paleontology

[charred hearth]

were any large icthyosaurs filter feeders or nah?

[jovial granite]

Oh 😭

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-yes-no-indecision-the-grinch-gif-15678946

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/bighorn-sheep-katav-mountain-dew-combat-fight-gif-12410499907194562754

[ancient crystal]

(I'm too lazy to look it up rn)

[charred hearth]

i wonder if this man gained brain damage from this

[jovial granite]

Brain turned into soup

[gleaming talon]

Siphonophores

[charred hearth]

assuming the animals we are comparing are the SAME size

what would give you more brain damage from a headbutt, a big horn sheep or a headbutt from pachyceph?

[ancient crystal]

Ok, so, responding to the Union Jack reaction

In another discord I'm in I have an ongoing feud with a british person where all they do is spam my messages with Union Jacks and I throw various period-accurate revolutionary insults at them. I had an actual fit when I saw that reaction on this gif because I thought it was the fiendish cur following me into other servers.

[gleaming talon]

Im more worried about the fact your skull would split open or cave in

[charred hearth]

well, does his skull looked cave in?

[gleaming talon]

Get an egg and hit it with a hammer

[charred hearth]

arent goats notorious for being really good headbutters?

i know this is AvA, but who do you guys would believe in a headbutting spar?

both animals will be the same size and weight to make it more equal

a bighorn sheep or a pachy? im basically asking, whos built better for absorbing head truama and opposing headbutts?

[outer tusk]

Man o wars are just drifters Literally

[balmy oyster]

Just an observation, but pachy’s domes are just their skulls. There’s no antlers or horns absorbing the force, they use their craniums head-on pun intended for fighting.

At least with rams & other ungulates, they can absorb a lot of the force with their horns which are usually exaggerated and depending on the species can regrow sufficiently and repair previous damages

[ancient crystal]

Not really sure if pachy would be doing the ram thing like a lot of media presents it, I could see it leaning more towards them kinda hitting each other up close. Not sure what studies have been done on the subject

[warped peak]

Pachycephalosaurs are actually pretty bad at absorbing shock, and Pachy even amongst them is no standout

[stiff osprey]

The round domed pachys probably didn't hit like rams as the heads would just glance off eachother. We do have evidence that they used the heads as weapons but probably not full charge frontal headbutt like rams do

[ancient crystal]

Another dinosaur ruined by paleontology 😔

[stiff osprey]

Counterpoint, pachyceph fights were probably a lot deadlier than ram fights. Since the rest of the body doesn't have any protection, if you hit anywhere other than the dome it's going to hurt

[warped peak]

Terrible reference

But Estemmenosuchus was about on par with Pachy in terms of shock absorption IIRC

[ancient crystal]

That reminds me of the deer I saw today with a broken leg and now I'm sad

[charred hearth]

awe 🙁

[ancient crystal]

Tbf I live in delaware, there is literally not a single predator around to take advantage of it

[charred hearth]

oh

[stone cradle]

Lowk forgot Delaware

[charred hearth]

i feel like delaware, maine and maryland are some of the most forgettable states

[ancient crystal]

Well see, you can at least name them unlike the midwestern nobodies

[stone cradle]

That hurts

[ancient crystal]

Perfectly flat box states like the suburban hellscapes that consume america

[stone cradle]

Anyway, is there a possibility that pachy also used its dome to attract mates, as in colourful displays?

[paper parcel]

Permian my beloved

[balmy oyster]

I only remember maine because it’s always associated with lobsters and I like crustaceans

[charred hearth]

if hatz in the top 10 lighest animals in PoT?

[gleaming talon]

Yes hatz only weighs like 300 kg at most

[ancient crystal]

Pretty sure its 500 but I could be wrong

[charred hearth]

dosent pachy weigh more then it? ( On a good day )

[wind prairie]

also idk how much water this holds but wasn't there something going to come out that pachycephalosaurs may have kicked each other by standing on their tails ala kangaroo

[queen oar]

yup

[ancient crystal]

Oh hey, its that thing. The thing the mods already deleted once and clearly don't want on this family discord

[charred hearth]

why are we suprised, he dates and marries his 19 yr old students

[wind prairie]

oh

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, its bad, but we have to remember there's children on this discord.

Hell there was someone here last night calling us unc for remembering the early 2010s

[warped peak]

Working on Bruhathkay scaling finally

[charred hearth]

hows it going?

[tough parcel]

They are lovers

[polar rain]

They dont have lips to kis eachother noo 🥺

[ancient crystal]

WES, DOWNSIZE BRUHATHKAY TO <50 TONS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[polar rain]

Cloacal kissing dont count shut up

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-gif-25252316

[tough parcel]

Why has everyone decided Maraapunisaurus is not to be talked about while Bruh is still circulating every other day

[ancient crystal]

Why?

Why would you say this?

What would ever possess you to type these words?

[polar rain]

Actually yes it does i chabged my mind love islove

[charred hearth]

whats the material that maraa has? i always wondered

[tough parcel]

Is it because Bruh has photos so it automatically becomes a “I can fix him” situation? 😭

Maraa and Bruh have no material, all relevant bones turned to dust

[polar rain]

Its 4am and i wwas too scared to sleep 🥺

[ancient crystal]

The bruhathkay wiki mentions maraa almost as much as it mentions the sauropod its supposed to be talking about.

Mostly to further the wiki page's agenda to make argentinosaurus not the largest sauropod. It honestly reads like it was written by Raging Triceratops.

[charred hearth]

you are going to summon him.

[thorn grove]

it was a partial vertebra

[ancient crystal]

He's already here, he was here the second wes started typing, he's just lying in wait

[tough parcel]

These animals are literally in the same position in terms of material and yet for some reason, Bruhath keeps getting rescaled 🥀

[thorn grove]

it almost feels like everyone finally collectively gave up on bothering to give maraa an exact size but maybe im not looking in the right places

[ancient crystal]

Its harder to pronounce, and therefore makes it sound more obscure and thus more useful for the "um actually argentinosaurus isn't the largest " crowd

[warped peak]

I have no clue what to expect here. they are very different proportioned

[thorn grove]

it looks large ngl

[ancient crystal]

That's what they want you to think

[paper parcel]

"Its only a juvenile"

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/bigmonster-gif-27277321

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruhathkayosaurus

Genuinely the worst wiki article I've read in recent memory

[polar rain]

I used to think cloverfield was a mmouse am i crazy cus nobody has made this comparison yet

[ancient crystal]

Its like.

The least rat thing that could ever be compared to a rat.

Do you- do you know what a rat looks like?

[thorn grove]

it like contradicts itself in multiple places and just doesn't even encompass what wiki articles normally do

[polar rain]

I meant mouse 🥺

[ancient crystal]

Tbf I'm pretty selective with what wiki articles I read, let alone which ones I even consider gathering information from.

Reading something that would usually fall outside my narrow searching was an eye opener

[thorn grove]

wikipedia is not great no, especially for size estimates but size estimates have been so all over the place for so long for so many dinosaurs that it's not really a surprise

[ancient crystal]

Lots of shark stuff on wikipedia is pretty good (its actually more up to date than the Chondrichthyan Tree of Life website)

[thorn grove]

wikipedia is like B tier ig as a source, like far from perfect but there's so much trash out there that it can be decent

[ancient crystal]

Journalists discover ontogenetic niche partitioning, more at 1:30 where they discuss in even greater detail how, "Dolphins and Whales have crossed the evolutionary point of no return to walk on land again"

[balmy oyster]

Tbf that is kind of weird but sharks also replace teeth like mags so it can be made sensible at one point the replacement teeth change for different prey items

[ancient crystal]

And before a certain Kangaroo or Parrot gets mad at me and angrily taps the paleontology only sign, great whites are from the miocene so hah

[craggy trench]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-titans-kaperoo-po-t-gif-23488708

[paper parcel]

Potoos have been around since the beginning of the cenozoic

[ancient crystal]

Sentenced to playing one minute of cry about sarco simulator

[warped peak]

Good news, "tibia" bruhath is not big at all

At most 15 tons

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[stiff osprey]

The known femur fragment is still more or less Argent sized (smaller by 2 cm), so it is one of the biggest

Just not ''2m tibia'' big

[warped peak]

it is however a hot mess

[queen oar]

what if it just has long legs? Some Titanosaurs do tend to have that

[stiff osprey]

we don't know the length of the femur, only that it is similar in width to argentinosaurus

[warped peak]

It does!

But Isis has a proportionally short neck on behalf of being small so it's probably bigger than depicted

[stiff osprey]

so if it had long legs or not is irrelevant to the size estimate

[queen oar]

yeah

[warped peak]

@fluid inlet the only person here with heavy investment in Bruhath

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-homelander-let's-light-this-candle-gif-7545171369168299501

[runic heart]

This is Bruh using isi proportions?

[warped peak]

Yes, an animal from the same locale, time, and bone shape

[queen oar]

Do you want an idea?

[fluid inlet]

Don’t ping me while my girlfriend is cursing me out

[runic heart]

How heavy is it with this scaling?

[warped peak]

I have Jainosaurus scaled to match if you want

[stiff osprey]

we don't have a mass est for Isis to scale up to it i don't think

[fluid inlet]

Little short ass argent

[queen oar]

do the Isisaurus proportions for the body, tail the same way, but replaced the cervicals with Alamosaurus cervicals.

[warped peak]

That was actually the plan for more proper skeletal end stuff, more or less

[charred hearth]

can u scale bruhathk to being a Turiasauriam

[warped peak]

on second thought these are not compatible at all

[charred hearth]

make it a Turiasaurian!!!!

[fluid inlet]

These guys went from who cares about the Indian titan sauropod to making hypnotical sizes , I’m flabbergasted

[stiff osprey]

hypnotical sizes

[warped peak]

I was tired about everyone defending blue whale sized Kallamedu so I decided to actually be the one to disprove it and as rigorously as possible

[queen oar]

yup

[lean pebble]

two screenies from dino fest(many more else where) look at the size of those heads

[fluid inlet]

I’ll be waiting on the paper, these sizes are as legit as astronauts going to the moon. # didn’t happen

[stiff osprey]

oh hey that's Boris the teratophoneus

[warped peak]

I'll scale the weight whenever I get around to modeling it for a mod

[lean pebble]

oh btw theres a new rex species likely to be published maybe in june but no promises i found this out by the paleo that dug it out at dino fest

[ancient crystal]

New Tyrannosaurus species, revaluation of mcraeensis, or a new species of tyrannosaur?

[lean pebble]

New new hasn't been described or published yet

[fluid inlet]

Biggest theropod ever found was Rex cousin but bigger !!! Stronger and meaner in 1,2,3

[ancient crystal]

This only answers the middle question

[sullen cairn]

i always forget how small kosmoceratops' fenestrae are

[lean pebble]

Its a brand new species, i tried getting the name but a las they wouldn't give it, same with the other 8 new ceratopsian species

[fluid inlet]

Ok grandpa time to go to sleep

[craggy trench]

I didn’t know there was a Pleasedonottouchasarus

[lean pebble]

smh nah thats a rex, i got see him more in detail later on

[balmy oyster]

please do not the boris

[gleaming talon]

Speaking of hypno

[balmy oyster]

It was funny the first time

[gleaming talon]

Wait in thoery could you hypnotise a tyrannosaurus by drawing a line infront of its face
Because that would make jurassic world far safer

[balmy oyster]

No because a tyrannosaurus is not a chicken. Hope this helps

[gleaming talon]

Just because it wasnt a chicken doesnt meant it wouldnt work
And that doesnt work on any chickens I’ve owned

[stiff osprey]

from what i've seen this experiment requires you to grab the chicken and force its head to the ground

which at that point it's probably doing it because you grabbed it not because there was a line in the ground

also all the sources for it are sites named sht like ''howtodohypnosis.com''

[gleaming talon]

So in theory by using robert wadlow we could make a nanotyrannus freeze

[balmy oyster]

I mean there are videos of people doing this, and the moment a line IS drawn in front of it, the chicken immediately chills out until the line is erased in which it goes back to freaking out

[gleaming talon]

No if you press the head down it can trigger a fear response to avoid predators seeing them the freeze like that the line is usually just timed i think via coincidence

[balmy oyster]

Ah. That does make sense, & when the line is erased it could just be sudden movement triggering the chicken’s fight or flight again

[gleaming talon]

Yeah they realise that the freeze response isnt working and they will try to run
If that doesn’t work then they may try to fight

[balmy oyster]

Honestly L take

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[balmy oyster]

The whole comment was just “lol people getting mad ahahaha, just look at crocodiles lolz!!!!” Completely ignoring that crocodiles don’t actually do anything 90% of the time + are super specialized animals with effectively no proper dental tissue, and just because a clade is super extensive is a claim that has the same amount of reasoning saying the opposite to what you were arguing

At least they didn’t compare the teeth to elephant tusks. Somehow even worse than the crocodile comparison. 😵‍💫

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[balmy oyster]

is this ragebait

[fluid inlet]

Thumbs up is rage bait? Wtf

[gleaming talon]

Also makes little sense as birds and non avian dinosaurs are closer then non avian dinosaurs are to crocodilians

[balmy oyster]

and even then, birds are their own bizarre specialized animal that diverged all the way from the Jurassic & only started getting into the whole toothless bill thing later on

[gleaming talon]

Yeah heck crocodiliforms once would have had lips

[sudden wind]

This is scary

[frigid delta]

any news abt Angaturama?

[charred hearth]

does the wwd 2013 pachyrhino still hold up today?

[paper parcel]

it does look cute.

[charred hearth]

the way the jw sino stole the frill holes 😭

[outer tusk]

I hate JW sinoceratops

[jagged trellis]

jw sino was supposed to be pachyrhino until the chinese market demands ( and the whole pachy word drama and thats how we got stiggy) and even then its a pug and a half

[charred hearth]

honestly, you gotta admit, jurassic world did make sino alot more popular

[fossil ingot]

I like his brother
Scowler
Also I love how every pachyrino in the movie has a different frill

[full lagoon]

The movie is quite good in a lot of ways, especially in such details

[tulip dove]

Bulldust also looked really cool
The designs were awesome

[charred hearth]

sadly it gave birth to this abomination :/

[fossil ingot]

Hey
Leave my Boys Angel and Rebel alone

[full lagoon]

I've only ever watched the voiced version though because that's all I had, I am curious about how different the other version would feel

[charred hearth]

was there ever a reason on why they had to live in the artic biome?

[full lagoon]

Because literally nothing else existed there

[tulip dove]

It feels SO MUCH better without the voices
However it still contains the really stupid scenes like the weird first interaction between Juniper and Patchi with the dumb music
And also the whole rewind scene during
The Gorgo hunt scene especially felt like actual cinema without the voices

[fossil ingot]

Yeah he is

Tho Scowler
Man I love his Head

[queen oar]

I like JW Sinoceratops

[charred hearth]

what species of pachyrhino were they btw?

[tulip dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdiLro3RCfI&pp=ygUqd2Fsa2luZyB3aXRoIGRpbm9zYXVycyAzZCBnb3Jnb3NhdXJ1cyBodW50

[full lagoon]

how does one find this version

[fossil ingot]

Not tmk
Prob has to be how Mantah Corp was testing the resistance of this Dinos
Hence why Spino was on the Desert

[queen oar]

I think you spend money?

[fossil ingot]

No idea
Tho given this Gorgosaurus are now meant to be Nanuqsuarus
It gives an Idea

[tough parcel]

Keep in mind:

There's a WWD:3D cut w/ Benedict Cucumberpatch narrating (I'll try to find it)

[queen oar]

When we will get a WWD:3D cut w/ Gualicho narrating it?

[tulip dove]

You got either the nature documentary with a narrator or the cretaceous cut with no talking at all (which is included in the Blueray version)
The nature documentary version is on youtube iirc

[runic rover]

same with disney dinosaur man, why did they feel the need to make them talk??

[charred hearth]

disney dinosaur is different

[fossil ingot]

I forgot which version was the one that replaces Gorgo with Nanuqsuaurus

[tough parcel]

https://youtu.be/1mGh7YYuLns

[queen oar]

Scanova Fluff Account, what a name

[charred hearth]

the way the movie is season 0 of prehestoric planet...

[tough parcel]

Perhaps we should split the Acrocanthus

[tulip dove]

Well, Disney's Dinosaur was more so aimed at kids, so having them talk would make it easier for children to understand it and such
Tho them giving Iguanodons lips is still a choice

[charred hearth]

wait
that texturing is lowkey really good

[ashen wedge]

The hole part was due to injury for Patchy

[tough parcel]

Tbf, Disney's Dinosaur works rlly well with voices because you can tell it was intended to have voices from the start

WWD:3D was because execs thought it would market to kids better w/ voices so they added it in the last few months of production iirc

[charred hearth]

yeah, a troodon bit it as a baby

[sudden wind]

Non sense

[ashen wedge]

Not to mention, the weirder visual jokes and humans in the plot

[tulip dove]

WWD 3d was meant to be a documentary first
Pretty sure Fox just came and decided that none of that and have voices instead

[stiff osprey]

the worst part is they have beaks in the movie, but there are lips on top of the beak...

[charred hearth]

i still have no clue why they had the baby pachyrhino get shat on 😭

[ashen wedge]

Cause vfx was done last minute

[tulip dove]

Wait what

[tough parcel]

It's ok because turtles have this arrangement too

[charred hearth]

chapstick can save them.

[stiff osprey]

when the iguanodons open their mouths you can see one solid sheet of bone instead of teeth. that's the beak

[tulip dove]

I thought that was some weird ass tooth arrangement 😭

[tough parcel]

That's not at all why 😭

The voices were

The visuals were...done throughout the movie's production

[ashen wedge]

Fair, but I think there are some parts that were added in last minute, like Patchy meeting his girl as babies

[queen oar]

What happened to that Stellasaurus you talked about weeks ago?

[tough parcel]

Ceratopsid 💔

@ashen wedge Animation itself takes time so I don't doubt it was a voiceless documentary with a plot but the addition of voices is confirmed to have been last minute

[charred hearth]

the way this came out before wwd2013 and lowkey had the same premise

[queen oar]

Me when Gualicho became a washed paleoartist.

[ashen wedge]

Let me believe that the executives destroyed the movie

[charred hearth]

i wonder, why does no one speak about march of the dinosaurs? it was like, a okay documentary

[ancient crystal]

Gualicho catching strays

[queen oar]

@tough parcel but like, what is the problem? The head?

[tough parcel]

Tbf there's a ton of dino docs out there that are pretty good but never talked about because not controversial enough or not "good" enough (The comparison is PrePlanet)

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/march-of-the-dinosaurs-2011-wide-eyed-entertainment-nature-documentary-prognathodon-gif-10792905787866258096

does anyone remember the flying albertosaurus from march of the dinosaurs

[ashen wedge]

Cause the Albertosaurus was jumping to fight the Green Goblin

[queen oar]

@tough parcel How washed do you think this Triceratops head is? ( LMFAO )

[tough parcel]

Whole lotta wrinkles on that boy there

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/march-of-the-dinosaurs-2011-wide-eyed-entertainment-albertosaurus-tyrannosaurids-gif-7829840356256217830

[ashen wedge]

The Canadian side of Life is a pathway to abilities that some consider to be unnatural

[tough parcel]

Honestly we just need to bring back this sort of writing style in documentaries

Give me the gravitas and dramatics of old docs if you're not gonna change the presenting style

[rancid dove]

https://giphy.com/gifs/natgeochannel-shark-national-geographic-sharkfest-nI22RJ7hr0B03Qakr5

[queen oar]

tbh I think that was and still is the only thing that can save a dinosaur documentary

[charred hearth]

anything but history on the history channel

[tough parcel]

That's Nat Geo...

Also I agree, dinosaur docs lack the solid foundation of "we can observe (X) animal doing this" so might as well make the speculation fun

[queen oar]

like visuals aside, if your documentary fails to make the viewer engaged on following that one Dinosaur individual the episode centers around... You cooked.

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-campbell-frustrated-disappointed-angry-annoyed-gif-15742777906185929131

[tulip dove]

Even tho it might not be the greatest when it comes to the overall visuals and such, it's still such a good documentary
One of my favorites out there

[queen oar]

oh no, you see, that's Nat Geo as some said, if it was History Channel it would be talking about conspiracy theories around WW2

[tough parcel]

Honestly fr

MotD is rewatchable because it's entertaining and even without rigorous visuals, it still presents (at the time) up-to-date information

PrePlanet is great visually but after the first or second watch (or episode), you just start getting sleepy

[charred hearth]

gigantosaurus was actually behind it because it didnt want spino to take 2nd place from it because thats all it has in life because otherwise its just a bum who's popularity comes from people confusing it with mapu

[sudden wind]

Falcon, draw Megalodon now

[ancient crystal]

Dinosaur Apocalypse with Gregory S. Paul coming soon to Netflix and the History Channel

[queen oar]

which one? The Clam? C. megalodon, C. megalodon or O. megalodon?

[charred hearth]

beautiful creature

[ancient crystal]

Aerial

[sudden wind]

C. C. and M. are the same

[queen oar]

I know. Just different concepts and different ideas.

also, Megalodon is transgender because of that.

[charred hearth]

!?

[rancid dove]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TheAvenue-Film-josh-lucas-the-black-demon-movie-GSVJPnISyMvZWED2v5

[ancient crystal]

The most extraordinary leap of logic

[queen oar]

It changed to the genera it found the most comfortable with.

[charred hearth]

jumping the shark? ❌

jumping the perecetus? ✅

[ancient crystal]

No I think its simply that lamniform taxonomy is a trainwreck

[tough parcel]

https://fixupx.com/historydefined/status/2017432807291732430

Guys be quiet, new just dropped

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[queen oar]

Yeah, but that is a boring interpretation.

@ancient crystal You sound sad today.

[compact leaf]

erm that’s not paleo 🤓

[tough parcel]

Erm, what if someone animated it as a Velociraptor

Leaving it here for that reference!

[charred hearth]

on the topic of cuttlefish, whats the most up to date reconstruction of Tusoteuthis?

[sudden wind]

Probably stuffs like this (?)

[serene sedge]

These are some fairly good reconstructions of the animal, Tusoteuthis is a specimen of Enchoteuthis making the giant squid analog both inaccurate and invalid.

[sudden wind]

Here is a close relative: Muensterella

[queen oar]

@tough parcel Would you had Fried Chicken? It's paleo-related, it's a Dinosaur.

[tough parcel]

Yea, it's good food

[queen oar]

What about uuuuuuuuh... Fried Ostrich?

[charred hearth]

its so cute

does anyone know how the cuttlefish and giant squid interpretations spawned?

[tough parcel]

IIRC the giant squid interpretations started from rumors of a "Triassic Kraken" which turned out to be made up

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia is the goat of these listed.

[full lagoon]

Yeah it flies in the game

[warped peak]

Cuttlefish is just a more stylized interpretation of the Muensterella type body plan IIRC

[charred hearth]

would it have the ability to make a ink cloud or nah?

[warped peak]

Probably?

[serene sedge]

I mean yeah it’s a cephalopod

[ionic crescent]

March of the Dinosaurs, epic

[paper parcel]

Could permian animals survive today?

[stiff osprey]

In terms of atmosphere, yes, given some time to acclimate they'd prob be fine

[paper parcel]

A permian park would be cooler and safer anyways lols

Although gorgonopsids and anteosaurus might be a problem

[balmy oyster]

I mean we found out how to contain tigers & lions so we can definitely find a way to deal with those two

[warped peak]

Admittedly Anteosaurus is a lot bigger than any lions

Though Bears are a fair argument

[stiff osprey]

Nah Anteosaurus would easily break out of a bear enclosure thanks to its wide head

[paper parcel]

Hippo sized trex, if they can contain a hippo they can contain a anteosauurs

[warped peak]

And being better at headbutting than Pachycephalosaurus!

[paper parcel]

apparently hippos irl have reinforced bars to keep them in their enclosures, so it would probably work with anteosaurus which is around hippo sized. A predator around its size would cost a ton to feed however.

[warped peak]

Valid concern

[ancient crystal]

Very reinforced
https://youtube.com/shorts/KN73BCLN_88?si=dw8RVPuc4mHQs5IR

[paper parcel]

Dimetrodon runs for 10 miles to bite kid who threw empty bottle at it

[misty scarab]

How large is big john? (triceratops)

[balmy oyster]

Something around 5(?) tons

[fossil ingot]

Prob about 7m and 6t of smth

[balmy oyster]

Nah 6t would be getting too large

[lapis yarrow]

6-7?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/roaring-knight-the-roaring-knight-american-dad-family-guy-dess-holiday-gif-11566098423530538323

[ashen wedge]

This is why discipline works, cause the animal doesn’t want the other side of the hand

[wind prairie]

• You couldn't learn anything

[lofty furnace]

Is It possible that Miracionyx lived in La Brea? From what i've seen It wasn't found in the tar pits, but is it theorically possible?

[fossil ingot]

Maybe?
A 7m Pachyrino is like 4.5-5t, Iirc on Random's Chart a 7m Trike was about 5t without Horns and Frill

[fluid inlet]

It’s hot potato island

[charred hearth]

is the average of edmontosaurus weight, 6 tons?

[balmy oyster]

Around that yes

[bitter quest]

I have mix feelings about this

[jovial granite]

WHAT IS THAT THING...
I GOT JUMP SCARED

[bitter quest]

I was looking at Fabio stuff on Twitter/X and came across this lol

[jovial granite]

Good Lord he's got curves

[jovial granite]

We love him

[thorn grove]

depends on the bonebed but generally 4-5 for overall average, 5-6 for fully grown average

[charred hearth]

is edmonto one of the few dinosaurs we can create a average for due to its fossil abundance?

[thorn grove]

yes, in fact because we have multiple bonebeds it's somewhat possible to discuss the extent to which average size may have varied over time/location depending on environmental conditions

[charred hearth]

the only others i can imagine we'd be able to do that for is psittaco, allo and rex

[thorn grove]

I.E. there are a decent number of individuals in the Hanson Ranch bonebed whose femora exceed the maximum femoral length recorded in the RMDQ bonebed (123.3 cm max RMDQ vs 131 cm in Hanson Ranch plus a single 142 cm outlier)

[night ice]

Hey someone wanna play with me

[plush fossil]

#looking-for-group

[charred hearth]

i wonder, whats better studied and understood, rex or psittaco?

[thorn grove]

studied rex

understood might still be psittaco because some specimens are just that good

[charred hearth]

now...is rex in the top 5 most studied prehestoric animals? maybe top 3?

[thorn grove]

I have no idea

I was going to say it might be number 1 but tbh I'm sure it's surpassed by hominins

[charred hearth]

true, this might sound stupid but i feel like it also may have competetion with the woolly mammoth

[thorn grove]

they are very studied yea

idk why hairy elephants are so interesting to people but mammoths are cool

[ancient crystal]

Its probably the top most studied lol

[charred hearth]

more then the mentioned hominins?

[ancient crystal]

Oh, wait, just saw that lol

Probably not, but if we're talking pure paleontology untouched by anthropology, its probably rex

[charred hearth]

oh i've always wondered, how much do antrhopology and paleontology overlap?

[thorn grove]

maybe not the most perfect comparison but google scholar returns 3,940 results for tyrannosaurus since 2022, and 5,760 for australopithecus since 2022

wow mammoth returns 17,200 :o

t rex gets 31,500 actually but a lot of that seems to just be t or rex being in a result anywhere so i dont think that's very representative

[charred hearth]

DAMN

[ancient crystal]

Hmmmm, I wonder what could possibly have caused such a colossal surge in mammoth papers

[charred hearth]

mammoth meatballs?

[stiff osprey]

the mammoth they found alive in agartha

[ancient crystal]

Either no one got my pun or you're all ignoring it and I'll be sad

[charred hearth]

i got it, i just didnt know what to say

[stiff osprey]

i was subverting audience expectations

always gold according to the GOT producers

[paper parcel]

If theropods are birds, did they have mating dances, like maybe, a Jiggynotosaurus?

https://tenor.com/view/giganotosaurus-default-dance-dinosaur-gif-5690642598775680064

[thorn grove]

Theropods are not all birds, rather birds are a kind of theropod

[balmy oyster]

All birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds.

• some random fish

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-hopping-shark-tweaking-tweaking-out-thrashing-gif-14049498579002218279

[fluid inlet]

This art still hard

[ancient crystal]

It looks like that rex is blaming me for what happened to it even as a corpse

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/randomdinos01/status/2018165212151492779?s=46

Henry (@Randomdinos01)

While its anatomy is not as thoroughly studied as that of T.rex, well-preserved skeletons in multiple stages of growth allow us to reconstruct the life history of Tarbosaurus much more clearly than its North American cousin's... especially after Zanno & Napoli (2025).

X · Feb 2, 2026, 3:30 AM

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
The 2 Classics

[queen oar]

@fossil ingot what's the mass estimate for these two?

[undone rapids]

For acro its around 6.5 - 7 tonnes depending on how one makes the sail or hump. Tarbo is probably similar though no one has estimated it yet

[queen oar]

Anyways, I gotta fill the quota and ragebait this channel...

Ahem

Unfortunate this comes from Washeddinos.

[outer tusk]

what

Probably ~5.4 tonnes still even with the added length for Tarbo

[brave nova]

It’s apparently now closer to 6t

[gleaming talon]

Waitttt
If all land vertebrates are tetrapods
And you cannot evolve out of a monophyletic group (A clade)
Then all tetrapods are fish because of our common ancestor lobe fin fish meaning trex is technically a fish
Tyrannofish

[ancient crystal]

Oooooor, fish isn't a proper taxonomic term and is just how we lump all non-mammal, non-reptilian, non-amphibian aquatic vertebrates

[gleaming talon]

Or we go by the clade Sarcopterygii and show that lungfish and tetrapods are eachothers closest relatives and then we can have fish as an actual term

Even better
We blame this guy for our issues

[ancient crystal]

No we cannot, because not all fish are Sarcopterygian

Fish as a term is much more useful when applied to poikilothermic, aquatic chordates with appendages (when present) developed as fins, who breathe primarily with gills and are usually scaley

[gleaming talon]

Ok i should have said this better
I meant that we are asmuch of a fish as a lungfish and a coelacanth

[gleaming talon]

And not all chordates are vertebrates

[ancient crystal]

Yes I am aware

[hallow spear]

I’ve gdied that acro already

[undone rapids]

I know

[hallow spear]

Summary
6842.3378148 Litres (Including sail type back)
6682.581033374405 (Without sail)
159.75678143 (Sail GDIed separately)

GDI assuming the entire back is ellipsoid in shape and that it has consistent soft tissue, aka a HUMP/Non sail structure
7679.929485782394 Litres (Probably an unlikely estimate)

a 3D model yields similar results at;
6748.6 Litres (Different dorsal view, not sure as to the degree)

MASS ESTs (0.97 density, same order as above)
6637kg
7449.5kg
6546kg

[lofty creek]

what is blessing my eyes😭

vro looks not pretty, not even ugly
bro looks DOOMED

[compact leaf]

do not trust the paper recon, it has issues

[green helm]

anyone seen the recent dizzy rose post?

[fossil ingot]

Random mentioned its prob closer to 6t now which makes sense
Just no GDI yet

[full lagoon]

what is this supposed to be? a paracer or relative? I honestly can't tell.

Ok looking at the skull again it looks like it could be a chopped dinosaur too..?

Lowkey it's sending mixed signals and i'm kind of just bewildered

[sage island]

its supposed to be an ornithischian lol

though i dont trust that skull recon at all. The grey highlights are what they actually have. very weird skull shape to assume

[wind prairie]

yo what is that

[stiff osprey]

Skull reconstruction so bad people are writing conspiracy theories to try and improve it

[outer tusk]

Skull so bad that newbies are literally making their own skull pieces

(If you know the reference, you know)

[serene sedge]

Ended up reconstructing multiple versions based on the OG skull and Olof’s reconfiguration

Awful awful animal

[thorn grove]

what is this

[outer tusk]

The paper skull look like a squashed camarasaurus skull

[serene sedge]

New horrible rhabdodont species Foskeia

[thorn grove]

that is awful

[paper parcel]

Perfection

[tough parcel]

Neither because one is too feathery for PoT and the other is DeviantArt Furry Microraptor (Modified)

A middle-ground would probs be most accurate

[charred hearth]

i thought it would be the first but your right, As pots feathers ...arent the best

but if it was irl, what would be the most accurate? a mix like you said?

[tough parcel]

First would be closest to IRL, might just need a shave in terms of feather volume, proper hand anatomy, and longer tail

Maybe also longer legs

[charred hearth]

@vast dock btw, did you draw this yourself? it looks really good and i'd love to see what inspired the first ones feathering

[vast dock]

yeah! prehistoric kingdom's micro inspired me to make the fluffy bastard

[tough parcel]

This also has a good showcase of potential feather volume

[charred hearth]

holy hell thats a long tail

[vast dock]

i cant believe you're going to shave my son

[charred hearth]

your son needs it for better flying! think about all the insects it can catch

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/haircut-cat-new-hair-cut-gif-26593762

[charred hearth]

you know, i never really thought about it, but what was microraptor eating? was it just a carnivore generalist? was it a omnivore? insectivore?

[tough parcel]

Stomach contents point towards generalist small prey carnivore

One even has a fish

[vast dock]

i think recent research suggested it was capable of powered flight but the PoT devs shut down micro having flight in game either way, and when you look at the jagged bundle's silhouette.... I know at the time they didn't even start modeling micro but I hope they aren't going for that peeled chicken of a creature xD

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[tough parcel]

Tbf, it's known that they used placeholder silhouettes from pre-existing media especially on the Kickstarter so I'd assume Micro will look different from either silhouettes

[charred hearth]

im also sorry for kinda putting you on the spot , i just really liked your art and wanted to share it with the paleontology people lol ❤️

[vast dock]

Hatz's and mira's silhouettes seemed pretty on point but their models also both could've been made by then

edit: not during the kickstarter, talking jagged bundle silhouettes xD

[charred hearth]

i remember pycnos model got leaked 3 months before its release so idk

[vast dock]

I have a hyperfixation micro timeline but that's probably a DMs rabbit hole

[tough parcel]

Perhaps this is evidence speculation based on silhouettes is wonky?

But otherwise, I suspect it'll look like a downsized Deinonychus tweaked to fit Micro's look (not literally)

[vast dock]

As long as it doesn't look like a peeled rat or the wings appear too small to even be capable of gliding i'm down for anything

[charred hearth]

how closely related are microraptor and Archaeopteryx?

[vast dock]

I think they're both paraves?

[tough parcel]

All dromaeosaurs are paraves tmk

[vast dock]

ah

[scenic flame]

nah hatz's was nothing like the the one we got, all of them are just off google etc

hatz's was just this mount, which of course the in game one turned out nothing like, relatively speaking

[winter marsh]

actually we dont know because all we got is like 3 bones (jk)

[scenic flame]

We do know because PoT's hatze does not look like the image above, am not talking about IRL hatze

[charred hearth]

whos the better depiction of hatz, pot or the reconstruction you posted?

[scenic flame]

PoT probably

[charred hearth]

does PoT's have like, a off / incorrect posture for azdarchids?

[winter marsh]

huh, got my words confused there

[paper parcel]

What's wrong with deviantart furry dinosaurs?😭

[charred hearth]

alot

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sammich-sandwich-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-26338708

[ionic crescent]

dry but neat meat

[paper parcel]

G R O K(scutosaurus)

[ionic crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/toad-pet-pet-frog-petting-gif-17558648

[fluid inlet]

no wonder it went extinct , this build is ridiculous

[gleaming talon]

I think there both in the maniraptora but micros in the dromeosaurs and atchaeopteryx is in the aveale

[gleaming talon]

Several things

[misty scarab]

There any purrusaurus reconstructions? Like a skeletal

[fossil ingot]

Prob Fabio's

[plush fossil]

not surpised, some of them look kinda funky

[charred hearth]

isnt that wwd leed

[fossil ingot]

Tho Puru is kinda sh*** described so...

[charred hearth]

do you think we'll ever find a large NA theri?

[queen oar]

me when I hate and love this creature. ( It`s complicated )

[winter marsh]

kai legit might be the best render because it kinda looks more like the animal than the lipped nightmare noodle we have

[balmy oyster]

It’s a good thing this skull might not be accurate at all (also bonebed taxon)

[charred hearth]

is this a correct statement to make

therinosaurids, tyrannosaurids, and ceratopsoids all originated in asia and then migrated over to america

[paper parcel]

Based*

[outer tusk]

its so god awful

[little mauve]

Tyrannosauroids were probably widespread across Laurasia & Gondwana since the middle Jurassic, the oldest tyrannosaurids we have are north american but that's likely collection bias as fauna was interchanging between Asia and Laramidia since the early Cretaceous and continuously thereafter. Laramidia really wasn't much more than a big peninsula jutting off the back end of Asia and the fauna of both exchanged so much it's not possible in some cases or useful in others to say x originated in y and migrated to z

We have some very basal therizinosaurids and ceratopsoids from Laramidia, it could be that the more isolated or fractured environments there acted as a species pump or it could be that Asia just by being a larger landmass had more diversity and was pumping dinos in the other direction. It probably was a mix of both and in practical effect it was one continent and faunal province

[thorn grove]

it is kinda weird that ceratopsids are virtually just not present in asia

[runic heart]

Sinoceratops:

[ancient crystal]

Not really paleontology, but its about skeletal anatomy so I think it's acceptable here - is it possible to identify the position within the jaw that a shed shark tooth would have had? And can shark teeth grown and shed within the span of a few months still be useful for identifying growth rate of the shark they came from?

[thorn grove]

Ik but that being the only one is still weird

[snow terrace]

any chance we know the biteforce of udanoceratops

[little mauve]

Ceratopsids might truly be North American with Sinoceratops being an odd migrant or we may just be missing their habitats in Asian beds. Also Sinoceratops is fairly old, there's a lot of time for more exchange afterwards even if they were primarily Laramidian in the Campanian arising somewhere at the base of that age

Turanoceratops is close to ceratopsids and from western Asia, far from the Beringia, so there may be Asian groups from that lineage we just haven't found yet

[charred hearth]

new asian ceratopsian clade that is neither centrosaurine or chasmosaurine and is something new.

[little mauve]

I wouldn't be totally shocked and it would be cool

[charred hearth]

what would it even look like? because chasmosaurines are characterized by their frills while centrosaurines are characteriszed by their nasal horns

[little mauve]

If we're deriving it from something like Turanoceratops it could kind of go either way, though it did have brow horns

[lucid gyro]

i thought tyrannosauroids actually developed in mesozoic asia not north america

[little mauve]

the oldest tyrannosauroids are from all over Laurasia: North America, Europe, & Asia. It was all connected at the time, the middle to late Jurassic, so they weren't truly distinct regions like we have today

likewise if Megaraptora are tyrannosauroids they were distributed in Gondwana as well around the same time and we just haven't found them yet

you might be thinking of tyrannosaurids, which is a more derived clade from much later in the Cretaceous. They possibly dispersed from Asia into North America but currently the oldest ones we have are all North American. Again, like in the Jurassic, Asia and the western part of North America called Laramidia were intermittently connected for most of the Cretaceous and were effectively one landmass when it came to fauna. There's not much you find in one that you don't find in the other

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[lucid gyro]

i was getting oids and ids wrong huh. i didn’t know the difference between them ngl

[little mauve]

like everything else the details of tyrannosaur phylogeny is constantly debated and updated but it's generally accepted that tyrannosauroids are the larger more inclusive group and tyrannosaurids are a clade therein

[lucid gyro]

what’s the theory on why some dinosaurs are fossilised in a backward arching pose?

[thorn grove]

iirc that's how their bodies would naturally pose postmortem

[paper parcel]

Thats just how I pose when I am tired. pretty relatable

[hallow spear]

Postmortem muscle contraction, bloating or something along those lines

The opposite can also happen where it’s the opposite type of arch but that’s usually pretty rare and usually wouldn’t ever happen to bipeds

[gleaming talon]

Omg now all i can think of is a deinocherius slapping the hell out of a tarbosaurus

[fossil ingot]

With how Tall Tarbo is maybe

[queen oar]

why " (=Tyrannosaurus?) " ?

RandomDinos a big fan of Thomas Carr???

[dire stag]

Is edmontosaurus the only herbivore we have found remains of with healed t-rex bite marks? I thought there was one more but i cant find it on google

Wow i just found it, it was triceratops

[ancient crystal]

I'm sure its just a formality

[outer tusk]

it is

[queen oar]

how?

[light osprey]

He is a Thomas Carr superfan

[ancient crystal]

How wouldn't it be a formality?

Tarbosaurus has been proposed to be a species of Tyrannosaurus in the past, and I don't think any paper has actually come out explicitly disproving that theory even if it isn't widely accepted anymore.

Thus "(=Tyrannosaurus?)"

[queen oar]

Truly, because otherwise there are a lot of researchers who support that theory, hmmm?

I mean, the only name I can think of is Thomas Carr, but even his reasoning is less due to Tarbosaurus being a species of Tyrannosaurus and some bs idea he has about Sister Taxons. But surely there are other names, right?

Like idk, this kinda of argument is sorta of like " Well, no one has disproved in any available publication that Dilophosaurus didn't had venom, so therefore it's a open possibility! ", but you do you.

[ancient crystal]

Random doesn't have to actually believe Tarbo equals Tyrannosaurus for them to put that little label in their skeletals

[outer tusk]

I think Tarbosaurus being a possible Tyrannosaurus species has more leverage than any dinosaur especially Dilophosaurus having venom 😭

[ancient crystal]

Random help me, its too early for this

[stiff osprey]

two animals that are regularly recovered as sister taxa being placed in the same arbitrary taxonomic category? randomdinos please explain

[queen oar]

Truly, how?

[outer tusk]

we have a nearly complete skulls of dilophosaurus with no venom glands 😭

[ancient crystal]

Because one has academic backing and the other is a movie.

So much of paleontology is done informally, from skeletals, to GDIs, to many reconstructions themseleves. Thus, just because not many of us believe Tarbosaurus is Tyrannosaurus, it's both very easy and useful to be like, "hey, there's a possibility, however slim, that this is actually Tyrannosaurus."

[outer tusk]

This is the one thing I also dislike is how ALOT people will generalize one thing with something that way more speculative and unknown compared to something that's been debuted more frequently and has much more probability

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, this is extraordinarily arbitrary.

Go look up a Dan Folkes Tarbo skeletal, I wouldn't be suprised if it had the same label.

All it amounts to is being as thorough as possible, which is a good thing to do in any scientific field.

Well dammit nevermind, it doesn't look like he's done one. At least not recently

[outer tusk]

He did Daspletosaurus which he labeled as

Daspletosaurus (=torosus?) wilsoni

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[light osprey]

Tarbosaurus and Tyrannosaurus are recovered a taxonomic tribe called Tyrannosaurini and share many apomorphies. These are reasons why people might put other fossil species in the same genus

[ancient crystal]

Also, might I point out nanotyrannus didn't have the backing of a lot of researches until late last year?

[queen oar]

Who else besides Thomas Carr again?

[queen oar]

Yeah, and? Like idk, it's almost like we knew something from private specimens, but then we didn't had confirmation to anything because guess what? Private specimens. And then only changed when we acquired those private specimens to study, and then we had to correct our general stance towards what Nanotyrannus was and/or wasn't. Tarbosaurus? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has existed since the USSR still existed, and it still is a different genera, despite all of those years, and no collective amount of researchers have pushed for it being a Tyrannosaurus species... Besides a questionable bunch and I guess Thomas Carr with his very bad sister taxon logic.

From my memory at least, unless you want to correct me... If you have anything to correct me.

[native kindle]

it is not remotely that deep, nor are genera as a concept in the first place

[ancient crystal]

Doesn't matter. One guy in academia trumps a movie.

You are way too pressed about this

[queen oar]

Oh, so you don't know anyone else besides Thomas Carr. Curious.

[ancient crystal]

Especially in the morphology only club that is paleontology

[outer tusk]

Carr is not the only who did it like quite literally

[queen oar]

Truly, because taxonomic tribes who are only composed of two genera should actually be corrected to using only one genera and two species, am I right?

[runic rover]

We still fangirling Carr?

[ancient crystal]

No, this is the exact opposite lmao

[outer tusk]

Nobody is fangirling Carr that isn't even what this is about gng 😭

[queen oar]

alright then, who else? Can you actually cite or mention them?

[light osprey]

They can be I guess, it doesn’t really matter

[queen oar]

#yup.

[outer tusk]

Look not gonna bother mentioning them but all you need to know it's not only Carr

[queen oar]

So, no one else supports Tarbosaurus being a Tyrannosaurus species until i'm made aware of? Wonderful

Imagine not being able to support or defend a theory. It's almost like it only has a very bad basis that is only fated to crumble.

[ancient crystal]

Literally they can just use google scholar

[queen oar]

True. What should I search? " Tarbosaurus is Tyrannosaurus species " ?

[ancient crystal]

Ok??

I don't think anyone here is saying tarbosaurus is tyrannosaurus.

[queen oar]

Okay which one of these i'm searching for? between the 727 results

[ancient crystal]

Well, you wanted the researchers.

There you go

[outer tusk]

Omg omg you can't be serious

Well one is Maleev, 1955

[queen oar]

fair.

[light osprey]

This is the end of polish paleontology

[outer tusk]

Maleev also had Tyrannosaurus efremovi alongside Rozhdestvensky, 1977

Tyrannosaurus novojilovi again by Maleev but also Glut, 1997

Some others were Dong's ?Tyrannosaurus luanchuanesis in '79 and Zhai's ?Tyrannosaurus "turpaensis" in '78

[ancient crystal]

Like, if I did a megalodon recon, I would put:

Otodus megalodon
(=carcharocles?)
(=carcharodon?)

I know Otodus isn't Carcharodon, and I'm not presently convinced it should be Carcharocles, but given the messy nature of extinct shark taxonomy and the ongoing debate between Otodus and Carcharocles, I would make sure to cover those bases in addition to the placement I believe to be true.

[outer tusk]

Carcharocles is still okay but Carcharodon is a NO go

[ancient crystal]

Doesn't mean I personally wouldn't put it there.

Honestly I included it here so someone wouldn't be like, "you forgot Carcharodon" or something

[outer tusk]

Waiter, waiter you forgot the 66 other megalodon synonyms

[ancient crystal]

Something I wouldn't do, for example, is make a great white size diagram and put:

Carcharodon carcharias
(=squalus?)

[queen oar]

we need another one

[ancient crystal]

I mean, forget extinct shark taxonomy, this is atrocious

[queen oar]

so then the total amount becomes...

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-dispatch-game-robert-attack-kick-gif-2274002873513934273

[charred hearth]

zhuchengasaurus is tyrannosaurus in disguise so it can be both the largest and 2nd largest therapod.

[tough parcel]

(Zhuchengtyrannus)

[zealous ravine]

Here's the thing, genera are completely arbitrary. There's literally no difference scientifically or taxonomically between calling it Tarbosaurus bataar or Tyrannosaurus bataar. I prefer Tarbo because it helps avoid confusion if bataar and rex end up not being sister species, but thats entirely personal preference

[tough parcel]

"Erm genera are arbitrary " mfs when I put Allosaurus as distinct from Saurophaganax

[queen oar]

Someone doesn't like that Genera are arbitrary.

[ancient crystal]

I mean, you were definitely not of the opinion genera were arbitrary a few hours ago

[queen oar]

Fair. But that was only because I thought you said that " Tyrannosaurus bataar " was supported. But I clearly have misread it

You see, i'm sorta of a low-IQ Specimen.

only 2 neurons navigating in this vast ocean that is my hollow cranium.

[little mauve]

Genera are arbitrary, species are arbitrary. Hybridization can occur across families as indicated by the Sturddlefish. Animals should instead be given personal names for every individual, like Bill or Javier or Jessica

[queen oar]

it's the superior nomenclature system.

[stiff osprey]

unironically the proposal of a paper that came out today (except instead of human names it's essentially barcodes)

[little mauve]

Mall Earth

[ancient crystal]

Saw that, hated it.

Taxonomic classifications are arbitrary, but not useless

[stiff osprey]

the developmental barcode idea is really interesting, and it solves nearly every problem with the taxonomic ranks concept

but i agree it's not worth throwing away binomials entirely

it's also (i think) not as incompatible with the idea of a species as the authors say it is. you could define a species as a set of codes that share XYZ character, or just continue using species as an arbitrary category like we do today

[queen oar]

pretty much.

[compact leaf]

the two can definitely be integrated from everything I’ve seen so far, exactly how may get tricky but I see no reason it wouldn’t be possible

[little mauve]

link to paper?

[true juniper]

What was the first terrestrial Apex predator known

[ancient crystal]

Wouldn't that just be what we do now anyway, just with barcodes?

[queen oar]

What if we locked Randomdinos in the Tyrannosaurus enclosure? Do you guys think they survive?

[ancient crystal]

Probably the first terrestrial predator known

[stiff osprey]

@ancient crystal more or less, but the codes allow us to note any number of hybridization events, and can be infinitely specified (down to the individual)

hm i forgot links appear at the end of a message. the below is the paper

[little mauve]

thanks!

[charred hearth]

i find it crazy how alio and campto are faster then struthi, irl, wouldnt struthi smoke both of them?

[stiff osprey]

I would let it kill me just to get a close look at what it looks and moves like.

plus my headstone could say 'first and only human to be killed by Tyrannosaurus'

[little mauve]

we're not sure of their exact food webs but the earliest terrestrial predators known are centipedes and trigonotarbid arachnoids

[queen oar]

Dinosaur Movie, but the Dinosaurs are never revealed on screen

[little mauve]

Wow they're swinging for the fences with this paper, very interesting

[charred hearth]

can someone summarize the paper in caveman speak for me

[queen oar]

1a 1a 1a 1a

[stiff osprey]

i admit the opening page has a rather big wtf moment

[charred hearth]

2b 1a 2bb 1a

[queen oar]

Mfs will be Lex Luthor in the papers now

[outer tusk]

Lmao

[little mauve]

it's complicated, I'm having a hard time following the details myself. From what I understand though is that they're arguing for a much greater emphasis on ontogeny as an evolutionary process. One way is in development, organisms express the most basal ancestral features early in their development (famously down to the fetus) then more derived features later on. This is actually a problem that has confounded a lot of dinosaur taxonomy incidentally, where immature specimens are rated to be more basal based on skeletal features. So they go on to propose an alternative taxonomic system called MOD that replaces genera species with a unique code for an organism that accounts for ontogenic phylogenetic changes. I think

[ancient crystal]

Idk why but this makes me laugh so much, like everyone is equally disappointed that this animal ever existed

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[serene sedge]

Fluffy bastard because it’s just an accurate microraptor

[queen oar]

I'm trying to understand, but on the premaxilla are those like pseudo-teeth or just incisor-like extensions like Tethyshadros or whatever the name of that guy

[idle storm]

This ontogeny paper is a bit rough, it seems like they have sort of invented a guy to get mad at with respect to how ontogeny is considered in modern biology and phylogenetics. The solution proposed to biological nomenclature is both cumbersome and unnecessary, and depends on the data that is already used for phylogenetic systematics, and it creates only more headaches for dealing with fossil organisms that we cannot observe the development of.

[compact leaf]

it is almost definitely reconstructed wrong that’s what’s going on lol, the skull elements are really bad and from a bonebed of multiple age groups and possibly multiple taxa

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, I really don't see this methodology being picked up at all. I can't think of a single professor I personally know that would do anything but scoff at the suggestion of dropping binomial nomenclature

[queen oar]

or it is just f*cked up and we are not capable of comprehending it's f#cked up-ness

[tough parcel]

Fossil interpretation weird and/or outright bad

[queen oar]

@tough parcel what if I drew Foskeia? hmmmmmmmmmmmm? It would fit nicely in my artstyle

[ancient crystal]

Is this a good set of characters to use if I want to classify the characteristics of a tooth or set of teeth in the jaw of a shark? I can't really think of anything else to add.

Presence of Pathologies?
Pathology description
Root Height
Root Area
Basal Ledge size
Neck height
Neck Area
Neck Size
Crown Height
Crown Area
Distal Edge Length
Mesial Edge Length

[serene sedge]

The skull is likely reconstructed incorrectly as a few people have pointed out, I don’t know myself but it certainly feels off to me.

[sand thorn]

So far I found that Struthi was still faster, second is the Alio and the slowest of the 3 is the Campto.

Old Path balance still kinda nailed it until the new stats came

[fossil ingot]

Atm ingame
Alio and Struthi are 1150

[charred hearth]

i do imagine alio would be quite fast, would it be in top 3 fastest playables in game in real life?

[hallow spear]

It’s honestly probably just reconstructed poorly

[queen oar]

okay, I have heard that, but how has there been no other alternative reconstructions made by anyone else?

[hallow spear]

There has been like 2 or 3 let me find them. They are just crude edits though, not too much thought other than trying to fix

[balmy oyster]

Randomdinos made a quick skull of one

[hallow spear]

“Randomdinos” his full government name……. (Also send it I’m lazy thx)

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[queen oar]

doesn't seem any better.

[hallow spear]

@queen oar randoms is first Olofs is second(Olof just based on the ct scans re interpreted it as a premax

[charred hearth]

what would y'all say is better studied

ankylosauria or stegosauria?

[queen oar]

hm, no. Doesn't work.

[hallow spear]

They are both so bad, but stegosauria is probably worse

[charred hearth]

why are they so bad compared to , lets say, ceratopsians

[hallow spear]

Ceratopsians are also awful

[balmy oyster]

Even ceratopsians suck lmao.

[queen oar]

No? Actually... Nevermind. Forgot Triceratops exists.

[charred hearth]

you disagree?

[balmy oyster]

Yes

Anything diagnostic is relied only on the skull, which itself is incredibly variable in ceratopsians

Any postcranial material is either ignored or half-baked described and ignored

[hallow spear]

Objectively, quite a lot of ceratopsians are inadequately studied + the phylogeny and character distribution basically ignoring postcrania… it sucks z 😭

[sand thorn]

Pachy in game could eat their butts in a 5 minutes pursuit and pray to any gods you won't be dead by that time

[queen oar]

I think you confusing here. Skulls are definetly a lot more unique in Ceratopsians, and Postcrania tend to be a lot more variable. Which is why although there is postcrania that might seem a little bit weird, if there's no cranial material, there's nothing to really identify those remains as.

[balmy oyster]

What was this statement meant to add

[queen oar]

Not to add. To correct. Pretty different, if you ask me.

[charred hearth]

not again

[balmy oyster]

The postcranial material absolutely varies and can be diagnostic (as seen with “Adam”) it’s just it was ignored for some reason

[queen oar]

Who is Adam?

[balmy oyster]

A new specimen of Torosaurus, found down south much further than other torosaurus specimen. Has nearly the entire postcranial skeleton and is being described atm

[charred hearth]

do we know adams size yet?

[queen oar]

Also, while I do understand the leaning towards interpretating it as being " Ignored ", I think it just forgetting how the field on Ceratopsians is pretty lack on researchers. Don't know if someone will correct me on this, but it has always been the reason why for example, there is not a lot of updated information on Triceratops by example, or any discussions surrounding it.

[balmy oyster]

Because specimens aren’t really properly described…ever

[fossil ingot]

Pretty Complete Torosaurus that is rather getting described this year

[queen oar]

Yes, and why do you think that? Because there's not a lot of reseachers expertised on Ceratopsians. Surprisingly, when you are a Taxa that has to share the same formation as the most famous theropod ever, and most researchers leaning to be expertised on specifically theropods of the same group as that animal... You don't get that much attention.

[balmy oyster]

We have some papers on limb anatomy but otherwise it’s just skulls and that’s it

Best figured trike specimen I’ve seen is the “brevicornis” specimen and even then it was years ago and we’re still waiting on Willard (there’s also the dueling dinosaurs trike specimen that’s been tragically forgotten by everyone)

[paper parcel]

Original Kentrosaurus(wiwaxia

[fossil ingot]

I mean theres an Idea due to the Paper Skeletal of it
But like not really, I doubt the Mount its That good of a reference 100%

[balmy oyster]

I think the mount is decent, but the paper skeletal looks a lot better for it

[fossil ingot]

Ohh yeah Definietly
The Paper Skeletal looks alot better

[little mauve]

We do have a histology of Triceratops and a description of its endocranial anatomy, which is more than a lot of genera

[balmy oyster]

If there was one animal that got the short end of the stick, it’s got to be edmontosaurus.

We know so much about it anatomy and soft tissue, yet there’s like no proper osteological description of any specimen

[queen oar]

I think the short end of the stick goes to Dakotaraptor, because it clearly hasn't been properly redescribed even though it's a complete easy possibility at the moment.

[fossil ingot]

Adam is about this Complete
And as shown by what we know/seen
Adam's Postcrania been described is very useful

[charred hearth]

??

[balmy oyster]

We have a thousand of edmontosaurus.

[queen oar]

Yeah.

[fossil ingot]

Edmonto's cause Momies, etc and still...

[charred hearth]

edmonto is real unlike dakota

[balmy oyster]

Dakota is scraps & we have found other specimens + with the information we got we know it’s a composite of all sorts of random animals

Even the claw might just be a nanotyrannus claw lmao

Edmonto is a 100% skeletally complete animal and we have people who still don’t understand its proper size range

[queen oar]

I mean yeah, but I still would prefer to get something new on the dromaeosauridae material, rather than to have another Edmontosaurus paper. Or hell, another Tyrannosaurus paper, since really that's the actual tendency.

[charred hearth]

the thing is, dakota probably wonmt be described, you know what will? the hell creek Unenlagiinae

[queen oar]

To no offense to Doogma, because he like E. annectens. But I don't.

[balmy oyster]

Dakota for what it’s worth is a invalid taxon. Edmontosaurus absolutely needs more attention considering how much we know about its anatomy, yet it’s barely talked about in literature

[charred hearth]

@thorn grove kill

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Not rex fault every year we somehow get another Big guy

Ceratopcians will have their Moment with Adam
But like so will Tyrannosaurs like Zucheng who are getting new Specimens described this year

[queen oar]

yeah, I still would prefer something new on the Dromaeosauridae material or Unenlagiinae, whatever... " Dromaeosaur with extra steps " or something.

[charred hearth]

i feel like the only reason people bring up edmonto is due to its relation of living with rex, no rex conversation? no edmonto

[winter marsh]

or the classic edmusthosaurus

[balmy oyster]

Most people only like edmonto because of X-rex (also not described anywhere whatsoever) and becky’s giant (might be something not even edmontosaur)

[charred hearth]

we need to go back in time and stop saurian from being made to prevent that image.

[queen oar]

Actually, I would say it is. I'm just biased against T. rex in general. Sorry.

[fossil ingot]

Edmonto is fun due to theur Funny Size Variation
But yeah Edmonto Rises due to Rex

[balmy oyster]

Edmonto has a very stable size variation

[charred hearth]

edmonto will never be shant no matter how much it tries to grow

[fossil ingot]

Edmonto Wishes it was Shant
Then again
Wouldn't be surprised Shant gets again on the Radar Once Suecheng gets described and ppl start with "Zucheng and Shant the new Gigantic Duo"

[charred hearth]

do you guys think tarbo will ever have its moment to shine and become bigger or no

[balmy oyster]

Even shant’s 19 ton specimen is a weird outlier, but still it has some sort of average around ~10 - 12t

[queen oar]

Like, not to be negative, but Tyrannosaurs probably stained most of the progress on studying any other animals from their respective formations. While I don't know about other countries, pretty sure Thomas Carr commented on a interview or podcast, whatever it was that AKRex did with him, that he mostly chose to study Tyrannosaurs, due to being told that Tyrannosaurs are most likely to be properlly preserved than the alternatives. Which I guess someone could say this doesn't happen everywhere, but it doesn't help when majority of paleontologists are specialized only on Theropods, and sometimes, specifically Tyrannosaurs.

[fossil ingot]

Its already 6.9-7.1t
But hey
Who knows
It technically already became Bigger,
But like When Suecheng gets Described
It will prob wish it had a specimen like that

[balmy oyster]

Technically speaking, it just did

Random made a new tarbo skeletal, and got a gdi estimate of 6.9t

[charred hearth]

oh tarbo became 7 tons? im proud of it

[balmy oyster]

It is a big moment for tarbosaurus

Still the smallest tyrannosaurine not counting T. vannus though

[fossil ingot]

Beast

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Its Technically Larger than Zucheng Holotype
But that will only last likely until the Suecheng specimen gets described

[balmy oyster]

True

[fossil ingot]

Yup
It entered its prime

[balmy oyster]

This is why giga lost all its weigjt

[charred hearth]

has tyrannosaurus started hanging out with it again or no

[fossil ingot]

Seeing it to Old Tyrannotitan feels wrong

[balmy oyster]

It won’t with new titan because new titan looks so wrong

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo tried to copy the homework but did slight changes to avoid been caught
Such as even Shorter Arms and Long Tail
And Slightly longer skull proportionally

[queen oar]

what's the difference

[fossil ingot]

I want to see it finish already
New Titan looks so wrong yet so Cool lol
I find it weird but I love it

[balmy oyster]

It’s no longer a square and took curvature too literally

[queen oar]

Carcharodontosaurines are squares, no?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Once Random finishes it you should see

This was towards fishy's comment

[balmy oyster]

No, the square backs was done based on making the back really straight & shaving off the neural spines

All carchas would’ve had some roundness to their backs like every other theropods (some more than others)

[queen oar]

@stiff osprey you don't need to finish the new Titan, take a vacation from Carcharodontosaurines for... Hmmmm... 4 years.

[outer tusk]

weird way of saying giganotosaurinae

[fossil ingot]

Meraxesfication

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-mcu-gif-15647768486172114787

[queen oar]

Giganotosaurini*

[outer tusk]

don't forget it like Apatoraptor

[balmy oyster]

The one that started the journey…

[outer tusk]

what was the reason again you didn't finish it cause from what I've seen doesn't seem too special from other caenagnathids

[queen oar]

he forgor?

[charred hearth]

Dacentrurinae son or Nodosauridae daughter

[winter marsh]

bro has a headphone dent on his back

[ancient crystal]

I saw you post this a few days ago and just because of how large the tarbo was I thought it was an old rex vs giga size comparison

Also first time noticing the actual twigs for arms tarbo has

[fossil ingot]

Yeah they are....

Its funny how Tarbo arms looks in proportion to its body
Thats why Dasp the goat

[outer tusk]

The one thing the PNSO Tarbosaurus got right

[fossil ingot]

Yeah Tarbo's arms are Comically short even for Tyrannosaur standard

[paper parcel]

Not even arms at this point, just nubs💀 😂

[balmy oyster]

Even abelisaurs, despite their nubs, still have pretty beefy arms and shoulder girdles

Tarbo got nuthin

[charred hearth]

who wins the arm wrestle, rex or tarbo

[thorn grove]

I've yapped about this before, but this chart is weird because it just mashes all 3 quarries that Shant material is in together

A majority of this material is from the Kogou quarry since it's the most dense quarry with at least 55 individuals represented, which indeed averages ~11 tons, but the largest specimen there is 'only' about 16 tons or so

The 19 ton specimen is from the Longgujian quarry which has around 10 specimens or so, from which all material ranges from 13-19 tons, with an average of around 15. Also worth noting that this chart only includes femora, there's a large humerus from that quarry that indicates a specimen of comparable size as the big femur so it may not be much of an outlier there

According the Xing 2014, the Longgujian quarry is 30 meters above the Kogou and represents a later deposition, and Hone 2014 considers both to lack size sorting and to be indicative of the living size distribution, so it appears to me at least that Shantungosaurus authentically increased in average body size

[paper parcel]

Rex

[thorn grove]

I like Edmonto but I wish people would stop pretending it and Shant are basically the same thing

no offense to it but it's like the most fodder Hadrosaur of all time, it doesn't even have longer tibiae like Maia to help it run faster

[charred hearth]

is this why corythosaurus is the goat?

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-vs-corythosaurus-jurassic-world-evolution-2-gif-7943462624220126879

[charred hearth]

are the hadrosaurs in jurassic park just deaf

[ancient crystal]

That slide to lock in the animation tho

[stiff osprey]

i'll never get over the scene in the telltale JP game where a parasaurolophus stands peacefully still while a raptor walks up its back and bites it in the neck

[charred hearth]

wait, i just realized

tarbo and zhu are now larger then rexy, who i believe was stated to be a expectionally large rex ( in universe )

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/gods-honest-truth-red-ellis-boyd-redding-morgan-freeman-the-shawshank-redemption-gif-23667353

[thorn grove]

my most musth coded take is that raptors should basically just not be depicted hunting adult hadrosaurs outside of very specific situations

[craggy trench]

every day i look in this chat i lose faith in humanity

[charred hearth]

wait, your telling me this ISNT accurate?

[tough parcel]

Fret not, I can make it better

[craggy trench]

thank you falcon I truly needed this

[charred hearth]

raptors always be doing extra in docs, whether its parkour or hand signals 😭

[ancient crystal]

So there's an actual reason for this in terms of game mechanics.

The carnivores have two combat behaviors, hunting and actual combat.

Hunting, as you see here, guaranteed the prey died in the first game, and still nearly guarantees it in the second and third games though the prey has a chance to escape through the stamina system.

Combat, where the two combatants circle each other and basically take turns attacking can happen whenever and is based on territory and aggression.

This is why carnivores appear so voracious in the JWE series. They do only hunt at a certain threshold, but in between all that hunting they're constantly aggroing or being aggroed by other dinosaurs including the herbivores they are inherently stronger than thanks to star rating determining combat prowess.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk schizo rant.

[stiff osprey]

According to that one paper about Gryposaurus skin, hadrosaur skin was actually 0.0003 mm thick, meaning this could happen

[tough parcel]

Glass bones and paper skin ahh animal

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[craggy trench]

i think you unlocked some deep memory of watching this doc
thank you

i think

[charred hearth]

Tarbosaurus: The Mightiest Ever : Tsintaosaurus vs the velo pack where it died due to papercuts

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-rex-walking-biting-killing-trex-gif-17288103

[charred hearth]

tarbosaurus: the mighiest ever son or jurassic fight club daughter

[ancient crystal]

A clothes hanger

[stiff osprey]

jurassic fight club daughter

i mean they were right about nanotyrannus so who knows what else they're hiding

[charred hearth]

your non binary child™ option is monsters resurrected

[tough parcel]

Tbf they were also right about compact, leggy Albertosaurus

[thorn grove]

that doc made me a spino fanboy for like a year when I was 9

[charred hearth]

i swear, they were doing whatever in 2006 - 2013 dino docs

[ancient crystal]

I think that doc was a major cause for my utter hatred of spinosaurus for like a good 18 years

[stiff osprey]

I was already a spino fanboy when it came out but even I thought one shotting carch with a slap was a bit much

[tough parcel]

Crit shot!

[charred hearth]

you know, im actually suprised jfc didnt have a spino vs carch episode

[thorn grove]

well yea that was goofy

I also didn't understand how it managed to drag its claws along the sarco's body effortlessly even though they didn't have sharpened edges

[stiff osprey]

was about to say that lol it just goes through the osteoderms like butter

[tough parcel]

It was kinda satisfying to watch tho

In the knife through butter kind of way

[thorn grove]

I'm pretty sure it goes through the ribs even with how deep they are

[ancient crystal]

I think a Tyrannosaur could count on one hand the number of genuine dinosaur documentaries made between 2006 and 2022

[charred hearth]

why were the carchs dying by slaps so much ToT

[tough parcel]

I thought it was clawing the Sarco's neck

Maybe I should watch the documentary again

[thorn grove]

I don't know I haven't watched it in like 15 years

[charred hearth]

also, is the carch and acro model the same just without the sail?

[stiff osprey]

This is inaccurate. Acrocanthosaurus would just have jumped over the tail

[tough parcel]

It annoys me a little that they used the Dinosaur Revolution Acro as the opening cutscene

And then they used this thing the rest of the doc

[ancient crystal]

We went from this to someone suggesting acro could pounce onto a sauropod

[charred hearth]

whats another dinosaur documentry thats so trash its good

[opaque kayak]

Unironically the best stan dorsal (except it's edited)

[ancient crystal]

There was a really bad one with quetzalcoatlus, I hardly remember it though.

Oh, I remember one that pretended that Titanoboa lived in the cretaceous and could kill Tyrannosaurus

[charred hearth]

does anyone remember Valley of the T. rex

[ancient crystal]

No, I think the events of 2 days after it released would sorta wipe anyone's memory clean

[tough parcel]

[charred hearth]

why what happened?

[stiff osprey]

THAT CAME OUT ON 9/9?

[charred hearth]

funfact, a prequel of valley of the trex came out explaining the rex's backstory on why it cant hunt

[thorn grove]

rex can't hunt because it's stupid and a pathetic excuse for a carnivore of course

[charred hearth]

no, its because a tarbo THREW it off a cliff

[ancient crystal]

The reason T. rex can't hunt in the documentary hosted by Idiot Paleontologist is perhaps because of Idiot Paleontologist's idiotic ideas

[stiff osprey]

rex can hunt, but only at night, as otherwise the nimble ankylosaurus would easily outrun it (nash, 2018)

[charred hearth]

i will never listen to john horner after what he did. i dont think any of his research even holds up today

[ancient crystal]

Someone in the PK discord last night tried to say everyone who dislikes Jack Horner or his ideas is dysfunctionally autistic and emotionally unstable

[stiff osprey]

Was it cory

[ancient crystal]

I mention this because its the genuine first time I have EVER seen anyone defend Jack Horner.

Oh sure I've seen people who believe in scavenger rex, but never someone who likes Horner

[tough parcel]

No, it was that troll-face gamer guy

I thought you were there Random...

[charred hearth]

planet dinosaur or dinosaur revolution

[stiff osprey]

I left there after realizing 'wow, i have not felt the need to come here to discuss paleo in years'

[charred hearth]

because the people there are smart and do not need your blessing of knowledge?

[fluid inlet]

👍🏽

[ancient crystal]

I go there because its an actual science chat and not this PRISON where we can only discuss bone shaped rocks

[stiff osprey]

sure let's go with that before the mods kill me for going off topic

[charred hearth]

what was the more accurate gigantoraptor
planet dinosaur or dinosaur revolution

[stiff osprey]

on the one hand dinosaur revolution has a better model and is skeletally more accurate

on the other hand 30kg of dewlap

[ancient crystal]

The left one, sure its soft tissue is frankly absurd but it doesn't look like it came out the egg too early like the right one does

I am dyslexic

[fluid inlet]

Which is the real Quinn
Shirtz or pantz

[charred hearth]

shoez

https://tenor.com/view/gigantoraptor-dancing-prehistoric-dinosaur-dino-monster-gif-17286114

[thorn grove]

I had never thought to actually ask but I'm not surprised that Shirtz is Quinn

[fluid inlet]

He’s a terrible hider

[stiff osprey]

if i had to choose between meeting someone who only wears shirts or only wears pants i'd choose the guy with pants

[balmy oyster]

(Every dinosaur he argued was a part of ontogenetic variation in the Hell Creek ended up becoming valid)

[charred hearth]

lets keep it on topic and not go off with some off topic conversations with pointless and inaccurate speculation

nu uh, what about trike and toro?

[thorn grove]

He's saying the opposite of what you think

[charred hearth]

not everyone can afford the mental cabilities to understand such complex claims , okay?

[balmy oyster]

It is very normal for a already mature animal to immediately go under metamorphosis and grow a frill twice as huge and for your nasal horn to become a boss

It is also very normal for a dinosaur to quickly grow a giant dome head and loose all its knobs in an instant

as well as going through the growth cycle of what is comparable to a fish and not seen in at least any theropod dinosaur (or amniote for that matter)

[thorn grove]

Maybe Torosaurus were Triceratops who used tools to alter their appearance for ritualistic reasons

[ancient crystal]

Triceratops was the planktonic form of torosaurus

[balmy oyster]

Palaeontology absolutely has improved and still is in rapid succession over these few years and I couldn’t be happier

[stiff osprey]

maybe there was something in the water in hell creek that made all the dinosaurs metamorphose

[fluid inlet]

Torosaurus and triceratops both were apex predators above Tyrannosaurus rex which was 3rd in that ranking

If it isn’t careful it will lose its rank to the great Edmontosaurus.

[ancient crystal]

The amount of times I've seen Triceratops being proposed as a carnivore by merit of its beak is insane

There's a reason I make the herbivores aren't real joke as much as I do.

[thorn grove]

you know it is actually kind of a shame that Edmusthosaurus is like the only reason Edmonto gets discussed online like 90% of the time now

[balmy oyster]

Really? If anything I see edmontosaurus being more carnivorous

Why are people so obsessed with making edmontosaurus a unstoppable brute that also eats meat?

[fluid inlet]

Because it did

[thorn grove]

Edmonto is the more counter culture one

People regarding Triceratops as at least putting up a fight against rex has been somewhat normal for decades

[ancient crystal]

No, I've seen multiple times ceratopsids in general be imagined as anything from opportunistic scavengers to straight up predators.

Sure, I could see a triceratops with growing horns nibble a bone or two for the calcium. I can't see, however, their beak being sharp (like all beaks ever) as a justification for carnivory.

[balmy oyster]

Shantungo didn’t because it actually ate the souls of zhuchengtyrannus, which is why its so small and shant is so huge

[charred hearth]

denver lives in anky's basement to avoid the hell creek controversys the gang gets into

[stiff osprey]

Your mistake, triceratops killed because it ate meat, edmontosaurus killed because it was just that angry

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia was better than Shantungosaurus idc if Shantungosaurus is bigger.

[ancient crystal]

In these situations, its less misguided counterculture, and moreso a desire to awesomebro triceratops because even when fans of a herbivore, they can't escape the "herbivores weak and gross" mentality

[thorn grove]

Edmonto's main cause of death was actually heart attacks

[balmy oyster]

I think shant would’ve had something similar to barsboldia but not as excessive with the hip region

Edmonto has none of this

L

[charred hearth]

edmonto's only know predator was the most fercious predator, archeraptor.

[fluid inlet]

Edmontosaurus was better , deal with it.

[thorn grove]

yup

[ancient crystal]

Its the wording mostly

"Ceratopsians perhaps had a larger meat content in their diet than we imagine thanks to their beaks" - fine, genuine opinion, I disagree but I respect

"Ceratopsians were omnivores with FLESH CUTTING raptorial beaks, and they would disembowel their prey" - unserious, aggressive, stems from the violence typical of awesombros, an opinion I don't respect

[thorn grove]

can't hippos literally die from overeating meat

[charred hearth]

hippos are omnivores?

[fluid inlet]

Bro

[balmy oyster]

Less that and more so will just maul anything that breathes in their general vacinity

[thorn grove]

In the sense that they’ve ever been recorded eating meat then yea but definitionally they are herbivores since over 90% of their diet is plant matter

[tough parcel]

Like…a hawk…t..oo…?

[charred hearth]

whats a hawk too a real predatory bird, microraptor, which lived 267 mya

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-choso-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-insane-going-insane-gif-2924030561674659737

[fluid inlet]

A hawk would quiet kill a microraptor I reckon.

[compact leaf]

depends on the hawk

[charred hearth]

how valid is bars

[thorn grove]

I discussed this with @queen oar a while ago I've pulled up the convo and I'll try to summarize what we talked about

[wind prairie]

ok bro you know it's "acheroraptor" right
I've seen you say archeraptor so many times I just gotta make sure 🥀

[charred hearth]

no...i didnt

[thorn grove]

based on this paper: https://ualberta.scholaris.ca/items/7ec4af29-cb46-450e-a57f-b80d48dbb9d9

"Ontogenetic evidence from this site suggests Barsboldia sicinskii, the only other
hadrosaurid from the Nemegt Formation, is a junior synonym of Saurolophus
angustirostris"

They argue that the Barboldia holotype represents a mature individual. When comparing it with the ontogenetic sequence present in the Dragon's Tomb individuals for Saurolophus angustirostris, they find that Saurolophus' neural spines on the sacrum and in the early caudal series (over and just behind the hip) significantly increase in height as they age, suggesting the extreme condition seen in Barsboldia may just be the mature condition for Saurolophus angustirostris. Barsboldia's neural spines in this region measure up to 62 cm and are over 3 times the height of the corresponding centra, those observed in the largest Saurolophus specimens are 45 cm even though they're incomplete, and are around 3.5 times the height of the corresponding centra.

Agnes pointed out that this alone seemed inconclusive and I realized I needed to mention the lack of non-Saurolophus Hadrosaurid material from Nemegt as the paper points out

Their argument is effectively two part:

1. Barsboldia's distinguishing characters are in fact explicable as it being a specimen of Saurolophus
2. The lack of any other non-Saurolophus Hadrosaurid material in Nemegt gives us no precedent for splitting material from it based on non-definitive characters

Their argument isn't really attempting to present proof that Barsboldia is definitively a Saurolophus specimen, but instead attempting to poke holes in evidence proposing that it definitively isn't. While absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it's not evidence of presence either, and without more substantial evidence in favor of splitting Barsboldia from Saurolophus they simply argue that there's no reason to do so.

Tbh I'm not really sure if I find this argument 100% convincing but the validity of Barsboldia does seem a bit iffy

[charred hearth]

thank you

[sand thorn]

Sounds like Andrewsuchus

[sturdy kettle]

egg

[topaz shell]

No, because birds exist

[fierce quarry]

Hi everyone, I'm doing a bit of research on Dunkleosteus (I'm playing it on PoT and I like to do research about the animals I play). Is the largest Dunk still considered 4.1 m, or did someone contradict Engelman since 2023 ?

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is 8.4t
So not yet

[ancient crystal]

Tbf I wouldn't put too much weight behind the stated weights for characters.

Spino is apparently 4 tons according to JWE

[lapis yarrow]

Dunk got goldfished but I know a few people working on a rebuttal to that paper so big dunk might be back soon

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Yeah but thats Cause JWE id Goofy, its more so Official more than anythint

Rexy's Weight been 8.4t atleast is consistant within the Universal Guide and Size Charts

[gleaming talon]

Well i mean given the right pressures
A ratite bird like the emu could become more dromeosaur like
And they never left

[gleaming talon]

The Acheron Thief/plunderer

[runic rover]

...you're telling me we would have Saurolophus (one of my favorite hadrosaurs) in PoT instead of Bars if this was discovered a tiny little earlier? 🙁

[ancient crystal]

Probably not, iirc, bars is a comissioned (is that the word?) playable like eotrike and its validity probably wouldn't have made any difference.

[scenic flame]

10-12 average is still wigidy wack

[scenic flame]

The 3rd carving.....

[low raven]

JWE doesn’t have the accurate weight Rexy canonically is 8.4 tons in dominion, the spino in jp3 was 8 tons and 10 in CC the Giga I believe was 11 tons

[ancient crystal]

Is any of this stated anywhere at all?

[fossil ingot]

Giga is 9-9.2t
The Animatronic is 11t

[fossil ingot]

Rexy been 8.4t is pretty much stated everywhere
Promotional, internal Guide, etc
In the BTS of JP3 a worker mentions both Bull and Spino are 8t, The Spino Profile since like 2015 mentions Spino been 10t, Lewis Lee a Universal Worker which you can find on X or Jack Ewins discord mentions that at the moment thats kinda just the best size to use for Spino(tho his CC Model isn't far from said size)
Giga on the Guide is 9-9.2 tons
All weights JW mainly uses Metric Tons/Tonnes

JP3 Spino's Size is Arguably just Retcon to be the same as CC due to all Previous Rexes pretty much having their size retcon aswell.
Theres also the Fact the CC Show runners Intended JP3 Spino and CC Spino to be the same individual tho Universal says/thinks Otherwise
Likely to avoid such direct connection or smth

[balmy oyster]

“Largest carnivore the world’s ever seen” except spinosaurus already did that years before in a far better movie

[fossil ingot]

True
Giga is Taller(spikes) and Longer
So I guess it makes up

The True Ruler of Dinosaurus

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-king-of-the-monsters-a-false-king-false-king-fake-king-ishiro-serizawa-gif-21991143

[ionic linden]

big boy

[charred hearth]

what was massive para? was it 13 or 11 tons?

[thorn grove]

it was claimed to be 12 tons

[tough parcel]

The footprint...?

[thorn grove]

the footprint was supposedly 18 tons

12 tons was the maxilla that wasn't actually as big as they said it was

[brave nova]

17t for the footprint

[tough parcel]

Randomdinos decided not to chime in because their false truths (downsized Parasaurolophus) would be met with facts and logic

[charred hearth]

what downsized it?

[stiff osprey]

cyrtocristatus vertebrae are consistently around the same size or smaller than walkeri's vertebrae, it just had long legs

which incidentally downsizes the footprint because same foot = less animal

[tough parcel]

The pursuit predator...?

[stiff osprey]

which granted the downsized version is still like 13m so it's not like the footprint isn't impressive

[thorn grove]

also there's no evidence it's a cyrtocristatus footprint to begin with tbf

[stiff osprey]

that was going to be my next comment yeah

there's no evidence of it being a parasaurolophin or even a lambeosaurine

[sullen cairn]

i think fadeno just made it cyrtocristatus because its the only hadrosaur from the fruitland formation
ofc this also isnt actually true whatsoever but we cant all be winners

[little mauve]

mega parasaurolophus suppressed the niches of other hadrosaurs

[tough parcel]

Nanoparasaurus

[sullen cairn]

tbh the 12t+ maxillae are still kinda baffling cause both of them are measured and clearly aren't any larger than tubicen at the most

like at least with deinosuchus or something there are a lot of gaps that could beget scaling errors

[charred hearth]

what was the jump? like, from para's old max size to 12 tons

[thorn grove]

I forgor was cyrtocristatus was but even tubicens is like ~6 t max

[sullen cairn]

yeah the thing at least doubled

between that and bricks edmontosaurus skeletal convincing half the internet an exemplar edmontosaurus was over 10t 2022 was a very unfortune year for hadrosaurs

[charred hearth]

6 ton hadrosaur curse ( or blessing..? )

[thorn grove]

curse because now I'm going to have to spend the rest of my life correcting people about how big Edmontosaurus and Parasaurolophus were

[stiff osprey]

did you know parasaurolophus not only grew to 13 tons but did it in less than a year

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-titans-kaperoo-po-t-gif-23488708

[ancient crystal]

Amd getting labeled as an awesomebro because of it

[paper parcel]

Average youtuber going to go oversize a animal to be le epic💀

[thorn grove]

you don't think edmonto averaged 15 tons? what are you a rex fanboy?

[ancient crystal]

What do you mean you have a standard of scientific rigor and don't want to blindly believe the largest ever estimate given for a hadrosaur?

You must hate hadrosaurs and think they're weak fodder!

[paper parcel]

Hadrosaurs are tasty barsburger meals for megatheropods, only defenses are herds, size, and kicks(maybe)

[queen oar]

true.

[tulip dove]

Heh... It needed to grow so fast so it could pummel the local tyrannosaurids to the ground and feast on their corpses...

[paper parcel]

Why do you think edmontosaurus had front facing eyes?(/jk)

[fossil ingot]

Weird fella

[fossil ingot]

The OG Trio

[ancient crystal]

I like how google AI tries to tell you sandbar sharks have 50 - 60 teeth in one quarter of their mouth like a liar

[zealous ravine]

The GOAT

[fossil ingot]

Truly

[outer tusk]

who ate bro's face

[ancient crystal]

Another parasaurolophus, clearly.

Nothing else could fell a mighty hadrosaur

[zealous ravine]

The mighty Bisti Beast

[outer tusk]

I just remember I had an exact portrait like that

[ashen wedge]

A hater of the King

[thorn grove]

It's kind of funny how a lot of people perceive Parasaurolophus as being roughly cow or horse sized, but even without the ridiculous overestimates it's still as large as modern elephants

[ancient crystal]

Someone should downsize all parasaurolophus species to the size of a miniature pony

[charred hearth]

corythosaurus deserves the fame para has

[thorn grove]

unironically a better name

[charred hearth]

thats why it was in goat dan and para wasnt

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-no-thinking-nope-skinner-gif-16471648

[thorn grove]

but ngl it can't really compete with para's crest

[ancient crystal]

Who would name a goat dan?

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dino-dan-dinosaur-dinosaurs-therizinosaurus-claws-gif-27000301

[balmy oyster]

literally me

[fluid inlet]

have yall seen lewis larosa dinosaur artwork ? holy moly..... 10/10

[ancient crystal]

[thorn grove]

no do share

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dino-dana-dinosaur-dinosaurs-therizinosaurus-claws-gif-25648026

[ancient crystal]

I'm gonna look this up and its going to make David Peters look like DaVinci isn't it?

[tough parcel]

Lewis LaRosa is a god-tier dinosaur artist

Man sold his soul or smth for that skill

[ancient crystal]

Genuinely wasn't expecting good art just because I'm so used to other side of paleo artistry

[fluid inlet]

like holy shxxtttt

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/lewislarosa/status/1823755921467826681

Lewis LaRosa (@lewislarosa)

Check it out - Tankers Kickstarter final day! New tiers added! Wraparound cover for Tankers 0, LaRosa art monoprints, and the original art of my Charles Knight T. rex vs Triceratops homage! Thanks for the support everyone! https://t.co/8Zf66c8C6h

X · Aug 14, 2024, 4:17 PM

[thorn grove]

I was going to ask if he had more 'normal' paleo art as well

[fluid inlet]

i dont think i ever seen dinosaur art this good , and there is some beast of artist around for dinosaurs

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/lewislarosa/status/1962542801184268554

Lewis LaRosa (@lewislarosa)

3 days left to back my art book! https://t.co/JLtHf7FqzS Special last minute addition here, working on a piece to add to the tier 4 print set! Will be added to the book as well. RTs hugely appreciated. Thank you for the support guys!

X · Sep 1, 2025, 3:47 PM

[thorn grove]

Since we were just talking about para:

[fluid inlet]

i seen enough, guy is the goat

[charred hearth]

@ancient crystal as a marine biologist, can you explain this to me?

[plain spade]

Idk man Corytho is so…. Like bland. I feel like there are way more exciting hadrosaurs, like my boy Olorotitan as an example

[thorn grove]

im glad php chose olorotitan for an episode, very nice looking hadrosaur

[balmy oyster]

Water resistant feathering, due to certain produced oils

[zealous ravine]

Everyone arguing about whether Para or Cory are better, but they're both inconsequential... the true king is right here

Also potentially the only lambeosaur genus to make it to the very end of the dinosaurs, or at least a very close relative.

[sullen cairn]

worst hadrosaur clade ever resolved award

[sullen cairn]

sobs in old world

[zealous ravine]

Fine, *the only lambeosaur genus that matters

[frigid delta]

Orange Carnivorous Reptile Zebra
-# this is Acro btw

[ancient crystal]

He's just like me fr

[ashen wedge]

The only mega Predator that no one talks about

[gleaming talon]

Lost

[plush fossil]

this is crazy looking and i love it

[light osprey]

The only one? Wdym there’s a million end Cretaceous Lambeosaurs in Russia and Europe

[random cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ZBSzYUTL0

Check this out

[granite thicket]

It uses the same models as life on our planet :[
The newcomers are very good looking however

[runic heart]

Goober

[fluid inlet]

Let’s go baby Morgan freeman is back!!!!

[sand thorn]

I hope Brachiosaurus will get a spotlight cameo too

[runic heart]

At least they fixed the allo’s proportions. Except the feet, they huge.

[plush fossil]

this looks awesome

[warped peak]

Aquatic ankylosaur, fully lipped spinosaurus

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[runic heart]

At least some of the new species inclusions and designs are cool.

[warped peak]

Indeed, classics we've never seen

Like Allosaurus, Spinosaurus, Plateosaurus, and Quetzalcoatlus

[fluid inlet]

Sdfu

[runic heart]

Nah we got some new faces, and some happily returning ones.

[full lagoon]

It could very well be it's just crossing along the bottom as well though.

[scenic flame]

It would drown if it did that. Ankylosaurians are exceptionally great at drowning, it's why we have so many exceptionally well preserved specimens.

[tough parcel]

Quite an exceptionally exceptional explanation

[full lagoon]

It's shallow, calm water that it's peeking it's head out of.

[plush fossil]

idk about you guys but im still gonna enjoy watching it

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/roaring-knight-the-roaring-knight-american-dad-family-guy-dess-holiday-gif-11566098423530538323

[rancid dove]

the only thing they give us is a small species shark that gets eaten by Spino💀

[tulip dove]

Loop Rex and Trike 💔

[scenic flame]

I do not see any reason as to why it would wade into water it could barely keep it's head above water in, it can't close it's nostrils so if it stumbled into even just slightly deeper water it would immediately start drowning.

It's like tilting your head back and walking into water with lead armour

[native kindle]

the leaps and bounds made for semi aquatic ankylosaurs really are astounding

[scenic flame]

Ankylosaurs are IRL rock+ground type pokemon, water is super effective against them

[rancid dove]

ngl am not surprised, is made by reptile fan glazers

[full lagoon]

Ok

[runic rover]

I bet mid-cretaceous south America is going to be slept on like everytime

[last adder]

Animals don't drown as soon as they enter deep water, even if they aren't inherently semi aquatic.

[scenic flame]

Holding your breath isn't easy when your nostrils are orientated such that gravity doesn't help keep air from just escaping, also the toxicity really isn't nessisary.

[craggy trench]

Oh boy name calling
What an affective way to have a conversation

[plush fossil]

why didnt they just become seals, would've been so much more effective smhhhh stupid creature design L ankylosaurs

[scenic flame]

It's like the difference between holding a bottle underwater upsidedown and right side up

[last adder]

ok

[queen oar]

Mid Cretaceous becomes the most boring time period ever. Is asked to leave the Mesozoic Period Council

[scenic flame]

It's my understanding that ankylosaurs didn't have the muscles to close their nostrils, or the orientation of said nostrils to just have gravity/buoyancy keep the nostrils from filling with water

[runic rover]

That's because the council is run by rex fanboys with Hell Creek-ADHD

[queen oar]

True.

[last adder]

Even if water did enter the nasal cavity, it doesn't rush into the lungs if you're not inhaling.

I can't believe this is an argument.

[compact leaf]

it’s sad because the mid cretaceous is literally so cool in a lot of places

[queen oar]

True.² ( To both above )

[warped peak]

I mean, how long are you going to be able to hold your breath without being able to empty your nostrils of water

Especially after your center of mass flips you upside down in water

[scenic flame]

I don't think I implied that, aside from that why are so tilted? Genuinely asking

[last adder]

??? Holding your breath has nothing to do with water being in your orifices, it's literally just about not inhaling.

[warped peak]

because we all know breathing is optional

[tough parcel]

This might seem crazy what I'm about to say but you cannot breathe if water goes into airways

[queen oar]

subjective.

[full lagoon]

You can also just like, push the water out when you resurface

[last adder]

It seems like you directly associated nostrils filling with water to instant drowning.

[scenic flame]

I don't think animals typically train to control their gag or breathing reflexes

[tough parcel]

It should also be known ankylosaurs have incredibly complex nasal passages meaning pushing out water isn't as easy as "I snort once"

[queen oar]

I'll just mention what I said the other day? But aren't there like a bunch of Ankylosaurs that died by drowning? Just saying, it's like that fact that like " You are most likely to die with what you most commonly interact with, daily "

[scenic flame]

Sad trumpet noises

[last adder]

You think animals are so incompetent that they can't decide to stop breathing after their head goes underwater? Wow.

Also agnes, that was probably because of flooding and literally being swept away/being in extremely deep water, not just wading.

[scenic flame]

Yes, as an animal I can testify sometimes we are that silly

[tough parcel]

Why are you making it so personal 💀 jfc

It's not that they're "incompetent" (what??), they had little to no ability to do so

It's like saying someone is incompetent because they couldn't survive a bullet

[ancient crystal]

I humbly ask that whatever debate is being had remains civil enoughh to not get deleted by the mods

(I'm in class and can't read the argument until after)

[last adder]

But a mistake like that doesn't happen every time you submerge your face.

[warped peak]

As an animal that lacks an ossified palate, has a complex nasal passageway, biomechanically designed in a way that it will fill with water very easily, lacking the ability to spray the water back out through their nose

is not going to like swimming

[queen oar]

Complex does not necessarily mean complicated. It entirely depends on how much complicated " Complex " entails in this context. Even so, that argument just proves a lot of obstacles to go around, since if you are not able to easily push water out of your nostrils, that means you'll also have difficulty pushing other contents, such as fungi, dust, sand, etc.

[scenic flame]

Claims to be pro life, dies anyway.

[warped peak]

Most of the things you seem to be assuming are default animal traits are unique to mammals and crocodiles

[tough parcel]

I don't think any animal ever has encountered enough fungi or dust to drown

But I do wonder if the Asian ankylosaurs have a different nasal configuration compared to NA anyklosaurs

[full lagoon]

Based on that logic they would die in sandstorms

[scenic flame]

I mean lets be real humans probably have encountered enough

[queen oar]

Depends, if your system isn't compromised, no. But otherwise, it's very silly to suggest that a complex nasal system is " Fragile ", when the very complexity of such design, it's entirely intentional to avoid such fragility.

[tough parcel]

Who said anything about fragile

[ancient crystal]

I've been on slightly windy beaches and felt like I was drowning

[scenic flame]

I mean... Yeah, they have, that can happen

[native kindle]

still ringing true it seems

[queen oar]

Hmmmm. Who was it that said that the complex nasal canals of Ankylosaurs couldn't push water because they were complex? Sorry guys, I have memory loss.

[craggy trench]

Do you expect anything different in this chat

[plush fossil]

to truely settle this, i'll put an ankylosaurus in deep water in jwe3 and see what happens /j

[last adder]

We aren't saying they are semi aquatic. Just that they could wade and put their head underwater occasionally without dying instantly.

[tough parcel]

Are you aware complex is not a synonym of fragile

[plush fossil]

or even better, prehistoric kingdom

[scenic flame]

They can't push water out because they just don't have that anatomy, it's not because they're complex, it's bwcause they're strictly terrestrial animals

[queen oar]

are you aware that you can imply something without necessarily saying that word literally? Or do I have to explain how saying " It cannot push water " is also implying that it's fragile in some sense?

[tulip dove]

(Ankylosaurus swims in PK without any issues)

[plush fossil]

okay, jwe3 it is!

[full lagoon]

How will you even get it there in game?

[plush fossil]

my magic powers

[queen oar]

how so? It's literally just blowing air out. Like literally the only way that wouldn't work is if your system is compromised, such as having fluids in your lungs, like water or whatever caused by a inner-inflamation. But by that point, it's already a dying animal that we would be talking about. Not a actually healthy one.

[warped peak]

that's like saying my ears are fragile because they cannot push water

that's just not what they're supposed to do

[queen oar]

What a great analogy. It's not like the ears are an entire different system where it has it's own systems to clean it of whatever substances or small objects that get stuck in it... Except if you ever got the nice experience of a bug entering your ear... Which then, I guess I can only feel sorry if that happened.

[scenic flame]

That's irrelevant to the point wes was making