paleontology

[queen oar]

I mean, you don't need to do the lines perfectly, since they won't be present on the final product

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-simple-its-shrimple-gif-25735431

[fluid inlet]

Lines are cheating

[queen oar]

It's okay to be wrong. ( lol )

[fluid inlet]

It’s a joke doofus

[queen oar]

yah

[gleaming talon]

Words do not describe how bad i am at drawing the pelvis of any animal

[plush fossil]

WHAT

[gleaming talon]

The problem with this is that humans dont have to destroy the ecosystem
Some indigenous people such as the aboriginal people lived in unison with the environment

Im turning into a bacteria

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Dawn's Rex?

[queen oar]

it's legit Tyrannosaurus?

[frigid delta]

yessir

[gleaming talon]

How accurate is it?
No

[frigid delta]

then elaborate

[queen oar]

I mean, besides the fact it has Sue Syndrome, like daaaaaamn! What a long snout!

Don't know how people feel about it, but I don't think we have found the elongated scales on the dorsal of any Tyrannosaur. It is a bit skinny, but I guess it's intentional due to it clearly being a Carnivores design.

The Tarbosaurus dewlap, lovely. So yeah, it's pretty cool.

[gleaming talon]

Its wrists are pronated

[queen oar]

it gets uuuuuuuuuuuuh...

7 Bakkers out of 10 Darren Naishs

[gleaming talon]

I give it 120 alioramus out of 4 argentinasaurus

Cool but sadly no so accurate

[queen oar]

I'd say it depends on what standard of accuracy we are using. Technically this could work as a middle 19th or early 20th century Tyrannosaurus

[runic rover]

Not accurate but DAMN BEAUTIFUL

[gleaming talon]

Nah wrong stance for 1800s

[queen oar]

true

[serene sedge]

Not very accurate

[gleaming talon]

Also allosaurus was the more powerful dinosaur out of allo and cerato

But cerato won the war
The last allosauroid died out 90 mya
The last ceratosauria member died out 66-65 mya

[empty socket]

ALLO KING OF ALL CREATURES ON POT 💯

[snow python]

What was the last allosauroid?

[undone rapids]

Chilantaisaurus or Mapusaurus

[native kindle]

wasn't there younger allosauroids from australia? or are they in the same time frame

[gleaming talon]

Its hard to know

But what i do know is that tullimonstrum might just be the weirdest chordate ever if it even was one

[waxen root]

Thoughts on my new deinosuchus tat?

[jagged trellis]

not enough bobblehead
otherwise looks good

[undone rapids]

Those are from early cretaceous it seems.

[tender cedar]

how did we come to the 5t estimate on maip macrothorax? is there a paper on it? its "only" estimated at 9-10m wich makes it the same ballpark as allosaurus but its twice the weight? id assume a lot of that is attributed to its broad chest but arent megaraptora known for being light? is maip the outlier because it took an apex role?

[tulip dove]

Afaik, that's an older weight estimate
The last time I heard anything related to Maips weight was about 3 tons though it was a while ago
So someone might correct me on that

[outer tusk]

2 ton

[tender cedar]

do you have a source on that?

[tender cedar]

thank you, whats this from?

[tough parcel]

But using the most recent Maip skeletal from Randomdinos, I believe it comes out at ~2t

[ancient crystal]

It says in the caption

[tender cedar]

true im blind 😭😭

[tulip dove]

I'm still so used to this recon for Maip

[tough parcel]

We all are sometimes it's understandable

But as you can see, Maip isn't exactly the world's most completely animal so any weight is probably touchy but megaraptorans seem to be very conservative in terms of body proportions (They barely changed as they grew in size)

[lavish frigate]

That goes so hard

[tough parcel]

Overlapping material from different species show that even the smallest species were akin to the larger ones (I think Orkoraptor and Murusraptor)

[queen oar]

Would Maip be transgender?

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Aeresteon, nevermind.

[raw magnet]

Please be polite and respectful to other members. Refer to our #rules.

[queen oar]

@stiff osprey yeah, you can't use that word, man.

[ancient crystal]

I looked away for 5 seconds what happened

[queen oar]

Random said the G-Word, the one used towards Homosexuals.

[ancient crystal]

Also, is Wallaby a new moderator? I've not seen them before, if so hello

[raw magnet]

When I'm around, normally this channel is behaved.

[gleaming talon]

We need a gigantosaurus ingame
(Its not giganotosaurus its a szuropod)

[queen oar]

I mean, you australian right?

What if they added Diamantinasaurus?

[stiff osprey]

I'm referring to the fact many living dinosaurs show homosexual behavior and extinct ones probably did too. Didn't know that wasn't allowed 🤨

[queen oar]

Man, that wasn't the issue. The issue is that you used the G-Word.

[stiff osprey]

Is that a slur now? I've never met a queer person who wasn't ok with it

[jagged trellis]

is the word also happy?
if so what on earth is it doing being censored

[queen oar]

well, your comment did get deleted. So I guess so, it sorta of is, given how people use it often in a derogatory matter. Even if some people are fine with it.

[tough parcel]

"Some" 💔

[stiff osprey]

Yeah it was that one

[tough parcel]

For Carnotaurus

[queen oar]

It's so ugly

[jagged trellis]

(most people are fine with it, this is genuinely goofy on it being censored)
probably gonna veer into offtopic alas so uh
does anyone have any good ecosystem showings for the honda group?
as in several of the formations there

[ashen wedge]

Could Carno’s horns be longer than expected?

[undone rapids]

This much is possible based on Bovids iirc

[polar rain]

Yeah

[ancient crystal]

I mean, keratin is going to make the horns jut out further than just the bone but if there's a way to know to what extent from fossils, I'm not sure

[ashen wedge]

Alright as that’s what I was looking to figure out

[ashen wedge]

I mean this makes sense for them to be a bit larger for display and possibly hurt….

[tough parcel]

Could it be? Yea

Would it be? Depends

Problem is using bovids is that they're quadrupedal herbivores with massive necks and shoulder muscles to accomodate for larger horns wheras Carnotaurus probably wasn't using its horns for anything but display

It still needs to be balanced to run after prey

[undone rapids]

Not hunting, but yeah if they were butting heads and shoving each other a bit more keratin helps

[ashen wedge]

It could be enough larger where it’s maybes a foot longer than the bones, but I think it’s possibly stretching it out

[undone rapids]

Look at those

[ashen wedge]

Doesn’t change the fact that it could have longer horns not stronger or heavier

[undone rapids]

The more keratin you add, the heavier they get and more force they absorb if they are shoving another carnivore. It probably varied based on individuals

[ashen wedge]

I think that the horns could have a dual purpose like the Ankylosaurs armor and tail club, although it’s not entirely proven for either, but I think a healthy mix of both options is most likely unless more material suggests otherwise

[ancient crystal]

I like to think carnotaurus could get pretty crazy with the head gear.

Of course horns in animals today vary in size from miniscule and barely extending beyond the bone, to massive structures used for a myriad of purposes, so there's a possibility the horns weren't anything more than what is currently preserved.

[ashen wedge]

I like to think it’s within the 6-16 inches range of being keratin (that’s my interpretation, as it will change if new material is found and proves something)

[undone rapids]

Abelisaurs also had pretty robust necks that weren't complete S-shaped like other theropods, which is why some light shoving at slower speeds like that of rhinos may have been possible for Carnotaurus.

Heck, maybe the reason why Carno had such a small skull proportionally was due to it having much more keratin compared to other abelisaurs.

[hallow spear]

i just think POT doesnt like people saying it

dont say the g word or the alderon clones will kill you

[tough parcel]

I kind of suspect a rounded horn is particularly useful in any way regarding killing but perhaps the Majungasaurus also used its unicorn horn to spear larger sauropods

[ancient crystal]

I'm sure its just precautionary given the kind of community usually exists in PvP spaces

[stiff osprey]

that is a good point I met no less than three people yesterday who called others homosexual in POT after being killed

[hallow spear]

yes, most likely

[stiff osprey]

anyway uh I don't think Carnotaurus's horns had massive amounts of keratin that are outside the trend seen in other animals but it would be reasonable to depict some individuals with larger horns

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/jeffrey-tambor-psych-why-do-you-hurt-me-why-do-you-hate-me-hurt-gif-14210596291887851904

[fossil ingot]

2-2.5t is what Random Got Scaled off Aero
Tho Aerosteon might be proportionally bulkier

[queen oar]

the texture on the horns vary between gnarly and porous, which usually means the sheath did in-fact extend further, as this kinda of texture is pretty consistent on some horned mammals who usually have sheaths longer than the bone itself

Usually, a tight sheath would cause grooves, sometimes pretty small, making the bony horns look pretty smooth to the eye

Although, what would definetly be helpful is if we had any study on the histology of Ceratosaur horns. Since, frankly, the best way to understand a structure like this is to understand how it looks like from the inside. To be frank... We do actually need a study on the histology of all horn and/or horn-like structures in Dinosaurs in-general.

[ionic crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chancellor-dark-side-plan-evil-jedi-gif-7689991

[queen oar]

Truly, what a argument.

[static widget]

Haven't we found focilized keratin before?

[misty scarab]

How big was Parasaurolophus?

[thorn grove]

Depends on the species but around 9-11 meters and 3-6 tons

P. tubicens is the largest species and sits on the upper end of that range

[lucid gyro]

how long was a T. horridus horn, do we have a better idea of those

[balmy oyster]

They weren’t that long normally, but did turn out slightly longer than prorsus’s

[tough parcel]

Interchangeable, it doesn't matter

[balmy oyster]

Ehh it does kind of

[fluid inlet]

It actually does matter

[ionic crescent]

Probably longer than 1 m (bone only) long

Yoshi's are almost 2 meter iirc (before someone points out, Yoshi isn't horridus, is Triceratops sp.)

[balmy oyster]

Yes don’t include yoshi when talking about prorsus (or horridus but it’s not really associated with horridus) specifically

[tough parcel]

In what way?

[ionic crescent]

Was just using it as comparative

The horn size varies on specimen, the minimum on both horridus and prorsus are close to 1 m minimum, and that's just the bone with no keratin

[paper parcel]

Herbivorous abelisaurid confirmed?

[balmy oyster]

At least with the horncorns alone, horridus’s are more robust at the base and seem to have a gradual downards curve by the tip

Prorsus’s are much shorter and usually tend to be more straight

[lucid gyro]

does the keratin convo also apply here where they could of been longer?

[tough parcel]

Evidence what I said was correct?

In an animal, the horn sizes will vary enough that a bare minimum is established while a maximum is tentative but kind of there. This goes for shape as well

Using it as a distinguishing feature between species is troublesome especially when we have previous instances of such (Rubeosaurus-Styracosaurus)

[balmy oyster]

Keratin would make them longer but not by a extreme amount

[balmy oyster]

Horn sizes do vary but the proportions between the two trikes compared to whatever is going on with styra is not comparable

There will always be unique individuals or those affected by distortion, but there is a notable difference between both horridus & prorsus (even if there are better comparisons to use with certain parts of the skull)

I only focused with horncores here because someone asked about it. Again, they do vary and it should be accounted for 100% when discussing ceratopsians, but there is a pattern that differs from both species

~~I said the same thing twice ~~

[tough parcel]

https://peerj.com/articles/4066/

Was trying to find this in regards to the keratin extension convo

[gleaming umbra]

twin we are ###

[charred hearth]

is mirasaurus in PoT closer to mira irl or dace?

[hallow spear]

Mirasaurus :Sob:

do you mean Miragaia? I assume so, so ill answer as such but its closer to Miragaia

[charred hearth]

sorry i have a concussion 🙁

[charred hearth]

would you say this is the best dace depiction / model? or would you still use PoT mira as a refrence?

[tough parcel]

Naming a new thyreophoran Mirasaurus derpi because I HATE you!!

[sullen cairn]

Normalize triceratops olsoni

[compact leaf]

we should lump all triceratops into one species and chalk it up to individual variation

[sullen cairn]

Thank you fishy

[sullen cairn]

I think this has been an opinion a few times in the 90s-2000s

[tough parcel]

Tag LancianIdolatry for more information

[charred hearth]

torosaurus is just trike with a longer frill

[sullen cairn]

I know titanoceratops’ description (as pentaceratops) cites single-species triceratops as being a thing and at least a couple things into the early 2010s treat protests as horridus

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ez-get-tf-out-cat-kratos-god-of-war-gif-4827313512397508571

[charred hearth]

toro and trike are the only valid ceratopsians in hell creek, right? nedo and the tiny adult are just special cases in triceratops?

[tough parcel]

All I'm saying is perhaps we should not base the diagnosis on variable traits such as the horns...if only we had a way to diagnose skeletal traits that are not present in the skull...like some sort of...post-crania...?

[balmy oyster]

Our savior, Adam

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[balmy oyster]

Nedo is…ignore it for now. 😔

Tiny tatanka table knows a bunch about

[undone rapids]

Toro has more differences that'll be described sometime in the future

[tough parcel]

Source?

[ancient crystal]

The future

[sullen cairn]

Tatanka suffers from the only person actually publishing anything to suggest it’s invalid being a paragraph from longrich 15 years ago further compounded by the fact he thinks it might be valid as of like a month ago

[undone rapids]

It was Foretold

[balmy oyster]

ADAM

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-running-away-running-waterfowl-bird-gif-6402039580613246675

[undone rapids]

The first Ceratopsid...

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-gif-4164595

[balmy oyster]

Now we need a bravoceratops relative to call “Lilith” and we can play pretend dinoevangelion

[balmy oyster]

My pet southern Torosaurus Adam i am gonna let him go for a swim

[charred hearth]

ojoceratops son or nedoceratops son

[sullen cairn]

Which is to say the only active proponent of invalid tatanka in current year seems to be Fowler on twitter saying it looks like a bonebed do unspecified reasons thus it must be triceratops for unspecified reasons

[balmy oyster]

Don’t we do this with every ornithopod

[sullen cairn]

though on the other hand the only active proponent for valid tatanka is bhi and company because the only publication to spend more three sentences talking about the thing is its description

[balmy oyster]

Paleontologists try to describe a ornithopod in a decent fashion that isn’t just two sentences and illustrations from 200 bc challenge

[sullen cairn]

i mean the actual description's fine enough given it is pretty fragmentary

[stiff osprey]

i think tatankaceratops was real because if there was no nanoceratopsid then what would the nanotyrannosaur hunt

[charred hearth]

edmontosaurus in musth

[wooden bluff]

are there a skeletal comparison between jane and the New nano?

[warm thicket]

torvosaurus

[fossil ingot]

I love how Adam proves otherwise smh

Tf is that

The Mount doesn't look THAT ugly

Actually
Its probably the Angle

But the Paper Skeletal of Adam doesn't look as ugly tbh

[ionic crescent]

The differences > Eotriceratops with head swap

[fossil ingot]

Adam>Eotrike

[charred hearth]

largest toro vs largest trike ? ( asking for both their sizes )

[thorn grove]

1 billion tons vs 1 trillion tons

[fossil ingot]

Trike bigger
Thats it

[balmy oyster]

Everything in the hell creek is the largest

[wind prairie]

repent

why did that get deleted

[hallow spear]

That is better

[hallow spear]

We don’t really have the size of the largest toro (it’s probably Adam)

[charred hearth]

7 - 8 tons?

[ionic crescent]

what would you say PoT mira is missing to be a perfect dacentrurine depiction?

[charred hearth]

i wonder, who would y'all consider the most famous dacentruine, mira or dace?

[fossil ingot]

Who knows
The Paper Skeletal of Adam seems to show its decently big
Adam is very likely getting described this year anyways

[fluid inlet]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-10030-0 easiest biggest news in paleontology yet

In fact this will be the biggest find of 2026

[thorn grove]

Hadroid

[warm thicket]

i guess bro

[compact leaf]

that was a joke

[warm thicket]

"stupid fish" 🗣️

do you guys like saurophagonax orrr allosaurus anax which do u prefer out of the 2

[plush fossil]

Are they not basically the same thing?

[thorn grove]

Saurophaganax is a Sauropod

[gleaming talon]

I prefer allo anax so that we can have several different allos

[plush fossil]

I'm aware, are some of its fossils not like..a theropod or something?

[tiny oak]

[thorn grove]

The diagnostic material for the Saurophaganax genus is considered Sauropod remains now

The rest of the material is considered Allosaurus anax

iirc

[plush fossil]

That's what I thought ty

[gleaming talon]

Saurophaganax is a horrible name for a sauropod

[thorn grove]

too bad

[ancient crystal]

Lord of the Lizards Eaters, meaning the lord of the lizards who eat a lot

[gleaming talon]

Well thats one way to put it

Also if they find a nocturnal megatheropod within the tyrannosauroidia it must be called
Magnutyrannus Noctis

[outer tusk]

Do people not understand that "Saurophaganax" doesn't LITERALLY mean it's the lod of lizards eater right? like am seriously hoping

[gleaming talon]

Yes i was joking around

[warm thicket]

true

its sad really poor sauro he has discombobulated remains

[undone rapids]

Sauropods unintentionally ate lizards when they ate leaves from trees(its true, I was there), so sauropods were lizard eaters and saurophaganax was their lord!!!

[gleaming talon]

Argentianasaurus crying in the corner

[outer tusk]

it's crying because someone misspell it's name

[warm thicket]

well allosaurus would poo in the rivers and this poo contains archyoptryx remains and the archyoptryx particles float in the water and the uhhh uhhh saurophagonax would drink it then uhhh be classified as a lizard eater

[gleaming talon]

Im dyslexic dont judge me );

[tough parcel]

I like Glaive's explanation more because I can understand it

[gleaming talon]

Archyopterix wasnt even a lizard

[warm thicket]

shhhh shhhhh

[balmy oyster]

Eh close enough

[warm thicket]

argentinasaurus and patagoatitan fans fighting on who was larger

[gleaming talon]

Nah bro im still saying that compy was a megatheropod
I just cant prove it

[balmy oyster]

Idk why they are when the size between the two is…this.

[warm thicket]

sauropod remains are very..inconsistent

[balmy oyster]

Patago’s aren’t

Argent isn’t either, the scaling just varies depending on what you do

[charred hearth]

who's who

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it’s not a certainty at all. Argentinosaurus fan boys make me sick.

[hallow spear]

I’d have to look more into the model because honestly I’ve forgotten how it looks

[charred hearth]

do these images help?

[winter marsh]

I think the body is kinda short but idk

[outer tusk]

torso is fine

[charred hearth]

do you guys consider mira's accuracy on par with tylo?

[burnt hare]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MEkuwt_UFnU?si=jBTOa7VcroNLPBSR

[nocturne tulip]

Accurate or nah?

[runic rover]

ArgenTIANasaurus

[balmy oyster]

Evidence that mamenchisaurs were the best sauropods?

[wooden bluff]

should I move the femur forward?

[lofty creek]

how large is Tratayenia and Orkoraptor holotype?

[astral spindle]

@topaz tapir, you reside here

[ashen wedge]

We never know, maybe they could speak Japanese

It’s extremely highly improbable that they did, but never completely impossible despite the odds being extremely near zero

[topaz tapir]

Hi.

[topaz tapir]

Palaeoloxodon Namadicus isn't valid and Tyrannosaurus Rex is larger than it asymptotically

[warm thicket]

growls in agertinasaurus fanboy

but hey i still have major respect for patagoatitan

(we all know that BYU 9024 was the supreme leader of the sauropods)

yeah thanks google blue whale is the largest walking animal guys

[spiral cargo]

🔥

[gleaming talon]

What you didnt know about this

[gleaming talon]

Since when

[topaz tapir]

For which bit

[warm thicket]

anyhow argentinasaurus is the largest because... it has the most valid and understandable reamains out of the big 4

[gleaming talon]

Wait omg
Paraceratherium take over

[topaz tapir]

I'll js explain, so, Palaeoloxodon Namadicus only differs from P. Antiquus due to size, thats literally it. We have no other reason to consider it to be another species. And the largest fragment for what is now P. Antiquus is extraordinarily unreliable to use for mass scaling

[gleaming talon]

Idc about the damn elephant
Tge rhinos win

[topaz tapir]

Paraceratherium was bigger but subadults of its species got predated on by 2.4 ton crocodilians

[gleaming talon]

Thats not fair crocodilians are Op as hell

[topaz tapir]

Hippopotamus Gorgops maxes 3,194 kg and modern H. Amphibius maxes 2254 kg with skulls

[gleaming talon]

Also ima say it deinosuchus>mosasaurus

[topaz tapir]

DEFINITELY OP

[ancient crystal]

Erm, actually the hit dinosaur survival game Path of Titans says otherwise

[gleaming talon]

Wrong thats a crocodiliform

[topaz tapir]

Yeah no Deinosuchus maxes 3.8 tonnes lol, Mosasaurus averages twice that

[ancient crystal]

No need to correct a joke my friend

[gleaming talon]

means better in this context

[gleaming talon]

No how dare you confuse them it could be life or death if you see a crocodiliform then you may have been sent back intime

And i think they say the weigh got to around 5 tons although possibly outdated
I feel like deinosuchus had the stronger bite

Infact mosasaurus might actually struggle to bite into the deinosuchus and ramming may be more efficient

And crocodilians don’t really have a maximum size

Wait no not mosasaurus
Tylosaurus was the one it lived with i think

[ancient crystal]

Meh, just because they technically grow their whole lives doesn't mean that the "too fat, guess I'll die" size range shouldn't be counted as the maximum

[gleaming talon]

The theoretical maximum is like ~15 tons but reaching that would be extremely difficult

[gleaming talon]

Friendly reminder that we share more dna with a crocodile then with an ostrich

[brave nova]

That’s a 5.4t deino btw not 3.8t

[topaz tapir]

No, the 5.4 ton Deino is this

[brave nova]

That’s also like not a thing. That size deino came from fadenos scaling which was already bad but it was fully shot with the 3D scan of it

[gleaming talon]

Like i said earlier outdated

[topaz tapir]

Fadenos scaling was only good for its time, it came from assuming proportionate head to its body

[brave nova]

That fella is even smaller now than 5.4t. Thats the 1 who got the 3D scan

AMNH 3073 is now deinos biggest specimen at 5.4t

[topaz tapir]

This is from late last year.

[brave nova]

Which was when the scaling for deino was done. Using the skeletal u sent. By the person who did the skeletal

[topaz tapir]

These are the actual proportions.

[brave nova]

It just isn’t tho. Idk where u got that from. Y is Dan being used as a reference for it aswell 🥀

[topaz tapir]

This is from december and its also made by Henry Paes

It even shows who made it...

[brave nova]

(Scaled to cm 963 btw) that was also like the first skeletal before he did all the edits to it. The stuff rosey posts is pretty damn sketch and usually not very reliable from what I’ve seen

[topaz tapir]

Completely ignoring the fact that this is scaled to AMNH 3073, also this is the 2nd skeletal Henry Paes made unless you can prove otherwise. Also I know Dizzy personally and yes they can be fallacious at times

[brave nova]

What exactly am I meant to be proving otherwise? AMNH 3073 is deinos largest specimen now and its 5.4t

[topaz tapir]

You're not proving how this isn't the final draft for Deinosuchus lol. Also you showed a message from October... Pretty sure this was made post-october

[junior dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207121463094808626/1427485356059787294/Deinosuchus.png?ex=697e1396&is=697cc216&hm=fe294e1e6ec90bdac69a7d4a33cae86871deaa7016cfd55de214cfb8e955a21b&

[topaz tapir]

Thats also from October.

[craggy trench]

Dizzy rose is not a reliable skeletal source

[brave nova]

The skeletal u are claiming was made before this one. The person who made the pic with text etc (rosey) posted it later on and again they aren’t reliable

[junior dawn]

that dizzy rose pic was also made using a WIP from random

[topaz tapir]

He didn't make the skeletal, he's js showing who made it, also you didn't prove how it was made before at all. But okay, I'll take your word.

[ancient crystal]

Its him! Its John KTO!

[topaz tapir]

I'm asking him in Paleo Database

[junior dawn]

i mean, random is here lol
he can just say it himself when/if he sees this, but this is the final one

the rose pic is very outdated

[topaz tapir]

Okay, so you say.

[junior dawn]

yeah, i say

[tough parcel]

Dizzy Rose try not to steal and butcher skeletals challenge (Impossible)

[brave nova]

Smooth deino is also just so ah looking

[ancient crystal]

Oh thats what was wrong with it lmao

(Well most immediately wrong anyways)

[fossil ingot]

I love how your Claims have absolutely no Support

[topaz tapir]

Saying this after I admitted I was wrong

[topaz tapir]

We need an oatmeal thick, 1 million meter long Purussaurus to account for this. NOW

[fossil ingot]

You admitted you were wrong on a Different discord server

Anyways
the public scan of TMM 43632-1 for anyone interested on the Animal
https://www.morphosource.org/concern/media/000769058?locale=en

[topaz tapir]

Hasn't everyone seen ts already

[fossil ingot]

In theory yes
But like
You were believing a Wip not based on the Scan was more reliable than a Skeletal based on the Scan soo...
Just in case

[zealous ravine]

@stiff osprey can you please confirm for this guy that this is in fact the final version?

[topaz tapir]

They once said a Bear can lift 4x their body weight from a random miscellaneous source

[ancient crystal]

See, its got fancy shmancy texturing on the bones to look more realistic, that's how you know this is a top notch skeletal

[topaz tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[brave nova]

One of my favs from her is 2025 Dan folkes spino 🥀

[topaz tapir]

Mildly uncomfortable.

[warm thicket]

intresting

THATS JSUT AN UPSCALED SPINOSAURUS NOT EVEN

apparently trex solos every animal

[topaz tapir]

On land

[green helm]

herbivore or carnivore?

[topaz tapir]

Except sauropods

[snow python]

Is this up to date?

[bitter oasis]

Hello everyone, a reminder to please not harass one another, and to not bring drama in this server, thank you for your understanding. We ask to move on from the conversation before things get too heated.

[tough parcel]

I love (Deleted Message)

[tough parcel]

@exotic helm DMing you because you insisted no-one has ever taken issue with your work but I can't post here because the moderators are gonna delete it

[queen oar]

Can I take a look at it too?

[ancient crystal]

I'm surprised this wasn't discussed more earlier

[wind prairie]

am I out of the loop
why are carchs always portrayed with a weird dip in their hips in skeletals now

[coral forge]

because Concavenator stole their hips

[tough parcel]

Meraxes

[ancient crystal]

Clearly a large undiscovered predator would take perfect bites out of the lower spines of carchs leading to the dip

[thorn grove]

The carnivorous Sauropod was responsible

[runic rover]

Damn I skipped the Deinosuchus brawl

[balmy oyster]

Why are people still brawling over deinos

We have a 3D scan of the material. Usually a dealbreaker for any size arguments

[tough parcel]

Because Fadeno's is still larger and he's taking care of his kid (W) instead of engaging with people trying to believe 15t Deinosuchus

[thorn grove]

Unfortunately people are dumb

[paper parcel]

They just want oversized dinos tbh

[ionic crescent]

What did fadeno do now

[thorn grove]

nothing new but people still use his stuff

[tough parcel]

Nothing lol

He just made a 15t Deinosuchus and people refuse to let it go

[paper parcel]

Actually therizinosaurus was a huge anteater who had a long tongue and used its oversized claws to dig up termite mounds(source: trust me bro) would be cool though

[thorn grove]

People when T. rex gets scaled 500 kg heavier based on new material/research but those researchers didn't make those estimates personally: you can't just take some random guy's word for it on the internet!

People when Fadeno scales their favorite Dino to be 3 times bigger than it actually was based on his own personal speculation: ☺️

[ancient crystal]

If my legacy in life is anywhere near as persistent and stubborn as Fadeno's impact on deinosuchus, then I'll have lived a good life

[balmy oyster]

Not even speculation he probably just did it for vibes

[tough parcel]

Tbf, I massively respect Fadeno and he seems like a great guy

But please someone help him scale his stuff

TMK the only ones that hold up are his Smok and Magnapaulia

[paper parcel]

Diplodocus sized sillosuchus when? Idk it's actual size

[thorn grove]

Most of the skeletals are fine, it's him scaling it based on completely questionable material that is a problem

[tough parcel]

I mean

I find it hard to say "fine" when people make skeletals of the same specimens and find significantly smaller sizes

[balmy oyster]

Unironically probably accurate (might be a tad bit too large in this image though)

[paper parcel]

Path of the triassic prequel when??? /jk

[balmy oyster]

Not to mention his other skeletals also have the same issue, I just don’t know how he does it

[tough parcel]

Dedication to sci-comm

[tough parcel]

The cursorial sauropod hunter...

[thorn grove]

yea fair

[undone rapids]

sauropods got so pneumatic they were capable of floating away from threats, so Carchs had to get creative

[paper parcel]

What about, a sauropod hunter

[undone rapids]

I do hope we find some Carnivorous Sauropodomorph someday

[ancient crystal]

Oh but, don't you know? Herbivory isn't actually real!

A starving deer in the dead of winter desperately buying extra hours of life by eating a bird whispered that to me whilst I slept

[tough parcel]

I feel like a starving deer in the dead of winter desperately trying to buy extra hours of life whispering anything into my ear would kill me

[tulip dove]

I'd eat that deer instead

[paper parcel]

Liaoningosaurus

[ancient crystal]

I was the next victim of the dreaded carnivore deer

I speak to you now from beyond my wintry grave

[topaz tapir]

Fadeno transitioned to bluesky, Deinosuchus maxes like 11.2 meters if we use his estimates.

[tough parcel]

We're using Random's estimates because of the scan

I'm aware Fadeno updated his skeletal last year but TMK it was still before we were given access to a 3D scan of...that specimen that was scanned

[paper parcel]

What would it be like getting eaten by a sauropod though?

[topaz tapir]

Fadeno is the tuffest Deinosuchus skeletal creator ever

[ancient crystal]

Probably an utter waste of whatever meager nutrients a human could offer to such a large animal

[paper parcel]

Cool sign me up

[ancient crystal]

You missed your chance by a couple million years

[tough parcel]

Or for the low low price of $100, you can commission an artist to

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-stop-please-gif-12272844

[warped peak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoraptor

[ionic crescent]

I never believed in such sizing tbf, but somehow when you said anything about it you'd be crucified

Regarding crocodymorphs, there's some weird protective halo where they are immune to new scientific revisit

The same happened, well, happens, with the Mahajanga family, where people won't let go the galloping 6 m kapro lol

[ancient crystal]

No, see, but that's a raptor it says so right there in the name

[runic heart]

Is The Isle’s deinosuchus accurately proportioned?

[tough parcel]

No

As it stands right now, no Deinosuchus in media is accurately proportioned

[ancient crystal]

To an american alligator, maybe

[ionic crescent]

As it should be

[warped peak]

And Quinkana, exact same treatment

[topaz tapir]

I vomit when I see the Isles Deinosuchus

[wind prairie]

lowkey forgot about meraxes

[runic heart]

Why? There aren’t many creative ways to design a deinosuchus. It’s a crocodilian.

[wind prairie]

this becomes simultaneously more funny and more annoying every time it's joked abut

[topaz tapir]

I mean anatomically.

[warped peak]

You can at least make it have the right head shape

[open compass]

Why?

[scenic flame]

.

[ancient crystal]

There's certainly ways to make it not look exactly like what a Floridian might find on their roof after a hurricane

[topaz tapir]

Not only is its mass incorrect... (Several thousand kilograms larger than realistically) Its much longer and it does NOT match the current reconstruction that Morphosource and Randomdinos shows.

[undone rapids]

Well yeah, the scan was published last year

[scenic flame]

TI's deinosuchus was inaccurate even in 2016, it's just a big alligator, their skulls are very different
https://fixupx.com/LiterallyMiguel/status/1988301092132958237

Literally Miguel 🇻🇪💥🔫 (@LiterallyMiguel)

Deinosuchus riograndensis, a robust, and very menacing 9+ meters long eusuchian from the cretaceous, with proportionately giant jaws compared to its body, it was very at home in water, including seas

**💬 8 🔁 166 ❤️ 1.0K 👁️ 18.0K **

FixupX · Nov 11, 2025, 5:41 PM

[topaz tapir]

Now THAT is our Deinosuchus. The one we KNOW and CHERISH

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-hes-dead-gif-16238164

[open compass]

So we’re just going to ignore that Evrima’s deino was made in 2021 and it was pretty accurate back then? the game isn’t even supposed to be realistic in the first place

[topaz tapir]

"It was pretty accurate back then" It wasn't even accurate for the largest, predicted estimates of its own time The only thing accurate about it was its build.

[open compass]

Are we talking about it's size or about the model?

[topaz tapir]

The size

[open compass]

Are u sure

[topaz tapir]

If we're talking about Modern Deinosuchus its MUCH different, anatomically for its own time I guess not. Also didn't I mention its length, mass, and its anatomy

[scenic flame]

TI's deino was inaccurately proportioned even in 2016, again they just made a big gator, deinosuchus even back then wasn't just a big gator

[ancient crystal]

This reminds me of people saying megalodon was just a big great white

[sullen cairn]

i dont think you understand. the wicked individual known as vividen is a bordlerline conspiracy theorist as he scaled a tyrannosaurus specimen with the [not published] method of averaging femur length, femur circumference, and tibia length between sue (yielding <5% larger mass than published femoral circumference equations), and if he wasn't a crank he would've used the more robust and established method of averaging out just femur length and tibia length for an also pretty negligible difference in mass

[topaz tapir]

Hammerhead Meg when?

[ancient crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161631515436920903/1338630595697180702/image0.gif

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[topaz tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-deino-deinosuchus-gif-10410827575888892974 The thing js grabs its prey with no struggle 😭

[ancient crystal]

Meanwhile PoT players sob over clamp being "too OP" after they lost five minutes of growth as an adolescent

[open compass]

Strange from your side to say you "I vomit when I see it" just because it doesn’t match the newest reconstructions

[sullen cairn]

perhaps we should rephrase that they are usually reasonably accurate when there is an entire mostly complete skeleton mounted already

[topaz tapir]

I looked down upon it even when it was considered to be "Up to date" for its time (It wasn't) It was too small and it was literally just a large Gator

[ancient crystal]

Wait, I thought you were the one arguing it was just a large alligator

[topaz tapir]

No.... I'm saying it was still lackluster at best compared to other reconstructions of it, even at its respected date and time period.

[undone rapids]

That's a raptor silly

[ancient crystal]

Hey I already made that joke

[undone rapids]

Well, you could say I'm a Jokeraptor

[open compass]

Yeah the skull is different, it's more stylistic

[warped peak]

Its just an alligator

[snow python]

Which deino species is larger: rugosus or hatcheri?

[fossil ingot]

Hatcheri/Riograndensis prob

[fossil ingot]

Thats Random's Deino but with Flesh and Different Posture
So yeah
The Cool Bobblehead guy with weak legs

[fossil ingot]

Crocodilomorph or however its written
Remember Deino isn't a True Crocodilian

[outer tusk]

as Wes already said there's nothing "stylistic" about The Isle deino lol

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/edward-jackson-edward-jackson-x-alligator-gif-16113254

[ancient crystal]

Guys look! Its The Isle in real life

[fluid inlet]

Idc im still play it

[scenic flame]

good for you

[frosty cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dinosaurs/s/Y2BIVduaHC

[ancient crystal]

You know its bad when even r/dinosaurs is horrified

[frosty cedar]

Kosemen wishes he could be this freaky. Genuinely what in the hell is that concept lol.

[fluid inlet]

N it still way funner than your pot Sarco so deal with it

[ancient crystal]

No, there's nothing more fun than killing PoT sarco

[scenic flame]

good for you

[ancient crystal]

See, the bad thing about this, is that it can both be an elaborate joke or they actually believe this

Either way, now that they haven't kept this atrocity to themselves, someone somewhere legitimately believes this to be true.

[ancient knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/165513567800393728/1245563040678678538/GrhfHOw.gif

[small geyser]

I really wish I could unsee all that.

[iron halo]

what

[frosty cedar]

My honest, sincere, down to earth, unbiased reaction:

[charred hearth]

i wish i didnt read or see this.

[ancient crystal]

Guys, who wins?

1 billion coelophysis or every pokemon?

[coral forge]

coelophysis ladder

[frosty cedar]

Homelander is folded by 1 billion coelophysis, that's for sure.

[charred hearth]

homelander gets folded by 50

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, tbf, that bum gets folded by anything outside of his universe.

[topaz tapir]

Rugosus isn't valid anymore

[ancient crystal]

I'm doing this to my friends and they are not taking it well

[charred hearth]

WHAT

[topaz tapir]

Only Riograndensis and Schwimmeri

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-hes-dead-gif-16238164

[topaz tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249166046942724187/1448057395287818372/caption.gif

[green helm]

Isnt riograndensis just another name for Hatcheri

[topaz tapir]

The two have entirely different skulls if not mistaken

[green helm]

Oh they do?

[topaz tapir]

I believe so

[stiff osprey]

The one on the right is just an outdated reconstruction based on crocodylus

[topaz tapir]

Oh my apologies, so the two are of the same genus most likely?

[green helm]

Isnt that just outdated Shape of it in the old one

[stiff osprey]

Yeah, the differences are based on the texture of the osteoderms, but it is questionable if that's enough to make riograndensis and hatcheri different species

[wind prairie]

this is far, FAAAR from the worst hodari idea idk why we're getting so worked up over cool sauropod head structures

[topaz tapir]

Just like how the only difference between Palaeoloxodon Antiquus and Namadicus is size?

[stiff osprey]

I hope not, but idk enough about palaeoloxodon to comment

[ancient crystal]

Elaborate

[wind prairie]

oh, do you not know the tale of the hypnovenator?

[ancient crystal]

No

[stiff osprey]

That is a tale not appropriate for this family server

[ancient crystal]

Is it not a tale that big paleo would tell me?

[wind prairie]

omfg 🥀 well you probably don't want to know

[topaz tapir]

Is Deinosuchus bigger than Puru currently? In mass

[stiff osprey]

Unlikely, puru size estimates vary from 9-11m while Deinosuchus is 9-10m

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-i-must-know-tell-me-gif-23033218

[outer tusk]

think of the most lewd thing possible and just add to dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

Supposedly caiman are usually lightweight for their length but considering Puru's skull is the same width as Deino's, i doubt it was less robust overall

[topaz tapir]

The 1st part is most definitely true, other crocodylus of equivalent length to caimans are tens of kg heavier, but understandable.

[green helm]

Gojo vs sukuna ahh comparinson

[stiff osprey]

Gojo is a good Deinosuchus analogue, hyped for a hundred years and as soon as we get proper measurements its size gets cut in half

[green helm]

May there be a return too

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Some Caimans can be Fat
Look at Broadies
Melanosuchys Niger are just Damn Skinny
And have Proportionally long ah tails

[fossil ingot]

Puru is such a Funny Caiman
Largest/Heaviest Crocodilian
Wide ah Skull
Its a Caiman of all things
Has Adaptations to Seemingly Highwalk unlike Deinosuchus with its gracile limbs

[gleaming talon]

Oohhh noooo

Nooo

[charred hearth]

i saw what hypnovenator did.

[gleaming talon]

Noooooooooo
Im having flashbacks to the twitter posts

[ashen wedge]

What did I just see and witness….. I prefer believing that the Sauropods used lightning over this method of breeding

[balmy oyster]

Oh my god not this one

[queen oar]

that Mothaf#$ka Hodari doesn't miss.

[gleaming talon]

Oh and the dromaeosaurs that mimic the hypnovenator

[charred hearth]

thoughts on spinosaurids doing this? https://x.com/sciencegirl/status/2017129570122498142

Science girl (@sciencegirl)

This happened in just 1.25 seconds, and when slowed down 16×, it reveals how an anhinga flips a fish four times to line it up before swallowing.

▶ Play video

X · Jan 30, 2026, 6:55 AM

[tough parcel]

Doubt considering they have arms and teeth

[charred hearth]

i wonder, how fast of reaction speeds would spinosaurids need?

[winter marsh]

enough to catch fish so I imagine a lot

[fluid inlet]

Tell me why exactly would they do this? Lmao

[charred hearth]

to swallow it whole?

[winter marsh]

try swallowing a fish sideways

[fluid inlet]

🤦🏽‍♀️

[winter marsh]

one thats still alive and struggling

[ancient crystal]

Dorsal fin makes an ouchy if bird swallow fish wrong way

[charred hearth]

what has faster reaction speed, prey or predators?

[fluid inlet]

Yeah spinosaurus is gonna try to throw Onchopristis up in the air and swallow it…..

Don’t quit your day job

[full lagoon]

Depends heavily on the animal I would think

[charred hearth]

lets go with, lions and zebra's, i would assume a prey animal that relies mainly on fleeing / running would have faster reaction speeds? but i also know cats just have insane reaction speed so i dont know

[full lagoon]

Both are pretty fast so I honestly don't know

Not to mention that it would also depend on the individual

[charred hearth]

what do you think would need a faster reaction speed, tyrannosaurus or edmontosaurus? edmonto would because it mainly flees, right?

[ancient crystal]

I think the animal that needs to catch the other animal in order to survive would generally speaking need a faster reaction time.

[tough parcel]

Both would need to react at the same time because both their lives depend on it so

[full lagoon]

It's a means of who slips up first rather than there being a large difference in reaction time I'd think (in terms of the animals being in good health)

[light osprey]

Reaction time? How is anyone supposed to gauge this in a fossil species

[ancient crystal]

No but actually tyrannosaurus was a slow and stupid scavenger so it stands to reason edmontosaurus would need to react faster to sufficiently bully the heinous interloper out of its vast territory

[full lagoon]

You don't, just speculation.

[charred hearth]

theres a hell creek hierarchy

top of the food pyramid to bottom

archeraptor
nanotyrannus, edmusthosaurus,
dakotaraptor, denversaurus, torosaurus
tyrannosaurus rex, trike, anky, mosasaurus
alamosaurus

[full lagoon]

Reaction time is something that would probably see the most variation in terms of fishers/small game hunters, and some of said prey items

And smaller animals in general have to react more quickly

At the same time even that isn't completely reliable or concrete, just look at some frogs

[ancient crystal]

I bet you there's people out there who would get upset over an actual food pyramid of hell creek because Tyrannosaurus would inherently be above things like trike or alamo

[full lagoon]

Lmfao it's literally a carnivore

The ranking in the food pyramid doesn't mean Jack either, all of them had their roles to play.

[charred hearth]

how exactly do food pyramids work? like, all are herbivores on the same level?

[ancient crystal]

They'd hit you with this image as they rant at you about how predators only attack the weak and the sick

[full lagoon]

Producer > primary consumer > secondary consumer > tertiary consumer

[ancient crystal]

Yes. All herbivores are primary consumers.

[full lagoon]

So yes many of the herbs would be on a similar spot due to their diet

[charred hearth]

so would omnivores and smaller game hunters would be secondary's?

[full lagoon]

Anything that eats other animals but is subject to be eaten itself counts

[ancient crystal]

Food pyramids are not analogous to food webs and only vaguely hint at the potential relationships between animals in different trophic levels.

Any small carnivorous mammals in hell creek would be above the largest edmontosaurus in a food pyramid.

[charred hearth]

oh alright, that makes sense

so the likes of rex and nano would be tertiary?

and does tertiary = apex or nah?

[full lagoon]

Usually yes

[ancient crystal]

Usually food pyramids can only support up to tertiary consumers. Sometimes you get quaternary consumers in extreme cases, but not normally.

Tertiary consumers are not all completely able to be called apex predators, but the apex predators in an environment are usually included amongst the tertiary consumers.

[stiff osprey]

Also to make things harder one animal can occupy multiple levels on the pyramid

[ancient crystal]

And here comes Random to prove me wrong somehow and completely embarrass me probably–oh thank god

[charred hearth]

like, different growth stages with different niches?

[stiff osprey]

No, the same individual

A T.rex is a secondary consumer when it eats an adult trike, but a quaternary consumer when it eats a Nanotyrannus that ate a dromaeosaur that ate a baby trike

[charred hearth]

this gets quite confusing

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, that's what happens when you try to over simplify ecosystem dynamics, which is what food pyramids do.

But not simplifying things makes visualization near impossible as well

[paper parcel]

G R O K(Brachytrachelopan) part 2

[charred hearth]

why is it so malnourished

[ancient crystal]

Holy shrinkwrap

[paper parcel]

before and after dinner

[charred hearth]

thats better

[plush fossil]

what the hell is this thing?

[charred hearth]

a sauropod

[plush fossil]

weird creature

[gleaming talon]

I still say that alamosaurus was just off the table for tyrannosaurus even if they did come across eachother

[charred hearth]

can i see a size comparison between tyrannosaurus and alamo?

[gleaming talon]

Although apexes are only at the top until you start using the term super predator eg an orca

[ancient crystal]

Doesn't put it any higher on the pyramid

[gleaming talon]

Im not suggesting that im just saying

[full lagoon]

It definitely looks like it could hold it's own with that tail

[gleaming talon]

This i think

[charred hearth]

i thought alamo was slightly smaller, cool

[stiff osprey]

it is, i made that comparison like 8 years ago and it's bad

[gleaming talon]

Also rex would probably look at alamo and just think ‘nope not worth it

[charred hearth]

you have a up to date one?

[gleaming talon]

Basically put a giga a spoon and a rex in an area and its gonna go like this
Spoon: im not going up there
Rex: im not going down there
Giga: im not going over there
Although rex and giga would probably start growling and hissing at eachother

[tough parcel]

The highly territorial apex predators would never fight

[gleaming talon]

Yeah

[stiff osprey]

the model is not entirely accurate but the maximum size alamo reaches is about the second biggest one there, big guy was debunked

[gleaming talon]

The spoon wants fish and wants absolutely nothing to do with the others
And the rex and giga also want nothing to do with eachother and it would cause too much injury

[tough parcel]

The highly territorial apex predators would never fight is a sentence I feel would've been fairly clear as to the non-serious intent

[gleaming talon]

Also I really like the idea that tyrannosaurus may have had a symbiotic relationship with small trooidontids

[stiff osprey]

I don't think Spinosaurus would want the smoke, but Giga and rex probably would fight given they would be eating similar things

assuming like, one was randomly teleported to the environment of the other

[tough parcel]

Spinosaurus pops its ult and goes hyperendocrine

[gleaming talon]

‘Im the strongest and largest theropod and nothing will ever beat m-
the humble ankylosaurus

[paper parcel]

The humble alamosaurus

[gleaming talon]

The not so humble torosaurus being stepped on

[balmy oyster]

Enough with the toro slander….

[gleaming talon]

I love toro but anainst an alamo

[plush fossil]

my favourite theropod, ankylosaurus

[paper parcel]

Did giganotosaurus actually hunt in packs or is it just something they applied to it from mapusaurus

[stiff osprey]

impossible to know since we only found 2 individuals of giganotosaurus ever

[tough parcel]

This is evidence only 2 ever lived

[gleaming talon]

I meant that its the largest theropod saying it cant be beat

[stiff osprey]

The odds of Giganotosaurus hunting in packs are higher than the odds of rex hunting in packs (since we have found dozens of rex specimens, and never in a pack) but that's not saying much

[balmy oyster]

One was a Schrödingers cat in terms of size

It was both the biggest carnivore that ever lived while also simultaneously being identical in size to the holotype

[gleaming talon]

The biggest carnivore? 🤨

[stiff osprey]

The biggest carnivore the world has ever seen (Grant et al, 2022)

[gleaming talon]

Sperm whales crying in the corner

[paper parcel]

Not going to lie seeing a trex getting ganged up on by a pack of giganotosaurus would be funny

[gleaming talon]

I mean theres a chance that tyrannosaurus would hunt with its mate and young until they are grown

[paper parcel]

The Horde

[gleaming talon]

Ahhhhhhh
Said the titanosaur

[ancient crystal]

Listen man, I get what you're saying, but lets please not pretend that the prey animal was infallible just because its got armor and a tail club

[gleaming talon]

Im not trying to say that

[ancient crystal]

Meanwhile, the humble Blue Whale

[gleaming talon]

Yeah blue whales are too humble to cry in the corner

[stiff osprey]

I like that one of the Argents is panicking while the one rearing up has a ''not this sh t again...'' expression

[ancient crystal]

You don't realize how entirely convinced people are that ankylosaurus was completely immune to predation that use the exact same wording

[gleaming talon]

It’s because I struggle to word things coherently

[stiff osprey]

well you see, we have never found ankylosaurus bones with T.rex bite marks

this is surely not because ankylosaurus was 20x more rare than other large herbivores, but rather because T.rex was too scared to eat it

[gleaming talon]

Also anky would probably be less worth it then edmonto, toro and trike

[paper parcel]

Paleozoic-

[ancient crystal]

Once you've seen, "Healed bite marks on Triceratops mean that Tyrannosaurus always failed its hunts and was more often than not killed, but unhealed bite marks only mean scavenging and there is no room for uncertainty," as a genuine take on THIS discord you unfortunately start looking at any amount of credit given to prey animals with suspicion

[gleaming talon]

Yeah

[ancient crystal]

That plus, "Hunting Edmontosaurus and co. was so impossible for Tyrannosaurus, that they'd sooner cannibalize than look in a herbivore's direction."

[gleaming talon]

Thats so dumb

[forest minnow]

Ngl only reason I’d say a rex wouldn’t devour an anky cause it doesn’t look appetizing the tail club iirc wasn’t even good for combat as in it wasn’t that good for defense against rex it didn’t hit that hard and despite its armor a rex is very capable of biting through it

[balmy oyster]

me when the Dynamosaurus specimen apparently

[winter marsh]

Tyrannosaurus Rex didnt rule over the world and created a democratic empire because its body was too weak of a vessel, it needed something stronger and more durable. Also cant forget he deliberately defied physics multiple times throughout history

[balmy oyster]

this is sort of the plot of that one live action Mario Bro's movie

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[forest minnow]

Listen bro was feeling a bit peckish

Bro might have been hungry like I said very capable of crunching through anky armor

[twin dagger]

what a bizarre time in history

[balmy oyster]

hot take but I think giant bird ancestors that could reach the size of trucks and taller than buildings and achieving consistent & effective bipedalism is a lot more bizarre than armored fish or big shrimp & sea scorpions

[ancient crystal]

See now I don't think placoderms are weird at all

[lavish frigate]

I like the implication that T.rex wanted to institute democracy

[frigid delta]

is it true that large sauropod like those in the image, due to their massive size, tend to have foul odor accompanies its presence, a stench that can be overwhelming if inhaled directly?

[ancient crystal]

What a strangely mean yet completely innocent question

[stiff osprey]

I mean they probably smelled like dirt and fermenting plant matter but the carnivores would smell way worse

[gleaming talon]

Yeah i feel like carcharodontosaurids would have smelled horrible

[ancient crystal]

I imagine the smell of a fish tank with a dead snail in it is how spinosaurus would smell

[gleaming talon]

Like things like giganotosaurus, tyrannotitan and meraxis would have smelt like rot

And hypnovenator would smell worse for reasons i will not disclose

[full lagoon]

I'm definitely assuming that it's a mix of being uncommon and just being generally less attractive to go after

[topaz tapir]

3,500 kg Anky gets kidnapped

[full lagoon]

It's smaller than other potential prey items but still tough to take down

[gleaming talon]

You still wouldnt want to be hit by it

[full lagoon]

That weight is probably more than enough given it's already stocky and low build, it's still doing what it needs to.

[full lagoon]

What do you mean it couldn't hit hard? it's still more than capable of causing fractures to the legs of a predator.

[paper parcel]

I feel way worse then any smell a carnivore could smell like tbh

[thorn grove]

Probably referring to this: "The limited range of movement for ankylosaurid tails also argues against its origin as an antipredator weapon." https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsbl/article/18/12/20220404/63066/Palaeopathological-evidence-for-intraspecific

In reality the primary limitation of tail clubs was their lack of flexibility, as they would struggle to hit anything very far in front of their hips and had extremely limited vertical flexibility, leaving their heads fairly vulnerable. You could maybe argue the limited range of motion reduced how much time/distance they had to put more force into their swings but tmk study on that still suggests that they were quite powerful.

Thyreophorans were able to turn well so it's not like an Ankylosaurus would have a completely defenseless head, but Ceratopsians were also able to turn quite well and yet we know T. rex still preyed on Triceratops in spite of its also very impressive armament.

[gleaming talon]

I still want to see a deinocherius smack a therizenosaurus

[stiff osprey]

There's a book where that happens

[tough parcel]

For the low low price of

[charred hearth]

whats the books name

[gleaming talon]

Nah im making a time machine

[stiff osprey]

This one specifically, it's v short

[gleaming talon]

Oh ive read that before
I think it was a ||deinocherius in musth that attacks a theri only stopping when they realised a tarbosaurus was nearby|| from memory

[charred hearth]

would dinosaurs even go in musth, i thought that was spefically a mammal thing

[ancient crystal]

Deinocheirus in musth

[ancient crystal]

Even better, its very specifically an elephant thing

[paper parcel]

We may never now, would be funny

[ancient crystal]

Yeah that was probably a good message to delete given the implications

[thorn grove]

it was limited to the Edmusthosaurus which was in a permanent state of hyper-enraged musth

the primary cause of death for them was not predation or old age but rather aneurisms due to their permanent enraged state

[full lagoon]

Fair, I suppose, but like you said, it likely still would have been sufficient.

[paper parcel]

Sometimes I feel like this

[ancient crystal]

Sufficient but not at all close to the ultra hard to kill, leg shattering, breaking a rex's jaws on its armor living fortress people think it is

[full lagoon]

Just so you know, I'm not suggesting it was like that either.

[ancient crystal]

I think I've acknowledged before that you aren't.

But its a common sentiment and I wouldn't doubt one held by somebody that might read over this conversation in the next day or two.

[thorn grove]

I agree, as does the article I cited: "There is little doubt that the tail club could have been used in defence when needed, but our results suggest that sexual selection drove the evolution of this impressive weapon."

I know it's not really the point you were making anyway, but I wanted to introduce a limitation to Ankylosaurus that allows it to be compared to a Dinosaur we know T. rex did prey on. By doing so we can establish that Ankylosaurus was probably not immune to predation despite the lack of direct evidence. I feel too much discussion on Ankylosaurus focuses on its mass or vague assertions about how strong its tail was.

[stiff osprey]

Anky was easy enough to kill for rex to not be afraid of it, but hard enough to kill to not be regularly on the menu, ez

[full lagoon]

If I'm being honest it's shorter size is probably a pretty good advantage that isn't really talked about

[ancient crystal]

See, now your mistake was giving nuance to a predator and prey interaction.

This is in direct conflict to how we know dinosaurs fought: powerscaled turn-based kaiju fights

[thorn grove]

People forget that hunting and fighting are not the same thing

[full lagoon]

It would require a tall predator to bend down a bit which might help said animal hold it's ground or retailate, along with making flipping incredibly difficult.

[compact leaf]

silly random prey animals can only kill their predators or be eaten, not frighten or fend them off without either party suffering serious injury

[ancient crystal]

Its something you see a lot of in old documentaries lol, the predator will approach its prey head on and they'll like square up almost as if it were a JWE game

[compact leaf]

if anything denversaurus may have been a bigger threat than anky at times, it doesn’t have the club but it has long enough legs to lunge or shoulder check a rexs legs

[ancient crystal]

I remember one that's stuck in my mind, have no idea the origin but a tyrannosaurus just saunters on up to an ankylosaurus which does a full 180 degree pivot on its forelimbs and smacks the Tyrannosaurus in the legs

Incredibly educational

[thorn grove]

T. rex probably didn't need to flip it tbh, its head and neck were an appropriate size for it to just bite them regardless and they also happen to be the areas least-easily defended by its tail

On the other hand I do agree its small size actually makes it harder to approach in a way since unlike large Sauropods, for instance, it would be more difficult to get into 'blind spots' in its defense

[stiff osprey]

The fact that this kind of fight actually happened at least twice between rex and Triceratops is wild

[full lagoon]

Yeah it's more exposed head and neck would be a big issue, but it's potentially possible to make up for it with maneuvering or some other tactics

It definitely depends on their approach and intelligence in that regard

[stiff osprey]

(perhaps unsurprisingly the triceratops appears to have won both of them)

[ancient crystal]

I remember another one where a rex similarly saunters on up to a sleeping triceratops, all the while the documentary is making various quips about how awful the rex smells and how the triceratops would otherwise smell it coming, and the rex just sort of kills it

Very weird choices in writing

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-rex-walking-biting-killing-trex-gif-17288103

[ancient crystal]

If these shows were made today I'd say an AI wrote them

[full lagoon]

Another interesting difference would be that it's tail would likely be more flexible

[charred hearth]

the sequel is PEAK

[full lagoon]

Bro who came up with theri literally impaling things

[thorn grove]

The rexes wanted to do their combat calls first but it gave them away

[charred hearth]

the theri in that franchise was just evil i wont lie

[ancient crystal]

I think the biggest blunder ever made in paleontology is presenting what is blatant children's media in a documentary format

You don't see the wild krats presented as a Biography. No wonder so many people think dinosaurs are for kids.

[full lagoon]

Yeah and it sucks

[charred hearth]

i wouldnt want my kids to see this

[thorn grove]

as much as i love the original wwd it unfortunately spawned a lot of these faux 'documentaries' trying to ride off its success

[full lagoon]

The side view is decent enough but wtf is this nightmare fuel

[charred hearth]

now, which is better

wwd 2013 or wwd 2025?

[full lagoon]

Is that even a question?

[ancient crystal]

2013 somehow

[charred hearth]

yeah , the movie has the main character literally gets shat on and the 2025 series has demonic edmontosaurus

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-what-excuse-me-confused-gif-15932709

[full lagoon]

Bro the interactions in the 2025 one are so ass and it just looks bad in general

[charred hearth]

yeah. patchy was running around , ran into a edmontonia and got shat on

[ancient crystal]

This goes for both examples lmao I have no memory of either of those

[stiff osprey]

Wwd2013 is a pretty good movie, even documentary, if you get the dialogueless version

Wwd2025 is... meh

[full lagoon]

The 2013 dinosaurs literally looked and dare I say behaved more realistic in certain regards

[charred hearth]

you can save wwd2013 with enough fixes, is it possible to save base wwd2025?

[stiff osprey]

What 2025 needed is a higher budget i think. 2013 had massive bank

[full lagoon]

WWD in name only bruh

[thorn grove]

name it something else and then it's perfectly mediocre

[ancient crystal]

Probably a higher budget and to not release (relatively) right after Prehistoric Planet

[charred hearth]

when dinosaurs roamed america 2025

[stiff osprey]

It took me two years but i can finally react to comments on here

I'm free

[charred hearth]

why wouldnt you before?

[sullen cairn]

I still can’t

[stiff osprey]

i didn't have the backer role for the longest time, and after getting it it still wouldnt let me react for a while

[charred hearth]

would you guys say when dinosaurs roamed america is underrated?

[thorn grove]

Are people supposed to need backer to react to stuff?

[ancient crystal]

When vaguely dinosaur shaped blurry models because the BBC can't spare a shilling (I don't know british money) from the bloated corpse of Dr. Who roamed the earth

[paper parcel]

Skeksis ahhh theri

[stiff osprey]

WDRA was so far ahead of WWD accuracy wise it was insane

shame it was behind in like, everything else

[sullen cairn]

WDRA is dangerously close to sounding like a gspism

[stiff osprey]

weverything dyrannosaurus rex apothesis

[full lagoon]

My guy that's an insult to the Skeksis

[charred hearth]

wwd, wdra and the cbd franchise are my big 3 2000 dino docs

imagine a prehistoric planet chased by dinosaurs...

how would y'all say planet dinosaurs hold up today in accuracy?

[full lagoon]

For the most part, probably

[compact leaf]

I gotta remember which one is planet dinosaur and which one is dinosaur planet first

[stiff osprey]

dinosaur planet was the fun one

[charred hearth]

planet dinosaur had red and black spino
dinosaur planet had pyroraptor

which team were you guys on

[topaz shell]

The velo was white claw right?
Or smt

[compact leaf]

whitetip

[stiff osprey]

white tip, blue brow, broken hand and the other females didn't get names

the names just flashed into my memory upon reading the question

[thorn grove]

ngl for how much of a dino kid i was im realizing didnt actually watch many dino docs

[compact leaf]

dinosaur planet having stegosaurus plates in the logo despite no jurassic episode or stegosaurs

[charred hearth]

dinosaur planet and dinosaur revolution always reminded me of eachother due to how they focus on indiviual dinosaurs stories

[stiff osprey]

they also had a chirostenotes (now anzu) skull appear in nearly every episode despite there being no oviraptorosaurs in the show

[humble lynx]

How old are these shows?

[topaz shell]

Dinosaur revolution/dinotasia was heat for me

[charred hearth]

planet dinosaur is 2011

[stiff osprey]

oh wait citipati was in white tip nvm

but either way chiros/anzu wasn't

[topaz shell]

Dinosaur revolution was like 2013 or around there iirc, which I’m probably wrong.

[humble lynx]

😢 that’s old as hell

[charred hearth]

planet dinosaur spawned some ICONIC images

[humble lynx]

I loved the concevator episode the one with cana ball ism

[charred hearth]

concavenator appeared in planet dinosaur?

[humble lynx]

Oh wait I’m dumb that’s a scene from the planet dinosaurs

[compact leaf]

it didn’t appear in either of those, majungasaurus what you’re thinking of from planet dinosaur

[charred hearth]

i think concave's only documentary apperance was in the british dinosaur documentary right?

[humble lynx]

Yes lol

[compact leaf]

everyone ignore how horrifying my first attempt at spelling that was

[charred hearth]

what would you guys say is THE dinosaur documentary of the 2010's?

[ancient crystal]

There is NO WAY we're calling 2011 unc

[humble lynx]

Wasn’t alive

[stiff osprey]

that was neovenator

[charred hearth]

so conc has never appared in a doc?

[humble lynx]

That’s funny but I said a completely different Dino

[charred hearth]

2000s has wwd, 2020s has prehestoric planet ( so far ), whats the iconic 2010s dino documentary?

[humble lynx]

How’s the wife and kids unc?

[ancient crystal]

I can't think of a single one that at all stood out in the 2010s

[charred hearth]

cant even say jurassic fight club as its 2008

[humble lynx]

I loved the planet dinosaur I remember watching it a lot when I was young I think it was the best in terms of voice acting and explaining what’s going and the graphics for its time

[ancient crystal]

Its also not really iconic, more like infamous

[charred hearth]

like, i can name 2010s dinodocs, but not really pp or wwd status

[humble lynx]

Patchy was tuff when he fought his brother

[ancient crystal]

2010s was mostly those faux educational childrens shows masked as documentaries I mentioned earlier

[charred hearth]

do we give the reward to 2013 wwd..?

[ancient crystal]

Maybe 💀

[charred hearth]

UHM..march of the dinosaurs?

[wooden bluff]

Made a nano

[charred hearth]

is it true nowhere in real life really repliactes what the triassic looks like? i heard wwd had a really hard time finding somewhere to film their triassic episodes enviorment wise.

[fluid inlet]

Is there any recent good zhuchengtyrannus skeletals

[balmy oyster]

None new ones other than table scalings

Zhucheng is close to getting some…REAL interesting news releasing so I’m certain sometime this year there’ll be much better zhucheng reconstructions

[charred hearth]

febuary?

[plush fossil]

I know an easy fix to their problem, just build a time machine
Duhhh

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-of-course-gif-13889369771881069224

[thorn grove]

The Zhucheng news is almost intimidating in a way

[charred hearth]

is it true arthoplurea and dimetredon overlapped in time or nah?

[thorn grove]

barely and idk if they would have coexisted at any point but technically yes afaik

[shadow current]

Don't know where to put this so

[balmy oyster]

Went from being “lol look at this even smaller tarbo” to probably the second largest theropod to be described to ever exist.

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-two-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-there's-more-than-one-there's-another-one-gif-9938151166456016741

[charred hearth]

WHAT?

[thorn grove]

I am anticipating some wild reactions when the paper drops

[ancient crystal]

Giga and spino fans when another tyrannosaur outsizes their favorite "largest carnivorous theropod to ever evolve"

[charred hearth]

Is 2020s the decade of the tyrannosaurids

[thorn grove]

I'm still holding out hope for Giga to have a really big average size

[fluid inlet]

Wdym hope

[ancient crystal]

Decade? We're going into the first quarter of the second century of the tyrannosaurids

[fluid inlet]

http://www.paleo.keepfree.de/#largest_theropod

enter Darius Nau

[ancient crystal]

Can't really have anything else when your specimen count is a single actual skeleton + a weird chin

[thorn grove]

I agree with this but 1 good specimen does not establish an average size

I would hate for giga to get reverse-Zhuchenged

[fluid inlet]

Honestly want some new theropods found that are as big or bigger than the ones we got

Brazil has potential with that honestly , completely shake up the record books

[ancient crystal]

I honestly think the focus on size is lame.

Fun to joke about, lame to be serious about, and I do think we've more or less reached the upper size of what a theropod could reach. I wouldn't expect there to ever be anything significantly larger discovered.

[fluid inlet]

I honestly don’t care what you think, big is cool.

So much so that all the click bait papers with biggest , bigger is always used 😭🤣🤣🤣

[thorn grove]

it's frustrating when like vividen or dempsey or whoever provides some speculation about how rex could have been heavier due to soft tissue and then brainless ava powerscalers are incapable of understanding that just because giga isn't in that paper doesn't mean those finding wouldn't also apply to it

like it has to be in the 'patch notes' or it doesn't exist

[fluid inlet]

Perucetus biggest ever was definitely a tool just to get everyone interested, I’m sure , they didn’t really think that , then again never know.

[charred hearth]

wait...that kinda tatic is kinda smart..

[fluid inlet]

Well yeah that’s why it’s used all the time.

[ancient crystal]

Its also terrible disingenuous science

[charred hearth]

but wasnt it random who was the one got perucetus downsized?

[fluid inlet]

Idk

[thorn grove]

I think it was an actual paper

actually i think it was two

[fluid inlet]

It was now that I recall , came out of left field not from random

And i took that paper very personal.

[balmy oyster]

Both the papers and first randomdinos scaling

[thorn grove]

perucetus really couldn't catch a break

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it had went from whatever tf it was to like 110 tons to whatever it is now 50/60tons which still is the size of yo mama

[gleaming talon]

I mean vividen is pretty accurate

Also at this point its no longer whats the largest theropod and at this poit its just what trex is bigger

[thorn grove]

No relation to what I was saying

[gleaming talon]

Im just saying

[fluid inlet]

Who’s saying

[gleaming talon]

Me

[charred hearth]

what are you saying

[gleaming talon]

Words

[balmy oyster]

True

[tiny yoke]

https://youtu.be/C-B3Xd9cvyc?si=6p5ceeI_mBBT0P-Z

[green helm]

hes gonna need a perfect form

[gleaming talon]

Ok im not trusting that because of the inclusion if mosasaurus in the thumbnail, and the use of the indominus rex as the carno picture

[tulip dove]

There's also AI slop in there too
And besides that, most if not all sounds present in the video are either slightly edited extant animal sounds or just some stock sounds

[gleaming talon]

Id say tge most reasonable sounds for thropods is that the theropods outside of ceolosauria and tyrannosaurus sounded more like crocodilians (growling and hissing), then ornithomimids sounded more like birds tgen as you go along the maniraptora the theropods slowly start sounding more and more like birds (chirping and hissing)

With outliers scattered across the clade

[tiny yoke]

These are images found on the internet; you can even see men hunting dinosaurs.

[gleaming talon]

Omg the only time a man ever hunts a dinosaur is bird hunting

[tiny yoke]

" 🐲Cette vidéo vous fait découvrir les véritables cris des dinosaures. Il existe des milliers d'espèces de dinosaures, mais seules 40 d'entre elles, sélectionnées parmi les plus populaires, ont été présentées ici. Ces sons ne sont pas de moi ; la plupart proviennent d'une autre chaîne (StudioMod).

Un grand merci à cette chaîne ! 💝" in the description

[brave nova]

Not only that. We also only know how like 2 dinosaurs sound like

[gleaming talon]

Para and one other nob avian dinosaur

[brave nova]

every other one with a claim of “this is how this dinosaur sounded like” is just fake and made up

[gleaming talon]

Except we might be able to predict other doinosaurs
Omg autocorrect

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/JvpdCadEWdc?si=isbKQ3cIvRBmNT0o

[astral spindle]

Yes

[green helm]

200 CM DEINOSUCHUS SKULL THIS IS REALIBLE WE ARE SO BACK DEINO FANS!!!

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-elf-will-ferrell-funny-liar-gif-3522649

[green helm]

muhehehhehe

[fossil ingot]

The times of Fadeno...

Cool Skull
However Puru's Skull is Cooler

[fossil ingot]

Yeah eh don't use that

[runic heart]

Now I’m curious, how would mosasaurs sound?

[gleaming talon]

Probably like a very big monitor lizard

[runic heart]

I don’t actually know how monitor lizards sound

[gleaming talon]

Going off of experience after not seeing a perentie next to me and scaring it
The hiss alot

So i imagine that mosasaurs would have extremely low pitch grumbling and hissing

[runic heart]

Makes sense

Oh wow imagine hearing that underwater 💀

[ancient crystal]

No, I bet they said "mosasaurus" in a really annoying voice like a pokemon

[floral ivy]

Is this Ichthyosaur specimen really 5-5.5 metres long?

[runic rover]

what's the place that looks as much as Oxford Clay formation?

in Riparia*

[green helm]

nawww the glaze is crazy

[fossil ingot]

I mean both are cool in their own Rights

One is an Oversized Wide and Bulky Caiman unlike 90% of Caimans so basically an Outlier and the other is a Stem Crocodylian that decided to Grow a Big Head and Skip leg day to eat Salty Turtles while likely been also Wide and Bulky

[green helm]

the fragments doin them dirty

[gleaming talon]

Hey don’t complain you didnt get the saurinops treatment

[plush fossil]

Ai slop

[green helm]

go go gadget invalid!

[gleaming talon]

Here then

[green helm]

oh gosh these poor fellas the power of one fossil is so strong!

[gleaming talon]

Yeah the powers of paleo art and reconstruction
Wait a minute…

Oh god I really hope that this doesn’t turn out true

[tough parcel]

It's not that deep dude

[plush fossil]

What is it?

[green helm]

purussarus and deinosuchus after getting another buff: you thought you'd never see me again didnt you but too bad! im alive!

[fossil ingot]

Puru and Deino already went to their Oversized Era
Now Deino got proper Scans to work with and While Puru is not as Good
Its a Caiman so as long as you don't copy Broadies Proportions
You get a Consistant size for it

[winter marsh]

Tyrannosaurus and Megalodon gaining 8 more tons while every other creature in the fossil record get nerfed to 2 kilograms

[ancient crystal]

Megalodon gaining like 50 to 90 tons depending on who you asked and even after being downsized remaining around 90 to 100 tons all in the span of a few years was fun

[lucid gyro]

has anyone heard of the Wyrex fossil ? there’s a cast in houston and it’s famous for missing part of its tail and having a tiny third finger. any theories on why

[ancient crystal]

vestigial third finger, lost its tail to another rex

[winter marsh]

He was just built different

[lucid gyro]

ik theyre literally robust animals but damn, learning about rexes really cut them out to be some hardy animals

[tough parcel]

Tbf there's no definitive ruling on if it was done while Wyrex was alive but the vestigial finger rlly doesn't matter much

More rexes probably had it but considering its a singular bone a few inches long, I kinda doubt it's easy to fossilize

[lucid gyro]

i thnk the same debate happens with the injury to the cope specimen. it has a bite mark around its waist/pelvis i believe?

[runic rover]

I am really starting to think paleontologists are biased af, maybe I'm just petty but ain't no way everything turns into tadpole except exactly those FREAKING 2 OVERLY LOVED EXTINCT ANIMALS

[outer tusk]

what

[warm thicket]

huhh

[still prairie]

Basically y know how lots of animals except rex and meg seem to never get downsized or ''nerfed''? Yeah that's what they mean

[ancient crystal]

Schizo big-paleo rant

[thorn grove]

It’s not like paleontologists choose what the fossils tell them

[outer tusk]

YES

[ancient crystal]

Paleontologists gain vague impressions of an animal's life any time they touch a bone. That's how they know so much.

[warped peak]

The huge bobbleheaded theropod known from a hundred specimens, and the shark known from a near complete spinal column with almost no other material aside from teeth

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, not much choice there

Why megalodon suddenly became so upsettingly large (relatively speaking) is because tooth scaling methods for extinct sharks only really saw any change or improvement recently

[cloud breach]

Its fine to use, dan updated his multiview a while ago but there was only a gdi of the old one

[stiff osprey]

Most of us were born at a time where rex was being underestimated to an outright goofy degree. People would find a random singular bone fragment and say ''yeah this theropod was definitely bigger than T.rex'' and 10 years later you get fans of that random bone being upset when we find more material and it wasn't actually a 60 foot rex killer

[still prairie]

TLDR: semi hypocrisy and we spent so long downplaying rex that to see it now be ''buffed'' and its rivals ''nerfed'' is shocking to many

But frankly idc. Cool paleontological animal is still cool paleo animal and plus the ''nerfs'' just mean we're learning more about the animal

[stiff osprey]

Also it's 3 unshrinkable animals, not two. Every ''biggest sauropod ever'' whose bones are real and measurable gets absolutely mogged by Argentinosaurus

[charred hearth]

rex, argentinasaurus, the blue whale and megalodon all run the size mafia, accept it

[orchid lynx]

megalodon looked more like a Lemonshark btw

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Dan mentioned his Last Spino was back on 2022 iirc
His Spino is Also Scaled Differently than Random's and Diocle's iirc

[outer tusk]

yes a Lamnid that looked like a Cacharhinid

[thorn grove]

You could probably have Shant sneak in here since every supposedly Shant sized Hadrosaur has turned out to in fact not be Shant sized

Triceratops could probably be that for Ceratopsians as well

[cloud breach]

They're also different specimens so you cant directly compare it to diocles or randoms

[ancient crystal]

Don't you mean lamniform?

[outer tusk]

yeah

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Didn't Random Mentioned his Spinosaurus is scaled different than how Dan's Scaled his?
Which is why the size difference, Dan's is 14.5m with no Tail Caudals while Random's MSNM is Prob 14.5m with its Tail Caudals
I think Dan's has like a Shorter snout or smth
I forgot
But while they are different specimens doesn't change the Body Proportions of both are different.
(I would guess Diocles proportions is based same way Random did his)

[ancient crystal]

I wish lamnoidea stuck, I like the idea of lamnids and otodontids being sister families

[cloud breach]

That doesnt mean the other method of scaling is bad

[fossil ingot]

Never said its bad
Its just Older imo

[cloud breach]

Still usable

[ancient crystal]

TIL that cyanide fishing is a thing.

There's nothing further, I just wanted to share the mental anguish of being informed cyanide fishing exists

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/8hJmNT6u8h8?si=UBIXabGn6WgCo9dT

[ancient crystal]

What truly tragic time for this to drop right after the no lip guy tried to liken theropod teeth to saber tooth cats

[fluid inlet]

lol

[stiff osprey]

The Allosaurus thinks the jaguar is its baby, so it's pretending to be hurt even as the jaguar bite does nothing, so the baby can learn to hunt. Very wholesome

[ancient crystal]

Please show us the comments

[tough parcel]

Heartwarming: Cross-species adoption 💛

[charred hearth]

allosaurus actually adopts jaguars and keep them around their nest to protect it from any pest

[fluid inlet]

Saw it on Twitter was a screenshot for me

[ancient crystal]

Tragic

[sudden wind]

No

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[winter marsh]

This must be the son of the guy that made that one matchup between a bear and a Tyrannosaurus and made the bear win cuz the Rex was a sluggish beast

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-hes-dead-gif-16238164

Oh wait, you said son

[paper parcel]

One has a pizza joint and the other doesn't

[serene sedge]

We can change that

[coral forge]

1.3±0.7t is a diabolical size range for Allosaurus holy

[ancient crystal]

Yeah that tracks...

[warped peak]

Distraction piggy

[stiff osprey]

save us paraentelodon skull reconstruction

I like how the lower jaw is straight up a hippo

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/wtc-whats-that-run-away-running-escape-distraction-gif-831112076023910164

[tough parcel]

Comin over the hill

[warped peak]

If only I could find the records of the metacarpals people keep bringing up but for now the only material is cranial

[stiff osprey]

That's tooth scaled right? I don't think the complete skulls get that big

[warped peak]

It matched to the largest molar yeah

But honestly molar Paraentelodon is more reliable than big Megisto it seems

[ancient crystal]

Reminds me of the triceratops, perhaps its "jugal horn" as it is called by big paleo was infact an attachment site for incredible muscles meant for shearing flesh from bone with their sharp beak 🤔

[stiff osprey]

Well yeah big megisto doesn't overlap with any of the other specimens and is probably way smaller than what I got the GDI at

Although there is a fairly reliable 1.2-1.3 tonne one

[warped peak]

Yep.

It's shocking though that the 1.3 ton Paraentelodon is the smallest possible estimate

[fluid inlet]

Where’s the paper

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[warped peak]

There isn't a paper diagnosing weight for Paraentelodon using any rigorous methods

[stiff osprey]

this means paraentelodon is fake and weighed 2 kg

[warped peak]

I will however say trust me bro, I am thorough with my research

[ashen wedge]

I hate to say it, speed ain’t the only thing needed in a fight, especially when your opponent is over 7+ tons

[ashen wedge]

I’m just going to ask, since I’m curious, is this real?

[balmy oyster]

It seems to be fadeno’s skull, and uh knowing fadeno’s deinos……

[wind prairie]

wtf 🥀 would be insane if they got that big

[ashen wedge]

I don’t know what that means….. am sorry am just not too caught up to date with some parts of paleontology

[balmy oyster]

Long story short fadeno’s deinosuchus is oversized to a biblical proportion and that includes skulls

The skull the guy shown was fadeno’s and it was done back when fadeno also made supermassive deinos skeletal

[ashen wedge]

Alright, I knew that Deino was given a size change didn’t know that skull was exaggerated tho

[warped peak]

Blue is Daeodon
Black is Paraentelodon, scaled from a mandible
Shadow is molar scaled Paraentelodon

[charred hearth]

whats y'alls favorite part of the paleogene

[balmy oyster]

No one has a clue why or how fadeno made his deinosuchus so massive, even before the scans I believe randomdinos still managed to make it nearly twice as small through measurements & whatnot

[balmy oyster]

The eocene had some cool stuff going on, but maybe paleocene since we also got some really interesting post extinction adapted animals

[charred hearth]

are any animals hailing from the paleocene still alive today or no?

[tender vapor]

Is the swim stamina tylo without a tail fluke accurate at all or no ?

[fluid inlet]

idk i wasnnt there

[gloomy gust]

Do you mean like specific species or their family because then there are several

[charred hearth]

species

[tender vapor]

Someone with big brain paleo knowledge let me know please

[balmy oyster]

If there is no fluke then it ain’t accurate

[tender vapor]

Did any species of mosasaurs have no tail fluke ?

[gloomy gust]

I know that sturgeons are from the cretaceous

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, the tail wouldn't work well without the fluke

[opaque kayak]

dan folkes coloring

[gloomy gust]

and hoatzins are from middle cenozoic

[tender vapor]

No I mean did any other species of mosasaur not have a tail fluke ?

[warped peak]

Dizzyrose proof coloring

[ancient crystal]

And I'm saying no, partially because biomechanically it would be a massive detriment to the animal.

[charred hearth]

dang, this was a post-extinction animal?

[opaque kayak]

♾️ power

[gloomy gust]

pre extinction i think, if u look at the most recent nature paper on bird phylogeny the lineage goes as far as 65 mya or maybe 1 or 2 mya earlier

[charred hearth]

wait thats so cool, so is this one of the earliest birds that are still alive?

[gloomy gust]

yes it is probably the oldest avian lineage

[charred hearth]

thats so cool!

[balmy oyster]

Maybe early basal ancestors, but once they started becoming true aquatics and more pelagic they all had a fluke of sorts

[tender vapor]

thank you

[gloomy gust]

yeah they are from the Amazon basin so may have a gondwanan origin i am not sure about this though, but they are not basal birds, they are the oldest surviving lineage of the avian bottleneck that did not diversify as much as the other orders

[tender vapor]

This was the awnser I needed you're the best fishy. #1 paleontologist

[charred hearth]

what do tail flukes do for a animal? make them more aerodynamic in the water?

[ancient crystal]

No, flukes/caudal fins are necessary for most forms of swimming that utilize the tail in some way, they help stabilize the animal in the water. The specific shape of this structure determines if an animal is more suited for high acceleration and maneuverability or for speed.

[charred hearth]

what type did mosasaurs have?

[balmy oyster]

[paper parcel]

Could a theoretical semiaquatic sauropod cryptid live in the amazon rivers?

[serene sedge]

Very early species

:)

[ancient crystal]

They had a heterocercal tail, but opposite to the arrangement you see in most non-teleost fish.

Heterocercal tails (or tails with unequally proportioned tail flukes/caudal fins) in said non-teleost fish help provide lift because the larger fluke is the top one. Mosasaurs, having the opposite arrangement, are theorized to have been very buoyant and thus needed an additional downwards force to aid in diving.

If you're asking about Caudal Fin Aspect ratio, which simply put is what correlates to speed or maneuverability, mosasaurs had a low aspect ratio which correlates to maneuverability

[outer tusk]

yes

[ancient crystal]

Theoretically? Well, theoretically a man can be living on the moon.

Realistically? No.

[paper parcel]

I mean, a smaller sauropod could probably survive today.

[charred hearth]

how flexible would mosasaurids be? would it be similar to modern day monitor lizards?

[warped peak]

And gravity is only a theory

[paper parcel]

Let me hope in something 😭

[charred hearth]

you'd have more luck in hoping aliens would come visit earth.

[warped peak]

Hope is fine but don't let it cloud judgements

[serene sedge]

No, if we are talking about a sauropod surviving to modern day in the Amazon then absolutely not. If we are talking about a hypothetical sauropod that happens to exist in an Amazon like environment then yes.

[charred hearth]

the only sauropod that you could even consider living in the amazon forest is magaryosaurus

[stiff osprey]

eh, forest elephants get pretty big

[paper parcel]

forest amargasaurus or forest diplodocus would be pretty cool

[stiff osprey]

diplodocus is too long but i can see a dicraeosaur in a rainforest

[charred hearth]

amargasaurus mention

[paper parcel]

Everything is cooler with sails, even sauropods

Definitely peak design

[serene sedge]

DEAR GOD YOU LEFT OUT SPINOSAURUS, how could you leave out the most recognizable sailman known to us?

[paper parcel]

On purpose

[velvet burrow]

Based

[outer tusk]

do we call what Concavenator have a sail?

[charred hearth]

i thought it was a hump?

[serene sedge]

screaming and or sobbing

[balmy oyster]

Its kinda just…both

[paper parcel]

Only so many times you can look at THE SAILED DINOSAUR, before you start going mad

[tough parcel]

The Acrocanthus

[thorn grove]

why does the sauropod have baleen for teeth

[paper parcel]

No idea😭

[balmy oyster]

Diplodocoid shenanigans

[queen oar]

diplodocoid tooth slippage

[balmy oyster]

That too

[ancient crystal]

Portuguese man o' wars are not cool

[paper parcel]

I have a fear of jellyfish too, the fact that a living balloon with neurotoxic whips exists that could just randomly appear scares me

[balmy oyster]

You’re right they are awesome

[ancient crystal]

Well they aren't jellyfish.

But they're the worst things ever, I'll tell you that. I've been on multiple shark tagging trips where all you'll see are Man O' Wars drifting by, getting caught in our lines and other fishing gear, which we then have to remove them from and because they're gelatinous they kinda just fall apart and its super gross.

That and they can kill you.

[paper parcel]

Jellyfish like but still

[ancient crystal]

They're actually probably less solid than your average jellyfish now that I think about it. Horrible death goo balloons

[charred hearth]

is it true man o wars can get longer then bluewhales?

[balmy oyster]

No, think that was the lion’s mane jellyfish

[charred hearth]

ah, alright

[ancient crystal]

Not sure about man o wars, lion mane jellies can and by a decent margin.

[charred hearth]

to think the predator of the longest animal is a sea turtle..

[ancient crystal]

Well to think the largest predator on earth hunts almost exclusively the smallest possible prey

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-gif-4610541527149907170

[jovial granite]

Ooooo what are y'all talkin aboooout

[ancient crystal]

We're having our weekly allowed non-paleontology science discussion before the moderators put a stop to it