paleontology

[fluid inlet]

One time I was trying to draw the Giga and it ended up looking like acro so I changed it to acro 🤣

[fossil dawn]

Lol

[balmy oyster]

The artistic design with the coloration is just….uh…..

[fluid inlet]

Did it for a chick that’s why it was those colors 🤣

[compact leaf]

that's like the one clade I do not touch the phylogeny of

[fluid inlet]

My cryolophosaurus

[compact leaf]

I refuse to, it's disgusting, I can keep track of titanosaurs I don't need more than one gross clade

[fossil dawn]

Kinda better now..the prev one looked like Meraxes or smth

[balmy oyster]

Trust me ceratopsian phylogeny is 10x worse

[compact leaf]

oh absolutely

[ionic marsh]

Is this any good for yangchuanosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Whatever you do just keep trying and stay consistent, easiest way to become a pro.

[fossil dawn]

Maybe the skull can be a bit longer cuz rn it looks like an abelisauridae

[ionic marsh]

It is supposed to be looking to the side keep that in mind

[fluid inlet]

Looks good overall but yeah the skull is not long enough imo.

wtf is that

[charred hearth]

basilosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Nothern right whale never heard of it before

[rich vessel]

Says it at the bottom, northern right whale dolphin

Tbh, I’ve never heard of it before either

[fluid inlet]

I think I just found a new favorite aquatic https://discoverywhalewatch.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7732/2019/12/blog-18.12.19-4-scaled-1.jpg?w=1000&h=1000&zoom=2

[earnest otter]

You did well

[earnest otter]

What in the flippity is this cool thing!!!

[fluid inlet]

Northern right whale dolphin!

[earnest otter]

Is this real or AI?

This is my new favorite thing !!!

[rich vessel]

Real

[fluid inlet]

Real

[balmy oyster]

Why are we asking this.

Artistry is dying, and alongside it killed is the thinking process within us all.

[fossil dawn]

Does it looks more like a carchar now

[twin lava]

thats just tyrannotitan

[fossil dawn]

Actually yeah i gotta fix this again

[ancient crystal]

This company is going to give me an aneurysm

[twin lava]

cenozoic park when?

[plucky basin]

just go to a zoo man

[twin lava]

thats boring

[plucky basin]

well its what you asked for

[twin lava]

we arent in the cenozoic tho

[ancient crystal]

I'm trying to come up with something clever to say about this but I'm too mad

[twin lava]

were in the holocene.. 😭

[charred hearth]

im pretty sure every animal you see today in zoos in from the cenozic

[plucky basin]

so.. who's gonna tell him?

[tough parcel]

While I've said before that I'm massively critical of colossal, and I still am, ultimately I recognize that, while it'd be nice to have such a huge outpouring of support for extant species conservation+associated tech advancements, that  probably won't happen on its own. And if Colossal has to do a little bit of grifting and hype up de-extinction to make these tools happen, then y'know what, I'll take it. Perfect is the enemy of the good and all that jazz```
Cause I feel this is a succinct summary

[twin lava]

ahh i see what you mean nvm i understand now

thought you meant the current time period

[charred hearth]

the holocene is also in the cenozic

[twin lava]

oh i didnt acutally know that mb

thought they were two seperate eras

[charred hearth]

you're being executed for being wrong

[plucky basin]

seems pretty fair

[twin lava]

fair enough

[charred hearth]

i just remembered how some people executed a elephant by hanging it for killing her handler, justice for mary the elphant

[twin lava]

how do you hang a elephant is the real question here

oh god i just saw pictures

[plucky basin]

yeah wait

[balmy oyster]

Really big noose

[charred hearth]

theres a picture of it...

[plucky basin]

dm it to me 🤤
-# actually dont

[twin lava]

thats just animal brutality

[charred hearth]

i dont think we should kill animals for killing humans or live stock, is that a hot take

[tough parcel]

This was like the 1800s (iirc) so like yea, that was normal

[charred hearth]

i mean like, people still put down dogs if they maul toddlers, maybe those small childern deserved it, we dont know the dogs side of the story

get mauled by a pitbull called cupcake or get mauled by a deinonychus called dandelion

[jagged trellis]

( probably gonna get smited by mods soon tm but id just say depends on the case, a big cat being sabotaged and hurting someone shouldn't but a big cat who had to start predation on humans regardless of can wise or just does should)
so denversaurus am i right

[charred hearth]

okay but humans are apart of some wild cats diets, like lions and or house cats when their 9919549020 yr grandma dies

[tough parcel]

Denversaurus when I ask for a scalable material

[charred hearth]

denversaurus is ankys introvert brother who sits in a basement all day bullying kids on roblox

[earnest otter]

YESSSSSS

[ancient crystal]

Their PR team is killing me though, like what do you mean you're "bringing back" avian dinosaurs, they never went anywhere

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, bring up the "Birds are Drones" movement

[jagged trellis]

big words attract people
say big words were wrong in subtle small text
go back on it
repeat
some of the genetic stuff they are doing is real nice
but just saying: hey we made a genetically engineered grey wolf, is already great
don't need to: dire wolves BROUGHT BACK live 4k jurassic world rebirth trust they grew alot guys podcast!!!!

[balmy oyster]

If anything they’ve been perfectly fine for over 145 million years lol

[lofty creek]

Tongnanlong zhimingi, new giant Chinese mamenchisaur

they use the 2022 scott pic for M. youngi though

big boi

[charred hearth]

did i scale it wrong? it looks to be the size of mammechi

[thorn grove]

i've seen bigger

[charred hearth]

i dont think i scaled it wrong, infact i might've accidentally upsized it slightly

[balmy oyster]

Wait that’s not giant

[thorn grove]

says you

[outer tusk]

If only the actual image provided in the paper was HQ

[charred hearth]

@lofty creek i am gonna to consume you for lying

[lofty creek]

bcz that is mamenchi
that is based on the 2022 scott M. youngi art
not scaled to T. zhimingi, only show the preserved part

[charred hearth]

you said it was big though, you infact said GIANT

[tough parcel]

We live in a society where that is not big or giant

[charred hearth]

is that not just a regular mammechisaurus size wise

[lofty creek]

isnt 25-30 metre giant
and the largest mamenchisaur scapular we ever have

[tough parcel]

@stiff osprey Will you scale it…

[charred hearth]

did i scale it wrong, why is regular mammechi bigger ( the skeletal i used )

[lofty creek]

bcz it's the scott version M. youngi size, not your fault

[charred hearth]

oh, alright, im sorry for being rude earlier

[lofty creek]

@charred hearth the scapular in the left of this pic has the correct scale though, scale the M. youngi pic with it would be better maybe

but im afraid it will result in a very big one since the single scapular is quite large, so if randomdino is gonna do this thing, i suggest checking the size data of all preserved fossils and make a new pic
(propotion issue mainly)

[charred hearth]

i have no clue how to scale stuff to bones, falcon never taught my ancestor 😢

[severe yew]

[lofty creek]

Tongnanlong zhimingi compare with M. youngi, scaled by the scapula

the bigger one is T.zhimingi

[balmy oyster]

What does scaling with the vertebrae vertebrae get?

[lofty creek]

@charred hearth @tough parcel @thorn grove

[lofty creek]

according to the article it would be 23-26 metres

[thorn grove]

that is in fact a big boy

[lofty creek]

clear version

[hardy sentinel]

Who is this diva

[charred hearth]

would it be alright if you compared it next to a human too?

[lavish frigate]

I mean…was it on purpose? 💀

[hardy sentinel]

By hanging? With what neck 💀

holy cow it's actually real

[fluid inlet]

Gomez solos

[lofty creek]

the highest one is Xinjiangtitan

reminder that we dont have the neck related material of T. zhimingi so it could also have a longer neck

[placid stump]

New mamenchisaurid tongnanlong zhimingi

[balmy oyster]

It was closer to mamenchi than xinjiang so probably not

[hardy sentinel]

Daily reminder that bats are more closely related to salmon than salmon are to sharks

[balmy oyster]

I love phylogeny

[hardy sentinel]

me too

Better cropped tree btw

[severe yew]

yey, my great ancestor is a fish 🐟

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/gorf-fibsh-fish-soda-drink-gif-6852332711730545532

[balmy oyster]

Little late to the party

[placid stump]

To what

[ashen wedge]

True

[ashen wedge]

It’s not different, it’s just a bit unique and odd (yes I know that’s the meaning of it’s name am making a joke)

[lofty creek]

Pulaosaurus qinglong, a new, early-diverging neornithischian from Tiaojishan Fr.

guys we got 2 in 1 day

P. qinglong represents the second known dinosaur to preserve ossified laryngeal elements, thus suggesting that a bird-like vocalization evolved early in non-avian dinosaur evolution.

[lofty creek]

@halcyon cobalt @twin lava check this

[lavish frigate]

Have an article? I wanna annoy my YEC friends with bird like dinosaurs real quick

[hallow spear]

11m 2t allosaurus 💀

[lofty creek]

dm, I dont have nitro so I have to send it via email

[outer tusk]

💀 what was ElRep cooking lmao

[bleak rose]

Hey folks, i need some help to better grasp some concepts: It's about therapsids and synapsids; are therapsids a type of synapsid or they descend from them and became their own thing? were therapsids the ancestors of mammals? Do synapsids come from reptiles?

I'm rather confused about this and i just wanna know how this works

[halcyon cobalt]

synapsids aren’t reptiles, therapsids are a branch of synapsids. Mammals are therapsids iirc

[bleak rose]

I understand they aren't reptiles, but did they evolve from a branch of reptiles or come from a different branch than reptiles?

[outer tusk]

YOU are a snapsid

[stiff osprey]

Different branch than reptiles. They are both amniotes, and amniotes split into synapsids and sauropsids (=reptiles)

[bleak rose]

Oooooh so both synapsids and sauropsids share a common ancestor, and both are amniotes?

I didn't know that

[halcyon cobalt]

you can’t “evolve out of being something” btw. once a fish always a fish

[bleak rose]

Mammals are amniotes, too, right?

And so would be birds?

[stiff osprey]

Yeah, the reason people used to call them mammal-like reptiles is because the ancestral amniote looked pretty much like a lizard. Reptiles just kept the ancestral appearance more

[halcyon cobalt]

Yes. If you are a tetrapod with non-permeable skin there’s a good chance you are an amniote

[bleak rose]

And then synapsids derived into many branches, one of them being therapsids, right?

Which then one branch of them evolved into mammals?

[stiff osprey]

Yup

[bleak rose]

That's pretty cool

[charred hearth]

was it true mammechisaurs were relatively light for their size ? or was that diplodocids?

[lofty creek]

at same length mamenchisaur would have less body and more neck so I guess thats true

[hardy sentinel]

chat... I just found out that our direct ancestor had subspecies. I didn't know we could find subspecies from just fossils https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man

Keep in mind i'm not saying Peking man (H. e pekinensis) is our direct ancestor, just pointing out that H. e had subspecies

not saying the full species name because for some reason both of those things are banned words

[severe yew]

wrong, i am a Dragon 🐉

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-dragon-got-looking-drogon-gif-17207881

[balmy oyster]

Best name for a prehistoric animal EVER.

[zealous ravine]

It also appears to maybe have tail scales similar to Kulindadromeus but it’s not mentioned in the paper so it probably needs further investigation

[severe trail]

Check cwapinformation.gov, Kai is a mosasaur

[topaz shell]

That’s your site, plus every other site lists it as a plesiosaur

[nimble jacinth]

Bro Kai ain’t a mosasaur

[severe trail]

Ah yes my sight, and I'm supposed to take your word?

[topaz shell]

I corrected myself dude

[nimble jacinth]

Dude where tf r u finding this info

[severe trail]

Literally just said, government website

[topaz shell]

Also you are the ONLY person I’ve ever seen call kai a mosasaur

[nimble jacinth]

Government lies

[topaz shell]

“Cwapinformation” it’s your site??

Wrong “your” again probably

[nimble jacinth]

Dude the government is wrong

[topaz shell]

That doesn’t exist??
I just searched it up

[cold elk]

Any person can make a .gov at the end of their sites cwapinformarion.gov doesn’t even pop up when searching it

[charred hearth]

i feel like if the goverment told y'all the sky was red you'd believe it

[topaz shell]

Maybe use an actual site instead of lying??

[severe trail]

Must be a bug, not my problem it definitely does exist though

[cold elk]

Stop baiting kid

[bronze plover]

im being baited

[charred hearth]

why have i never seen any of you in this chat before

[nimble jacinth]

Idk

[pliant lantern]

I checked out of the kaiwhekea debate like five minutes ago and y’all probably should too
don’t feed the trolls people

[nimble jacinth]

Dude is definitely baiting

[topaz shell]

Ok your actually baiting us

[charred hearth]

what was more oversized compared to their real life counterpart, wwd liopleurodon or jw mosa?

[topaz shell]

Jw mosa it’s literally bigger than the blue whale I think

[nimble jacinth]

Liopleurdon for sure

[topaz shell]

I didn’t know it was that big.
I mean it’s a size changing mosa what’d I expect??

[nimble jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[charred hearth]

the real question is how big was that lagoon

[topaz shell]

It’d be big for a normal sized mosa but that behemoth? It’d be a fish tank

[twin lava]

clearly baiting but Kai is a plesiosaur

[topaz shell]

Although I don’t get why it suddenly moved to the ocean

[nimble jacinth]

Dude wtf did they put in it’s genome

[topaz shell]

They had to have put in massive whale genome
Considering how jwr mosa resembles some whales a little

[nimble jacinth]

I honestly like the jwr moss design better than the jw design

[twin lava]

tbh they probably gave it steroids for muscle filler

[topaz shell]

Although it’s still whale sized it’s better than the giant dakosaurus

[severe trail]

Yeah ok bot idk why yall tryna fool me

[charred hearth]

why would we try to fool you over damn kaiwekia

[twin lava]

but*

[charred hearth]

your purposefully being dense on purpose so people interact with you because you obviously have nothing better to do with your life

[nimble jacinth]

Dude stop baiting

[twin lava]

Bait level - 1000 ong

[opaque kayak]

TBF in cinema rexy was 30 meters in one frame

[topaz shell]

This is crazy

[twin lava]

The smallest one is even huge tbh

[charred hearth]

it ate too many surfers and got fatter

[topaz shell]

I’m glad the jwr mosa looks more accurate than the jw/jwfk one

[nimble jacinth]

Same dude

[twin lava]

give us actual proof of fossil example of Kai being a mosasaur

[topaz shell]

I’d drop it they won’t stop obvious

[nimble jacinth]

It is a little funny but really annoying

[topaz shell]

Ed size chart go brrrrrrr

[twin lava]

Shant sized ed goes brrr

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-detected-gif-14154991

[charred hearth]

isnt that like, horriblely wrong?

[nimble jacinth]

What theropod is that size chart showing anyway?

[undone rapids]

Zuchengtyrannus iirc

[charred hearth]

oh, if its zuecheng and shant then thats completely fine with me

[nimble jacinth]

PUBLIC EXECUTION?!?!?!

[undone rapids]

Also Zucheng looks smaller since its in a walking pose

[charred hearth]

@candid ledgecan you help us move past the " kai is a mosaur " issue we're currently facing so we can have some new discussions that arent just people calling eachother names?

[twin lava]

today bro trust

[nimble jacinth]

LETS GOOOOOO

[twin lava]

you didn’t find a site at all tbh

[severe trail]

I showed one multiple times not too long ago, cwapinformation.gov

[charred hearth]

why is it named after you

[nimble jacinth]

Fake site

[twin lava]

and why does it have the word “cap” written all over it

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/pong-krell-clone-wars-rex-execution-gif-26976465

[charred hearth]

moderators save us

[twin lava]

paleontology*

do you trust any gov website

wait wait do you think stegosaurs are neoornithisicians??

(If ykyk)

[nimble jacinth]

The Government lies to you @severe trail

[balmy oyster]

what

[twin lava]

WHaTTT 😭 💔

[outer tusk]

What the hell did I miss 😭

[balmy oyster]

Man why was my message deleted? I actually tried to help the guy instead of bullying him 🥀

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/dinoh555/status/1943666177277825048?s=46

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)

A new neornithischian dinosaur from the Upper Jurassic Tiaojishan Formation of northern China

(Pulaosaurus qinglong gen. et sp. nov.)

https://t.co/3PYHmbfW8o

X · Jul 11, 2025, 1:38 PM

[balmy oyster]

Peak

[ashen wedge]

When you have been a thriving species for far too long:
Mother Nature:

[stark roost]

Yooo that’s pretty well deserved

[ashen wedge]

I would say deserved, Humans need to come to take the throne of the world after, although it sucks

[white skiff]

So I’m playing as a argentinosaurus on path of Titans and I noticed that players are not attacking me, mostly larger dino players like allos, rex, spino etc all avoid me. Is this due to my size or am I just lucky nobody wants to mess with me? I know its a video game but just a little notice

[gentle chasm]

Because is the biggest Dino of the game and mods, is a big tank, and does so much damage, and tbh is so risky to fight with and argent

[frigid delta]

Kaikaifilu 😶‍🌫️

[small geyser]

https://www.science.org/content/article/pterosaur-died-belly-full-plants-fossil-first

[winter marsh]

I mean, most tapejarids were speculated to be herbivorous or omnivorous but this is just peak

[fluid inlet]

No Rapetosaurus 😭😭😭😭

[winter marsh]

first how did bro get there second average gpr crossing

[hardy sentinel]

Would the meteor have been powerful enough to directly affect the hell creek with the initial impact? The main hell creek was northern USA and southern Canada, and the asteroid hit the lower part of the gulf of Mexico.

So question is, would this even send dinos from the hell creek flying from the direct impact?

[ancient crystal]

I would assume no, the asteroid's descent wouldn't have even been visible in hell creek I don't imagine

[tough parcel]

It wouldn't have been visible period afaik

The angle and speed would've rendered it as instantaneous explosion

[ancient crystal]

Its a little hard to wrap my head around how an object so small relative to the size of the earth could cause such destruction

[halcyon cobalt]

it only really caused destruction to the surface of the planet

[winter marsh]

the rest of the planet itself was fine

[fluid inlet]

Small? What are you talking about ?

[winter marsh]

relative to the size of the earth

[fluid inlet]

Go look at what an atomic bomb does , and then get back to me.

[thorn grove]

kinetic energy, bullets are quite small but because of their speed can cause a lot of damage

[fluid inlet]

Perfect example

[balmy oyster]

It’s also the aftermath of the asteroid that spelt doom for dinosaurs, not so much the impact itself

Sometimes a volcano is enough to change environments and the atmosphere enough to warrant a extinction event, so an asteroid that causes massive tidal shifts, throws a bunch of debris into the atmosphere and destabilises geological activity is more than enough to kill off megafaunal animals

Can’t forget the Deccan traps which were already contributing to climate change a while before the asteroid and possibly the extinction of certain species

[ashen wedge]

We are several millions of years too late to help it

[thorn grove]

Well I think their point was that it’s shocking that an object so small compared to the earth was capable of creating such after effects, but yea

[halcyon cobalt]

what’s paleo chat’s favourite gulp shitto dinosaur ❤️❤️

[tacit pine]

Cool

[thorn grove]

X-Rex, even though I hate edmonto glazing I also find it really funny at the same time

[hardy sentinel]

"Dave"

[balmy oyster]

Maraapunisaurus.

What do you mean there’s a 80 ton basal Morrison rebbachisaur that’s only known from illustrations and apparently “withered away” before more comprehensive studies that were during a time when two people were competing to name the most amount of things as possible and trying to one up one another?

[halcyon cobalt]

rich white guy vs rich white guy that’s also a eugenicist

[stiff osprey]

Every other animal group: let's start small and become larger and weirder over time!

Rebbachisaurs: literally appear blue whale sized out of thin air

[halcyon cobalt]

I guess pterosaurs and icthyosaurs may fit in that

[severe yew]

for what, to destroy the planet as is currently happening?

humans are babies in the evolutionary time, unstable, and with weapons that can wreck the planet

dinosaurs lived for hundreds of millions of years, and at this pace, humans won't last even another mere century

honestly, do not deserve to rule

[severe yew]

well, when good food is scarce, hell, even bears eat berries instead of meat

[severe yew]

damn, was dismembered and eaten alive 💀

should have stayed by the shore

[hardy sentinel]

Agreed, good news is that after we all are gone, it's only gonna take the earth about a few million years to forget us and go back to normal, before some species of intelligent squid people dig up our pyramids and find traces of radioactivity and tons of fossilized plastic

[severe yew]

i can't find the simulation papers/videos but from what i remember, the initial blast reached over there, and also the earth debris fell there

[hardy sentinel]

Not saying we should wreck earth because it would fix itself obviously, just saying that we're kinda significant but forgettable, kind of like a rash you have for a few months that eventually fades

[thorn grove]

the idea that earth was meant for us, meant to be our dominion, is the exact reason we're treating it the way we are, it's a toxic mentality

[hardy sentinel]

Agreed, I hope that in the low chance we don't nuke ourselves out of existence we finally figure out a way to live with the earth and wildlife without decimating it, but still advance to become interplanetary

[severe yew]

because a 9 mile metallic object traveling at around 50,000 miles per hour, had an approximate energy yield comparable to 100 teratons of TNT (100 trillion tons of TNT) or about 4.5 billion times the power of the Hiroshima atomic bomb

[hardy sentinel]

I believe ya, debris was definitely was sent flying, but I don't think the artwork of dinosaurs from the hell creek being sent flying or being met with a bright flash the second the meteor crashed is very accurate

[thorn grove]

kind of ironic that we have a better chance of stepping foot on mars than seeing dinosaurs that used to live on our own planet

but agreed

[severe yew]

wrong, the impact messed up the insides too, the waves traveled throughout the Earth to the other side and back, several times, in a way that dormant volcanos all around the world were activated

[halcyon cobalt]

We were promised this earth 3000 years ago

[hardy sentinel]

I'm pretty sure that until as of recently we had people being ready to be sent to Mars. Like actual people, not Rovers

Welp, if y'all wanna look at something humans haven't destroyed but have touched, look at the moon.

Pretty sad the only thing that has anything to do with earth that isn't wrecked or filled with micro plastics is the moon

[severe yew]

nope, after the initial blast, a dust cloud that initially blocked sunlight for several months to a couple of years, caused a significant drop in global temperatures and impacted the atmosphere for up to 15 years

any dino survivors of the initial impact; air blast, heat, earth debris, wild fires, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc... died as a result of starvation

[hardy sentinel]

Even most life didn't survive, even the small guys.

Of course the bugs were perfectly fine because of course

[severe yew]

i know, right? some people fail to realize the power of a metallic object roughly the size of mount Everest traveling at 50 k mph can do 😅

[thorn grove]

tbf it was about 6 billion times smaller than the earth but yea

[severe yew]

around 75% of all plant and animal species perished, but some small mammals (our ancestors) survived this mass extinction event, including multituberculates, monotremes, marsupials, and placentals

[thorn grove]

that's also just the percentage of species that died, even among the surviving species I imagine there was far from a 100% survival rate

[severe yew]

yes, very small in comparison but the speed (50,000 mph), density (metal), and size of 9 miles is what made it deadly

the energy released was mind blowing

• for comparison, a bullet travels at around 1,500 mph (crude average)

[hardy sentinel]

RIP Multituberculates, you were so close to making biology talks about mammal phylogeny more confusing

[balmy oyster]

If it was two black guys instead would you also call them “rich black guys”

[halcyon cobalt]

probably

[balmy oyster]

fair

Tho ghyeah apparently the two weren’t the best people, but…at least we got a bunch of new species described

[halcyon cobalt]

imagine if they were both black Hebrew Israelites though…

[hardy sentinel]

I go away for 2 seconds to go watch Arcane and now we're bringing race into this 🥀🥀

[balmy oyster]

PoT palaeontology channel at its finest

[hardy sentinel]

"Palaeontology" 💔

[balmy oyster]

Blame autocorrect it thought that was correct for some reason??

What are we even doing

[halcyon cobalt]

Alternate spelling

[mossy patrol]

Palaeosaniwa

[halcyon cobalt]

Palaeognaths

[charred hearth]

never thought sauropods would pant https://x.com/Tessasaurus_rex/status/1943777896440500474

Tess Gallagher🦕(@tessasaurus.bsky.social) (@Tessasaurus_rex)

Did you know Diplodocus likely panted (not like a dog, more like a chicken)? A study done by @WitmerLab found that sauropods had numerous blood vessels in their mouths. Hot blood would have cooled with evaporative cooling, helping cool the brain

X · Jul 11, 2025, 9:02 PM

[jagged trellis]

tbf almost any vertebrate will, question is as a major way or a later resort

[halcyon cobalt]

why wouldn’t they

[fluid inlet]

Yep it’s very mind boggling that something the size of Mount Everest blasting into the surface of earth at god knows what amount speed and people question the absolute destruction and force it would cause

[winter marsh]

I said the big clump of dirt, rock and metal underneath the surface

The meteor didnt do anything to that

[ashen wedge]

We don’t deserve to rule but here we are

[white matrix]

now that i think of it

how the heck did crocodiles survive while dinosaurs died out💀

[small geyser]

Plot armor /j

[halcyon cobalt]

Slow metabolism and being incredibly adaptable

[sudden wind]

They aren't as active as dinosaurs were so they had less metabolic needs, therefore could stay longer inactive. Also a lot of crocs were small sized and could probably burrow.

[ashen wedge]

The fact mammals survived at all is more impressive than a cold blooded animal, which can survive longer due to slower metabolism

[topaz shell]

People on TikTok saying tarbo invalid💔

[outer tusk]

😭

[ashen wedge]

I think they meant to be saying Nanotyrannus instead of Tarbosaurus

[tough parcel]

Both would be wrong

[topaz shell]

Nope they said “Tarbosaurus bataar”
And used “it’s similar to trex”

[outer tusk]

Idk why but I always get reminded of this piece by Riamus

[ashen wedge]

Nanotyrannus is invalid just like troodon

[ashen wedge]

Dam…. They be stupid

[opaque kayak]

🇩 OMINION Mentioned

[hardy sentinel]

Both being debated right now

It's actually funny that Troodon is thought to be more valid than Nanotyrannus rn

dumb question btw

Why are Ceratopsians, Troodontids, and Titanosaurs all called that if the species their group is named after are all invalid (Ceratops, Troodon, Titanosaurus)?

Wouldn't the groups be named after the species discovered after the initial one that retained validity or do groups named even after invalid taxa retain their name?

[ashen wedge]

Is ceratops an actual species?

[hardy sentinel]

It was, now bro is dubious

[ashen wedge]

Never actually knew where the name came from, but now I know

[median swallow]

Did some pistaco subspecies had large horns?

[ashen wedge]

Don’t know, but could be possible with the sheaths of keratin over the bones

[hardy sentinel]

Better question, why did Psittacosaurus have horns if they couldn't really use em for defense against the crackhead mammals of their time?

Yall think they were display structures?

[tough parcel]

This depends on if the fossil was a hoax or not

[hardy sentinel]

There ain't even an argument calling the fossil a hoax what are you on about 😭

The closest there is to that is some dude said "it might be too good to be true" and so they looked at the fossil and determined it was genuine

If you can present some evidence it might be a hoax, feel free

[tough parcel]

[2]: what force dislocated the dinosaur jaw but did not affect mammal hand gripping and articulation?
[2]: what force dislocated the dinosaur jaw yet did not affect the rest of its skull and skeleton?
[3]: how could the mammal leg be trapped within the dinosaur folded leg?
[4]: how could the mammal foot grip the tibia and fibula bones of the dinosaur?
[5]: how could the mammal break and dislocate two thoracic ribs of the dinosaur, yet it left the rest of the skeleton intact?
[6]: are the two ribs inside the mammal oral cavity of just adjacent?
[7]: why only these two ribs are disaligned from the dinosaur? 
[8]: if the rib breaks are obscured, how could we determine if they are really part of the dinosaur?```
Found it finally

[hardy sentinel]

What is this from? I'm sure there is a response to it somewhere if I know what to look up

[hardy sentinel]

Wish this wasn't on facebook or there would probably be a response paper to it or at least a video

The comments aren't helping because it's just some dude telling the poster to ask to author, people tagging other people, and some dude mentioning Psittacosaurus mating

I can't personally answer this because I don't know enough about small Ceratopsian anatomy and small mammal strength, though my guess on #1 is probably something to do with rigor mortis or rapid burial

[wind prairie]

oh you sweet summer child

also wth I had no idea the repenomamus/taco fossil may be fake

[severe yew]

is this supposed from to be an illustration of this fossil?

[hardy sentinel]

I think it's a reference to it, but I don't think it's based on the fossil

[tough parcel]

I mean there's still 7 more

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah, hence why I answered the one I knew the answer to and explicitly said I don't know enough about the two animals to properly answer

Is "I don't know" not a valid answer to a question I don't know an answer to anymore?

[stiff osprey]

You said there was no argument for it and were objectively incorrect, as there are eight

although imo points #1-#3 are not really good, the other five seem solid

[tough parcel]

I was gonna say, I think #1-3 are not the best but I couldn't remember the exact refutation

[hardy sentinel]

Shoulda said my bad

My bad, they're right that there are arguments against it

[hardy sentinel]

Are there any papers on the validity of the fossil? All i'm finding on the fossil is that it's genuine, only thing that I am finding against it that facebook post pointing that stuff out

[stiff osprey]

Imo it was probably a case of scavenging since the dinosaur is in a typical sleeping pose, and the mammal is biting its ribs, which means a large amount of meat was already missing from the dinosaur

I don't think there's any reason to suspect the entire thing is forged, just misinterpreted

[hardy sentinel]

dang, so no full grown dinosaur hunting mammals?

[severe yew]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-37545-8

[stiff osprey]

Prob not

Although since the original paper is fairly new, there aren't any peer reviewed replies that i know of

[tough parcel]

Would you happen to know if the fossil comes from Mei Long's formation/a similar environment

Could've been something like that

[stiff osprey]

I dunno but the paper does say they were buried rapidly by volcanic debris

[hardy sentinel]

I think the fossil is from the Yixian formation

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the mighty killer is a mighty scavenger...much like the Tyrannosaurus...

[outer tusk]

ong

[tribal trail]

When posting any links to anything, please make sure the link is clearly visible and not hidden behind any hypertext, for security reasons 🖥️

[tough parcel]

Oh I was on my way to edit it 🥀

Welp, the link is lost forever

[tribal trail]

https://www.facebook.com/TheropodaBlog/posts/pfbid02PeJjTgkWLSX33cg814mbgH4Gq5VcFMBjcuAXupqYXaEJpeywxq96RdTScYJ7i6oxl

[tough parcel]

Joyous occasion!!!!

[light osprey]

There are carnivorous mammals of appreciable size from the Mesozoic so you can imagine the possibilities

[charred hearth]

whats the more accurate pachyrhino, kto or david rosa?

[balmy oyster]

Both, might be wrong but first looks like it uses the drumheller specimen while the second looks like it uses lakustai

[charred hearth]

drumheller is 5 ton pachyrhino, right?

[fossil ingot]

Its the Big one yeah

[charred hearth]

pachyrhino canadensis, both trike's, eo, toro and sino are the only ceratopsians that get to or past 5 tons right?

[balmy oyster]

I believe titanoceratops was able to as well

[charred hearth]

was it penta as well or did it just max out at 4.5 tons?

[fluid inlet]

Torosaurus victims

[balmy oyster]

Titanoceratops was not pentaceratops

[charred hearth]

i know, im asking if penta also reached 5 tons or if it just capped out at 4.5 tons

[balmy oyster]

Ah my bad

Honestly not too sure if it could even reach 4.5t in the first place but it’s hard to tell by looking at it

[charred hearth]

why is the imagge so low quality ToT

[balmy oyster]

It’s good quality on mobile

Skill issue

[charred hearth]

oh its good quality again

[balmy oyster]

[charred hearth]

did chasmo get replaced by penta??

[balmy oyster]

No chasmo is still alive

[fluid inlet]

Lokiceratops victims

[balmy oyster]

Real…

[stark roost]

Is eo that small or is pachyr that big?

[charred hearth]

eo is the size of alberta

[balmy oyster]

Most pachyr are considerably smaller, it’s just this specimen is quite large

[opaque kayak]

Kronosaurus and Mosasaurus

[charred hearth]

the reason people think eo is so big is due to its massive head

[fluid inlet]

The reason people think Eo is big is because paleo nerds were saying it was bigger than triceratops without any type of reliable measurements

[charred hearth]

havent you called trike a eotriceratops victim before...

[fluid inlet]

What are you talking about little Timmy

[proper dove]

Little timmy💀

[charred hearth]

mind you, rumble is 5'5 and im 5'10...

[fluid inlet]

Bro out here spreading misinformation like crazy 😭

[winter marsh]

"So close yet so far" ahh height. You ain't getting the 6ft bro (I dont use feet as a measurement so idk my height in feet)

[thorn grove]

paleo memes spreading misinfo gets annoying

[hardy sentinel]

Why are basal Sauropodomorph skulls so aesthetically pleasing

[fluid inlet]

It was Quinn

[opaque kayak]

Barinasuchus arveloi Skeletal (2.0) by LiterallyMiguel

[fluid inlet]

Polar bear victim

[balmy oyster]

Wasn’t a polar bear killed by a wolverine once

[proper dove]

What are your guys favorite ice age animal? Mine is Titanis : )

[frigid delta]

is it true that
Largest on Mesozoic Water: Mosasaurus
Largest on Mesozoic Land: Argentinosaurus
Largest on Mesozoic Sky: Quetzalcoatlus
?

[fluid inlet]

Neanderthal

[proper dove]

So most PoT players?💀

[opaque kayak]

Largest on Mesozoic Water: Pliosaurs
Largest on Mesozoic Land: Argentinosaurus so yee (forget about lost ahh fossils)
Largest on Mesozoic Sky: prob quetz or hatz idk

[fluid inlet]

?

[proper dove]

Sorry that wasn’t funny

[frigid delta]

shame on JW Rebirth then

[warped peak]

Ichthyosaurs:

[opaque kayak]

Btw is hatz big thicker actually enough to overset the quetz being bigger or do we even have enough evidence to be able to tell?

[opaque kayak]

Rip the thick hatz

[small geyser]

American cheetah. Only thing in North America fast enough to catch an adult pronghorn.

[opaque kayak]

I missed the era where people recon'd it as a actual turkey

[hardy sentinel]

That is not true but what is true is:
Largest in Mesozoic Water: Icthyotitan or another Shastasaurid
Largest on Mesozoic Land: Argentinosaurus
Largest in the Mesozoic Sky: Hatzegopteryx or Quetzalocoatlus

You only got the easiest part right

[fluid inlet]

Yep it’s hatz , these Quetz fan boys need to let it go already.

We dominate the skies

[hardy sentinel]

I remember that argument in Backer chat saying this was impossible when Pterosaurs are literally springs with wings made for taking off in place

[lofty creek]

isnt prehistoric planet hatz just a quetz with a bigger crest

[fluid inlet]

Holy L

[balmy oyster]

Pliosaurus funkei (or some indeterminate one)
Argentino is accurate (associated femur getting it even larger)
Hatzegopteryx

Shoot I forgot ichthyosaurs existed LOL

[frigid delta]

shame on JW Rebirth then

[opaque kayak]

Has anyone tried GDI'g hatz and quetz?

[hardy sentinel]

And a bigger beak, different wings, bigger crest, and different proportions entirely entirely

[fluid inlet]

Looking at Jurassic world/park for reliable information is the first misfake

[charred hearth]

@fossil ingot you mentioned

[balmy oyster]

There’s indeterminate material that is larger than ichthyotitan

[opaque kayak]

Bro do some pliosaurus funkei glazing rn

[hardy sentinel]

Is it another Shastasaurid?

Also using indeterminate material for an argument isn't good, because I can easily say Utahraptor isn't the biggest dromeosaurid with just the idea of the Bissekty giant

[opaque kayak]

I remember trying to do a funkei dorsal and got this 💀

[fluid inlet]

I only glaze the legendary perucetus , bigger than the blue whale.

[charred hearth]

heh...they dont realize the true potential of liplorodoun

[opaque kayak]

Peruuuuuu

[fluid inlet]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/02/13/73879509-12364495-image-a-29_1690978022243.jpg we solo

[halcyon cobalt]

Isn’t rumble like 6’6 or something I remember him taking about dunking while standing

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[opaque kayak]

I thought he was between 180-340 tons

[charred hearth]

you know thats a very interesting questions that sadly is off topic which cannot be answered

[fluid inlet]

We don’t believe in nerfs , only buffs.

[balmy oyster]

That’s fair, if we do go off of named material then ichthy 100%

[jagged trellis]

( the peru being bigger than a blue whale bit was using a actually fatally obese scaling of it, wasn't it using fricking manatee scaling for a whale lmao)

[subtle zodiac]

What's the current estimate for ceratosaurus bite force

[hardy sentinel]

more than your bite force

[opaque kayak]

What abt the one with reasonable remains

[frigid delta]

@fluid inlet what

[fluid inlet]

2 million.

[charred hearth]

who has the third strongest bite force?
1 - megalodon
2 - tyrannosaurus rex
3 - who's third?

[balmy oyster]

Unfortunately in this case supermassive perucetus was so inaccurate it made old 20t spinosaurus estimates look like child’s play.

[subtle zodiac]

I wish

[hardy sentinel]

Rex isn't even third 💀

[balmy oyster]

300t Peru was funny but it got on my nerves the moment people took it as 100% accurate 🥀

[charred hearth]

what do you mean rex isnt third...i thought it had the strongest bite force of any land creature

[subtle zodiac]

Hes ragebaiting

[hardy sentinel]

There is stuff in the water today with stronger bite forces than Rex

[fluid inlet]

6’4 and 10 tons

[balmy oyster]

Well tbf he did say “of any land creature”

[charred hearth]

is there actually

[subtle zodiac]

And then he added megalodon

[hardy sentinel]

He shoulda specified in his list

[tough parcel]

This is wrong on all sorts of levels 😭

It was considered bigger than Trike for a while because Trike was used to reconstruct it

[charred hearth]

rumble mad he wrong

[hardy sentinel]

Orcas beat Rex's upper bite estimates (12,000 PSI) by around 5,000 PSI (19,000 PSI)

[subtle zodiac]

Back or front jaw

[halcyon cobalt]

Isn’t psi kind of a butt measurement

[tough parcel]

When using Triceratops as a base, it will become larger than Triceratops

However the further discovery/description of postcrania showed it just had a bobblehead compared to Trike

[opaque kayak]

The humble sachi

[fluid inlet]

When you 10 tons you never wrong.

[charred hearth]

damn orca's of all things? i thought you'd say like, great whites or summ, i didnt expect orca's

[subtle zodiac]

Can someone please tell me what the estimate for ceratosaurus bite force is i dont trust google

[opaque kayak]

*340 tons

[hardy sentinel]

I think bite force is calculated by the back of the mouth where there is the most force, don't quote me on that though

[subtle zodiac]

Last thing I saw about it is that it was 5k newton's which is insane

[charred hearth]

who do y'all think would have the greater biteforce, archelon or udanoceratops?

[fossil ingot]

Random's Quetz was like 350kgs
Idk if Lancian's Newest Hatz has one

[fluid inlet]

Fishy

[subtle zodiac]

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[opaque kayak]

They both are

[charred hearth]

i dont know, i kinda would expect the 2 turtle that uses its beak to crush ammonites to have a pretty decent biteforce

[fossil ingot]

Then again

[hardy sentinel]

Great whites only got around 4k PSI

[subtle zodiac]

I put it in the wrong order

[fluid inlet]

There isn’t no studies on Torvosaurus bite force correct? Weird.

[opaque kayak]

I think I remember seeing quetz was like 250-300 kgs somewhere

[lofty creek]

500kg in Paul Princeton's book

[hardy sentinel]

Lack of lower beak bump Hatzegopteryx my beloved

[opaque kayak]

House docter

[charred hearth]

would azdarchids have any way of opening up large corspes? lets say a hatz stumbled upon a freshly dead magy, would it have any way of gettinmg inside the body and eating it? ( besides the clocoa ( ?) ) , wait no, dinos do have buttholes, psittaco has a fossilized one

[hardy sentinel]

just came across this horror

Cloeca only, don't think they could break the skin

[fluid inlet]

What’s a clocoa 🤓

[opaque kayak]

Its where coas get cloaked

[fossil ingot]

PSI💔

[fossil ingot]

For bite forces yes

[fluid inlet]

How much calories could pterosaurs get from dead carcasses in the eyeballs

[charred hearth]

may i ask whats wrong with psi? i've seen a few people say its bad for bite force measuring

[hardy sentinel]

probably less than 1 gram of uranium

[fossil ingot]

Its something a bit more complicated to explain and I don't have capabilities for it.
Random or Stego can explain it better.
Just Use Newtons.
By PSi Logic Squirrels bite Harder than Alot of Dinos LOL

[lofty creek]

was quetz or aram even able to dismember a big carcass or tear large meat chunks from it?

[charred hearth]

what would a rex vs orca's biteforce be in newtons?

[hardy sentinel]

they would probably need to do a colonoscopy with their mouth to get to the inside of a large carcass

[fluid inlet]

Hatz could cuz he based and got aura

[fossil ingot]

We love Hatz's Material

[opaque kayak]

Am I schizo rn or I remember seeing another recon of a different species with more remains 💀

[lofty creek]

dracula
another huge hatz individual
also imcomplete tho

[fossil ingot]

Rex Depends the Specimen, iirc a 8t Rex was about 45000-48000N which is about 4.5-4.8t of Force in I forgot what what Exactly
Idk if Orca's even have Newtons Measurements.
The Rex Measurenent Given was in Sakamoto's Paper
Let me get it

[slim stratus]

Incredible!…

[fluid inlet]

Aura

[hardy sentinel]

ts cracks me up

[charred hearth]

perecetus would have been to early to have devolped baleen?

[fossil ingot]

https://peerj.com/articles/13731/

[opaque kayak]

Also quetz isn't looking great either

[lofty creek]

lawsoni is much better

[fluid inlet]

Where is Torvosaurus bite force bud

[fossil ingot]

Quetz is saved by the Fact we have another Species pretty much Complete

Northropi still has more Material than Hatz tho

[fluid inlet]

Hatz victim lad

[hardy sentinel]

chat what death pose do I draw Quetz in

[balmy oyster]

Preserved an entire arm, this is amazing material compared to hatz

[lofty creek]

for hatz we have a lower jaw(from dracula), a braincase from holotype so we know the head is much wider than other huge pterosaur
and that's all
the other part is basically Zhejiangopterus linhaiensis

[fluid inlet]

Draw hatz over it as winner.

[fluid inlet]

@hardy sentinel

[opaque kayak]

avg pterosaur neck vert looking like femurs

[charred hearth]

this will be a weird question but, do we know the lifting strength of azdarchids?

[lofty creek]

0

[fossil ingot]

Lawsoni sure.
Then again, Hatz has seen better days

[opaque kayak]

Surprisingly absolutely massive

[charred hearth]

like, would azdarchids ( with their beaks ) be able to lift up, lets say...a 8 yr old?

[lofty creek]

cyro have more material

also check thanathos its very complete

[fossil ingot]

Peak Material

[opaque kayak]

lol

[fluid inlet]

Who the one in the back

[lofty creek]

check nipponpterus

thats a bigger cryo individual

[opaque kayak]

definition of 🦴

[warped peak]

Depends on how heavy they are

[charred hearth]

kid called denis dingleberry who weighs 68 pounds

[fluid inlet]

The kid is Quinnz

[charred hearth]

i heard he weigh's 220 pounds and is 5'10 and cries thbats he fat but does nothing to become skinny

[lofty creek]

why he loves Frieren so much

[sterile trail]

Why wouldn't they?

[hardy sentinel]

That paleoart ruined my day, now ima ruin the art

[charred hearth]

how fearful of azdarchids would humans have ot be?

[balmy oyster]

Pretty fearful, but a well aimed hit to the limbs would render it useless

[hardy sentinel]

depends

British people? Cooked
Americans? Another excuse to use guns in public

(I am American I can make this joke)

[hardy sentinel]

tbh you could render an Azdharchid immobile with a strong swing and a 2x4, they only weighed a few hundred kilograms overall and so you could prolly break their bones pretty easily

[outer tusk]

so I miss fragmentary flying reptile talk?

[charred hearth]

idk, i would never want to cripple a animal that would lead to its death, i dont think i could live with myself

[hardy sentinel]

Either you can't live with yourself or you get swallowed whole by a prehistoric stork wannabe

[outer tusk]

how are you getting swallowed?

[fluid inlet]

You could if it was trying to kill you.

[balmy oyster]

If it was a life or death situation it would be completely different

[hardy sentinel]

the humble Quetzalcoatlus Northropi

This aint even taking into account a throat pouch btw, which I personally think would be plausible since their main way of eating was slowing things whole

[charred hearth]

im not gonna break its bones ( on purpose )

[outer tusk]

3 problems

1. Why is this perfect image so damn pixelated
2. Why did you capitalized the species name
3. Quetz and many other large pterosaurs wouldn't have large enough throats to shallow a human whole ( unless you're like a literal toddler or just short as hell )

[hardy sentinel]

1. Google copy/paste
2. I felt like it
3. refer to image

[fluid inlet]

I don’t know I think that Quetz wouldn’t have no issue swallowing you or doing heavy damage to you, humans got relatively weak skin

[outer tusk]

"Refer to image"?, uhhhh yeah no the quetz can't shallow that guy whole

[charred hearth]

i mean, whales look like they can swallow you but they cant, their throats are the size of bread loafs

[outer tusk]

I feel like people forget choking is a thing but maybe am thinkingly to highly of this situation

Also if we wanna technical here this recon is very speculative design on almost anything regarding this species since all we have is the arm and material from the much smaller Q. lawsoni

[hardy sentinel]

I think a Quetz would be able to swallow a human, I just don't think it would have the stomach space for more than one

[fluid inlet]

Pterosaurs especially bigger ones for sure could do big time damage to humans. Those who don’t think so never seen what the much smaller birds/ 🦅 raptors can do to human flesh.

[outer tusk]

Pretty sure we're talking about can it shallow a human not what it can do when attacking

[charred hearth]

@stiff osprey im sorry for the ping but you seem quite knowledgeable, would a quetz or any large azdarchid be able to swallow a human?

[hardy sentinel]

Reptiles are known for swallowing exceptionally large things and not choking

Considering if we go with your thought process, Quetz wouldn't be able to hunt anything bigger than a Pectinodon or Struthiomimus

[outer tusk]

GREAT now all we need to know is, WHICH REPTILE are we using 😭

[fluid inlet]

It would have no problem swallowing a short man like Quinn whole.

[jagged trellis]

3.5 mike tysons vs a thanatosdrakon
3 minutes
only hands above the belt for all

[charred hearth]

quinn is too fat

[hardy sentinel]

Crocodillians and most Squamates, as well as some birds that lived similar lifestyles to Quetz such as Storks and Pelicans

[balmy oyster]

I mean all things considered azdharchid torsos are quite small

It could theoretically swallow a adult human but it wouldn’t fit into the body lol.

[fluid inlet]

All this swallowing talk has me hungry time to eat some food.

[outer tusk]

Also pterosaurs don't have very stronge bites

[fluid inlet]

Didn’t know it needs a strong bite to swallow something.

[hardy sentinel]

Oh damn mb, forgot how tiny the ribcage and gastralia were

[outer tusk]

Just wanted to put it out there if someone gonna mention it

[jagged trellis]

only if they ask, then you'd need one

[fluid inlet]

Being capable of swallowing something , vs should it swallow something is two different things for sure.

[charred hearth]

wasnt thal , a pterosaur notable for its bite force, only as strong as, i think a fruit bat?

[hardy sentinel]

You'd still need a decently strong bite force to keep your mouth shut so when you're swallowing something your mouth doesn't fall open

Try to pick up something with your mouth without biting down at all after initially picking it up

[outer tusk]

☝️

[charred hearth]

my pizza fell on the floor 😦

[balmy oyster]

• built for swallowing things whole
• no space for anything whatsoever in its body

Did these things really only just eat babies

[outer tusk]

vampire bat

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah now that I look at it, a Quetz probably wouldn't be able to eat a human all that easily, nor have the stomach place for it

[opaque kayak]

P E C K

[thorn grove]

there were many babies at that time

[fluid inlet]

Again being able to swallow something whole aka being capable vs should it swallow it via the consequences aka death doesn’t mean it couldn’t.

[hardy sentinel]

Like I think a Quetz would 100% kill a person easily with a peck or trying to pick it up, but in the end the Quetz would just be forced to eat bits off of the human

[charred hearth]

huh

this would be a dumb questiom, but, would a azdarchids beak and neck even be built for pecking prey?

[hardy sentinel]

the initial conversation wasn't about swallowing vs not swallowing, it was about large Azhdarchids being able to predate on humans or not

They 100% could, but swallowing wouldn't be the way. The most a Quetz could swallow and be full would probably be a german shepard

[fluid inlet]

Pizza on me today fellas

[outer tusk]

Pterosaurs like Quetz and others are not capable of digesting large chunk of meat or taking on similar size prey because they don't have the jaws, jaw muscles, or just the overall adapt of a active mid game ( referring to prey ) hunter

[charred hearth]

why does it look radioactive yellow

[fluid inlet]

Natural cheeses oil, you’re used to processed pizza 🍕

[charred hearth]

im rather have microplastics in my pizza. it adds to the flavour

[balmy badger]

This conversation is reddit worth

[hardy sentinel]

I eat the most basic form of cheese on pizza and just pour straight up cows blood on my pizza (milk is canonically filtered blood)

[balmy oyster]

Would that make rice milk filtered plant blood

[charred hearth]

" milk is canonically filtered blood " JUST SAY ITS FILTERED BLOOD, ITS REAL LIFE

[balmy oyster]

You don’t know that there was rumors about it being removed a few updates back, but I guess the devs changed their mind

[warped peak]

Spectral bat* and comparable, not quite the same

[outer tusk]

tomato, potato but ight

[warped peak]

I do wonder how a large fruit bat's bite would compare ngl

Its less robust but twice the size

[sly viper]

Yep thats an allosaurus

[stiff osprey]

Definitely not, even if the human fits through the mouth (which only happens in Hatz) it will not fit through the shoulders or inside the stomach

[charred hearth]

would it even be able to swallow a toddler whole?

[stiff osprey]

A toddler sure

[charred hearth]

imagine a azdarchid choking on a toddler...that would be kinda funny

like, it snatches a toddler, swlalows it, flies off, police find the azdarchid dead 10 minutes later and the child is completely fine

[warped peak]

New JW promo image

[stiff osprey]

Unattended children WILL be eaten

[charred hearth]

compys when they seen a baby:

[warped peak]

(Unsuccessfully)

[charred hearth]

what was the more horrific scene in your opinion, the compy eating a baby scene in the lost world novel or the terror bird baby being aten by ants in walking with beasts?

[stiff osprey]

gonna say WWB because the novel didn't give us a graphic description of the dead baby afterwards

[charred hearth]

this will be a very controversial question
i want everyone to rank these series, worst from best
prehestoric park
chased by dinosaurs
chased by sea monsters
walking with monsters
walking with dinosaurs
walking with beasts
walking with caveman

[stiff osprey]

the ranking based on science quality and based on enjoyment are radically different

my favorites go WWM > sea monsters > PP > WWD> chased by dinosaurs > WWB but WWM is one of the worst science wise

[charred hearth]

if it was ranked on science it would caveman and beasts right? for the top but yeah i meant enjoyement

[hardy sentinel]

who wins, a baby in a cradle or a little flock of compsognathus

[jagged trellis]

wwb by a mile
you could watch it and it was built up more
the novel infant munching was horror yeah
just not pushed into it unlike that
scene
in wwb

[charred hearth]

so wwb is better because it actually had a purpose unlike the novel?

[ancient crystal]

How big is megaloceros compared to a modern moose?

[wind prairie]

WWB as the least favorite is a sin 🥀

[tough parcel]

The humble opinion:

[jagged trellis]

id say its better because its pushed more seeing well
we see in full what happens while being similar-if not worse in horror bit
and similar amounts of building

[wind prairie]

normally I'd agree but I'm so sorry, beasts is objectively better than monsters (I say that as someone who loves WWM) and if you catch me on certain days I'll tell you it's better than WWD

[tough parcel]

Curious how that is what Random says

[wind prairie]

it's fine really but it's just such a bizarre take I had to rethink

[tough parcel]

Please stop...

[white matrix]

do we have any fully aquatic dinosaurs?

[charred hearth]

this is my ranking
chased by dinosaurs > chased by sea monsters > prehestoric park > walking with dinosaurs > walking with beasts > walking with monsters

I never watched walking with cavemen

[light osprey]

So this means sea monsters is the best documentary ever
A real life blue planet

[stiff osprey]

It is pretty epic

[opaque kayak]

PP > WWD is absolutely monstrous though

[warped peak]

Thats because PP is actually kinda good

[opaque kayak]

It's good but WWD was on a whole other level

[wind prairie]

my take:
WWD/WWB > PP > SM > CBD > WWM

[opaque kayak]

my take WWD >>>> BB > PP > WWD 2

[wind prairie]

nah tbh I don't agree with it but I could see that. A lot of people talk about WWD like an inherent masterpiece when they haven't seen it in years

[opaque kayak]

What's SM btw?

[charred hearth]

sea monsters?

[wind prairie]

sea monsters

[charred hearth]

whats bb though?

[opaque kayak]

Breaking Bad

[wind prairie]

WWB and WWD it's really hard for me to put one over another
however PP and SM are very very close for me also

[charred hearth]

idk, but chased by dinosaurs is is iconic to me idk why

[wind prairie]

Prehistoric Park is just so peak, I don't know why nothing else has even attempted to make anything similar since

[opaque kayak]

TBH It might be a mad take but I actually wanna put SM > WWD

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-trex-fighting-dinosaur-gif-17293452

[wind prairie]

ehhhh that's fine
Only thing I would disagree with is CBD or WWM being over WWD, but even my least favorite (WWM) I love to death

[charred hearth]

do you guys count when dinosaurs roamed america on the same level as the ones i listed previously?

[hardy sentinel]

This was my first paleo media ever consumed

Happy to say the first Tyrannosaur I learned of was TARBOSAURUS BATAAR 🗣️

[opaque kayak]

Mogs

[wind prairie]

WDRA is good, I feel it's only a little overrated, I still like it though
now an underrated series is dinosaur planet (not planet dinosaur). My hottest take is that I'd probably put DP up there next to WWD/WWB

[charred hearth]

i always get dinosaur planet and planet dinosaur confused

[stuck chasm]

Greetings all! Just a friendly reminder of our channel pinned guidelines, which highlight that this is an educational channel and topics such as the plot of movies and your opinion of them, even if paleo related, would be considered off-topic in this channel. Thank you!

[wind prairie]

uhhh hmmm uhh guys I think uhh spinosaurus couldn't umm swim

[fluid inlet]

Off topic how it’s legit about paleontology

[hardy sentinel]

I get Prehistoric Planet and Walking with Dinosaurs: Prehistoric Planet 3D confused until I open my eyes

[charred hearth]

how accurate overall is planet dinosaur? idk it makes me feel so much nostalgia

[wind prairie]

I mean, through a technicality it is
It's like not being able to talk about Blackfish in a channel about orca science

[hardy sentinel]

those better not be Pachyrhinosaurus and a Gorgosaurus

[opaque kayak]

NGL It's a hot take but I really found the PP's aesthetic weird, like it's somehow made of plastic or 3d models and not actual huge animals

[charred hearth]

those are centros....

[fluid inlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric-planet/images/d/da/Tarbosaurus.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20230716040043 ratiod by Tarbosaurus . Don’t type again

[hardy sentinel]

Plastic...?

[wind prairie]

uhhh do what now
I'd get it if you meant maybe like, just the austroraptor or isisaurus, but aside from that the animals look very real

[hardy sentinel]

Was just asking because around that time THIS theory was going around

[charred hearth]

also, rate planet dinosaurs gigantoraptor design on accuracy and how much you like it

[fluid inlet]

Please drop prehistoric planet 3 and 4 episodes

[wind prairie]

iirc caenagnathids didn't have the palate prongs of oviraptorids (which this model wrongly portrays) aside from that make it a little thicker and I think it's mostly accurate

[opaque kayak]

In screenshots they look good, but when it's actually animated it somehow feels less fleshy then WWD, like it's not quite there

[jagged trellis]

abit naked
otherwise its
alright
idr gigantos head but like a 8

[hardy sentinel]

convinced we're getting baited into sending Prehistoric Planet screenshots

[charred hearth]

what exactly is a palate prong? i never heard of that

[fluid inlet]

With all due respect , lay off the weed Timmy

[warped peak]

What's everyone's favorite elephant relative

[opaque kayak]

Oh my god they make em chonky

[hardy sentinel]

With all due respect, get glasses Ronald
https://youtu.be/FNWD6FkSj0g?si=JfIlabo8EkNOpVsO

[charred hearth]

WHAT IS THAT....WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO BE LOOKING AT?

[opaque kayak]

I'm not quite sure how to make it but it's weird to explain, like it's not lowkey there?

[wind prairie]

the giant mess-off "tooth" in its mouth

[hardy sentinel]

Also no matter what WWD project you're talking about, it doesn't equal up to or surpass Prehistoric Planet

WWD is a cashgrab that stuck, you can't change my mind

[charred hearth]

your a woman? i will always support you no matter what gender you are ♥️

[fluid inlet]

Absolute cinematic

[opaque kayak]

Having a cashgrab of accurate for the time dinosaurs and 200 quadrillion doller budget is enough to make it good tbh (it never happened before or after)

[wind prairie]

who said anything about that what

[charred hearth]

did no one else see the woman image

[hardy sentinel]

everything on the screen is CGI, including the landscapes. WWD used actual landscapes and it looks more off

https://youtu.be/C0r5P-PzIPU?si=sxxDesSstyBmAYfQ

[charred hearth]

"wwd is a cashgrab "

[hardy sentinel]

"accurate for the time" and it's literally time travelling dinosaurs (1998)

Also it doesn't take money to come up with a good story, old WWD did that good and the CGI was nice, modern WWD is straight up cashgrab despite going off of an already established and popular franchise

[wind prairie]

It's so cool how much went into the original WWD and WWB. You can see all the behind the scenes where the creators would make footprints and water splashes and such
WWD also had significantly funnier making of than other docus

[light osprey]

I think most media is intended to make money

[indigo cradle]

If not all

[charred hearth]

oh hes talking about NEW WWD okay i forgive u

[hardy sentinel]

modern WWD*

2014 (talking about both documentary and movie version) and 2025 WWD is some of the most low effort stuff i've ever seen come out of the Walking With stuff

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/compy-skateboard-compy-didi-the-compy-dinosaur-gif-3534128817085119992

[opaque kayak]

2025 WWD is absolute garbage agreed

[charred hearth]

how would you gets rate the cretascous cut of the wwd movie?

[jagged trellis]

EH
its a nothing burger
its
alright
bland but alright
an improvement over the actual profile slop of the main version easily though

[charred hearth]

march of the dinosaurs or wwd movie cretascous cut , you guys pick which is the better movie set in the prince creek formation

[hardy sentinel]

6/10

-4 points for the visuals and scowler's design, the 6 points go to WWD 2014 somehow not making you attached to the actual animals like before, and more focuses on the herd

[wind prairie]

honestly no even the movie is very good because even aside from the voices (and there being a voiceless version) the animals look beautiful. Like genuinely these are some of the best dinosaurs I've seen put to screen.

He looks like he could really be out there in this world and it makes me hate him more

[hardy sentinel]

I know of the voiceless version, I rewatch it every once in a while, but in most scenes they look out of place

[opaque kayak]

When's the last time we had a giga in a dino docu btw

[fluid inlet]

I’ve seen people try to actually defend it

[topaz shell]

Uh chased by dinosaurs?
If it counts

[charred hearth]

march of the dinosaurs...

[hardy sentinel]

Giganotosaurus doesn't deserve the spotlight, it's one of the most boring Carcharodontosaurids and basically is just popular because it's "bigger than T.rex" which got disproved almost the next day

[wind prairie]

there's a whole rant video where a guy is just literally yelling for people to shut up and he says trying to compare it to the original is "delusional"

[opaque kayak]

2002 is such a mood

[hardy sentinel]

the original is better for the time and even for today 💀

The kaiju Pliosaur and time travelling bois are a letdown tho

[opaque kayak]

It’s material is like top 3 carchs period

[hardy sentinel]

It's got good fossil material, but it's one of the most basic Carchs out there

[wind prairie]

honestly science wise I would say no, but as actual animals the ones in the original are portrayed more well. Original WWD utah may have been naked in europe, but at least they weren't going on malicious megafauna hunting sprees and changing targets every 3 seconds

[jagged trellis]

typa people to defend a good dinosaur as well i imagine

[topaz shell]

The wwd2 model’s accuracy wise are good it’s just its a bad show

[hardy sentinel]

and the young Utahs also weren't somehow turning over a car sized animal with their neck

I did like how the lead Utah died in a single hit and died like an actual animal

[opaque kayak]

a good dinosaur 💀

[charred hearth]

naked american raptor attacks innocent family of iguandon

[wind prairie]

it was a realistic hit to go down to yeah. Infinitely better than that DUMB scene where an albertosaurus gets lightly shoved over by an edmonto and dies immediately

[topaz shell]

Gorgo just being Alberto disappointed me Ngl

[jagged trellis]

i sure do love, environment show case: the movie

[charred hearth]

tarbosaurus the mightiest ever > walking with dinosaurs

[jagged trellis]

oh god i remember that
i think i have a dvd of it

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[topaz shell]

What do you know about dino king

||There was never a sequel||

[wind prairie]

I remember watching it when I was younger but now Rick Raptor's review basically fills my entire head when it comes to it lol

[charred hearth]

im not even gonna lie, the theri lowkey was just evil

[topaz shell]

Same with Dino king💔

[wind prairie]

aight bro we ain't seriously making the "there is no sequel" joke with dino king are we??.. that implies any of them are remotely good unironically

[topaz shell]

Like what is this thing💔

[opaque kayak]

HEAT AND YUMMY

[wind prairie]

"AGGHH!! GOD that's an ugly design! go back to ripping off chased by dinosaurs"
"-For him... the claws of the therizinosaurus pierce the youngster's body"
"Oh how I WISH that happened"

[topaz shell]

Let’s just ignore how a trex and some torosaurus ended up in Asia

[opaque kayak]

I looked up clips of this docu and this is the first thing I see

[ancient crystal]

What is this

[wind prairie]

the setting felt completely irrelevant lol
iirc it's like 80 mya somewhere in Asia and most of the animals are not from that time or even the place

[hardy sentinel]

TW: Bird lizard f***ing dies

[topaz shell]

Theri

[wind prairie]

dino king is not a docu. It's a weird lion king knock off that branched off from the actual tarbosaurus documentary

[opaque kayak]

That's a full grown tarbo 😭

[topaz shell]

they sold theri design so much💔

[hardy sentinel]

THE TOUCHER

[topaz shell]

I’m glad one eye took that thing off this earth❤️‍🩹

[hardy sentinel]

bro is not godzilla

[wind prairie]

and yet it's far from the worst thing in the franchise. (obese smaug and scorpions larger than tyrannosaurs)

[opaque kayak]

Oh my god it's actually godzilla

[hardy sentinel]

Anyways this guy lost so much aura I made it into a gif

[topaz shell]

This movie doesn’t exist

[wind prairie]

only good thing to come out of this that wasn't a joke from rickraptor was "that poor kid" and the word junior is a lot funnier now
also "why did you run away, those beasts are your prey" has become an inside joke with me and a friend

[hardy sentinel]

Why is there a Brachiosaurus, Ankylosaurus, Tarbosaurus, and Carnotaurus all together on the same image

[topaz shell]

Uh ignore the dragon in the background

[hardy sentinel]

"we got bigger fish to fry" ahh 🙏 🥀

[topaz shell]

Doesn’t the dragon have weird children?

[hardy sentinel]

They done misinformation'd their way to Universal

[scenic flame]

I mean that's not exactly hard

[hardy sentinel]

true, Universal isn't exactly known for being too high in the brain works

[wind prairie]

Errrm... This world is starting to feel a lot more jurassic. I can feel a rebirth of colossal proportions approaching

[scenic flame]

"11 ton ""titanosaurus"""

[wind prairie]

that might be unintentionally the funniest thing in the movie

[hardy sentinel]

"Sir the Jurassic world movie isn't doing good"

"That's it! Send 1,000,000 dollars to Colossal so they can revive a coyote and call it a red wolf!"

Keep in mind I got no clue if Universal sent the guys money, I am just a junkie for misinformation spreading

[fluid inlet]

Please don’t post no more of this garbage 😭

[topaz shell]

Found them.

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-based-gif-14066805759704587318

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-food-hungry-hunger-tongue-out-gif-7425637318660340149

ahh facial expression

[wind prairie]

keep posting it but next time put funny music and sound effects over it please 🙏

[hardy sentinel]

on it

[topaz shell]

Jwr fumbled anurog

This isn’t it duh

[charred hearth]

evil bird

[wind prairie]

god the way it runs is so goofy

[topaz shell]

11 tons btw

The titano

[hardy sentinel]

isn't Rexy over 8 tons?

[charred hearth]

i thought rexy was 7

[sterile trail]

Seems about right

[frigid delta]

have we ever determine Callovosaurus' weight?
how heavy would an animal be if its length is 2.5 meters long?

[jagged trellis]

@merry jewel

[merry jewel]

Bro your not telling me anything new, i know LOL we both saying the same, i just dont agree that PoT cera is obese, its just bit chonky/wide

[jagged trellis]

its terminally obese

[merry jewel]

💀 it aint but whatever

[ashen wedge]

Was I the only one that wished they kept the same style and story telling perspective of the first one for this?

[ashen wedge]

Also, I won’t lie, this is a good stand alone film, I just wish that it wasn’t a Speckles film

[ancient crystal]

Going into Jurassic World Evolution's dinosaur info pages gives a lot of really weird weights for the dinosaurs, but 11 tons for that probably takes the cake lol

[hardy sentinel]

What would y'all define species as?

I don't use the "can produce viable offspring" thing because the exceptions to such like Humans with Neanderthals and Denisovans, and Polar bears with Grizzlies kind of destroy the entire vision of what a species is

I know it's a made up term and nature doesn't gaf about what we classify, but I need to explain to someone what a species is without using that outdated explanation

[ancient crystal]

A mix of the biological and phylogenetic species concepts. If two creatures can produce viable offspring that's usually a good rule of thumb they're the same species, but failing that, genetic history is usually a pretty reliable way of defining a species.

What's isn't a good indicator of a species is morphology, cough colossal cough

[hardy sentinel]

Morphology is a good indicator for a species, the dire wolves Colossal made don't even look different from a wolf

Like aside from some facial shapes, that's literally just a wolf

[warped peak]

I mean there are other differences, but it IS just a new breed of wolf

[ancient crystal]

Of the three common ways to define a species, morphology is absolutely the weakest.

My critique of Colossal is that they're trying to say that their "direwolves" look like the extinct species so therefore Romulus and Remus are direwolves. When in fact they aren't.

[hardy sentinel]

It may be the weakest, but it is certainly still a tiny bit reliable when you can't look at other stuff. Like we can tell that despite Grizzlies and Polars being able to reproduce and make viable offspring, they are still different species because of morphology, which got reaffirmed when we did genetic testing

Not saying it's a good method, but it's still a useable one

[ancient crystal]

Don't get me wrong, morphology is useful, especially for fossils. But when you have living specimens that can be genetically and biologically analyzed, it can fall short.

[hardy sentinel]

One thing I am excited to see from colossal is how big the wolves get and how it will affect their health

Big dog breeds don't fare well, I got a mastiff who is at risk of heart issues because he's so big. Seeing how dogs are a subspecies of wolves (depending what study you listen to) I wanna see how being gigantic will affect the C-wolves

I ain't saying I wanna see em be harmed from their health, I just wanna see how being big affects them

[warped peak]

Luckily dire wolves aren't much bigger than normal wolves, basically just a bit thicker

[hardy sentinel]

even at wolf like sizes dogs still see issues, I dunno if dogs are a good example or not because they're so derived from wolves, but it's the best I can think of at the moment

[ancient crystal]

I just don't understand their end game for the wolves other than to have them sit in a reserve somewhere and just... exist.

At least with animals like the mammoth there are arguments as to why to bring them back, however valid those arguments are is a different question, but for the wolves there's nothing afaik

[deft pasture]

how impactful would abiogenesis being observed in a lab setting actually be for the world as a whole?

[tough parcel]

Perhaps this is evidence they are waiting for the 1 year mark to determine if their edits were successfully expressed or not because pups do not show the adulthood characteristics? (This is exactly what they're doing)

[hardy sentinel]

Not very impactful since the science deniers (which unfortunately make up a lot of the population) would see it as a threat to their worldview and deny it

[ancient crystal]

Well its already taught as the default origin of life in some places, at least it was for me, so I guess it would depend on how much of the world is taught the same and how much people as a whole care

[hardy sentinel]

It's taught in most places, the issue is when kids go back home and get slammed on by their families

[charred hearth]

would megalania be the worst parent in path of titans?

[hardy sentinel]

probably

I don't think there is a single lizard that raises their young and will also actively predate on it

[charred hearth]

amarga probably would be the second worst as just walks away after laying them eggs and says " gotta hope and pray you make it kids "

[hardy sentinel]

Ano probably after depending on who you ask. I think Ankylosaurs raised young based on Gastonia, but others believe they did it more like turtles based on no evidence whatsoever

[compact leaf]

a ton of skinks raise their young, things like shinglebacks are even monogamous

[hardy sentinel]

Is it just me or do Skinks get better by the day

I have never heard one bad thing about Skinks

[compact leaf]

they’re great

[charred hearth]

would sarco theroretically be the best parent looking at modern crocs?

[sharp jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dragon-ball-piccolo-standing-on-tower-tower-gif-13558229454457057953

[tough parcel]

Idk how you quantify that via fossils

[charred hearth]

look at modern day crocs

is this true or false

[stiff osprey]

Bars would probably be the best parent given it's the only hadrosaur in the game

[stiff osprey]

Me when i pronounce my arms

[manic grail]

💔

[compact leaf]

the humble lambeosaurus:

[warped peak]

• Pecks sleeping Tyrannosaurus
• Breaks beak

[sharp jackal]

who do we think is winning the world cup final today?

[fossil ingot]

[stiff osprey]

I haven't seen a lambeo player in months, forgot they existed

[compact leaf]

I only remembered because it allowed me to be obnoxious

[misty briar]

My fav Dino

[ripe lily]

thats not a dino

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-mosasaurus-ocean-dinosaur-jurassic-world-dominion-gif-25648310

[ancient crystal]

With how common ramblings like this are, it makes me wonder how much of it is made up by the person and how much of it they heard from some other source

Like is there some paleomedia out there that claimed quetz could pierce the skull of a tyrannosaurus?

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-quetzalcoatlus-t-rex-tyrannosaurus-rex-fighting-gif-630618273116416890

[jagged trellis]

(wasn't pps about the eyes) like sure a fair few could be a issue...but not from pecking lmao and 1 singular one, dawg, is quetz starting to become the new allo and rex glaze wise

[ancient crystal]

I think its more people wanting their favorite dinosaur to be able to kill rex tbh

[jagged trellis]

you see the slightly busted quetzal mod can heal cycle rex therefor it could irl!!!!

[warped peak]

I do think the point of Quetzalcoatlus harassing after a meal you've already enjoyed somewhat being bothersome, but the same goes to mosquitos

[tough parcel]

Saying that as if this person wouldn't "logically conclude" that the narration meant Quetz could instakill rex with a head peck

[ancient crystal]

I remember people hating on quetz when it first came out because it couldn't kill rex.

Quetz's whole release was a disaster to be honest. Not the mod itself though, the mod is cool.

[warped peak]

Would Quetzal's skull even be physically capable of breaking through a Rex's? Without breaking first

Assuming external forces, not neck forces

[jagged trellis]

yeah, peons, they don't know the az sucker punching power, clearly thats the edge vs the ineffective peck

[jagged trellis]

the mod is cool but dear lord it really is unpunishable w accel on

[warped peak]

I want to see a pecking stress tolerance test on Azdharchid skulls honestly

Throw Thala in for giggles

[severe yew]

hello chat, Dragon has arrived

https://tenor.com/view/drogon-game-of-thrones-flying-land-dragon-gif-16378651

i am glad to answer any of your paleo questions (that i know, of course 😅 )

[zinc solstice]

Why did many mammaliamorphs (Tritylodontidae) and mammaliaformes die out in the early Cretaceous in a time pretty close to each other?

Docodonts,Haramiyida, Morgunacodonts and even for mammals if Australosphenids are true mammals, they died out at that similar time too?

With the non Morgunacodonts I mentioned dying out around 125 ish million years ago?

But also australosphenids are also thought to be stem-group monotremes which includes monotremes themselves so a few did survive.

[warped peak]

What is the theoretical Newton yield of a bite force for Amphicyon ingens scaled to the largest skull specimen

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Antrodemus/status/1944371192426791387

Luigi (@Antrodemus)

Tyrannosaur glazing being so prevalent even in "enthusiast" circles is really getting on my nerves lately because how do you make a meme this backwards?
Does this person know why tyrannosaurs didn't evolve into large, apex predators until the latter stages of the Cretaceous?

X · Jul 13, 2025, 12:19 PM

[native kindle]

correct me if im wrong, tyrannosaurs became more prevalent specifically in north america and asia due to ceratopsians, ankylosaurs and hadrosaurs becoming larger right? and allosauroids being less equipped for that task? or did they just sorta fizzle out

[charred hearth]

i thought they died out with north american sauropods but yeah that does sound like a reasonable rise for the tyrannosaurs

[keen yew]

Sometime around ~90 mya there was significant climate change that wiped out most of the groups that were dominant since the early cretaceous (allosauroids, some sauropods, spinosaurs, pliosaurs etc). Which allowed the later groups that were playing second fiddle to take their places. I don't know all the details but iirc it went something like that.

[charred hearth]

you notice how they all start with a s?
stegosaurid
sauropods
spinosaurs

[keen yew]

So more or less when the carchs went extinct, the small tyrannosauroids were like 'huh free real estate'

[charred hearth]

this means sumans are next

[balmy oyster]

styrannosaurs
shadrosaurs
sceratopsians

[plucky basin]

snon savian sdinosaurs

[white matrix]

whats the most accurate stegosaurus skeletal we have?

[fluid inlet]

I mean which stegosaurus you talking about Timmy

[balmy oyster]

Best at the moment is randomdinos’s stego skeletal, but due to apex and other specimens it may need another remake

[white matrix]

@fluid inlet ungulatus

[white matrix]

can you send me the papers for apex? I heard it was 70% complete

[balmy oyster]

There’s no paper yet, in fact it was gonna be forever a private specimen.

Thankfully it was taken out of privacy so it could be looked at and properly described, so a paper about it should be coming out in the near future

[charred hearth]

@hallow spear

[tough parcel]

Based on the reaction to Fishy's message, Randomdino's Stegosaurus skeletal is perfectly fine regardless of any other specimens so I would not worry about revisions

[slate mason]

megalainia shouldent be in the game if you think about it because it was from the ice age and if megalaina was from ice age then arctodus humans and wooly mamoths sabertooth tigers and so on should be in the game oh and paleoxedon

[indigo cradle]

Almost as if the species in the game separated by hundreds of millions of years indicates that there's zero intent for realism

[warped peak]

If you think about it, none of the AI is a time match for the game except Dynamosuchus, same as the plants

[slate mason]

scientists thought since stegos head and brain were so small they thought they had a second one stored near their bum

[slate mason]

didelphodon was aroud with rexes

[warped peak]

The vast majority of (current) AI is either from the modern world or the Paleozoic

[jagged trellis]

tbf playable wise meg is the only ceno boi
but i imagine its because: hehe aussie

[warped peak]

That being said, I'd love Paludirex as a 3 Slot Semiaquatic carnivore from official

A semiaquatic recent croc bridging gameplay between Megalania and Sarco

[slate mason]

imagine if they added stuff from the carboniverus period(before dinos and giant skorpions bigger than us)

[warped peak]

At no point has there been scorpions larger than us

Pulmonoscorpius is also already actually in-game

[slate mason]

id love quinkea

[warped peak]

Quinkana would be a 1 Slot

[slate mason]

ye but it would be so cool and so quick(quickea haha)

[charred hearth]

well thats because megalania fits the asthetic of the game while a wooly mammoth and sabertooth dont fit the base / offical roster

[ashen wedge]

Alright, time for hot take number 87

Nanotyrannus is the best dinosaur ever depicted in Jurassic Fight Club

[tacit pine]

Its peak lil bro

[ashen wedge]

I’m going to hell anyways, so I will indeed laugh at the looser Nanotyrannus since it’s invalid and it’s the best looking dinosaur on Jurassic Fight Club, even though it doesn’t exist as a separate species due to it being a young Tyrannosaurus Rex in its goth days

[misty briar]

It is trust me

[white matrix]

bro wth, why do people do this

[tough parcel]

The Albertosaurus probably aged the best alongside the Nano

Oh and maybe the Gastonia

[balmy oyster]

Who cares big lizard funnee

[white matrix]

@balmy oyster what about this

[ashen wedge]

Noooo!!!!! Lego my Stego!!!!

[balmy oyster]

I dunno but I think it works

[charred hearth]

whats everyones opinion on cube / compact stego

[wind prairie]

t rex lived closer to the time of megalania than to the time of stegosaurus lol

[wind prairie]

bro doesn't know

[white matrix]

cube stego is peak

[quasi token]

funny thing is dynamo is as well (the earliest vanilla playable is eurhino from the early jurassic)

though most of the new aquatic critters are in that range besides araganodus and technically mixosaurus but it is if you count it as an opthalmosaurid like the model is

[winter marsh]

the plates were fossilied palm leaves

[keen yew]

Kingpin

[plucky basin]

saurus 😔

[zealous ravine]

I’m pretty sure we really just don’t know, cause the record of allosauroids in NA is rlly spotty

[white matrix]

allosauroids died out from climate change using the data we have now

[hardy sentinel]

Why exactly would the Allosauroids not evolve to take down prey like that too? I'd think that prey of that size would be easier any day than building sized sauropods

yo what's with the "❌"? I was asking a question on why this person thinks the Allosauroids wouldn't just adapt if it were a prey issue, like most animals

I don't reckon an entire clade of animals that dominated the earth would just up and disappear like that because of a prey change

[keen yew]

Exactly

[outer tusk]

Does he know?

[white matrix]

i disagree with things like triceratops and ankylosaurus being easier prey

[keen yew]

Weren't allosauroids preying on non sauropod prey anyway?

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but around the time the Allosauroids went extinct, Triceratops and Ankylosaurus didn't exist and had smaller ancestors

[white matrix]

im just using them as an example

[wind prairie]

afaik it wasn't a prey issue

[zealous ravine]

I really don’t think it was a prey change, there were worldwide extinctions around the mid Cretaceous so it was likely affected by whatever event caused that, that’s why allosauroids went extinct elsewhere after all

[tough parcel]

The humble ocean anoxic event

[hardy sentinel]

Not a good example when talking about prey animals, considering those are the largest of their clades and by far the hardest to take down

[white matrix]

@hardy sentinel
"larger"

[outer tusk]

NAH OBIVOUSLY THEY ARE, they just don;t know it yet bro!!!!

[zealous ravine]

Yeah that one, f*cked everything up around like the Turonian I think but I don’t remember exactly when

[keen yew]

~90 mya iirc

[wind prairie]

the cenomanian-turonian boundary event is seriously untalked about. Fauna of that caliber had been going since basically the later middle jurassic, then this comes along and kills so many groups, ichthyosaurs die out, having evolved first just after the literal great dying, pliosaurs, all non coelurosaur tetanurans, all the toothy pterosaurs are gone, prob some others I forget

[zealous ravine]

Iirc those groups really only diversified (or in the case of ankylosaurids entered NA) after the mid Cretaceous event that wiped out the Carchs

[balmy oyster]

Oh huh, @hallow spear do you have the current best (public) skeletal of stego?

[outer tusk]

Yeah that's when it was downhill for the cretaceous, only top at only 6/10s AT BEST

[hardy sentinel]

"becoming larger"

But even the Ankylosaurs and Ceratopsians of that time weren't even comparable to the larger Ceratopsians. It would be like me talking about animals getting larger and comparing a Chihuahua to a pug. Like yeah they got bigger around that time but not by much

The Ankylosaurs and Ceratopsians only really got to their peak around the end of the Cretaceous

[white matrix]

again i only disagreed just because i dont think it'd be easier for them to hunt larger hadrosaurs and ceratopsians
they were well suited for wearing down large sauropods

[outer tusk]

I do

[zealous ravine]

Interestingly “polacanthine” grade ankylosaurs may have survived at least on the west coast with the Campanian Aletopelta

[white matrix]

okay but we're talking about the apex of ceratopsians, hadrosaurs and ankylosaurs, not the ones that existed with allosaurids

[wind prairie]

oh that's cool wth

[hardy sentinel]

But the conversation is about how those three herbivore groups came into play during the end of the Allosauroids, we're not talking about the apexes of them until you brought it up into a conversation that didn't include them

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, we need more material to confirm cause ankylosaur phylogeny is a clusterf*ck but it tends to clade with really basal ankylosaurs like Cedarpelta and Liaoningosaurus

[outer tusk]

Dilo stop using bad words, my momma checks my phone, big dawg

[zealous ravine]

That’s a dream of mine, to find more Aletopelta material or a related late K ankylosaur from Cali

[white matrix]

@hardy sentinel

I think what I was saying is very clear

[outer tusk]

I didn't think it was very clear, because I can't see clearly, I apologize

[white matrix]

obviously the early ceratopsians, ankylosaurids and hadrosaurs would've been fairly easy prey for allosaurids
do i think the apexes of these groups would've been easier prey than hunting sauropods? no
they were perfectly suited for wearing down sauropods so do i think hunting these othere groups would've been easier? I dont think it would've been if anything it would've been just as difficult as these animals were either very fast, very resistant to slicing/biting or heavily armed

[wind prairie]

man imagine being alive during the coniacian. It's such a weird time period. nobody talks about it or remembers it because it's sandwiched between the santonian (the start of late cretaceous diversity) and the turonian (death of later jurassic-early cretaceous fauna)
there must've been very few large animals on land

[hardy sentinel]

That wasn't even the question

The question that started this entire conversation was asking if the Ankylosaurids, Ceratopsians, and Hadrosaurs getting larger were responsible for the extinction of the Allosauroids and rise of the Tyrannosaurids. We are not dino scaling what can and cannot be killed by a Carcharodontosaurid

I agree with you that if we plopped an Allosauroid in with the best of the best Ceratopsian it would get gored, but that was never the initial question

[white matrix]

I answered their question, that was my response to what you said

[hardy sentinel]

Did you think I was talking about end cretaceous dinos in my response to their question or something?

[white matrix]

nope

[hardy sentinel]

Humor me here, what are you trying to argue against my response to the original question?

[white matrix]

read everything I said above

[sullen cairn]

the real reason the coniacian is forgotten is because i legitimately couldnt tell you any coniacian formations besides sierra barrosa and portezuelo

[outer tusk]

May I ask aren't most formations that aren't the big 5 considered "forgotten"

[keen yew]

What are the big 5?

[hardy sentinel]

summarize

[sullen cairn]

sure but like what even is a coniacian dinosaur outside south america

[white matrix]

any updates on the new "spinosaurus" species

[dusty gate]

im pretty sure it was the oar-shaped tail but im probably wrong

[native kindle]

i believe you're pushing my question into a bit too much speculative thinking when the answer was an extinction event, my answer was granted ty insatiabilis and dilo

[white matrix]

the Asian and north American groups they were talking about were all very late into the cretaceous which made it sound like you were talking about those and above @hardy sentinel

[dusty gate]

oh sorry do you mean the species i thought you meant the latest spino update

[white matrix]

yeah the top secret funny crest one

[dusty gate]

yeah

[hardy sentinel]

Oh yeah no, that guy's still locked away to my knowledge

[white matrix]

we need warthunder leakers to come into the paleontology community

[indigo cradle]

Noooooo

[hardy sentinel]

We need some rich guy to buy every dinosaur paper that is locked behind a paywall and release it to the public for free

[white matrix]

bro there's literally secret specimens locked away in some dude's private collection

[jagged trellis]

thug shaker central minecraft server
i ask thee to stalk paleo sites

[balmy oyster]

What even did happen then?

[indigo cradle]

Sure but I would rather unpublished papers floating around not muddy the water

[hardy sentinel]

When I meant locked away I meant that the new Spinosaurus crest boi hasn't be studied too much yet, but I do hate private collectors heavily. Dakotaraptor is a victim because somehow all it's specimens are privately owned

[white matrix]

yeah I know

[dusty gate]

i agree like bro just show us the dinos already😾

[hardy sentinel]

I think the dude who owns the Dakotaraptors is just scared someone is gonna study it and then show that it is in fact, a chimera

[balmy oyster]

They’re all private because there is no “dakotaraptor”. There is A large bodied hell creek raptor, but most of what made “dakotaraptor” is a pretty bad chimera.

[hardy sentinel]

"There is Dakotaraptor in Ba Sing Se"

[white matrix]

dakotaraptor is different as its just a chimera of an ornithomimid, turtle and acheroraptor and the person that described doesn't want it peer reviewed🤷‍♂️

[hardy sentinel]

I think it's a chimera of an Oviraptorosaur and turtle, I haven't heard about the Acheroraptor part yet

[tough parcel]

It’s a chimera of a lot of things, none of which are confirmed besides the single turtle plastron

There’s a large dromaeosaur in there somewhere but the extent of the rest is unknown

[frail swift]

Nobody actually knows what it is but I ask you all does it matter? A large Dromeosaur being present in Hell Creek would hardly be surprising

[tough parcel]

It’s not too large at all, it’s kinda on the smaller side of “Big dromes” but consider that we only care if it’s large

[hardy sentinel]

I hope someone inherits the fossils of Dakotaraptor and lets them be studied. Robert DePalma (The guy who owns the Dakotaraptor specimens) honestly should be revoked of whatever makes him a paleontologist. If you own a private collection of dinosaurs that you will not allow study on, you should automatically lose any option to become a paleontologist until said collection is public

[white matrix]

its like a larger acheroraptor, nothing close to achillo or utah
probably around deinon sized

[hardy sentinel]

I could fw a Deinon sized Dromeosaurid mucking it up in the hell creek. Honestly more exciting than the turtle raptor

[white matrix]

owning fossils should be made illegal 💔

[frail swift]

I just think if Dakotaraptor is there then cool but if it isn’t then oh well there was probably still a Dromeosaur there

And to me Deinon still feels like a fairly large animal

[elfin pulsar]

I kinda agree tbh

[frail swift]

100% they are all part of Earths history and thus belong to us all

[hardy sentinel]

Agreed, Sue was nearly lost to a private collector at an auction

Look how much Sue helped us learn about Tyrannosaurus and it's relatives. All would have been gone if it weren't for money being raised to save her. Now imagine how many other specimens of such completeness are auctioned off every week

Didn't we also nearly lose Apex the Stegosaurus to a similar situation?

[frail swift]

I would also maybe be a bit of a devils advocate and say if fossils cant be sold then people who find them on private land have no incentive to actually get them collected

[white matrix]

pretty sure we did but it was then returned

[elfin pulsar]

It’s kinda iffy and I can totally understand why owning them is okay, but I do personally think they are something that belong in museums bare minimum

[hardy sentinel]

would probably require a global treaty on it, and I don't think other countries would care enough for that

[wind prairie]

nahh
if it's a big important find then yeah, but I've always wanted just some kind of tooth. or anything. Any little thing like that would make me happy

and sometimes average people will just stumble upon these things

[white matrix]

mongolia