paleontology

[frigid delta]

what r the chances for a Triceratops vs Edmontosaurus possibility?

[ashen wedge]

Never Zero

[balmy oyster]

Pretty low, but I’m convinced it would be because a triceratops gets annoyed at an edmont or something

[stiff osprey]

I think that would be a very one sided fight

Even more than rex vs edmont actually

[brave nova]

Edmont really needs to stop bullying every other animal in hells creek geez

[frigid delta]

the first scenario that comes in my mind is that an Edmont is trying to eat sm leafs but it unknowingly entering the Trike's territory so the territorial Trike is trying to either pushes it out from its territory or smth smth

[balmy oyster]

Elephant versus wildebeest/buffalo

[frigid delta]

nah more like Elephant vs Rhino but the Rhino succesfully rid off the Elephant from its territory

[winter marsh]

more like a rhino vs a rhino with its horns cut out to prevent hunting from poachers

[ancient crystal]

I wonder how many people will read this post in passing and think you mean that the fight would be in edmont's favor

[ashen wedge]

I would say, it’s never a zero percent change that it has happened and that both were victorious at times

[frigid delta]

what r the chances for a Stegosaurus vs Hesperosaurus possibilities?

[steady rock]

would it be the edmonto vs pachyrhino fight in march of dinosaurs?

[ancient crystal]

Ah yes, the bull edmontosaurus in musth would easily best the...

checks notes

The living elephant sized phalanx

[ancient crystal]

The black and white rhinos that are identical in color

[outer tusk]

Wait can black rhinoceros be actually black in color

[ashen wedge]

I’ve seen rhinos on safari once (not saying the search engine but actual safari in Africa)

[steady rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uO5QDM8D2Q

[fossil ingot]

Ngl I wonder how Trike and Toro would interact with eachother

[frigid delta]

i think it more like when the Trike tries to ran the Edmont but Edmont quickly dodges it before running away from it

[ashen wedge]

Pachy is different than a trike, mainly due to the horns

[fossil ingot]

Bro got 1 shot😭

[winter marsh]

ah yes, leave the protection of your herd to beef with some knuckleheads for some weeds

[steady rock]

the weed is that serious

[stiff osprey]

march of the dinosaurs made southern alaska a barren wasteland for some reason

but my favorite part is the flying albertosaurus

[steady rock]

what do you mean flying albertosaurus?

[ancient crystal]

Do tell us more

[frigid delta]

all i remember was the burning Albert so fym flying one?

[winter marsh]

btw the herd couldve steamrolled those grasses if they really wanted it. They just ignored it and kept moving on. That guy thought he was the main character

[stiff osprey]

albertosaurus is introduced to us in the doc by leaping over a mountain to attack an edmontosaurus

[steady rock]

maybe edmontosaursu just taste that good

[ashen wedge]

The Alberto leaped so far it became 1930s Superman jump

[winter marsh]

pole jumping berta

[stiff osprey]

look at him go

[steady rock]

wwd movie or marching with dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

wwd is a good movie if you watch it on mute

[frigid delta]

assuming Albert is abt 1.7-3t can they even do this irl?

[stiff osprey]

it could.

Once

[frigid delta]

yeah maybe fractured bones would leave em PTSD

[steady rock]

would you guys say march of the dinosaurs is on the same level as when dinosaurs roamed america?

[stiff osprey]

WDRA is my goat do not disrespect it

[steady rock]

whats wrong with march of the dinosaurs

[opaque kayak]

wwd's still my favorite dino documentary ever, and second only to sea monsters. Shame they butchered it

[stiff osprey]

nothing but the cgi environments were kinda not at all convincing

the only flaw of WDRA is that they had carnivores roaring at everything disease

[steady rock]

Wasnt the enviroment also completely inaccurate?

[stiff osprey]

also in the portuguese dub the WDRA narrator calls quetzalcoatlus "quits coda blues" which i think massively enhanced my experience

[frigid delta]

a what?

[stiff osprey]

the giant pterosaur, quitscodablus

[frigid delta]

why?

[stiff osprey]

idk. skill issue

[wind prairie]

best 2000s paleodoc that isn't affiliated with impossible pictures is dinosaur planet

[ancient crystal]

Speaking of, how do y'all pronounce quetz?

Kwetz or ketz

[steady rock]

planet dinosaur son or dinosaur planet daughter

[wind prairie]

dinosaur planet daughter

[steady rock]

i always got the two mixed up

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-cruel-sea-liopleurodon-gif-11176843762502798103

[frigid delta]

i am either ket-sahl-kow-at-luhs or ket-suhl-kow-at-luhs

[wind prairie]

I normally say kwetz subconsciously but if I think about it I do say ketz

[steady rock]

does anyone remember that planet dinosaur scene where a baby sauropod was getting jumped by both a sarco and a carch

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-rex-tug-of-war-dinosaurs-carnivores-gif-17288235

[steady rock]

like save that poor thing

[wind prairie]

It's the pinnacle of american nature documentaries (been rewatching with the new skeleton crew videos, and I really like the way an aucasaurus hunt is portrayed in alpha's egg). humorous and charming, but does not humanize the animals

[wind prairie]

also DP did the funny disinterested female abelisaur almost 20 years before preplanet

[frigid delta]

what kind of abelisaur?
Abelisaurus themselves?

[ashen wedge]

This is marching with dinosaurs

[wind prairie]

aucasaurus
this tells me you haven't watched it, you should go do that it's all on youtube

[light oxide]

Didn't Dinosaur Planet also have Carcharodontosaurus in the time period it definitely wasn't a part of?

[stiff osprey]

it somehow interpreted Aerosteon as a carcharodontosaur

[wind prairie]

it's actually based on material of the megaraptoran aerosteon. At the time they didn't know what it was
I think it was before megaraptora was even erected as a clade??

it was a good enough excuse to add a giganotosaurus like animal at the time lol

[light oxide]

I know that it was Aerosteon in actuality. I was just saying how they just said that it was Carcharodontosaurus in that episode.

[stiff osprey]

it was after megaraptora, but before we had skull remains, so when megaraptorans were depicted with carch heads

[wind prairie]

ohh ok

[fossil ingot]

Or the Doc version
Gorgon's Design is Peak

[wind prairie]

also the show had the most dummy thicc saltasaurus I've ever seen next to C.M. Koseman's

[stiff osprey]

i like how they decided that saltasaurus's maximum speed was 2 mph and yet it somehow survived alongside fake-giganotosaurus

[steady rock]

i mean, do small sauropods need to be fast to survive large carnis? just look at smitanosaursu

[tough parcel]

This is because the fake-giganotosaurus were notably slower

Please study more before speaking!

[wind prairie]

the narrator even says "today a saltasaurus is GOING to die" he's that confident lmao

[steady rock]

just like the real gigantosaursu, thus they were actually scavengers as they were unable to catch any sauropods

[thorn grove]

Sauropods were actually the fastest dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

they don't need to be faster than the predator, but like, trying to run away helps

[fossil ingot]

Thats why the Famous Nigersaurus survived

[sterile trail]

Yes, sauropods could sprint full speed to evade predators :]

/j

[warped peak]

Brachiosaurus:

[steady rock]

brachio dosent need speed, it has the elements

[warped peak]

No Brachio is the fastest Sauropod IIRC? Or is that Atlasaurus

[opaque kayak]

Do you happen to have this chart for theropods? I used to have it but lost it

[severe yew]

okay, thanks bro

i read somewhere, a while ago, that although the tooth and vertebrae are real, the set up is fake (someone attached the tooth in place 😅 )

[warped peak]

I dug this ul from an old chat history

[severe yew]

yea, true dino combat are on fire 🔥

[warped peak]

Any particular time period or group?

As Random said, Mauricio Anton 100%, I just happen to know a few of his books

[severe yew]

yes, i really like this one 🔥

i didn't know they exposed more of their fossils (last time i saw this the fossils were much more covered)

[severe yew]

i looked him up and his books look nice 🔥

what i am trying to do, bro, is get a few amazing books of the animals that lived on Earth (with lots of visuals) than would cover the time after the dinosaurs extinction

.
if you happen to remember any other books or authors, please let me know 🙏

can you show a pic, bro ?

[warped peak]

Oooh thats a rough time frame

[lavish frigate]

It was an awesome bro joke lol

[wind prairie]

don't fall for his bait

[severe yew]

did you hear that some rhinoceros' horns in Africa were injected with radioactive isotopes to fight poachers ? 😅

the idea is that the horns, being mildly radioactive, would set off the alarms on certain machines at airports, ship ports, and border crossings

• supposedly, the radioactive material would not affect the animals, lol

[severe yew]

maybe like any other horned animals of similar size interact when they happen to encounter each other, such as bulls, buffalos, water buffalos, yaks, even rhinos, etc...

they usually just ignore each other, but occassionally they do fight, but the fights are brief, just enough to show who the boss is 😂

i have rarely seen fights to the death among these animals (but they do happen)

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-uh-uh-uhm-thinking-oh-shit-gif-13588868

[keen yew]

If im not mistaken, there's probably fossils under sea floor right. I have yet to hear about anyone fossil hunting in the ocean (for obvious reasons). So there's possibly millions of prehistoric species that we'll never discover and learn about huh.

[spring crown]

Crazy idea that makes an amount of sense. I think it would be possible that mosasaurus might not have had lips. Here me out, because it was in water so often, it wouldn't need lips to keep it's teeth moist. Just a thought.

[balmy oyster]

With this logic, neither would cetaceans. Or sharks.

Lips are helpful for more than just water retention.

[spring crown]

It was just a quick thought idk

[balmy oyster]

Also mosasaurs most definitely would’ve been lipped compared to pliosaurs and plesiosaurs due to the teeth being uniform and not jutting out to the side.

[spring crown]

Fair enough

Like I said, it was just an idea

[spring crown]

Cetaceans don't even got teeth bro

Hold on, I take that back, some do

[severe yew]

that is absolutely correct, bro

millions of animals that were simply lost in time and we will never hear about 😢

[severe yew]

to kiss... 💋

.
hey, for any of you megafauna lovers who like to read

this one book is on fire 🔥

the author is a top notch paleontologist

[balmy oyster]

Hopefully one day we get the technology and resources to be able to do this

Assuming we even can and everything down in the ocean hasn’t been eaten by worms and whatnot

[severe yew]

his other awesome book

[severe yew]

OMG, i found a more recent (and expensive 😭) version of these books (2022, by Folio Society), with beautiful illustrations 🔥

i want them now ! 🥹

[hardy sentinel]

Guys you can get rid of the AI overview on google by adding "-ai" at the end, we can finally do decent research!

SPREAD THE WORD

[warped peak]

The AI overview is often helpful because it cites where it gets the weird tidbits from, allowing you to find extremely specific information faster than just blindly scrolling through links

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but I looked up if Giga, Spino, and Rex were the biggest theropods on three separate searches and apparently they are all the biggest, also the overview uses random unchecked reddit posts as sources more often than not

Also some of us just don't like Clankers

[warped peak]

Better example is something like "Amphicyonid foot anatomy"

[hardy sentinel]

funnily enough I didn't get an ai overview for that

[severe yew]

always remember this, bro

[hardy sentinel]

Humans canceled out evolution (at least when it comes to enviornments) when we decided what our enviornments needed to be to suit our needs, this does not apply to us

bro said "❌" as if they don't use air conditioning or heaters

[unborn bane]

Please keep all discussions in this channel on-topic, refer to the pinned rules

[severe yew]

not even humans can all of a sudden delete millions of years of evolution

it is embedded into out DNA

[hardy sentinel]

not what i'm saying, when it comes to environmental factors that doesn't apply to humans anymore when it comes to evolution

Now if you wanna continue this debate, send me a dm

[plain spade]

Just had a looky at the Noahsaurs, and man they are scuffed.

So we got Berthasaura and Limusaurus, which are completely beaked, and herbivorous theropods. Then we has Masiakasaurus, which appears to be a fish eater, with immensely scuffed dentition.

And Lastly, the namesake, Noahsaurus, which according to most reconstructions I can find, has a killing claw on its hand, almost like a Megaraptorid, even though these things descended from Ceratosaurus like animals

[balmy oyster]

Ceratosauria is immensely scuffed

[plain spade]

Yeah I can tell XD

[undone rapids]

They're Peak

[plain spade]

Cause Abelisaurs are part of Ceratosauria too right?

[undone rapids]

Yup, though there's older dinos in Ceratosauria that are closer to abelis than Cerato itself. Mainly EoAbelisaurus

[plain spade]

Yeah like Masiakasaurus looks epic, and Ceratosaurus itself is an icon

[undone rapids]

There's also the greatest Theropod in the Universe

[plain spade]

Got it

[balmy oyster]

Right before ceratosaurus is an awkward two clade thing of saltrio and berbero, and right before those two are all the basalmost theropods like dilo and coelo

[plain spade]

Yeah Carno is epic. I am a bit surprised we still only have one specimen to be honest

[undone rapids]

Most good Abelis have just one specimen, like Ekrixinatosaurus which had a head as wide as Rex(Proportionally).

[plain spade]

Dang

[undone rapids]

Majung is teh exception, with alot of good specimens and more coming. Even Juvenile skulls

[plain spade]

Sausage Abelisaur

[balmy oyster]

It’s got really good postcrania as well, I hope it gets an osteology in the future

[undone rapids]

Yup, I Hope the abelis living with it get described as well

[balmy oyster]

There’s a smaller species alongside it right

[undone rapids]

Yup, a decently complete ~5 meter guy with two individuals, 2nd one being just skull material. Its pretty basal which is important since it can help us get an idea of other basal abelis like Xenotarso or Rugops

[plain spade]

How complete is Pycno's material?

[undone rapids]

Not very, The most complete abelis are Majung, Aucasaurus, Carno, Skorpiovenator, Ekrix, Koleken, Spectrovenator and Eoabelisaurus.

[plain spade]

yeah not great eh?

[hardy sentinel]

Decent for an Abelisaurid. Good for guaging size

[sly viper]

My favourite dinosaur is the one that is cool

[winter marsh]

You forgot Vespersaurus, which walked on a single toe even tho it had 3

[ashen wedge]

Don’t we not have the leg bones of Carno?

[undone rapids]

We have the femur and its Very long(probably, There's some misunderstanding since the femur was damaged from the middle which some papers understood as it being reconstructed from rock impressions, which would make its total length a mystery. But the original paper says it was reconstrcuted after its natural "mold" and other people have mentioned that the femur's core is preserved and connected down the middle so in that case it really does end up being a 103 cm femur(longer than most Daspletosaurus femurs lol))

[analog timber]

what is bigger majung or carno?

[ashen wedge]

Probably carno….. although it’s been a while since I checked on either’s weight

[sick gull]

looking it up seems the average for majung is smaller than the smaller estimate for carno

[undone rapids]

Majung has many individuals and one skull roof fragment suggests an animal around 8 meter which would be similar in length to Carno, though it'd still be lighter in weight cuz carno tall and fatter tail . the rest are smaller majung individuals

[tiny steppe]

Did you know this?: The Tyrannosaurus Rex are the biggest theropod from story, bigger than Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus And Giganotosaurus carolinii

[frigid delta]

i'm not sure what do you mean by 'story' but if its in mass then it's a yes

[stiff osprey]

likely he meant biggest in history

[tough parcel]

Largest theropod of history vs largest theropod of today

[stiff osprey]

The reason ostriches bury their head in the ground is so they can speak to the fossils of nonavian theropods

[light oxide]

Ostrich: Notices lions off in the distance.

Ostrich: Buries head in the ground.

Ostrich: "Great ancestors, I speak to thee - what shall I do with these predators?"

The Fossils: "Just flee, bro - don't be a noob and try to fight them, mate."

[jagged trellis]

nah 1v4, you see that minute chance to 1 tap will happen 4 times in a row, gotta outrange them ong

[ashen wedge]

So that’s what they do

[wind prairie]

what a beautifully ridiculous animal
I love abelisaurs

[undone rapids]

They're the Greatest (No, Ekrix's skull isn't as long as Rex's, I just made it the same length to show how cool it is)

[keen yew]

The bulldog in question:

[steady rock]

irl, who would've been faster

struthiomimus
alioramus
camptosaurus

[hallow spear]

the same order you have it in right now from fastest to slower

[steady rock]

oh, would deinon or laten have been faster then campto?

[native kindle]

unlikely

[white matrix]

I dont think campto was that fast irl? they look really fat from the skeletals ive seen

[steady rock]

i mean, a ornithapods whole defense was kinda just running for your life

[warped peak]

Laten I'd say probably?

[steady rock]

would the 3 slowest be
stego
ano
amarga?

[white matrix]

I guess but numbers are also a thing

[outer tusk]

what does numbers have to do here,

[stiff osprey]

Laten is definitely faster than Camptosaurus

Deinon idk but probably

[steady rock]

top 5 fastest creatures in PoT

1 - struthi
2 - alioramus
3 - i dont know , pachy?
4 - laten
5 - concavenator

[jagged trellis]

me

[sonic matrix]

Look at horses (or hippos and rhino's) there quite fat but jeezus🙏

[balmy oyster]

What about that clip of the plesiosaur achieving flight

[steady rock]

BoB or PoT

[sonic matrix]

Sadly that was a paid actor

[warped peak]

I wouldn't put Alio that high. IIRC its actually fairly slow for a Tyrannosaur

[steady rock]

oh..

[warped peak]

I'd say Ano, Sarco, Stego myself

[open compass]

Technically Thal is the fastest one

[drifting condor]

Any OPH 2318 weight estimates yet?

[warped peak]

If you're gonna quote random specimens, at least state the animaln

[balmy oyster]

Maybe he’s talking about the spino toe bone?

Yeah it is

@chilli.dog. Around msnm & nhmuk sized

[warped peak]

My favorite is F:AM 54209

[balmy oyster]

@drifting condor

[drifting condor]

Anyone else think spino is not capable of beating a charchardontosaurus?

[outer tusk]

yeah ig

[balmy oyster]

Larger specimens would’ve been able to threaten or fend off carcha’s

Plus the neotype specimen we have isn’t fully grown either and considering we now have 3 real big specimens, it’s safer to say spino would’ve been able to reach considerable sizes

[sudden wind]

There is also the possibility that Carcharodontosaurus was an occasional animal within Spinosaurus habitat so it didn't have to deal with it 24/7

[balmy oyster]

They definitely didn’t intrude on each other’s space too often

[winter marsh]

fastest would be either hatz or thal. Probably hatz since its the largest

[steady rock]

well, i meant ground movement, if it was it all elements, it would probably be

hatz
thal
eurinho
struthi
pachy?

[hardy sentinel]

If it was ground movement (assuming we're going irl) it would be

Struthiomimus

Pachy

Deinonychus (could be switched with Latenivenatrix)

Latenivenatrix (could be switched with Deinonychus)

Hatzegopteryx

[frigid delta]

is Paranthodon valid?

[hallow spear]

Stegosaur diversity map

[hallow spear]

Yes

[steady rock]

south america and australia?

[hard eagle]

Random question but accurate wise what would be a good color to paint this it’s supposed to be a spinosaurus aegyptiacus wall mount but I don’t know what color to paint it inputs would be greatly appreciated

[stiff osprey]

canadon calcareo or whatever is argentinian and has stegosaurs

[hallow spear]

Cañadón Calcáreo, La Amarga, Isaberrysaura are Argentinian and a Chilean trackway for South America@steady rock
Australia is a bunc hof footprints, some of which i am confident are stegosaurs

[light osprey]

The Alaskan stegosaur

[hallow spear]

To be fair it’s classed as USA I can’t actually remove that, they also classed Tibet as China lmao. It’s not perfect. By any means

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/stegosaurus-gif-11212217

[light osprey]

Evidence we should smite stego

[winter marsh]

Isaberrysaura is weird

[hallow spear]

It isn’t at all, the postcrania is undescribed and the people who described it originally described it as a Neoornithischian, but later disregarded that and said it’s stegosaurian (which it is)

[winter marsh]

it is once you consider the ´´other´´ reconstruction

[hallow spear]

There is no “other” reconstruction, the bipedal one is based on the origin al description which like I mentioned said it wasn’t a stegosaur, they later changed their diagnosis. Since postcrania is undescribed they did not include it in the recon eitber

[winter marsh]

I swear I have a very cool book that has like all of the current valid dinosaurs and I was pondering why the heck was there a hadrosaur amongst some stegosaurs

[hallow spear]

That is answered by the simple fact it’s reconstructed wrong

[winter marsh]

I still wanna wish it is a funny bipedal stegosaurus even tho its not :c. Although I wonder if there were any like there are early thyreophorans like Scelidosaurus

[hallow spear]

There can’t be as otherwise it likely wouldn’t represent a stegosaur and instead a early thyreophoran

[winter marsh]

you never know.... muheheheheheheh

[opaque kayak]

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus

[stark roost]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8kQARes/ could brachytrachelopan be this fat?

[compact leaf]

what’s in the uk?

[hallow spear]

A bunch of stuff, the named ones are Dacentrurus and Craterosaurus/Regnosaurus

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1daH6tAugxhuvwSf4JBWcpGbLGGfAW_ugzN0O68kiqDs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[compact leaf]

idk how I forgot dace existed

[stiff osprey]

A second stego has hit paleo chat

[frigid delta]

THERE'S TWO OF EM NOW???

[white pasture]

Brethren

[hallow spear]

DMNH composite(?) mount primarily 1843, and DNM 2438 as the baby

[white pasture]

Yes those be them

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-impossible-out-of-hand-gif-16945967

[white matrix]

horses have a way different build and hippos and rhinos aren't fast in my opinion and they speed they do have they can't maintain for long

[winter marsh]

what is dis

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mereka-ada-dua-gif-26176113

[hallow spear]

They are fast, objectively. They also both gallop/have air time

[winter marsh]

hippos may be fat but dont underestimate them. Nor rhinos. They can and will run anything down if the thing that is their choice of being hit by 3 tons of hatred isnt quick enough

[last adder]

Hippos are actually extremely muscular, and iirc dont have that much fat for their body size.

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah, I think they mean fat as in like big and bulky tho

[last adder]

Just because something is heavy set and large doesn't necessarily mean it'll be slow.

[elfin pulsar]

I think that’s exactly what theo is saying

[last adder]

Yeah, I was just stating that for the sake of doing so. There's a lot more that goes into speed than just size and bulk.

[elfin pulsar]

Oh for sure

[warm saddle]

Isn't hippo's "fat" just their muscle like in rex?

[tough parcel]

Neither

It's not fat or muscle, they're just barrels

[warm saddle]

A wat now?

[ancient crystal]

They're a secret third thing

[last adder]

I think they're referring to their body shapes and skeletal proportions but I could be wrong.

[ancient crystal]

Ok, I thought I was in the PK discord and saw the PTB channels were lit up. I got so excited and now I feel nothing but despair

[warm saddle]

Huh

[winter marsh]

big plump of wrath

[tough parcel]

Yea exactly

[mellow prism]

now I see who you are

[balmy oyster]

“Titanovenator” is cool because we’ll finally be able to scale chenanisaurus

[sullen cairn]

cant you scale chenanisaurus with several preexisting taxa anyways

[balmy oyster]

I’m willing to bet titano & it are more closely related than with other stuff cause of certain factors

[steady rock]

would struthimimus be able to escape a cheetah ? ( ie im asking a speed comparison )

[ember mulch]

It could probably kill a cheetah

[white matrix]

idk bro they're pretty slow to me

[warped peak]

Depends on the size

A 72kg cat vs a 150kg bird is not in the birds favor

[light osprey]

This is because they are both from Africa and biogeography is a perfectly valid character

[balmy oyster]

True…

[west anchor]

Distortus Rex character add please ❤️

[balmy oyster]

Check in #modding there might be someone who decided to mod it

[steady rock]

the humble copyright law:

[balmy oyster]

Do what Roblox dinosaur games do and call it “terrible horror monster”

[warm saddle]

Make it almost the same model just change it to p-rex

[wind prairie]

tbh a struthiomimus though??? idk

it'd definitely be a tall order compared to even something like an ostrich

[balmy oyster]

One good leap at the neck/back area and it’s set

[wind prairie]

nah
coming from any other large cat, sure (a leopard would mess up a struthi I feel), but I just don't see a cheetah pulling it off, It's possible I guess

[light oxide]

Seeing as cheetahs hunt ostriches, I can see the cheetah having some chance against a Struthiomimus. Especially since it's moreso around emu size dimension-wise (looking at the size chart there) than really ostrich. And Struthios and ostriches are around the same mass too (with Struthio being a little bigger in mass than an ostrich).

So I can see a cheetah wanting to hunt the strange-looking, smaller ostrich.

[stark roost]

Bump

[stark roost]

Like what?

[tall vale]

I find it interesting that Spino still holds the 3rd place spot for being the largest theropod, haven’t been keeping up Spinosaurus weight estimates recently but I thought it weighed the same as the other large predator it lived with (Carcharodontosaurus) if not weigh a little less

[undone rapids]

wdym? Abelisaurs are the best everyone knows that

[undone rapids]

Carch is just a skull, so its weight can vary depending on what relative you fill the gaps with, its probably similar in size to the big spinos and Mapus, while being a bit smaller than Giga... probably

[sick gull]

iirc the most complete spino was blown up in ww2 and we havent found anymore as complete?

[hardy sentinel]

We've found more complete ones iirc

The neotype is currently the most complete

[mental elbow]

Wowza

[undone rapids]

We've found even more material of the Neotype(Morrocan Spino) since this image, The WW2 spino was mostly just sail and was from Egypt, so there's probably differences between the two that we don't know of yet

[hardy sentinel]

Why is Spinosaurus so beautiful

[mental elbow]

Spiny

[hardy sentinel]

Spin

[mental elbow]

Spi

[hardy sentinel]

Sp

[mental elbow]

Aegyptiacus

[hardy sentinel]

Aegyptiacu

[mental elbow]

Aegyptiac

[hardy sentinel]

Aegyptia

[mental elbow]

Aegypti

[hardy sentinel]

Aegypt

[sick gull]

i see i see

[sharp dragon]

Deinocheirus Mirificus.

[mental bobcat]

Is it you

[ember mulch]

Considering an ostrich can kill a lion I'm not sure the cheetah is winning that one

[sick gull]

cheetahs are kinda lightweights. if something stands its ground they probably wouldn't try

[undone rapids]

Ostriches run from cheetahs and get hunted(smaller ones atleast), so they'd probably try since they look close enough

Actually the tail might make it easier to hunt, since that's where leg pulling muscles are and that'd be a good target

[sick gull]

cheetahs kill by tripping and then latching onto the windpipe to choke it out dont they?

i don't think theyre equipped for slicing muscle groups like that. lions definitely would be

[undone rapids]

They bite the back of ostriches then bring it down, though iirc they ussually hunt them in groups

[sick gull]

gotta wonder how dino tail meat would be

[undone rapids]

Wonder if farms would back the chickenosaurus project if they realized they'd get more meat per chicken(cuz tail) and charge higher to sell them...

[sick gull]

and yeah looked it up, cheetahs do hunt ostrich but probably only if they really need food probably

[steady rock]

and how often are ostriches killing lions?

[sick gull]

ostriches can do some damage. they practically have carving knives on their big strong legs

[undone rapids]

Alot of animals can do damage, but how likely is it that'll happen in an encounter depends. A Wolverine killled a bear once, probably doesn't happen very often

[sick gull]

and being that tall they're not easy to sneak up on

[frigid delta]

yeah they could but running away is also a form of self defense too tho
they'd likely flight than fight

[steady rock]

also my original questionw was just whos faster , a cheetah or struthiomimus?

[undone rapids]

I remember the 3 cheetahs hunting ostrich vid where the male just runs faster than the female and survives cuz he's not the slower one

[undone rapids]

Probably cheetahs, they're pretty absurd. though maybe struth would do better at longer distances

[sick gull]

no possible way to know for sure who's faster

[frigid delta]

Cheetah is 64 km/h in average but could topping to 120 km/h if necessary
Struthio iirc topping at 80km/h at max so... i'd go for Cheetah

[steady rock]

so while cheetahs may go faster a struthi could probably hold its speed for longer?

[sick gull]

ostriches can top 65kph and can go a good distance above 45

i'd hazard a guess that a struthi is comparable to an ostrich, both dinosaurs and similar body plans

[patent mist]

Using larramendi struthi is about 58kmnh. struthi is a bit smaller than an ostritch

You might be able to get a faster result using Holtz's speed calculator, but struthi is definitely not the fastest ornithomimid

[open compass]

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-me-meme-me-tweaking-gif-4806869717826284567

[lost moon]

bro… :(

[stark roost]

Survival of the fittest is such a true statement. How does a bear survive to adulthood and get killed by a god forsaken wolverine 😭

[warped peak]

Has this man ever looked at an ostrich foot

[tough parcel]

I mean the point stands that the claws will absolutely demolish any point of contact

[last adder]

Even aside from that, blunt force can do much more damage than people give it credit for.

[steady rock]

which location is sarcosuchus found in?

1 - argentina

2 - south africa

3 - indonesia

4 - madagascar

[last adder]

Closest is 2 but didn't it live in what is now north Africa? I could be wrong.

[steady rock]

the answer was argentina

[last adder]

Oh I thought you said SARCO, my bad.

[steady rock]

i did say sarco..

[last adder]

Ohh..? Bruh how am I tweaking so badly.

[steady rock]

you never watched chased by dinosaurs?

[last adder]

I don't think I have actually.

[calm agate]

None of these. Sarcosuchus is found in the Elrhaz Formation in Niger (S.imperator) and the Ilhas Formation in Brazil (S.hartti)

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/um-stan-twitter-interesting-gif-2556128588276332485

[last adder]

Oh, so I was right, for at least one of the areas.

[steady rock]

niger is in west africa 😒

[rapid frost]

https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12862-025-02397-5?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=organic&utm_campaign=twitter_2021_bmcseries

[radiant gulch]

theres a small chance this could still be alive

[tough parcel]

And is this being said with evidence or is it just "Unexplored area"

[halcyon cobalt]

it’s in the Mariana’s trench

[steady rock]

why was therinosaurid changed from sengosauridae?? give my man segnosaurus some love back

[plucky basin]

no.

(also the reason is probably because therizinosaurus was discovered first so i guess they thought it was more appropriate, idfk i aint no scientist 🤷‍♂️)

[floral cradle]

what is the biggest pterosaur?

[stiff osprey]

quetzalcoatlus and hatzegopteryx are about the same size, some say cryodrakon is larger but that's based on a dubious referral of fragmentary material

[plucky basin]

nemicolopterus, trust

[floral cradle]

source: trust me bro

[plucky basin]

but fr, look at him, hes doing his best

[floral cradle]

very true

[ashen wedge]

A platypus that gone airborne?! Someone call Doofenshmirtz

[plucky basin]

already called him, dw

[ashen wedge]

Phew

[frigid delta]

how accurate is bill nguyen's Spino?

[viscid jackal]

Fingers are off, they're all equal, but other than that, and a small but on the head and neck, perfect.

[native kindle]

if the hands and claws were a bit better it'd be 10/10 but its nice looking

also tail dragging

[hardy sentinel]

We don't know Spino's hand shape/finger sizes. I don't think we have any Spinosaurines with hands, only Baryonchines

[hardy sentinel]

not exactly an innacurate thing now, tail dragging in Spino isn't an innacurate idea due to it's center of mass

[viscid jackal]

I think its accurate though.

[balmy oyster]

(I also heard of some possible spinosaur tracks that show potential tail dragging as well)

[native kindle]

ah nevermjnd on that then

[hardy sentinel]

Spino had one fat tail, it seems silly to me that it's tail wouldn't drag even a little

[ashen wedge]

Didn’t we move on from the Kangaroo Tripod theory?

[hardy sentinel]

for most dinosaurs, yeah, but when it comes to Spinosaurus it's different because of the tail and center of mass

[tough parcel]

Its CoG is approximately normal for a theropod but due to how long its tail is, the tip touching the ground wouldn't be out of the question (which is what the trackway shows as it's a very thin line trailing behind the prints)

And @hardy sentinel we do have finger bones from Spinosaurus that show its hands aren't particularly robust or short (assuming Ibrahim and Sereno didn't fill in their skeletal and sneeze without noticing they had colored a phalange)

[balmy oyster]

Not kangaroo just tail dragging

[hardy sentinel]

Which specimen? Is it the neotype that has the finger bones?

[ashen wedge]

Wouldn’t the tail still be held up?

[tough parcel]

They would not be resting on their tail in any capacity, it'd just be drooping down behind them a little and with how short Spino's (and potentially other spinosaurs) legs are, it just so happened to touch the ground

@hardy sentinel It's labeled as holotype, neotype, and referred

[hardy sentinel]

at the base, probably, but when it comes to the rest it was too heavy not the drag just a little

PK's shows it pretty good

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus had a heavy tail
also turns out pachycephalosaurs may have been tripods

[hardy sentinel]

Can you elaborate on that Pachy part?

[tough parcel]

Not what the abstract suggested for pachys...like at all

[ashen wedge]

The pachy part is a bit strange provide evidence

[wind prairie]

I don't mean literally all the time, but I think there is evidence that pachycephalosaurs could have fought like kangaroos??
something about how their vertebrae are shaped iirc

[hardy sentinel]

Where they would balance on their tails and kick?

[wind prairie]

yes.

[hardy sentinel]

are we talking Pachycephalosauria as a whole or just Pachycephalosaurus?

[wind prairie]

prob pachys as a whole, I'm not too sure. I think there's a paper still being worked on about it. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[ashen wedge]

Ain’t all Pachy’s dome headed for headbutts

[tough parcel]

Tmk it's an abstract for an unreleased paper so we're going off of "Yea the tails probably balanced them for kickboxing" and none of the in-depth reasoning

[hardy sentinel]

headbutting for food gathering yes, but for fighting each other no

We only find head injuries from other Pachys on Pachycephalosaurus itself, as the smaller ones couldn't handle the same kinda stuff

[tough parcel]

So for all we know, they have some gold in there but the conclusion they came to is only one interpretation of this gold

And maybe not even the most likely

[wind prairie]

iirc don't the vertebrae in their tails have shock absorbing folds like kangaroos

[balmy oyster]

We have prehistoric giraffe relatives that are effectively the same, and we have many cases of animals today headbutting even if it causes pretty fatal injuries

[wind prairie]

pachycephalosaurs gathering food like a cartoon waiter stacking dishes on their head:

[hardy sentinel]

didn't the smaller Pachycephalosaurs have relatively thinner domes?

[tough parcel]

I mean this is just blatantly made up because we have head injuries from Pachycephalosaurus, Stegoceras, Gravitholus, and Sphaerotholus
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3712952/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0036227

[balmy oyster]

Younger individuals not having fully formed skulls makes sense if you think about it for a minute

Or do you mean smaller species? Even then it also still makes some sense since smaller = less force and not needing as much protection, maybe?

[hardy sentinel]

These damn (attempted) science communicators, I was told in like 3 different videos from the same dude saying that Pachycephalosaurus was the only one

@balmy oyster the latter is what I meant

[balmy oyster]

I think I saw an insta reel that was trying to argue pterosaurs were lizards and not archosaurs

Though they could’ve been arguing for pterosaurs being closer to lizards than more derived archosaurs? Still kinda weird though

[winter marsh]

I hate science

[hardy sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605788102975291414/1371974035352715374/image0.gif

[balmy oyster]

I love science

It gave me the dinosaur ❤️

[winter marsh]

it ruined my dinosaurs

[balmy oyster]

Sorry that spinosaurus is a unique animal now with intricate displays and semi aquatic capabilities

[hardy sentinel]

Sorry that T.rex is a silent king who mews now

[tough parcel]

T. rex when the sonic camouflage

[ashen wedge]

Without science you wouldn’t have dinosaurs, but just giant lizards

[wind prairie]

Sorry he didn't look like that 💔

[winter marsh]

they are becoming giant lizards after they are debunking all the coolness factors

[hardy sentinel]

behold, spinosaurus

bro was SO chopped 💔

[winter marsh]

next thing we know Argentinosaurus was an immovable object that because of its weight couldnt move. It depended on fast growing trees and herbs to eat, grow and survive, and would have a lifestyle similar to an anemone

[hardy sentinel]

typa things early paleontologists would think

[bleak rain]

Hi

[winter marsh]

is that hous

[bleak rain]

No

[hardy sentinel]

home ❤️‍🩹

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[ashen wedge]

We just do the old yellower treatment

[viscid jackal]

Psittacosaurus had a V shaped cloaca, that's cool.

[winter marsh]

me when the tough headed badassaurus becomes a kangaroo that gathers berries inside its skull to then become a beetroot

[ashen wedge]

Demon

[balmy oyster]

It’s still a tough headed badassaurus but it can also be a kangaroo that gathers berries and when it dies it gathers said berries in skull and becomes a beetroot

[severe yew]

i like it, and also like the buldge under the neck 🔥

[winter marsh]

perfect organism

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/colors-spray-paint-gif-5700952

[ashen wedge]

How did you discover this? What were you doing to the fossils?

[viscid jackal]

Lmao, I just read it somewhere.

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-blackmailing-blackmail-meme-mr-tenna-gif-4962087074694144294

do you guys prefer mammoths or mastodons??

[native mirage]

Mastodons are underrated, plus they are cooler in my opinion

[wind prairie]

very good take but I couldn't pick a favorite

mastodons are definitely more 'exotic' though

[ashen wedge]

I’ll ask you this, what were you doing to the Psittacosaurus?

[ashen wedge]

I haven’t tried their meats yet, so I don’t know

[steady rock]

would any itchyosaur be as fast a marlin / sailfish?

[outer tusk]

Did I miss anything important

[wind prairie]

actually that's a very very good basis of judgment, probably the same one stone age humans had
that and how well you could turn their body parts into homes and weapons and other such things

[winter marsh]

Vegetable Pachycephalosaurus

[thorn grove]

in this chat?

[ashen wedge]

That’s why you are paid the big bucks

[ashen wedge]

I wonder, what would spinosaurus taste like?

[hardy sentinel]

crocodil

[steady rock]

https://x.com/JoannaKobierska/status/1952875066238132453 thoughts?

Joanna Kobierska (@JoannaKobierska)

I just learned about Dear Fauna, a STOP MOTION, FELT animation about pleistocene.
It releases in just a couple days. Let's show it some love!

X · Aug 5, 2025, 11:31 PM

[outer tusk]

I know this doesn't really count but if Lodrome was a real theropod what would it be the "closest" to?

[compact leaf]

that’s actually super cool

[steady rock]

is this year the year of plestiocene media?

[balmy oyster]

It’s also the year of the carcha

[thorn grove]

next will be year of carchasaurus vs spinus

[sterile trail]

Now, if we go by scientific name, I'd rather go with 'Earth Horn', rather than 'Breast Tooth'

Yes, that's the Mastodon's actual scientific name. Look it up

[wind prairie]

yeah I know but they used their breast teeth to browse, not graze, which is interesting

[wind prairie]

music by BEN GRIM!?!?

didn't know the thing decided to become a composer

[tough parcel]

Small suggestion is to use proper capitalization when discussing The Thing because I honestly thought you were insulting him

Until I remembered that’s the name of The Thing 💀

[wind prairie]

LMAOOO

[wind prairie]

"oh. He means that thing."
I'm just imagining reading this without proper inflection on the thing part so it just sounds like I'm calling someone a thing for no reason 🥀

[waxen raptor]

“New paleontologists are ruining dinosaurs” didn’t the old paleontologists portray dinosaurs as like. Sluggish, lazy, stupid flabby lizards that couldn’t support their own body weight on land…

[balmy oyster]

“The bear wins against the T. Rex because the T. Rex is a big, dumb, slow, stupid animal”

[steady rock]

shoutout to sue https://x.com/north0fnorth/status/1952893921048023464

north (@north0fnorth)

fun fact: sue, the largest and most complete t. rex ever found, is officially non-binary. the field museum exclusively uses they/them pronouns for them

X · Aug 6, 2025, 12:46 AM

[stark roost]

lol

[wind prairie]

I know this is a joke but it's baiting me sooo hard

[zealous ravine]

Based

[tough parcel]

But it’s (technically) correct in that there’s no known gender for Sue

People use “she” cause y’know…Sue, but could be a male as well

[stark roost]

Isn’t there a Rex named B-Rex/ Bob Rex but they figured out it’s actually a girl cause the bones had like something where it only happens when they have eggs in them?

[tough parcel]

Yes! Until it was found that medullary bone also forms in response to injury (as it’s a calcium reserve, it helps form eggshells as well as bone repair)

Unsure if this was known for a while before or discovered after but still remains that medullary bone isn’t a slam-dunk indicator we once thought

[sick gull]

makes me think of that one exhibit where two rexes are positioned in a possible mating position

[wind prairie]

I know that's the problem
you don't call Sue they/them because it's nonbinary. It's an animal lol. We call it that because we don't know what sex it was (though I do usually default to calling specimens by the pronouns suggested from their nicknames, except I've been training myself to call MOR 693 Big Alice)

[balmy oyster]

everyone just refers to "sue" as a "she" cause of the name, and I don't think anyone really questions it that much unless there's further studies

[sharp dragon]

I refer to Sue as "Homieboy G".

[frigid delta]

how large does Para (all species) could get?
is 3-4 tons still accurate? what was their max weight?

[viscid jackal]

I think they increased it because PT uses the larger estimates.

[frigid delta]

how heavy

[viscid jackal]

I mean the overall size, its very thin from side to side, but long from nose to tail, its still about 5.5 tons.

[halcyon cobalt]

Who is they

[viscid jackal]

Promordial Tyrants, the modding team,

[balmy oyster]

3 - 4 for walkeri
6 for tubicens
Cyrtocristatus & kaiparwots para sizes I’m not too sure of (but they do get considerably large.)

[outer tusk]

3-6 for parasaurolophus "composite"

[native kindle]

PT's was based on fadeno's cyrtocristatus iirc, which is why its as big as it is

[outer tusk]

I wonder which speicmen

[native kindle]

green one, its definitely not the size of pot spino nor smaller than iggy

[tender needle]

how tall is spino estimated to be compared to a human?

[undone rapids]

Big spinos are very big

Neotype spino is less so

[ashen wedge]

My beloved Parasaurolophus

[fossil ingot]

The 2nd One
PT Para is 13m, and have it based on a 13.4 based on their Size Chart

[paper parcel]

Mokele mbemba is a sauropod cryptid found in the congo

[floral cradle]

true, there's also other cryptids like a giant spider and stegosaur cryptid

[outer tusk]

Another question

[stone tree]

First time I’ve posted I think but here’s an amonite fossil or however you spell it

I got it for my birthday recently :D

[quasi path]

What does this have to do with paleontology?

[thorn grove]

dino

[quasi path]

Aint that cryptozoology

[prisma hawk]

Finally a Hell Creek map 🙏

https://youtu.be/-KajLVMGO7E?si=EaXVH7QmPfXaMq1g

[ancient crystal]

Another incredible map for precisely 0% of community servers to use

[prisma hawk]

Samsara (formerly WWD) is going to use it

[ancient crystal]

Does anyone have any good paleoart based on cave paintings?

[wind prairie]

Julio Lacerda made a lot

[hardy sentinel]

https://phys.org/news/2025-07-necked-marine-reptile-species-germany.html

[dire stag]

were any ankylosauria (the armored ones with a club) found in Europe?

[orchid thunder]

I feel old just by looking at this picture! Was such a good movie

[hardy sentinel]

Primitive war Tyrannosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

One of the first described Ankylosaurids was actually European! Hylaeosaurus

[plucky basin]

Vastatosaurus rex x JW rex 🥀

[hardy sentinel]

It's got oral tissue tho, so it's a win for me

[compact leaf]

they could have just used the comic version and been objectively better

[timid delta]

Wasn't he very fluffy?

[compact leaf]

in the books they have a cape of fluff yeah, it was made in the era of saurians floof rex

[outer tusk]

it's just boring looking here

[hardy sentinel]

concept art, but he's fluffier in the traiter. unless ur talking abt the books then I dunno

[timid delta]

I was talking about PW rex in general

[ancient crystal]

Ngl I will always love this style of tyrannosaurus even if it isn't accurate

[quasi path]

This feels Like a Mix of Vastato and Jp rex,
Im not too sure i like it

[balmy oyster]

It looks like a deformed fetus

JP Rex design will stay golden though

[wind prairie]

that is not an ankylosaurid
hylaeo is a nodosaur

[winter marsh]

ankylosaurians for you mr party pooper

[native kindle]

they did specifically ask for any with a club, which i don't think we have any from europe

[last adder]

Awesome! The fossil looks so amazing!

[winter marsh]

oh mb I am stupid

I read the first part, not the second tho, thats a mb on me

[hardy sentinel]

ngl I feel like the naming of the two Ankylosauria groups could be better

Like it's Nodosaurids and Ankylosaurids, but Ankylosauria can be confused for Ankylosaurids

We should just abandon both names and call one group the no club and the other group the club

[wind prairie]

it's no different from other groups
stegosauria is not the same as stegosauridae, ceratopsia is not the same as ceratopsidae
also not all ankylosaurids had clubs

[native kindle]

yeah but they asked specifically for one that did

[ashen wedge]

Genius!

[thorn grove]

Tyrannosaurini Tyrannosaurinae Tyrannosauridae Tyrannosauroidea

[tiny steppe]

This is a new prosauropod, is the oldest prosauropod from China

[hardy sentinel]

Goofy fact: Depending on where we draw the line on what is a bird, birds have been around longer than Alligator Gar

[stark roost]

Yay a new prosauropod!

[last adder]

Aren't alligator gar specifically relatively recent?

[stark roost]

What’s tyranosaurini again? It’s Zhucheng, Tarbo, and Rex I think right?

[thorn grove]

yup

[last adder]

Sharks being older than the (Formation of) the rings of Saturn:

[winter marsh]

next one will be Longlong from mongolia fr

[balmy oyster]

Shortshort being the most derived prosauropod I’m calling it

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but everyone knows that, you'd think gar would be older than birds

[balmy oyster]

Birds are shockingly weird

[ashen wedge]

Nah, we are weird

[balmy oyster]

True

[frigid delta]

has there any validity status of the 'Triassic Kraken'?
my guess that it's fake but lemme know y'all opinions abt that cephalopod

[balmy oyster]

That one might not be real, but we did find a real giant one from the Yezo group in Japan

[frigid delta]

that blue-haired girl think she's invited

[balmy oyster]

Invited as FOOD

[ashen wedge]

Invited for what……

[hardy sentinel]

for the cool squid photo op

[sudden wind]

And then people complain about toe bone scaling in dinosaurs 😭

(though I gotta say that if you clearly identify a bone you can always cross scale it based on body plans)

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-clear-myself-gif-meme-gif-25725527

[sick gull]

that's Squid Girl, she probably put the event together

[frigid delta]

Animes really likes to girl-izing stuffs eh?

[sick gull]

easier than drawing like a transformers or a hybrid thing

it was a fun anime though. she tries to wage war on humans for polluting the ocean

[hardy sentinel]

slay, what an icon

[frigid delta]

yes

[sharp dragon]

Friendly Reminder: Encountering a Tyrannosaurus would've put the fear of god in all of us, and let us be thankful that they are all dead, because by god... WHY. IS. IT. SO. GODDAMN. HUGE.

[inland orbit]

I dunno about the hybrid bit. I've met enough furry artists...

[sick gull]

with anime in particular having a base human template is easier to animate

[tall prawn]

@cinder moat

[tiny steppe]

The true Stegosaurus Ungulatus and Stegosaurus Sulcatus

[ashen wedge]

First Stegosaurus is a goat

[hallow spear]

This isn’t true

[tiny steppe]

First look for Stegosaurus Ungulatus and Stegosaurus Sulcatus and then we'll talk 😐

[hallow spear]

What lmao?
Both restorations are just wrong

[outer tusk]

^

We all know thw JW Stegosaurus ungulatus is the most accurate

[ancient crystal]

His head is so big

[severe yew]

in all honesty, what do you think you would do if you encountered a trex at night while on a forest by yourself ?

me, i think i would pee my pants (if not more... lol), and then try to run while praying 🙏

• if i found a small cliff or hole that i thought I could survive (even with a few broken bones), i would dive in a heartbeat

[native kindle]

i wouldn't be in a forest at night by myself in the late cretaceous

[static widget]

Can humans not outrun them?

[last adder]

Even at lower speed estimates, humans generally aren't that fast.

[ancient crystal]

Not as comfortably as you might think.

Not to mention most humans are probably out of shape enough that they simply couldn't, and the fastest ones wouldn't have the endurance

[last adder]

Most people don't even run past speeds of 7-8mph.

[tough parcel]

I mean if you put your hand up, all dinosaurs are morally obligated to lean down and touch their snouts to your hand, taming themselves and allowing you to pass with no harm

[last adder]

Furthermore

If a theropod like rex was actually intending to hunt something around human size, you probably wouldn't notice until its just about too late, as it'd probably be an ambush, and they are terrifyingly well suited to being silent.

[hallow spear]

why are they well suited to being silent, im like 90% sure that is just speculation

[last adder]

Pretty sure there was a study done on their foot structure/padding.

Most large animals also aren't as loud as popular media portrays. If you've ever been around elephants you'd know their steps are more felt than heard, and iirc tyrannosaurus is thought to have padding structures that even mitigated against creating vibrations as it walked.

[hallow spear]

Elephants are specifically adapted for such no?

[last adder]

Not as much so, because they rely on sensing each other from distances via vibration sometimes.

[tough parcel]

Stego is correct here (unfortunately)

[stiff osprey]

The main thing with theropod feet is they create vibrations that are hard to track, so you don't know if they're coming or going, but that's only effective at like 20 meters away

And I think unless you're in like the Amazon rainforest, you are going to see a 12 meter animal when it is 20 meters away

[tough parcel]

The Seismic Wave Motion Camouflage of Large Carnivorous Dinosaurs
https://www.mna.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/125214/1/2018-blanco-et-al-2018-jtb.pdf

The specific paper Random is referring to

[last adder]

Alternatively, if you and the dinosaur happened to cross paths randomly, it'd really just be up to the rex what happens, if they deciding chasing you is worth it or not.

[undone rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IXXf_RuOp8g?feature=share

[last adder]

Ah, alright. I must've been misremembering.

But yeah, I'm only taking ambush into account if the surrounding area actually allows that.

[severe yew]

sadly, no 😭

[severe yew]

but if you were, what would you do?

[undone rapids]

Learn to climb trees and become Arboreal

[last adder]

Even still though, large animals can be surprisingly stealthy and I'd imagine that'd be even more important for a predator.

[undone rapids]

Animals in general prefer not making unnecessary noise cuz that either attracts predators or repels prey.

[last adder]

Exactly

Something that'd make them even harder to notice potentially is that you (or whatever else they're hunting) can often be distracted by other things in the environment, especially if it's unfamiliar.

[crystal dock]

I know this is a model from an mobile game but if we have to use our brains here

What theropod going off solely the head would it look like the most?

[undone rapids]

That chin does give Giga vibes

[ancient crystal]

I feel like jwtg could've afforded to make a medium carnivore rig, never understood why they didn't

[tough parcel]

Ok they could have afforded to buuut that's money you could be sending to your own pockets so 💅

[static widget]

That's so insane - man is so chonky, how he move like that

[ancient crystal]

Because they weren't chunky in the way humans are chunky. A tyrannosaurus' girth would mostly be muscle whereas the modern human's girth is mostly fat

[static widget]

Like hippo esk
Chunky but like 90% muscle is so funny

[open compass]

How did they even forget about the crests

Made this just for fun

[charred hearth]

does anyone have any, like, i guess video or image of how a plesiosaur would swim?

[crystal dock]

I was gonna do something similar

[last adder]

Oh wow, that looks so much better lmao.

[last adder]

Considering they swim unlike any creature before or since them, that's a great question to ask. Surprisingly I haven't heard much about it (in considerable depth) either.

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Paco26862358/status/1953148447634100578 would non avian dinosaurs have this?

Paco Nava (@Paco26862358)

Something that is not clear with this featherless chick is how clearly the callosity is noticeable. I always have some doubts about knowing what it was like in emus or if they had them. Apparently, it is something characteristic of terrestrial birds.

X · Aug 6, 2025, 5:37 PM

[ashen wedge]

Not entirely sure

[ancient crystal]

I was reading about proposals for rewilding projects in Australia last night and the one seemed relatively reasonable (introducing komodos to the mainland) but then they also talked about introducing lions and elephants and the article totally lost me

[compact leaf]

the elephants were proposed to control invasive grasses, the reasoning being they have such a slow reproductive rate they’d be unlikely to get out of control

[cloud dagger]

That’s not paleontology topic

[ancient crystal]

I guess that makes sense, and of course the more areas elephants can be safe from poachers the better, but the lions one was weird

[balmy oyster]

Hard to miss too if they do somehow

[compact leaf]

yeah the lions one is weird

[last adder]

I think they may have mentioned lions to help influence the behavior and populations of some abundant animals, but I really don't see why lions would be the best choice.

[ancient crystal]

Also, its paleontology adjacent because rewilding is done in response to niches left empty by extinct species

[warped peak]

Look paleontology

[quasi token]

flat fish 🔥

[last adder]

This channel is pretty often used for discussing animals, nature, and biology in general, so I don't see why its necessary to point that out regardless of what Venator said.

[last adder]

I have never heard of this creature before, such a strange looking fish.

[ancient crystal]

A delightful animal

[winter marsh]

a rock

[severe yew]

rip trike 💀

[cloud dagger]

Moderators have pointed it out number of times

[charred hearth]

did the saltwater crocodile attacking a Bornean elephant bull have any actual chance of taking it down?

[ancient crystal]

Probably not

[last adder]

Pretty sure other less appropriate things were being discussed in those instances, but I may be wrong.

[tough parcel]

Well I'm pretty sure tiskis isn't a moderator so

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tkdoesnothing-elephant-gator-petty-gif-11085049286155106954

[last adder]

"Get out of here, bud."

[ancient crystal]

Tbf this was a much smaller elephant and a much larger crocodile

[charred hearth]

i would send the vid but its against hte rules as its a animal being attacked

[stiff osprey]

If it went for the stomach/genitals it could have

or if it held it by a leg until exhaustion

[ancient crystal]

It went for the back of the head in case you haven't seen the video

[stiff osprey]

it kind of totally missed

[balmy oyster]

Wouldn’t the elephant just stomp it to death if it tried that though

[tough parcel]

The elephant was swimming in the video, hence why the croc was able to reach the back of its head (though it missed)

Elephant escaped because the croc waited too long and sorta grabbed it right as it reached the bank where it could run

[balmy oyster]

skill issue croc

[compact leaf]

by the look of it I think that elephant was getting out anyway

[ancient crystal]

Well, sure, but that's because the croc went for a healthy individual capable of defending itself.

Smaller predators relative to the size of massive prey can succeed if the victim is sick or trapped. As seen from that single great white that drowned an entangled humpback.

[stiff osprey]

It's happened before, a female elephant was bitten by a mugger croc in the stomach and would have died if not for human intervention

And salties are much bigger than muggers

Though tbf the elephant did escape the attack, she was going to die from infection due to her organs being exposed

You'd need an exceptionally massive croc (or a small elephant as seen in the vid) to actually pull it off

[charred hearth]

who had more injuries , big al or sue?

[hardy sentinel]

I think it's Sue

[warped peak]

Me

[winter marsh]

are you heartbroken

[warped peak]

No my knee just hurts

[hardy sentinel]

okay, Rupert

[fossil ingot]

Muggers can be cute

[balmy oyster]

How cute…

[civic fiber]

pancake dunkleosteus 🗣️

[compact leaf]

look at that big fat doofus in the last one and tell me he isn’t cute

[winter marsh]

they look chubby and thick and very fat and I wanna squish it

[balmy oyster]

no the joke was you said “cute” and cus of my name he looks very huggable

[wind prairie]

I thought most of an elephant's genitals were internal

[compact leaf]

not funny didn’t laugh I should’ve seen that

[balmy oyster]

The weiner usually is too apart from…select occasions

[last adder]

They are, they're near the spine actually.

And like other very large mammals/probably animals in general, the males uh, part, is retractable.

[stiff osprey]

I forgor

But the case with the mugger happened nonetheless

[last adder]

Yeah, I don't doubt it. I'm sure a large croc has taken out or at least caused an injury that led to an elephants death at least a few times in history.

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/weisuodongwu/status/1953565375997886831

weisuo尾索 (@weisuodongwu)

Sometimes, a rash young person needs a lesson.

X · Aug 7, 2025, 9:14 PM

will the tyrannosaurid have a broken jaw due to this strike if it happened irl?

[last adder]

Probably not but it depends?

[stark roost]

What video?

[stark roost]

BRO 💔

[stiff osprey]

Not sure it is postable in this channel as it's an animal attack, even though the elephant had no visible injuries

Also i'm sleeby someone else get it

[stark roost]

Awww

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-jaw-allosaurus-dinosaur-revolution-gif-15688576798474760248

[last adder]

Being slapped by a multi ton sauropod is very different than being struck by a 500 pound pterosaur.

Not to say that it's impossible for an azhdarchid to inflict damage or break bone with blunt force attacks, it's just unlikely to on the head or jaws of any larger end theropod considering their skulls could resist a lot of force.

[outer tusk]

https://fixupx.com/indoryann/status/1953487215482241487?s=46&t=pd4FZNNM_StR5QrGTcfhVA

Dreadnoughtus (comms open) (@Indoryann)

He walked a lonely road

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FixupX · Aug 7, 2025, 4:03 PM

[hardy sentinel]

We need some Silesaur representation outside of Silesaurus fr

https://x.com/AshleyPalaeo/status/1953382171793829930

Ashley Patch (@AshleyPalaeo)

unruly beasts silesaurs are

X · Aug 7, 2025, 9:06 AM

[wind prairie]

to say this in the least graphic way possible, it's funny how drastically some (like tapirs) can change their silhouette

[jagged trellis]

just a helping hand

[last adder]

I wouldn't doubt that many large non avian dinosaurs had something similar.

[frigid delta]

what are the chances for a hadrosaur fight between Para vs Lambeo?

[hardy sentinel]

Depends on if they herded together in the first place, or if they ate similar food

I'd say it's a low chance they woulda fought

[azure glacier]

😭😭

[thorn grove]

Hadrosaurs don't really strike me as animals that would frequently fight over resources, they're mostly adapted for running from threats and/or using display as intimidation. That's not to say fights are impossible or would never happen, but they seem unlikely.

To give a bit of input on the outcome though- tmk Parasaurolophus is a good bit bigger than Lambeosaurus so I think that would pretty decisively place the battle in its favor.

Also to give input on the original question since I missed it: Triceratops does strike me as the kind of herbivore to bully others over resources, and being both considerably more massive than Edmontosaurus and much better armed it would quite easily win assuming the Edmontosaurus doesn't just back down immediately.

[hardy sentinel]

The species of Parasaurolophus that Lambeosaurus co-existed with was of similar size if not smaller, so I reckon the fight would go either way or be in the favor of lambeosaurus

[thorn grove]

walkeri had a big humerus found that puts it roughly on par with the other Para species iirc although I'm unfamiliar with how the average sizes shake out

here

[wind prairie]

I could see it in stegosaurs, because plates would be uncomfortable in a mount

[inner thunder]

Why Gorgo is bigger than Das ??

[frigid delta]

*taller

[undone rapids]

The height difference seems more than it is due to posture, gorgo is standing straighter while daspleto is walking

[ashen wedge]

Depends, but I say it’s 60% in favor of Parasauruolophus, but 40% in favor of the Dasp and Discount Albertosaurus

[sharp dragon]

You're telling me, hadrosaurs weren't killing machines that killed at least 6-7 tyrannosaurids a day? PREPOSTEROUS!

[ashen wedge]

Nah, they were beating the devil in a musical contest against the golden fiddle

[halcyon cobalt]

6-7?

[frigid delta]

white ahh reaction image

[limpid crane]

Bro can yall recommend me some paleontology discord please (I was on topic about dinosaurs tho just wanna seek for a split discord that are mainly about mesozoic era and paleontology stuff if anyone knows)

Especially Triassic would be cool, I am currently working on nothosaurus digital art and so keen about its environment

[wooden forge]

Could anyone help me find a site that I can use to research all creatures found in specific formations? Like the Xiagou Formation and others?

[undone rapids]

Well there's the wiki and it has most of the stuff

[wooden forge]

If you mean wikipedia it seems to be incorrect as it kept telling me Deinosuchus was in various formations that other sites were saying it wasnt

[hardy sentinel]

"this comment looks similar to others that have been reported"

[balmy oyster]

Deinosuchus was in multiple formations, but it was different species

[winter marsh]

the thing is, Silesaurus is already small and iirc the biggest of the family. So any other Silesaurs would basicallky be quadruped compys that eat plants

[tough parcel]

Not the (im a geologist) 💀 💀

[outer perch]

Yup, totally allosaurus!

That’s hobby lobby for ya!

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-carnage-trex-kills-spino-gif-1130306146301639501

[last adder]

Not only that, but they labeled what's clearly supposed to be a tyrannosaurus as an allosaurus- I have no idea how anyone couldn't instantly identify the most well known non avian dinosaur.. regardless of how it's portrayed.

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-killing-t-rex-jurassic-park-3-gif-12356895238206207825

[faint dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-killing-t-rex-jurassic-park-3-gif-12356895238206207825

[stray wren]

Primal Carnage rex spotted

[ancient crystal]

I remember this being my favorite animation on the internet as a child because the spinosaurus died

[tough parcel]

We're too old, the children nowadays do not recognize it as the Primal Carnage rex...

They see Rex v Spino and instantly assume it's JP3

[ancient crystal]

Didn't the next primal carnage game start getting developed again recently?

I feel like I heard that

[stray wren]

PC:E never stopped development

[tough parcel]

^ It's been going for a long while

[stray wren]

and it's probably gonna get a Primitve War Collab maybe possibly

[tough parcel]

https://youtu.be/KcudL7t6oDk?si=XDFGBJnP2M4U7AnF

Educate yoself

[faint dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/black-nerd-black-nerd-gif-26919340

[tough parcel]

It's not a PS exclusive? I'm literally playing it on PC rn

They're just updating the PS4 version right now

[ancient crystal]

No, I mean evolution, the next game

It only mentions ps on the website

[tough parcel]

Evolution = Extinction

Different name for PS4 (for some reason)

[ancient crystal]

Ohhh ok, that's interesting

Either way, I've only just realized I can play this game since seeing it for the first time a decade ago

[tough parcel]

It's truly amazing

[balmy oyster]

Accurate synopsis of bloodborne

[winter marsh]

I love paleontology and fighting fetuses

what in the hell makes an archaeology expedition transform into a fight with a fetus with a sword placenta

[halcyon cobalt]

it’s like tomb raider but a lot more moist and damp

[tough parcel]

That happens often actually! Why do you think archaeologists carry rocks around

[winter marsh]

to bonk prehistoric lizards

[halcyon cobalt]

Tbh if I found blood in old tunnels I would fear it

[balmy oyster]

Earthbound

[winter marsh]

NOOOOOO

[marsh tapir]

@ancient crystal Please remain on the topics appropriate for this channel and server. Refer to our #rules and channel guidelines in the pinned messages.

[winter marsh]

there isnt any channels to dump lore from other media, no fair

[lavish frigate]

Oh hasten the day when POT staff add more discussion channels….

Anyway, heres the worst chart to ever be a chart

[wind prairie]

funny because jp3 is like over 10 years older than PC

[wind prairie]

FR OH MY GOD???

[last adder]

Many awesome and interesting genera regardless of dated portrayals, but most of them aren't dinosaurs.

[nova shell]

I want to cry just looking at this

[outer perch]

Whats crazy is that they had Tyrannosaurus on the sticker sheet 😭

[winter marsh]

tbh aint that, bad it just has one billion problems

[tough parcel]

Ngl kinda loving that Postosuchus aesthetic

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-ryan-gosling-gif-11536988

[ancient crystal]

Oh I see a David Peters creature

[winter marsh]

longisquama was built like that, it wasnt some weird feathered thing with appendiges

well, it was a weird thing with long vertebrae but it was speculated lel

[halcyon cobalt]

Is this to scale ?

[winter marsh]

now that I see the dimetrodon over there holy jesus

[thorn grove]

yes

[halcyon cobalt]

kaiju longisquama

[balmy oyster]

my favorite dinosaur

[static widget]

Chunky 😄

[ancient crystal]

Idk how anyone would look at that and think "dinosaur"

Even through the eyes of a lay man, that couldn't be further from the general idea of a dinosaur

[balmy oyster]

I could show this to a toddler and even it would think I’m crazy

[wind prairie]

you vastly, vastly overestimate the common person's knowledge of dinosaurs, some people think mammoths, megalodon, crocodiles etc. are dinosaurs
a dicynodont could absolutely be mistaken for one

[last adder]

^

[frigid delta]

mammoth & megalodon
is an elephant & a shark
some people think they're dinosaurs

what

[balmy oyster]

It’s probably because some people assume the word “dinosaur” just applies to anything ancient or prehistoric, rather than an actual specific clade of animal

[frigid delta]

they're seeing a literal elephant & shark and says "yeah this is a dinosaur"
mental illness at its finest

[balmy oyster]

David peters making archosaurian elephants

[frigid delta]

everytime that name got mentioned an angel falls from heaven

[charred hearth]

would jumping really help shake off parsites?

[balmy oyster]

Yes, plenty of large marine animals do this and I think it does partly work

[halcyon cobalt]

Being slightly ignorant about naming conventions isn’t really that detrimental to the average person

[charred hearth]

peak paleo media https://x.com/AlpacaOkinawa/status/1953960797551624655

南のアルパカ (@AlpacaOkinawa)

A story of two university students going to see a Mosasaurus（1/10）

X · Aug 8, 2025, 11:25 PM

like, this is paleo accurate beauty right here

[wind prairie]

don't have twitter so I can't even look at all of it but it looks nice

[last adder]

While amazing, I'd like to point out that the Hesperornis have an incorrect foot structure, but that's literally the only thing out of EVERYTHING that could be better, this is great!

[tough parcel]

Mosa has a weird skull

[last adder]

Could just be how they drew it/angle but yeah.

[charred hearth]

did mosa live in the interior sea way? i thought it lived at hell creek

[halcyon cobalt]

Guess what hell creek was close to

[balmy oyster]

Hell creek was beside the interior sea way, hence why we found a mosa fossil in the formation

[sharp dragon]

That or it was on vacation.

[balmy oyster]

Wonder what it thought of Appalachia

[wind prairie]

no. We don't know how hesperornithids' feet were. In fact webbing may even be more plausible iirc (could be wrong on that, but it is at least up in the air)

[last adder]

Oh? I wasn't aware. I thought there was more known about it ngl.

[wind prairie]

unless something new has since come out that I'm not aware of

[tough parcel]

Asked a Mosasaurus this but the things it said cannot and should not be repeated to another living being

[wind prairie]

so, mosasaurus, how's the other half of North America??
"mmmmm. grrrmmmmm. hm. kkkkgggrrrsshaa. shshshhkkkrrr. shrhrrrr. rr. hrrr." - if they even made sounds at all

[balmy oyster]

Try globidens they’re a lot more chill

[lavish frigate]

On behalf of mosasaurs everywhere, Mosasaurus hoffmanni would like to formally apologize to Dryptosaurus for the multiple insensitive remarks he made during his stop in Appalachia.
“I have made a severe (flicks tongue) and continuous lapse in my judgment in regards to the things I have said about Appalachia (flicks tongue) and the dinosaurs within it. Specifically id like to apologize to Dryptosaurus for the repeated undeserved verbal harassment that I mistakenly engaged in (flicks tongue)” — Mosasaurus

[stark roost]

What did appalachia look like in the final years of the Cretaceous

[lavish frigate]

Mosasaurus is the big shot sports star who thinks they can get away with anything, and Globidens is a chill dad type who’s honest to his core and cares for those around him

The Mosasaur dichotomy

[wind prairie]

.. a big shot, you say?

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-based-gif-14066805759704587318

[balmy oyster]

Who would tylo be

[lavish frigate]

Gruff veteran who lives in a trailer park and refuses to talk about his past

[wind prairie]

(wait a minute why is the word l*sbian banned!?!?)

I'm still goin with our take on mosa and tylo lol. but tylosaurus is the toxic one in the relationship.
globidens is the docile short friend who eats hard candy, khinjaria is angry all the time and nobody really likes him

[sharp dragon]

I'd watch a Tylosaurus Vtuber with an incredibly realistic avatar, and they just make deep bellowing hisses and gurgles the whole stream while playing Minecraft or something.

[wind prairie]

complete with biting and envenomating the chat box, constant tongue flicking, and breaching for air occasionally

[lavish frigate]

At that point you could just watch a really long looping tylosaurus animation with a game or video in the background and it’s the same experience 🙏

[stark roost]

What the absolute hell is that comment bro. You don’t know how funny this is at 3 am

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/YbOqekcVFsw?si=4882IrFWRsO22EzH

Spino isn't loon anymore lol

[balmy oyster]

These videos would be so cool if they were actually true and based on science, not based on vibes

[sudden wind]

Lot of birds do molt and sometimes it is quite ugly. They can do it quite differently from one species to another.

[frigid delta]

Trike is straight up stolen croc growl

[prisma timber]

Why did para start farting at the start

[prisma timber]

It doesn't really make sense why they are gay

[sharp dragon]

"Me and my wife/husband are going to force you to mate with me, then i will keep our child and either murder you or force you into the middle of nowhere."

No reason behaviors like that couldn't have existed, another thing to add to the "healthy speculation" pile.

The "Unhealthy Speculation" pile has gladiatorial combat and laser rifle usage.

[halcyon cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/treyreloaded-gif-25910669

[ashen wedge]

Cause they can be, that’s why

[ancient crystal]

Extant theropods exhibit homosexual behavior today, so it does happen

[native kindle]

doesn't "make sense" why so many birds are gay today either, but they are🤷‍♀️ just a completely natural thing they do

[prisma timber]

They practicing or sum

[small geyser]

Lots of animals exhibit behaviors that seem like they don’t further the species survival. As long as the species can continue to make new generations there isn’t an issue.

[cloud dagger]

In horses a mare showing stallion-like behavior and interest towards other mares is most likely because of a tumor in ovaries or some other condition, these conditions could explain some of the behavior in animals

[dusk glade]

I dont think this is related to the channel really but imagine how majestic a living sauropod would be

[undone rapids]

That's about living dinos so yeah its related, yeah they'd be so majestic

There's an animation about a mamenchisaur looking down on a baby sauropod with its really long neck. I once saw on twitter... then it refreshed and i've never been able to find it again

[fiery maple]

There's the 'gay uncle' hypothesis that suggests that, in social species that provide parental care, a homosexual pair essentially means that there's two more adults in the population with their metaphorical hands completely free to help rear their relatives' young since they won't have any offspring of their own, too!

[floral ivy]

Awesome
More speculative dinosaur vocalizations!! (just hope someone won't re-upload saying its their true sound though 😭)

[ancient crystal]

Unfortunately that is exactly what will happen

[floral ivy]

Yep, peoples are just biased lol

[sharp dragon]

I sure cannot wait for these sounds to be stolen, uploaded in a video called "100% REAL DINO NOISES !!!!!!", and lead to the original creator being bombarded with peopls saying he's spreading misinformation, despite that never being in their interest or intent whatsoever.

The new tyrannosaur noises shown off are sick though, i need some piece of dinosaur media to use something like that for a large theropod.

[tawdry shadow]

What's everyone's favorite prehistoric time period? And what's your favorite organism from said time period? (Ex: Precambrian, trilobites, etc)

[sharp dragon]

Must i really say anything?

[tawdry shadow]

In your case, I guess not.

[sharp dragon]

To me, that sort of behaviour is the nail in the non-existant coffin for animal sentience.
These creatures understand themselves, their nature, their needs, just like you and i do.

To say man is the only truly intelligent species is both ignorance, stupidity, and a heaping pile of hubris.

DEINOCHEIRUS is the only intelligent species you dorks.
I kidd

[tawdry shadow]

For me, it's a toss-up between Parasaurolophus and the Cretaceous, or the Carboniferous period with a tie between Arthropleura and Meganeura.

[open compass]

[sharp dragon]

Someone yell at this 4 year old and take his tablet away.

[tawdry shadow]

🎵 I like BIG BUGS and I cannot lie! 🎵

[sharp dragon]

You can lie, liar, how dare you lie to me liar. I'll lay you out you liar-liar-pants-on-fire liar you.

Lyre Bird.

[tawdry shadow]

Y'know, are there any prehistoric bird-like animals that have been theorized to have been similar to lyre birds, mockingbirds, and the like of today?

[sharp dragon]

Quillkin smells like a porcupine, and Crowanna smells like ravens.
Yes ravens, not crows believe it or not.
Smelling like the All-Father himself up in here.

Indeed Sir Quillkin.
Now, time to start figuring out how many swans i can fit in a witches cauldron.

If that is the case, my opinion on them does not change at all.

One still owes me 5 dollars.
Shouldn't have trusted a bird called a LIAR-bird...
He also made chainsaw noises at me to threaten me, i hate deforestation.

[tawdry shadow]

May you please enlighten me on everything you know about Deinocheirus Mirifcus? I fear I may not know enough about it.

In fact, please enlighten all of us on Deinocheirus Mirifucs.

[halcyon cobalt]

Bs

[sharp dragon]

I did, and it reminded me on how i would like more dinosaur media depict dinosaurs as gross, because they would be.
I sure am.

Not overly may i add, i mean as gross as animals in real life get, which is very.

[tawdry shadow]

What do you guys think Deinocheirus Mirificus would look like in different stages if it followed speculative evolution?

[sharp dragon]

Well, where do i start? don't answer that, i know more than you, don't take this away from me my ego can't handle it.

Long before time had a name, the first ornithomimosaur created Deinocheirids. He said: "Lol, imma make this big thing, and uhhhhhhhh it'll be the perfect organism or smthn idk anymore man."

And so, Deinocheirus Mirificus was born! (and possibly some currently undiscovered north american Deinocheirid but that's unconfirmed don't listen to me.)

[sharp dragon]

What do you mean by this? like evolutionarily? growth stages?

[tawdry shadow]

Tell me more about this unconfirmed Deinocheirid. I'll admit, I never heard of Deinocheirus until I got into PoT. 👀

[tawdry shadow]

Yes!

[halcyon cobalt]

Probably wouldn’t change much, then go extinct methinks

[sharp dragon]

You'll go extinct you doofus.
I'll fill your pool with mulch while i'm at it.

[tawdry shadow]

Like, what if it eventually evolved into the size of today's ducks, but the claws stayed the same size or got a bit bigger?

[sharp dragon]

I cannot, i literally cannot, i don't know anything about it other than there are allegedly, trackways that may be from one.
Allegedly.

[halcyon cobalt]

doesn’t really sound plausible unless a case of insular dwarfism

[sharp dragon]

Which wouldn't happen, we're all safe here in Deinocheirus Villerificus.

Deinocheirus Fact: We know what you did, and you will be punished when your time comes.
The Council awaits your arrival.

Don't forget to visit the gift shop on your way in, we have squishy/rubber Deinocheirus toys!

[last adder]

Awesome to see someone acknowledging this. <3

[last adder]

This too, and really the entire conversation you two had. It's really refreshing to read.

[ancient crystal]

This isn't entirely paleo related so hopefully the mods don't try to crucify me again

But what's everyone's favorite nature documentary? Doesn't have to be a dino doc, I think mine is Our Planet

[stiff osprey]

The Hunt is fire

[last adder]

I don't know if I have any true favorites, but Ocean is very impactful.

It released this year.

[ancient crystal]

Seaspiracy is another favorite of mine from Netflix

[last adder]

I still need to watch this- where could I find it?

[last adder]

I've also never seen that one, the question you asked earlier is already proving to be great at giving things to look into.

[ancient crystal]

Netflix has made some absolute banger documentaries

And then they've also made LoOP so...

[last adder]

Not familiar with that either but based on how you're talking about it, I'm not sure if I want to be lmao.

[ancient crystal]

Life on Our Planet, it had so much potential but it was reduced to largely outdated anthropocene-favoritist slop

[last adder]

Oh yep.. I have seen that I just didn't recognize the abbreviation you gave it. I really didn't like it either and am almost certain its been mentioned here before.

[ancient crystal]

I've seen variations of "Loop" as the abbreviation and I find it too funny not to use

[last adder]

Even aside the clear bias and things it did wrong, it was pretty lackluster.

It's easy to tell that they didn't have the same passion and appreciation for life- of all kinds- as so many others do.

[undone rapids]

I'm glad loop did one part of the eras pretty well even if the rest was meh.
It kinda worked out well since PHP is now doing the Ice Ages and already did some dino stuff

[last adder]

Something I've been hoping for the most is a paleodocumentarty that actually goes all out in trying to portray the surrounding environment as well as it can (regardless of where or when it takes place) based on current understanding- but it'd be so expensive and extensive.

[sudden wind]

I need to watch it

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-walking-with-dinosaurs-the-ballad-of-big-al-big-al-allosaurus-gif-11956583142257223726

[last adder]

Walking with dinosaurs def did the best in that regard for its time ngl. (Original WWD)

[ashen wedge]

Wait there is another Walking With Dinosaurs? And no one told me?

[last adder]

It's not good, but yeah.

[ancient crystal]

Can I stream the original wwd anywhere?

I'm making a list of documentaries to watch/rewatch

[last adder]

I'm not sure where it is, it's been so long since I've seen it.

[last adder]

Not sure how well this fits here, but what do you guys think a funny name would be for an angry little Stegoceras character?

[ancient crystal]

The original 1999 season of WWD is unavailable due to expired rights

Funny how, Netflix, with the worst of the three recent dinosaur documentaries has the greatest overall selection of documentaries.

And Apple TV+ with the best of the recent dinosaur documentaries, has the worst overall selection of documentaries

[last adder]

I've never thought about it that way but you're absolutely right about that.. interesting.

[ancient crystal]

Tbf, Netflix has ancient apocalypse, and allowing the fiend that is Graham Hanckock to have a credible platform to spew his garbage is terrible

[thorn grove]

my wwd music playlist on youtube just suddenly vanished as soon as the new one came out :(

[ashen wedge]

I have the dvd set

[wind prairie]

it's on internet archive and dailymotion

[tulip dove]

Can tell ya already that the only thing about it that is something like WWD is the name of the documentary
Anything else beyond that is nothing like the original

[last adder]

It's so lifeless and downplays nature so much that I cant even bring myself to watch it through.

It's legitimately depressing, especially when compared to documentaries on extant life.

[wind prairie]

I pray surviving earth is the peak we've been waiting for
and ofc preplanet ice age

[last adder]

I haven't heard Surviving Earth in such a long time.

Its been being worked on for such a long time apparently- I hope its good.

Based on what I've been seeing for its production it's really promising.

[last adder]

Wow- It looks really good. Actually having practical effects for immersion and using ancient-looking environments for their real world shots.

[balmy oyster]

It’s…not good unfortunately

[charred hearth]

when was australia formed? what like, period?

[winter marsh]

yes

[native kindle]

~135MYA is when im seeing it split, so very early cretaceous

~180MYA is when India, Madagascar, Antarctica and Australia(+ new zealand) Split off from Africa and South America

[trim bluff]

Could somebody fill me in on that study that reevaluated dinosaur cheeks?

I heard that it had implications for those little cheeks spikes on Tyrannosaurus not being visible on the animal in life

Where do we stand on that scientifically?

[dry kindle]

Do we have evidence of protoceratops quills?

[wind prairie]

no

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/omegafreelancer/status/1953982658209546336 thoughts?

Omegafreelancer (Commissions OPEN!) (@omegafreelancer)

Doin research on abelisaur evolution made me realize Path of Titans was onto something with their Pycnonemosaurus

X · Aug 9, 2025, 12:52 AM

[stiff osprey]

i think that due to how xitter works i can't see what is being said

[winter marsh]

idk if this is good or bad

[balmy oyster]

The main issue is that PoT’s pycno is carnotaurus but pycno only in name. What the guy also said isn’t news breaking either, it’s been known that pycno either falls near carno or more basal in abelisauridae and has moved around some bit

[stiff osprey]

in my experience abelisaur taxonomy also changes more often than the popular conception of spinosaurus does so pot's take happening to fit a particular study means very little

[muted vector]

Were there any dinosaurs that could mimic the sound of other dinos? Someone said maybe Dilophosaurus or a raptor. But I think it would be cool to see that as a hunting strategy

[stiff osprey]

Impossible to know, but given there were millions of species over 200+ million years, it probably happened at some point

[iron halo]

is this true

[winter marsh]

yes

[stiff osprey]

It's true I was the sinocalliopteryx

[hallow spear]

Likely

[outer tusk]

I was the rock I saw everything

[wind prairie]

yeesh the rock must be way older than I thought then
"it's about drive, it's about power" - he said to himself in determination to live into the holocene

[outer tusk]

Ong gng, I have the stripes to show it

[halcyon cobalt]

This is what she meant by having great jeans btw

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus average size finally revealed

[halcyon cobalt]

is this xyrannosaurus Rex?

[thorn grove]

nah that's twice this size

[balmy oyster]

Jurassic park mosa dna

[jagged trellis]

sub adult specimen ong

[charred hearth]

do you think we'll ever find another hadrosaur from hells creek? i always found it odd how its only edmonto

[thorn grove]

at this point idk

it'd be kind of crazy to have 10s of thousands of edmonto elements and barely anything else if there were other hadrosaurs there, i mean they could have been ecologically marginal but still

granted a few finds have been attributed to other things but none of it is definitive for now afaik

[stiff osprey]

That is possible if the other hadrosaurs lived in a different sort of environment

But at that point are they really from hell creek or just an area near hell creek

[thorn grove]

do we even have another not indet. lancian hadrosaur

i cant think of one but maybe im forgoring

oh wait yea we do

[stiff osprey]

it's like if you stand on a beach in south africa are you in great white shark territory because you're physically near a shark

[thorn grove]

territory is just an arbitrarily large circle around the animal that doesn't account for any other factors

[stiff osprey]

real

[sullen cairn]

if you ignore (evans, twitter) you kinda have the same thing with barsboldia/saurolophus nemegt

[thorn grove]

fair point

[stark roost]

Wuh

[thorn grove]

there's way more saurolophus material than bars material from nemegt

[stark roost]

Oh ok

[hardy sentinel]

Bros dragging it

[balmy oyster]

Gonna trail it til the very end

[hardy sentinel]

His logic makes no sense too because for Rex to be a primary scavenger like he claims Hyenas are wouldn't that mean there was another carnivore killing the elephant sized dinos?

[halcyon cobalt]

This would be a good analogue if the hyenas were the only large predators in the environment, and were also the largest animal in the environment

[hardy sentinel]

To be fair there is a bigger predator in the hell creek:

||Jack Horner visiting the hell creek 66 Million years later||

[tulip dove]

Erm, I think you're forgetting the true apex predator of the Hell Creek...
Acheroraptor of course!

[halcyon cobalt]

Missed edmusthosaurus opportunity

[hardy sentinel]

But why is it so hard for Horner to accept the fact that this is a highly specialized hunter with traits that scavengers have

Fella is walking confirmation bias

Straight up ignoring the fact that we have healed Tyrannosaurus inflicted wounds in what a Rex would prey on

[sharp dragon]

Isn't that whole shpeal just a stunt? I'm quite sure the guy doesn't actually believe this.
Though, having two separate documentaries made about your horrendous, unbacked, scientifically impossible, physically impossible, and outright silly idea, perhaps he does actually believe this theory.

[balmy oyster]

I mean hyenas do scavenge plenty but they’re also pretty excellent hunters, and the only reason why they scavenge frequently is because it’s easier to seek out a corpse than trying to take down a healthy mobile version of the animal

If he wasn’t so biased towards Rex his analogies would be decent, but regardless it wouldn’t be anything too special other than common sense

[tulip dove]

The whole thing sprung from the fact that he didn't like the animal itself, cuz he kept finding Tyrannosaurus fossils and not hadrosaur fossils

[hardy sentinel]

He's a senile old dude who is married to his student, what do you expect? He goes with what he thinks is right

[hardy sentinel]

Has he heard of other formations where Hadrosaur fossils are more common? Perhaps the Dinosaur Park formation?

[sharp dragon]

Yes, which leads me to believe that the guy doesn't actually believe this, and is just trying to rile people up and spread misinformation.

[balmy oyster]

What if he does believe it and just want to spread chaos? we have people like GSP who do outlandish things and seem to believe it, so why’s Horner exempt from this?

[tulip dove]

He also has other stupid statements too (Not surprising)
Such as head weaponry being a bad investment for animals (Something he brought up while discussing Pachycephalosaurid headbutting)

[balmy oyster]

The original edmusthosaurus glazer…patient zero…

[sharp dragon]

Perhaps i put too much credibility to some folk.
Regardless, whole things dumb no matter the intent.

[hardy sentinel]

It's sad that a Paleontologist of that much popularity and former credibility uses his power to spread false narratives about an animal he doesn't like

My 6 year old cousin is more mature than that guy, he sees an animal he thinks is cool but doesn't like, he picks another animal he thinks is cool and likes it without bashing on the animal he doesn't like

[hardy sentinel]

At least he's a good walking example of why calling out the "appeal to authority" fallacy is important

All he's good for nowadays as a Paleontologist

[hardy sentinel]

Bruv thinks a Pachycephalosaurus is gonna attack a T.rex 💀

[sharp dragon]

This man has not heard of goats.

Or like, literally every ungulate.

[halcyon cobalt]

aren’t there a couple of hyena species that are obligate scavengers? ( or at least very close )

[undone rapids]

Stripped Hyenas scavenge more often and are facultative scavengers. Brown Hyenas seem to scavenge the most.

[sharp dragon]

I prefer Rainbow Hyenas.
I use them in my Endless Hyena Pit.

[harsh forge]

Is he just a ragebaitologist atp? 🥀

[stark roost]

That’s honestly so goated I CANNOT lie

[ancient crystal]

He hasn't been anything else since the 90s

[open compass]

He's absolutely right

[ancient crystal]

Well I doubt pachycephalosaurus was on an adult tyrannosaurus' menu much if the time.

The dome head would have been useful for defense against smaller predators

[ashen wedge]

Dam…… and I thought that the Hardrosaurs there had to worry about T-Rex, and maybe Nano (if it’s valid), and maybe Dakotaraptor (if it’s valid)

[dusky prairie]

Is it scientifically plausible for hadrosaurs and iguanodontids to use there tails as weapons out of curiosity?

[white matrix]

the jp brachi fans are gonna hate this one

[open compass]

Why?

[white matrix]

cause they all like the skin wrapped skull

[tough parcel]

Show, I've got some people

[outer tusk]

There's fans for JP brachi fan? ( btw JP brach is giraffa )