paleontology

[river condor]

What if the acro just stepped into harder soil like rock that didnt leave a footprint and then stepped on soft soil again

[balmy oyster]

Or maybe the acro gave up and the sauropod knew it so it walked past or something, like how an elephant walks past a lion

Not good analogy but you get the picture

[steady rock]

what if the picture got lost in the mail?

how fast was mosasaurus and tylo?

[stiff osprey]

As fast as orcas according to Darren Naish

[lapis steeple]

When it comes to tylosaurus I think earlier species were probably slower than later species, simply because tylosaurus as a genus lived for a quite substantial length of time from 91-66 mya.

But mosasaurus probably was just as fast as an orca though

[steady rock]

are orca's fast i forgot

[lapis steeple]

Just an assumption so please don't crucify me

[lapis steeple]

35mph so yeah

[hardy sentinel]

What is it with aquatic dominant predators and not changing for long expanses of time? If I remember correctly Orcas have been around 5-6 million years, nearly three times as long as our genus and i'm sure related genera looked similar enough to be confused for Orcas

Is there something in the waters that makes stuff hella successful?

[steady rock]

would larger itchythosaurs be comparable to whales in speed? faster, slower?

[lapis steeple]

Probably just as fast or faster

[steady rock]

i dont know if this matters but itchyosaurs just look alot more aerodynamic

[hardy sentinel]

Are you thinking the genus Tylosaurus or the larger clade "Mosauridae"? I don't reckon Tylosaurus was around for 25 million years, genuses don't tend to last more than 15 million years

[lapis steeple]

genus.

[hardy sentinel]

that's the weirdest paleontology fact i've ever learned, genuses don't usually last that long (20+ million years) in vertebrates

[lapis steeple]

I guess that when they become marine they do better (unless a mass extinction occurs, then they're cooked)

[steady rock]

what was the latest living prosauropod? did any get past early jurassic?

[hardy sentinel]

Jingshanosaurus

[steady rock]

would it be latest? earliest, oldest?

[hardy sentinel]

it's Latest.

Earliest and Oldest have the same meaning when talking about time frames this long

[lapis steeple]

didn't realize that the Jurassic started 201 mya

[steady rock]

i wish all the prosauropods didnt die in the early jurassic :(

[hardy sentinel]

I wonder how paleontologists feel about Jingshanosaurus being confused for Jiangshanosaurus and vise versa

and sometimes the Stegosaur Yingshanosaurus

you know, I wonder how many prehistoric dinosaur species silently went extinct, no mass extinction, no evolving into another species. Just an evolutionary dead ends of a dinosaur singing it's last mating call and never hearing the sound of another again. Wandering into oblivion before it dies from it's aging body, sadness, or is killed by a predator

[lapis steeple]

Tragic stuff

[steady rock]

alot

[lapis steeple]

Reminds me of the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō

[hardy sentinel]

At least Styracosaurus didn't have that, since theres a theory out there (which may have been disproven, I haven't seen anything refuting it) that it evolved in Pachyrhinosaurus (who happily got blasted into bits/starved to death in a large family herd)

[steady rock]

how did styraco evolve into pachyrhino

[hardy sentinel]

wish I knew, just repeating like a parrot at this point. I don't support the theory because they lived at really close time frames and I also don't like it when peak evolves into mid

[lapis steeple]

Styracosaurus → stellasaurus → einiosaurus → pachyrhinosaurus. (There were some other steps in there that I didn't remember.)

[steady rock]

achelosaurus:

[lapis steeple]

Yes That one

[steady rock]

was it this?

[hardy sentinel]

It may also just be a Styracosaurus relative that evolved into it, I doubt the fossil record would be this clean. Most likely just representing related species and not the actual bois that evolved into Pachyrhinosaurus

[lapis steeple]

I hope this is how it went

So frickin awesome

[hardy sentinel]

I mean if you think about it, relatively rapid evolution has been seen before in our own genus. Maybe something similar happened with these guys

My idea on the thought process is that maybe it was similar to how we got our head shape: Neoteny. As they aged they probably started from small little bumps instead of horns and maybe as the line went on they kept the bump and worked off of that

[lapis steeple]

did I detect pachyrhinosaurus hate

[steady rock]

no

[hardy sentinel]

I said I don't like the idea that Styracosaurus evolved into mid. I just like Styracosaurus better, I think the love for Pachyrhino is from the WWD movie since it's a childhood classic. I don't see this extended love for Achelousaurus

[steady rock]

well thats because pachyrhino is cooler then achelo

[lapis steeple]

True.

[hardy sentinel]

Achelo has longer head spikes and is a fuggin icon, look at that face

[steady rock]

and pachyrhino is bigger in everyway

[lapis steeple]

I've got a bad feeling

[hardy sentinel]

Bigger aint always better, look at this icon

[lapis steeple]

Peak

[steady rock]

pstiflopco

[hardy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/bjorksvault-stan-twitter-stare-gagged-gif-8028949465545083691

[lapis steeple]

What am I looking at?

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-dancing-bopping-glitching-gif-647025891744927491

[hardy sentinel]

someone dissed peak, I respond with disbeif in such blasphemy

[lapis steeple]

Oke

[stiff osprey]

friendly reminder that it is impossible to prove if one specific animal evolved into another unless you have a complete picture of every species that lived in that span of time, which for dinosaurs, we really don't

styracosaurus evolving into eino then achelo then pachyrhino is a cool idea but it's largely based on vibes

[hardy sentinel]

That's why I led off with relatives instead of it being these actual dinos evolving from genus to genus. I don't believe in the Styraco to Pachyrhino theory, but I see their point

[plucky basin]

What are some estimates of Parioxys's length and weight?

[steady rock]

could hatz impale a human?

[stiff osprey]

if it aimed at a soft part like the stomach or neck perhaps

[steady rock]

also is it true pterosaurs had bone breaking fists..somehow? like hatz or questz

[stiff osprey]

the force required to launch hatz/quetz into the air is probably enough to break human bones

but not like the bones of an actual large dinosaur

[steady rock]

damn they were right

[jagged trellis]

ja

[fluid inlet]

la

[thorn grove]

da

[warped peak]

There's an interesting idea. Would Hatzeg do more damage with its beak or wings, to a larger animal it can't swallow

[fluid inlet]

beak

[warped peak]

Considering their extremely weak bite forces and relatively frail bones i honestly wouldn't bet on it

[fluid inlet]

i also find it hard to believe the wings would do significant enough damage to something larger. I didn't know they had weak bite forces tho? maybe they only went after bigger creatures when they were already dead.

[stiff osprey]

that is absolutely the case

pterosaurs have big heads but it's just a giant set of chopsticks, they're not crushing or dismembering anything

I still think they could kill a human by stabbing a soft area with the beak though

[warped peak]

Which would also make processing food from a carcass hard

I'm just curious which could be used more reliably in a territorial situation or similar against another Azdharchid or similar. IE would big punchy or a wingbeat or something be more practical for them than a Peck or whatnot

[halcyon cobalt]

just wait till they find the azhdarchid carcasses opening sickle claw

[stiff osprey]

against another azhdarchid of similar size? definitely the beak, much more reach

now against like a dromaeosaur or other knee height enemy i can see them just beating them to death

[steady rock]

would a hatz vs magy or the other sauropods on hateg just be a stalemate as they really cant do anything against the other?

[stiff osprey]

they can theoretically kill each other but it would take insane luck on the side of either combatant

[steady rock]

and lets asy hatz even does kill one. it has no one of eating it unless it goes through the Shocked or if abelisaurid pulled up

[stiff osprey]

hatz stabs magy through the eye or throat, magy snaps hatz's toothpick legs and tramples it

realistically neither of these things would happen but like they could

[fluid inlet]

the hell is a magy lol

[halcyon cobalt]

magyarosaurus

[stiff osprey]

the humble magy

[fluid inlet]

oh man, little bro stomping hatz out

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-evrima-allosaurus-magyarosaurus-gif-25123484

[fluid inlet]

delete the top thing forever

[steady rock]

would that locamotion be possible for any sauropod now that i think of it?

[stiff osprey]

none that are currently discovered

[steady rock]

if it had to guess, it'd have to be a pretty small sauropod with a more upright posture?

[stiff osprey]

the closest would be a dicraeosaurid since apparently it has been suggested they could gallop once - but hindlimb anatomy says no

[steady rock]

you know what i'd like to see? a member of Turiasauria running

like, would it run like a elephant?

[fluid inlet]

could carnotaurus do this in real life and rate the drip

[light osprey]

Unfortunately we are not in the 5-8kg prey range 💔

[stiff osprey]

evidence that we are in the prey range of the gallus?

[thorn grove]

evidence that dinosaurs can have a criminal record?

[wind prairie]

erm... ever heard of the man-eating chicken??

[fluid inlet]

too mice these things are t rex

[hardy sentinel]

Do yall define Reptile by phylogenetics or by traits it has? I've seen both sides of the coin but wanna know your personal opinions

I personally define reptiles by anything in sauropsida

[thorn grove]

tbh I've started to just avoid the term to an extent, but I would probably just say it's the crown group of Sauropsida

[woeful falcon]

That, except I still use the term reptile for convenience and because many people wouldn't know what I was talking about if I don't say reptile lol

[velvet burrow]

Ah yes, the highly cursorial, poisonous and probably arboreal Magyarosaurus

[manic grail]

Looks like someone could just choke it

[iron halo]

the wokes are RUINING our dinosaurs

[serene moat]

How much parts of the largest triceratops specimens have been found or atleast like top 2 largest and does anyone have a size comp of it next to sue?

[worldly breach]

the "Big John" specimen is so far the largest triceratops found , unfortunately it's in a private collection.
There's no official size comparison reconstructions (drawings) I could find from a quick search (unless someone can find one)

But to put it into persepctive
"Big John" is 8m (26ft) long, around 3m (10 ft) at the hips and would've weighed around 7-8 tons in life

"Sue" is 12.3 (40ft) long, around 4m (13 ft) at the hips and would've weighed around 8-9 tons in life

So "Big John" is a whopper

[frigid delta]

how accurate was this T. Rex size comparison if we assume the Human is 6ft/1.8 meters?

[worldly breach]

If we assume the human is 6ft, Id say fairly accurate given that the average height (at the hips) of an adult T. rex was around 12 feet

[frigid delta]

words cannot describe how big was my love for Rex 💗

[bitter quest]

The accurate rex carnivore mod I see

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Big John is said to be "7m" we don't know if its on a Straight Line (likely) yeah he isn't the largest lol.
Also Sue its 10.3t
Big John is Likely 7t or who knows less given a 7.9m Horridus is 7.3t.

Big John is a Booble Head.
Largest Described is "Albertensis"
Cause Willard isn't described Either

The Horridus here is 7.9m for Comparison

[manic grail]

I always thought ankylosaurus was bigger. Weird to see it that small. I think rex or trike could beat it in a fight

[fossil ingot]

Anky is still the largest of its family, been so short in Length helps it protect itself overall
Largest is a Still 5t Pancake that is armored

[umbral kite]

wat a out adondton compared to it

[fossil ingot]

Don't have a Direct Comparison but Ano is this size

Largest Ano is the most Greyish Figure of the 3 ofc

[umbral kite]

I thought the size difference would be bigger nvm i didnt see

[halcyon cobalt]

what about priconodon

[fossil ingot]

To Fragmentary tmk

[manic grail]

Who do u guys think would win a cassowary or velociraptor

[stable sun]

Sauropods are just more derived Prosauropods anyway

[serene moat]

Is this albertensis or is this big John? Or just a random horridus

[fossil ingot]

Neither

For Albertensus use this.
And Big John would arguably be smaller than that Horridus

[serene moat]

ahhh I see interesting, is there a image like one of these but with the albert one instead or not atm

[fossil ingot]

I mean this is Albertensis.
8.8m Lad

[hardy sentinel]

What is the most accurate model in the Isle Evrima? (Deinosuchus and humans excluded)

[ionic crescent]

Avaceratops alone

[hardy sentinel]

That's not in Evrima

[tough parcel]

It's planned

But in terms of current playables...possibly Trike/Maia

[ionic crescent]

Pteranodon

[empty socket]

the humans

[ionic crescent]

Maisaura has two horns and trike gallops 💀

Well, JUMPS

[tough parcel]

Yea and? They asked for most accurate, this is a spectrum that does not have to each 100%

Ptera also still sucks

[hardy sentinel]

Incorrect, it lacks skeletal stuff. Also the shrink wrapping and lack of proto-feathers

@tough parcel Maia has HANDS and not HOOVES

[ionic crescent]

They asked the MOST accurate

[tough parcel]

Luckily Maia does not need "hooves" (not that Edmonto has it) as a hadrosaur specimen shows the previous flesh mitten was fine

[ionic crescent]

Then the answer is simple

No one

[ionic crescent]

It still has two horns where a nasal crest would attach tho

[hardy sentinel]

i'd personally think aside from the lack of lips, Dilo right?

[ionic crescent]

Cerato probably

[tough parcel]

I know, most accurate out of the entire roster does not mean fully accurate

There can be subtractions

[hardy sentinel]

lemme look at the current roster again, see what they got because it might be Herrera actually

[tough parcel]

Perhaps this is evidence that, minus the varying amount of stylization, The Isle has good designs...?

[hardy sentinel]

It might be Herrera, size accurate for the smaller species, lips, skeletally in line, lack of wrist pronation

[tough parcel]

P sure none of TI's dinosaurs have pronation minus the Omniraptor (though I don't think even that one has it)

[ionic crescent]

Good designs, but meh "blending"

Some accurate, some stylized, some JP stuff

When you mix em all together is like eating a salad with yogurt instead of tomato

(Also happens with BoB and oldest PoT models)

[hardy sentinel]

Would you guys say this is decently/the most accurate in the game?

[tough parcel]

We forgot the Dryosaur...

[hardy sentinel]

Everyone does

[rancid dove]

Otherwise the cerato of Evrima is so beautiful🥹

[hardy sentinel]

can't wait until they flesh out the ecosystem so Carno and Cerato aren't biting each other's throats for first place

anyways, what is your guy's favorite dubious species of dinosaur? Gotta be Troodon for me

[rancid dove]

cera for me

[ionic crescent]

Troodon

[hardy sentinel]

Cerato isn't dubious (unless you're talking about Ceratops)

[rancid dove]

you're not wrong....

[hardy sentinel]

it's honestly funny how a dubious species built up half the name for 90% of Ceratopsians

little paleontology meme I made

[tough parcel]

Titanosaurus too

[hardy sentinel]

Titanosaurus is invalid??

[outer tusk]

yeah

[drifting arch]

Found this on Facebook

[thorn grove]

Hallucigenia victim

[zealous ravine]

Siamosaurus purely cause of that cool specimen that might be Siamosaurus

[jagged trellis]

magy

magy is a sin to humanity

[tulip dove]

The magsaurus....

[steady rock]

amargasaurus victim

[jagged trellis]

magy is 4x smaller even with the aisle giving it steroids and ignoring a cool sauropod niche for: uhhh meat tastes bad and it mid range all rounder

[plucky basin]

what's this from?

[undone rapids]

The isle Magyarosaurus concept art(with small edits)

[plucky basin]

i dont see it..

[plucky basin]

ooooooh, makes sense now. did you make it?

[steady rock]

most accurate anyklosaurid? ( isle anky, PoT ano, BoB sai )

[topaz shell]

PoT ano is like not even good for an ano representation I believe

[plucky basin]

saichania 100%

[undone rapids]

Oh no, Eyeseeyou made it. They're an amazing editor/artist

[plucky basin]

i can see that

[plucky basin]

DANG, THATS ACTUALLY A GOOD PACHY & ALLO HYBRID

[steady rock]

no its not

[tough parcel]

That looks horrible

[plucky basin]

it does to me!

okay, this is actually peak

[sudden wind]

BoB's sai remodel

[plucky basin]

carnoraptor vs ceratoraptor (NOT AVA, IM BASING THIS OFF LOOKS)

[undone rapids]

Would be cool if carnoraptor had long arms, but with like no elbows

[balmy oyster]

Would be funnier if it had even shorter arms

[plucky basin]

bro what

[steady rock]

is that the remodel i sent?

[small geyser]

Pretty sure it isnt. The nose is different.

Here's the remodel.

[plucky basin]

even more accurate lol

[round hedge]

Looks like a cryolophosaurus with down syndrome 🙏😭

[plucky basin]

LEAVE THE LITTLE GUY ALONE!!

[round hedge]

"You look cute, you know, for a pudgy little crime against nature" aah looking hybrid 🙏😭

[steady rock]

it kinda looks like u actually

[round hedge]

Looks like Ralsei, yeah, i kinda see that

Got the head bulb and the hybrid's lacrimal crests are like Ralsei's little horns

[plucky basin]

at least its not this

[round hedge]

Please tell me that it's not real in-game, haven't played for months

Oh, it's from a fanart website, nvm, not canon

[tulip dove]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-wubzzy-what-the-hell-fooled-bamboozled-gif-5851746728379269810

[round hedge]

What ceratopsian's head is the diablos' head from monster hunter supposed to be based on (ignoring the teeth, ofc)

It's not trike or eotrike, bc it lacks a 3rd horn, but the frill is remminiscent to those, it probably is based on trike, but capcom prob wanted to not add another horn

[balmy oyster]

Looks like nasutoceratops to me

[ancient crystal]

Some people are really upset with how big megalodon has gotten lol

[opaque kayak]

I love how they don't look into the weights to see it got lighter

[stable sun]

Where is this from?

[ancient crystal]

Someone else practically saying that based off vibes they don't think a shark could get that big.

It's from the r/PrehistoricMemes subreddit on a post about livyatan vs megalodon (because of course it is)

[balmy oyster]

Hasn’t meg gotten lighter though? These people need to do further research before they start arguing.

[snow python]

Was Arthropleura herbivore?

[ancient crystal]

Larger just means looks bigger to them I'd imagine. Doesn't matter how many tons lighter it is if its several meters longer

[balmy oyster]

Yes but I don’t have the paper(s) claiming it was with me rn

[hushed fossil]

MH came out in 2004, Nasuto was described like in 2011. It cant be that

[balmy oyster]

MH predicted nasutoceratops no way

[drifting arch]

The whaaa???

[sudden wind]

Still it's a 50 to 100 tons shark

[white matrix]

Just saw the new research about Meg's size....24.3m ? Damn

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, and now people are saying that it just looks like a giant lemon shark rather than a giant great white.

So the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[warped peak]

However it's like half the mass relatively speaking

[white matrix]

Oh yes sure ! Still impressive tho...and still scary imo

[warped peak]

By all standards a 90 ton 25m shark is scary lol

[balmy oyster]

Crazy how this is still lighter compared to what it used to get in the past

[scenic flame]

PoT ano 100%

[scenic flame]

oh yeah, that's more of a close one then

[wind prairie]

isle anky is a disgrace

[fluid inlet]

Path Rex is disgrace

[balmy oyster]

Isle anky is cool

[fluid inlet]

Isle doing triceratops right not making it some weak apex like path of titans doing eotriceratops

[balmy oyster]

Triceratops is honestly underappreciated in media for some reason, it’s time we pull away from edmontosaurus yeah…?

[fluid inlet]

I’d love to see Torosaurus get some love actually.

[balmy oyster]

YES!!! Torosaurus is honestly more intriguing than triceratops, since it went the opposite of trike’s path and kept a large head for its body while also managing to have a size comparable to triceratops

[fossil ingot]

Yeah POT Ano its pretty good other than its Size.

[stable sun]

in fact almost all Torosaurus specimens are comparable to the the exceptionally large Triceratops specimens in size

[balmy oyster]

That as well, I’m hoping one day torosaurus gets more research done on it

[fluid inlet]

Apparently that Torosaurus specimen adam is scaling up to be bigger than any published triceratops. https://preview.redd.it/the-skull-of-torosaurus-a-ceratopsian-dinosaur-from-the-v0-qsfgs6s7yr8b1.png?auto=webp&s=3bab261bdabcdfe8f68445f7fc618c93fe3a16e3

[stable sun]

undescribed, and I don't think the claims of it being 10+ m are reliable

[tough parcel]

That skull looks slightly reconstructed heavily

[balmy oyster]

Yep, apparent ~3m long skull, making it the longest/largest(?) skull of any terrestrial animal + best preserved toro with great amount of postcrania

[fossil ingot]

Yeah def not 10m.
This Toro might be as very Booblehead

[unkempt stream]

👀

[wind prairie]

I wonder if torosaurus and triceratops ever made mixed herds (assuming that they even lived in herds at any point)

[stable sun]

Wait what about the juvie Toro

[scenic flame]

I don't think such a long skull cements it as the biggest since toro has such a large and tall frill

[fluid inlet]

It’s going to be described “soon” I’ll just wait on the paper, either way it’s huge.

[balmy oyster]

Tiny? If so then Adam preserves even more than tiny (using tiny as reference for material preserved)

[scenic flame]

especially looking at how bobble headed it is here, deff one of the largest but I'd wanna see reliable measurements

[fossil ingot]

Totally Real Trust

[balmy oyster]

True but its skull is as large if not possibly larger than MOR 981, another giant toro specimen, so even if not the largest it’s still real big

[fluid inlet]

They mad little triceratops got competition

[scenic flame]

ew, scam game

[fossil ingot]

I mean this Animals in general tend to be Booblehead with some specimens
Look at Big John.

[fluid inlet]

Why is bro using a instinction construction the game is a whole scam on its own 💀💀💀

[fossil ingot]

To think Sarco is now 8.9m
Biggest Downfall OAT, on Par with Deino maybe in terms of downfall

[stable sun]

largest Torosaurus: 11 m, 200 t
Largest blue whale: 35 m, 199 t
Evidence Torosaurus existed?

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops victimizer

[fossil ingot]

If Adam gets Described Before Willard thats already a W imo

[balmy oyster]

What’s really interesting is that unlike all other torosaurus specimens (excluding “T.” utahensis) “Adam” was found in New Mexico, when every other torosaurus was much more up north, hell creek & higher. This may either represent something new or a range increase for torosaurus

[stable sun]

Isn't Willard private coll.?

description in year 39000 AD

[mental sigil]

In weight or in length?

[fossil ingot]

I meant Downfall in Terms of Size cause both got Smaller.
Tho Sarco is still around the size of some Smaller Deino and Puru species

[mental sigil]

So it’s not 40ft long anymore?

[fluid inlet]

It’s a W either way ceratopsian fan boys win regardless.

[fossil ingot]

Sarco is 8.9m
Puru 10.3m
Deino 10.7m

[mental sigil]

So ur talking abt weight?

[fossil ingot]

Ohh yeah definietly, Toro is getting the Spot Light it deserves.

[balmy oyster]

It’s about time, always overshadowed by the rest of the hell creek fauna

[wind prairie]

trike and toro are like, in the same tribe, right?? being that closely related I wonder if they ever crossbred

[fossil ingot]

When I said "Sarco's Downfall"
I meant that it simply got alot smaller than Old Sarco..
But later remembered that Deino had a Bigger Downsize, Puru is of the Three that wasn't downsize as Much.

[stable sun]

Sarco hasn't been 12 m for a long time by now

[fluid inlet]

When you have so many legendary creatures in one formation it’s bound to happen.

[balmy oyster]

They’re both in triceratopsini yes, and I’d imagine this could be plausible

[fossil ingot]

Wdym
POT's Sarco 12m is Totally Real trust

[hallow spear]

981 is only a skull as well is it not

[fluid inlet]

T. rex know better than to come to this party

[stable sun]

Ye

[mental sigil]

Are u talking abt weight or length

[fossil ingot]

Toro is so Peak.
Peak ah Name
Larger than Trike om Average.
Has a Cool Skull.

@mental sigil likely both since Both Sarco and Deino lost Weight and Length over the years

[balmy oyster]

Yes, and unfortunately a rather distorted one too (mostly just the frill though)

Snout & everything else should be able to be easier determinable though

[mental sigil]

Ohhh okay I understand now lol

[fossil ingot]

Cooler Sarco

[fluid inlet]

Na , the goat

[fossil ingot]

Still crazy ppl called Sarco a Big Gharial

[wind prairie]

god... that toro probably isn't very accurate but if they looked anything like that, favorite animal or at least reptile, hands down?

[fluid inlet]

They are both so cool. I can’t get over Torosaurus huge frill tho. It’s definitely up there.

[balmy oyster]

Best artwork of toro & trike standoff I’ve seen

[balmy oyster]

Maybe in coloration but both the trike & toro do seem to be pretty accurate proportion wise, idk for about the top of the frills on the toro’s but other than that these are good interpretations

[fluid inlet]

Slowly learning how to draw so I can start drawing the dinosaur situations I wanted to see that I haven’t seen 😂

Like a hatz and quetz encounter

[short river]

A bit random, but anyone got a good andrewsarchus skeletal that has a top view as well as a side one? Looking for a reference I can use to model one but its evading me

[wind prairie]

do you not like the huge frill???

[fluid inlet]

I can’t get over it as in it’s so cool I can’t stop looking at it.

[iron halo]

How much did toro weigh?

[mental sigil]

I don’t 😭

[balmy oyster]

I’m not the most certain on the lower end of weights, but it could reach up to ~10 tons

[warped peak]

Unfortunately there's no real good dorsal views for Andrew or any relatives that I can find

[steady rock]

were any spinosaurids jaws more like a gharial?

[fluid inlet]

I remember when path of titans mods released Andrewsarcus a whole war broke out on Twitter about how inaccurate it was on the game 😭

[warped peak]

As do I.

One of the biggest issues we've faced at AE. Reconstructions changing

[opaque kayak]

I mean their bite force are

[balmy oyster]

maybe sucho/bary/ceratosuchops? But spino & related have more robust jaws

[warped peak]

Irritator in particular is built like a brick

[opaque kayak]

The weirdest skull of them all

[fluid inlet]

You drew this,?

[opaque kayak]

Oh no, it's from Liam Powell, sr

[iron halo]

damn, isn’t that only matched/beat by albertensis? (and ig willard)

[sudden wind]

real

[balmy oyster]

There’s also the Frenchmen & Hell creek skull that get to around similar size

[fossil ingot]

Toro isn't as Numerous as trike in Numbers of Specimens founded, but the few Toro's we have are larger than some of the Largest Horridus and Larger than Most Prosus been 7-8t and tmk we have a 8m Toro that seems inmature.
Rn Trike Holds the Record for Largest Specimen, But Toro with the Fewer Specimens seems to have a Larger Average and its possible they reached similar sizes to Albertensis and afterall, Albertensis is already exceptionally Large.

Albertensis is just Prorsus tho btw

[iron halo]

Interesting
And ye I knew the last statement, but everyone seems to call it albertensis so

[short river]

That's unfortunate, thanks for this one though. I'll make do with what does exist

[fossil ingot]

I mean
It was Albertensis

[warped peak]

This might help a bit?

[fossil ingot]

We love this guy

Its cool

[fluid inlet]

Someone educate me the big holes in the skull are nasal cavity right

[warped peak]

Wow I thought Daeo was bigger

How does Paraentelodon scan up?

[short river]

Probably, thanks for the help

[short river]

Think it's the "brain case", for lack of knowledge of a better term

[fluid inlet]

Nvm I’m tripping big time , I’m talking about the antorbital fenestra

[warped peak]

Thats the zygomatic arch. Basically the mammalian cheekbone that gives us that specific look.

Serves as an anchor for additional jaw muscles

[fossil ingot]

All I founded.
Tho this is from 6 months ago

[rancid dove]

Carcharodon hastalis and Hubelli, are another subspecies of white shark during the Oligocene and Mioecene

[wind prairie]

based

[rancid dove]

New for the megalodon, what do you guys think

it's beautiful, isn't it

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-pog-shark-pog-poggers-basking-gif-19528569

[wraith jungle]

why is it shrinkwrapped.

[fossil ingot]

Ita not

[balmy oyster]

Mass estimates always take lesser amount of soft tissue if possible

[wraith jungle]

why

[balmy oyster]

Because soft tissue is variable and can make proper gdi’s difficult to do. There is usually still soft tissue but it’s kept at a minimal amount

[fluid inlet]

Apatosaurus skull hard to reconstruct 😭 ( for a noob like me)

Did apatosaurus and Kentrosaurus live in the same era/region

[plucky basin]

it wouldnt surprise me if a giant prehistoric shark ressembled one of the largest extant sharks

[ancient crystal]

Especially considering their close relation. Of course megalodon is predatory and basking sharks are... well, look at them—but still.

[plucky basin]

LOL

[outer tusk]

Yes

@fluid inlet use this

[balmy oyster]

They lived in similar era but not in the same formation

[steady rock]

time? yes, region? no

[severe yew]

Imagine what Hatz or Quetz could do... ☠️

[steady rock]

i have a question, did rex evole from something in north america or did a relative come from asia and thats how it came here?

because like, i was like, wow, tarbo looks alot like rex then the tyrannosaurids of north america at the time

[warped peak]

If you were to make an analogue, which group of Saurians would be the best analogue to heavyweight Perissodactyls?

Brontotheres, Rhinos, etc

[lapis steeple]

Ceratopsians

[warped peak]

I guess I was thinking Hadrosaurs because horses but basically every single other Perissodactyl is beefy and strong so yeah that's fair

[lapis steeple]

And the horns

[warped peak]

Tapirs, Chalicotheres, Rhinos, Paraceratheres, Brontotheres are all power-built tanks

[undone rapids]

Currently the more supported idea is that the rex came from asia as zucheng and tarbo are quite similar to it with zucheng being quite a bit older too.

Though there is one less supported theory on rex being descendant from daspletosaurs.

[steady rock]

i dont see it, so i'll believe the 1st one

[harsh forge]

Swallow a whole rex

[rancid dove]

https://x.com/ren_wenyu/status/1900544562260824076?s=46

Wenyu Ren (@ren_wenyu) on X

Ceratosaurus

X · Mar 14, 2025, 1:48 PM

[wind prairie]

I know it has been talked about before but chalicotheres really are so weird man.
Whales are so far removed from other ungulates they can't participate imo. Why do chalicotheres just randomly happen to be knuckle walkers???

[opaque kayak]

Megapliosaurs by Randomdinos

[fossil ingot]

20t vs 6.4t
Totally Fair

[stiff osprey]

and also regular pliosaurs

[warped oak]

Hola

[warped peak]

Nah that's not what's weird. Why did they randomly split into a group of knuckles walkers FROM normal walkers with big claws

[warped oak]

I want to unlink my path of Titans account from Apple and I want to link it with Google, can I do that?

[fossil ingot]

Lio is Peak.

@warped oak Hola

[severe yew]

for real 😳

[balmy oyster]

Probably not as impressive tbh, they’ve got comparatively smaller bodies

[wind prairie]

I wonder how much chalicotheres would've actually had in common with horses though
like could they have been domesticated

[warped peak]

I wouldn't bet on it

Horses are weird animals

[wind prairie]

that is also true tbh

[wind prairie]

this is the paleontology channel, for that you might want to ask somewhere else

but yeah how lucky we were to have horses (and donkeys) though. For all of history we wouldn't have had many other options for transportation until automobiles.

[balmy oyster]

We’re capable of domesticating practically anything so I wouldn’t be surprised if we found a way to domesticate calicotheres

[warped peak]

Fair point. It really boils down to whether they'd be domesticated as livestock or as beasts of burden

[wind prairie]

idk if they'd be too great of a food source but I could see them pulling carriages maybe???

[balmy oyster]

I hope we domesticate panda’s next, with some time & effort we can make them the perfect cuddle pets

[wind prairie]

if I could make domesticated versions of any wild animals today, I think alligators would be really cool, given that they are generally less aggressive than crocodiles, though idk if it'd be possible still given reptile brain chemistry and whatnot (I am NOT saying they're dumb, just that maybe they don't have the parts of the brain necessary for some things like affection and cooperation with people)

[warped peak]

I feel like we'd quickly find a way to exploit their powerful arms

[hardy sentinel]

What linniage of animals would you guys say you are experts on? Me personally i'd say prehistoric theropods (going into modern theropods soon)

[balmy oyster]

I don’t know if “experts” is the right word for this, but I am more knowledgeable on derived ceratopsians

[wind prairie]

unrelated but here's a neat concept
how many dinosaur genera ending in -saurus or -venator do you think would be better/cooler if they were named with the feminine version of -saura or -venatrix instead?

[hardy sentinel]

Lambeosaura rolls of the tounge nicely, and won't get confused with Lambeosaurinae

[scenic flame]

opening big doors

[wind prairie]

I think a lot of hadrosaurs would be nicer with saura
lambeosaura, tsintaosaura, corythosaura

[hardy sentinel]

same with most Hadrosaurs honestly, which are kind of the face of good mothers in dinosaurs thanks to Maiasaura (justice for Oviraptor)

[wind prairie]

that and like, if I were to give a theropod a feminine name it'd probably be venatrix but consider...
tyrannosaura, spinosaura, giganotosaura, allosaura, ceratosaura, torvosaura, dilophosaura, etc. (NOT saying that any of these would be better with saura per se, but I like the sound of dilophosaura)

[severe yew]

bruv..., not as impressive? this is freaking crazy, lol 😆

is like you swallowing a dog all at once, lol

[hardy sentinel]

I think Tyrannosaurus personally sounds better as it is. Might just be because the more aggresive name matches better (also Tyrannosaura would sound way too similar to Tyrannosauria)

[tough parcel]

They meant not as impressive as the bird proportionately

[wind prairie]

yeah no tyrannosaurus is good as is. But how bout dilophosaura, concavenatrix, therizinosaura

[tough parcel]

Fixing something that isn’t broken in the first place

However I will say that if GSP had been right, T. regina would have needed to be renamed as the suffixes would have been mismatched (Tyrannosaurus is masculine, regina is feminine)

[balmy oyster]

No what I meant was that a pterosaur couldn’t do as impressive as the bird you showed

Cus swallowing something that big is genuinely impressive no question there

[hardy sentinel]

Ya'll think that if we came up for gender terms for Tyrannosaurs we'd call them Rexes and Reginas or keep it as Jurassic park did and just call them Bucks and Does?

[wind prairie]

are there any other latin/greek suffixes in dinosaur names that have feminine versions? like -don, -lestes, -raptor, -pteryx

[light osprey]

Azhdarchid mandibular bowing also isn’t anywhere as extreme as birds

[wind prairie]

I never thought about that but oh my god I am absolutely saying rexes and reginas now. idrc if I have to explain that I'm not talking about those other fake species.

[fluid inlet]

They can cooperate just fine

https://news.utk.edu/2014/10/13/study-finds-crocodiles-are-sophisticated-hunters/

[fluid inlet]

Well it’s not the place here to discuss it in paleontology but for an Apex and all the nerfs it has been given it’s definitely not apex worthy. How the isle is doing it makes much more sense to me.

[frigid delta]

Stenonychosaurus = Troodon, yes?

[wind prairie]

yes

[frigid delta]

what are the chances for an exploding Sauropod corpse due to gas and anything that explodes a whales carcass?

[lilac hornet]

considering that happens to all corpses pretty much due to decomposition I imagine if the carcass sat untouched for long enough it's possible and pretty likely

[round hedge]

True, thank you

[fluid inlet]

I wonder if a exploding corpse could kill someone

[lilac hornet]

yes
there's a reason people are told to stay away from beached whale carcasses, they can definitely do damage

[fluid inlet]

Even from something smaller like let’s just say a cow

[frigid delta]

are there any cases has happened to our own corpses?
(human corpse in general)

[keen yew]

Yup it's a thing that happens

[tranquil quartz]

And Laten

[drifting arch]

I do believe the models and calls in The Isle are more realistic; however, I do see the strides Path of Titans makes to bring realism somewhat into their dinosaurs is noticed and appreciated. I think Eotriceratops is meant to have semi-realism intended, but I'm guessing you feel it should have a lot of power in its build?

[fossil ingot]

Well Isle has some better Models than POT but also Viceversa
Deipi is...questionable so its Herrera.
Dilo is ok???
Galloping Trike tho .
Then theres others like Spino and all
They have their Pro's and Concs in terms of Realism or Accurate however you wanna call it

[frigid delta]

i lost the chart of that sauropod weak spot
like that 'main target' and never try thing

[manic grail]

The legs are quite skinny they look like they could just be bitten and crippled by a big carnivore

[wise ingot]

found this book with cool outdated dinosaur reconstructions and thought it would be cool to share

im not sure when it was made but it must be pretty old

[ancient crystal]

Sometimes I wonder how more people didn't look at older dinosaur reconstructions at the time and say, "you know, this doesn't look right."

[steady rock]

because thats what they thought did look right back then, if that makes sense

[flat warren]

Alberto and stenonychosaurus are so cute

[dusk radish]

Did a quick search, looks like maybe 1987.

[stable sun]

The blogpost explains in detail why attacking the forelimbs is a bad idea

[wise ingot]

awsome

[fluid inlet]

They fixed trike running animation

[balmy oyster]

trike still gallops I think but it's far less splayed and the anims are smoother

[frigid delta]

thx Torvo

[plucky basin]

i was playing a pretty new roblox survival game and someone said that suchomimus weighed 1.5 tons and lived during the jurassic period lol

[frigid delta]

*5.4 tons
*cretaceous period

[plucky basin]

thats what i told him!

and i told him that we have very good estimates on its weight and sizes and he told me that it was an educated guess

[steep sundial]

hellooo fellow paleonerds! Im doing a dino dig it, and wanted to see if any of you could guess which dinosaur im digging out! Its either T. Rex or Triceratops :) kudos if you get it right!

[warped peak]

that's john wayne

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops

[stiff osprey]

what is that, a vertebra?

[trim bluff]

Damn, they went for some pretty deep cuts with this book

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

[white matrix]

Which models and calls are more realistic ? In the Isle*

[scenic flame]

calls aren't a factor, they'll always be either mostly or entirely speculative

model wise it's PoT little to no competition

• indicates a playable that is debatable

PoT's mostly accurate or better playables include:
achillobator
alioramus
allosaurus
ceratosaurus
daspletosaurus
deinonychus*
eurhinosaurus
Latenivenatrix*
Pycnonemosaurus*
Rhamphorhyncus
Sarcosuchus
Suchomimus*
Thalassodromeus*
Tyrannosaurus*
Tyrannotitan
Albertaceratops
amargasaurus
anodontosaurus*
camptosaurus
deinocheirus
eotriceratops*
Kentrosaurus
lambeosaurus
miragaia
Pachycephalosaurus*
Stegosaurus*
Struthiomimus
Styracosaurus*
28 total

[fluid inlet]

Bro comparing the isle legacy with path of titans , gotta compare it to evrmia , legacy is dead lol

[stiff osprey]

evrima models are basically fantasy creatures so POT wins in that regard anyway

[fluid inlet]

For example the allosaurus that is about to come out on the isle is way better than path of titans allosaurus and def better than legacy.

[balmy oyster]

miragaia is also debatable

[scenic flame]

The Isle's (one's in evrima or models that will be in evrima) mostly accurate or better playables:
Carnotaurus
Ceratosaurus
herrerasaurus
suchomimus
monolophosaurus*
Allosaurus
Rugops*
stegosaurus
dryosaurus*
Pachycephalosaurus
Maiasaura
diabloceratops
Avaceratops
kentrosaurus
minmi*
brachiosaurus
homacephale*
Parasaurolophus
Triceratops
19 total

[fluid inlet]

Way better than path of titans allosaurus

[stiff osprey]

tbf it looks better because it was made by a more skilled modeler not because it's more accurate

[fluid inlet]

And because legacy is just out dated and not a priority at all.

[scenic flame]

I guess you could say that, though that's more uncertainties about the IRL animal rather than the in game recon having issues which could make it too inaccurate

[outer tusk]

Which is my glorious king, Frederic Wierum

[scenic flame]

another important point is PoT's innacuraties come from mistakes or the march of science, TI does it on purpose but only sometimes depending on how the devs are feeling

[wind prairie]

PoT calls just sound like everything is exhaling really hard

[fluid inlet]

I’ve seen it said that isle are not going for paleo accuracy, it was my problem with triceratops neck. Overall tho I prefer isle models over path of titans. Metri from path looks like something out of Jurassic park lol T. rex looks like shiiiii , Titan looks great.

[scenic flame]

*Jacob Baardse, Fred did the concept art for it

[wind prairie]

WWD allo really is like, one of my favorite portrayals of the animal

[outer tusk]

Oh yeah I know Jacob did the model

[scenic flame]

oh did you mean like the design specifically?

[outer tusk]

Uhm idk ( I just wanted to glaze Fred because he's my actual favorite Paleo artist )

[fluid inlet]

He’s got a lot of top quality work

[steady rock]

does eo match visually more with trike or eo? if its trike, what species?

[fossil ingot]

I mean.
Apart that it needs to be ALOT smaller and Maybe More Booblehead??.
Idk

[wind prairie]

BOOBLEhead????

[white matrix]

we have been tricked into believing tyrannosaurus was fully feathered while having its scaly skin impressions for decades, we are not really much better, people back in the past had even less knowledge and methods to study

[wind prairie]

also, I love his art and all, but isn't that sitting posture impossible for dinosaurs given their lack of lumbar vertebrae?

[tranquil quartz]

Saying Metri looks like JP when Omni and Evrima Dilo exist 💔

[harsh forge]

Can you guess why? All of those bad models are OLD

[severe yew]

honestly, not sure they could move like that, something looks weird

[white matrix]

can anyone recommend paleo study books? especially the ones with paleontological degree here, what literature do you use in university?

[junior dawn]

most of PoT's innaccuracies come from not using references/not using references properly when making the designs

Cerato, Tyrannosaurus, and Sty are good examples of that

[steep sundial]

wrong! Its t-rex

[opaque kayak]

Palaeoloxodon with the very largest pliosaurs

[fluid inlet]

, stegosaurus literally gallops on path of titans

[fluid inlet]

Who’s the little fella on the left by himself

[opaque kayak]

The abingdon pliosaur, which is the largest one here

[opaque kayak]

Yup, that's the abingdon pliosaur, 12.1 meters and 20 tons

[fluid inlet]

20 tons damn ,

[opaque kayak]

It's the largest non shastasaurid mesozoic carnivore, which was never surpassed by any other ontil perucetus

[fluid inlet]

Also isn’t paleo max weight very disputed that’s the last I heard

[opaque kayak]

It still is ngl, yeah

[rancid dove]

You will have to buff the Cera now and increase its size

[stiff osprey]

source: reddit et al. 2024

[rancid dove]

really ?,Too bad then

[fluid inlet]

Perucetus still has victims

[fluid inlet]

Ain’t there a paper coming out or material of a very big Ceratosaurus I don’t remember the estimated weight.

[rancid dove]

From what I was told is only a guess and that the article dates from 2024 sad...

[severe yew]

so then is that supposed to be a palaeoloxodon?

otherwise the size scale doesn't make sense

.
it must be

20+ tons, so not an african elephant or something like that

[fluid inlet]

No way it’s 20 tons

[balmy oyster]

I don’t think it is anymore, there were some papers & research that got it to be a little lighter

[severe yew]

sounds like a lot, doesn't it? 🤔

[fluid inlet]

Ya 16-18 tons iiirc

[balmy oyster]

I think it was 16/17 but yea it was around that

[severe yew]

either way, that was a huge animal for sure, damn

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it is in no means little, just that the 20t is pretty much outdated

[severe yew]

i have seen the fossils at museums and i just remember being impressed at the size

[severe yew]

i can only imagine a fight between this and a trex

what do you think the outcome would be?

[fluid inlet]

At Biggest current estimations I’d give to to palae medium difficulty. IMO the weight is too big to be competitive along with the likely higher IQ the mammoth would have.

[balmy oyster]

My AK 47

[stiff osprey]

a group of <200kg lions can take down a 2-3 tonne elephant if they attack at night, so chances are if the fight happens at night the palaeoloxodon is very screwed

[severe yew]

bro, honestly, a .50 caliber would be more like it, lol

[scenic flame]

it's head morphology is good, if you look at a diagram of eotrike's skull it's got kind of a tall nose comapred to trike

[fluid inlet]

Group attacks though , and not a huge Bull Elephant. In a 1v1 I just think paleo wins pretty easily. Group attack is so op just look at when us humans do it to any other creature

[severe yew]

damn, do you have any link to the video? dm me 😆

[stiff osprey]

there's not much the elephant can do to defend itself when it can't see, a few good bites to the hind legs and it's over. In the daylight might be a different story, i've never seen lions attack elephants during the day, both because the elephant can fight back better and because the rest of the herd will likely see it and come to its aid as well

[tough parcel]

The lions have a night damage buff much like the Latenivenatrix…

[fluid inlet]

I think triceratops would be a much better match up for paleo just because of how it’s built

[stiff osprey]

not a video but a paper, turns out there have been two recorded attacks on elephants during the day, but both understandably failed

[warped peak]

Interesting solution tackling bigger game is often handled by going for the legs?

[severe yew]

i have seen a video of a full pack of african lions (including like 3 strong males) struggling to take down a very sick and injured hippopotamus at night (took them the whole night)

so to take down a full grown 2 or 3 tons elephant, i am not sure about that tbh

[stiff osprey]

2-3 tons isn't fully grown, it's the age at which young males tend to spend more time away from their parents

also it's like, a peer reviewed study

[balmy oyster]

Makes sense, it’s their best form of defense and ability to move

[stiff osprey]

there is also one case of them killing a fully grown bull, but it had been injured by another bull beforehand and was likely going to die regardless

[warped peak]

Would it be fair to consider Pseudocyon roughly equal to 3 Lions in a Trenchcoat for hunting? Considering it's size and body plan

[severe yew]

interesting paper 🍻

[fluid inlet]

💀 what kind of question is that? Iron mike in 38 seconds.🤣

[severe yew]

yea, an injured elephant is more like it

[river plinth]

Bites doing little to no damage what so ever lol all you'll get is a flying lion

[stiff osprey]

I think you misread my comment, it's T.rex vs Palaeoloxodon not lion vs Palaeoloxodon

the lion example is just showing that elephants have been known to fall prey to animals much smaller than themselves

[steady rock]

this will be maybe a very obvious question but, what teeth would've done more bleed irl, allo or a cacrhs? ( we're gonna say your a sauropod )

[fluid inlet]

Group attacks , and not a 1v1 situation. 11 tons vs 17 tons is tough to overcome for any animal.

[stiff osprey]

not true, most large predators will hunt prey that is 50% larger than them or more. Plus the rex outweighs and does more damage than the entire pride of lions put together, anyway

[stiff osprey]

carcharodontosaurs have some of the most knife-shaped teeth of any theropod, alongside Torvo and Dilophosaurus, plus with the absolute size of the mouth, the carch will cause more bleeding

[steady rock]

dilo hjas knife like teeth?

[stiff osprey]

not as much as carchs but they are indeed thin

[fluid inlet]

What are some examples you referring to that are 50% larger? and are capable of standing their ground the way a mammoth would be able to?

Like for an example a lion can go after a giraffe but it’s always been a group attack that’s about 500 lbs per lion vs 1600/1700 lbs , I wouldn’t say a giraffe is as capable at holding its grown the way a bull Mammoth would. Those stomps are an effective tool vs the lion tho from giraffe. I always see lions go after younger giraffes to btw I don’t think I’ve seen them ever attack and successfully kill an adult giraffe.
Now we are debating biggest known T Rex at its peak vs the biggest known mammoth at its peak.

[stiff osprey]

I've seen a lion take a pretty large giraffe alone, but a more fitting example would be lion vs buffalo, since a giraffe is like 5 times the size of a lion while the difference between rex and mammoth is much smaller. And male lions do occasionally take buffalo on their own

Alternatively, imagine if instead of a pack of 10 200-kg lions, it was a single 2 ton gigalion. Or if instead of a tribe of regular sized humans, it was a single mammoth sized human with a spear the size of a tree. The group strat is effective, but shoving the same amount of brute force into one animal will work just as well

All i'm saying is the elephant is screwed if the fight happens during the half of all time where it's dark outside though. During the day i don't doubt it could defend itself against 1 rex

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I just seen a video of a big group of lions take down a mother giraffe 🦒 wonder if they take out adult male giraffes too

[jagged trellis]

A more common example is mountain lions and a good half of the stuff around em, haven't there even been a fair few who have regularly taken down elk?

[stiff osprey]

you've got mountain lions and elk, bears and moose, leopards and larger antelope, tigers and gaur, not common prey but they'll take it

[fossil ingot]

Snow Leopards still Cooler

[fluid inlet]

Source on the second one?

[thorn grove]

I'd think a rex could absolutely hunt a 17 ton elephant based on a lot of the examples people have provided and more, but a lot of predators hunt stuff that I doubt they could kill in a head to head battle

[jagged trellis]

That and in THIS specific case, one is a mega fauna who was titanic even among others around it and used that, vs a mega fauna who got big in a armsrace with other mega fauna and actively hunted em

[junior dawn]

https://x.com/TheDarknix/status/1901443361979941246?t=KiXRzjGaU1V18gI8OIfmpQ&s=19

The Darknix (@TheDarknix) on X

DINO News!!!
So Miragaia & Dacentrurus are different after all!?!
An infographic created by the P.V.C indicates that these two genera are actually separate, meaning the synonymy isn't as accurate as previously proposed.
#dinosaur #Portugal #stegosaurus #JurassicWorldRebirth

X · Mar 17, 2025, 1:19 AM

[stiff osprey]

this reconstruction looks so scrungly

[scenic flame]

I pulled a few strings to shut down cuttlefish earlier when the dared question me listing Miragaia as accurate.

This is not a coincidence.

[junior dawn]

the #s on the post
"#JurassicWorldRebirth"

[balmy oyster]

I do love me subadult dacentrurus

[lilac hornet]

does this mean people can stop "erm actually it's dacentrurus"-ing everytime someone says they like miragaia or am i sadly mistaken

[junior dawn]

if the study provides good evidence for miragaia being separate, yes

[zealous ravine]

One of the colleges I’m applying to happens to have both Dilo and a lab dedicated to skull function and ecology and whatnot, and I feel like it would be a sick project to study how dilo may have hunted

[tough parcel]

Evidence that Random is not an agent of Big Paleo but in fact...Vivid is...?

[fossil ingot]

Ngl quite the difference of Old and New

[compact leaf]

I think you have the wrong username there

[scenic flame]

How dare you accuse me of dislexigram

[compact leaf]

my reputation forever tarnished 😔

[balmy oyster]

Lol lancian try not to downsize azdharchids challenge

[manic grail]

Chat just u wait till we get 10 tons spino

[steady rock]

which is? never

[manic grail]

I smell doubter

[steady rock]

znd zm

[manic grail]

Is that some sort of doubter language

[steady rock]

also i have a new typing quirkl for attention, evertytime i type a im replacing it with a z

[balmy oyster]

zbrzczdzrz

[steady rock]

im not doing that no more its to much work

[tacit pine]

How heavy is nanuq, lythronax, and gorgosaurus and yuty in tons or kg?

[warped peak]

Nanuq and Yuty are both around 1.2 tons, can't say for others

[plucky basin]

JESUS CHRIST I JUST REALIZED THAT SOUNDED RACIST

[balmy oyster]

depending on how you look at it, I get what you meant but it did come off kinda odd lol

[plucky basin]

what i meant by that is that i dont understand the language lol

[brave nova]

Gorgos 3tons

[tacit pine]

Alr thanks

[steady rock]

Troodomtids were usually much lighter/lighter built then dromeosaurids yeah?

[harsh forge]

Iirc

[steady rock]

What's the top 5 biggest dromeosaurs

[native kindle]

Utah, Austro/Achillobator, the hell creek dromaeosaur(lmao) and yeah deinony

though diuqin may be longer. also depends on wherever imperobator ends up

[steady rock]

I thought Austro was in a different clade of raptors?

[native kindle]

Dromaeosaurs are Dromaeosaurs they're the more derived ones iirc

[steady rock]

Isn't austro a Unenlagiidae?

[lapis steeple]

I'm pretty sure it is

Yeah it is I checked

[steady rock]

Is Unenlagiidae in dromeosauiria or whatever it's called?

[lapis steeple]

Yeah it's a group of dromaeosaurids from the southern hemisphere, most of which have been found in Australia.

[steady rock]

Unenlagiidae always reminded me of troodontids more, I wonder why

[lapis steeple]

But it is Unenlagiinae, named after Unenlagia from south America

[thick relic]

@harsh forge heres a size of most of the raptors

[harsh forge]

oh damn

[lapis steeple]

Everyone always sleeps on austroraptor fr

It's literally the 3rd largest dromaeosaur and it is unique because it eats fish and terrestrial prey.

[rancid dove]

2 megalodons including different models that perfectly match the body length what do you think?

[lapis steeple]

Hehe big big bite sharkie

[rancid dove]

Scientists say it looked like a lemon shark. I don't really believe it when you see the width of the teeth.

[lapis steeple]

I Wonder what would have happened if scansoriopterygidae survived past the late Jurassic

[rancid dove]

If Scansoriopterygidae had continued to exist after the Jurassic, they could have evolved into a different lineage of flying dinosaurs with membranous wings, which may have changed the evolution of birds and made flight more varied.

[lapis steeple]

But I still doubt they would have survived kpg extinction, especially since the pterosaurs died then.

[rancid dove]

You're not wrong, they seem to be small pterosaurs who were able to find a place to hide while surviving and eating carcasses or insects.

[lapis steeple]

I hope more pterosaurs are found because their fossil record is patchy in some areas

[rancid dove]

something that didn't need to eat so much and weighed a few grams or kilograms

[lapis steeple]

But in terms of what has been found pterosaurs were at their absolute biggest during the late Cretaceous

[rancid dove]

I too would like to learn more about what happened and did a good number of them survive and evolve…

[lapis steeple]

Survive the kpg? No way.

[rancid dove]

really, after all we haven't discovered everything, There are many creatures whose existence we still do not know about.

[lapis steeple]

The smallest pterosaurs from the late Cretaceous were miniature azhdarchids and Nyctosaurus.

There is definitely more that we don't know about but nonetheless pterosaurs didn't fit the bill for what could survive that extinction.

[rancid dove]

I wonder how some species could still exist, like modern crocodiles, when they have existed since the dinosaurs.

[stable sun]

This is bs btw

We have ~5-6 m Ceratosaurus adults and no known 2-3 t specimens

[stable sun]

it wasn't

[stable sun]

To be fair we aren't actually sure if they're Dromaeosaurids, some studies have suggested otherwise

[stable sun]

most of the raptors? Absolutely not, there's like 40

[velvet burrow]

I think nowadays Unenlagiidae is considered a separate fam

[steady rock]

Now I'm confused as I was now given two conflicting answers

[harsh forge]

i know, its been explained, ive been missinformed

[warped peak]

Unenlagiidae is in a weird spot and we're not entirely sure where it goes. Depends on the paper you look at

[steady rock]

Oh alright, what do you believe personally?

[stiff osprey]

If microraptor gets not only its own family but a wider group, unenlagiines should get a family as well

[thick relic]

i ment from the big ones

[steady rock]

What's stopping Unenlagiines from getting their own?

[stable sun]

Velociraptor isn't among the largest and this is missing some larger ones

[thick relic]

thats why i said SOME of the ones

[frail swift]

Tbh who really cares. Probably most people in Paleo were not calling Miragaia specimens Dacentrurus. Same species or not the individuals still exist

Its like how Kronosaurus technically doesn't exist name wise anymore and yet everyone still calls it Kronosaurus. The only argument against calling Dacentrurus Miragaia is pedantry

And of course if you are writing scientific papers which none of us are I imagine

[tulip gyro]

da goat is back🔥 🗣️

[opaque kayak]

TBF I thought the whole eiectus thing itself was dubious

[stable sun]

Yes, because per ICZN rules it's better to get a neotype for a basically famous taxon than to abandon the name.

this is also the only thing that gives troodon hope

[opaque kayak]

Damn the troodon fans still are hanging on

ALso, is the whole kronosaurus not being kronosaurus even definitive? It seems often that queenslandicus holotype being different from MCZ 1285 had not much more then fragmentary so hard to tell logic

[steady rock]

rexy is below average for rex size, right? ( i think she's like, 7 tons? )

[balmy oyster]

No she’s basically spot on

[steady rock]

oh alright

[low raven]

In dominion she’s 8.4 tons iirc

[balmy oyster]

Also around average

[scenic flame]

Kronosaurus is still valid, people ignore Eictus because they disagree with the reasoning for the split.

Miragaia being separate does matter because there's a big fuckin different between an individual and a genus level distinction.

If it's Pendantry then we should go back to every saurichian and pseudosuchian that doesn't look like a modern corc being lumped into Megalosaurus

[chrome oasis]

Cuz Monquirasaurus sounds worse than kronosaurus

[scenic flame]

no Monquirasaurus is valid and generally accepted

[chrome oasis]

[scenic flame]

with mass

[chrome oasis]

[stiff osprey]

these are with minimal blubber btw, wouldn't surprise me if they were 20-30% heavier

[scenic flame]

randomdinos once again showing his hand in trying to downsize everything. sighs
With skin that thin a paper cut would lead to massive bloodloss!

[balmy oyster]

How much people do you want to bet will see this and not realize it’s sarcasm

[scenic flame]

fr
"The guy who posted and sighted randomdino's size charts as a good reference believes that randomdinos is working with big paleo to downsize dinosaurs like Kronosaurus"
It'd be funny if people didn't take LancianIdolatry at face value for a similar joke

[stable sun]

this is ignoring the fact that this upsized everything

[scenic flame]

"Ignoring the fact" is YT community posters' specialty

[opaque kayak]

Literally the ONLY size comparison where he upsized everything and this is the one

[opaque kayak]

I also like big paleo, along with deep dirt, who stops BAND froming coming into power

[balmy oyster]

Same YT community “ignoring the fact” that megalodon may have gotten longer but it now weighs less + longer body seems to be consistent with giant sea animals

[stable sun]

New vs old Pliosaur size chart:
Aramberri - 10.4 t to 14 t
Kronosaurus - 11.4 t to 15 t
Pliosaurus funkei - ~6.5 t to 16 t
Pliosaurus rossicus - 9 t to 10 t
Liopleurodon - 2.2 t to 2.9 t
Monquirasaurus - 8.7 t to 13 t
P. carpenteri - 4.2 t to 4.6 t
Overall largest Pliosaur - 11.4 t to 20 t

[opaque kayak]

Looking at this now I never thought pliosaurs would be upsized this much, no offense since they are often really overhyped, expecially in the year of the downsize

[steady rock]

do you think we'll ever find a mosaurid that reaches the size of the largest pliosaur?

[balmy oyster]

Tbh they’re not as overhyped as with ichthyosaurs

[scenic flame]

that depends on the big tylosaurus specimens mainly tmk

[opaque kayak]

noooooo not cute fishy (granted in the recent decade their hy[e has really died down)

[steady rock]

how big currently is the big tylosaurus specimen?

[opaque kayak]

Bonker got downsized, so I think it's very unlikely any mosasaur specimen we have surpasses 15 tons, or even 10 tons. I just guess that there must have been mosasaurs far larger that existed, but if we will find them is kinda hard to say, and that also applies to undiscovered pliosaurs.

[scenic flame]

idrk since mosasaurs had their ribs swept back making them abit slimmer

[steady rock]

did any plesiosaurs reach 20 tons and up?

[scenic flame]

biggest one

[opaque kayak]

He's jaw is so chad

[steady rock]

oh, i meant like, the long necked ones

[opaque kayak]

In terms of those the largest maybe reach 10 tons, from some random antartic aristonectes or sm, I forgor the specimen name

[stiff osprey]

All the mass I removed from Deinosuchus was placed in Pliosaurus funkei

[stable sun]

Nah

[opaque kayak]

13.5 tons - 6.4 tons = 7.1 tons, 8.9 tons + 7.1 tons = 16 tons

[stable sun]

"good luck Deinosuchus"

3 hours later

"Your shrinking operation was a success!"

"Where is Pliosaurus funkei"
"Who do you think took your weight"

[opaque kayak]

What was once had https://www.reddit.com/r/Naturewasmetal/comments/11imtxd/deinosuchus_hatcheri_is_possibly_the_largest/

[balmy oyster]

Tbh I always wondered how something like that could even exist on land without dying constantly

Turns out it couldn’t

[opaque kayak]

We can still cope by using modern croc size variation to say maybe that size existed at one point in history

[stiff osprey]

It's also possible that they didn't exist on land at all, since suchus only has 2 sacral vertebrae

Or that they were semiterrestrial while young but the adults were waterbound

[frigid delta]

why is Lio only 3 tons???

[scenic flame]

what do you mean

[frigid delta]

Lio looks so small
since when did it get downsized like that? i'm missin out

[opaque kayak]

There are bigger lios tmk, but they are very fragmentary

[scenic flame]

did you not know WWD's Lio was commically over sized?

[stiff osprey]

woah someone unaware of liopleurodon downsize in 2025

that's like finding a unicorn

[scenic flame]

or a magical Liopleurodon

[frigid delta]

i... don't know lol
this is new for me

[scenic flame]

it was based on hyper fragmentary remains of some Pliosaur that could've been Lio, but wasn't and also was alot smaller than 25 meters

(WWD's very wrong size in the background)

[frigid delta]

i think i remember a book of mine stating Lio was 100 meters
eh but it was when i was like what 8-10 years old, i think it has been reselled bcuz i'm not interested in that outdated book anymore. more relying on internet like Discord etc etc

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/gipsy-danger-walk-in-the-rain-jaeger-pacific-rim-gif-16632271

Don't worry we have him

[frigid delta]

wait until you find out the funniest thing is it's weight
iirc "as heavy as one of those massive himalayan mountains"
-stated by that book i forgot the name

[thorn grove]

Absolute Cinema

[balmy oyster]

Possibly, archosaurs in general like to have really wonky size ranges

[frigid delta]

no 100 meter book Lio?

[frigid delta]

joke aside
do you think Ballista solos them all?

[winter marsh]

that lio would get soloed by Cartorhynchus

[manic grail]

Whats the biggest pliosaur that isnt just fragmentary?

[fossil ingot]

Sachi maybe?????

[stiff osprey]

sachi

[manic grail]

Ok thanks

I just read something on the internet that sachicasaurus is a nothosaur and not a pliosaur

[steady rock]

Link it

[manic grail]

https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/sachicasaurus-the-first-giant-nothosaur-not-a-pliosaur/

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/david-peters-paleontology-paleo-memes-prehistoric-wild-kratts-gif-12990874523138621050

David Peters is as reliable as a flat earther

[manic grail]

But when u read it doesnt it kinda make sense?

[compact leaf]

no because sachicasaurus is very clearly a pliosaur

[stiff osprey]

you can tell sachica is a giant nothosaur due to the complete lack of nothosaur fossils between 200 mya and 120 mya when sachica lived

[scenic flame]

if you mean like how psuedo-science tiktoks are just trying to "ask questions" and for you to "think about it" when they give leading questions and lie out their ass about evidence

[manic grail]

"Real plesiosaurs have long flippers
with more than the usual number of phalanges per digit. By contrast, Sachicasaurus does not have long flippers and It has the plesiomorphic number of phalanges. Yes, the skull is huge and the neck is short. In the LRT those pliosaur-like traits are not enough to attract Sachicasaurus toward the pliosaurs. Note the different interpretations of the skull bones presented here (Fig. 1). The nasals, in particular, are nothosaurian, not pliosaurian."

What about this

[scenic flame]

"the earth is flat because I can't see it curve"

big flippers are not a diagnostic trait for plesiosaurs or pliosaurs

[tough parcel]

I'd also like to say that it's very clear the flipper is incomplete/improperly reconstructed by Peters

Like no animal will be able to move if proportioned like Krono or Sachi as proposed here

[scenic flame]

I remind you this is the same man who made this image below,
believes all pterosaurs were obligate bipeds,
Yutyrannus is Allosaurus's closest relative
and that he can see soft tissue outlines using photoshop filters that no one else can see or recreate

[light osprey]

This is because you’ve lost your autonomy to the big-paleo hivemind

[manic grail]

Yea i found them weirdly small too. So he basically made the flippers too small?

[manic grail]

I dont even know who that man is but yea sounds weird for sure lol

[scenic flame]

Anything from David Peters is to be treated as wrong, never use anything he's made

[tough parcel]

Significantly

[zealous ravine]

Yeah David Peters is a nutjob, nothing he says should be taken seriously

[scenic flame]

David Peters to sum it up is a contrarian for the sake of being one, he actually believes there's an unironic "big paleo"

[manic grail]

I meant i had never heard of him before so i didnt think of something when i saw the name in the article

[scenic flame]

at least you're saved now, no need to thank me

[manic grail]

Ig lol

[wind prairie]

do NOT even compare seven to a david peters creation you rapscallion
(nah but that episode was so sick)

[hallow spear]

@stiff osprey your sachi gdi is clearly wrong please use this one which is correct.

[stiff osprey]

This is how we can make Sachicasaurus smaller than T.rex

[serene moat]

I thought sachi was the biggest damn, the one at the top big as hell tho

[fluid inlet]

Sachi is a victim

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyosauria victims

[steady rock]

is this still true 3 years later

[balmy oyster]

well for starters, "bruhath"'s name is now for an abelisaur

[serene moat]

Nah My sachi wins bc it has plot armour🗣🔥

[opaque kayak]

man I can't wait to see a reliable giant macropredatory ichthyosaur other then shoni,.... Oh right, we don't have one

[outer tusk]

avimimus

[steady rock]

How's accurate new eo?

[ancient crystal]

Wait what?

[woven crater]

it got downsized I heard

[steady rock]

Old eo

[ionic crescent]

Still a tad upsized, wrong integument, wrong hand shape. Skull is still very triceratops like, jugal is not a horn, should be a nail instead

[steady rock]

What does the last sentence mean

[tough parcel]

The bottom portion of the jugal was a muscle attachment, however the upper part/tip was covered in keratin

[steady rock]

Ooh okay

[ancient crystal]

I feel a tad upsized is acceptable in the context of PoT, old eo being to scale with large triceratops was the problem

[ionic crescent]

Old Eo was 12 meters long, current one is around 10 meters long

Max trike estimations are around 9 meters

While max Eo estimations are around 7-8 meters

[ancient crystal]

Oh so its not a tad

[steady rock]

In the pot verse trike is 14 meters

[frigid delta]

when was it TLC?

[tough parcel]

Scratch that, that's new and just now

[steady rock]

Just like updates, think of the old "tlcs " for deinon and alio , it hasn't gotten its true tlc yet

[tough parcel]

So small model touch-ups and we know this isn't the finalized TLC?

[ancient crystal]

Speaking of videogame trikes, is there any scientific basis at all for isle trike's head to be the way that it is?

[steady rock]

Yea

[tough parcel]

In what way?

[ancient crystal]

I mean I don't play the isle so I have to go off of videos and what other people say, but my impression has been that the skull is like weirdly small as well as being positioned incorrectly on the body

[steady rock]

Have a image of it?

[tough parcel]

I think that you're thinking of the older animation set which screwed its looks

I physically cannot open TI on my laptop, but the newer idle looks better

[ancient crystal]

Like I saw this image on I think the KTO discord which is what brought it to my attention

[white matrix]

Yeah Isle Trike has a weird standing position

[steady rock]

Isn't that with Diablo rig, it got updated

[tough parcel]

As I said, the animation set was incorrect, leading to less-than-good looking quality

[white matrix]

What about their Rex ?

[shadow thicket]

Isle’s trike low key has the standing position of a dog

[ancient crystal]

Their rex stands like it had mild back pain and aside from the typical isle stylization I think it looks alright

[brave nova]

Old eo more more around 11m. Compared to Maip which is 10.4m it’s abit longer but then compared to pt Rex it’s more than 0.4m shorter

[white matrix]

I read a complain saying it looks to much like JP rex (Same for Omni)

[frigid delta]

the hell is Omni?
Omni-Man?

[ionic crescent]

12 cause my Eo mod is around current Eo size if not either a tad smaller or a tad bigger

[ancient crystal]

Meh, omni is much closer to jp raptor than isle rex is to jp rex

[brave nova]

Then pt is lying about their Rex being 12.4m

[white matrix]

Omniraptor, they changed Utah's name

[topaz shell]

Wait Eo remake?

[carmine wind]

Mod or TLC?

[tough parcel]

Wdym? (Regarding the stance)

And @carmine wind it's a tlc (supposedly a temporary TLC until the full one is released, but that's hypothetical)

[steady rock]

Remember how alio got a visual update? Like that

[frigid delta]

Alio sucks i hope it wasn't get unearthed in the first place (not in POT, but irl. i'm very despising Alio irl)

[steady rock]

Why

[frigid delta]

irl Alio seems weird and uncanny for me to see
feeling like i wanted to destroy every single thing that mention Alio
books, fossil mount, diorama, figure, toys
you named it

[steady rock]

Nanotyranus

[tough parcel]

Nanotyrannus is cool because we probably have more than two specimens

[frigid delta]

is better than Alio

[steady rock]

Is there any possibility of nano being a alioramid?

[sudden wind]

Nano position is like unclear as hell anyway

[tough parcel]

I would assume that would happen when all previous studies shove you into T. rex

[ancient crystal]

It doesn't stand as horizontal as I'd expect is all

[tough parcel]

From what I recall of small clips, the Evrima Rex moves pretty horizontally

[ancient crystal]

Its the standing posture specifically. I'm not saying its wrong really, just that it looks a little strange to me compared to other game rexes.

Also nano is valid again?

[frigid delta]

last time i remember
Nano = Juvenile Rex

saying Nano is a different species from Rex is like saying puppies/kittens are different species from dogs/cats

[tough parcel]

It's looking more and more likely with Napoli's paper examining the shift of traits through ontogeny and how it'd work in a phylogenetic analysis (Spoiler alert: Nano-T doesn't match what an adult Rex would be unless Rex is an abnormality in the animal kingdom)

As well as more discoveries of young rexes that look markedly different from each other while sitting at approximately the same age

[frigid delta]

i haven't heard of this guy
how's Gojirasaurus?

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/JGN_Paleo/status/1850937250214994195

Pre-print and simple summary of the paper is included here

Dr. James G. Napoli (@JGN_Paleo) on X

Vertebrate paleontology has an ontogeny problem.

I think I've solved it.

NEW PREPRINT and THREAD 🧵 (link to preprint at the end)

(Picture from Tetrapod Zoology, images owned by authors cited therein)

X · Oct 28, 2024, 4:26 PM

[ancient crystal]

So not a Longrich situation? And tbf, if I'm gonna bet on any animal being an abnormality in the animal kingdom, rex is pretty high up that list lol.

Jokes aside I'd be interested to see that paper

[tough parcel]

It's not at all a Longrich situation which is why people are talking about it still (All of Longrich's taxon fall into obscurity after the initial day of publishing)

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, I remember the paper feeling like Longrich saying, "I think nanotyrannus is valid based on feels and vibes, here's a cherry picked sample size of less than half available specimens to support my claim"

I'm sure people are tired of the big shark, but what does everyone think about the new meg paper? I remember last time a paper making megalodon longer and thinner came out, people here kinda didn't agree with it.

I think the body shape specifically that the paper shows in the silhouette is a little off at least, it doesn't strike me as what you'd expect of a pelagic shark but maybe I missed where they justified it.

[outer tusk]

It's a shark

[ancient crystal]

I just think its funny that after all the "Megalodon isn't just a big great white" that when a paper goes up seemingly proving that notion everyone pivots to "Megalodon is just a big lemon shark."

[frigid delta]

wrong it's a barracuda

[outer tusk]

Closer to Copper shark to some

But also GWS do have similar bodyplans with their elongated torso

[ancient crystal]

Oh I'm aware, I'm just commenting on the reaction I've seen from people thus far. Meg can't just be meg, it has to be a bigger version of an extant shark despite the obvious physiological differences born of being the largest known fish in Earth's history.

In all honesty, some of the versions of this longer meg actually look more like a great white to me than the old meg recons. Those were always noticeably more robust than even the largest great whites and didn't look that more similar to great white than what either animal does compared to other mackerel sharks

[white matrix]

Meg being long BOI is more interesting than big white shark ngl

[sudden wind]

"Meg was slime unlike a great white!"
The humble average great white shark when it isn't gorged or pregnant:

The paper fails to account that body size, body shape and ecomorphology doesn't seem correlated with centra length and diameter. So the method is not very strong afaik.

[tranquil quartz]

Dubious

[light osprey]

The humble unspecified bone of a particular maturity:

[stable sun]

The Nanotyrannus holotype is adult

[manic grail]

Does anyone know which helicoprion mouth is accurate?

[manic grail]

Ok thanks

[frigid delta]

what are the chances for a night hunting/nocturnal Rex?
or what my headcanon would say; The Satan of The Night

[outer tusk]

very high since for any predator hunting at night espeically when prey is sleeping is most effective

[wind prairie]

so edgy
it was an animal. While it could be cool to refer to an animal as a "devil", satan outright is a lil much
tyrant lizard king will always the most befitting nickname

[balmy oyster]

Besides isn’t Satan some sort of title within Christianity? It’s not actually specifically the devil

[outer tusk]

yes

[frigid delta]

*American's Most Powerful Berserker

[balmy oyster]

I used to have one of these books, I loved it

[neon flower]

💳 💥 💳 💥 💳 💥

[halcyon linden]

Put trike head on an anky body and you got unstoppable force.

[halcyon cobalt]

anky trike hybrid when it can’t lift its head because it lacks the musculature

[halcyon linden]

When that's an easy fix because you modify the genome

[frank kiln]

Fossil evidence of dinosaurs, including bones, teeth, footprints, and even skin impressions, helps paleontologists understand their lives and evolution

[tough parcel]

Yes that's what...paleontology means

[umbral kite]

name ur favorite living whale species

[warped peak]

Thats not paleontology

[outer tusk]

Erm well technically it's paleo since they existed at a time during period we classify as prehistoric

[warped peak]

Nah whales only evolved in the last 400 years

[umbral kite]

really only four hundred i thought it was longer

[warped peak]

(I was making a joke, whales have an extremely in depth fossil record, although many extant species have pretty poor direct representation)

[steady rock]

Your mother

But if I really had to pick it would be narwhals, their just cool

[balmy oyster]

Whales are cool because they’re the only terrestrial-to-marine animals that had a identify crisis on what they should be

[warped peak]

How'd they have an identity crisis?

[balmy oyster]

They first tried to be like crocs, but decided they could try something else and tried being sort of like nothosaurs but decided they liked mosasaurs, however they really liked the idea of long, but then after a while they started to settle on filter feeding & hunting each other

[opaque kayak]

Triassic ichthyosaur meta

[warped peak]

Also Plesiosaurs kinda did similar

First tried to be semiaquatic fishers, then went full aquatic then some went big head short neck. Some went small head long neck. Then some long neck ones decided to do a big head as well

[misty scarab]

Very Fascinating

[steady rock]

What species is the last one?

[warped peak]

Polycotylids

[steady rock]

Weren't some also living in freshwater?

[warped peak]

yep

[steady rock]

During the mesozic, did any fish get bigger then leed?

[thorn grove]

your mother

[warped peak]

A couple are kinda close but none actively exceed Leed

[steady rock]

Your mother was so large one jumping jack split Europe and america

[fluid inlet]

Your mother so big that when she goes camping the bears have to hide their food

[steady rock]

Your mother is so big it makes prehistoric planet rex look like a skeleton

[thorn grove]

your mother:

[warped peak]

I miss rotund Perucetus

[thorn grove]

the ultimate buff to Perucetus would be it simply becoming the spherical cow meme

[lavish frigate]

It lived in the upper atmosphere and ate birds. The true blimp.

[winter marsh]

perucetus, along with tardigrades, are the only animals able to survive in space

they feed on small asteroids and space dust that are rich in minerals, allowing them to travel though space for decades

[frigid delta]

Allosaurus = Labrosaurus, Creosaurus, Antrodemus, & Epanterias
yes?

[balmy oyster]

“Epanterias” might be distinct, but pretty much yes

[frigid delta]

i forgor Saurophaganax (Allo Anax)

[balmy oyster]

Anax & sauroph aren’t the same thing

[tough parcel]

They are in the way that A. anax contains material previously referred to S. Maximus

[balmy oyster]

That is true, but the holotypes of both are different elements

[frigid delta]

one is Allosaur
the other's Diplodocids
man i do love "Saurophaganax"

[steady rock]

Bruhathkayosaurus son or dakotaraptor daughter

[frigid delta]

Agathaumas sister or Dirachodon brother

[fluid inlet]

What they did to perucetus should be a crime

[balmy oyster]

Bruhath’s name got transferred over to an abelisaur
Dakotaraptor’s name no longer is very valid, but we DO have some sort of large dromeosaur from the hell creek

[steady rock]

do you guys believe dakotaraptor was a hoax/made up ? ( and be honest)

[fluid inlet]

We do 🤨 does it have a name yet? Doing a little bit of hell creek formation right now

[tough parcel]

Considering the large raptor bones are mixed into the Dakotaraptor holotype, no it’s not named yet

[steady rock]

i have a question, was prey just plentiful in hell creek to sustain , juvie rex's, nanotyrannus and "dakotaraptor"?

[fluid inlet]

Uh triceratops , Torosaurus , edmontosaurus babies?

[tough parcel]

No, it was just a normal ecosystem with 0 human intervention (Multiple predators are the norm)

[balmy oyster]

No, I do believe it was always intended to be real but there was unfortunately a mixup with what did and didn’t belong to a large HC raptor

We barely have much of what could be determined as being a raptor, but there was definitely something

[zealous ravine]

Given DePalma I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew something was up but intentionally ignored it

[steady rock]

did i fall for the trap of due to human interfrence what we view as normal isnt actually? ie not having multiple predators in our ecosystems due to our enviormental destruction?

[balmy oyster]

Hell creek had a wide array of fauna that could sustain an ecosystem of smaller predators & multiple large herbivores pretty easily, not to mention similar formations to where animals could also travel to

[fluid inlet]

Nice sickle claw you got there bud

[steady rock]

someone pull up the giant prince creek troodontid

[balmy oyster]

There’s also the fact that there is just a natural decline of megafauna after the last ice age which also caused a lot of animals to go extinct or dispersed elsewhere

[tough parcel]

Yuh + Fishy’s thing

[frigid delta]

guys i forgor is it true that
Rex = Dynamoterror & Manospondylus?

[steady rock]

is depalma a controversy figure in the paleo community?because everytime i see his name brought up its never anything positive

[balmy oyster]

More like dyna & Mano = Rex, but yes

[bitter quest]

Yes

[tough parcel]

Dynamosaurus*

[steady rock]

alamotyrannus is also rex but no one is ready for that conversation

[frigid delta]

i keep mixed different dino names

[bitter quest]

Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis actually, same area and everything

[steady rock]

differences between the two rex species?

[tough parcel]

Very much so! I won’t go into the more…not-legal things as I can’t recall what he did and what others did, but he refuses to allow others to examine his specimens and seemingly has lied about details regarding the Tanis site

[bitter quest]

Mainly just the jaw/head since mcraeensis largest estimate is same size as rex

Also just came out earlier than rex

[balmy oyster]

“Alamotyrannus” might be a daspletosaur

[frigid delta]

Rex: fat and taller younger brother
Mcraeensis: slimmer and shorter older brother

[steady rock]

may i ask how?

[balmy oyster]

Mcraeensis could have been just as bulky, we only have slight skull material & it resembles Rex pretty closely

@steady rock you should ask tableseating about this one, I believe he has the sauce for it somewhere

[steady rock]

does this summ it up?

[tough parcel]

Yea

[frigid delta]

DePalma more like DeBalda

[steady rock]

depalma son or jack horner daughter

[fluid inlet]

Shouldn’t he be like ban for this?

[steady rock]

theres two things preventing this, misgony and money 😔

[balmy oyster]

Paleontology field drama is crazy

[fluid inlet]

That’s just anything and anywhere tbh , weirdos all over the place.

[steady rock]

ik ava is frowned upon, but realistically, who would win, jp raptor or irl utah?

[bitter quest]

Utah

[balmy oyster]

JP raptors are either indestructible parkour enthusiasts or get killed by a girl swinging on a bar

[sullen cairn]

theropods facts and figures says its "daspletosaur-like" with zero elaboration which is to say there isnt really any reason to believe its especially aligned with daspletosaurs

[steady rock]

so they just said it "daspletosaur-like" due to vibes?

[fluid inlet]

Aura

[balmy oyster]

So at the end it really is just rex

@fluid inlet idk I think both of us know the same about whatever this thing is

[sullen cairn]

technically the only specimen actually associated by name with alamotyrannus is from the campanian
and if you're to believe dalman's cv there is still a non-tyrannosaurus tyrannosaur in naashoibito

[steady rock]

what does the last sentance even mean 💔 💔 💔

[balmy oyster]

Ojo Alamo tyrannosaurus

[fluid inlet]

I just realized I’m thinking of alioramus lol

[balmy oyster]

lol it happens

[stable sun]

we have literally no postcranial remains for mcraeensis

[stable sun]

Actually no, Teratophoneus-like taxon, not Daspletosaur

[balmy oyster]

Ah

[balmy oyster]

isn't there a single chevron

[wind prairie]

Aaalll our timees haaave come
heeere but nooow they're gooone
seasons don't feaarr the reapeeerrr
nor do the wind, the sun or the rain (we can be like they are)
come on baby (don't fear the reaaperrr)

[steady rock]

where was dodo's island even? like, whats the closest continent?

[proper dove]

Kentucky

[wind prairie]

Mauritius, off next to Africa
Chicago

[steady rock]

so their african birds by technicality?

[proper dove]

No

[wind prairie]

as much as a lemur is african, which is to say... not really

[outer tusk]

how about "ojorannophoneus" ( that's kind of badass right? )

[umbral kite]

huys wat stopping us from jsut breeding chicking or turkey into super large aniamls and get dinosaurs back

[stiff osprey]

said chicken/turkey would probably be in extreme suffering and not live very long

[rigid hemlock]

hi discord! idk if any of yall have heard about the new megalodon discoveries, but it was announced that megalodon, which was thought to be 60 ft average, is now being estimated to have reached 80 ft. long!! a whopping 15+ ft difference!!! researchers compared the proportions of the megalodon's trunk with the trunks of 145 modern and 20 extinct shark species; Assuming that the megalodon was roughly proportional to the majority of other shark species, and extrapolating from the 36-foot trunk section, the researchers estimated that this individual may have had a 6-foot-long head and 12-foot-long tail, giving it a total length of 54 feet (16.4 meters). However, the largest megalodon vertebra ever found measured up to 9 inches in diameter — 3 inches bigger than the largest vertebra from the 54-foot shark. Scaling up from this larger vertebra, and based on the previous proportions, the megalodon it belonged to may have measured 80 feet long!!!!

[stiff osprey]

Big fan of long O. megalodon

megalongdon, even

[lapis steeple]

He's right guys

[warped peak]

It worth noting that at the same time, the largest estimates leaped from 140 tons down to 90 tons, due to how sleek it got

This makes it a lot more reasonable as a whole, and the new shape is honestly a lot more fun

[fossil ingot]

Long Mega is Peak

[rigid hemlock]

yup!!!! i honestly love the longer version better than the chonky xD

[lapis steeple]

And to think it was alive 3.6 million years ago.

[steady rock]

why would you do that to a poor animal

[umbral kite]

how we just keep breading the bigger ones eat the small oke and us natural selection

[stiff osprey]

ok but there's a limit

we've been breeding cows for thousands of years and they haven't become elephant sized

[steady rock]

random do these discussions make you feel dumber or smarter? i feel like i get dumber each time im here

[tough parcel]

Random is actually immune due to being involved with these discussions for decades

Much like how constant exposure to chicken pox and radiation makes you immune to each

[umbral kite]

both it depend on who having the conversation

[steady rock]

random is grandpa? 😨

[stiff osprey]

I've barely been on the internet for more than a decade 😭

[tough parcel]

That’s what they all say!

[stiff osprey]

Unless you count like Youtube and Coolmathgames.com (brasil edition), then it's like a decade and a half

[steady rock]

show us ur first ever skeletal

[rancid dove]

If they make a mod, they can put a stocky subspecies for people who like large proportions and moreover its can be rp since some females are big or pregnant

[fossil ingot]

Jumpscare

[rancid dove]

Is it Eotriceratops?

[umbral kite]

counter jumpscare

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[scenic flame]

evidence randomdinos is now getting paid by big dairy...?

[paper wyvern]

That's super cool. Am I the only one who sees a super-sized shortfin mako, though?

[severe yew]

getting there... lol

[stiff osprey]

if that cow is 6'4 then the woman must be tiny

[fluid inlet]

Didn’t know cows could be as tall as me

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-wig-gif-3563422

[zenith rose]

I mean, besides the fact it's completely unethical and those poor animals would be suffering... you could argue that they just wouldn't survive due to our oxygen levels. (I'm mostly sure) elephants are our largest terrestrial animals and they're known for heaving for air constantly, so if we bred animals to get as large as that if not larger, they'd probably just die from exhaustion if we eliminated their other health problems from selective breeding. This could be argued as "could they or couldn't they" pretty much forever

[stiff osprey]

oxygen levels aren't the problem, as dinosaurs naturally evolved to adapt to them, but we don't have the skill to do that to a chicken or turkey with genetic editing

at least not without a few generations of animals dying horribly first, which means that such research would never be allowed by any ethics council

[zenith rose]

Yeah that was kinda my point there, that they evolved to be in different oxygen levels....so if they were to come back so large they'd be having a rough time and have to evolve to naturally be smaller. You could argue if we were able to "breed dinosaurs back" like OP wanted, I guess we would need to aim for smaller ones instead of larger ones

[stiff osprey]

oh i meant that large dinosaurs could survive with today's modern oxygen levels

earth's oxygen levels changed over time, but we had giant dinosaurs when they were high and we had giant dinosaurs when they were low. low oxygen didn't stop large dinosaurs from existing

[zenith rose]

Alright, fair enough then! I see your point

[warped peak]

Same for big bugs, contrary to popular belief

[scenic flame]

^ arthropleura existed in the early permian's oxygen low point, oxygen is an important but often way overrated factor in animal size. Not to mention that Dinosaurs have a far better respiratory system than any mammal

[warped peak]

and that giant bugs also existed in the mesozoic, but tended to struggle with pterosaurs and birds

[drifting condor]

Is Torosaurus invalid?

We still using skull emoji🥀🥀🥀

[scenic flame]

no

[balmy oyster]

No, we have multiple specimens with both the holotype & most notable hell creek skull being distinct enough to solidify toro’s validity

[wind prairie]

yes, it was confirmed to be triceratops long ago

[fluid inlet]

He’s a good guy that triceratops dude

[wind prairie]

reels back in

[lapis steeple]

Counter counter jumpscare

[hardy blaze]

can faslosuchus take down a rex

[lapis steeple]

No.

[opaque kayak]

Counter Counter Counter jumpscare

[hardy blaze]

how complete is faslosuchus skeleton

[lapis steeple]

Isn't it just a piece of the skull?

[thorn grove]

I think the skull is fairly complete iirc (though I'd want to double check) but yea that's all there is

Nvm it's not that great, looks to be a maxilla, premaxilla, and dentary with nothing else

[hardy blaze]

what about barina

[thorn grove]

but to answer the question no, Fasolasuchus gets eated by rex

[hardy blaze]

poor old man faslo

[steady rock]

its ur fault you put it against rex of all things

[hardy blaze]

what about a dasp or an allo

[thorn grove]

according to earlier convos in this chat Faso is like 7 meters and 1.6 tons so still no

[hardy blaze]

dasp and faslo seem to be the same size tho

[thorn grove]

tbf there are higher estimates for faso out there but idk if they're still valid

[hardy blaze]

google said 10 meters (33 feet)

1 meter more than dasp

[modest kindle]

Will I grow up traveling around the map with a crocodile?

[thorn grove]

my Google is saying 8-10 meter range, regardless I think that estimate is based on a 7 meter size for Saurosuchus which may have been downsized to 6 meters, thus reducing the extrapolated size of Faso as well

[brittle comet]

Counter Counter Counter Counter jumpscare

[fossil ingot]

Old Spoon with to Leggy

[hardy blaze]

well still not that much smaller than dasp