paleontology

[hallow spear]

reddit :Sob:

[runic rover]

(by the way it is fancy seeing you here Stego, are you out of PE?)

[outer tusk]

pardon?

[full lagoon]

From what I see in the show they are always in a very odd, modern bird pose

[patent mist]

I've seen far worse rexes in media, but the wwd 2025 one seems off. The arms are anchored on the side of the body when they should be closer to the inside of the chest with the belly bulging out behind them. Both the belly and legs look too thin from the front. There seems to be a weird overhand with the lips and i assume they just overclosed the jaws? (also no way in heck that rex weighs only 8 tons)

[umbral kite]

bey guys do you think some hadrosaurus did this https://youtube.com/shorts/sPKhREIxa94?si=r7KXF0HhlaSgDKag

Pls be mindful this is the only time i could this so it the only video i found

[queen oar]

Kinda of the purpose, I believe.

[full lagoon]

Even in that image they seem have an odd bias to folding back and upwards, which seems very unlike a non avian dinosaur

[full lagoon]

It's questionable that they would look like that as animals that couldn't fly and had the potential to actually use their arms

[outer tusk]

seems pretty fine to me unless otherwise stated

[full lagoon]

Yeah I'm not sure if there's any confirmation on its positioning in life, but it just seems odd, especially compared to other dinosaurs.

[outer tusk]

well the thing is dromaeosaurs are much closer to avians then other non-avians dinosaurs well actually because they are paraves so it's fine

[full lagoon]

Still wouldn't dictate that their arm positioning would be nearly identical, but I get why people reconstruct it like that.

[queen oar]

so in Pennaraptora, which is before Paraves, which Paraves itself includes Dromaeosauridae... Pennaraptora includes Oviraptorosauria, and Oviraptorosauria has many taxa who have either independently evolved, or commonly share by default, conjunctive tissue anatomy already, maybe almost, identical to the same anatomy that allows Birds to flap their wings, which tends to be associated with the capabilities of flight and the same posture of the arms being discussed. To say the least, if they have it, it's not unwise to suggest that Dromaeosaurids also have it. Although, I don't know if there's anything about them in literature

[fluid inlet]

Who gonna tell them 😒

No buddy , it can’t.

Lol T. rex for Tyrannosaurus rex makes sense 💀

[hallow spear]

I did not originate in pe no!

[runic heart]

The lip thing will be explained someday.. hopefully this year. As for the arms, yeah I guess; haven’t seen many rex designs get the arm thing right.

[queen oar]

I thought it was explained in what... 2024? What do you mean it's going to be explained again?

[opaque kayak]

Liplodon

[outer tusk]

there's apparently a new "paper" coming about the specfics on the lips used for theropods like the tyrannosaurs in WWD 2025 which am gonna be an ass about, I don't think it's gonna be special at all

[queen oar]

truly necessary.

[fluid inlet]

Perucetus doesn’t waste its opinion with those below it. Meh.

[queen oar]

The Perucetus does not concern itself with endless dinosaur discussions.

[hazy basalt]

Yeah the lip thing had something to do with the blood vessels on the skull resembling turtles more than squamates or crocodiles?? Lemme find the blog post about it.

[hallow spear]

Meilyn Quarry Cf. Hesperosaurus mjosi

[queen oar]

oh no, not Cau again.

[full lagoon]

I get that musculature would be really similar, but it seems counterintuitive to develop large claws on your hands if they aren't in the proper position to do anything but flap. (I'm not arguing against the science, I'm just suggesting that there might be more to uncover in this regard)

[fluid inlet]

Such a inferior species https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/03/12/multimedia/29-TB-whale-01-qmtf/29-TB-whale-01-qmtf-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

This animal however, is truly eye candy to the naked eye. A beautiful animal in every sense of the imagination. https://preview.redd.it/the-ancient-colossal-pervuvian-whale-perucetus-colossus-art-v0-81gtooer7rgb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=ce91ca798ca4dcdaed96a5d3f06591919414c536

Even in size reduction , we marvel at this beautiful creation life has brought to us.

[charred hearth]

oh! whens the beautiful creature gonna appear?

[runic rover]

It's so funny that with every single colossal monster we found out there living in worlds where the extreme were normal... And still the blue whale is constantly the biggest. I can't even understand how, how did nothing get beyond that size?!

[full lagoon]

Because it's simply not practical

[queen oar]

if you assume that by having that kinda of arm posture, it means that you cannot use your claws. You're probably mistaken, as Ostriches do in-fact use the claws on their wings. But assuming you are referring to actions such as holding, and by extension, piercing their claws on prey items, although the flexibility of a Dromaeosaur has been tested before ( Deinonychus ), that was only so in the realms of potential, and not so much exploring if such flexibility could be used in practice or in consideration to how the conjunctive tissues of the arms would be reconstructed. That kinda has been discussed before in this channel

[hazy basalt]

Here’s the blog, it is by Cau.

https://theropoda.blogspot.com/2023/07/all-hail-to-terrifying-face-of-turtle.html?m=1
translate the page with the widget.

[fluid inlet]

Well there is the fragmentary ichthyosaur , so I wouldn’t be certain for sure nothing reached that size.

Remember lack of material doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

[full lagoon]

In terms of overall mass it most likely would have been much lighter regardless

[charred hearth]

remember that tyrannosaurus, the blue whale and argentinasaurus run a secret hitman buisness to make sure nothing surpasses them in size in their respective catagories

[fluid inlet]

Well the Indian titan sauropod is very likely bigger than argentinosaurus. And there is a lot of fragmentary carcharodontosaurids that can be in that size range.

Size estimates are like hot potatoes always changing in paleontology, I don’t hold anything with certainty.

For the blue what you might be right , you might not be.

[queen oar]

Sometimes I wonder what Cau is having before he writes a blogpost

[fluid inlet]

Blue whale is just ridiculous massive anyways , at peak weight. Really doesn’t make sense for most things to even get that big.

[full lagoon]

It's only sustainable in very particular circumstances, and it's definitely showing today as they are struggling to find enough food.

[ancient crystal]

No, its actually an eldritch cult. Theres a reason why paleontologists go mad so often, the bones of their rivals throughout all space and time are cursed from birth to be small and frail, and interacting with these accursed remains causes the GSPs and David Peters of the world

[fluid inlet]

Gotta imagine how much human intervention has to do with that tho. We are parasites to the planet.

[full lagoon]

It's mainly us, yeah (if not completely.)

I can't imagine how fortunate we are to be alive with the largest animal in recorded history

[tulip dove]

Fortunate for us but the most unfortunate thing for them

[full lagoon]

For sure

[fluid inlet]

Well

We bigger ‼️‼️

[queen oar]

Tyrannosaurus at this point has a secret propaganda department somewhere

[patent mist]

I doubt the study will say anything about lips overhanging. I would assume there would be quite a lot of room for variation in results as with most things paleo.

[fossil ingot]

Why?

[queen oar]

dead chat.

[runic rover]

I know there is one, I just can't prove it.

[compact leaf]

that indian titanosaur has no remains and we don’t know what its even related to, it isn’t “very likely” bigger we can say basically nothing about it beyond “it’s really big”

[ashen wedge]

Yes, but at the same time tho, people call aptosaurus “brontosaurus” still

[fading dawn]

where/what is the best place(s) to read all the latest paleo news?

[warped peak]

(No, it is not very likely, its more likely smaller)

[fluid inlet]

Whatever helps you sleep at night jr

[warped peak]

Why would an animal that is less robust than Argent be heavier

Physiologically that wouldn't work by any standard, especially not at the breaking point of biological limits

[queen oar]

like, bone robustness or body robustness?

[fluid inlet]

The kid is just chatting stuff the material is quite phenomenal. Or what once was.

[warped peak]

"Bruh" has leg bones notably thinner than is seen in Argentino

Even if its longer, it couldn't support as much weight, and therefore wouldn't be ABLE to be bigger

[queen oar]

that kinda of doesn't mean anything?

[charred hearth]

the raging in raging triceratops stands for rage bait

[fluid inlet]

He’s an emotional one. I wouldn’t get too invested.

[warped peak]

How does the bone being not able to support as much weight not mean anything when the only material of the animal is said leg bone

[queen oar]

and before you say, even in Mammals, bone robustness does not exactly correlate to weight. Or else, Palaeoloxodon antiquus would be heavier than Palaeoloxodon namadicus in weight, because guess who has more robust bones?

[compact leaf]

the bone doesn’t even exist anymore you quite literally can’t say anything about it

[fluid inlet]

You quiet can , I mean big paleontology does a lot of videos about the animal.

[warped peak]

You're not going to believe this but the largest Antiquus specimens are likely larger than the largest Namadicus specimens

[queen oar]

yeah, I believe that. But that is talking about it being larger, and not heavier lol.

[warped peak]

I'm talking about it being heavier.

[compact leaf]

in biology larger basically always refers to mass not dimensions

[warped peak]

And Proboscideans aren't nearly as extreme. An 80 ton animal is pushing the limits of physiology. Argent's bones would already be under extreme constraints. A sauropod larger than it could not physically have less robust leg bones

[tawdry lintel]

Paleosaniwa vs a just born T rex, who do u think would win ?

[compact leaf]

a lot of those really big estimates for it also restore it as something looking like argentinosaurus, the sauropods living in india at the time would have looked different

[fluid inlet]

What lmao

[warped peak]

Only graphic I have on hand at the moment but theres more I can dig up if you want

Bone width, in every family, is more reliably than bone length. For almost every single bone.

[fluid inlet]

Send me the paper my good pal.

[warped peak]

Its not a paper because theres no proper material to right a paper on.

[fluid inlet]

Write * also Tameryraptor got a paper quite literally.

[queen oar]

genuine question, this was set by who exactly? and when? Because I learned that bigger refers to mass, and not larger. So I would at least like to know who and when this has been a thing.

[warped peak]

Tameryraptor had well documented material

[compact leaf]

bigger and larger meaning different things is not a thing, saying an animal is bigger or larger will both generally refer to mass

[queen oar]

Okay, but it was set by who and when?

[fluid inlet]

So there’s no paper this information is basically I should take your word for it pal?

[warped peak]

Better than anything GSP has to say

Greg Gilmorelarsontyrannus Paul

[compact leaf]

it’s just how it’s done in science to keep a consistent measure, nobody necessarily set it that’s just how it is lol

[fluid inlet]

I think I’ll refer to guys like Darius Nau over someone on discord pal.

[queen oar]

I don't care who said it, I just wanna know if there is a actual source to that. Or else I'll simply take it as " You can do it as subjectively as you want ".

[outer tusk]

☠️ as if Darius Nau doesn't have a discord

[warped peak]

What do I know, I'm just a Paleobiology student frequently doing fieldwork and organizing large scale papers

[compact leaf]

argentinosaurus is a lognkosaur, a predominantly south american clade, india has other titanosaur groups but no lognkosaurs so restoring it like argentinosaurus doesn’t make much sense

[fluid inlet]

Everyone has a discord Tim.

[queen oar]

But can you tell who did it first and set that standard?

[outer tusk]

So why the "over someone on discord"

[charred hearth]

weird question but do you guys believe Xiphactinus would go after humans or would we too big of a target?

[warped peak]

Because it fits his agenda to pretend I'm not an educated member of the field

[zealous ravine]

Talenkauen is the best elasmarian, no debate

[fluid inlet]

I’m saying I’m not taking a take my word for it as a proven source on discord. No papers on it just trust me big bro.

[charred hearth]

i dont know if i'd feel safe swimming with this thing

[compact leaf]

how is there supposed to be a paper for fossils that dissolved in a monsoon and have nothing but bad quality pictures 😂

[fluid inlet]

@queen oar what you think is that fair ? 🤨

[warped peak]

• Quoting a paper by one of the most infamously bad paleontologists out there who repeatedly commits taxonomic vandalism on the basis of wanting to name things first and garner as much attention as possible

Gregory S Paul is actively a detriment to the field.

[outer tusk]

Majority of discussions regarding anything Paleo might not even be discuss in papers but can still be useful regardless if they are noted in a paper or not

[ancient crystal]

Here

No its not. Run. Run far away. This channel will be your tomb.

[bright veldt]

Xiphactinus are known to have killed themselves eating things too big for them. They absolutely would try to eat us probably.

[compact leaf]

no I can’t, but talk to any biologist or paleontologist and they’ll agree that it’s the standard way of doing things

[outer tusk]

Proof, Xiphactinus were the first gamblers

[ancient crystal]

The common fish folly of, "if too big, why mouth sized?"

[compact leaf]

I’m willing to bet at least one would succeed too

[charred hearth]

i'd feel safer swimming with meg then i would ever feel swimming with xip or tylo

[fluid inlet]

It’s pretty undignified but I digress , I’m going to get my daily raspberry lemonade Iced tea. Enjoy the day fellas the day is young.

[outer tusk]

That sounds ass

[fluid inlet]

Not my fault you drink faucet water, have a good day.

[queen oar]

Oh, so is there any Biologist or Paleontologist here who I can consult here, and that can give me the source of that? Because otherwise, what is the point of your correction, if you can't even cite a source to what you claim to be something so consistent in biology, that apparently it doesn't even have any origins in scientific literature?

I mean, if it was to fail at basic scicomm, then congratulations.

[warped peak]

All we have of "Bruh" is a fragment of a leg bone

• This is an incomplete bone
• This bone is thinner than the same bone on Argentinosaurus

The only way it gets larger is if

• a) This bone that is thinner is somehow adapted to support more weight than the bone of the largest sauropod known from the heaviest built Titanosaur family out there, which thrived from a different continent entirely
• b) The bone is reconstructed as longer than the same bone in Argentinosaurus, which would also likely correlate with the animal being notably more cursorial

[compact leaf]

if you want a scientist so bad you’re looking at one, I’m a wildlife biologist and that’s how I do things and it’s how every wildlife biologist I know does things

[queen oar]

Okay then, can you tell me a source? Where the term " Large " and any variations is used purely to refer to weight? Like can you do that?

[warped peak]

Honestly how it became standard to measure size by weight is an interesting question

[sullen cairn]

perhaps it depends on context and we can use context clues to read the room

[queen oar]

Because, i'm totally willing to apologize to any way that i'm being rude to you, because I'd admit, i'm being an a**. But, you can't simply correct someone, and then just slap them with a " Trust me, bro "

[compact leaf]

I can tell you why it’s done not necessarily how it originated, we do it that way to keep measurements consistent. standardizing larger or bigger to one measurement means that you don’t have to get confused over the possibility of not every measurement exceeding a different animal

[fluid inlet]

Nothing rude with asking for credible sources 👍🏽

[charred hearth]

what does raspberry lemonade iced tea even taste like?

[warped peak]

Its important to remember that papers aren't always credible sources, and the credibility of the source is determined on the origin and the people involved with it

[fluid inlet]

A explosion of feelings

[outer tusk]

☝️

[vocal rover]

Raspberries

[fluid inlet]

Raspberries have many health benefits I might add.

[compact leaf]

so like if I have 5 species of snake trapped and some are definitely longer than others but not heavier, saying which is the biggest might get complicated unless we standardize it to just mass (and mass is what we always use)

[queen oar]

So, you are saying that is simply collective consensus?

[compact leaf]

there almost definitely is something out there actually cementing it too but it’s definitely a collective consensus

[queen oar]

So cool.

[charred hearth]

what even caused this

[queen oar]

Bruhathkayosaurus, apparently.

[ancient crystal]

Is this the larger shouldn't just refer to mass arguement?

[tough parcel]

Shout-out to Borealopelta's holotype breaking and falling

[wooden bluff]

Not-Ceratosaurus

[opaque kayak]

Yadagiri, P. and Ayyasami, K. (1987) A Carnosaurian Dinosaur from the Kallamedu Formation (Maestrichtian Horizon), Tamil Nadu. Geological Survey of India Special Publications, 1, 523-528.

[outer tusk]

not my goat

[queen oar]

Can I do a suggestion?

[fluid inlet]

A interesting animal, the big beautiful sauropod from India. Currently getting my raspberry tea tho.

[wooden bluff]

please

[warped peak]

I'll get a rough skeletal for it together soon based off of proportions and Indian titanosaurs

[queen oar]

Genyodectes, just the skull. Let people suffer with the rest of the skeleton

[fluid inlet]

Send me the photo again of it next to argentinosaurus however.

[compact leaf]

make it a scaled up isisaurus it would be really funny

[fluid inlet]

Another animal I find quite more interesting than Argentinosaurus.

[wind prairie]

zamtrios

[ancient crystal]

Oh come on mods, that was funny!

[wooden bluff]

but it is just a few teeth

[queen oar]

that's why it's funny.

[lavish minnow]

Me doing the thumbs down emote even though I didn’t see it

[ancient crystal]

I was (rightfully) poking fun at the absurdity of this current arguement

[lavish minnow]

I’m also not caught up on that either LOL

[warped peak]

No straight up, most of the options are similar

Missed Isisaurus one second

[fluid inlet]

Rapetosaurus ?

[queen oar]

@outer tusk Would you turn into a Gorgosaurus and be subjected to T.M. Opera O's song?

[warped peak]

Welcome to the forms of Titanosaurs other than Argentinosaurus

Argent has short proportional legs, as opposed to both known Titanosaurs from India and Bruhathkayosaurus, which has cursorial adapted legbones

[runic rover]

Is that my beloved Atlasaurus?

[warped peak]

Isisaurus but similar! Although unrelated somehow.

[compact leaf]

actually Wes I think you do have atlasaurus there lol

[queen oar]

yeah, it's Atlasaurus

[warped peak]

Yeah my bad lmfao

All these leggy sauropods blend together. Here we go.

[fluid inlet]

I actually like this, definitely unique.

[compact leaf]

it’s cursed that the two can even be confused with each other at all let alone so easily

[queen oar]

@warped peak you should be funny and do Bruh as like a undefined Macronarian.

I'm just saying, it would be funny

[warped peak]

If it was possible it'd be funny. But the fact that Bruhath has more in common not just anatomically but geographically with Isisaurus type animals is hilarious

[compact leaf]

a big example of the short necked saltasaur group would be interesting

[warped peak]

Would also explain a lot about it honestly.

Size being used as a coding feature for phylogeny and comparing relatives is dangerous as a precedent and stupid. And has repeatedly yielded stupid results for every animal it has been used for

[queen oar]

I mean, yeah. But Bruh is kinda like those " Potential Dinosaurs "

" Give me mass estimates, "
" Give me size estimates, "
" Or I turn into dust! "

So it's not surprising that most people tend to emphasize only on it's dimensions and mass.

[warped peak]

Paul and Larramendi are exceptionally bad for this in the field too

Larramendi also did this with lost bones with unverified measurements to get giant Palaeoloxodon

[charred hearth]

would you guys say nano was the most significant finding of 2025?

[queen oar]

yah.

[ancient crystal]

I think its mostly just that people want there to be a larger animal than the current largest, regardless of the science.

People want the giant ichthyosaurs to be larger than the blue whale, they want giga to be larger than rex, and bruhtha larger than argent.

[charred hearth]

would you guys say nano is currently the most significant finding of the 2020's?

[ancient crystal]

Nah, it was paulodon, obviously

Saying that name makes me gag

[bright veldt]

I don’t know in terms of significance but it is very much a historical moment imo

[fluid inlet]

Not to me

[charred hearth]

I feel like it'd either be Stegouros or nano

[queen oar]

I mean, realistically speaking, this is only a product of the kinda of culture cultivated in the community and outside the community. Where dimensions and mass are seem as significant achievements, that takes priority over anything.

[fluid inlet]

This is not nano

[charred hearth]

because it was through Stegouros that Parankylosauria was established right?

[ancient crystal]

Yes that's my point.

People don't care about the science, or how bad or good an estimate is, if it's potentially larger no matter the methods then for all intents and purposes it is larger in a lot of people's eyes.

[queen oar]

So, the current standard is never " Enough ", it's kinda like... People treat prehistoric animals, as if they were like uuuuh... Speedruns, right? Where essentially, they are just waiting for the new big guy to beat the record.

[warped peak]

Spicomellus or Temno are what I'd personally raise as most important but Nanotyrannus is by far the most culturally impactful

[bright veldt]

Nanotyrannus is not really significant because it’s back. More so that for it being so insanely controversial, with the current precedent being hard against nano’s validity, the fact that the evidence and science was so sound that EVERYONE basically universally agreed with it is unheard of prior. I’ve never seen anything like it.

[fluid inlet]

It has to be Temno for me by a big gap.

[warped peak]

I mean its cool but its not redefining a family history like Spicomellus is

[charred hearth]

Stegouros son or Spicomellus daughter

[fluid inlet]

Oh it’s quin

[queen oar]

Nanotyrannus IS significant tbh. Like it or not, the fact that it's " Back ", it's kinda what allowed for people to discuss about serious behaviour in the community, either outside or inside the field. I think the most relevant of these examples have been the author behind Jurassic Fight Club talking in a facebook post about the harassment they received on the time, JUST because of the Nanotyrannus episode.

[charred hearth]

who's that

[queen oar]

It's culturally impactful, because it's only now that aspects about the culture around Nanotyrannus are finally being addressed to some extent... Even if so minimally, mind you.

Not something you can get with Tyrannosaurus tho.

[warped peak]

In terms of community, Nanotyrannus is the winner by far

In terms of scientific impact, probably Spicomellus

Is my opinion

[fluid inlet]

Was the perma frost saber tooth cat last year? Time be flying I can’t even keep up.

[queen oar]

You old.

[compact leaf]

the temnodontosaurus thing is really cool but I wouldn’t call it more significant than the plesiosaur or diplodocus skin papers, there’s been a lot of really good skin stuff in the 2020s

[fluid inlet]

My father told me to never get old, I should of listened to him

[charred hearth]

arent you balding at 26?

[fluid inlet]

lol what no

[queen oar]

@warped peak Would you be a Palaeoloxodon?

[charred hearth]

tldr on what makes spicomellus so special?

[warped peak]

Nah I'm a Pseudocyon

[queen oar]

potential early thyreophoran diversity?

[warped peak]

Entire anatomy changed for one of the only basal Thyreophorans

We have almost no record of basal thyreophorans, especially Ankylosaurs, and the armor of Spicomellus affects a lot on our understanding of their evolution. Including huge support for the idea that the armor was originally an adaptation for display that slowly got adapted into defense

[charred hearth]

the glow up was truly insane for this thing

[queen oar]

Would you be a Spicomellus?

[charred hearth]

would you like to be a Xiphactinus

[queen oar]

Yeah

[queen oar]

Would you be a Coelophysis?

[charred hearth]

i've heard Xiphactinus speed estimates that put it to be like, barracuda, is this false or true?

[fluid inlet]

I’m terrible at dinosaur feet idk why

[thorn grove]

feet are very intricate

[balmy oyster]

Spicomelus is just “oh some basal members were porcupines. Cool.”

Nano’s existence has disproven decades of tyrannosaurus ontogeny research, and proves how ecosystems are vastly more diverse than how much we have been trying to make them not.

[warped peak]

Decades of ontogeny on a single animal, vs redefining the ancestry of a family

[tough parcel]

Fooor Nanotyrannus

[balmy oyster]

Nanotyrannus being valid rewrites a lot of what we thought we knew, and may begin a new arc of looking back in previous ecosystems and formations to restudy them

[balmy oyster]

Again what does spicomelus prove? That some jurassic species were spiky? The variation is dope do not get me wrong, but it’s not exactly “groundbreaking” and flips everything on its head

it’s like if it turned out sauroph was a carcharodontosaurid theropod this whole time, pretty cool but we knew they had been around that time & the morrison is quite vast

Spico is intruiging, but nano was some pretty damn big news and you can’t undermine it.

[warped peak]

It demonstrates the origin and ancestral form of Ankylosaur armor, alongside proving its ancestral purpose and corroborating the growing belief that Ankylosaurs engaged in significant intraspecific combat

It is also the oldest known Ankylosaur period, which means they developed this complex display armor incredibly early in their evolution and changes their overall ancestry as a whole

In terms of Ankylosaurs, it very much does flip almost everything on its head

[fluid inlet]

Back up fish this is my fight

[undone rapids]

The raging triceratops disrespects the ankylosaur grandpa

[balmy oyster]

I mean maybe? even things like scuto and scelido seemed more on the defensive side than for display, and frankly spico could just be a one-off thing that went to go do something different unlike other ankylosaurs.

Like how some birds tried to evolve wing membranes unlike the specialized scaled ones, but it lead to nowhere and “regular birds” continued on.

[tough parcel]

I feel like both sides need to recognize that for their groups, the animals are incredibly important

But in the grand scheme of things, paleontology isn't important because there's no oil

[balmy oyster]

The true paleontology was the oil we made along the way

[undone rapids]

Abelisaurs are the only important ones

[warped peak]

I would argue that, on a blank slate, Nanotyrannus is less important than Spicomellus

However, so much of paleontology as an idea and concept are based on Tyrannosaurus that any change on it is disproportionately impactful

[balmy oyster]

It’s time we found a unicorn pachycephalosaur to complete the trio of winged birds and porcupine ankys

[thorn grove]

We should find a winged sauropod

[tough parcel]

Paleontology doesn't matter because it's not contributing to the economy!

[balmy oyster]

Spoken like a true politician

[warped peak]

Paleontology is bad because its taking away from important resources, like the 4 trillion dollar military budget

[runic heart]

Paleo jobs won’t be taken by ai, cause who’s gonna pay to have an ai do everything.

[balmy oyster]

We can defeat it by asking for seahorse emoji

[balmy oyster]

This is where we show blackrock jurassic world so it convinces them to be interested in dinosaurs so we can both get more funding and research while they bring back dinosaurs for military conflict

[undone rapids]

Unless... Dinosaur Crypto!!!

[winter marsh]

Military being paleontology's biggest opp (destroyed kem kem)

[tough parcel]

And I'd do it again

[winter marsh]

Why invest into war and death when we can invest into exploding the ground and finding cool bone-shaped rocks

[balmy oyster]

Invest into mecha dinosaurs

[winter marsh]

Clankerdromeus

[fluid inlet]

That’s a derogatory word.

[ancient crystal]

Clankerceratops

[charred hearth]

whats a paleontology opinion that will have you like this?

[hallow spear]

no

[charred hearth]

what would you say it is?

[warped peak]

I agree with what Scan was saying

Its absolutely a historical moment and has huge ramifications for the field. But the discovery ITSELF isn't something earth shattering. Its the impact it causes that is huge

[plush fossil]

That I find frilled Dilophosaurus cool and wouldn't mind if it was true probably...

[charred hearth]

you mean possibly?

[outer tusk]

yeah, chat jump him

[charred hearth]

what is the function of the frill on the frilled lizard?

[serene sedge]

Intimidation and display

[tough parcel]

.

[charred hearth]

boost

[ancient crystal]

No, frilled dilophosaurus is actually really cool and a great example of accuracy not being the ultimate factor in design.

JP Dilophosaurus suffers from being undersized and having a frog face

[charred hearth]

i find it so funny the scrapped retcon name for jp dilo is Chlamydosaurus sputori

[ancient crystal]

Give big boy a frill and you have the JP dilo as it should have been

[hallow spear]

Spicomellus/Thyreosaurus

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

maybe monsters ressurected spinosaurus was actually accurately sized....

[queen oar]

Would you be a Frilled Dilophosaurus, Kuitaran?

[lavish frigate]

That would’ve been actually hilarious

[outer tusk]

no

[queen oar]

why not?

[outer tusk]

I don't like being animal that has a weird triat that's never gonna be used

[charred hearth]

becuase who'd wanna be called Chlamydosaurus

[queen oar]

Skill Issue, tbh.

[ancient crystal]

Incorrect, the trait is very useful for aura farming. An essential part of their lifecycle.

[queen oar]

Man gonna say " I wouldn't be a Dragon, because Dragons don't exist!! "

[outer tusk]

yes it was def not be used in some overdone 2010s paleoart like some All Yesterday's spinoff

[queen oar]

@outer tusk But would you make a appearance in All Yesterdays? If you could

[outer tusk]

yeah sure

[queen oar]

Kuitaran is Heatmor your favorite pokémon or something?

[charred hearth]

heatmor? zu
durant, ruBL

[queen oar]

so true, yet so sad.

[ancient crystal]

Its actually Durant

[queen oar]

It's Heatran.

[ancient crystal]

Ok, if you look up Durant or any similar query like "Steel Ant Pokemon" google first comes up with multiple images of Kevin Durant

[queen oar]

@outer tusk Would you be a Heatmor and eat Durants?

[runic heart]

Ds mosasaur remodel is really accurate, but the bag was fumbled, and prognathodon is way too fat.

[outer tusk]

it's not

[charred hearth]

the head looks off to me

[runic heart]

Really?

[outer tusk]

uh yeah? it's not very too fat like what are you cooking

[queen oar]

It looks adorably chunky to me.

[runic heart]

Are these not the most up-to-date body shapes for mosasaurs?

[queen oar]

these are terrifyingly skinny to me.

[outer tusk]

you know you could've just posted Diocles' prognathodon since we're talking about Prognathodon, right?

[queen oar]

Well, they did.

[runic heart]

Maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about. Care to explain it better?

[plush fossil]

No, I mean 'probably' as 'i'd probably get jumped for it'
I know it's impossible

[charred hearth]

you look real jumpable rn

[queen oar]

Also Tylosaurus proriger was described by Cope? Pog.

[outer tusk]

simply put DS prognathodon is fine accuracy wise and even if it's not the differences are so SO SO damn minor that you would just be nitpicking at that point since the there's no real goal to make these models the "most accurate" just an improvement or their original models

[runic heart]

The thickness is very much different though, is it not? That’s all I’m pointing out.

[queen oar]

I mean, I would ask to blame for any reasons behind his decisions. But, he lost his discord account since 2025, so yeeeeeah...

[runic heart]

Reef made the models, so he’d be the one to ask.

[outer tusk]

problem is the model isn't made model by Blame

[ancient crystal]

They are deeply upsetting to look at

(No hate to the artist, rather hate to the animals for looking that way)

[queen oar]

Oh, yeah I don't know that one. My bad, I made the error of assuming DS only has one modeler ( Which they do, most of the time )

[runic heart]

Reef modeled them, blame animated them.

[outer tusk]

Sarq maybe just ask Reef before trying to make these questions or asusmpution because it looks very bad and defeats the original intent. personally I just don't like it when this happens also Blame didn't animted prognathodon Seviper did

[queen oar]

Seviper? Like the Pokémon? Damn

They don't even have arms

" You telling me a Snake animated this model? "

[outer tusk]

this is not funny just fyi

[queen oar]

I know.

[ancient crystal]

I would just like to say I'm very confused

[charred hearth]

do we have any estimated speeds for xiph?

[lofty furnace]

Does amargasaurus really Just has a tall and fat neck instead of two spiky "sails"

[fossil ingot]

Seems like it yes

[lofty furnace]

Loved it

[slow shell]

Was the meg from the ice age era?

[jagged trellis]

as in last 1 million years
yeah
went extinct about.....40k years ago iirc
don't remember it emerged though

[full lagoon]

This thing's land anim in the game is hilarious

[plain spade]

Do you mean the lack there of an animation ? 😭

[full lagoon]

The newer ones actually have anims for once

[outer tusk]

it's not the lack of one just how funny it is when you go on land

[plain spade]

Dang didn’t know that, haven’t played mods in ages just last time I was on mosa there was just nothing for land

[full lagoon]

The hipheight makes it even more useless tho

[outer tusk]

yk actually thinking the hipheight woukd make more sense like that since OBIVOUSLY see animsl were fully aqautic so being on land for even a sec would feel like so much pain

So I totally didn't pull this out of my ass, but I decided that I want this thing to be a pseudo-aqautic

[halcyon cobalt]

the REAL indominus Rex

[severe yew]

the thing that is RIDICULOUS is that an entire dinosaur is suddenly created by a single footprint, a piece of a tiny bone, or even a fossilized feather, lmao

like, come on, bruv

[charred hearth]

i have a dumb question
but lets same theres a daspletosaurini and carchadontasaurusid thats the same size
do to how both are built, is it safe to assume the daspletosaurini will always be faster?

[outer tusk]

depends on many factors

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Dasp comes from a Family that is decently Fast, Most Carchs are not designed to be that Fast

[thorn grove]

daspletosaurini is more cursorial

always faster might be a leap though depending what you mean by always

[charred hearth]

i mean like, just by the standard build alone, i feel like their more built for speed then your standard carchadontasaurid build.

[outer tusk]

admitly we don't have many carcharodontosaurids in a similar size range to "daspletosaurini" but for most part they seem to be roughly the same in terms of speed

[ancient crystal]

You try to tell this to the average paleofan and I think they'd have a seizure

[winter marsh]

tameryraptor might be the closest we have to a daspletosaurini-sized carch]

[outer tusk]

ig

[charred hearth]

it was like, more like a hypothetical, if two animals of the same size but different builds ( in this case, the build of a memeber from daspletosaurini and carchadontasarus ) raced, who'd be faster

[zealous ravine]

Maybe Meraxes

[wind prairie]

wtf those are real tracks?

[outer tusk]

yes

[umbral socket]

How fast could Guan generally run?

[delicate yoke]

...did leeds get downsized to like, 12m recently?

[bright veldt]

Yes

[charred hearth]

is it still 40 tons?

[delicate yoke]

dang so its smaller than tylo now

[spice latch]

Shorter doesn’t mean smaller, it’s still a fat fish

[delicate yoke]

its still a looot smaller though, not nearly as impressive

[charred hearth]

tylo is at most 9 tons

[delicate yoke]

leeds is heavier for sure but it being rex length is just... rough

rip my goat

[plain spade]

I know it’s dubious but Veterupristisaurus. milneri is often sighted at 8-9 metres, weighing about 2 tons in weight so that seems maybe slightly more comparable, considering dasp is like 7.5m and a bit heftier? But again not a safe bet at all due to the sheer lack of remains under the genus

[vocal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/you-made-those-words-up-soldier-boy-jensen-ackles-the-boys-blasphemy-gif-26043524

[balmy oyster]

These are 2 very real clades

[runic rover]

You know the rules, anything that isn't Rex or Megalodon has to become a tadpole.

[fossil ingot]

Leeds?
About 17.5t atm, maybe changes once Dan shares its dorsal

[wooden bluff]

Hi I need your opinion on this lokiceratops

[balmy oyster]

So far looks pretty good to me

Did you base the scaling off of the scalebars or measurements

[wooden bluff]

for the head I used the edit by table because the one from the paper is to big, and the rest of the material for the measurements of the paper

[balmy oyster]

Then awesome!

[ionic crescent]

Tylo is 9-11 m depending on species

Honestly being 12 m is better for PoT lol

[tacit pine]

Why is it blue, 0/10 restart

[ionic crescent]

I like this

If you want some extra nitpicks, the cloaca goes just after the ischium (it's more separated than it should imo), I would add more keratin "bump" on the rough surface at the snout and extend the rictus (the cheeks) a tad more forward for the upper side at least

[final gulch]

i think you made it a bit small, he is the biges of the
Albertaceratopsini

[tawdry lintel]

Guan ?

[misty scarab]

Would Torvosaurus beat allosaurus anax if we use their sizes

[fossil ingot]

Both are like
Basically the same size
Who lands a bite first wins(they would just ignore eachother)

[ionic crescent]

I think it's big enough, 6-7 m

[misty scarab]

Makes sense

[fossil ingot]

Sounds about right
Random scaled it to 6.1m, 7m is already Drumheller Pachtrino territory

Oop Old version
Here the updated one

[balmy oyster]

Trex wins

[ashen wedge]

I would say, probably depends on why they are fighting, and most likely it won’t be to the death, unless extremely desperate

[runic heart]

These are neat, any more of them besides hell creek and dinosaur park here? Also what’s with the tyrannosaurus sp?

[outer tusk]

just ask Randomdinos he has alot also Tyrannosaurus sp. is a large Tyrannosaurini lacrimal that's comparable to possibly a "Stan"-sized Tyrannosaurus

[runic heart]

Neat

[fossil ingot]

T. Sp is this humble material

[fossil ingot]

A complete morphological description of Dakosaurus maximus (Crocodyliformes: Thalattosuchia) with further insights into their palaeoecology
https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2026/5775-dakosaurus-maximus-morphology-and-palaeoecology

[runic heart]

Sick

[runic heart]

Yo new surviving earth clips dropped

[wooden bluff]

I read that the scale bar of the paper skeletal doesn't have sense and doesn't fit with the actual measurements, so it is small compared to that

[outer tusk]

yep

[runic heart]

2 clips

[winter marsh]

BABY PLACODERMS

[runic heart]

Placodonts

This one seems to be Cyamodus

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus and allosaurus Anax wouldn’t fight each other at all because they weren’t around together

[charred hearth]

how early is mcreenis compared to rex?

[umbral socket]

As in, Guanlong

[tawdry lintel]

Ohhh

[ancient crystal]

Not by much, can't look too far into it rn because work but apparently the initial estimates were older than what is currently believed?

[charred hearth]

oh, becuase i heard of a tyrannosaur that was in the dinosaur park formation ( ? ) , it was in one of the formations that i b elieve was like, 73 - 72 mya?

[charred hearth]

was it mcreenis?

[balmy oyster]

mcraeensis was from the Mcrae group, the possible campanian one is from a isolated lacrimal in the judith river/two medicine region

[charred hearth]

alr ty

[charred hearth]

what are the main differences between mcraeenis and rex besides timing and location?

[topaz shell]

Iirc the like only difference due to its fragmentary nature is like the skull shape and size? Although it is basically just some bits of the skull

If it’s real which idk

[balmy oyster]

Thicker postorbital, Dentary is more slender & has curving features not too far off from zhucheng

[autumn tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-ping-kung-fu-panda-blink-nod-yes-gif-16024908

[devout haven]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-gif-25847781543691667

[hardy sentinel]

North American Zhuchengtyrannus (PLEASE)

[ashen wedge]

Did we ever get new Carnotoraurus fossils?

[balmy oyster]

Doesn’t seem like it

[ashen wedge]

Dam…..

[balmy oyster]

It’s always possible, we’re still finding new species & material from its formation

[ashen wedge]

Fair

[outer tusk]

Carnotaurus the peak of peak

[queen oar]

Would you draw a Carnotaurus?

[outer tusk]

I have in the past

[queen oar]

But would you do it again?

[outer tusk]

yeah

[umbral socket]

Bump

[charred hearth]

how many feet / legs does arthropleura have?

[queen oar]

the real question is how fast can @tough parcel run?

[charred hearth]

the real question is how many questions @queen oar can ask random people

[queen oar]

depends on how creative I am, and how random the question will feel.

[ashen wedge]

So…. How tall was it? We don’t know its legs, do we?

[queen oar]

For example, would you choose infinite bacon but no games, or infinite games but no games?

[outer tusk]

2.5meters

[ashen wedge]

How do we know the leg length? Just curious, and plus what happens if it turns out to be taller like how spinosaurus turned out to be a short king

[bright veldt]

relatives

[wooden bluff]

I think you forgot the bacons in the second one

[outer tusk]

I would advised reading the top part

[queen oar]

wdym?

[plush fossil]

didnt really expect to see cerato pop up here, is it related to carnotaurus? im uninformed
or is it just because they both have like...horns

[outer tusk]

distantly related as both are ceratosaurs since abelisaurids are within ceratosauria

it being used only because both have "horns" is pretty stupid in logistics sense, since any theropod that most people think has "horns" like cryolophosaurus, even dilo to an extent or even tyrannosaurs would be just as useful

[keen citrus]

Are chickens really descendants of Tyrannosaurus rex

[balmy oyster]

Not even remotely

[keen citrus]

I need an explanation on how it isn’t a Trex, all I know is that chickens have similar cells to Trex from what I heard

[umbral socket]

From what I know, all birds are descended from smaller, feathered theropods which connects them to all dinosaurs, including Tyrannosaurus

So it's more of a broader relation than direct

[bright veldt]

It's an oversimplification basically. Birds in general are dinosaurs like t. rex or triceratops. The chicken isn't particularly more related to t. rex than any other bird.

[balmy oyster]

I think this image sums it up nicely

The two didn’t share a common ancestor in hundreds of millions of years, matter of fact birds were a thing long before rex was

[keen citrus]

Ah I see now, thanks for explaining

[fluid inlet]

Thanks

[charred hearth]

is asia , europe and north america the only places we found tyrannosaurids?

actually, i dont even know if they were found in europe, im pretty sure olorititan lived with one?

or do they have the same range as ceratopsoids being only found in asia and NA?

[balmy oyster]

Don’t recall any from Europe, think it was just NA & Asia for now

[charred hearth]

i wonder why none ever made it too europe atleast

also, i find it interesting how we have multiple asian tyrannosaurids and only one asian ceratopsoid, ie, sinoceratops

[balmy oyster]

Meanwhile nodosaurs and ankylosaurus kinda just did whatever

[bright veldt]

Late Cretaceous Europe has a very odd faunal distribution. It's kind of a mix of Asian and African migrants plus endemics.

[charred hearth]

i wonder why sino is the only asian ceratopsoid we have, is it just preservation bias not helping them out?

[bright veldt]

We don't really know.

[balmy oyster]

Maybe, but from the looks of it they didn’t seem to care to going into asia

[charred hearth]

sino is just so interesting to me as its the only one of its kind and being massive for its time amongst other ceratopsoids, wasnt it semi early amongst its kind?

[balmy oyster]

It was the same time when centrosaurs were still going strong before everything died and got replaced with tricerstops and torosaurus

[charred hearth]

damn.
the hell creek gang really just out here killing and replacing everyone

[undone rapids]

We have the thigh bone of carno and close relatives that have complete legs. It probably wasn't like Majungasaurus/Spinosaurus

[stiff osprey]

reconstructing carno's legs based on majungasaurus (which isn't closely related to it) still only gets like 10cm shorter legs than my skeletal anyway

[runic rover]

So did anybody see that new thing about Torvo?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dinosaurs/s/Dz6kCNOWOW

[wooden bluff]

Hii, I finished my lokiceratops, and also edited a version for albertaceratops

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Inspector's Rex

[undone rapids]

yeah its being worked on, hopefully it'll be published sometime soon

Here's a good look at its material from the people that collected it iirc : https://youtu.be/3Oh3Y5VOne0

It was sold to a Museum and is now being described

[ionic crescent]

Won't you extend the rictus? Just asking

[runic heart]

Isn’t Elvis’s skull just warped? I heard that’s why it looks so different.

[undone rapids]

I don't think elvis has that much of the skull, so idk how much is distorted

[runic rover]

It does look very distorted if I have to be honest

[tawdry lintel]

How accurate is this about Megs ?

[queen oar]

it's awesome.

[tawdry lintel]

This ones more accurate, correct ?

[rancid dove]

I feel like the pot meg is a bit big

[coral forge]

almost everything in PoT is too big

[thorn grove]

Magnapaulia laticaudus spotted

[queen oar]

Magnapaulia

[rancid dove]

honestly most of the 2-slot ones are good, except for Alio and meg

[coral forge]

thal is nearly 4 meters tall

[rancid dove]

i forgot thal,achilo

[queen oar]

Imagine being 4 meters tall

[coral forge]

I don't have to

[brave nova]

Achi… Thal… 2 of the most oversized ones in pot 😭 Ceras also like double as wide as it should be

[charred hearth]

magnapaulia, whats your opinion on your biggest size rivals, shant and edmonto?

[coral forge]

meg is also like 4 meters tall when reared up
conc and pachy were like 2 meters at the hip pre tlc, idk about now

[brave nova]

Conc didn’t get a model change I can’t member if pachy did

[coral forge]

Who let edmontofraudus in here 🥀
My smallest specimen is almost as big as their average get bro out of here

[brave nova]

Oh that was longgggg ago before it’s recent move tlc

[rancid dove]

Conca is good, just a bit of texture or a few touches and it's fine

[coral forge]

this is 3 years ago

[charred hearth]

you know not to speak ill of shant

[charred hearth]

someone send the itchyovenator x concavenator gif

[coral forge]

gets folded by zhuchengtyrannus
-# (ignore the El Gallo tyrannosaur that is at minimum the same size as Magna holotype, we dont talk about that)

[queen oar]

true

[charred hearth]

is it true your secretly lambeosaurus going under a new name due to the law being after you?

[coral forge]

The law would never go after lambeosaurus, he's too perfect

[charred hearth]

jealousy or self admiration? you decide

[outer tusk]

ngl idk why they changed the head for TLC concave

[queen oar]

Any comment on their problematic comments from March 13, 2025?

[coral forge]

I plead the fifth

[plush fossil]

Ooh I see

[charred hearth]

is concave the closet relative to tyrannotitan in game?

[plush fossil]

I would have to believe so if we're talking about vanilla dinos but I have no clue

[weak bay]

Allo maybe idk

[brave nova]

Official playables only yes

[fossil ingot]

Use Random's Conc smh

[fossil ingot]

Not much difference but I prefer this one

[fossil ingot]

Now a drawing based on the skeletal and in a Threatened(or however its written) posture

[fossil ingot]

Random's should be better than Justice's but justine works for weight
Basically Random's for lateral and justice for dorsal(its just an edited Bates Acro to match Conc)

[cloud breach]

Isnt that his old one

[fossil ingot]

Yes Stonks used the old one
Tmk the old one is the one Stonks usef(it seems older quality wise)
And this one is the one JFD Uses for their Conc(the one I used)
And tmk Random does work for JFD to some extent for skeletals

[outer tusk]

Justice and Random are fine as Justice is making a new one

[fossil ingot]

Peak Incoming

Anyways have 2 Triceratops

[queen oar]

damn that artstyle on the second one is awesome.

[tulip harness]

This reconstruction for the meg tlc woukd be so peak

[brave nova]

Yk Lowki. I forgot it wasn’t randoms most recent

[coral forge]

I feel like theyre gonna stick with basing it off komodo dragons, which is kinda sad imo
I dont think a single popular megalania portrayal is based on perenties even though they look way cooler and make for a much more unique look

[tulip harness]

Sadly you're probably right. The komodo look is what people seem to be drawn to cause its more familiar.

Im still little miffed the hatz model didn't get tweaked tbh.

[queen oar]

@tough parcel keep cooking.

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/si-va-in-scena-showtime-gif-25817813

[queen oar]

also why you playing Minecraft for the last 41 hours?

[tough parcel]

Glitched I'm not, I swear

[queen oar]

hmmmm, I don't know, buddy.

[outer tusk]

it's so funny how you can be play for a good minute and sometimes even when you leave the game, it'll still have your game tag on

[tough parcel]

I was on Marvel Rivals for like 45 hours cause of it

[paper parcel]

Dumb question, but could cenozoic megamammals survive the triassic or jurassic if they layed eggs?

[winter marsh]

eggs werent the problem, the problem were the dinosaurs and other big stuff around the mammals that couldnt allow them to develop and take higher niches in the food chain. Looks what happens right after the dinosaur were wiped out

also, earth was much hotter back then so maybe theyd overheat. But not considering that, probably yeah. Nothing would really hunt them, but theyd need to feed on something else

[wooden bluff]

I just dont know how much it would be extended :c

[halcyon cobalt]

How would laying eggs help them at all?

[little mauve]

Megamammals laying eggs so radically changes their reproductive and developmental strategies you might as well be inventing a whole new group of animals altogether

[umbral kite]

i need a crocodilan morph from north america and a serpent like animal from asia

[topaz shell]

Serpent like animal? Uh Phosphorosaurus?
Wait that’s Europe

Globidens, Wait no

[winter marsh]

Brachychampsa and vasuki

or Deinosuchus if ur boring

[outer tusk]

calling the goat boring has to be slander

[lavish frigate]

Calling any animal boring is slander (other than Paranthropus but he’s boring in like the good gramma way where he just ain’t doing much but you love him for it)

[thorn grove]

Paranthropus is cool cuz he chews really really good

just a lot of chewing very epic

[winter marsh]

deinosuchus is boring because its the common pick, brachychampsa was somehow what came first into my mind

[lavish frigate]

As a great philosopher once said

“To say an animal is boring, merely because it is commonly picked, is to be boring yourself”

— a wise old man I made up just now

[winter marsh]

that must be an old a wise man

[lavish frigate]

I view Paranthropus like a grandmotherly monke that just likes to sit in her rocking chair with her kitten and eat salad while watching her funny hairless grandnephews stab the trunked creature until she can later get a few scraps of its hair for her quilting (it’s a bit new fangled but she’s accepting of her grandnephews new ways)

[thorn grove]

that is what paranthropus is like it's true

[winter marsh]

''to worship the famous is to refuse to recognize the valuable'' - Some guy probably

[umbral socket]

If an Acro and a Carno were to engage in a fight, realistically, what kind of damage could be done to either of them?

[charred hearth]

isnt carno like, 2 tons compared to acros 5?

[umbral socket]

Yeah, but I'd like to know what kinda injuries they could sustain if they were to fight

[lavish frigate]

Acro could sustain quite substantial damage

And carno would probably sustain the death kind of damage

[umbral socket]

Rip

[plush fossil]

I can't help but imagine that as a Pokémon battle

[bright veldt]

? Both are apex predators and one is at best double the size of the other. Carno can't do much and the acro is going to pin down the carno and tear it to shreds. It's 1-sided to insane levels.

One at worst gets scratches and the other is lucky if it walks away alive.

[plush fossil]

My take on this situation
Totally scientifically accurate and it did look like this actually

[umbral socket]

I love that so much oml

[plush fossil]

Thank you XD

[jagged trellis]

the carno could hurt it but the size ratio is literally male lion to hyena amounts
that and acro is built like a brick vs carno being very
twiggy
with a nk
so yeah acro mogs

[wooden bluff]

A last headswap to medusa

[quaint arrow]

[floral ivy]

Is the AMNH abelisaurid skull specimen of Rajasaurus? The premaxilla of AMNH 1955 matches well with this cast of Rajasaurus and there are more AMNH Indian abelisaurid skull fragments.

[pastel yarrow]

This is so silly ane cute

[tawdry lintel]

How strong was Tyrannotitan's bite ?

[brave nova]

Probably about 20KN (I’m assuming based off carchas being about 24KN)

[tawdry lintel]

Thanks ! I was quite curious because a lot of sites usualky describes it as "weak" kinda the same as Spino

[tawdry lintel]

It would be around 2900psi right ?

[umbral kite]

no like a modern or prehistoric aisa serpent

[brave nova]

Would be more than 4000 psi at 20KN

[tawdry lintel]

Ohh, thanks for the correction, here we dont use psi that much so its always kinda diifcult to convert

[tawdry lintel]

By much by the way ? Or closer to 4000 than to 5000 for example

[brave nova]

I’m unsure either as I don’t know the exact conversion but it seems maybe closer to 5 but someone else who knows the conversion would have to answer

[tawdry lintel]

I ll see if someone knows, thanks again 👍

[stable sun]

larger femur width

[stable sun]

proportionally, yes.

[stable sun]

it's not thinner actually. it's wider slighty.

[stable sun]

No

[queen oar]

That would be a awesome game

[stable sun]

3.6 million years ago

[stable sun]

We have a second footprint with the same size and morphology from the same area. It's a theropod, not a sauropod. This is also what paleontologists who saw that footprint believe too, iirc.

[stable sun]

ultra archipelago

[queen oar]

I quite love how these guys are, I assume, visually longer?

[stable sun]

Ngl never heard of this specimen, interesting

[stable sun]

It has barely any skull material lmao

likely comparable to Carcha however based on phylogenetic bracketing

[floral ivy]

The specimen is figured in Chatterjee 1978 but he referred it to Indosuchus but a 2011 study contradicts his statement.

[stable sun]

Abelisauridae indet. it is

[floral ivy]

Idk, I mailed Paul Sereno about this and he did said that the skull material indeed belongs to Rajasaurus.

[tawdry lintel]

What do u mean here ? Like we have so little material that we cant affirm whether it was strong or weak ?

[tawdry lintel]

So, not much skull ?

[outer tusk]

very clearly

[ancient crystal]

They were referring to megalania I'm pretty sure based on other responses

[stable sun]

Oh

[tawdry lintel]

It was funny cause I was actually confused, the could mean that we ourselves lack much of its skull or if the dino itself's skull wasn't very big, u know ?

[outer tusk]

What

[plush fossil]

I mean idk what this convo is about but I think it's easy to tell if a skull lacks material or if it's just small XD

[tawdry lintel]

I know lmfaoo, is not what I mean but I think I just cant explain it in english

I ll try to reword it, obviously the pic shows it just lacks material, but what I meant is not easy to explain, gimme a sec

[halcyon cobalt]

it’s pretty easy to tell what kind of of animal a skull bone belongs to, and from there you can cross reference the details for size and shape of the rest of the skull

[warped peak]

Kalia?

Isn't that unrelated to paleontology

[plush fossil]

Why did it get deleted? Idk what kalia is so was it just a normal croc or an extinct one?

[green helm]

dead crocodile i deleted it cause it was unrelated to paleo( even tho i cant even find anyone to ask about mordern animals now)

[plush fossil]

Ooooh i see

[warped peak]

Yeah tbh it would benefit if Paleontology was renamed to Paleobiology to have more leeway

[tawdry lintel]

This is kinda where I was going initially, my confusion stemmed mostly from not knowing whether the first message meant that Tyrannotitan didn't have enough "capacity," so to speak, in its skull to provide strong bites, or whether it meant that those who claimed it had a weak bite were wrong because we don't have enough fossils to say for sure whether its bite was weak or not. I couldn't find a better word than "size," but I think capacity, mass, or space would be more accurate.

@outer tusk I think the message above explains better what I meant, sorry for the confussion :]

[tough parcel]

Compared to T. rex, the bite was weak

Compared to the flesh of an animal, it doesn't matter

[undone rapids]

All other theropods have "weak" bites if they are compared to Tyrannosaurids, just like how all cats are "slow" because cheetahs are faster.

In general most theropods are pretty similar bite wise with differences just being mainly on size.

Some are pretty thin like Suchomimus and probably other spinosaurids since they were mainly for piscivorous prey, while others are clearly focused on breaking hard stuff(Tyrannosaurids). Rest of theropods like allosauroids, abelis, megalos, non-tyrannosaurid Tyrannosaurs, etc are basically in the middle since that was enough.

[warped peak]

Basically every other theropod external to Tyrannosaurus is built for some form of either snatchy snatchy, or massive gaping flesh wound

[tawdry lintel]

Thanks for all the info guys, I'm also curious about Titan specifically because in some places, I ve read that from all the Carchas, it was probably the strongest bite and even able to break bones, obviously not like a Rex, but being able to crush some, how true is that ?

[undone rapids]

Unlikely, considering how little of the skull we have of Tyrannotitan

[tough parcel]

Idk how they even got that, most Carchs are either smaller or don't have any skull, TTT included yea

[warped peak]

I mean any 300kg+ predator is wholly capable of breaking bones

[tough parcel]

It all depends on the bone you're asking it to break

[winter marsh]

The femur

[warped peak]

Of

[undone rapids]

A chicken

[winter marsh]

Prehistoric chicken which instantly makes it 30x larger for no reason

[tawdry lintel]

I honestly wish we had more of Titans, they're kinda my fav Carcha

[ancient crystal]

I think a lot people look at animal traits almost like a video game, that is to say, in a very black and white lense.

Tyrannosaurus is adapted for breaking bones, so surely its bites wouldn't cause an animal to bleed much.

Giganotosaurus had teeth adapted for slashing, so surely it could not break bones.

[warped peak]

Reminder that humans bites can break bone. Bone is super subjective

[winter marsh]

Tbh any bite would cause bleed if it pierces through the skin. One more than the others tho

[tough parcel]

Erm, according to science, the Tyrannus NEEDED to niche partition with the Nanus otherwise one of them would die

[undone rapids]

There's also the whole "Big arms = big bleeding" when they're mostly for handling prey

[green helm]

if theres not much fossil bite from deinosuchus like dinosaurs could it mean deinosuchus would have eaten them whole( not directly consuming it instantly)

[tawdry lintel]

As far as I know, Carchas basically had teeth that was like a knife cutting butter

[ancient crystal]

So what you're saying is that little arms = big bleeding

[winter marsh]

Not physically capable unless its a tiny dino

[undone rapids]

Yes, the tiny arms of abelisaurs tickled prey so much they vomited blood and died

[winter marsh]

Its like you trying to swallow a medium-sized dog whole

[winter marsh]

Alvarezsaurids had the ability to shoot their claws like missiles, piercing their enemies and infusing them with deadly hemorrhagic toxin, making them bleed to death

[green helm]

no no like crocodylus anthropophagus since i heard they eat their prey untill there was nothing left

[winter marsh]

Gng, most crocodiles do that

[green helm]

damn even to the water buffalos?

[true juniper]

Manipulonyx actually Beat other dinosaurs to death using the osteoderms on its hands

[winter marsh]

Crocodiles arent active hunters so they have to eat as much as they can handle. They can stay up to an year without eating. They could leave stuff behind but still, crocodiles arent really targetting buffalos since theyre much more dangerous and big that smth like a zebra or wilderbeest

[green helm]

thanks for answering,(i should have said what crocodile it was)

[queen oar]

Any theropod can have strong bites with irl skull models made of metals. And I guess questionable estimates.

[undone rapids]

Titanium Spinosaurus vs Glass Tyrannosaurus

[queen oar]

Yup. How surprising when you don't have to consider multiple factors that contributes to the overall force a animal may apply with it's bite-force irl, it is incredibly simple to get Carnivorous Theropods with strengths you never would imagine.

[plush fossil]

Coughing baby tyrannosaurus vs hydrogen bomb spinosaurus

[undone rapids]

Technically the baby tyranno always wins since it'll always live for a few microseconds longer than the bomb which explodes

[green helm]

whats the size of quinkana

[bright veldt]

Confidently ~3 meters tmk. Any bigger is unknown due to extremely fragmented remains.

[paper parcel]

Path of titans moment, but yeah, most things can break bones with enough effort, depends on which bones.

[warped peak]

Too lazy to measure along centra but here's the size of the dude

[undone rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XqGPHYzAfWI?feature=share

[runic heart]

Didn’t know this guy had more channels

[undone rapids]

He was hired as the Narrator I think, They have a whole team for the website which is very nice

[runic heart]

Interesting

[queen oar]

btw @undone rapids would you be a Simosuchus?

[undone rapids]

Indeed

[winter marsh]

Varanus Priscus victim

[warped peak]

Yes. Yes it is.

[winter marsh]

Also, why do people still use the term Megalania? It is like how we call the Mammuthus genus Mammoths? Did it just become a commom name lol

[ancient crystal]

Yes, megalania is essentially the common name

[winter marsh]

From now on the common name for Tyrannosaurus Rex will be Fat-Bellied Chunky boi

[undone rapids]

Its quite a nice site : https://www.facts.app/comparison

[runic heart]

Yeah I looked at it

[queen oar]

@undone rapids if you had to choose a taxon to be your most hated, which would it be?

[undone rapids]

Don't really hate any, though I guess I've never really liked Ceratosaurus. Dunno why, just don't like it.

[tough parcel]

The Allosaurus Shadow Government smiles

[queen oar]

more like Torvosaurus Republic grins

[hybrid saddle]

YOU🫵🏽🫵🏽🫵🏽

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-gif-3746287728568117387

[hybrid saddle]

🫵🏽 🏗️🏗️🏗️🏗️🏗️🏗️

[queen oar]

quick counter-attack with jerboadiver

[tawdry lintel]

"Yes, Tyrannotitan, like its famous cousin T. rex, likely had an immense bite force capable of shattering prey bones, using powerful jaws and bone-crushing teeth to deliver significant pressure, evidenced by bone fragments in fossilized dung and bite marks on prey fossils, indicating they could easily break bones for nutrients and to subdue prey, though Tyrannotitan itself was an earlier, slightly different large carnivore from South America. " HUH, COUSIN ? 😭

I was googling some stuff about Tt and this popped out lmao

[wraith kindle]

What are some recommended paleoartists to reference from for realism?

[winter marsh]

this is probably the AI summary

[tawdry lintel]

Pretty sure, but the "cousin" caught me completely off guard

[winter marsh]

same AI that said that Spinosaurus's living descendant was the snail

[tawdry lintel]

I need to see that, this is probably the best thing I heard, ah yes the most known Spino family member, 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓈𝓃𝒶𝒾𝓁

[winter marsh]

its a video iirc

[tawdry lintel]

The wonders of AI, am I right ?

[winter marsh]

Imma find it rq hold up

[outer tusk]

spinosaurus

[wraith kindle]

They are in the avetheropoda clade, so, it’s not that far off.

[tawdry lintel]

I mean

[tawdry lintel]

Art

[winter marsh]

cant find the video but there is a reaction to the video in a channel called HarrisTsandYT 2 iirc

[tawdry lintel]

0 worries, thanks btw, this made my night lmao

[charred hearth]

do you have a image of late cretascous europe perhaps?

[winter marsh]

couldnt find the video but the channel is full of crappy paleontology video reviews

I am afraid to send a example and end up killing a paleo enjoyer

very good low budget channel btw, its funny hearing him crash out over stuff

[tawdry lintel]

Ill check it out it ll be cinema

[paper parcel]

Dumb question, any more animals that look like they could fit in the cenozoic despite being permian?

[winter marsh]

it has other stuff but to find the paleo videos just search ''worst paleontology video''. Theres a whole playlist from him

[winter marsh]

''there is an impostor among us'' ahh

[tawdry lintel]

Gotchu

[runic heart]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-x-family-spy-bruh-bruh-moment-gif-25527210

[hardy sentinel]

Because that one Permian guy is a synapsid

[plush fossil]

Why do they always call other theropods a cousin to trex...it kills me😭

[wooden bluff]

I want to participate, since the jurassic world FK boom and dominion, the nasutoceratops and sinoceratops were everywhere, and with a awful designs, so I hate them

[full lagoon]

Terrible that a crappy movie ruined a real group of extinct animals for you.

[drifting condor]

https://youtu.be/LEq2nEn7njM?si=oSKXftuJpwopTkq9

What do you think i like it i love edmontosaurus

[paper parcel]

I know

[hardy sentinel]

Edmontosaurus my beloved

[fossil ingot]

Idk
All I know Deino is Cool
Like
Look at that Big ah Head
He looks Goofy
I love it more now

[runic heart]

Is this the newer proportioned head?

[outer tusk]

uh yeah

[runic heart]

Well it isn’t that different I guess

[outer tusk]

literallymiguel is just random's deinosuchus there's nothing different about it besides it's a life reconstruction

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Its just this guy

[runic heart]

Head in the reconstruction definitely looks bigger is all I’m saying

[outer tusk]

yeah it's a bobblehead

[warped peak]

It looks bigger but I did compare them side by side. The big thing is posture, and how the back of the skull merges with the neck undefinably

Just looks like that

[runic heart]

That makes more sense

[drowsy spade]

not rlly paleontology at all but dear god idom is oversized, goliath btw

[outer tusk]

john pixel

[runic heart]

John Antipixel bruh

[bright veldt]

This Indom is just oversized. That's like 18 meters.

[drowsy spade]

saw another one of rexy absoluty dwarfing an accurate rex made by the same guy

[fossil ingot]

Indom is like 16.9m
And JW tmk doesn't measure along the Centra anyways so

[runic heart]

We talking “official metrics” or actual cgi models?

Cause yeah the cgi models are always huge, but the indominus wasn’t supposed to be over 50ft in-universe.

[drowsy spade]

wdym

[fossil ingot]

She is stated multiple times to be 16.9m
Stated to be bigger than Expected
The Exhibit was made for an 50ft yet was worked to get bigger due to her size
And Overall Is consistantly even by Universal to be said size
50ft is rather old and what she was meant to be at first, but she simply grew largern

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Is not the worst

[fluid inlet]

Doesn’t look goofy at all the big head is menacing

Someone with some reliable sources is Sauroposedion still the tallest known sauropod?

[jovial wadi]

Look at those stompers

[plush fossil]

Is it possible to know what time of day prehistoric animals were active at? More specifically dinosaurs
Like diurnal, nocturnal, ect
-# excluding modern day birds before anybody says

[umbral socket]

Do we have evidence of Leaellynasaurus being fluffy (fur, feathers, whatever) or is that a speculative thing?

[queen oar]

Which Leaellynasaura?

[umbral socket]

I wasn't aware there were more, but I'm referencing Leaellynasaura Amicagraphica from Australia

[queen oar]

No it's because there is Leaellynasaura the pretty generic ornithopod and then there's " Leaellynasaura " which is that specimen with the pretty long tail

Unless anything changed about those two.

[umbral socket]

From what I'm seeing they might be the same dinosaur?

[queen oar]

Damn... I'm old.

[brave nova]

It’s funny that the irl Rex weighs more than rexy 🥀 jw dinosaurs be made of air

[tulip dove]

Heh... Titanosaurus...

[stable sun]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Santonian-Maastrichtian_European_fossil_deposits.jpg

[stable sun]

Pretty sure the tail did recently turn out to be actually Lea

[tawdry lintel]

Are there any illustrations comparing Megalania and Komodos size by size, being accurate ?

[queen oar]

Damn.

[charred hearth]

i know majority of creatures are omnivorous to a extent, but what defines, i guess like, a true omnivore?? is that even a term

[vocal rover]

Hawaii

[warped peak]

Herbivore is +90% Vegetation
Hypercarnivore is +90% Meat
Mesocarnivore is about 50 - 90% Meat

Theres not a proper term for herbivores that eat that much meat AFAIK but Mesoherbivore probably applies in the same vein

[charred hearth]

would any animal in pot be a mesocarnivore / mesoherbivore?

probably only struthi?

[native kindle]

kto yang, tsg desmato, pt giga, gigantoraptor, tc citipati, tsg bonapart? not many officials tho outside of cheirus

[charred hearth]

isnt cheirus debated on its omnivory? i heard ppl say the fish jkust died inside the corspe or ontop/beneath

like that semi aquatic anky or whatever

[warped peak]

IRL or in-game?

[charred hearth]

irl

oh yeah , thal would be a good pick

[true juniper]

Why giga and yang?

[native kindle]

giga and specifically yang have the ability to eat insects, roots, fruit

[charred hearth]

i meant, like, in real life

i wouldnt ignore desmato, giganraptor, citipati and bona, because i feel like they'd be omnivores irl

[native kindle]

i thought you meant in the game in that case ignore everything i said

[little mauve]

the fish remains are disarticulated backbones and scales and found in situ with thousands of gasroliths, so it's a different situation than Liaoningosaurus

[charred hearth]

so i got lied too about deinocherius by those people? damn

[true juniper]

Ah I thought it was irl

[little mauve]

it's all in the 2014 paper on the new specimens, check primary sources

[hallow spear]

there isnt a term because there isnt an example of such iirc

[warped peak]

bears, latenivenatrix, maned wolves

They definitely exist

[hallow spear]

Bears are simplied omnivores though along with maned wolves, im talking about the term for a mesoherbivore, it doesnt physically exist

[warped peak]

Yeah the term doesn't exist, but it's weird that it doesn't when there's multiple examples

Maned wolves and most bears predominantly eat vegetation. Ancestrally, most Hominina also falls into this dietary condition too

[tawdry lintel]

This is purely for fun and curiosity, do u people think that if Megalania lived with non avian dinosaurs, could have survived ? Of course in a hypothetic zone where Megs could live

[foggy river]

what do these definitions come from? Haven't seen them before

[warped peak]

Honestly I couldn't give a source on this. Kinda just learned from research into Carnivora and the different ecological roles they have

[foggy river]

oh i thought it was like, an actual established categorization
so its not formal, but like ur personal take?
I got mixed up lol

[warped peak]

No it is defined, but I couldn't quote where I know it from

[foggy river]

oh ok
cause i was looking for it and saw a LOT of diff % numbers
i guess its one of those things thats defined circumstantially by field, and not a universal constant that can be applied across disciplines with strict numbres

[warped peak]

Yeaah probably

Mesocarnivore I've seen everything from 90 - 70 to 90 - 40, but the most consistent defined usage I've seen is 90 - 60%

[tough parcel]

I published on it in my new paper in Nature calle

[balmy oyster]

Every herbivore is actually omnivorous cus i saw a cow chewing on a dead snake and an edmontosaurus eating a tyrannosaurus alive from the inside out on tiktok with creepy music in the background

[tough parcel]

Top 10 Dangerous Prehistoric Animals You WOULDN'T Want to Meet...

[foggy river]

thank you gamer you are my HERO
if an animal ever eats meat it is bloodthirsty killavore
you do NOT want to meet this animal...
honse

[balmy oyster]

Number 10: SEA cucumber

[tough parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276238300851474432/1377589015175495710/A58AEF3D-DEB9-40AF-92EF-BFD251CAE213.gif

[warped peak]

And this is why it's 90% plant matter

[tawdry lintel]

Daisy Bell slowed in the background We're glad they went extinct... Ahh vids

[vocal rover]

" Why the Cretaceous Was a Lot More Terrifying Than You Think "

[compact leaf]

Number 10: Pegomastax

[tough parcel]

That thing deserves to be drawn and quartered

[compact leaf]

for the hype about it being terrifying or just in general

[craggy trench]

look at him go

[tough parcel]

For stealing my stuff in ARK

Icthyornis deserves the same, probably worse because at least I can run down a Pego

[paper parcel]

Anteosaurus, trex dimetrodon

Or, quetz, hatz or jaekelopterus

[compact leaf]

ichthyornis is a menace to society and should not be allowed near it

[drowsy spade]

ehhhh could be better

[winter marsh]

Microraptor is SCARIER than Giganotosaurus

[brave nova]

What is mircoraptor gonna do

[winter marsh]

do NOT ask Microraptor what he did in july 10th 1961

[runic heart]

And don’t ask Giganotosaurus what he did on August 14th 1994

[ancient crystal]

Reminds me of a time I watched some Top 10 most BLOODTHIRSY sharks! bs on shark week, and they had the great white in the number 2 spot.

10 year old me was dumbfounded because what could possibly be more bloodthirsty than a great white? The number 1 spot: the whale shark.

[winter marsh]

ofc, Whale sharks kill millions of small fry and plankton every year. Truly a genocidal beast

[ancient crystal]

That was more or less their reasoning

[winter marsh]

then why tf arent basking sharks in second

[ancient crystal]

If I remember right the way they presented it was this scene of two whale sharks eating the sperm and eggs of spawning fish. And it had this sinister music and sort of serial killer vibe.

Very strange because literally the scene before had a great white punting a seal pup 20 feet in the air with heavy metal playing in the background.

[winter marsh]

spawn killer

[charred hearth]

irl, who among the roster of playables would count as a omnivore?

[tough parcel]

The Eotriceratops...

[winter marsh]

microstruthiovenatriceratorhynchonychus

[charred hearth]

microraptor
struthio
laten
cerato?
rhamp?

[winter marsh]

I just said random stuff

[tawdry lintel]

Hypotheyically, from all the Path of Titans roster, whay do yall think a Megalania could realistically take down ?

[winter marsh]

but struth is the most likely of being an omnivore. Others who could be are Laten, Deinoch, and maybe Pachy and Thal but the last 2 are probably more herbi/carni who eventually suplement

[wind prairie]

the pegomastax fandom is dying, repost if you love pegging

[lavish frigate]

Such a horrid creature

[charred hearth]

rhamp, laten, deinon, struthi and thal

[little mauve]

Isotopic analysis indicate that deinonychus was a carnivore

[charred hearth]

that says deinocherius

[little mauve]

Oh whoops lol I haven't played pot in a while so I mix up the nicknames

[winter marsh]

any 1 slot if we are taking account about what we know. But if we take account Komodo Dragons, and the possibility that Megalania mightve had some sort of venom, then it could probably bring down an Alberta and even a Mira. As for carnivores it could brawl like a Conca but everything else would be too risky and not worth it. Theyd probably hiss and roar and just leave

[charred hearth]

mira is wayyyy to big

[balmy oyster]

I mean you can also look at the sharp teeth to confirm it was a predatory animal

[little mauve]

Yeah it seemed like a strange claim before I was corrected

[runic heart]

New ichthyosaur soft tissue?

[plush fossil]

They finally found me🥹

[winter marsh]

tbh its similar to the ratio between komodos and cape buffalos

[charred hearth]

ooooh i was thinking about dace in size not mira, sorry

[charred hearth]

do we know how affective megs venom would be?

[runic heart]

Prolly like a Komodo dragon

[charred hearth]

would it be though? maybe someone lied to me but i heard komodo dragons werent their closest living relatives

[runic heart]

Someone said the same to me about mosasaurs, yet here we are…

[charred hearth]

and mosasaurs are barely venomous

[winter marsh]

why the hell would Mosa even need venom when its like 12 meters long and could crush stuff with one chop. Megalania lived alongside a 3 ton wombat

[charred hearth]

exactly, like, it had it, and it would barely be effective for what its hunt. which i believe is other large marine reptiles?

[winter marsh]

other marine reptiles, fish (including sharks) and ammonites probably

[little mauve]

Mosasaurs ate everything, up to and including large marine reptiles. If it had venom it was likely an anticoagulant and also not the deciding factor in the lethality of its bite

[stiff osprey]

^ this is the case for most lizards, including komodos

[winter marsh]

it would probably be used as smth like oh my bite scraped on its fin, but itll bleed to death because its anticoagulant

[stiff osprey]

komodos use the venom when hunting water buffalo, which aren't native to their territory, but everything else they go after is dead before the venom does anything

[little mauve]

Yeah it's the ziphodont teeth and targeted bites doing the majority of the damage

[winter marsh]

Megalania's venom would be much more useful considering the available prey, like Diprotodon and Procoptodon. One is a huge humunculus and the other is overall faster, although I dont think it would escape the first bite

[little mauve]

I think even with megalania the damage inflicted by its slashing bites would be the deciding factor

[stiff osprey]

I actually think venom would be less useful for meg than for komodos, if the venom was proportionally the same strength. Komodos live in tiny islands so the prey can't ever really get out of tracking range, megalanias have an entire continent-sized island to search

[little mauve]

Megalania would have an even more powerful and damaging bite than a komodo as well

[winter marsh]

it helps secure the kill tbh, even if the initial hunt is failed cuz the prey escaped the grip

[little mauve]

Both would prefer to take down prey quickly like any other predator and not rely on envenomation and long chases

[charred hearth]

so its venom would be more potent then a komado or am i misinterpreting?

[little mauve]

No evidence either way. We're speculating

[stiff osprey]

having potent venom would help it hunt diprotodonts, but it would still do just fine without any venom

[winter marsh]

tbh there are a lot of predators that use of time and slowly ripping their prey apart to eventually kill it, but I get what ur saying

[little mauve]

Absolutely but even komodos target vulnerable areas and will try to kill or totally subdue their prey as quickly as they can

[winter marsh]

yeah as a predator Id rather take down my prey quickly than wait hours for it to fall, but Id also rather have a guaranteed kill even if they escape my grip than lose my prey because I fumbled the bag

[little mauve]

The insurance is useful for sure and like random dinos mentioned well suited to enclosed island environments but predators especially ectothermic ones are going to be highly aware of energy conservation and optimize towards that. If you can really make the first few strikes count and wait 5-10 minutes for the deer to bleed out from the throat you're going to do that versus a multi hour or multi day trek. The latter is reserved for water buffalo which can end up feeding multiple oras

They have remarkably similar teeth to most theropods and there's no reason to think the latter were depending on venom in any fashion

[winter marsh]

not saying they were depending, just saying its better to have something than to have nothing. Diprotodons (which would be one of the few targets where the venom would be useful) weight about 3 tons so that would feed a LOT of stuff, not only the Megs

shrews are also venomous and theyre out here hunting worms

[ancient crystal]

Presumably basal trait of all toxicoferans as I understand it

[little mauve]

The nature of the venom may have been as such that it was more digestive enzyme than predation tool, we simply don't know. We know megalania was a large and heavily armed predator regardless of venom, which we can't say what the effect would be anyway other than to possibly still the prey animal but to modify a quote from researcher Kurt Schwenk "I guarantee that if you had a 10-foot [15-20 foot megalania] lizard jump out of the bushes and rip your guts out, you’d be somewhat still and quiet for a bit.”

Ora tooth, megalania would be similar just larger, perfectly designed for cutting flesh to ribbons

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-farnsworth-shreds-to-shreds-you-say-gif-19143723

[ashen wedge]

So thoughts on Big Bertha and new T-Rex news?

[thorn grove]

significant but not really surprising

[patent mist]

What are these specimens?

[balmy oyster]

You mean the new age paper?

[charred hearth]

how closely related are horses and zebra's? because im just now hearing that horses are scared of zebra's?

[winter marsh]

close, but not as close as you think. I think it might just be the fact that zebras can be crackheads

[ashen wedge]

Yes

[balmy oyster]

It is very cool

[tawdry lintel]

I didn't take Mira as a possibility, these things were amazing, I pretty much think the same, for carnis I think dinos like Alios, Raptors, Metris even, Concas and for others maybe Pachys too, pretty much a lizard that could fight a polar bear

[balmy oyster]

Zebras are closer to donkeys than to horses, which…can explain a few things

[winter marsh]

the problem with carnivores is that they usually dont have the flight response most herbivores have so it would be kinda hard to land a free bite

meg would probably win against all 2 slots, but then it gets ragdolled by all 3 slots

[tawdry lintel]

Yeah, I mean if their skin was as hard as Komodo's maybe it could palliate that, but it would be intense

[tawdry lintel]

I have to look at all 2 slots lol, this is so interesting, I forgot which is the list of all 3s and 2s

[winter marsh]

the one which I am not sure about is Kentro, cuz its Kentro

[charred hearth]

what was the biggest thing megalania would've realistically preyed on?

[tawdry lintel]

Slots needed : Kentro

[charred hearth]

in its enviormenmt, not pot

[tawdry lintel]

Diprotodons maybe ? Im not sure if there was anything bigger there

[charred hearth]

would adults be apart of its regular diet?

[tawdry lintel]

Could be yeah, pretty similar to how Komodos hunt much bigger preys than them

[charred hearth]

would it be in the same manner? the hunting style?

[tawdry lintel]

Very possible, as they also probably stalked packs of them before striking too

[native kindle]

this isn't really based on anything when talking about the ecology of megalania though. we can't say "probably" for something with no evidence towards that fact for an animal three times the size of its closest relative
a komodos prey is also on average a lot faster than the average megafauna of prehistoric australia

[balmy oyster]

Not to mention isn’t it rather incomplete? We know it was big and what it was related to but it doesn’t get much descriptive after that

[tawdry lintel]

We know or might be very sure because of ecological interferance too, but its very especulative

[native kindle]

that's like. the most basic statement you can make about a prehistoric animal

[tawdry lintel]

Well I'm not a paleonthologist, I'm still learning a lot ?

The most basic for u might be really new for me

As far as I know and if I remember correctly, there are some fossils with remains of the largest things Megs lived with, I think here it's developed further https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/extinct-animals/megalania-prisca/

(Some info is outdated tho)

Take it with a grain of salt

[balmy oyster]

Grain of salt? More like an entire salt lamp why is it obese

[tawdry lintel]

Yeah, the art is really uhh, I love it tho even if is not accurate, kinda reminds me of the 50s dino movies

Im pretty sure there were remains of Megalanias with Diprotodon fossils found at the Naracoorte caves in World Heritage Area in South Aust, but a lot of the articles and stuff are rather old so the info is very very scattered

[charred hearth]

would megalania be living primarily in the open plains of australia? well, shrubland?

[tawdry lintel]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Map-showing-the-location-of-Naracoorte-indicated-by-arrow-and-other-localities-where_fig1_248400466

Im pretty sure these guys lived pretty much everywhere tho

[charred hearth]

what are these animals? https://x.com/alwansyaah/status/2013678579221999996

critterposting (@alwansyaah)

Little guys

X · Jan 20, 2026, 6:22 PM

[hazy basalt]

Brittle stars.

[charred hearth]

and the thing eatin g them?

[hazy basalt]

Nudibranch (sea slug)

[charred hearth]

wow.

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Noi's Rex

[topaz shell]

That’s a rex?

[frigid delta]

eyup

[open compass]

It’s a pretty accurate depiction of t rex from Carnivores Box art

[fierce quarry]

Sooo...apparently there's a study on Mosasaur's Venom ? What's your thoughts on that ?

[queen oar]

Nah.

[fierce quarry]

https://x.com/i/status/2014095106568040609

Literally Miguel 🇻🇪💥🔫 (@LiterallyMiguel)

X-ray of the mosasaur Gnathomortis, showing hypothetical venom glands based in dissections of Komodo dragons, for EDGE science on youtube! (video below)

X · Jan 21, 2026, 9:57 PM

[fierce quarry]

It's hypothetical but still interesting

[ashen wedge]

If this is true, then that will make the Mosasaur 200 times more scarier

[halcyon cobalt]

not sure how consequential it would be

most things that mosa hunted could prob be killed in like 2 bites

[ancient crystal]

Yah

[runic rover]

That would be hype af

[lavish frigate]

The front half of a now dead turtle falling to the sea floor: alas, I have been envenomated

[iron halo]

venom is ancestral to toxicoferans, so if mosa was venomous (i don’t doubt it) it would likely be more or less inconsequential, like in many monitor lizards

[charred hearth]

for them to not have it, wouldnt they have to actively evolve to get rid of it?

[iron halo]

pretty sure

“It was estimated that the common ancestral species that first developed venom in the venom clade lived on the order of 200 million years ago.[2]”

[true juniper]

Did baryonyx have a taller and slightly shorter snout than suchomimus?

[fierce quarry]

I mean, the "venomous mosa" thing isn't on Mosasaurus itself, but on Gnathomortis. I'd have to check its size

[iron halo]

same idea applies

[vocal rover]

I think so? Not sure. @violet elm can you confirm?

[lavish frigate]

Can every dinosaur get a discord account so we can just ping them when we have questions 🙏

[pastel yarrow]

Buddy looks a bit hungy
And has a lot on his mind

[scenic flame]

alot of people aren't fully reading the tweet, nothing new wwas found tmk, it's just a hypothetical idea of what the soft tissue would look like

[charred hearth]

whats a dinosaurs name everyone mispronounces?

[sudden wind]

Giganotosaurus

[paper parcel]

Nigersaurus(G is a J)

[charred hearth]

how are you suppose to pronounce it?

[tough parcel]

Jiganotosaurus

I think there's a video floating around somewhere of Dr. Coria talking about it and he had a soft G

[charred hearth]

so its not giga-nato-saurus?

[tough parcel]

No, it'd be smth like Jija-noto-saurus (I'm forgetting if the second G was soft but I assume it would be)

[undone rapids]

If its from "Gigantic" or some similar word then maybe it'd be Jiganotosaurus, though I still prefer Giganotosaurus

[tough parcel]

Fortunately, Jurassic World: Dominion has included it so the official pronunciation is Giganotosaurus!

[stiff osprey]

If we were to follow how the Argentinians say it then it'd be Heeganotosaurus

[wind prairie]

J-eye-gan-oh-toe-saurus

IT'S JIF GRAAHHHH

[jagged trellis]

one that looks it'd be 1 way but has been confirmed by the namer to be the other
....yeah

[tawdry lintel]

Is there any information regarding parental caring from Megalanias ? Maybe not at all, like Komodos ?

[tough parcel]

No because the difference is caused by the fact Argentinians do not speak western English as their first language

Technically, we would need to follow how the Argentinians say it (Heeganotosaurus) due to it being found and named by Argentinian scientists and thus they would know how they intended it to be pronounced (which is why I mentioned Dr. Coria because he's one of the original describers)

But unfortunately, we don't have many Argentinian people willing to narrate a documentary/movie with Giganotosaurus

[runic heart]

I feel like most people just called it giga anyways. Cause you wouldn’t say “jiga”. 💀

[tough parcel]

Well you would if you were the people describing and naming Giganotosaurus...

[runic heart]

It’s just so trippy

Like, I would always say Sucho “mimis” instead of Sucho “mime-us” for the longest time.

[tough parcel]

Evidence pronunciation isn't all that important as long as you aren't 400 miles off base and making no sense

[compact leaf]

I say the full name with ‘jig’ and shorten it to giga with the hard g because nobody can stop me

[balmy oyster]

Yeah idc it’s “GIF” not “Jif”

[tough parcel]

I don't think gif originated in Argentina so

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[balmy oyster]

Evidence that Argentina has a false narrative

[charred hearth]

how are you suppose to pronounce concavenator? because the tlc video suprised me with how thjey pronounced it

[compact leaf]

evidence argentinosaurus is a hoax?

[ionic crescent]

Heeganotosaurio
Heeganotosauro

Don't forget the spanishization

Tho I believe second one also works for the portuguese way as well

[balmy oyster]

L

[ionic crescent]

[outer tusk]

unless you're Jay Z

[balmy oyster]

Ö

[ionic crescent]

Bold of you to assume i can't type that Ö

[balmy oyster]

Power of mobile

[sullen cairn]

do you guys call it pahree as well

[winter marsh]

Nah for us its jiganotosauro (portuguese)

[ionic crescent]

Indeed, but how you pronounce the phonetic ji in English

Hee

Cause ji is more like "yi" in English

[winter marsh]

Its probably because "giga" has a similar pronounciation to "gigante" which means giant

[ionic crescent]

Yes but what I mean is that our ji, in English is pronounced hee

[winter marsh]

Just say jyeganotosaurus 🔥 🔥 🔥

[ionic crescent]

Épico

[plush fossil]

conc-aye-ven-ator is how i pronounce it

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/GlobalUpdates24/status/2014412782004011333

Global UPDATES (@GlobalUpdates24)

BREAKING –

World's oldest cave art has been discovered in Indonesia

Archeologists say it could be up to 67,800 years old

X · Jan 22, 2026, 7:00 PM

[queen oar]

nah

[charred hearth]

what human(? ) species are around at that time that these could belong too

[little mauve]

We only have cave art from H. sapiens, we might from Neanderthals and Denisovans but it's controversial

[brisk estuary]

kon-ka-VEN-at-or

[ionic crescent]

Con-ca-vé-na-tor

[winter marsh]

con-cay-vuh-nay-tor

[paper parcel]

Scaly Stomper Spell

[fluid inlet]

I use another word

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/mamavette-vette-vettememe-woman-looking-back-black-gif-17054963209262927231

[ashen wedge]

High Wall!

[bleak rose]

Hey folks, even though this is a slightly more speculative (we can't say for sure they used tools like us and AFAIK it's not fully confirmed they were fully bipedal) paleoart of em, I just wanted to share this piece of paleoart I found of Paradolichopithecus because it goes absolutely hard for me.

I also wanted to know if there has been previous discussion of it before, and whatcha folks think about this and the possibility of greater bipedalism on the species.

(Oh btw, if any of you know the artist that made this please tell! I love this)

[winter marsh]

what the...

[bleak rose]

Oh btw here's the article I was reading about 'em: https://extinct-and-extant.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-peculiar-case-of.html?m=1

[bleak rose]

Yeah that illustration's something else, ain't it?

Here's one a tad more grounded, for a better reference on how this creature may have looked like (walking on two legs)

[wind prairie]

Ms. Obama get down-

[serene moat]

Anyone have like a good top 10 largest theropods list or whatever that's like up to date?

[charred hearth]

How accurate are pt's models, are they accurate enough where i can use them as reference / base for a design or drawing?

[granite thicket]

Im sure newer models are good

[fluid inlet]

Are you pantz cousin?

[charred hearth]

who? huh? what? huh?

[fluid inlet]

Oh. My fault silly me pantz is dead what about Quinn are you related to him

[charred hearth]

whos the top 3 most accurate playables in PoT?

[ancient crystal]

This is the correct way, not even the person who discovered it could convince me otherwise

[charred hearth]

my top 3 are

tylosaurus
tyrannotitan
styracosaurus

[ancient crystal]

Thalassodromeus, kaiwhekea, and pachycephalosaurus

[plush fossil]

1 million percent true

[charred hearth]

whos more inaccurate
metri or pachy

[plush fossil]

I hope they don't get rid of metris dewlap, I love it so much

[jagged trellis]

don't forget stego
god those things rival me on bodily not function

[plush fossil]

Would it have been possible for some dinosaur to have a dewlap similar to metris ingame one? Or maybe something like the green anoles?