paleontology

[fossil ingot]

Don't think even AMNH 5027 is getting so fast

[undone rapids]

yeah idk where google gets estimates, its all over teh place

[severe yew]

yes, of course, but that is the biggest animal we have now, and thus why it is sometimes used for comparison

we have to work with what we have

[fossil ingot]

Yeah but even if its the closest.
Its only thr closest in size
Not Anatomically which is important

Elephants are also like, surprisingly fast for their size

[undone rapids]

We can work with studies that estimate rex's speed with Models. 20-35 kph is a pretty decent range for big guys depending on their size. Like all big theropods were probably within that range

Since they were all just walking as fast as they could, some had longer legs or were lighter so that'd be the main difference

Which was good enough for the slow ceratopsians, stegos and sauropods

Fast and Fat

[hallow spear]

I woudlnt class Ceratopsians and Stegosaurs as slow honestly, they still reach similar speeds as the large theropods
Sauropods are just freaks of natures, some are speedy some arnt, doubt they could maintain the speed for long tho

[undone rapids]

They're slower than the Theropods of their formation usually no?

[hallow spear]

thats very broad considering you said all stegosuars, ceratopsians and sauropods. the majority of ceratopsians and stegosaurs are pretty small

[undone rapids]

Fine... most of the ones people care about... mabe

[halcyon cobalt]

because google ai is more reliable than actual studies

[hallow spear]

the slander...

[severe yew]

bro, i have seen a lot of you gathering information from Wikipedia, as if that is any better

[halcyon cobalt]

Wikipedia is probably better, actually

[balmy oyster]

Tbf when it comes to paleontology things Wikipedia is managed pretty thoroughly and frequently

[severe yew]

i would honestly not rely on it entirely, just saying 😅

[undone rapids]

It links the studies its making claims from so that's nice

[balmy oyster]

Of course, it’s great to always check the sources wiki pages use

[severe yew]

sometimes it does, but i have also seen very unreliable, outdated, and questionable information

[undone rapids]

That's why its better than ai, which just mixes everything

[severe yew]

surprisingly, bro, the current state of ai is insane, almost scary 😳

[undone rapids]

On the wiki you can understand which ones to take with a grain of salt if the methodology doesn't seem the best

[ancient crystal]

AI is, objectively speaking, never a good source.

[severe yew]

look, i found this scientific paper saying that trex size would not be an obstacle to very high speeds

and this is my point, that some papers say one thing, then s few years later they say another, and it goes back and forth 😅

so that is why we have to remember that whatever is shown to be the final say in paleontology, will most likely change

"The obtained results don’t mean that T. Rex had to run at speeds 21—29 m/s. We claim only that its large dimensions couldn’t be an obstacle to achieving such high speeds during short intervals of fast running."

[severe yew]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324248024_Tyrannosaurus_Rex_Running_Estimations_of_Efficiency_Speed_and_Acceleration

20 meters per second is 44.7 mph, by the way

[fossil ingot]

It also depends how Old the Paper is and the method of it.
Mainly the Method

[severe yew]

of course, bro 😅

but old does not automatically mean that it is incorrect

[fossil ingot]

Well yeah.
And the Paper Random's shared while from 2017
Shows good Evidence, Methods, used 3D Models, etc.

[undone rapids]

Being big doesn't mean you can't be fast, though how much of stress your bones can handle does limit stuff.

[severe yew]

also, often in science, things are flawed, so even scientific articles get it wrong (proven to be wrong only years or decades later)

.
hell, sometimes even centuries later 😢

[steady rock]

https://x.com/JoschuaKnuppe/status/1949646486469230617/photo/1 thoughts on this ourano ?

Joschua Knüppe (@JoschuaKnuppe)

Oh! I also forgot to post @TenontosaurusT's wish! A Ouranosaurus relaxing in the morning.
#paleostream

X · Jul 28, 2025, 1:41 AM

[wind prairie]

I see bro is pulling out the "well scientists can be wrong" card

[undone rapids]

Ouranofarus...

[severe yew]

at first glance, ugly as f, fr 😬

[severe yew]

because it happens all the time, bro

fr, it does 😅

[ancient crystal]

The whole we can never know bullcrap that plagues paleontology is so annoying

[hardy sentinel]

Were there any obligate bipedal synapsids before the cenozoic?

[wind prairie]

if the science supporting it is good, the only reason someone would use this argument is if they didn't WANT it to be true

[balmy oyster]

Imo I think it’s…not good.

Soft tissue is ridiculous, even for mammal standards it’s excessive

[severe yew]

is not only paleo, bro

it happens in all sciences, tbf

[wind prairie]

I swear there is a group of little jerboa like mammals from cretaceous mongolia

🥀

[hardy sentinel]

We should go back in time and stop this fish

[steady rock]

whats the more accurate feathering for a large raptor?

[hardy sentinel]

Calvus subspecies for Achillobator, but if I had to choose between these two, Saurian Dakota 100%

[wind prairie]

they're almost exactly the same lol

[stuck chasm]

Hello! Just stepping in before this escalates further. Let's please keep this channel on-topic and respectful for everyone participating in the discussion

It is important to remember that what one person may not find offensive, another might. So, let's please be mindful. Thank you

[steady rock]

did all hadrosaurs have like, extremely thick necks like para or no?

[opaque kayak]

Bro walks 100 meters in 13 seconds 🗣️ 🔥

[steady rock]

anyone have the size of the large hell creek raptor?

[ancient crystal]

Its the size of at least one hell creek turtle

[wind prairie]

we don't even know if para's neck was that thick

no no I'm not saying it was thin, just some like to bloat it is all

[hardy sentinel]

which Ardipithecus with a suit do you guys like more

[fossil ingot]

POT's Achillo is pretty good other than been so Big

[severe yew]

Spino, the peak dino 🔥

[ancient crystal]

The right one, everytime I look at your pfp I think its a character from lethal company and then I laugh when I see the monkey

[hardy sentinel]

proceeds to show a Baryonyx with a sail

[wind prairie]

you think you're funny don't you??
I see right through you.

[wicked vault]

Left

[opaque kayak]

So peak bro lost the tail fin

[severe yew]

maybe an older cast 😅

[steady rock]

nanotyrannus son or dakotaraptor daughter

[hardy sentinel]

That is your great x176,000 grandmother fyi (the original paleoart depicts a female ardipithecus)

[opaque kayak]

The second one looks more posh ngl

[wind prairie]

I am a nanotyrannus son so I'm biased to that

[severe yew]

no, i think it was supposed to be a Spino before they came out with shorter legs thing, lol

[hardy sentinel]

Which was basically a Baryonyx with a sail

[wind prairie]

honestly??
you could make him less fancy and turn him into a proper bloke

[opaque kayak]

Is it true that spinosaurus used a spaceship to survive the cenomanian-turonian extinction and now is returning to earth evolved as lizard people?

[fossil ingot]

Bary but bulkier proportions and sail

[hardy sentinel]

pfp changed, we locked in

Lowkey should I add the yellow bowtie from the original?

[wind prairie]

can confirm, actually we're doing it right now

[steady rock]

is there any habitat today that could sustain spino?

[severe yew]

Florida, maybe

[wind prairie]

nowhere with a body of water proportionally small enough, with big enough fish tbh

[ashen wedge]

Nah

[hardy sentinel]

The amazon river or florida (assuming the floridians don't touch it)

[opaque kayak]

LOCKED IN

[ashen wedge]

Sorry that was my bad, in my defense, the alligator was giving me that look

[hardy sentinel]

anyways guess i'm returning to the microsoft paint clothed Ardi

[steady rock]

besides fish, would crocodiles also be on the menu for spino?

[severe yew]

of course 😅

[wind prairie]

do not feed or what now

[fossil ingot]

Two Peak Animals in 1 Pic

[ashen wedge]

Yeah, I’m sorry my Florida instincts kicked in

[hardy sentinel]

Crocs would probably be one of the main things that could keep a Spino fed, giant Arapaima and sturgeon are rarer nowadays than they used to be

[severe yew]

crocodiles even eat other crocodiles

cannibalism is the norm

[steady rock]

tell me how unlikely this is

sarosuchus weight or more crocodilian from spinos formation

[ashen wedge]

Ain’t peak, just chunky

[hardy sentinel]

chat should I make more Ardipithecus pfp variants? I'm bored and need ideas

[wind prairie]

use a different hominid

[severe yew]

i wonder who would win a fight? 🤔

[opaque kayak]

do giganthopithecus but it’s just a jaw

[hardy sentinel]

Ardi was important in figuring out our evolution though, Ardi single handedly disproved that we came from knuckle walkers and instead came from bipeds

Ardipithecus the GOAT

[severe yew]

why not something else entirely?

[hardy sentinel]

because what other silly ape am I going to draw human clothing on

Plus I just really find this specific photo funny to look at

I guess I could do other goofy stuff like this

[ashen wedge]

Curious George and the man in the yellow jacket?

[wind prairie]

small reminder I'm the reason you even made that ardipithecus so I can say other hominids would be funny in clothing too (or even animals in general)

[hardy sentinel]

Jesse Pinkman Allosaurus

[wind prairie]

put h*mo florensis in a propellor hat and overalls, with a lollipop

[hardy sentinel]

on it, Microsoft paint or random transparent images over it?

[wind prairie]

whichever's easier/looks funnier

[severe yew]

could you do anything with this one? 🤔

over 3.2 million years ago, Lucy, an Australopithecus Afarensis, walked upright through east africa’s forests

• not quite ape, not quite human 😅

that hairstyle is wild 😂

[hardy sentinel]

aight how should I edit lucy? should I give her an outfit similar to one of the beatles (iykyk)

Please tell me you understand why the beatles in specific

[severe yew]

lmao, yea, why not

[hardy sentinel]

"why not" bro Lucy got her name from the song 'Lucy in the sky with diamonds' by the Beatles, which is the song the paleontologists listened to when she was first unearthed

[last adder]

But humans are apes so- 100% ape.

[severe yew]

wait, wut? oh, damn that is cool 😎

[hardy sentinel]

I know too much random knowledge about these things

I'll finish my current edit and then i'll do sum with Lucy and the Beatles. I got an idea

[wind prairie]

I want an excuse to dress a hominid like a redneck. Trucker hat, beer, the works. Idk which though, paranthropus??

also omg we have to give all of these things names

[last adder]

You already see hominids dressed like that all the time in modern day, though.

[hardy sentinel]

I got a hominid for you that dresses like a redneck

[severe yew]

i had to listen to that track 😅

my dad loved and played the Beatles on guitar (and sang)

i like that song

go for it bro, show what you can do with Lucy 🔥

[wind prairie]

you know what I mean, non sapiens lol

anyway, the ardipithecus can be named Chapman, the florensis can be Tucker, and Lucy is just Lucy
redneck paranthropus will prob be Cletus

[hardy sentinel]

I am cooking with this H. Floresiensis one btw

[wind prairie]

he's gotta reek pure child energy
"I had four biscuits then I ate one now I only have three" kinda vibe

[hardy sentinel]

better, check this out

[wind prairie]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
OH MY GOD THIS IS PERFECT
give the komodo dragon a spiky pitbull collar with a pink heart on it

[hardy sentinel]

might make it my background on my laptop lowkey, probably some of my best work

[wind prairie]

fr it's so much more detailed than I expected, but the komodo dragon being a pitbull named princess would just make it perfect

[hardy sentinel]

lemme see what I can do

[wind prairie]

don't make it look any more like a dog like giving it dog ears or dog nose or anything, just the role, the implication. The collar and nametag is enough lol

[severe yew]

i think its actually kind of fun to do this stuff 😂

[wind prairie]

absolute cinema

[last adder]

Wonderful!

[white matrix]

my bad I read it in kilometers, 17 would be nearing a full sprint for me

[hardy sentinel]

lowkey Hominids are so cool, wish we could talk about our own genus without getting the message poofed

[balmy oyster]

Can you guess which hominid species is my favorite

[hardy sentinel]

our direct ancestor?

[balmy oyster]

Yes (I think)

[last adder]

Wdym by this exactly? I have a pretty good idea, but I'm just curious.

[hardy sentinel]

Our genus name is a censored word here. Spell out the first part H___ sapiens

The message will get poofed

[ancient crystal]

Well we just saw the message go poof so

[hardy sentinel]

ima make a suggestion on the suggestions thing for it, the word censor for a word that isn't even a bad one is kinda dumb

It also hinders talks in this channel HEAVILY

[last adder]

Oh- Yeah. That's what I thought.

[stiff osprey]

not gonna lie censoring the word scientificnameofman because scientificnameofmanphobes might use it badly is a weird take lol

[last adder]

It really is lmao.

We could just say H. sapiens though.

[hardy sentinel]

also when is the last time you've seen someone being a phobe of that? In a DINOSAUR DISCORD SERVER. Plus if it really becomes an issue an admin could step in. I've literally seen nothing of the such here or anything similar to it

[last adder]

There's def some people like that in the game chats though, regretfully.

[hardy sentinel]

yeah, but that's usually in the actual game, people on discord who do that are edgy 14 year olds who will get banned in an instant for saying that crap

Plus they already bypass the filter by using 0s instead of Os

H0m0 sapiens are pretty cool, they made prehistoric planet

[last adder]

I enjoyed prehistoric planet, I just wish they made custom environments and had more diversity, but obviously budget is a thing.

I really enjoyed how they portrayed the long-necked plesiosaurs as socially oriented and quite peaceful- I've never appreciated the "agressive sea monster" trope that some people give them.

[rancid dove]

fish are smarth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2zaKVFZCu8

[hardy sentinel]

https://youtu.be/NqC3QzGmJR4?si=7iHLfywozbIzcRN3

[last adder]

Those types of pterosaurs were so peculiar- such unique animals.

[wind prairie]

tbh according to modern group living sea creatures??
they can be both

[last adder]

Long necked plesiosaurs just don't seem to be that type of animal to me, but that's just my outlook. I'm sure there were definitely some individuals and groups of them that were more agressive.

[wind prairie]

don't we have evidence that some elasmosaur preyed on a mosasaur?

[last adder]

If so I've definitely never heard of that? That sounds really interesting actually-

[severe yew]

yea, the first time that happened to me i was like wtf 😅

[wind prairie]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's a thing anyway?

[rancid dove]

croc has evolved guys https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X-JI0lXQ-HE

[stiff osprey]

It is, a pierre shale (?) elasmosaur had a mosasaur as gut contents

[last adder]

I honestly wouldn't have expected them to be capable of eating prey that large compared to them (even if the mosasaur was small)

[wind prairie]

whats its catalogue number/is there an image?

[wind prairie]

they don't need to only eat bite sized prey. When they had teeth like broken glass I'm sure plenty of other stuff was on the menu, especially if they were working together (which seems completely plausible)

[last adder]

More of, I didn't really imagine them tearing prey apart and swallowing smaller pieces like that before- but thinking about it again it seems very likely and reasonable.

[wind prairie]

I know Preplanet already did this but yeah I'd love to see more of plesiosaurs getting violent in their sociality

[wind prairie]

on the flipside... (god these watermarks suck)

[frigid delta]

is Drinker invalid?

[balmy oyster]

Yes

[compact leaf]

yeah, most of the small morrison ornithopods got set to nomen dubium status

[frigid delta]

so Drinker, Othnielia, & Othnielosaurus are now Nanosaurus?

[balmy oyster]

Nanosaurus itself might not even be nanosaurus lmao

[compact leaf]

yeah nanosaurus got nuked too, the gist of the paper was that there is definitely small ornithopods but none of them were diagnostic

[frigid delta]

why would paleontology do this?
do they hate this type of animals?

[balmy oyster]

Yes they loathe all small same-y looking neornithischians they will do anything in their power to invalidate them and burn their remains

[last adder]

Speaking of small neornithischians and their validity, which ones are considered valid? (In general, not just Morrison formation ones)

[hardy sentinel]

https://bioone.org/journals/bulletin-of-the-peabody-museum-of-natural-history/volume-66/issue-1/014.066.0102/A-Review-of-Nanosaurus-agilis-Marsh-and-Other-Small-Bodied/10.3374/014.066.0102.short

[hardy sentinel]

https://youtu.be/xQGMlfOGgQQ?si=VHt0M5MYkxYWo_BX

Opinions?

[white matrix]

was about to post that..

[hardy sentinel]

I'm curious, where on the tree of reptiles are turtles? I hear they are relatives of Plesiosaurs but I never really established where those guys fell too

[severe yew]

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2012215118#fig02

[hardy sentinel]

ah ty

[severe yew]

https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/natural-sciences/geology-and-paleontology/dinosaurs/are-turtles-dinosaurs-their-evolution-took-its-own-distinct-path/

[last adder]

Yeah, I knew about this and was trying to find a chart I had shown others in the past, but I was too late lmao.

[balmy oyster]

I didn't know they were archosauromorphs, thought they were just right outside

[severe yew]

yea, bro

[wind prairie]

that's very neat I did not know that either

[drifting condor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8krFSjA/ In arguments with someone help me out who do you think would win

[steady rock]

would it be possible for any non avian dinosaur chick to look like this?

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Zesk's Carno?

[severe yew]

even against a big male hippo bull, it could likely be a challenging fight for the hippo, though not necessarily a guaranteed win for the suchomimus

while hippos are powerful and dangerous, suchos possessed several advantages in terms of agility, weaponry (huge and sharp claws, sharp teeth, etc...), and potentially strength

i would place $5,000 on the Suchomimus any day

.
but a fight would likely be brutal, and even take a while to settle as hippo'a bite strength is nothing to be messed with

[last adder]

Because of dinosaur/archosaur anatomy in general, the dinosaur would likely have more stamina in a fight as well (because of how their respiratory systems work.)

[lavish frigate]

Dinosaurs are so freaking cool. Think of a thing that animals do and they were probably the best at it 💀 🙏

The biggest, the smallest, the longest, the most efficient, they have everything going for them

Makes you think, if a space rock can do that to them, large mammals would be absolutely cooked

[last adder]

Dinosaurs really did/continue to fill all sorts of crazy niches and are incredibly well suited to them.

[steady rock]

average hippo vs one of the smallest spinosaurids

[last adder]

But yeah- I find it pretty odd whenever people put a large mammal against a dinosaur of remotely similar size- because of how they are built, non avian dinosaurs were simply just better at being efficient at larger sizes.

[last adder]

In this scenario the hippopotamus could have a chance of brute force overpowering the dino ngl.

[steady rock]

arent spinosaurids usually the largest ( or 2nd largest ) therapods in their environments?

[lavish frigate]

I always say that if non avian dinosaurs somehow came back, the greatest danger to society wouldn’t be them messing with us, it’d be them being so incredibly efficient that they’d drive all the native fauna to extinction and eat all our crops by the millions

Man I love dinosaurs so much

[last adder]

At the same time, I'm not sure if the modern world would be lush enough to support them-

No human alive today knows how truly abundant the environment would've been just centuries ago- now just imagine the difference during a time when Earth was truly wild.

Plus, I'd imagine humans would be more of a problem to them than they'd be to us in a lot of ways (in terms of direct conflict)

[severe yew]

yes, i know bro, that is why i said i would place my bet on the Sucho

but also the sucho could not underestimate the hippo bite and those lethal teeth

have you not seen how hippos smash watermelons with their mouth as if they were eggs? 😅

[steady rock]

i mean, the average elephant dosent either when they have confrontations and their around the same size as the average sucho

[severe yew]

yea, that could also happen in certain situations

full grown bull hippos are beasts 💪

[last adder]

The main disadvantage modern megafauna would have is the lack of experience when dealing with predators around their size or larger.

[severe yew]

that makes sense

from what i have read, the ecosystems were full of life back then, much more than it is now

[severe yew]

on a bull elephant with its huge tusks vs a Sucho i would place $5,000 on the bull elephant any day

[steady rock]

did i say bull elephant...

[severe yew]

oh 😅

[tough parcel]

Have fun chat

[severe yew]

yea, they would be in shock 😂

[steady rock]

i always wondered, who IS that snake girl with the dinosuars?

[severe yew]

cool, but those must be pigmy hippos, lmao

[steady rock]

denile is a river in egypt, something hippos dont live in

do hippos live in the denile, if so this statement will be very embarassing

[tough parcel]

No those are African hippos, measured to the shoulder heights of an average and largest record hippo afaik

They likely appear a little smaller due to the head being in a lower angle but otherwise, it’s not tiny

[severe yew]

one of medusa's descendant 😆

[steady rock]

average hippo is like, 2 tons right?

[tough parcel]

No-one in particular, just a sort of self-insert

[steady rock]

your a snake girl irl?

i have 300+ hours on cassopiea in league of legends if you ever wanna hit me up freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz freakyquinnz

[warm saddle]

I keep forgeting how gigantic sucho is

[last adder]

Bruh lmao

[tough parcel]

Would probably need to sort out males and females as I believe there’s some dimorphism there

I didn’t label the heights because I didn’t feel like tracking down the average and largest for both sexes

[steady rock]

but, i do have a question, are spinosaurids usually the largest therapods in their enviorments?

[tough parcel]

I mean you could say that but the sample size is like…two that you could definitively say that for (Bary and Sucho)

[steady rock]

american spinosaurid that was 6 tons and lived in dinosaur park formation save us

[tough parcel]

Shout out to the Naish tweet saying he and a team were publishing a paper on North American spinosaur teeth but gave up

[severe yew]

taking a closer look, this looks like they used a smaller size hippo and picked a bigger size suchomimus

take a look at this, you can clearly see that bigger bull hippos are definitely much bigger (and thus dangerous)

[steady rock]

also follow me back on twitter 🥰

[severe yew]

from what i remember, the biggest extinct specimens can weigh up to 4.5 tons

[steady rock]

mind you, the largest hippo in that image is extinct

[tough parcel]

The modern hippo is H. amphibius

H. gorgops is extinct and the largest hippo on the chart

The 2nd smallest hippo is the one relevant to any discussion about Jurassic World

[steady rock]

also, since when was protoceratops that big?? 😭 it lowkey wants udanoceratops nachos

no...im pretty sure im right

[tough parcel]

Bro has a pocket population of H. gorgops on their private animal reserve on an island off the coast of Costa Rica

And @steady rock I believe I scaled it off of a skull but I can’t remember which paper described it

[severe yew]

oh, i couldn't see the name since it was too blury 😅

[tough parcel]

That artist often reconstructs extinct mammals using photo manips of modern animals hence why it’s best to make sure you’re getting what you want

It’s admirable work but it gets messy with things like that

[severe yew]

but either way, Suchomimus is extinct too, so we can compare it to H. Gorgops instead to make it more fair

[tough parcel]

Fortunately, that’s not what Jurassic World did

It pinned Sucho against the modern hippo so that’s what all discussions should use

[steady rock]

the hippotamus in the afterlife questioning how it lost to the 5 ton therapod:

[severe yew]

the discussion can be whatever we want it to be about, bro 😆

[steady rock]

how to derail a conversation:

[last adder]

I don't really think a hippopotamus would've kept fighting something so large, even at the size it was shown in the cartoon- however, I'm not sure how well it would be able to escape either..

[steady rock]

i mean, if you believe sucho is a wader instead of a swimmer, hippos move suprisingly fast in water so i think it could very much retreat to deeper waters if it wished too

[severe yew]

a Hippopotamus Gorgops vs a Suchomimus would be a more fair fight

[steady rock]

would it be though...

[last adder]

Yeah, that's true. I'm just not entirely sure of the aquatic capabilities of suchomimus so it's hard to judge.

[frigid delta]

what are the possibility for a prey-predator pursuit between Suchomimus vs Nigersaurus?
would Sucho even have the bravery to prey Niger?

[steady rock]

??? what bravery is needed 😭 nigersaurus whole strategy was too breed extremely fast and just survive through the sheer abundance of you

[last adder]

Is sucho known to prey on animals around its general size range?

[last adder]

I think any animal could be potentially intimidated to some extent when faced with a herd of large herbivores- they were the second most abundant dinosaur in that area iirc. I also wouldn't entirely count them out in terms of self defense- even if it's likely that a big sucho could overpower one.

The jaws of suchomimus seem more adept to grabbing animals significantly smaller than it to be fair.

[frigid delta]

interesting answer

[celest kiln]

Am I the only one who just read this new article stating they found some solid proof herbivores may have mixed herds to defend off against common predators. This is amazing for so many reasons.

[hardy sentinel]

The Hippopotamus when the Suchomimus lowkey guts it in one slash begins eating it alive (it never stood a chance)

[hardy sentinel]

The 5 Styracosaurus, 2 Albertosaurines, and one possible Ankylosaur?

Btw do not use this as a reliable source for this conversation, people will genuinely laugh at you

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2025/july/dinosaur-footprints-are-first-evidence-of-mixed-species-herding.html

Instead of saying Ankylosaur and Tyrannosaurid, they straight up say "Tyrannosaurus Rex" and "Ankylosaurus"... In a study from the dinosaur park formation

[celest kiln]

Yes, I guess I was alerted to a newer post cause this one is a bit older but nonetheless I find this extremely interesting

[hardy sentinel]

This one summarizes it better

https://www.sci.news/paleontology/multispecies-dinosaur-herd-footprints-14097.html

[celest kiln]

Thank you so much

[severe yew]

see bro, like i was saying earlier...

it all depends on what specimen size is cherry picked when discussing who would win

on this one, sucho doesn't look as big and so a hippo, especially a h. gorgops would definitely be more of a challenge

[frigid delta]

lesson #1: DO NOT ever use Prehistoric Wildlife for size comparison
just don't
use anything but Prehistoric Wildlife

[sick gull]

why not?

[opaque kayak]

Their stuff is unironically 20 years old

[severe yew]

by the way, this one is h. gorgops

[last adder]

Off-topic and sorry to bother you, but may I ask what the dinosaur in your pfp is?

[opaque kayak]

I remember seeing it in the andromeda galaxy

[severe yew]

i am sure there were suchomimus dinos of this size back then (just as there were bigger ones), so i don't see why not

[frigid delta]

not a credible source
they're bad, no gray area
never gets anything right

[opaque kayak]

Bahariasaurus

[sick gull]

ahh. will remember for future use

[last adder]

Oh alright! I had a hard time telling because of how drastically portrayals of that genus can vary.

[frigid delta]

i'm not mentioned to be rude or whatsoever but no matter ur excuses
NEVER EVER use Prehistoric Wildlife size comp in case of dino size
https://discordapp.com/channels/537375400867659875/542776901442338816/1399632289637470259

[severe yew]

bro, what are you talking about

i looked up that website and they have several professionals

[undone rapids]

They mean in regards to the size charts, they're pretty outdated.
Use Scott Hartman or Dan folkes' Sucho, those are very nice

[frigid delta]

@severe yew back in my day bait used to be believable

[last adder]

To be entirely honest I don't think sea dragon is trying to bait anyone.. just curious and trying to find information.

[severe yew]

yea bro, i get that, scott harman's skeletals are not bad and free

all i am saying is that there were smaller suchos, mid, and big suchos, just as there are people who are 1.6, 1.8, even 2 meters tall

so whenever comparing sizes of animals to discuss who would win a fight, the likely winner can depend on what specimen sizes were used

[last adder]

However- and this is just my opinion- I do think the way people talk about things here could be slightly more constructive than argumentative- on all sides.

[severe yew]

[tough parcel]

Unfortunately for them, we have one Suchomimus specimen

Maybe two but overall, you’re not getting this big range unless you go hypothetical which is kinda dumb because at that point anywhere from the Suchomimus I posted to 3 inches long is fair game

[severe yew]

you are correct, bro

i honestly don't try to rage bait anyone or argue

i believe that for a real debate there has to be a counterbalance of opinions, not just everyone always agreeing with others because they might be afraid to speak up

[opaque kayak]

I love my dinosaurs went to space and are now returning as aliens theory 🔥

[severe yew]

on the theory that i know, some never left Earth (but others did go to other places), but cannot comment any further because mods have said so

[last adder]

I wasn't around when that happened, but even still, it's just an outlandish hypothetical situation- not exactly ragebait?

Some people just like to think of things in different ways and that doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to make others angry.

[severe yew]

when scientist (by the way, i am an actual scientist) always conform to the norm, science in general never advances

[opaque kayak]

tbh at that point I think those theory’s aren’t a minority theory, but a conspiracy theory

[last adder]

Even if something is a conspiracy theory it doesn't just exist to make others upset.

[severe yew]

people always push back what is uncomfortable, unfamiliar to them, its how human nature is

[undone rapids]

Conspiracy I think implies someone is trying to hide the truth.... Big Paleo doesn't want us to know about Dinosaurs on Mars

[sick gull]

that was a rick and morty episode

[opaque kayak]

Earth is flat

[severe yew]

in science, to find the truth, you must be willing to explore all questions, even the uncomfortable ones, bro

[undone rapids]

So True

[severe yew]

no, that has been proven wrong long ago

[opaque kayak]

Meanwhile the horizon:

[opaque kayak]

in science, to find the truth, you must be willing to explore all questions, even the uncomfortable ones, bro

[last adder]

If anything here is actually ragebait, that's it.

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but there's a difference between picking up dog poop uncomfortable and creepy uncle at the family reunion uncomfortable

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-moon-universe-round-spinning-gif-16615158

[hardy sentinel]

Confirmation bias son or conspiracy theorist daughter

[opaque kayak]

Looks pretty 2d on my screen

[pure grove]

Are hippos really that small

[last adder]

Why uh- why are we doing this?

[hardy sentinel]

The lizard overlords are gonna take away our xbox if we didn't spread lies

[severe yew]

the earth being flat was proven wrong long ago

here, you are clearly trying to make fun of me

also, this is out of topic

if it continues, i'll have to call a mod, bro

[plush fossil]

I think they're rage baiting you

[last adder]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the insight.

[hardy sentinel]

You believe in earth?

[tulip dove]

They're not really tall animals, just wide and hefty ones

[severe yew]

that's what i said, lol 😅

[severe yew]

not sure what you mean, bro 😅

but i don't wanna upset the mods if i comment

[hardy sentinel]

Hippos ain't gonna look so small when they get out of the water and start sprinting at you at 30 miles an hour

[hardy sentinel]

The earth doesn't exist, we live in a simulation

[last adder]

He's got that somethin' somethin'

(If that is a he)

[plush fossil]

We're actually just dinosaurs wearing vr headsets playing a simulation rn

[hardy sentinel]

I think Motor vehicle likes you

[hardy sentinel]

Dinosaurs playing as humans playing as dinosaurs

[severe yew]

birds are dinosaurs, not humans 😅

[hardy sentinel]

Says who

[plush fossil]

How could you say that when I'm literally right here I am a dinosaur

[last adder]

No guys- hear me out..

We're all just little mice forced to run the wheel by society and corporate greed..

[severe yew]

well, of course, based on what some scientific papers say, wich changes all the time throughout history 😅

[hardy sentinel]

Big science wants you to believe that

We're literally dinosaurs

[last adder]

Everyone's a dinosaur down on the good ol' "Earth"

[severe yew]

science changes all the time, that i know

[opaque kayak]

Barbaricus, 1000 bc -(earth flat)

[last adder]

Alright bruh I'll stop now lmfao.

[severe yew]

often, what is said to be right today, later is said to be wrong or incomplete, and it goes on and on

but we have to settle with what we know (or at least what we think we know)

[opaque kayak]

I’m glad dinosaurs are depicted with more soft tissue+ fat nowadays, not the shrinkwrapped ones from jurassic park

[severe yew]

i would be afraid of the one with the stego and ankilo tail, fr 😬

[hardy sentinel]

Can we sacrifice Pectinodon? I want Saurophaganax back

[frigid delta]

sacrifice both of them, i want Agathaumas back

[last adder]

I'm a little confused about the saurophaganax situation- was it moved from being though of as it's own genus to a species of allosaurus?

[thorn grove]

Sea Dragon doesn't rage bait on purpose he's just the king of motte and baileys

[opaque kayak]

I want to sacrifice goliath for a second bahariasaurus specimen

[undone rapids]

The bones referred to it were a mix of theropod and sauropod bones, so they referred the sauropod bones to some sauropod and the theropod ones to Allosaurus since they were very similar. One vertebrae is in limbo iirc, on if its theropod or sauropod.

[last adder]

Oh, alright. That explains it.

Any idea of what the sauropod was specifically?

[undone rapids]

Diplodicus iirc

[frigid delta]

sacrifice both for Monoclonius

Creosaurus return when?

[severe yew]

lmao, no bro, is just that i don't wanna spend 10 hours typing all the details all at once (i also have a busy life, bro 😂 )

[wind prairie]

nanotyrannus lancensis

[scenic flame]

AH yes I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to back up alien dinosaurs, we understand! you're just not in the mood is all.

[frigid delta]

Manospondylus & Dynamosaurus>

[wind prairie]

I literally have one in my backyard that eats my bird seed every day. You just gotta have an open mind kid

[severe yew]

i even have kids (little ones) who i play with every day and i love it 🥳

[thorn grove]

i dont care

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-drama-when-i-smell-it-maurice-sistas-i-can-smell-drama-im-smelling-drama-gif-19693738

[wind prairie]

troodon formosus

[frigid delta]

Vectisaurus

[wind prairie]

dakotaraptor steini.... trachodon!?!?

[severe yew]

when my kids are not trying to climb me and i have more time, it is when i can show more evidence, bro

[frigid delta]

Anatotitan

[wind prairie]

seismosaurus, seismosaurus..... epanterias now, and tyrannosaurus regina!!!

[frigid delta]

ok stop i'm afraid i'll rupture my stomach again bcuz of my own laugh

[wind prairie]

first we dinheiro, then we saurus... lets dinheirosaurus!!!

[severe yew]

also, you would be surprised what i have seen (was in the military) 🇺🇲 🫡

[scenic flame]

uhuh

[wind prairie]

sounds like a lot of ugrunaaluk to me pal

[severe yew]

Spino, my beloved 😍

[thorn grove]

why does this require that you actively belittle and demean people who disagree with you then

we can take this in dms since it's off topic

[wind prairie]

sigilmassasaurus... cut it out before I agathaumas all over you

[severe yew]

have no reason to lie, bro

if you want, you can dm me and you can ask me questions that might not be allowed here

[severe yew]

oh, my bad bro

i did not mean to do any of that, sorry if i did

[sharp dragon]

Ah yes, the design that everyone hates for some reason.
I mean that picture does look funky but that's not the model.

[severe yew]

[severe yew]

i think its the long legs 😢

[wind prairie]

I'm convinced sea dragon is the most professional, inconspicuous, and cunning ragebaiter lol

[severe yew]

no bro, i don't do that, i just want to be a friend

[wind prairie]

the big red X you react to many things with is a giveaway, you want to be as dismissive as possible

[severe yew]

i don't do that to offend anyone, i swear

i just can't reply to every single message

[wind prairie]

you have an AI pfp and seem to try and activate conversations on the most controversial things possible. I'm unconvinced to say the least

[severe yew]

what would my pfp have to do with anything? 😭

[thorn grove]

he's incredibly rude in a passive aggressive kind of way yea

[wind prairie]

there you go being dismissive again
obv you want people to get mad at your pfp being AI lol
I see through you..

[severe yew]

aren't controversial conversations fun to you?

[thorn grove]

not when the other participant is a brick wall

[wind prairie]

howdy-doo, look at that folks. I got him to admit it 🥀 I don't believe it

[severe yew]

i don't realize, i am sorry 😐

[severe yew]

i am open minded, bro

[wind prairie]

open minded =/= advocating for things that have been disproven

that's called carelessness, or you're just trying to start a fight

[thorn grove]

can you file a complaint about a certain user with the mods

[severe yew]

admit what? all i said is that controversial conversations are fun

[hardy sentinel]

Are we still rage baiting or is sea being not based

[balmy oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152430689237606482/1281061439808868372/speed.gif

[last adder]

[hardy sentinel]

Those who know

[severe yew]

but in the rules of this chat, it doesn't say that certain topics are not allowed as long as they are paleo related

[wind prairie]

you go out of your way to start things like that in a very unhealthy way though

[hardy sentinel]

Guys, sea dragon is actually raging Triceratops on an alt

The little side squiggles are Triceratops and both have an ai slop pfp

[severe yew]

damn, i didn't know that the way i chat stirred bad emotions 😢

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-fred-jones-unmasking-mask-original-gif-15500596655549659645

[severe yew]

@fluid inlet
bro, lmao 🤣 😂

[hardy sentinel]

Literally Triceratops

[wary fable]

Is that a dino nugget

[wind prairie]

if you had a theory channel I'd subscribe to it

bro cracked the code effortlessly

[severe yew]

sorry for the ping, bro

i just thought that was hilarious 😂

[thorn grove]

wait

rumble is always agreeing with sea dragon no matter what

and they're both dismissive in this "ok little bro" kind of way dragon just does it way more

[warm saddle]

Which species of Inostrancevia is the biggest? N what are it's estimate

[wind prairie]

either they're synonymous or working together

only issue with this theory is that even RJ is significantly nicer and easier to talk to

[severe yew]

bro, omg

[thorn grove]

you just don't believe it cuz you don't have an open mind little bro

sometimes people just won't believe things that make them uncomfortable, as if by instinct

[severe yew]

damn, that hurt 😢

[warm saddle]

Is it latifrons? N the estimate

[hardy sentinel]

Also the name Sea Dragon rearranges to "Agnos dare" which means "To give Lambs" in Latin

What are lambs for? Sacrifice. What are alts for? Sacrificing so you win argument

Sea Dragon is Raging Triceratops, get bro outta here

[wind prairie]

an "ok little bro" way, you say!?!?

[severe yew]

lmao, you are truly something, bro 🤣

[opaque kayak]

Earth. Is. Flat.

[wind prairie]

I'm eating my tinfoil hat, RJ is an evil mastermind with two separate personalities

[hardy sentinel]

Get on your main account rumble

[severe yew]

where is the "little" part 🤔

[hardy sentinel]

It's so tiny you can't see it

[thorn grove]

your height

we all know rumble is 5'2

[severe yew]

rumble is just cool and courageous 🫡

[hardy sentinel]

Rumble did have Prorsus as his pfp before the slop, famously the smaller species of the two Triceratops

[wind prairie]

COMPLIMENTING HIM???
you are NOT helping your cases homie

(mods please we're just having fun)

[unborn bane]

Please keep all conversations in this channel on topic. This channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology.

[thorn grove]

:)

[warm saddle]

Oh n is inostrancevia thebiggest gorgonopsid?

[opaque kayak]

god

[warm saddle]

Size estimate, (is a 3,5m n 300 kilo I.latifrons accurate?)

[hardy sentinel]

Dang we're getting purged

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/usagyuuun-fire-chaos-gif-4682365016896994860

[unborn bane]

As I have mentioned before, please keep this channel on topic as per our rules.

[hardy sentinel]

Japanese troodontids, huh?

[severe yew]

sorry, they don't listen 😭

[last adder]

Oh god, I found the context behind this.
Why..

[opaque kayak]

Bornean tiger.

[hardy sentinel]

Spinosaurus

[frigid delta]

Labrosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

Maybe a Nanotyrannus

[last adder]

Idk guys I think it's a rodent.

[hardy sentinel]

It's a tick

[last adder]

Possibly some sort of protist?

[warm saddle]

Nah taht's drinker

[balmy oyster]

Gremlin

[humble anchor]

Meraxes Gigas

[sudden wind]

Yomamasaura

[halcyon cobalt]

yunannosaurus

[tough parcel]

https://vxtwitter.com/AppleTV/status/1950194660363948332?t=__mQhulIN8xbc-7_FjAajw&s=19

Apple TV (@AppleTV)

From towering giants to baby sloths, it doesn’t get cooler than this.

#PrehistoricPlanet: Ice Age — Streaming November 26 https://t.co/DTQffDt0iZ

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 29, 2025, 2:00 PM

[open compass]

WOOO

[ancient crystal]

I was just watching a video about every permafrost mummy ever found, this is sick

[ashen wedge]

Oooo this should be an easier thing for them to replicate the Ice Age animals, since we have more experience with them than the still unknown behaviors of dinosaurs

[ancient crystal]

I wonder if we'll see early humans

[lost moon]

NO WAY thats so cool. I love getting more Cenozoic representation and it’ll actually be good this time

[full lagoon]

I wasn't expecting them to make more Prehistoric Planet but I'm glad they are

[open compass]

[lavish frigate]

Low key ive never really been into mammals as much as I’ve been into dinosaurs so I’m kinda sad this isn’t a Jurassic or Triassic season. Still really sick though

[proper panther]

Apparently TOM HIDDLESTON is narrating

[white matrix]

why is the body so big💔

[last adder]

Additionally, the environments they'll be placed in will be much more believable.

[ancient crystal]

I know it won't happen but it would be so funny if he did the whole thing in the Loki voice

[severe yew]

i use a replica smilodon tooth as a back scratcher, the best i have ever owned, let me tell you 😆

[severe yew]

yea, mammals are not as popular as dinos, but trust me bro, they hold on to their if you take the time to take a careful look at them

[severe yew]

wait, wut?

oh damn, this is sick 🔥

[timid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/romiksim-t2x2-full-gif-8501329115832842012

[severe yew]

probably fake? 🤷‍♂️

[timid delta]

New prehistoric planet ice age series teaser

[light osprey]

And the environments they were placed in before weren’t?

[steady rock]

I want your honest opinions on each

1 - finding a american spinosaurid

2 - finding a american abelisaurid

3 - finding a american Megaraptoridae

[orchid thunder]

So I saw this on Facebook yesterday though I’d share

:A remarkable fossil discovery in Germany has unveiled exceptionally preserved soft tissues and skin structures of Plesiopterys wildi, a marine reptile believed to have lived around 183 million years ago during the Jurassic period. The fossil was found in the Posidonia Shale, a well-known site for its high-quality fossil preservation. What sets this specimen apart is the rare and detailed preservation of its delicate skin, offering scientists unprecedented insights into the biology of ancient marine reptiles.

The fossil includes smooth skin along the tail and small, detailed scales on the flippers, indicating advanced adaptation for aquatic life. Even more astonishing is the presence of microscopic features such as melanosomes (pigment-containing structures) and keratin layers, which are typically found in living animals. These findings provide scientists with valuable data on the coloration, texture, and possible functions of skin in extinct marine reptiles information that is almost never preserved in fossils of this age.

This discovery not only deepens our understanding of Jurassic marine ecosystems but also challenges assumptions about fossilization processes. The preservation of such fine organic materials suggests rapid burial and an anoxic (oxygen-poor) environment, preventing decay and allowing delicate structures to survive for millions of years. It’s a rare glimpse into the distant past, capturing biological features that usually vanish soon after death.

[severe yew]

1 could happen someday, since back then, africa was connected to america

[severe yew]

at least much closer, specially to Brasil

[steady rock]

anyone have a accurate meg sizing?

[severe yew]

but for some unknown @stiff osprey reason, we don't seem ro have many Brasil fossils 😭

[severe yew]

that's cool

how big was it?

and, do you have more info, pics about it?

[orchid thunder]

Unfortunately that was the only info & picture there was about it on facebook

[light osprey]

Period specifically known to record polar ice, specifies that there is no polar ice

Fascinating

[last adder]

To be entirely fair, there would have been many different kinds of sedentary organisms that dont exist today, such as specific kinds of plants and marine life. It wasn't bad, but you could tell they weren't making the environments entirely custom to really sell the time period.

[severe yew]

but as with everything science related, some say one thing, and others will say another

and so the debate continues... 😅

[stiff osprey]

"some people" being peer reviewed research and "others" being Google AI

[light osprey]

Curious

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08120099.2019.1590457

[last adder]

But as I've stated before, that's understandable if you have a budget- and if the people working on the show had more knowledge/focus towards the dinosaurs and other life.

[severe yew]

even peer reviewed knowledge fails sometimes

when people thought the Earth was flat, that was peer reviewed by almost every scientist back then 😅

[stiff osprey]

ah yes the ancient greek peer review process, i'm familiar

[severe yew]

there several papers that say "yes, there was ice", and then also several papers that say "no, there was no ice"

so...

[last adder]

I've heard of this before! It's really neat.

[light osprey]

The paper in question being glacial tillite and boulders

we eagerly await the peer reviewed rebuttal

[severe yew]

what i am saying is that human error will most likely always plague scientific discoveries

and so there is always space for errors

[stiff osprey]

I'm sure they exist, just like the several papers that say T.rex ran 35 mph or that there were aliens during the Maastricthian

[severe yew]

lol, could you look them up yourself, bro? 🙏 a little busy right now 😅

[light osprey]

Whose to say there weren’t maas andromedans

[tough parcel]

I think there’s a point at which “questioning everything for a good reason” becomes “questioning everything because why not hyuck”

[severe yew]

there are things that some people don't realize, and also things that are not disclosed to everyone

[stiff osprey]

ooh, the illuminati are keeping the evidence of the iceless cretaceous from us

[severe yew]

you can believe what you want, if that is what you wish 🤷‍♂️

[tough parcel]

Perhaps when Random is hired by the Big Paleo, he can reveal the secret?

[light osprey]

Big paleo’s ploy to make us think ice evolved before the ice age

[hardy sentinel]

How are we gonna overlook the fact that hummingbirds filled the niche of a pollinating insect and we're just fine with that

[stiff osprey]

Hummingbirds are bad spec evo, a theropod would never turn into a bee. These authors need to touch ferns

[severe yew]

if you want to believe that, go ahead 😅

but i think this is out of topic here

[stiff osprey]

There was also a theropod that turned into a cricket

https://vxtwitter.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1948583799014785256

Brian Roemmele (@BrianRoemmele)

The club winged manakin does not sing. Instead it creates a pure tone by rubbing two feathers together up to 100 times per second.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 25, 2025, 3:19 AM

[light osprey]

Plausible speculation for the tyrant lizard perhaps

[hardy sentinel]

Birds try not to become bugs challenge: Impossible

[severe yew]

plausible, possible, credible, reasonable, likely, believable, conceivable, convincing, logical, rational

all these are words that imply a certain degree of uncertainty

[tough parcel]

Perhaps evidence that the Edmontosaurus evolved a rise in hormonal levels during specific parts of the year, usually revolving around mating and fighting off rivals?

After all, there are weirder things with birds!

[hardy sentinel]

Oh my god hummingbirds evolved similar to bugs, bugs are crustaceans, crustaceans like to turn into crabs

Hummingbirds are turning into crabs, crab is the final form

[compact leaf]

implying that random isn’t already in the pocket of big paleo

[severe yew]

i am a scientist myself, bro 🍻

[hardy sentinel]

Sure thing, Rumble

[tough parcel]

When I asked them, they said no so like I believe it

[balmy oyster]

Carcinization process

[stiff osprey]

they paid me 80 dollars to tell people mamenchisaurs are real

[kindred night]

Big paleo is using peer review to keep my paper in constant revision

[last adder]

Psittacines are practically theropod monkeys/primates.

They are mainly arboreal and great at climbing, social, eat fruits alongside a diverse diet, and are quite good at manipulating objects.

[balmy oyster]

No doesn’t always mean no…it could potentially mean yes, you never really know…😅

[light osprey]

80 dollars to betray your values of honesty

[compact leaf]

I knew it

[wary junco]

no that was me because I can't let you catch up to my paper count

[tough parcel]

Why would you do this? That's not very nice

[wary junco]

sorry PD I am reviewer 1, 2 AND 3

[kindred night]

Beacause Okeanos is not a nice man. When we refer to him as a skinner we don't mean like a texture artist. He litterally flays people who don't agree with big paleo.

[balmy oyster]

This is why there are 3 torosaurus species, there should be two probably just one however I am self proclaimed and I just made it up on the spot. I could be right tho…scientists cannot disprove!!

[tough parcel]

Wow, I want that job

Can I work under Okeanos as an intern?

[light osprey]

Because the Parrot evolves before the Monkey, the Monkey would be a mammalian Parrot

[hardy sentinel]

Y'all know that soon (few weeks)this paleontology chat is gonna be full of peeps asking "how plausible is this"

PK is releasing breeding and courtship animations, some of which being references and actual theories

[severe yew]

i have 2 phD, lots of years in school 😓

and i still learn more everyday

learning is good ✅

[stiff osprey]

No way they animated Psittacosaurus waving cloaca display

[last adder]

I'm not exactly sure when birds like parrots came around first, but to my knowledge there are none from the Mesozoic.

[balmy oyster]

I think we had parrot like birds in the Mesozoic

[light osprey]

The monkey did not evolve in the Mesozoic either, it’s a matter of when in the Eocene each clade emerges

[last adder]

I'd love to hear about them! I've never really seen anything covering such a topic.

[balmy oyster]

Monkey see monkey do, except monkey did not exist so it couldn’t do anything

[last adder]

That was my reasoning behind mentioning that lmao.

[hardy sentinel]

I think they also got an all yesterdays reference

[kindred night]

It depends on whether the dentary from Lance Creek is a parrot or caenegnathid oviraptorisaur. It also depends on what you consider a "monkey" and what you consider a "parrot"

[light osprey]

Could be neither of those things

[hardy sentinel]

Parrots are an actual group, Monkeys are not

[stiff osprey]

Primates are early paleocene at least

[light osprey]

Thee is a new world and old world monkey clade, they’re both younger than the oldest Pssitacine

[kindred night]

Monkeys are a group if you aren't a coward. Monkeys can just be a common term for Simiiformes or Haplorhini if you're being spicy.

[wary junco]

I think for parrots he's saying like, are we counting all Psittaciformes, only Psittacoidea etc.

[last adder]

Then that explains it I guess- the parrot came before the monkey.

[light osprey]

The Mammalia desperately trails behind the avian cunning

[balmy oyster]

Wasn’t there a pterosaur with monkey like hands

[hardy sentinel]

Monkey is an informal term referencing a Simian that isn't an Ape

I hate it too but those are the rules

[stiff osprey]

And reptile is an informal term referencing a sauropsid that isn't a bird, but we've coopted that into birds being reptiles

We can make apes become monke

[last adder]

Can we make everyone become monke?

[jagged trellis]

monke is monke

[light osprey]

Yeah i think as someone previously said, Monkey has been co-opted as a common term for Simiiformes

[kindred night]

Maybe if you're a closed minded anthropologist. I the humble paleontologist think it's perfectly acceptable to call an ape a monkey as it reflects their evolutionary history.

[hardy sentinel]

I agree with you, I'm just saying in common lingo that Parrots are an actual group and Monkeys aren't

[stiff osprey]

Actually yes. If we consider sea monkeys as being real monkeys, then almost all animals are monke

[last adder]

Brine Shrimp = Monkey? It makes perfect sense!

[hardy sentinel]

A goated dude actually did a video similar to this lemme find it

https://youtu.be/blBIxdXCbbk?si=j3gGXvUB-sVhtwRr

I'ma say it, I am coming full circle

We should respect polyphyletic groups

[last adder]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-monkey-swim-hang-out-gif-20161612

[stiff osprey]

I don't respect polyphyletic groups but at least they're a lot better than paraphyletic ones

[light osprey]

The Brine Shrimp

[hardy sentinel]

I think we should respect both in all honesty

They're useful for common lingo and outdated I will admit, but fish, monkey (which is being challenged) and stuff like that are descriptive terms

Sure in the Paleontology world it's fun to say we're fish, but I don't see it actually being useful statements as fish is not a monophyletic group

The dude in the video I sent goes over it better

[stiff osprey]

We still haven't managed to get schools to undo the whole "five classes of vertebrate" thing. It does not need any more support

Also fish can be monophyletic if you restrict it to Actinopterygii, making sharks not fish, which i think is funny as hell

[hardy sentinel]

Agreed

Sharks don't give off fish vibes imo

[hardy sentinel]

Just looked up the five classes of vertebrates and ew, it's a linnaean term

[stiff osprey]

Whenever i read about the ocean as a kid books would say things like "fish and sharks" or "sharks, fish and other animals" so i always thought sharks were a different thing

[hardy sentinel]

I also feel like bones or having a boney ancestor should be a qualification to be a fish

[stiff osprey]

It's heavily reliant on paraphyletic groups and still damages people's view of evolution to this day. Of course birds aren't dinosaurs, because dinosaurs are reptiles and birds aren't, a reptile can't turn into a bird

[light osprey]

Fish clade if it made sense

[hardy sentinel]

Agreed, we gotta find a way to teach evolution in a classroom without AiG coming in and thinking a high school science teacher knows everything about everything and easily making everyone think that Utahraptor was a bird 💀

Was having coffee with my grandma the other day and that video got to her too and she was telling me "Velociraptor was a bird"

The misinformation and confirmation bias of those guys is actually insane

[stiff osprey]

I like it when they say that stuff like bacterial evolution and dog breeds are "microevolution", which is real, but a nonavian theropod becoming a bird is "macroevolution", which is not real

[hardy sentinel]

I wonder what they think of Gallimimus

Very birdlike yet very dinosaur

[last adder]

If they call utahraptor a bird I dont see why they wouldn't do the same for Gallimimus and other Ornithomimosaurs.

[steady rock]

thoughts? https://x.com/AppleTV/status/1950194660363948332

Apple TV (@AppleTV)

From towering giants to baby sloths, it doesn’t get cooler than this.

#PrehistoricPlanet: Ice Age — Streaming November 26

X · Jul 29, 2025, 2:00 PM

[hardy sentinel]

They're gonna keep going until all theropods are birds

I'm calling it right now, AiG is gonna use the reddit theory that Rex was a bird

[light osprey]

There are for sure a slew of much more avian esque features in Utahraptor than Ornithomimus

[hardy sentinel]

Ornithomimus is more bird like in my opinion

[stiff osprey]

Is that the one where people put rex's scapula backwards and call it a chicken wing

[steady rock]

do you guys think we'll get a prehestoric planet focusing on before the dinosaurs?

[hardy sentinel]

I think, but I also saw another where they just saw tiny Rex arms and tiny ratite wings and said "That"

[light osprey]

It’s not really a matter of opinion though, the closer to Paraves a Maniraptoran is, the more it’s gonna share traits with birds

[autumn nexus]

only superficially

[hardy sentinel]

Basically all AiG goes off of

Also peak pfp, goated show

[hardy sentinel]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS LIFE ON OUR PLANET HOLYSHTHOLYSHTHOLYSHT

[steady rock]

prehestoric planet: monsters....

[last adder]

I didn't really enjoy life on our planet at all..

[hardy sentinel]

okay nevermind I dunno why I thought it was the same series

[steady rock]

do you think we'll see any modern megafauna in the show?

[hardy sentinel]

I hope so, I wanna see caribou next to wooly mammoths

[last adder]

Anyone know what those cats are from the prehistoric planet teaser? For some reason I cant quite determine.

[autumn nexus]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[autumn nexus]

probably homotherium

[tough parcel]

Brown one is refered to as saber tooth, while white ones are scimitar cats.

[hardy sentinel]

Maybe we'll get something similar to this in some scenes.

Did modern tigers ever live with Machairodonts?

omg i'm dying of cuteness

[steady rock]

what species do y'all think it is?

[last adder]

Gotta love the xenarthrans.

[hardy sentinel]

Nothrotheriops maybe, I don't think absolute giants of ground sloths would climb mountains and the skull seems to match up

[severe yew]

that's right bro, courage 💪

[hardy sentinel]

guys apparently we're getting Mammoths and dwarf Palaeoloxodon according to this one dude

https://youtu.be/_zxOG2RnPFc?si=Y4ICxaZpJSNGdIM7

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-gif-25269017

[last adder]

I love how sloth feet are just built to be curled up and how they walk on the sides of them.

[hardy sentinel]

This means there is a chance for DEMON SWAN

[last adder]

Were they really that small..?

[hardy sentinel]

the image prolly shows a female

[wary junco]

I think it's only been confirmed as dwarf elephants so far, no? Remember we also have some dwarf species of Stegodon in Indonesia and there's a lot of interesting biota around Flores for example

[steady rock]

could megalania reproduce asexually like modern day komado dragons?

[hardy sentinel]

The video is saying dwarf elephants and mammoths and the most popular one is Palaeoloxodon, idk where he got the info but that's what I was told

@steady rock probably, Komodo dragons can

[severe yew]

this tiny, fr ? 😮

[last adder]

This is so interesting and absurd- tiny little elephants! Seems like something out of fiction.

Yet again- real biology does have its own ways of seeming stranger than fiction to us humans.

[hardy sentinel]

I really hope they go with Palaeoloxodon falconeri because dwarf Stegodon just doesn't hit the same

I would be open to seeing it if they added H. Floresiensis to it's screentime though

[wary junco]

Yeah even in the video Conor is speculating it'll be P. falconeri, it could be (they're definitely the most famous) but it's not confirmed as Paleoloxodon is all I was saying

[severe yew]

ouch, i just hit my little right toe on the chair... damn it 😭

[hardy sentinel]

I'm fine with either dwarf elephant, mostly because of the stuff that lived with it could be shown

[wary junco]

Yeah whichever they choose will be interesting, giant swan and other mediterranean fauna will be cool but the Flores ecosystem would be great as well

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-elephant-running-away-cute-gif-24680637

it would be funny to see an elephant this size with tusks, lmao 😂

[last adder]

I have a feeling we're gonna get more interactive environments in this Cenozoic based prehistoric planet- mostly because things from said time periods are much more well known.

[severe yew]

that would be cool 😎

[hardy sentinel]

fr, we need some H. floresiensis representation if they go with Stegodon

unfortune news chat, Attenborough is not gonna do Prehistoric Planet Ice Age, good news is we're getting Tom Hiddleston

[severe yew]

i wanna see woolly rhinos, elasmotherium in the upcoming prehistoric planet ice age 🥹

[last adder]

The animals look SO GOOD based on the teaser snapshots.

[severe yew]

do you think it will show only in appleTV, bro?

or somewhere else too?

i don't have appleTV 😭

[wary junco]

previous seasons were an apple exclusive, so I don't see this one being any different sadly

the BBC NHU was involved in all three seasons iirc so it's a shame they never broadcast it on BBC itself, feels like they missed a trick

[civic fiber]

please i want livyatan
please i want livyatan
please i want livyatan

[severe yew]

why? 😢

the i'll have to see if i can get appleTV service, but as with everything apple it sounds expensive

[hardy sentinel]

AppleTV lets you do a week long trial, just make a burner email, screen record all the episodes and boom, done

[severe yew]

do you think the would release all the episodes at once ?

[wary junco]

we don't know the full scope yet but it appears to be pleistocene only, and since Livyatan is pliocene it seems unlikely

[hardy sentinel]

I dunno, but if they didn't just wait until they did and then screen record

[steady rock]

was livy around during the ice age??

[wary junco]

they usually release them one a day over a week (Monday to Friday)

[stiff osprey]

megalodon was around in the pleistocene, livyatan was not

[hardy sentinel]

I mean Velociraptor wasn't Maastrichthian but they added it to PP

Plus isn't there two episode names confirmed? Big Melt and Big Freeze? I think there will be confirmed time jumping in PPIA

[severe yew]

okay, i'll prepare a solution

thanks bro

[steady rock]

so theres a good chance that meg could show up in prehestoric planet: ice age?

[hardy sentinel]

an ocean episode would be hype

[stiff osprey]

assuming it spans as long of a timespan as prehistoric planet 1 did, yes

if it's just the ice age then no meg

[last adder]

Yeah, I'd love to see an episode focusing on marine habitats in this new season.

[hardy sentinel]

The ice age had a pretty big range, I think there's gonna be confirmed time jumping since there are two episodes with names like "The big freeze" and "the big melt"

[severe yew]

do you think at least 10 episodes would show?

[hardy sentinel]

We're getting five episodes

[severe yew]

oh, okay

cannot complain with 5 great episodes

[steady rock]

how many did the original have? i swear it was more then 5

[hardy sentinel]

5 per season

[civic fiber]

although it seems we aint getting David Attenborough this time

[hardy sentinel]

Tom Hiddleston is still a good narrator

[steady rock]

do you think if meg does star in a episode , it'll just be killing stuff like its always presented to do?

[last adder]

I don't know much about him, but I really didn't expect someone who has played roles in action movies to be a narrator for this.

[civic fiber]

well, there'd be a hunting scene for sure but probably after that they'd show it behaving like any shark but big :v

[civic fiber]

Im just sad he wont narrate the complete trilogy

[wary junco]

It's a bit different, the Velociraptor was based on indeterminate Maastrichtian velociraptorine material but named "Velociraptor" for simplicity

[wind prairie]

I mean plenty of people get confused when you tell them sharks are fish lol

[wind prairie]

driving in my car right after a beer, hey that bump is shaped like a deer-

[wind prairie]

calling bestinslot "this one dude" 🥀
that man is one of my childhood legends

[wind prairie]

actually no
the series takes place in the late pleistocene, and the dwarf elephant you're thinking of (P. falconeri) lived in the middle pleistocene, but there was another dwarf palaeoloxodon in the late pleistocene (so it's likely referring to that one) meaning we unfortunately probably don't get megaswan, since it's only known from middle pleistocene

[hardy sentinel]

The series is gonna have a great freeze and a great melt, all that happened in the late pleistocene?

[wind prairie]

yes, between 30,000 and 12,000 years ago

which unfortunately also means it'll be taking place after most of the cool australian megafauna like thylacoleo already went extinct

it's very possible it's just preservation bias though given the extinction there was thought to have started about 50k years ago, and other animals did still hold on

[lime relic]

Maybe they can afford to go just a tad farther back

[sudden wind]

I wanna see Australian fauna right next to Australia's megafauna so bad.

The places I hope the most we're gonna see are definitely Australia, New Zealand, Bering's sea and Hawaii to be honest.

[wind prairie]

no the series explicitly takes place between the peak of the last ice age (great freeze) and the start of the melt into today's climate

[lime relic]

Dang, I must’ve misread and thought they’d be going from just before the start of the last ice age

[wind prairie]

anyway I really hope the mammoths have aura

[sudden wind]

PLEASE APPLE TV GIVE US AUSTRALIA

[wind prairie]

I hope we get a bit of speculative inclusion like velociraptor being in preplanet. Because thylacoleo is not known from the time frame the show will take place

[misty scarab]

Varanus would be cool

[ancient crystal]

I hope we see H. sapien in the documentary, but they're pretty obscure so I'd understand if we don't

[last adder]

Speaking of primates, I wonder how many we will get to see in this new season.

[wind prairie]

I've never seen a reconstruction of those before. Sounds cool

[wary junco]

Is there any confirmation for this? The post mentions the great freeze/big melt as events the series will cover, but I've not seen anything that confirms it's entirely set between those two points to the exclusion of early/middle pleistocene stuff

if they're doing both the big freeze and big melt then it sounds like we're jumping around a bit in time rather than the simultaneous localities of S1-2

[wind prairie]

it's called ice age. The peak of the ice age (the most well known time) is at the big freeze
the ice age wasn't really anything more than a nippy era in the earlier pleistocene

[ocean drum]

🗣️

[wary junco]

So that's a no on any confirmation then? It could well be that they focus on just the time of glacial maximum in the later pleistocene, but I'm trying to establish what is confirmed rather than what's speculation

[lost moon]

I’d like to see some Gomphotheres

[wind prairie]

I think they were all extinct by this point aside from notiomastodon and cuvieronius

[zinc solstice]

Late but at least with Utahraptor and birds they had the same tree dwelling gliding or some short lasting flying Jurassic paravian ancestors before they split

[lost moon]

I knew they were mostly extinct, but with those guys hanging on I’d like to see one of them. notiomastodon could be cool to see interact with humans as well

[wind prairie]

if my trunk was that small I wouldn't call attention to myself pal

(you could recreate this scene with real south american fauna lol)

[lost moon]

LMAO ice age 1 is great for that

[kindred night]

I can't believe we'll see Dimetrodon as it too lived during an ice age with the Karoo ice age. Stunning

[wind prairie]

such a goated movie
like, one of the only things holding onto the cenozoic so it's not as obscure as the paleozoic imo

[sudden wind]

It literally is? It's from late Pleistocene.

What they will do is present us Pleistocene fauna from every continents through biome themed episodes iirc. So it won't just be at polar regions.

[wind prairie]

I already explained it bucko
most of the pleistocene australian megafauna was already going extinct around 50,000 years ago due to climate change. The series takes place way after that

[wary junco]

except we don't have confirmation of the scope

[kindred night]

We don't know what time it takes place in.

[sudden wind]

We know it's from Pleistocene and that's it.

[wind prairie]

"the onset of the great freeze, and eventually, the great melt"

[wary junco]

Okay? it'll cover those two events, now point to where it says the series will only cover those events

[wind prairie]

that's what that means, no other time is mentioned lmao ("great freeze and eventually great melt" also obviously implies it takes place between those points). It's called pleistocene ice age that is THE ice age

if otherwise it would not have been worded like this, they could've just said "late pleistocene" it has a specific frame of time like the original preplanet (66 mya) not just generally late cretaceous

both the great freeze AND great melt are in the late pleistocene
the great freeze is the last glacial maximum, being the ice age, the one everyone knows and the one the show is named after, and what it's obviously going to be ENTIRELY marketed around

[wary junco]

Yeah I'm aware both events are in the late pleistocene, I even think it's perfectly plausible for that to be the time range of the series. The issue I'm having is that you're telling other people it's a confirmed fact that the early/mid pleistocene will be excluded when we just don't know yet. It's worth pointing out that S1-2 were also explicitly 66 Ma but taxa from earlier in the Maastrichtian and even the Campanian were brought in, so it's not like there isn't a precedent for this

[wind prairie]

if the show covers any other time that was a very very poor choice of wording on their part

[wind prairie]

early/mid pleistocene. is. not. the. ice age.
and there were campanian animals in preplanet as speculation, not because any of the segments were actually meant to be campanian

and I'm not saying they can't use the australian fauna. I already said it could be preservation bias, just that they were in heavy decline by the show's stated time frame

[wary junco]

Again, I know those periods of time are not part of "The Ice Age", but all we've got confirmation of so far explicitly in writing is that it's a pleistocene documentary, and no information how much of the pleistocene is being covered. You're assuming that the justification behind subtitling it "ice age" is because it's only covering the ice age part of the Pleistocene, when it's also just a generally more recognisable term to the general public than pleistocene or cenozoic. My point is don't make assumptions based on the marketing when the marketing is designed to attract as broad an audience as possible, and isn't necessarily the most accurate scientific term to represent the series.

Walking with Dinosaurs covered more than just dinosaurs lol

[dire zealot]

https://fxtwitter.com/appletv/status/1950194660363948332?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

Apple TV (@AppleTV)

From towering giants to baby sloths, it doesn’t get cooler than this.
︀︀
︀︀#PrehistoricPlanet: Ice Age — Streaming November 26

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FxTwitter · Jul 29, 2025, 2:00 PM

[wind prairie]

it's not just that it's called the ice age. Again it says the onset of the great freeze, and eventually, the great melt. That is all late pleistocene
WWD being about more than just dinosaurs is very very very different

[ancient crystal]

They should've just made five episodes of New York City stock footage because technically we're still in an ice age

[dire zealot]

How Awsome is this that we are getting another season?? 🥳🥳

It would be amazing if they can explore extinct Holocene. Species like the Dodo, Thylacine, Steller sea cow among other extinct species

[wind prairie]

I'm just saying how do we know it's an ice age??

[ancient crystal]

Ice ages are just defined as having year long ice at the poles aren't they?

[wind prairie]

because. of all. THE ICE!!!

this is so peak wait a minute
with the onset of the nippy era doc maybe we can take a break from talking about non avian dinosaurs for a bit and people will ask more about pleistocene stuff

[balmy oyster]

Imagine non avian dinosaurs survived until the Pleistocene somewhere

[wary junco]

We're going around in circles so I'm not going to continue this discussion I think. All I've been saying is that you're making an assumption that it can only be between these two events, but nothing explicitly confirms that. The only thing the post confirms is that those two events will be covered, not that it's exclusively that time frame. If a WWD description had said it covers marine reptiles of the Jurassic and the end Cretaceous extinction, would you assume they cut the Triassic entirely? My point is it's still very early days, we have very little information to go off, so maybe we shouldn't be treating anything as confirmed unless it's stated by the people who actually made it

[ancient crystal]

Yes, instead of fake 25 ton theropods and edmusthosaurus, we'll see canid homotherium and conspiracies that would make Graham Hancock blush

[wind prairie]

step aside edmusthosaurus
let us welcome MAMMUSTH (actually scientifically plausible)

[light osprey]

Most of the Campanian animals in prehistoric planet are due to poorly dated formations. Velociraptor is expressed ad nauseam to be a stand in for indeterminate Velociraptorine material.

[dire zealot]

I hope Apple TV would bring us the lost species for this season, it would be a perfect chance to showcase them

It would be Awsome to showcase other lands beyond classic Europe or America all over during the Pleistocene there’s all sorts of life thriving from the islands, Africa, Oceana and even Japan in the Pleistocene has its own unique diversity of extinct species thriving in their own respective ecosystems

[wind prairie]

nile leopard seals are terrifying

[light osprey]

It’s South Africa

[wind prairie]

oh
wait how would they get there lol

[light osprey]

They’re a southern hemisphere pinniped

[wind prairie]

I mean yes but how do they get into inland south africa

[dire zealot]

https://fxtwitter.com/hodarinundu/status/1868089204187783371?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu)

Somewhere in Pleistocene South Africa, a quagga crosses a river in an attempt to rescue a foal caught by a leopard. Unfortunately, there's leopards in the water too... Apparently colder climate allowed leopard seals to roam South African waters during the last ice age....

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FxTwitter · Dec 15, 2024, 12:22 AM

[wind prairie]

RIP falkland island wolf

[dire zealot]

It would be so cool if they showcase the Warrah too.
It’s such a unique mysterious species that’s the only native mammal in the falklands whose origins are a complete mystery.

[outer tusk]

Just recaping this piece is of South Africa?

[dire zealot]

https://fxtwitter.com/hodarinundu/status/1859668684052234603?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

https://fxtwitter.com/hodarinundu/status/1937298603053048100?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

imagine knowing there’s used to be rhinos living in temperate forests during the Pleistocene in Central Europe

Or even the first wholly rhino ever reached Alaska from the Bering land bridge

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu)

A sight for Pleistocene eyes only... A herd of Stephanorhinus in a central European forest. These rhinos adapted well to temperate and even cold climates and were related to today's highly endangered Sumatran rhino. Check out the new article at @Theextinctions about them!

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FxTwitter · Nov 21, 2024, 6:42 PM

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu)

So there is a rumor that a mummified woolly rhino was found in Alaska. Just in case it turns out to be true here is some art :B Also visit my instagram to read on more intriguing scenarios re: the creatures depicted!

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FxTwitter · Jun 23, 2025, 11:55 PM

[dire zealot]

Nope this is from Pleistocene Japan 🇯🇵

[winter marsh]

I really hope this Ice Age PHP has the cool and weird phorusrhacids that arent Kelenken or Phorusrhacos itself

[wind prairie]

all the terror birds are dead in the ice age aside from potentially a very small genus, psilopterus

[winter marsh]

THATS HIM I LOVE MY BABY BOY

[dire zealot]

Yeah and yet there’s also recent find it from what I heard about other terror bird species (that are presumably undiscovered) to be living in the Pleistocene too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilopterus

[wind prairie]

none others from the late pleistocene afaik

[winter marsh]

I want either Psilopterus or Mesembriornis to appear but Mesembri is from the earlier eras iirc

[sudden wind]

Psilopterus would be peak

[dire zealot]

Well I’m just taking it with a grain of salt given how successful they were back then, there’s always a possibility 🤷

I mean I’m sure people didn’t expect wholly rhinos arriving in Alaska or even dire wolves living in China so why not the chance of some undiscovered species of Phorusrhacid surviving up in that later time in South America or such?🤷
It’s why we have these discoveries after all, not just facts

[wind prairie]

I'm pretty sure the cooling and drying climate was why they went extinct

[dire zealot]

Better than “mammals outcompeting them in intelligent” and all that outdated garbage the docuseries Life on our Planet had depicted them. Cause honestly that was done dirty to Terror Birds

[wind prairie]

mammalian cunning

[dire zealot]

“Mammalin Cunning” Oh please 🙄
What a load of bull they described

[last adder]

Life on our planet was basically just making out evolution to be linear and glazing more recent creatures.

It's honestly really garbage..

[stiff osprey]

The modern day and early paleozoic segments were nice, then from the permian onwards it went to poopoo

[last adder]

Honestly, yeah.

Love how they portrayed lystrosaurus and relatives as incompetent and losing all survival skills despite the fact that they literally survived up until the end of the Triassic..

[wind prairie]

"the unwitting dodo of its age" making me want to impale my brain ngl

[lost moon]

thank you oml I’ve not really looked up how people felt about life on our planet but I did not like it at all. a few good reconstructions, a few more awful reconstructions, this horrible narrative combined with half the doc not being prehistory AND animals out of their chronological time! honestly it was insulting after prehistoric planet

[stark roost]

Ah that’s a cool species I’ve never heard of

[last adder]

Not even dodo birds should be insulted like they so commonly are- they were really well suited for ther isolated environment.

[winter marsh]

tbh they were like rabbits. I wouldnt be surprised if a bunch of rabbits started mutating and making so much offspring theyd flood the world in poo and cuteness and eventually end all wars because we´d all be dead

[wary junco]

I personally don't hold the modern wildlife segments against it, it was never marketed as just a prehistory documentary and honestly some of those sections ended up being the best parts (like the snow leopard section) - people just assumed it would be 100% prehistoric animals. The rest is completely fair though.

[wind prairie]

this exactly. Not only are you perpetuating a bad trope, but now you're also applying it to something else entirely

[last adder]

The problem with the show wasn't showing modern animals, but their outdated mindset and clear bias for showing evolution in a very incorrect way. Not to mention just bad portrayals overall..

[winter marsh]

I am better than a sea cucumber because I eat and poop from 2 different holes

[last adder]

Basically the logic of that series ngl.

[stark roost]

Mammal glaze 😂

[stark roost]

Where do you watch it btw?

[last adder]

Nothing is better than anything else, just different. That's how I think about the world in general.

[wary junco]

Netflix

[last adder]

Mostly referring to organisms with this.)

[stark roost]

What’s a Mesembriornis?

[lost moon]

I watched it on Netflix

[winter marsh]

[last adder]

That's where I watched it as well. I honestly can't remember if I bothered to finish the series-

[lost moon]

lol I was just about to joke that prehistoric planet is both different and better than life on our planet

[wind prairie]

only the best terror bird

[outer tusk]

https://youtu.be/TxKBo1duruU

[ancient crystal]

[full lagoon]

Even crazier given that this group of animals pretty much made it until the end of the Triassic amongst these animals that supposedly wiped them out

Diictodonts and kin had survived longer than we have existed, and it's absurd to characterize them as overly incompetent like in the show.

[balmy oyster]

It was just a bad show tbh, best to leave it be and move on

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-annakendrick-pitchperfect-pitchperfect2-micdrop-gif-11777671842894244430

@wind prairie

that could be part of the reason why there are sometimes disagreements here and there, people making generalized assumptions 😅

.
honestly, the best is to just wait for more info to come out, or just wait for the show itself 🍻

[severe yew]

with only 5 episodes, would there be enough time to showcase all these animals? 🤔

[last adder]

Well, based on previous seasons, they show several different areas and scenes per episode.

[severe yew]

damn, that terror bird head looks scary 😬

[wind prairie]

tbh though it's only that big

[severe yew]

oh, damn 😅

[sick gull]

some can get downright scary big though https://i.redd.it/gkno58ts0r9d1.jpeg

[tough parcel]

Why is Titanis so teeny tiny here

[sick gull]

it's about the same size as an ostrich

[opaque kayak]

Bro looks so good he looks still alive

[topaz shell]

Those two big ones are herbivores no?

[sick gull]

the moa was herbivorous iirc, the beaks on the other two seem much more carnivorous. i don't think you need a beak that huge to eat plants

[topaz shell]

I think they ate fruits iirc

[wind prairie]

I thought titanis was around that size?
besides it's so fragmentary, impossible to tell

[severe yew]

i wonder exactly wich terror bird this fossil belonged to 🤔

[tough parcel]

I think that's a Titanis skull reconstruction lol

[wind prairie]

a hodgepodge

[tough parcel]

Been a while since I checked but I swear it's a tad bit larger

[severe yew]

https://www.livescience.com/animals/extinct-species/a-giant-crocodilian-killed-the-largest-terror-bird-ever-found-12-million-years-ago

damn, huge terror bird snatched by a Purussaurus 💀

can see tooth marks

[last adder]

At least this bird probably died pretty quickly-

[frigid delta]

"hated each other"
https://discordapp.com/channels/537375400867659875/542776901442338816/1178596020712652930

[tough parcel]

Bro is linking to something so far back, Discord refuses to actually show it

[outer tusk]

I can see it but yeah like lmao

[frigid delta]

both are dating, why must they fight?

[steady rock]

this is probably what happened to someone's grandma

[tough parcel]

I don't remember saying that at all

[steady rock]

you ancient, 2019...

[tough parcel]

Tears in my eyes, dust in my sighs

[steady rock]

i know tarbo was a general predator, i'll assume rex followed too, what about the smaller tyrannosaurids, like, dasp, gorgo and alberta?

[tough parcel]

General predators

[frigid delta]

nah
Lieutenant Predators

perhaps a Major predator?
one of them must be a Brigadier predator

[steady rock]

this will be a weird question but is being a generalist in your diet the default or no?

[last adder]

For known tyrannosaurids I'd consider the ones like Qianzhousaurus and Alioramus to be different kinds of predators than their kin.

They likely hunted faster smaller prey and weren't as suited to tackling big guys.

[wind prairie]

much like the nano-T

[steady rock]

so larger tyrannosaurids were generalists while smaller ones are more specialized?

[last adder]

Sort of? More of just the Alioramini tyrannosaurids being well refined for pursuit.

[steady rock]

im gonna say something really stupid but its interesting how much different asian and american tyrannosaurid diets differed

tell me if this is correct

asian tyrannosaurs

• alot of ankylosaurids
• sauropods
• hadrosaurs

american tyrannosaurs

• ceratopsians
• ocasionally ankylosaurids / nodasaurids
• hadrosaurs

[thorn grove]

I don’t think ankylosaurids were common enough in any formation to be the major component of an apex predator’s diet

[steady rock]

i swear theres like, this one formation with like, just a bunch of ankylosaurids

[thorn grove]

Dinosaur Park has a lot iirc but they’re still outnumbered by other herbivores

[steady rock]

i mean, for like, tarbo , i would say they made up a majority of its diet

[last adder]

I'm not sute if ankylosaurids or nodosaurids made up a major part of any predators diet when they were fully developed.

Thats sort of their whole deal.

Less common, and hard to tackle even if singled out.

[wind prairie]

no
I don't think anything was particularly specialized for ankylosaurs

[steady rock]

im probably thinking of the time someone told me tarbo was especially great at tackling armored prey, i apologize

[thorn grove]

Tarbo was probably eating just about anything in Nemegt but majority of its diet was probably Saurolophus if anything

[wind prairie]

hadrosaurs are just really good food

[last adder]

I mean, the large beefed up tyrannosaurids would theoretically have the best chances at successfully hunting something like an ankylosaur, but even still- they're so sparse and well defended I don't think they'd be a reliable food source for any theropod.

[steady rock]

i wonder what made up more of tarbos diet ( besides hadros )

• sauropods ( adult or juvenile )

or

• ankylosaurids

[hardy sentinel]

Would this be accurate to the variation in dinos in the hell creek or should I adjust some to account for fossil bias?

[steady rock]

wheres like, toro, denver and archeraptor?

also, why rex and trike over edmonto?

[hardy sentinel]

No clue, this is the Wikipedia graph

[next urchin]

No chance that's accurate💀

[hardy sentinel]

This is the list, I think trike is there to say ceratopsians

[steady rock]

oooh, its clades

[next urchin]

Guys

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, its a fake reconstruction done by a 14 year old on deviant art.

There's no reason to think 25 ton theropods could exist in the first place

[next urchin]

I remember when before i was watching BBC dino documentary with the spino fighting the carcharodontosaurus or watching the famous Dino révolution with broken jaw fighting a torvosaurus and a sauropods to have revenge on

[next urchin]

And that's just old spéculation with only a vertébra am i the only one to think the yangchuanosaurus head looks like the laeviatanus?

[steady rock]

???

[next urchin]

Nothing i confused with another dino

I'm bored

[steady rock]

then do something

[winter marsh]

I heard that Acro's teeth had a good shape to crack up ankylosaur armor (and it had a pretty decent bite force, but nothing close to a Tyrannosaurus), although I dont think it wouldve been its main source of food since baby sauropods snacks were available almost all the time.

[frigid delta]

hey

[winter marsh]

Maybe the cretaceous had a 20 meter wingspan azdarchid that would casually pick up nodosaurs and drop them like eagles do with turtles

[thorn grove]

I believe those numbers are skewed by how common Trike and rex cranial material is

[ancient crystal]

Wow, a dinosaur game that doesn't underestimate Tyrannosaurus' size, that's actually a rarity

Granted its an egregious overestimate instead but still

[winter marsh]

Fattie

[hardy sentinel]

fun!

So is Edmontosaurus the most common?

[thorn grove]

yup

[hardy sentinel]

So would you say the number is closer to 50% Edmontosaurus?

[last adder]

I'm pretty sute there's been a study seeing how well Borealopelta could take an Acrocanthosaurus bite at maximum force, and the nodosaur was pretty much unscathed.

[thorn grove]

yea I can whip up a pie chart rq lol

[hardy sentinel]

Thanks! I'm making a sanctuary in PK and wanna make sure I got accurate numbers when I add all the stuff in

[winter marsh]

When and how

[last adder]

I'm trying to figure out where I found that.

[ashen wedge]

Why we talking about the fakeosaurus?

[frigid delta]

not even a convo abt Creosaurus 😒

[winter marsh]

I doubt Ankylosaurs had no predators especially with all the weird dinos, crocs and pterosaurs running around

[last adder]

https://www.livescience.com/animals/dinosaurs/armored-dinosaur-could-withstand-the-impact-of-a-high-speed-car-crash-thanks-to-the-bulletproof-vest-over-its-plate-armor

[ancient crystal]

Bait of the rage variety most likely

[torpid zephyr]

Perfect ankylosaurus talk, what’s the estimate for weight for CMN 880
I see some estimates for 8 tons or close to and than a max of five tons

[thorn grove]

I just left everything else as "other" since I believe Hell Creek is biased towards preserving larger animals, so the smaller ones would be a greater percentage than this irl

but the substantial majority of multi ton animals would be Edmontosaurus

[last adder]

This also explains why ankylosaur and nodosaur armor couldn't just be "cracked" and how it's structured.

[thorn grove]

8 tons is feasible if you scale by skull width

scaling by skull length only yields 5 tons and is more in line with other Ankylosaurus specimens (which iirc are also thought to be adults)

[ashen wedge]

Dam

[hardy sentinel]

What percentage would you put Ankylosaurs, Pachycephalosaurs, Ornithomimids, small Ornithopods and non avian paravians at?

[frigid delta]

https://discordapp.com/channels/537375400867659875/542776901442338816/1377746830606995547

[light osprey]

We could never know, any number would be pure fiction

[hardy sentinel]

That's why I asked for their subjective answer

[severe yew]

a 25 ton giganotosaurus? 😮

[frigid delta]

4.8-5.1 tons
8t is inaccurate & overweight

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-memes-cat-images-cat-meme-gif-1645232734827791485

[torpid zephyr]

Breaking my heart 💔 but I will accept it

[winter marsh]

Each day Tyrannosaurus sucks out the energy of other Hell Creek dinos to gain more weight

[severe yew]

not bad 👍

[thorn grove]

idk, 50/50 cuz why not

[severe yew]

but around a 5 % trex is not unreasonable

carnivors are usually much less than herbivores (at least on current lifeforms)

[sharp dragon]

With a silly straw.

[torpid zephyr]

So how would an ankylosaurus fare against a tyrannosaurus with these estimates

[last adder]

Being short and low to the ground would still be a great advantage for the anky.

[stiff osprey]

if a rex wanted to blitzkrieg an anky to death it probably could, but unless it had no other option it would probably be too afraid of a broken leg to risk doing so

[white matrix]

I dont think this is accurate

[sharp dragon]

It's like trying to eat a jaw breaker that can actually do the thing it's name is.

[wind prairie]

idk about that tbh

[drifting condor]

How accurate is this baby carno?
(Not Ai)

[opaque kayak]

How did this become so famous

[scenic flame]

it's pretty good, but we don't really have a good IRL example of what it's relative's babies would look like, let alone carno itself

[stark roost]

Oh that’s cool anything special bout it

[stark roost]

I thought the Moa was bigger then them birds what 😭

[balmy oyster]

Brontornis was a beast

[sick gull]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurs/images/9/92/Brontornis.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220405140220

[wind prairie]

iirc it has adaptations for running down prey in a straight line like a wild dog
and it's head is kinda shaped like velociraptor

[stark roost]

Cool

[ancient crystal]

All I want out of Prehistoric Planet: Ice Age is a megalodon spy hopping

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-hopping-shark-tweaking-tweaking-out-thrashing-gif-14049498579002218279

[hardy sentinel]

look at this beauty

[balmy oyster]

Horrific

[severe yew]

that is ugly 👎

[ancient crystal]

Yes, exactly

[hardy sentinel]

Teenage years, amirite

[ancient crystal]

He looks like donkey from shrek

[severe yew]

it is just as bad, if not worse than this one 🤢

[hardy sentinel]

you'd be stoned for such a crappy take like this back in 1500 btw

[balmy oyster]

This is an amazing movie. Don’t ask me to explain why, it’s just a cultural monument of our time.

[stark roost]

Why is Metriacanthosauridae so cool

[balmy oyster]

Aura filled dinosaurs

[compact leaf]

dinosaur is an absolutely incredible movie, literally shaped the way we do cgi

[stark roost]

I like there heads. Especially Yangs

[balmy oyster]

Awesome movie, they predicated “Titanovenator” 🔥

[severe yew]

oh, damn, are you serious? 😳

[compact leaf]

the amount of research and commitment they put into the dinosaurs is also pretty amazing

[balmy oyster]

You’d be surprised by how iconic the main antagonist dinosaurs were

Turns out using carnotaurus as the big bad instead of Rex or raptors for the 200th time is surprisingly novel

[hardy sentinel]

Kenyan giant my beloved

Also google AI calls Titanovenator a "fan made name". I find it funny how Google thinks Paleontology is a fandom

[stark roost]

What do you mean by this. Genuine question just don’t understand

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[compact leaf]

while making the movie they did a ton of research to get the dinosaurs as accurate as possible for the time, to the point where they were going to give the raptors feathers (but they couldn’t get the effects to work right without exploding a computer)

[viscid jackal]

What movie?

[compact leaf]

disneys dinosaur

[balmy oyster]

the thing is though, it is technically a "fan made" name

"Titanovenator" has no official name and is still supposed to be indeterminate afaik

[compact leaf]

yeah the fossils are indeterminate and undescribed still

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but "fan made" instead of "informal" is just a weird way for the google clanker to describe it

[stark roost]

I love you Mr Kenyan giant

[hardy sentinel]

"Kenyan giant" this, "Titanovenator" that

What about him

DESCRIBE MY BOY 🥶 🗣️

[balmy oyster]

It’s also only a toe bone too if spino could get a msnm sized toe bone then raptors deserve to get this one as well

[severe gate]

Whys my boy next to omniman

[balmy oyster]

It would also be a great contrast to the bayanshiree formation which had a large bodied tyrannosaurine and a smaller large bodied raptor

[severe yew]

my honest opinion is...

to describe an entire dinosaur using only a toe bone (or any single bone, even few bones), is beyond ridiculous

and should be prohibited in paleontology

• i hope someone doesn't get triggered by this and starts a 8 vs 1 chat war 🙏 😅

• although, any good arguments are always welcomed 🍻

https://tenor.com/view/any-one-anyone-there-thor-chris-hemsworth-gif-22276413

[wind prairie]

megalodon did not live in the ice age

[wind prairie]

I gotta say I don't like the name titanovenator on that thing. Just doesn't feel right idk

[severe yew]

so what name would you give it then? 🤔

[wind prairie]

I may have to think on it

lets try something other than -venator. Saurolestes?? Megalodectes? just off the top of my head

[lofty creek]

pray for Yutyrannus further description publish before 2026
I have seen the abstract tho

[balmy oyster]

There’s some interesting abstracts that were shown earlier this year, I’m intrigued for many of them

[lofty creek]

second tarbo species, alberta new species, super big lilien, what's more

[severe yew]

cool names 😎

i do like the "titanovenator kenyanensis", mainly due to its meaning in latin, as you know:

titano = titan
vanator = hunter

kenyanensis = because it is thought to have lived in present day kenya

[lofty creek]

long
loong

[severe yew]

and i think was thought to have hunted sauropods or something like that

[balmy oyster]

New schimatar spino, malawisaurus skull discussion, large non-ceratopsian neoceratopsian from the same formation duonychus and khankuluhuu were in

[balmy oyster]

Very likely considering all the fossil material we’ve found so far

[thorn grove]

indet. formation

[balmy oyster]

The best formation

[thorn grove]

that's an indet. formation- the best kind of formation

[stark roost]

Oh I’ve never heard of this before. That’s a giant dromaeosaur

[hardy sentinel]

THE MOSASAURS FLEW?!

[stark roost]

Just describe them already bro 😭✌️

[balmy oyster]

good news is, the entire formation is planned to be described which is why it's taking some time

I think only titano & one of the sauropods has considerable material though so it shouldn't be too long

[stark roost]

Ah alright

[hardy sentinel]

Ain't no way we're getting an entire formation description at once

We're getting a dino pack irl

[balmy oyster]

fr

[undone rapids]

There's also some cool crocs in that formation

Here's a vid from the people that are working on that formation : https://www.youtube.com/live/VrDqbvSaHB0?si=VHaZff72CHeOArFC

Also mentions other cool stuff coming from Africa like an Extremely Huge sauropod from Madagascar

[wind prairie]

that titanosauriforme is interesting

[balmy oyster]

wait...

• "extremely huge"
• found madagascar
• another "extremely huge" sauropod that got its named swapped to an abelisaur found in india
• madagascar & india were connected early cret and still super close by the end of the cretaceous

could it be...?

[wind prairie]

BRRUUUUUUHHHHHH

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/agent-stone-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-2-sonic-movie-2-he's-back-gif-4112317903333909072

[wind prairie]

he's bruh
HE'S BRUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH

[stark roost]

Who’s back 🥺

[stark roost]

Cool video

[wind prairie]

bruh is back
actually he never left
"you never knew it... but I was always.. there"

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-i-was-always-there-humpty-dumpty-alexander-puss-gif-27400177

[opaque kayak]

✝️

[undone rapids]

That means this guys will also end up being a Huge Abelisaur!!!

[serene moat]

Titanovenator has sm aura to the name imo

[undone rapids]

Titan Hunter is a nice name, would it being used informally so much disqualify it from ever being used for any dinosaur in the future due to ICZN rules or something, or does that only apply if its used informally in literature or something?

[shell flame]

Is Bruhatkayasaurus from India valid, aka BFS (big f sauropod)

[stiff osprey]

bruhath is valid but the big f sauropod is a different unnamed thing

bruhathkayosaurus's holotype is an ilium that appears to be from a theropod, so it can't be the same animal as the giant sauropod bones

[shell flame]

I hope one day we'll have a clearer picture about Gondwana stuff, until then I'll just watch The Vividen on yt

[lost moon]

I love the turkana abelisaur, it’s so cool. It’s so cool to see an abelisaurid even bigger than Carno, who was already pretty huge, with a more robust head and a presumably tyrannosaur-like niche. It shows even more how this niche could evolve in lots of different groups of theropods

with that said, I don’t really like the name Titanovenator. it’s not particularly terrible but it will probably be invalid because of informal usage, and it feels a bit on-the-nose ‘cool’ since it originated from some Jurassic world fan post

[ancient crystal]

Idk, theres a lot of names like that out there. Its no different in my opinion to Tyrannosaurus.

Tyrant lizard and Titan hunter

[steady rock]

i thought it did?

[hardy sentinel]

Is this fossil material up to date?

[outer tusk]

Yes

[hardy sentinel]

What's the consensus on Raptorex (send papers if possible)

[sudden wind]

Idk why it would change when nothing was found afterward

Iirc Raptorex is valid so far and is a juvenile Tyrannosaurine.

"A reappraisal of tyrannosauroid fossils from the Iren Dabasu Formation (Coniacian–Campanian), Inner Mongolia, People's Republic of China"

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2023.2199817

[stark roost]

Raptorex is valid? I really just thought it was a Juvenile Tarbo