paleontology

[undone rapids]

Very reliable.

[ashen wedge]

Can’t it simply have been a mating display that also functions as a weapon like a lot of horns do for modern mammals? Or do you want to insist that Pachy would have a cannon head (even though that’s the fun answer)?

[coral forge]

what h0m0 species lived in early chibanian europe?

[drifting condor]

Yes canon

[sudden wind]

I just understood why you've typed H0mo like that lol

Some did : Neandertal, Heidelbergensis and Erectus

[coral forge]

ok 7 neanderthals with spears vs 1 hippopotamus antiquus in an open field

[astral spindle]

How big is antiquus? Likely got downsized since gorgops also weighs 2.8 tonnes now

[coral forge]

bigger than modern hippos that's all I know

[astral spindle]

Over 3+ tons I see.

I mean common hippo bulls weigh 3.2 tonnes often.

[astral spindle]

How sharp were the spears they used?

[astral spindle]

I mean they would probably give up after the hippo tears 1 if them in half.

[outer tusk]

1.6-2.4 tonnes for bulls it seems anything higher are capacity specimens

[astral spindle]

I heard from @coral forge that they grow up to 3.5 tonnes

[outer tusk]

since when

[coral forge]

idk i haven't seen any actual numbers but ive seen most people say theyre larger than modern hippos

[coral forge]

comparable to metal blades apparently

[little mauve]

Neanderthals were large game specialists, they could probably do it

[coral forge]

didn't they also have specialised ungulate spears too

[charred hearth]

who would theroretically be the best and worst parent in PoT?

my guesses for worse would probably be either amarga or meg

[small geyser]

I could see the smaller Coelurosaurs being good parents. Maybe Rex too.

If we had an official oviraptorid in game it would probably be the best parent

[harsh forge]

i feel like leed would have minimal parenting

[charred hearth]

leed would probably accidentally eat its kids

[compact leaf]

smaller sauropods show some evidence of parental care so amarga may not be too bad

[coral forge]

bars or spino are 100% the worst
clunky with an aoe centred kit is never good for your babies

[sudden wind]

Like a lot of large fish lol

[little mauve]

Neanderthal spears are pretty simple, short stabbing weapons but powerful enough to take down rhinos and mammoths

[coral forge]

if its based on how the real animal id say meg would be awful because komodo dragons and perenties are known to cannibalize their kids at birth occasionally

[coral forge]

yeah they were mainly stabbers which is why I gave 7 instead of 5

[little mauve]

5 could do it I reckon, they were some vicious tough bastards

[coral forge]

you know an animal is tough when they go extinct but their dna stays alive in a completely separate species

[little mauve]

Look up healed pathologies on Neanderthal bones, literally out here doing Schwarzenegger stunts on the reg and recovering

[ancient crystal]

I would say its more likely its children were planktonic, so probably no parenting whatsoever

[little mauve]

Proud to say I have extremely high Neanderthal contribution to my DNA, 99.99 percentile 💪

[ancient crystal]

Bro's a different species

[coral forge]

Idk mine but I assume it's pretty high since my entire family is from mainland european descent

[little mauve]

I demand my pristine mammoth steppe habitat be restored for me and my people

[little mauve]

Probably quite high relatively but I honestly got lucky with 2 parents both being carriers of basically every Neanderthal genetic signal

[ancient crystal]

Don't let colossal figure you out otherwise they'll use you in a de-extinction program

[little mauve]

Happy birthday to T. rex btw!

[little mauve]

Lmao that should be the next JP plot tbh

Big hairy hands unlocking a ceratopsid paddock gates....

Cavemen & dinos in the 21st century

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/gogs-cartoon-caveman-funny-apes-gif-15658281

[little mauve]

Thats me 🫡

Neanderthal rights! We are still here!

[coral forge]

Yeah, but the funny thing is I have all of the opposite features of neanderthals

[fluid inlet]

Happy 120th to the king of the tyrant lizards

[limber nova]

[thorn grove]

What if Zhucheng overthrows him what would we do

There would be rioting in the streets and civil wars I assume

[fossil ingot]

I doubt Zucheng would tbh

[warped peak]

There's bigger theropod vertebrae than Zhuch and they didn't change anything

[stiff osprey]

If there was a theropod larger than Tyrannosaurus known from actually reliable material, I assure you that would be a big deal

Nothing changes because all the big ones are always garbage

[thorn grove]

I briefly heard from someone on the team that there’s quite a bit more material than one vert from Zhucheng that rivals large rex specimens but they couldn’t give more details than that for now

We’ll see if that’s true or not lol

[warped peak]

The femur doesn't rival large Rex, only the Vert does

[thorn grove]

They weren’t talking about the femur

I think they meant things that haven’t been released yet

[frigid delta]

Happy 120th Birthday Tyrannosaurus rex ❤️❤️❤️

[fluid inlet]

I don’t doubt lad

[plucky basin]

which was the heaviest carcharodontosaurid?

[stiff osprey]

Giganotosaurus is the strongest contender although Mapusaurus may reach similar or larger sizes

[outer tusk]

hey random I used your allosaurus wide jaw gape for my allo lineart and I was wondering, does it look good?

[fluid inlet]

Starving Allo

[ashen wedge]

Dam, didn’t know today marked the birth of the Tryannosaurus Rex Lineage in the Cretaceous

[fossil ingot]

Why Starving?

[wind prairie]

they evolve so fast 💔

[charred hearth]

out of the 3 walking with's, what would y'all say was the best?

[jagged trellis]

either dinosaurs or beasts by a good bit
monsters are alright( my personal favorite) but very much so abit lower quality

[native kindle]

monsters -> beasts(extremely close 2nd) -> dinosaurs, beasts had the arguably better designs and storytelling but i was not very big on the last episode

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-monsters-water-dwellers-before-the-dinosaurs-hyneria-stethacanthus-gif-3504842306169923042

[thorn grove]

beasts is best, dinosaurs is very good as well, monsters is peak but also stupid

[ancient crystal]

Nothing changes because the second that happens now tyrannosaurus material will get spat up from the depths of hell thats at least a ton larger

Its simply the way of the world

[balmy oyster]

Gomezsaurus vs. big bertha

[charred hearth]

i meant like, your own personal enjoyment

[dry kindle]

Would it be correct to portray tyrannosaurus without lips? I've heard somewhere ( I forget where ) that tyrannosaurus wouldn't be able to close it's mouth properly had it had lips. Is this true, and if so, does this also extend to other tyrannosauroids/tyrannosaurs as a whole?

[dry kindle]

Dinosaurs imo but I did prefer monsters growing up and I still do prefer the paleozoic over the mesozoic or cenozoic because of it

[charred hearth]

well, what about tyrannosaurus would make it unable to have lips?

[ancient crystal]

No, I don't see how having lips would prevent an animal from closing its mouth

[white matrix]

^

[steep atlas]

it's most likely that basically every theropod had lips

[charred hearth]

besides spino

[manic grail]

i think spino is less likely than other theropods to have lips because it has more openings in its jaws for nerve endings and blood vessels or something like that if i remember right

[ancient crystal]

Even then its very possible spino had lips

But yeah, it's kinda stupid that lipless theropods was ever considered correct

[steep atlas]

maybe it had some lip in the back but it gave way to exposed teeth up front. would help reduce drag for fish snatching i figure

[dry kindle]

I’m not sure, that’s why I’m asking here to see if there’s any actually foundation behind that. Apparently the lips would’ve gotten in the way of the jaw closing but I remain a heavy skeptic

[ancient crystal]

They wouldn't have, that's ridiculous

[dry kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[steep atlas]

as far as i'm aware there's no good reason to think that was the case. if anything lips create a sealed mouth that wouldn't be possible otherwise

[charred hearth]

here is where the evidence for spino not having lips comes from

[steep atlas]

apparently, the wear patterns on tyrannosaurids' teeth don't match animals with exposed teeth. they indicate the teeth were covered. source (article, not original paper): https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/t-rex-had-lips-that-concealed-its-teeth-study-says-180981914/

[steep atlas]

i'm very glad it's not lips like this

[manic grail]

maybe thats the kind of lips they meant when saying it wouldnt be able to close its mouth if it has lips

[steep atlas]

disgusting. t rex would become my least favorite animal

[stiff osprey]

weird how there are real people who think only humans have lips

[charred hearth]

do bugs have lips

[steep atlas]

who thinks that

[stiff osprey]

the people who make the t.rex with botox supermodel lip images

[steep atlas]

well no but yes. they have a multi-appendage mouth so it doesn't close like ours but there is like a top flap piece (labrum)

[steep atlas]

you're just jealous you don't have lips like that

[charred hearth]

oh i forgot to ask, how accurate was the scene of the dimetredons eating the hatchling baby dimetredons?

[steep atlas]

seems about right to me

definitely plausible

[hexed junco]

Where can I find reliable information about dinosaurs?

[steep atlas]

wikipedia is pretty good. can also look up papers on google scholar or just read the papers linked on wikipedia

[hexed junco]

Thank you.

[charred hearth]

why do teachers not to use wikipedia then

[steep atlas]

it's not a primary source when you're citing sources in a research paper

wikipedia is good for learning though

[lavish frigate]

Is this how boomers release their inner edgy teen that got repressed when they were younger, this is just unfunny enough to make me think that 💀

[charred hearth]

is this true

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Nova's Torvosaurus?

[balmy oyster]

best one yet

[balmy oyster]

interestingly, yes

though it probably didn't swim around much because I think it died when it was a juvenile

[wary junco]

Yeah polycephalic Hyphalosaurus is real, but as others pointed out it died as a juvenile

[fluid inlet]

What’s the average weight of tyrannosaurus sex and trike

[coral forge]

8.1 for rex, no average for trike

[fluid inlet]

How could there not be a average don’t we have a significant amount of triceratop fossils 🤔

[tough parcel]

Implying anyone has described this significant amount is hilarious

[coral forge]

Idk that was my thought too
Ig its a case of quality vs quantity or smth

[tough parcel]

There's like 5 papers on Triceratops and that's just in general iirc, there's even less describing the actual fossils

[fluid inlet]

Yeah its interesting, for having so much material.

[coral forge]

I usually just use 7.3 for trike since thats the closest size I can find to random's trike skeletal but that might not be a good way to do it

[tough parcel]

That's not, Random's Trike is a very large specimen

[fluid inlet]

Someone had a list for a whole bunch of different trikes size estimates, including Willard.

Don’t remember who to.

[undone rapids]

You could just avg this out, dunno the ages though

[fluid inlet]

That’s the one

[tough parcel]

Oh it's Random, they got the sources ong

[fluid inlet]

You got size estimates for Sue and Scotty ? iiirc around 10s ton correct

[undone rapids]

Yeah around 10 tonnes for both

[ancient crystal]

The average for triceratops is at least 3

[coral forge]

yeah that was random. Their trike skeletal says 7.9m so I just use the weight for the 7.94m listed

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[fossil ingot]

10.3 tons for Sue using Random's Sue and 10.45 iirc for Dan's Scotty

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-wubzzy-what-the-hell-fooled-bamboozled-gif-5851746728379269810

the joke was deliberately made btw (R is so far off os S)

[charred hearth]

i cant believe australia is now landlocked

[winter marsh]

[coral forge]

what makes scotty so much heavier than sue? Like theres only a 20cm length difference but a 450kg weight difference

also is there a length estimate for cope and goliath or are they not reliable enough to be used in a size comparison

[compact leaf]

the weight difference between the two is pretty negligible when you consider an animal that size, lunch could put one over the other on a given day

[fossil ingot]

"So much heavier"
Bro they are 150kgs apart😭

Sue is 10.3 tonnes with Random Skeletal, his 10t one undersizes the ilium and ischium
"10.3t sue comes from the fact that the ilium and ischium in my skeletal are undersized (newer measurements in perssons 2019 upsized the ilium and i did not have ischium measurements originally so it became larger as well)"

As seen here, Sue and Scotty are pretty much the same size

Random's Sue is 12.4m
And Prett Sure Dan's Scotty is also about if not the same

[scenic flame]

it would be the other way around, if it were lipless it wouldn't be able to close it's mouth properly

[coral forge]

so sue was 10.3 not 10.0 but it just got fatter not longer?

[ionic crescent]

They would have lips, but if you depict it with komodo like gums and lips then yes, hard to close and shed teeth as well

[plush fossil]

isnt it said that if they didnt have lips their teeth would get super dried out and damaged or whatever?

[opaque kayak]

He got 9.3 tons for scotty so using his it's 700 kg lighter hmmm 🤔

[coral forge]

would goliath scale to 12.86m if you base it of sue

[fossil ingot]

13.1m like the one I Shared Above
Cope Scaled off Random's Sue is about 12.7m

[outer tusk]

Dude I love to glaze paleoart like this

CAUSE THIS IS SO DAMN GOOD LIKE 😭 https://fixupx.com/Urart3/status/1974813275830304837?t=Qm_yTuq5mGv7e3C_LTAQCQ&s=19

Urart🫀🇵🇸🇻🇪 (@Urart3)

Dinosaurs are uncomfortably flexible
︀︀(By Riamus)

Quoting The One Spooky Utahraptor (JWE3 HYPE) 🦖🧬👾🐲 (@Cretaceous27738)
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FixupX · Oct 5, 2025, 12:25 PM

[fossil ingot]

Basically
Using Random's Retcom atleast

[fossil ingot]

Order is
Goliath scaled off Random's Sue, Cope Scaled off Random's Sue, Dan's Scotty, Random's Sue, Franoys Stan, AMNH 5027, Wankel

[coral forge]

wait so how big is goliath's femur
because a 1371mm femur would get 12.86 would it not?

[fossil ingot]

Its baser Scaling off Random's Sue
Cope gets to 12.7m scaling off Sue.
If you wanna Sue Goliath is only 3% Bigger than Sue yeah, Sue is also weird cause has some things sayi g its Femur is 1380cm lol

[drifting condor]

15 Allosaurus europaeus vs 5 spinosaurus?

[fossil ingot]

So easy answer is
Don't use Goliath LOL

[charred hearth]

this will be a stupid question but would be getting bitten by a large sauropod hurt>

[sudden wind]

Blud didn't properly read the figures : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4975041/

[coral forge]

yeah, scaling a 1371mm femur with random's Sue gets 12.9m

[little mauve]

Depends on the sauropod. A diplodocoid probably couldn't do much damage but a camarasaur could bite you in half

[coral forge]

I'm not using goliath as an actual size. I'm just adding rexes to my edmont size chart and since I included X-Rex and becky's giant I figured I'd include cope and goliath

[opaque kayak]

TBF I think the whole goliath mismeasurements come from scans which got the 13.5 ton Sue as well 😔

[fossil ingot]

Real

[thorn grove]

tbh I'm becoming increasingly Saurolophin pilled on X-Rex and Becky's Giant

[sullen cairn]

Enter step 2: trust that professionals can distinguish lambeosaur and saurolophine nasals (ignore nothing new has come of this in the past 20 years)

[thorn grove]

Trust

[tough parcel]

Me when I don't read the caption

[outer tusk]

ONG (like WHY would ANYONE hate on my glorious king )

[wind prairie]

no shot australovenator could move its feet like that

[stiff osprey]

yeah this is a misinterpretation, the bones on their own can do this, but with tendons and other soft tissue on top mobility would be less

[dusk birch]

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago+field+museum+spinosaurus&oq=&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDwgAECMYJxjqAhiABBiKBTIPCAAQIxgnGOoCGIAEGIoFMgkIARAjGCcY6gIyDwgCECMYJxjqAhiABBiKBTISCAMQIxgnGOoCGIAEGIoFGPAFMgwIBBAjGCcY6gIY8AUyDwgFECMYJxjqAhiABBiKBTIPCAYQIxgnGOoCGIAEGIoFMgkIBxAjGCcY6gIyCQgIECMYJxjqAjIPCAkQIxgnGOoCGIAEGIoFMg8IChAjGCcY6gIYgAQYigUyDwgLECMYJxjqAhiABBiKBTIPCAwQIxgnGOoCGIAEGIoFMg8IDRAjGCcY6gIYgAQYigUyDwgOECMYJxjqAhiABBiKBTIRCA8QABgDGEIYjwEYtAIY6gIyEQgQEAAYAxhCGI8BGLQCGOoCMhEIERAAGAMYQhiPARi0AhjqAjIPCBIQLhgDGI8BGLQCGOoCMhEIExAAGAMYQhiPARi0AhjqAtIBBi0xajBqN6gCFLACAfEF7ZTZ8W7h96LxBe2U2fFu4fei&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ebo=0

[balmy oyster]

Jurassic world

[charred hearth]

what was the lesson of all the jurassic world movies?? becasue jurassic park was about how you shouldnt play god, jurassic park: lost world taught you why you humans shouldnt interfere with nature and jurassic park 3 taught you that spinosaurus was awesome

[tough parcel]

She Spino on my saurus til I aegyptiacus

[balmy oyster]

Jurassic park 4 would have taught “hey maybe we shouldn’t make catgirls”

[hardy sentinel]

Why are people so on board with feathering on small Ornithopods but the second you add mild filimentous feathers onto an Edmontosaurus (similar to african elephant hair) they tell you how innacurate it is

[fluid inlet]

conversation sweep

[warped peak]

I explicitly included "voluntarily" because of how funny it was to me

[compact leaf]

because edmontosaurus has a mummy with skin

[outer tusk]

GNG HUH

[charred hearth]

They were dinosaur and human mutants in the original jurassic park 4

real concept art /srs

[river plinth]

What the FU- did they do to triceratops 😭

[charred hearth]

is it a good thing or a bad thing they never made it into any of the movies

[hardy sentinel]

hair like structures don't preserve allat well in fossil mummies, especially just the small lil structures

[river plinth]

Glad this was cut dawg cause like what even are these 💀

[opal acorn]

is this thing i found real

i snatched the screenshot from another discord, they prob cropped out that name on the bottom right

that is some weird looking neck

[charred hearth]

is that sans the skeleton

[opal acorn]

wait nvm im an idiot i looked closer and its just a poorly drawn edit of a existing thing

the neck is just some doodle

[opaque kayak]

I thought this was the eye and was terrified

[opal acorn]

i think its just a poorly edited quetz or hatz

[zealous ravine]

Yeah it's a joke edit of Lancian's Hatz lmao

[white matrix]

hey guys
so if the person that discovered apex and made the mount for it also made the exhibit that states apex the stegosaurus is 8.2 meters than it is definitely 8.2 meters right?

[zealous ravine]

Probably not, they have reason to exaggerate if it means selling it for more

[fluid inlet]

I’d take their word for it over someone who has never seen the material.

[jagged trellis]

hmm

[zealous ravine]

Fair, but I feel like it’s best to wait until a trusted expert can observe it first-hand before coming to any conclusions

[white matrix]

is the paleontologist that discovered it and mounted not a trusted expert? + American museum of natural history

at least its still pretty wide

the woman is 5'1" btw

that femur is 100% above 120 cms

[thorn grove]

I did a crude measurement and it's ~115 cm

it's entirely possible the total length is wrong for some reason but I doubt it's because the material is just bigger than it should be

[white matrix]

@thorn grove use this

[thorn grove]

I'm just saying if you use a 5'1" woman as a scale in that image the femur comes out to ~115 cm

[white matrix]

can you use the scale bar on the femur in just sent

[thorn grove]

~125 cm

I'm literally just putting a ruler to my screen and calculating from that so I wouldn't take these too seriously

[fluid inlet]

She’s 5’6

[thorn grove]

then it's ~124 cm

again it's possible apex's mount is longer than it should be but it would be because of some funny business with the vertebral column, I don't see why they would mount it with a larger femur than it actually had

[white matrix]

no... shes 5'1
I know this because she said it on her Instagram

[white matrix]

all the green is original material to apex
also the biggest tibia i found was on gat's ungulatus skeletal with 74 cms
I dont know where derpystego is getting ypm 1388 with 84.5...

[fluid inlet]

Imagine just getting paid to be a size reference , respect

[opaque kayak]

Person scalebar 🗣️

[manic grail]

free money

[azure warren]

I should have taken science Paleontology is so cool

[languid cedar]

Hey folks this is ID'd as a tibia from an Abelisaurid but it seems to be too long and thin its 16 inches in length id expect something from an Abelisaurid to be much stouter. I'm looking for opinions could this be from a Juvenile Carcharodontosaurus? It's from Moroccos Kem Kem beds.

[undone rapids]

it doesn't look like an abelisaur tibia.

[storm heron]

Pycno's tibia is something else oooof

[undone rapids]

It is a Hammer

[storm heron]

Imagine the size of the muscle attachments on that thing.

[balmy oyster]

I will say, it does sort of remind me of acrocantho’s femur

Though it being so proportionally short in comparison is interesting

More in line with TTT ngl

[languid cedar]

According to a Paleontologist from the Porrentruy museum in Switzerland it is an Abelisaurid tiba however I disagree with this so wanted some opinions. It looks more like a femur from a Carcharodontosaurus to me or perhaps a larger Deltadromeus.

[hallow spear]

This agrees with the reported measurement of 1137, the femur is not above 1120mm

[opaque kayak]

Pliosaurus rossicus, a large jurassic pliosaur

[zealous ravine]

Been dabbling in making skeletals lately

[charred hearth]

do yo utake ideas

please do my beloved lingwulong

[manic grail]

Found this picture in the internet. Y'all think mosasaurs could have looked this much like komodo dragons/monitor lizards?

[zealous ravine]

Maybe, the description skeletal is quite good, I'm focusing more on stuff lacking skeletals

[ashen wedge]

Deadly manatee

[hasty cargo]

Probably not as much: the head looks a bit too chunky, and the neck too flexible

[manic grail]

hmm i see

[hasty cargo]

That’s just my general observation of mosasaurs and Komodo dragons in general

[hardy sentinel]

why is it above a censored computer

Bruh I hate how video game devs are associating tall vertebrae with being semi aquatic 🥀

[thorn grove]

it's the only possible explanation, apparently

[charred hearth]

if you have fun and creative takes on dinosaurs that arent realisitc you DIE

[fluid inlet]

Just don’t play it , simple

[charred hearth]

humble this mammal rumble

[hardy sentinel]

Chat i'm not saying don't have fun making dinos but literally just don't make them follow the same damn theme we've always seen

I'd fw Hippo Edmontosaurus more

[thorn mica]

Evidence for Semi-Aquatic Lifestyle
1. Bone Density – Studies show Spinosaurus had unusually dense bones, similar to animals like penguins and hippos. Dense bones help them stay submerged rather than float — a strong clue it spent time in water.
2. Tail Structure – A 2020 study found that its tail was long, flexible, and fin-shaped, like a paddle — ideal for swimming.
3. Snout and Teeth – Its long, crocodile-like snout and conical teeth suggest it was adapted to catching slippery prey such as fish.
4. Nostrils Placement – Its nostrils were higher up on its head, which would help it breathe while partly submerged.

These devs are trying to stay as accurate as possible, even changing skin and looks when new information comes out about Dino

[warped peak]

None of these are relevant to Ouranosaurus or Concavenator

[plucky basin]

its tuff tho

[thorn mica]

My apologies I thought it was about the spinosaurus and I was like what no way, but I don’t see them with any semi aquatic skill set in the game

[hardy sentinel]

That's an Ouranosaurus not a Spinosaurus

[thorn mica]

Yeah, I already corrected myself right above this message

[hardy sentinel]

Didn't see the correction message, this is all I saw when I opened the channel, I apologize

[foggy crypt]

What is Makima doing with a Pliosaur?! 😂

[compact crow]

Got to touch what is thought to be Dilo prints today 🖤🦖😎

[fluid inlet]

Totally not jealous ,

[hardy sentinel]

You walked where one of the greats once walked

[balmy oyster]

hippo anky better

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[balmy oyster]

I mean there was a study done that showed at least with edmonto specifically, wasn't one of the better swimmers

makes sense with anky cus "walks on the riverbed", conca cus "lived in pretty watery habitats" and ourano cus...uh...idk lurdu

[charred hearth]

ourano lived in a pretty watery habitat too, no?

[balmy oyster]

yea

[ashen wedge]

I’m certain of that about 90%

[fluid inlet]

New Haolonggood dinosaur drop https://x.com/haolonggood/status/1975393970344820849?s=46

Haolonggood Fans (@Haolonggood)

#Haolonggood | #Einiosaurus Video.

X · Oct 7, 2025, 2:53 AM

[hardy sentinel]

I thought it was Anky because the isle said why not, conca cuz high vertebrae like Spinosaurus, Ourano cuz high vertebrae like Spinosaurus

[river plinth]

poor orinosarus in there is getting love everywhere else the show are vegan spino it gets eaten or already dead 😭

[coral forge]

almost as if video game devs want to give players a more fun and unique experience by giving their dinosaurs speculative behaviours based on their environment
a lot of animals that live in wet areas are very good swimmers despite being fully terrestrial and having absolutely zero skeletal evidence to show for it, so why should that only apply to modern animals?
I do agree that PoT conc's swimming is insanely exaggerated but EoE ourano looks alright, mabye a bit too fast but its not like theyre making it a full on aquatic brawler.

[hardy sentinel]

They're making it a proper semi aquatic

[coral forge]

have they shown any aquatic abilities that arent just diving?
because afaik the only ability they've revealed for ourano is a claw swipe

[fluid inlet]

Just don’t play it lmao

[hardy sentinel]

I can complain about shi and still like it yk

I like the uniqueness but at the same time it's meh

[coral forge]

you cant really complain about it being a full scale exclusive semi aquatic when literally the only water ability they've revealed is the ability to dive
at least wait for more abilities to be revealed

[manic grail]

idk i just found the image on google

[hardy sentinel]

How is the ability system gonna work? Is it gonna be like the isle's or PoT?

[coral forge]

they haven't said anything about the ability system which is why I think its unfair to already judge so harshly
they've released 1 video displaying abilities and it was a group of theropods vs ourano from a spectators pov where no UI was shown
based on the video it looks more similar to the isle though

[coral forge]

how fast would a late juvenile/early adolescent rex be? Like Jane or younger

[undone rapids]

Probably 50-55 kph, they're pretty fast

[coral forge]

I thought they'd be faster
huh

[undone rapids]

Could be, idk if there's more estimates for em

The estimates of Alectrosaurus, Juvi Gorgo and Appalacihosaurus should be similar to jane

[coral forge]

Im starting to lose trust in this formula because it gives 102-121km/h for Jane depending on which source you use for the femur 💔

[tough parcel]

Or are you doing it wrong because I'm 99% sure Jane was already calculated with this formula

[ancient crystal]

So what you're telling me is that I can say Tyrannosaurus ran at up to 100 km/h

[undone rapids]

Yes

[coral forge]

I tried 4 times and didnt get below 100 so idk

[coral forge]

Jane and juve gorgo have almost identical proportions so should I just go slightly lower than the juve gorgo listed

[stiff osprey]

indeed it was, and it gets 55-60km/h

[plush fossil]

Speaking of tyrannosaurus, younger ones filled a different hunting niche than their adult counterparts right? I think I heard that somewhere

[undone rapids]

Yeah they were very good at running compared to other theropod families at similar size.

[plush fossil]

Very interesting

[coral forge]

wait then why is gorgo listed as the fastest juve theropod if juve rex is faster
or is Jane adolescent

[tough parcel]

Cause it wasn't calculated in the book tmk?

I forget where it was done

[stiff osprey]

i suspect he didn't calculate it because the femur is incomplete (or one of the main leg elements is, i forget which)

[tough parcel]

Idk

[full vale]

bars?

[hardy sentinel]

I never said all

[astral spindle]

What would be the hitting force of an 8 tonne stegosaurus?

[manic grail]

7.9 ton stegosaurus

[full lagoon]

From what I understand Ankylosaurs were still buoyant but probably couldn't stay upright well due to the comparative density of their armor

So they'd probably be about as competent as a large tortoise in water (very poorly)

[tough parcel]

Well no, they'd sink because of their armor (Going to use EoFauna's press release since they directly helped iirc)
Even denser may have been some species of heavily armored ankylosaurs, probably preventing them from surface swimming.
https://www.eofauna.com/publications/dinosaur-densities-press-release

[little mauve]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018217312452#:~:text=Frequency of overturned ankylosaurs is,bloat-and-float”.&text=Differential bloating behaviour of ankylosaurids,more often in marine paleoenvironments.&text=Ankylosaur taphonomy may help to explain upside-down glyptodont occurrences. is the tipping ankylosaur paper, fwiw nodosaurs were found to be much more unstable in water than ankylosaurs- with Euplocephalus at least actually performing quite well at least from a stability standpoint

but as the previously linked paper articulates in 3.2.7 ankylosaur densities when factoring for lung capacity and armor makes floating a moot point to begin with

[full lagoon]

Yeah, taking both of these articles into account, flipping over most likely occured after death, although nodosaurs would have been a bit less stable in the water regardless.

[severe yew]

dinosaur soft tissue has been preserved, even after millions of years, whether some of you like it or not

life finds a way...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51680-1

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[thorn grove]

Wdym “whether some of you like it or not”

[severe yew]

some of y'all just like to contradict my amazing dino knowledge

[balmy oyster]

Bro invented an argument and won against it

[undone rapids]

Ghostsaurus...

[severe yew]

that is a sure way to win every argument 😆

https://tenor.com/view/claynosaurz-clayno-dinosaur-reaction-3d-gif-14563556026054382028

[iron halo]

is this advanced strawmanning

[outer tusk]

yes

[charred hearth]

how accurate was walking with beasts statement that ambulocetus had a niche similar to crocodiles and sucked at it?

[stiff osprey]

crocodile niche, maybe, idk

sucked at it, we wouldn't have its fossils if it did

[wind prairie]

tbf in ouranosaurus's case iirc it lived in a place with lots of water

[wind prairie]

jane is not a juvenile rex

[hazy basalt]

I think I've finally found what I believe is the most accurate Albertosaurus depiction to date. It got lips, it got good anatomy, and most of all it actually got the skin right. I'm in love.

[wind prairie]

why tf is everyone calling it a juvenile rex
you think animals can lose alveoli as part of their growth cycle??

[stiff osprey]

bro is acting like this wasn't the scientific consensus until now

[ancient crystal]

But of course they can, Tyrannosaurs is just the only animal we know that can do it

[stiff osprey]

they call jane a juvenile rex because as far as existing literature is concerned, it is, and will probably continue to be for at least a year or two before the hyoid data comes out

[charred hearth]

rex is the second largest animal in PoT, right?

[ancient crystal]

By combat weight or irl counter part? Because one of those is not a question for here

[brave nova]

It’s the largest both in game and irl (theropod wise) on the official roster

[severe yew]

why would it matter?

there are only 28 of this figures, so good luck getting one

[severe yew]

because it is, and yes 🍻

[hazy basalt]

I can still appreciate them online! And they are still making unpainted ones...if you're welling to shell out 200$

[severe yew]

and do you know what is even better?

go to see real fossils at a museum 👍

[warped peak]

Considering it can't really walk, probably not the best

[severe yew]

and honestly, i would not pay $200 for an unpainted figure

how big is it?

[warped peak]

In all fairness, if animals can gain Alveoli as they age, I dont think this is much different

Especially considering some Noasaurs become toothless as adults

[hazy basalt]

1/15 💀

[stiff osprey]

1/15 alberto is like 60cm ish

[severe yew]

oh, okay, at least is not so small

[river plinth]

Jesus eo is so small they should have just chose triceratops or Torosaurus 😭

[brave nova]

What’s funny is that it’s heavier than bar 🥀

[river plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[river plinth]

That is pretty funny

[brave nova]

Weight wise
Rex- 11.1t
Spino- 8.5t
Duck- 7t
Tyranno- 6.7t
Eo- 6.2t
Bar- 5.5t

[charred hearth]

funfact, trike actually won the poll, they jsut used eo anyways

[charred hearth]

wasnt bars in the 7 ton range i thought?

[brave nova]

It was, then something changed with how it was reconstructed and it’s down to 5.5t

[charred hearth]

what changed?

[river plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-angry-mad-gif-11716973

[brave nova]

Unsure on what exactly changed. Just whatever it was made it slightly shorter and lose a couple tons

[charred hearth]

a diet called

[winter marsh]

Eo had larger estimates than trike because it was actually a bobblehead, but with new studies it got shrunk and now has a very big head compared to the body

they have similar sized skulls but Trike was built like a bulldozer and Eo was built like a forklift

[brave nova]

Eo still weighs a decent amount. Recent gdi for it put it at 6.2t

[winter marsh]

still, very big head

[winter marsh]

thank god my boy got fattened up instead of being Alberta sized which is now Avaceratops sized for some reason

[fluid inlet]

The game doesn’t reflect these sizes

[brave nova]

I never said they did

[winter marsh]

I pray to god we find a very obese Theri fossil so we can bump it from 5 to 8 tons mauahahahah

[fluid inlet]

Also which rex u using to indicate because cope didn’t exist when path made their rex

[brave nova]

The comparison is just of the official 5 slots and there current biggest irl sizes. I used cope as said by the specimen number

[river plinth]

Partially but it's mostly the apexs that get oversized with the concept of the subs being different dinos that's still related like 1 of eos subs just being trike

[brave nova]

If we use the pot sizes of them then it’s
Rex- ~12-13t
Bar- ~10-13t
Spino- ~11t
Duck- ~9-10t
Tyranno- ~9-10t
Eo- ~7t

Roughly, this is scaling up the irl animals to the pot lengths since the proportions are near the same

[river plinth]

God forbid they add a larger sorapod

[brave nova]

I doubt they ever will, iirc they said they had no interest (swear I heard it from them somewhere)

[fluid inlet]

Good thing the isle and echoes of extinction aren’t afraid of big sauropods

[river plinth]

I just want my apatosaurus or alamosaurus 😭

[fluid inlet]

EOE will have diplodocus and isle will have Camarasaurus soon and brachiosaurus later

[marsh tapir]

Let us please keep this channel on paleo related topics, exclusively. Thank you very much.

[fluid inlet]

Alamosaurus would be peak tho for sure

[winter marsh]

they said that if they would, the limit would be about 30 tons which would be around Camarasaurus

maybe in the future, post release, where dinos who are released after will be paid

[river plinth]

Its definitely pot playable material since it's not to big

[fluid inlet]

Imagine being called path of titans and there is no titan sauropods around 😭

[winter marsh]

there is a lot of tyrannoTITANS tho

and amarga uwu

[fluid inlet]

Tbh I’d prob crash out if they made a huge sauropod and knowing how they balance it will take 5 tail whips to kill a 1 slot.

[thorn grove]

6000 combat weight

[fossil ingot]

Thats using a Wider Torso than the one Random uses for his Trike
You can decrease this to like 5t using Random's Torso which is Demphys

[wind prairie]

that doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[charred hearth]

uhmk umh, absence of evidence is not evidence within itself or whatever they say?

[fossil ingot]

Currently?
Yeah
Once leeds is out then Fish

[charred hearth]

what will be bigger then leed...

[warped peak]

Whale Shark

[quasi token]

tylosaurus sweep /j

[balmy oyster]

Any giant sauropod if it’s ever added

[wind prairie]

???
there literally is evidence, it just hasn't been published yet

[river plinth]

Chat is this beast real???

[thorn grove]

Elands are real, yea

[balmy oyster]

The elephant is also immature so it makes the eland look even more gigantic

[severe yew]

the "beast" is real, the video is obviously fake

it is funny how in this age people fall for stuff like this all over

[balmy oyster]

I mean this is real, it’s just the perspective makes it seem different

[severe yew]

if the elephant is a juvenile, maybe

[stiff osprey]

definitely real, it looks big because of the low to the ground camera + baby elephant

well not a baby per se as it has tusks but probably a young female

[severe yew]

i see 😂

the thing is, nowadays in the age of AI, it is very hard to trust the veracity of most videos

[balmy oyster]

Honestly, it’s definitely getting close but it’s not fully undefinable

AI still oversmooths & oversaturates everything when in comparison to real footage/animation

[severe yew]

and where the hell are the tusks? am i going blind now?

[balmy oyster]

There’s also the video being in the Internet for some years now too

[severe yew]

i have seen some AI videos so realistic that it could frighten anyone from the beginning of the new millennium

https://tenor.com/view/brian-omnistorm-stare-brian-stare-edit-brian-anime-brian-omnistorm-gif-748324670000770369

[balmy oyster]

No you’re right, my dad just showed me a video of some kid feeding a bear candy, but the movement and positioning was off just by a smidge

Sorra 2 is the beginning of a new era

[severe yew]

i saw a vidoe of a toddler feeding a crocodile candy in front of his house as the croc slowly approached, the mom came to the rescue

i had a feeling it was fake, but i showed it to some people who thought was 100% real

[fluid inlet]

Lmao missed a update

[jagged trellis]

( also hasn't that video existed for several years atp? let alone the original footage date which i don't know when it got to be)
the eland

[charred hearth]

who would be the 3 fastest animals in Path of titans if it was like, real life ( not counting swimming / flight )

1 - struthi
but whos 2 and 3rd?

[coral forge]

1 - struthi
2 - alio
3 - juve rex
probably

[balmy oyster]

Sounds about right ngl

[coral forge]

juve dasp and conc would probably be 4th and 5th mabye
large azdarchids were very fast sprinters right?

[manic grail]

what about top 3 slowest on land? (No fully aquatics)

[coral forge]

spino rex and like bars/ano/eo

baby 1 slots would probably be quite slow too

[tough parcel]

Alio’s slower than juvie Rex smhsmh

[coral forge]

how fast is alio
I got 60km/h for it a while ago

(I know it doesnt have a complete tibia so it wont be fully accurate but still)

[verbal wave]

Oh yeah that thing
It's as real as it can get

But the elephant in the video isn't fully grown

I think they're called Elands

[manic grail]

Wouldnt amarga be the slowest herbivore?

[coral forge]

I assume dwarf sauropods would be relatively speedy in comparison to the 5 slots

[native kindle]

anodonto, stego and mira i imagine
thyreophorans were unbelievably slow

[river plinth]

Funny to think stego is probably one of the most dangerous apex herbivores of its time and it was completely avoidable cause it barly moves 💀

[manic grail]

quick enough to hit allosaurus in the ballz

[jagged trellis]

got high combat speed but 0 travel speed ong

[hardy sentinel]

Wasn't even the top ten of it's time (or formation)

[jagged trellis]

ima take a guess and say because of the 80 billion different sauropods in it

[charred hearth]

campto dosent crack top 5?

[full lagoon]

I have no idea why but everything I look up relating to campto speed puts it at pitiful top speeds

Which couldn't possibly be true if it managed to survive against predators back then

[charred hearth]

i mean...limayasaurus and nigersaurus werent the fastest either

[full lagoon]

This either means that their top speeds are being downplayed or they had some other ingenious survival strategies

[tough parcel]

Or perhaps it just threw hands

[full lagoon]

Yeah campto is not small at all as well, but it would still need to avoid things like allosaurs obv

[charred hearth]

what about breeding fast

[full lagoon]

That technically counts as well, but I'm not sure if that would be enough alone

[charred hearth]

again, limayasaurus and nigersaurus

[full lagoon]

Another large factor could have been their preferred ranges within their habitat, possibly making predation more limited

[tough parcel]

The Allosaurus didn't have a preferred range

[full lagoon]

Moreso talking about the presence of dense cover or obstacles that could have made it harder to give chase

[full lagoon]

Regardless, they'd have to have a level of competency above just sitting around and being eaten

[charred hearth]

sunfish:

[full lagoon]

Sunfish are actually pretty well designed creatures lol

[last adder]

It doesn't make much sense to compare a dino to fish which usually lay thousands of eggs, also, sunfish do have adaptations that make them less desirable targets towards most predators

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-tiktok-sunfish-lips-kiss-kiss-gif-6556856422857579148

[full lagoon]

Yeah it looks stupid but that doesn't mean that it's adaptations aren't viable

Intelligence is not necessarily equal to competency in the wild

[last adder]

Most of their body is very unpleasant tasting and nutritionally void

[charred hearth]

i didnt say it was stupid 🙁

[full lagoon]

My point being that these dinosaurs must've had something that gave them a survival advantage despite looking unviable to so many people

And I personally believe their capabilities are still downplayed or not fully understood

[undone rapids]

Don't be seen, don't get hit, etc

Protection onion or something

[little mauve]

Foster 2013 found some evidence of association between Camptosaurus and sandstone deposits, possibly relating to ecological preferences. Toothwear also suggests they were preferentially eating tougher vegetation than other herbivores, that's mentioned in Foster's book Jurassic West. So there's some evidence of habitat preference being a thing for Camptosaurus. If and how that relates to predation is unknown (https://www.leatherandshoes.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/foster_2013_10_3.pdf)

[full lagoon]

Idk but 15mph/24kmph seems stupidly slow for campto

[stiff osprey]

maybe if you're used to the way it runs ingame but for a 1.5 ton, very non cursorial animal 24km/h aint bad

[little mauve]

For a large one? Not really, they have fairly robust and compact proportions. Like others have said a big one could probably fight if not subdued quickly by a comparably sized theropod. Smaller ones would be faster, hatchlings and juveniles would be quick and good at hiding. Camptosaurus had a relatively high EQ for a dinosaur too, possibly supporting more complex herding or social defense strategies

[compact leaf]

I forget how fat campto could get

[ancient crystal]

They're also some of the newest fish to evolve so take that for what you will

[full lagoon]

Perhaps, but much heavier animals alive today easily surpass these speeds

[stiff osprey]

they don't actually, top speed for an elephant is ~25km/h and we have no real good data on how fast white rhinos or hippos can run

[full lagoon]

An elephant is way outside the range of a campto first off

[compact leaf]

what does allosaurus come in at in terms of speed? I can never remember speeds honestly

[stiff osprey]

you said 'way larger animals', there are five species of land animal larger than camptosaurus today and three of them are elephants

[full lagoon]

Also an elephant is actually more like 25mph at max

[ancient crystal]

Really puts it into perspective how large lots of mesozoic fauna was

[compact leaf]

campto exceeding giraffes in weight is obscene I don’t like that

[stiff osprey]

that's based on studies from the early 1900s that used dubious methods. no one has ever actually recorded an elephant going faster than 21km/h, though some scientists suspect they reach 25

[full lagoon]

Why wouldn't a comparatively slim creature with well built legs not be able to match that?

[little mauve]

It wasn't slim

[stiff osprey]

24km/h is faster than 21km/h

[full lagoon]

I wasn't talking about km/h btw

[stiff osprey]

regardless, there is no 25mph elephant, and there is no 30mph hippo or rhinoceros either (maybe for black rhinos, which are smaller, but definitely not white rhinos)

[full lagoon]

21 mph is more like 34 kmph btw

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[stiff osprey]

why does that matter? the fastest elephant ever recorded was 21 km/h, not mph

[full lagoon]

That's not what I'm seeing

[stiff osprey]

i mean, look at any modern speed estimate for Tyrannosaurus, which are between 12-20 mph

if you look at the leg anatomy of Tyrannosaurus and an elephant, the idea that T.rex would be the slower of the two is ridiculous

[compact leaf]

there’s lots of reports of elephants moving faster than that but none have ever been actually verified, same goes for hippos

[full lagoon]

If the average max top speed of a human is like 24kmph, then why can those two animals easily outdo that?

[stiff osprey]

my bad, the fastest recorded elephant was running 24.5 km/h, not 21

https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/209/19/3812/16362/The-locomotor-kinematics-of-Asian-and-African

aka 15.2 miles an hour

[stiff osprey]

did you mean to say can or can't? because both camptosaurus and elephants have similar running speeds to a human

[full lagoon]

I'm incredibly confused because I'm seeing tons of conflicting information regarding the speeds of an elephant

[stiff osprey]

''Most literature has focused on maximal speeds and is rife with confusion and misinformation. For Asian elephants, Baker (Baker, 1890) was cited by Muybridge (Muybridge, 1899) as observing a maximal speed of 6.7 m s-1 (15 mph) and others often quoted this speed or similar values, although the fastest speed claimed was 8.9 m s-1 (Spinage, 1994). Baker's anecdotal speed estimate (Baker, 1890) was confirmed by video analysis of elephants on racetracks (Hutchinson et al., 2003), documenting the fastest verifiable near-maximal speed of Asian elephants at 6.8 m s-1 (15 mph). African elephants have been stated to move anywhere from this ∼4 m s-1 [9 mph (Muybridge,1899; Alexander and Maloiy, 1989)] to a dubious 13 m s-1 [30 mph (Alexander, 2000)]. A speed of 11 m s-1 ''charging, across 120 yards'' [25 mph (Andrews, 1937) (cited by Garland, 1983; Howell, 1944); similar speedometer estimate claimed (Le Rue, III, 1994)] is often cited, although other studies have used somewhat lower speeds [10 m s-1 (Bakker, 1975; Hildebrand and Hurley, 1985); 9.7 m s-1 revised estimate(Garland, 1983); 9.5 m s-1 (Iriarte-Díaz,2002)]. We consider African elephant near-maximal speeds to be undocumented, and present new data that point toward a solution of this mystery. In addition, we identify what peak values other stride parameters reach at such speeds, for comparison with other animals.''

from the paper above

21 km/h was actually the highest speed recorded for an african elephant in this study, while the fastest asian elephant was 24.5 km/h

[full lagoon]

Well then this must mean the 25mph elephant is actually a huge mistake despite being everywhere

[stiff osprey]

it probably means chasing an elephant with a car and checking the speedometer isn't actually a good way to time elephant running

[full lagoon]

This also gives me a slightly better gauge on the most recent tyrannosaurus speed estimates

[thorn grove]

this happens surprisingly often in science, random old estimates just get spread as fact for decades without being cross checked

or maybe I should say with science media but still

[full lagoon]

That sucks, because it seems they got my perception of speed for certain animals skewed. Regardless these animals are still faster than most humans on average.

[stiff osprey]

happens in science too, i've seen real papers citing 25mph elephant and 50mph jaguar

[little mauve]

Science too, we have very little actual hard data on most animals like you see in this study

[stiff osprey]

unrelated but i went looking for the source of 24km/h camptosaurus and it says it's ''based on other iguanodonts'', which doesn't seem like a great way to estimate its speed

[full lagoon]

Especially as it's very distinct, I assumed it was just not well documented or cared about

[stiff osprey]

Larramendi's formula for theropod speed should work fine on campto since it's bipedal, i'll see what we get from that

[little mauve]

Yeah the citation is from Foster's Jurassic West, which is basically worded just like that

Very good book though at any rate

[hardy sentinel]

Bingo

[little mauve]

To refocus on the original question my intuition with respect to speed and predation is "about equally as fast as an equivalent sized theropod." Along with herding, growth rates, and maximum size that seems to be the incipient anti predation strategy of iguanodontians (and hadrosaurs for that matter)

[thorn grove]

for Hadrosaurs specifically I think it's been found that their anatomy focused more on stamina rather than speed outright, while Tyrannosaurs were pretty cursorial compared with most theropods, so in that comparison specifically the Tyrannosaurs would tend to be faster but would tire more quickly

[stiff osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/792575003807711262/image0.png?ex=68e7c23e&is=68e670be&hm=1740ffbfbfd529347d8f80722decf35ceb7ee34c5c7bd895535368421b64aaa9&

using this, you get a speed estimate of ~36 km/h for a normal-sized camptosaurus
presumably the giant specimen would be slower, but it's fast enough to have a chance of escaping an allosaur or ceratosaur

[full lagoon]

That definitely feels more plausible

[little mauve]

Yah I should have just said flight in the general sense, either by being outright faster or having higher stamina, maneuverability whatever

[thorn grove]

yea I was just adding detail regarding Hadrosaur locomotion cuz I find it interesting

[full lagoon]

What sucks is that the in game lambeo has neither compared to predators around it's tier in game...

I'd love it if it had a bit more stamina to outlast them in certain scenarios. (In a chase, especially with like two dasps)

[last adder]

Dasp can catch it even if lamb has braced legs

[thorn grove]

unfortunately in pot an animal has to be able to win in group pvp or it's unplayable garbage

[last adder]

And seemingly outstam it even if the lamb is being wise

It just doesn't make much sense it can't get away if it notices them early

[full lagoon]

If I might add to making comparisons to real life to the game, why the hell does hatz feel so heavy and clunky? They were most likely incredibly light and nimble for their size.

Bro literally stomps and kicks up dust in game rn

I feel like it would be possible to improve playable stats by taking their real life (or assumed) strengths and weaknesses into account instead tbh

[thorn grove]

at this point I've just given up on expecting any kind of survival mechanics to be even considered in this game's balance

[full lagoon]

We can hope at least

[river plinth]

Should have paried honestly

[native kindle]

StaminaSprintCostPerSecond",Values=(0.6,0.49,0.53,0.56,0.8))
StaminaSprintCostPerSecond",Values=(0.6,0.53,0.6,0.75,1.1))
it uh, does? significantly more stamina than dasp, + long distance runner and faster in the water

[lost moon]

I’ve also been able to outright kill Allo and Pycno on Lamb too, though Dasp is a bit iffy

I also haven’t played in about 2 months so idk how lamb is now

[full lagoon]

That's weird because from what Ive seen it can still get cooked despite seeing them early

[full lagoon]

Also yeah it does have a good chance of killing them solo

[stark roost]

Is there a chance there could be something like this. Maybe not as chunky. I’ve always loved these spino designs where the sail seamlessly comes from the neck it always just looked cool

Or maybe I looked it cause it’s just so flat idk

[charred hearth]

whats the most overdone trope in dinosaur media would y'all say is?

[charred hearth]

it may be this

[wind prairie]

I mean they're not exactly wrong

[charred hearth]

i feel like, dinosaurs get a melocholoy ending where , yeah they died but they'll live on through birds while the permian is just: suffer and die suffer and die suffer and die, they dont even get a " oh but life recovers and lives on " they just all straight up die and go to hell

is this true? https://x.com/Visceral9000/status/1976100459816374324

🦎Visceral🪶 (Tomistoma enjoyer🐊) (@Visceral9000)

While common ostriches are often seen as pushovers to big cats and other African predators, they are most certainly are not.

Being the largest theropod dinosaurs alive today and killing the most people per year out of any bird (not including zoonotic diseases)

X · Oct 9, 2025, 1:40 AM

[stiff osprey]

i mean cassowaries have only killed like 2-3 people in all of human history so i guess ostriches are probably the deadliest

[charred hearth]

is this not close to gallimimus height?

[balmy oyster]

Ironic because life does continue and even stuff that did well in the Permian manages to make a comeback in the Triassic

[stiff osprey]

i'm pretty sure this is inaccurate, the tallest ostrich ever recorded was 270cm

[charred hearth]

does walking with monsters show that or do they just end on everything suffering and dying

[stiff osprey]

it ends with the dinosaurs absolutely flexing on the paleozoic-triassic fauna

[charred hearth]

and would you say that ending was fitting / fire?

[stiff osprey]

i think it's great but i am biased towards dinosaurs so

also seeing euparkeria digivolve into allosaurus while a proterosuchid watches flabbergasted is hilarious

[charred hearth]

😨

[stiff osprey]

this is a good idea of what an ostrich would look like if it was a man and not an ostrich

[charred hearth]

i mean like, im gonan assume its the same height as the man

this quote is truly inspiring and has flew my flapjacks off https://x.com/raftingzalmoxes/status/1975826456380121424

Palaeoncryptozoologist Briton (@raftingzalmoxes)

#SurvivingEarth
'There are more than ten million species of plant and animals alive today. And yet, they are just 1% of all species that have ever existed. By traveling back in time, we'll meet many of the 99% that have gone extinct...'

X · Oct 8, 2025, 7:31 AM

[lavish frigate]

Why’d you have to make them all go to hell, what sins did Lystrosaurus commit 🙏

[lavish frigate]

It’s 2am and this is so stupidly funny to me 😭 🙏

[warm saddle]

Pack hunting dromeosaurid or just pack hunting theropod in general

[zealous ravine]

Big fella (WIP Ahshislesaurus)

Plus the material I haven’t added yet and the different specimens color-coded

[coral forge]

aggro hadrosaurs/invincible herbivores
(I saw someone earlier today acknowledge that edmontosaurus is only 5 tons on average but still said it beats rex in a 1v1)

[winter marsh]

Lystro managed to climb the walls of Tartarus just to be thrown back there by some random two legged lizards

[coral forge]

ngl the permian extinction was probably the closest we've ever gotten to hell on earth

Actually when exactly did the permian end? I know it ended with the extinction but at what point of the extinction was the end of the permian?
Did it end at the start of the extinction, the end or was the entire thing just a grey area between periods

[frigid delta]

who's bigger?
Iggy or Iguanacolossus?

[native kindle]

iggy

[ashen wedge]

I would have to say Iggy if it is indeed iguanodon

[frigid delta]

Iggy IS Iguanodon

[native kindle]

its just a shortening of the name lol

[river plinth]

Iguanodon is bigger than iguanacolossus ain't no other iguanodots bigger than ya Boi aladar

[tardy dune]

http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxu-20YtFEHe7l9RmLFlXoRt4yiIXQAUPs?si=fao8PaRnLRNZVnDI

Hadrosaur W once again

[river plinth]

Edmontosaurus upscale at COPE'S sight?! That's so cool and funny

[tardy dune]

Edmont fanbois are gonna use this now

[tardy dune]

Does that mean the cope spesimin fought n died with i giant edmont???

[thorn grove]

He says 8 feet is less than half the tail, meaning the total length should be over 16 foot

if we assume the minimum though, that it's just barely over 16 foot (5 meters), this would basically be a completely average-sized Edmontosaurus

[coral forge]

how do you know though?
If 8ft is less than half the tail length that could also make it the shortest edmontosaurus by quite a bit at only 8.84m using the smallest size with the given measurement

[thorn grove]

oh I was just going by tail length being roughly half the total length lol

[coral forge]

if you use gunnar bivens' edmont the tail is roughly 55% of the total body length which would mean an edmont with a 16ft minimum tail would be 8.8m which is quite a bit shorter than the current smallest edmont

[river plinth]

All the more legendary feat for edmontosaurus lovers and this puts a dents into those that think ed was fodder

[coral forge]

no the edmont was scavenging because it couldn't cope with being a fodder herbivore

[green helm]

did deinosuchus hatcheri get downsized?

[thorn grove]

but yea if the total tail length comes out to well over 16 ft this could easily be a fairly large Edmontosaurus specimen but in order for it to be ~13 meters (which would probably represent a decent upscale since X-Rex and Becky's Giant being Edmonto is kind of questionable anyway) it would have to be over 7 meters (~23 feet) at which point I imagine he would've said 8 feet is about a third of the total length

[tardy dune]

Edmont ate cope bc alderon balanced edmont to be stronger

[coral forge]

lies
db mods will never be balanced

[green helm]

yes or no did deinosuchus get downsized

[thorn grove]

downsized from what

[tardy dune]

Thats why the edmont killed cope

[green helm]

to 9.3 meters and 5.1 tons the damn timer

[river plinth]

I also heard somewhere cope could have been a pin head which for a rex would have caused some problems

[tardy dune]

Deino got a reclassification aswell right?

[thorn grove]

yea I believe that's its size now roughly

[green helm]

like the smallest estimation?

[thorn grove]

I'm dirty dan

[green helm]

dont know

[coral forge]

I wonder if they said anywhere what the vertebrae in the 3rd picture are because you could probably scale it from that

[green helm]

higest estimation for deinosuchus hatcheri?

[coral forge]

like 16t but that's not remotely reliable
8t is the highest it reliably gets iirc

[thorn grove]

probably Fadeno's but I would take it with a vast heaping mountain of salt

[opaque kayak]

At this point I'm convinced it's just not that size

[green helm]

should i just say this is the max potential of a deinosuchus probably

[stiff osprey]

unlikely since this is more than double the size of the largest known specimen

I think 8-10 tonnes would be reasonable for a hypothetical max individual but obviously those would be extremely rare

[opaque kayak]

I do kinda wonder what would happen if we applied modern saltwater variation to purussaurus

[stiff osprey]

The brasiliensis specimens are all probably males (unless the size dimorphism was less pronounced than in modern crocs), so i doubt it would grow much larger than Deinosuchus

[green helm]

its potential would boost i think

[proud prawn]

We're going to try to uncover the rest of the tail today if possible. The first 20 caudals are about 8 feet long together but I'll nab a scan

[foggy crypt]

Who's the 2nd guy? Never heard of it.

[fossil ingot]

Big Gharial

[tough parcel]

Incredibly holotype, very reliable

[warped peak]

In all fairness,we have a lot of the skull

it also very much might not be a gharial

And based off the mandible, it's skull is very much not gharial shaped

[foggy crypt]

Interesting.

[opaque kayak]

Looking at the fat thick skull in the middle is it even that large, or is its snoot just short

[thorn grove]

Epic

[warped peak]

Its looking like some of both

[green helm]

this accurate?

[coral forge]

yes

it looks like they did just use dan folkes' sucho and just changed the limb position a bit

[green helm]

suspicous they tried to make it a bit bigger

[coral forge]

they are literally identical wym

[green helm]

the head is facing more upwards so it made it look like it was bigger for me

[coral forge]

yeah the skull looks like 5% longer but thats really it

Actually its just the posture. Skulls are identical
The only changes are the right leg and both arms being back along with the neck being a bit puffier

[green helm]

alright thanks

[coral forge]

np

[charred hearth]

tyrannosaurus: sing about being broke if your constantly being down sized

trike: is mute

ankylosaurus: meows

the time traveling deinosuchus:

[zealous ravine]

Is there any chance you might be able to send a scan my way when/if it's fully uncovered? I'm working on a skeletal of Ahshislesaurus and currently lacking a good reference for the caudals.

[green helm]

sing if deinosuchus outstats trex

[charred hearth]

in what?? not in size thats for sure

[green helm]

in WIS

[charred hearth]

what does wis mean

[coral forge]

actually i wonder what its bite force is now that its nearly half the size

[hallow spear]

8ft long for 20 caudals out ov like 55. which is like 6.7m total tail length

[green helm]

who is the strongest cuz nah hed win, wait thats offtopic

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/GandhiDrawing/status/1976313748186071294/photo/1 there were glacials back then?

Gandhi Drawing (@GandhiDrawing)

A pair of Endoceras swimming between glaciers in the late Ordovician

X · Oct 9, 2025, 3:48 PM

[coral forge]

that would be a 12.4m edmont then

[green helm]

close to suchomimus than right

[coral forge]

longer im pretty sure
4th longest edmont

would probably be in the mid 8 ton range

[green helm]

is edmonto still 12 tons?

[coral forge]

it never was
5.7 ton average 13.4 ton max (might not even be edmont)

[charred hearth]

lurdu is still 5 tons, right?

[outer tusk]

Idk what would change

[charred hearth]

would amonites and Endocerida's do this too?

[balmy oyster]

What stage of fetal alcohol syndrome is this

[proud prawn]

Yeah I'd be happy to! Looks like we won't be able to dig today after all since Bucky had some trouble with some cows that fell ill. Whatever we end up uncovering I'll scan

[zealous ravine]

Tysm!

[hallow spear]

@coral forge 76 caudals, about 9.26m total tail length

[coral forge]

thats from the sacrum to the tip of the tail?

because if so that would make it a 17.1 meter edmont which is absolutely insane

[outer tusk]

@zealous ravine hey if you don't mind asking how much are you changing/adding to your ahshiselsaurus?

[balmy oyster]

Awful

[hallow spear]

from the first 20 caudals as vividen said, albeit it assumes they are all the same length which will never be the case

[zealous ravine]

Well the goal is for it to be a full skeletal, but in terms of actual material not yet represented its some body and tail vertebrae and ribs, tho I also might have some changes to make

[proud prawn]

Wait it could have as many as that 😭 we're not going to get this thing out of the ground on this trip are we

[hallow spear]

yes lol, based on X rex

[coral forge]

so no 17 meter edmont?

[proud prawn]

Noooooo
Well I'll have Bucky send us measurements and teach him how to scan

[hallow spear]

Unlikely, but if you do want to estimate it, you just need to measure the first 20 caudals of x rex and compare

[proud prawn]

I do not think this thing is 17 m
Or especially large
But also I don't know much about Ed proportions

[coral forge]

damn
I wonder how heavy a beast like that would even be

[balmy oyster]

Each individual vert better be measured as well

[hallow spear]

@proud prawn

[coral forge]

I know nothing about ornithischian anatomy, where do the caudal vertebrae start? Ik its at the sacrum but idk exactly where

[proud prawn]

This makes me want to cry

Do you have any measurements for X-rex centrum height? Or any measurements for centra at all?

[coral forge]

14.38m

[proud prawn]

Looks like its skull is about Sue sized

[coral forge]

you said 8ft for the first 20 caudals right?

[proud prawn]

Yep

I'm just trying to figure out what measurements to take off the centra to directly compare

[proud prawn]

Is that what you calc'd Blister at using X-rex proportions?

[outer tusk]

@hallow spear do you have that edit of Yingshanosaurus?

[coral forge]

no that IS X-Rex
blister with X-Rex proportions is 14.96m

the one behind X-Rex is Blister

I am only now realising that I added an extra number or something because there are 57 edmonts but 58 specimen names

[charred hearth]

why havent they executed henry wu yet

[proud prawn]

Holy
Freak
I had no idea Blister could be so big
I really need to scan this thing tomorrow and make sure the caudal count is correct

[coral forge]

honestly I'm more interested to see how much this thing weighs
could well be the 3rd ever shant sized edmont
mabye even the first depending on the validity of X-Rex and Becky's Giant

[proud prawn]

I just want to make sure I'm not misreporting the proportions

I want it to be giant but only if it actually is

[full lagoon]

Bros making a video out of this one

[fluid inlet]

T. rex victimizer

Where was x rex found ?

[proud prawn]

I can't be on the team that finds a giant articulated Edmontosaurus tail on the Cope site and NOT make a video about it 🤣

[thorn grove]

At work so can’t do anything precisely but eyeballing it the first 20 caudals are like 1/3 of the total length, meaning Blister would be ~24 feet or so total length

It should be roughly be X-Rex 2.0 in size

[proud prawn]

Yeah this is going to take a long time to dig up if that's accurate. I'll count the caudals again tomorrow

[flat pewter]

YOU'RE HERE?!?! NO WAY!!! Dude I love your videos

[charred hearth]

OMG https://x.com/Dinoh555/status/1976374253705630015

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)

New (Informally named in 2024) Campanian-Maastrichtian SAUROPOD FROM USA

Utetitan zellaguymondeweyae

(And even if is not valid, there are for sure more taxa than Alamosaurus)

https://t.co/w2U8XZxIFx

X · Oct 9, 2025, 7:48 PM

[charred hearth]

someone please show me how big the new late cretascous north american sauropod is

[proud prawn]

Thank you!

[balmy oyster]

apparently the reasoning used in this paper is complete bogus, I believe similar to what was used with the whole 3 rex split back before.

same author too. lo and behold, gsp.

[proud prawn]

GSP has not had a good few years

[wind prairie]

Paul really went from lumping everything to splitting

[white matrix]

that edmonto was burried with cope as a snack for the afterlife

[fluid inlet]

GSP is a great fighter and none of
You could beat him.

[winter marsh]

I could using my secret G.U.N technique

[fluid inlet]

GSP has also said dromerosaurs are the best species and if you disagree with him he’s is open to hand on hand combat.

[winter marsh]

megaraptor is my favorite dromaeosaur

[charred hearth]

what was the reasoning?

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ufc-mma-ufc-mma-ufc-gsp-mma-gsp-gif-4202514588081882387

[winter marsh]

L vro

[wind prairie]

iguanodon is my favorite hadrosaur

[charred hearth]

hes right, iguanadon is a hadrosaur since iguanadontidae isnt a thing no more

[warped peak]

I don' see why they siphon wouldn't have SOME flexibility, but that might be a bit much

[charred hearth]

i dont quite understand why they wouldnt, whats so special about nautalius's movements?

[warped peak]

Nothing exactly, but they are still highl derived and rather far from Ammonoids

Modern Nautilus are about 360 Million Years separated from ammonites

[charred hearth]

isnt minecrafts naut just a ammonite with a nautilus's name?

[warped peak]

Have you seen their squid?

[charred hearth]

truly, evolution

[stiff osprey]

they forgot his funny hat

[winter marsh]

its a rectangle with 8 sticks and a void of doom and demise in the center

[wind prairie]

... since when??

[full lagoon]

I always love it when new animals get added

[balmy oyster]

it's not

it's a hadrosauriform, but right outside of hadrosauroidea.

[charred hearth]

oh, so is iguanadontidae not a thing still? did i atleast get that right?

[balmy oyster]

yea iguanadontidae got canned

instead there's just several species basal before hadrosauriformes with iguanadon being right before it, then there's a whole lot of other species in hadrosauroidea basal to hadrosauridae

[charred hearth]

why and when was it dissolved?

[stiff osprey]

i don't think iguanodontidae was ever dissolved per se but the only animals still in it are iguanodon and a couple glupshittos

[thorn grove]

@proud prawn Do you happen to know what stratigraphic position the Cope quarry is in Hell Creek (specifically upper or lower)?

Thanks in advance

[fluid inlet]

Big Willard smells victims !

[proud prawn]

I was asking Bucky about this and he wasn't sure. I might know by tomorrow

Oh wait just read the question again. It's lower. Don't know the member though

[thorn grove]

Thank you!

and interesting...

[hallow spear]

Willard is smaller than currently thought to be (albeit not by much)!

[sullen cairn]

i like where this is going

[thorn grove]

yea I remembered you mentioning the other two giant specimens both being lower and I wanted to know if that pattern continued

[proud prawn]

It sure does

[balmy oyster]

Time to see how well it correlates with Rex 👀

[stiff osprey]

tyrannosaurids grew until they reached Sue/Cope sized, realized "okay this is unreasonable" and shrank again

saurolophines did the same thing except shant didn't get the memo

[thorn grove]

I was more so alluding to the 2023 abstract that found that Becky's Giant had more in common with Saurolophini Hadrosaurs than Edmontosaurus, and the other two giant specimens just so happen to also be in lower layers, are comparable in size, and are all well outside of the documented size range of Edmontosaurus otherwise

[proud prawn]

Bucky's observed that the rexes in hadrosaur-dense areas tend to be bigger and more robust than the ones that live with more trikes

[thorn grove]

that's weird and kind of the opposite of what I expected

[ancient crystal]

Robustness doesn't save you from horns, it saves you from being shoulder checked

[proud prawn]

He thinks it's an ease of predation thing. As in "I'd rather attack an Edmontosaurus than a Triceratops because it's less likely to stab me", so the rexes that get good at hunting Eds got bigger more easily

Again this isn't something that's been looked at statistically. It's just anecdotal. But Bucky has probably worked on more rex digs and seen more specimens in person than most degreed paleontologists so I think it's worth considering

[tardy dune]

Omg viv here?

Hi i love ur vods

[ancient crystal]

"Less likely to stab me" implies there is to some degree still a chance an edmontosaurus could stab a tyrannosaurus

Thus I propose we do away with edmusthosaurus in favor of edmontosaurus with a shiv

[tardy dune]

Edmonts also have the advantage of herd protqection and were likley faster

[proud prawn]

That's actually the next part of the theory...👀

[proud prawn]

I'd love to take a look at femur/tibia proportions in rexes according to the main prey items they lived with

[tardy dune]

And maybe muscle attachments in the tail n legs, to see how strong they were?

[fluid inlet]

all this talk about trike and zero about torosaurus . whats up with thtat massive torosaurus specimen vivden

[proud prawn]

The abstract will be at SVP!

[short river]

It would be interesting to see how they differ proportionally, could grant a little insight into how they altered hunting behaviour for different prey items if at all, depending on how much you're able to gleen from proportion alone

[fluid inlet]

also tell darius we need more giga papers

[proud prawn]

Yes we definitely do

[tardy dune]

Viv
Can u fly to australia n find 100 new megatherapods?
Thanks

[full lagoon]

🤨

[tardy dune]

We needa describe that charcara n megaraptorid material

[proud prawn]

I would love to
If I could save up enough money I'd fly to Argentina and scan Giga again

[tardy dune]

Vivd
Very important question
||who wins, X rex edmont or Cope rex?||

[ancient crystal]

I like how AvA debates are allowed in this chat over our own species name

[fossil ingot]

Adam my beloved...

[ashen wedge]

Cope

[ancient crystal]

It wouldn't even need to be a cope sized rex

[proud prawn]

(not actually a hot take)

[opaque kayak]

Ah yes the 10+ meter toro (the man is 2.5 meters tall)

[tardy dune]

Toro > trike frfr

I need a 10 t toro in paleomedia...

[fluid inlet]

a huge shadow in the dinosaurs in brazil , hopefully big stuff happens there soon.

[proud prawn]

Yeah my contact on the team recently said he wasn't so sure about 10 meters anymore

To nobody's surprise

[opaque kayak]

RIP 10+ meter adam
~~Perhaps we should not take unreleased info before it releases 😔 ~~

[proud prawn]

But then what would we talk about in the discord Paleo community 😞

[opaque kayak]

Maraapuni Upscale?

[hallow spear]

I have my money on it being between 7.6-8m

[fluid inlet]

It’s not 10 meters it’s 11.

[opaque kayak]

Perucetus solos

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/reminiscing-those-were-the-good-old-day-good-old-days-tom-and-jerry-old-gif-11961694

[charred hearth]

who do you guys think would have the prettier crests irl, lambeosaurines or tapejaridae?

[thorn grove]

Lambeosaurines

granted I think Tapejarid crests would look more impressive but I feel it would be to the point of looking stupid and therefore less pretty

[fossil ingot]

Like most Toro's smh

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/parasaurolophus-twerk-twerkeri-walkeri-dinosaur-gif-22196291

[charred hearth]

i mean , if we use pot as a example, i think thals crest and its skins look very nice :p

[thorn grove]

that's fair

[zealous ravine]

getting quite close

[charred hearth]

bars?

[outer tusk]

Barsboldia wishes it was this complete

[charred hearth]

barsboldia wishes it wasnt just saurolophous

[fluid inlet]

Barsboldia doesn’t wish anything he’s been extinct for quite some time.

[thorn grove]

Barsboldia tried to survive his times so that he may live into ours

alas, he failed...

[hallow spear]

Most toros are not that big 💔

[fossil ingot]

[charred hearth]

what ceratopsian have we found the most of? centro?

[zealous ravine]

Ahshislesaurus, but it’s worth noting that this is a composite of several specimens, each color is a different specimen here. As you can see, there’s zero overlap between any of the arm bones lmao

[proud prawn]

I'm going to get you that darn tail scan

[zealous ravine]

Tysm, gonna be very helpful

[charred hearth]

how much would it theroretically weigh?

[green helm]

Whats the size for deinosuchus size now then

At max

Is it still 8-10 tones like random dinos said

[stiff osprey]

that was for a hypothetical one in a million individual

the largest known specimen is 5t

[green helm]

Is the other source still realible

[stiff osprey]

which one?

[green helm]

This the 9.3 meters and 5.1 ton and the model of it

[stiff osprey]

9.2-9.7 meters and ~5t is an accurate range yes
give or take a couple hundred kg

[green helm]

Okay thank you

[zealous ravine]

Not sure, the paper put it at 9t

[thorn grove]

That tibia is massive compared to the femur

[zealous ravine]

More or less the same length according to the paper, it was definitely leggy

[thorn grove]

afaik that's pretty unusual for a Hadrosaur, that's interesting

[zealous ravine]

mhm

[astral spindle]

@stiff osprey , how did this happen?

[stiff osprey]

i would argue amnh 3073 could be larger but the text explains it pretty well

[fossil ingot]

3D Scans of a Deino specimen happened

[astral spindle]

It was just 5+ tonnes yesterday 😭

[fossil ingot]

Ohh no, it still is
AMNH 3073 is 9.66m(basically 9.7m) and 5.1t

[green helm]

5 ton is still accurate

[stiff osprey]

this person either disagrees with me that amnh is larger than cm 963 or made this image before i concluded that, hence the 4t instead of 5

[fossil ingot]

The one that mainly got Nuked was CM 963 LOL

However Deino been barely heavier than Sarco would be funny

[green helm]

Nah nah I’d let it not slide

[fossil ingot]

I mean is still decently Big anyways

Tho Deino not only got smaller
But Its Femur Seems oddly not robust
Mf likely wasn't walking THAT much

[green helm]

Is Google ai referring to don kalia?

[stiff osprey]

probably referring to kalia (which probably was not that big) since don kalia has no real measurements

[green helm]

Kk

[wind prairie]

wth is that pliosaur

[stiff osprey]

abingbong

[astral spindle]

Isn't Kalia like 1,900 kg?

[coral forge]

Can anyone see the error on this? There are 57 specimens and 58 specimen names but I can't see where the mistake is

[fluid inlet]

What’s funny is Deinosuchus would still be far more popular than Purussaurus will ever be.

[coral forge]

and people will still think Sarcosuchus is the largest pseudosuchian

[fossil ingot]

Prob No.
Edgar is 6.7m and around 1.5t

[outer tusk]

@sullen cairn did you made this edit?

[frigid delta]

any recent status for "Edmarka Rex"?

[coral forge]

1 bone has been found so a paper is soon to be published on why that apparently makes it valid or smth

[manic grail]

Do y'all think pliosaurs had lips?

[coral forge]

I mean I dont really see why a body part to keep the teeth hydrated would be needed when you live your entire life in water

[last adder]

It could've just been something retained from their ancestors as a neutral trait, but the orientation many species of plesiosaur and pliosaur teeth suggests they may have not..?

The presence of lips could've also helped their faces be more hydrodynamic.

[manic grail]

but isnt it highly possible that mosasaurs had lips

[native kindle]

mosasaurs were newbies to the aquatic world relatively speaking, pliosaurs were plesiosaurs millions of years before they were themselves
and outside of the disgrace that is PoT Kaiwhekea, you don't see any lipped plesiosaurs

[last adder]

Well just because you dont see them reconstructed with lips doesn't necessarily mean they had them, but I do see where you're coming from.

I mean, there used to be a point where so many prehistoric carnivorous reptiles were rendered with exposed teeth.

[native kindle]

yeah they don't live in the ocean lol, so i don't see how that's particularly relevant

[last adder]

An example of Aquatic predators with lips are the cetaceans of today, but that's not to say it's impossible that plesiosaurs lacked them by any means.

[native kindle]

the cetaceans weren't even fully lipped all their history either, so again i don't know why that's being brought up

[coral forge]

thats like saying cats must have horns because rhinos have horns

mosasaurs and pliosaurs are incredibly far apart from eachother in terms of both time and phylogeny, with pliosaurs going extinct a few hundred thousand years before mosasaurs first appeared

mosasaurs evolved from lipped ancestors and all of their closest living relatives have lips, even aquatic ones, which is why they are portrayed with lips. The ancestors of pliosaurs had lips and pliosaurs themselves wouldn't have needed them so theres really no reason to believe they would have had them.

[lofty creek]

it doesnt exist anymore
last month i made torvo broth with its bones

[last adder]

I actually didn't even know this ngl.

[green helm]

mhmmmm dont think so

[green helm]

edgar? another underrated saltwater crocodile?

[tough parcel]

That's not at all what happened 💀

[lofty creek]

seriously

its likely that we can never heard from it until the day Bakker tells us where CPS is actually located in

if someone really know some scholar who participated in morrison research, especially torvo and allo research, just ask them about Bakker and CPS

i wont even surprise if one day the material is finally found in his basement along with babyoil

[coral forge]

idk thats all ive heard

[tough parcel]

Where do you hear these things...

It was a re-examination of the material already known. It's literally the Brontosaurus/Nanotyrannus revival all over again

[lofty creek]

material already known ❌

we dont even know where the original material is now
Bakker just left a big mess for all the "CPS" materials

[outer tusk]

We don't?

[lofty creek]

we
actually
dont

maybe CPS just refers to Bakker's garage

[fossil ingot]

Big Wide Saltie Skull

[stable sun]

Wdym 1 bone

[hot mantle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjzvzzy0mxo.amp

[green helm]

thanks

[coral forge]

how long are MOR 980, LACM 23844 and USNM 2110?
the source I'm using gives 2 different lengths for all 3 of them so idk

[stiff osprey]

980 is 11.6-12.2 meters, USNM 2110 is 11.3-11.8 meters

i don't know about harley but somewhere in the middle probably

[native kindle]

why don't people talk about trix when its essentially the same size as the largest (reliable)rexes? especially when its the oldest rex we've got, that's awesome

[stiff osprey]

trix is cool but it's not particularly large, 3d scans show it's about 12m flat and it's much less robust than sue

[thorn grove]

trix's size was overstated when it was first found

[coral forge]

so should I just go 11.8 for LACM

[stiff osprey]

that's probably close to the truth

[balmy oyster]

I mean they probably did have lips since their teeth didn’t jut out sideways like Pliosaurs & plesiosaurs, and it would help with making them a little more streamlined

[charred hearth]

why did late cretascous american formations only have 1 large macropredator?

[tough parcel]

Do you mean just T. rex? Because that's awfully broad wording for a very specific question

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/jafet777-sim777-gif-23389953

actually , nanuq too

[coral forge]

hell creek alone has like 7 archosaurian macropredators, most formations have even more

[tough parcel]

Because there was an environmental shift that caused a local extinction, T. rex showed up on the tail end(?) of it and capitalized on that

[coral forge]

was infernodrakon the 2nd largest hell creek carnivore
nano is valid again?

[tough parcel]

Nanotyrannus

[charred hearth]

idk, when i think of a ecosystem, i think of like, the saragenthii which was multiple large game hunting carnivores

[undone rapids]

Evidence Rex was an Opportunistic Scavenger?

[thorn grove]

obligate*

[wind prairie]

the devilish atroxicarius:

[charred hearth]

is that the giant troodontid?

[balmy oyster]

Preservation bias

Hell creek is unique since the only true macro predator is tyrannosaurus, even if it does get split into different genera it’ll still be only the tyrannosaurus species

Others though, mainly in the Campanian, did have other contemporary predatory animals, such as formations with daspleto’s and gorgo’s

[balmy oyster]

This too, I rarely see people mention this

[charred hearth]

is it what caused edmontosaurus to be the only hadrosaur in hell creek too?

[balmy oyster]

That we know of for now

but that’s a possible reason

[charred hearth]

hell creek lambeosaurine will be real

[little mauve]

Preservation bias definitely, poor sampling across north america is another issue. Possibly some overlumping as well. And nanotyrannus is probably valid. Overall, we're missing stuff. There are some random large ziphodont teeth from ojo alamo I believe that isn't T. rex or T. mcraensis. Dryptosaurs probably have a lot of hidden diversity in the eastern part of the continent. It's also worth remembering that even in a formation like the Morrison with multiple large predators, Ceratosaurus & Torvosaurus are quite rare

[charred hearth]

thats because cerato is secretly is still alive

[mystic wren]

Isn’t the same seen in Horseshoe Canyon Formation with Albertosaurus being the only large predator?

[tough parcel]

Again, there was a localized extinction event that weakened the ecosystem then T. rex showed up with its gang

What you see is not representative of what a stable ecosystem was in the Mesozoic (it was stabilizing, but still going)

[opaque kayak]

Largest sauropods based on verifiable measurements by Randomdinos

[stiff osprey]

Never heard of that guy, seems sketch

[compact leaf]

where brachi

[thorn grove]

little timmy didn't make the cut

[fossil ingot]

Brachio is like 45t

67t using the Recapture Creek Lad and thinking its Brachio tho

[compact leaf]

depends on the specimen but the holotype is a bit bigger than that, recapture creek scales to 67 but random prolly didn’t want to throw that in (because he’s evil)

[stiff osprey]

brach would be 2 positions back, behind ruyango and fusuisaurus

[compact leaf]

fusuisaurus is insane, needs more attention

the convenient chart with masses and specimens has escaped me somehow and I can’t find it

[fossil ingot]

49t outside Recapture Creek

[lavish frigate]

Yeah he’s weird, I heard he made this

[fluid inlet]

I believe in Matt Dempsey philosophy

https://tenor.com/view/alex-pereira-poatan-pereira-rountree-khalil-rountree-jr-gif-1434296527275091880

[lofty creek]

vampire Jehplopterus ahhh moment

btw
would Ruyangosaurus have some osterderms

[warped peak]

Yknow some of the David pterosaurs are almost a vibe

[lavish frigate]

They’d be so fun if it was ironic

[ancient crystal]

If they were more than just static images maybe I'd see his vision even if I didn't agree with it, but as it stands it just looks bad.

[lofty creek]

id rather let him only produces pterosaur bull**it forever

[ancient crystal]

See this stuff is just ridiculous, it demonstrates no understanding of anatomy or even just basic form for that matter.

Which is sad because he is a legitimately great artist and should (and probably does) know that his more recent work doesn't reflect a real animal.

[balmy oyster]

Somehow worse than my first skeletal

[cloud wedge]

Where’s argent

[tough parcel]

It's...literally #1

[charred hearth]

thoughts on 10 ton iggy?

[wind prairie]

no.. something FAAAARR worse...
🌩️ AN UNNAMED TOOTH!!! 🌩️

actually I guess that's what the troodontid is as well lmao

[frigid delta]

reject Allosaurus anax
return to Saurophaganax
RAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[white matrix]

@lofty creek any updates on zhuchengtitan?

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[river plinth]

Till more evidence Its gonna get the cope treatment and purly be speculation still cool to think about tho

[lofty creek]

nein
still a sh*t taxon
im not focusing at wangshi group these days

I suggest u make a Ruyangosaurus or Huanghetitan ruyangensis if u really wanna make a big titansaur

the only good news in China these days is that some rib and vertebrae of the mysterious henan Majiacun Fm. spinosaur (which was only known by some seperated teeth previously) finally found

along with a quite well preserved hadrosaur skull and some other carnosaur-like teeth
but godd*mned Majiacun Fm. is Coniacian - Santonian
i reckon they need to do a redetermination

[serene moat]

I assume with all these nerfs it means deino can't have biteforce of 10-11ton anymore???

[charred hearth]

but we have more material for it though

[outer tusk]

question could a large carcharodontosaurid have a similar jaw gape like allosaurus?

[balmy oyster]

Cope’s being worked on atm

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

.
also, why is it always the same people on this channel ?

why is there never some new and fresh discord souls here ?

😭

[charred hearth]

what would a large troodontid's hunting style be? just small game ? ( thinking of prince creek troodontid )

[coral forge]

I would have thought sauroposideon and maraapunisaurus would be up there

[balmy oyster]

Maraa is unreliable & saurop is about ~40t

[coral forge]

surely it would be more reliable than 5 dinos that dont even have an assigned genus though

[balmy oyster]

The chart is about reliable scaling. As in provided measurements and possibly good figures.

Maraapunisaurus isn’t very…reliable. because there’s no lateral view and it’s turned to dust

[coral forge]

fair enough
when putting indeterminate specimens on a chart do you just use the silhouette of the type genus of the family and scale it to the size of the specimen?
like a small indeterminate brachiosaurid would be represented by a scaled down brachi?

[balmy oyster]

You use whatever the material resembles the most based on key features

So for a plausible smaller brachiosaur, if it has features most similar to brachiosaurus itself then you use brachi

[coral forge]

so like if an indeterminate lambeosaurine had an elongated tube like crest you'd represent it with a parasaurolophin not lambeosaurus?

[balmy oyster]

Something like this yea, though sometimes it can get a little trickier the more fragmentary something is

[coral forge]

if it is so fragmentary that you cant make any comparisons do you then just use the type genus or what
would it be like another member of the family from the same formation or something?
Like if an indeterminate saurolophine came from hell creek and was so fragmentary it couldn't be compared to anything, would it use edmont instead of saurolophus?

[green helm]

soo would deinosuchus cm be a underweight adult now?

[frigid delta]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SHOULDN'T CAPITALIZED SPECIES NAME?
T. rex sounds weirder than T. Rex imo

[manic grail]

i had a dream where i found a trex mummy with all the skin and flesh and it looked exactly like the jurassic park trex

[balmy oyster]

What a nightmare…I’m sorry you has to go through such a dream…

[coral forge]

and it had an unhealed edmontosaurus bite mark

[white matrix]

i believe this was an edmontosaurus :D

[green helm]

how much did Archelon weight

[frigid delta]

2-3 tons

more precisely:
2.2-3.5 tons

[ancient crystal]

We get them, but usually they just come here to argue and/or ragebait

[coral forge]

what rex specimens did I leave out?

[ancient crystal]

Because it looks funny

In all honesty, of all ways to shrinkwrap, sauropod heads were not that bad.

[hallow spear]

I think I GDIed it at like 2.6t

[ancient crystal]

I liked them : (

[green helm]

well thanks

[stiff osprey]

i assume you mean the ones with tall head crests because i don't think putting 2 foot thick tumors on top of diplodocus's head would help anyone

[severe yew]

oh, lmao 😅

[ancient crystal]

Take this person for example.

What's funny is that their original comment wasn't all that bad, but it spiraled from there.

[foggy crypt]

Who's titanovenator? I heard that db is making a mod of it but never heard of the animal before.

[stiff osprey]

undescribed giant abelisaur from kenya

[bright veldt]

North American Troodontids were generalist feeders. They were largely herbivorous but were also predators of small prey. This would likely extend to a larger one too even if that means bigger prey now that it’s also bigger.

Troodontids left macropredation to the raptors it seems.

[bitter quest]

It's an unnamed large abelisaur that doesn't truly have an actual name, was just nicknamed titanovenator. We don't know the true size since it's in a private collection and the paper for it hasn't released

[foggy crypt]

Why private collections T-T? They're fossils, only the earth owns them.

[outer tusk]

It's called the wait

[charred hearth]

would Unenlagiinae follow this too?

[stiff osprey]

It's not in a private collection I don't think, sometimes things just take ages to get published

[little mauve]

Prince Creek troodontid would have had a more limited range of small prey to choose from in its environment, AFAIK no small reptiles are known from the formation though there is some diversity of small mammals which I assume were quite common in life. So that may have something to do with it, isotopic studies point to herbivory dominated omnivory for the troodontids sampled in the study https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article-abstract/136/7-8/2689/629495/New-biogeochemical-insights-into-Mesozoic worth noting that they were only looking at the Oldman formation

[charred hearth]

also, Unenlagiinae is clooser to troodontid instead of dromeosaurid, right?

https://x.com/Coolio_Art/status/1976984537646481867

CoolioArt (3D Commissions OPEN!) (@Coolio_Art)

velo was quite large when seeing it interact with someone (Wren is pretty tall too I believe) in person.

People often compare them to chickens, but they'd be more like a condor sized eagle with pretty gnarly weaponry, one would definitely leave you banged up, or bleeding out.

X · Oct 11, 2025, 12:13 PM

[full lagoon]

Exactly bro, the size is heavily downplayed

[full lagoon]

Because humans think that everything is ours to take lmao

[foggy river]

largely herbivorous O.O whats the lowdown on that

[bright veldt]

It’s from a study a few years back

[full lagoon]

That's actually awesome

[stiff osprey]

Their teeth are very similar to pachycephalosaurs, which are definitively herbivorous/omnivorous. Still would eat meat tho

[bright veldt]

North American troodontids at least are quite herbivorous, if still omnivores. Asian troodontids seemed to be more conventional dedicated predators. It also conveniently patched up that little thing with the pachies yeah. Turns out it’s less that young pachies have carnivorous teeth and more that N.A. troodontids have more herbivorous teeth.

[bright veldt]

No

[foggy river]

inchresting

[tough parcel]

Curious...perhaps this is indicative for the pachycephalosaur...

[little mauve]

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article-abstract/136/7-8/2689/629495/New-biogeochemical-insights-into-Mesozoic the study in question, reminder that it was one genus of troodontid from the Oldman Formation. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more carnivory dominant troodontids elsewhere in north america, like Prince creek for instance

[wind prairie]

(which is why I don't understand the notion that pachycephalosaurs must've been 100% herbivorous)

how woolly rhino pilled are we today chat

[frosty cedar]

Wait, is this by David Peters?

Bro is built like he's from a Disney cartoon.

[full lagoon]

Lmao it looks like a small hopping animal

[charred hearth]

is this facts

[undone rapids]

Just look at any hunt, prey always make as much sound as possible. Sometimes it can help and that's better than nothing at all.

[coral forge]

I mean screaming as loud as you can against something half your size is usually a pretty good intimidation tactic

[full lagoon]

Pigs are a prime example with their squealing

[coral forge]

ngl some musicians make me wonder what kind of intimidation tactics ancient humans might have done with their voices

[charred hearth]

edmushthosaurus after blowing up rex's head with its scream:

[hardy sentinel]

Best Plateosaurus depiction? (WWD, Prehistoric Kingdom, Life on our Planet)

[stiff osprey]

most of them don't have dips though. like diplodocus is just a straight line

for things like giraffatitan i think smoothing out the nose with air sacs or whatever is fine

[ancient crystal]

Is that really a question, to me one of these sticks out as the winner

[hardy sentinel]

WWD was put here as a joke, it's mostly between Life On Our Planet and PK that i'm wondering

[ancient crystal]

Its PK

[hardy sentinel]

Plate just kinda has those

[ancient crystal]

Oh and look at what you've done, you've scared Quillkin, great going Sir Spiccy

[hardy sentinel]

Peak Plate art

[outer tusk]

if you wanted to do a generic sauropod head, just use this

[hardy sentinel]

Grasping hand you say...

[little mauve]

Plateosaurus has serious hands

[compact leaf]

I wouldn’t really call tapuisaurus a generic sauropod head