paleontology

[fossil ingot]

Theres been cases of them also stealing Cheetah's Kill.
They have beef with alot of stuff

I will still use 14.7m NHMUK random made tbf rather than the downsize you made
Thats more me tho plus iirc you said you can use either

[stable sun]

i mean tbf random scaled it that way a few years ago too

[fossil ingot]

Then changed how he scale it.
So it depends which one you wanna use

[zealous ravine]

@fluid inlet HLG Tyrannosaurus, honestly might be the best one yet, definitely gonna pick it up

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it’s a instant buy for me too, didn’t care too much about the pnso release sadly.

[zealous ravine]

For me the PNSO was almost perfect, if not for lack of lips. Also, did you see the Spiclypeus yet?

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I was referring to Spiclypeus, not pnso* tyrannosaurus. I guess because I already got triceratops, Lokiceratops and Styracosaurus I was hoping for something else. It is a good model tho. Just don’t like the letters they put on its frill.

[umbral kite]

guys do u think theropod dinosaur like raptors or mega theropods did the head twich thing birds do

[umbral kite]

that a broken shield trike

[desert jolt]

I would imagine the raptors did but idk about bigger theropods

[keen tundra]

How accurate would you sy this drawing I made is to dienochirus

[umbral kite]

u could use this skull

[keen tundra]

Ty

[keen tundra]

Thanks I think it look alot better now actually just with the small changes

[tough parcel]

Looks pretty good, only suggestion is the bump before the eyes needs to be flattened

Oh and the beak doesn't extend all the way to the eye

[keen tundra]

Okay

[tough parcel]

Ducc

[keen tundra]

Indeed

[drifting arch]

Oh that’s super cute!

I’m still trying to process Edmontosaurus was most likely grey in coloration according to mummified scales and paleontological interpretation.

[tough parcel]

Grey? 😭

I've heard a few colors/patterns thrown around but never grey

[drifting arch]

Yup; crocodiles get beefed on by quite a few things: other crocodiles, river otters (those cuties are vicious), hippos, lions, jaguars. They’ve got it rough.

[outer tusk]

crocodilies don't live with river otters or jagaurs

[drifting arch]

Jaguars are known to hunt caimans and Orinoco crocodiles, while there are plenty of documented instances of river otters harassing saltwater crocodiles.

[zealous ravine]

Fair, ceratopsians are def the group I’m least excited for figure-wise, but it’s still quite nice

[drifting arch]

https://youtu.be/5NrfnUfzsic?si=vekRlwQa-T3MIB83

[zealous ravine]

Not sure where you heard that. Tmk none of the edmonto mummies preserve fine enough detail to determine coloring

[drifting arch]

All the way back to this discussion, and let me correct myself, not Edmontos but hadrosaur of some kind.

[drifting arch]

Apparently some reinterpretations by paleontologists put hadrosaur skin and coloration akin to a rhinoceros or elephant.

[tough parcel]

Yea I haven't heard any hadrosaur to have such a diagnosis

[drifting arch]

Read this @tough parcel

[tough parcel]

That's skin thickness, not color

[drifting arch]

It goes over coloration as well but you have to actually read it like I did, because skimming you’ll miss it.

[tough parcel]

The presence of eumelanin may imply a grey colour, similar to that of the skin of living rhinoceros and elephants. However, we did not detect chromatophores and there is insufficient evidence to determine the possible influence of skin structure, variables that are known to have an important role in determining the colouration of the skin in reptiles (Kuriyama et al. 2006; Lindgren et al. 2014). Therefore, we cannot reconstruct the original colouration of the hadrosaur definitively.

[thorn grove]

It does mention color but the Hadrosaur analyzed is indeterminate tmk so whatever is the case for it might not be true for Edmontosaurus, additionally the paper is relatively uncertain about its interpretation of the grey coloration

"The presence of eumelanin may imply a grey colour, similar to that of the skin of living rhinoceros and elephants. However, we did not detect chromatophores and there is insufficient evidence to determine the possible influence of skin structure, variables that are known to have an important role in determining the colouration of the skin in reptiles (Kuriyama et al. 2006; Lindgren et al. 2014). Therefore, we cannot reconstruct the original colouration of the hadrosaur definitively."

[drifting arch]

Yes, that part. So there’s possibilities that a hadrosaur was grey, but evidence is inconclusive .

[zealous ravine]

Never did I think I would be on Falcon's side

[unreal anchor]

Hi
I'm new

[fluid inlet]

Definitely need the trex asap, don’t have any tyrannosaurids, only carcharodontosaurids and spinosaurids oh and majungasaurus

[zealous ravine]

Run, before it's too late

[opaque kayak]

It's already too late 😔

[drifting arch]

We live in possibilities until further data is provided, but this technically means someone could make a rhino skin for our hadrosaurs and it wouldn’t be out of the scope of realism. Rhino Skin When

[tough parcel]

You've reached the correct conclusion in a slightly roundabout way, though still solid

[thorn grove]

Granted these could all be the same color but the patterning of scale shapes and sizes on Edmontosaurus is pretty well understood

[drifting arch]

I actually had an interesting conversation about skin colorations with my boyfriend after the discussion of hadrosaur pigmentation. So I’ll ask you guys this as well: do you believe all prehistoric life experienced albinism or melanism ?

[outer tusk]

brontosaurus x supersaurus does make for a peak hybird

[fluid inlet]

What was the purpose of edmontosaurus or the majority of hadrosaurs at that to have such frail looking front legs compared to its strong looking back leg legs

[patent mist]

A possibility is they were only used for walking and were small in order to facilitate bipedal running

[low raven]

Do we have a lot of skin impressions of Edmont?

[tough parcel]

Modern reptiles show very weak (or no) correlation between scale size and color

There was an example based off of caimans but the tweet was probably lost to time Also Saurian's "researcher" might've made this up so

[patent mist]

Could be inferred from the psitaco paper (the yixian p.sp specimen had a blurb about it)

[fluid inlet]

Seeing something that big run bipedal especially considering its overall build would look rather odd.

[tough parcel]

Blurb on scale-color correlation?

[thorn grove]

cuz they were facultative bipeds, the front legs supported walking but they still reared up to run or browse higher

iirc E. annectens has particularly somewhat small arms for a Hadrosaur tho, maybe it grazed more or something and so adapted to keep its head lower

[steady rock]

was saurians researcher not a real researcher?

[patent mist]

Their center of gravity is roughtly where theropods have it as seen in the buoyancy paper. Not to mention most hadrosaurs aren't larger than the largest theropods. They also have lowered and large 4th trocanters implying the back legs could take heavy stress

[tough parcel]

Saurian just made a ton of weird decisions

With Edmonto specifically, I believe the problems arising with the researcher is he supposedly studied Dakota for this chart but it's on display at the AMNH and I don't think there was any record of the specimen being pulled or closely examined by anyone since its discovery/that hand paper

I can't recall the exact details because this was like...3? 4? years ago now but it was generally a "How did you get to this conclusion"

[rancid arch]

Is it even remotely possible to say a trex reached 14-16 tons? As per bigger specimens founds each year or so

[drifting arch]

They would make excellent conga lines XD

[patent mist]

As far as I know one of the big things about the psitacosaurus sp description was scale color correlating with size.

[rancid arch]

At this point theres a chance we just find a psitaco sleeping in the dirt alive with how much we know abt it

[stable sun]

It likely did, but no known specimens

[fluid inlet]

Interesting learned something new today, thanks

[rancid arch]

I wonder how that dude wouldve even hunted or walked.
I mean...imagine how chunky.

[stable sun]

A 14 t rex would be 13.7 m

[rancid arch]

What are the current ones, also what abt the 15 ton ones if they reached that-

Also this goes for every dino so maybe 13 ton gigas
And 10-11 ton spoons

[tough parcel]

Interesting, I'll have to go rooting around for that, thanks

[zealous ravine]

Most likely

[rancid arch]

No ones speaking abt how my boy tarbo got nerfed

[drifting arch]

But then if that’s the case, I can only image the extreme instances that would have to occur for that to be seen in something like a sauropod or tyrannosaurids.

[fluid inlet]

@umbral kite this is news to me

[rancid arch]

The albinos mostly likely died before reaching adolescent-

[zealous ravine]

It does, took me a while to get used to it lol

[rancid arch]

Pretty sure zucheng is now bigger by .3
If tarbo got bigger and i didnt hear news of it ofc
But tarbo is abt 5-5.5 tons i think

[drifting arch]

Oh most definitely, but then what about those having melanism? Would they have better odds?

[rancid arch]

Ehh i wouldnt say they did any better, dark does blend in a forest but still would stick out quite alot.
Especially if not in a volcanic like area.

Better chance but not by alot

[thorn grove]

iirc that's only if you assume a vertebra belongs to Zhucheng even though both Zhucheng and the unnamed other Wangshi Tyrannosaurid are both diagnosed by cranial material and therefore any postcranial material can't be confidently assigned to either taxon

[rancid arch]

Hmm..yeah your kinda right

[thorn grove]

I think the holotype for Zhucheng is like 4.3 t so a bit smaller than Tarbo

That said it appears something from Wangshi got marginally bigger than Tarbo, we just don't know which

[rancid arch]

Might just be a tarbo

[thorn grove]

so I've heard lol

[fluid inlet]

Did a paper ever come out for that exceptionally large ceratosaurus

[umbral kite]

what explain

[river plinth]

Maybe I'm not getting a better understanding is there a actual justification to poaching????

Also I've never heard of poaching being encouraged ANYWHERE like wth?! 💀

[rancid arch]

Wasnt tarbo nerfed to 5 tons from 7

[umbral kite]

Common sense isnt as it used to be

[tough parcel]

Beyond the fact poaching can be a symptom of poverty (Poachers sell the animals/animal remains for money to provide for their family in areas that just doesn't support anything else), no there is no justification

[umbral kite]

i personal believe if u hunt the animal u should it and just waste it

[balmy oyster]

“We like to shoot things from 2000 kilometers away let us have fun!!”

[patent mist]

I'm pretty sure the theory at least made it into the news articles about this specimen even though it doesn't seem to be in this paper
https://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tmp/papers/gmayr43.pdf

[balmy oyster]

Saurian the same ones to purposefully make edmontosaurus seem gargantuan compared to Rex

[patent mist]

i seem to remember the gigantic comparison to stan being based on mor v 007 which was oversized do to a typo in the paper that it's described in. the ones in game are closer to 9 meters which is more common. Assuming becky's giant is a edmont and not a saurolophus you would get roughtly 14-15ish meters long and a little bit over 4 meters at the back. Ypm 616 and x rex are a little smaller but not by that much

[thorn grove]

I usually see X-Rex reconstructed as being larger but tbf Betsy's Giant is so fragmentary that I would take any size scaling with a lot of caution

[steady rock]

would lambeo be able to perform the rodeo kick it does in game , irl?

[warped peak]

No, I don't believe Hadrosaur spines are that flexible

[astral spindle]

Wasn't that Zhuch?

[steady rock]

so it'd basically be breaking its spine?

[thorn grove]

both are vaguely comparable in size, afaik Tarbo's max weight sits at about 5.5 tons

[balmy oyster]

And possibly its limbs as well too

[astral spindle]

Isn't Zhuch bigger? Its max is 5.87 tonnes? Or was it debunked?
(Thing was 7.1 tonnes before)

[thorn grove]

^

[astral spindle]

Debunked then -_-

[balmy oyster]

Zhuch is like 3 - 4t now

[astral spindle]

Bros getting sarco treatment

[balmy oyster]

There does seem to be a possibility of rather large edmonto’s existing but they are very few

[thorn grove]

as other have said it probably couldn't, but on top of that it probably didn't need to since it already had a powerful tail for rear defense and its hind feet were mostly padded rather than hooves like on horses for example, I doubt it would be very effective even if it could do it

[thorn grove]

We probably do have a few very large Edmontosaurus specimens by virtue of having a crazy high sample size, the erroneous assumption is that those represent "true adults" when an analysis of the RMDQ bonebed found most E. annectens were reaching full maturity at like ~11 meters iirc

[steady rock]

this will be a weird question by why would padded be weaker then hooves?

[thorn grove]

would you rather be hit by a metal baseball bat or a wooden one covered in a towel, assuming the same mass

[balmy oyster]

Average edmonto size from what we have seems to be around 5 - 6 tons which is still rather large and similar to the ceratopsians in HC

[thorn grove]

yea it was a big Hadrosaur, it's just that even fully grown adults weren't generally rivaling Shant or exceeding T. rex or anything like that, which some people have tried to claim based on the couple of large specimens

[steady rock]

wooden one covered in a towel

[balmy oyster]

I do believe this all started from the saurion post. I am also confused as to why giga-edmonto stans aren’t interested in shantungo which seems to be capable of achieving much higher sizes

[rancid arch]

Trex only getting buffs and same as giga, and even carcha, my boy spino gonna be done worse than dunk next year prob

[thorn grove]

I've wondered the same myself lmao, I think it's because they want to be contrarian and say that Edmonto was beating up T. rex where as saying Shant was able to beat up Zhucheng seems like the default position if anything

[patent mist]

i listed the largest three in that

[opaque kayak]

I mean Giga hasn't been upsized for the last couple years, Carch downsized and Spino upsized

[rancid arch]

Giga def has. Isnt it like 8-9 or 9-10, we also can safely say specimens rival trexes current biggest specimens in weight..just not the estimated 15 ton chonkers

[iron halo]

What if the zhucheng was in musth

[opaque kayak]

It was like that for the last couple years is the thing

[thorn grove]

then shant doesn't stand a chance, musth is the ultimate weapon

[fluid inlet]

Here’s Darius Nau paper on Giga T. rex sizes https://www.paleo.keepfree.de/#largest_theropod

[river plinth]

Depends on the exact species

[river plinth]

Smaller ones yeah definitely but larger ones nah they can still buck tho just not as drastic

[steady rock]

how small we speaking?

[fluid inlet]

http://www.paleo.keepfree.de/#largest_theropod

[opaque kayak]

I thought femur allometry had some problems in it

[rancid arch]

At this point make spino fly

[opaque kayak]

Such as rex being relatively thick compared to other dinosaurs, and Spinosaurus would weigh 1.5 tons when it weighs 8.5 tons

[halcyon cobalt]

spinosaurus hasn’t had any major changes for like half a decade

[river plinth]

Around saaaayyyy half the size of lamb I think or a little over but that's just my opinion

[steady rock]

so 1.5 tons?

[sullen cairn]

he just uses circumference as a relative comparison so theoretically it shouldn't change the conclusions
although he also defines adult as anything sexually mature/probably sexually mature which does amount to a pretty wide definition of "adult" and obviously kinda hampers a straightforward size comparison

granted any straightfoward size comparison between giga and anything is gonna be somewhat hampered by giga having no histological work

[thorn grove]

then we make assumptions based on whichever one we like better, duh

[sullen cairn]

the three rio limay carchs with histologies all have some degree of an EFS so clearly there is a 100% chance giganotosaurus also has an EFS

[steady rock]

would amarga and baja be close enough to have a hybrid offspring? ( think narwhal and beluga's )

[fluid inlet]

Did Paul Sereno already show off new creatures ? Isn’t it today, the paleofest

[river plinth]

Yeah

[opaque kayak]

The paleofest? Where do we view it?

[fluid inlet]

You have to be there I think, sadly but hopefully someone is streaming it. http://burpee.org/paleofest/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2RMS8xrIichpAG90TmXQhCPXLks03cTVIV33QTAlfFLkbScOR5LLs3eGU_aem_l3FuDK0u7YPUCUc8TQZJ2g

[opaque kayak]

Thanks bro

[scenic flame]

https://x.com/DanPalaeon1/status/1895252572224790974

Dan F (@DanPalaeon1) on X

Perhaps one of the most relevant fallacies in all arguments against scientific thought. I've seen this fallacy used in many a comment section... eg. "Scientists disagree what dinosaurs looked like - therefore we have no idea what they look like".

X · Feb 27, 2025, 11:19 PM

[opaque kayak]

Hate the word fallacie, but good point

[river plinth]

Idk man being in poverty but you can afford over 1000 dollar guns seems sketchy imo

[tough parcel]

Oh yea because poaching is only committed by white folk on safari

How could I have been so foolish!

[river plinth]

Mmmmmmm

[opaque kayak]

I mean african warlords and tribes have plenty of guns, since it's nessesary for them to have one in such dangerous environments

[river plinth]

I'm just saying they DEFINITELY ain't cheap especially if they're struggling

And yeah white foke on a safari like the other guy said xD

[tough parcel]

What? You didn’t understand what we said at all

[steady rock]

what would have been the largest late triassic - early jurassic sauropod? like, how big were the really early ones getting?

[river plinth]

Well help me :>👍

[opaque kayak]

Oh I doubt that, there is a bunch of malnourished Children on Africa that do have guns, since there are such a great supply, but also happen to not have clean water or even just daily food

[river plinth]

That is true yes

[tough parcel]

It’s not even that?? Areas of Africa have seen lots of war over the centuries and as such, have a surplus of weapons scattered around

Hell, in areas such as Asia, you don’t need a gun. You just need knowledge of how to trap an expensive animal

[steady rock]

how did we get this to conversation - someone who is ilterate and is up able to read up for context due to lazyiness and lack of care

[river plinth]

You know that dose explain why rangers in congo are guarding the gorillas with aks 24/7

[river plinth]

Wait to me? :<

[steady rock]

no to me, im so sorry ToT

[river plinth]

Ok okie :>

[river plinth]

Well run down basically

A group of lions uno reversed to people who were trying to illegally hunting them and ppl in the comments respectfully showed no sympathy and the guy was trying to argue on " oh poaching is actually encouraged (said nobody ever💀) and there just there just trying to make a living (off 90% of the time scamming) for there families there not monsters 🥹🥹🥹🥹" dispite the fact they have thousand dollar guns just to shoot down a intier species to extinction or take there baby's to the market for God knows and even so far to shoot down rangers and witnesses (because its illegal activity no witnesses right :D) to just to sell a 20$ snow leopard pelt or abdomen increasing powder that surprise doesn't work ;D it's honestly ATROCIOUS

[frigid delta]

he king
he tyrant
but most importantly
he father

[river plinth]

I said abdomen cause If I actually said the funny no no word mods would have me on a stake

[velvet burrow]

Do we have a biteforce for this man? Those lower jaws look sturdy af

[fluid inlet]

Hope to see blue rhino studio work in more museums

[thorn grove]

what museum

[frigid delta]

duck peck except abt 3-5 times more damage (?)

[low raven]

Would probably be like 1,000 times stronger than a duck lol 🦆

[fluid inlet]

Not sure if it is in a museum yet but a lot of their work is. Like Sue which spends a lot of its time at the tyrell museum

[drifting arch]

That. That is peak. I need this in my life. I need this.

[steady rock]

deinosuchus core

[nocturne elm]

It's more like a baby deinosuchus

[steady rock]

now that i think abt, was deinosuchus more related to alligators or crocodiles?

[nocturne elm]

Alligators ig, Because of the shape of the skull etc.

[steady rock]

ooh ok

[tough parcel]

Yea, they're alligatoroids so they're closer related to modern gators/crocs than Sarco (but Puru's an actual caiman so it wins)

[drifting arch]

Deinosuchus is in the Crocodilia Order but then branches into the Alligatoroidea Superfamily, with its closest relative being the Caimans actually.

I think it's Sarcosuchus that's more closely related to modern day crocodiles

[opaque kayak]

I hope someone is recording this

[fossil ingot]

Tnk
Sarco isn't even a True Cocodrilomorph or whatever it was

Deinosuchus is tmk a More Basal Alligator
With Purussaurus closest relative been caimans cause well
Mf is one

[drifting arch]

oh this made my brain hurt

[tough parcel]

That's what I said

[drifting arch]

Like, I'm trying to understand the jump from crocodylia to non-crocodylia for Sarcosuchus, but when I looked it up this just fried my brain

[fossil ingot]

Cocodrylia thats the word smh

[opaque kayak]

All the suspicious Spinosaurus morphs compilation

[zealous ravine]

It’s actually currently at the MOR I believe

[balmy oyster]

Brand new Triceratops skeletal, by ours truly Randomdinos

[wary heath]

Why do people keep talking about cloning extinct animals?

[wind prairie]

hopeless dreams

[balmy oyster]

Cause it’s fun

[wary heath]

But it's never going to happen though.

[frigid delta]

pls
tell random
Prorsus when?

[balmy oyster]

It would be the same thing except for the skull

[fossil ingot]

Or use "Albertensis"
Trust

[balmy oyster]

Done

[fossil ingot]

This lad is prorsus now right?

[balmy oyster]

I think here it’s as horridus

[stiff osprey]

it's prorsus

[balmy oyster]

[stiff osprey]

the only difference between the two ''species'' is the nasal horn so all triceratops are headswaps

[light osprey]

Horridus is the older one right

[fossil ingot]

Big guy then.
Largest Lad I am guessing, or atleast Big lad

[stiff osprey]

according to scanella et al. horridus is in the lower middle middle upper middle lower hell creek only

but yes horridus is the older one

[fossil ingot]

Funny trike moment lol

[tough parcel]

Rhythm game sentence

[fossil ingot]

Bro raps

[balmy oyster]

Parappa the rapper

[steady rock]

may i suggest using maybe different values so its easier to see?

[balmy oyster]

I’m going to see if I can scale the holotype of horridus to see the size difference

[steady rock]

what species of para appeared in jurassic park?

[manic grail]

Parasaurolophus jurassic parkus

[balmy oyster]

might be wrong but this is was the fandom says

[tough parcel]

It’s just walkeri tbh

[balmy oyster]

I figured

[drifting arch]

RIP my Dunk got nerfed

[balmy oyster]

done

[frigid delta]

where's this prorsus skeletal come from?
late reply but whatever, curiosity lightens the monke brain

[balmy oyster]

Lancian made that one, though random's should be more up-to-date

[lyric grove]

T-Rex

[frigid delta]

*T. rex

[sudden wind]

*T.rex

[frigid delta]

no space?

[livid jungle]

T. rex

[frigid delta]

*Rex

[halcyon cobalt]

t-rex

[still prairie]

No

[stable sun]

Apparently there's a Kraken from the Campanian

[frigid delta]

a question just comes in from one of my server
any answers?

[warm saddle]

An 8 ton apex predator isn't exactly ideal as a pet

[frigid delta]

raised from baby to adult
imagine 8 ton baby Rex

[desert jolt]

Could be

I mean if it knew you its whole life

[stiff osprey]

Even if you raised it from a baby it would still kill you, likely by accident

[light osprey]

Nonsense, I’m living in a house with two carnivorous animals (canis domesticus) and I’ve no issues with accidental predation

[stiff osprey]

This would likely not be the case if a warning bite from them was enough to obliterate you

[frigid delta]

wasn't Rex bite makes bones explode?
not crushed or cracked
explode

[fluid inlet]

There is no such thing as a 8 ton baby rex lol

[light osprey]

Perhaps instead of raising baby tyrannosaurs we should have pet domesticated animals?

[frigid delta]

i think imma stick to small-medium tyrannosaur like Alio
German Shepherd in a form of reptile

[stiff osprey]

tbh I wouldn't keep a pet theropod larger than a Microraptor or Compsognathus

Maybe Buriolestes for a sauropodomorph

[frigid delta]

do you think Velo could be the Chihuahua of the Theropod?

[fluid inlet]

Yall would be the pets not the other way around 😂

[stiff osprey]

"You don't handle a full grown T.rex, the T.rex handles you" ~clint's reptiles

[spice snow]

Idgaf if it could blow up my eardrums I wanna pet a parasaurolophus so bad

[fluid inlet]

https://www.fossilrealm.com/cdn/shop/products/Willard_NEW_page-0001_large.jpg?v=1704473252

[wind prairie]

velo is not that small
I feel like people underestimate how big a velociraptor really was. It wasn't chicken sized, it was about turkey sized. Turkeys are fairly large

[stiff osprey]

the largest specimens are coyote sized

[river plinth]

1 of the smartest 💀

[wind prairie]

no.

[river plinth]

Yeah naw that's practically getting a giant road runner or land cronc as a pet nothing but disaster

[wind prairie]

predatory animal larger than you = ❌

[steady rock]

what was like, the general dinosaurs ( like, you'll usually see those creatures there ) of a late cretascous chinese ecosystem?

right now, what im thinking of is
a 5 ton tyrannosaurid
a sauropod on the smaller side
average sized ankylosaurs
and the average sized raptors

am i forgetting any?

Leptoceratopsidae was common right?

[undone rapids]

Big Hadrosaurs I guess, or maybe avg sized? idk what an avg sized hadro is

[scenic flame]

Udanoceratops and Protoceratops were present

well, that's more toward Mongolia but I don't think national borders are at all relevant

[steady rock]

i checked wikipedia and i was suprised proto wasnt apart of Leptoceratopsidae

i did not know Protoceratopsidae was a thing even

weird question but, what was the average size of oviraptorids?

[versed sage]

I’m learning that PoT really cheated our boy Sucho

[steady rock]

sucho weighs 5 tons...

[versed sage]

Exactly and yet in game he feels so tiny compared to a lot of other large dinosaurs that he should technically be bigger than

[fossil ingot]

Wdym "cheated"

[fossil ingot]

Wdym
Sucho is like
Perfectly Sized in Length and Head Height.
He is a bit to tall in Hip Height but thats about it.
Heres POT Sucho next to WOTG Sucho who uses Largest Irl Sucho and most up to date skeletal reference

[opaque kayak]

Oh, damn, POT can make models accurate for sur

[steady rock]

which one is PoT sucho...

[fossil ingot]

The Spikey One
The one thats taller at the Hips

[river plinth]

Not really

[fossil ingot]

Allo Size wise is Closer to Sauro.
Largest Allosaurus Anax previously Sauro is this Boi at 11.7m
POT Allo is around 11.4m

[river plinth]

Seems the same except pots is more up right

[fossil ingot]

The Bary here should be larger but thats irrelevant

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-carson-kressley-rupauls-drag-race-all-stars-its-me-youre-pertaining-to-me-gif-9367812036254282434

[versed sage]

I must be crazy then cause rexes and allos always feel so much bigger than me. Unless it’s just cause they’re girthier so it gives the illusion they’re bigger

[fossil ingot]

Funny enough
If you put Irl Sucho in a Neutral stance
Should be about same height as Neutral Stance POT Sucho

[fossil ingot]

Looks alr to me
And Rex is slightly upsized either way, Sucho kinda is too at the Hip but meh doesn't affect overall size

[versed sage]

Yea from what I read suchos and rexes were nearly the same size with rexes having slightly more length on them

[fossil ingot]

Then again
Sucho is mostly tall due to its Neck and Posture.
Its Hip Height is...alr

@versed sage Sucho is Longer than most Rexes
Rex is much heavier tho, A 12m Sucho is 5t
A like 11m Rex is 6t
With a 12m Re. Been around 9t

[versed sage]

Shouldn’t they be the same height tho?

[fossil ingot]

Huh?
Why tho

[steady rock]

rex just tall because rex is rex and rex got everything in its life

[fluid inlet]

Pretty simple it’s undersized in the game compared to the other oversized animals in the game. Not hard to comprehend what he meant.

[fossil ingot]

Undersized???
Its Technically Oversized due to its Hip Height
Its accurate Sized
Like Dasp

[fluid inlet]

Lad….

[fossil ingot]

Rex is taller than Spino at Hip Height and Head Height.
So makes Sense

[fossil ingot]

What other Dinosaurs should he be Bigger???
Sucho is already Bigger than everything he should be
That statements makes no sense

[fossil ingot]

Saying "its undersized"
Just feels like a Joke when it technically is slightly oversized.

Iggy isn't oversized
Allo technically isn't either
Dasp is Good Sized
Rex is oversized by like very small % which if you wanna argue Cope's Existance

[steady rock]

wouldnt it be the longest and not the largest?

[fluid inlet]

What ??? Most things in path of titans are oversized

[fossil ingot]

What😭.
Ain't no way ppl think Suchomimus is still a Sub Adult.
Even if it was a "sub adult" it wouldn't grow 3 meters and Become Larger than Spino itself

[steady rock]

i have a question, did any spinosaurids coexist together in the same formation? i never really thought abt it before

[versed sage]

I guess technically possibly

[fossil ingot]

Yet none of them affects to what Sucho Should and is Larger than it.
Ano been upsized to Anky Sizes doesn't make Sucho smaller, Allo is smaller both CW and Visually
Iggy is Visually Large as it should, hell its arguably undersized
Dasp is Accurate Sized
Allo arguably too
And why yes, alot of stuff are oversized
It affects nothing to Sucho cause Sucho is still noticiably larger specially with its oversized Hip Height

[versed sage]

They believe suchos and barys coexisted

[steady rock]

???

[fossil ingot]

What....they live in different formation at different times.
Sucho lived with Sarcosuchus Imperator and Eocarcharia Dinops

[steady rock]

sucho was visiting its cousin in england

[fossil ingot]

Real

[fossil ingot]

Tmk
I think its Ceratosucups and Riparovenator.
Think its those lads

[fluid inlet]

Bars oversized massively
Ano oversized massively
Thal oversized massively
Eotriceratops oversized massively
Tyrannotitan oversized
Achillobator oversized massively
Sarcosuchus oversized massively

Naming species and then saying they scaled it to another one is not how it works if that’s the case just use the animal you’re scaling it too lol

And that’s just off the top of my head

[steady rock]

eo is just trike

[fossil ingot]

Sucho's formation is weird

[fluid inlet]

Doesn’t matter if it’s trike then make it triceratops instead of making eo just to be “different “

[steady rock]

tell that to the one who paid for it not me

[fossil ingot]

Funny enough
None but Sarco affects How Sucho is sized next to Them
Maybe Eo cause Ceratopcian moment.
Sucho was still smaller than Bars And Eo.
It was just visually Longer than Both and MAYBE taller than Bars

[fluid inlet]

Actually as far as I remember it was a vote between triceratops and eotriceratops and the community voted for triceratops BUT Alderon decided to go EO either way iirc

[fossil ingot]

Tbf
At the Time Eo was thought to be just a Massive Trike
Then bro resulted to be a Boobleheaded mf lol

[opaque kayak]

Yo big ichthyosaur

[fluid inlet]

New ? 👀

[opaque kayak]

Huene's 1956 specimen scaled up from Cymbo. I was told this skeletal was cymbo https://www.reddit.com/r/Paleontology/comments/1j16u9v/immense_size_of_the_ichthyosaurs_who_were_the/#lightbox

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyosauria forever

[opaque kayak]

Holy christ, have you scaled these two?

[steady rock]

im replacing one of the whales

[fluid inlet]

I thought the new consensus thought was megalodon was longer and “thinner”

[opaque kayak]

Or this ofc

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/artsaturator/status/1658930295226134536?s=46

STRN (@ArtSaturator) on X

(Reupload with a bit of changes)

A good catch is expected.
Otodus megalodon skeletal reconstruction.

#Paleoart #Megalodon #Meg #Shark #JasonStatham

X · May 17, 2023, 8:19 PM

https://x.com/palaeoe/status/1749231243269468441?s=46

Palaeontologia Electronica (@PalaeoE) on X

New study proposes an updated reconstruction of #Megalodon as even longer (but slimmer) than previously thought. This longer body may have also enabled a more efficient digestive system to power this massive icon of #paleontology.

Full #OpenAccess Paper: https://t.co/ADeXMrxTBR

X · Jan 22, 2024, 12:43 AM

[opaque kayak]

Ohh, this was literally barely longer (0.5 meters) and they didn't even give the weight

[fossil ingot]

Theres better references for Alongated Meg
Let me get them

[fluid inlet]

I like 2024 megalodon look doesn’t look like just a up scaled great white shake

[fluid inlet]

I like this!

[opaque kayak]

That is terrifying

[steady rock]

Meg was still probably bigger weight wise because i think sharks can get really weighty for their size

[fluid inlet]

What’s even scarier is if Hector size estimations are legit and evidence gets discovered.

[balmy hound]

Hi

[opaque kayak]

What's funny is how much larger himalayasaurus is compared to pliosaurs

[fluid inlet]

Not for me I was a pliosaur fan boy back in the day 😭

[opaque kayak]

Well at least you have Himalayasaurus and tylosaurus

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/diocles305/status/1802899054822858950?s=46 rediscovered?

Diocles (@Diocles305) on X

Hector's Ichthyosaur, a lost (and rediscovered) titan

X · Jun 18, 2024, 3:00 AM

[steady rock]

pls no

[opaque kayak]

God of reptiles and God of mammals

[opaque kayak]

WHAT EVEN IS THAT

[fluid inlet]

That’s ridiculous 🤣

What is buddy even eating besides everything like what was around to sustain its diet

[river plinth]

Frrrr

[low raven]

Aren’t Rex and spino the same at head height at least for average sized Rex?

[fossil ingot]

Spino has no Average.
Average Rex is taller at the Hips then the Largest Spino.
But Largest Spino is taller at the Head by a bit
Using Largest Spino and like
3rd or 4th Largest Rex, Rex is taller than Spino in Head Height

[low raven]

Yeah I just meant isn’t the average rex about the same head height as spino being the few individuals we have but I didn’t think spino was taller than the average ones at the head

[fossil ingot]

Average Rex and Largest Spino are like
400kgs apart at best.
But Spino is like 3m Longer
But its a Bit taller at head

[tough parcel]

Clash of the Dinosaurs...?

[stiff osprey]

Game of Thrones ahh photo

[stable sun]

0.5 m length increase is a different thing iirc

[opaque kayak]

Are you sure? IIRC Shimada got sm like 16.4 meters for the belgian meg while Cooper got 15.9

[umbral kite]

i think the mods might get u

[fluid inlet]

Deleted just in case lol

[wind prairie]

that is NOT the god of mammals
you have mistaken livyatan for the likes of HIM:

[opaque kayak]

Then perhaps I have mistaken Himalayasaurus for the likes of HIM

[somber knoll]

Is it possible for some dinosaurs to have had tongues like modern monitor lizards and snakes do, with a lot of receptors, where they could "taste" the air? Is there any way to discern this off of skeletal clues at all, even in modern animals?

[outer tusk]

https://www.deviantart.com/randomdinos/art/Triceratops-horridus-skeletal-reconstruction-1166085244

[wind prairie]

no, that is only a lizard thing

[steady rock]

is hector bigger or smaller then a blue whale?

[wind prairie]

I'd wager smaller since it seems the blue whale will never be surpassed

[opaque kayak]

Bigger, someone iirc did a 3D model, in theory tho tbf

[steady rock]

do u have it on u?

[steady rock]

how does that show its bigger tho?

[fossil ingot]

Damn
Thats a VERY high Volume
300t lad

[wary heath]

Was gigantopithecus largely quadrupedal like an orangutan

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I’ve seen bigger all across the board as well.

[fluid inlet]

The lower estimations are 31.628 meters and 262.8 tons lol

[scenic flame]

it's undescribed for a reason, would advise against taking any estimates seriously regardless of who made them

[stiff osprey]

mighty 300 tonne ichthyosaur with shorter vertebrae than sikanniensis

[frigid delta]

huh
thought it was bigger
welp, sure it's still big. i heard sm species can outreach to 100+ tons but
i thought it was as big as they are portrayed in movies
like The Meg or smth like that
overmassive size

[ancient crystal]

I don't think you can find a single accuracy in the meg

[drifting arch]

what did I come back to, I was absent for a day because I had medical emergencies, but what's the topic for today?

[fluid inlet]

Basically Hector ichthyosaur

[drifting arch]

Ahhh the whales before whales, but not quite whales. XD

[steady rock]

how do their size make u feel

[warped peak]

"God of mammals" Not even the largest fat extinct toothed whale

[opaque kayak]

Man eophyseter gang really rose up

[warped peak]

Perucetus:

[opaque kayak]

Now that I think of it, there is perucetus, but TBF we don't actually know if it was bigger then livy, or have it's skull yet

[warped peak]

Current size estimates have it in the same size range but a bit heavier

[drifting arch]

I have a phobia with deep dark water, so the scaling of these behemoths instills a newfound respectable fear for them.

[topaz shell]

But isn’t the sperm whale bigger than Livy?

[quasi token]

it is actually, peru isn't an odontocete/toothed whale

[stiff osprey]

it is a whale and it has teeth, close enough

[iron halo]

It’s a toothed whale but not a toothed whale

[orchid rain]

Hi

[ancient crystal]

By a decent margin, yes

[fossil ingot]

Yes

[warped peak]

Eophyseter means I'm still technically right

[forest minnow]

Which Livy is that I mean length wise

[fossil ingot]

Seems like 12.5m Livy

You can technically get 14m Livy with this guy.
Which is a 41t 14m Livy

[stiff osprey]

technically only 25% of adult sperm whales are larger than livyatan since all of the females are substantially smaller and not many bulls reach >40t

[fossil ingot]

True.
Then we have that Random male thats 20m and 88t cause Funny whale Bull moment

[stiff osprey]

fearsome moby richard

[fossil ingot]

Orcas so cool

[fluid inlet]

Do we have anything in the modern era that we can compare to triceratops and Torosaurus coexisting in the same environments. Both closely related but both having much success in the same areas regardless of both likely filling the same niche?

https://youtube.com/shorts/jEs_VME_XW4?si=ctKOvV5GvEYDZvoe I guess maybe this but this kind of occurrence would be rare I think where triceratops and Torosaurus would be more frequent I think.

[stiff osprey]

not in the modern day but we used to have multiple ecosystems in africa/asia with more than 1 elephant species

north america too

[warm saddle]

hmmm?

[steady rock]

oh, its thanos's page on the vs wiki, here
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thanos_Simonattoi

the poor thing has been mag dumped into 3 times, eletrocuted and other stuff

[warm saddle]

oh lmao

[steady rock]

how true is this? source it credited if you wanna see for yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrosauridae#Neurology

[frigid delta]

LMFAO U SHOULD SEE REX
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tyrannosaurus_rex_(Real_World)

[steady rock]

they set it up for that spino rematch 😭

[round hedge]

Was balaur bondoc closer related to birds, or to dromaesaurs ?

[round hedge]

What is the big one on top there

I can tell it's an ichtyotitan, but what specimen is it ?

If I'm not mistaken, it's supposed to be the Aust collosus

[thorn grove]

afaik they were the most intelligent Ornithischians, how well they compared to certain Theropods is less certain iirc, though

obv determing intelligence in extinct animals is incredibly hard, it's hard enough to measure it objectively with extant ones

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[halcyon linden]

Seeing people try and use genuine power scaling meant for fictional characters on animals never fails to amuse me.

And that's coming from an actual scaler too

[quasi token]

eophyseter seems to be in the same range as livy at least but not really bigger (unless your using the undersized 12.5-13m livys)

though looking at the data for modern sperm whales at least eophyseter is likely lighter than livy even at a similiar length from what i can tell

[floral ivy]

No way this exists

[floral ivy]

Probably a Paraves
-# but some still classify it as a Dromaeosauridae so yea idk

[light osprey]

Paraves is inclusive of Dromaeosauridae

[sudden wind]

A lot.

I don't have an exemple directly but it happens a lot with small species

[floral ivy]

Ik
But Balaur is thought have been a Basel Paraves but some states that it nests much deeper in Paraves clade (specifically in Dromaeosaurid, either Eudromaeosauria, Velociraptorinae or much more basal Unenlagiinae)

[frigid delta]

Allosaurus-sized Cera lol

[steady rock]

Is carno special with being the only abelisaurid with turning problems?

[manic grail]

This game also has like utahraptor sized spinos if i recall lol

[light osprey]

Diceros and Ceratotherium overlap in range and niche

[frigid delta]

i wouldn't call it Utah size tbh

[manic grail]

Yea true now that i see the stats. But it sprints and jumps and stuff, it behaves like a smaller dino

[scenic flame]

It would happen alot with large species but modern ecosystems are pretty dead compared to what they used to be

[warped peak]

I found it: mammalian cunning

[steady rock]

Boost

[umbral kite]

that trex is small

[stable sun]

Literally no one says it's more basal than Dromaeosaurids, it's either a Dromaeosaurid or a basal Avialan

[floral ivy]

Ok

[river plinth]

Yeah rex is just fat that's why

[light osprey]

The charming scansoriopterygid Balaur 🤗

[stable sun]

that's still basal avialan

[light osprey]

I’ve never seen scansoriopterygidae recovered within Avialae

[stable sun]

And I certainly have, for example Hartman et al. (2019) and Cau (2024)

in fact the only paper with Scansoriopterygid Balaur has them in Avialae

[zealous ravine]

Currently it’s thought to be closer to birds

[warped peak]

Wasnt it recovered as an Unenlagiine last month

[round hedge]

Thanks

Now that i know that it's closer to birds than al the other dromaesaurs, and to the dromaesaurs themselves, i can now confirm that If it was still alive, i'd keep one as a pet

(I'd also have an entire room designed only for itself, and i'd daily take it out for walks for 2-3 hours, or even more)

Another creature added to gud boi/gud girl list

[zealous ravine]

Worth noting it would still be quite dangerous. It actually convergently was v similar to dromaeosaurs, with 2 sets of sickle claws and likey being flightless.

[fallen wraith]

Hey guys, I have a question. So i heard the trailer for the new Walking with Dinosaurs would be out Monday (today). Does anyone know what time it's supposed to drop?

[steady rock]

today

[stiff osprey]

I did not hear about this

[steady rock]

i hope we get jurassic and triassic content :(

[warped peak]

Focus on more than dinosaurs will always be a yes for me

[stiff osprey]

WWD2025 is not having any Triassic :L
there will be Jurassic content though

[steady rock]

aw :( this may be a little of a unpopular opinion but the triassic episode was one of the bests

[fluid inlet]

You wouldn’t have any of your favorite dinosaurs if it wasn’t for the Triassic period!

[steady rock]

whats the most like, the most iconic triassic dinosaur, celophysis or plateo?

[warped peak]

That implies my favorite dinosaurs weren't Triassic

[steady rock]

one of the most iconic scenes in wwd, even if its so inaccurate lol

[fluid inlet]

I really like ingentia primas from the Triassic period

[steady rock]

did any prosauropod even live with celophysis?

[stiff osprey]

not that we know of, though there's probably some footprints

[steady rock]

was any prosauropod built like this ? ( i know plateo isnt )

[stiff osprey]

lessemsaurids kinda? or Antetonitrus

[steady rock]

what would you say is the more accurate lessemsaurus?

[stiff osprey]

the blue one

[steady rock]

alright! thank you!!

[fluid inlet]

Solos allosaurus

[steady rock]

maip or ?

[spice snow]

Solos megaraptor

[steady rock]

average allo? yeah, edmarka allo? perhaps not

[fluid inlet]

Edmarka Allo? Also if we want to go biggest megaraptors vs biggest allosaurus enter Bahariasaurus 😎

[steady rock]

isnt edmarka allo? related?

[fluid inlet]

Edmarka is torvo not Allo

[steady rock]

oh alr

[fluid inlet]

You’re thinking about allosaurus Anax

[stiff osprey]

who would win edmarka anax or allosaurus rex

[fluid inlet]

The biggest megaraptor ceratosaurid

[warped peak]

"ubirajara" stomp

[balmy oyster]

The dicraeosaurid stegosaurus has a good chance

[steady rock]

i wonder what stego would look like if it was a dicraeosaurid

[balmy oyster]

The exact same thing but a longer tail and no plates

[steady rock]

wonder it also have a longer neck?

[balmy oyster]

It would be funnier if it kept the same neck length (also close enough to Brachytrachelopan)

[tough parcel]

There is no trailer, it's a rumor started based on the Spinosaurus reveal in London but there was no confirmation there is new information with it

[fallen wraith]

Wow, I'm deleting YouTube😭😭😭😭

[velvet burrow]

That was beyond disappointing ngl
That and them olympically sleeping on South America like the original WWD

[jagged trellis]

montanaspinus

[snow python]

How heavy was A. Anax?

[warm saddle]

How large was zuniceratops

[drifting arch]

I had Stella Angelika Ludwig reach out to me on the topic of Spinosaurus, and apparently there is going to be new information released soon, very exciting!

[fossil ingot]

4.8t

[warm saddle]

A size chart would be helpful

[fluid inlet]

Spino back on top

[steady rock]

does aurorus look more like a amargasaurus or a bajahadasaurus? ( a debate with my friend im having )

[drifting arch]

Oh I 100% vouch that Amargasaurus was the inspiration behind Aurorus.

[steady rock]

alright, tyy

[tough parcel]

It's explicitly said Amarga is the inspo in some promotional material, dunno where i can find it anymore tho

[opaque kayak]

Woah, that is a large gap, but knowing that new material has been discovered from the neotype, that is very interesting

[steady rock]

was it this?

[hallow spear]

It seems to be inspired by Bajadasaurus or Amarga yes

[fluid inlet]

I don’t watch that show but this goes hard

[steady rock]

if you think about it, it kinda predicted amarga/baja had a full/solid sail

[drifting arch]

Bulbapedia confirmed, Aurorus is indeed based off of Amargasaurus!

[steady rock]

was baja even discovered by then?
x and y come out 2013, but im pretty sure gamefreak starts desigining pokemon around 2011

[drifting arch]

I am honestly absolutely excited that new material concerning the function of Spinosaurus's habitat and body structure is going to be presented soon. I can't wait to see if they have more robust information concerning the Spinosaurus's sail!

[drifting arch]

Someone took the fossil pokemon and made a side-by-side comparison of the prehistoric creatures the pokemon were based off of. That's very cool!

[tough parcel]

Yea I think that and/or a temporary exhibit a year or so ago

[steady rock]

whats the most accurate pokefossil to their irl counterpart?

[warped peak]

Lileep, Tirtouga or Cranidos

[small geyser]

Afaik Baja was discovered in the early 2010's but wasn't described until the end of the decade.

[steady rock]

it wasnt?? im actually suprised by that

[wind prairie]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kNlKEK

[balmy oyster]

Gorgeous

[steady rock]

whats happening to them? ToT

[wind prairie]

wdym, they're just flying

[steady rock]

oh i know, it was just the lack of the heads that threw me, then i remember its probably due to distant and to save time in illustration

[kindred night]

The recent mega leak showed that Tyrunt at the very least was already considered for Gen 5

[steady rock]

ooh okay

[fluid inlet]

I guess there was no one on site at paleofest to report about Paul Sereno “new” discoveries?

[opaque kayak]

Maybe you can ask in the paleostream server. I sent the thing in Dms

[spice snow]

It could solo T. Rex

[frigid delta]

[balmy oyster]

The two Galeamopus’s

[frigid delta]

"we are the Galeamopus duo!" ahh 💀🙏💔

[balmy oyster]

Hayi was hidden in storage for a hundred years somewhere

[drifting arch]

I would probably say Tirtouga

[manic grail]

Or anorith

[warped peak]

Anorith isn't bad. But Cranidos and Tirtouga both are normal animals lol

[hasty glen]

To be fair ancient turtles were also pretty much just regular animals

[warped peak]

And Tirtouga is a regular turtle

[frigid delta]

wasn't Tirtouga baby Archelon?

[hasty glen]

An ancient regular turtle, which would've been accurate to smaller turtles of the past

[warped peak]

Sea turtle tbf

[round hedge]

So it's ok to own ostritches in Australia then ?

Those are like, the most dangerous big birds (aside from casowaries ig)

[zealous ravine]

What?

[fluid inlet]

lol

[frigid delta]

he got baked 💔

[zealous ravine]

One: that has nothing to do with my message. Two: Ostritches don’t even live in Australia lmao

[round hedge]

Emus, sry, emus, not ostritches

Look, I'm tired, it's 6:30 something in my time zone, and i have a Sore throat that won't gobaway no matter how much hot lemon tea i drink

(I'm in pain )

But even then, i have no excuse, i was just born an idiot

[frigid delta]

oh wait it's actually a hot mud

[radiant solstice]

big news guys

Spino will in fact be getting another nerf in 2025

[umbral kite]

or a buff

[radiant solstice]

100% nerf

[warm saddle]

confirmed nerf?

[radiant solstice]

nah 99.9% that 0.1% probably won’t happen

[steady rock]

Explain

[radiant solstice]

it will now most likely be confirmed to sink to the bottom of the lake or river like a rock

[frigid delta]

instant drowning go brrr

[radiant solstice]

yt shorts ahh reply🥀✌️

[steady rock]

Hippo-core

[halcyon cobalt]

using nerf / buff in any serious conversation 🥀

[radiant solstice]

“🥀” in a “🪫” era🪫🪫🪫🪫

[fluid inlet]

lol

[frigid delta]

this is why i love paleo chat

[fluid inlet]

🩳🚌 🏝️👦

[velvet burrow]

TierZoo has truly done irreparable damage to the zoology/paleontology community 💔

[warped peak]

TierZoo is a neat idea but people take it too seriously. I unironically use it for mod idea references

[serene moat]

What are the largest and average sizes for triceratops is there any skeletal image for the largest?

[frigid delta]

this'll do

[snow python]

How long and heavy was Big John?

[brave nova]

He’s about the same size as this one ~8m and likely around 8-9t it seems tho use the skeletal posted prior to this one as it’s more recent

[ionic crescent]

Pot allo is 10.7

[scenic flame]

8-9 meters would be alot heavier

[brave nova]

~5t is always the weight I’ve gotten when I asked falcon about it with this skeletal is use

[scenic flame]

Randomdinos's triceratops skeletal was GDI'd and they scaled various different triceratops specimens based off that GDI

[brave nova]

Ah that’s a lot more recent than what I got mine from. Thanks

[brave nova]

So which weight is right for maximus the 7.3t in the 1 u sent previously or the 7.6 in this one but this one is also missing the horns and frill in the weight?

[scenic flame]

yeah, tmk the frill and horns were removed because the GDI would see it as one big thick structure

[brave nova]

With them added back that would add a decent amount of weight back onto it 500-1000kg atleast I’m guessing?

[scenic flame]

in regards to the size discrepancy, idk tbh
for the horns and frill, probably

[brave nova]

Hmm so putting it ~8t seems fine

[scenic flame]

I would agree, I think if you're speaking on the species as a whole it's better to vaguely round a number, given that GDI's aren't' exact and the small sample size available

maybe more around 7-7.5 tons though

[fossil ingot]

In Theory 7m, but that is likely in a Straight line but we don't know and Random said Big John is kinda bad

[fossil ingot]

The 10t Bulldoze

[fossil ingot]

Thats...surprisingly shorter than I thought

[steady rock]

Oops I meant bulldozer, oh wel

Updated

[brave nova]

Is that CMN 8862?

[fossil ingot]

Yes

"Albertensis"
Who is basically Prorsus
I just call it Bulldozer cause its massive.
Random made the edit and scale too

[brave nova]

So he’s a triceratops prorsus?

[fossil ingot]

Should be yes
Vivid forgot to mention but Random said that the ones in Red are Prorsus iirc

[steady rock]

Do yall like My scaling?

[brave nova]

Ah bet that makes it a lot easier

[brave nova]

Looks good but but I would zoom it out abit to fit them in more

[fossil ingot]

Yup my Memory was right

[fossil ingot]

Heres the Big Lad next to Scotty

And heres the Original Horridus Skeletal next to Scotty

[brave nova]

(I made one with anky aswell)

[tardy dune]

@chrome condor
Ur right

@calm matrix

[chrome condor]

🤯

[tardy dune]

It's believed its bald bc it's more related to the African ableisaurids like drugops than carno

[opaque kayak]

I love the hell creek gang

[tardy dune]

Where my edmontosaurus at tho??

[opaque kayak]

So much to make, and not crap material like kem kem

[brave nova]

Could add him but I would need to resize the whole thing so I just haven’t wanted to lol but if I were to add it I would use this one

[tardy dune]

Guys I got a question

Is the average edmontosaurus bigger than average rex?

Is the x rex edmont specimen bigger than Goliath estimates of like 11 t

[brave nova]

Nah average Rex is bigger. Average Rex would be ~7-8t iirc and then average ed would be ~5-6t iirc

[tardy dune]

What about second question

[brave nova]

No idea about that one

[opaque kayak]

X rex is bigger then goliath, iirc sm like 13-14 tons

[brave nova]

What even is x Rex never heard of that one

[sudden wind]

An hadrosaur tibia and caudal vertebrae iirc

[tardy dune]

Mmm

Research time

@brave nova it's a near fully complete tail of a edmont with estimates being over 15 t n over 15.3 meters

[tardy dune]

Yea bro is huge

[steady rock]

How accurate is the upcoming Camara mod?

[tardy dune]

Looks good I'd sau

[steady rock]

From visuals alone, can yall tell what species it iS?

[tardy dune]

Good amount of bulk, raised tail vertebrae

Supreamis?

[frigid delta]

"We are the Hell Creek Trio, tremble before us!" ahh trios (i love them sm with my whole heart)

[fossil ingot]

X-Rex is 13.3t

[opaque kayak]

Oh damn, so goliath is almost his size

[compact leaf]

it is supremus, it has a few quirks but good overall

[steady rock]

May I ask abt the quirks?

[fossil ingot]

Goliath should be taller given this is how Goliath Looks next to a Shant thats already Larger and Bulkier than X-Rex

[compact leaf]

basically the beak, sauropod beaks are kind of a trend that people ran with when there really isn’t a ton saying it’s actually a beak instead of just extra robust gums

[steady rock]

Oh alright, what popularized sauropod beaks anyways?

[compact leaf]

there was a paper a few years back that found they had something weird going on with their oral tissue, the idea of a beak got mentioned and people kind of ran with it

[tough parcel]

Based on an older skeletal, but I can't recall what would change so

[compact leaf]

the neck would change a bit but that’s kind of it from what I remember

more on the beak thing though, all the paper is really finding is that there’s something more robust about their gum tissue to keep the teeth in place, it can still be covered by perfectly normal lips

[steady rock]

How abt the other Camara mod? 🥰 ( 😨)

[brave nova]

That’s cope not Goliath

Has anyone got a solo skeletal of the x Rex edmont

[tardy dune]

X rex is like shant size

[fossil ingot]

I wrote Goliath instead of Cope
Tho I do have a Comparison of Both scaling Goliath off Cope

[fossil ingot]

Quality goes BRRR but atleast gives the idea

[fossil ingot]

Close enough
Smallest Shant is like 15-16t, X-Rex is 13.3t so close enough go it.
||Rex still mauls it but Edmonto should atleast be able to escape it||

[brave nova]

So what’s the biggest there is for Shant atm?

[fossil ingot]

If we wanna go by a Femur
Like 19t iirc
Otherwise a 15-17t range tmk

[tardy dune]

We only have limited edmontosaurus remains n it is possible edmontosaurus avarage could be as big as x rex imo

[opaque kayak]

Oh it's much smaller, the next largest paleo tmk is like 13 tons

[tardy dune]

I wish for a good edmontosaurus mod...

Bc db ain't it, so oversized and wide, n it's modle ain't the best, such a huge belly n small spine

[brave nova]

They scaled it off pot Rex so yea it’s gonna be bigger

[tardy dune]

Yea but even then, it's like shant size

[light osprey]

That’s pretty fair, I mean the Hanson Ranch Bonebed only had like thousands of them. Hardly enough to tell how big it was

[compact leaf]

yeah edmonto is one of the few dinosaurs we can actually get an average for, because there’s literally that many of them

[fossil ingot]

We have
ALOT of Edmontos

All the lads here are Adults

[fossil ingot]

Big Edmonto is based on X-Rex, and X-Rex wasn't thin nor small(still not as Bulky as shant)
POT Bars is around like 14m iirc which is why X-Rex is the size it is, and Looks Bulky cause POT Bars is Thin asf

[fluid inlet]

Where is Willard at lad

[fossil ingot]

Willard is...
Complicated atm.
Its Undescribed, Supposed to be 8.5m("Albertensis" is 8.8m)
But SUPPOSELY has a 1.4m Femur but the lad isn't describe so its hard to get a proper size of it.
If the Femur is indeed 1.4m then we can get the 9m lad from the Chart otherwise its kinda hard

But idk, Toro still better

[steady rock]

Nedoceratops solos

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/CD8NEvc8Cn4?si=Vi1XumgJX007djGK

[umbral kite]

but would they realky fight each other

[umbral kite]

it looks like x rex is that .08% of the population that grew larger than normal

[terse python]

convince me otherwise 😎

[lavish frigate]

I audibly went “oooooh I love him” when I saw this image

[ancient crystal]

I mean, we probably can, but does anyone really want to?

[balmy oyster]

This thing would be in immense pain and die in hours

[terse python]

counter argument: floof

[opaque kayak]

Old paleonerd scares me

[stiff osprey]

Spinosaurus: legs can barely support the animal as it is

2015-2018 artists: let's give it 3 extra tons of fat for no reason

[warped peak]

Spinofaarus arise

[stiff osprey]

(It's me, I was 2015-2018 artists)

[primal ice]

Guys wait until next spino paper comes out spino get feathers grahhh

[warped peak]

Isn't it reasonable to assume Spino had some degree of feathers due to it being a basal trait to not just theropod dinosaurs, but potentially Archosauria as a whole?

[primal ice]

May be but I honestly don't touch spino because reason we all know but may be idk.

[scenic flame]

feathers or "protofeathers" being a trait basal to Ornithodira is a lukewarm take at the very least

[stiff osprey]

any dinosaur could have a vestigial degree of feathers but I wouldn't count on them being noticeable from a distance

[warped peak]

Give Spino's the Thalassodromeus feathered crest, but on the tip of the sail instead of on the crest

[primal ice]

Ya tbh spino could have feathers but due to it being probably warmer area around it back then I honestly don't think it but a feather spino would be cool to someone get a paleoart of a feathered spino

[warped peak]

$5 says Spino's eventual arms will have quill knobs from feathers purely to messs with our beliefs on Spinosaurines

[stiff osprey]

The humble concavenator

[primal ice]

Tbh if I've picture spino having feathers I think be like a duck

[warped peak]

All points no quills?

[primal ice]

Grahhh beautiful feathered spino art

[fluid inlet]

does anyone got a picture of all the material they have found of spinosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

We have basically the whole skeleton at this point

[primal ice]

Ya

[primal ice]

Skinny Boi

[stiff osprey]

and that's just one of the many specimens

[fossil ingot]

This is for the Neotype.
The Holotype has some jaw part

[fluid inlet]

Such a interesting lad,

[opaque kayak]

Apparently it got even more

[primal ice]

No it's a interesting curse just give him few more years a some random paleontologist just jumps up and say no it did not have this

[fossil ingot]

I mean
That skeletal is the Neotype.

Ofc its Likely we will get a new Species with the New Crest Guy that apparently has longer legs

[fluid inlet]

Longer legs always made sense to me

[opaque kayak]

I'm glad neotype got little more skull material

[fossil ingot]

Take in count
The Longer Legs are for another Spino and not Aegyptiacus

[fluid inlet]

New species , nice.

[primal ice]

It's under debate I believe but ya as of now yes

[opaque kayak]

Bizzare animal ngl

[stiff osprey]

scimitarhead is most definitely a new species

[fossil ingot]

3 Specimens
We have Picture of how the skull looks in one of the Lads.
Its Peak

[compact leaf]

the not bahariya but suspiciously like bahariya formation

[fossil ingot]

Imagine this becomes real

[stiff osprey]

the crest is NOT 3.7 feet long 😭

[opaque kayak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farak_Formation Holy crap this formation is crap

[fossil ingot]

Longer Legs
Apparently Teeth like Sucho's
Slightly Longer Legs than Spino
Wider Skull.(supposely wider skull)

Peak

[stiff osprey]

that's the entire skull length, the crest is like 50cm

[opaque kayak]

Peak formation (That's it)

[compact leaf]

there’s apparently new material from other animals in addition to spino

[fossil ingot]

So like around 112.7cm in Skull Length?
Thats Longer than Specimen picture that was allowed to be Shared

[opaque kayak]

Where is this info even coming from?

[fluid inlet]

That’s a 10/10 dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

that pic is correct yes

[opaque kayak]

So real

[fossil ingot]

112.7cm, bro is like.
Almost 3cm above Sucho(also to my knowledge this Picture was allowed to be Shared Before)

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I’ve seen this picture before

[opaque kayak]

Seems kinda small ngl, I love it

Should weigh abt 1.5 tons and 8.5 meters scaling from Spino

[fossil ingot]

Theres 3 Specimens in Theory or atleast more than 1
Thats just one of them.
Maybe the more complete one, who knows.
Hopefully this year we get more info on it

[opaque kayak]

Hopefully actually comes out this year

[fluid inlet]

Best we can do is 10 years from now

[opaque kayak]

Or whatever the giga redescription

[fluid inlet]

Damn I just realized smaller skull than sucho

[umbral kite]

did a new spino just drop?

[lilac hornet]

so we know if the bony crest was just boney or was there also keratin growth?

[warped peak]

Presmably keratin growth

[lilac hornet]

dang so it might have actually been longer than shown, that's wild

[balmy oyster]

Counter counter argument: death

[terse python]

:(

[fluid inlet]

Likely

[spark gate]

This is why I tell people to not get a tattoo of spinosaurus, it will become out of date.

(My first comment in this channel after years)

[serene moat]

Are these accurate weight estimates for trike? Is thr 11k kg the heaviest specimen so far?

[serene moat]

This the one that's 2nd biggest on that list yea?

[fluid inlet]

Willard victims

None of you would survive the Willard era

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Technically Largest Described

[opaque kayak]

Me when Goliath > Willard size

[fossil ingot]

Williars is weird
Undescribed, has alot of sources with different size
One says its 8.5m which is Technically smaller than "Albertensis"
Another says it has a 1.4m femur
Until its proper Described we use "Albertensis"

[fluid inlet]

Iirc the other day @stiff osprey said it would be 9M

[serene moat]

And it's estimated weight is 10t? It doesn't look 10T atleast compared to rex but I'm assuming its cuz that's side view picks I imagine from top or front it looks thick asf

[fossil ingot]

That is IF the 8.5m is Straight Line and not Along the Centra.
Lad is still undescribed
With random sources given other sizes

[scenic flame]

tmk yes, though the 11t one iirc is an awkward one

[fossil ingot]

Trike is Built like a Brick

[serene moat]

Damn, that's actually big asf wth, idk why I thought largest trikes were like 7t, how big is big John in comparison to those ones

[fluid inlet]

Damn trike ugly asf without its crest and horns lol

[stiff osprey]

idk why big john was ever called the largest triceratops it was measured at 7m

[fossil ingot]

Big John is worse tmk.
Bobblehead and Said to be 7m

Bro thought it was Eo Trike

[scenic flame]

was it ever even claimed to be larger than that?

[serene moat]

oh gosh nvm then😭 must be ppl overhyping him then

[stiff osprey]

granted that is 7m straight line but it would not be much more than 7.5m in full

[fossil ingot]

Only Hope is that when it was said 7m is that it was 7m in straight Line and not Along Centra.
Even then bro won't get much bigger

[ancient crystal]

I don't remember where I got this

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops without the filters basically

[spark gate]

Give it ears 👂

[fluid inlet]

Carcha >

[fossil ingot]

The downfall is Crazy

[fluid inlet]

Downfall?

[opaque kayak]

Most complete carch:

[fluid inlet]

Carcha solos , cool name but that’s it.

[opaque kayak]

Kem Kem carcharodontosaurid solos

[fossil ingot]

Got smaller

[spark gate]

https://tenor.com/view/carcharodontosaurus-carcharodontosaurus-ark-ark-gif-27054674

[fluid inlet]

Mapu did?

[spark gate]

Carcha, giga, mapu, acro and titan all look kinda similar

[fossil ingot]

Random's Titan Jumpscare(Random's Titan better to use)

[opaque kayak]

Carch all the material Jumpscare

[fluid inlet]

Get solo’d lad

[spark gate]

Wow carcha has much bigger arms and claws, titans arms are smaller than rexes, that’s saying something.

[opaque kayak]

Give me it's species name and we have a deal

[fossil ingot]

Yes, Largest Lad went from 12.7m and 7.9t to 11.7-12m and 6.5-7t

[fluid inlet]

How did that happen? That’s a huge difference

[fossil ingot]

Seems Mapu's Closest Relative is now Meraxes, which decreased its size.
Liam's Mapu is the best one to use atm which is 11.7m and should be around 6.5t using Random's updated Mapu Chart were a Mapu of same Length as Titan weights Less than Titan.
Also Ignore 9.7t Mapu, its Based on a Weird Scaling iirc

[scenic flame]

mapu being considered closer to meraxes than giga

[fluid inlet]

Damn , Giga just said you was never number #1 not even #2 or 3# 💀

[opaque kayak]

Rex on the goat status as well

[fossil ingot]

If we use Liam's Mapu(Random's Said Liam's Mapu is better than his now)
Titan SHOULD be larger than it by 200kgs
Which is Funny

Making Top

1. Giga
2. Carcha
3. Titan(interchangable with Mapu tbh)
4. Mapu interchangable with Titan).

Tho we gotta see how The Large Meraxes changes things but that Thing won't be coming Anytime soon based on what was said lol.

[fluid inlet]

We coming for that number 1 spot ( carcharodontosaurus)

https://x.com/th_arts_/status/1875060517469061229?s=46

Thiago Luiz (@TH_arts_) on X

Carcharodontosaurus simple animation.
Sounds based on the nostalgic Dinosaur Planet documentary.
made by me in Blender

X · Jan 3, 2025, 6:03 AM

[balmy oyster]

Meraxes gonna mog

[steady rock]

need the most up to date spinosaurus skeletal

im using random's i found on a ...korean? website

[umbral kite]

hey i need reference for a triceratops and trex

[opaque kayak]

This is the most up to date

[opaque kayak]

Actually, not super sure if this version has extra caudals as well, if not then there is this as well

[steady rock]

@stiff osprey im sorry for the ping but is your spino skeletal still the most up to date or is the one bahayria just sent better?

[fossil ingot]

Random does have the Extra Caudals

[steady rock]

so whats their difference?

[fossil ingot]

Random's and Diocles barely have differences.
Main difference is Diocles is 10cm longer.
And that Tail is slightly difference

[steady rock]

oh

[fossil ingot]

Otherwise if you look them from far.
You they are pretty much ALMOST the same

Tho Random does have this edit with a Different Crest and Sail

[opaque kayak]

NGL I wish I had this edit

[balmy oyster]

Horridus & Sue

[umbral kite]

i need for a drawing im working on

[radiant solstice]

google is tweaking

[wind prairie]

imagine saddling up a gallimimus and riding it

[warped peak]

What is more biologically reasonable: Spinosaurus having a feathered crest, or a feathered sail

[wind prairie]

neither but I guess the crest could be an anchor point for some quills

[warped peak]

Oh they're both almost entirely implausible

[hallow spear]

they could not

[steady rock]

wouldnt that be like riding a ostrich which i think counts as animal abuse due to the damage it causes to the animals spine?

[wind prairie]

an ostrich is way smaller and way lighter than this beast

[warped peak]

Which would you think counts as more technically possible

[hallow spear]

Sail, for reasons that camels, bisons etc have extra fur on their humps? i think thats the closest. the crest is keratinised and im not sure if feathers can even form on a structure with a keratin extension like a crest so

[steady rock]

ooh ok

[warped peak]

Alright

I know some Pterosaur crests related to Thalasso have evidence of feathered integument, hence my ask.

[hallow spear]

Do you mean something like Tapejarids?

[warped peak]

Yeah, I don't know a ton on the specifics of it. Was brought up in a passing conversation on Thala with SynchroLight and I have blind faith in him because he's a very rigorous paleontologist

[wind prairie]

galli would probably make a great mount if it cooperated. The only problem is, is it willing?

[hallow spear]

Tapejards have integument found on some specimens of Tapejara(?) that show that the crest supported soft tissue attachments, Im not sure if Thala has evidence for keratin or whether its just soft tissue over the bone

[warped peak]

Anyways Spinosaurs wouldn't. Especially not Scimitar or Irritator.

Wait is Irritator's line crest keratinized?

[scenic flame]

yeah in the case I'm pretty sure Wes is referring to, the feathers were on the 'underside' on the bone support which along with another bone support had a large skin/connective tissue crest between them.
Thal tmk either had no keratin at all pretty much or it was all covered in skin/feathers or something
though the bone texture on thal may tell a more clear story

[warped peak]

I see

[wind prairie]

I wonder if these guys were chill

[fluid inlet]

Prob not

[outer tusk]

why

[wind prairie]

I mean why wouldn't they be

[tough parcel]

Fortunately due to being birds, they could not enter musth

[steady rock]

are a ceratopsians horns made out of ivory?

[scenic flame]

why would they be

[wind prairie]

I mean I'm not saying that they would be
I meant with each other btw

[scenic flame]

I meant it more as that we can't know either way

[wind prairie]

of course
it was just for fun

[scenic flame]

ah, I getcha

[lavish frigate]

Unlike the edmontosaurus that has evolved to become more powerful than ever and joins the mighty Palaeoloxodon with its powerful beast tusks to face the deadliest dinosaur ever the mighty T.rex, even nanotyrannus, edmontosaurus young ally joins the fight

[warped peak]

See that'd be more interesting. Palaeoloxon vs Shant (assuming same size)

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/Wf9gWGafsf8?si=_7I-oUOXBBxNGM8-

That lightning effects … damn but not sure if it legit or not but ain’t the Rex too big

[fluid inlet]

The Rex looks dope tho

[frigid delta]

that Rex looks... small?

[fluid inlet]

No it doesn’t

[frigid delta]

but it is for me-
ah, maybe this'll explain why i said that Rex looks small
(literally haunted by this)

[fluid inlet]

19 tons💀 lmao well ye 19 meters 💀💀💀

[winged latch]

You would bounce around violently, but hey, a flat back

[manic grail]

Who do u guys think would win in a fight ankylosaurus or triceratops?

[manic grail]

Yea i mean in a hypothetical fight

[warped peak]

As Armored as ankylosaurs are, they're smaller and less offensively capable. I'd put the benefit on Triceratops

[stiff osprey]

Anky being so short makes it a really awkward angle for Triceratops to stab it, seems like a difficult fight

but yeah trike would probably win

[steady rock]

would edmonto vs pachyrhino play out the same way it did in march of the dinosaurs?

[compact leaf]

with the average edmonto probably yeah

[stiff osprey]

tbf the average pachyrhinosaurus is like one and a half tons

[zealous ravine]

Working on a bust of P. amitabha, still very WIP

[thorn grove]

I've seen videos of elephants with very short and blunted horns that still manage to completely trounce rhinos that appear much better armed than them so I could see an Edmonto just knocking the Pachy over and using its weight to sort of stab it with its hooves

[drifting condor]

Anyone knows what ceratopsian aggron is based off

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I agree it being so low helps it in all kinds of fights

[umbral kite]

for some reason i see it as a small ceratopsian like taco

[drifting condor]

Taco is 6'11...

[umbral kite]

it around 1.6-2.6 feet

Tbh i the info aint really clear on taco

[tough parcel]

Nasutoceratops

[frigid delta]

"seems to be based on a Triceratops and various theropods."
-Aggron's Bulbapedia

[bitter quest]

Anyone have the paper to deinosuchus downsize or link to the information

[zealous ravine]

The big one doesn't seem to have any one inspo, but it does give Nasuto vibes. The little one p clearly seems to be Protoceratops

[native kindle]

aggron the actual Pokémon doesn't really communicate any specific ceratopsian, but yeah that art is fs nasuto

[zealous ravine]

It depends heavily on the species

[steady rock]

why are we getting sent here

[stiff osprey]

you're going to Brazil

[light osprey]

Aw man 🙍‍♂️

[balmy oyster]

TRUE pycno

[fluid inlet]

He’s got long legs

[balmy oyster]

Compared to carnotaurus not as much

[fluid inlet]

I thought carno legs were never found?

[outer tusk]

we do ( parts of it )

[balmy oyster]

Also a really good skeletal of it

[drifting condor]

Would you say the dinosaurs counterpart of a hippo is a amargasaurus?

[floral ivy]

What is that overlapping bone

[warped peak]

No

[balmy oyster]

Nah, amargasaurus doesn’t seem like it’s suited to be a highly aggressive territorial animal

Now this might seem crazy, but I’d honestly place my bets on spinosaurus being more akin to a hippo than anything

[warped peak]

I'd personally bet on Lurdu or another Iguanodont

[balmy oyster]

Lurdu afaik doesn’t really have any proper affinities with being semi aquatic, including other iguanadonts

[compact leaf]

it’s found in a wetland environment that’s the extent of its semi-aquatic adaptations, other than that it’s basically iguanodon but long

[stiff osprey]

Opisthocoelicaudia has been proposed to be semiaquatic, but other than thick limbs doesn't seem to have any adaptations either

[warped peak]

To be fair, Hippos aren't water locked and don't have a ton of obvious adaptations to water either

Spinosaurus would be aquatic yeah, but I don't really think it'd be the closest dino to a Hippo

[stiff osprey]

this is fitting given that Spinosaurus is not water locked and doesn't have a ton of obvious adaptations to water

[balmy oyster]

Why not?

• large bodied animal with short limbs (at least hindlimbs)
• spends majority of time around water despite not being that adapted for a aquatic lifestyle
• most definitely had adaptations for pretty dangerous defense
• while interestingly adapted to water, does not necessarily need to be tied to water in order to survive normally

[warped peak]

To be fair, the one major adaptation Spino has to water is very major

[neon flower]

Idk why I don’t like that 😭 it’s not anything to do with you btw I jus don’t like his true build

[balmy oyster]

Hippo’s also do to an extent, with neutral buoyancy & streamlined bodies with all

@mxley.e tbh fair, pycno’s got some real stocky legs

[neon flower]

Yeah they THICC

[compact leaf]

that’s actually interesting I wonder if anyone has done a density on it

I mean I don’t see it being semi aquatic but most sauropods float pretty well and that tends to be less than ideal

[velvet burrow]

Do we know what were peirosaurids doing?

As in, diet, niche, locomotion, if they were fully terrestrial or still somewhat semiaquatic

[tardy dune]

I missed typed
I was tired, I ment large specimens

[round hedge]

How big is ekrixinatosaurus ?

[tardy dune]

Like the avarage Ed size is 5-6 t
Then u have x rex at like 13 t

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-titans-the-isle-kaperoo-beasts-of-bermuda-gif-25015900

[frigid delta]

overreacting Zebras my beloved
(poor boar)

[fluid inlet]

herbivores attack each other all the time lol

[fluid inlet]

Gotta imagine it went to the promise land, getting kicked by something that much bigger than it.

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-path-of-titans-beasts-of-bermuda-gif-23720633

[snow python]

How long and heavy was carch 12,4m and 8,2t or was it nerfed too?

[stable marlin]

I think Carch weighs less than that on average

[uncut salmon]

You telling me a hippo just decided 'fuck it' and went in the water

[halcyon cobalt]

Second hand embarrassment

[snow python]

Heared it was nerfed to sth like 11,5-11,8m and 6,5-7,4t

[stable sun]

7.5 m

[stable sun]

12.4 m and 8.2 t is accurate, 11.8 m and 7 t is also accurate

[outer tusk]

and I say, "how can you nerfed animal that only has non postcarnial material to it's name"

[stable sun]

There's one specimen. How would you know the average?

[stable marlin]

I said I think. I am not sure what the average is. But if there's only one specimen we wouldn't know the average unfortunately

[fossil ingot]

Its Accurate, 11.8m and 7.6t is also Accurate.

This is what happens when you are just skull parts smh

[outer tusk]

no this is just what happens when you have NO bones assoicated with their body

[stable sun]

Yes

[stable marlin]

Btw which Carcharodontosaurus are we talking about?

[frigid delta]

"nerf" should be Spino instead of Carcha (joke, pls don't attack me Spino fab)

[brave nova]

Ur done

[frigid delta]

yeah i'm cooked

[native kindle]

are mawsonia and rhizodus the largest freshwater fish from their respective time periods?

[stable sun]

there's only one definitive species, Carcharodontosaurus saharicus

[undone rapids]

around 1200 kg and 7.2-7.4 meters

[frigid delta]

"hey BonBon, go get em"
proceeds to throws BonBon at the Trikes (and Eotrike)

[astral spindle]

So all of Carcharodontosaurus weight estimates can be used from 6.94, 7.2,7.6-7.8 all the way to 8.2 tonnes?

[undone rapids]

anything from 6-8 tonnes probably works since we only have carcha's skull

[steady rock]

Is the scaling creect? ( Freddy is 6' )

[stable sun]

It can even be 6 or 9 t

[umbral kite]

bro i cant draw the skull of a triceratops

[ancient crystal]

Tbf it is a weird animal to draw, not really something you think about given its prevalenc, but the more I look at the skeletals the more I see it

[steady rock]

Thoughts? https://x.com/TIME/status/1896962148766527751?t=fQO-8N8fB8fFUBA-g-57lA&s=19

TIME (@TIME) on X

Scientists have bred woolly mice on their journey to bring back the mammoth. https://t.co/95Xlx37Qz8

X · Mar 4, 2025, 4:33 PM

[warped peak]

Boring. Gimme a woolly porcupine

[steady rock]

Is bringing back the woolie mammoth really a good idea?

[fluid inlet]

So they just upped the hair dna and decided to call it a woolly mice

[warped peak]

Considering what woolly means, yes

[umbral kite]

make sense

[compact leaf]

they didn’t up any dna count they turned on a particular gene that’s active in the mammoth genome, they did the same thing for coat color

[fluid inlet]

Are they using crispr? To modify everything ?

I remember when I first heard of crispr, so much potential for a lot of stuff. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/17/blind-mice-regain-eyesight-after-crispr-gene-editing/

[compact leaf]

I would guess probably yeah, there’s other ways to edit a genome but crispr is the easiest

[drifting arch]

That Zebra straight up killed a wild pig

[zealous ravine]

Made some slight tweaks, almost ready to merge and begin the first detail pass!

[tough parcel]

Psittuah, Taco on that thang

[compact leaf]

you should be crucified for that

[tough parcel]

You people should be thanking Christ that I am who and what I am

[balmy oyster]

Adorable

[warped peak]

Don't make me David Peters oxalaia you

[umbral kite]

here your stalmate death it not the most accurate but i tried

[fluid inlet]

Ohhhh took me a second to realize this is in reference to that one picture I sent of the those 2 animals dying in combat 😂

[umbral kite]

yea

[fluid inlet]

Good stuff

[merry current]

Cute mice!

[warped peak]

Anybody know about the reliability of reported 70+ foot long crinoid specimens?

[bitter quest]

Do it

[light osprey]

The charming tundra mouse

[sudden wind]

Never thought I'd ever see CRISPR ever mentioned in this server

[compact leaf]

Ive worked with it I’m surprised I haven’t mentioned it before lol

[drifting condor]

Thought suchomimus would be more akin to a hippo because you know

[steady rock]

never gonna forget when someone tried to convice me in this channel a hippo had a chance against sucho

[umbral kite]

isnt sucho like 5x times bigger

[steady rock]

its 5 tons, i think the biggest hippo is like...4 tons?

[balmy oyster]

It does if it combo’s and has prep time….

[steady rock]

??? this aint the damn vs wiki this real life

[balmy oyster]

wait until the hippo teams with the African bull elephant in musth (tose who nose…..”

[lunar copper]

yeah but if it had prep time

[fluid inlet]

Sarco victim

[drifting condor]

So suchomimus is akin to hippos good or bad take?

[steady rock]

if it had prep time that hippo is finding a new water to chill at

[balmy oyster]

How did you get that out from this conversation

[fluid inlet]

Did they delete all our crispr conversation? Wut lol

[balmy oyster]

Probably, cause offtopic or something

[drifting condor]

Magic

[compact leaf]

it’s still there

[drifting condor]

Also do you think this is a fight?

[steady rock]

no but neither would be hippo vs sucho at all

[native kindle]

[opaque kayak]

Yup they are

[outer tusk]

Carnosaur

[drifting condor]

I'm gonna take that as yes suchomimus is akin to hippopotamuses

[scenic flame]

the only thing they have in common is association with water, nothing else

[frigid delta]

do we even need mammoths back???
like at all???
what abt those critically endangered animals like Vaquitas and others???
just let mammoths go dawg they're done thousands years ago 😔

[drifting condor]

So then what's hippos dinosaurs counterpart

[scenic flame]

nothing really

[frigid delta]

ankylosaurids (?)

[warped peak]

Mammals often aren't analogues to dinosaurs in any way because mammals are really weird compared to literally everything else ever

[manic grail]

This picture kinda reminds me of "🤓"

[south raptor]

Could someone show me an accurate depiction of a Maip skull?

[stable sun]

It has no skull material

[drifting condor]

Then what's suchomimus modern counterpart

Nothing?

[stiff osprey]

a big heron or something

[zealous ravine]

Suchomimus’ bones are less dense than Spino and Bary, so it was likely pretty terrestrial

[zealous ravine]

I find it hilarious how there was a great analogue to therizinosaurs that went extinct less than a million years ago

[warped peak]

I like how of all the stupid exceptions, it's damn THERIZINOSAURS

[umbral kite]

who punched his face 😭

[outer tusk]

Erosion

[drifting condor]

That's every spinosaurids thing
Happy Now?!?!