paleontology

[balmy oyster]

No, stego’s just that big

The stego here is based on a really large femur

Look at the person on the right and tell me Dacent is “that small”

[topaz shell]

Uh does anyone know the current placement of deinosuchus

[stark roost]

Now looking back ig yea. But wasn’t decent same size? Also is Mira’s size based off dacent in game

[balmy oyster]

mira is definitely not, mira is based on its own size & a different skeletal

[stark roost]

Oh sorry I meant size

[balmy oyster]

dacent was, considerably larger

[drifting condor]

Was ceratosaurus a fast dinosaur?

[hardy sentinel]

I don't know

[hardy sentinel]

Non Crocodillian Eusuchians

[still roost]

Any1 know whether paleontolgy says amarga was sails or spikes according to recent studies?

[stiff osprey]

more of a hump than either option really

[frigid delta]

Alligator

[hardy sentinel]

Paper came out a few months ago, it's outside Crocodilia but still within Eusuchia

[frigid delta]

now why would paleontologists do that?

[hardy sentinel]

Cuz

[frigid delta]

bcuz what
what is it

[hardy sentinel]

Y'know

[undone rapids]

Features

[coral forge]

wait what
it isnt an alligatoroid anymore?

[stable sun]

Nope

[balmy oyster]

What it is, is now more of a mouthful to say fully or else people will get confused

[coral forge]

What is it now, just a basal eusuchian?

[sudden wind]

Yeah

[flint hornet]

What model is more accurate,path of titans suchomimus,or Jurassic world evolution suchomimus?

[charred hearth]

if they reproduced , their sucho off spring would be so pretty that sucho out mogs every other dinosaur

[tulip gyro]

Stem crocodylian

[lavish frigate]

Objection

JWE sucho is already gorgeous, keep its gene pool pure 🙏

[coral forge]

crazy how every time jwe released their own dino before the jurassic franchise its always better than the one from the franchise

jwe sucho > jwct sucho
jwe giga > jwd giga
jwe spinoceratops > jwcc spinoceratops
jwe dreadnoughtus > jwd dreadnoughtus

[brave nova]

JWTG giga>>>

[coral forge]

jwtg allo >>>>

best theropod design in media prove me wrong

[white matrix]

has the apex stego skeletal come out yet?

[brave nova]

Bro clears

[coral forge]

Distortus Carolinii

dont forget utahraptor

[astral spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/mohawk-mark-edit-invincible-gif-7430264583156779090

[white matrix]

one day we're gonna go extinct and the next intelligent species will rise up

and they'll look at all these dog breed fossils and wonder "wth is all this"

[astral spindle]

@fossil ingot , what exactly makes Carcharodontosaurus taller than giga holotype? Is it the Femur? Or smth else and what makes giga longer?

[fossil ingot]

Its Mostly on what Carcha is Based on
Carcha is just a Skull

If you base Carcha of Titan, you Result in a Carcha Taller than Giga but Shorter in Length for Example.

[white matrix]

doesn't carcha have a larger lighter built skull?

[undone rapids]

Giga's skull is incomplete so its exact length is unknown, though based off of Meraxes, Giga would have a longer/bigger skull than Carcha, not by too much though

They Big

[fossil ingot]

Yeah Giga is quite Big Headed even for its Family

[fossil ingot]

Titan is decently Tall for its Length

[brave nova]

Then there dentarys ah who takes bobble head to the extreme

[undone rapids]

Titan, Carcha and Giga were the big headed ones, while Acro, Meraxes and Taurovenator being the small headed ones

[astral spindle]

And what makes it shorter? Is it the tail?

[small geyser]

@real swan

They’re on other channels too

[balmy oyster]

Bot server link?

[coral forge]

cant forget about this absolute monstrosity

[balmy oyster]

All it needs is for the shoulder blades to be moved down a notch

[fossil ingot]

Possibly?

[coral forge]

the head is also too large proportionally

[balmy oyster]

Might be cause of the angle but it’s likely

[hallow spear]

no

[balmy oyster]

I give it 7 years

[fossil ingot]

Who will win the race of getting described first
Adam, Apex or Willard

[balmy oyster]

Willard’s probably gonna be on mount…forever
Apex pretty recently got obtained back so they’ll probably get to describing the material sometime eventually this decade
Adam is being worked on actively and the material hopefully hasn’t been put up on the museum mount and instead casts were used.

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/xWiqV7TujQ19142/status/1960360324726398977/photo/1 someone name all of them

lcoa:Quetzalcoatlus (@xWiqV7TujQ19142)

Good night〜

X · Aug 26, 2025, 3:14 PM

[coral forge]

arambourgiania quetz hatz eurazdarcho?

[stiff osprey]

hatzegopteryx, quetzalcoatlus, obese hatzegopteryx, quetzalcoatlus with dwarfism

i'm guessing cryodrakon-quetz-hatz-infernodrakon

[coral forge]

nah what if its
Hatzegopteryx with gigantism - Quetzalcoatlus with gigantism - Fat Hatzegopteryx with gigantism - Normal Quetzalcoatlus
theres no scale so you can't prove me wrong

[wind prairie]

oh right, don't we think cryodrakon was more similar to hatz now or something?

[coral forge]

actually yeah the cold colors make it feel like an oversized cryodrakon

[outer tusk]

I feel like my one personal gripe with the unoffical multieview on the left is just feels uneven

[fervent steeple]

Diplocaulus!

[winter marsh]

tbh, even it its more accurate i still prefer CC sucho for the sole fact of its color pattern. Taking a python and making it into a dino was peak

[coral forge]

hippo victim

how are you one of the top 15 largest terrestrial carnivores of all time and lose to an overgrown beach ball with legs 💔

also doesnt jwe sucho have a pattern similar to CT sucho

[plucky basin]

heh.. it's funny how you think this punny peasant can beat this absolute god-like creature..

[coral forge]

I see your erlikosaurus and raise you pachygalosaurus

[plucky basin]

i may have lost the fight, BUT I HAVE NOT LOST THE WAR

[coral forge]

the thing is, because of what you fuse to make it (pachyrhinosaurus snd megalosaurus) it should be pronounced
"pah-kee-glow-saurus"
and not
"pachy-gah-luh-saurus"

[plucky basin]

i mean, its the average jw theropod

[coral forge]

its not just the theropods

[plucky basin]

yawn seen worst

[coral forge]

I don't think that's accurate. T rex had a longer skull and legs and the arms weren't held against its torso like that

[covert moat]

It's majunga, an abelisaurid

[coral forge]

Does it have 2 legs?
Does it eat meat?
Does it have small arms?
Its a t.rex

[coral forge]

you cannot fool me diogenes
that is obviously a kangaroo

[coral forge]

according to plato most primates are humans

[plucky basin]

is this an apple then vro..

[coral forge]

no thats a panda duh

[plucky basin]

ooooooooo, mb
anyways, im gonna go eat a cat rq

[charred hearth]

how aquatic are capybara's?

[full lagoon]

They are semi aquatic and have significant aquatic prowess

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-swimming-gif-24191590

They commonly use the water for means of escape and locomotion in the wild

[stark roost]

I swear bro 💔. Could they not put like a smaller Spinosaur to actually make it more accurate 💔

[winter marsh]

it won bro

[stark roost]

After like a few hours 💔

[winter marsh]

and then the very buff majunga killed it

[full lagoon]

It's Jurassic world bro, idk what you expect

[stark roost]

Jurassic god forsaken hippo 😭✌️

[full lagoon]

I honestly appreciated the inclusion of the hippo

[marsh tapir]

A general chat reminder that plots, actors, directors, mechanics, gameplay etc. of ANY media or game are considered off-topic on this channel.

You make check the channel guidelines in it's pinned messages.

[stark roost]

💔

[hardy sentinel]

Did hair and feathers come from the same derived filamentous scale or did they evolve convergently from another type of scale?

[warped peak]

Convergent IIRC?

[hardy sentinel]

Goated ty

[frigid delta]

how accurate is opr's Duck

[warped peak]

Bahariasaurus!

[balmy oyster]

What even is this project

[ashen wedge]

It “could” have been accurate when we only knew it from two arms and nothing else

[balmy oyster]

Even then we’d just base it off of a megatheropodisized ornithomimosaur, there’s no reason to make it have scoliosis and a muttaburra head

[stark roost]

lol from jwe2 modding

[frigid delta]

respect them carnivores modders 😤

[tough parcel]

It has 4 fingers as well…perhaps it is accurate to the artist’s epic head-canon rather than anything in real life?

[snow python]

Is there a spino specimen bigger than NHMUK VP 16421?

[coral forge]

Theres this guy but hes a single toe bone and like not even reliable in the slightest

[opaque kayak]

That and other scrappy partial bone pieces series

[coral forge]

spinoless saurus

honestly thats just every basal spinosaurine

which is only 4 species but like

[brittle sinew]

Making these “counters” and i need help, as you can see i have dubious Dilophosaurus species, i want a way to distinct the valid from invalid without altering appearance to much.

Second should i go with a JP color scale or a more relaxed zoo themed one? (Color depending on size class)

And are there invalid species of Tyrannosaurus?

[sudden wind]

Kinda a lot

[sick gull]

was nanotyrannus still valid or no?

[brittle sinew]

Im counting that as a separate animal until it can be 85% confirmed

[sudden wind]

Perhaps

[bitter quest]

It's atm favored to be valid for now though of course we need more evidence to further that

[balmy oyster]

There’s a whole list to chose from

[lunar bolt]

whats happening with troodon 😭

[bitter quest]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-the-heavy-is-dead-team-fortress-2-spy-gmod-gif-14290669460668422365

[stable sun]

A lot of them

[pliant cedar]

what are yall's thoughts on that new paper putting unenlagiines closer to AVES

[sterile trail]

Austroraptor is a big bird

[sick gull]

either way it's still a dinosaur. where it sits on the cladogram doesnt matter as much to me unless it's suddenly the earliest bird with a real beak or to lose the long tail or lost the finger claws

[pliant cedar]

it would be insane if it were a true bird, but thats unlikely

[cloud gull]

I cant tell if ur ragebaiting

[brittle sinew]

Where can I find it

[brittle sinew]

Do you have a list of them?

[frigid delta]

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus

[brittle sinew]

Thanks 😊

[native kindle]

they are

[tender needle]

Can raptor beat a human in a battle to the death bcs i searched up on google and it said a healthy human will win even if its unarmed

[pliant cedar]

most raptors could probably kill a human

while yeah, some would be much smaller, remember that roosters still kill humans despite being much smaller

the larger ones over 50kg would maul the average person tho

[sharp dragon]

Basically being mauled by an eagle except worse.

[coral forge]

depends on the raptor

An unarmed human is pretty weak compared to things our size but we could probably overpower the smaller ones like velociraptor, which would be like fighting a mid sized coyote but with more agility and a big sickle claw. When you start getting to the larger raptors like deinonychus, which were the same weight as an average european, I'd say even an armed human would probably lose.

[tender needle]

ty

[ashen wedge]

Oh Diogenes, always proving Plato wrong

[elfin moss]

New dino alert

[native kindle]

(this is not a new dinosaur)

[elfin moss]

https://x.com/Sketchy_raptor/status/1960726015057256655?t=Yig2oFmm1MW7c5AdVN9eLQ&s=19

Dr Matt Dempsey (@Sketchy_raptor)

Introducing a crazy new look for Spicomellus, based on newly described osteoderms unlike anything we've ever seen before. I was brought in to produce a life reconstruction based on the new material, published today by Maidment et al. in Nature:
https://t.co/H0uMYqHSWB

X · Aug 27, 2025, 3:28 PM

[wary junco]

Spicomellus was described back in 2021, this is more material being descibed but it's not a new taxon

[warped peak]

Hell of a makeover

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-destroy-all-monsters-anguirus-roar-roaring-gif-25695749

[hallow spear]

Oh dempsey made the figure

[lavish frigate]

He’s so cool 😭 🙏

IT HAS FREAKING THAGOMIZERS

[rancid torrent]

Its over, there killing the theropods

[opaque kayak]

Liopleurodon with Monquirasaurus

[balmy oyster]

Altispinax became a ornithopod?

[rancid torrent]

maybe

[stiff osprey]

they're praying on altispinax's downfall

[balmy oyster]

As for sauroph, the material is still under debate & we do have referred sauroph bonebed material that needs revisiting

So I don’t think it’s over for it just yet

[crystal dock]

Pretty sure for altispinax case, it's pretty apparent the material is from a theropod but I could be super wrong

[elfin leaf]

If we lose alti we gonna lose beckle too

[balmy oyster]

It’s unlikely to become dollodon no. 5

[ionic crescent]

https://x.com/ElReptileano/status/1960782947356696705

Repti (@ElReptileano)

A new large hypercarnivorous crocodyliform from the Maastrichtian of Southern Patagonia, Argentina "Kostensuchus"

Advice: Manuel Domínguez Domínguez

X · Aug 27, 2025, 7:14 PM

[stark roost]

Oh cool

[coral forge]

Altispinax is an iguanodont now?
The hell did I miss

[stiff osprey]

me when i spread misinformation on the internet

[coral forge]

So its still just a weird ass hella fragmentary theropod?

[stiff osprey]

it's just worse concavenator

[ionic crescent]

I like to think of it as a mini acro

[cloud wedge]

this dino looks freaky

[undone rapids]

Croc : https://youtu.be/8ea3aYlKy9o?si=IHN7de5gdPLFqtAt

[primal ice]

I want to see this as a pot mod

[wind prairie]

just saw this only now
but no spicomellus is not new, it was just known from very poor material before. Anguirus is real

my question is what kinda predator from hell was hunting it for it to look like that

[little mauve]

There are large coeval torvosaurs apparently

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1464343X22001479 some very large theropod tracks known from the same formation

[dire zealot]

https://x.com/dinoh555/status/1960786494282776714?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

meet the newly discovered crocodyliform from Cretaceous Argentina

KOSTENSUCHUS

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)

BIG CROCCO FROM MAIP BEDS
BIG CROCCO FROM MAIP BEDS
BIG CROCCO FROM MAIP BEDS

A new large hypercarnivorous crocodyliform from the Maastrichtian of Southern Patagonia, Argentina

Kostensuchus atrox gen. et sp. nov. around 3.5 m

Art Gabriel Diaz Yanten

https://t.co/F37yIh5wEJ

X · Aug 27, 2025, 7:28 PM

[thorn grove]

sexual selection moment

[lunar bolt]

from maip beds 💀

[dire zealot]

Honestly this should be a new Vanilla candidate for the roster

[winter marsh]

the humble early tyrannosaurs

[wind prairie]

ok no, not this time bro.

[native kindle]

the spikes were hollow its twofold what they were for like these things usually are, but yeah that's probably why they evolved. things like to bone

[wind prairie]

wait they were hollow??

[stiff osprey]

they were probably filled with bone marrow and stuff rather than just. nothing

[charred hearth]

do orca's have a higher bite force then trex or was i lied too?

[covert moat]

An orca has a bite force of 19000 psi compared to trex which has 8000

[stiff osprey]

this is because psi is a dumb measurement and likely incorrect

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-bite-force-in-PSI-of-an-Orca/answer/Michael-Banda-31?ch=15&oid=346928588&share=9736ee92&srid=AvoK&target_type=answer

quora moment but the guy cites his sources and makes reasonable comparisons to other animals, more likely orcas are around 19000 newtons instead of psi

while Tyrannosaurus is ~40000-65000 newtons

[charred hearth]

so rex has a stronger bite force in newtons?

wait, how can they both be so drastically different to eachother depending on the measurement?

[tough parcel]

Evidence we should never trust PSI?

[stiff osprey]

PSI is equally dependent on muscle force as it is the surface area of the teeth. Fewer inches = more PSI

A rat has very small jaw muscles but it has a strong bite in PSI because it has tiny teeth

[stark roost]

Anyone got a gastonia skeletal?

[winter marsh]

so basically PSI is bite force relative to the size

[stark roost]

So like does Eocarcharia not exist anymore

[outer tusk]

It does

[stark roost]

Alright. It’s just some materials assigned to an unknown spinosaur?

[winter marsh]

eocarcharia is the spinosaur. The carcharodontosaur doenst have a name

[sterile trail]

So I guess we getting a new Carcharodontosaur eventually

Unless it's from an already existing genus

[stark roost]

Aw that’s sad

[lavish frigate]

I don’t like that the question about orca bite force contains both an orca, and a person in a position that would let the orca test its bite force

[hardy sentinel]

That's some wild sexual dimorphism

[warm saddle]

Wasn't it just liek art of the brow that's known? How exactly can i be sure it's a spinosaurid

[balmy oyster]

It compares really well with spinosaurids like suchomimus & has unusual characteristics for being assigned as a carcharodontosaur

[warm saddle]

Hmmm alright..

[white matrix]

so is zhucheng top 3 biggest now?

[fossil ingot]

Possibly

Either that or Still Top 4

[stark roost]

Wuh

[fierce atlas]

This comment made me laugh more than it should've

[charred hearth]

IS THIS REAL? https://x.com/TheDarknix/status/1960730825344868789

The Darknix (@TheDarknix)

DINO NEWS!!!

Holy mother of God!!!!

New Study & material show us the extreme armor Spicomellus had, trully an Ark Style Dinosaur.

When life goes beyond fiction: https://t.co/zVfZXOQOLI

🎨: @Sketchy_raptor
#dinosaur #Science #ark #animals

X · Aug 27, 2025, 3:47 PM

[hardy sentinel]

Yes

[hardy sentinel]

Top 3 biggest theropods? I thought it was the smallest of the big 3 Tyrannosaurs

What changed

[charred hearth]

for people who cant acess twitter
plus the article :https://t.co/zVfZXOQOLI

[opal acorn]

are lurdusaurus and iguanadon both part of the Iguanodontidae family tree?

ive been told a few different answers and dont know what to believe

[thorn grove]

big femur and vert attributed to it, although idk if it's top 3 theropods still

[tough parcel]

People forget that the quarry has at least two other tyrannosaurs so they take the tweet at face value that Zhucheng is the one the femur belonged to

Evidence we should have just waited?

[white matrix]

Is tyrannotitan consider the most accurate model ingame? (The default sub, tyrannotitan itself)

[hardy sentinel]

Spinosaurus

Or Rhamph

[sudden wind]

Lurdu is not an Iguanodontid

[coral forge]

pretty sure mira is the most accurate

[hardy sentinel]

Checks out

[peak lintel]

Love this fella already, look so cool. And man, look at that glow up

[hardy sentinel]

I love this goofy little bagpipe

[coral forge]

lurd is an iguanodontian but not an iguanodontid

it goes something like

iguanodontia

• dryomorpha
• • ankylopollexia
• • • styracosterna
• • • • lurdusaurus
• • • • hadrosauriformes
• • • • • iguanodontidae

[coral forge]

erm actually its a didgeridoo because thats what its sounds are based on

[hardy sentinel]

It looks like a bagpipe but it has identity issues

[white matrix]

nice!!

[balmy oyster]

what happened to the quality 😭

[hardy sentinel]

Copy/paste off of google

[plain spade]

so eocarcharia is a spinosaur now?

[balmy oyster]

Only the anterior skull fragment, everything else assigned to it (including “kryptops” referred material) is a carcha of some sort

Everything here minus the maxilia is carcharodontosaur material

[plain spade]

got it

[undone rapids]

Metriacanthosaur*

[wraith jungle]

Whats the largest therapod as of currently?

[tulip dove]

Tyrannosaurus

[wraith jungle]

because people keeps gooning to the dentary giga

[brave nova]

Tyrannosaurus- 11.1t
Giganotosaurus- 10.7t
Spinosaurus- 8.5t
Carcharodontosaurus- 8.4t
Mapusaurus- 7t
Tyrannotitan- 6.7t
Taurovenator- 6.3t
Acrocanthosaurus- 6.1t
Meraxes- 5.7t
Sigilmassasaurus- 5.5t
(Carnivorous theropods)

[bitter quest]

Pretty sure acro got buffed up to 8-9 tons unless that paper got disproven already

[undone rapids]

The paper uses a different method to calc mass which has alot more soft tissue and a pretty different reconstruction which also cuz acro specimens are weird and not that complete. Its probably somewhere around 7 tonnes. More or less depending on how you reconstruct it and how much soft tissue you give it, the last point is for all dinos bit you'd need a scanned skeleton to apply the method

[crystal dock]

Gng wtf

[crystal dock]

Sail morph: is 7 tonnes
Hump morph: is 8 tonnes

This is only using Fran

[fossil ingot]

The Reason Demphy's Acro is so heavy is becaused the skeletal its based on its a Mount, if you use Franoys Acro and Apply Demphy's method and Soft Tissue it wouldn't change much

[crystal dock]

WHAT, FR!!!????

[fossil ingot]

Thats also why his Apato is suddenly 40t tmk

Both are the same Length Btw
Here you can see why an Acro weights 5.7-6.1t while the other is around 7-8t lol

[crystal dock]

Add GAT's in there for good measures

[fossil ingot]

His Acro is Based on this Fran Mount

[brave nova]

That’s with the museum mount and from what I’ve heard it isn’t that reliable

[bitter quest]

Fair point, I just wanted to point it out since some people going by it

[crystal dock]

As Glaive and a few others have said, it's simply just a different method of calculating the mass of certain dinosaurs rather than it being a correction of say GDI or other measurements

[elfin leaf]

Just saying but if you use some of the equations the paper offers all the large theropods become gigantic +

The one based on torso length has a very good R^2 coefficient of determination (meaning good correlation between what the method gives and the torso length)
Tho it underestimates large theropods (using this on AMNH rex gives ~400 kg less than their model) it still gives a 9.7t giga holotype 💀
Food for thoughts

[undone rapids]

The 6 tonne estimate is from gdi of franoys gigawith minimal soft tissue cuz GDI, 7-8 tonne estimate is after applying the expansion factors to the convex hull of acro using the scanned mount, alot more soft tissues were on this since they used Non-avian sauropsids and birds for soft tissue instead of just a thin line around the bones. different methods, different reconstructions

We dunno how much soft tissues non-avian dinosaurs had, they were very different from birds so how soft tissue they had is going to be very hard to prove or disprove, the method by the paper is pretty nice since it uses the closest known living relatives of dinos to estimate soft tissue.

[coral forge]

is oxalaia not bigger than sigil?

[brave nova]

Oxalaia has no real weight estimate and even those that I’ve seen, Oxalaia has been smaller

[coral forge]

yeah but oxalaia is cooler so therefore its bigger

[elfin leaf]

Oxalaia is a part of rostrum
Difficult to estimate its size with certainty
It's around the size or a bit bigger than the spinosaurus neotype

[coral forge]

also speaking of acro i once saw someone on tiktok trying to say acro beats rex because its spine acted like a bison hump and stored nothing but muscle giving it the strongest bite force of any dinosaur combined with its agility

they gave no source and then asked to debate people about it but ignored every logical argument

[coral forge]

yeah but its cool and therefore big because I said so

[elfin leaf]

I get you
Let's pretend it was barely grown and could reach 20m when adult !!!

[coral forge]

exactly
the holotype was a juvenile and real oxalaia was 25t and hunted sauropods

[elfin leaf]

Teeth morphology doesn't match that but maybe it hunted the giant blue sized fish that lived in the newly opened Atlantic ocean !?

[outer tusk]

Oxalaia is 3.9 tonnes, and Sigilmassassurus/Spinosaurus B is 5.5 tonnes

[pliant cedar]

tiktok paleontology is crazy

they glaze rex like lebron james

[snow python]

Is Rhizodus still estimated at 7m or was it downsized?

[coral forge]

they see a single tiktok about something and think theyre an expert

[pliant cedar]

last time i saw it was like 5-6

rhizodus is such a cool fish tho

[elfin leaf]

[white matrix]

huge femur found

[balmy oyster]

I think the femur isn’t too huge, it’s 1.21 meters

[white matrix]

I consider it huge, only other femur we have of zhuchengtyrannus is 80-85 forgot what it was exactly

[balmy oyster]

I think that specimen was a referred subadult?

[white matrix]

yeah

[brave nova]

Even with that its estimate shouldn’t even exceed 7t it seems likely its a 6-7t Zhu

But until it has official sizing who knows

[pliant cedar]

that would make it the 2nd largest tyrannosaur, which is still cool cause so far most others dont get close to rex

[balmy oyster]

The infamous missing 11~ meter tarbo:

[undone rapids]

The undescribed zucheng vs the undescribed tarbos...

Wonder what was stopping the native murican tyrannos from reaching such sizes.

[pliant cedar]

tyrannosaurus mcraensis probably implies that there were big rex ancestors in north america for a while, given how distinct it is from the non tyrannosaurus tyrannosaurs

may have dominated the top niche for the majority of the end cretaceous

[undone rapids]

Its still tyrannosaurini and apart of the whole tarbo-zucheng-tyrqnno subfamily which came later from asia. I was referring to the ones that were already in NA like Daspletos, albertos and teratos that didn't seem to wanna get to those sizes often.

[pliant cedar]

yeah
they may have crossed over earlier than we thought

[pliant cedar]

but as for those idk
maybe its just because there wasnt much need to

and maybe by the time there was need to, due to prey increasing in size, the tyrannosaurins had already arrived and it was too late

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo's Femur seemingly is 1.18m so is not so bad

[dire zealot]

I have a question
So what would be considered the largest species of hypsilophodont ?

[native kindle]

random guess, maybe in ceratopsian prevalent environments its harder to get a steady food source? in asia there was less large ceratopsians (seemingly) and more sauropods and large therizinosaurs that i guess would've been an easier food source for a 5+ ton tyrannosaur

[ancient meadow]

@cobalt egret Your comment makes me think you'd enjoy this video if you haven't seen it already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C3lR3pczjo

[cobalt egret]

I havent, but ill happily watch after i disconnect from my speaker at work. Thank you!!

[ancient meadow]

The staff of the museum I volunteer at have been having a multiple week long discussion about how we should answer the question of "are dinosaurs reptiles?" There is no technically correct answer since "reptile" (like "fish") has no exact scientific definition. So it becomes an issue of what is most helpful for the general public's understanding- should we treat reptile like a physiological classification or a cladistic one?

@waxen raptor @frail swift This relates to what yall are talking about as well (I'm afraid of angering alderon wombat with off topic discussion in backer chat lol)

[coral forge]

I don't see why 'reptile' cant just be used as a common name for sauropsids in the same way 'bird' and 'monkey' are common names for avians and simians

[ancient meadow]

That's the way I use "reptile", because I like to emphasize the evolutionary relationships of the things in the museum. However, many of my coworkers feel that saying "dinosaurs are reptiles" reinforces the misconception that dinosaurs are physiologically similar to things like lizards and crocodiles. This is a totally valid concern- in my experience, a lot of the general public uses the word "reptile" and "lizard" interchangeably.

A lot of science communication is deciding where to sacrifice technical accuracy for the sake of communicating the big ideas more clearly

[hardy sentinel]

That darned Linnaean system did this...

[wind prairie]

you gotta help em realize that not all reptiles are fully scaly, ectothermic crawling things, starting with birds

[wind prairie]

All you have to do is give a careful comparison between dinosaurs and birds, which would be step one imo. Even people who don't even know about the dinosaur-bird connection will see an emu at the zoo and say that it looks like a dinosaur, but they won't usually think anything on it

could help to mention the things around the word fish as well. Consider that sharks are traditionally "fish" but many of them (as well as other fish) are warm blooded, while most people think of all fish as cold blooded.

idk I'm just throwing out ideas that maybe could help

[ancient meadow]

For a large portion of the general public, the idea that "birds are reptiles" will at best make them confused and at worst make them incredulous towards the museum/paleontology/science as a whole

[ancient meadow]

I try not to touch the definition of fish with a 10 foot pole when speaking to the general public LMAO

[wind prairie]

I know but like if you take it slow instead of just dumping them into it, maybe it can work (cause yeah I agree that nobody won't question that for at least a moment)
cause think about it, immediately anyone will get that

• they both have scales - they both lay eggs - etc

[wind prairie]

fair lol

[wind prairie]

maybe show the weird early/transitional forms, like, teleocrater looks kinda like a fairly traditional reptile while also looking more dinosaur like, then a theropod is your quintessential dinosaur, and as you go down coelurosauria the transition into birds is fairly seemless

[wind prairie]

I didn't mean this in a rude way I'm so sorry if it came out that way

[opal acorn]

i once again arrive in need of a paleo-answer

is this an accurate achillobater? (was in a conversation on if alderons achillo is accurate)

[ancient meadow]

not at all!

[ancient meadow]

Unfortunately we only have specimen from the late jurassic and later, so not much to use in the way of transitional forms

I don't think most people have any problem with the idea that "one thing can evolve into a very different thing." It tends to be more of a problem with the concept of "you can't evolve out of a clade" (mainly because I don't have the time or resources to explain what a clade is or how they work lol). Saying "dinosaurs are reptiles" puts us on a path that often leads to "Well, if we aren't using physical characteristics to group animals, what are we using?" And that is a very difficult question to answer concisely

[brave nova]

Seems pretty accurate but pot achi is not accurate at all. Its extremely oversized and has pretty off posture

[pliant cedar]

seems so

[balmy oyster]

I just realized, what’s up with the maxilia

[pliant cedar]

i wonder why, i guess ceratopsians posed a more challenging hunt, or had behavioral adaptations that made them harder to catch

[brave nova]

Could it be different specimens? (Unsure on how many we have for achi)

Either that or whoever made the skeletal just messed it up

[pliant cedar]

maybe one is just preserving all the detail, while the other is just the assumed look if it hadnt been worn/damaged

[balmy oyster]

Maybe, but the proportions don’t match up too well & the posterior of the maxilla is weirdly pointy and squared on the skeletal

[pliant cedar]

yeah
fossils can become deformed tho

maybe we would need more maxilla to see if the differences are due to a unique specimen, or just deformity

[opal acorn]

yea aside from the size and posture, just how it looks

[balmy oyster]

It seems like there’s just this specimen only atm so I doubt it

[balmy oyster]

It’s best to look at the fossil itself but judging by the illustration it only seems to be deformed/destroyed at the back with the front looking sound

[pliant cedar]

yeah
might just be damage

[balmy oyster]

I mean this part looks pretty undamaged

[opaque epoch]

Guys how to get coins in path of titans

[balmy oyster]

Wrong channel

[opaque epoch]

Oh sorry

[balmy oyster]

No worries

[opaque epoch]

Just ask do you konw

[charred hearth]

whats y'alls thoughts on kyogre being based off of a pliosaur?

[pliant cedar]

no chance
its very much a whale, likely an orca

could be cool for a past paradox form

[opaque epoch]

Oh pokimon nice

[wind prairie]

he's an orca
but yeah wait a WWD liopleurodon esc kyogre paradox form would be so boss

[pliant cedar]

would be so hype

and groudon could be some kind of psuedosuchian

[charred hearth]

the sad thing is that wwd liop is bigger then it 💔

[wind prairie]

ngl??? groudon could become some weird half sauropod thing. They just have that god of earth vibe

either way it doesn't really make sense for those two or ray to have paradox forms because they themselves are ancient and the primal reversions are already explained as basically "their original forms in the past"

[charred hearth]

then how do the legendary dogs have original forms?

[wind prairie]

... don't ask
but at least they haven't been stated already to have past forms

[balmy oyster]

Giant ground sloth!!!!

[charred hearth]

well actually, if you dont believe that the eveelutions are the original forms of the legendary beasts, then the paradox forms are just that of the original unknown pokemon that ho-oh ressurected

[pliant cedar]

i mean, you could argue that the seas had more energy back then or smth, allowing it to grow larger

or maybe greater volcanic activity due to groudon prompted it to adapt

[wind prairie]

is this bait

[pliant cedar]

nah, i feel like that'd be too different

as afossil it'd be cool

[balmy oyster]

Are you bait

[charred hearth]

theres no evidence for any filter feeding itchy, right?

[pliant cedar]

from the larger ones no irrc
might be some obscure smaller one tho, its present in plesiosaurs so i wouldnt doubt an incthyosaur convergently evolving it

[charred hearth]

wouldnt they need like, baleen or something else to filter feed?

[opaque kayak]

apparently they can’t filter feed because they have some neck structure which is too weak for it iirc

[pliant cedar]

i see

[charred hearth]

plesiosaurs or icthy's?

[opaque kayak]

ichthys

[tough parcel]

Which one

[opaque kayak]

Supposedly all of them 🤔

[tough parcel]

All of them what!!!!

Plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, mosasaurs, what!!!

[pliant cedar]

all icthyosaurs

[wraith jungle]

no clue what he used for 10.7 tons for giga

[pliant cedar]

dentary maybe?
11.1 i have no idea, maybe cope or goliath

[wraith jungle]

Tyrannosaurus- 12.8t
Giganotosaurus- 8.5t
Spinosaurus- 4t
(Carnivorous theropods)

I dont like jaw bone scaling

Giganotosaurus Dentary Owner is overglazed and unreliable

[balmy oyster]

not that Goliath is any better to scale with

[wraith jungle]

rather that than some jaw bones

[brave nova]

Dentary

[serene sedge]

Tyrannosaurus being 12 tons is an insane overestimate

[wraith jungle]

ill listen to what experts says over some paleo enthusiasts

[brave nova]

It is, cope gets up to 11.1t atm and then Goliaths estimates aren’t reliable

[wraith jungle]

did u thragg it today btw?@brave nova

[balmy oyster]

It’s best if we got proper measurements of something because we’ve had times where experts overestimate the size of stuff

[serene sedge]

9 tons at the very most I can take but 12 tons is like a 50 foot rex. Also I am always around expert opinions, there are a lot of estimates for rex and I don’t believe that a 12 ton rex is possible unless that thing had some kind of gigantism.

[wraith jungle]

Atleast they actually study them

[stiff osprey]

it's not like any expert supports 13t tyrannosaurus anyway

or 4t spinosaurus for that matter

[balmy oyster]

4t holotype 8 ton neotype!!!!1!1!1!1!1!

[serene sedge]

Spinosaurus is something that I don’t know good estimates for because it’s kind of a fragmentary goofball. 4 tons 5 tons seems pretty solid for a full 40 foot Spinosaurus. Fella just ain’t built like rex or even giga.

[wraith jungle]

the animal of all time

[serene sedge]

Big dumb billboard pelican, I love it so much.

[brave nova]

Collectively there’s quite a lot of material for spino

[stiff osprey]

4t is a fine mass for the holotype, so it's not incorrect to say s.aegyptiacus is 4t

but unlike the giganotosaurus dentary, the north african skull material is clearly much larger (at least ~6t for the lower estimates of the NHMUK dentary)

[pliant cedar]

uhhhhhhhhh 12 tons and 4 tons for spino and rex is insane

but ig the holotype for spino is 4 tons

may just suggest significant size variation

[charred hearth]

was it possible that every dinosaur had significant size variant like edmonto?

[wraith jungle]

Makes a great movie monster too if u stylized it enough

[pliant cedar]

for sure

geography probably plays a factor too

[charred hearth]

who has the larger size variation, allo or edmonto?

[coral forge]

anyone have a good alio remotus skeletal? I cant seem to find one

[stiff osprey]

if you consider the entire genus then allosaurus is more variable (adult size 4.5 to 12 m)

but looking at individual species i believe e.annectens varies more

[coral forge]

well 5-13 tons for a single species is pretty big variation so like

and thats not even counting regalis

[sullen cairn]

I’m relatively agnostic to 12t rex if for no reason other than if Goliath showed up in an actual publication and Curtice isn’t making up its measurements 90% of workers would estimate it at nearly 12t

[stiff osprey]

who would win: goliath was found near perfectly preserved (youtube et al) or goliath was found in 1000 pieces and glued together (reddit et al)

[charred hearth]

this would be a stupid question but would hell creek be a good formation for drex to live in? drex ( we're gonna make it the same size as rex ) would be a small game hunter , ambushing small prey with its arms

[coral forge]

I hope goliath becomes invalid simply because tiktok powerscalers glaze him to oblivion
I saw someone say his bite force was 105k+ newtons

[winter marsh]

the incoming bomb that will vaporize all the pieces win

[sullen cairn]

Tangential but I remember someone on Reddit saying that dentary scaling was credible in every theropod except for tyrannosaurus because gsp
Not really relevant but I was reminded of it just now I found it amusing

[coral forge]

the official weight for d-rex is 12 tons iirc so its already the same size as a large rex

it probably has sauropod dna to reduce its weight or smth

[stiff osprey]

given that it has a top speed of 3 mph i don't think it's ambushing small anything

[coral forge]

btw random do you know a good length estimate for alio remotus by any chance

[stiff osprey]

i mean i guess the movie implies that it was hunting the titanosaurs but there's a notable lack of those in hell creek

[winter marsh]

alamoburger

[opaque kayak]

Private restored partial femur vs well described jawbone is really pushing it when you say one reliablity is objectively better

[charred hearth]

how the hell was it hunting those tit- oh yeah, compies could probably hunt them due to how weak sauropods in the jw movies ( and games ) are

[stiff osprey]

presumably it's around the same size as a.altai (5m)

[coral forge]

tbf the jwr titanosaurs are like 90% air so a large tyrannosaur would have no issue hunting them

in the movie they say the ones on the island are like 8 tons iirc

[opaque kayak]

also objectively the huge north african spinosaurines are above 4 tons, regardless of specific sizes down to the percentage. It’s like saying the huge anax is 3 tons because two centrum + I feel like it

[charred hearth]

whos the bigger weight fraud

jwr titanosaurs

Or

wailord, which weight puts it as having less desnity then both air and water

[coral forge]

cosmoem (its like 1ft wide but weighs 999kg)

[stiff osprey]

11 tonnes for an animal twice as tall as argentinosaurus

@charred hearth i think it depends whether you consider wailord's official 50ft height as its length or the depth of its body

[sullen cairn]

I dunno what wailord is but I’m gonna be really upset if it isn’t a whale

[stiff osprey]

the anime suggests it is 50 feet deep but then the anime also oversizes half of the pokemon anyway

[sullen cairn]

Perfect

[opaque kayak]

It’s weird how a fictional animal group like pokemon actually is smaller then irl animals

[stiff osprey]

i find it funny that none of the wild animal-looking pokemon are dangerous but then there are a bunch of doll/candle looking things that canonically kill people

[serene sedge]

Yeah although the actual factual river dragon look is still my favorite

[winter marsh]

wailord supposedly weight less than a ton

[hallow spear]

me when my pokemon lures children to their death?..

[stiff osprey]

and it's still legal to keep the ones that eat people's souls as pets

[charred hearth]

" It is whispered that any child who mistakes Drifloon for a balloon and holds on to it could wind up missing. "

[winter marsh]

fun fact, it canically hates obese children because it cant kidnap em

[coral forge]

a snail disintegrates the world just by existing

[hallow spear]

Mimikyu is just so sad, bro jus wants to be loved

[stiff osprey]

there's a horse pokemon that's heavier than wailord

more than twice as heavy actually (920kg vs 398kg)

[coral forge]

theres a fish pokemon that can produce millions of times more energy than there is in the entire observable universe with 0 effort

every pokemon is a literal god according to pokedex entries

[charred hearth]

whats your opinions on the lad?

[coral forge]

"the story of an abandoned child who was bullied into covering his face with a costume of a more friendly pokemon and will cause you to die by looking at it is sad"

"ok but look at this cool ass dinosaur"

[stiff osprey]

if i was mimikyu i would appreciate being shown a cool ass dinosaur so

[coral forge]

true
I hope we get a hadrosaur pokemon

[stiff osprey]

i wonder if you can restore spicomellus using scelidosaurus

[coral forge]

do it

[charred hearth]

funny how far spicomelleus has come

did nodasaurids come before anyklosaurids?

[coral forge]

yeah
nodosaurids are late jurassic ankylosaurids are early cretaceous

[coral forge]

restore deinocheirus using majungasaurus/tarbosaurus trust

[full lagoon]

I think we found the opposite of spicomellus

[charred hearth]

whos that? i forgot

[full lagoon]

Thyreosaurus, a stegosaur that opted for more armour like scutes

Findings like spicomellus and other unique thyreopherans really show how quickly the group diversified and coexisted between themselves despite this overlap.

[mellow gale]

Is anyone familiar with dinosaur and bird air sacs? I have a question

[charred hearth]

si

[balmy oyster]

Pretty sure this is just speculation, chances are it had regular plates

[full lagoon]

What about

[fossil ingot]

POT's Achillo Posture is actually quite alr, its main issue is the size

[pliant cedar]

i wish we got 4 slot brawler pycno

[covert moat]

Do you play mh as well?

[mellow gale]

I’m curious to know the validity of this image, it’s some titanosaur, most likely an Argentinosaurus and an ostrich

[full lagoon]

Sauropods likely also had additional pockets of air sacs throughout their necks

[mellow gale]

Thank you sm, would you say the air sacs depicted in this image are accurate otherwise?

[full lagoon]

I wouldn't know for sure, especially given we don't have extensive preserved internals, but there's a high likelihood that it was pretty similar.

[mellow gale]

Thank you so much

[rancid dove]

same,we add too siat mekkroum like a bleeding in 4 slot, it will be perfect.

[halcyon cobalt]

doesn’t Yang already do that

[winter marsh]

this is a brachiosaurid

[fossil ingot]

Brachio the Goat

[iron halo]

do we know where the edmusthosaurus joke originated from

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-2-nate-bargatze-gif-3629663037087366671

[balmy oyster]

probably as a joke towards people who glaze the two really big specimens of edmontosaurus as rex killers

[balmy oyster]

I just realze if you add a little bit of cartilage between verts you can make brachi longer

Like a short banana

[charred hearth]

twitter

[ancient crystal]

Probably from people who seriously believe edmontosaurus went through musth

[mellow gale]

Thank you sm

[winter marsh]

np

[lavish frigate]

Ha! Next you’ll tell me that not every triceratops vs Rex confrontation ended with 50,000 dead rexes and a trike saying “all I see is fear and dead animals”!

Blasphemy against the herbi awesomebro faith

[frigid delta]

does Para having this type of frill behind their head and between the crest is accurate or outdated?

[crystal dock]

Outdated

[charred hearth]

which of the aquatics and semi aquatics ( minus rhamp ) would be the safest to go diving with?

[native kindle]

Leedsichthys

[frigid delta]

what abt the whole model excluding the crest frill?

[charred hearth]

and the most dangerous?

out of these options, who would you feel safest diving with

1 - spinosaurus
2 - suchomimus
3 - sarcosuchus
4 - tylosaurus

[opaque kayak]

Diving with sucho because it feels the least aquatic

[lavish frigate]

Spino, i just have the gut instinct they were low key chill

[opaque kayak]

"Hey bro we chill right?"

[lavish frigate]

I have the gut instinct that unless you were a fish it would just be a big scaly capybara who sleeps a lot

[dusky jay]

Spino

[ashen wedge]

The spino is ironically enough my favorite design but least favorite dinosaur in the series

[drifting condor]

What do you think is the most owl like non avain dino is

[native kindle]

spino or tylo, and hope im small enough to not be worth the effort to eat

[ashen wedge]

Owls

[stark roost]

Well dinosaurs are archosaurs not reptiles. There closely related to reptiles tho

[balmy oyster]

Bad news

[stark roost]

Sorry bout that rizz 😭. I messed up that wording. But if I had to explain I feel like I’d say crocodilia and Dinosauria technically come from the same mother but different dads which make them related but like not 100% if you know what I mean

[balmy oyster]

Honestly this is a good question, I feel as if it’s used in a scientific & knowledgeable context then it should be fine as technically speaking archosaurs do clade under reptilia, even if a statement like “birds are reptiles” is…a rather weird one.

If done correctly it could have the possibility to teach people more about phylogeny and evolution which would be cool

[rancid dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Naturewasmetal/s/WrF9Nj957X

[ashen wedge]

Birds are dinosaurs; Avian Dinosaurs

[balmy oyster]

Somehow I do understand what you mean, but also it is kinda like this except the mother had 3 kids all weird and different, but one died and the other went through a complete shift in personality and lifestyle, while one kinda just chilled down and didn’t change much

[stark roost]

Ig bro

[balmy oyster]

Birds are reptiles and we’re all fish. The wonders of ✨ science ✨

[ashen wedge]

Technically we are all cells that came from one called organisms

[balmy oyster]

True

[ashen wedge]

So we are all related to plants, fungi, animals, and one celled organisms

[balmy oyster]

Erm isn’t it “celled” 🤓

[drifting condor]

?

[balmy oyster]

Err uhhhh trex!!!

[ashen wedge]

Dam I had a typo

[balmy oyster]

My autocorrect did the same thing too lol

[ashen wedge]

Cause technically birds are both apart of avian and non-avian dinosaurs cause lineage taxonomy

[ashen wedge]

Fine I’ll play by your rules, Terrorbirds

[opaque kayak]

Never think about the linnaean Human subspecies,.....

[hardy sentinel]

Bruh I looked it up and google is defending his ass 🥀💔

Saying they were "varieties" instead of being labeled as subspecies by the mf

[tribal trail]

A reminder to please keep this channel on the topic of paleontology. Memes or other off-topic discussions would not be appropriate for this channel. you can find the channel guidelines in the pinned messages

[hardy sentinel]

Aye aye

[ashen wedge]

Lunch

[drifting condor]

I heard it two times why do people keep saying t rexs modern counterpart would be an owl?

[lavish frigate]

I guess it works in a sense. Great vision and hearing, pretty stealthy

[drifting condor]

You could say that for most ambush predators

[ashen wedge]

Cause the person wouldn’t accept owls as the best owl counterpart

[thorn grove]

ridiculous, it's obviously a chicken

[full lagoon]

probably kaiwhekea, as it probably wouldn't have had much reason to mess with you at all, along with most likely not being too aggressive.

The majority of the long-necked plesiosaurs ate prey much smaller than themselves, and id assume they'd have a temperament much like a turtle or cetacean.

[ashen wedge]

That’s like me saying an orange is my blood-cousin on a family tree

[full lagoon]

Pretty sure they actually are quite closely related, with ratites and fowl being some of the closest related to non-avian dinosaurs

[thorn grove]

afaik all birds are equally related to non-avian dinosaurs, the term you're looking for is probably "basal" or related terminology

[full lagoon]

It would probably be about equal but yeah they diverged earlier, that probably means something at least, right?

[balmy oyster]

The insidious hadrosaur watermelon:

[ashen wedge]

Possibly existed

[hasty cargo]

I wouldn’t make that assumption about its temperament
Plesiosaurs would have been less intelligent than cetaceans and certainly not harmless
Especially for a 6.5 metre long animal with a snap jaw of needle sharp teeth

[balmy oyster]

Idk if we could assume they were less intelligent based on vibes

[full lagoon]

It's just an assumption, which is probably all we will ever have, and I didn't say it was harmless at all. I would keep fair distance from any of those creatures.

[ashen wedge]

Intelligence is overrated

[balmy oyster]

Fr look at stego!

[hasty cargo]

I never said stupid. Cetaceans are just mad intelligent is all I’m saying
In whatever case, I’d prefer swimming with the eurinosaurus

[full lagoon]

Either way it's very pretty to claim that it WOULD have been any particular way in terms of intelligence, even accounting for brain size.

[full lagoon]

I would agree that those two marine reptiles would probably be the safest bet, in terms of diet at the very least

Some long necked plesiosaurs did have features that hinted at attacking larger prey, but kaiwhekea most likely went after smaller fish and squid given it's build

[drifting condor]

NO YOUR WRONG

Btw what dino is that

[full lagoon]

This? probably a plateosaurus

[ashen wedge]

I walk a lonely road, but at least the raptors ain’t around me

[lavish frigate]

https://x.com/colossal/status/1961092928887046438 can someone explain who this fine gentleman of a tortoise is

Colossal Biosciences® (@colossal)

🐢 Meet the Bolson tortoise: North America’s largest, rarest land reptile and the star of the world’s only Pleistocene rewilding effort. With help from our Colossal Species Reintroduction Fund, and Turner Endangered Species Fund (@TurnerFund), it’s making a comeback.

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X · Aug 28, 2025, 3:46 PM

The heck does “only Pleistocene rewilding effort” mean here

[balmy oyster]

Colossal bioscience shenanigans

At least they did something pretty good here though

[opaque kayak]

Colossal's plans to revive Jaekelopterus

[ashen wedge]

Dam the lobster salad will go crazy

[stark roost]

What’s a dentary?

[stark roost]

Idk what you’re talking about. Those apatos in JW clearly fell over and broke there spine that’s why they couldn’t get up lol. The Indominus Rex just came later to eat them alive

[stark roost]

It has such a fitting name honestly. It has half armor and spikes. It literally is just a basic Thyreosauran.

[stark roost]

Is it possible for dinosaurs to go through Musth or is it just a mammal thing. I know it’s gotta do with this hormone thing that goes on the face of the elephants which constantly irritates it making it pissed at everything but like how

[balmy oyster]

I think it’s kind of just an elephant thing tbh

I definitely would not use elephant biology on archosaurs, elephants are already weird enough even for mammal standards

[stark roost]

?

[thorn grove]

i thought all herbivores went through musth, for example the vicious bull rabbit in musth

[tough parcel]

Not right now, they aren’t initiated

Only elephants can go into musth. It’s a trait specific to them though I can’t recall how far back this goes (I forget if mastodons were prone to doing so)

[stark roost]

Kk

[drifting condor]

largest troodontid?

[wraith jungle]

Lmfao

[charred hearth]

wasnt it stated that the indom was hunting them for sport??

[stark roost]

Hunted the old fodder anky that didn’t know how to fight. Silly jw am I right ( the sauropods solo still let me believe )

[charred hearth]

would a simple fall break a sauropods spine now that i think abt it

[balmy oyster]

I mean elephants can sustain some big injuries when falling so a 40+ ton animal falling will probably…hurt, to say the least

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/torvo-gif-22065732

like, would majroity of its bones be shattered?

[severe yew]

yea, the bones would be pulverized, then disintegrate into nothing in a matter of seconds

[sleek hound]

I actually weigh 40 tonnes and nothing happens to me when i fall over!

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanyewest-yeezy-meme-gif-22503154

exactly like this

[hardy sentinel]

I love Spicomellus

[hardy sentinel]

I dunno

[pliant cedar]

part of the lower jaw that holds teeth

in mammals its the entier lower jaw

[coral forge]

better question is how is a 4 ton torvosaurus jumping and pushing over a 15 ton diplodocus

[coral forge]

well
force is calculated by
mass (kg) × acceleration (m/s²) = force (N)
if we assume thats an average size diplodocus with a back height of ~3.9m, the distance it would fall over would be ~6.125 meters
the fall happened in 1.01 seconds meaning it had an acceleration of 6.125m/s²
again assuming its an average sized diplodocus that weighs 15t, the force of the fall in newtons would be
15,000 × 6.125 = 92,000 newtons (rounded)
which is the same as a bus going 50mph

so yeah every single bone in that things body should be shattered on impact

[tough parcel]

Or we look at real animals and realize that mathematical equations don't work to calculate if an animal's entire body explodes upon movement (elephants falling, rhinos galloping, etc)

[coral forge]

I never said it would explode, I simply said that it would almost definitely sustain major injuries and definitely wouldn't be able to get up and fight immediately after

[tough parcel]

so yeah every single bone in that things body should be shattered on impact
I apologize for taking this as the animal's bones exploding, I realize I should have taken it as ???

[coral forge]

Ok mabye "it would most likely break several ribs at least" would be a better way to phrase it

[tough parcel]

Oh 100% would've been better

Plus animal bones are usually built to withstand the stresses of being a part of a living organism

[coral forge]

also if an elephant can die from falling over and their entire body is basically one big shock absorber, imagine something 3x the weight

[tough parcel]

I don't think an elephant has...died from simply falling over

I think there's a few videos actually showing that doesn't happen

[tulip dove]

https://youtu.be/Xt2D_GmYPXs?si=6A_QfAPTFN0lN2hD

[coral forge]

a lot of animals can die from simply falling over
even humans can sustain life altering injuries from simply slipping and falling

[tough parcel]

Love the second one helping it up like "My God man, pull yourself together"

[coral forge]

notice how that elephant

1. wasnt fully grown
2. landed on its leg rather than its torso or head minimising injury
3. landed on a soft surface
4. despite all that still had a visible limp at the end that it didnt have at the start
5. required help from a larger individual to stand up again

[tough parcel]

1. Where on earth are you getting that it wasn't fully grown

2. It landed pretty nastily on its side and leg, both of which have bones that would have "shattered on impact"

3. Considering it's an elephant, I'm questioning how far the mud would've cushioned it before it gave way to dry earth beneath

4. Yea duh, no-one said it got away unscathed but it recovered fairly quickly when it got up

5. I don't think it "required" help, just that the second individual was nearby and being an elephant, went to help (if anything, it might've been the matriarch as it seems to be the largest of all of them in the beginning)

[halcyon cobalt]

guy who doesn’t know what bull means:

[coral forge]

1. its considerably smaller than the other elephants

2. the scenario i was talking about was a sauropod landing directly on its torso

3. enough to greatly reduce the force of the impact

4. the way you were talking made it seem like that's what you were saying

[tough parcel]

So true, definitely "considerably smaller" than the other elephants. This is why it appears to be the same size as the other elephants! As for #2, it applies here still because regardless of it being the torso or leg, it's a multi-ton animal landing directly on its bones which I'd wager does not mathematically stack up

Do you have a mud measurement for #3?

[crystal dock]

Perhaps it's a dwarf!

[halcyon cobalt]

nanotyrannuselephant

[kindred night]

https://x.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1961371957254930546?t=S1-TXtzAjdujMoy5ShqRmg&s=19

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo)

Just got word that the dean of Mongolian vertebrate paleontology, Rinchen Barsbold, passed away at age 90. A pivotal figure in the history of paleontology in his nation, and of the study of theropods.

X · Aug 29, 2025, 10:14 AM

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/darthvader-nooooo-funny-starwars-no-gif-4920019

[ancient crystal]

As far as I know its not really even a mammal thing, only an elephant thing.

Sure, other animals go through behavior altering hormonal imbalances during their mating seasons, but nothing like musth afaik. As disingenuous as it already is to liken mammalian biology to that of dinosaurs, it is even more so to suggest they went through a musth.

[rancid dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Naturewasmetal/comments/1mwkvea/skulls_of_tylosaurus_and_other_mosasaurs_that/

[full lagoon]

Does the name of the community "Naturewasmetal" imply that nature is no longer metal?

[rancid dove]

The 3rd image shows that sharks targeted the head the most, the tail second, and the hindquarters third

[native kindle]

there is also natureismetal

[ancient crystal]

Its an offshoot of the natureismetal subreddit specifically for prehistoric life

[rancid dove]

why in the Path of Titans community people find the weird Permian sharks (like Helicoprion or Stethacanthus) more 'stylish', but in terms of realism and ecological impact, Cretoxyrhina deserves much more respect ngl

Basically, it wasn’t just a "Cretaceous white shark," but an aggressive, powerful, and strategic predator, one of the few capable of standing up to the large marine reptiles.

[ancient crystal]

Because they find the traditional mackerel shark body plan boring because they're dumb

Its why megalodon is so often referred to as "just a big shark"

We live in a world where sharks are boring and uninspired

[rancid dove]

It's sad to think this; the sharks from the Cretaceous and modern ones certainly have almost the same traits, but in terms of lifestyle and ecology, it's totally different, like comparing a Lyviathan to an orca

[ancient crystal]

Oh I have bad news about how people like to compare livyatan and orcas

[rancid dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Naturewasmetal/comments/1n2q1r2/a_young_tylosaurus_is_attacked_by_a_juvenile/ Have you seen her already?

[ancient crystal]

I saw this just the other day when I was looking for an old pre-downfall Shark Week clip that APPARENTLY has been WIPED FROM THE INTERNET

[rancid dove]

it's mainly the people who are boring to think this way, the crocodiles in the game are all the same, however a shark is boring, good joke

[coral forge]

there are people who genuinely think orcas drove megalodon to extinction
the orca glaze is crazy

[rancid dove]

while it was dolphins that are hiding

[ancient crystal]

You know, I can think of something far more devastating to established oceanic life that happened around the time Megalodon went extinct

[coral forge]

ngl orcas probably only became apex predators BECAUSE megalodon went extinct

the genus orcinus has been around for 4 million years meaning it overlapped with megalodon for almost half a million years, yet modern orcas are by far the largest of the 4 species and also happen to be the only ones that showed up after megalodon went extinct

[rancid dove]

after has lived for 60 million years

[coral forge]

the appearance of homo...

[ancient crystal]

Well I was thinking about a certain isthmus that formed

[fossil ingot]

Poor 6.4m Mosasaur

[ancient crystal]

WAIT HOW CAN YOU WRITE THAT?

Did they finally uncensor our own genus name?

[rancid dove]

Yes, it must have been bitten in the skull...Maybe he is dead, right

[coral forge]

nope

[fossil ingot]

Thats why Big Mosas rules

[rancid dove]

these sharks are great enemies, even for an adult. If you encounter 2 or 3 large Cretoxyrhina, it's still dangerous

I hope pot they will add a cretoxyrhina, I really want to play it and fight against tylo

[coral forge]

The only way we'd get a shark is if it was a critter probably.
By the looks of it they're only adding mesozoic reptiles (+megalania but that was requested by a donation or smth so it doesn't count)

[ashen wedge]

What words was it?

[coral forge]

our genus

[ashen wedge]

Lambeosaurus

[coral forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosauria-dead-sound-youtube-indie-animation-dino-gif-6637884190160938828

[ashen wedge]

Nah, my favorite is Parasaurolophus (it’s neighbor and cousin)

https://tenor.com/view/parasaurolophus-twerk-twerkeri-walkeri-dinosaur-gif-22196291

[jolly spade]

That reminds me how a week or two ago, I was looking for a video of the remade scene of the kitchen in Jurassic Park 1 with paleo-accurate raptors that started with an actual velociraptor/deinonychus not even reaching the door and ONLY then switching to a Utahraptor-sized dino to move on with the rest of the film (the way its eyes looked around was honestly terrifying), but I never managed to find it again after the first time I saw it, about 3 years ago. I only found another recreation that's more recent and probably does the job but still didn't scratch that itch.

[stark roost]

Why do people hate Dentary fossil scaling

[pliant cedar]

jaw size can vary a lot even amongst organisms of the same size (look at the different jaw structures in our species)

so its super unreliable

[stark roost]

I’m surprised that back leg didn’t break haha

[stark roost]

Ok

What is camps theropod

[pliant cedar]

some super fragmentary giant metriacanthosaur

[undone rapids]

Fragment of a theropod femur from Jurassic China, probably some type of Huge Metri or Megalosaur,

[pliant cedar]

mysterious yang rival

[stark roost]

Then it’s valid 😂✌️. Mega theropod metriacanthosaur, count ME and all of YOU in

[coral forge]

WE as in ME AND YOU hate metriacanthosaurs

[stark roost]

Metriacanthosaurs best theropods bro don’t test me 😭✌️

[coral forge]

shant better

[stark roost]

Is a Shant a theropod bro 💔

[coral forge]

yes

[stark roost]

We do not talk about the font change 😭✌️

[coral forge]

what font change

[charred hearth]

would the torvosaurus have even been able to push over the Dinheirosaurus?

[pliant cedar]

ban this dude

[coral forge]

nah

[pliant cedar]

Was about to correct you cause i thought u had fumbled deinocheirus really badly at first, mb 😭

but it seems to have only weighed like 8-10 tons (which is pretty suprising for a 20-25 metre sauropod)

so a big torvo could probably knock it over

[coral forge]

probably not since diplo was 15 tons for the smallest species and the largest torvo specimens are barely above 5 tons so it probably wouldn't even be able to jump in the first place

[charred hearth]

isnt diplo's smallest species 11 tons...

[coral forge]

is it? The lowest I've seen in 15

[pliant cedar]

deino seemed to have only weighed like 8-10

which i think could be knocked over if the torvo aimed for its neck

[coral forge]

Isn't dinheiro invalid now though

[charred hearth]

also, the sauropod was already off balance when the torvo lunged at it ( not the best repersentation but im too slow to screenshot the starting frame )

[pliant cedar]

doesnt seem so

[coral forge]

I swear I saw something about it being a diplo/supersaurus species now

[pliant cedar]

its theorized, but further analysis is needed

[coral forge]

that was like 7 years ago though so like I was still pretty young snd probably just misinterpreted something

[pliant cedar]

lol

[charred hearth]

who deserved better, dominion giga or revolution torvo

[pliant cedar]

revolution giga, dude was just being territorial and got jumped

torvo couldve easily avoided this scenario

[wind prairie]

"a noisy and brash approach ruins the kill" I kinda forgot how much aura he had

[coral forge]

revolution torvo was kosing in crater and got jumped by a mega mixpack

[pliant cedar]

'baby killer ic'

[coral forge]

dominion giga was just being territorial and happened upon 2 other territorial dinos at the same time who just so happened to be friendly to each other

[wind prairie]

another thing I love about this scene is the way the miragaia rattle. I wonder if stegosaurs or more well endowed ankylosaurs like spicomellus could rattle their plates/spines together to make that sound

[charred hearth]

torvosaurus got

• slapped by a mira tail in the leg
• body shoved by a sauropod
• got combo kicked by a baby sauropod
• had the top teeth of a allo in its neck which really did nothing because its jaw is broken
• stood there and got stomped out by a sauropod

[pliant cedar]

bro shouldve dipped when the sauropod got angry

giga just got jumped and couldnt escape

[coral forge]

probably not since theres nothing to rattle off

[lost moon]

this clip is so funny to me it’s very path of titans like. especially the allo mixpacking

[coral forge]

a few hours after 1v1ing the allo too

[pliant cedar]

bro was revenge killing

[charred hearth]

did the allo really do anything to it though

[wind prairie]

there is so much wdym

[pliant cedar]

they arent that flexible

[coral forge]

no there isn't

[charred hearth]

i thought stegosaurids were quite flexible?

[coral forge]

mabye, but their bones aren't

[pliant cedar]

the tail is
not the osteoderms iirc

[charred hearth]

@hallow spear do you have that paper relating to stego flexibility?

[coral forge]

their plates/spikes are bone so they wouldn't be able to move them enough to rattle them against each other

imagine an elephant rattling its tusks

[coral forge]

that's cheating you can't ask a literal stegosaurus about stegosaurus

[wind prairie]

they were fairly flexible, but they didn't really need to be, it's just about the spines hitting against each other. I think it's more how deeply rooted and stiff are the spines

[coral forge]

flexibility =/= being able to freely dislocate your bones at will

[wind prairie]

obv they can't consciously move the spines but I'd expect them to swing around a little bit when the animal makes certain movements, and given how close together some of them are, couldn't we expect that

nobody said anything about dislocating bones????

[coral forge]

they wouldn't be able to rattle them without dislocating them

[wind prairie]

how dude
do you see how close together they are

[coral forge]

they arent close enough to be able to rattle

[wind prairie]

they are literally clumped up all around each other

[coral forge]

they aren't. Yes the rows are clumped together in some places but both rows arent close to eachother

[wind prairie]

it doesn't have to be with spines from the other row

[coral forge]

it does. You cant move something forwards and backwards by moving sideways

[hallow spear]

that isnt even dislocating??

[hallow spear]

they are embedded in the body they are not attached to anything solid, purely muscle attachments, and ones like Miragaia are not as deeply embedded as say Stegosaurus is

[hallow spear]

they are pretty flexible, both the tail and body in general
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382649031_MIRAGAIA_TAIL_BIOMECHANICS_AND_DEFENCES_EVALUATION_OF_THE_TAIL_MOBILITY_AND_RESISTANCE_TO_LOADINGS_AND_COLLISIONS
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00015-010-0024-2

[stark roost]

.

[wind prairie]

and when did I say it had to be moving sideways

[wind prairie]

thank you, I figured as such

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[charred hearth]

so could they theroretically rattle together?

[wind prairie]

I don't see why not (for some stegosaurs anyway). Kinda ridiculous to assume they'd be completely rigid in their attachment

[stiff osprey]

in Miragaia and Stegosaurus it could be possible, in Kentrosaurus there are massive gaps between spines, so they cannot touch

[wind prairie]

that's true, I was mainly just using kentro for that example of motion

[charred hearth]

im also confused, could a stegosaurid dislocate its plate / or spike despite having no joint there?

[ancient crystal]

Dammit guys, I was on a research ship, you could've saved the arguement for when I got back

[severe yew]

PNSO and Haolonggood are decently paleontologically accurate dino figures

I am about to get:

1. Trex
2. Stego
3. Spino
4. Brachiosaur
5. Acro
6. Ankylo
7. Trike

in your opinion, are there any other essential dinos that I am missing?

• i can only add like 2 or 3 more max

[coral forge]

lambeosaurus (not biased)

[topaz shell]

What about the brontosaurus by haolonggood

[severe yew]

they have bronto ? 🤔

[severe yew]

what do you think about shantosaurus, bro?

[severe yew]

oh, damn 👍

[coral forge]

I like all hadrosaurs equally

[severe yew]

i was just mentioning shant because isn't it supposed to be bigger?

[coral forge]

yeah shant is the biggest hadrosaur

[topaz shell]

Apa is bigger

[severe yew]

that's what i thought

and, isn't parasaur also considered a hadrosaur?

[severe yew]

so between bronto, apatosaur, and brachiosaur, wich one would you go for?

just saying because brachi is kind of pricey and don't know if i can get other long necks for now

[topaz shell]

Personally I would go for bronto because it’s newer and has better scale definition

[coral forge]

yeah

[severe yew]

i see 🍻

[coral forge]

bronto looks coolest

[severe yew]

if i could, i would get them all because they are all awesome 🔥

but i would go broke 😂

argen alone is not cheap at all

.
i heard that there will be a severe shortage due to tariffs, so i think i need to do it before that happens

😭

[stark roost]

Magnapaulia better tho

[coral forge]

used to be a lambeo species so obviously its top 2 hadrosaurs

[stiff osprey]

I had to save for a year to get the argent 💀 and mine is still in transit

[coral forge]

bro how expensive is that thing

[stiff osprey]

230-290 USD
not counting shipping and import taxes

[pliant cedar]

tyrannotitan

[stark roost]

Why was magnapolia so big tho. Also what was the 2nd biggest Lambeosaurine

[severe yew]

and then with argen, not only the price, but as awesome as it is, you also have to find a big space to place it 😅

since it is still in transit, hopefully you won't be charged tariffs, bro

[severe yew]

yea, i like that one, and pnso giga 🔥

[coral forge]

because it w1as chonky and lived with tyrannosaurus

and the 2nd largest lambeosaurine is charonosaurus

[hallow spear]

Their stego should be lower, its based on the Chimeric YPM mount

[thorn grove]

Tyrannosaurus isn't in Magnapaulia's formation iirc

[hallow spear]

Tsintao or Amurosaurus perhaps?

[coral forge]

Isn't T. Mcraeensis in Ojo Alamo?

[thorn grove]

Doesn't matter cuz Magnapaulia isn't, it's in the El Gallo

also I think Charonosaurus is the second biggest

[coral forge]

last I checked it was

1. magna
2. charono
3. amuro
4. p. tubicen
5. p. cryocristatus

[hallow spear]

Its between Charonosaurus and Tsintaosaurus (large tibia or femur specimen)

[coral forge]

oh youre right
idk where i got magna being from ojo alamo from lol

[topaz shell]

What are the Ceratosuchopini
I quite literally have just heard of them

[coral forge]

how big is the tsintao specimen

[hallow spear]

It’s pretty big but also very lacking on info about it, I’ll send a pic

[coral forge]

a group of baryonichine spinosaurids

[hallow spear]

https://www.fixdeviantart.com/jweft/art/Tsintaosaurus-1081513502 the link shows the bigger specimen, the photo shows my edit with the smaller and larger specimen with a scalebar

[stark roost]

Why does everyone say Tsintaos so big but so much people say it isn’t so big? Why is it so disputed?

[coral forge]

I dont think a hadrosaur size has ever not been disputed

[stiff osprey]

big tsintao is like an extremely obscure single bone specimen that has no mention in western literature and may or may not exist

[thorn grove]

the best kind of specimen

[hallow spear]

I did find said specimen in literature once I just.. can’t remember where I found it lmao

[stark roost]

lol ig

[hallow spear]

It’s a 1.3m tibia if it does exist

[coral forge]

I assume thats just the hadrosaur version of goliath

a specimen comprised of a mostly complete 1300mm femur that may or may not actually exist

is there a weight for the specimen or nah?

[hallow spear]

I estimated it at like mid to high 6t based on a volumetric estimate of the smaller specimen

[coral forge]

so still smaller than charono

[hallow spear]

No Charono weighs less it’s like 6.6t based on @sullen cairn scaling iirc

[coral forge]

I thought it was 8.6

[stark roost]

Wasn’t charano bigger then any para?

[outer tusk]

The original skeletal from your edit is by GAT right?

[thorn grove]

mine's newer

but charono is over 8 t either way

[severe yew]

yea, i am getting the one you told me, bro, the pnso that comes with a baby stego, it does look amazing 🔥

[outer tusk]

That one is older, the one with the red prosaurolophus is newer

[coral forge]

so bars is only 5.5t now?

[outer tusk]

yeah

[coral forge]

damn 💔

[outer tusk]

why we sad, like 5,500kg is just nothing in 2025 😭

[coral forge]

as long as they dont touch my goat magna its fine
-# unless they wanna bring back that 24.5t estimate

[charred hearth]

so the top 5 largest pot creatures are

leed - 40 tons
rex - 8 - 12 tons
tylo 7 - 8 tons
stego 4 - 8.1 tons
i dont know whos 5th....

[severe yew]

what about shant?

[outer tusk]

shant isn't in POT 😭

[coral forge]

if its going off largest speciment spino should be 4th

then probably duck titan bars sucho iggy

[charred hearth]

wouldnt eo be above bars, sucho and iggy?

[coral forge]

wasnt eo only like 4-5t

[charred hearth]

someone told me like 5 - 6

[fossil ingot]

Where is Spino?
Smh

[charred hearth]

i was unsure about its max weight

[hallow spear]

the PSNO one is very cute

[fossil ingot]

Yeah.
Eo is about 6t
Iggy is close to 6t but if you wanna use the Totally reliable Isle of Wright Specimen you can get it bigger

@charred hearth Spino caps at 8.3-8.5t

[coral forge]

to my knowledge using largest specimens it would be
4. spino 8.5t
5. stego 8.1t
6. duck 6.9t
7. titan 6.7
8. bars 5.5t
9. sucho 5.3t
10. iggy 5t
11. eo 5t

[fossil ingot]

Also is current Leed at 12-12.5m still 40t?
Fat Fish lol

[stark roost]

Eo or bars/tt

[charred hearth]

still crazy how the second largest thing in the roster is rex

[fossil ingot]

Rex I would say Caps at 11.1t
Cause Goliath Sucks and Cope Sucks but just a bit less

[hallow spear]

Eo is def more than 5t

[coral forge]

I suck at ceratopsian stuff so like idk

[fossil ingot]

Is like
7m right
Atleast based on what Random's iirc
So its Likely 6 tonnes.
Is not as Big as Trike or Toro but still decent

Duck should also likely be around 7.1t cause iirc 6.9t is not using .97 density iirc

[coral forge]

I was gonna put 6.9-7.2 but I just went with 6.9 to be safe

[fossil ingot]

Tylo should be 3rd
Cause Big Tylo is around 8.9

So

1. Leeds (Fat Fish)
2. Rex
3. Tylo
4. Spino
5. Stego (for now)
6. Deinocheirus
7. Titan
8. Eo
9. Bars
10. Iggy (if we wanna validate the Isle of Wight Specimen you can Jump it to 3rd)
11. Sucho
12. Allosaurus

Dasp is maybe 15?
Alberta should be Heavier.
Idk about Mira tho, Dasp prpb Heavier than Mira
Allo and Alberta may be close actually.
Amarga is prob Close Contender too

[paper parcel]

We need these guys in officials

[sudden wind]

Fck no

[fossil ingot]

[paper parcel]

Nah they would be perfectly balanced by high food drain

[coral forge]

1. leed 40t
2. rex 11.1t
3. tylo 8.9t
4. spino 8.5t
5. stego 8.1t
6. duck 6.9t
7. titan 6.7
8. eo 6t
9. bars 5.5t
10. sucho 5.3t
11. iggy 5t
12. allo 4.5
13. amarg 4t
14. alberta 3.5t
15. sarco 3.4t
16. dasp/pycno 3t
17. kai 2-3t
18. lamb 2.9t
19. sty 2.7t
20. mira 2t
21. kentro 1.6t
22. metri 1.2t
23. cerato/meg/pachy 1t
24. campto 700kg
25. alio/conc 400kg
26. achillo 350kg
27. hatz 300kg
28. struthi 150kg
29. laten 110kg
30. deinon 70kg
31. thal 3kg
32. rhamp 0.5kg
    ?

[sudden wind]

Funnily enough they'd be tier 2 lol

[coral forge]

nothing in this game is balanced
they'd have 0.0001 food drain, 1300 sprint speed, 0.15 sprint stamina drain, 26000 combat weight and a 437 damage tail attack with 0.1s cooldown

[paper parcel]

We need this in game, but like, with realistic stats

[coral forge]

trust me you do NOT want realistic stats

[paper parcel]

I do and, I am tired of pretending I don't.

[coral forge]

you want rex and eo to 1 shot the whole roster?
you want to encourage megapacks by making hadrosaurs only viable in herds due to their lack of defense against large predators when solo?
you want ano to be a walking snack for apexes?
you want spino duck and sucho to not be fully semi aquatic?

[winter marsh]

argent taking tickle damage from gigas and one shotting anything except themselves

[paper parcel]

I just want realistic sauropods, pretty simple.

[winter marsh]

also spino would be fairly semi aquatic, just not as fast as in-game and would spend more time in the shore

[wind prairie]

so lariosaurus probably couldn't move on land, right?

[paper parcel]

They need to remove saltwater from the game so more would explore the map.

[winter marsh]

panjura exists :3

[paper parcel]

Problem, it's panjura

[fossil ingot]

4.5t Allo is Interesting
And Iggy should be Closer to 6t than Sucho is

[sudden wind]

Like other Nothosaurs

[winter marsh]

and its awesome. Stick to your cool redwoods and leave my ocean alone

[coral forge]

ngl there should be a realistic stats server where combat weight = irl kg and stuff
just watch the chaos unfold because of how unbalanced it is

[paper parcel]

Sauropods would be viable

[fossil ingot]

Conc is around 600kgs btw
Hatz I doubt its 300kgs I would have to double check but should be lighter than Quetz
Meg is NOT 1 ton
And Alio we don't even have an Adult

[winter marsh]

80000 cw argent muahahahah (idk if its even possible)

[coral forge]

is anax not 4.5?

[fossil ingot]

Anax is around 4.8t
But AMNH 5767/Fragilis/"Amplexus"
Is +5t

[winter marsh]

hatz is bulkier than quetz, idk if it would be heavier

[coral forge]

I was gonna put like 300kg for meg but apparently the largest we have for it is 1040kg

[fossil ingot]

Meg should be a about 600-700kgs, a 6.3m Meg is NOT over 1t unless its obesd

[fossil ingot]

Hatz is Barely Bulkier than Quetz

[paper parcel]

80000 times 0.15 is 12000, the prenerf arg cw, problem solved

[coral forge]

this is what I went off

[winter marsh]

that doesnt solve the fact that argent is still slow af and can be stalled to death lol

[paper parcel]

Nah args one-shot things on accident irl, it would be pretty hard to stop one

[winter marsh]

lanky ahh build

[fossil ingot]

Kentro been 1.6t is weird

[charred hearth]

why so?

[winter marsh]

anything does if the thing they trample is the size of their foot

[fossil ingot]

Like, Maybe??
Depends how Boxy it is

[coral forge]

1.6 was the highest i found for it, definitely not the average though

[winter marsh]

that is the height of a pony, and guessing kentro is a very obese spiky pony, yeah I can see that

[paper parcel]

Argent also has the weight to back it up btw, only thing is it would need to eat constantly

[fossil ingot]

Styra is also just 1.4t

Alio we have no Adult so getting a Proper Size for it is
Yeah

[winter marsh]

so you are basically asking for an 80 ton rhamphy cuz if its life accurate then it would be invincible, everyone would avoid you because you can one shot anything and your gameplay would be constant eating and drinking because if you dont eat 1000 bushes you starve to death

[coral forge]

alioramini are stinky but I love them

[hallow spear]

Im pretty sure i got kentro at like 1.4 or 1.5t

[paper parcel]

Megapacks exist

[fossil ingot]

Dasp Prob Caps at 3.7-3.9t if we wanna use Pete III
Even the Torosus Holotype is like 3.3-3.6t or smth

[winter marsh]

oh yeah, and make you one shot everything, and there is no such thing as coolodown baiting irl

[fossil ingot]

Fat fk

[paper parcel]

Nah I'm pretty sure a megapack of gigas could kill a arg with bleed

[fossil ingot]

Also Pachy is 1t?
I know Pachy is wide and all but 1t?

[stark roost]

Bars so long but so light

[winter marsh]

if we are gonna do like this then make so titans can group up to 10 and your herd members ignore you getting mauled cuz its none of their business that you are getting maimed by 10 hungry ahh theropods

[coral forge]

hadrosaurs generally arent too bulky

[paper parcel]

So, post nerf arg but in groups, and instead of 10 it's 2

[fossil ingot]

5.5t at 10.93m is not bad
Look at Sucho
12.1-12.3m and only 5-5.3t lol

[winter marsh]

pre* also you wanted a realistic sauropod, not pre nerf argent (it didnt change anything anyways since everything got their cw nerfed)

[fossil ingot]

Iggy is also Likely Heavier than Sucho

[coral forge]

is 5.5t iggy valid again?

[paper parcel]

Realistic arg would require you to eat constantly to grow

[outer tusk]

yes

[fossil ingot]

Argent is like
72-75t either way
Is not exactly easy to balance this mf lol

[winter marsh]

and youd take uhm idk 20 years to reach adult size

[paper parcel]

Make it 20 hours so it's balanced and takes effort

[coral forge]

any large sauropod is a balancing nightmare
theres a reason amarg is the only sauropod

[fossil ingot]

The Cooler 67t Brachio is likely easier to balance than Argent lol

[limber plaza]

I feel like we will need a new map for the big sauropods

[winter marsh]

and somehow its still creepy af to fight one because of that stupid range and knockback

[scenic flame]

Stegosaur plates/spikes are osteoderms, they're not connected to the rest of the skeleton as by definition they're free floating bones imbedded in the skin, wouldn't make the super flexible by any means but you can't dislocate something that isn't fixed in a socket etc

[coral forge]

and what happens after those 20 hours when you have your unkillable server destroying kos machine?

[paper parcel]

Sauropods are just op irl, pretty simple.

[coral forge]

which is why they arent in the game

[fossil ingot]

I wouldn't say OP
Just hard to approach, Their Main Weapon is been so large
Which is why To Big Sauropods in a Game like this Suck
Cause they WILL be Slow but in a Game Like this
Doesn't work

[winter marsh]

do you like The Isle? Go play there as a Stego and come back to tell me your experience

[paper parcel]

Idk, die of starvation and become a infinite carn food source and hotspot

[limber plaza]

Thats when you bring out the carcha

[charred hearth]

or the tyrannosaurid

[stark roost]

No maara, wowww

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo the Goat

[coral forge]

so adding argent

1. promotes hotspots (something theyre trying not to do)
2. destroys servers
3. destroys balancing

and once you die it takes like 10 mins to get back to adult

[limber plaza]

Rhamp would come in clutch with the sauropod hunger drain

[paper parcel]

10 hours for argent, make the longer growth times only apply to argent

[winter marsh]

this is why PoT is not realistic and I like it because its FUN. Apexes dont eviscerate anything with one swipe of their weapons, so small creatures with large packs have a chance of killing them with team effort. Ive fought an argent with like 100 compies and still took us about 20 minutes to kill it WHILE WE WERE DYING. If it was realistic we wouldnt even be able to deal damage cuz of its thick skin

[coral forge]

so you want it to take 300 hours to grow a single dino

why is replying not working...

[limber plaza]

They prob wont add any big sauro before gta 6 so dont get excited

[cloud dagger]

This is paleo channel

[winter marsh]

I dont have a problem with argent since it gets eviscerated by a duo of gigas/titans or packs of bleeders

[coral forge]

im glad stats arent realistic because hadrosaurs would be unplayable

[winter marsh]

lambeo is easy meat for cerato irl since it wouldnt be able to manhandle it unless the cera got a bad bite. Then the cera is cooked

[coral forge]

ok now idk about that considering lambeo was triple the size of a cerato

but any 3+ slot? yeah its game over

[limber plaza]

Making a game too realistic makes it worse

[winter marsh]

tigers hunt cows

[paper parcel]

Life sucks I agree

[limber plaza]

Hahahahaa

[winter marsh]

ahem The Isle ahem oops I farted, mb gang

[stark roost]

Crazy

[coral forge]

one is a big game hunter one is a small game hunter

stoats hunt rabbits are you saying spino should be hunting argent

[limber plaza]

Exactly why i play pot rn

[paper parcel]

Giga and argent

[winter marsh]

I did NOT say that gng (f u cooldowns)

[coral forge]

you kinda did

[limber plaza]

Cooldowns are goated

[winter marsh]

I was just tryna give an example cuz it was the first medium sized dino that didnt straight up powercrept lambeo

[coral forge]

a lambeo would beat most 2 slots but would lose to most 3 slots

[winter marsh]

Dasp would just break its spine, Allo maybe (but POT´s is oversized so idk really), Pycno would curb stomp it to death

[limber plaza]

Also does anybody know why they chose pycno instead of carno and ando instead of anky?????

[paper parcel]

Imagine getting eaten whole by a trex in game as a pssitacosaurus. Would be cool but annoying

[coral forge]

they prefer using lesser known dinos
thats why bars over edmont, eo over trike, hatz over quetz ect

[winter marsh]

that happens? Taco gets one shot by all 5 slots if body shot

[limber plaza]

That was my guess ig i was right

[coral forge]

id say the biggest PoT dino a lamb is beating would be a metri

[winter marsh]

Eurhino over Icthyosaurus mightve been the goated choice of the year

[fossil ingot]

POT Allo isn't really oversized

[paper parcel]

Nah like, bigger carns would just slurp up tacos like noodles

[winter marsh]

if the metri missed the ambush, yeah. Cuz iirc irl metri is way bulkier and sturdier than POT metri, which is kind of a weird dilo-allo fused up

[fossil ingot]

Its Proportions have changed Slightly
But its size itself is fine.

[winter marsh]

if the ingame allo is A. anax then yeah its fine

[sudden wind]

Ngl I would have preferred an unknown Parvipelvian or Thunnosaur even

[fossil ingot]

Ehh
Irl Metri is not the Bulkiest Guy tbf

[winter marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/rey-dau-monster-hunter-rey-dau-monster-hunter-wilds-monhunwilds-mhwilds-gif-17919085122880163840

[fossil ingot]

No, We quite Literally have Big Fragilis
AMNH 5767 and NMMNH both were Lumped into Fragilis and ANMH 5767 itself is already bigger than Anax

[winter marsh]

it towers over cera 😭 poor cera is the shortie of the theropods

[fossil ingot]

Big Allo is not restricted to Anax

[winter marsh]

since when did we have a 12 meter long allo

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, 1.6t vs 1t, tho iirc there was a way with a Paper to get Cera to like 1.2t or smth
Cera just has Short Legs LOL

[sudden wind]

Who knows outside experts about Stenopterygius (no one ever mention my amazing boy)

[limber plaza]

Since paleontologist decided so

[winter marsh]

I saw it in a book, its a cool Icthyosaurus with a lanky name, Eurhinosaurus still cooler cuz its big and has a cooler sword face

[fossil ingot]

AMNH 5767 has always been large, however you may know this Specimen more as "Epanterias Amplexus"
However Loewen 2009 iirc lumps it and the other Epanterias Into Fragilis

[winter marsh]

and I PRAY TO GOD we get a playable AI bundle, probably only thing ill spend money on so I can play as Gonio or Mixo

[paper parcel]

Being a sauropod irl would be peak

[winter marsh]

a big unstoppable lump of meat which has its seal fated to eating endlessly until you succumb to old age. Cool ig

[sudden wind]

It has a big bill but I doubt it would have been used like a sword. I also don't think it was necessarily a great swimmer. I just wish somebody would look at how does Eurhinosaurus' tail actually articulates or if it is any similar to Ichthyosaurs known with lunate tails.

[paper parcel]

Bad childhood too, and bad parents, so not much changes

[winter marsh]

swordfish use it like a sword, I dont see how convergent evolution wouldnt make it use like that too

[jagged trellis]

"unstoppable"
yeah lets ignore the god awful risks at younger ages and still mega theropod risks at adulthood
though insular ones might have it alright

[charred hearth]

arent majortity of sauropods under 20 tons

[paper parcel]

Just like me irl

[winter marsh]

the fun in being a sauropod is being born as a magyarosaurus, THEEEEEN you have a cool life

[charred hearth]

is magy valid

[winter marsh]

I think so, I think it even got a new species and a cousin sauropod dwarf

[sudden wind]

Thing is that Eurhino's bill isn't like a swordfish's

[winter marsh]

Dolphins dont have tails that look like fishes and still swim fine

also, if you have that big of an overbite then you better well become extinct right now cuz you aint catching anything with an useless pole sticking out of your skull

[charred hearth]

dont sperm whales have a overbite

[winter marsh]

sperm whales also have tectonic sonars and a huge ahh forehead to ram stuff

[charred hearth]

wait they dont even have teeth in their upper jaws

[winter marsh]

sperm whale´s overbite arent that big compared to something like an eurhino or swordfish

also I dont think they have but that doesnt exclude the fact that you are being chewed on by a hunk of fat the size of a space shuttle

[limber plaza]

How i love random animal facts

[winter marsh]

swordfish can straight up knockout small fish by bashing em with its snout, but can also impale them if very precise

[limber plaza]

Dolphins also like to get high on pufferfish which you already know im guessing

[winter marsh]

swords arent just for sideways movement, they can also be used to thrust

[paper parcel]

I love amphicoelias, it's the best and largest whip tailed sauropod of all time

[limber plaza]

Yep...

[winter marsh]

Caracals have the ability to jump over 3-4 meters in the air to catch birds

[limber plaza]

Whats yo fav animal

[winter marsh]

dont have one

[fossil ingot]

My Two Goats

[limber plaza]

Npc ahh

[winter marsh]

tyrannosaurus bataar and sailless spinosaurus

[fossil ingot]

[winter marsh]

what if the sail on spino´s back were instead a weird poop that got fossilized

[sudden wind]

As far as I know, Eurhinosaurus bill isn't dorsoventrally flattened as seen in swordfish and their analogues. Closest thing you get are Eurhinodelphinids which have a very elongated, spherical in cross section, bill that's suggested to be a sensitive organ.

[limber plaza]

Bit off topic but this is my goat

[fossil ingot]

Sigil Jumpscare

[limber plaza]

Dis my real goat tho

[paper parcel]

Guys platy is a real animal

[limber plaza]

Pilachu is also a real animal kinda

[winter marsh]

weird thing I notice all the time in paleontology is ´´this thing wouldnt be able to do the thing everyone has speculated cuz it would get hurt in the process´´ or ´´its bla bla bla would break on impact because they were fragile´´ like, dont we have irl examples of the things of the past? Stupid article once said that Pachys wouldnt be able to head-to-head bang bang because theyd get hurt. Brotha, bulls and oxes get nosebleeds from ramming into each other. There is no way you can use your body parts without getting hurt, and even then, if you are getting hurt, the thing you are hitting is getting even more hurt bruh

[limber plaza]

Yep look at bucks too

[winter marsh]

try punching someones face. Its clearly not made for that, its a freaking hand made for grasping, youll get hurt. But then look at the person you punched. Theyll probably be dazed or have a broken nose depending on the punch

timmy tough knuckles is a person and will hurt you, even if he isnt really made for that

[limber plaza]

Real

[paper parcel]

Diplodocus like sauropods have tail injuries from slapping things so hard

[limber plaza]

Here's the sauropod lover again

[winter marsh]

whippa

[paper parcel]

Idk, how can you not like them, they are big and ravishing.

[limber plaza]

You know what else is big and ravishing?

[charred hearth]

your heart?

[limber plaza]

No silly a blue whale what else did you think?

[charred hearth]

obviously your heart if there was a question mark at the end

[paper parcel]

Ngl sauropods do be kind of thick

[limber plaza]

Im in the thick of it everybody knows