paleontology

[compact leaf]

something like jobaria or shunosaurus is more generic

[plush fossil]

Would feathered dinosaurs or pterosaurs have fluffed their feathers up like birds do when they're cold? Or is there no way of knowing? Just thought this would be interesting to ask : )

[hardy sentinel]

No way of knowing

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/YutyTyrant/status/1977082797237190989

🎃 Spooky Kia 🎃; 🏳️‍🌈 Chaos Theory S4 Hype (@YutyTyr...

🦖 Daily Paleo 🦖; Brontotholus harmoni

From Late Cretaceous Two Medicine Formation, USA, "Thunder Dome" (Ace name!) is a newly described pachycephalosaur and the 3rd largest known. It's not closely related to either Stegoceras nor Pachycephalosaurus, suggesting more diversity

X · Oct 11, 2025, 6:44 PM

[full lagoon]

I'm ngl I like a lot of the things they've done in this series

Dinosaurs are portrayed at least slightly better than some of the movies. I'm not 100% sure what this person means relating to the therizinosaurus though.

[stiff osprey]

How do these kids show up in every place on the planet where a dinosaur attack happens bruh

[charred hearth]

do you think they'll go to rebirth island next

[full lagoon]

That would be a bizzare thing to make them do

[stiff osprey]

I think the CC/CT creators got mad at the franchise because of rebirth's dogshit retcons so they probably won't be going there

[charred hearth]

what were the retcons again?

[stiff osprey]

dinosaurs die instantly if they walk outside the equator so every dinosaur that got released into the mainland is dead

gareth edwards gave bumpy and smoothie horrific deaths of disease offscreen

[charred hearth]

WHAT?

[sterile trail]

So how did they survive for four years from FK to Dominion?

[stiff osprey]

that's what it says in the opening of rebirth, every dinosaur outside the equator gets sick and dies
smoothie was in italy and idk about bumpy but i think she showed up in texas at some point? so both are dead now

[charred hearth]

surely, they can retcon that retcon and just say that while majority died, small populations were resilentant and survived right?

[stiff osprey]

of course the more likely option is that chaos theory will ignore that dogshit retcon and have them alive anyway

[sterile trail]

Also, what the hell were the Spinosaurus doing in Rebirth?

[charred hearth]

being pets to the mosasaurus

[sterile trail]

I mean why where they even there?

[full lagoon]

Literally a terrible decision with zero thought into consequences

I like the idea of dinosaurs struggling in certain areas though, because they realistically would.

[charred hearth]

why hasnt that clone girl died if shes the same as the dinosaurs? she lives in north californa...

[sterile trail]

Real

[stiff osprey]

i think i read a fanfic once where that happens

[full lagoon]

It's not because they are clones, it's because they are dinosaurs. I'm assuming certain species couldn't adapt to modern environments.

[sterile trail]

At least the Spinos in Rebirth are paleoaccurate-ish

[full lagoon]

Tbf the scene with an apatosaurus in the snow during dominion was absolutely stupid and I kinda understand why they'd be more harsh in that regard

[charred hearth]

do you guys think Maisie Lockwood was justified in releasing all of the dinosaurs and not letting them get gassed?

[full lagoon]

I probably would have done the same thing but uh no due to the disastrous consequences it could have

[stiff osprey]

i too would have done the same but probably claire and owen would be prosecuted for letting her do that

[undone rapids]

They could just say they tried to stop her but Raptor DNA within her awakened and she got too strong

[charred hearth]

damn

[full lagoon]

Jokes aside pretty sure she's literally just a human, simply cloned

[balmy oyster]

Yes because I would’ve thought dominion would have been a good movie

[opaque kayak]

JW rebirth cast be like:

[full lagoon]

Bro dominion had SO MUCH POTENTIAL and we just got garbage

[charred hearth]

:/

[balmy oyster]

All they had to do was give us dinosaurs fighting.

We got oversized bugs instead.

[full lagoon]

Not to mention the fact that they could've tried to accurately portray the conflicts that would arise with dinosaurs in our world, including real human conflicts.

[charred hearth]

this could've been stopped if they executed henry wu and prevented him from doing all the things he did

[full lagoon]

I'm gonna be honest the dinosaurs are probably going to be in trouble in our world regardless

They'd probably be wiped out pretty quickly for a variety of reasons

[balmy oyster]

Well Dominion was so buns rebirth had to canonically make them all die from a little bit of winter

[ancient crystal]

Counter point, they're heavily genetically engineered and probably would've had no issue with modern climates, atmospheres, diseases, etc.

[stiff osprey]

mostly because in FK there were at most like 40 of them

somehow they exploded in numbers enough that the entire US is inhabited by dinosaurs by the time of chaos theory

[charred hearth]

rexy is probably one of the oldest rex's as shes 37

[full lagoon]

This also does need to be considered for sure, as most definitely have modern animal DNA, definitely including modern mammals. Though this wasn't my main argument for them struggling.

[balmy oyster]

They would struggle because rednecks would trophy hunt all of them

[charred hearth]

I HATE TROPHY HUNTERS.

[stiff osprey]

yeah the primary reason they would go extinct is because they were released in america where the average citizen owns 73 firearms and there's only like two dozen of them

[full lagoon]

Not to mention the world can barely sustain its current megafauna due to human activities

[stiff osprey]

that apato in rebirth would have gotten sniped for blocking the road for 3 seconds instead of them just waiting for it to die of made up disease

[full lagoon]

The JW dinosaurs are canonically known to reproduce quickly, which is probably the main reason for their survival, not to mention growth rates (just look at bumpy)

[stiff osprey]

okay if we're taking bumpy's growth rate as canon dinosaurs would indeed destroy the entire north american ecosphere within a few years

[full lagoon]

It's already on its knees compared to what it was a few thousand years ago lmao

[charred hearth]

dimorphodon found dead in a ditch

have dimorphos been seen in any film besides jw??

[fierce quarry]

Dominion

[compact leaf]

go back even a couple hundred and it’s almost unrecognizable

[charred hearth]

this is a really interesting behavior im glad they showed in walking with beasts https://x.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1976917188620550595

Nature is Amazing ☘️ (@AMAZlNGNATURE)

This crow has allowed itself to be covered in ants

Birds engage in a fascinating behaviour called anting, where they rub insects, especially ants, on their feathers and skin. This can be done actively by picking up insects and applying them to their body or passively by lying

X · Oct 11, 2025, 7:46 AM

[paper parcel]

Yew trees existed in the cretaceous, the berries are edible, minus the seeds and the rest of the tree is super toxic

[foggy crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-face-the-office-disturbed-disturbing-wtf-gif-7483778

[river plinth]

Every dino design was purposely mid to in that movie

[full lagoon]

really seems like it tbh

[river plinth]

Fun fact the giga wasn't even designed off giganotosaurus
It was based off concavinator 💀😭

[full lagoon]

First seeing it i thought it was like a weird looking acrocanthosaurus

[foggy crypt]

More who are these fellas? It's not a game, I genuinely have never heard of these creatures and they're popping up like unnecessary reboot shows, no offense, to the dinos lol.

[full lagoon]

Second one is a very fragmentary and likely dubious spinosaurid discovered a while back

[foggy crypt]

And amp?

[full lagoon]

A kind of titanosaur that we have known for quite a while

[river plinth]

Imagine if are spino was dubious

[foggy crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

Live paleotologiet reaction to spino being a fake creature all along(it's a chimera of sauropods, rexes, and hadros.)

[stiff osprey]

camarilla's not that bad it got a redescription like a week ago

[ancient crystal]

The extreme conclusion to the rex v spino discourse, spino ceasing to exist

[river plinth]

😂

[outer tusk]

why is Camarillasaurus just Dan's Baryonyx 😭

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[outer tusk]

this one is also good

[charred hearth]

giga when it realizes its next to fight rex:

[zealous ravine]

Cause it was made before the new material when we thought it looked like that lol

[charred hearth]

what would theroretically be louder, a large lambeosaurine or like a large sauropod? lets use para and apato for this example

[charred hearth]

gastornis isnt a terror bird anymore?

[zealous ravine]

iirc it's a duck

[velvet burrow]

Does anyone have the sizes of the carcharodontosaurian remains described in Australia this year?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2024.2441903?scroll=top&needAccess=true

[balmy oyster]

It’s not

Material is too small within the silhouette

[sly viper]

Yall acting like id let dinosaurs come back smh

[zealous ravine]

I'm prolly biased cause I made the other one lol but I agree with fishy that that one isn't great, the femur's really undersized so it ends up with shorter legs than it should have

[coral forge]

pretty sure its a type of fowl now

went from being one of the most dangerous apex predators in the americas to its closest relatives being chickens and ducks

[plush fossil]

Chickens can be very scary

[manic grail]

They're less scary since i have heard that they can be eaten raw

[lavish frigate]

Why would you not

[sudden wind]

They are edible????

[coral forge]

chicken sushi is my favourite food
some guy called Sam O'Nella doesn't like when I eat it though

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-o-nella-gif-20290213

[compact leaf]

technically yes the aril is edible, but there’s so little of it and the seed is so toxic it isn’t really worth it

[little mauve]

depends on what you mean by louder. Standing next to it covering your ears while it full blast bellows, possibly the sauropod mostly because it's so much bigger. Ability to transmit sound over long distances though, possibly the lambeosaur

most of the inner ears we find for big dinosaurs suggests they were adapted more towards to low frequency end of the sound spectrum, which can be more felt than heard in some cases

[sudden wind]

They are so slimmy I use them to rage bait friends and that's it

[little mauve]

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.20984 is a good paper that gets into the brain and inner ear anatomy of lambeosaurs with implications for crest function and hearing (and by extension sound making)

[ancient crystal]

There's nothing people in this chat love more than ragebaiting

[manic grail]

Jurassic world dominion showed us that giga is stronger

[paper parcel]

The tree has seen humanity's creation and crimes for a thousand centuries, it just acts accordingly

[charred hearth]

so sauropods may be louder but the noise of a lambeosaurine would spread farther?

[little mauve]

Whichever could produce lower frequencies could transmit sound further but it isn't "louder" per se

Both probably could communicate with LF sound, the sauropod might be better due to sheer size but lambeosaurs do show potentially some adaptations for hearing and producing it

[fluid inlet]

What’s that

[charred hearth]

how ethical is this? https://x.com/SealDev2/status/1977232378578821613

SealDev (@SealDev2)

X · Oct 12, 2025, 4:38 AM

[ancient crystal]

Worse than sea world

[charred hearth]

really?

[frosty cedar]

I love paleontology so much.

[opaque kayak]

She's a rescue, so she would have died anyways without him, and can't go back to the wild, since she doesn't hunt by herself. Given the circumstances, this is basically a pet as any other.

[paper parcel]

I mean, they are sea canines

[charred hearth]

also i thought seaworld got alot more ethical

[paper parcel]

Never forget

[charred hearth]

will you elaborate or

[stiff osprey]

i mean seaworld stopped breeding orcas so they're not subjecting any new animals to horrific psychological suffering

...just the ones that are already there

[charred hearth]

how do they get new orcas then??

[stiff osprey]

they don't, once the existing ones die the program ends

or they get replaced with other species idk

[charred hearth]

thats incredibley sad

[paper parcel]

Never forgive

[opaque kayak]

Never Sleep

[foggy river]

cetacean parks are a contentious issue
but that said
for its history, flaws, and controversy,
maintaining status quo for cetaceans is probably the best they'll get

wild release has a terrible track record
no viable sanctuaries currently exist
euthanasia is unreasonable
prolly not wholly on the topic of paleo but

extinct cetacea are pretty bonkers
why he shape like this

[craggy trench]

fat

[opaque kayak]

NGL looks quite a lot like a pilot whale

[foggy river]

they are related
im just impresssed by how honka their melons seem to be

[small geyser]

Just chonkier and the melons are bigger.

[neat notch]

Guys could Deinosuchus realistically live in South American waters too?

And what abt Sarcosuchus?

[stiff osprey]

Sarcosuchus did live in South America, Deinosuchus did not

Specifically Sarcosuchus hartti which is a smaller species from brazil

[ashen wedge]

What did I miss?

[neat notch]

Could they migrate tho?

[stiff osprey]

from north america to south? no, they couldn't cross oceans

[neat notch]

'Kay, much appreciated 👍

[plush fossil]

Why is concavenator portrayed as semi-aquatic alot? Was it actually? Or is it just a fun little thing people add to it

[stiff osprey]

just for the funny

[plush fossil]

Ooh I see, thanks : )

[little mauve]

I'm not so sure, the genus is found on both sides of the WIS. If C. acutus can have a broadly neotropical distribution why not deinosuchus?

[short bane]

Anyone know any discords for paleontology stuff, I want accurate estimates and as much info on acrocanthosaurus as possible lmao

[charred hearth]

thoughts? https://x.com/ApexPredator227/status/1977428450014359638

Xenomorph XX121 (@ApexPredator227)

Old artwork of a jaguar in North America preying on adult bison. African lioness and Bengal tigress can kill adult buffalo, and male jaguar are in the same size range as a lioness or tigress, so there’s no reason to believe why a male jaguar couldn’t do the same.

X · Oct 12, 2025, 5:37 PM

[stiff osprey]

I can think of many reasons it'd be easier to cross the WIS east/west than cross the Atlantic north/south, but with how little i know of campanian geography, i can't really confirm any of them

Either way, the Deinos on either side of the seaway were different species (Cosette et al even recently proposed different genera, but that didn't stick), so safe to say they weren't doing a lot of migrating between them

[little mauve]

I think the layout of Central America isn't particularly well defined for that time but I'm pretty sure it's similar enough to the present to facilitate mostly coastal travel and not open ocean, though crocs can handle that too in the right conditions

[stiff osprey]

Maybe they moved down to SA near the end of the campanian, since land animals start crossing around then i think

though by that point i doubt they'd be maintaining gene flow with things as north as judith river

[little mauve]

Oh yeah they'd be distinct populations probably on the way to speciation, but we have possible deinosuchus as far south as Mexico. Seems plausible to me there could have been populations even further south, especially with the faunal exchange happening around then

[balmy oyster]

I’d argue modern day cetaceans look even more bizarre

[foggy river]

true
theyre all a bit funkie

[lavish frigate]

I like that there’s people online who actually believe this, because by this logic if you put a random guy in the ring with a 90 year old gramma and he beats her up he’s super strong

[fluid inlet]

You could start with Matt Dempsey https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/brv.70026

[short bane]

Acc one of the first things I looked at

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/akward-stare-emoji-awkward-awkward-emoji-stare-awkward-emoji-gif-12282550165938750082

[short bane]

If there's any more you got for acro then feel free to send it my way

One question tho, would the 3 foot tibia found be considered large, asked the InTeRnEt and it said it'd be about Matthew Dempseys estimated size, but I'm not exactly gonna trust ai on it lmao

[tough parcel]

@stiff osprey actually scaled it

[short bane]

That a response to me or nah? Js making sure lmao

[neat notch]

Jaguars have different killing tactics that of lions, as well as prey's size preference. Jaguars are more used to prey roughly the same size as it, and they usually go for the head in search of the braincase (bisons be thicc as f). Lions go for asphyxiation on large prey

[tough parcel]

Yuh, they did an Acro scaling a while ago

[short bane]

Scaling the tibia found in 2023?

[stiff osprey]

where is this 3 foot tibia cited?

[charred hearth]

then why would this old photo be drawn? they must've based it off of something, no? because im pretty sure jaguars use to run into bison before we hunted all of them

[neat notch]

Ofc, sometimes even livestock enters the menu, but it's usually calves or old and sick individuals

[ancient crystal]

Clearly they were demonstrating a hypothetical, where a leopard uses its felid cunning to defeat a slow dull bovine

[short bane]

Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission, Department of Parks and Recreation, Prince George’s County

[neat notch]

Pardon me, I was referring to the South American Jaguar. I know little to nothing abt NA ones

[manic grail]

i eat jaguars

[short bane]

Copied from the website I saw it on

[neat notch]

That's also probable

[charred hearth]

theres american jaguars??

[ancient crystal]

Well, there aren't south american bison so

[short bane]

I was trying to find frans tibia size but wasn't able to, wanted to compare the two to see if it was decently large or not

[stiff osprey]

a 3 foot tibia scales to about 34 feet, which is in no way record breaking but still cool

[short bane]

I searched it up and it said 36-38, so it was decently close but a tad too large

[wind prairie]

used to be as recently as the 1700s iirc, in fact there were several subspecies of them in the pleistocene
I think they still even show up in Arizona now from time to time

[neat notch]

Everyone calls them that until they feel a horn inside their lungs that wasn't there a sec ago

[short bane]

I really want more acrocanthosaurus discoveries, I love acro lmao, the more I get to know about it the better

[short bane]

Tbh I was surprised when I found out acro had a 16k newtons bite, it's 8k lower than carch I think, surprised me that it was THAT much lower than carch, especially with the newer 8 ton estimate, which I've seen many people aren't a fan of

[charred hearth]

oddly, i just saw a image with a sub adult jaguar with a giant bull it killed

[stiff osprey]

well, even if it was 8 tons, it would still have a much smaller skull than Carcharodontosaurus (130cm vs 160cm)

[neat notch]

Acro is the closest thing we could get if a Deviljho was made (more) paleoaccurated

[manic grail]

carch is built different

[short bane]

True, but i still didn't expect a 8k newtons difference

[opaque kayak]

TBF that is almost twice the size difference in volume

[short bane]

I might be slow, but what is Deviljho lol, I NEED more acrocanthosaurus discoveries, I'm tweaking

[neat notch]

We be putting dinos in liquids now

[charred hearth]

is it true a juvie rex has the same bite force as acro?

[short bane]

Apparently it's like 6k newtons, so it's not

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-26529362

[charred hearth]

do you use psi or newtons?

[neat notch]

Hold on, I'll be back

[short bane]

Huh, alr

[charred hearth]

because in psi, orca's have a stronger bite force then rex, while in newton its the other way around

[neat notch]

It's a videogame enemy, from Monster Hunter

[short bane]

Gawd dayum he chunky

[neat notch]

It's ALL MUSCLE. Bro's so rrrrrrrriped that, when enraged, it's skin tears apart by the swollen muscles underneath

[winter marsh]

big pickle

[neat notch]

Everytime I look at him, I'm remembered of Acro, cause the dorsal muscles

[short bane]

Final time ima ask this today lol, anyone got any acro papers or discords where I'm able to get ahold of information on acrocanthosaurus?

[neat notch]

Vividen might be able to help ya

[short bane]

Idk any videos he has that talk about acro, I looked, didn't find one

[neat notch]

That was my last piece of light on the topic m8, sorry

[short bane]

All good lol

[ancient crystal]

Don't use psi

[stiff osprey]

there are some problems with the measurements for all of them (mainly leg lengths) but these are the main papers you'd need to make an acro reconstruction

[short bane]

Tyyyy

[warm saddle]

Use newton, PSI is kinda uh bad way to messure power /force tmk

[ancient crystal]

Me pushing a pin through a piece of cardboard probably has a higher psi than a tyrannosaurus bite.

[ashen wedge]

Nah

[charred hearth]

would you eat this endargered trilobite? https://x.com/TMtheEQplusNerd/status/1976968622070546808

Tangmo Mopet (@TMtheEQplusNerd)

Trilobite ice cream sold at Thainosaur exhibition

X · Oct 11, 2025, 11:10 AM

[warm saddle]

What flavour

[charred hearth]

trilobite

[warm saddle]

If the base is chocolate it could either be really good or pretty bad

[wind prairie]

idk if jho is really comparable to acro because of that lol

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/gunsnrosesgirl3/status/1977264443017904473?s=46

Science girl posting A.i … we cooked.

Science girl (@gunsnrosesgirl3)

Curious cougar gets startled by a moving Halloween witch decoration

X · Oct 12, 2025, 6:45 AM

[warped peak]

Rats having a bite of 20 000 PSI

[full lagoon]

Small animals appear to be much more adept at performing proportionally absurd feats, as animals like finches and parrots have a bite force that is proportionately up to 30x stronger than a tyrannosaurus

[full lagoon]

Also I wanted to mention that measuring the bite force of a small rodent in PSI is more like me measuring my weight in pounds per yard. Heavily bloated and inaccurate. (Not to say they don't still have incredible bites for their size however)

[warped peak]

This is a comment on how PSI is a useless unit for biomechanics

[full lagoon]

Basically

In reality they bite with around the a force of a pound, which is still incredibly impressive given their size.

[charred hearth]

is this why i omly ever see dunk's in large tanks with whale sharks and such? https://x.com/CorporalRex/status/1977437126330552323

Colonel Hammer🦍🦖 (@CorporalRex)

“We HIGHLY recommend keeping Miniature Dunkleosteus in their own tank or with larger animals. These miniature carnivores will almost always attempt to eat any tankmates that are smaller than themselves." Art and Worldbuilding by Clanaghan

X · Oct 12, 2025, 6:12 PM

[eager current]

I love pickle jho

[neat notch]

Just my mh hyperfocus kicking in, ignore it please

[neat notch]

everyone loves him
from afar ofc

[eager current]

Monster hunter is love, monster hunter is life. I like to feed jho little midfight treats.

[neat notch]

He deserves it, the hard worker
But I feel we should stay on topic here. Dm me for moar mh if u want

Lest those-who-shall-not-be-named will be summoned

Anyways how long were Maip's claws?

[balmy oyster]

Clay and dirt

[warm saddle]

Limestone?..rock?..gravell?..dust?

[wind prairie]

we don't have them

[coral forge]

pretty sure psi is force to area ratio whereas newtons are just overall force

never use psi to determine overall bite force because if you do, a rat will have a bite force of 165 million newtons

[charred hearth]

thoughts? https://x.com/paleobyliam/status/1977483499910189129

Liam Elward Paleoart 🇵🇸 (@paleobyliam)

Rough sketch of a Shunosaurus tail club functioning as an anchor for simple display filaments. Inspired by African crowned cranes.
#paleoart

X · Oct 12, 2025, 9:16 PM

[fluid inlet]

Way too frail

[zealous ravine]

??? What does that have to do with the speculation?

[sly viper]

Unfrail it

[balmy oyster]

If it’s too frail to have a bunch of feathers what makes you think it’s strong enough to be used as a club 💀

[fluid inlet]

What are you yapping about

[balmy oyster]

h

[coral forge]

does anyone know any up to date places I can find the number of mammals and reptiles from hell creek?

[static widget]

Thats.... not how units work?

[opaque kayak]

In kgs, I am heavier then you, but in pounds, you are heavier then me

[ancient crystal]

The units aren't correlated so it does in this case

It's not like pounds vs kilograms, its like kilograms vs feet

[full lagoon]

Feels like it would largely undermine the potential defensive capabilities of the tail club. I'd assume a sauropod could simply have filaments on their tails regardless of a round anchor point.

What's the point of having a hard bony club if it's going to be covered in something that mitigates against the force output by it?

[outer tusk]

it's just for mating purpose

[full lagoon]

Yeah because that's all any of the herbivorous dinosaur species specialized into doing 🤓☝️🧠

[outer tusk]

yes he gets it!

[full lagoon]

What the hell are multipurpose structures?! It's not like almost all animals alive today have structures or appendages useful in several aspects of their lives?!

[jagged trellis]

the real use of triceratops horns: to flirt like red eared sliders trust

[ancient crystal]

Guys, triceratops obviously shed its frill every winter like modern deer, and most of the time looked like this

[jagged trellis]

*some winters
if the donation bin is alittle empty that year they will
otherwise saved for special uses

[fierce quarry]

Triceratops, Camp Cretaceous edition

[peak mesa]

nah my tric bald

[charred hearth]

what does this even mean

[static widget]

Gotcha mb, forgot psi is a weird measurement

[charred hearth]

is this true about tyrannosaurids?

[coral forge]

stegosaurids also did this

[full lagoon]

It's honestly not even as excessively smooth as certain tyrannosaur reconstructions. The scales are small but definitely still visible, and I think it looks nice.

I think the biggest reason for division in terms of JWE games is that some look more realistic while others look more stylized. Luckily, frontier varieties are seemingly returning to allow more consistency based on what you prefer.

[neat notch]

Bro that's just a bull

Put sum ears and that's it lol

[coral forge]

tyrannosaur scales are minescule but idk about looking smooth
albertosaurus scales were less than half a centimetre in diameter which is quite small so mabye

they have smaller scales compared to their body than most snakes which look very smooth unless you look closely

[neat notch]

Does any group of modern birds have something that looks like scales or smt?

(Not mentioning feathers)

[full lagoon]

Their feet and some species's legs.

[coral forge]

almost all birds have scaley feet
cassowaries and most waders (herons, flamingos ect.) have almost entirely scaley legs

would megaraptorans be likely to have feathers or would they be too big and live in too warm environments for them

[lofty creek]

saurus

[full lagoon]

Feathers can work well for both forms of thermoregulation, but I'm not sure if they would need them.

[neat notch]

Well, there's the Cubic Square law
So prob not, since some of them lived in humid environments

[coral forge]

actually yeah mabye i should specify dense feathering like on yuty and ornithomimosaurs

[full lagoon]

I wouldn't think that would be advantageous or even practical

[paper parcel]

Thats so cursed.

[manic grail]

its not shedding, its balding

[coral forge]

true
I was just wondering because DB is making a tratayenia (8 meter 1 ton megaraptor) mod and are giving it feathers to make it "scientifically accurate", but it just felt wrong to give a megaraptor feathers, especially if it lived in an arid environment

[neat notch]

With that said, maybe smaller species would have some kind of insulation, like Aeosteon

[neat notch]

Arid environments tend to get quite cold at night time

[coral forge]

true but that doesnt really matter if you die of heatstroke before midday

[neat notch]

Be nocturnal, or crepuscular even

[coral forge]

still gonna overheat during the day

[neat notch]

Nah, shade comfy

[full lagoon]

I will say that ratites exist so maybe smaller species could have it.

[coral forge]

being in the shade doesn't automatically mean you can't overheat

[neat notch]

And we're talking about arid environments, not desertic ones

[neat notch]

It doesn't, but helps a lot. Maybe they dug burrows to escape the heat (big claws and all that)

[full lagoon]

Digging creatures usually have distinct claws that hint at it though, but who knows

[coral forge]

it would have been similar to places like the sonoran desert, the sahel and inland spain, which are pretty damn hot even in the shade

[neat notch]

Monitor lizards doesn't necessarily have specially adapted paws to dig, and yet they do anyways
But yeah, only time travelers would know

[coral forge]

difference is monitor lizards have a body structure that makes it easy to burrow and arent 2 meter tall megaraptors
(megaraptors fit 1/6 of the required adaptations for effective burrowing)

[jagged trellis]

ah yes db, with the walmart giga and kaiju ed
known for their accuracy
( hal might be good but even then)

[coral forge]

they are actually getting better
their zhucheng tlc looks pretty good

[outer tusk]

what does it look like

[coral forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067567232105848883/1426706298648526859/SPOILER_PathOfTitans_-_Unrea_1426705404158541824.mp4?ex=68ee2d88&is=68ecdc08&hm=91fad0403c08ad898236cb66f3ed2d5cfbf5e44e3f72d8ccd3ce7e929be0e876&

[outer tusk]

OMG TYRANNOSAURUS MAGNUS!!!!

[coral forge]

they also made edmont a bipedal runner iirc (literally the only good thing about that mod)

[neat notch]

Crouching? Burrows aren't supposed to be that spacious for survivability motives

[coral forge]

large theropods wouldn't be able to crouch particularly well afaik

[stiff osprey]

monitor claws are better adapted to dig than megaraptoran claws; they also don't use their claws for hunting, so it wouldn't be an issue for them if the claws are dulled from digging into the ground

[neat notch]

Resharpen them on trees? (The whole conversation is getting a lil too much hypothetical)

[coral forge]

random while youre here do you know where I can find out how many mammals and reptiles were from hell creek? The only sources I can find are 20+ years old and either include 50 billion invalid taxons or just leave a bunch of stuff out

[stiff osprey]

well the invalid things part is kind of inevitable but afaik the wikipedia page for the hell creek paleobiota is complete

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Visceral9000/status/1977509157608538250

🦎Visceral🪶 (Tomistoma enjoyer🐊) (@Visceral9000)

Plesiosaurs during the Cenomanian/Turonian: Finally I have the Seven Seas all to myself after those dastardly Icthyosaurs and Pliosaurs finally kicked the bucket!

Meanwhile some devious lizards getting too confident in the water

X · Oct 12, 2025, 10:58 PM

[neat notch]

Don't know if it's true, but I heard that Komodo's are supposedly island dwarfs

[coral forge]

i was using the wikipedia page but it includes dakotaraptor, tatankaceratops and stygimoloch as valid genra which makes me doubt a lot of the rest and its for a school project and my teacher HATES wikipedia

but like the only other sources I can find are from 2002 and some time before 1975 so its probably my best bet anyway

[stiff osprey]

you can try the paleobiology database navigator but i generally find it to be slower than using wikipedia while being equally prone to error

[coral forge]

I'll try
I'm only looking for the amount of species, not names and stuff
like X amount of dinosaurs, X amount of other reptiles and X amount of mammals

[ancient crystal]

Forget paleofauna, what lives in the hell creek formation now?

[coral forge]

not much probably

[manic grail]

me

[stiff osprey]

vividen

[thorn grove]

a mysterious species called "Montanans"

[ancient crystal]

Terrifying

[ancient crystal]

I think they should be called Montanlings

[balmy oyster]

Stygi is fine, there probably is some big raptor that can fit Dakota

Tatanka is funny idk why that’s valid

[coral forge]

isn't stygi P. Spinifer now and not its own genus?

[balmy oyster]

Well it’s still real

[coral forge]

yeah but it isn't stygimoloch

[balmy oyster]

Okay…?
It’s still real.

[stiff osprey]

if it is a genus or not doesn't really matter in any biological sense because spinifer is a different animal that probably was genetically different and couldn't reproduce with p.wyomingensis regardless

[coral forge]

ik but the fact that they include outdated information like that is still valid reason to be skeptical of some of the other information stated

[balmy oyster]

You miss the point somehow because you’re trying too hard to look smart

Incredible

[coral forge]

how am I trying to look smart?
I fail to understand how 3 pieces of misinformation making me skeptical of the rest of the information is me "trying too hard to look smart"

[balmy oyster]

It’s the exact same as calling hallorum seismosaurus & majungasaurus majungatholus

They don’t go by those names anymore but everyone knows what you’re talking about. Especially when the conversation is “yeah that thing is now valid”

[coral forge]

so saying that an invalid genus is invalid means im trying to put up an act to look smart?

[balmy oyster]

You can either go “yeah this is true! It’s now a pachy species though” but instead you went “erm achtually it’s P. spinifer 🤓 I can’t BELIEVE you would spread misinformation online, I am now FOREVER skeptical of you.”

We get it man, some people want to look smart—point proven for it being a pachy species…point not proven for intelligence….

[coral forge]

I literally never said that
I said that because the article has multiple pieces of misinformation, how am I to know the rest isn't misinformation

[charred hearth]

why we beefing

[coral forge]

idk fishy thinks im an idiot for not trusting a site that has multiple pieces of misinformation or smth

[balmy oyster]

“Erm achtually” moment

[balmy oyster]

You don’t need a shady article to understand fossil patterns and to be able to figure out if there may be a secret second thing that differs from the first thing

Glupitto jumpscare

[coral forge]

I think you're completely misunderstanding what I am trying to say.

My point was "if I have been told misinformation by this site multiple times, how am I supposed to trust everything else on the site"

NOT

"erm actually fishy you're wrong stygimoloch isn't valid ☝️ 🤓 "
stygimoloch has nothing to do with anything, I was literally just using the fact that the article says that its valid as an example of misinformation in yhe article

[balmy oyster]

Ain’t reading allat 🤣 (jk)

Also next time go with “this article sucks” instead of trying to ram heads with me

[full lagoon]

Paleontologists be finding stuff like this only for Paleo fans to glaze it like crazy

[coral forge]

Im not trying to ram heads with anyone. If anything you are considering you came in guns blazing calling me an idiot for asking a genuine question
Of course I'm not as smart as most of the people here. Why do you think im asking so many questions so often? I come here to learn not to be insulted for no reason

[full lagoon]

Honestly tbh

[balmy oyster]

Thank goodness no one has found out about the Chinese carcha

[balmy oyster]

ok then next time go “well true it is its own thing” and not “YOU’RE WRONG. IT’S NOT STYGI. THIS ARTICLE that I didn’t mention previously too clearly IS WRONG.”

[coral forge]

-# your first message was literally replying to me talking about the article in full clarity

[balmy oyster]

WHAT ARTICLE

[full lagoon]

Imo, if it's literally one or two bones, I don't really pay a specimen much mind because all we can do is make incredibly generalized and possibly inaccurate assumptions.

[coral forge]

read my message and the message i was replying to before it that you completely ignored

[balmy oyster]

you mean this? Don’t remember seeing the bottom section when I replied.

[dreamy lance]

Gentle reminder to remain polite and respectful in this chat, and to not antagonize other users.

[coral forge]

that and random's message I was replying to

[balmy oyster]

Very fair take. It’s also why fragmentary things at a big size always get skewed results, and sometimes the best thing to do when you don’t have anything reliable is to ignore it until we can find more things about it.

[full lagoon]

Not to mention that even if it is likely thought to be in a particular family given the general structures, it could always be a huge outlier or something completely different upon finding more material

[charred hearth]

thats becasue he edited it in

[ancient crystal]

Paleofans are the toxic fanbase of paleontology

[balmy oyster]

We’re the k-pop fans of the science world

[outer tusk]

Minus the singing

[ancient crystal]

And instead of shipping real people, we get butt hurt over hypothetical dinosaur fights

[charred hearth]

can we ship allo x cerato

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-cane-disgusting-the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-gif-1254079197429359560

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-caine-angry-gif-1072059275100498120

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-26529362

[thorn grove]

enemies to lovers trope

[charred hearth]

facts

[plush fossil]

What about the broken jaw Allo from dinosaur revolution or whatever x the sauropod that broke its jaw (i forgot the name)

[balmy oyster]

the one who broke his jaw was the parent, which would be...weird.

[plush fossil]

What? I'm talking about the show, his jaw got shattered by the tail of the sauropod no?

[balmy oyster]

yes but it's not by the baby of which when they grow up he rips the tail off of

[plush fossil]

I'm so confused

OOOHH I GET IT NOW OOPS..yeah ignore everything I just said

[balmy oyster]

I can see how it's confusing tbh, no worries

@fossil ingot rare win for edmontosaurus?

[fossil ingot]

Real

[plush fossil]

I thought the one who broke the allos jaw was the baby😭 then both grew up n the allo ripped the tail off of the same one

[balmy oyster]

ngl that might've been better, but i think it still works as broken jaw coming over his biggest fade and coming on top

either way they became friends and mixpacked on the torvo lol

[outer tusk]

Something about that ed neck always just rubs me the wrong way

[balmy oyster]

it is a little thick

[outer tusk]

Just looks ugly ngl

[ashen cape]

At least it ain’t shrink wrapped

[balmy oyster]

it's a delicate balance between the two

[outer tusk]

https://youtu.be/I8EFLAGkKtk

[wind prairie]

wdym he does get it broken by a baby though

[balmy oyster]

Could’ve sworn it was the adult

[charred hearth]

didnt the baby allo attempt to bite a adult sauropods tail and then got whipped, resulting in its jaw permantly broken?

[winter marsh]

he gets his jaw broken by a teen sauropod while playing with a skull of some sort of mammal iirc. The sauropod is significantly bigger than Broken Jaw when he gets slapped, and is also the elder of a herd during to main storyline

[fluid inlet]

Still more popular then Purussaurus

[fossil ingot]

Only cause it size
And Bro ain't even Bigger than Puru anymore😭

[jagged trellis]

deino may get the girls
sarco the docu deals
puru gets paid

[fossil ingot]

Not Longer a True Crocodilian
And not longer the Biggest crocodyliform.
He Gets Salt Glands atleast

[wind prairie]

this is what I meant by baby yes
it is at least visibly much younger than the others

[fluid inlet]

Cope lad

[fossil ingot]

"Cope".

Worst fact is that I never denied it and simply pointed out why it was more popular
Idk man, seems you are coping more than I am LOL

[fluid inlet]

Nothing to cope about Deino most pop
Second place is Sarco

[fossil ingot]

I never denied he was more Popular, I simply explained the reasons of why he was so popular(which Funny enough he is not any of those anymore)
And yeah no Sarco isn't more Popular, Sarco just appears more in Dosc cause Mf lived with Dinosaurus and not Puru who mostly lived with Giant Sloths lol

[jagged trellis]

funnily enough sarco was more popular on searching up until the end of 2022 iirc

[fossil ingot]

12m Sarco.....
And Also Time Traveling Sarco(Planet Dinosaur)

[white matrix]

its like a horse neck

[winter marsh]

machimosaurus should become popular

[fossil ingot]

Atleast they close in size now.
Big Head Guys

[white matrix]

ngl i kinda wanna make a model of rhamp

[jagged trellis]

the horrors
doesn't guiness still have 8 ton sarco on their sites lmao

[fossil ingot]

No idea
But I wouldn't be surprise lol

[fluid inlet]

Sarco is def more popular then Purussaurus

[fossil ingot]

Crazy how this is a Close Relative of Deino

I still can't believe this 2 are the same specimen

[fluid inlet]

3rd place isn’t bad for puru

[manic grail]

did the deinosuchus size estimates get smaller?

[jagged trellis]

they do

[fossil ingot]

Yes

[manic grail]

what are the current size estimates?

[fossil ingot]

@manic grail 9.7m and 4.8-5.1t for the Biggest Deino, theres 2 other Specimens at 9.2m anf about 4.1t (maybr 4.4t?)

[fossil ingot]

Still peak Animal
Bobbleheaded Guy

[fluid inlet]

What is this cringe material.

[fossil ingot]

The Reality of Deino Fanboys
(You used the same meme smh)

[fluid inlet]

Me saying that Deinosuchus and sarcosuchus are more popular has no opinion in it, those are facts.

Get it together lad.

[fossil ingot]

If you wonder how it got smaller @manic grail, we got Access to 3D Scans for the material of the Specimen TMM 43632-1

[jagged trellis]

you guys should make out and read study papers all night

[fossil ingot]

I never disagree with Deino been more popular
Idk what your point is
Puru been Larger than Deino is a Fact anyways so like
Get it Together

[manic grail]

I see. Obviously still massive but much smaller than like 8 or 9 tons (if i recall thats what it was thought to be)

[fossil ingot]

OLD Deino, From Fadeno Era was like
13-14t

[manic grail]

Wow what thats crazy

[fossil ingot]

Random then managed to Downsize it to 6.4t
And Finally with Proper Measuremnts bro became 5.1t
Here Fadeno's Old Deino and Current Random's CM 963
Both are CM 963
Except one is 9.2m and the other is 13.5m

It looks funny

[fluid inlet]

It’s interesting I don’t see anyone in the paleo world talking about this at all.

[winter marsh]

how does one even get this small

[fossil ingot]

Fadeno's Newer Deino got better Proportions than his Old but still size issue

[manic grail]

Yea i was wondering the same thing. How come theres such a huge size gap

[fossil ingot]

I wouldn't say 9.2m is Small, its just "small" next to 13.5m
Also, this Happens when you have a Bad Description, Bad Measuremnts and Trust Scale Bars

@fluid inlet TMM 43632-1 Scan is like not even 1 week that is known of its Existance, and this is been talked about in a few paleo discord servers tbh

[outer tusk]

So glad we got to see Fadenosuchus in action all the way back in 2007

[fossil ingot]

1. Fadeno(upscales Stuff, Look at his 10t Anky and 12-18t Para no his upsizes shouldn't be intentional, just trusts Scales Bars to Much)
2. Bad Description and Measurements
3. Trusting Scale Bars To Much

[fluid inlet]

Also if this is the case I’ll be taking every creature size estimate with no 3d scan with a grain of salt and that’s including all specimens of every creature.

Has sarcosuchus and Purussaurus had 3d scans done?

[manic grail]

But even if scale bars and the descriptions are bad wouldnt the fossil material kind of make it obvious that it isnt 14 tons?

[fluid inlet]

Should be

[fossil ingot]

You think thats what Fadeno thought??
Thats the Main Reason Random got 10.7m before
Cause the Scale Bars were simply not good to use lol

[fluid inlet]

Does Sarco and Puru have 3d scans laddy boy

[manic grail]

hmm i see. So that fadeno guy basically didnt pay any attention to the actual fossil material

[fossil ingot]

Sarco is mostly just a Skull thats based off Relatives and some other stuff
Puru was Post Crania with P.Mirandai but not best description
Also you don't need a 3D Scan for everything, Deino's Case is Special cause its Description and Measurements were Bad

[fluid inlet]

So the answer is No , thanks. I will take their size estimates with a grain of salt.

[fossil ingot]

Thx to him we had Ppl Believing 8-10t Anky was Real or also 12t Para was too

[fossil ingot]

By that Logic take everything with a Grain of salt smh.
Not everything has 3D Scans let alone Public Ones LOL

[fluid inlet]

Yes exactly

[outer tusk]

we should all take everyone with a grain of salt, even a baby

[fluid inlet]

But, it’s just a baby ?

[jagged trellis]

apart from me
i'm worth 3
maybe

[stiff osprey]

i take everything with 5 grains of salt

[fossil ingot]

Real

[stiff osprey]

you'd think i have hypertension but 5 grains of salt turns out to not be a lot

[balmy oyster]

He did, the issue was he didn’t pay attention to measurements

or…possibly scalebars either, for that matter.

[zealous ravine]

How? it's about all anyone's been talking about lmao. Random's currently working on an updated skeletal and the scan revealed some interesting things. Including proportionally longer legs than previously thought

[thorn grove]

why have scale bars if they can be off by that much

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/louis-princess-and-the-frog-dance-gif-496748451916322816

[hallow spear]

It’s not the fault of scalebars it’s the camera lens I think? @stiff osprey

[stiff osprey]

physical scalebars will be made off by perspective, yes. if you put two objects on a table and take a photo from above, the taller object will look bigger in the photo, and bones are almost always taller than physical scalebars

[hallow spear]

This is why if you want to scale something, put the scalebar on the bone itself, and make sure your camera lens is one which can avoid this issue

[zealous ravine]

And why scans are always superior, cause you can figure them in orthographic view

[hardy sentinel]

I love this

[outer tusk]

Are there examples of what it looks like to scalebar something wrongly compared to the right way?

[vagrant niche]

I need some quick help, how much did perucetus get downsized a while back?

[charred hearth]

went from over blue whale size down to 40 tons

[vagrant niche]

Rip fat sausage whale thing

[opaque kayak]

The first estimate was just bogus because it was asking for this

Then it got double downsized because the number of verts was reduced because it was being scaled from a less Longboi cetacean then basilosaurus, which got it to 40-90 tons (I miss my sausege tho bring my boy back)

[fluid inlet]

Don’t remind me, I’m still heart broken.

[opaque kayak]

Deinosuchus hatcheri by Randomdinos

[tough parcel]

The croc is washed

[junior dawn]

you are

[tough parcel]

Admins, the modder is bullying me!!!! Help!!!!

[ancient crystal]

Oh my god its him, the deinosuchus guy

[silent inlet]

Omg, people

[opaque kayak]

9.7 meters and 5.4 tons

[ancient crystal]

Instead of downsizing your deino, you should upsize it the percentage that it was downsized irl

[fossil ingot]

Gained 300kg

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-martincitopants-factorio-gif-14846676699341039982

[silent inlet]

Wow, take my text and use it for this, how dare you XD

[hardy sentinel]

How accurate is Jurassic World's Suchomimus?

[silent inlet]

Honestly, I would say it’s not too far off from how it looked in real life

[charred hearth]

was plateo more biped or quad? could it even go quad?

[hardy sentinel]

Easy to tell that Camp Cretaceous had a different team working on it than Jurassic World

@charred hearth obligate biped

[silent inlet]

It was an obligate biped, it could not go quad like what walking with dinosaurs says, cause that was from the outdated assumption that because it was an early relative of a sauropods, so it must’ve also been quadrupedal

Also, my original text was supposed to be an idea for a mod, being a stance changing Plateosaurus, because of its history of what stance it would’ve taken, bipedalism, or quadrupedalism

[ancient crystal]

Just like Tyrannosaurus was an obligate scavenger

[hardy sentinel]

What do we think of this sauropod evolution theory

[charred hearth]

could any dinosaur do this ? https://x.com/SouthApe/status/1977849253486616896

Swamp_Ape_Science (@SouthApe)

You can spend the better part of your life disseminating myths and falsehoods about animals only for fuckass AI to come along and allow people to create the "truths" they want to perpetute in a believable fashion.
And for the last goddamned time. No. Porcupine don't shoot quills.

X · Oct 13, 2025, 9:29 PM

[hardy sentinel]

What do I do next

[ancient crystal]

[charred hearth]

i see a quill poking out of that mans forhead

[ancient crystal]

Oh my god, I was giving a presentation about megalodon teeth a few weeks ago at my University and this lady is talking to me during it and the Gulf of Mexico came up and her daughter pulls this exact pose and goes "Actually, its the Gulf of America now."

[hardy sentinel]

Imagine that Porcupines can shoot their quills and they decide not to, then one day one does and nobody believes the guy that got hit

[silent inlet]

Wait, is it actually called the Gulf of America now? Please tell me it’s not I beg of you.

[charred hearth]

i am woke american, i call it gulf of mexico

[hardy sentinel]

Only in the united states, everywhere else is sane and doesn't listen to a guy who can be mistaken for a domesticated citrus

[ancient crystal]

Unofficially, by executive order, it is technically but you won't find a single scientist or sound minded american who calls it that

[silent inlet]

OH THANK GOD, I will never call the Gulf of America as long as I live

[thorn grove]

you just did

[balmy oyster]

I mean…it is a gulf of the North American continent…

[hardy sentinel]

I'd fw it if it was renamed for that reason but it was renamed for the "Glory of America"

[balmy oyster]

Politics aside it literally is a Gulf of America.

[ancient crystal]

At the risk of being of sounding political, it was an easy to implement but ultimately meaningless campaign promise that riled up supporters and detractors alike

[charred hearth]

Capitalsaurus would've never wanted this

evil pantz: Capitalsaurus is the reason it has happened

[hardy sentinel]

so is the Hudson bay (which can be classified as a gulf)

Just cuz it is a gulf that belongs to the north american continent doesn't mean it needs to be named accordingly

[fossil ingot]

Sarco can be a bit to big but works for the Comp

[silent inlet]

Mexico is part of America and since it’s technically next to Mexico, you could theoretically say it’s a Gulf of America, but it is directly next to Mexico specifically not just the entirety of North America

[ancient crystal]

Deinosuchus put in all that work for the weight loss and now people are saying it's washed, no one respects the grind

[hardy sentinel]

Also theres the fact that the majority of the gulf is owned by mexico

[charred hearth]

he was better as a beautiful fat man

[fossil ingot]

Deino is 9.7m(along the centra) and 5.4t
That Sarco is like 9.6m along the Centra, its just longer due to his Deino's Torsi is on a Straight lkne

[hardy sentinel]

What happened to my favorite non crocodilian eusuchian? Did he get hit wit da shrink ray?

[ancient crystal]

Call it the Gulf of Cuba so no one can be happy

[hardy sentinel]

Really funny opportunity for the Cuban government

[silent inlet]

Call it the Gulf of Mexico or I will find your house and burn down all of your collectables

[charred hearth]

wow, you took it too far, way to go

[ancient crystal]

Jokes on you I collect aquariums can't burn those down

[opal acorn]

would a rex (or any bipedal carni in the roster aside from 1 slots and most 2 slots) be able to crouch? i remember it being answered in here by a few people who all explained why but i forgot why they said it couldnt

[hardy sentinel]

Even though it's nowhere close to the country, lets just call it the gulf of sealand

[silent inlet]

I could always use oil and then your aquariums will on the outside be on fire

[charred hearth]

why would they name a country after a australian island? that makes zero self

[ancient crystal]

You could never do that to this friendly face

[hardy sentinel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand cuz

[silent inlet]

Yes, I could. I’m a cold hearted soul. I have no love in my heart.

[charred hearth]

quilava i am reporting you to the goverment, count your moon cycles

[silent inlet]

Dang now you’re taking it too far, also I have no idea how to count past four

[hardy sentinel]

Why does the thing next to the fish look like George Washington

[ancient crystal]

Oh I get it, you're the worst hisuian starter and you're taking your anger out on my poor beloved fish

[charred hearth]

worst johto starter too

[silent inlet]

HOW DARE U INSLUT ME LIKE THAT, I am the best starter in all of existence, you guys are just coping

[ancient crystal]

Its george washington, clearly

[hardy sentinel]

How about now

[silent inlet]

Nvm, my heart is now completely full of love

[ancient crystal]

I cam't wait for all this enjoyable banter to get obliterated by the mods

[balmy oyster]

Gulf of cuba would be funny

[hardy sentinel]

He died over 15 years ago, how would he be in your fish tank?

[silent inlet]

Quilava is still the best starter, COUGH, COUGH-

[charred hearth]

describe jurassic worlds asthetic compared to jurassic park, without being " its dookie "

[ancient crystal]

Sorcery most foul

[balmy oyster]

“Let’s please stay on topic! 5 minute mutes to the 2 people not involved in geopolitical discussions!”

[hardy sentinel]

Getting better

[silent inlet]

Treating dinosaurs like toys that the public gets excited about for five seconds and then throws away like they aren’t beautiful living breathing and absolutely amazing animals

[fluid inlet]

Who tf invited Cuba

[charred hearth]

jurassic park to me is retro realism, it was accurate at the time, i would describe world as going into either stylized realism / monstrous animals

[hardy sentinel]

I am going to take away the one thing that separates you from all other animals (except elephants).... your chin

[jagged trellis]

its pugs have marginally less health issues
like functioning legs

[charred hearth]

you act like he has one

[silent inlet]

NOOO NOT MY CHIN, I NEED MY CHIN TO AURA FARM

[hardy sentinel]

I can't hear you Neanderthalensis

[charred hearth]

whats wrong with jurassic park legs?

[fluid inlet]

https://preview.redd.it/throwback-to-my-giganotosaurus-edit-redesign-from-2022-i-v0-f1p53ui554qe1.jpeg?width=1106&auto=webp&s=28d25acaeabdeee0815a9fa1901ef2e3a976fdab

[balmy oyster]

Giganotosaurus:

[charred hearth]

the world we live in is so sad rn

[ancient crystal]

On the topic of chins JW tarbo has no right to have such a massive chin and I'm glad its decanonized lost media

[hardy sentinel]

I still win, you will be less like Giganotosaurus when I am done with you

[silent inlet]

TAKE THAT GUYS CHIN, WE NEED TO LOWER HIS AURA LEVELS

[balmy oyster]

NOOOOOOO

[fluid inlet]

No.

[charred hearth]

which tarbo?

[ancient crystal]

...

The one with the big chin

[jagged trellis]

as in stuff like jw sino can walk and breath reliably
which compared to pugs is a blessing

[silent inlet]

AHHHHHHHH, it’s that damn dominion giga

[fluid inlet]

This is a punishable offense.

[silent inlet]

No

[ancient crystal]

Yes

[charred hearth]

still crazy how deinosuchus cant death roll

[balmy oyster]

Well now it’s just bistahieversor 😤

[hardy sentinel]

Carch has more aura than Giga, change my mind

Buddy took down sauropods AND had to deal with Spinosaurus

[fluid inlet]

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-tony-hawk-01-9078ee5f-8eb3-482a-b0bf-6c43bcbf7cf5.jpg?w=1500&h=1054&crop=1

[silent inlet]

Really? I thought it could? I heard from somewhere it could

[charred hearth]

only purru

[stiff osprey]

the study that said deinosuchus couldn't death roll also said gharials can't death roll, which is false

[balmy oyster]

Giga ate 27 different rebbachisaurs

@silent inlet even modern day large sized crocodiles struggle to deathroll to the point where the largest individuals are incapable of doing it. Now imagine that but scaled to the size of a female elephant.

[fluid inlet]

https://lavitsfigure.com/cdn/shop/products/03-22-36-908.jpeg?v=1571269082

[thorn grove]

according to studies every prehistoric animal would have instantly fallen apart from a slight breeze

[hardy sentinel]

I ate 27 fleeing rats on my way to work and you don't see me gaining more aura

[charred hearth]

so sarco and deino could deathroll?

[silent inlet]

Dang, thought just stuff like sarco couldn’t do the death roll, was unaware of this

[fluid inlet]

Form your own scientific opinions bud.

[balmy oyster]

This is true, no way theri didn’t stab things it disliked at least once per individual’s lifetime

[stiff osprey]

assuming it's at least in shallow water and isn't going to destroy its ribcage by doing it on land i don't see why any croc couldn't death roll

[balmy oyster]

I imagine it trying to roll on land like how you roll an egg on the counter to crack the shell, you can do it but it’s gonna crack a few things

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-croc-animal-capture-crocodile-trap-dangertv-gif-13856631

[hardy sentinel]

Therizinosaurus does not approve

I am going to go draw velociraptor with pronated wrists now

[fluid inlet]

Counter ratio by a Brazilian legend https://contacthighsports.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/giphy9.gif?w=920

[thorn grove]

Vaguely on the topic of supposedly fragile weponry I once had someone try to claim that Triceratops' horns would have simply shattered on contact with T. rex

[silent inlet]

HOW DARE THEE DRAW PRONATED WRISTS

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/shattered-gif-22349745

[fluid inlet]

Imagine what Edmontosaurus would do to him

[balmy oyster]

This isn’t because triceratops had weak horns it’s because trex was just physically invulnerable to all sorts of physical attacks unless it was from another tyrannosaurus

[thorn grove]

It's hide was actually comprised entirely of steel

[silent inlet]

No, actually, it was comprised of the Earth

[charred hearth]

what about from edmusthosaurus?

[fluid inlet]

T. rex actually could crouch in place giving it faster movement for a limited amount of time.

[thorn grove]

The Edmusthosaurus was simply too heavy for T. rex's steel hide to withstand but instead of an attack it would simply sit on the pathetic Tyrannosaurus and crush its insides

[hardy sentinel]

The inner workings of running fast after crouching

[ancient crystal]

Tyrannosaurus is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical

[charred hearth]

rex with this ability >

[hardy sentinel]

Triceratops actually only had horns when they were pregnant and store the babies in the horns similar to Pachycephalosaur domes, and the babies would be shot out at the sign of a threat

[fluid inlet]

A evolutionary trait lost to time, unfortunate.

[balmy oyster]

Imagine a live mass pentaceratops herd birthing

[fluid inlet]

I miss 12 feet tall pachy

[charred hearth]

did the baby live

[hardy sentinel]

We all know why they went extinct

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-6-battlefield-explosion-destruction-shotgun-gif-4738743600904850066

[charred hearth]

where is the true image

[charred hearth]

sometimes i have dreams about amargasaurus and this one dream i had where i had to watch it suffer at the hands of a deinosuchus, itr was very sad because all i heard was its sad whails and cries as the deino just slowly drowned it, i think path of titans has given me truama about prehestoric crocodiles /srs

[hardy sentinel]

I'm gonna draw this so you can relive the horror

[thorn grove]

everytime I remember small Sauropods I wonder how they survived

[charred hearth]

fast breeding and alot of babies

[hardy sentinel]

turtle method

[thorn grove]

like at least if a Hadrosaur is smaller than its predator it can probably run away + chewing gives ecological advantages

[charred hearth]

how does chewing do that

[thorn grove]

I mean yea it's just kind of crazy

like the smaller Sauropods in Giga's formation for example were like unironically just fodder

[thorn grove]

helps to process food more efficiently prior to it passing into the gut, Hadrosaur dominance by the late Cretaceous was probably spurred on by this

[hardy sentinel]

Would probably only be an issue if Gigas killed for sport but a single small sauropod could probably keep a Giga fed

[charred hearth]

indomomius rex after killing 5 apatos for no reason:

[thorn grove]

yea I suppose that's fair

[hardy sentinel]

plus being small means you grow and mature faster than your bigger counterparts, so we aren't looking at 20+ years until maturity

Breeding fast and having a ton of babies would allow them to basically become the Hadrosaurs of their ecosystems (which most ecosystems with small sauropods lacked)

[thorn grove]

Yea I was gonna say it just seems weird cuz those small Sauropods seem to use Hadrosaur strats without any of the advantages Hadrosaurs had but it seems like they all kind of disappeared as Hadrosaurs started showing up

although I don't think all of those are actually directly correlated events

[hardy sentinel]

South America comparatively lacked Hadrosaurs, it had small Hadrosaur sized sauropods instead that basically filled the role

[thorn grove]

well they showed up in the Maastrichtian but iirc those smaller Sauropods were already extinct before then

I had been implying a direct causal link between Hadrosaurs appearing and them going extinct but I don't think that's actually the case

[hardy sentinel]

it would make sense

Hadrosaurs seem to pop up where all the herbivores of a similar size start to disappear

Then again it could always be correlation rather than causation

[thorn grove]

yea because large Ornithopods seem to become more common as Stegosaurs die out and they both fill a low-medium browser niche but it may have simply been due to Ornithopods being better suited for the floral overturn around the early Cretaceous rather than directly driving Stegosaurs extinct through competition

it could be similar processes with Hadrosaurs and contemporaneous similarly sized herbivores but I'd have to read up more on that to get a better grasp of it

[wind prairie]

spring inside me

[wind prairie]

you know what I don't understand to this day???
so much educational media about porcupines I see is so quick to correct and claim that porcupines do not shoot their quills. Literally WHO thinks that? I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a person that thinks porcupines shoot their quills. Am I missing something???
(and assuming your question is a joke, right?)

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-inside-me-toy-story-deltarune-undertale-toby-fox-gif-9006788535348621099

[wind prairie]

seriously what is that thing

[coral forge]

its definitely not a sauropod so that rules out over 200 options

[plush fossil]

Maybe you're having flashbacks to when our ancestors got eaten by giant crocodiles or whatever LOL it's awakening something inside you

[quaint trellis]

Hi

[proper orchid]

I wonder if ceras are medium Dino’s are achy’s also medium or what?

[brave nova]

Do u mean achilobator?

[proper orchid]

Yeah

[brave nova]

IRL achi was about 300-400kg while Cera was ~1t

[proper orchid]

Fair point

[coral forge]

that cera looks huge
did its legs get longer or am I just misremembering how big it was

[undone rapids]

Its around 2 meters Hip height(or Spine height I guess), which is what it usually is

Probably just looks bigger due to how small achilo is in comparison

[coral forge]

True. Let's just use PoT achillo because it makes cera look small

[native kindle]

PoT achillo has a different posture and is just under 7m in length i believe

[fluid inlet]

Cera is huge , extreme huge by today’s standards for carnivores

[coral forge]

the hip height is around 1.8m according to the ingame human model

[coral forge]

it would be the largest terrestrial carnivore if it were alive today
mabye even the largest reptile

[native kindle]

i don't judge by that because of the aforementioned much different posture compared to the skeletal posted, so i'd use its length of just under 7m

[coral forge]

hip height doesnt change with posture which is why it is used to showcase height
same with why length is determined by total length of the spine and skull and not a straight line from nose to tail

[fluid inlet]

Yep, it’s always humbling when you see it in game. This thing was a beast, and I’m sure it was even more vicious. Perhaps similar to a hyena in just toughness.

It had to be with torvorsaurus and allosaurus both in the same ecosystems.

Another reason to post this.

[coral forge]

crazy how its always shown as the underdog despite being the 5th largest theropod in the morrison

[fluid inlet]

The Morrison was just a tough era period.

[coral forge]

or possibly crazier how out of the 5 largest morrison theropods, 3 of them are allosaurus

[undone rapids]

That's why we must break it, return of Cerosaurus!!!

[fluid inlet]

I’m always more curious how different were their strategies in securing kills and just how they lived in general.

[brave nova]

I measured it awhile ago and it’s just about 6.2m and then ridiculously tall because its proportions are weird

[coral forge]

who has worse posture duck or achillo

[native kindle]

achillo's posture is the new accurate one for dromaeosaurs from what i've heard, so deinocheirus

[fluid inlet]

What

[undone rapids]

Technically these two are the largest Jurassic Theropods with very complete specimens(Since Allo and Torvo's big specimens aren't that great in terms of completeness)

[native kindle]

based on scott hartman's latest skeletal for utah (neutral edit from a paleo server)

[fluid inlet]

Edmarka Rex would mug both.

Still nothing new on siats

[undone rapids]

It will be interesting if Edmarka differs from Torvo in proportions significantly, if they do end up being different.

[fluid inlet]

Acro siats and Utahraptor all in the same formation ?

[native kindle]

same formation, not same time
just like how torvo wasn't around in the later stages of the morrison iirc

[compact leaf]

cedar mountain is really like 3 formations running around in a trenchcoat, it’s a huge span of time and geographic area

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I just peeped the 140 -90 Mya , surely a lot changes in 50 million years

[neat notch]

I quite like it, feels powerful.
But have you seen a horse's neck structure?

[tough parcel]

I mean the real question is does Edmontosaurus have attachment points like a horse or is it like a dinosaur?

[neat notch]

I don't see why not imo
head heavy, need support

It also probably had fat tissue, not just meat

[hallow spear]

There is a study on hadrosaur neck musculature already, referencing a horse is uneeded

[brave nova]

Clearly it’s like a giraffe

[neat notch]

Wasn't aware of this, ty

[coral forge]

who's the one in front of yang

[undone rapids]

Sinraptor Hepigensis, its a pretty big Metri of around 9 meters

[neat notch]

a woman

[coral forge]

I always thought sinraptor was like cera sized 💔

[undone rapids]

The other species "dongi" is smaller, though larger than cera I think

S. hepi and Yang also lived in the same formation. With like 10 billion sauropods and stegos

[astral junco]

Can anyone tell me how off the size of an actual Thal was compared to PoT Thal?

[coral forge]

it was only 1 meter tall

[undone rapids]

Damn, half the size of a ceratosaurus

[coral forge]

around double because the devs confused the 50cm scale bar for a 1m scale bar. PoT thal is just over 3.5m tall

[neat notch]

How tall was the rl one?

[astral junco]

Thank you. I wonder if they will downsize Thal when it gets a TLC

[coral forge]

but yeah 7.4m, slightly longer than cera

[tough parcel]

Use this

It's the same guy, just significantly more updated

[neat notch]

It needs to passively regain stamina when in the air, but not flapping it's wings

[coral forge]

That's a different species though
I was just looking for the size of S. Dongi

[neat notch]

Damn scary. I can't fistfight one

[tough parcel]

Angrily posts

[astral junco]

That would be cool

[coral forge]

you could
pterosaurs weren't exactly strong for their size

[neat notch]

Break hurts
Nuff said

[tough parcel]

Biteforce*

In terms of getting hit from the wing, you'd probably be hurting big time

[coral forge]

theyre the same just different neck posture

[outer tusk]

I just don't like it because it looks too much like a horse

[tough parcel]

Whar

[outer tusk]

Even in Dan older skeletal there were so obvious differences between both species of Sinraptor

[neat notch]

Look Ma, 3d Sinraptor!

[neat notch]

Noted.
Also, [insert marge simpson meme thing] "I just think they're neat"

[tough parcel]

Labeled

[neat notch]

bro got un-3d'd

[outer tusk]

Idk if I already said but it's just feel unnecessary since the neck in the original is fine

[tough parcel]

I couldn't afford the 3D glasses so I forced Sinraptor to accomodate me

[neat notch]

It's okay, I understand

[coral forge]

oh i somehow erased part of the scale bar when resizing it 😭

[tough parcel]

🥀

[outer tusk]

Cinema

[neat notch]

Bruh my post got deleted for containing the h word, even though it's a perfectly acceptable word in anthropology (literally our species scientific name) 💀

[outer tusk]

What 😭

[neat notch]

I was going to say "Peak [] sapiens sapiens moment"

Should I notify a mod?

[tough parcel]

What is this?

And @neat notch they already know but can't/won't do anything

[neat notch]

Figured as much, it's just strange that we can't write certain words for their societal content, not the scientific one

[ancient crystal]

H0mo is the best way to get around it

[neat notch]

Silly but simple

[neat notch]

Anyways, peak H0mo sapiens sapiens moment

If it gets flagged I'ma crash out

Let's post paleo stuff before the higher beings show up.
This fish was in the museum I work on (only paleo thing there, sadly, and had no identification) and after some time I managed to identify it

Calamopleurus https://www.google.com/search?kgmid=%2Fm%2F05f56wv&hl=en-BR&q=Calamopleurus&shndl=17&source=sh%2Fx%2Fkp%2Fosrp%2Fm1%2F2&kgs=8f93aacbba682bcd

Moar pics:

Did I got it right?

[tough parcel]

Not many fish people here

[neat notch]

Shame

[ancient crystal]

I'm a fish people but I don't know that fish

But I'll say it does look right

[little mauve]

definitely looks like an amiid, they were incredibly diverse in the Mesozoic so nailing down the genus without site info is tough

[manic grail]

fish tastes amazing

[coral forge]

does the nemegt formation Wikipedia page exclude any archosaurs?

[hardy sentinel]

It's so ass we can say ass but not our genus

[little mauve]

I don't think so, it's a pretty thorough and well sourced page

[coral forge]

really? I could have sworn there were more than 3 sauropods

[little mauve]

Nemegtosaurus and Ophisthocoelicaudia are the only ones described, there's other indeterminate material but it may belong to one or both of them. Footprints too, but IDing them is problematic

[manic grail]

Homo‎ Sapien

[lofty creek]

S. dongi is juvenile so it could likely grow much larger
also when it comes to S.(or Y.) hepingensis, it shall be noticed that it has a relatively really short tail for its size, while the head and body is normal in size for a 9-10 meters theropod

[tough parcel]

Proof of like...anything you just said?

I've never heard of Sinraptor getting an age estimate nor have I heard of it being potentially chimeric (if that's what your last statement means)

[undone rapids]

The Description says its not fully mature. So like most animals in the fossil record, Probably not fully grown.
Though I doubt it would be considered a Juvenile, probably a Sub-adult or Young adult.

Or maybe it is Fully grown cuz Scotty has some immature charateristics but still has an EFS iirc, so prob won't know until Histology

[lofty creek]

thats sounds reasonable since ik a lot of unoutdated Chinese information like Palaeovertebrata Sinica 2021 is hardly accessible here
S. hepingensis is originally Y. hepingensis, and it has been temporarily sent back to Yangchuansaurus now
(I dont think that's the end tho)

[undone rapids]

Yeah that was seen in the new Metri paper iirc, Alpakarush paper it was. Hepi being considered a yang I mean

[lofty creek]

hail the great spinosaur Monolophosaurus

[ashen wedge]

Paleo-Conspiracy Theory: what if we are the hybrids of all of the human species that modern humans have lived besides and have bred with?

[tough parcel]

I was gonna say, it being a juvenile feels far-fetched but sub-adult that doesn't really grow much makes a lot more sense

[undone rapids]

Isn't that like, kinda the case? Like to a degree?

Modern humans having dna of multiple species or something

[outer tusk]

An 8.5 meters juvenile 😭

[outer tusk]

Aegpytosaurus

[tough parcel]

Oh, the boring animal nvm

[outer tusk]

Lmao 😭

[wind prairie]

is it possible there were some dinosaurs that hunted from water more often than we think, but the evidence isn't in the skeleton itself?
You prob wouldn't be able to tell that jaguars like to hunt in water from just their skeleton

[undone rapids]

There's a Tarbo juvi with fish in its stomach contents and dilo has been proposed to fish due to its skull.

Abelis have been suggested to be amphibious(though not much anymore) and the new megaraptor was found with a Croc arm in its mouth

[wind prairie]

tarbo with fish sounds very interesting but what about dilo would make it hunt fish

and I don't necessarily mean hunting fish btw. Just hunting other land animals or larger aquatic animals from the water

[undone rapids]

Dilos skull has a pinch at the front which is usually for catching slippery prey like fish, we see it in Spinos too iirc.

But yeah hunting larger stuff in water would be an option. I think spino has some really big and slow fish in its formation which it might've hunted.

[wind prairie]

I thought dilo's notch would've been a lot less pronounced irl

[lofty creek]

well a 8.5 meter therapod with a skull over 1 meter in length and 98 cm femur is already kinda crazy
also the 8.5 meter one is Y. hepingensis, D. dongi is like 7.5 meters

[undone rapids]

More evidence Carnotaurus is the greatest(61 cm skull, ~8 meters and 103 cm femur)

[neat notch]

Carno fans just keep winning 🔥

[undone rapids]

Abelisaurs are just too Peak

[neat notch]

arms < legs

"It's over Maip! I have already drew myself as a chad and you as the soyjack!"

[sudden wind]

Meowl

[little mauve]

Crocs and turtles are common in more mesozoic ecosystems than not, I'm sure theropods were exploiting them as food sources

[outer tusk]

No sinraptor dongi is 8.5 while hepingensis is 8.8

[neat notch]

Yes, would be pretty illogical not to, if given the chance

[hardy sentinel]

yall

When classification first started happening, what were whales classed as? They're ungulates today but were they their own family or were they within Carnivora or another group?

[stiff osprey]

They were classified as fish until the 10th edition of Linnaeus's Systema Naturae

[neat notch]

That's real, btw

[neat notch]

You have the church to thank for that
Also, not (entirely) related but the reason we got animals with names like 'sea-cow', 'sea-lion', 'sea-serpent', etc. was because of the belief that God created every land animal with an aquatic counterpart (which is also one of the reasons old nautical maps had so many strange monsters drew upon)

[neat notch]

To this day the Vatican consider beavers as fish (even though the history behind the motive is not related to my previous texts)

If I recall, it got something to do with the Pilgrims during famines

[neat notch]

Also, Linnaeus did it cuz he was a clueless punk (imo)

[ancient crystal]

I wonder if anyone within the vatican actually believes that or if its just a formality thing from tradition

[compact leaf]

it’s a formality thing, there’s a lot of that around certain animals and whether you’re technically allowed to eat them

[neat notch]

Vatican is all about tradition. Some things don't change either because they're too hellbent to change, or just laziness and conformity

[neat notch]

And there's that, too

[full lagoon]

Probably also related to the way they are "managed" (exploited or killed)

[charred hearth]

why are these kids abusing this poor baby dinosaur? https://x.com/teortaxesTex/status/1977909836806291696

Teortaxes▶️ (DeepSeek 推特🐋铁粉 2023 – ∞) (@teortaxe...

«Unitree robodogs have no use case outside research»

X · Oct 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

[ancient crystal]

I can only assume this is in regards to the (formerly) big alligator

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/FabioAleRomero/status/1978103011994919397

Fabio Alejandro (@FabioAleRomero)

Some artwork recently made, Cetotherium riabinini is a small baleen whale from the Late Miocene of the Eastern Paratethys sea (Ukraine), a almost complete individual show it had remarkable body proportions unlike modern elongated species in a minuscule size.

X · Oct 14, 2025, 2:18 PM

[outer tusk]

yes

[rich vessel]

Tiny fella aren’t they

[fossil ingot]

Smaller than Baryonyx btw

[wind prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-jpuywa6lg I doubt microraptorines hunted prey that large, right??

[outer tusk]

pretty sure weight wise carno is larger but length wise baryonyx is longer

[undone rapids]

Those Abstract, Ontogenetically Stunted, Wannabe Tyrants never stood a chance

[fossil ingot]

Carno is 1.8-2t
Bary Holotype is 2.1t

[fossil ingot]

Carno is Obviously Heavier Proportionally but like
Still lighter with its Current Size
The Carno here should be about 1.8t, Hartmans is 2t

[undone rapids]

It can vary a good bit, Some Models of Carno get 2.2 or 2.4 tonnes even when based off the same skeletals. Happens with all Animals

[manic grail]

i wouldnt be surprised if sucho turns out to be the biggest spinosaurid considering how fragmentary the fossil material of large spinosaurus is

[ancient crystal]

Spinosaurus no longer being the largest spinosaurid? I think that would genuinely kill spino fanboys

Someone's life would end upon that information getting out.

[fossil ingot]

Hartman said his Carno is 2t
2.4t for Carno sounds way to High tbh
Thats almost Pycno's Weight, Random's uses Same Dorsal at Hartman but is 7.8m instead of 8.4m

[undone rapids]

I know, I was just referring to 3d models based off those skeletals. Which ussually get slightly higher weight estimates compared to GDIs iirc.

[fossil ingot]

I mean.
Big Spino's are Fragmentary Sure, but most do indicate a Large Animal

[manic grail]

im a spino fan myself lol

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Sucho IS big

[undone rapids]

If you consider only Decently Complete Spinosaurid Specimens, then yeah its just these 3.

[fossil ingot]

Spino Neotype depends which Skeletal you wanna use

[undone rapids]

it doesn't change too much, mainly sail shape and skull I guess, unless Hartman Spino. That's pretty different

[opaque kayak]

It would absolutely nuke spino if the large fragments from morroco ain't spino (which is totally possible lol)

[undone rapids]

Return of Sigil...

[fossil ingot]

Liams is bigger than Dan's Neotype and has the Updated Tail Caudal Amount
Or if you wanna be High use The Size Sobek Has

[paper parcel]

Ideal male form

[fossil ingot]

9m Anky.....

[brave nova]

There was a gdi for carno recently which got 2.5t. It’s also a lot smaller than pycnos which was has a gdi at 3.2t

[balmy oyster]

• pycno isn't even fully grown

[brave nova]

Hypothetical adult pycno at 4.6t

[fossil ingot]

Random mentioned that what mentioned Pycno been Sub Adult isn't even a Good Way for that

They use smth that May Indicate is fully grown but also Indicate its Not
Pycno's Maturity is kinda Iffy

@brave nova It was a Model Ender Did yeah, how he did it or how he even got 2.5t is Unknown

[brave nova]

Oh . It looks to be based off randoms carno aswell so who knows

[undone rapids]

It depends on how much soft tissue you give it

[fossil ingot]

Yes but I mean Dorsal
Random's Carno uses Hartman's Dorsal
Which gets 2 tonnes for his Carno

[undone rapids]

It can vary a good bit even when staying within the soft tissue outline of a skeletal

[fossil ingot]

6t Sucho...(soft Tissue go brr)

[undone rapids]

That's probably from a gdi, which is different from a model where you can have a good bit of variation

[fossil ingot]

Hartman didn't mention how he got 2 tonnes but was likely GDI
Bary been 2.1t is also from GDI anyways

Funny

[balmy oyster]

Oh right, remember random talking about that

[winter marsh]

small is an understatement. This thing is teeny. Wonder how fast it was to escape stuff

[tough parcel]

The humble Megalodon, devourer of popcorn whales

[charred hearth]

do you think it would be put into aquariums

[manic grail]

for sure

[winter marsh]

it would probably either ignore it cuz too much trouble catching something this small that couldve been very fast and evasive or just swallow it whole 😭 poor thing would not survive humans at all

or maybe it could have some sort of defense mechanism like how pygmy sperm whales have an ink that looks like blood that they shoot in the water

[hardy sentinel]

"Oh boy I sure hope the floating whale head of judgement doesn't show up"

The floating whale head of judgement:

[charred hearth]

how much head is it actually? like, 60 percent?

[opaque kayak]

I think bow whales have similar proportions and they are HUGE

[manic grail]

57.7617%

[tight kettle]

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[outer tusk]

massive even

[river plinth]

Wait what what's the biggest now? Also so spino isn't like 8 tons anymore?

[stiff osprey]

he was being hypothetical

but if you believe that the morrocan material isn't Spinosaurus, then Suchomimus is larger than Spinosaurus (and the largest spinosaurid would be a third unnamed thing)

[iron halo]

suchomimus, spinosaurus, and a third, more sinister option…

[charred hearth]

is there any baleen dolphins?

[white matrix]

guys I figured out how miragaia is toxic!
it has toxin in its spit! thats why when it spits on you it weakens you and it probably licks its plates/spikes to make itself toxic!

[charred hearth]

how long would its tongue hjave to be?

[white matrix]

well its pretty long in game + long neck

[balmy oyster]

Whoever X’d this probably doesn’t realize some mammals do this but with things like millipedes

[elfin pulsar]

Nah I just don’t think it works realistically

[full lagoon]

Some other types of animals also gain poison from certain things they eat.

[elfin pulsar]

Considering there was something about poison berry bushes I think that would make a little more sense from a “realism” pov

[full lagoon]

Including a type of modern dinosaur iirc.

[balmy oyster]

Well of course not realistically, i don’t know if miragaia even had the flexibility to comfortably reach all plates & spikes (especially the ones on the neck)

Now from consumption and it naturally accumulating on the spikes & plates…maybe

[elfin pulsar]

Oh ik what you’re talking about it’s name starts with a P

[full lagoon]

Correction, several modern dinosaurs

[elfin pulsar]

They’re trying to make a “scientifically accurate” connection

[white matrix]

name a reptile that produces toxins that isn't inside of its mouth

[ancient crystal]

[charred hearth]

whyyy

[white matrix]

also another supporting reason is those birds have the toxin in their flesh, miragaia doesn't have toxic flesh so its more likely to produce through a gland in their mouth

[ancient crystal]

Because dolphins are toothed whales

[elfin pulsar]

It’s from diet

[white matrix]

yeah I know that??? their diet makes their flesh toxic💀💀

[elfin pulsar]

Another dude even said “ofc not realistically” to the lick plate idea

Also by that logic why isnt spit toxic

Crazy message edit

[white matrix]

it can definitely reach its spikes

[white matrix]

is the spit weakening you not an effect of poison/toxin/venom?💀💀💀

[elfin pulsar]

You don’t become temporarily immune to being poisoned 💀

[white matrix]

poison/toxins can have different effects if its on your skin or enters your body
miragaia's spikes impale you and it enters your body
the spit just makes it come into contact with your skin so it has less effect

[elfin pulsar]

By that logic it can still “enter the body” because of wounds

There isn’t a particularly good way to try and scientifically accurately explain PoT mira, it having toxic spit is definitely not one of em

[white matrix]

uhm well I just did😐 you haven't brought up a single valid statement to argue against it

[elfin pulsar]

You didn’t no

Me disagreeing isn’t rage bait, you’ve just been consistently rude @marsh tapir can you do smthn about the toxicity

[white matrix]

normally when you disagree you bring up a valid argument of why you disagree, you haven't done so

[elfin pulsar]

I have, if you disagree with what I said that’s fine, but be mature

[marsh tapir]

Let us please remain polite and respectful while interacting on this server.

If we're unable to remain civil while on this topic, we'd very much recommend you move on from it altogether.

Refer to our server #rules.

[white matrix]

you said it produces the toxins through its spikes, name a reptile that does that
and the toxic flesh through diet is invalidated as the meat is still edible

[elfin pulsar]

I said video game right after, thought that would be obvious it wasn’t serious
I also explained how the poison spit doesn’t add up, you can reread it

[white matrix]

snakes and komodo dragons produce their toxins in their mouths yet their flesh is still able to be consumed

[fluid inlet]

Guys no toxicity 🖤 spread love not hate

[white matrix]

and i also said why it makes sense as to why it wouldn't have thag much of an effect

[elfin pulsar]

Doesn’t add up because it isn’t just skin, wounds are leftover and it would get in circulation from that

[charred hearth]

what does this prove

[elfin pulsar]

Nothing

[white matrix]

okay so you want to be realistic when it comes to that but think it makes more sense for it to produce toxic in its spikes? you cant bring in logic and then take it out💀

[elfin pulsar]

@white matrix dude read this, sent it earlier…

You’re caught up on the spike thing

[fluid inlet]

💔

[white matrix]

yeah obviously, but my argument is better supported, yours is supported by legit no real world example

[elfin pulsar]

This just isn’t true at all but alright

[white matrix]

you have yet to bring up ANYTHING to help your argument but alright

[elfin pulsar]

Again I did, it’s up

[charred hearth]

insatiabilis have you tried to READ with your EYES

[fluid inlet]

Please be kind

[white matrix]

again, you have not

[elfin pulsar]

Again no

[charred hearth]

is this the message antasma?

[elfin pulsar]

Mmm yeah that’s a pretty good one

[ancient crystal]

Aw, I missed an arguement again

[balmy oyster]

me too lol

[charred hearth]

its still going on if you truly think abt it

[elfin pulsar]

Eh I wouldn’t even call it that he just really really wants toxic saliva mira to be realistic

[ancient crystal]

I was too busy shining a flashlight into my friends eyes

[white matrix]

you also become immune to it very fast and heal mortal wounds
argument invalidated

[charred hearth]

??

[elfin pulsar]

That makes no sense and is trying to use video game logic to explain your take on realism

[white matrix]

thats legit what YOU did, I was using YOUR logic

is saliva that weakens you NOT a toxin???

[fluid inlet]

Ngl insatiabilis either this is high tier bait or crazy argument.

[charred hearth]

@ancient crystal @balmy oyster your wishes came true

[elfin pulsar]

Oh brother

[balmy oyster]

yippee

[ancient crystal]

I feel like we had a hand in reigniting this

[balmy oyster]

okay fr what is this all about? do you really want to believe in irl miragaia toxin producer, or are you mad because Antasma never gave a proper reason as to why they disagree with that idea?

[white matrix]

also yes this saliva weakens me, its definitely just normal saliva and doesn't have any kind of toxic in it

[charred hearth]

??

[fluid inlet]

It’s bait , you got Rick Rolled.

[white matrix]

antasma thinks its more realistic for miragaia to produce toxins in its spikes and I argued for a more realistic approach on miragaia's toxin

[elfin pulsar]

I said several times I don’t think this lmao

[charred hearth]

his brain is bait because i wouldnt be suprised if something took a bite out of it

[fluid inlet]

Mean words are not kind.

[charred hearth]

i am a changed person, insatiabilis your opinion ins valid and you matter, you may not be the brighest tool in the shed but you are still a handy tool that should be loved and appreciated

[elfin pulsar]

I’m dead

[white matrix]

@elfin pulsar

[fluid inlet]

Together we strong 🖤 divided we are vaporized.

[elfin pulsar]

Read this I sent earlier..? “I said video game right after, thought that would be obvious it wasn’t serious”

Again like I said you’re too caught up on cherry picks

[white matrix]

you still said it 😐
"cherry picked" thats legit why this argument started

[charred hearth]

it could say gulliable on the ceiling and you'd believe it so how much does that truly matter

[fluid inlet]

Arguing while listening to this song is crazy

[balmy oyster]

So this whole argument is bogus?

I LOVE it. Keep going!!

[elfin pulsar]

He didn’t like my unserious message

[fluid inlet]

The song is peaceful , I know your brain only works part time, but that was the correlation fish boy.

[white matrix]

"unserious message" I legit accused you of ragebaiting after you sent that and you said you weren't
stop changing up

look at the new one@fluid inlet

[charred hearth]

you've been switching up this whole time lets be so serious rn

[elfin pulsar]

That makes no sense dude

[fluid inlet]

I never heard that song but I do like the other one.

[elfin pulsar]

Look at all those poisonous spikes…

[fluid inlet]

Oh god

[charred hearth]

brachiosaurus trumbles in fear

[ancient crystal]

Do you think brachiosaurus treated stegosaurus like we treat stingrays?

Whenever they go through a forest they shuffle around so they don't step on one and get thagomized

[elfin pulsar]

I could see it

[charred hearth]

who would you rather step on as a sauropod, a stegosaurid or a anyklosaurid

[elfin pulsar]

Oh anky 100% it’d feel like one of those foot therapy things

[fluid inlet]

U sure https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c4a5fa5edce6c06005ef63b85f8b777ed407ebda/126_0_3600_2880/master/3600.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=15d40801a118bcef294af7227a0f31db

[elfin pulsar]

Okay maybe not that one

[ancient crystal]

What was faster, stegosaurus or brachiosaurus?

[charred hearth]

unironically brachi

[balmy oyster]

My dad would be a brachiosaurus

[stiff osprey]

brachiosaurus would be alarmingly fast for a 50 ton animal

[white matrix]

@lofty creek you know anything about this?

[manic grail]

who pinged me

[lofty creek]

wdym
do u wanna ask if i know what this is or if theres any news about this thing

[white matrix]

what is it, any papers on it? all I found was a news article on it

[lofty creek]

just a stegosaur found in 2023, along with a basal ceratop
skin preserved
no paper, no news after 2023
uh
it belongs to Jehol biota
quite likely Huajiying or Yixian formation
（its controversial if Huajiying Fm is a valid formation or just Yixian Fm, at least the time range of these two are roughly same, its mainly geographical issues）

the skin and the ceratop

[fluid inlet]

Damn that’s great material

[wind prairie]

?

[lofty creek]

yes

if both walking at top speed, brachio would likely quite faster than stego

its not just bigger=slower when it comes to comparing different animals

[wind prairie]

I knew that ofc their proportions make that evident
I'm just wondering how fast brachi could move itself

[lofty creek]

check jfd twitter
they posted a lot of speed estimate iirc

[lofty creek]

from their twitter

[zealous ravine]

Ojo Alamo is better than Hell Creek, change my mind

[coral forge]

ojo alamo doesn't have an insane amount of turtles

[coral forge]

anyone know if a paralligator skeletal exists anywhere? I cant find one

[orchid rain]

Hi

[manic grail]

yo

[hardy sentinel]

Is there a niche dinosaurs haven't filled at one point or another?

[undone rapids]

Beaver Dinosaur...

Though I guess Sauropods sitting in the middle of a river would qualify as a dam.

[hardy sentinel]

We got dinosaurs filling insect niches before beaver niches

[ashen wedge]

Yes, human dinosaur

[hardy sentinel]

Human isn't a niche

[ashen wedge]

We kinda are….. intelligent beings that conquered the world and made rocks being able to have conversations with each other

[undone rapids]

All of the Mariana Trench Niches

[hardy sentinel]

Intelligence is a human construct, and the rocks talking to each other is an accomplishment

Technically corvids can be seen as world conquering intelligent beings since they're everywhere

[hardy sentinel]

Like scavenger and apex predator?

[ashen wedge]

Intelligence is a trait not a human construct, as corvids are intelligent to solve human made problems, and they are also taming wolves

[hardy sentinel]

Intelligence in the way we see it (as a scale) is a human construct, every animal is intelligent in the sense it can survive it's environment

[opaque kayak]

Do marine forms count

[ancient crystal]

I think that's cheating

[neat notch]

Not a niche, but sapient species?

[hardy sentinel]

I'm pretty sure some parrots and most corvids would count

[neat notch]

I mean like dino civilizations but sure, this counts

[hardy sentinel]

I don't think a civilization counts towards sapience, otherwise we'd have to exclude tribal humans today from being sapient

[neat notch]

I didn't understand your answer, you think tribal humans today aren't sapient?

[coral forge]

was gonna say pollinators but even that has been filled