paleontology

[tough parcel]

The CoG was not over the pelvis until late last year upon the description of several new vertebra

[white matrix]

how come scotty is wider in this skeletal, isn't sue bigger?

[hardy sentinel]

that makes more sense

[undone rapids]

They're similar sized, Scotty is usually estimated like a bit bigger, but its not a big diff

[opaque kayak]

BTW bro this is why this spino model looks so akward (bro hips are sweating to make bro center of mass at the hips 😭 🙏 )

[hardy sentinel]

yall reckon if Spino didn't go extinct it would have kept getting higher and higher tail spines until it was eventually just a ruffles chip with legs and a crocodile head?

[tough parcel]

There's a point where mate selection stops overriding survival

[mortal fossil]

They are practically identical
Scotty is allegedly a few hundred kilograms heavier but

It’s a less complete specimen so you aren’t wrong to claim Sue is the biggest because Sue is 94% complete (or something along those percentages) while Scotty is a 35-45% partial specimen

Sue is also

Considerably more proportionally robust

Scotty has a bobble head and longer legs but the bulk seems less

[undone rapids]

That might be Spino's neutral pose tbh

[mortal fossil]

Bro would have became Bill Cipher with a paddle tail and duck head

Sentient Dorito looking aahhh theropod

[undone rapids]

WWD prob has alot more work that's not published yet. so could be one of the things

[opaque kayak]

TBF Randomdino's updated spino did one COM model with the thicker tail + extra caudals, and bro was in a normal position

[hardy sentinel]

Speculative spino evolution

gives off "The new dinosaurs"

[mortal fossil]

Tbf that still
Looks more stable tilted imo

The dynamic pose makes it more stable for horizontal, but it’s also keeping the neck in a rather uncomfortable angle, the jaw is open and it’s obviously standing like a crane

I would say it would probably look more comfortable standing with a 10-20 degrees slope which is what most people reconstruct it standing on two legs and more extended / relaxed neck

[hardy sentinel]

I love the Gourmand from "The New Dinosaurs" as a Rex ancestor. Basically just gets more armored and loses the arms. Peak Tyrannosaur evolution

[opaque kayak]

My favorite theropod (carcharodontosaurus) and third favorite (Spinosaurus), what a luck they existed together for these fans

[undone rapids]

depends on what normal position is, if the COM was a bit more forward then it'd need to flex its femur a bit like we saw with sinraptor and rex. But if it has a more upright pose, maybe it wouldn't need to flex its femur as much. Prob wrong but just a thought I had

[mortal fossil]

How big is that Carcha supposed to be
That looks so small

[opaque kayak]

Skeletals are by Dan Folkes (most recent version) and Randomdino's Carch. It prob just looks that way since they are being comped sideways

[mortal fossil]

But how long is that Carcha was my question

[undone rapids]

looks like the 12 meter one, based on tamery I think?

[opaque kayak]

I'm fairly sure it is this one

[mortal fossil]

Ah that one

[opaque kayak]

TBF Carch is only a single skull, and so any headswap gets you pretty big size diffs

[mortal fossil]

Yeah I just wanted to know
So it’s the hypothetical max of Spino vs
A more conservative and average sized Carcha (average as in not by specimens but yielded size using a more averagely proportioned relative)

Makes sense for the drastic difference

[opaque kayak]

TBH it's closer to the sizes for the largest specimen for both, since neither estimate is surprising or exceptional

[undone rapids]

Most estimates are within 12-13 meters iirc, With Meraxes getting the biggest cuz smol head with Big body

maybe they should make one with acro....

[mortal fossil]

The 15-16 meters spinosaurus is exceptionally big and based on a single rostrum as well as being contested as not being Spinosaurus aegyptiacus or not even Spinosaurus

The other 3-4 specimens belonging to Spino are like 11-14 meters

[fluid inlet]

This is year of spino , not carcha , next question.

[opaque kayak]

It's also the same size of a dentary of another specimen, and frankly carch is a partial upper skull as well. And the contested of being carch is also applied to carch as well

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/adrisuchoblaink/status/1924929361427267840?s=46 anyways

Adri PaleoArt 🦖🖌️⊗⎊ (@AdriSuchoBlaink)

Sketches to know #Spinosaurus aegyptiacus.

X · May 20, 2025, 8:44 PM

[opaque kayak]

BTW I actually have scaled Carch from purely meraxes (lol) and got this

[mortal fossil]

Who hurt him
Dude might be called Batman because Bane snapped his spine

[mortal fossil]

Is the dentary accepted being S. aegyptiacus?

I assume it’s the bottom one

I know the rostrum has questionable origins and consensus

[opaque kayak]

It's Spinosaurus cf. aegyptiacus, since we aren't sure if it is spinosaurus aegyptiacus specifically (still spino tho). The same applies for Carch, since carch's syntype is a random lost tooth, and in that case if the syntype is favored over the neotype, it would make the giant skull a new species.

[manic grail]

Its my #1 animal of all time

[ripe walrus]

Spino gang🔥 🔥

[mortal fossil]

I just want to know which catalog number we are debating so I will look it up in my free time and see what I can find in its verifiability

Because people throw around 15 meters 8 tons Spino way too Willy-Nilly because of the bias surrounding this animal and people always trying to make it bigger than it is

So I am taking these kind of things with a grain of salt and want to double check the literature around it

[fluid inlet]

[mortal fossil]

Bro looking like Jar Jar Binks in that picture lmao

That is a weird crest

So that is what happened with the Old Tsintao crest

[opaque kayak]

The current estimates for 8 ton, 14-15 meter spino comes from skeletal artists and gdi makers, and the same applies for current estimates of giga, scotty, cope, goliath, carch, etc, etc. Dan Folkes, Randomdinos and Battlechampions do get basically the same size, though, so that number is as solid as you can get for most extinct animals. (aka, 20 percent size variance technically possible, bigger or smaller, like with basically any other extinct animal). If you want a official size, Sereno made a rough size around 7.4 tons (with the insane density, so realistically 9 tons) for it

BTW, if anyone wants to see more explanation abt this confusing saga of Carch & Tameryraptor and naming issues, check out this deviantart post explanation. https://www.deviantart.com/paleonerd01/art/Tameryraptor-and-Carcharodontosaurus-skeletal-1154808928

[balmy oyster]

Maybe we should wait a little while longer for the extra material from the neotype to come out

[fluid inlet]

Where the new material on Giga

[opaque kayak]

Prob new specimen pls come out

[opaque kayak]

This is Giganotosaurus, btw. He just wants to say hi

[mortal fossil]

Yeah the biggest verifiable Spino estimates that don’t use the absolute max but use multiple specimens were Sereno’s 7.4 and I think it was Scott Hartman who used 7.8 tons for his (might have been someone else I will need to double check)

My problem with 8+ tons is the fact it’s often compared to holotype Giga or Carcha based on the smaller estimates

If you compare it to Sue / Scotty / Cope and Dentary Giga sure

It’s also

I have the same argument when people take Scotty/Sue/Cope as “average Rex” when we have
Actually an actual dozens of adults for Rex ranging from 8.5-9.7 tons

Giga is iffy but the best we have to average is the holotype, since all we have is a bigger specimen in the form of dentary

Well
Unless the new specimen gets published

[fossil ingot]

Scotty is like
150kgs heavier than sue

[mortal fossil]

Hiii Giganotosaurus 👋

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/raftingzalmoxes/status/1924830461295223224?s=46 we so back

Palaeoncryptozoologist Briton (@raftingzalmoxes)

#WWD2025
Is this the most scientifically credible Triceratops reconstruction EVER?
WWD2025 trike appreciation post.

X · May 20, 2025, 2:11 PM

[topaz shell]

I like prehistoric planets baby trike more Ngl

[mortal fossil]

Let’s see who is under the mask

Gasp

RETRO TSINTAO!!!

[fossil ingot]

Tbf
We have more Adult Rexed that are 7-8t which is why Considered the average

[opaque kayak]

The 7.4 tons uses a insane density, which the study assumes is for every theropod, and therefore, if we take that study as being accurate, it means Giga and Rex are 2 tons lighter as well. The study's model actually makes spino 9+ tons if you apply proper density btw 7.8 tons comes from Dan folkes (I don't believe scott ever made a weight estimate iirc, maybe I forgor), but dan's + random's should be taken as being reasonable as it gets, since it's how Giga is above 8 tons as well. BTW, the only def Spinosaurus aegyptiacus is from the baharia holotype, so you could even argue the biggest aegyptiacus is 3 tons. (Although Spinosaurus would be still much heavier)

[fluid inlet]

It’s a pretty good trike as well

[topaz shell]

True, although I wish more trike babies in media would be like melon colored

[opaque kayak]

Ps, a avg for Spino is impossible, since we have like 2 possible specimens which we can reasonable estimate size

[mortal fossil]

Right, it was Dan, I wasn’t sure
Thanks for the refresher, I appreciate that

[fossil ingot]

Thats why Sucho and Sigilmasa are the goats

[mortal fossil]

It’s me
Sigil-MESA

(Shameless 2 seconds iPhone edit)

[fossil ingot]

Absolutely Goated Family

[opaque kayak]

Peak (longest dinosaur family on avg)

[mortal fossil]

Smh poor Camarilla being forgotten

Bro no Irritator either
Blasphemy

[fossil ingot]

You can count Angaturama as Irritator tbf

[white matrix]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ46B8Ftdo1/?img_index=1&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== is the muscle mass on this spino realistic? pot's spino kinda changed my view of it

adri_suchoblaink

Bocetos para conocer a #Spinosaurus aegyptiacus ✨

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[hallow spear]

ehh not really

[white matrix]

how are the proportions on saurian's rex? idk if its just the t pose but the head looks so huge on it

[topaz shell]

That’s quite outdated
Compared to the newer model

[fluid inlet]

That’s a lot of feathers

[white matrix]

the proportions still look the same
maybe its just the hips being at a neutral position, way too used to seeing rex in tpose

[mortal fossil]

It’s probably too bulky, albeit not impossible

It’s a
Probably Possible but unlikely based on what we know

Reptiles don’t have a terribly lot of extra bulk on their skeletal unless it is specifically migratory / winter climate songbirds / waterfowl and snakes which

I don’t think I need to explain how far snakes are from literally everything else on the reptile family tree other than monitors and mosasaurs and even then it’s quite a lot

Edit: the skull is kinda too tight probably tho and I still think at least half lips is probably more realistic than zero lips

[white matrix]

idk if this is a dumb question but do reptiles increase their muscle mass from training like we do?

for example if a rex lived in a mountainous/hilly environment compared to something like a flat plains rex would it be more muscular from having to move up inclined terrain, idk if reptiles develop muscle mass the same way we do

[mortal fossil]

Sort of yes but fundamentally no

As someone who did taxidermy

You actually can tell if a snake that died in captivity was fed live prey or not and

Hilarious example but

Chicken meat you buy in the store you can tell how much it was allowed to move

It’s a bit different mechanically compared to humans because we mostly just

Well any mammals

The muscle fibres themselves get bigger, stronger and more “swollen” unless it’s traumatic muscle building (extreme bodybuilding) where muscles split and become two, but more vulnerable and brittle (hence you see extreme injury videos like someone’s arm just popping open in Mr Muscle America style bodybuilding)

Reptiles meanwhile grow more actual muscle tissues

It’s the same kind of thing where

Reptiles can regenerate lost liver / neuron tissue while humans with neuron or liver damage get their remaining cells and tissue swell up and take the job of the lost apparatus

So yes ripped Rex would be a thing in your example or

A Rex eating Trike or Anky consistently instead of easy prey like hadrosaurs or juvenile prey

Which
Btw happened in Tarbosaurus

We have an absolute jock of a Tarbo which with isotope analysis was revealed to have a favourite meal of Ankykosaurs like Tarchia

While the average Tarbosaurus ate hadrosaurs, sauropods, Deinocheirus and other ornithopods and theri in that particular order

I made several edits because I kept remembering things

[steady rock]

you will survive this.

who would yopu rather be bit by, a large hadrosaur or camarasaurus

[mortal fossil]

Considering Camarasaurus had the strongest bite of sauropods and literally ate whole cycads with the bloody trunk
Which is like
Basically the equivalent of eating the trunk of a small tree / shrub making the thing an elephant to mega mammoth sized beaver son of a gun (depending on the exact species of the four we have)

Bro would grind me up like a woodchipper in one bite

I am going with the hadrosaur, at least I would have a chalk outline to be featured on the next episode of NCIS

[jagged trellis]

2 chalk lines are better than 80

[outer tusk]

althoguht Camarasaurus bite force was like 400kg

[mortal fossil]

I remember higher from a paper that discussed the whole

Camara being specialised to eat Cycads

But regardless

I am going with

Mega swan mouth
vs
Resident evil reject

(I went with Edmonto cause that’s the quintessential big hadrosaur and Para seems almost harmless with no front teeth or serration)

Shantungosaurus looks even more unremarkable as I thought

That’s like
Such an easy Choice

The worst I can see this doing is breaking an arm bone or two

Vs

Mega woodchipper pitbull named princess

Edmonto bite would still be gnarly because of the serration tho

[steady rock]

whats the difference between mastadons and mammoths?

[steady rock]

alright
archelon or udanoceratops

[fluid inlet]

This Ceratosaurus looks dope

[zealous ravine]

Life is pain

[steady rock]

what is that

[fluid inlet]

A dinosaur

[steady rock]

something you are old man

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/snl-baby-today-babyyoda-gif-24545751

[white matrix]

who made this????

[fluid inlet]

@rancid dove

[white matrix]

you do commission?

[rancid dove]

Not me i found it in Twitter i research ceratosaurus

But Is pretty draw yea

I hope the official cera will be like this

[white matrix]

most likely not
at least for a couple years

[balmy oyster]

Xiongguanlong mentioned

[steady rock]

https://x.com/Paleoartologist/status/1924858116903936228 how correct is this?

Hank Sharpe (@Paleoartologist)

Tyrannosaur movement would seem unfamiliar to us. They were using similar systems of balance and sense to birds, but had to contend with potentially-lethal gravity. The lumbering walks of tyrannosaurs in Jurassic World, while more “real looking”, are unlikely.

X · May 20, 2025, 4:01 PM

[tough parcel]

Honestly I'm curious how Hank came to the conclusion on the limited tail movement on Tyrannosaurs as it's completely at odds with a recent paper done on tail movement in Tyrannosaurus showing a less subtle up and down
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.201441

[compact leaf]

go put this in sauropodomorphs

[steady rock]

i wish i could be with sauropodomorphs :(

[tough parcel]

Please don't make me do this

[compact leaf]

I’m too lazy to do it myself therefore you have to, the discussion there was like verbatim

[zealous ravine]

He says in the tweet that he just didn’t bother to animate em lol

[tough parcel]

Unfortunately, WWD2's animation is still jank I didn't see the amendment that he didn't bother until recently

[zealous ravine]

The thing that sucks about this is basically all the seams between bones are completely obscured so it’s just a guessing game

[balmy oyster]

thankfully we can at least refer from relatives

[round hedge]

Nope sadly

[pastel yarrow]

So the paper saying that troodon is a synonim of stenonychosaurus and troodon being the senior name means that it will be renamed to troodon was cut short?

[sullen cairn]

the paper was published without issue but the neotype actually being accepted could take quite some time
it took allosaurus 13 years for its neotype to be approved by the iczn and that was much more intuitive than troodon's

[fluid inlet]

13 years table spoons damn

[scenic flame]

iirc Edmonto's beak wasn't serrated, the protrusions from the bone core of the beak were probably for the keratin to anchor better.
I've never seen any reconstructions of edmonto with beak serrations, and given we have preserved keratin sheaths of it's beak I assume that's because it didn't have them.

[halcyon cobalt]

was gonna say that

[warm temple]

Is it true that dinosaur chew differently from mammals?

Like they cant move their lower jaw side ways like mammals

[scenic flame]

they didn't need to
https://youtu.be/u8ffPhdTk14?t=612

This can differ alot from clade to clade though, thyreophorans didn't chew at all iirc

[warm temple]

Ive seen a video about how hadrosaur can actually move their upper teeth side ways when they open their jaw which is amazing!

https://youtu.be/6Sr5is7-wdk?si=52m-KcT_Grf8I0We

[warm temple]

Learned something new everyday
I always thought stegosaur have teeth for chewing

[fluid inlet]

King of the ceratopsians

[frigid delta]

i lost Dan Folkes' Taurovenator
can someone resend it to me?

[halcyon cobalt]

anyone else think that the main character’s goals and motivation in the movie new jp is too noble

[exotic rune]

@stiff osprey should nmmnh p 26083 be classified as cf fragilis also ping me when you respond

[stiff osprey]

maybe

[fluid inlet]

You had one job random 🤣

[opaque kayak]

Replacement ping

[mortal fossil]

You know, that is fair
I think I made the assumption because of Tethyshadros and overlooked that

First of all, thank you
Also the bottom version of Spino is possible, my only critique is that I think the belly and the neck has too much loose tissue

But then again, it’s possible for iguanas, Komodos and stuff, so it’s not really wrong per say either

[outer tusk]

But there's a reason why Iguanas, Komodos have that and not dinosaurs like Spinosaurus

[zealous ravine]

That’s the other problem, it’s closest relatives are extremely poorly figured and it’s relatives that are figured are noticeably different

Anyways made some progress

[manic grail]

Hes in my local museum

[fluid inlet]

Really? Got any pictures ?

[frigid delta]

hello?

[manic grail]

I think it has been here since april 2025 and i havent been in the museum yet since then but when i go i will take pictures and send them here

[fluid inlet]

Damn I’m jealous , we got lane the triceratops over here in Houston which is great but damn seeing Willard must be an experience

[ocean drum]

We got Calli over here in Alberta (not my pictures)

[fossil ingot]

Undescribed ah Animal

Willard and Adam have one thing in Common.
Been undescribed

[opaque kayak]

Bertha and Goliath moment

[fossil ingot]

Real

[onyx thorn]

Does anyone here know if it's possible to go on from an undergraduate degree in Geology with Palaeontology/straight Palaeontology to a career that's more focused on entomology?
Or does it entirely depend on the course content?
Didn't really know where else to ask but here.

[ionic crescent]

Doesn't entomology require biology knowledge?

[onyx thorn]

Most Palaeontology/Geology with Palaeontology courses are made up primarily of biology focused modules so I don't think a lack of biology knowledge would be an issue really.
And that content usually pertains to both vertebrates and invertebrates.

[ionic crescent]

At least in Spain you can't go Geology → Biology without subjects being validated, and then you have cases where the stuff you're taught in the geology module is half the knowledge you'd get in the biology module, so you'd basically need to take it again (talking about how it works here)

[hallow spear]

probably?

[onyx thorn]

Oh I understand! That's what I expected for the most part.
I'm probably going to try to contact some of the universities I've applied to asking about graduate prospects as and see if I can piece things together from then on. Thank though!

[snow python]

Which Taurovenator estimate is more up to date 10,6m or 11,8m?

[lavish frigate]

Ayee I saw lane when I was in Texas a few months ago

[severe yew]

that spino is so bad, neck too thick and just looks wrong

[ripe walrus]

In my opinion i like it

[severe yew]

but it won't matter if the JP franchise decides to destroy its main Trex protagonist by making it look weaker than other alpha carnivorous dinosaurs

in JP3 it fought the Spino and lost, in JP4 lost against that dumb and unreal Indominous crap, and in JP5 lost against the Giganotosaurus

when in reality, all those fights would have been much more even where maybe the Trex could have won

[severe yew]

for some reason the head reminds me of the King Kong Skull Island creature, lol

[ripe walrus]

Yh it kinda does

[frosty cedar]

The render by itself is also kinda bad.

[opaque kayak]

I wonder if this has a png for it like old spino

[frosty cedar]

Wait, was acro really 8 tons? I thought it was much smaller.

[ancient crystal]

Which is pretty much the point

[exotic rune]

@astral spindle is carcharodontosaurus 8.2t or it doesn’t matter as long it’s at least 7t

[opaque kayak]

Uhh bro varies a lot bc it's a partial upper skull, and people scale it's body differently 😔

[exotic rune]

Also random wasn’t specific on what species nmmnh p 26083 is for allosaurus

[steady rock]

whats the difference between mastadon, mammoths and probably another elephant species/clade?

[balmy oyster]

I think the main distinction is the lower jaw, since mastodons have features that are akin to more basal proboscideans with the weird lower jaw tusks going on (of which mastodon's and close relatives have recessed) while mammoths are morphologically more similar to current day proboscideans

there's also considering the overall build of the body, with mammoths & current day elephants being more long-limbed and shorter torso's, while mastodons were real robust

[steady rock]

why is it so FAT

[balmy oyster]

idk

[thorn grove]

Idk grazing mammals just look like that

[steady rock]

it was a grazer?

[thorn grove]

Aren’t modern elephants? I know it’s not the exact same but I’m pretty sure they mostly eat grass

[balmy oyster]

pretty sure modern elephant don't do that

okay turns out they do mb, but it's not their main part of diet

dunno why its seaworld of all things

[warm saddle]

Ok who is bigger Tylosaurus proriger or Mosasaurus hoffmanni

[stiff osprey]

if you use mostly complete skulls, Tylosaurus is longer (13-14 meters vs 12-13), but the mass is similar between both. If you take fragments into account Mosasaurus is larger

[steady rock]

any pliosaurs or plesiosaurs bigger then both or nah?

[stiff osprey]

longer? no. heavier? absolutely

sachicasaurus, kronosaurus, pliosaurus funkei, the abingdon pliosaur etc are all larger than the largest mosasaurs

[warm saddle]

Who's the second biggest megaraptoran?

I thinm maip os the biggest but who is the second biggest? Aeroesteon? Or megaraptor itself, or perhaps orkoraptor

[azure venture]

Check out this dinosaur footprint near inverloch

[steady rock]

largest prehestoric animal that would've lived mainly in freshwater?

[opaque kayak]

If that nee mega amphibian is legit that large bro is prob no.1 surpassing rhizodus. ( semi aqua stuff liek crocs not counted)

[steady rock]

i do wonder, did deinosuchus reside more in freshwater or the west inteior sea?

[opaque kayak]

BTW, dan folke's old and new spino vibe change is so real

[severe yew]

what dino is that supposed to be from?

[steady rock]

microraptor

[balmy oyster]

mosasaurus

[astral spindle]

It ranges from 7.6-8.2 or 8.4 tons

The different numbers are from scaling it with different Carcharodontosaurids, such as 7.6 tons was with Giganotosaurus skull

[zealous ravine]

I think I’ve reached the point where I have to just say it’s done so I don’t spend a whole week tweaking every little thing lol. Now for teeth, jaw, and details

[snow python]

How long was Meraxes holotype?

[azure venture]

I am not sure. I ran into a tour gude and he said it was from a theropod meat-eater that had a hip height of maybe 1.7 meters or so

Hmm I searched online and Allosaurus I think

What's interesting is Australia was near Antarctica at the time so they were polar dinosaurs

[exotic rune]

And 8.2 with tyrannotitan but do those size estimates matter they don’t match so it doesn’t matter which one you use

[snow python]

What about the second specimen? is 15% longer or just 15% larger overall bcuz the numbers can vary from 11,8m and ~6t to well over 12,5m and 7t

[brave nova]

It’s meant to be like 15% larger but it’s undescribed so who knows. I’ve been told that it would weigh 8.7t

[snow python]

Heared the same thing

[severe yew]

yea, i did notice a theropod shape

very neat 👌

[severe yew]

and also, there was no ice back then

Antartica temperature was much warmer during those times

i always wonder about all the inpecable dino fossil that are still under the current ice over there

many may be crushed but i am sure others are intact

[light osprey]

No ice? Even for our extreme greenhouse periods it’s ambiguous. Depending on when it’s from, there were periods of frigid permafrost development in the Hauterivian and Barremian in southern Australia, fluctuating to subarctic Taiga in the intermediate periods.

[severe yew]

my bad, i meant much less ice 😅

[hardy sentinel]

I wish I could relive the wonder of discovering what Megaraptors were

[warm saddle]

How small (mass) ìs the smallest A.fragilis specimen

[hardy sentinel]

@dire frost Barsboldia is known from a few back vertebrae and is NOT size accurate

Barsboldia is basically Edmontosaurus with back issues

[dire frost]

I said more size accurate And there's a pretty good Chance at least 1 bars was of that size

[brave nova]

This argument could be made for literally everything

[hardy sentinel]

The lack of evidence is not evidence for something else

[dire frost]

Not for thal or ano

[brave nova]

But based on what we do have of bars and what bars general size estimate is as of now pot bar being smaller can be seen as more accurate to a degree

[dire frost]

Also it's pretty harmless for bars since it was irl probably pretty much a smaller edmo with back issues same goes for titan like yeah it's basically a giga but so was titan irl (and the name sounds better)

[alpine island]

Except by virtue of them downsizing Bars from being a Shant sized monstrosity to a slightly larger than Rex hadrosaur, they did make its size more accurate to the actual remains of the animal. Another key detail is that much of Bars visual size comes from its height (predominantly due to its neural spines) and when it rears up

[native kindle]

Afaik Bars is now like, very slightly upsized from what we "know" of the animal. And if look at the majority of hadrosaurs(and archosaurs as a whole tbh), their size varies both down and up quite a lot

[brave nova]

IRL bar is like 11m pot bar is like 13.5m

[native ravine]

I’m planning on making a PoT themed PC inside of a T. rex skull. It’s gonna involve some manufacturing and learning new things for me, it’s about the knowledge and the journey.

My question is this: does anyone know of a good sized and decent quality rex replica skull I can buy online? I sorta need that to measure everything else out

[native kindle]

and in the grand scheme of things, going from high sub-apex to standard apex isn't a very big change

[dire frost]

It's entirely possible bars got that big anyhow

[tulip stream]

Pot amarg is slightly oversized but there’s more likely that there’s a pot sized amarg out there

[zealous ravine]

I’m starting on this fella, a juvenile tyrannosaurid from Iren Dabasu, and for the maxilla I can’t decide if I should use Timurlengia or Suskityrannus

[dire frost]

Like pot does have an issue making some dinosaurs basically be their more commonly known cousins but I see it like this eo is already similar to trike irl so it's fine l, same with titan to giga (plus it makes more sense for them to use titan it's path of titans lol), pycno looks like carno but doesn't really play like carno does in most games, thal is inexcusable same with kia, achillo is oversized but honestly that's fine it's fun and works for its niche, and bars is slightly oversized but could really be that big and is now not really a shant clone (and yeah it's similar to edmo but why does that matter they where similar irl and would you rather have the more popular one?)

[tulip stream]

Be dead serious who would want a slightly stronger Albert on pot

[dire frost]

Why wouldn't anyone want Alberta to be buffed

[brisk quiver]

Spino big

[drifting arch]

I really love the 2020s reconstruction for Spinosaurus as it feels more proportionate and natural considering its expected lifestyle. Beautiful paleontology concept art for it as well!

[drifting arch]

"Barsboldia was a large hadrosaur, previously estimated at 10 metres (33 ft) in length and 5 metric tons (5.5 short tons) in body mass. In 2011, the tibial length was measured at 1.4 m (4.6 ft), rivaling that of Shantungosaurus at 1.47 m (4.8 ft) and that of Magnapaulia at 1.36 m (4.5 ft); this indicates that Barsboldia could have possibly reached within the range of 12–14 metres (39–46 ft) in total body length." -Wikipedia, and then https://bibliotekanauki.pl/articles/20511.pdf giving a much more detailed measurement on the Barsboldia fossil pieces discovered. How would you say Barsboldia scales in accuracy in Path of Titans? Too big or too small?

[brave nova]

Bar is estimated to be ~11m 7-8t

It’s still too big in pot. Its like X-Rex edmont size

[drifting arch]

A lot of people when they play Path of Titans have this sense that everything is scaled down, feels smaller then it should be, and I believe part of that is because of the scaled sizing of all the ambience and AI that throws people off.

[brave nova]

It went from like 3rd biggest Shant size to around biggest Ed size

[drifting arch]

Does Path of Titans have a size comparison chart that they allow the community to view by chance?

[brave nova]

They don’t have one. There’s a video that shows a lot of them to a human but it’s very old

[patent mist]

there is a chart pinned in this channel granted it's outdated

[drifting arch]

Ah I see, so someone would need to make an updated video with a size chart comparing Path of Titan roster measurements to their actual paleo measurements

[kindred night]

Should note that Barsboldia is found as a Saurolophine in recent phylogenetic analysis but its exact placement within the group is unclear. It's equally related to both Edmontosaurini and Kritosaurini and therefore pretty much all the available subspecies are equally likely with no skull material from Barsboldia.

[brave nova]

Most things are oversized for the most part

[drifting arch]

Oh that's fascinating, I guess its not as closely related to the Lambeosaurinae line anymore? I remember there being placements for Barsboldia in that line before in a couple of articles.

[drifting arch]

It would be nice to have an updated visual guide for future conversations in here. I thought someone in this channel was working on a new chart a while ago?

[kindred night]

Hasn't been a Lambeosaurine since Maryańska & Osmólska, 1981.

[drifting arch]

You're going to have to forgive me, I haven't read up on paleontology notes until recently in 2024, before that, I hadn't dabbled into paleontology as passionate since I was 7 years old going to museums and reading books so I'm going to be behind on updated research >.<

[hardy sentinel]

It's the trees and other foliage that make everything feel small, why is there 12 foot tall grass in some area (assuming Hatz is accurate sized, which it isn't). The map just needs to get changed and updated because I do tend to feel bigger when walking through GP as an apex whereas in other areas I don't

[drifting arch]

That is fair, I think with adjustments to the map and just a little bit more polishing on the size ratios of the ambience would dramatically help player perception of size scaling. It doesn't help that we have fantastical interpretations of prehistoric sizes from sources like Ark: Survival Evolved so a lot of people just have this expectation that all life was like....godzilla big.

[patent mist]

gonna be honest
I don't get this obsession with wanting the dinosaurs to look large. The trees should realistically dwarph them.

[hardy sentinel]

depends honestly

[calm agate]

Friendly reminder that the Birches in Birchwoods only reach 3/4's the size they can get to irl and this is only for a few of the biggest ones in the biome

[drifting arch]

This is true, I do believe the trees, considering what we know of the oxygen levels of older time periods and how it affected vegetation, should dwarf majority of prehistoric life, and vegetation should in general be of a considerable size.

[hardy sentinel]

my main issue is the grasses. non avian dinos and pterosaurs did not get to experience tall grasses that reach up to about 8 feet high

[drifting arch]

I think ultimately that perception in the game is tricky, because its hard to masterfully scale everything so that people feel correct when going through the different biomes, but I do still agree that some polishing of the map would greatly help.

[patent mist]

I'm talking about modern trees. Most of the trees people have been aquanted with are regrowth.
consider this is actually relatively small for a tree in modern day
and it's massively taller than the tallest dinosaurs
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384543747284926466/1339027263848448100/image.png?ex=68306711&is=682f1591&hm=70a3339c8b1056b2ae457cfee92d105a1928bbcb81d378210b7682dbd67ad7f1&

[drifting arch]

You know that would honestly be so breathtaking incredible if Path of Titans could scale the trees to that height in the game, but I imagine that would put a lot of strain on the engine they use.

[patent mist]

I assume the redwoods in game are already that height
for another comparison have the nooksack giant which is a douglass fir at 465ft that was sadly logged

[drifting arch]

Oh so are you saying that the foliage is already mostly correct and that its just the creatures that need to be scaled down? I must've missed that somewhere, sorry.

[hardy sentinel]

in my opinion the main foliage has no issues, doesn't make people feel bigger or smaller. It's the grasses and reeds that are half the height of a giraffe

[patent mist]

the creatures in game are larger then their life counterparts. the trees could be taller

[drifting arch]

I can't emphasize enough how cool it would be if the world was scaled so that the trees were of that scale and us the players were appropriately sized to view the world as such.

[drifting arch]

Yeah that's fair, there some really big ahhh reeds in the game XD. I imagine the burrows would have to be scaled down as well to give a perception that the world is larger.

[patent mist]

to be fair there are some really large reeds and grasses
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384543747284926466/1339032510457446520/image.png?ex=68306bf4&is=682f1a74&hm=f09ff06e51ab12983e42b5197c7b1e1a315a6d0fea69d7698263a646d3d22f38&
https://www.wnyprism.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/ARUDON-Scale-Chuck-Bargeron-University-of-Georgia-Bugwood.org_..webp

[light osprey]

Picea Mariana is usually found in continental type climates as well lol

[hardy sentinel]

thing is the grasses didn't even get that big until MEGALANIA'S time, which was very recent

As for reeds, I got no clue

[lone wraith]

I just hate when people say giga or spino is bigger then Rex, we only have a jaw bone of the biggest giga so we can’t correctly estimate the size, and spino was very thin and not as heavy, but the biggest Rex specimen is a femur so we can estimate it much easier. And Rex is definitely the biggest, for now.

[drifting arch]

HOLY--ok I stand corrected. Wow.

[light osprey]

By what metric are you constraining the evolution of grass height? One of our earliest grasses to appear in the macrofloral record is Phragmites

[lone wraith]

There wasn’t much reeds or grasses in the Mesozoic the ones that were there were small and separated

[hardy sentinel]

We don't have evidence grass got to extreme heights like that considering the fact they weren't dominant enough to spread out into fields until maybe the late cretaceous. If you can show me evidence of the contrary that would be amazing but my point stands that tall, towering grass is pretty recent

[drifting arch]

When it comes to sizing, that is a difficult complicated argument I'd much rather have our professional paleontologists debate over and then give us the feedback on. If it makes sense, then I roll with it, but if it sounds really far-fetched inconclusive then I just wait till more information is available before I make any strong conclusions of my own.

[drifting arch]

Not to be a smart ahh, but this brings a whole new meaning to "go touch grass" for me lol

[lone wraith]

Even if we look at the current fossils that have been professionally sized Rex is still bigger

[light osprey]

For the entire fossil record, grass only appears in the fossil record in the form of phytoliths and leaves, neither of which can tell you about the height of these plants. The genus Phragmites appears at least in the Maastrichtian, with possible listed occurrences in the Campanian. The extant species P. australis ranges from 2-4m in most of its range.

[lone wraith]

I’m not a Rex fan boy personally I prefer carcharodontosaurids and spinosaurids but Rex is just the biggest out there right now.

[drifting arch]

The biggest issue with Giganotosaurus for me is a couple of things: 1) There are too many fossils missing to make any strong conclusions of it's preferred prey and size, 2) we don't even know if the fossils found are just parts from another carcharodontosauridae member, and 3) we don't know if the fossils found belong to a full adult. Dinosaurs grew to some pretty incredible heights back in the Cretaceous Period, and its a known fact that Gigantism as well as Dwarfism was experienced depending on environments and forced adaptations.

[lone wraith]

I’m talking about current evidence that we have right now, until we have evidence otherwise Rex is bigger

[hardy sentinel]

While using living species in the genus is a good idea to put out sizes, sizes do vary within genera and vary even more when we put it on a 66+ million year history, and in a time where gymnosperms were still relatively common I don't see a reason why angiosperms like Phragmites would be as tall or taller during an era of such intense competition

Keep in mind I am by no means an expert on plant evolution, I am more knowledged on animal evolution so tell me if I got anything here wrong

[light osprey]

Angiosperms are plenty diverse during the Cretaceous, a bit of a non sequitur really, seeing as they are the dominant canopy trees in places like Antarctica or low-mid latitude forests in the northern hemisphere. Heck, they are the dominant understory vegetation as well.

Gymnosperm diversity and dominance has not radically changed since the latest Cretaceous. Some now extinct clades were present then, some genera that exist now were not present then.

[hardy sentinel]

but would it be reasonable to assume that a genus of grass would keep the same height over a 66+ million year time gap? I feel like it is kind of reaching since genera often don't tend to stay the same size as they evolve (whether from selection pressures or not)

[patent mist]

couldn't it convergently evolve in a different genre?

[drifting arch]

I mean plants are plants, they're always expanding and evolving at a faster rate then wildlife.

[light osprey]

You cannot know the exact height of an extinct grass species from any point in time. We don’t know how tall each specific gramminoid taxon was in the Cretaceous, Paleogene, or Neogene. All you do is observe, in this specific example, the observed heights (all modern Phragmites species quite easily reach these heights) and make the inference.

[hardy sentinel]

I agree with all your points but do wanna add that there is debate on whether the different Phragmites species are actually just one species or multiple considering how similar they are (I went down a Phragmites rabbit hole)

[light osprey]

As of now WCSP lists 4 species

If it were only one species, that would be greater evidence of a morphologically conserved plant, not that the earliest appearances of the plants should be presumed to drastically differ in stature.

[hardy sentinel]

idk why but talking about plants hurts my brain more than talking about animals. I don't expect them to be the same or even be studied the same considering the common ancestor of plants diverged from everything else's common ancestor a long ahh time ago

Basically I don't know if evolution and taxonomy works in the same or different way than animals and fungi

[drifting arch]

As someone who was originally going into FFA back in highschool because of my unnatural obsession with crops development and the chemistry of plantlife....plants are just...complicated in the sense they are complex and simple at the same time. That's why I originally stated "plants are plants, they're always expanding and evolving at a faster rate then wildlife" because essentially there are too many unknown variables on prehistoric time periods to really have anything concrete on grass, but we can go off of what we know a bit in modern times, and that is grass can and will be invasive as a growth depending on the environments and has a fast ratio of adaption given the elements of those environments. Example A: Crab Grass. Ever tried getting rid of that in your lawn? Crab Grass is noted to originally having been small with coarse leafage, but developed a root system over time that was elongated and strengthened like a Strangler Vine.

[severe yew]

tell me how to get rid of the damn crab grass 😭

i have tried everything

.
all the other weeds have been murderer in my lawn, all of them, except a few crab grass

https://tenor.com/view/rage-freak-out-angry-scream-yell-gif-13862580724888342029

[drifting arch]

With your permission, I could dm the solution to you, I just wouldn't be able to do so on this Discord as the response doesn't pertain to Path of Titans XD

[lone wraith]

rate my fossil collection

[severe yew]

yes 🙏

[drifting arch]

Peak, peak, and more peak. I love teeth.

[lone wraith]

Ngl I need more fossils, but those are a spino tooth a carch tooth a crytoxyrhina tooth a otodus obliques tooth a trilobite a Meg tooth some mosasaur jaw bone and some rocks

[short river]

Headlines are silly, would rather read the article if you have a link to it

[tough parcel]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2481409-colossal-scientist-now-admits-they-havent-really-made-dire-wolves/

[short river]

Thanks

[sudden wind]

Isn't that bone from Suski just the maxilla?

[zealous ravine]

Suski has the whole front of the snout and jaw whereas Timur just has the maxilla

[sudden wind]

The premax preserved is extremely small in Suski and at the very most anterior part of the piece. So there I don't get why you connected the lacrimal to the maxilla with this red line.

[zealous ravine]

Oh fair, it was a super rough outline just to get an idea of how they would connect if I used it

[sudden wind]

Okok.

I don't know if you used this figure or not but here is how the bones are connected to one another : in your skull reconstruction, you unfortunately forgot to give your Tyrannosaur nares 😅

[zealous ravine]

I'm aware lol, like I said I was just sketching the outline of the maxilla

[zealous ravine]

Anyways I went with Timur, still unsure on the premax and nasal

Super rough sketch

[ripe walrus]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OemStHDu1-8?si=2ZxiquEZuCy3iOUP

[tulip gyro]

sorry but the animation where he picked up the baby and how he picked it up are bad

[zealous ravine]

Silhouette feels about right

[ripe walrus]

Its not that bad in my opinion

[tulip gyro]

its too stiff and how aggresively he picks it up is weird imo

[short river]

I wouldn't say it's aggressive, it does it fairly slowly compared to how spino is usually depicted to move

[outer tusk]

Xionnguanlong?

[zealous ravine]

This one's actually an unnamed juvenile tyrannosaur from the Iren Dabasu fm

Here's the WIP outline with the preserved bones highlighted (minus some pterygoid parts that won't be visible in the final piece and a couple of teeth)

[steady rock]

what would deinosuchus have hunted more in, the west inteior sea way or freshwater?

[scenic flame]

I would image fresh water mostly or exclusively

[steady rock]

what makes you say exclusively?

[fossil ingot]

No idea
We just know he liked Turtle.
Plus iirc Deino lived in a Time with a Big Mosasaurid.
I think Tylo?
I forgot lol

[opaque kayak]

it did live with me boi tylo but idk what species

[sudden wind]

That's so Megalosaur like lol

Very guy

[sudden wind]

We know that it was an estuarine specie iirc capable of tolerating saltwater.

It also had salt glands :
https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-025-07653-4

[lone wraith]

They didn’t bring back dire wolfs they genetically Fd a gray wolf to make it look like a dire wolf

[wet crane]

You know I'm not an expert but hasn't pycno been reclassified to be closer to carno since it's release to the game?

[lone wraith]

New skin pack

Sorry, wrong chat

[fluid inlet]

Wrong chat bud

[lone wraith]

Uh oh wrong chat

[steady rock]

you really went from actual art to ai art

[harsh forge]

could pseudosuchians have filamentous integument

[halcyon cobalt]

“Woodland” and it has a fully aquatic marine reptile

[plucky basin]

random question, but did anybody else think that allosaurus was the ancestor of carcharodontosaurids?

[tough parcel]

You and the entirety of the paleontological community for a while

[warped peak]

Technically, genetic and phylogenetic evidence has it as possible. But we also have no evidence actually in favor of it either

Just that based off of traits in crocodiles, we cannot entirely write off the possibility

[fluid inlet]

Does anyone think megalosaurus were the ancestor of spinosaurids or just me 🤨

[warped peak]

Megalosaurs being ancestral to Spinosaurs is an accepted phylogenetic placement

[plucky basin]

alr, im not the only delusional one here

[warm saddle]

Is there no mass estimate?

[wet crane]

Quick question were is pycno in relation to the rest of the abelisaur's?

[warped peak]

Pretty undecided, but probably not a Majungasaurine

[wet crane]

Yeah I kept hearing people saying carno was it's closest relative but that couldn't be right cause of the limited info we have on it ty

[warped peak]

It's currently in the same Tribe as Carno, but there's not a ton of evidence either

[outer tusk]

250kg

[wet crane]

Isn't the only specimen we have just a few vertibre and a femur

[steady rock]

how accurate is the shoni mod?

[warm saddle]

Thanks kuitaran

[wet crane]

Looks pretty spot on to me

[halcyon cobalt]

holy peepers

[stiff osprey]

those eyes are way too big

[white matrix]

fins too long, eyes too big, headshape is a bit square, bottom jaw should be bigger

[opaque kayak]

interesting ahh animal

[steady rock]

are we playing spot the difference

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe they thought the sclerotic rings were the outline of the pupil?

[white matrix]

looks like it tbh

[opaque kayak]

I'm actually not sure how legit the rib recon here is

[wind prairie]

why is your pfp AI
I can help you find triceratops paleoart that is good pfp material dude

[steady rock]

because him and another dude find it funny sadly

[dire frost]

I will say that I greatly appreciate that most path dinos are relatively size accurate (with the exception of achillo and thal)

[rigid hemlock]

dang shoni is one chonky ichythosaur XD

[dire frost]

Nearly blue whale sized if I remember right

[rigid hemlock]

jeez!!! that’s insane

[balmy oyster]

Not even close, ichthyotitan is the giant whale sized one

[severe yew]

i think the media is who first claimed that, because anyone who read the original paper would know it was just modified gray wolfs, lol

almost always the media (average person) have no f clue what they are talking about

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-chew-chewing-big-eyes-wide-eyes-gif-15447814614438144369

[opaque kayak]

Hmm shasta

[dire frost]

Mb got them mixed up then

[loud knoll]

0/10

[wet crane]

Ah yes the sea blimp a butiful creature

[hardy sentinel]

Why is Edmontosaurus in the past referred to as Anatosaurus? What's the history on that or is it just as simple as not being seen as the same genus as Edmontosaurus regalis until relatively recently?

[thorn grove]

edmontosaurus taxonomic history is such a mess, anatosaurus is just the tip of the ice berg

[fluid inlet]

It has the same eyes as your pfp

[sudden wind]

Aren't they sister to Megalosauridae? Otherwise Megalosauridae wouldn't be an actual family and be a sort of grading group.

So, Megalosaurs in the strict term wouldn't be the ancestors of Spinosaurs, but Spinosaur ancestors would have been quite Megalosaur like as they are each other's closest relatives.

[lone wraith]

Rude mango, my fossil collection is amazing ur jealous.

Any1 know if melons were around by the late cretaceous? I keep seeing them in paleo art

[zealous ravine]

Iirc they’re sister to megalosaurids, so not an ancestral relationship really

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, though it’s not impossible that changes (see lagerpetids), I doubt it will

[storm heron]

Im curious at what point do pseudosuchians loose feathers.

[runic rover]

Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
JWR Spinosaurus:

[lapis yarrow]

The dg

[lapis yarrow]

Still unpacking my stuff from my move im about 30% done unfortunately the shart vert on the bottom right didn't make it

[opaque kayak]

Paleo equivalent of flexing a Rolex + Lambo

[lapis yarrow]

Based

Wait till I show you my prognathodon skull. Prepping it atm

[frigid delta]

excuse me
anybody still fw Alpkarakush?

[lapis yarrow]

No idea what that is

[frigid delta]

i beg u pardon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpkarakush

[lapis yarrow]

Thought that was a youtubers name for their chanell LOL

I'll read up on it and get back to you. I do have some material from Kyrgyzstan.

[manic grail]

I guess the mods got jealous lol. Yo @bitter oasis let me gift you nitro

[bitter oasis]

@manic grail Please keep on the topic of the channel, thank you! this would be better discussed in direct messages

[manic grail]

Alright my bad. I'll dm you

Didnt work either so i guess thats a rejection

People dont even accept my gifts, no wonder all my job applications get rejected

[lapis yarrow]

I feel bad i would accept otherwise

[spare knot]

Is anyone else excited for the new Walking with Dinosaurs in 2 days, Im looking forwards to their spinosaurus depiction

[opaque kayak]

I’m always open for nitro

[manic grail]

Lets gooo. But just to make sure, discord says it wont work if you have subscribed to nitro in the last 12 months

I dont know discord too well so i dont know if the effects in your profile picture are from nitro or not

[lone wraith]

Safe some for the rest of us lol

[warped peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathoftitans/s/2uFjjtaXC3

Obviously claims of 90mph Carcharodontosaurus are wrong, but where would they even come from?

I don't think any paper has ever gotten anywhere near close to that, even in Km/h

[sudden wind]

Afaik all phylogenetic analysis keep them monophyletic, same for lagerpetids which are sister to Pterosaurs except in Garcia and Müller et al. 2025, which I unfortunately didn't read

[plucky basin]

could someone show me which parts of the anomalocaris are good to eat (dont ask any questions)

[halcyon cobalt]

Probably the meat

[plucky basin]

thats kinda what im asking, which part is the meat

[halcyon cobalt]

the soft tissue under the carapace

[plucky basin]

what about the lateral flaps?

[halcyon cobalt]

You should know better than to argue with “experts” on reddit

[warped peak]

Oh I know, I am just genuinely curious if there's ever been a paper to propose a fraction of that

[stiff osprey]

There is not. Fastest speed estimate ever given to a carch was 31 mph for Giganotosaurus

Even then it would be breaking its own legs, and if it were to fall at that speed it would probably shatter every bone in its body

[tough parcel]

And yet Barry Allen is perfectly fine...

[undone rapids]

Evidence the Speed Force existed in Mesozoic?

[stiff osprey]

Barry Allen is not a Giganotosaurus, duh

[undone rapids]

Wasn't there a Comic that had DC heros turn into Dinosaurs(nvm it was Marvel)

[tulip dove]

90 mph

[tough parcel]

My name is Baryonyx...and I'm the fastest theropod alive...

[tulip dove]

If Carcharodontosaurids could reach 90 mph...
What does this mean for the stuff like Jane and the ornithomimosaurids...

[thorn grove]

that they were inferior to the glorious uberdino carcharodontosaurids

[lusty holly]

Realistic

[balmy oyster]

200 mph elaphrosaur

[lofty creek]

Do yall guys agree that Hatz need a muuuuch thicker neck for its TLC?

[stiff osprey]

Thicker neck sure, to that degree? absolutely not. Neither of those animals could fly lol

(although the one on the left looks like it's a giant throat pouch rather than muscle, which is better)

[plucky basin]

its not getting one, im pretty sure

[outer tusk]

Why do people feel like the recon on the left is what Hatz is "suppose" to look like when we have almsot jack CRAP of the original animal ,yet soft tissue could yelid some kind of thicker neck but not to the extent of that image

[hardy sentinel]

Because it was an island hunter which had to swallow animals whole or eat from them one bite at time. A big neck and gullet is much more plausible than a skinny one, my issue is that it's not shown on other azhdarchids which most likely did the same

[stiff osprey]

A thick neck is pointless when the stomach is smaller than a human torso and cannot expand like a snake's, any large prey swallowed would get stuck in the chest and choke the hatz. Azhdarchids ate prey whole because they ate small prey (less than 20kg on average)

[outer tusk]

^

Not to mention AGAIN it's known from pretty crappy remains not to mention as stated by Randomdinos these guys could've swallowed small prey but where globbing down prey similar in fashion to a pelican or Cormorant

[steady rock]

hatz so washed it cant even open up a magy corspe on its own

[topaz shell]

Isn’t this like basically all we have of hatz?

[plucky basin]

"honey, wake up! new elasmosaurid just dropped!!"

[outer tusk]

Yes like the actual material

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, Funny animal

[zealous ravine]

I did a thing

[steady rock]

i forget alectrosaurus exists tbh, great job btw!

[plucky basin]

which one is it

[fossil ingot]

You can see the names below
But Hatz is the 3rd Tallest there

[steady rock]

is it true we have a european quetz or nah?

[plucky basin]

thats why i asked you, i cant read

[warm temple]

In game hatz is fineeee it just the land posture and locomotion that are bad

Sploinky neck

[warm temple]

Is this kind of posture actually more plausible for giant azhdarchid? I thought they held their body much upright like the php quetz

[winter marsh]

noodle foodle

[severe yew]

say what?

you would be surprised what nature can do, bro

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t think azhdarchids could open their jaws like that

[stiff osprey]

i would not be surprised because i know that unlike azhdarchids, fish eating birds have stomachs larger than their mouths

if you scale a bird and a pterosaur to the same body size, the pterosaur's head will be twice as big or more. that doesn't mean the pterosaur ate prey twice as big as the bird does, because they have the same stomach size

[halcyon cobalt]

this is why birds are better

[fluid inlet]

Pretty easy question

[steady rock]

when did amargas galloping get debunked btw?

[stiff osprey]

for some reason i didnt read the stegosaurus has neck armor one and was like wow why did quinnz post all fake statements

[steady rock]

which fake one would you say is most beliveable?

[stiff osprey]

given my current knowledge kaiwhekea being australian is the most believable because i did not remember where it was from and new zealand is basically australia anyway

[steady rock]

did you know the only reason they picked kai is because they thought it was australian?

[zealous ravine]

Hot take but Appalachian tyrannosaurs are underrated (Ignore the fact that it’s two species known from super fragmentary remains lmao)

[steady rock]

how much protection would the stegosaurus neck armor really provide?

[halcyon cobalt]

small city block level

[stiff osprey]

imo it probably was more useful in helping it push through spiky leaves and branches than as an antipredator defense

it's not like giant sloths which are mostly facing predators 1/10th their size

any predator big enough to chance attacking a stego could bite through that chainmail pretty easily

[stiff osprey]

if we were talking about a cat or such that would make sense but somehow i doubt allosaurus was sliding underneath a stego to grab its throat

[steady rock]

wouldnt its jaws very easily be able to grab its neck? the armor not letting the lower jaw get a good grip?

[stiff osprey]

the tips of the teeth would pierce the space between osteoderms (which are individually very small) and be able to grip anyways

the neck plates would actually be a better defense against a neck grip since they are placed at the angle a predator would attack from

sure, a bite to the neck will probably break the plates fairly easily, but that's better than being bitten directly in the throat and dying

[warm temple]

I like to imagine stego always tuck their neck between their legs when faced with predator

[steady rock]

would that even be anatomy possible?

[stiff osprey]

not tucking between the legs exactly but stego's neck has a lot of downward mobility

even something like this which is well under the maximum would still be helpful in protecting the neck

[steady rock]

ooh okay

[stiff osprey]

every day i ask god why doesnt stego keep sophie proportions until adulthood

long necked long tailed plate dragon looks so much cooler than Cube

[warm temple]

Being cube is the evolutionary peak of defense mechanism

[hallow spear]

i mean, we dont exactly know adult proportions since all the "adult" specimens have 4 different pairs of estimates all likely being the result of how its measured

[stiff osprey]

roadkill is definitely cube though so either the animal has insane ind.variation or the adult is Even More Cube

[hallow spear]

i think thats to do with scaling from sophie

since its just stretching it vertically, although thats not all i think is wrong with roadkill

I think it'd be far better if roadkill was just, adequately figured it has what, one anteriormost dorsal in a good enough view to use?

[stiff osprey]

we know the vertebrae aren't crushed lengthwise due to the pose in which they preserved

roadkill just genuinely has 50% taller verts proportionally

best you can do is make the spine more horizontal which only makes it about 2% less cube

[hallow spear]

I think roadkill can be fixed with rearticuklation of the spine & using limb proportions that use the "best fit" formula (and by that i mean use the measurement pairs that fit that)

[hallow spear]

i might try and edit dempseys sophie scan into roadkill proportions, since its quite good quality

[steady rock]

do it!

[hallow spear]

ill probably use the same scaling you used, n see how it looks with that since its like genuinely rlly good quality

n since the anterior cervicals and likely the first 2 anterior dorsals judging from the description, ill probably pose the neck like dempseys skeletal since it looks cool & seems more plausible for a natural pose

it is a shame that Sophies hind limb elements are crushed/flattened though

[stiff osprey]

that neck is NOT in neutral pose 😭

[hallow spear]

according to dempsey it is
also i was talking about his skeletal depiction not the image above, that is supposedly a neutral pose for the paper

[stiff osprey]

neutral in this context means as straight as possible, not the animal's life pose

you can tell because animals don't hold their knees and elbows at a 180 degree angle

[hallow spear]

no i know that thats why the neck i was reffering to is like this https://x.com/Sketchy_raptor/status/1410735263085588481

Dr Matt Dempsey (@Sketchy_raptor)

Stegosaurus stenops skeletals, the holotype (USNM 4934, top) and Sophie (NHMUK PV R36730, bottom).

Between them we have a mostly complete picture of S. stenops, but the holotype is a little bit mashed and jumbled, and it took the description of Sophie to work out what was what.

X · Jul 1, 2021, 11:01 PM

[stiff osprey]

oh that one is fine

[hallow spear]

albeit he didnt fix the crushing of the anterior cervicals or dorsal
the scan of the cervicals i got really shows how f-ed up they are 😭

[fluid inlet]

Has anyone done a skeletal on apex

[hallow spear]

not possible, yet
i have a low quality scan and measured some bones, but its not possible still yet

[balmy oyster]

No because it’s not released

[outer tusk]

Stego, is my Stegosaurus missing anything to be a proper Stegosaurus?

[steady rock]

its butt is too flat

[balmy oyster]

Legs too short, especially front ones

[fluid inlet]

Jesus

[thorn grove]

an attractive specimen

wait

[hardy sentinel]

@woeful falcon

[woeful falcon]

Just gonna say this here also before I get dunked for not mentioning it lol:

I don't got it on me, but like I said it's still contended as there's another paper that came after for arguing their separation

[hardy sentinel]

If you can find it (google scholar helps but be sure to type in the species name after Miragaia) please tell me. I am currently reading a paper on Miragaia so I will return shortly to inform

[woeful falcon]

I would just look up dacen and mira papers from the past couple years that say something like "new specimen of dacentrurus" whatever what have you. I can't be bothered to look for em right now.

I'm sure someone here knows the papers I'm referring to and can provide eventually

[steady rock]

can anyone identify the species/formation in the first image?

[warm temple]

There's stegouros

[woeful falcon]

I see what looks like a Stegouros, some unenlagiine, and a megaraptoran.

[hardy sentinel]

Dorotea Formation since Stegouros

[steady rock]

how can you tell its stegouros spefically? arent Parankylosauria mostly identified from their tails or am i just confused?

[warm temple]

Chorillo formation considering megaraptoran

[woeful falcon]

Way it looks. But if it's not stegouros then its restored off of it

[hardy sentinel]

Because I found the paper that says it's Stegouros in the drawing

https://www.jsg.utexas.edu/news/2023/01/fossils-reveal-dinosaurs-of-prehistoric-patagonia/

[steady rock]

oh alright

[woeful falcon]

Pleases me we all recognized the stegouros

[steady rock]

its a lil baby

[woeful falcon]

Here's one of em
https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/zoolinnean/zlae074/7696911

[tough parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2ftzlac34

[woeful falcon]

There's the other thing probably

3 daya ago jeesh. I thought there was something else about it from a month ago or so

[hardy sentinel]

gotta sign up to actually look at the paper, darn these companies. Gimme a sec

[tough parcel]

I think that was the pre-print/abstract release

[stiff osprey]

Yooo they found a third smaller Miragaia specimen

The minigaia

[hardy sentinel]

Ope nevermind, gotta purchase the article, looking at the abstract ain't good enough for me

[woeful falcon]

Ahh that's prolly it yeah

Dacentrurus longicollum

[hardy sentinel]

Gotta love it when companies gatekeep knowledge behind a subscription. Can't even do basic research for free unless i'm a research institution

[tough parcel]

Have you tried SciHub

[hardy sentinel]

ain't got the document for free

[woeful falcon]

Their world is about to open

Sometimes I just try a different site for the same paper, and it will just be public lol. I think it was Thyreosaurus's description I ran into that

[stiff osprey]

Scihub is useless for anything after 2023 💔

[tough parcel]

Get to work Random! Use your connections in Big Paleo to help us...

[hardy sentinel]

Someone should lowkey break into oxford and upload the Dacentrurus 2025 taxonomy paper for free

I'd certainly go to jail for free knowledge since my education system is failing me (United States moment) and so I gotta go looking elsewhere

[woeful falcon]

Whenever a new paper comes out and I don't download it while I can, I kick myself in the head later

Because then I have to ask people for it. People are GROSS

[hardy sentinel]

I should lowkey get hella rich, buy all gatekept dinosaur papers then start an archive of all current dinosaur genera, then upload it to the internet for free

And THEN i'd move onto Pterosaurs right after shaving off 20 years of my life on the previous project

If my life's work is helping Avemetarsalia research become free then so kill me i'll do it, 2088 extinct genera (and expanding) will all be successfully logged on all papers I can possibly find (ts is gonna take me 80 years, possibly 6 generations, and millions of dollars)

Do I start from Megalosaurus and go in order of discovery or do I start at "Aardonyx" and go in alphabetical order

[warped peak]

Oooh that's a tough one

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-fearsome-mc-mv-monsterverse-gif-10334811464905368391

a proper stegosaurus would be bipedal

[hardy sentinel]

I hope you aren't serious

[hardy sentinel]

Make the plates more diamond shaped and less triangular. Then make the plates in a pattern like this, with one set of plates on one side and one on the other with all plates being able to be seen from the side

The plates are the only issue here (which is seen in other paleo artist's interpretations of Stego) but otherwise it's really up to date, especially the neck scales

[severe yew]

if needed to get the top leaves to eat 🍃

[hardy sentinel]

Good thing Stego wasn't a high tree browser like a certain someone

[balmy oyster]

If miragaia was still synonymous with dacent, would dacent be

megagaia?

[fluid inlet]

1 more day until wwd 2 comes out

[fossil ingot]

Peak Father

[manic grail]

Im most excited for spino

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops for me

[robust jay]

How much did Pamelaria weigh?

[severe yew]

thank you

[brave stump]

Is this Thalassodromeus accurate ?

[bitter quest]

Has anyone tried to measure tyrannotitan using the new acro weight method?

[outer tusk]

yeah

[frigid delta]

how heavy is Velafrons?

[fluid inlet]

Heavy

https://x.com/michel_elia/status/1926209927862792198?s=46

[frail robin]

Pretty much yeah, the wings fold correctly, it has an appropriate amount of pycnofibers and the skull shape generally looks good

[brave stump]

What’s pycnofibers ?

@frail robin I have this picture too

[sharp dragon]

It's the term used for pterosaur plumage.
I personally just call them feathers, as they likely are derived from the common ancestor pterosaurs and dinosaurs come from, alongside them generally being near identical.

[frail robin]

Pycnofibers are the fuzz that pterosaurs would have been covered by. It's debated if pycnofibers are actually feathers or something else entirely

[brave stump]

Ooooh thanks for the information ! If you want to talk about pterosaurs sometimes I’m in

[brave stump]

I think devs should copy this model but with a sharp beak

[frail robin]

That looks good too. The posture that it has while flying may be outdated though, as pterosaurs like Thalassodromeus may have had their legs more straight, and the wing membrane would have attached to the ankle

[brave stump]

I had the same opinion about the wings membrane

[scenic flame]

I would say however I feel they could help with non-optimal bites, kicks or claw scratches.

Specifically in regards to how a fight could end up pretty messy especially if the predator in question in inexperienced.

like more of a scratch guard

[warped peak]

Ramph having a 6 foot wingspan

[wary junco]

oh my man doesn't know about BIG RHAMPH
https://peerj.com/articles/18587/

[warped peak]

I think it's SUPPOSED to be the 5 Allo species but yeah Ramph gets way bigger than 6 feet

[tough parcel]

They said false, not true

[warped peak]

The 12 foot ramph:

[tough parcel]

What 💔

Your Honor, relevance?

[winter marsh]

Is this cap

[compact leaf]

the biggest referred brachi specimen scales to 67t yeah

[stiff osprey]

you mean camarasaurus specimen

[dire frost]

Quick question what are some good paleontological dig sites to volunteer at?

[compact leaf]

you be quiet we don’t speak about that

[plucky basin]

depends, im gonna give you a list of formations rq..

Morrison Formation
Hell Creek Formation
Ischigualasto Formation
Solnhofen Limestone
Wealden Group
Yixian Formation
Kem Kem Beds
Winton Formation

[opaque kayak]

I feel like going to kem kem in the middle of the Sahara to volunteer might get half of our discord population killed,....

[plucky basin]

why did you think i put that one in the list

[hallow spear]

Hush

[severe yew]

would these dino figures from Schleich be paleo accurate enough for a 3 year old, or should I get all PNSO

• Schleich cost about half of PNSO

[topaz shell]

None of those, if you want a (kinda) cheap accurate trex you could get the haolonggood one

[plucky basin]

PNSO is worth it though

[topaz shell]

Too bad no lips
Although it is quite expensive for a 1/35 scale rex

[severe yew]

bro, the thing is i went to a Barnes and Noble bookstore and saw some Schleich brand animals that looked very good for about $10 usd a piece for my son

i only wanted like 5 but ended up getting one figure of each animal there (like 30), then went to Amazon and got like 25 more, and then got like another 30 on their website

so the $ ended up being much more than originally planned for like 85 figures, lol

so now, i kind of want to get him dino figures but i honestly think that for $25 a piece the Schleich are not very paleo accurate

but now the problem is that the PNSO for like $50 a piece would be a ton of $ on figures for a 3 year old i think

i mean, PNSO look very nice but would they be able to handle toddler abuse?

.
i saw the Halongood and they look good too, but they seem to cost about the same as the PNSO 🤔

[dire frost]

I should probably specify I live in the Midwest of the United States

[plucky basin]

if so, then here..
Mazon Creek Formation
Decorah Shale
Platteville Formation
Galena Formation
St. Peter Sandstone
Niobrara Formation
Dakota Formation
Pleistocene Deposits

[severe yew]

do you think this Schleich Carcharodontosaurus paleo accurate?

[plucky basin]

kind of.. its missing some lips and a LOT of fat but other than that, everything is good

[severe yew]

doesn't it look a little skiny on the head, lol?

ok, thanks bro

[zealous ravine]

HLG is much cheaper than pnso, $12-$20 on average compared to $35+ for pnso, by far the best cheap models

[kindred night]

There are a couple of online stores with Hallonggood figures on sale rn. I have a list of current coupon codes and sales for dinosaur model stuff that can help stretch the budget: https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=11975.msg397068;topicseen#new

[severe yew]

okay, i'll find a cheaper website for it then

thanks bro

[steady rock]

whoever answers RIGHT gets a prize btw

[severe yew]

oh, okay, thanks

[thorn grove]

1 is my answer what’s my prize

[steady rock]

nothing because you were wrong

[compact leaf]

amargasaurus is actually a dicraeosaurid not a diplodocid, both are diplodocoids but they’re two separate families

[thorn grove]

Oh wait 4 I forgot what laurasia was lmao

[steady rock]

thats why i said larger family, like how dicreosaurid is in diplodocid?

[thorn grove]

Diplodocid and Diplodocoid are different things tho

[steady rock]

those are the same word...

[thorn grove]

o

[compact leaf]

yeah diplodocoidea and diplodocidae look very similar but diplodocoids are the broader group

[tough parcel]

Same as tyrannosauridae and tyrannosauroidae

[steady rock]

a o changes everything....

[ionic crescent]

@sudden wind Proportions should be fixed now

[halcyon cobalt]

bir ❤️

[scenic flame]

1 - false
2 - true
3 - false
4 - Divide by 0

[abstract sky]

Hey does anyone here have any art references? I would love some.

[steady rock]

1 and 3 are true

[scenic flame]

1 is only true for Diplodocus itself, it could very easily vary in others, 3 it was hit in the pubic bone and tmk generally not the area the testes are kept in avians etc

[steady rock]

oops

[scenic flame]

3rd one is being nit picking though tbf

[white matrix]

@scenic flame Is this skull good?

[steady rock]

is 5 ton centro becoming real

[white matrix]

wrong image i meant this one @scenic flame

[scenic flame]

yes, though iirc the bigger one in the back is dubious

[steady rock]

idk why but too me i keep thinking its sino for some reason

[thorn grove]

cuz sino's built different

[stiff osprey]

this is also because both those images are sinoceratops

[steady rock]

oh..

[stiff osprey]

centrosaurus is 2-3 tonnes max

[steady rock]

why did the 5 ton centro become dubious?

[thorn grove]

wait do we have that much of sino then i thought it was just two partial skulls

[stiff osprey]

GAT restored it with fairly complete postcrania but i haven't actually seen those described anywhere

also there has never been a 5 ton centrosaurus

[steady rock]

there hasnt been??

[frigid delta]

has there any asian ceratopsians besides Sinoceratops?

[thorn grove]

ceratopsians yes

ceratopsids not afaik

[lavish frigate]

This is absolutely diabolical 😭 🙏

[severe yew]

where is that?

let me guess, Alberta, lol

[lavish frigate]

Oh I have no idea, but yeah probably Alberta

[balmy oyster]

The article is right, this is pretty terrifying

[halcyon cobalt]

those who have kidney stones: 💀💀💀💀💀

[sudden wind]

Proportions seem good now

[fluid inlet]

Watching walking with dinosaurs and one thing I notice is these dinosaurs be deaf 🤣

[frigid delta]

huh?

[balmy oyster]

e

[fluid inlet]

Oops 🤣

[halcyon cobalt]

Ts xemes have me dyeing

[pliant cedar]

ITS HERE

[fluid inlet]

So far in the first two episodes I find it very formative, decent in terms of story and decent in terms of music and decent in terms of quality of dinosaur models and the way they move.

[pliant cedar]

as good as the original?

[opaque kayak]

IDK why but they kinda look like the characters in a cartoon about dinosaur friends going on a adventure

[pliant cedar]

might be some influence from that one movie

[fluid inlet]

I’m trying to get over how bad spinosaurus looks when it walks on land but I can’t avoid it , straight up robot like 😅

[pliant cedar]

show probably doesnt have crazy budget, nostalgia for WWD has died off for a lot of people

[fluid inlet]

My thing is for every episode I seen so far like 20% of it isn’t even the dinosaurs , surely that helps with the cost.

[pliant cedar]

yeah

if the story is good i dont mind

[white matrix]

I dont like any of their models tbh, they all have really wide thighs

[pliant cedar]

wwd arent exactly known for amazing models anyway

[pallid compass]

Yeah...

[fluid inlet]

This doesn’t compare to WWD 1

[pallid compass]

ofc it doesnt

[fluid inlet]

I’m watching other dinosaur stuff that has came out the last couple of years and the fights look so much better than wwd2 , I’m not trying to rag on it but that’s just my observation.

[fluid inlet]

I think this what I was just watching to try to compare it and the dinosaurs are much more fluid on here

[fluid inlet]

This dinosaur is more stiff than an animal that just died 2 days ago…

[warm temple]

The animation quality fell off💔

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-weirded-out-homelander-meme-homelander-even-he-was-weirded-out-homelander-even-he-was-weirded-tf-out-gif-11968646270447582875

[pliant cedar]

oh well
at least the story might be good

[white matrix]

bro😭

[frigid topaz]

Wwd 1 is really good, but might I say without getting assassinated, that even for the time the accuracy was a mixed bag?

I feel like wwd2 will be the same.

[flat pollen]

Not very happy with the new WWD

[warm temple]

Guys, rate my iguanodon

[frail robin]

Where can you watch it??

[warm saddle]

Modelled in blockbench?, n pretty good, thoigh could use bulking up on the neck a little imo

[lapis yarrow]

Nothing will beat the original. Just seems like a wwd the movie made into a documentary more than the original documentary.

[lavish frigate]

I keep seeing these posts where people keep saying “stop comparing it to prehistoric planet!” When I haven’t seen anyone actually doing that, all I’ve seen is people disliking the VFX and other people assuming it’s because of prehistoric planet and not because the animation is janky 💀

[zenith rose]

This is my favourite wwd

[pliant cedar]

the budget was probably insufficient

[severe yew]

oh damn, it does lack better movement for sure

[scenic flame]

I think Dinosaur Revolution was better visually

[compact leaf]

it definitely had better animation

[lavish frigate]

These are quite literally the only ones I’ve seen 💀

[plucky basin]

im totally okay with the quality, its just that ive seen some animations in the dinosaurs get pretty repetitive

[open compass]

There are a lot and didn't you just say that you never seen these comments

[scenic flame]

I don't think this really matters in this context, since they don't speak for everyone

[steady rock]

is it on tubi

[steady rock]

omg 🥰

[sterile trail]

Hmm yes, Cowboys vs. Dinosaurs. My favorite paleo-documentary

[manic grail]

Same. Probably the most accurate documentary out there

[elfin pulsar]

CGI downgrade fr

[manic grail]

Meanwhile transformers in 2007:

[elfin pulsar]

The old WWD looks nicer icl (At least anim wise)

[plucky basin]

are these spikes/scutes (or whatever they're called) accurate for a ceratosaurian?

[wary heath]

Is it more plausible for spinosaurus to have had smoother scales or more larger scales like that of a crocodile.

[wary heath]

☝️ 🤓 Ackschually carnotaurus is an abelisaur and not related to ceratosaurus.

[winter marsh]

ceratosaurians are primitive cousins of abelisaurs iirc

Berberosaurus is a primitive abelisaur and it resembles Ceratosaurus a bit

[wary heath]

But regarding this question as well.

[winter marsh]

smoother because it isnt a crocodilian

[plucky basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceratosauria

get outnerded, nerd

now answer my question

@wary heath

[lusty holly]

I just watched the first ep of walking with dinosaurs and without any spoilers i can say im disappointed

[tough parcel]

No because Ceratosaurus is the only one known with honest-to-goodness osteoderms along the midline of the back (and maybe the flank, but it was just one free-floating osteoderm that "didn't look like the other midline scales" so take that as you will)

Carnotaurus just had feature scales that were predominantly flatter than that

[plucky basin]

alr thanks

[wary heath]

Were you disappointed with the accuracy of the dinosaurs?

[blazing basalt]

Don't forget the stock sound effects

[scenic flame]

^

[zenith rose]

I read a paper on the arm rotation of Dilophosaurus, which showed a diagram of how far they could reach. It stated that Dilophosaurus could easily grasp things between its arms (as in young, food, nesting materials, etc etc…) how do you all feel about this? Do you feel it would be a preferred method of scavenging to rip a piece of flesh and run with it? Or more so just to carry young+ nest materials. I personally think it’s plausible, but I’ve heard some debate on it

[warped peak]

It would use this to suplex lesser theropods

[scenic flame]

I don't think the claws would be very good at actual carcass processing, carrying things for sure, but the claws are meat hooks, not blades

[fluid inlet]

I didn’t even get to this episode I stopped after 2 episodes I suffered enough

[zenith rose]

Fair enough, I definitely agree with you here. When imagining it, I imagined it ripping meat off with its face, dropping it to pick it up and then grabbing more meat with its face. Like if like dual transportation for it and it’s young, or it and it’s mate

[blazing basalt]

Lol

[wary heath]

Prehistoric Planet really set the standard when it comes to dino documentaries.

[compact leaf]

that’s just, wow

[jagged trellis]

a gold standard
probably too high
but like dawg
it has the same amount of stock noises as my own animations
from a mega doc
bruh

[blazing basalt]

I mean even if we ignore prehistoric planet being a thing, dinosaur revolution and dinosaur planet have the same storytelling style as wwd 2025 and both did a much better job, visually the models in both of those series are obviously not as good, but the animation itself is a lot better in those 2, the stories are much more cohesive, and the paleontologist segments actually help the viewer understand what is happening on screen better

[fluid inlet]

It doesn’t even have to be prehistoric planet tbh look at how much better the dinosaurs moved here and don’t tell me whatever this company is has more money than bbc lol

[wary heath]

This was in 2013 as well.

[blazing basalt]

Also for some reason diplocaulus is in the spinosaurus episode? 150 million years time travel

[tough parcel]

I think the community has collectively forgotten every documentary before Prehistoric Planet because there are a few documentaries that are the same quality or better (visually) 🥀

[blazing basalt]

Visually I don't think there's any in terms of quality

[fluid inlet]

Yeah prehistoric planet is the best but there is a lot of different companies that have done way better with a lot less than bbc

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/thearcaolojist/status/1926758709549572353

thearcaeolojist (@thearcaolojist)

@Don_Elladio @ddinodan you are wrong and are punching down on good paleomedia projects Expect more bad movies like jurassic world thanks to you.

X · May 25, 2025, 9:54 PM

[wary heath]

The more I learn about dinosaurs the more I dislike the jurassic world franchise. Jurassic park gets a pass since we didn't know that much about dinosaurs back then.

[tough parcel]

My glorious kings...

[wary heath]

Jurassic world ruined the giga and purposely made it look more evil and then killed it for no good reason.

[balmy oyster]

“The reason was in the lore bro!!”

[compact leaf]

I haven’t seen anyone mention it yet but they only released it in the uk, so if reviews from the uk are bad they’re probably going to lower the amount of average people viewing it everywhere else

[tough parcel]

I mean...people have been watching it through very legal means so...

[lusty holly]

Everything tbh

[fluid inlet]

VPN has already been cancelled 6 days before free trial ends

[zenith rose]

This is one of my favourite Dino movies that has ever been released I will die on this hill

[blazing basalt]

The guardian already released a review of it https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/may/25/walking-with-dinosaurs-review-bbc-revival

[severe yew]

that sounds like a pig being slaughtered, lmao 😂

talk about low budget, lol

[fluid inlet]

Damn they came in swinging 🤣

[zenith rose]

Oh hey. This guy has been in my comment section twice before telling me that my velociraptor I drew is actually a pyroraptor because it’s red and Jurassic world confirmed it to be red (he then deleted this comment) then he saw the same drawing In another video and said it was a skinny Utahraptor lol. I really wonder, where do these people get this information from?

I pointed out the difference in skulls, arms, and general anatomy of the two dinosaurs and he did not believe me for a second

[severe yew]

JP is just bad

they need to hire actual paleontologist, fr

[warped peak]

Velocipastor is peak Paleo-Accurate

[fluid inlet]

Not necessarily because Jurassic park isn’t suppose to be paleo accurate

[severe yew]

do anyone here needs a job, sure you can do better than the JW pros, lol

[compact leaf]

well the original was making an effort to be if you want to split hairs, up until jw they actually tried after that they didn’t

[severe yew]

i crave for just a dino movie franchise with the jurassic park budget but the actual story realism of something like, lets say, game of thrones 🔥

[wary heath]

Nah it cannot have a big budget, it’s just gonna be another poorly made documentary.

[scenic flame]

ddinodan is officially bigger than the BBC

[fluid inlet]

One came out in 2000 one came out in 2025….

[ionic crescent]

The only good thing WWD25 does better than PhP is storytelling, but because PhP has no story :u

The CGI feels like someone with a green screen doing some quick YouTube animation for a B series film

Out of the current roster, spino has the best textures, because the rest of em (I like trike frill and overall shape, but the jugal horn kills me) are kinda meh

Even then, in both Spanish and English, the script is quite bland

[fluid inlet]

I think we all wanted wwd2 to be great but we can all agree this is anything but great

[steady rock]

i animate better then that

[manic grail]

What dinosaur is this

[steady rock]

freddy fazbearsaurus

[brave stump]

You overestimate your skills I think

[steady rock]

udanoceratops is a underrated paleontology topic

[marsh tapir]

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[steady rock]

what would udanoceratops bite be compareable to irl?

[scenic flame]

CaseOh

[plucky basin]

i think a hyena's

[steady rock]

really?

[wind prairie]

hey I'm almost through episode 3 and so far I think ep 1 is just really really bad lol

[fluid inlet]

Episode 2 had a better story but all the issues are vibrant in it.

[sharp dragon]

So it's a Nothing Burger then? well and truly?
What a shame.

[wind prairie]

I just finished ep 3 and ngl it was a little cartoony awesomebro

[fluid inlet]

It’s okay I know what will deliver , surviving earth!

[wind prairie]

fr
I still hate that they're using prince creek of all formations for the K-Pg episode (PC wasn't even maastrichtian) though

[manic grail]

Where do you guys watch the new WWD? It says its only available in UK

[topaz shell]

Isn’t prince creek campanian

[balmy oyster]

apparently not

[silver canopy]

And forgotten bloodlines

I really wish they just gave it a different name...

If it didn't have the WWD IP on its shoulders it would have performed fine

In isolation I think its fine, but they just had to give it that name

[fluid inlet]

thats coming out this year?

[silver canopy]

Yup

[hushed osprey]

trex actually averaged 20+ tons and they all had a phd in psychology so they could kill their prey with facts

[silver canopy]

Please, we all know they had a PHD in earth sciencies

[steady rock]

name something BETTER then this https://x.com/VanZe85/status/1748200319341756597

VanZe (@VanZe85)

Beaked T.rex
random idea I had

#paleoart #dinosaurs #tyrannosaurus #trex

X · Jan 19, 2024, 4:26 AM

[silver canopy]

Oh this reminds me of an idea I had.

Igaunadons thumbs as venomous spurs like a platypus

[lavish frigate]

How would y’all say this Rex is with accuracy?

[woeful falcon]

I'll put it this way. I can tell it's a tyrannosaur, but I wouldn't immediately guess it's a rex

[lavish frigate]

Is it the horns? I make them big lol

[woeful falcon]

That's part of it. I'll draw

Ones with the blue dot, they don't get big at all. It didn't really have lacrimal crests the same way as other tyrannosaurids where they are upraised. Ones with the red dot bosses/horns, excessively huge. But you make them big and it's stylized so that's whatever. No biggy. The ones with the yellow dot, those don't exist. Has more horns than it should

[zealous ravine]

Aletopelta is bizzarre, like would you believe me if I told you this is from the Campanian? (Ignore the feet I made them too small lmao)

[woeful falcon]

Using the skull of Dan's scotty skelly to show what I mean further, with corresponding dots. You see the lacrimal doesn't really get large or stand up prominently like you see in others like the albertosaurines. Just kinda lays its way into the post-orbital boss. On that note, you have the post orbital right above the eye, which it should kind of be more behind it in a way. But also in the art, it's huge anyway so idk how much of a difference that would make

[steady rock]

may i ask why its so weird? /gen

[lavish frigate]

The yellow ones aren’t as much horns as they are a keratinous ridge that accidentally turned into horns at some point when I was drawing lol, think of those three as more of a connected ridge that has keratin horns that don’t really have any bone core associated with them

[woeful falcon]

Yeah Tyrannosaurus doesn't really have that lol. No tyrannosaur would I don't think

Eye rings maybe, but the art doesn't look like what it would be like

[zealous ravine]

It’s a Campanian ankylosaur whose closest relatives are all from the Early Cretaceous

[steady rock]

thats a ankylosaur? wheres the club??

[topaz shell]

That’s from the campanian?

[zealous ravine]

Yep

[zealous ravine]

Exactly, that's how basal it is lmao, like just above Gastonia

[halcyon cobalt]

English or Spanish ahh blud💀💀💀💀💀

[zealous ravine]

@fluid inlet Def picking this up ASAP, it's only $22, cheaper than Saurolophus lmao

[topaz shell]

How much?

[zealous ravine]

$22

[tough parcel]

What’s the price?

[topaz shell]

Wow, for a sauropod??

[zealous ravine]

Yep, and not a small one either

[topaz shell]

Not bad

[fluid inlet]

That’s pretty solid , 22$ wow.

[sudden wind]

What's the price?

[hardy sentinel]

I yearn for hell creek paleoart that includes the small fauna

[fluid inlet]

Read bro.

[white matrix]

accuracy on the scales/keratin/horns of this rex?

[frigid topaz]

Seems good, although I don't think we think rex had a jugal horn anymore because of the Exoparia.

[sharp dragon]

So the way that the flesh on the exoparia would've been formed wouldn't have allowed for a keratinous horn?

[frigid topaz]

Pretty much iirc

[severe yew]

@zealous ravine
bro, can you dm me the actual link of whatever the hell you are seeing that offer? 🙏

[onyx thorn]

Hey! Does anyone know what the term 'Oxbridge' means when describing a university that isn't Oxford or Cambridge?
I was told by someone that the University of Bristol is a good choice of university for an undergraduate course in Palaeontology on the grounds that it looks 'semi-oxbridge' and I have no idea what that means.

[tranquil quartz]

Wouldn’t that just mean it looks professional and high regarded despite not being as prestigious as Oxford and Cambridge

[topaz shell]

How would the mouth look closed?

[frigid topaz]

I couldn't find an image, but I assume the mouth line wouldn't extend beyond the eye

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Saurian Target's Rex?
https://youtu.be/forQjq4n060?si=dyII3KAo_NgYBIBE

[native kindle]

can't believe im coming in here and asking this, but is that 2005 paper regarding giga only being able to hunt juveniles any sort of correct?

[pliant cedar]

oxbridge is the name for oxford and cambridge

they are the most reputed unis in the UK

bristol is in the Russel group, which is also seen as the most prestigious group of UK unis, which is probably why he said that

its also quite high in the rankings, and is probably one of the top unis for paleontology in the uk

[fluid inlet]

Would any dromeosaurs have crest on their head

[topaz shell]

I don’t think so

[pulsar galleon]

Not really no, a Carcharodontosaurid could very feasibly hunt a sauropod twice its size or even a little more, imo. A lot of extant predators hunt things much bigger than them including Komodo dragons which have similar dentition (as well as proportionally smaller skulls and much weaker bites than carcharodontosaurids).

The 20-ton Andesaurus would not be safe from an adult Giganotosaurus even as an adult.

Juveniles only would apply to things like whatever the undescribed argentinosaurus sized titanosaur from candeleros is. At least for a solo hunt, because obviously no terrestrial predator is taking on a 60+ ton colossus and winning unless it’s like 1/1,000,000 and the stars align or smth.

[fluid inlet]

Damn I was free drawing and ending up drawing what looks to be a dromeosaur but with a crest, oh well I’m going to keep it

[topaz shell]

I think “crests” made out of feathers could work
Like pt utah brow feathers

[fluid inlet]

Can you show me an example

[fluid inlet]

That wouldn’t be bad actually

[tall mist]

Af

[severe yew]

it is not, gigas most likely hunted big pray but of course could eat small snacks here and there

they also used to say that trex was only a scavenger, but now trex are known to have been great hunters

[sharp dragon]

The whole Tyrannosaurus was a scavenger bit barely had any actual scientific backing. All it was really good for was ragebait articles on how "T.rex actually sucked, your childhood is a lie!!!!", and wasting a bunch of Paleontologists time with refuting this bogus claim.

Not to mention how Big Jack Horner eventually claimed that it was a "Social Study" on how people in paleontology grasp onto new things too easily.
If that was the case, he wouldn't have been pushing it as hard as he did and even devote entire talks about it.
Legit reason or not, he wasted a bunch of poor workers time on disputing a claim that was pretty obviously false and nonsensical.

[tough parcel]

My favorite bit is when the paper from a year or two ago proposed that all theropods except T. rex were scavengers

With T. rex being the only active hunter

[sharp dragon]

because the optimal form of a obligate scavenging animal is a 5 ton+ animal with adaptations perfectly suited for hunting prey.

Or like the paper that tried to propose that allosaurus was an exclusive sauropod scavenger, as if the Late Jurassic was just the Rotten vail from Monster Hunter...
Good lord.

[steady rock]

Jack Horner(56) when you tell him marrying his 19 yr old student is bad:

[opaque kayak]

POV: You are a uni student and meet Jack Horner (age gap is 65 mya)

[white matrix]

I refuse

[steady rock]

is this true? https://x.com/Peak4651/status/1926964475942363610

Jessica bababi 🍒 (Commission Open) (@Peak4651)

Cetiosauriscus because it’s a Dicraeosauridae ( phylogenetic tree from paper of Jinchuanloong ) I think is a first Dicraeosaur in Europe 🫡🦕
.
#Cetiosauriscus #Dicraeosauridae #Diplodocoidea #Sauropod

X · May 26, 2025, 11:31 AM

[tough parcel]

Yeah, like this new sauropod phylogeny has odd things in it, but, imo, its taxon sampling in that region of the tree is still quite poor. This critter looks to me a bit more basal if you were to sample most non-neosauropods, but we'll see. For now, its nice to have a pretty nice new sauropod

[steady rock]

oh idc no more i thought it was cetiosaurus not cetiosauriscus

[frigid topaz]

What? You asked for accuracy 😭

[white matrix]

I know but the scales themselves are good right?

[frigid topaz]

Yeah, I quite like the larger facial scales, and the general shape of them look naturalistic.

[outer tusk]

it's pretty cool

[zealous ravine]

Yep

[wind prairie]

Jack Horner likes his wife like how he likes his dracorex

[hardy sentinel]

https://youtu.be/XV2c3kvfwxg?si=_Xp3p9EuCjItM52e

opinions?

okay perhaps I judged WWD 2025 too harshly

https://youtu.be/m7zgC5gEfXQ?si=MY20ZolhP_od0zK4

The Spinosaurus and the animation doesn't look the worst

[fluid inlet]

You’re joking right

[steady rock]

path of titans gameplay footage:

[warped peak]

Giganto started

[hardy sentinel]

fr, also wasn't the blood flushed frill hypothesis abandoned?

[drifting arch]

Saw this and it really does make me feel how some ceratopsians can be seen as like a prehistoric bison.

[steady rock]

"nechies"

[manic grail]

Do u spaek anglaish

[steady rock]

wi may never know

[white matrix]

Do you know the best websites or YouTube channels about dinosaurs and paleontology? I've tried looking everywhere and can't find a good one.

[sudden wind]

At 14s lol
https://youtu.be/9gnveZNaeiE?si=LxcKEyDNAsWrkj4s&t=149

[manic grail]

It really is as bad as people say

[steady rock]

where do i watch it

[fluid inlet]

VPN

[steady rock]

I HAVE A VPN WHAT WEBSITE

[fluid inlet]

Go to google and put bbc iplayer

[halcyon cobalt]

how powerful would iguanodons thumb jabs have been?

[stiff osprey]

as powerful as being stabbed with a 30cm traffic spike

[fluid inlet]

I eat that

[halcyon cobalt]

what about against similarly sized opponents?

[winter marsh]

ngl it looks cool

[hardy sentinel]

The Spinosaurus is so far the best looking one. I do have hope for the Utahraptor too

[full socket]

o w ??

[drifting arch]

What are your thoughts @hardy sentinel considering I think you enjoy ceratopsians

[hardy sentinel]

They are cool

I can 100% see the Bison simularities here, but a better Bison-like ceratopsian would be Pachyrhinosaurus simply because of behavior

[drifting arch]

Oh yes, and Pachyrhinosaurus is my favorite ceratopsian species!

[hardy sentinel]

Which species of Pachyrhinosaurus? I like Lakustai the most

[drifting arch]

Ok so after watching the video, I really do believe Tyrannosaurids, including Rex, avoided big ceratopsians like Triceratops at all costs due to the severe threat they impose on predators. The only time I can see a Tyrannosaurus Rex going after a Triceratops is if there are two Rexes or the Triceratops is vulnerable by either age or an injury.

[hardy sentinel]

a Rex would probably just avoid a Triceratops face on, but ambushes are pretty likely to be successful. It was either down to a giant Hadrosaur which could pound a Rex's throat in, a walking sword and shield with a temper, or a tank.

[drifting arch]

I’m the same actually; P. Lakustai is a first favorite followed up with P. Canadensis.

[plucky basin]

could a peak human beat the yellow cerato? (pretty sure this is AvA but im still risking it)

[drifting arch]

I imagine ambushes still carried risks though and had more secured successes without serious injury if there were Rex pairs.

[manic grail]

If no weapons or armour then i'd say no

[frigid delta]

well if the human has a decent weapon like a shotgun, p sure they'll win

[hardy sentinel]

Rexes would NEED to hunt in pairs for basically all of hell creek fauna by that logic, you underestimate how powerful a car crushing bite is

[plucky basin]

what about like a guy with a doomslayer build AND mentality?

[frigid delta]

not even an Argentinosaurus would survive that

[hardy sentinel]

The peak human whenever the tiny Cerato jumps forward, rips his arm off and swallows it in front of him

[manic grail]

Wait you are the blue gorilla guy

[plucky basin]

alright, i got my answer

[hardy sentinel]

Anyways, Rexes could most likely take down an adult Triceratops one on one but fights were 50/50

Rexes shouldn't be underestimated, and by your logic everything in the hell creek bigger than a Denversaurus, Dakotaraptor, or Pachy would need two Rexes to kill

(also keep in mind that T. rex lived with Triceratops prorsus, not horridus so fights would be easier than what you would expect from the bigger species)

[zealous ravine]

Not in the slightest

[frigid delta]

no i'm Carnivores Trophy Room

[manic grail]

But wasnt your old profile picture that blue gorilla

[frigid delta]

what would that Edmonto COULD do? 😭
bro think he's on the team

[wind prairie]

I just finished the last ep of WWD
honestly I already had low expectations but what a letdown man. Ep 4 was decent but the entire rest of it (especially 1 and 6) are so numbingly boring, and ep 3 is weirdly awesomebro at times

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/roleplaying-dinosaurs-unreal-engine-pathoftitans-path-of-titans-gif-13797559347817434567

[sullen cairn]

This is true. If i recall correctly, the critically acclaimed Prehistoric Planet implies two T. rexes would be required to hunt an adult edmontosaurus.

[drifting arch]

I’m not saying TRex wasn’t impressive as a predator as they definitely were, but I think how they fought is similar to how modern apex predators try to overcome challenges today. Lions for example are very impressive powerful predators known to taking on African elephants if needing to, but there’s always a lot of risk involved with any of their primary prey; zebras can break a bone with a kick, Cape buffalo can gore/break bones/or crush by impact, and there’s always instances of lions getting serious injuries or losing a member while hunting big herbivores because of how violent the process is. So when there’s discussion involved with Tyrannosaurus Rex vs big herbivores I think in the same perceptions that those apex carnivores still had to deal with a lot of risk even if an ambush took off well just because of how powerful and aggressive herbivores can get in a fight or flight situation.

[hardy sentinel]

I agree, but I 100% think that a Triceratops p could be taken on 1v1 against a Rex

[halcyon cobalt]

clearly, as prehistoric planet is the scientific accuracy gospel

[sullen cairn]

lest we forget the edmontosaurus is as big as t. rex - and twice as fast

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah, but the difference between modern lions and tyrannosaurus is that tyrannosaurus was bigger than most of it's prey. It would be like a Grizzly Bear vs an Elk instead of a Lion vs a Zebra

Ankylosaurus and Edmontosaurus would 100% whoop a lone Rex though

[wind prairie]

also ||rose's BF dies from a very light edmontosaurus trampling ||

[halcyon cobalt]

As a result, all titanosaurs from then on MUST have a display feature on the neck / head

[sullen cairn]

i think a teenage albertosaurus getting fatally steamrolled by an edmontosaurus isnt necessarily that stupid but with how its animated it doesnt really give off the impression of instant death

[wind prairie]

also there is an inexplicable diplocaulus in ep 2????

[hardy sentinel]

Lucky, yall Europeans got WWD a month earlier than us Americans. I gotta wait until someone pirates it now

I think it releases sometime in July for us

[wind prairie]

oh I ain't European

also yeah that's what I'm saying. ||The edmont gives a very light fall over the Albert and he's just dead like that||

[hardy sentinel]

how did you get it early then??

[drifting arch]

While that’s true, Tyrannosaurus was generally taller then it’s preferred prey, I still have to keep in mind that Triceratops had two very pronounced goring horns and even a good hit in a non-lethal area on a Tyrannosaurus Rex is still a devastating blow that would pose some hesitation from a predator. These are just my thoughts though.

[wind prairie]

DMs

[hardy sentinel]

Hence why most bites we find on Triceratops are from behind, indicating ambushes. We also find a lot of them healed.

I ain't saying Triceratops was weak, I'm saying it didn't take two adult Tyrannosaurus to kill an adult Triceratops, just one adult who was probably decently skilled

[proper dove]

Bro pirating

[manic grail]

Sorry to ask but can u tell me too?

[wind prairie]

I wasn't waiting another month. The show isn't even good anyways
by the sixth episode I was waiting for it to be over

[proper dove]

Shows not good? Has to be blasphemy

[wind prairie]

the only decent episode is 4 about albertosaurus, but even it is stupid at times

[proper dove]

How come?

[steady rock]

How was the utah episode?

[hardy sentinel]

What I find funny is that WWD 2 got less funding than Prehistoric Planet despite

1. being a pre-existing show that did good

2. Having a pre-existing fanbase who will watch it for nastolgia

[compact leaf]

check your dms real quick

[wind prairie]

funnily enough, most of the show is boring but utah episode dips its toes into awesomebro territory

[hardy sentinel]

who knew a giant bird lizard who hunts with stealth and speed would be awesome

[wind prairie]

no I mean ||the pack coordinates an attack to topple and kill, starts eating a gastonia, and the leader literally immediately starts closing in on the protagonist gastonia anyways||

[jagged trellis]

but but you see there is a video of a leopard catching a duckling and going for another and letting both go because it wanted to be a awesomebro therefor valid!!!!

[hardy sentinel]

bruh

[wind prairie]

I SAID WWD2 would be bad and nobody believed me until the last few days before release when we got clips

[hardy sentinel]

probably the oldies who grew up with peak for it's time now gotta deal with ahh for their time

[wind prairie]

it's so sad, I love prehistoric planet, but for more narrative docus in the style of the original WWD there are no good modern ones

also ep 6 is genuinely baffling. ||There are only TWO living animals in the entire episode, + an anonymous pliosaur carcass and... jurassic azhdarchids because the show is just that lazy||

[hardy sentinel]

gang 💔

[wind prairie]

they acknowledged this as intentional even before release. They decided to reference what was previously probably the worst thing in the franchise, rather than the original
but I would genuinely say I enjoy WWD the movie more than WWD2 🥀, tbf though I enjoy WWD the movie more than most

[hardy sentinel]

WWD the movie is only enjoyable on mute or in the documentary version

[jagged trellis]

that is a statement of nightmarish implications
especially if its true on quality

[compact leaf]

hearing that about ep 6 genuinely guts me

[hardy sentinel]

||I hope this stupid infant trike dies considering her fossil is literally found at the start of the episode||

[wind prairie]

it's especially sad considering it's the ONLY jurassic episode I was so hyped to see like allosaurus or dacentrurus or something

||and no, funnily enough, the baby trike is one of the few dinosaurs who don't die at the end of their episode. All of them are found at the start of their episodes.||

[hardy sentinel]

I hope WWD locks in and releases a remake of Ballad of Big Al

[hardy sentinel]

So a DEAD BABY is found at the start and DOESN'T DIE?

[wind prairie]

they'd probably make it bad, ugly, poorly animated, boring, and there would be half as many animals that appear on screen. And there would be a random quetzalcoatlus in the background 💀

and no, some of the episodes just end with everybody wondering like "huhh well it must've died eventually but who knows"

[hardy sentinel]

shoulda hit her with the

[wind prairie]

another oversight I noticed is like, not only do barely any animals appear on screen in most episodes, there are like next to no small animals outside of some dragonflies and diplocaulus(????) in ep 2

[hardy sentinel]

I hate how the documentary is switching between the dinos and the fossil, like at least for the episode i'm on the paleontologists are adding NOTHING

[wind prairie]

that is truly the biggest blunder of them all to me. Originally I was hoping for something kind of like dinosaur planet but istg in WWD2 each segment doesn't go for more than like 4 minutes at a time at most. Sometimes nothing even happens in the dinosaur segment.

[topaz shell]

Bro

[wind prairie]

also gorgosaurus appear in ep 5 and they are literally completely unedited from the albertosaurus. I kid you not they look exactly the same

[hardy sentinel]

That is literally the most WWD thing to do

Prehistoric Planet had random unnamed Troodontids and gave them unique models

Walking With Dinosaurs shoulda gotten MORE funding considering it's an already reliable form of income for BBC considering it absolutely popped off in the late 90s and early 2000s and so they already have a viewbase with kids, that's automatically more money for them

[wind prairie]

pretty much
though at least in the original they tried to make them a little different

alright what nono word did you use

[topaz shell]

They couldn’t have changed the gorgo model?

Idk what it looks like so ima take your word

[wind prairie]

apparently it was just a last minute script change, the people working on the episode had been calling it alberto but they changed the name to gorgo at the last minute, so they had no time to make them look different

[hardy sentinel]

This footstep makes me mad it's too loud, like did the WWD team even do research on dinosaurs? Dinosaur information is more accurate on dinosaur tiktok bruh

[topaz shell]

Ngl the WWD 3d movie had better cgi

[steady rock]

What was the most accurate thing of wwd2?

[wind prairie]

I honestly think this is fair given it seems to be planting it foot in more than just a basic walking step. What IS stupid about this scene is how the rex sneaks up on a supposedly attentive mother infernodrakon across several feet of open land

[hardy sentinel]

They even mention it's feet made very little noise WHILE IT MAKES LOUD NOISE

A wild animal would pick up on that loud of noise easily, and would listen better considering it lives in the second most dangerous formation in north america EVER (Morrison first obviously)

[wind prairie]

in the rest of the scene it's waaaay too quiet, like, black panther levels

[topaz shell]

Erm black panthers aren’t exactly real they are just names for melanistic specimens of the panthera genus

[hardy sentinel]

technically ffarter's statement is not wrong, since most Pantherans hunt at night, a melanistic pantheran is still stealthy

[wind prairie]

eerrrrm I meant the superhero because that's how bad it is

[topaz shell]

Yeah but I didn’t say they weren’t

[hardy sentinel]

Black Panthers do exist, but it is just a wider scope than most people think

[scenic flame]

I some unironic musth posting earlier, I am afraid.

[hardy sentinel]

A decent amount of what the actual paleontologists are saying (based off of just 15 minutes into the first episode) is the most accurate

Judging by the random highly complete fossils they are finding above ground though does 100% make me think that all these fossils are planted just for the episode, like a nearly complete Triceratops brow horn just sitting on some gravel

[wind prairie]

a lot of the models are very good even if the cgi can look very bad at times
the albertosaurus is probably the best one I've ever seen but the edmontosaurus is... so bad

[hardy sentinel]

I reckon the T. rex model is a bit too skinny, but we might just be looking at the "gracile" morph

[wind prairie]

wdym it looks fine to me

[hardy sentinel]

i'll get a screenshot when it shows more than just the head

[manic grail]

Is it just me or does the new WWD trex kind of have "different" lips?

[hardy sentinel]

WWD Rex seems skinny, Hank is a nice bulky boi tho

I would accept the idea that the WWD Rex is the skinnier morph though, if that hypothesis still does hold up

[wind prairie]

that's not a very good shot. Been looking for some online myself but no wonder people aren't sharing screenshots of this show

it's definitely within the range of acceptable soft tissue

[hardy sentinel]

anyways why is an 8+ ton predator focusing on a dog sized baby trike?? I feel like the carnivores are acting more like villans than animals here

[wind prairie]

I mean it'd be easier than an adult

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but it would be like you running a marathon and eating only a chicken nugget. Wasted energy an animal could not afford to lose

[wind prairie]

yeah tbh it chases clover a good bit

[hardy sentinel]

the amount it chases Clover could make you assume that it didn't eat since that Pterosaur, so it's basically slowly starving to death and going after prey it never catches

This Rex is the definition of insane

[wind prairie]

pretty much
I think people are just coping by saying this show is good
what ep are you on?

[hardy sentinel]

the first still, pausing it every time I see something stupid

[wind prairie]

oh nvm then I thought you had gotten to like ep 4 or 5 or something. In this case I'm excited to hear the rest of your thoughts

[hardy sentinel]

WHY DOES IT HAVE A CREST?

It's not even a fleshly waddle, that is straight up a skin covered SOLID crest, on ANNECTENS

[woeful falcon]

animals do weird things. if thing look chaseable, it chase

[wind prairie]

I mean it is still possible annectens had a crest iirc
and I don't think the crest on regalis is completely analogous to a chicken's. So this may be how it would look, but I'm not entirely sure

[hardy sentinel]

the crest on regalis is more similar to a chicken's comb than to a lambeosaurine crest/sagittal crest. They straight up gave this mf a sagittal crest

[wind prairie]

not for an animal as expensively living and slow as t rex I'd assume

[woeful falcon]

nature is no stranger to doing things detrimental. play is also energy exerting and animals do it

[hardy sentinel]

Polars Bears don't chase things for the sake of chasing, they save their energy. You don't see a Polar Bear chasing down an Arctic fox when it could be waiting at a breath hole for a seal

[hallow spear]

Because that’s what animals do, they target the young and sick. it’s also more than enough nutrition