paleontology

[granite thicket]

Nope it was 170 tons

[fossil ingot]

Cause 10t for the average rex just seems out of question?
Thats why I am asking Vividen directly LOL

Cause wouldn't be the first time ppl grab smth he says and exaggerates it more than what is is
So I am simply asking him about it

[ancient crystal]

Isn't the typical number for average rex 8 tons? Yeah, I'm sure that's been creeping up to 9 tons for a while but 10 seems like a stretch

[fossil ingot]

I don't another 10m adam incident

[granite thicket]

He only used 4 confirmed adults
Its explained in this vid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QhFKR-wUNaw

[earnest hatch]

sure mate but next time do read.

[fossil ingot]

I read?

[granite thicket]

Idk stan is 9 tons and he is quite an average rex so prob 9

[earnest hatch]

yes

[undone rapids]

It just depends on what you consider an "Adult" rex.

[fossil ingot]

Pretty sure Stan is about 8.2t

[runic heart]

The giant yangchuanosaurus could be crazy

[granite thicket]

Im sure demphsey said stan is actually much bigger than amnh 5027 and mor 980
Closer to 9 than 8
Due to having dif proportions

[ancient crystal]

Ah, well you have a bloodborne profile picture so I'm going to listen to you unquestionably

[fossil ingot]

His AMNH is also like 11.3m, Demphy's AMNH iirc isn't even 8t

[undone rapids]

It is with more soft tissue which the paper does iirc

[granite thicket]

Sinraptor scaling makes more sense
Yangchu has one of the shortest skull among metriacanthosaurs

[fossil ingot]

Ohh yeah yaht paper

[runic heart]

How big is with sinraptor scaling?

[granite thicket]

I think its around 6 ton-ish
Anax sized

[runic heart]

So that’s still a massive sinraptor

[granite thicket]

Yup

For somewhat reason the biggest jurassic carnis are only like 6 tons at best
Which is weird

[runic heart]

Probably had something to do with the amount of food that wasn’t massive sauropods.

[undone rapids]

There's barely any good material big jurrassic carnis.

[ancient crystal]

I mean, isn't that the general trend through the mesozoic? Dinosaurs kept getting larger until the big rock went and ruined everything

[runic heart]

I mean yeah, but you’d think with all the giant sauropods that there’d at least be a large carch sized theropod.

[undone rapids]

Anax and big Megalos are basically there

[granite thicket]

Ig there T. gurneyi
Even thats pretty scrappy but still

[runic heart]

Basically, but they never exceed a certain threshold.

[undone rapids]

Yang magnus and Elvis the Torvo are the only good material very big jurrassic carnis tbh

Everything else is pretty scrappy or just meh

[granite thicket]

Yeah
I hope allosaurus situation gets solved soon
Feel like anax could just be a big fragilis

Especially since some fragilis like hinkle are rly big

[stable sun]

Hinkle is only 9 meters long, Anax is much larger (11-12 meters) and is has diagnostic characters proving it isn't fragilis

[granite thicket]

Ok I thought anax was just saurophaganax minus the holotype which was the only thing holding it back from being in same genus as allo

[stable sun]

It's the same genus as Allo it's just a different species

Also, it has a different holotype. Mostly because you can't have an animal with no type.

[granite thicket]

Yeah ik but ig those scrappy materials like claws etc. are diff enough to be its own thing?

[stable sun]

I mean all that matters is if it's different from any other species, which it is

The anax type is just a postorbiral

[granite thicket]

Thats cool ig

[fossil ingot]

Peak Material

[granite thicket]

Very complete and definitive

[fossil ingot]

Bro is fighting with Sauroniops in who is worse

[stiff osprey]

and winning (losing?)

[granite thicket]

Archaeopteryx:

[stable sun]

No, with Sinraptor it's actually much larger lmao

Using Sinraptor makes its femur like, 1.6 m long

[granite thicket]

Wait did I mix up
Man Im an idiot

[stable sun]

No the video is just kinda wrong tbh

[granite thicket]

Oh so blame vividen huh

Lol

[outer tusk]

no

[tough parcel]

I mean

[queen oar]

Jerboadiver

[outer tusk]

no

[stone plover]

Reminds me of duonychus a tad ^^

Funky two clawed therizinosaur

[queen oar]

I was gonna guess a Alvarezsaur... But someone already beat me to it and got the right answer 😔

Based Robust Technic, i guess

Also, for the Duonychus, there's this art too:
https://x.com/RaptorLiver/status/1907170118754537524?s=20

hydra (@RaptorLiver)

random ass lazy quick sketch GO!!!

X · Apr 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

[stiff osprey]

"Beeg" tail doesn't fit Duonychus as therizinosaurs are notoriously short tailed (and they don't eat ants)

I would say alvarezsaur too

[queen oar]

I mean, to us it seems short, but to them it's probably already big for their standard.

[stiff osprey]

Oh it says anteater style snout i didn't open the picture

Still technically alvarezsaurs have the snout of an ant eater :L

[queen oar]

I don't think so, tbh?

[wind prairie]

definitely an alvarezsaur

[queen oar]

I guess there's Paraxenisaurus too? Like, technically, maybe some would think it wouldn't fit, but supposing it had a grazer-style skull similar to Deinocheirus, it could forage and eat some bugs from the floor

[outer tusk]

Paraxenisaurus? sheesh ig

[queen oar]

Confuciusornis or Avisaurus ( to me )

[stiff osprey]

Cratoavis

[outer tusk]

It's so ass fr

[stiff osprey]

Smallest known Mesozoic dinosaur btw

[queen oar]

They gonna search Avisaurus and be like " Oh look! How beautiful! ", and then they'll see the material:

[stiff osprey]

google mobile betrayed me with garbage resolution 💔 but yeah it's hummingbird sized

[queen oar]

tbh, Avisaurus is probably one of the most enigmatic early-birds? Since the rest of the body you have to purely guess based on relatives

[stiff osprey]

That's adorable

[hardy sentinel]

What species?

[stiff osprey]

Cratoavis cearensis

[fluid inlet]

Anyone got a size comparison of Sarco and sucho 2025

[sudden wind]

Sucho towers on Sarco

[charred hearth]

how about weight wise?

[drifting condor]

What are some medium sized dinosaur

[fluid inlet]

Size reference photo ?

[fossil ingot]

3t vs 5t

[fossil ingot]

This should work I think
Sarco Post Crania is basically none existant so its basically a Headswap with Terminonaris, Exist Dorsally its Wider and Bulkier due to its Skull, you can prob add a bit more sodt tissue on some parts but the family isn't THAT thick

[fluid inlet]

This kid is saying a Sarco beats a suco but this look a lot more than 5 v 3 tons

[fossil ingot]

Sucho is 5t, Sucho is just 5t cause is not that thick nor its torso THAT deep
Sarco is rather wide

[fluid inlet]

Sarcosuchus bite force ?

Seeing only a source for 80,000 newtons

[stiff osprey]

Naw not even Puru bites that hard

Sarco is probably in the 35-45k newtons

[plush fossil]

How/why did wing membrane (or flight in general) evolve in early pterosaurs?
Does this make sense?😭

[stiff osprey]

Unknown but it probably came from an arboreal ancestor similar to gliding squirrels or gliding lemurs

We know pterosaur ancestors were pretty good climbers so they prob jumped around on trees chasing bugs

[plush fossil]

I see, thank you!

[fluid inlet]

@uneven flume

Ask him yourself about the reconstruction @uneven flume

[uneven flume]

@stiff osprey what was changed in the sarcosuchus reconstruction?

[hazy basalt]

What I wanna know is what are the evolutionary mechanisms that lead to the development of unidirectional airflow lungs that are seen in birds, crocodiles, presumably most archosaurs, and apparently monitor lizards too? Because before I used to think they might have been an adaptation to help breathe the terrible air quality in the early triassic post great dying…now that I found out that monitor lizards have similar lungs which completely blew my mind but it also throws the poor air quality hypothesis completely out of whack.

[stiff osprey]

Well I didn't make it, but it uses Terminonaris which is Sarco's closest relative instead of generic crocodile proportions

Termino is known from a pretty complete skeleton too (basically everything except the tail) so the margin of error is small

[outer tusk]

Random, geniue question would you unironically do this

[stiff osprey]

I only did like 3 or 4 multiviews ever. Ain't doing more unless i learn 3d modeling

[outer tusk]

This is so real ☝️

[balmy oyster]

We do have a deinoch multiview but idk if it’s still being gatekept

[outer tusk]

We have 2 of them 😭 only issue one is oversized due to the outdated larger 8.4 ton mass but probably with some minor tweaks should be fine under the right hands

[tulip gyro]

was there anymore research done on the topic of the spinal structure of purru, if any other ancient crocodylian had a spinal structure like purru? (or axial skeleton)

[balmy oyster]

There’s a newer one which slimmed it down, it was the one I was referring to

[stiff osprey]

Among crocodylians puru is the only one to have three sacral verts. The only others to have that are ancient terrestrial pseudosuchians

[outer tusk]

Huh, good to know ig

[little mauve]

Either unidirectional airflow is basal to diapsids or varanids evolved it independently, we need more research on how other lizards breath to have a better idea how widespread it is

[fossil ingot]

No idea

[tulip gyro]

yea, i forgot the name tho , i think it was notosuchus? idk, but it definetely was a sister clade. i read the paper today. definetely interesting what kind of specializations it had for more upright limb orientation (purru)

[fossil ingot]

Termino the Goat

[tulip gyro]

it was mourasuchus*
not notosuchus.

[fluid inlet]

Haha

[stiff osprey]

we have a paper from 2021 showing that sarco is ~3t but alright

[tulip gyro]

random would you say that the size estimates from the paper of purru highwalking are accurate for p. mirandai?

[stiff osprey]

i'll have to open it again gimme a minute

[tulip gyro]

@stiff osprey 1686–2637 kg and 7.11–8.01 m for total body mass and length

[fluid inlet]

Can you link me it

[stiff osprey]

https://academic.oup.com/iob/article/1/1/obz006/5418825

it was 2019 sorry

[fluid inlet]

Still more recent than 2005 and 2012 @uneven flume there’s your source

[stiff osprey]

I think that is too small for the specimen, Iijima (2020) gives ~9.2m and is more consistent with what i got adding up the vertebrae together

though tbf earlier in the 2019 puru paper they also give a range of 8 to 10 meters which 9.2m is exactly in the middle of

[fluid inlet]

They were saying that sources from 2012 are reliable because it’s the “latest” but I argued that it can’t be valid because these animals have changed a lot.

specifically sarcosuchus and Deinosuchus.

[charred hearth]

what would you say the most underrated formation is?

like, i barely see anyone talk about the Shaximiao Formation even though its like the chinse morrison

[balmy oyster]

Wonderful formation, big mamenchi fan

[charred hearth]

which mamenchi

[balmy oyster]

Yes

[charred hearth]

mamenchi has a species with a tail club right? or was it omei?

[balmy oyster]

Hochuanensis (think the holotype) has a preserved tailclub, as well as omeisaurus

So it’s likely that many mamenchisaur species had tailclubs

[charred hearth]

those tiny ass tail clubs...atleast shunos had some decent size to its club

[balmy oyster]

Tbf even if small they still would’ve hurt (maybe more precise with damage too)

also shuno’s club is even smaller

[thorn grove]

I've been trying to learn more about the Shaximiao but I'm also lazy and don't feel like google translating a ton of stuff from chinese which I had to do on Wangshi multiple times

[charred hearth]

what lives in that?

or damn shant, sino, pinaco and zhu??

i swear pinaco lived in negment unless it lived in both?

[granite thicket]

Prbly

[thorn grove]

most of of its material is from Djadochta which is the formation underlying Nemegt

but yes it's apparently also present in Wangshi

[charred hearth]

what would y'all say the most studied formation from each continent is?

[granite thicket]

North america: hell creek or morrison
Asia: yixian or nemegt

[charred hearth]

in my humble opinion, i think the la brea tar pits should be above hell creek

[granite thicket]

Oh we're going with all eras?
Yeah then prbly

[charred hearth]

but is it more studied then morrison?

[granite thicket]

Probably
Just look at direwolf sample size

[little mauve]

It's apples and oranges you're comparing a single quarry to a continent sized geological formation

[ashen wedge]

I say Morrison, cause we got Allosaurus and Stegosaurus and Brachiosaurus

[craggy trench]

hell creek has well studied dinos too
rex, edmont, trike

[ashen wedge]

True, but I prefer the Jurassic since it has many different Dino both early and late

[runic heart]

So many sauropods bruh

[compact leaf]

I wouldn’t exactly call brachiosaurus well studied lol, popular for sure but there’s a lot we can still learn from it

[craggy trench]

i mean the Cretaceous has early and late dinos too
totally valid to prefer jurassic though

[runic heart]

We still got to find a fossilized sauropod schnoz

[ashen wedge]

Also, I get to imagine how yummy their meat will taste

[charred hearth]

would you guys say la brea is the most studied cenozoic formation?

[distant mauve]

I mean sauropods are cool

[plain spade]

Australia would be Winton easy

[drifting condor]

Was iguanadon able to fight off its predators?

[charred hearth]

lets think about that

[dire frost]

Most likely

I'm not an expert but most large herbivores are capable of defending themselves even ones without obvious weapons

[stiff osprey]

normally the main defense of any herbivore is to run away, but given that adult iguanodon is much larger than any known predator in the wessex, it could probably fight them just fine

[outer tusk]

Iguanodon was the largest non-sauropod animal in it's formation so yeah

this image adds no real elaboration other than a size comp

[drifting condor]

Woah what makes a dinosaur a dinosaur

Estimates foriguanacolossus

[thorn grove]

1 billion tons

[balmy oyster]

About same range as iguanadon

[slim basalt]

what about shant

[stiff osprey]

Shant did not live in iguanodon's formation

however, shant is the largest animal in its own formation

[tacit pine]

Is saurophaganax 100% gone now?

[thorn grove]

I know it's garbage material but how big does Zhuchengtitan's humerus scale to be I've never really found a consistent answer

[stiff osprey]

it's like ever so slightly larger than opisthocoelicaudia

[thorn grove]

I guess what I was asking for then is a mass estimate for Opisthocoelicaudia cuz I knew they were comparable

[severe yew]

@fluid inlet
don't you worry bro, i got this

@uneven flume
let's go outside for a little talk 🫵

[light osprey]

A juvenile of the Mongolian Titan

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/2022-car-infield-nascar-auto-club-gif-25012581

that is what i thought

[hollow forge]

Anyone also fancy extinct zoo?

[frosty cedar]

I'm rewatching Prehistoric Planet to prepare for season 3, currently on episode 3 of season 2, and I was wondering about beelzebufo. Is it still the largest frog in history, or is the modern goliath frog larger? The documentary is unclear about this, and also doesn't specify the mass.

[crimson depot]

There’s a frog from the Eocene period that might have been bigger than Beezlebufo but it’s not described yet

[frosty cedar]

It's not even named? Where was it found, at least?

[frosty cedar]

thicc boi

[crimson depot]

South Chile

During the upper Eocene

Right now it’s nicknamed magellanic giant frog

[bright veldt]

Beelzebufo is about the same size as a Goliath frog.

[earnest hatch]

Poor Giga

[frosty cedar]

So, is this holotype or not?

[earnest hatch]

Read the side description

This large Dentary has been proven to be smaller than the old holotype which was I believe 9.5 to 10 tons

[earnest hatch]

So yeah it’s not a holotype but it’s a new reconstruction of the holotype with new scans

[undone rapids]

Take stuff Dizzyrose writes with a Teaspoon of salt. We generally don't know if the dentary specimen would've been larger or smaller than holotype since its just a dentary and can't really estimate size reliably

[earnest hatch]

Based of new scans giga is smaller

[undone rapids]

Slightly, but not much of a difference. Still the same old range of around 8 or so tonnes

[earnest hatch]

7.83 is still amazing lol and can still fold a Spino

[fossil ingot]

We love Dentary..Giga scaling

[earnest hatch]

Giga ain’t gonna reach that 9.5 to 10 ton mark again man

[fossil ingot]

Also yeah take that what DizzyRose with a grain of Salt, no Proper or Good GDI has been made for Giga yet, 7.8t was gotten from a Model which may have some issues since another person got 8t, so atp for now just say 8t~

[earnest hatch]

7.83 to 8 tons

[undone rapids]

Soft tissue amounts will always be subjective, that's why the exact numebr in weight estimates doesn't matter. The general range that number is in would basically all be right for the living animal. 7800 vs 8000 kg is the same difference as 195 vs 200 kg tiger, just depends on if its had dinner yet or not

[earnest hatch]

Giga the sauropod slayer

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, tho Giga still needs a proper GDI Done, wonder if Stego will make one

[outer tusk]

Alao WTF are we citing DizzyRose, PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME

I want to know

[stable sun]

It was not "proven". In fact you'll never be able to "prove" anything regarding its size

[earnest hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/hilarious-kid-cracking-up-laugh-gif-13727079

[hallow spear]

Unfortunately I’m incredibly lazy, and the model done that got 7.8t I approve of, I’ve seen it overlayed on the skeleton and it’s scaled correctly, so it’s fine

[outer tusk]

You should rename yourself to Lazy_Stego

[deep coral]

Can I get a new sue skeletal diagram of random? I mean the revised version to 12.7m 😅

[opaque kayak]

here

[deep coral]

thx!!!

[fossil ingot]

[drifting condor]

Camels evolved in north America right because i made a spec evo creature that lives in central anerica i stopped using ai too🥳

[granite thicket]

This doesnt make sense when randomdinos suggests 8.3 tons for carchar

[earnest hatch]

it does make sense

[granite thicket]

Im sure giga holotype is bigger than carchar

[fossil ingot]

Randomdinos normal carcha is based on Tyrannotitan and before yielded about 8.2-8.4t
If we base Carcha off Giga you can get it about 12.5-12.7m
Giga in 3D model is about 7.8-8t so it makes sense

[granite thicket]

Oh so giga holotype is smaller than carchar now?
Crazy

[runic heart]

Apparently more material was recently unearthed from the giga holotype site, but we’ll probably have to wait ages for that paper.

[granite thicket]

Yes
Some say those are just extra parts for holotype tho

[runic heart]

Maybe

[fossil ingot]

The Material is more Holotype Material yeah

[granite thicket]

Btw whats with some people saying giga chin is now considered to be similar in size to holotype
I thought the bone itself was bigger than same parts from holotype
Its just that skull scaling is unreliable because of variations in proportions

[fossil ingot]

Can be, Carcha is just basically skull parts
It depends what you wanna base it on it can be smaller, same size or bigger than Giga

[granite thicket]

Kinda sucks that both carchars and spinos are geolocked to underdeveloped countries which limits research on them

[fossil ingot]

Cause this is how both chins look next to eachother
It has always been considered to be same size or "6.6% bigger"

Holotype is the one above

[granite thicket]

Ok so"smaller" isnt exactly true
Giga chin is now only 9.4 tons if holotype is 7.8 tons then with 6.6%
At least with basic calculations

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, Its very likely the same size or VERY slightly bigger since even 6.6% is dubious due to how both look next tp eachother
So its better just saying same size range lol

We love Dentary Giga

[granite thicket]

Im more curious on oph 2318 out of fragmentary ones tho
Its 10.6 tons if we put neotype weight at 3.5 tons
Also, why is toe bone unreliable for scaling
When it is at least a weight bearing bone
Unlike say a skull fragment

[fossil ingot]

You talking about Toe Bone Spino?
Iirc Random did manage to make it Big, but could also be downsized cause Adult Spinos can simply have more Robust Toes.
And iirc has other issues
You can downsize it to the same size as Random's Spino iirc

[granite thicket]

Hmm never heard of issues on it
Just heard that its 145% bigger than the same bone from neotype
Can I be informed

[fossil ingot]

@stiff osprey sorry for the ping but what were the issues with the Toe Bone Spino Scaling again

And iirc the Toe Bone isn't like 100% Assigned to Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus

[granite thicket]

I mean
Only legit S.aegyptiacus atm is the neotype anyways
Whats with spinosaurus just never having overlapping parts when discovered

[fossil ingot]

The thing is, the Toe Bone is not even assigned to that, you can iirc also downsize it with "Spinosaurus B" or smth

[fossil ingot]

Cause you see
Its Spino and therefore most remain as Mysterious as Possible

[stiff osprey]

'why is a partial toe bone unreliable for scaling' is a wild question

[granite thicket]

I meant like its not as bad as a skull frag right?
It at least bears weight

[fossil ingot]

Don't we also have a Big Toe Bone Rex?

[stiff osprey]

toe bone size varies between both feet of the same individual, let alone different adult individuals of the same species, let alone individuals of different ages like the neotype and OPH, let alone potential different species/genera as is the case for african spinosaurs

[fossil ingot]

[granite thicket]

Ight thx
(T. rex prob traveled back in time and destroyed all of the other large theropod fossils and thats prob why theyre so fragmentary lol)

[stiff osprey]

depends on the fragment, i.e. a near complete dentary is far more reliable than a toe bone given its larger size relative to the whole animal

if a Giganotosaurus for some reason deposits 1 cm of extra bone in its dentary that will increase its dentary length by 1%, if it adds 1 cm of extra bone to a toe bone that will increase its length by 10%

now if it were tooth scaling or like sclerotic ring scaling vs toe bone scaling i'd favor the toe bone

[granite thicket]

Ok thx for the insight
(Btw r u the real randomdinos or just a guy with the same name Im new to the server)

[fossil ingot]

He is a Clone

[stiff osprey]

shut

i'm the same one from deviantart

[fossil ingot]

And Henry/Randomdinos01 on X

[charred hearth]

anyone know where this is located?

[granite thicket]

Prob a museum in usa

[charred hearth]

also, what was faster, Paraceratherium or a african elephant?

[granite thicket]

Prob similar speed
Or the elephant is faster

[charred hearth]

i dont know, im looking at its long legs and im picturing it going quite fast for its size

[granite thicket]

It has longer legs but also 3 times heavier
So yeah prob similar speed

[outer tusk]

Is it the rule that if animal has lone legs it's objectively the faster animal?

[charred hearth]

no...but like, people say altasaurus is faster then majority of animals its size due to its legs

[undone rapids]

Atlasaurus is faster than other sauropods of similar size since it has proportionally longer legs compared to most of them

[granite thicket]

Not exactly
But in case of bigger animals yeah leg length matters

[little mauve]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0223698 in studied theropods, masses exceeding 1000 kg caused leg dimensions to no longer have a big impact on speed. Instead longer legs increases foraging range and walking efficiency

[drifting condor]

Does anyone know?

[stable sun]

The holotype

[charred hearth]

name osmething better then 10 ton iggy

[balmy oyster]

19 ton shantungo

[stable sun]

Why is Tenna

[balmy oyster]

Tenna hold on

I’m still tryna beat ur boyfriend up in chapter 2

[ancient crystal]

Reality

[stable sun]

ex-boyfriend that he really hates

[charred hearth]

THERES PROOF BEHIND IT

[charred hearth]

deltarune yaoi in paleo chat before paleontology yaoi....😡

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[charred hearth]

@ancient crystal

[hardy sentinel]

Why did Ammonites go extinct but Squids, Octopuses and Nautilus survive?

What did the others have that Ammonites didn't?

[runic rover]

i'm calling BS

[sudden wind]

More like what didn't the other had that ammonite had saved them

other cephalopods don't have shells or it is internalized and small, so they don't require lot of carbonates. Ammonites had large external shells. With the KPG, there also were a global oceanic acidification that went and and changed the carbonate balance in the ocean.

This change in carbonate availability is caused by climate, which was heavily and rapidly modified during the KPG. It is also something that we observe today with some planktonic organisms (phototrophic eukaryots like Diatoms, but also heterotrophs like Coccolithophores, Foraminifers, Pteropods (which are pelagic gastropods from the Antarctica) but also sessile organisms (mostly mollusks, crustaceans, corals well anything with an external carbonate skeleton).

[runic heart]

Iggustus

[wind prairie]

spammy mailman taught him to laugh and cry 🥀

[misty scarab]

What is the bite force for deinosuchus

[stable sun]

More than 3

[sudden wind]

I think it's at least 1

[primal horizon]

god’s favoritism

[ashen wedge]

Iggy got to be ten tons in Britain?

[plush fossil]

wait im not at that part of the game yet why would you spoil it no why

[wind prairie]

hahaha that update banned a lot more than just ammonites

[balmy oyster]

Maybe, the largest one isn’t very concrete

There is another slightly smaller but still equally giant specimen though, so it seems it was possible

[charred hearth]

neovenator cries itself to sleep

[charred hearth]

explain?

[outer tusk]

roughly closer to 8 tonnes rather than 10 as Random proposed

[balmy oyster]

It was 2 & one of them was about 8 tons

Larger 10 ton one is a little vague

[charred hearth]

what was the size estimate of the first edmonto specimen?

[hardy sentinel]

Of which species?

[charred hearth]

uhm, hell creek, annectens?

[hardy sentinel]

It's an immature Edmontosaurus, around 29 feet long and 5.6-6.6 tons according to google

[charred hearth]

immature and being 6.6 tons...

[hardy sentinel]

5.6 or 6.6

It's google man, you can ask the same question there. It's the best we got unless you wanna go examine the specimen or read up on it yourself

YPM 2182

[outer tusk]

I know this is JWM but if you had to reference this guy off of a real theropod ignore it's actual name what would you guess?

[plucky basin]

daemonosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

Deinonychus

[wind prairie]

maybe if you squished its head in

[plucky basin]

LOL

[craggy trench]

for those who dont know thats meant to be eocarcharia

[pallid compass]

Enlighten me! How accurate is this model of dasp?

[craggy trench]

hes pretty good

[hardy sentinel]

What do yall think of the Php velociraptor's sexual dimorphism?

[hardy sentinel]

JW is the only franchise where Carcharodontosaurids have feathering and Dromaeosaurids don't 🥀

[low raven]

They do have dromaeosaurids with feathering though, pyroraptor and in JW evolution 3 they have deinonychus and Utahraptor with feathers

[hardy sentinel]

I know bro it's called cherry picking for a joke

[low raven]

Ahh I see lol my bad

[charred hearth]

didnt eo get turned into a spinosaurid or am i thinking of another carch

[hardy sentinel]

It turned into a Spinosaurid but the toy is based off Carcha Eocarch

[warm saddle]

Yes but prob before thay....n tbf it's a fragment of an eyebrow so who knwos at this point

[charred hearth]

how do y'all pronounce Concavenator?

[last adder]

Why were the pronunciation messages vaporized?

[charred hearth]

huh?

[balmy oyster]

"conc ah ven ah toar" is how I say it
but i think it's pronounced "conc ay vah nay tor"

[lofty creek]

Con-ca-ve-na-tor

[restive crag]

Con-Cave-inator

[wind prairie]

you just split the word with hyphens, this gives no clue as to what you meant lol

[balmy oyster]

idk i understood what he meant

[last adder]

Just sound it through if possible.

[fluid inlet]

Rate

[warped peak]

I think I'll have to shrink the head soon if the proportions keep acting like this

[last adder]

What animal is this?

[wind prairie]

you might not
"ca" could mean anything from "cah" to "ca (as in cat)" to "cay"

[balmy oyster]

No I do. It’s not fully clear what he meant but I do believe I know what he tried to mean

[lofty creek]

any comment on this one I just wrote?
am not quite confident this time lol

[stable sun]

Joaquinraptor is just between.... How many... Meters...?

[lofty creek]

6-7

[balmy oyster]

[lofty creek]

and the skeleton pic that the paper gaven was
uh
not very exact for the preserved part
it just shows which bones are preserved

[stable sun]

6-7 m and 7 m isn't much of a difference and the femur length gets like nearly 7 m anyway

[stable sun]

We do not have a Megaraptoran nasal apart from the juvenile one that isn't robust at all

Even Maip was actually not that MUCH larger than Joaquinraptor (~9 m vs ~7 m)

[lofty creek]

we do have one nasal
from an adult individual
wait i gonna get u picture

[lofty creek]

also have u realize that similar animal would be twice the body weight if u compare a 9 metre one with a 7 metre one
a brief 9* 9* 9/7/7/7=2.125364
I usually dont call that as not much larger

[stable sun]

I don't think we do.

[lofty creek]

I guess u havent checked OSTEOLOGÍA Y SISTEMÁTICA DE MEGARAPTOR NAMUNHUAIQUII NOVAS, 1998 (DINOSAURIA: THEROPODA): SU IMPORTANCIA EN LA DIVERSIDAD Y EVOLUCIÓN DE LOS MEGARAPTORES?

[stable sun]

I'm aware, but skull length isn't correlated to weight. Joaquinraptor should I think be about 6.7 m, Aerosteon is about 7.7 m, while Murusraptor, Orkoraptor and Megaraptor are all of similar size. The slender pointy jaws for Megaraptorans however were predicted long before Joaquinraptor was even discovered based on the juvenile Megaraptor

[stable sun]

Oh Damn

[plush fossil]

Con-cave-inator, same as beagliam

[queen oar]

ah hell naw Era of Terror?

[full scaffold]

It’s shaping up to be a pretty good game

[queen oar]

Genuine question: Is the game still owned by Aliens?

[full scaffold]

What

[tough parcel]

"Shaping up to be a pretty good game"

Sorry but I can't trust anyone who plays Roblox dinosaur games and says this

[queen oar]

Because IF it is, then yeah... No. It's going to be sh-#$.

Aliens is the owner of Era Of Terror, don't ask me why they have that name, I just know they do. But, I know for a matter of fact that during development of EoT there has been 3 or 4 controversies around this guy. He's Extremely Right-Wing, he has excluded minorities from his staff and devs into groups he SPECIFICALLY made to talk about moderation and development of the game. I don't remember what else happened, but I KNOW it probably wasn't good.

[calm agate]

Isn't the animal that's been posted the Echoes of Extinction Eocarcharia and nothing to do with either Roblox or Era of Terror?

[queen oar]

Ah, then I'm stupid. Still stand by what I said, but I admit that was my mistake for not informing myself. Btw, thank you.

[runic heart]

Can confirm, don’t trust them. Cause I was one of them.

[outer tusk]

They don't own the current version of EOT anymore they actually move off from it and is taking the spot of someone else far better than they could, I would know am in the server

[queen oar]

Thank Goodness

[outer tusk]

I do agree from 2019-2022 Aliens ruined an good reputation that EOT once had during the Ludia era

Though cutting a very thin line Aliens was only barely a teenager when he started so after 7 years, he has confidently grew up

[queen oar]

Apologies, but wasn't the second controversy I mentioned, happened during 2023 or something close to that?

[outer tusk]

No

[bright veldt]

The amount that I care about this in relation to his behavior is next to none. When I was that age I wasn’t phobic nor I didn’t miraculously become less so as I got older.

[open compass]

Echoes of Extinction

[outer tusk]

Wait so you're like unc status?

[frosty cedar]

I mean, it's pretty likely.

[stable sun]

Largest Titanosaurs because why not

1. Titanosauria indet. (Bruhathkayosaurus referred)
2. Argentinosaurus huinculensis
3. Titanosauria indet. (Kenyan)
4. Puertasaurus reuili
5. Colossosauria indet. (Candeleros)
6. Patagotitan mayorum
7. ?Dreadnoughtus schrani larger femur
8. Ruyangosaurus giganteus
9. ?"Antarctosaurus" giganteus possible femur
10. Uberabatitan riberoi
11. Alamosaurus sanjuanensis
12. Titanosauria indet. (from somewhere idfk)
13. Abdarainurus barsboldi
14. Hamititan xinjiangensis
15. Notocolossus gonzalezparejas
16. Chucarosaurus diripienda
17. Futalognkosaurus dukei
18. Daxiatitan binglingi
19. Bustingorrytitan shiva
20. Random ass femur from somewhere idfk

[compact leaf]

tag yourself I’m random ass femur from somewhere

[craggy trench]

Antarctosaurus

[runic heart]

Aren’t most of these just #20?

[stable sun]

Eh not really

[frosty cedar]

How much does the biggest argent specimen weigh btw?

[stiff osprey]

wait why are abdarainurus and hamititan so big

[stable sun]

Abdarainurus is scaled from I think Gandititan or Huabeisaurus or both or Andesaurus (same result either way), Hamititan is scaled from Epachthosaurus

Hamititan description paper somehow puts it at like 12 meters or something however the caudals are way bigger than that

[hardy sentinel]

Conca-Venator

I say it the right way because it's two different words

[tough parcel]

Conga dongla venie atoré

That's the only correct way to pronounce Concavenator, I hope this helps!

[hardy sentinel]

6-7 blue whales

[plush fossil]

please make it stop im tired

[ancient crystal]

Less than half a blue whale

[queen oar]

Some people take more time than others to learn how to be " People " ( this is referring, like per example: the concept of Sympathy, Empathy, etc. ). Although for him to show " change " he would not only have to understand where he was wrong, but also be against those sort of actions.

[fluid inlet]

Era of Terror? Wtf is that lmao that’s echoes of extinction

[plush fossil]

I keep hearing about echoes of extinction, is it any good? Where can I play it?

[craggy trench]

It’s not out yet

[plush fossil]

Wait then how does that person have an image of it? Is that just a teaser?

[tough parcel]

Ima be so real

The only hype is from people who act like they're paid to say it so I cannot believe it's any good

There's a difference between "Wow, this game is pretty good" and paid advertisement speech 😭

[craggy trench]

Yeah devs post teasers n stuff
They mighttttt have a discord but don’t quote me

[plush fossil]

Ooh I see, thanks
Is there any gameplay footage?

[tough parcel]

P sure they do but TMK it's akin to "T. rex vs Giganotosaurus: Who wins?" personified

[craggy trench]

A few shorts n stuff on YouTube

[tough parcel]

Like can it be good? Sure

Has anyone shown proof it's good and/or "amazingly great" as of right now? Not in the slightest except pretty dinosaur models

[craggy trench]

They’ve got some light combat testing and animation previews
But that’s all irrc

[plush fossil]

I see, thanks!

[craggy trench]

Even some of the Dino models are ehhh
At least one of the eocarch models was
It might have been a old one though

[tough parcel]

Probably was an old one if what Raging posted is their newer Eo

Honestly another red flag is the fact they've had like 2 Eocarch redesigns without even being published 😭

Isle, BoB, and PoT get away with it because they've been out for years and as such, have money that can be allocated to remodels

An unreleased game would not especially because I don't think I've ever heard of a crowdfunding

[craggy trench]

Well nothing wrong with improving it as you develop
But it’s still early days for them
So to say good or bad is up in the air
Unless they pull some sussy stuff

They are uhh 1 year old?

[tough parcel]

My vibe sensors are saying "Keep a wide berth from it until the game comes out and it's 5 years out from that"

[craggy trench]

Valid
I’ve got no stake in the game either way
mainly just observing going hmm wonder what’ll happen to you

Anyways
Back to paleo
Insert nano here

[tough parcel]

Hatzeg tuah

[runic rover]

Ngl that was always a massive red flag for like PoT and PK too, like I wish we saw the full release before any remodel

[tough parcel]

I mean, PoT is pretty close to what most consider "full release" so I'm not too plexed

[craggy trench]

I read that as Hatzeg Utah and was very very confused

[frosty cedar]

I have a funny feeling that it's oversized.

[warped peak]

It's not. I actually went a bit undersized with how little soft tissue I gave it as a matter of fact

[craggy trench]

I mistook this as one whole front paw and got scared

[warped peak]

I am too lazy to add the claws back. I just edited Pseudocyon but it's anatomically correct outside of toes and teeth

[tough parcel]

It's cheeked up compared to the silhouette, kill them

[frosty cedar]

Well, I couldn't find a better size comparison for ingens in particular, but it looks significantly smaller here. Is this like terribly outdated?

[jagged trellis]

can i pet the bison sized dog

[frosty cedar]

why fren shape if not fren??

[jagged trellis]

exactly, we got hands for a reason, and not just for tools

[charred hearth]

tell me how y'all pronounce
hatzegopteryx

[warped peak]

Yes and no. The size there is accurate for the average individual, the scale here is for the largest individual known.

Unfortunately it is currently unknown which the specimen is from my discussions with Robert Hunt Jr., as he measured it 30 years ago. But it has a skull with a 52cm basilar length (from right before the incisors to the back of the skull, where the spine connects)

[frosty cedar]

Got it. That is one big boy then.

[green helm]

we talking about the big doge?

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, big friend.

Looks so cute too.

[warped peak]

Runner up biggest doge: "only" 730kg, Pseudocyon sp, directly took the throne after Amphicyon died out, in the same localities even

[frosty cedar]

The pitbull named Princess:

[warped peak]

You can definitely tell which one was specialized more for hunting

[fluid inlet]

The human

[rancid dove]

amphicyon my baby

[green helm]

dayum that little one didnt skip calves day

[warped peak]

I'm gonna be honest with ya man

[fluid inlet]

Who still here 🤨

[green helm]

ayo metri chilll

[charred hearth]

animal mind you

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/turtz-franklinturtz-franklin-the-turtle-patrick-spongebob-gif-25312548

[frosty cedar]

Suspicious undertones.

[warped peak]

But yeah people forget how huge amphicyonids can be

[jagged trellis]

what the dog doing

[full lagoon]

Literally headless in a single bite

[full lagoon]

Is this the average reaction towards putting a good amount of flesh over skeletal outlines?

[outer tusk]

No, that's just Falcon

[queen oar]

true

@tough parcel Hey Falcon, is it true that one of the first dinosaurs you ever drawed was a Albertosaurinae of some sort?

[tough parcel]

Idk the first dinosaurs I've ever drawn was a sauropod in 3rd grade

[queen oar]

I meant Online

[charred hearth]

how do you pronounce kaiwhekea

[tough parcel]

Oh uhh, it might be Daspletosaurus then...? I can't fully recall back then but it'd be Das/Thanatotheristes or Spino/Carch

[outer tusk]

on twitter it was pachycephalosaurus, digital it was carcharodontosaurus

[charred hearth]

stalker core

[outer tusk]

as if you can't just scroll down to the oldest post and boom you got the info

[ancient crystal]

Exactly as the name looks kai-whe-kea not however its supposed to be pronounced

[charred hearth]

So its not Kai-whe-key-a?

[tough parcel]

Oh so my b&w Das is younger than Carch interesting...perhaps I should redo it...

[outer tusk]

yeah you did the das in Nov 1, 2020

[outer tusk]

forgot to ask but did you ever get to finish this one or did you just stick with the current 3

[tough parcel]

I did finish it but the file is GONE

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur King Das spotted

[outer tusk]

also just to recap we're the 2 Daspletosaurus sp. assigned to any known speices or no?

found a gem

[tough parcel]

Me when I have super glue

[outer tusk]

This was scaled to UNSM 4734?

[tough parcel]

I've absolutely no clue

Keep in mind, my memory is not that of an elephant, but more like a concussed goldfish 🥀

[outer tusk]

Glaze but Allosaurus has to be one of the coolest theropods that just have some randomly cool, badass skulls (these are my top 3)

[winter marsh]

can I pet him pls

[runic heart]

I do like allosaurus. Its range of species sizes is pretty cool too.

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/haolonggood/status/1998217700892389389?s=46

Haolonggood Fans (@Haolonggood)

Pista de la próxima figura de #HLG 😏

X · Dec 9, 2025, 2:26 AM

[compact leaf]

not the ai image

[stiff osprey]

i was wondering why the footprint didnt match any known theropod and then i saw the book

the figure is probably allosaurus or acrocanthosaurus assuming the american map means anything and not just more ai

[compact leaf]

I love that texas looks like it’s labeled in thu’um

[white matrix]

kai-weh-key-ah

[ancient crystal]

Yes, that

Someone was in this chat at some point claiming that's not nearly how its actually pronounced, and that its actual pronunciation is something that to be quite honest did not appear to me as an actual human language

[charred hearth]

new zelandish?

[ancient crystal]

Well, see there's a difference between being a different language, and claiming the pronunciation is literally nothing at all like the english approximation of the word

[charred hearth]

how did they pronounce it?

[frosty cedar]

I despise the ai so much.

[runic rover]

Ew ai.

But I hope it's Acro because now they have 'poseidon, it's like Christmas without the Christmas tree.

[snow python]

Now with Giga downsized, which are the biggest carchs?

[brave nova]

Carcha- 8-8.2t
Giga- 7.8t
Mapu- 7t
Tyranno- 6.7t
Tauro- 6.3t
Mera- 6.2t
Acro- 6.1t

[snow python]

Carch bigger than giga and mapu? Wow

[brave nova]

Carcha has always been bigger than mapu. Its ever so slightly bigger than giga or just as big since gigas skull got smaller

[snow python]

I remeber something about acro being estimated at 8,2t

[brave nova]

That’s using a very sketch way to reconstruct it. Using this method also increases the weight of other theropods aswell. From what I’ve heard the reconstruction method is pretty meh

[snow python]

And the second meraxes specimen, we don't know if is 15% bigger overall or 15% longer

[brave nova]

Yea but that fella is undescribed so atm not really relevant but if it is indeed 15% bigger it’ll be the biggest carcha. If we are also ignoring carcha indet but his material isn’t good so I tend to ignore it aswell

[snow python]

And Gomez is just a tail vertebra, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[outer tusk]

actually there's one more

[cyan fable]

This is meraxes?

[brave nova]

No

[cyan fable]

Then what?

[brave nova]

Gomez

[undone rapids]

Its some fragmentary very big theropod verts from brazil, probably some carch

[cyan fable]

What is Gomez?

[brave nova]

carcharodontosauridae indet

[outer tusk]

Marfim Formation

[true juniper]

Is it true that giganotosaurines have reduced fourth trochanters?

[queen oar]

oh damn Saurophaganax

[undone rapids]

Depends on what you're comparing them to, Meraxes and tyrannotitan have more developed 4th trochanters compared to Mapusaurus iirc, idk how they compare with Giga's

[true juniper]

What does this Imply on their locomotion n stuff

[undone rapids]

Bigger 4 trocanter implies it would have more space for muscles pulling the legs back, which makes sense when we look at its leg Proportions and compare.

Its Hard to say for Tyrannotitan since its not the most complete animal or Mapusaurus since its a bonebed animal so its proportions are hard to determine, but Meraxes atleast was most likely more cursorial than Giganotosaurus.

If we just compare leg proportions( Giganotosaurus has a Femur of around 136cm and a Tibia of 112 cm So it has a Tibia that is 82% the length of the femur, while Meraxes has a femur of around 126 cm and Tibia of 109 cm so it has a Tibia that is around 87% the length of its femur). So the Meraxes has proportionally much longer legs compared to Giga, which would mean it would have longer strides when walking and running when it was a smaller/younger animal). There are probably more things we could learn but sadly carchs are not researched much atm so its hard to say much more than Meraxes was faster than other big carchs

[outer tusk]

Like dromaeosaurids they would pounce on large-bodied sauropod by surprised from the tree and latch on top of them

[true juniper]

Thank you so much for the feedback, i didn't know that, that was interesting.

[granite thicket]

Dromeosaurs were mainly solitary ambush hunters that relied on ambush
Their claws wouldve been used to pin small prey/stab larger prey

[outer tusk]

You do realize this is satire

Also what make dromaeosaurs "mainly" solitary hunters

[granite thicket]

If Im not wrong there is a trackway that shows like 3 dromeosaurs pursuiting an ornithomimid
Plus, utah block means some species may have moved as a family units and occasional mobbing is always a possibility

[outer tusk]

It really shows they were at the very most gregarious hunters

[granite thicket]

Yup
Def more bobcat than wolves

[queen oar]

Me when the Felidae analogy for Dromaeosaurs is real

[granite thicket]

It is real
Both are ambush preds with poor indurance

[ashen wedge]

So what did I miss?

[granite thicket]

Some talk on carcharodontosaurids I think

[sudden wind]

If only PoT Dasp looked like this

[granite thicket]

Albertosaurines genuinely have the coolest looking heads in tyrannosaurs alongside alioramines

[tough parcel]

Source on that first one?

[outer tusk]

It's from his arse

[granite thicket]

I heard it somewhere but forgot
I can't remember everything 😭

[last adder]

Idk man hearing poor endurance and dromaeosaurs- birdlike dinosaurs that share the same extremely advanced and energy efficienct respiratory systems with such- doesn't sit right at all in the same sentence.

[queen oar]

Wouldn't think so for the larger morphs tho

[granite thicket]

Isn't utah the worst for long distance sprint with how robust it is?

[outer tusk]

Again based on what 😭

[hallow spear]

Robust based on what?, I mean sure it may have robust limbs but that doesn’t mean it’s bad

[outer tusk]

That's what am saying like am sorry stego but it legitimately saddens me when people put this mes like "you gng, you twin this thing can't do X thing for Y"

Yet NEVER and I mean NEVER elaborate on their statements

[tough parcel]

I ask because there's always the possibility what you heard was a misinterpretation of a trackway (or just a lie because I don't recall hearing that)

Could be that the ornithomimosaur was traveling through the area and the raptors came through afterwards, either as a group or solitary because we can't prove that all the tracks were laid down at the same time either

[granite thicket]

Ig there's still the utahraptor block ig
Tho we dont know if it was an actual family

[queen oar]

True

[undone rapids]

It was, Vin Diesel told me

They lived together, died together and fossilized together

[queen oar]

Technically speaking, although I know some are going to point out the Deinonychus evidence, where young specimens seem to have isotopes indicating they eat other contents than the adults. In Seriemas, the parents seem to be pretty selective on what they exactly feed their offspring, but also the offspring can walk and learn how to hunt in a pretty short amount of time. So, I'd say it's kinda like... Open to Interpretation?

[fossil ingot]

Based on a Museum Mount yeah

[queen oar]

@tough parcel Hey Falcon, if you had to decide: Becoming a Great Paleoartist or getting Radiation poisoning from Saurophaganax fossils, which would you choose?

[last adder]

Utahraptor wasn't as derived as later dromaeosaurs and had a much different lifestyle, so comparatively I think that's safe to assume.

[tough parcel]

"Would I rather eat a juicy steak dinner or lose my legs in a horrible train accident" ahh question I love it

I'd say paleoartist option but the radiation poisoning sounds like a great story

[queen oar]

Oh no! I thought you would pick Radiation poisoning!

[undone rapids]

tbh, people would remember a radioactive paleoartist much more than a Great one

[last adder]

Why not be both?

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[queen oar]

true, look at Zdenek Burian, lost one eye, kept doing paleoart, and was only stopped after he lost his second eye

[runic heart]

What’s this about irradiated allosaur fossils…?

[queen oar]

@undone rapids If you had to choose, would you: Become a great and well-respected Museum Paleontologist or pass away in a terrible excavation accident as a Hadrosaur footprint falls onto you, which would you choose?

[tough parcel]

All I can hear is the goofy hand puppet wizard voice

[queen oar]

" I guess i'm just a worrier... That's why my friends call me Whiskers! "

[undone rapids]

The former is slightly more enticing, though the latter will get me into the history books...

[hazy ferry]

I'm trying to learn a bit more about paleontology at a more in depth level. Where's a good place to start?

[runic heart]

Well what exactly do you want to learn about it? Cause asking stuff here might be a good place to start.

[hazy ferry]

I want a more solid idea of whichever animals evolved into what. Form a more detailed "timeline" if that makes sense.

[queen oar]

You gonna be disappointed.

[hazy ferry]

Are there any books or documentaries that you guys would recommend? I've read "The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs" by Steve Brusatte, but thats pretty much the extent of knowledge.

[queen oar]

@last adder I have a hypothetical for you, would your rather: Be the guy who discovered the first Carnivorous Ornithischian or ended up included into the the next Jurassic World Sequel, which would you choose?

[frosty cedar]

Jurassic Park/World giant theropod size be like:

[frosty cedar]

Obviously Prehistoric Planet.

[outer tusk]

Ironically Gomez is larger than Indom which is 10.4 tonnes

[hazy ferry]

Oh I'm watching that at the moment, actually. I watched the episode with my beloved deinocheirus earlier!

[frosty cedar]

Nice! I'm assuming you are still on season 1?

[hazy ferry]

Yep

[frosty cedar]

I rewatched 1 and 2, going to watch 3 soon for the first time.

[frosty cedar]

I also like how different Prehistoric Planet's deinocheirus is. It's so dirty and mossy.

[hazy ferry]

I watched the first episode of 3, recently. That's what made me realise I hadn't watched the first 2!

[hazy ferry]

On the topic of deinocheirus, it just released in the newest Jurassic world Evolution game. I think it might be my favourite interpretation of it, and the babies are adorable.

[frosty cedar]

I would recommend Life on Our Planet (2023) as well, but it's very weird, and has a lot of inconsistencies and inaccurate portrayals. They basically reuse Jurassic World models on some occasions. Watch at your own leisure. Basically feels like it was supposed to come out in 2010.

Dinosauria youtube series by Dead Sound is not a documentary, but it has accurate models, behavior, and a lot of artistic sauce.

[compact leaf]

I would not recommend life on our planet personally, basically every other recent documentary (aside from maybe wwd 2025) has done a way better job

[hazy ferry]

I'll look into them!

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, it was in JWE 2 as well, developers added it in as an update. I like it's design too.

[last adder]

First

[frosty cedar]

That's why I said to watch at leisure. Kinda meh tbf.

[compact leaf]

it gives a really skewed view on the way evolution works

[frosty cedar]

I guess gallimimus evolved into ostriches.🥶

[hazy ferry]

Speaking of JWE, I really like the designs of the newer creatures, especially the feathered ones. I think they've realised that the fandom prefers more accurate designs.

[last adder]

Not to mention incredibly outdated biases that certainly aren't what the public needs.

[full lagoon]

Linear and biased, claiming anything that appears later is automatically superior (not how evolution works)

[last adder]

It depends on circumstance as all things do

[frosty cedar]

That means ostrich is a better gallimimus, obviously.

[full lagoon]

It's been suggested certain ratites may have been around during the very end of the cretaceous

[last adder]

Not contesting the stupid joke claims, but isn't it thought ratite like birds existed in the Cretaceous? Yeah

[frosty cedar]

What I like is that they still retain that 90's Jurassic Park aesthetic. And they also give multiple dinosaurs variants. Deinonychus can look feathered or like a classic Jurassic World dinosaur.

[hazy ferry]

Yeah 100%

[frosty cedar]

Do we have any fossils of them? Or is that just wishful thinking and speculation?

[last adder]

I think there's at least one fossil

[compact leaf]

true paleognaths anseriformes and galliformes all originate somewhere in the late cretaceous, I’m not sire about actual ratites but it wouldn’t be that weird

[frosty cedar]

Also, one more recommendation - Surviving Earth. Upcoming documentary, releasing next year, and has the crew of original Walking With Dinosaurs behind it. Keep an eye out for that.

[queen oar]

Oh thank god! I thought you were going to pick Jurassic World

[last adder]

Why???

Also I would've chosen the first regardless of what type of fossil animal was discovered in the scenario.

[tranquil quartz]

i’m working on a project and it involves the kem kem, can someone give me some insights on the climate and species which live there?

[little mauve]

https://archive.org/details/geologypaleonto928ibra/mode/2up is a good place to start

[tranquil quartz]

tysm

[little mauve]

I'd also recommend the book The Desert Bones: The Paleontology and Paleoecology of Mid-Cretaceous North Africa by Jamale Ijouiher

[runic heart]

Interesting episode lineup for Surviving Earth next year. Kinda sad there’s no Jurassic stuff but whatever.

Interesting how episode 7 is going to have megalodon. Confirmed btw cause the wrap party poster had all/most of the species abstractly depicted on it.

[undone rapids]

OAE2 episode!!

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-foaming-at-the-mouth-gif-9707445619124829520

[compact leaf]

god gimme the cenomanian-turonian episode now

I can get over having to watch everything die if I get to see some cool stuff from that time

[wind prairie]

a small price to pay for paleozoic

[compact leaf]

they couldn’t do jurassic because the jurassic-cretaceous extinction is a myth

[ancient crystal]

Ngl, of all the geological eras, I'm least interested in the jurassic

[wind prairie]

lame
silurian is right there

[tough parcel]

For sci-comm...

[compact leaf]

I would kill for a jurassic season but I’m betting it would be prone to time jumpiness

that being said if it gets a brachiosaur on screen I’ll take it

[tranquil quartz]

cretaceous is just better than jurassic in my opinion

even though jurassic has some iconic dinos, cretaceous dinos are just more and better

[jagged trellis]

"better"

[hallow spear]

there cannot be a fully carnivorous ornithischian i dont think

[stable sun]

Liaoningosaurus ate only fish

[tough parcel]

I can't tell if you're being /srs or /j and that's a problem because I know for a fact the normal people here will assume you're /srs

[queen oar]

No, and I think the only potential ones that could become such probably are extinct already, so... Yeah ( But hey! One can dream, am I right? )

[outer tusk]

TORVO ARE YOU /SRS OR ARE YOU /J!

[queen oar]

Say that you are /srs ( It would be funny )

[stable sun]

Liaoningosaurus was a Spinosaurid relative

[jagged trellis]

he knows too much

[runic heart]

It is, until you realize how many sauropods and other stuff went extinct….

[compact leaf]

it’s basically just diplodocids, everything else kind of stuck around at least part way into the cretaceous

[runic heart]

I assume a lot of stuff was pitched. Considering Naish’s reposts though, next season is another Pleistocene one, with unused clips from season 3.

[queen oar]

Damn

[whole umbra]

Did mapu, tauro, and meraxes coexist? Could meraxes and tauro be the same genus?

[undone rapids]

Mapu is from a Upper Huincul, while Taurovenator and Meraxes are from Lower Huincul, but they are still found in different layers it seems, with Meraxes being found close to the border of Lower-Upper Huincul and Taurovenator being found lower than that. Its possible Meraxes and Tauro coexisted, maybe Mapu too but its hard to say for sure unless we find specimens in the same layers

Yes they could be the same genus, but that's just because genera are arbritrary and upto the authors, so its unlikely that'll happen. You can put all tyrannosaurids into the genus of tyrannosaurus and it'd wouldn't really matter, paleontologists just prefer giving them their own genera

[runic rover]

no mid-cret T__T

(still good Jurassic, so much to see in a potential PhP, i wanna see more Lourinha!!)

[whole umbra]

So is mapu the youngest known derived carcha?

[undone rapids]

I think so yeah, If Chilantaisaurus is a carch then it too

[runic heart]

We getting another Pleistocene season before anything else unfortunately.

AAAWEE COME ON

No pre-Pleistocene Cenozoic for prehistoric planet…

[ancient crystal]

Executives ignoring the money printer that is megalodon is wild

[runic heart]

Yeah that is pretty strange. Regardless, it means after the next Pleistocene season, we are going back to Mesozoic, POSSIBLY Paleozoic if we’re lucky. “Prehistoric Planet: Apocalypse” would go hard for Permian.

[ancient crystal]

"Sir, you don't get it, the oceans were FULL of giant sharks, it will be a huge hit."

The apple executive pouting in the corner like a child, "No, I want more T. rex!"

[fluid inlet]

From hideous to handsome

Crazy what more head space can do for a creature

[serene moat]

What happened to the modding chat??

[full lagoon]

It's only available to backers for now

[serene moat]

Bruh

That new system is so ahh

[plush fossil]

You should talk about that in #path-of-titans probably maybe

[hazy ferry]

Glow up of the century frfr

[subtle zodiac]

Could dinos get cwd

[winter marsh]

most we could have are omnivores, with stuff like Heterodontosaurus and Pachycephalosaurus

[compact leaf]

prion diseases are pretty much a mammalian thing, birds don’t don’t get them naturally and I don’t think other reptiles can get them at all

[runic heart]

I find it interesting how the croc analogy for spinosaurs is used more than a phytosaur analogy. Phytosaurs and spinosaur skulls are literally the same.

[bright veldt]

Pachycephalosaurs are not omnivores. So far the only evidence of omnivory is in Heterodontosaurs and Silesaurs, which are the most basal ornithischians.

[runic heart]

I can imagine they’d eat bugs and stuff though. Probably scavenge the occasional little goober every once in a while.

[warped peak]

Could be omnivorous isnt quite the same as IS omnivorous

[bright veldt]

It's a misuse of the definition. "Omnivory" isn't just eating both, it also means eating a variety of both and having a spectrum of doing so, based on locality, clade, or season.

[hallow spear]

Pachycephalopsaurs just arnt Omnivorous either though

[winter marsh]

Shantungosaurus was also an omnivore, preying on the weak Zhuchengtyrannus

[outer tusk]

here's it hunting captured by live cameras

[queen oar]

What would be the evidence? Just for curiosity

[fluid inlet]

Tyrannosaurids have been hadrosaurid victims for a long time.

[plush fossil]

my uncle got hunted and eaten by an edmontosaurus its really sad actually dont make jokes about it

[winter marsh]

bro's uncle was fern

[plush fossil]

no he was a tyrannosaurus actually, @fluid inlet was right...its such a tragedy

[winter marsh]

sad... so sad

[plush fossil]

im screaming and crying and im clutching my head in my hands

[queen oar]

Was your Uncle that one unfortunate Miner that got crushed in a tragic accident where a Edmontosaurus footprint fell onto them? ( Real thing btw )

[winter marsh]

huh

[queen oar]

yeah, Edmontosaurus is the only extinct dinosaur to ever claim 1 Human Kill ( To give you an idea, not even Saurophaganax Radioactive Fossils were dangerous enough to actually harm someone... YET )

[winter marsh]

the most lethal dinosaur

[plush fossil]

no he got eaten

[thorn grove]

proof Edmontosaurus is the most powerful Dinosaur

[queen oar]

I wonder if there are other cases where Dinosaur fossils have actually killed people

[thorn grove]

I like this piece although the Zhuchengtyrannus may have to be subadults/younger adults now given the larger material

[queen oar]

btw, I heard of that, where does that come from?

[tough parcel]

Our favorite YouTuber Vividen who has never experienced their sizes being downsized horribly after releasing it

[thorn grove]

big vertebra comparable in size to the same element in Sue has gained some publicity again recently despite being known about for years, supposedly there's more material of comparable size but we'll have to wait for the paper on it to come out for details

[queen oar]

If it isn't a Tarbosaurus individual either, given what you have told me about their potential presence there.

[thorn grove]

tbf I have no idea what's going on with Wangshi Tyrannosaurid taxonomy

[tough parcel]

I think the funniest thing is that there's no evidence Zhucheng has the same proportions as T. rex or Tarbo so while it's (probably) larger than the holotype, there's no basis because there's no overlap

There's also potentially one or two more tyrannosaurs in the same quarry

[queen oar]

Tbh, it's most likely similar to Tarbosaurus, assuming both shared a common relative ( Hypothetical Ancestor ) and given how their prey items seem to be pretty similar.

[thorn grove]

The unfortunate symptom of all of the Zhucheng quarry material being disarticulated with 90% of it being one taxon

[outer tusk]

^

[thorn grove]

Most of the material from Zhucheng has been considered most similar to Tarbo iirc but it's difficult to compare because of what I just mentioned

[outer tusk]

the most material in question:

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, bring up the amount of dinosaurs that had Vividen and/or otherwise inaccessible measurements scaled to gigantic sizes that remained large

• T. rex

[thorn grove]

I'm hesitant to believe any mass estimates rn but tbf I feel a 28 cm d13 does indicate a ~12 meter Tyrannosaurid of some kind being present

[queen oar]

Yeah. I'm just saying hypothetically, given how their fossil localities, although not the same countries, but very close regions, could say they could had a hypothetical similar ancestor. Assuming that there won't be any data that would challenge the position of potential Eurasian and Asian Tyrannosaurinis, like Zhuchengtyrannus, and... There's also that other guy, but I forgot the location it was found ( It's just a Dentary, if my recollection isn't incorrect )

[lofty creek]

I'd peasonally suggest anyone to use daspleosaurus as the best reference for zrex instead of tarbo

[sullen cairn]

to add onto this i'd imagine scaling a 28cm wide dorsal to any non-tyrannosaurus tyrannosaur would yield moderately more distressing results

[lofty creek]

also 28cm d13 could be just CM9380 sized

[sullen cairn]

ie a big daspletosaurus like pete iii has a 16cm wide D13

[outer tusk]

found it

[queen oar]

Hey Table, I have a hypothetical for you, would you decide on: Studying Fossils in the comfort of your house for the rest of your life, or be framed of stealing a Tarbosaurus skeleton, which would you choose?

[tough parcel]

Wait, for the second one, are they being tried in Mongolia or America

[sullen cairn]

do i get to go on wacky misadventures involving said tarbosaurus skeleton

[queen oar]

It's open to interpretation

[thorn grove]

16 meter Zhuchengtyrannus isn't real, it can't hurt you

16 meter Zhuchengtyrannus:

[sullen cairn]

because the zhuchengtyrannosaur is chronologically closest to the daspletosaur, parsimony would suggest a 16m length estimate

[queen oar]

Hey Mizu, if you had to choose on either: Having the ability to restore any destroyed fossils or end up in a terrible accident where a Carcharodontosaurus skull falls on top of you, which would you choose?

[outer tusk]

speaking of daspletosaurs, Table what do you think of this edit TAS did

[sullen cairn]

its very gray

[lofty creek]

1 obviously

it would fix the Carcharodontosaurus genus validity problem even faster than the second

but I dont even gonna use that on Carcharodontosaurus lol bcz I almost totally dont care about it

maybe use that to restore full Huanghetitan ruyangensis skeleton/Euhelopus holotype and Exemplar C/Gasosaurus skull

[queen oar]

@outer tusk If you could choose between: Finding the definitive solution to Triceratopsini phylogenetics or end passing away Indoraptor-style on top of a Triceratops skull, which would you choose?

[lofty creek]

kinda crazy when u think of how local residents just literally ate up like half of H. ruyangensis skeleton
and how there is still so many material of that huge thing after being ate by so many local residents

[stiff osprey]

they ate the fossil? 🤨

[thorn grove]

European aristocrats used to eat Egyptian mummies so eating fossils is probably less weird than that

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eating-rock-gif-13935567355130525471

[lofty creek]

uh yes but not very exact
if more exactly they'd use the fossil as some herb thing, ground it to powder and made some medical stew with them or spread the powder on wound to stop bleeding

[tough parcel]

Oh that makes more sense

[umbral socket]

I just want to express how adorable I find this twindly lil baby

[lofty creek]

this

also u can still buy very cheap "dragon bone" from wangshi group till today in China

I've seen someone who was luckily enough to find something like some hadrosaur dentary or rib fragments
but most of those stuff just totally unrecognizable

[hardy sentinel]

D-D-D-D-D-DAMNNNNNN

[charred hearth]

whats the average shant weight, 14 or 16 tons?

[umbral socket]

They got legs for days 😭

[hardy sentinel]

13-16

Weights vary amongst specimens

[lofty creek]

similar to the biggest edmontos I reckon
some smaller shant like 12 metres in length

[charred hearth]

the biggest edmonto is 15 tons...?

[lofty creek]

vro isnt that biggest shant

[charred hearth]

isnmt the biggest shant 18 - 20 tons?

[hardy sentinel]

Chat, what if Edmontosaurus was just female Shantungosaurus and they just went to and from Asia to fuh 👅👅

[lofty creek]

oh thats weight not length
i misread "the biggest edmonto is 15 metres"

[lofty creek]

I need that a loooong way meme here

[bright veldt]

To its credit I don't think outside of trex he's brought any up that are actual taxa. It's always indet. nobodies if it isn't T. rex.

[tough parcel]

The nefarious Saurophaganax, Torosaurus, and I think Edmontosaurus once

[bright veldt]

Never even seen the latter two, and what was the size for sauro anyway?

[tough parcel]

I might be confusing the Edmonto (cause I swear he mentioned how he was on a dig with a giant Edmontosaurus)

But he's the "source" for mega-Saurophaganax from Shots and why "Adam" the Torosaurus was like 2x bigger than what the recent poster showed

[hardy sentinel]

Anyone else loved when they saw Rex sized Saurophaganax for the first time?

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/tessasaurus_rex/status/1998558895544184954?s=46

Tess Gallagher🦕(@tessasaurus.bsky.social) (@Tessasaurus_rex)

While the paper hasn't come out just yet, the news certainly has. Proud to announce our discovery of color patterning in a sauropod dinosaur. Will go in depth tomorrow.

X · Dec 10, 2025, 1:02 AM

[fluid inlet]

That’s a small sauropod bud , if that impresses you, I guess have at it.

[hardy sentinel]

Old Allosaurid Saurophaganax is what I meant

[lofty creek]

7shots in the big 2025

[fluid inlet]

Let the man rest in peace. 🪦

[lofty creek]

with carcharodonsaurian saurophaganax lol

also iirc there was even one team which claimed sauro was a metricanthosauridae

[outer tusk]

Cau

[lofty creek]

LFMAO
i didnt know that was him

[outer tusk]

Rare Cau W totally not glazing

[lofty creek]

one day we gonna have something that Cau makes its phylogenetics analysis and matrix, Sereno keeps its material, Ibrahim doing the validity stuff, dealing with ICZN and David Peters draws the illustration
then Rommel leaks it out to vividen

[outer tusk]

Ibrahim doing the validity stuff, who the hell decided that

[runic heart]

So it had reddish melanosomes, as well as ones that usually indicate iridescence in birds. Not to say that diplodocus was iridescent, but those melanosomes could have come from either feathered ancestry, or evolved separately due to a fast metabolism.

[runic heart]

Still unknown what color the animal actually was though. The paper also bring up how difficult the melanosomes were to find, and how most other scale specimens probably preserve them too.

[lofty creek]

the color that the melanosome represents is not actually revealed, its just several type of them coexist so the color must kinda complex

[runic heart]

So we probably have tyrannosaurus melanosomes without realizing it.

[runic heart]

Yeah. I mean, is there any modern comparison to a lizard of some kind that has melanosomes like these? A combination of reddish melanosomes, with some of the disks sprinkled here and there?

Obviously they are much too different in size for a great comparison, but we could still get a vague idea of what color they could have been.

Kinda neat to see the variety in scales that diplodocids and probably other sauropods had.

[lofty creek]

first we need to see the paper
it hasnt been published till now

[wind prairie]

huh

[hardy sentinel]

Please don't joke about my fifth cousin's dog's uncle's owner's friend's favorite barista who knew that guy's nephew

Ya see, I technically knew that guy so it really hits me where it hurts

[hallow spear]

Torosaurus (Adam)

[tough parcel]

Wasn't it like 2x bigger than what the poster implies

[opaque kayak]

He said it's 10+ meters, as the largest ceratopsian (via per comms), and it was really 7-8 meters long

[thorn grove]

that corresponds to around 50% volume/mass of the original claim

[granite thicket]

how did that happen
does toro have bigger head in proportion to its body than trike?

[hardy sentinel]

Getting this tattooed on me in a few days

[warm saddle]

Wait it was sauro fossil that was radioactive? I though it was A.jimadseni

[hardy sentinel]

A.jimadseni? More like a.shit.ton.of.radiation

[runic heart]

Still calling it Saurophaganax in the big 25. Actually, was it the sauropod bits that were irradiated, or the allosaur bits? Or both…

[warm saddle]

I heard an allosaurid fossil was radioactive so prob be4 the sauro as sauro

[hallow spear]

It is to a degree

[charred hearth]

how much force would need to be required for bars tail to actually cuase the mini earthquake it does in game?

[hardy sentinel]

It would be tail shattering before it would be earth shattering

[charred hearth]

if it wouldnt shatter, of course

[hardy sentinel]

Well then, it would need to be a lot

[charred hearth]

would its tail even be able to go like, vertically down like that?

[hardy sentinel]

Probably not

[hallow spear]

More than anything physically possible lol by it

[granite thicket]

prob not
hadrosaurs have tall neural spines
likely reinforced with tendons to be stiff

[charred hearth]

i know stegosaurids had quite flexible tails, but how about hadrosaurids?

[granite thicket]

I mean
prob not very flexible

I think only cerato, spino, and stegosaurids are confirmed to have flexible tails

[lofty creek]

still able to swing left and right but never up and down

[charred hearth]

would they be flexible enough to atleast attempt to swat a carni away? and if so, would they get a decent amount of power from it or not really?

[granite thicket]

yeah it would be fine sideways prbly

[lofty creek]

maybe they'd use that to drive away predators but not very likely to kill or hurt seriously unless the predator is quite small
at most it would just make most predator feel pain but not really hurt much

I rather believe they'd bite and kick if they really wanna kill something

[granite thicket]

can't find any study on hadrosaur tail articulation
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004225020000
this is the only hadrosaur tail related research I've found

[lofty creek]

I actually feel kinda unfair after I read that since this paper listed quite a few situations yet didnt even mention the possibility of hadrosaurs use tail swing to threaten and drive away the enemy

[tough parcel]

Literally answers everything you need

Except amount of mobility, I think, but like that's fine because it goes over a lot more such as hadrosaurs using their tails as combative weapons and receiving injuries for that

[granite thicket]

tbf it's quite hard to break the neaural spine from swinging motion
the force would have to be applied vertically
so I get why they didn't mention that

[ancient crystal]

I think swatting anything above a ton or two would require a decent amount of power

[granite thicket]

https://www.ameghiniana.org.ar/index.php/ameghiniana/libraryFiles/downloadPublic/154
btw megaraptorans were likely built to hunt smaller prey judging from their brains

[tough parcel]

More excerpts

[lofty creek]

595 is a juvenile so it's normal to be small-sized prey expert

we still need an good adult individual specimen, like joaquin which is also quite likely feed on smaller prey

im not sure if some creature have their brain characteristic changed after they grown up and rely on different prey from its juvenile time

[granite thicket]

feeding habits do change in many animal species
but idk if their brain changes correspondingly to that

[little mauve]

The brain definitely develops as an animal ages, how it changes is specific to the animal and harder to answer

[granite thicket]

yes but what I mean is I don't think there's an animal whose brain structure completely changes apart from insects
they just become more developed from what they are

[little mauve]

Alligator brains show quite a bit of structural change as they develop, more derived avians less so. I'd guess megaraptor was somewhere in the middle but overall their brains more closely resemble crocodylians like other theropods. At any rate one thing they cite in the paper is hearing frequency, that definitely changes as an animal ages with older adults better at hearing lower frequencies and younger individuals higher frequencies. Which may or may not correlate to prey size

But brain development in crocodylians probably has a lot to do with how different prey is taken at different sizes (also mating and social behavior), my guess is theropods worked the same way

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347563609_Ontogenetic_endocranial_shape_change_in_alligators_and_ostriches_and_implications_for_the_development_of_the_non-avian_dinosaur_endocranium

Other stuff noted in the braincase study like the pneumaticity and the enlarged floccular process, the small olfactory bulbs, that general morphology would be preserved into maturity however

[stiff osprey]

in any case adult megaraptorans were probably also smaller prey specialists because we have enough to know they had small heads and massive arms. really not the optimal design to hunt sauropods

although by smaller i mean like their own size and below not like, human sized

[fluid inlet]

thats not small

[granite thicket]

Small/big prey hunter is a relative term
A tomistoma can easily maul and devour a man but they're considered to be on the small prey hunter side of the spectrum because prey they prefer to hunt is usually smaller than themselves by quite a lot

[runic rover]

WOO FOR COLORFUL DIPLODOCUS

[hardy sentinel]

A small game hunter means something that goes after prey smaller than it, not what is considered small by human standards

[fluid inlet]

You think Saurophaganax is Rex size.

[runic rover]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2507698-dinosaurs-like-diplodocus-may-have-been-as-colourful-as-birds/

[true juniper]

Was tyrannotitan actually more robust and heavily built than it's relatives?? I've been hearing this everywhere but I'm not sure, or it it because it had a pneumatic hiatus in its sacral region?

[runic rover]

The fossil we found is said to be a juvenile soo... We don't know for sure

[runic heart]

Wait really?

[frosty cedar]

I mean, I'm not surprised, it's likely that dinosaurs were comparatively more colorful than mammals for example.

[undone rapids]

The Tyrannotitan paratype specimen was still growing, though I doubt it was a juvenile.

[winter marsh]

Mammals are so boring color-wise, you cant even get creative with them

[frosty cedar]

For real. If it's big - grey, if it's small - brown.

If it's even smaller - yellow or black.

[winter marsh]

If I had a nickel for every time a canine somehow became orange I'd have two nickels, which isnt a lot but its weird it happened twice

[frosty cedar]

Care to enlighten me?

[winter marsh]

Red fox and Maned wolf

[frosty cedar]

Ah, ok.

[runic rover]

Finally no more "dinosaurs have to have boring colors otherwise it is JP awesomebro level"

Jesus, these year's discoveries make me happy... Now only thing I need is a Dino Crisis 2 Giganotosaurus-level of Carcharodontosaurid and i'm set for life.

[frosty cedar]

I think the most colorful dinosaurs were in TLW, JP 3, Fallen Kingdom and Dominion.

[runic heart]

Rebirth had solid colors

[frosty cedar]

Fallen Kingdom is not as colorful as Dominion, because of the whole "ash grey" theme going on, and having a darker filter, but some dinosaurs are pretty colorful.
Jurassic Park 1 basically has all dinosaurs be brown lol. Except for para that is on screen for 3 seconds, and dilo, who is mostly grey.

[frosty cedar]

Yeah. a lot of green, yellow and blue.

[runic heart]

Lost world was kinda all brown and green too. Despite jp3 being one of the most grayscaled films of the series, it did have colorful animals.

[frosty cedar]

TLW had tiger raptors, and Rex family of different colors, but yeah, mostly it's just brown and dark green.

[frosty cedar]

I still cannot FATHOM Capcom hasn't even tried to make a Dino Crisis remake as of now. Do they think it will not sell? It's in the same postition Silent Hill was for a long time, as dead as it could be. I hope it happens. RE 2/3 remake, but with accurate dinosaurs is a banger concept imo.

[runic rover]

The head guy for it said "monster hunter covers that dino need from us"...

...then started invading his games with anything but dinosaurs.

Btw infinitely hot take but i think Dino Crisis is fine to stay retro, modern games only really care of the graphic anyway

[frosty cedar]

The head guy for it said "monster hunter covers that dino need from us"
"Nobody cares about dinosaurs."

Exoprimal failed, that means they suck. It was not because it was live service slop that closed after 1 year, of course not.

But back to the topic, I think somebody has already sent a gigantic (pun intended) charcharadontosaurid here.

[frosty cedar]

There it is.

[tough parcel]

Curious how animals are only extraordinarily large when the material is the equivalent of a cheese crumb

[frosty cedar]

Except Rex, because Mother Nature clearly has a bias.

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/Tessasaurus_rex/status/1998582821078839509

Also

Tess Gallagher🦕(@tessasaurus.bsky.social) (@Tessasaurus_rex)

oh and no, we dont hypothesize it was ginger. we dont know what color it was

X · Dec 10, 2025, 2:37 AM

[runic heart]

Yeah, we only know that it had some complex colors.

Wondering if sauropods were like iguanas with some crazy bright colors during mating season.

[runic heart]

Actually, that might make sense. Diplodocoids and other sauropods probably spent their early lives in dense forests to avoid predators, and crazy scale patterning would help distort its appearance among trees, like with jaguars and probably smilodon. As they grew, the function of the crazy patterns must have changed to mating display.

[ancient crystal]

Ew no, I prefer my carcharodontosaurids not gigantic

[frosty cedar]

Same. I mean, I don't know how valid this is, because it looks like the biggest theropod of all time, bigger than spino, rex, giga, carch, all of them. And, by extension, the biggest terrestrial carnivore in history. It's probably going to be downsized significantly.

Again, this is JP theropod size going on here.

[undone rapids]

there's not much we can say about it reliably other than it was probably a very large theropod, which isn't surprising since its early cret South America

[frosty cedar]

Actually, it's too complete. It should've been just a tiny piece of a claw.

[stiff osprey]

That is actually the downsized version, if we go by the original description it would be significantly larger

Only way to shrink it further is if it's a misclassified sauropod

[frosty cedar]

Do you by any chance have or know how to get the paper that's about this indet.? I tried to look for it, but found nothing.

[stiff osprey]

I have it yeah

Though the measurements are in one of the supplementaries

[tough parcel]

Screenshoted and sent to Theropoda!

[true juniper]

I've heard that spinosaurus was more of a shoreline generalist hunter that occasionally hunted small to medium sized land animals, but how does something like spinosaurus catch land prey? It's legs seemed to be very short and it's sail seemed to make it a walking billboard.

[stray shuttle]

I dont think the spine would've hindered it much bc dimetredon had a sail, and they didnt exactly starve out to being bad hunters

[outer tusk]

Too late it's already in 2.0!

[burnt hare]

https://youtu.be/HYTwE4IXYKQ?si=oF6qlcuOExGV1hNg

[undone rapids]

Maybe just stay in the trees and wait for an occasional juvi sauropod herd to get close to water, can probably get a few of em.

[burnt hare]

You’re both wrong. Obviously it used the air sacks supported by the spines on its back to float above the water while chasing its prey down with explosive farts.

And used its dense bones to crush its prey before consuming them.

[stable sun]

this still makes it smaller than t rex

[plush fossil]

do you guys wanna know my favourite dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

tbf if you use the Neovenator GDI instead of allometry it gets like Cope sized

[true juniper]

No your wrong it actually Used its spines as rockets to pierce and explode sauropods and fend off similarly sized theropods

[plush fossil]

pterodactyl

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hiddleson-angry-speechless-smh-seriously-gif-12206876

[stable sun]

i mean i have it like 11 something tons based on GDI

[stiff osprey]

yeah

[hardy sentinel]

No? I said I remembered the hype days when Saurophaganax was getting Rex sized size estimates

[stable sun]

Phylogeny of Sauropodomorpha. At this point this is kinda outdated, I will work on updating it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1445532826132025467/1448394922053861579/cladogram_of_sauropodomorpha_by_anchiornisss_dgsty66-fullview_9.png?ex=693b1a63&is=6939c8e3&hm=94dd951e7d11864eb3d856f492485ce66cb93b92a6f5bdf43620fe73fa7cd45a

[coral forge]

you should do an ornithischian one trust
or even like ornithopoda or smth

[stable sun]

i started but kinda gave up

[coral forge]

real

[compact leaf]

make all of titanosauria one huge polytomy, because it would be funny

[stable sun]

no

[compact leaf]

how much do you need to actually update on it?

[stable sun]

a bunch of somphospondylian stuff and new taxa and i think rebbachisaurs

[compact leaf]

we need a matrix specifically for somphospondyls at this point or the dreaded sauropod megamatrix

[frosty cedar]

Thanks!

[frosty cedar]

I mean, irritator is a close relative of spinosaurus, and it hunted pterosaurs. We can assume spinosaurus hunted land based and flying prey too.

[stable sun]

scavenging exists and and irri is more basal anyway

PHUWIANGVENATOR VAYURAPTOR FUKUIRAPTOR AONIRAPTOR BAHARIASAURUS RAPATOR AUSTRALOVENATOR MEGARAPTOR MURUSRAPTOR AEROSTEON MAIP ORKORAPTOR TRATAYENIA JOAQUINRAPTOR

[frosty cedar]

Still, I find kinda hard to believe that spinosaurus was completely incapable of hunting anything other than fish and crocs.

[stiff osprey]

i'm sure it could hunt juvenile sauropods, anything can hunt juvenile sauropods

also many pterosaurs are themselves piscivores, they could have been caught while in the water

[lofty creek]

why spamming my whole family

oh wait there is a trash bin amon gus

[lofty creek]

in my opinion its quite normal if spinosaur hunt some random iguanodontian
like Lurdusaurus, Ouranosaurus and the Wessex ones including Istiorachis and small Iguanodon individuals

[frosty cedar]

I imagine a rugops who tries to steal some fish remnants can get caught by a large spinosaurus.

[outer tusk]

30 FOOT LONG KILLING MACHINES

[frosty cedar]

https://youtu.be/2E_AbWoSp3o?si=ARLGPWh3PGv6O_b0
Basically this, at 2:57

[fluid inlet]

The issue is the source for said stuff is questionable

[runic heart]

Hmm..

[frosty cedar]

Peak idea. Severe lack of speculative evolution/mythical pseudo documentaries.

[runic heart]

I’ve got mixed feelings, but it could be neat.

[frosty cedar]

I would still like to focus on prehistoric stuff tho. Triassic, Jurassic, early Cretaceous, Paleogene, Neogene...

[jagged trellis]

a docu going from mongols fighting dragons to a bigfoot just chilling in modern na and minotaurs having an underground commune
so much potential

[frosty cedar]

The entire Paleozoic too.

[frosty cedar]

But for Prehistoric Planet it would be too much of a tonal whiplash. It has to be a completely separate documentary, it would be ridiculous otherwise.

[frosty cedar]

Btw, can you link this thread pls?

[jagged trellis]

i mean yeah
so is the ice age
only difference is thats real
i think they mean more the quality and actual info vs being a pp extra( even said spinoff bit)

[stable sun]

Not a family and it's Megaraptora

[frosty cedar]

I mean.... Ice Age is still about real animals. I honestly expected them to go that route. But it would be weird to see minotaurs suddenly lol.

[jagged trellis]

yes
what my point is that it is basically an entirely different world going from meso to ceno, so doing from ceno to fantastical ceno isn't too crazy if done w actual folklore and reason
and having a fantasy as a spin off vs mainline would make it more reasonable

[frosty cedar]

Yes, that's why it need to be strictly a spin off and labeled as such. It shouldn't be Prehistoric Planet season 4 lmao.
What I think is going to be next is that maybe Apple sees how successful this series is, it has 3 seasons after all, and gives more money and time, so they are able to create realistic Jurassic or Triassic landscapes with a lot of photorealistic cgi.

[jagged trellis]

i concur and that was me point

[frosty cedar]

I would kill for an episode set in Kem Kem.

Actually, what is the most reasonable earliest time to use modern landscapes? Like, would modern swampland/marshland pass off as Kem Kem, or were plants wildly different then too?

[charred hearth]

what was the best episode of ww25?

[frosty cedar]

About spinosaurus, not even close, genuinely. The one that has albertosaurus was kinda entertaining, too. But like, the whole series is pretty garbage.

[queen oar]

At the same fashion I would a Hell Creek episode or documentary not centered around Tyrannosaurus, I would also enjoy a Kem Kem or Bahariya Formation episode not centered around Spinosaurus

[severe yew]

today, i am going to enlighten you

platipus, wich are mammals, lay eggs, only 1 of 2 mammals that lay eggs just like reptiles

oh, and don't get close, they are venomous mammals

stay tuned for more
you are welcomed

[charred hearth]

would the baby spinosaurids really be unable to survive on their own after their father ( ? ) dies?

[severe yew]

therefore, very likely, dinosaurs unlike you have never imagined actually existed millions of years ago

oh, and spinosaurus could absolutely swim and dive, by the way

[charred hearth]

because people were like " this isnt a good ending! "

[frosty cedar]

Nobody is arguing against it being unable to swim. It being an aquatic animal and basically dinosaur shark or sea turtle is what people have gripes with.

[queen oar]

I think it's just Semi-Aquatic

[severe yew]

people are often afraid of what is possible, afraid of the unknown

[frosty cedar]

Exactly. But sometimes it comes very exaggerated. Like, I find it hard to believe that spinosaurus was coming out of the water rarer than a crocodile. Or that it was basically incapable to move on land.

[queen oar]

Oh yeah, no. I think some have said it before, but Spinosaurus actually doesn't have short legs, per example. It's just an illusion created by the sail, because the sail gives an impression to the person that Spino has a body larger than what it already is

[charred hearth]

whats the worse episode of ww25

[queen oar]

don't you use a AI pfp?

[charred hearth]

here we go again...

[severe yew]

AI > cartoon 😁

[warped peak]

I know the drill

• what's the harm in AI
• AI bad for environment
• Please keep chat on the topic of Paleontology

Anyways, today's dog: Megamphicyon giganteus. Working on a more complete skeletal

[charred hearth]

omnivore or hyper carnivore

[static widget]

Isn't it venomous?

[queen oar]

I was going to ask them to take a Pencil.

[warped peak]

Omnivore, carnivore leaning

[charred hearth]

i feel like alot of miocene / plestiocene canids were omnivore

[last adder]

Venomous, they sting with a barb on the limbs that only males have.

[last adder]

Meant to reply ^

[warped peak]

Most Canids are Omnivores. Even wolves

[charred hearth]

oh really? i didnt know that!

[full lagoon]

Wolves will occasionally eat fruits/berries

[charred hearth]

here i thought it was just the mane wolf

[full lagoon]

Obviously one is far more specialized to do so

[stiff osprey]

Mammals are funny because half of the terrestrial apex predators are omnivores

Imagine a Giganotosaurus eating leaves and pinecones for half of its diet seasonally. That'd be stupid but that's just how bears do

[warped peak]

Ironically, Maned wolves are mostly herbivores. 40 - 90% of their diet is a single type of fruit

[outer tusk]

@hollow jewel

[hollow jewel]

Ah

[ancient crystal]

So, um, unless my calculations are wrong or the numbers I'm using are outdated (both very possible) the absolute largest great whites can just barely scrape 3 metric tons

[charred hearth]

really? i thought we had larger estimates

[compact leaf]

foxes also have a huge herbivorous streak in some places for parts of the year, it’s cool

[ancient crystal]

No, 3 metric tons is extremely high as far as great whites are concerned

[granite thicket]

biggest great white shark alive, deep blue is estimated to be around 2 tons
so 3 tons for the absolute limit sounds reasonable

[river ember]

THATS ONE HEAFTY BOI

[granite thicket]

I mean if you look at pictures of her
SHE'S A CHONKER

[ancient crystal]

Well, yeah, except I used deep blue's rough length for the calculation

[ancient crystal]

Tbf she seems like, perpetually pregnant.

That or she's the best whale scavenger the species has ever seen.

[granite thicket]

yeah
ig great whites become very bulky as they age

[stiff osprey]

Confirmed measurements don't even get to 2t, the biggest is like 1900 something kg

[ancient crystal]

I'd again, just assume she's particularly good at keeping herself fed. Not sure how much age has to do with it.

[stiff osprey]

I say "not even" as if 1900 kg was small

Also yeah deep blue's most famous photos are of her pregnant she's not normally that fat

[ancient crystal]

In any case I've asked my professor about it, because a 3 ton white shark is twice the mass of what the paper I'm using lists as the largest individual it accounts for

Could just be a problem with the numbers used for the equation, this paper is from '95 afterall

[tough parcel]

Sorry I fell asleep on the keyboard and added an extra 0

[river ember]

oh wow

[granite thicket]

tbf the biggest polar bear was twice as big as average individual
I can see great white's maximum size being around 2.5t at least

[river ember]

i saw her, the shark btw and holy-

[river ember]

DANG- p.s. what was the largest avian (for it's species)

[stiff osprey]

Probably a chicken since we bred them for meat and made them continually heavier and heavier

[river ember]

makes sence

[stiff osprey]

heaviest chicken ever recorded was apparently 10 kg vs 2-3 kg average (wild ones averaged much less)

[river ember]

gtg to bed

[granite thicket]

as a species the elephant bird is the heaviest
but moas are taller/longer

[charred hearth]

whats a dinosaur people overvalue the importance of ?

[granite thicket]

rex

[charred hearth]

i mean, being the largest terrestorial carnivore is quite important to paleontology

[snow terrace]

Still rex

[true juniper]

Does Anyone else think that khankhuluu is extremely leggy even for Tyrannosaur standards

[waxen raptor]

Difficult question because I like all dinosaurs but

Maybe oxalia? Idk

[fair dome]

Irritator skeleton made by me, except for the head thats a Scan made by Olof Moleman

[fair dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1400474346211770489/1446278474271555714/kakakuku.vidio0001-0400-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

Yes

[fluid inlet]

i feel like either something is missing from the skull or i just dont know how to draw this dinosaur

ya i just got it wrong

[fluid inlet]

okay this is better

[snow python]

What is to most up to date lenght estimate for Barinasuchus?

[granite thicket]

Prob around 7m

[snow python]

Is saw some estimates that put it at 4m

[true juniper]

Therapist: predatory ornithomimid isnt real, it cant hurt you

Predatory ornithomimid:

[fair dome]

But khan Is a tirannosauroid, nvm got the joke

[true juniper]

But seriously i wouldnt be surprised if khankhuluu was found to be a chimera or smth, Insane proportions lol

Not even nanotyrannus or alioramus is this Leggy

[undone rapids]

Alioramins aren't that leggy for tyrannosauroids, Appalachiosaurus, nanotyranids and albertosaurines are more leggy

[granite thicket]

4m is ridiculous
when its skull fragment is already over 70cm
so you're telling me its head takes up quarter of its body?

[outer tusk]

currently it stands within a 5+ meter long esimate anything shorter seems very weirdly scaled

[snow python]

That's what I thought, what about Dentaneosuchus?

[granite thicket]

its skull is 1m

so uhhh idk prob 5~7m since its comparable to barinasuchus in size apperantly

[runic heart]

Nobody dares say 6 or 7 meters anymore…

[granite thicket]

I mean seems reasonable to me unless barinasuchus literally had 1:5 head to body ratio
but that's literally erythrosuchus lvl head to body ratio

doesn't seem like a very reasonable proportion honestly

[tough parcel]

Olof Moleman quite enjoys this sculpt, he only mentions that the neck attaches too high (the condoyle has a red arrow pointed to it which is where the neck verts attach to the head) and it seems a teensy bit pinheaded compared to his own reconstruction

But otherwise, it's quite cool

I have a 1/6th scale print here on my desk, and if I hold it up next to the neck where it should be articulated, the neck vertebrae look kinda big. But that's hardly a correct way to check. The skeleton here also doesn't really seem to differentiate the neck vertebrae. So without an atlas or axis you can't really articulate the skull anyway

[runic heart]

Do Titanosaur embryos really preserve armor-looking scales like this?

[tough parcel]

Well it's Tess so I would say "yes"

[plush fossil]

I'd imagine at least some would take those sort of baths, or even bask to get rid of parasites (potentially like vultures?)
Also I feel like I'd be pretty safe giving a microraptor or archaeopteryx a little smooch on the head (like a kitty cat)

[native kindle]

not many animals are intentionally dirty and stay dirty when they know about it

[last adder]

The only reason zoo animals seem dirty and smell horrible is because they are confined to inhabit the same area of their own waste, and there's not a lot of decomposition occurring in their enclosures due to a lack of localized biodiversity.

[compact leaf]

I’m not sure where zoo animals came into it but even then I haven’t seen dirty animals at an accredited zoo, by and large animals like to keep themselves clean

[fair dome]

Wow thats soo cool thx for sharing it with me

[last adder]

Mentioned it because typically whenever people talk about animals smelling bad they are referring to captive ones, obviously.

[sudden wind]

I really hate the Nanotyrannid name. Should be Dryptosauridae 😭

[wind prairie]

every time I think about irritator I like it a little more
just has a cool head

[hardy sentinel]

Laelapidae

[wind prairie]

ngl I can't be the only one who misses the name laelaps
something about it sounds... cultured, literary

[hardy sentinel]

You aren't. I miss it too

1877 type sh

[little mauve]

it's a reference to Greek mythology so you're correct there. Laelaps was a mythic dog that always caught what it chased, the name literally translates to "hurricane"

[winter marsh]

Raptorexidae

[wind prairie]

not only is that sick it's very very fitting

[fair dome]

btw can you ask Olof if he thinks irri can open the mouth soo wide?

[bright veldt]

Idk what zoos ur hanging out in where that’s a problem pal, the wrong ones at minimum

[native kindle]

yeah i have never had a well kept zoo animals be dirty unless they just took a dump

[last adder]

Considering where I live you're probably right.

[tough parcel]

Way too wide, should be maximum 40 degrees (he mentioned since you're using his model, the bones will clip when you overextend)

[fair dome]

thx

[ionic crescent]

Remember to set a custom rotation to get the perfect rotate angle btw

[hazy ferry]

is there a place where i can find 3d skeletals? Outside of museums of course...

[idle storm]

Nanotyrannidae is a safer choice, because the close association with Dryptosaurus is not a done deal (it's only in one of the 7 presented topologies.

[primal horizon]

nanotyrannus is valid again right

[tough parcel]

Ye

[charred hearth]

has it been a month yet?

[little mauve]

My problem with it is that tyrannidae already refers to Tyrant flycatchers