[balmy oyster]

Dakotaraptor survived trex by animorphing into a turtle when scared and escaping into the swamp

[jagged trellis]

ah yes the humble sardine, overpowering foes in musth...

[foggy river]

they all vibrated at high frequency and overheated the rex

[orchid lynx]

thats it

[tough parcel]

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsbl/article/21/6/20250191/236046/Speed-from-fossil-trackways-calculations-not
TLDR is that trackways on compliant surfaces (so all fossilized ones) can only predict the maximum possible speed for the trackway (which is usually a huge overestimate of actual speed). Everything else like gait, cadence, time on site, actual speed, etc is impossible to know

[stiff osprey]

pretty sure that's a different track, none of them is missing

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cage-nicolas-not-the-bees-gif-14420748

[orchid lynx]

but youve seen them or? there are more pictures actually you see the tracks go further

[foggy river]

the most likely answer is usually the boring one
something hitched a ride on a sauropod yeehaw
or
a blob on the dirt didnt fossilize properly

[stiff osprey]

I saw them in a paper once years ago

[balmy oyster]

The two were good friends and having a little bit of funny time

[foggy river]

do you think theyd let someone taste them
just real fast

[orchid lynx]

same ive seen them on clint reptiles youtube video