paleontology

[rancid dove]

What is the weight of Allosaurus fragilis?

[rancid dove]

alr thanks

[hallow spear]

The specimens below don’t represent the largest

[rancid dove]

Yes, I just wanted to be sure of this species xD

[white matrix]

@wind prairie if you look at the blue circle you can see the individual digits, the red circle is the damaged foot where the large single nail myth came from

[fluid inlet]

We do not care about microraptor lil bro https://x.com/tm9380/status/1922674798536036772?s=46

Taylor McCoy 🦖 (@TM9380) on X

The first paper tied to the Chicago Archaeopteryx specimen has been released, as has some beautiful artwork by LF LaRosa and Adrienne Stroup

Paper linked below

X · May 14, 2025, 3:26 PM

[lavish frigate]

Chicago?!

[stiff osprey]

housed in chicago, not found in chicago

[lavish frigate]

Makes WAY more sense lol

[keen tundra]

What should I change about this tyrannosaurus head?

[ionic crescent]

Isn't that term kinda a very mammalian one?

[plucky basin]

maybe make the nasal ridges a bit taller

[keen tundra]

Okay thank you

[wind prairie]

where is the raised claw in that art

[steady rock]

thoughts? https://x.com/saulilustrador/status/1922669448000926152/photo/1

Saúl Velasco. Paleoarte y más. (@saulilustrador) on X

Ambos de diferentes años y ambos se complementan, pero no me pude resistir a una nueva versión 🙌 🦈
"Seven different ways to bite" 2025
#paleoart #digitalart

X · May 14, 2025, 3:04 PM

[opaque kayak]

Proportions/size are off by a bit (peak drawing tho)

[steady rock]

WHY ARE ARCHELONS FINS SO BIG

[opaque kayak]

Also his last version megalodon was hilarious

[manic grail]

Wait why do we discuss livyatan vs megalodon if theres such a big size difference

[steady rock]

megalodon when the pod of livys pull up:

[manic grail]

Livyatan used to live in pods?

[fluid inlet]

Where is the skeletal for megalodon 🤓

[opaque kayak]

Paraheli just standing there without skel

[steady rock]

dont almost all toothed whales live in pods?

[rancid dove]

Replacing heli with creto is better, because right now it is so difficult that I cannot see this chainsaw fraud.

[remote shadow]

Doesn’t mean that extinct species of toothed whales did

[compact leaf]

a couple beaked whales might be solitary but most of them do yeah

[steady rock]

why would livy be any different? is there a chance it was solitary? yeah but you can make a pretty good assumption that yeah, it did live in pods

[remote shadow]

Difficult to say given that we don’t have a pure picture of the environment.

It isn’t a safe assumption. Why do most Candiae have wildly different hunting and social patterns? Same thing with Large cats for example.

[steady rock]

??? how isnt it a safe assumption? the reason most candiae have wildly different hunting and social pattern is because...uhm i dont know, im a sauropod person

[rancid dove]

nah meg is fine,just huge teeth are enough for us and it is very difficult to find a complete skeleton, and moreover on cetaceans we have found traces of meg🤓

[rich vessel]

So plump

[opaque kayak]

500 tons

[remote shadow]

The point about Candiae is that even within the same family you will have wildly different evolutionary behaviors. And if you have that variation at the genus level. You can not simply assume that it’s “it’s a tooth whale so it’ll act like other toothed whales”

[rich vessel]

I think that says 50 tons

[fluid inlet]

No skeletal only teeth 🦷 it must be British megalodon

[rancid dove]

Giant bite marks on whale bones and fossilized teeth found near cetacean carcasses support these hypotheses. Megalodon had an estimated bite force of over 18-20 tons, capable of crushing massive bones.

[steady rock]

besides ( potentially ) beaked whales, why would livy be any different?

[thorn grove]

Name every sauropod

[steady rock]

amargasaurus
brachiosaurus
Diplodocus
zby
magaryosaurus
miragaia
trex

[jagged trellis]

susie

[manic grail]

Do you guys think sauropods could swing their necks like giraffes do?

[tough parcel]

No, their skulls would be damaged

[jagged trellis]

light amounts for most sure( but that goes for any necky boi)
doubt many would've went as hard as giraffes do seeing they got gear literally built for it like ossicles

[balmy oyster]

Giraffe necks are specialized for such kind of movement, don’t think any sauropod has similar

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnoughtus-long-neck-long-neck-dinosaur-brachiosaurus-prehistoric-planet-gif-25448017

One thing i like about sauropods is that they have organs

[jagged trellis]

no way

[manic grail]

Its crazy to think that water buffalo has longer horns than triceratops

[sterile trail]

I've grown to love the air sacs of that Dreadnoughtus

[manic grail]

Is there any evidence for it or is it pure speculation?

[hallow spear]

No
And also no to the air sacs, pure pure evil speculation

[steady rock]

why evil?

[balmy oyster]

the "air sacs" sauropods had were most likely internal only

[outer tusk]

FRANOYS GALEMOPUS

[manic grail]

Ok thanks

[manic grail]

Rhymes with grug

His head gets fried

[tough parcel]

Its brain is at the center of the lightning strike, it's dead

[rich vessel]

What about humans? Or have lighting strikes not hit the head?

[tough parcel]

I can only assume it's because we're so low to the ground meaning the lightning has less time to travel through your body and nuke your internal organs

[rich vessel]

Oh ok 👍

[warped peak]

We should strike elephants with lightning to test this hypothesis

[topaz shell]

What about giraffes since their the closest thing to sauropods kinda

[manic grail]

Im taller

[steady rock]

EOCARCHANIA GOT TURNED INTO A SPINOSAURID? https://x.com/TwitiGalli/status/1922583033443496255

PaleoGalli (@TwitiGalli) on X

Skeletal diagram of Eocarcharia dinops, a possible spinosaurid from the Early Cretaceous of Niger. Paul Sereno for scale is ~1.85 m tall.

X · May 14, 2025, 9:21 AM

single eyebrow ( ? ) bone can literally be anything

[manic grail]

Wait one of my teachers put this picture in OneNote lol

[steady rock]

That's why it's SOFUNNY
"Those circles could be anything, boss!"
"to hell with it!!! make it a spinosaurid to annoy the spinosaurus guys!"

• quill

is there any reaosn why they chose spinosaurid spefically?

[manic grail]

Yea because they are the best dinosaurs

[manic grail]

But air isnt black

[fluid inlet]

Damn Echoes of extinction is cooked they just dropped this today with their new eocharcha model

[steady rock]

what5s echoes of extinction...

[tough parcel]

Another quirky "Isle of Titans Bermuda Survival Simulator 9000"

[fluid inlet]

L

[steady rock]

okay but this one has CAVEMAN

[topaz shell]

And cool Dino models!!!

[tough parcel]

If they actually care, just call it Shaochilong

First depiction in media ever and definitely a carcharodontosaurid

[warped peak]

nah they don't like making changes in that community

[tough parcel]

Impossible...who could've guessed...

[fluid inlet]

Isn’t laten invalid and path of titans did nothing with that lol

[steady rock]

how deadly is a sauropods fart

[zealous ravine]

Cau’s new paper suggested that the holotype Eocarch frontal was a spinosaur while the referred maxilla was a carch, but who knows if that’s gonna hold up

[tough parcel]

Difference between "invalid" and "completely different family of dinosaurs"

But as Dilo said, we're waiting to see if further analysis agrees

[fluid inlet]

The change just happen so why are you assuming they just going to stick with it. Need for them to respond first. 🤣

[steady rock]

is it true troodon came back or nah?

[zealous ravine]

So this is still perfectly valid for now, a proposal by a single paper doesnt automatically become the truth (damn you beat me to it, I hate this slowmode)

[fluid inlet]

It’s a bad gameplan to make dinosaurs for your game off such little material anyways. I was unfamiliar with it and didn’t realize that there was hardly anything to it.

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the Yutyrannus should be showcased instead

[steady rock]

nanotyrannus victim

whats more valid rn, nano or troodon?

[short river]

I feel sorry for anyone who models a dino for a game and decides to try and keep it accurate, unless that dino is something like rex where we aren't likely to ever really change what it looks like

[wind prairie]

nano for sure

[glad gorge]

david peters is my FAVORITE totally legitimate paleo artist

[keen tundra]

Do we have eny skin impressions of tyrannosaurus rex face or lips?

[zealous ravine]

Honestly irl Dilo is way cooler than JP Dilo, from little scavenger with a frill to one of the largest theropods of its time, apex predator of its environment

Look at this badass

Also had some of the most flexible wrists of any theropods, possibly to withstand the forces of holding struggling prey.

[fluid inlet]

lol

[wind prairie]

tbh while I do agree, when people say this it feels like copium
because if we knew IRL dilo had a frill and poison it'd easily be one of the most unique dinosaurs

[hardy sentinel]

Do we have any direct evidence of Ceratopsians raising their young? Like ik we found Pachyrhinosaurus herds but did those herds only contain adult/near adult specimens or specimens of all ages?

[lavish frigate]

Honestly irl dilo is way cooler, and since it’s a real animal it’s cooler in my book at least lol

[rose gate]

Morrison Titan of USA. Fascinating Icon.

[sterile trail]

I'm down with ignoring Maraapunisaurus

[hallow spear]

It’s relevant to say that 40t is way too low for that specimen iirc, it’s more like 49t I think

[rose gate]

Yup. I think it's 49.8T, 50T if we round it off. Some individual might reach higher

[manic grail]

Brachiosaurus is my favourite sauropod

Wait palaeloxodon is just known from 1 bone?

[thorn grove]

That’s the only bone that supports 22 tons but there’s plenty of other material

[opaque kayak]

Granted the bone is amphicoelias'd (destroyed + last seen 19th century plz return to owner) so bro's not very sturdy

[manic grail]

May i ask what material and how big

[halcyon cobalt]

how improve nothronychus?

and how plausible is a long giraffe tongue

[steady rock]

Put that amarature in front

[frigid delta]

why's this doesn't surprised me lol

[hallow spear]

Not at all plausible

[knotty saffron]

Now, this is some cool speculation, and its plausibility is uncertain.
There is modern birds with long tongues like this, sort of like woodpeckers, and if you do keep the tongue I suggest you base it off of that

[outer tusk]

Why would you base it on a woodpecker

[knotty saffron]

That's what speculation is for, I was adding an example.

[tough parcel]

Not at all what speculation is for

As well as the fact large tongues leave osteological evidence (afaik the most common one being an enlarged hyoid)

[knotty saffron]

Ok that's true, we'd need evidence, but it's still cool to see in my eyes.

[tough parcel]

Perhaps Stego wishes to elaborate on this

[steady rock]

Stego infact, did not elaborate on it

[wind prairie]

I've seen portrayals of thyreophorans with long tongues, does that hold any water?

[outer tusk]

1. Woodpecker skulls are made to specifically have their tongue wrap around their heads

2. Even without complete skulls, therizinosaurs heads lack any treats that require this

[hardy sentinel]

So wouldn't it make sense that it only happened once in the 4 billion years a habitable earth has been around and never since? Maybe there are factors we cannot recreate as the earth has been around that long and has significantly changed since the first life assembled itself

If it's so astronomically unlikely to have even happened then it makes sense that it has happened once in the billions of years earth had been habitable

[zealous ravine]

Interestingly it’s thought that viruses could have played an important role in early evolution, they have been known to inadvertently transfer dna from one organism to another and this could have helped with rapid diversification in the early days of life

[hardy sentinel]

but it is a HUGE factor. Time needed when the assembly of such is unlikely to happen in the first place

[zealous ravine]

From there you can evolve into countless forms, given enough time

[wary heath]

And do you know just how complex DNA is?

[wind prairie]

honestly just, to me, animals look like each other and I find it hard to believe they were just created independently. Then also why do whales, and other secondarily aquatic tetrapods, still have fingers in their flippers? Also considering the flawed functions in the bodies of many animals, idk man.

I mean look at an elk and a moose, and you think they had nothing to do with each other?

[zealous ravine]

It’s really simple at its core, just a couple proteins fused together, and RNA, which is thought to come first, is even simpler. Given 2+ billion years of constant chemical reactions I think it’s more than likely it could arise by chance at least once.

[wind prairie]

and there's the rabbit hole of transitional forms, there is literally a flounder with an eye on top of its forehead. If that's not proof idk what is

[hardy sentinel]

With newer interpretations of creationism they see stuff as coming from a common ancestor of a "kind", with an original one being made and then diversifying after the ark landed

So like there would be a horse kind, deer kind, cat kind, etc but not a common ancestor between them

It makes little sense to me because at that point they are just using evolution but ignoring the part where they ALL had a common ancestor

[wind prairie]

I am aware
they can't even define what a "kind" is as it constantly changes to them. They basically just want to explain evolution into a way that makes sense with that belief. They'd say like, zebras didn't exist originally, but diversified from an original equus base

[zealous ravine]

Yeah creationism had its place before science was really a thing but nowadays every single piece of evidence says that it’s wrong. The only reason it’s still alive is charlatans like Ken Hamm using it to manipulate people into giving them money sadly.

[hardy sentinel]

As we are in a scientific chat, please use an actual rebuttal and not just denying claims straight up, makes you seem unreliable as someone to debate with (seeing as this is both a scientific debate and scientific conversation chat)

[steady rock]

what would have the stronger bite
archelon or udanoceratops?

[wind prairie]

also if extinct things from the fossil record coexisted with humans, wouldn't we find evidence for that?
(idk, paintings of dinosaurs, saddles, etc.)

[zealous ravine]

Well given the gases used almost certainly weren’t the same ones present in early earth’s atmosphere then I don’t think that much matters.

The truth is that life arose abiotically, we know that, and I’m sorry you seem to be so caught up in misinformation that you can’t see it but nothing you say will change the fact that this is the truth

That’s literally what nature does, like to a T, nature creates more nature. Animals create more animals, plants create more plants, don’t tell me you’re gonna deny reproduction next.

[steady rock]

??

[opaque kayak]

First time sm not dinosaur convo in POT lol

[steady rock]

why dosent the big ism eat the smaller ism

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the wonder of the natural world will never cease to amaze us

[deft sigil]

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[ancient crystal]

May I ask why we don't have a general science chat? Yes, PoT is a game based in extinct animals, but there is clearly a desire by the people who use this channel to talk about other disciplines and subjects beyond paleontology.

[hardy sentinel]

But in this case we were talking about scientific news that happened to include religion, why have rules that contradict each other? Using this chat to educate is a thing we are doing. While some messages have gone more into the religious side we were debunking misinformation that the poster of the message was sending.

Where is the line exactly drawn between someone sending misinformation which includes a religious base that we have to debunk and someone talking about religion?

[real swan]

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[hardy sentinel]

Who wins 2 Velociraptor Mongoliensis or a healthy Protoceratops

[wary heath]

Would the protoceratops be a female or male?

[hardy sentinel]

Doesn't matter, we don't know if they even had size dimorphism between genders

[wary heath]

I I think a protoceratops could win if it was cautious enough of both of the raptors.

[hardy sentinel]

I reckon the raptors would win if they know where to strike, which we know they did with the famous fighting dinosaurs fossil

[zealous ravine]

I would give it to protoceratops honestly, though it would obviously depend on a lot of factors, I don’t think people realize quite how big a size difference between the two there is.

[ancient crystal]

May I see the size difference? I always thought they were more or less the same ngl

[hardy sentinel]

They are similar in height, but a Protoceratops outweighs a Velociraptor by a lot

[zealous ravine]

Adasaurus would have a better chance but it’s Nemegt, not Djadochta

[hardy sentinel]

Kinda like a turkey/goose with a long tail, teeth, and claws fighting a wild boar

[zealous ravine]

That fossil always looked to me like the raptor just happened to strike there because that’s where it could reach, and it could only reach that cause the Proto had its arm in its mouth lol

[hardy sentinel]

Shoulda used Adasaurus in prehistoric planet instead of Velociraptor which went extinct 5+ million years before PP took place

[zealous ravine]

Well the timing of Nemegt and Djadochta is kinda uncertain, it’s been suggested they actually could have taken place at the same time, in which case PhP would be decently accurate

[hardy sentinel]

Adasaurus would still be more entertaining, bigger raptor and then we could see an actual raptor hunt that aren't just opportunistic or failures

[rancid dove]

hi,What size do orcas make in the game?

[hardy sentinel]

Most likely based size wise on the Antarctic Orca ecotype

[rancid dove]

so small species is 7 m and orca ecotype is 9 meters..alr thanks🫡

[wind prairie]

I think one velociraptor could do it, you underestimate it

[remote shadow]

Fossil evidence claims that it was a draw in a 1v1

[ancient crystal]

Is it just me or is that orca's head just ever so slightly too small

[rancid dove]

In fact, there are several species of orcas that are robust, slender, with most different attributes and patterne

[opaque kayak]

They like me fr fr?

[hardy sentinel]

Who wins Tyrannosaurus Rex or Tyrannosaurus Rex with a 9mm

[rancid dove]

with gun

[hardy sentinel]

How would he aim and pull the trigger?

[rancid dove]

🤣

[jagged trellis]

not fair, its a boosted mirror match, give the other rex a spear

[opaque kayak]

evil

[hardy sentinel]

Whos win this scenario

100 men vs a Tyrannosaurus Rex

The men have one week to kill it and a forest the size of a small town that they can use to make weapons

[opaque kayak]

Men

[rancid dove]

They all have crazy differences, especially in terms of their heads.

[warped peak]

3 15 ton Deinosuchus would just cannibalism

[outer tusk]

love how deino and sauro are oversized

[opaque kayak]

Fadeno's legacy is strong

[halcyon cobalt]

does the head look fine? ignoring the tongue

[outer tusk]

freaky ass bird

[balmy oyster]

why is horridus, deinoS and sauroposeidon all oversized

[opaque kayak]

Because this is about 2 years outdated + the maker probably forgor horridus size

[fluid inlet]

Bcuz they can

[lavish frigate]

Is the one in the top right also a spino? Looks different

[hardy sentinel]

it's the angle

[old river]

Is the new bars smaller than the old one ? and those it make it more accurate to the real thing ?

[steady rock]

can i say pachyrhino is the second most popular ceratopsian?

[steady rock]

i remember when you people JUMPED me because i said halkzaraptor raptor lived on hateg island because i thought it was hategraptor

[thorn grove]

people get jumped for being wrong here it happens to everyone

[steady rock]

why did i have beef with ariana grande

[thorn grove]

maybe she likes beef

[steady rock]

lowkey why was i so mean back then

[thorn grove]

wouldn't you have been like 13

I feel so old 😣

[steady rock]

yup, either 13 or 14

[thorn grove]

yea idk middle schoolers are meanies

[steady rock]

alright grandpa, back to the retirement home you go

[thorn grove]

noooooo :(

im not that old... yet

[steady rock]

your miocence right now

[thorn grove]

you're*

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-heeseung420-gif-19759460

[thorn grove]

he's gonna wake up with some neck pain

[steady rock]

im not one on physics but wouldnt the meteor cause the body to fall foward with it or no?

[thorn grove]

maybe but I think the neck would need to lose all of its slack first which probably doesnt fully happen during the gif

the body kinda looks like it starts getting pulled forward right near the end

[steady rock]

i wonder, would a sauropods biggest cause of death ( if it made it to adult hood ) be disease or weather?

[thorn grove]

ok I looked it up in elephants and the leading natural cause according to one article i found was loss of teeth which i doubt sauropods would suffer from being reptiles

my guess would probably be disease but idrk

[spark mauve]

Dis a W spino?

[spark mauve]

It's not the most accurate

[frigid delta]

huh?

[spark mauve]

My drawing

[warped peak]

Probably should go in the Art channel then

[manic grail]

Crazy but this isnt spino

[topaz shell]

Tail?

[balmy oyster]

Glad to see Huaxiagnathus orientalis getting more recognition

[manic grail]

I dont know why but i respect this animal so much

[honest cobalt]

[lofty creek]

yes
incredible
it seems that almost all the axial skeleton has been preserved pretty well

[lofty creek]

Stop Cauing

[open compass]

How big were sue, scotty, ed cope and Goliath?

[frigid delta]

largest Yangchuano spesies?

[lofty creek]

Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis CV 00216, sometimes exists as "Y.maximus"
10-10.5m in length, no reliable weight since there's no good mount, either too stocky or too narrow
it would still be a bulk guy but lighter than Torvosaurus and Allosaurus at similar length

[frigid delta]

is 3-3.5 tons safe to assume?

[brave nova]

There was a gdi for yang which puts it at 4t at 10.5m

[frigid delta]

oh ok

[lofty creek]

not safe at all
it's likely at 4-5 tons

[halcyon cobalt]

imagine a megalodon burger

[manic grail]

Dont sharks taste like pee pee

[snow python]

Accurate?

[outer tusk]

Austro and Utah are too high

[outer tusk]

What did you do with tylosaurus' tail 😭

[outer tusk]

I know the recon you used

[steady rock]

OH I CUT IT OFF oops

Who weighs More, tylo or leed?

[wooden bough]

Why is the tylosaurus being compared to Homelander...?

[outer tusk]

Because he's a true AMERICAN!!!

AMERICA RAAAAH 🦅 🦅🦅

[fluid inlet]

What the hell , tylo and Leeds that close in size biggest to biggest ?

[steady rock]

Apparently

[blazing ridge]

Who would win 2 tyrannosaurus rexs or 2 titans (I forgot how to spell their full name)

[jagged trellis]

irl
2 rexs going off body and niche
titan is like 6.3-7.smth tons vs rex at a comfy 8, both being mega mega fauna predators

[frigid delta]

how big was Isano?

[halcyon cobalt]

what’s that

[steady rock]

Isanosaurus?

[opaque kayak]

Now make a comp with pliosaurus funkei

[steady rock]

Give the skeletal and I shall

[frigid delta]

Isanosaurus

[fossil ingot]

In length yeah
This is an Old Tylo Recon, tho so it should be longer than that since this is the Holotype
However, Leed should still be heavier

[steady rock]

May I have the most up to date skeletal?

[opaque kayak]

12.5 meters huh

[opaque kayak]

I made one btw

[warped peak]

I like the new look tbh

[opaque kayak]

Walking with dinosaurs irl

[warped peak]

It no longer looks like a tumor riddled sardine

[plucky basin]

that is not a tyrannosaurus..

Factor Trace, your my goat for releasing the carchar vid, but im pretty sure that isnt a tyrannosaurus

[scenic flame]

it is, it's Sue by the looks of it

[plucky basin]

it is??

no, it seems more like a daspletosaurus skull

[tough parcel]

Vivid, Sue doesn't have extremely pronounced lacrimal crests 💔

[scenic flame]

I was goin off the snout shape

[tough parcel]

Perhaps one should go off the entire skull

[warped peak]

On the topic of skulls I need to change my PFP

[scenic flame]

I could be wrong

[forest raptor]

Anyone know if Miragaia is actually valid or not still kinda unsure on that debate

[compact saddle]

I think it is. It's been renamed to Dacentrurus

[plucky basin]

i dont think both are in the same topic..

[scenic flame]

https://fixupx.com/TheDarknix/status/1901443361979941246
it's a back and forth rn tmk

The Darknix (@TheDarknix)

DINO News!!!
︀︀So Miragaia & Dacentrurus are different after all!?!
︀︀An infographic created by the P.V.C indicates that these two genera are actually separate, meaning the synonymy isn't as accurate as previously proposed.
︀︀ #dinosaur #Portugal #stegosaurus #JurassicWorldRebirth

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FixupX · Mar 17, 2025, 1:19 AM

[forest raptor]

Alright thank you both

[compact saddle]

So this means miragaia isn't invalid after all? interesting

[scenic flame]

no

[autumn vessel]

Mira has been in debate about it being a different species for ages, the 2024 paper kinda confused people, Mira was defended thankfully

[tough parcel]

AKA "it's a back and forth rn tmk"

[compact saddle]

[plucky basin]

"Estimates range from a length of 12 to 13.2 meters and a weight of 4 to a whopping 13.8 metric tons. Nowadays Giganotosaurus is mostly considered roughly equal in size or marginally smaller than the largest known Tyrannosaurus, although several workers have noted that the femoral proportions of Giganotosaurus might indicate a larger body mass than Tyrannosaurus. And as there is only one good Giganotosaurus specimen known, it is possible that larger individuals existed that haven't yet been discovered."

is this factual fellas? did JWD tell the truth??

dang..

[fossil ingot]

The Fact JWD Giga is 15.5m yet only 8.95t speaks it all

13.2t Giga is crazy tho

[snow python]

Up to date?

[scenic flame]

Previously we only had roughly the back half of Dacentrurus and the front half of Miragaia. The 2024 paper described a new specimen of Dacentrurus which had elements of the front and back, a much more complete specimen overall.

When analysed it was found that the Miragaia holotype had no identifiable differences from the new Dacentrurus specimen, because Dacentrurus was named first it's name took priority, thus Miragaia was made a junior synonym of Dacentrurus, making it invalid.
https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/article-abstract/203/3/zlae074/7696911?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

The twitter post further up I posted tmk eferring to an upcoming paper, is making an argument that there are differences, and enough to be a seperate genus again.

[plucky basin]

thats what i said, but still, that line in JWD goes hard (sad that the rest of the movie is ass)

[scenic flame]

13.8t no, but larger undiscovered individuals is a given since we only have 1-2 giga specimens, where rex has like 50

[warped peak]

They are. And it' actually paleo related, as it's from a skeletal I've yet to share

[plucky basin]

oooo, mb then

[hallow spear]

Its likely distinct

[plucky basin]

this is not peak https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KQR2qclOUlc

[rancid dove]

Kai is 6-7 meters,1 ton-2 max

[steady rock]

i know but i need a skeletal or atleast a scaling to that for something i wanna make

[river condor]

Watching factor traces new vid and I have a question:
If taurovenator, meraxes and mapusaurus were alive today, would we even see them as different species within the same genus?

My dumb self accidentally posted this in meme chat 💀

[steady rock]

how accurate is this still?

[balmy oyster]

gonna need some updating

[steady rock]

i would say completely redone as thbe weight and how their being weighed is all over the place

[round hedge]

Isn't pycno a tad too big ?

[balmy oyster]

based on projected adult size

[steady rock]

is the chart based off of max size or average?

[thorn grove]

i like how bars there is given as being the same weight as deinocheirus even though the silhouette is visually no bigger than iguanodon

[round hedge]

I think average

[thorn grove]

it's based on vibes

[steady rock]

but i dont believe stego and rex's averages are 8 tons or 10 tons

[balmy oyster]

rex is around 7 - 8

maybe this size chart is just representing the sizes the dinosaurs are ingame?

[round hedge]

Also, what did i miss here recently ?

[thorn grove]

but bars...

[balmy oyster]

bars was always awkward, glad it got a design tlc

[river condor]

Can any1 answer?

[thorn grove]

yes, there are some notable differences in proportion

also having them all be alive at the same time is kind of removing one of the big factors we use for distinguishing dinosaur species/genera, being that two animals being separated by a long time is indicative that speciation has likely happened in between, we don't assume we have the full picture just because two animals have similar looking bones

[thorn grove]

yea bars really needed that tlc, glad it got a bit downsized too I didn't really like that it was just discount shant

[river condor]

Thank you

[crisp spire]

oh god i love this

[mental slate]

Sorry to kind of be slow here to some but what's the largest Spinosaurus weight estimate again?

[fossil ingot]

8300-8500kgs

[river condor]

Chatting here always makes me feel like im so unknowledgeable im unworthy of saying i love dinosaurs

[thorn grove]

nah you can love dinos no matter how much you know

everyone is always learning anyway it's just about where you are on that journey

[river condor]

Ik but like i always feel like im so far behind everyone

[thorn grove]

you probably know a lot more than the average person, no need to beat yourself up over not knowing as much as a bunch of nerds

[river condor]

You know what? That is true actually, thank you once more

[jagged trellis]

yeah, all that matters is the info is correct, not on how much you know, because a good part of life is learning, especially in a area where a dromeosaur became a turtle and 5 other animals

[remote shadow]

And why people should allow other people to look at fossil finds

[river condor]

So back to paleo stuff, how trustable is that paper that reanalysed the sizes of 52 dinosaurs and upscaled them quite a bit?
Wait are links banned?

[undone rapids]

Pretty good paper, its not just upsizing some dinos. It was basically arguing for more soft tissue on reconstructions of dinos based on extant reptiles and how that would affect things like leg posture based on their center of mass. Basically to not make dinosaurs too shrinkwrapped

[lavish frigate]

Isn’t that the thicc Acro paper

[river condor]

Yessss my boy just got upped to rex size

[river condor]

8 ton acro my beloved

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-he-did-what-shocked-surprised-angry-gif-10867449

WHAT IN THE EVERLOVING EARLY CRETACEOUS HAPPENED?! Bro is built now 😭 🙏

[river condor]

I mean thats a biig exaggeration now that i think abt it, more like slightly smaller than what we thought rex was, paper rex reached like 11 tons

It still got a ~50% increase in size compared to 9% for Tyrannosaurus

[dry kindle]

Are dacenturus and hesperosaurus really sister taxa?

[tough parcel]

@hallow spear have fun

[plucky basin]

not really paleo-related but does anybody know where i can get this image but higher quality?

[potent bobcat]

What’s the consensus on how Parasaurolophus likely sounded? Does the trumpeting reconstruction from way back still hold up?

[jagged trellis]

partially, but they didn't account for soft tissue shifting it even if slightly

[zealous ravine]

Dude I hate that, I’m certain there’s a workaround tho, maybe smthn like obs

[plucky basin]

obs?

[bitter quest]

Troodon might be back

[fluid inlet]

No it isn’t Timmy

[fluid inlet]

The guys who posted this are paleontology guys , so that should answer your question.

[tough parcel]

Feather extent is debatable but the anatomy itself is probably good

[light osprey]

What’s going on with it’s face

[tough parcel]

Keratin extensions...

[balmy oyster]

I heard a new one on insta but idk if it’s legit or another one of those “slowed down chicken noises for Trex!!!”

[light osprey]

Dastardly

[hardy sentinel]

Basically

[hallow spear]

It’s possible given stegosaur phylogeny is awful and nothing is ever stable

[zealous ravine]

Carunkles, prolly based on moscovy ducks or smthn similar

[stiff creek]

Thoughts??

[opaque kayak]

Livy and Shoni here are wayyyy too thick

Here's the chart comped with actual skeletals

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/uKYrRtT-arI?si=S9WBTRWk5FV9CFNV for people who can’t read papers

[stiff creek]

Lord have mercy

[fluid inlet]

How heavy would Argentino be with these new estimations methods

[thorn grove]

i dont wanna say anything too definitive but I wouldn't be shocked if 100+ tons is back on the menu

[frigid delta]

how big was Cardiodon?

[sharp summit]

Anyone got some book recommendations for dinosaurs? Specifically dromaeosaurids? Asking for my friend, @subtle pike

[manic grail]

Fortnite

[lavish frigate]

Did the mod team become chill? Bro didn’t get smited for this

Also to keep on topic, Pelecanimimus. What’s up with him. Why he got scales. Where are the scales. And why is bro like that fr.

[river plinth]

So you mean we could have had bigger camptos to?....

[sudden wind]

I don't think there is a book specifically for Dromies out there

[unborn lily]

Alright, what did I miss?

[stuck wing]

Guys is it really amarga is nerfed alr?

[harsh forge]

guys what do you think spino would look like if the skeleton didint get bombed *what would our current understanding be

[opaque kayak]

Not that different. The skeleton was well described + we have casts of it, so really nothing outside of maybe a histology would change much

[harsh forge]

intresting 💖

[round hedge]

Guys, Is troodon valid again ?

[warm temple]

Imagine spino arm turned out to be the smallest among other spinosaur

[snow python]

Are eocarcharia and shaochilong carchs after all?

[fossil ingot]

Wouldn't be surprise

[balmy oyster]

No

[hardy sentinel]

So what do we think of the fact that 2 of Laten's subspecies are just Troodon now (formosus and inequalis) and since Laten might be a junior synonym of Stenonychosaurus, Laten will be the first dino with one valid subspecies (at least that aren't made up)

This is of course under the assumption that Cambridge is right about Stenonychosaurus being a junior synonym of Troodon if they can establish a neotype

[balmy oyster]

The first mistake is assuming we have the ability to assume anything in paleontology is capable of having “subspecies”

[hardy sentinel]

subspecies as in path of titans subspecies, thats the term I was referring to as thats what they are called in PoT despite being indepentent species

[balmy oyster]

Can we stop doing this in the paleontology channel?

[hardy sentinel]

I'm asking a simple question here dawg, it's mostly about the validity of Laten and if it would have only one valid subspecies in game or two. Also fym "can we stop doing this" because this is the first time anyone asked anything similar to this to my knowledge

it's also sorta a question of have any other playables had similar issues Laten/Stenony/Troodon is having validity wise in the past or present

[balmy oyster]

If you’re talking about path of titans just say you are talking about path of titans.

[cloud badger]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[hardy sentinel]

I'm asking about the path of titans dinosaurs in real life if they had similar taxonomic/validity issues as Laten and it's family is too

If you need me to simplify it more since you're jumping to conclusions,

Do dino have same issue as laten that me can play as

[short river]

That's just patronising

[balmy oyster]

“You get confused by my question because I’m treating this like #path-of-titans so ur stupid duhrrr do get question uhrrrr????”

[hardy sentinel]

Well seeing as he has been acting like such and misinterpreting all my questions, thought i'd dumb it down

[short river]

Your "dumbing it down" makes it harder to understand though.... which to me makes no sense since then why dumb it down?

[balmy oyster]

Because he got butthurt over me being reasonably confused and annoyed whether he was talking about the game or irl. This isn’t the first time someone was talking about the game like it was irl.

[hardy sentinel]

oh my god it's not even that hard to understand

Latenivenatrix and most of the other Troodontids have a confusing history and are weirdly going in and out of validity pretty often, are any other dinosaurs which happen to be playables in path of titans have the same issues or had the same issues

[turbid edge]

yup

[short river]

I was more so referring to the dumbed down version, the original question makes perfect sense to me but the grammar in the dumbed down one throws me off

[balmy oyster]

The artistry of getting butthurt and randomly starting arguments over a simple statement

[stiff osprey]

Latenivenatrix formosus (or inequalis) cannot be a valid species because that combination is impossible. It's either L.mcmasterae or T.formosus. You can't have a valid species of an invalid genus

[hardy sentinel]

that's not what i'm asking. I was refering to inequalis and formosus as in stenonychosaurus and troodon, but since I was reading em off a screen I forgot to include the genus

[balmy oyster]

Only steno would be “valid” the other two are either dubious or need more material

[stiff osprey]

So not only were you calling a species a 'subspecies', you were calling an entire genus a subspecies... yet you're butthurt fishy misinterpreted you

[severe yew]

i wonder what dinosaurs might have had blue colors 🔥 like the double crested Cormorant 🤔

https://youtube.com/shorts/EU-2ztxFm_M?feature=shared

[hardy sentinel]

But Steno is thought to be dubious because of the new cambridge paper

@stiff osprey I was referring to them as subspecies because I was half talking game talk and half talking paleontology talk since they are referred to subspecies in the game and I was saying something similar to "Would Laten only have one valid subspecies in game" not "Would Laten only have one valid subspecies in real life"

[severe yew]

Randomdinos the destroyer of dreams 😆

[balmy oyster]

And all I was trying to say was making a clear distinction between reality and the game, because the game has a different logic with its “subspecies” than irl paleontology (and by that I mean there’s functionally no “subspecies” in reality regarding a massive majority of prehistory)

[stiff osprey]

ingame Laten would not have a valid subspecies because Laten isn't valid. If it was valid it wouldn't be a member of Laten. The question doesn't make sense

[tough parcel]

Um Random...you might need to "dumb it down" for the rest of the chat!

[hardy sentinel]

Ima just rephrase the question entirely

Since Latenivenatrix has three subspecies in game (which would be species in real life) and two of the species are controversial on the thought of being invalid (Stenonychosaurus and Latenivenatrix) , would that make "Laten" the first dino in path of titans who would only have one valid subspecies (species) that is not made up to fill a 3 subspecies (species) quota

The reason I am asking this here is because it is a paleontology question

Also, I do not think Laten has ever been formally placed as invalid, just proposed

[short river]

How long has laten been invalid for? I only found out about troodon being invalid last year since I haven't really been following paleo that much

[tough parcel]

I think 2021 was when it was first made synonymous w/ Stenon

[turbid edge]

😪 only last year

[halcyon cobalt]

which spinosaurus ( spinosaurus got le nerfed again 💀) subspecies is the best? and how did spinosaurus fight against T rex and eotriceratops irl like it does ingame? I wish the bars subspecies were stronger like irl

[severe yew]

bro, valid, invalid, then valid againnto just be invalid later...

just chill and enjoy your day, bro 😎

[hardy sentinel]

Wheres the paper on that? Everyone else has been quoting the 2017 paper which proposed Latenivenatrix might be invalid and synonymous with Stenonychosaurus

[tough parcel]

It's the one by Currie and if it's 2017, I'm gonna freak out 🤗 because I keep getting the date wrong 🤗

[stiff osprey]

no, because the valid 'subspecies' is not in the genus Latenivenatrix, it's in the genus Troodon (or Stenonychosaurus, whatever)

if we ignore that the game calls it Laten and pretend that it's Troodon, then you could argue that both mcmasterae and formosus are valid, but I'm fairly sure Laten was proposed to be synonymous with S. inequalis, not a separate species within Stenon

[hardy sentinel]

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/csp/cjes/article-abstract/54/9/919/519206/Troodontids-Theropoda-from-the-Dinosaur-Park

Don't freak out

[hardy sentinel]

So have any other dinos in the game had a similar history or is Laten/Troodon just uniquely messed up

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure there’s an allosaurus maximus ingame

[stiff osprey]

most ingame animals are too recent to have had much renaming done

except rex but i forget what the alts are

and a.maximus I guess but that's an invalid species of a valid genus

[hardy sentinel]

Rex has Bataar (Tarbo) and some made up one the devs made (even tho Mcraeensis is right there)

[tough parcel]

Mcraeensis was named after Rex was added so

[halcyon cobalt]

why don’t the silly path of titans devs use precognition

[hardy sentinel]

yeah but not after the TLC was done, also could just used imperator or regina (even though now invalid) but they chose to make one up

[tough parcel]

I don't think they ever changed the names even after TLCs so I dunno why you think Rex would have been special 🥀

Like Laten got a TLC a year or so ago

[hardy sentinel]

They've changed subspecies names before even without TLCs i'm pretty sure, so I honestly expected it to change

[tough parcel]

When I can only remember...Allo maybe?

[hardy sentinel]

kinda hard to check it, I basically gotta go through old videos but i'm 90% sure it was a carnivore and a theropod

[warm temple]

It was eurhino

It have same sub name as kaiwhekea forgor which one

[cosmic flicker]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-famous-feathered-dinosaur-archaeopteryx-could-fly-suggests-new-study-of-a-beautifully-preserved-fossil-180986634/

[steady rock]

can i say on average dromeosaurids got bigger then troodontids?

[halcyon cobalt]

those Chinese troodontid footprints were pretty big

[steady rock]

always a footprint never a fossil

[balmy oyster]

Maybe but this could be due to preservation bias, we do have some decently big troodontids

[winter marsh]

latenivenatrix aka sinornithosaurus aka troodon aka wtf is going on is pretty big

[velvet sequoia]

Imagine time traveling to the Miocene and you see this Amphicyonids are hella terrifying

[candid magnet]

Wanna hug it

[velvet sequoia]

Until your face is ripped off lol

[candid magnet]

True but it'll be ok. Three women got famous off an otter attack, I'll be on every wilderness podcast

[warped peak]

My beautiful baby boy

Although the forehead will need to be reduced down the road, Hodari made it huge

Which reminds me, I should send Qigao the updated skeletal in case it helps him with anything

[warped peak]

He really that big though. I have censored the skull out of respect of authors as to not spoil the surprise of their paper

[balmy oyster]

I would go try to give it a sandwich and get mauled in two

[tough parcel]

The surprise is that it’s a late-surviving prestosuchid…

[warped peak]

It's skull feels like one.

It's like the second most robust mammal skull I have ever seen, only barely being beaten by Dinocrocuta

This is basically just a 700kg Dinocrocuta with the arms of a bear

[winter marsh]

nah ceratogaulus solos

[severe yew]

puppy 🐶

[rancid dove]

you mean🍖 for pseudocyon

[winter marsh]

no

[shell schooner]

Legit question that may sound a bit dumb. Whats the main differences between Shonisaurus and Shastasaurus??? They seem so similar to me xD

[warped peak]

Ones a blimp and ones a tube

[exotic rune]

Is nmmnh p 26083 fragilis anyone?

[fluid inlet]

Guess the Dino’s

[rich vessel]

Carnivorous theropods

[exotic rune]

Torvo and Alberto

[hardy sentinel]

I was googling why bears lost their tail (since Amphicyonids represent more basal ancestors) and I swear I am going to go to google HQ and shove a metal pipe in their AI's main computer

Like gang tell me the evolutionary benefit to losing their tails 🙏😭

I didn't even say "according to folklore" I literally asked straight up in a way that COULD NOT BE CONFUSED

So anyways why did bears lose their tails

[winter marsh]

PoT micro

[manic grail]

I think he might have confused length with height

[manic grail]

But its just a theory, a paleo theory

[plucky basin]

same vibes

[steady rock]

how accurate is my size comparison of micro and rhamp?

[plucky basin]

pretty good, but rhamph seems a bit too big

[steady rock]

idk i didnt scale up the original rhamp skeletal/image so it should be as it was originally

[outer tusk]

the rhamp is actually accurate i nsize, rhamp is FREAKING huge

[plucky basin]

dang..

[outer tusk]

espeically since Sassy's is GREAT with pterosaurs

[steady rock]

better then david peter?

[jagged trellis]

thats like saying most people do better health wise than a corpse

[steady rock]

how true is this

[hallow spear]

The only reason people feather deinocheirus was because there is potential evidence of a tail fan

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but just because there is a bone of it doesn't mean there may have even been feathers attached to it

[hallow spear]

What?..

[hardy sentinel]

So, Deinocheirus likely possessed a pygostyle (tail fan bone) but that doesn't necessarily mean there may have even been feathers on it, and coulda just been a "leftover"

[hallow spear]

Leftover of what

[tough parcel]

I mean there's more evidence for feathering than against it

[hardy sentinel]

evolutionary leftover like our tailbone. It's self explanitory when we're talking about ancient life

@tough parcel the evidence being a supposed pygostyle (which doesn't increase the odds it even had feathers) and the fact it was an Ornithomimosaur. It was also heavier than an elephant so I don't see feathers lasting

[hallow spear]

Feathering looks cool

Ergo, I am right

[tough parcel]

A) Having a pygostyle can still mean it had some sort of feathers there

B) Feathers aren't as cut-and-dry as fur is with a paper in 20(???) found they could also help in cooling better than fur

[fluid inlet]

Left over of meat loaf , stay on topic

[hardy sentinel]

I do agree that feathers can be on big dinos, but to the extend that path of titans, prehistoric planet, and the amazing dinoworld having I don't see it as likely. I see it more as the prehistoric kingdom deinocheirus with some small feathering sprinkled in there

[steady rock]

what abt nanuq?

[hardy sentinel]

What about it? Most likely retained a decent amount of feathering via neoteny. Not too far out of the idea but we got the same amount of evidence for feathers on it as Theri, very little but it's basically up to who you ask

Closest evidence we got for Theri is from Beipiaosaurus which isn't exactly a close relative and is MUCH smaller

[steady rock]

how close is nanuq to yutyrannus ? not that close?

[hardy sentinel]

Not that close, you're more related to a rabbit than Yuty is to Nanuq, but feathers are ancestral to basically all dinosaurs and pterosaurs so it's just the right set of issues your species has to have to gain back feathers.

[tough parcel]

You haven't answered A or B

[steady rock]

whats a and b? i wanna try to asnwer them

[iron halo]

guh @steady rock

[halcyon cobalt]

Neoteny? I don’t think we have any evidence that tyrannosaurids lost plumage as they aged

[hardy sentinel]

It is theorized that young Tyrannosaurs retained feathers that more basal ancestors had, but we know for a fact large adults had scales (Tyrannosaurus, Daspletosaurus, and Albertasaurus)

[halcyon cobalt]

baseless speculation would be a more apt description

[hardy sentinel]

You delivered a total of none of those in the form of a question, hence why I didn't answer them. It just seemed like you were providing facts

[tough parcel]

Because they're evidence against you, not questions

Let me use "responding" instead of "answering", in case my perfectly clear question wasn't clear enough

[hardy sentinel]

"clear questioning" where is the question mark on your "clear questioning"

Also my response is that some feathers make sense, but not full plumage most interpretations show, as for B, I believe you and I also wanna take a look at the paper because it sounds interesting

"Clear questioning" looks more like you are debunking my points which I am fine with, but don't call it clear questioning when it is not delivered in the form of a question

[tough parcel]

Intentional semantics ragebait or genuine semantics....

[hardy sentinel]

I'm so confused here, but do you have the 20(???) paper or know what it was called at least?

[steady rock]

hi

[steady rock]

did he ever find the 20(???) paper

[fluid inlet]

Google is free

[fossil ingot]

I would say that Hatchling Duck is probably better than this in terms of Feathering on Adults

[topaz shell]

That’s the naked skin

[fossil ingot]

God.
I LOVE this design

[hardy sentinel]

Telling someone to find a source you are pulling from is wild

Like gang, they claim it as their source, have your stuff ready when someone asks for said source

[outer tusk]

google is free

[hardy sentinel]

So am I supposed to scroll through hundreds to thousands of papers about birds and feathers from the last 25 years? Gualicho knows more about the paper than I do

[outer tusk]

yes

[hardy sentinel]

9/10 ragebait had me for a second

[outer tusk]

Ain't no way bro felt for the bait for even a second

[hardy sentinel]

But fr @tough parcel what's the paper called

[jagged trellis]

the real reason deinocheirus had feathers is to build up that stink aura and kill everything in a 30 meter radius

[steady rock]

why does paleontology always get people so heated?

[thorn grove]

what doesn't?

[steady rock]

hyperthermia

[halcyon cobalt]

it had the feathers to build up algae and sequester poison and then that would be eaten by the mononykus subspecies “shuvuuia”

[thorn grove]

i meant topics of discussion but i suppose you got me

wait lmfao no you didn't hyperthermia is when your body gets too hot

[halcyon cobalt]

hypothermia* wait no I’m dumb

[steady rock]

no its not??

oh it is...

[thorn grove]

hypothermia is too cold, hyperthermia is too hot

[steady rock]

what do you think the main cause of deaths to adult sauropods were? natural diasters? starvation? diease?

[thorn grove]

probably dying

[hardy sentinel]

"subspecies" 💔💔🥀🥀🥀

[halcyon cobalt]

wowwww not even acknowledging the David peters reference am I that weak

[severe yew]

wut the hell is this "the hatchling" ?

is it some kind of mobile dino park or something? lol

the deino is preety cool, though 😎

[tough parcel]

https://youtu.be/tRL5L3V9X0g?si=giuMD28g53a43CyF

[severe yew]

oh damn, nice, i'll check it out

[scenic flame]

why is nanuq lumped in with animals 4 or 5 times it's size

[steady rock]

idk ask @hardy sentinel

did falcon ever find that paper or no

[scenic flame]

arguing for very reduced feathering is reasonable but especially when dealing wit Ceolurosaurs you'd imo really want some strong evidence for no feathers, I cannot imagine an argument for Deinocheirus having a pygostyle but no tail fan of some sort other than is just lost it randomly somewhere on it's evolutionary lineage

[steady rock]

these large words are confusing, would it be alright if you told me what a ceolurosaurus and pygostyle are?

[drowsy raft]

Hey everyone! Question for you y'all! I'm a bit new to doing paleontology research as a genuine hobby! Does anyone know any good places to go to look for proper research information?

[hardy sentinel]

Because the evidence for Nanuq having feathers is basic as solid as Theri and Deinocheirus having feathers due to most of it being educated guesses and up to whoever decides to illustrate them

[halcyon cobalt]

coelurosaurs are dinosaurs more closely related to birds than they are to carnosaurs

[steady rock]

ooh alright, thank you

[lavish frigate]

Honestly I’d say to argue for a complete and total loss of feathers in any dinosaur is an impossible task since they could just be present as hair like structures that don’t fossilize

Which is why I’ll always give ankylosaurs scruffy little beards

[noble dune]

New leeds skeletal dropped

[severe yew]

just spend time reading the posts on this channel and you'll see people posting all kinds of research links (some are very good) from time to time

other than that, google can be a good friend

@drowsy raft

[drowsy raft]

Sweet! Thank you so much! That's so helpful to know! 🙂 I would love to use Google, but I don't always know how to tell if what I am reading is from an accredited source of information. If anyone knows how to tell, please let me know. 🥲 I'm honestly really wanting to go to college to study paleontology, so catching up on how to spot trustworthy sorces would be awesome. 🙂

[hardy sentinel]

That doesn't seem too problematic(us) to remember, I hope PoT sees it the same and adds something similar

[severe yew]

@drowsy raft
the thing is that there are many and i would not want to overwhelm you... 😅

• museums of natural history such as:

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/departments-and-staff/earth-sciences/vertebrate-and-anthropology-palaeobiology/dinosaurs-research-group.html

• paleontology websites from universities that end in .edu or government .gov, such as:

https://library.si.edu/research/paleontology

• and well known scientific articles from places like Nature are only some but good to start:

https://www.nature.com/search?q=paleontology+dinosaurs&order=relevance

other online libraries are accessible to only paleontology professionals but here you can sometimes read the articles that some people post and you can get a better idea

[drowsy raft]

You're literally so great for this! Thanks so much for helping! And don't worry about overwhelming me! I like to take any good articles I can and group them in a Google Doc to refer to later. 😅 lol, it's like a dragon hoard of information and links. But thank you!! Feel free to share more if you'd like or have any. >:D

[bitter quest]

Pog fish 🐟

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-dinosaur-party-rock-anthem-gif-1039273594187567070

sure, anytime 😉

[glad gorge]

can someone please tell me some cool and unique prehistoric fauna (preferably invertebrates, mammals, and plants)

[sharp dragon]

Deinocheirus Mirificus

[jagged trellis]

no way

[scenic flame]

the only solid argument for them to lose them is thermoregulation, dense coats in hot or hottish climates being detrimental, Nanuq lived in a temperate to cold envirnment and tmk is like 1-2 tons in mass so I do not see why it'd totally lose feathers

[frigid delta]

any good Pinaco paleoart?

[light osprey]

Pretty sure feathered Nanuqsaurus is a thing because folks are taking the environment into account

[scenic flame]

they may be confusing feathered nanuq and full white nanuq in regards to which is a meme

[light osprey]

Perhaps we should make Deinocheirus fully white instead

[halcyon cobalt]

polar bear nanuq vs tiger yutyrannus

[astral spindle]

Edible

[bitter quest]

David peters spinosaurus jump scare and random one

[halcyon cobalt]

that is clearly not a David peters reconstruction. It is really a wonder that you trolls can’t see the proof that he preaches

look at him go 🥹

[topaz shell]

What

[halcyon cobalt]

David peters is a modern day edward drinker cope ( minus the eugenics )

[jagged trellis]

david peters is the best croods creature designer

[severe yew]

❌

[lavish frigate]

BREAKING: david Peters invests 15 dollars in subscription to Ai image generator for totally normal non fraud reasons

[lapis steeple]

What do you guys think this is? (Late Pleistocene-early Holocene from Kansas)

I'm currently thinking it is probably some kind of bison

[plucky basin]

how heavy would the blue deinocheirus be?

[manic grail]

I'd say more than 1kg but thats just me

[light osprey]

Smaller than the yellow one

[plucky basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-islecord-no-way-bro-on-god-allosaurus-gif-26698101

[stiff osprey]

Assuming the yellow one weighs ~7 tonnes, blue one weighs about 3

[ionic crescent]

Lies, you're not taking in account the 82782 tonnes of feathers

[stiff osprey]

True, all of Deinocheirus's feathers fell off when it reached 9 meters long

[plucky basin]

another request, does anybody have this but abelisaurid instead of carcharodontosaurid?

[tough parcel]

Random, would you happen to recall where the "feathers are better at general thermoregulation than fur" paper is/what it's called

[plucky basin]

epic

[steady rock]

Will falcon ever find the paper? We may never know

[undone rapids]

Have you considered looking at you own feathers and testing them against mammalian Fur?

[steady rock]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8697956/ is this it?

[fluid inlet]

Heavier actually.

[remote shadow]

Yeah the blue one hit the gym like an addict, who knew

[halcyon cobalt]

What paleo hot takes or wild ideas do you guys have

[fluid inlet]

Sauropods could live a very long time

[ionic crescent]

Some of dinosaurs fossils could probably be either sexual dimorphism (irl example: male muscovy tends to have a more wide skeleton than females) or specimen variation (some crocodiles, depending on the nutrition to adulthood, may or may not develop some traits)

[steady rock]

edmonto is only famous because it lived with rex
ceratopsians are more fodder then hadrosaurs

[slim talon]

These are all somewhat accurate weights for all playables in PoT and one non playable
Achillobator: 550-770 lbs
Acrocanthosaurus: 8,818.49-13,227.7 lbs
Albertaceratops: 7,700 lbs
Alioramus: 1,100-1,550 lbs
Allosaurus: 3,747.8-5,952.4 lbs
Amargasaurus: 5,732-8,818.4 lbs
Ampelosaurus: 21,825.8 lbs
Anodontosaurus: 4,409.2 lbs
Apatosaurus: 39,683.2-91,050.9 lbs
Argentinosaurus: 154,324-220,462 lbs
Barsboldia: 11,023.1 lbs
Camptosaurus: 1,102.3-5,511.5 lbs
Carcharodontosaurus: 13,227.7-15,432.4 lbs
Carnotaurus: 2,866-4,629.7 lbs
Ceratosaurus: 2,204.6-4,409.2
Compsognathus: 8 lbs
Concavenator: 710-880 lbs
Daspletosaurus: 4,409.2-6,613.8 lbs
Deinocheirus: 14,330-16,093.7 lbs
Deinonychus: 150-220 lbs
Deinosuchus: 5,511.5-11,023.1
Dilophosaurus: 440.9-881.8 lbs
Dimetrodon: 60-550 lbs
Dunkleosteus: 2,090-2,650 lbs
Edmontosaurus: 7,716.1-11,023.1 lbs
Eotriceratops: 19,841.6-24,250.8 lbs
Eurhinosaurus: 1,000-2,000 lbs
Giganotosaurus: 13,227.7-17,637 lbs
Hatzegopteryx: 440-550 lbs
Iguanodon: 8,818,4-11,023.1 lbs
Kaiwhekea: 2,000 lbs
Kentrosaurus: 2,200 lbs
Kryptops: 3,306.9 lbs
Lambeosaurus: 5,732-7,495.7 lbs
Latenivenatrix: 353 lbs
Megalania: 1,268-4,280 lbs
Metriacanthosaurus: 2,204.6 lbs
Miragaia: 4,409.2 lbs
Ocepechelon: unkown
Pachycephalosaurus: 815.7-992 lbs
Parasaurolophus: depending on species can be 5,511.5, 7,936.6, 14,550.5, and even 27,778.2 lbs so wide range
Platyhystrix: 5-550 lbs
Pycnonemosaurus: 7,054.7-7,946.6 lbs
Quetzalcoatlus: 200-500 lbs
Rhamphorhynchus: 1.5 lbs
Sachicasaurus: 26,455.5 lbs
Sarcosuchus: 7,495.7-9,479.8 lbs
Smilodon: 350-620 lbs
Spinosaurus: 13,227.7-17,637 lbs
Squalicorax: 500-1,000 lbs
Stegosaurus: 11,023.1-15,432.4 lbs
Struthiomimus: 330 lbs
Styracosaurus: 5,952.4 lbs
Suchomimus: 5,511.56-8,377.5 lbs
Therizinosaurus: 11,023.1 lbs
Triceratops: 11,023.1-19,841.6 lbs maybe 13,227.7-22,046.2 lbs
Tylosaurus: 19,841.6-44,092.5 lbs
Tyrannosaurus: 17,637-22,046.2 lbs
Tyrannotitan: 13,227.7-16,314.2 lbs
Utahraptor: 551.1-771.6 lbs or on heavier range 1,543.2 lbs
Yunnanosaurus: 551-5,732 lbs
Yutyrannus: 3,117 lbs
Zhuchengtyrannus: 11,023.1-13,227.7 lbs
If anything is wrong or I missed some stuff lemme know but this took way too long

[steady rock]

translate this to pounds and tons

[slim talon]

it is in pounds

[warm temple]

Kg

[slim talon]

people making me suffer over here

[steady rock]

you can do it, you can do it

convert it to tons actually

[slim talon]

ok

metric tons?

[steady rock]

uhm yeah, i think?

[balmy oyster]

this is all practically useless because dinosaur weights are used in kgs/tons

okay maybe "useless" too harsh, but people will need to have to translate all of this individual by individual
btw where did you get these

[steady rock]

exactly

[warm temple]

As if they can't be conversed to kg and tons
Why do american love complicating thing just use metric smh

[balmy oyster]

okay go have fun converting each and every one into kgs and tons!

[warm temple]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[slim talon]

im canadian I just wanted to use pounds for lighter stuff then decided why not make it all nice and do all in pounds

[stiff osprey]

i kind of vibe with using pounds for lighter animals but once you get into the thousands it's like what does that even mean

[halcyon cobalt]

can we start measuring dinosaur size by volume

[balmy oyster]

measure dinosaurs by cheeseburgers per bald eagle

[warped peak]

These definitely need a run over gonna be honest

A lot are very wrong, like Kryptops

[warm temple]

Hell yeah:🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸

[balmy oyster]

i checked acro and its honestly solid, though on the lighter side

[plucky basin]

grams exist 😭

[warped peak]

Kryptops, Zhucheng, Kai, Smilodon, Yuty off the too do my head are way off

[warm temple]

Anyone got good up to date stego and iggy skeletal?

[plucky basin]

bro, i saw a rayban ad and they said that this was a deinonychus

[light osprey]

For smaller animals the humble gram and kilogram come into play

[balmy oyster]

iguanadon should be solid but stego will probably get some changes in the future, though as of rn these are the most 'up-to-date'

[warm temple]

Ty ty

The largest steg specimen is as big as jp stego dam

[stiff osprey]

TLW stego is 12 meters tho

[steady rock]

when did you become a backer?

[stiff osprey]

sometime last week

[lavish frigate]

This is clearly deinonychus as it rhymes with grug

[plucky basin]

dang, you're right, my bad

[plucky basin]

ooooooo

[exotic rune]

@stiff osprey is nmmnh p 26083 fragilis?

[stiff osprey]

maybe

[wary heath]

For yangchuanosaurus, are the 2 recognized species magnus and shangyouensis?

Because I heard that shangyouensis is actually just a younger magnus.

[stiff osprey]

*magnus is an older shangyouensis, shang was named first and thus magnus becomes invalid

[zealous ravine]

Iirc there’s another species from the lower Shax that may or may not be Yang

[steady rock]

i have a question, how can you tell if something is a different species of the same dinosaur, the same dinosaur or a whole new creature?

[zealous ravine]

That’s the million dollar question isn’t it lol

[steady rock]

is it a dumb question? :(

[stiff osprey]

each dinosaur is distinguished from other species by a set of traits defined by the authors. if those traits appear in a different species, or are somehow shown to be variable through age, disease etc., then they cannot be used to distinguish a species anymore, and one gets lumped into another

[thorn grove]

no just hard to answer

[steady rock]

may you use allo as a example on why it can have 3 species?

[zealous ravine]

Nope, it’s a question we’re still trying to figure out lol, it’s the reason there’s so much debate around lumping and splitting and whatnot. That said, like random said, there are some things like morphology and phylogeny we can generally use to varying extents. There’s also some research in the works to hopefully clarify things a bit on the species level through comparison to extant species.

[stiff osprey]

the combination of traits shown in jimmadseni and anax is more similar to allosaurus fragilis than to any other animal not named allosaurus

they could have named them as new genera if they wanted to, but they decided to put them in the genus Allosaurus because it's closer to Allosaurus than to anything else

genera are arbitrary, you could put every tyrannosaurid into the genus Tyrannosaurus if you wanted to. but it wouldn't be accepted by the wider community because it makes things way more confusing than having them separated into gorgo, alberto, das, tarbo, tyranno etc

''how big is tyrannosaurus''
''between 1 and 12 tonnes depending on species''

[steady rock]

isnt it 13 tonnes?

[stiff osprey]

it's a distorted incomplete and undescribed femur i wouldn't make super specific estimates

[thorn grove]

goliath has been kinda annoying everyone just takes 12.9 tons at face value and conveniently ignores that we don't have taphonomic info and that that's the upper estimate anyway

[steady rock]

what does taphonomic mean?

[stiff osprey]

tbf it is the largest theropod specimen known minus brazilocaudus giganteus it's just not worth arguing if it rounds up or down to 11 or 12 or 13 t without more info

[thorn grove]

yea it's just frustrating when people take a certain estimate as gospel when even the source of the estimate acknowledged it being unreliable

[compact saddle]

Question: how accurate is pot metricanthosaurus's model?

[jagged trellis]

not
even w us not having too much on metri, we have a good bit on relatives
big arms be one of the main problems

[thorn grove]

relating to how fossils form and if they undergo any changes between deposition and now

[steady rock]

has there ever been scalings of a 10 ton stego?

[light osprey]

The humble mammal tooth taxon:

[stiff osprey]

what mammal tooth taxon varies 12fold in size i am not a boobologist

[light osprey]

All of them

[warped peak]

Megistotherium

[tough parcel]

The Hyaenodon

[hallow spear]

Yes based on allometry

[steady rock]

whats allometry

[fluid inlet]

It’s allometry

[thorn grove]

what he's referring to is using allometric scaling equations to arrive at weight estimates typically based on limb bone dimensions

[white matrix]

there's a 10 ton stego??!?!

[rare nexus]

For those who don't know

[fluid inlet]

Does he know

[rare nexus]

Does he know

[timber slate]

I didn't know

[fluid inlet]

lol

[warm temple]

Those who know💀

[hardy sentinel]

What does the tinier skull belong to? it looks familiar but I can't put my finger on it

[warm temple]

Centrosaurus?

[rare nexus]

Whats everyone's opinion on the bars remodel? Does it accurate enough? (From what we know)

[halcyon cobalt]

Not enough quills or display features

[elfin pulsar]

From what we know (which isn’t much) yeah, imo it’s also one of the best looking models in the game very aesthetically pleasing and well made

The sub you sent is based on ourano tho so not the best for bars necessarily

For base bars pretty positive it’s great. Especially since this is bars material and it matches the dip https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605788102975291414/1371945705995899021/image0.png?ex=682b9301&is=682a4181&hm=e0ddfc2f7ae774b303b2d1ed9747a20477ba74697391c54b2884aab5006efbab&

[rare nexus]

The stance i thought was pretty good for its bipedal stance. Seems well balanced.

[rancid dove]

Cretoxyrhina

[tiny holly]

oh my god it IS based on ourano you're right, dunno why that never clicked for me. maybe thats why I'm drawn to that sub specifically so much

[proud prawn]

There's a reason I always put it with a range of +- 1500 kg

But of course people take that out of context and only use the higher estimates (although tbf it's probably higher than 13 tonnes now with Dempsey's soft tissue levels)

[thorn grove]

Both true although I was referring to the before time

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/v7iLJnNod-M?si=zNZSkAdaFcAnpulw

[harsh forge]

why does it step so loudly 😭

[swift sand]

https://youtu.be/2K9HAxSetTs?si=QflG3xPznW_X7KsP

[umbral kite]

why do gorrillas have such big teeth when they eat mostly plants

[lavish frigate]

They’re good for eating vegetation, and apparently males use them as a display thing

[plucky basin]

just in case they gotta fight 100 humans

[manic grail]

Their bite is incredibly strong too. Much much stronger than lions

[umbral kite]

y though like is eating plant that tough or something

[white matrix]

carnivore ancestors and there is no reason to loose them as they are good for fighting off predators and fighting other gorillas

[cloud badger]

You have no idea how hard it is to chew plants, meat is easy to chew

[remote shadow]

This mostly there’s a reason we cook most veggies to hell before eating them.

[low raven]

What’s their bite force ?

[cloud badger]

1300psi about 300 more than a lion

[crisp spire]

my biteforce

[warped peak]

PSI is not a good measurement of bite force

[cloud badger]

I know I just don't know where to find the newton for gorillas I believe someone said in here 4500 for lion or something like that tho

[cloud badger]

Do you have anything I didn't find any trusty thing yet

[white matrix]

What is the current consensus about cheeked herbivores?

[zealous ravine]

Pretty likely

[outer tusk]

Do people forget newtons exist 😭

[thorn grove]

Newton? That guy who got hit by an apple? What does he have to do with this?

[undone rapids]

The Apple had a Biteforce bigger than Rex

[manic grail]

1 newton = the force of 1 apple falling from a tree

[cloud badger]

No it's the force of 1 apple hitting your head after falling from a tree

[steady rock]

gastonia looks stoned as hell

[proud horizon]

Interestingly Jaguars have a much stronger bite force than any other big cat

[sonic loom]

Go outside and try eating a stick! A lot of the vegetation in their diet is very fibrous and requires a lot of chewing and strong jaws. This is part of the reason for their very prominent sagittal crest which gives them their incredible jaw strength! That crest is why they have such a large “forehead”. Silverbacks have larger ones for, as
President Karson said, protection of their troop and to compete with rival males who threaten their harem. Though males are not overly domineering in other cases.

Gorillas are so cool :3

[steady rock]

i eat paper meaning i have already bested the stick.

[sonic loom]

Modern vegetables have also been selectively bred to be much more nutritious and easier to eat. The rise in farming also saw the jaw size in humans decrease as such intense chewing became less and less necessary. Coincidentally, it’s theorized that modern farming practices are why we tend to need our wisdom teeth removed!

Smaller jaw means less room for teeth and those teeth, once necessary for the vigorous wear from fibrous plants, are no longer as necessary. : ) Though of course, like most biology, there is variance. And some folks can accommodate their wisdom teeth.

[scenic flame]

also some vegetation is just hard to digest and extract nutrience from, or has toxins

[trail igloo]

....

[sonic loom]

Yeah! TW Potentially Gross Science Fact: ||That’s why some animals, including Gorillas, engage in coprophagy, consumption of feces to absorb nutrients that weren’t caught the first time!||

[trail igloo]

💀 what are we talking about

[sonic loom]

Primatology!

[warped peak]

Sloane's hobbies

[covert relic]

That's an absolute lie and it's never been recorded that high.
On average a male adult lowland gorilla has About 800psi recorded bite force.

[trail igloo]

🍴

[covert relic]

You'll find that nowhere is it actually recorded on a paper or anything above 800.
The 1300 cones from a grossly overestimated sum in the early 90s that is still perpetuated even on the Internet.
We've since then actually recorded results with the animals and while impressive a gorilla is not a monster

[rancid dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OceansAreFuckingLit/comments/1hku70n/bull_shark_claims_a_crocodile/

https://www.reddit.com/r/OceansAreFuckingLit/comments/1klc5y1/baby_steps_to_the_big_blue/

[steady rock]

you will survive
what would hurt more
getting bit by a camarasaurus or a large hadrosaurid?

[trail igloo]

Megalodon had an estimated bite force of 40,000 PSI ☝️

[tough parcel]

Um...my alpha male podcast said the silverback gorilla could tear a tiger in half with its teeth...

[remote shadow]

My sigma male podcast said a trex could crush a Honda odyssey in one bite

[trail igloo]

Gorillas are not natural predators their teeth are built for grinding vegetation, not for ripping apart prey. So while a silverback is undeniably strong, the idea of it tearing a tiger in half with its teeth is more fantasy than fact. I think

[stiff osprey]

Mfs think the average gorilla is King Kong

[remote shadow]

Hey man, we just want justice for harambe

[stiff osprey]

Also depending on your definition of crush? Probably true. Could at least tear the roof off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aADio2uStTY

[remote shadow]

You know, fair, should have been more specific. Also I remember when that came out originally…
im getting old sigh

[manic grail]

I dont do this i think

[umbral kite]

dont gorriles eat the leaf of the stick and not the stick it self

[sonic loom]

Bamboo shoots and stems! Not literally sticks, but I was being a hyperbolic for fun : )

[fluid inlet]

@proud prawn is right, I personally felt that prehistoric planet set the bar way too high and now everything else has to try to match it. IMO.

[scenic flame]

for me so far from the trailers and clips it's the immersion that I really take issue with, it just doesn't feel the same as the first
could change but I'm still worried about it

[tough parcel]

This is just demonstrably false

It has the same quality of early 2000s CGI while things like Dinosaur Revolution show that it isn't just "Prehistoric Planet raising the bar". The bar has been high for quite some time

[hardy sentinel]

Display

[frigid delta]

why does ankylosaurids and nodosaurs in general are small?
sure, they still weighs a ton
but nowadays Anky's max size is 5.5t iirc which i would consider it to be medium sized
any reason?

[fluid inlet]

What the hell is this 💀

[hardy sentinel]

Lower to the ground = Harder to flip = Juicy soft underside is hard to bite = survive and spread on more genes to be lower to the ground

[scenic flame]

baby rex sigularity

[tough parcel]

Dinosaur Revolution

The Definitely Legal Version I grabbed it from didn't age well cause it was uploaded like...10 years ago maybe?

[frigid delta]

the less weight the more protected?

[hardy sentinel]

No, the more area you are spread out the more protected. If you are lower to the ground and have a hide back it is harder to get to the parts of your body which can sustain heavier damage

The predators the "smaller" Nodosaurids lived with still couldn't flip them because Nodosaurids tend to have sharp spikes on their sides. and Ankylosaurids weigh a lot more.

Also Ankylosaurus weighs around 4 tons, which is still very hard to flip by Tyrannosaurus standards

I also said nothing about weight in the statement you responded to

[frigid delta]

4 tons is hella small but thx for the explanation
-# rip 7-8 tons Anky you will (not?) be missed

[hardy sentinel]

4 tons is not small, it's the weight of an African elephant. Try to flip a pancake of dense material half your weight using just your mouth and you'll find it is indeed, not hella small

[compact leaf]

even ignoring model quality the animation is pretty lackluster here

[tough parcel]

The Infernodrakon locks up completely when being carried away

Like a GMod model being frozen

[frigid delta]

what if i use my feet 😏

[hardy sentinel]

wouldn't be easier, but also be bent over your feet rather than them being right under you while you do it, while that pancake of dense material rams a sledgehammer into your leg

Ankylosaurs were not small and were not to be messed with

[frigid delta]

so no Anky skateboard?

regardless of our Anky discussion, what would happened to this guy irl if the weight & length stays on?

[warped peak]

This was my exact thought. The Rex foot moves so stiffly

[lavish frigate]

I was already a bit pessimistic about the new WWD due to the real life segments, but the cgi is just kinda lackluster, wasn’t expecting a prehistoric planet by any means but this just ain’t it for me

[white matrix]

are terror birds like kelenken considered theropods ?

[lavish frigate]

All birds are

[cloud badger]

That is interesting

[white matrix]

i mean i guess so they are all bipedal dinosaurs but kelenken was there man . large theropod dinosaurs almost made a comeback

[compact leaf]

it doesn’t help that they put it right out in the open with no vegetation to hide it a bit

[hardy sentinel]

is WWD 2025 out?

[thorn grove]

They’re not considered Theropods because of their bipedalism, they’re considered Theropods because they are bracketed in the clade Theropoda as a result of evolving from Theropods

[short river]

You mean to tell me the spec evo quadrapedal bird I just decided exists would still be a therapod? Because I think that'd be funny

[severe yew]

Halloween mask

either that, or those dinos sniffing some illegal stuff, lol

[hardy sentinel]

ts so ahh 🥀 🥀 💔

Also whatever pterosaur that was literally just uses Prehistoric Planet's Quetzal sounds

[severe yew]

my Honda Odyssey said only in its dreams

[short river]

The rex's or the honda's?

[hardy sentinel]

Literally just Prehistoric planet Quetzalcoatlus noises. This is so lazy

[fluid inlet]

If you can beat them join them 💀

[hardy sentinel]

usually to join someone you gotta get to their level 💀

[short river]

Could always try bringing them to yours

[outer tusk]

That's not the same sound

[hardy sentinel]

Not saying it was, but it's eerily similar and I'm not about to go through every clip in PP with an Azdharkid yelling just to say the fact that WWD copied off of prehistoric planet's paper and changed the punctuation here

[fluid inlet]

Also weird that it made a loud honk AFTER getting its neck completed crushed while locked in the T. rex jaws

[plucky basin]

carcharodontosaurs are so peak 🔥

[hardy sentinel]

worst part is it can't even be interpreted as air gushing out quickly like an animal would wake when it gets it's throat crushed, because we see it get it's neck crushed and then make the noise

[lavish frigate]

Admittedly if I made anything like this I’d probably do the same lol, the honks are just perfect for azhdarchids in a weird way

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but at least use different honks, you'd think it was copy/paste

[lavish frigate]

If they really wanted to get creative they could’ve done one of those bird hisses, haven’t really heard a pterosaur do that

[fluid inlet]

I’m all for all dinosaur stuff in 2025 but I can’t help but feel this looks underwhelming ( WWD2)

[hardy sentinel]

I ain't saying the honks aren't creative, it's that they used the same bird at the same pitch and same length as all the Quetz calls in Prehistoric Planet

[stray saddle]

Crazy how a carcharontosaurus would crush a sucho skull

They both are adult

[fluid inlet]

He wouldn’t be crushing any sucho skull considering they weren’t in the same era

[manic grail]

Both are very thin from the front but suchos is much much thinner

[balmy oyster]

the nefarious wormhole creating carcharodontosaurus individual:

[stray saddle]

No way. Thanks for the clarification

Obviously I know lool

[steady rock]

i cry my spy why dinosaur no right before die

[open compass]

Isn't that same sound pack?

[open compass]

Prehistoric Planet is so lazyy it reused Planet Dinosaur sound 🥱
It's same soundpack, it's not laziness

Also this, they used Jurassic Park's sound as main sound for their tyrannosaurus, that sound is realistic but it's weird, they could make their own main sound

(also yeah, WWD2 used that rex sound effect on the trailer)

[rose gate]

I can bet People would Go Fund Me for a Remake of the OG WWD series with updated models and species fixes in the fauna. A masterpiece improved.

[hardy sentinel]

Only if it would have the same visual quality as prehistoric planet

[opaque kayak]

NGL WWD cooked with this one

[open compass]

It's not that easy, they got a lot of budget for making PhP

[zealous ravine]

Believe it or not folks but trying to reconstruct a crushed skull ain’t easy

[manic grail]

Most definitely

[zealous ravine]

And it turns out it might not even be as crushed as I thought it was, which is insane

[fluid inlet]

Which Dino?

[zealous ravine]

Xiongguanlong

[fluid inlet]

Yeah that’s a a very slender skull my guy

[zealous ravine]

Part of the reason I did this recon is cause I wasn’t super convinced with other recons but I’m beginning to think they may be right lol

[swift sand]

https://youtu.be/7CaET6gN2aM?si=c0Wg9w_Pqzt7P4S5

[manic grail]

Dinosaur king cgi

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/_archesuchus_/status/1924622413263737106?s=46

🍉Archesuchus🪶 (@_Archesuchus_)

Path of Titans gameplay looks kinda better than this I'm ngl.

X · May 20, 2025, 12:25 AM

[severe yew]

so how many years will it take you?

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us-joel-miller-coffee-drink-drinking-coffee-gif-27411955

[sterile trail]

If you got the chance to name any dinosaur, what would you name it?

Me personally, if i got to name a dinosaur, specifically a Megaraptoran, I think I'd name it something like Lunavenator. How about you?

[halcyon cobalt]

Probably name a tyrannosaur paracarcharodontosaurus

[swift sand]

Lol everyone hating on WWD cos it doesnt have PP level cgi smh

[tough parcel]

@swift sand

[topaz shell]

Fr bro
Maybe

[swift sand]

Well thats your opinion i dont mind the cgi

[halcyon cobalt]

some people don’t have high standards

[pastel yarrow]

Soo
Is troodon back or not?

[wraith jungle]

Im sorry but what is this dorsal?

[opaque kayak]

Where did you get this dorsal? I know stego did his gdi with one which was different

Also, what is wrong with it?

[elfin leaf]

To be entirely fair it's not like giganotosaurus has any reliable and good dorsal view

[fluid inlet]

Any word on what the new material of the new Giga specimen is

[elfin leaf]

Hartman's might be based on the mounts, most others are based on Bates' acrocanthosaurus
We have ribs from cf. Taurovenator but they're not figured or measured, giga supposedly have some ribs as well but their completeness is unknown

[wraith jungle]

Exactly my point

[opaque kayak]

You can use this one if you need

[sharp dragon]

Simon.

[wraith jungle]

Gladly

[snow python]

How long was carch?

[elfin leaf]

Depends, atm carch is only a pretty complete skull (minus the lower jaw).
Based on its position in different phylogenies here's what you get:

• Based on Tyrannotitan, ~12.4m
• Based on Tameryraptor ~12m
• Based on cf.Taurovenator/Meraxes ~12.9-13m

To be safe saying 12-13m is good

[native kindle]

12-13m is always good, if anyone ever hassles you for specifics tell em they don't matter lol

[green helm]

is this accurate (dont ask why makima is in there i have no idea either)

[ripe walrus]

https://youtu.be/6m1eOoUoVao?si=ii0XMMptDw0r-qs9

[opaque kayak]

Yes

[outer tusk]

If dinoshark with a real animal what would it look like the msot

[blazing ridge]

Dinoshark

[umbral kite]

she trying to manipulate the fossils as while she be doing it to every one

[hallow spear]

I’m pretty sure you can get it larger using tamery, I think random used something else to downsize it

[elfin leaf]

That's what most recon using Tamery gets, like Folkes' or Franoys'
SIW got it slightly larger so it's possible
Still think that 12-13m is a safe range

[hallow spear]

My favourite is Taurovenator since it gets extremely close results to Tyrannotitan, And I feel like 2 animals getting very similar results is usually favourable

[elfin leaf]

It gets decently larger results, PaleoNerd's is way larger than his giga despite the latter having a bigger skull (his giga is already ~8,5t). Using Dan's taurovenator is even worse

[hallow spear]

I’ve measured it, it’s very close to randoms tyranntoitan

It should be about 12.6-12.8m

[elfin leaf]

I don't understand how it's possible due to the body/skull size ratio being so different between titan and tauro

[hallow spear]

I don’t know either but size wise they are extremely similar, this also includes length. Proportionally they do differ however

[hallow spear]

also, its not that much larger than you say it is, they are only .09cm difference in standing length, assuming the posture is similar enough
if i recall correctly someone measured PNs centre length at like 12.5m?

[elfin leaf]

Ok so carcha :
159-160cm skull

Taurovenator (Dan's):
Femur = 118cm
Skull = 135cm
Length = 11.8m

Tyrannotitan paratype (Random's):
Femur = 133cm
Skull = 151cm
Length= 11.6m

Using Dan tauro carcha is 13.9m, using PaleoNerd Tauro carcha is 13.1m
Using Random's Tyrannotitan carcha is 12.3m

[hallow spear]

12.4m for randoms scaling, and using PNs Taurovenator scaling it is most cerainly not 13.1m

it doesnt just gain 1.1m from posture, especially not in the posture PN gave it

[elfin leaf]

I just did the math, 1 6/1.51 * 11.6 = 12.29
Measured PaleoNerd Tauro and got 11.15m which rounded to 11.2 gets you 13.1m

[hallow spear]

that isnt the scaling PN used then, because this isnt 13.1m

[elfin leaf]

Means he didn't use his Tauro then
We're debating over centimeters, for an only skull something so trivial as 50cm of overall length is nothing

[lavish frigate]

It’s peak

[hallow spear]

he did use tauro thats what im interested in, since its not 13.1m, and the holotype giga is about the same size as his carch, if using the dentary, it would be larger
since his giga is scaled to the holotype

[tough parcel]

Heartbreaking: Most repetitive franchise you know just made a good film 💔

[hallow spear]

Wait where did you get 11.6m from? since PNs tauro is 10.6m standing length, and probably 11m centre length
PN doesnt know how to measure centre length so non of his skeletals have it listed

[elfin leaf]

I can try to re-measure his Tauro, can't right now but if it was closer to ~11m it would explain the difference
However still very different to Dan's estimate using Tauro, no disrespect to Paleonerd but I would prefer to use the paper's skeletal especially when we get such a good one.

Still it's strange to find carcharodontosaurus being bigger than the giganotosaurus holotype despite having a smaller skull

[hallow spear]

GIga seems to be proportionally bigger headed so its not that weird, especially sicne carch clades more basal which seems to have smaller heads
or well. My bad we dont actually know if it confidently clades more basal

[elfin leaf]

PaleoNerd is 11.15m from what I've mesured
Random Titan is 11.6, Dan Tauro is 11.8

Also, it's actually not true if Meraxes and Taurovenator are the derived ones...

[hallow spear]

Yup, I’m really interested in what happens if you include both the reffered tauro material and the tamery material since both of their respective papers have phylogeny’s that lack a key carch included, if meraxes and carch are basal, then carch being larger has a much more likely outcome

[elfin leaf]

I'll be honest and say that this is debating about very much nothing...

Current carch phylogenetic trees are lackluster like you said, carcharodontosaurus is only a skull, using a range of 12.-13m is already a very good interval for such remains

[hallow spear]

agreed
i was mainly debating about the scaling not seeming to match up with the skeletal, not about its size necessarily. albeit at the start i was

[lavish frigate]

It doesn’t even have that absolutely lovely (horrendous disgusting) blue filter over everything that we all clearly love!

[hallow spear]

This is still an unresolved thing which im quite disappointed no one has tried to do a matrix which includes all the relevant carch characters from the Cf Tauro & Tamery paper

[elfin leaf]

I truly think that there are BIG carcharodontosaurs in North Africa, Sauroniops and the partial femur described in Cau's paper are a good example. Similarly to carch they are HUGE, but how huge can't properly be estimated with such lackluster remains and unstable/incomplete phylogenies

[hallow spear]

MY DISCORD HAS CRASHED 3 TIMES HELP

[ripe walrus]

🔥 🔥

[lavish frigate]

It looks so wrong lol, what’d they do to him

He’s too small now too

[elfin leaf]

He would look so good with a longer neck

[ripe walrus]

In my opinion i love the new design

[lavish frigate]

Honestly I think the design has a lot of charm

[hallow spear]

its just not spino atp

[ancient crystal]

Well its not supposed to be a "good" spino

Its a failed attempt at cloning one, which I think the design communicates very well

[hardy sentinel]

What is innacurate about PoT Allosaurus? It mostly matches but something doesn't seem right to me

[warped peak]

It's arms are too beefy IIRC

[next moss]

The Rex looks awesome

[fossil ingot]

Spino doesn't Look that Ugly here

[lavish frigate]

This is just majestic (the quality sucks but still)

Also I think the fins might be sexually dimorphic which is fun

[astral spindle]

Oh, Wise and almighty @stiff osprey , what is the new true size of Acrocanthosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

the largest one ranges from 11.2-11.8 meters and 5.8-8.3 tonnes. I'd need a better idea of Fran's material to be more specific

[regal cloak]

Acro is totally the largest land carnivore ever(it’s not)

[tender fjord]

Anybody know what this is,

[frosty anvil]

Hi guys! Discord now has a quest for a DILOPHOSAURUS PROFILE ICON you can get through a quest! Its sadly only available on PC, but if you're interested you can go to Gift Inventory -> Quests and watch the Jurassic World Rebirth trailer to get it! Its sadly not paleo-accurate, but its cool enough to me!

[primal ice]

Rex has aura now idk why he's means business

Love the rex look now he looks mean and more bulky I love it

[manic grail]

How epic would it be if the spinos killed the rex. It would be JW saying "unlike back in jp3, accurate spino would lose, but 3 spinos do the job". Rex fans couldnt have any arguments because its just true

[primal ice]

Accurate rex still beats both you also cant lie but I have a feeling this rex might kill the spinos and leave one to live

[manic grail]

Accurate rex aint beating 3 spinos

[primal ice]

Ahem no but the 3 spino would get hurn one snap on their thin necks dead instantly or rip arm of can go either way but but I do agree yes just that people think rex can't handle 3 things I'm not glazing bur rex is bulky spino isn't and rex has good hips to turn spino isn't that I'm not saying no just saying rex is not what you think

[lavish frigate]

Like, it’s not accurate obviously but for some reason this just feels like what the name “T.rex” invokes

[jagged trellis]

three 7 ton armed animals would absolutely beat one 8 ton crunch animal lmao

[manic grail]

The spinos arent just gonna present their necks to the rex. "Rex is not what you think" i never said rex is weak or something like that. If anything then spino is not what you think if you think rex can take on 3 of them

[jagged trellis]

anyways paleo chat am i right, how is that new soft tissue reshape paper going on reception and reasonability

[primal ice]

I'm not saying it can beat every single one but I'm gonna say this animals in real life can win a whole pack example a someone dog chased down 10 or 8 coyotes and and won its a real story but I'm still learning stuff of course but I also know it depends on the environment the battle takes place animals can win a 1 v many it's just not seen often but ya your argument stand but I'm just saying

[hallow spear]

Dempsey et al 2025?

[jagged trellis]

believe so

[hallow spear]

It doesnt really change anything, its mainly trying to put into debate a more objective means of estimating animals without relying on the minimum of convex hulls themselves

[mortal fossil]

Remember
If you think your paleo design is bad

Remember some moron put a whale throat as a Mosa belly and thought it’s a passable design

[jagged trellis]

right, know most of the bit itself isn't going crazy on shifts, weren't the only major weight shifts some sauropods and acro pushing from it, and a smaller hump vs sail bit(?)

[hardy sentinel]

By far the most accurate Rex in the Jurassic Park verse

[opaque kayak]

Tbh I liked the outright monster looking mosa in jw series

[mortal fossil]

It also was unironically more accurate
The jaws, the scales, the inner jaws

The flipper

The only inaccuracies were the scutes and the tail flipper not being big enough (it was also designed a year before the flipper tail was discovered)

The new mosa is just bad

[ripe walrus]

Are we really arguing about who would win in a fight between 3Spinos vs 1T.rex isn't obvious🙏💀

[hardy sentinel]

@mortal fossil why do you disagree with me that the Rex is the most accurate in the JP universe? Is there a more accurate one I don't know about?

[mortal fossil]

It looks like an upscaled Albertosaurus and not a Tyrannosaurus

The chin is too thin, the dog brows look bad and the chest is way too square shaped
The belly is more skinny somehow

Dominion Rexy and The Lost World Buck looked better even with their skull shape inaccuracies

[ripe walrus]

It doesn't look like an Albertosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah, but Rexy and Buck lack noticable keratinous eyebrow crests and also have pronated wrists, while this one is also bulkier. It is objectively more accurate

Also from what I can see this new Rex is less upright as Dominion Rexy and Buck

[hushed fossil]

You can't be serious dawg. I see your reasonings haven't changed one bit. Still as incoherent as ever

[mortal fossil]

New one is a downgrade

[opaque kayak]

Btw I have actually made this scene of Spino and Mosa from the trailer and replaced JWR spino with the old but more accurate spino and mosa with Aust Colossus, and they look similar af

[hardy sentinel]

So you'd prefer the still starved, paino player with no eyebrows to peak?

[mortal fossil]

I don’t see how it is “peak” when it’s just as skinny but having a worse skull and the wrong eyebrow shape

[undone rapids]

I like the new one more

[opaque kayak]

hmmm

[hardy sentinel]

New Rex has

Keratinous eyebrows (which I will admit look a bit Albertosaurine)

Pronated Wrists

A correct posture

And bulk.

This makes new Rex more accurate, the lack of such makes the old Rexes less accurate

[ripe walrus]

I like the green Spino it reminds me of the lost world kenner toy Spino

[hardy sentinel]

@mortal fossil what parts do you disagree with? The thumbs down do not contribute to the conversation nor does it prove your point

Bonkers

[mortal fossil]

Buck literally have keratinous eyebrows as well as the nasal ridge

I literally explained already why the skull is wrong, if you all read my message instead of dogpiling me then we would have a discussion

Also you see the ribs of this Rex so it’s not any bulkier

[opaque kayak]

BTW, nowadays Spino's vibe lowkey changed since the torso's not as thick, but the tail is thicker + longer (extra caudals), but old Spino with the thick body does kinda look like jwr spino

[ripe walrus]

True

[manic grail]

Just asking are the skinny legs accurate?

[lavish frigate]

I mean sure that’s inaccurate but I still quite like the design, this movie has honestly been really good with designs so far at least imo

[hardy sentinel]

That's still a lot more shrink wrapped than new Rex. As well as new Rex having more belly whereas older Rexes are much thinner

Just because they didn't go all the way doesn't mean the older ones are more accurate

[opaque kayak]

Yeah, spino legs have been like that since 2014

[opaque kayak]

Hmmm, I scaled the JWR spino to lore size (12 meters), and it unironically KINDA looks similar. Big diff of having thick legs is true for every theropod in JW as well anyways.

[manic grail]

Just realized. I usually look at the skeletals so seeing it without bones made it look kind of different for a moment there

[mortal fossil]

Dominion Rexes look a lot more like Rex even if they didn’t go for the robust look

They look like the Stan skeletal and other skinnier Rexes

They also unpronated them

I would agree with if it was just JW (1) Rexy which

Sure I am not arguing against that one at all

But it has as many inaccuracies as the Lost World Rexes and have more than Dominion

[fossil ingot]

JWR Rebirth is Legit Stated Bulkier than Rexy
Saying its more Skinny or Skin wrapped than her is Crazy

[opaque kayak]

Lol bro built like this 💀

[mortal fossil]

“Show, don’t tell”

I don’t believe what the directors ask let alone what they say after they unironically called Giga a “joker” and the other dumb things they stated

[manic grail]

Ye lol when u just look at the bones you dont realize how skinny they really are. But i still love spino no matter how skinny or fat

[fossil ingot]

And don't Down thumb Be when its Literally said in the Empire Magazine
They Still made the Animal, That you don't want to believe what the actual creators of the animal said
Thats on You

[lavish frigate]

GOSH every time I look at this man I get a dopamine rush, such a beautiful design

[hardy sentinel]

I dunno if you're adding onto my point are refuting it so ima just respond with my point if you're refuting it

I didn't say new rex is more skin wrapped, I was saying it's less shrink wrapped than the older Rexes

[fossil ingot]

I am not going against you.
I am going against the Person denying what the actual creators said

[hardy sentinel]

Only thing that would make him more beautiful is some luscious, scaley lips

@fossil ingot my bad lol, just wanted to make sure

[fossil ingot]

Also
Comparing Buck and JWR Rex Using Buck's ANIMATRONIC rather than CGI Version is even Worse in your Part

[hardy sentinel]

btw do we know JP Rex sexual dimorphism? Like Buck seems to have a dewlap but Bull doesn't. Do we know if new Rex is a male or a female?

[plucky basin]

since i saw that allosaurus could survive hits from a stegosaur's thagomizer, that got me thinking. could an allosaurus survive a hit from a triceratops's horn?

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is Proportionally Skinnier even when Using her JWD CGI model who is equally as Bulky as the CGI Rexy of JP1 yet not as Bulky as the Animatronics.

@hardy sentinel Males Rexes have the Dewlap, different skull and in theory shorter tails than Females
Bull is Stated a Male Younger than Buck but still an Adult
And we don't know if its Male or Female, Hopefully Male cause I am tired of Females XD

Also remember Spicy, Bull uses Buck's Animatronic, the CGI Model is different tho

[lavish frigate]

I hope someone does some photo edits of this, that’d look absolutely gorgeous

[hardy sentinel]

ngl we need lipped Rex in the JW movie after rebirth (if they keep doing movies). Because it's almost like the lipped dinosaurs tend to turn out the scariest because they aren't outwardly trying to be scary

[ripe walrus]

Spino is such a cool animal it Will be always my #1 favorite tho its sad some poeple dont see that and only see a "Weak fish eater" "Fooder" and all other types of insult tho Spino is still the Biggest and Strongest fish eating Dinosaur truly a remarkable animal

[hardy sentinel]

So called weak fisher

[steady rock]

those arent ribs those are stripes

[plucky basin]

cough, cough, carcharodontosaurus

[opaque kayak]

Hmm yes indeed pathetic

[hardy sentinel]

at that point, Charcharodontosaurus wishes it evolved stronger neck muscles

[mortal fossil]

Ah yes
Arm motions it literally physically couldn’t do

[opaque kayak]

JWR Spinosaurus = 🟤 , Spinosaurus irl (without caudals) = 🟢

[ripe walrus]

What are the Most recent size estimations for my boy Spino

[steady rock]

you dont know how to count its 21

[hardy sentinel]

my eyes aren't working cuz my glasses broke and my smart self decided to have my text small

[opaque kayak]

14-15 meters and 8-8.5 tons

[steady rock]

is it actually i lied just to annoy you damn im smart as hell

[ripe walrus]

Thx

[mortal fossil]

You aren’t making the point you think you are making when the size comparison highlights how skinny it is compared to just an elephant

It just shows how even an elephant would just bowl it over

[steady rock]

why dosent the wspinosaurus just drown the elephbant with all of its papers?

[lavish frigate]

I tried my best lol

[opaque kayak]

I doubt that it would be able to simply bowl it over, unless it stays absolutely still and gets hit on the side, and the Spino outweighs the elephant here by 2-3 tons. Spino's legs are quite short, so it's probable that it is slower, but to expect it to stay still and get pushed on the side is not going to happen realistically

[steady rock]

the parrot is here.

[mortal fossil]

Okay this is top comment material
Spinosaurus just fires all of its papers that go back and forth about its ability to swim or not lmao

The weight crushes Dumbo

[marsh tapir]

This is a final warning to remain polite and respectful while interacting on this server. If unable to remain civil on this topic, we'd ask you to please move on to a different one. Refer to our #rules

[opaque kayak]

It definitely could swim, and I'm not quite sure on where that rumor even spread. The closest paper that actually argued that was Sereno's paper, which said on the matter Spinosaurus was a land-based predator by using a bird-level density (yes, pigeon level of density + air pockets) to argue it would be a animal more adapted to being on land. Even that paper believes spino could absoluetly swim, and only had some problems in being fully/semi-aquatic, so I'm not sure why that would even be

[steady rock]

is spinosaurus to thin to walk on the bottom like a hippo?

[hardy sentinel]

This is cursed

[mortal fossil]

There were actually scientific papers about it using (albeit questionable) methods of biomechanic models

[white matrix]

why was knuckle walking spino ever a thing...

[mortal fossil]

I don’t remember which paper it was but

This image will never be not funny

Peter griffin death pose in water

[opaque kayak]

Yes, this is Sereno's paper. (bird level density lol)

[hardy sentinel]

Because some guy wanted a quadrupedal theropod and didn't look at the facts that the center of mass is near the pelvis like the majority of theropods

[tough parcel]

It was Ibrahim's belief (probably proposed in the 2014 paper where he described it) based on the legs being ridiculously small, smaller than any theropod proportionately

[hardy sentinel]

it would be funny if we discovered a quadrupedal theropod though, I bet it would be misclassified for years and still not accepted

[mortal fossil]

Scott Hartman also had a paper? Article? His blog?

He ADAMANTLY argued for Spino being terrestrial and not aquatic

Which included his infamous skeletal many people criticised for using the actual fossil tail instead of an anatomically corrected one

I don’t remember all the papers, but there was a few arguing against aquatic Spino

Mostly to spite / debunk Ibrahim

But we are overanalysing a meme

It was funny

[undone rapids]

huh, never realized, but with super long tail in 2020 or whatever its legs got proportionally shorter

[opaque kayak]

TBF they did argue for a very good reasoning since at the time extra caudals weren't discovered, so the tail was 1 meter + shorter, and the tail wasn't made with anywhere close of a soft tissue. That's why the old one looks more chonky, and the argument was that bro would tip over and faceplant bc the center of mass was so front-focused (probably not anymore tho)