paleontology

[tough parcel]

This is what I mean btw

Sorry for the shakiness, I'm using my trackpad but there's a severe difference in bumpiness between the front and back

[green helm]

does that mean its 30 ft or something is still debatable?

[queen oar]

Maybe.

[fossil ingot]

Also better quality here

[fossil ingot]

Sarco based on Termino is 9.1m
Which is like 30ft so...
Thats kinda the best you can scale Sarco
Until its Post Crania gets Actually a Proper Description
Otherwise we end with Deinosuchus Upsized Moment

[runic heart]

Purussaurus has good post cranial material, right? Unlikely that it will be downsized?

[green helm]

whats a crania?

[tough parcel]

Post crania = everything of the skeleton behind the head

[fossil ingot]

Puru is Lucky P.Mirandai Exists(the Smallest guy here)
Its Description isn't the Best but Given Puru is a Caiman, Scaling through its Jaw/skull Width and some of Mirandai gets Consistantly an Animal that is +10m for the Big Guys
So yeah

[green helm]

oohhhhhh

what year was this size realible

[queen oar]

@tough parcel If you had to choose, would you choose:

Infinite bacon, but no fossils

or

Infinite fossils, but no fossils?

[fossil ingot]

Here Deinosuchus for Example
Big Ah Head

[fossil ingot]

2000s Sarco my hated.

[green helm]

it looks like other deinosuchus cannibalized it

[opaque kayak]

what would have been funny is if they dropped the scan in 2023

[fossil ingot]

Its 3D Scans of the Material of an Specimen
Is what Finally Denostrated Deinosuchus was indeed Bobbleheaded and Fadeno Deinosuchus is just Scale Bars Moment

[queen oar]

Choose

[tough parcel]

I don't rlly eat bacon but how do you have infinite fossils if there are no fossils it's a lose-lose situation!

[green helm]

what specimen is it exactly?

[queen oar]

technically, I didn't specify the fossils, so there's the mystery

[opaque kayak]

And then seen prople go nuclear afterwards

[fossil ingot]

TMM 43632-1 for the 3D Scans

[tough parcel]

The monkey paw curls...

First one I guess

[green helm]

kk

[opaque kayak]

my god 13.5 meters to 9.6 meters

[green helm]

trailer for ww2 in deinosuchus guys!!!

[fossil ingot]

What Trusting Scale Bars does to a Mf....

[opaque kayak]

also I like how unbelievably detailed the fadeino is https://www.reddit.com/r/Paleontology/comments/og8jim/reconstruction_of_deinosuchus_hatcheri_by_fadeno/

[queen oar]

is that the new Fadeno one?

[opaque kayak]

holy christ

[fossil ingot]

Technically
From 13.5m to 9.2m
Since Fadeno's 13.5m is CM 963 which was downscaled to 9.2m
Fadeno's TMM 43632-1 is like 14m which is like 9.2m lol

@queen oar yes

[queen oar]

well, the quality doesn't save it ( 144p )

[ancient crystal]

A downsize to surpase dunkelosteus

[fossil ingot]

Puru literally survived cause
Its an Actual True Crocodilian and its a Caiman
And that P.Mirandai for some parts

So is not that hard to get a consistant size with it

[opaque kayak]

https://theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/7/dunkleosteus-terrelli

[green helm]

the downfall of dunk turning into a great white shark victimizer

[opaque kayak]

I wonder if the megadunk is actually this big

[frosty cedar]

So, is this actually inaccurate? That megalania has vertical pupils? Do some varinids have them?

[tough parcel]

No varanid has slit pupils, it's an inaccuracy during production, it cannot be changed

[green helm]

we all would still start screaming tho fr

[fierce quarry]

It was said it was a mistake by Darren Naish. I don't blame them tbh

[green helm]

darren naish did the dunk?

[fierce quarry]

Oh I forgot to respond to the message wait

[frosty cedar]

He didn't notice and it slipped by?

[tough parcel]

Idk lol, there was never elaboration beyond "Yea, we know it's a mistake but we can't fix it now"

[fierce quarry]

I was talking about PhP Megalania sorry

[green helm]

oh

[frosty cedar]

Oh ok. Happens, even though I think it's a very obvious detail.

Most mentally stable paleontologist:

[tough parcel]

I think the funny thing here is Longrich is far from mentally stable 🥀

[neat notch]

Guillotine goldfish

[little mauve]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-22983-3 a new filter feeding pterosaur (and fish) identified in preserved, possible, spinosaur vomit

[quick palm]

Yutyrannus slams allosaurus in a fight

[neat notch]

As usual, Brazil keeps winning in the pterosaur fossil field

Just wish we had a giant Azdarchid tho

[green helm]

Thats what i call crocodilian bias

[rancid dove]

white shark 🗿

puffy fish cya

[charred hearth]

do you guys think we'll ever find a plesiosaur with a armored back?

[balmy oyster]

Nope

[winter marsh]

no shells, maybe big barrel shaped ribs like cotylorhynchus but no further than that

[charred hearth]

No ostroderms or anything

[winter marsh]

nope, most marine reptiles would have smooth, blubbery skin iirc

[green helm]

I don’t see why it would need that

[static widget]

sea turtle is offended

[fluid inlet]

Was it said

[sharp jackal]

I mean lapras gotta be based offa something so prolly yea

[warped peak]

Plesiosaurs have nearly naked skin so I wouldn't bet on it

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, its based on the imagination of a Japanese game developer

[green helm]

[wind prairie]

one in the shape of lapras's would be not very hydrodynamic

[stray saddle]

Don't think so

[quick palm]

Yuh

[weak bay]

Are orcas bigger than the bigger species of elephant seals

[hushed fossil]

Yes

Design reviews: Ark's Arthropleura

Good or nah?

[winter marsh]

I say nah because of the fangs and googly compound eyes (which I dont think centipedes and millipedes have) and cuz arthro was a detritivore and I dont think it would need fangs. Otherwise its like every other arthro depiction

[winged basin]

Hello!

[warped peak]

Good Arthropleura, not a particularly standout design

[full lagoon]

Interestingly I've heard speculation that the Arthropluera may have had a kind of stalk eye like crabs

[warped peak]

I believe that was right

[runic heart]

Isn’t its body shape different as well, or has that changed again?

[warped peak]

I can't remember. This one wasn't adult? But it doesn't change a ton either

[runic heart]

It was not adult, but yeah probably didn’t change its body shape into adulthood.

[warped peak]

Yeah this was it reconstructed as an adult from other known specimens, we just have a good grasp of the animal's growth now

[runic heart]

So it didn’t get thinner towards the back half?

So apparently the stalked eyes were lost in adulthood, and it also gained more segments as it molted. Juveniles probably also had a preference for water.

Doesn’t that seem like separate species material? Or even separate genus?

Not saying any of the changes are unusual for an arthropod, they aren’t. It’s just how do we know for sure they aren’t similar but different species?

[warped peak]

Differentiating species and genus are incredibly difficult in paleontology, and individual variation can be nuts

[balmy oyster]

Yeah cus muh variation!!!!!

[charred hearth]

thoughts on the prey of nano?

[river plinth]

Looking now I think they look so drastically different cause they're mabey different subspecies of rexs like
Asian lions and African lions for example that's my theory tho

[fading dawn]

is there any possibility of finding a sauropod that may have lived in or near the hell creek formation?

[craggy trench]

there is rumors of Titanosaur material in hc
though its not published and what material it entails is very ????
espically since finding any information on it is so hard
so its possible
but when and how we dont know at the moment

[thorn grove]

only the largest outlier herbivores such as Edmusthosaurus or max size Ankylosaurus

[sharp jackal]

Conclusions have been jumped to

[wind prairie]

huh?

[wind prairie]

that's literally true though

[tough parcel]

Sent you a secret

Also @craggy trench last I heard, they were either mislabeled (aka probably hadrosaurs)/not in the actual area of the Hell Creek

[craggy trench]

interesting
They can join the secret lambeo material

[charred hearth]

what would be the most accurate depiction of a featherless dinosaur, lets say a..velo or oviraptor

[ancient crystal]

Any depiction, since dinosaurs don't have hair

[ashen wedge]

Is feathers considered an advance form of hair?

[charred hearth]

i meant featherless 🙁

@ashen wedge also, arent feathers a advanced form of scales?

[ashen wedge]

Yes, but didn’t proto-mammals also at have scales?

[balmy oyster]

No

[ancient crystal]

I know, I'm just messing with you lol

I would like to say that it would, especially for the ones you mentioned, be closest to the third image

[charred hearth]

while, lets say yutyrannus would be more like 1?

idk, because would it be loose?? or no? would it be closer to how a reptiles skin is?

[balmy oyster]

Every skin impression we have of various non-avian dinosaur species point to them being more akin to reptilians

[charred hearth]

would dinosaurs even be able to have large amounts of loose skin?

[balmy oyster]

Unknown but from what we know, unlikely

[charred hearth]

but cowsboldia...

[balmy oyster]

⁉️

[ashen wedge]

Would it taste like steak tho? I’m being serious

[charred hearth]

no

[wind prairie]

slap that thing and it would ripple like the sea

[ashen wedge]

And also make you ripple as well

[wind prairie]

why would me slapping it make me ripple
no one said he gets a turn

[charred hearth]

oh i have a question actually, why do bovines have such loose and plentiful skin that hangs everywhere

[balmy oyster]

Selective breeding

Only really one species of wild bovine has some form of loose skin dewlap

[charred hearth]

so the goldfish and dog treatment?

[jagged trellis]

a miracle that thing ain't bedridden

[ashen wedge]

Who said he was gonna slap back?

[charred hearth]

do we know what different type of marine reptile skin would be like? would it feel like whales? marine iguana's?

[wind prairie]

evidenced by the fact I will also be rippling in this interaction

[charred hearth]

if i pet a plesiosaur, would the texture be samiliar to a whales? perhaps a marine iguana? maybe dolphin ?

[ashen wedge]

From him stomping on ya

[balmy oyster]

No because reptiles aren’t mammals and they have scales. Hope this helps

[jagged trellis]

don't be a bars girl bro

[charred hearth]

i knew marine iguana's were mammals...

[wind prairie]

... wtf is a bars girl
do I even want to know

[charred hearth]

it wouldnt need to stomp when a fart from the thing could kill a whole medieval village with the forth coming of thy plague

[balmy oyster]

(Horse girl)

[wind prairie]

tbf though iirc plesiosaurs only had scales on their flippers. Though I don't know how far back this trait went in the lineage

[jagged trellis]

you innocent soul
( what fishy said)

[balmy oyster]

Couldn’t that be from preservation bias? Or do we have preserved skin impressions from the body as well that show no scaled patterning?

[wind prairie]

iirc it's from this thing

[balmy oyster]

ahh I remember that specimen

[charred hearth]

explain in caveman terms

[opaque kayak]

BROTHER
MAY I HAVE SOME CORNIFERS

[wind prairie]

plesiosaurs seemed to have had scales on their flippers and smooth skin everywhere else
also I think it may suggest that plesiosaurs didn't shrink at the base of their necks?

[charred hearth]

thank you unga bunga

[hardy sentinel]

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[bright veldt]

Yeah plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs were scaleless on almost the entirety of their bodies. This is very uncanny to me personally. They're reptiles but would've had the texture of cetaceans.

[hushed fossil]

What about mosasaurs?

[ashen ether]

From my personal cross referencing of meat tastes over my personal experience I think if a mix of pork, venison for a sweet gamey taste, and beef because it’s herbivorous

Some reptiles taste like pork like iguana for example from what I’ve heard but no lie I’m curious too 🍴

[runic heart]

The taste if non-avian dinosaurs and even pterosaurs is probably the same, if not extremely similar. Considering chicken and alligator apparently tastes the same, I’d assume it’s likely that most archosaurs had a similar taste.

Ok nvm apparently only alligator tail tastes like chicken.

[compact leaf]

flavor is mostly based off the diet and muscle of the animal, it’s why we tend to only eat fatty grazers

[quick palm]

Prime African bull elephant slams a Giganotosaurus

[stiff osprey]

This is true because an african elephant hurt goku once which means elephants are at least earth level

[plush fossil]

The reason they went extinct is because the elephants came and beat them up

[lofty creek]

Guys I needa help
who have the original 1952 paper of Sacroprion?

Nielsen, Egil (30 August 1952). "On new or little known Edestidae from the Permian and Triassic of East Greenland". Meddelelser om Grønland

[last adder]

Skin, scales, hair, and feathers basically all come from the same stuff- it makes perfect sense. Skin in general is like really small smoothed down scales anyways.

It's all just keratin expressed in different ways.

[hardy sentinel]

Not skin, skin is an organ

Only scales, feathers, and hair are made of keratin

Also hair and feathers are technically just derived forms of scales

[last adder]

The surface level of skin is majorly composed of keratin..

This is common knowledge.

It's honestly shocking to see someone unaware of that in this channel.

[full lagoon]

What is this logic bro 🤨

[full anvil]

Paleontology is so dope

[full lagoon]

Being an organ doesn't mean it can't be made up of something, and the structures you mentioned are just a more specific subclass of integument.

[charred hearth]

what itchyosaur is this?

[plush fossil]

That's terrifying, reminds me of the meg

[quartz plover]

Fr

[plush fossil]

I'm not sure if this is allowed to be asked here but what's jwe3's most accurate dinosaur/pterosaur/reptile whatever?

[full lagoon]

Possibly a temnodontosaurus, a larger predatory species.

[full lagoon]

The psittacosaurus, protoceratops, and caiuajara are pretty realistic too.

[open compass]

Oh yee

[plush fossil]

Cool, thanks!
Is the Utahraptor any good?

[runic heart]

Best Utahraptor representation you’re going to get is unironically the new Wwd one.

[full lagoon]

Bruh that one is terrible if I'm being honest. It literally has copy pasted bird wings and it's skull doesn't even look like a Utahraptor.

[green helm]

is riograndensis and hatcheri the same

[runic heart]

I guess the nose area could be higher but it’s pretty good.

[full lagoon]

It just doesn't look right to me.

[runic heart]

What specifically though?

Is it the bird-like cheek area? Cause that’s something all dromaeosaurs could have had, being more related to birds.

[full lagoon]

The arms and face still just look wrong compared to the fossils we have. Not to mention that it was one of the more basal dromaeosaurs.

[runic heart]

I suppose that is a fair point. Do you have a representation that you think might be better?

[ancient crystal]

I thought there were some problems with the skull shape

Or was that PK's psittaco?

[full lagoon]

I wouldn't know for sure, I don't really scrutinize it that closely. Regardless it's pretty stunning for a JW game. (If I had to guess I'd assume PK has the more realistic one)

[full lagoon]

Probably any of them with a slightly boxier skull and a more traditional theropod arm position (there's no reason it would be positioned exactly like a modern bird.)

[plush fossil]

I couldn't find any full photos of the wwd utahraptor, what does it look like?

[full lagoon]

It has very small arms that are essentially just bird wings. The anatomy seems skewed in a few other places as well.

[brisk quiver]

Sadge it folds up when it walks cuz of cringe ceratopsian walk animation
As well as it's front legs look unnatural when it walks

[full lagoon]

Animation updates would definitely be nice, especially in terms of combat.

[tough parcel]

Just self-plugging again because it's the only recon I know that uses the Gaston BYU mount but

[full lagoon]

This looks way more realistic to me

It actually has its distinctive skeletal features and positioning instead of having modern birds fused with its physiology in unrealistic (and impractical) ways.

[compact leaf]

shamelessly self plugging yet again

[full lagoon]

I don't know for sure where the trope of augmenting their skeletal anatomy to fit true birds is from but it's not helpful in understanding them as the distinct class of dinosaur they were.

[green helm]

difference between riograndensis and hatcheri?

[balmy oyster]

Nothing, in fact I think they’re the same thing now

[ashen wedge]

I don’t remember this, from my childhood, what’s going on?

[balmy oyster]

bro missed the memo

[ripe walrus]

i have 2 Spinosaurus teeth but i dont know if they came from adults or not is there a way to identify asking cuz im curious

[stiff osprey]

you can't identify age based on teeth, but if they are bigger than 6-7 cm or so, they probably come from an adult

[ripe walrus]

okk thx

my first tooth is 7cm and my second one is 7,5 cm so that means they're maybe from adults right

[charred hearth]

whats worse for scaling, footprint scaling or tooth scaling

[stiff osprey]

if that's the length without the root yea

[bright veldt]

Mosasaurs have scales.

[ripe walrus]

Yes its without the root thanks for the info 👍

[stiff osprey]

no problem!

[queen oar]

Do you have a lateral pic of the BYU Mount?

[tough parcel]

Not anymore! I had a (near) perfect skull lateral but I've misplaced it

[queen oar]

Damn, did you lost the Jerboadiver emote too?

[tough parcel]

I would never

[queen oar]

You should draw a Dinosaur as a Helldiver, me thinks

[runic heart]

Would it be repetitive to put Dromornis in php ice age? Considering we are getting moa AND aepyornis? Idk I just like Dromornis.

[queen oar]

as long as it isn't Titanis

[compact leaf]

it would hammer home the point that there was a lot of giant birds up until very recently, I think we forget that a lot

[runic heart]

I want titanis still.

[tough parcel]

Best I have (I used the skull only)

[runic heart]

Btw, how long exactly was php ice age in production for? Right after season one or two? Just trying to get an idea of when we can expect another season.

[queen oar]

If it was up for you, would you prefer to wait for any new information from the Utahraptor block, or do you think the Skeletal made by hartman still would properly reflect the animal?

[balmy oyster]

How complete is this Utah block anyways? Ik it’s probably not any sort of lancensis grade preservation but I’d imagine it would have to be pretty solid if it means Scott’s skeletal as a whole needs to be re-done

[tough parcel]

Considering the block is being excavated at a glacial pace, I'd just use Hartman

[queen oar]

I think i'll wait

[tough parcel]

I'm not aware of Hartman's skeletal needing to be completely redone, TMK he used bits that were available from the block(?) to fill in some gaps, though I could be misremembering on that

[charred hearth]

is nano the most complete therapod skeletal we have?

[tough parcel]

The humble Psittacosaurus:

There's a few Asian + North American taxa that are on the same level and don't forget European ones like Scipionyx or Compsognathus

[queen oar]

The stupid bird that I hate

[runic heart]

Why do you hate titanis though?

[charred hearth]

do you guys think we'll ever know what the lambeosaurine of hell creek was or will i forever be a mystery?

[queen oar]

Cause it bores me.

[tough parcel]

Right now, the "lambeosaurine" is just misidentified Edmontosaurus bones

Obviously some abstracts propose we're missing some diversity in Edmontosaurus remains but there's no smoking gun evidence (publicly) that says a lambeosaurine resides in HC

[queen oar]

Personally, you are a Paleo-Artist that prefers potential or accuracy?

[tough parcel]

Wdym

Cause a good paleo-artist does both

[neat notch]

Why big eye

[queen oar]

Not really interested on arguing the difference between those two specifics. More so, interested on where you stand or view yourself

[tough parcel]

No I was just curious as to what you meant by "potential"

Do you mean speculative reconstructions like the Dinosaur Revolution Gigantoraptor? Or do you mean the potential interactions like invading Tyrannosaurus and native albertosaurines

[queen oar]

Try to think of it as, Hypothesis that have no actual confirmation, but are really well-thought and make partial sense

[neat notch]

Like Triceratops having quill-like structures on its back?

[tough parcel]

I mean, I don't see a reason as to not draw such

Problem is most hypotheses that I see are directly contradicted by evidence despite being labeled as "Well, we don't know!"

Exactly like Triceratops having quills on its back. The current evidence directly contradicts any such structure but people say it's one of those "great unknowables"

[queen oar]

I wouldn't say it's really impossible, if I do be frank. But, it involves more personal perspective of how we think of these topics

But, where do you think you stand on these, as a Paleo-Artist?

[neat notch]

That goes so hard

[green helm]

i have a question, whats the difference between riograndensis and hatcheri

[charred hearth]

bro got told earlier and got mad

[green helm]

i did?

[tough parcel]

They're synonymized, there are no differences

[green helm]

kk

[charred hearth]

@green helm

[green helm]

i didnt get the ping thats why

[tough parcel]

I mean as I said, if there's no evidence against it, I don't see the harm in its portrayal but stuff like the Triceratops quills does have evidence against it so it's more beneficial to follow the idea that it had none over it did have quills (for @neat notch too)

[queen oar]

What If it did have them only temporarily?

Technically, there you wouldn't need to prioritize neither of the two depictions

[tough parcel]

Well no, that'd only validate spines and the reconstruction on the left but even then, there's no reason to assume they'd be temporary since I cannot think of a reason as to why they'd be temporary nor any animal today that sheds its scales into new "forms"

Bristles is still out of the question

[queen oar]

Yeah, I'm thinking you prefer accuracy

[tough parcel]

I will once again reiterate that if there's no evidence against something, I'm fine with it but if there's direct contradiction, then you cannot support your idea

[queen oar]

What's your opinion on Karl Popper, Sir Gualicho?

[tough parcel]

Never heard of them, why?

[queen oar]

Well, that answers. Thank you

[tough parcel]

According to Popper, a theory in the empirical sciences can never be proven, but it can be falsified, meaning that it can (and should) be scrutinised with decisive experiments.

Oh this guy, yea I don't know how this is applicable considering we can prove that filaments don't grow directly from scales and that if the 3D shape of the base was preserved, there's no reason to assume the 3D shape of the quill would not have been preserved

[winged basin]

hello!

[uncut pollen]

Hello! Fellow Paleonerds

[winged basin]

[queen oar]

You know I can search and find this was from a Wikipedia article, right?

I think even with your last point, I think it should be noted that realistically the shape of a quill wouldn't be preserved, like a Follicle per example, because the kinda of Quills seem in Ornithischians, or even Ceratopsians like Psittacosaurus, tend to normally extend out of already established scales on the body. It's to remember that the lack of follicles, has often been used to discredit the ideas of pycnofibers and filaments in Archosaurs ( Mostly in Pterosaurs ), and has repeatedly gained responses explaining that: " Yes, it's not meant to have follicles "

[hallow spear]

this is a stupid debate, it doesnt have a quill or any form of filament

[queen oar]

It doesn't. But it's possible, that's the difference.

[ancient crystal]

I don't think that's how that works

[hallow spear]

its literally not, the structure is in direct contrary to any plausibility of it being possible. you are simply just wrong, sorry

[tough parcel]

@kindred night has worked directly with the Psittacosaurus specimen/collaborated with the people who studied it so perhaps they can shed some light on this idea that the filaments "tend to normally extend out of already established scales on the body." or otherwise give some insight on the Triceratops quill debacle

[hallow spear]

in THEORY its possible for it to have a quill structure, but not on the feature scales nor any of the skin we have of triceratops, so it would have to be from an area we have no skin from & ontop of that Tacos "quills" are not even quills, they are bristles which require different insertion to be present

[ancient crystal]

Triceratops clearly had bristles on its horns like a pipe cleaner

[tough parcel]

Also I'm aware it's from a Wikipedia article, I copy-pasted it so everyone reading was up to date and aware of what you were talking about

We also have skin from Pachyrhinosaurus that shows no traces of filaments or quills but in fact showed a condition like Triceratops (small raised bumps)

[hallow spear]

we have the same from Chasmosaurus i think

[jagged trellis]

clearly the real answer is all the larger ceratopsians had male pattern baldness

[tough parcel]

It was either Chasmosaurus or Pachyrhinosaurus, probably both tbh

[compact leaf]

we have bits of it from centrosaurus as well

[ancient crystal]

Quill haters (me) eating good rn

[quaint trellis]

Imagine when Allo TLC come out the aloe kind of looks the same as the Isle aloe that's in horde test

[neat notch]

Why tho

[ancient crystal]

They're ugly

[neat notch]

U know what's ugly

||Weevils||

[wind prairie]

I mean the utah's wing feathers do look a little strange but that is more or less accurate afaik

[wind prairie]

I mean I am of the opinion that all dinosaurs must've had at least one tiny feather left over on their body, but as Falcon said the quills of psittacosaurus being spread across ceratopsians is kind of a meme
(I guess if you must... they could be present in other more comparatively basal animals like protoceratops or leptoceratopsids. Protoceratops has a suspiciously raised tail which seems like the perfect base for quills. At the same time we could be digging too deep)

[sudden wind]

I will not tolerate weevil slander

[neat notch]

Ewwwww

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[balmy oyster]

Proto had that as means to spin really fast like a rudder as it swims in water

[jagged trellis]

what goobers

[queen oar]

Realistically, I do not disagree with that part, I'm less defending the meme itself, or trying to suggest the idea behind like " Phylogenetics, and Psittacosaurus is a Ceratopsian, blah blah blah ", I'm more saying it's partially possible, maybe temporarily present, maybe partially present, it doesn't matter the context. It sorta of was related to the point of me asking Gualicho if they are: " ...a Paleo-Artist who prefers potential or accuracy? "

I hold the personal belief that we cannot discard possibilities or other perspectives of how certain elements might be depicted, even if it is due to very selective ways some have decided to contextualize that evidence, if anything it brings complications to discuss about the respective extinct animals, because we are creating limitations to ourselves about how to actually see them

I'd say that I'm more surprised that some have insisted on evidence that proves the contrary, without being able to elaborate how it debunks the possibility discussed, which to me sounds: a lot of the people here do believe in the possibility, they just don't agree... For whatever reason ( This is entailing that, I do not know what reason it is... But it's definitely not a good one )

[jagged trellis]

what

[balmy oyster]

Don’t want to seem illiterate but why do you ALWAYS type in multiple paragraphs over something somewhat simple 😭

[queen oar]

I'm a Yapper...

Sorry, can't help it

[undone rapids]

Many things are possible, but they might not be preferred for depictions if they are not likely to some degree, which varies depending on the artist.

[queen oar]

Agree, but I also think sometimes you need to incentivize a little discussion... Even If it might get a little too out of hand sometimes

[subtle zodiac]

Allosaurus could be a sauropod🧐

What if triceratops walked on 4 legs🧐

[balmy oyster]

These two statements are both technically true

[wind prairie]

3 legs*

[subtle zodiac]

Tyranosaurus rex could be older than Tyranosaurus mecraensis🧐

[hardy sentinel]

Tyrannosaurus Mcraeensis more like non existant

[subtle zodiac]

Was velociraptor a bird🧐

[sharp jackal]

No bap

[lavish frigate]

I got a young earth creationism PTSD flashback from this sentence

[queen oar]

What if @balmy oyster was a Paleo-Artist?

[balmy oyster]

That would mean I have to do something except procrastinate and do nothing

[queen oar]

But what kinda of Paleo-Art do you think you would produce?

[lavish frigate]

I feel this

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mavel-capcom-cyclops-ryu-marvel-vs-capcom-fighting-collection-gif-3193918533248352403

[ashen wedge]

Are they dangerous?

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/ava-jerome-gif-26332247

[charred hearth]

is it true the most common cause of hadrosaur injurey was by mating?

[sudden wind]

no

[ashen wedge]

You certain to someone that is terrified of bugs?

[sudden wind]

They aren't venomous, nor sting or whatever. They mostly are pollinators afaik.

[ashen wedge]

No!!!! Pollinators!!!! Sadly for me I am allergic to pollen so they are technically my enemy….

[ashen wedge]

Is it true tho?

[charred hearth]

thats what im asking

[stiff osprey]

I don't know if it's the most common pathology but it's fairly common and it is mating related

[ashen wedge]

Or it could be bad fossilization? Just throwing that idea out as a possibility, is it a low chance, yes

[full lagoon]

Would they have really needed to step on them like this? Id assume that the sex organs would be optimized for these large animals mating.

Then again I'm realizing they had those massive tails that would make mounting from behind impossible...

[little mauve]

The injuries are proximal to the cloacal opening, thats part of the authors' reasoning

[winter marsh]

remove the we from weevil and we have something bad

[stiff osprey]

weevils without communism = evil

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Dexerto/status/1988330913466356141

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

A new species of prehistoric shark, Pochitaserra patriciacanalesae, has been named after Pochita from Chainsaw Man

X · Nov 11, 2025, 7:40 PM

[opaque kayak]

Looks kinda like platyptergius https://www.deviantart.com/paleonerd01/art/Mighty-Platypterygius-991289838

[hardy sentinel]

Define bird

[hardy sentinel]

I mean the entire pushing force of evolution is to copulate, even if it injured the male or female. If they make the next generation it worked. That's why we get harmful animal sex that may hurt the receiver and/or giver yet the animals are successful

TL:DR Edmontosaurus sex is rough but it worked so well no new adaptations were necessarily needed to make said sex nicer

[arctic crane]

Have you guys seen the meta natural art's nano model yet?

It's based on Jane I think. The hands look a little too small but still pretty neat

[balmy oyster]

Neat

[charred hearth]

whats the sneak? and why is it prehestoric planet?

[wind prairie]

I think I get the joke but it's kinda dumb because it was just talking about paleomedia and not dinosaur media, preplanet ice age absolutely counts (by this logic PK wouldn't count either since mammals are prominently featured)

or the joke is just that WWD 2025 is bad... yeah, that's probably it nvm-

[charred hearth]

thats wwd 2014...

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[charred hearth]

2013...

[jagged trellis]

( its not)
the wwd movie took place solely in na

[charred hearth]

it is wwd 2013, i see the pachyrhino and troodon

[jagged trellis]

dawg

[charred hearth]

i love to be wrong and double down instead of admitting my wrongess!

i cant wait to get rid you of pantz, one day you will dissapear and i can be free.

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/technical-glitch-it-happens-a-lot-actually-blitzwing-blitzwing-technical-gitch-it-happens-a-lot-actually-blitzwing-technical-glitch-blitzwing-blitzwing-technical-glitch-gif-806829063102648903

[quick palm]

Prime African Bull Elephant slams a Giga

[severe yew]

Lucifer Bee

Hell, no 👹

[opaque kayak]

Credits to @coral forge

[stray saddle]

Allosaurus is just bigger

[astral spindle]

So how high would Palaeoloxodon scale if Bush elephant is planetary?

[hushed fossil]

Design reviews: Ark's Dunkleosteus

Good or nah?

[astral spindle]

Nah, because it beats Megalodon

[quick palm]

Yutyrannus is acc bigger

[brave nova]

Allo is a lot bigger. Especially using allos biggest specimens

[outer tusk]

straight ass

[jagged trellis]

we love chunky dunky

[stray saddle]

Fragilis adult could perfectly reach 11 - 12 meters. And that's just insane lol

[quick palm]

Yutyrannus could generally reach 29.6ft in length while allosaurus reached 28ft with yutyrannus also being slightly taller, just allo is a bit heavier

[brave nova]

Size is determined by mass. Yuty topped out at about 1.7t. Meanwhile there’s allos at 4.8t

[outer tusk]

is about the same besides ofc some speicmens of Allosaurus "fragiilis" that get over ~4 tonnes

[hushed fossil]

I don't get it

[outer tusk]

what do you not get 99% of ark design either are ass or are not accurate to the animal they are meant to be 😭

[jagged trellis]

ignoring the arkifying part, arks dunkle is also based on the outdated l o n g props

[brave nova]

So yutys biggest was about the size of mid sized allos we have

[quick palm]

An allosaurus that big is an allosaurus anax which is literally being questioned and disputed from how much of an outlier it is

The average yutyrannus would still win against an allosaurus

[hushed fossil]

This is better, thank you

[quick palm]

Fax the designs are so ass

[brave nova]

There’s a fragilis specimen up there aswell as others. Not just Anax got that big

Then a lot of them in the ~3t range. Which is then almost double yutys size

[quick palm]

No fragilis got up to 4.8 tons

[brave nova]

Yuty also doesn’t have an “average” not enough specimens to get a reliable one. If u want u can use the smaller yuty, there’s one at 1.2t

[quick palm]

Gamma jack victim

[jagged trellis]

always:)

[brave nova]

AMNH 5767 (first on the list I sent) is assigned to fragilis atm

[hushed fossil]

When I say "reviews" I don't mean accuracy wise btw, especially when Ark is hard sci fi. I want to know if people think it represents an animal well

[quick palm]

I just went to check this and it’s literally just a few fossils that is being disputed to being a totally new theropod all my with an allo so erm ye

[brave nova]

I mean yea it’s disputed yea but allo atm is a mess in itself. There’s still 3t fragilis’s which are again pretty much double yutys size

[runic heart]

Allosaurus smokes Yutyrannus, idk what some of yall are on about.

[quick palm]

Nuh uh yuty drop kicks allo

[plush fossil]

Looks cool, but I don't think it's accurate😭

[outer tusk]

again if we wanna use a much larger speicmen 😭\

[runic heart]

Well, that’s what I meant.

[outer tusk]

then it would make more to mention those instead of in general

[green helm]

planetary level

[quick palm]

Here’s another one, Albertosaurus slams ceratosaurus

[green helm]

okay

[runic heart]

Yeah

[brave nova]

Y do u just like these 1 sided fights 🥀

[jagged trellis]

2 baits and a truth

[coral forge]

the average fragilis was several hundred kg larger than the largest yuty

[green helm]

thats hes thing

[fossil ingot]

AMNH should be +5t
Anax is +4.8t iirc

[fossil ingot]

This guy is iirc can be lumped to Fragilid and should be about 4.2t

[fossil ingot]

I mean
A Decently Big Allo is 2.7-3t vs the 1.7t Yuty lol
Who is the largest Yuty

[brave nova]

Yea 4.8t. Last I’ve seen from what random said

[outer tusk]

ZCDM V5000

[mellow gale]

Could an Iguanadon be 11,000 pounds?

[stiff osprey]

yes, it could be more than that

[warped peak]

Pretty good for a stylized retro Dunk

Horrible by accuracy standards these days

[balmy oyster]

It could be close to double that.

[wind prairie]

albertosaurus slamming into nothing and breaking its head because ceratosaurus is long dead:

what are the hardest extinct animals to imagine alive for you guys?

[plush fossil]

Any super super large sauropod for me

[wind prairie]

pterosaurs in general but especially the large ones for me because how do you even fathom such a creature that appears that huge, but can ALSO fly. It can already be hard to comprehend a giraffe in person

[warped peak]

Tbf they weren't that big either

[wind prairie]

right. I wanted to use a better image but couldn't find one I liked
they're seemingly about the same size either way though the model has a shorter neck and bigger head

[runic heart]

The kiwi-postured moa hypothesis is honestly stupid. We have rock paintings of them standing erect.

[wind prairie]

tbf even if they stood like kiwis it doesn't mean they'd do it all the time as kiwis occasionally rear their heads up. This and I feel the neck up may have just been more appealing to draw

[runic heart]

But what’s the reasoning for the kiwi posture?

[wind prairie]

wdym? Like why kiwis stand like that or why it's thought moas did?

[balmy oyster]

I don’t see why things such as moas need to be positioned like kiwi’s when we have all sorts of giant flightless birds that have no issue being reconstructed upright

[compact leaf]

resting and feeding posture can also be way different, diplodocids are a perfect example (feed low, rest high)

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[fierce quarry]

Like they said

[balmy oyster]

Clearly that’s not a trex nor anything close to trex

[fierce quarry]

Also, why would an evolved T.rex look like....JWD Giga ?

[undone rapids]

Its Chilantaisaurus!!

[bright veldt]

Since when is yuty 1.7 tons?

[charred hearth]

is this what tyrannosauriods actually looked like?

[tough parcel]

No, it's a surface level "Tyrannosauroid = long arms"

[hushed fossil]

Thats not comparable to JWD giga at all, it's just grey

It's still a half-assed excuse tho

[winter marsh]

this is basically allosaurus if it had some shrinkwrapping in the face and was depicted with huge chonk like bigger theropods

[charred hearth]

speaking of allo, is it true it had snake like scales?

[tough parcel]

Correct but they're extremely teeny tiny and barely noticeable unless you're kissing the animal

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-kiss-suck-gif-5147832137318895856

[runic heart]

Why we thought moas did

[runic heart]

I believe it refers to ventral scales. We have record of them in quite a few groups of theropods, but they are very small and hard to notice. Why they had them, idk.

[fossil ingot]

4.8t is from Anax tmk
While AMNH does reach 5t

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
1.7t Yuty
Cool lad

[bright veldt]

I’m confused as to how this conclusion was reached. The only metrics I’ve seen have it at around 1.2.

[balmy oyster]

gained 500 more kgs from stress eating

[charred hearth]

yutyrannus looking at how many liaoningotitan it needs to eat to gain weight

[balmy oyster]

in its defense it did exist ~70 million years before the creation of smart phones

[stiff osprey]

talk dumb get the thumb

[balmy oyster]

iguanadon best be glad it didn't exist in the last 10 million years of the Mesozoic

[wind prairie]

... idk tbh, just remembered moas aren't even the ones thought to have been related to kiwis iirc, that'd be elephant birds

[runic heart]

Damn, they really crossed oceans.

Also I did NOT realize how much heavier aepyornis was than dinornis.

[winter marsh]

they all are iirc, since kiwis are ratites, and both moas and elephant birds are also ratites

[wind prairie]

ofc, I mean within ratites
yep apterygiformes (kiwi) are right next to aepyornithiformes (elephant birds) while moas are more related to tinamous

[green helm]

I thought they could explain what gravity is

[charred hearth]

Is this true and accurate?

[full lagoon]

She's gonna get folded by the giga a second time

[charred hearth]

also, if you wanna see the first paleopark anime to be made, make sure to vote for dinosaur park to see accurate dinosaurs and prehestoric animals in anime! https://x.com/DinosanOfficial/status/1988655965970063751

『ディノサン』11/8⑧巻発売＆絵本発売中📔【公...

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VOTE🗳️🦖
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X · Nov 12, 2025, 5:11 PM

[full lagoon]

At the same time there have been cool unexpected confrontations in the show

[charred hearth]

allosaurus when it gets folded by another ceratopsian for the third time:

[stiff osprey]

Pyroraptor in the show had twenty times more aura than it did in Dominion so i'm hoping giga gets the same treatment

[charred hearth]

didnt majunga also have mad aura in cc?

[full lagoon]

That show basically sold Pyroraptor to me because they portrayed it so much better. Intelligent, opportunistic, and oddly enough even had some form of common sense against the Atrocioraptors.

[full lagoon]

Even gallimimus had aura though too, that one in Africa was peak and even fended off a raptor.

[charred hearth]

has rexy won any fight against a animal her size

[tough parcel]

Tarbosaurus

[full lagoon]

Does triceratops count because I'm sure that had to have happened

[charred hearth]

it fought lady margret to a draw

[tough parcel]

It's implied Lady Margaret got TKOed or at least got away with more injury than Rexy

I trusted you Pantz...

[full lagoon]

Is that canon or from that one game

[charred hearth]

i trusted me too.

[tough parcel]

The game is soft canon but otherwise yea

[full lagoon]

Sometimes I like the show better than some movies because of this and other more nuanced things

[charred hearth]

rexy

• beat tarbo
• fought lady margaret to a draw or came out with less injurey
• had to have 3 animals jump the indom
• didnt fight the scorpio rex for somereason?
• ran from giga
• was getting beat up by the giga until everyone also jumped giga

give her screentime give her fodder give her mid tiers or she retires.

[full lagoon]

Realistically she would have to start using her brain to win fights instead of being so overly aggressive and reckless

[charred hearth]

how old is 34 years if you translate it from trex years to human years

[winter marsh]

not counting the 2 raptors she destroyed and the carno she farmed aura on

[charred hearth]

she snuck 1 raptor and came in after the sinoceratops beat up Toro

[winter marsh]

also she beat the almost invincible pooping lawyer

[charred hearth]

this is her strongest feat....

[full lagoon]

For her age her combat experience is not good

[winter marsh]

rexy is kinda fodded tbf, biggest feat of her was probably a random medium theropod or raptor (alone)

[charred hearth]

what about tarbo?

she got folded and needed help from the campers....

[little mauve]

Sue and Trix are both about 30 and are the oldest T. rex we know of

[winter marsh]

old ladie

[warped peak]

@rancid glade Cave bear fact for you

They were predominantly herbivores, with some populations taking it extreme

[wind prairie]

what's the coolest dinosaur clade with this body type
dinornithidae, struthionidae, ornithomimidae

[hardy sentinel]

I find it kinda funny how in media depictions of dinosaurs the herbivores always get lame toned down animal sounds/mixes and carnivores get crocodile sounds

Make Triceratops sounds like a crocodile and make Rex sound like a moose 🗣️

[bright veldt]

A recent study actually aged Scotty and found it to be the new current oldest tyrannosaurus known.

[rancid glade]

I knew that some cave bears did eat vegetation sometimes, didn't know that some populations had such an unusual body plan

[charred hearth]

oh how old?

[bright veldt]

https://youtu.be/zp8cx5-c0Sw?si=vmNp1qaT-8-XLCjn Scotty was 32-35.

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-for-now-mask-gif-10084566

[charred hearth]

is it possible for us to translate tyrannosaurid years into human years or nah?

[warped peak]

The wikipedia page for this thing probably needs some work. Most of it is basic info about generic "cave bears" (I assume U. spelaeus) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursus_rossicus

[balmy oyster]

If we can do it for whatever nowadays I don’t see why not

[rancid glade]

Right so that's relevant moreso to the dwarf species

But basically yes I was aware cave bears did have a more vegetation focused diet. Although I do think they'd probably scavenge something maybe sometimes if the opportunity presented itself.

[sullen cairn]

Scotty should at least theoretically be a good bit younger than sue given there is a Tyrannosaurus specimen with a skeletally mature fibula but not femur (ergo fibula reaches skeletal maturity before the femur), and Scotty has fewer LAGS in its fibular EFS than Sue's femoral EFS

[thorn grove]

not sure how relevant it is but wasn't there a thesis on Tarbosaurus a bit ago finding that Tyrannosaurid ages were being underestimated

[sullen cairn]

iirc it found that the larger specimens' with remodelled early growth records were having their ages underestimated relative to being fitted to a curve alongside younger specimens

though that wouldnt have any bearing on comparing relative age like with scotty/sue

here we are

[stiff osprey]

i like the one curve on the far right that makes tarbosaurus take 200+ years to mature

[tough parcel]

Just like the tortoise...

[mellow gale]

Which looks better (talking about good ol Iguanodon)

[little mauve]

So Scotty may be 30-35 but Sue is still older?

[little mauve]

I see the claim in here but is there published material to go along with it? Curious how they came to that revision, especially with the differences to Sue @sullen cairn mentioned. Now I'm confused lol

[compact leaf]

just like the mighty 250 year old supersaurus

[craggy trench]

seems very reliable to me

[sullen cairn]

AFAIK there’s never been an attempt to retrocalculate Scotty’s chronological age so best bet would probably be to work backwards from Sue (which iirc is estimated at ~35 on average with zanno and napoli’s retrocalculations

[little mauve]

Gotcha, thank you

[charred hearth]

if a rex was in captivity, how old do you guys think they could get ?

[sullen cairn]

scotty has 2-5 LAGs in its fibular EFS (the exact counts hard to discern due to remodelling) whereas sue has 8 LAGs in its femoral EFS to the assumption would be Scotty's at least 3-6 years younger

[wind prairie]

do you guys think hesperornis ever went after small young marine reptiles

[elder dagger]

what are some legit (online) shops to buy fossils from?

[foggy river]

Not a direct answer, but definitely read up on ethical sourcing- many countries and regions have issues with fossil smuggling and forgery, and even child labor, so it's a good idea to (on top of choosing a legitimate shop) pick something that is also ethically sourced 👍

[elder dagger]

that's really good to know! thanks 👍

[drowsy seal]

plausible
like maybe a really young mosasaur that got lost

[foggy river]

I haven’t bought any myself but I received one from fossilera and have heard generally good reviews
There’s a fossil forum you could check out to get more info too

[halcyon cobalt]

Young turtles definitely

[ashen wedge]

Yes

[quick palm]

Ankylosaurus is the best herbivore against carnivores like trex and giga

[fossil ingot]

Its a 5t Flat Guy that is low to the Ground
Its Tail Cub while not the strongest, its enough to hurt enough and be annoying to hunt

[neat notch]

The precursor of the "DAAAAAAAMN!!!" meme

[swift sand]

https://tenor.com/view/pukekolawg-gif-2219179965988616935

[thorn grove]

I read (skimmed) a paper that analyzed the hitting power Ankylosaurus' tail club, finding it could break bone in an abstract sense, but it simply suggest that for deciding whether it could break the bones of large Theropods specifically that finite element analysis would have to be done

Has that been done since then? Do we have info on that

[sudden wind]

The newborn Polycotylid here is too small (they were like about 33% to 50% their mother's size at birth) so probably not. Maybe Mosasaurs.

[little mauve]

marine reptiles in general have large newborns, even mosasaurs, a newborn clidastes was about 30 cm long and the head of a newborn tylosaur was also about 30 cm

[wind prairie]

it's of unktaheela which is already small but yeah I guess proportionally speaking, idk?

[full lagoon]

I've always found the sturdy plate like hip and sternum of plesiosaurs really cool. I wonder if it had some other type of functionality.

It reminds me of the plastron of turtles, so maybe it could help with supporting their bodies when beached?

[tough parcel]

Or it could just be a large muscle attachment for your main form of propulsion

Like I'm 99.9% sure any sort of terrestrial ability for marine reptiles has been ruled out since the 90s/early 2000s

[wind prairie]

I think nothosaurs were ruled out more recently

[full lagoon]

Not even nothosaurs?

[full lagoon]

I wasn't trying to imply that they would have actually gone out of their way to do that btw

[tough parcel]

They wouldn't have done it at all unless they liked dying

[full lagoon]

Like I said I wasn't saying it was something they actually would have done, it was just an observation contrasting them with other marine animals.

[full lagoon]

However I'm still curious about why we are so certain that they couldn't move on land whatsoever

I know they didn't have a need to because they gave live birth but even still they look like they'd be a lot more capable in that regard versus cetaceans

[bright veldt]

Tmk they lack the limb flexibility and musculature to actually hold their necks on land. They look like they have legs but they don’t really have legs basically.

[queen oar]

Hey Gualicho

Draw a Dinosaur as a Helldiver

[full lagoon]

Even for something like a nothosaurs? I kind of find that difficult to believe.

[bright veldt]

There’s nothing published asking this question (everyone just kind of assumes leg=walk) but there are various traits nothosaurs have that are against them being able to move on land.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512496784547905547/1065371618173538336/A9EEE425-6065-42A5-8893-29356E54E4CA.jpg?ex=6916ec63&is=69159ae3&hm=2e077080e5aa1d2b99febea16c995fe9c26c0274f238822676cf8928cd1b708c&

[warped peak]

Same goes for Ambulocetus and Desmostylians

[queen oar]

What if we made a giant prosthetic that made them walk again?

[outer tusk]

this guy posted elite ball knowledge

[wind prairie]

wait what
now we think those things couldn't walk at all??

[runic heart]

I knew desmostylians couldn’t walk, but ambulocetus?

[warped peak]

Yes

[runic heart]

Why might that be the case? How exactly do we know?

[warped peak]

Their ribs couldn't support the load required to walk

[wind prairie]

I thought desmostylians could at least flop around in a seal like way

[runic heart]

So what’s the earliest whale relative that could walk?

[warped peak]

Might be possible for Desmostylus itself IIRC but the entire rest of the family is more heavily adapted for marine life. The shoulders are almost floating, and they are huge animals bigger than any seal barring Elephant seals

[wind prairie]

didn't realize they were that big

[charred hearth]

even warlus?

[frosty cedar]

Ngl I'd be down for fried anomalocaris.

[wind prairie]

ichthyosaur is not something I want in my mouth

[frosty cedar]

Why? Do most reptiles taste awful?

[wind prairie]

no- quite the contrary to my knowledge actually. Alligator tastes like chicken I believe. Tortoise fat was used to make dodo birds more appetizing for hungry sailors back in the day- turtle soup exists, etc.

but most animals in the niche of ichthyosaurs (like.. a medium-small dolphin or shark) do not taste very good afaik

[frosty cedar]

Oh, alright. Yeah, I thought that reptiles would taste at least ok, since birds are also reptiles. Don't know how I forgot it.
From a lot of hystorical accounts and diaries, dodo tasted like absolute garbage tho. Only their eggs were delicious, which is kinda true for most birds I believe. Or eggs in general.

[charred hearth]

how often were a therapods teeth getting replaced?

lets use trex as a example

[frosty cedar]

I know spinosaurus' teeth were falling out very frequently, that's why there are so many of them. Rex probably had something similar.

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/WryCritic/status/1988852554969604534

Natalia Jagielska (@WryCritic)

Sad news of Garfield Minott, a prolific dinosaur modeller and palaeoartist, recognised for contributions to the description of dinosaur binocular vision, passed away.

X · Nov 13, 2025, 6:12 AM

[little mauve]

From https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0224734#:~:text=In contrast to previous results,and lower rates in coelurosaurs.

[hushed fossil]

Design reviews: Ark's Mosasaurus

Good or nah?

[bright veldt]

Irrelevant. Much better here.

[wind prairie]

I can think of so many other better mosasaur designs

[last adder]

Can I have some sources regarding the fact certain prehistoric aquatic animals like mentioned above couldn't even support their weight apparently

[bright veldt]

explanation on nothoaurs is here, there are actual studies with ambuleocetus and desmostylians although I personally don't know where they are right now

[hushed fossil]

I wanna know your reasoning

[bright veldt]

One actually looks like a mosasaur and the other doesn't

[wind prairie]

ark's mosa doesn't even look like a mosasaur
does it even have the forked tongue? You'd think people making mosasaurs monster like would jump to include that detail but apparently not lol (see JW)

[hushed fossil]

I see your game

[velvet burrow]

Because of that Ark Aquatica trailer i'm willing to say it's AI

And if it isn't... i'll say it anyways out of pure slander

[wind prairie]

it's not. That trailer wasn't made by actual ASE artists lmao
besides the dossier is way way older than when AI could make anything half decent

[hushed fossil]

It came out in 2015 dude. It also has way more merit even if bad

[velvet burrow]

Shhh Ark was entirely funded and programmed on ChatGPT
This is my truth now

[bright veldt]

It really doesn't have merit at all. It's a sludge monster being paraded as a mosasaur.

[charred hearth]

@balmy oyster

[hushed fossil]

It's human made, with a possible reasoning behind it

[bright veldt]

Is this embargoed or no?

[charred hearth]

what does embargoed mean

[wind prairie]

I do think outdated though scientifically informed (at the time) mosasaurs have a lot of value still though

[bright veldt]

Ofcourse

[hushed fossil]

Yeah it's kind of a caricature of a retro mosa, I dig it in that way

[wind prairie]

no

[charred hearth]

g-guys how accurate is monsters ressurected spino?

[runic heart]

[balmy oyster]

ADAMMMM RHAAHAGFHFHHG

[balmy oyster]

No I think it was publicly shared unlike the schimitar spino stuff

[runic heart]

The new torosaurus spine reveals a VERY hunched back. Probably more muscle and had something to do with its giant head.

[ashen ether]

Its just a more accurate Jurassic park three spinosaurus except with head spines such

[bright veldt]

Gotcha

[charred hearth]

is it really more accurate then jp3 spino

[bright veldt]

It's really not. JP3 for the time had easily the most accurate spinosaurus, and for 2011 it still wouldn't be bad at all.

[ashen ether]

Yeah except it can’t crush bone and snap necks I still prefer the most up to date reconstruction of it being a mix of bipedal and walking on it’s knuckles to keep its claws sharp and undamaged

[hushed fossil]

About as accurate as the Ark mosa to a mosasaurus haha (not really, that one is probably worse)

[charred hearth]

also, isnt it so grossly oversized its not funny?

[wind prairie]

could an elephant bird theoretically be ridden without a massive strain on its body?
I know this is possibly with ostriches but unfortunately it hurts them badly

[ashen ether]

Yeah the size is over exaggerated

[ashen ether]

I can’t imagine getting kicked and on top of that gutted by its clawed feet and for the saddle maybe? In quotation

[runic heart]

Think elephant birds were angry like cassowaries?

[ashen ether]

Probably

[runic heart]

Imagine: 10ft tall basically emu with the attitude of a cassowary.

[bright veldt]

It is the largest bird. It wouldn't be much of an issue. The biggest ones are like 800 kg.

[bright veldt]

Cassowaries aren't angry. They're shy reactive birds. The aggressive reputation is grossly exaggerated. Ostriches have killed more people than them.

[charred hearth]

if dakotaraptor was real, which do you guys find most likely?

[runic heart]

Knowing what’s been going on recently with unenlagids, it’s probably that.

[charred hearth]

the saurian devs would cry themselves to sleep if it was a unenlagid

[ancient crystal]

Just about as bad as it could be

[fossil ingot]

Adam ||totally didn't had this before||

[low raven]

Most up to date for spino is strictly bipedal it’s just got stubby legs

[wind prairie]

a bird being almost a ton like this is hilarious

hard to say whether I prefer them or moas

[fluid inlet]

Is this a new skeletal

[runic heart]

Yes, based on a spine that was found recently.

[balmy oyster]

new torosaurus (possibly new species?)

[fossil ingot]

Its Adam

[fossil ingot]

Its adam
Lad is more than an Spine
Its rather complete and has been known for like 1 year or so?
Byt sadly no description yet
HOWEVER
it seems we are getting Closer to it

Adam seems to not be T.Latus
Might be Utahensis
But at the same time
Might even be something new

Now if only Tiny was described aswell...

[wind prairie]

that pose is so silly
also I didn't think their tails were that long-

[hallow spear]

Please do not post this, the authors do not want it shared publically and the photo was taken/shared without permission

[queen oar]

i'd say Dromaeosaurinae, close to Deinonychus

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-this-guy-gets-it-got-it-gif-16228296

[wind prairie]

why is platecarpus and its relatives always portrayed as so thicc?? Do we have evidence of that?

[queen oar]

Hydrodynamics

[ashen ether]

Eh the knuckle walking part sounded cool though

[balmy oyster]

No & usually I see mosasaurs being reconstructed as lean, so idk where the fat ones are coming from probably deviantart

[wind prairie]

I feel like they'd be more hydrodynamic if they didn't look like tom and jerry eating a balloon

then again I think there is more evidence in plioplatecarpines for possibly deep diving and some chunk would help with that

[jagged trellis]

discord didn't load the image and i got real scared real fast from that
but yeah

[hardy sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/1400625003896246403/ConcaxIchthy_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[ashen wedge]

So that’s what concavenator’s spine bump was used for

[ashen ether]

No

[hardy sentinel]

they complete each other

[fluid inlet]

Wdym looks like it’s a public setting lol

[foggy river]

It's a private conference

"Do not photograph or video tape a talk or poster without the authors’ express permission. Never post any images or video without the authors’ permission.

While the default assumption is to allow open discussion of SVP presentations on social media, please respect any request by an author to not disseminate the contents of their talk. "

[tough parcel]

Actually it was at my house, we had cookies

[queen oar]

Why do you think that?

[velvet burrow]

Ah yes, Convexvenator

[craggy trench]

Do you have any left over

[hardy sentinel]

Consexvenator

[fluid inlet]

If that was in the photo I didn’t even realize it, was too memorized by the new Toro skeletal.

[frosty cedar]

Man, the 2000s-early 2010s biggest theropod glazing was insane. Doctor Doom fans wish they could glaze this hard.

[frosty cedar]

It all makes sense now.

[green helm]

spinosaurus maximus specimen!!!

[sudden wind]

Iirc the Polycotylid are like considered as the most pelagic Plesiosaurs known, or at least could be given their locomotry performance. They also give live birth so I don't see why would their sternum and hip being large would be correlated with terrestrial performance when it actually is correlated with their attachement on the body, mouvement capacity and thickness (not wideness), so weight bearing.

[fluid inlet]

Pay your respects to the goat https://x.com/wrycritic/status/1988852554969604534?s=46

Natalia Jagielska (@WryCritic)

Sad news of Garfield Minott, a prolific dinosaur modeller and palaeoartist, recognised for contributions to the description of dinosaur binocular vision, passed away.

X · Nov 13, 2025, 6:12 AM

[frosty cedar]

Don't let Pyrocynical know that.

[neat notch]

Aerodynamically speaking, droplet-like shapes are the most aerodynamical form possible.
Not sure if this extends to high fluidity environments thought.

Also, I won't tolerate phatt lizard slander on this channel

[frosty cedar]

Unrealistic body standarts are hurting the paleo community.

[neat notch]

That's suberb. Elegant, powerful and gets the service done

[neat notch]

Lol, shrink wrapping, for instance

[ashen ether]

Babushka wants no skinny dinosaur unfed she wants them fat for winter

I want my dinosaurs packed with muscle and looking like fatten cattle

[frosty cedar]

My grandma just stuffs me with food. It's painful, but it's worth it.
No joke tho, being overwheight is not good, you need to work out.

[ashen ether]

Yeah what I mention the first part was a joke but I do see what you’re saying but in actuality a shrink wrapped dinosaur doesn’t look right

[frosty cedar]

I know that was a joke, but for dinosaurs it's completely different. Rex may look chubby and fat, but it's all muscle.

[ashen ether]

Facts

[neat notch]

"IN WATER, CHIMPS WILL DROWN"

Hippos are the definition of when you're so bad at one thing that actually makes you an ace
Them water horses are so densely packed with muscles and have so little fat that they have to really try staying at the water column. Instead, they simply run on the bottom, and fast

[neat notch]

That's also why hippos can't cross deep water for much long

[frosty cedar]

Do hippos actually have any natural predators? Obviously the babies would more vulnerable, but are they actually? How often do crocs even dare to attack them?

Or lions, maybe.

[neat notch]

Scar King, the GOAT
may he rest in peace 🫡

[neat notch]

too op nerf pls ahh water pig

[ashen ether]

Hippos do get prey on actually

[neat notch]

Baby hippos (normally with their mother supervision) use to nibble on crocs tails to ease toothing pain, but sometimes they do it even when alone, and even then the water geckos be shook and well behaved, cuz them know what happens if they don't

[frosty cedar]

Adults?

[neat notch]

"Crocodile gets subtracted from the census, colorized"

[paper parcel]

The trex is the natural predator of the hippo when they are adults(jk but the only cases I know of are people with guns or exceptionally large crocodiles)

[neat notch]

This "proves" 2 things:

• Hippos don't fear God
• Crocs don't like to get turned into flip flops

[paper parcel]

Literal land whale💀

[neat notch]

"THE KASAI REX IS REAAAAAAAL"

[quick palm]

Must have been the wind

[neat notch]

Dog keep it paleontological at least 🥺

[frosty cedar]

Hippos would probably lose their mind if spinosaurus suddenly lived alongside them.

[quick palm]

Prime African Bull elephant slams a giga like high diff

[neat notch]

Just watch the Spino get mobbed by them:

[paper parcel]

I get it but hippos are basically walking tanks so a Tyrannosaur would be the best bet.

[frosty cedar]

I've seen some clips of lions struggling to take down even a baby elefant, they are doing absolutely nothing to an adult hippo.
So, basically only very large crocs and humans are a threat.

[quick palm]

A bison would slam a ceratosaurus btw

[neat notch]

Again, Scar King

[frosty cedar]

T.rex victim.

[ashen ether]

Yeah different lion prides in different areas because specialists in taking down whatever is in their area

[quick palm]

Scar king? As in Godzilla?

[neat notch]

As in the baddest lion that ever lived

[frosty cedar]

I guess lions can get really desperate.

[paper parcel]

Fasolasuchus vs hippo?

[neat notch]

Scarface, sorry

[ashen ether]

Or really good it depends on how many lions are in the pride too

The males hunt as well just they spend their time guarding the pride from other threats

[frosty cedar]

Well, I mean, 20 lions can definitely kill a hippo, but I don't remember if they actually hunt in such large groups.

[ashen ether]

I’ve seen them on National Geographic, animal planet, and whatever current nature shows on stream tv etc

[paper parcel]

They do, some lions or a certain lion group that went extinct I cant remember the name of, became extremely large and specialized to kill water buffalo, which were the only avaliable food source

[frosty cedar]

But do modern lions do that as well?

[ashen ether]

Yes

[neat notch]

https://www.kenyatsavosafaris.com/scarface-lion/#:~:text=Scarface was a well-known African lion that,was known for his strength and dominance

Imagine glazing a animal so hard you forget it's actual name 💀

[ashen ether]

What every lion wants to be only a few can achieve it

[frosty cedar]

Nice. But yeah, I assume they would hunt elephants in very dire circumstances. But the payoff is huge, an elephant can feed the entire pride.

[paper parcel]

Nah Kasai rex solos

[ancient crystal]

They get preyed on by hyenas and lions if they're caught far from water

[quick palm]

A rhino slams a carnotaurus

[ashen ether]

Ah a man of culture I see you like cryptids too?

[paper parcel]

Mokele mbemba is peak too

[ashen ether]

https://tenor.com/view/caffine-rush-tantrum-not-fed-my-husband-when-my-boyfriend-when-gif-7430916922022692727

[frosty cedar]

Is spino sitting on a big fish?

[opaque kayak]

bro sat on onchopristis

[ashen ether]

Nope long neck dinosaur or sauropod if you’re specific

[green helm]

well thats not the spino

[paper parcel]

Mokele mbemba is a sauropod that lives in the Amazon River, and is semi aquatic

[ashen ether]

It was the one dinosaur that’s being sat on I think bounzy bones was asking about

[green helm]

perusaurus

[tough parcel]

Are you /j or /srs

[paper parcel]

Yes

[ashen ether]

Tylosaurus has entered the chat

[frosty cedar]

I was asking what spinosaurus is sitting on. Giga is obviously sitting on a sauropod, but I don't get what spinosaurus is sitting on. Probably looks like a rock.

[tough parcel]

I think, just for any listeners out there who aren't aware, it should be known that the natives of the area started leaning more heavily into the "sauropod" look after explorers started showing them sauropods lol

[green helm]

deinosuchus stealing the deathroll

[ashen wedge]

I still think this is not too accurate cause the death roll might have existed prior

[ashen ether]

My bad I didn’t realize that

[tough parcel]

Yes, the Spinosaurus is sitting on the head of Onchopristis which is...a feat, I think

[green helm]

oh no..... dont tell me...

[paper parcel]

Hmmmm

[tough parcel]

Honestly reasonable reaction to that seat

[ashen wedge]

Wait does that mean that the barbs nose is in…..

[green helm]

NOT THE HEAD OF IT NO!

[frosty cedar]

Lmfao

[ashen ether]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-oh-my-gawd-omg-god-gawd-gif-24892334

[paper parcel]

Lucky

[green helm]

dayum dinosaurs getting freaky

[frosty cedar]

It goes deep probably.

[green helm]

why you reminding us

[paper parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/awawa-hyrax-lick-tongue-gif-6048808225656235212

[opaque kayak]

[frosty cedar]

I mean, I'm just fascinated by such a peculiar entertainment for spinosaurus. Can't wait for the paper.

[paper parcel]

He's going to convert you💀

[stiff osprey]

You can tell this comic was drawn by a carch fanboy, not from the fact that Spinosaurus has a saw up its ass, but by the fact Carcharodontosaurus is portrayed as smart

[green helm]

carch bias

[paper parcel]

That is not carch, that is giga, head too tall and thin

[tough parcel]

It's Carch lol

[stiff osprey]

it is absolutely carch

[frosty cedar]

IF IT'S GREEN AND CARCH SHAPED IT'S GIGA

[ashen wedge]

I wouldn’t say Carch is smart, but like all dinosaurs, they are smart as they need to be to remain alive and reach adulthood to pass their genes down to a generation or two

[tough parcel]

Sorry Random, you didn't examine the material yourself! Please come back when you do! Otherwise I'll have to report you to Big GDI

[paper parcel]

Giga is peak, and pack hunters

[tough parcel]

This can be deduced by the many Giganotosaurus specimens we have

[paper parcel]

Could a sauropod survive in the Amazon or congo?

[craggy trench]

but falcon giga killed rex in Dominion intro and thats paleo accurate so its cleary the best dino ever

[green helm]

real guys

[paper parcel]

I am fish

[frosty cedar]

Jurassic Park 3 moment.

[green helm]

this is sooooo accurate guys fr fr

[tough parcel]

This is probably taking into account Dinosaur King's Spinosaurus

[paper parcel]

A fat one

[stiff osprey]

My favorite part about this is I've seen this image labeled Sarcosuchus, deinosuchus, and purussaurus

[craggy trench]

oh nooooo

[green helm]

yes because of the colors

[frosty cedar]

Humble Gustav

[stiff osprey]

Only true paleontologists know that those 3 are identical to each other except for the colors

[paper parcel]

Sarcosuchus is the walugi of crocodiles, same with quetzalcoatlus of pterosaurs

[green helm]

holy peak tho

[ashen wedge]

If this was the size, I will ask, what was the prey?

[green helm]

uhhh sauropods

[paper parcel]

Nah cotylorhynchus

[green helm]

it looks so cursed

[tough parcel]

Tbf that's extremely disproportionate

[green helm]

it looks like someone putted a young skeleton and a adult head to it

[frosty cedar]

It seems like giga is not always green.

[tough parcel]

Its head was still massive, but the body is also very large

[frosty cedar]

Wait nvm, it has greenish spots. I am still correct.

[ancient crystal]

Interesting, tell me more

[neat notch]

NEVER take this phrase out of context I beg of you 😭

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-now-gif-8259067036335066552

[paper parcel]

Quetzalcoatlus is taller but not as heavy as hatzegopteryx, kind of like the mane wolf

[neat notch]

Guys who wins, 6.10²³ of Spinosaurus glazers or Molag Bal

[paper parcel]

I love molag bal

[outer tusk]

What do we think of the JWA Erythosuchus design

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[tough parcel]

Both are bad

[outer tusk]

If you had to compare JWA Erytosuchus to any animal what would you say it's the closest to if not Erytosuchus

[tough parcel]

Some sort of butchered gorgonopsid or synapsid in general, Ig 😭

[stiff osprey]

something between a carnivorous moschops and that new poposauroid that was just described

[tough parcel]

Add...more...

[neat notch]

That's called "we are too lazy and greedy to commit to a scientifically accurate model, so instead we'll just slap an Inostrancevia one to this bag bisch"

Like Fukuiraptor having t-rex animations while being a megaraptoran

[outer tusk]

Found it

[paper parcel]

Molag bal is just a hybrid of moloch and baal in skyrim, If you know you know

[outer tusk]

Fukuiraptor has the dromaeosaurid rig animation not the large theropod rig

which is just as bad

[neat notch]

Basically a softcore Slaneesh with Khorne-y instances

[neat notch]

Mb, don't play that trash every since that happened 🙏

[paper parcel]

Neither, just like, the worst, more like malice

[earnest ruin]

2 out of the few fossils i own

Real Elasmosaurus tooth and Mosasaurus tail vertebrae

[paper parcel]

Free food

[neat notch]

Was the acquisition legit? Asking for my fish

[neat notch]

Don't know enough about 40k to know for certain

[zenith rose]

Would anyone be able to give me a visual image of the height difference between an average stego & deinocheirus comparison side by side?

I don’t trust myself to get the heights accurate to each other. If anyone’s kind enough to do that please give me an @ ^^

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-wtf-face-gif-3910649995586292876

[neat notch]

"huh"

[plush fossil]

Would've loved to see these two things irl

[hardy sentinel]

[green helm]

gosh these are so cursed

[plush fossil]

Never send those again im scared

[green helm]

rocket now feels threaten and violated by it....

[plush fossil]

Yes it's outside my house right now I think

[green helm]

hide somewhere!

[full lagoon]

Cotylorynchus is blessed

[charred hearth]

is it true megapirannha was mainly herbivorous?

[thorn grove]

do we know why erythrosuchus' head was so big?

[green helm]

well i dont know

[tough parcel]

@thorn grove @green helm It was not that large proportionately

[thorn grove]

oh so that one piece of artwork is just exaggerated

[tough parcel]

Significantly

[thorn grove]

that is unfortunate

[green helm]

well thats much better atleast

did you know that crocodiles can eat fruits?

[tough parcel]

Alligators are repeatedly recorded raiding watermelon farms, yes

[green helm]

never seen alligators do that but damn

[tough parcel]

Me when I'm a little thief

[craggy trench]

he wants a little treat
let him

[green helm]

hes been a good swamp puppy

[tough parcel]

The alligator gets a little watermelon

As a treat

[green helm]

now i demand to see a deinosuchus with a watermelon.

[paper parcel]

Was it smart enough to play doom?

[tough parcel]

Yea

[green helm]

what a happy boi

[runic heart]

Anything more about this new mammal?

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/big-ounce-gif-5451562560250916570

[full lagoon]

This is so interesting! I never would have thought they'd eat fruit.

Though it does make sense because it's one of the more fleshy and easily digestible types of plants.

[ashen wedge]

Looks like a groundhog plus a horn

[little mauve]

From The Biology and Evolution of Crocodylians by Grigg & Kirshner

[ancient crystal]

It reminds me of that one lystrosaurus art that is very clearly a hippo photoshopped into the shape of a lystrosaurus

[plush fossil]

I'd say it's pretty old, there's a dinosaur in the back

[hushed fossil]

Design reviews: Ark's Quetzalcoatlus

Good or nah?

[plush fossil]

I sent that before : ' )
I don't remember what was said tho

[sudden wind]

It sucks

[full lagoon]

In what respect are we supposed to be rating the design because it definitely sucks in terms of being realistic

[hushed fossil]

How well it represents the animal, how creative it is, something like that

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[full lagoon]

Isn't it humongous in the game?

[hushed fossil]

Yes

[sudden wind]

It has severe proportion issues: torso is too big, limbs too skinny, hand wrongly oriented, it is represented digitigrade and not plantigrade, wing proportion is completely off, tail is too long, head is too small, neck is perhaps too thick, skull is completely off

[jagged trellis]

the ingame model or the dos model
ingame has normal kaiju sizing
but weirdly hunched over and iirc some arm issues on thickness and bend

[hushed fossil]

It could be better if it wasn't hunched over like a bat ingame

[sudden wind]

Here are accurate Quetzalcoatlus reconstructions.

[full lagoon]

Aren't the ark species different from historical ones canonically

[sudden wind]

Yeah, ARK dinosaurs and creatures aren't meant to be accurate.

[hushed fossil]

More recent creatures have been better tho

[outer tusk]

nah

speaking of "Quetz" what was the pterosaur in WWD3D really suppose to be since the formation likely does houses referred quetz material?

[full lagoon]

I mean it looks like one?

[outer tusk]

yeah but also could be something else clearly given we almsot never have complete material of large pterosaur skulls

[full lagoon]

Didn't the show just call them pterosaurs? My best guess is that it's an indeterminate one based on quetzalcoatlus

[wraith jungle]

I refuse to call anything 100% accurate when they are only a bunch of fragementary bones

[outer tusk]

I mean it's hard to not make a good comp with relatives that are known from better materials

[runic heart]

Yes. That is how this paleontology thing works.

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[opaque kayak]

TBF nothing mesozoic is 100% accurate

At least from the remains we have now, even something like sue is subject to a lot of different reconstructions

[wind prairie]

100% accurate to our current knowledge

[charred hearth]

would it be smarter to use reptillian behavior or bird behavior for therapods? sometimes their protrayed more like reptile while other times their protrayed more like birds, what is your prefrenance?

[wind prairie]

I think it depends on how close it is to birds

[full lagoon]

It would have probably been it's own unique behavior tbh

I wouldn't doubt homosexuality in dinosaurs though, it's already pretty common in nature today

[wind prairie]

iirc the braincase of allosaurus is shaped a lot more like crocodiles than birds

[bright veldt]

A mix. There's some things consistent with both but 1-1 comparisons aren't really fair.

[charred hearth]

so a more derived therapod would probably be more birdlike?

[full lagoon]

There's no way to know for sure but possibly

[runic heart]

Probably a trait in species that have a leave a lot of unattended offspring, right? Benefits to take care of the orphans in a species.

[tough parcel]

Well...no

[full lagoon]

An added benefit that might occasionally happen I suppose

[charred hearth]

i dont think thats the case for peguins

[outer tusk]

any takers?

[charred hearth]

devianart autism figured it out

[scenic flame]

that isn't an excuse to say we know nothing though, or that Ark's quetz is fine accuracy wise

[charred hearth]

its relatives:

[balmy oyster]

So we have giant Alaskan pterosaurs?

[queen oar]

I think the Ark Quetz is sh-%#

Reminds me of those photos of Featherless Ostriches

[wind prairie]

friend

[queen oar]

inside

[charred hearth]

us

[wind prairie]

me

[charred hearth]

🙁

awe we could've had a theri

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-undertale-friend-inside-me-fim-friend-gif-6073552933086407631

[little mauve]

Yes the most derived paravian brains are most similar to the most basal avian brains

The elongate crocodylian brain is most similar to non-maniraptoran theropods

[runic heart]

Is there an Alaskan therizinosaur?

[charred hearth]

Yes

[runic heart]

What’s it called? If named.

[little mauve]

Ichnotaxon, unnamed

[wind prairie]

it's a footprint lol

[winter marsh]

couldnt this just be Cryodrakon

[zenith rose]

Could anyone fact check this for me?

I’m not trying to argue the point ankylosaurus is unable to defend itself, or that rex would win ever encounter (I doubt it would win even 10% of them) I just simply need to know if the osteoderm section of my blurb is correct

[balmy oyster]

I don’t think it was the holotype, but the “Dynamosaurus” specimen, which is why that specimen in particular used to be reconstructed with osteoderms when it was found

Though I only saw this from a conversation & idk how true it is, but I could ask around elsewhere if it’s not confirmed here

[zenith rose]

Ah hold on I may have mixed up my words there you’re right. It was the 1900 specimen so if that aligns then you’re certainly correct.

Asking around would be nice. I referenced the Canadian encyclopedia & a few paleo conversation threads as I couldn’t find a paper for the life of me

[stiff osprey]

It was probably scavenging, since if a rex had just killed an anky, it would have plenty of meat and would have no reason to eat osteoderms made of pure bone

If it really was swallowing osteoderms that suggests it had absolutely nothing else to eat

[zenith rose]

I’m under the impression it could also very likely have been a younger specimen, or an injured one, which could also push it into eating the bone. (Again I couldn’t find any papers to date and age the fossils) I dont see why it wouldn’t since the osteoderms grow In the skin rather in the skeleton itself…which could mean it ate it way through neck to belly and ate osteoderms on the way?

But not to disregard your point, I don’t disagree with that, I’m just trying to gauge as many viewpoints on this as I can

[stiff osprey]

I think both were adults, "Dynamosaurus" has a dentary and cervical verts similar in size to Sue's, and the anky osteoderms are average sized iirc

[queen oar]

Yeah, the Osteoderms were big. I believe they were the posterior lateral ones, hip or tail region

[zenith rose]

Okay perfect thank you! That’s what I was looking for. Answered both my questions in one.

If either of you have any notable papers to share on the topic I’d appreciate them being sent to me, if you’d be so kind!!

[charred hearth]

rate it

[small geyser]

Ummm. @marsh tapir

[tribal sandal]

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[runic heart]

No blood allowed?

[charred hearth]

you posted a woman who was mauled

[wind prairie]

tf??

ok I did NOT realize canadaga was that big wth??

[runic heart]

News post about someone who was mauled by a gang of river otters. I suppose I understand.

[fluid inlet]

Dizzy posted the new toro skeletal on their YouTube

[runic heart]

Hunchback of laramidia

[ionic crescent]

What if besides scavenging, eating the osteoderms were more like gastrolith usage?

[restive crag]

Incredibly liberal soft tissue and it couldn’t make this posture in-life but this is also a pretty good sense of scale

And that’s with a neck that’s fairly tucked in imagine how weird it would look with an outstretched neck

[stiff osprey]

We'd probably find more examples if it was the case, plus even in giant dinosaurs gastroliths aren't more than a few cm across

[wind prairie]

I mean that amount of soft tissue seems totally plausible
especially considering it may have lived in colder waters
(and like... maybe it could hold that pose for a second right??)

[ancient crystal]

Scavenging you say?

[charred hearth]

hes like the drake of paleontology.

[fluid inlet]

Siats?

[opaque kayak]

random big carch that apparently looks like a neovenator; apparently reaches 5-6 tons at largest (completion is not good tho)

[fluid inlet]

so new carcha , nice.

[charred hearth]

how long do you guys think large itchyosaurs were living for seeing how whales can live up to 200?

[opaque kayak]

kinda wish we did a histology on ichthyotitan material

[charred hearth]

whats that?

[sudden wind]

Well gay is not the word because it relates to human society norms and construction but same sex mating and raising pairs are a thing both observed in birds and crocodilians so I don't see why would dinosaurs have never gone through that.

[frank sluice]

how do we fix suchiominus and give it webbed feet and claws?

its also really weird that suchio doesnt use its arms to paddle while swimming

[balmy oyster]

I’d imagine you’re talking about PoT sucho but I got confused for a second

[wind prairie]

I think baryonychines, especially suchomimus, were less aquatic than other spinosaurs

[frank sluice]

even so, suchio doenst have webbed feet or hands in game, even though multiple fossiled tracks show that they infact did.

[wind prairie]

afaik only tracks of more derived spinosaurines show the webbed feet, but yeah idk
(also it's suchomimus not suchiomimus-)

[coral forge]

they also posted 11.7m sue

people in the comments are crying about how "anky got nerfed", "dizzy shrunk anky to make it easy rex food" and "even though its that small it could still 1 shot rex" 🥀

[tranquil quartz]

birb

[green helm]

sounds like its a thicc trex incoming get down!

[green helm]

honestly would make it probably more easier for it to hit it because of how big it is and the downsize making anky more agile and fast

[coral forge]

it isnt a downsize though
they oversized sue by 9.4% which makes anky look tiny by comparison

[green helm]

oh thats sue in the picture?

[coral forge]

yeah but they oversized it by an insane amount

they are insanely biased towards predators and always try to make them look like unstoppable monsters

[green helm]

trex fanboys be like

[outer tusk]

Sue could be oversized but not by much

[coral forge]

it has a 1500mm femur in the picture which is 9.4% oversized

[fossil ingot]

I mean Sue itself is 12.7m lol
But that won't change its Height
You need to edit the Tail to be Slighgly longer cause Randomdino's Sue(the sue you are using) has an Undersized Tail by Default and its 12.4m

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Regular Sue already makes Anky look small
And Sue its like 2x the Biggest Anky in weight

[primal drum]

is there a website where you can see the heights of dinosaurs?

[undone rapids]

Here's a nice one : https://www.facts.app/comparison

Just know that everything size related will vary based on who is reconstructing which specimen and how.

[coral forge]

afaik no, but some skeletal artists like randomdinos and franoys will often put the height and length of the animal in their diagram.
If there's no measurements given you can use the scalebar to see how tall it is

[astral spindle]

Over 2x, isn't anky like only 4.8 tonnes? And Sue is 11.1 tonnes now.

[coral forge]

why did this message only appear after I sent my message despite being sent 5 minutes earlier 🥀

[fossil ingot]

Randoms Sue is 3.9m tall at the Hip and 12.4m Long
However Tail is undersized and should be 12.7m

@astral spindle Biggest Anky is about 5.1t
And Sue is 10.9-11t with Random's updated Sue

[astral spindle]

Ye with the thicker thighs

[coral forge]

biggest anky is like 5t but smaller ones are around 3-4 so even average rex would be more than double the size of most ankies

[fossil ingot]

Main reason of Weight Change is tail been undersized and that more soft tissue was added on overall all the body

[full lagoon]

Being that much shorter honestly seems like it could be advantageous at the same time

[last adder]

It'd honestly be awkward for a trex to reach one while standing up

[fossil ingot]

Its an Advantage
Thats why the family is built like that
But is not impossible either

[last adder]

Staying close to/beneath the predator so they can't get proper bites would be incredibly effective and annoying to deal with

[tough parcel]

Until the T.rex pulls out the extendo-arms…

[primal drum]

thank you

[coral forge]

Didnt some of them also have counter shading for camouflage or am I thinking of something else

[coral forge]

Ankylosaurus when the Tricerankylostegogigatherispinosaurus mamenchiensis pulls up

[queen oar]

Pretty sure Anky got bigger than that

[fossil ingot]

+7t comes from Fadeno scale Bars moment

Still chunk lads

Fadeno Anky tho....

[coral forge]

Every anky post i see on reddit says CMN 8880 is 8t
How dense would that even be lol

[fossil ingot]

Is not even dense
They are using Fadeno's CMN 8880, Which as you can see
Its 9t

[coral forge]

ngl its a shame so many of fadeno's skeletals are oversized
they look so cool

[fossil ingot]

His Old Style was cool yeah
However 12-18t Para...

[coral forge]

70t baro
16t deino

[fossil ingot]

His Deino was 14t with TMM( Which now is 4.7t)

But his newest CM 963 has better proportions than the old one
But the size....

But hey
Its an Upgrade

[queen oar]

Well, I wished any of them upgraded the skulls.

[outer tusk]

Lake Placid ah

[thorn grove]

It’s not cuz of Fadeno it’s because Wikipedia uses Arbor and Mallon 2018 and both the paper and the article are written in a weird way that kind of obfuscates that that’s an upper estimate for a fragmentary specimen

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Random's has the best skull of the 3
Thats what having 3D Scans help

[thorn grove]

Plus redditors are often just far more willing to take upper estimates for herbivores as if it’s an average size I.E. the whole Edmusthosaurus saga