paleontology

[fossil ingot]

PT Apato here

[drifting arch]

I think I put comments on the Section Tabs of the Header to explain things a bit for people viewing, but yes, everything written down is from research, not from the game itself. I could've gone off the game itself, but since most of the roster is unknown, and I wanted to provide some kind of info, I decided to go off of what was available from website sources instead. Thank you for pointing out what I was missing though, I made the corrections ^^

[mortal fossil]

The apex version of a herbivore would be “keystone” and even then it’s not a comparable term

No healthy ecosystem has herbivores where adults aren’t hunted at least on occasion

Mammals in Africa are a special case because technically what hunted stuff like there were humans or humans made them extinct

The other factor why elephants or stuff don’t have natural predators is like unlike reptiles like sauropods, elephants have a built-in kill-switch

They die when their last tooth grinds out and stop growing with age

Sauropods once again are not having this issue, getting stronger with size and being physically peak even during their elderly age

[fossil ingot]

Here if you prefer Spikeless apato

[mortal fossil]

Just throwing it out here before we get to the whole “there are herbivores that aren’t hunted as adults”

There really aren’t, it doesn’t work like that

Rare sure
Never, no

Also PT Apato isn’t Apato, it’s an upsized bronto

Same problem Jurassic Park has

Using Giraffatitan and naming it Brachiosaurus

PT uses Brontosaurus but used the “marketable” name

[fluid inlet]

Built in kill switch is crazy, so much for millions of years of evolution 💀

[grizzled ledge]

give me this instead of alb

[fossil ingot]

For your information
During PT Apato's Creation time which was years Ago.
The Specimen itself was still under Apato, so it was fine
That now said Specimen is no Longer Apato is fine and not PT's Fault, Model Wise is Still Apato and was modeled after Apato just using Maximum Size for the time

[fluid inlet]

Whatever happened to the guy that said he was going to school you on those allosaurids or whatever

[drifting arch]

I thought so as well, but a lot of sites refer to herbivores that didn’t have known predators as adults to being an Apex.

[fossil ingot]

Jesus?
I am used to that guy saying that lol

[mortal fossil]

No, absolutely not
They used the proportions of Brontosaurus which has been valid since like 2018 or 2020 or something

The PT Apato wasn’t getting progress until like last year

They used a Brontosaurus excelsus anatomy on an Apatosaurus ajax

Not to mention the neck osteoderms are a for Bronto and not Apato

[stiff osprey]

Most animals have a natural mechanism of population control other than predators, even crocs which people think ''grow forever'' actually functionally stop growing past a certain age and even lose the ability to regrow teeth eventually. The same was certainly true of sauropods, they did not continue at peak health forever after reaching full size

[fossil ingot]

Then again idk why that is even Relevant, I was just pointing out he forgot to Puts PT's Name on the Apato's Part.
What does the Specimen not been apato anymore have to go on this😭

[fluid inlet]

Happens to everything, we call that old age where I’m from.

[drifting arch]

Oh yeah, I was happy to see a lot of sites referring to Majungasaurus as an Apex because of its particularly cunning and versatile hunting skills. Underdogs get love too ^^

[mortal fossil]

That is true, they do falter after a certain age, just way slower than mammals and way less drastic

[fluid inlet]

You’d love anomalocaris.

[drifting arch]

I do appreciate this help and don’t take it negatively at all! If you see anything else missing I’ll happily make the corrections

[fossil ingot]

1. Apato has Models of like 2-3 years Ago😭
2. Base Sub for Apato is not even Ajax, its Louisae
3. All PT Apato had of "Progress"
   Was simply been worked on so it could be playable, we knew of its Model way long ago before that.
   The Neck Osteoderms are tmk not Bronto Exclusive definietly

[drifting arch]

Anomalocaris is one of my favorite Cambrian hunters actually! I believe I snuck it on my list….

[fossil ingot]

Either way thats Irrelevant at this Point
The Mod is Apato, its been Apato for Ages
Size wise is Huge cause the Specimen it was based off at the time was Under Apato and not Bronto
Thats it, no point in even discussing this here
You can disagree or whatever tbh, won't change a thing

[mortal fossil]

Majungasaurus is not an underdog whatsoever, it gets way too much media attention and has the second most media coverage after Carnotaurus despite being one of the less remarkable abelisaurs

Noone talks about Skorpiovenator, Kryptops, Abelisaurus itself (despite being the biggest abelisaur other than the Kenyan giant), Rajasaurus

All are equal size, bigger or just outright just better apex predators than Majunga or weren’t technically apex but contested with actual monstrous predators

If anything Majunga is criminally overrated

Doesn’t help that Chaos Theory used it and made it bigger than Carnotaurus when they could use a bigger abelisaur for that

[fluid inlet]

Na no dinosaur is overrated, let’s not talk like that. Sure some get more love than others but that doesn’t make them overrated.

[fossil ingot]

Abelisaurus isn't even Larger than Carno, Pycno or even Majunga itself.
Well technically same size as Majunga
Majunga is just a Sausage with Short Legs

[mortal fossil]

It absolutely does make a dinosaur overrated when it gets media clout it doesn’t deserve or people give it attributes it didn’t have

[drifting arch]

That’s right, we’re here to solely love all our prehistoric species, even if that means some get more attention then others, the point is to discuss the creatures we’re passionate about, be nerdy, educate, and have fun ^^

[fluid inlet]

Yep! Tyrannosaurus rex gets thrown all over the place, and even if I find it annoying sometimes I will never doubt its greatness or call it overrated. A lot of dinosaur content coming out that will feature new dinosaurs, let’s just hope it continues to happen!

[mortal fossil]

Ekrixinatosaurus has been given 1600-1800kg estimates

Abelisaurus has 2000-4000kg estimates

This is a chart from like when abelisaurs were all downsized massively

Rajasaurus is put at like 2000-3000kg

Abelisaurus has THIS for a skull, no way it is not bigger than Majunga

[velvet burrow]

That and nothing else
Worth noting that abelis can have some massive bobbleheads, otherwise we'd have 13m Ekrixinatosaurus

[fossil ingot]

JW Carno is Still Bigger than CT Majunga so like not that it matters😭.
Majunga is Remarkable due to been quite the sausage even compared to Others, been basically the Apex Carnivore of its Ecosystem and its Relative Strong Bite for its Size.
Abelisaurids are Cool as Hell, saying Majunga is Overrated is Crazy

[mortal fossil]

Skulls are accurate to measure an animal that we know most of the family members of tho

Yes, all abelisaurs are bobblehead, that doesn’t mean it having a bigger skull doesn’t make it bigger than Majunga

[drifting arch]

I honestly can't wait for Jaekelopterus, a predatory eurypterid being made by Forgotten Era because we'll be finally getting some Cambrian specimens into the game! Ah, I'd love to get some aquatic species that lurked in the shadowy depths. I know some people get a bit squeamish with crustacean/scorpion-like creatures, but I think it'll serve as a great opportunity to get some educational interest into the Cambrian period!

[fossil ingot]

Different Body Proportions exist
Not all Abelisaurids have the same proportions

[fluid inlet]

I will not deal with majungasaurus hate.

[drifting arch]

That is seriously a cute collection Rumble, I love it XD

[mortal fossil]

Majungasaurus IS overrated

We have cannibalism recorded from Coelophysis and other genera so it being thrown around as the cannibal theropod isn’t unique to it

We have strong bite Abelisaurs like Abelisaurus and Raja, isn’t unique there either

A bunch of other end of Cretaceous abelisaurs have short legs, that’s another not unique feature

And literally every single dinosaur media that doesn’t use Carno is using Majunga

Which one has Ekrix, Kryptops, Raja, Skorpio?

It has 4x the media coverage of other abelisaurs

It IS overrated and overrepresented for an average member of its family

[wraith kindle]

Funnily, most cambrian stuff are measured in inches, not meters. So, most anything from there is gonna have to be scaled up just to function as playables.

@fossil ingot Bobblehead eo

[fossil ingot]

4T Abelisaurus😭
Bro thinks he is Pete III Size

[fluid inlet]

I will check out , before I crash out.

[velvet burrow]

Where Llukalkan at

[mortal fossil]

The rock hard god of [BANNED]

Best abelisaur for real

[wraith kindle]

Isnt majung the cerato sized carnosaur? Or am i thinking of carnotaurus itself?

[fossil ingot]

I mean
That doesn't make Majunga overrated???
Been Popular is Overrated now😭

@wraith kindle its heavier and longer than Cera
Similar Height cause Sausage moment

[drifting arch]

Oh really? I didn't realize that was an issue with implementing prehistoric life into the Path of Titans game...I wonder if that means the Cambrian specimens like Jakelopterus would be moved to a mid-tier then?

[opaque kayak]

Majunga is hilariously shaped

[velvet burrow]

Probably one of the most (few) unique abelis because of it's presumedly unusual hearing
Honestly where Bajo de la Carpa formation rep at?

[fluid inlet]

We in 2025 and people are hating on majungasaurus, what happened to this thing of ours?!

[mortal fossil]

It has artificially inflated popularity so

Yeah it is overrated on top of being popular

Also isn’t Jakekopterus like 2-3 meters anyway

So it’s at least a 2 slot

[fossil ingot]

How is 2-3m a 2 slot😭
Deinon 2 slot real

[wraith kindle]

I mean height wise.

@drifting arch Its not an issue per se if they dont mind upscaling it.

[drifting arch]

Ah ok, I understand now, thank you for the clarification ^^'

[velvet burrow]

Ngl Majungasaurus and Carnotaurus being the only representatives of abelisauridae ever is certainly not disco so i get the hate

[mortal fossil]

Isn’t Thal 2 slot

Also I was thinking how Achillo is 2 slot with 350kg and isn’t Jakel like 150kg

It’s bigger than Deinon

[fluid inlet]

Majungasaurus appreciation post.

[fossil ingot]

Height wise?
Majunga and Cera are similar, both are rather short legged but tmk Majunga is proportionally even more short legged

@mortal fossil Achillo is a 3 slot and Upsized to Cera Size

[wraith kindle]

Unusual hearing in what way?

On iphone right now, so, cant be arsed to search.

[small geyser]

Imagine hating an animal.

[drifting arch]

I adore artwork representing our favorite prehistoric species when it's depicting a more natural setting, I just love the little details honestly, it's so wholesome for me.

[drifting arch]

Imagine being epic for having a Spyro pfp (sorry for the off topic bit there but that was my childhood so I had to take a moment to appreciate that, and also A+ for the name referencing one of the best legendaries in Pokemon!) Back to 'Paleontology' though, I think it's perfectly fine for any prehistoric creature to get as much representation as people desire, because the interest promotes educational awareness.

[mortal fossil]

You really don’t make the case any better by spamming the by far worst Majunga representation in media

Can’t even hunt a tiny dog rat

[fluid inlet]

Okay negative Nancy 😒

[mortal fossil]

Now that’s an artwork I can appreciate tho

[opaque kayak]

Bro they capping on the GOAT of JW the game

[drifting arch]

I can't wait for Majungasaurus to become active in modded communities, ah my heart! It's such an exciting time honestly where we have a game that allows the modding community to make such fantastic representations of prehistoric lifeforms we loved as kids all the way to adulthood. The nostalgia is so peak.

[velvet burrow]

Air filled sinus in the middle ear, not seen in any other abelisaurids, that's a possible indicator of a keener sense of hearing, on par or superior to modern day crocodiles
I'd like to have access to the description to check it ngl

[fossil ingot]

Coolest Sausage

[fluid inlet]

Yall think the Kenyan giant will snatch all the popularity of abelisaurids once a paper drops for it

[drifting arch]

That's actually very intriguing, I wonder if it was a more nocturnal hunter due to the keener senses?

[fluid inlet]

Gabriel is a fantastic artist. I’m not a fan of his sauropods but everything else is top stuff.

[fossil ingot]

WOTG Majunga my Beloved

[mortal fossil]

Do you mean Rex with a reskin?

[opaque kayak]

How dare you, bro will call meg with ichthyosaur reskin

[wind prairie]

the majunga was confused it's not stupid

[wraith kindle]

Well it evolved, so clearly it could survive just fine.

[marsh tapir]

Let us please remain polite and respectful while interacting on this server. #rules

[manic grail]

Mosquitoes:

[wind prairie]

wait what happened

[fluid inlet]

You know what you got a point 🤣

[marsh tapir]

Any concerns regarding moderation and rule enforcement should be redirected to @feral crane and not be discussed in this channel, also.

[fossil ingot]

Peak Family right here

[mortal fossil]

Dude
I wasn’t referencing the irl animal

I just said the media representation in that show was terrible

Also Majunga didn’t evolve, it became extinct at 66 million years ago since it became a chalk outline with the rest of the non-avian dinosaurs at the K-T extinction

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus is the goat even if he a theropod he the goat

[wraith kindle]

Rejecting evolution in the paleontology channel are we?

[manic grail]

My favourites

[restive crag]

Might have a disconnect because you said “peak family” and yet didn’t show carcharodontosauridae?

[fossil ingot]

We love the Short Legged guy

[outer tusk]

wha tare we talking about

[restive crag]

Finished version, Meraxes gigas holotype

[fossil ingot]

I have no updated chart of the fam sadly.
Just the one before Giga new recon spawned.
Dentary Giga been in here ruins my mod

[wraith kindle]

Whats not to like about a squat bulldog sausage of a dino?

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops is everywhere in paleo media , do you feel that same way about trike?

[marsh tapir]

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[fluid inlet]

Parrot we ain’t arguing we more debating than arguing, I don’t see the issue.

[drifting arch]

Oh yeah, wasn't there a fossil bed discovered of 7-8 members of Carcharodontosauridae?

[marsh tapir]

This would also not be ideal channel to request clarification on rule enforcement. Should you have questions or concerns, please refer to @feral crane

[fluid inlet]

Everyone just drop it before we get 10 minute cool down lol

[wraith kindle]

In general, yeah, there can be over representation, theres all kinds of weird stuff out there for sure.

@mortal fossil ok. Id like to make more of a post but the moderator would smack the post if i do.

[mortal fossil]

Also no, I don’t feel like that about Triceratops. Cool animal

My only wish is we got Torosaurus and Titanoceratops in media more often

[gray zealot]

trike kinda earned it i think its the difference
i believe a dinosaur can be over-represented if it shows up commonly but doesn't bring anything really new other than "Well its similar to _ but different" while Trike does have a lot to offer

[wraith kindle]

Torosaurus is pretty well known? At least to me.

[velvet burrow]

I do, honestly
Actually Triceratops might be an even worse case ngl

[restive crag]

Tbf we don’t even know what Titanoceratops is for sure yet lol

[sullen cairn]

First abelisaur hater in this channel and its poor majunagsaurus of all things

[fluid inlet]

Well surely you feel the same way about T. rex then?

[gray zealot]

gonna hate Abelisaurs til we get a Cainesaur. smells like bias to me, paleontologists

[velvet burrow]

Yes.

[restive crag]

@sullen cairn can you make a Spectrovenator osteology for me please

[drifting arch]

Unfortunatly not-so-much for me. I didn't even know about Eotriceratops, Pentaceratops, Styracosaurus, or Albertoceratops until I joined Path of Titans. I only knew about Nasutoceratops from JWE, and Pachyrhinosaurus from Ark Survival Evolved. It's why I ask so many questions on here.

[mortal fossil]

Yes
Make it like super obscure and confusing

Have it try to infiltrate Torosaurus and Pentaceratops herds then eat their young because omnivore Ceratopsian hypothesis

TitanAMOGUS

[fluid inlet]

That’s fair as long as there is consistency in your/y’all’s logic.

[sullen cairn]

I wish

[restive crag]

Making my Meraxes into Tameryraptor tonight, it’s about to be unfathomably aesthetic

[sullen cairn]

tbf abelisaurus is larger than like every majungasaurus specimen that isn’t a skull roof
However this is largely because most majungasaurus specimens are kinda small not because abelisaurus is 3t

[velvet burrow]

Did Abelisaurus and Aerosteon come from the same strata and time stamp? I don't find anything about their stratigraphy

[wraith kindle]

Lol

[sullen cairn]

Abelisaurids may or may not be aerosteon it’s that or Allen but nobody agrees

[fluid inlet]

Does anyone got a solid reconstruction on austroposedion

[opaque kayak]

I'm amazed by how 3 spinosaurs managed to get past the megatheropod threshold (5 tons)

[mortal fossil]

I am talking about media representation and public perception

We are all dinosaur nerds here, but my opinion on certain dinosaurs being over or underrated comes from what they bring to the table AND them as an animal

My logic and reasoning is entirely consistent there

Triceratops or T-Rex earnt their place by being the biggest in their family and being really unique

While I will say Majunga or Sucho is overrepresented and overrated because they bring nothing to the table exclusively unique to them while continuously gatekeeping other genera that do

We barely or not at all see Rajasaurus or Irritator / Ichthyovenator because of those 2

Meanwhile we have Sinoceratops of Tarbosaurus in media despite Rex or Trike

[velvet burrow]

Would be crazy if the entirety of abelisauridae was synonymized with Aerosteon ngl

[restive crag]

We need to see more Ostafrikasaurus in media (No we don’t!!!)

[wraith kindle]

I could have sworn I saw a something Poseidon in here, don’t know if it was austro.

[sullen cairn]

I meant anacleto

[mortal fossil]

Aerosteon lived with Acusaurus

I don’t remember what theropod Abelisaurus lived with right now

[fluid inlet]

Might of been the much more popular Sauroposedion from Texas

[velvet burrow]

Ngl abelisaurid and megaraptoran beef in South America is extremely overlooked yet a crazy concept, i want to see more of that in media

[drifting arch]

Trying to decide if I should add Monolophosaurus to my Google Sheet list, as its the only Tetanurae Clade representation atm, but Primordial Tyrants has it on the backlog

[sullen cairn]

Tbf I’m kinda okay with majungasaurus gatekeeping guemesia from paleomedia

[wraith kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanurae uhm, it includes most theropods…

[mortal fossil]

Yes but it’s a handful of dubious teeth hovering in place in a barely visible ghost body vaguely resembling a family member of the currently consensus family it belongs to

Gh-Ostafrikasaurus

The sequel to Ghost Shark!

[velvet burrow]

Abelisaurus may've been a contemprary to Aerosteon and Aucasaurus if it came from Anacleto, or a contemporary to Niebla and Quilmesaurus if it came from Allen (and by extention i think Carnotaurus and Maip?)

[mortal fossil]

The only good thing about Majunga being overrated is that it made Pycno have exactly zero media coverage other than PoT

Keep it like that

Majunga I just casually dislike
Pycno I passionately hate

Bro is 8 barely diagnostic bones we can’t even agree on a size let alone how it looked like

[drifting arch]

Sorry let me re-specify my dilemma. There's a lot of creatures that branch off into SuperFamilies, Families, or something other then a Clade. Monolophosaurus is primarily established just inside the Tetanurae Clade without a branching as far as I can see, so that's why I was like "do I slide it in when there's others who have more specified groups, or do I just say "f it" and slap it in"

[fluid inlet]

Kenyan giant is going to end this reign whenever it gets its paper released could be 10 years from now lol

[sullen cairn]

In pycno’s defense it’s objectively better than 90% of new abelisaurs in the past 8 years

[mortal fossil]

I loved the Amazing Dino World Maip vs Carnotaurus even if they made Maip a bit too Indoraptor

It was extremely fun to watch

[tough parcel]

Kenyan Giant fans when I tell them to stop talking

[mortal fossil]

I wholeheartedly and vehemently disagree

We had amazing discoveries like Llukalkan, Spectrovenator, etc

Pycno and Thanos are the trash of the family

Handful of overrated bone dust, both of them

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skurt-prata-talking-edsclaw-gif-22012890

[sullen cairn]

Yeah those two and Koleken and Koleken loses points for being promoted as a “nearly complete skeleton” or whatever
Pycno also gets bonus points for being big

[gray zealot]

Thanos
Dust
this whole paleontology thing is staged...

[wraith kindle]

It seems to be a really basal member of the group, so, it’s unclear where it goes. Recent ones have placed it as a basal Carnosauria or Allosauridae. There’s going to be ones that don’t quite fit or get moved around a lot, so, just ask I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolophosaurus

[drifting arch]

oh well, which classification do you think I should put it under in your personal opinion? I'm open to suggestions to make my sheet more concise.

[mortal fossil]

Koleken is great imo
Not complete by any means but complete enough to know stuff about it

Pycno being big is why if loses points because it went from 4.2 tons to 2.5 tons and at this point I am confident it’s like

When it was first discovered they said barely bigger than Carnotaurus

I think it’s either going to turn out being the same size or we find a bigger Carno

Or it gets lumped with Carno or Abel

Which is something I REALLY want

[wraith kindle]

Well, how important is the cladistics to the sheet? Like if it’s not important to decision making, or only a bit, you could put it as basal tetanurae, if it’s more important, you could put it as basal Carnosaurs or Allosauridae, I don’t know which of the two is correct here, I haven’t done a deep dive on it.

[sullen cairn]

why would you lump pycno with carni or abeli that'd make 2/3rds of SA abelisaurs invalid

[mortal fossil]

I am a professional Pycno hater and I wear that medal proudly

It’s another dinosaur that only got media attention whatsoever because it’s from Brazil

Somehow the most unremarkable animals get all the attention just from being from Brazil

Meanwhile Irritator got so little despite being from Brazil and actually being cool

Or Santanaraptor

HOW COULD YOU NOT LOVE SANTA BUT DINO

[drifting arch]

I would like for my Path of Titan mod directory to be accurate to some degree, but really I put the classifications purely for educational purposes so that viewers have an interest in groupings.

[sullen cairn]

on the contrary people only care about pycno because its in pot because before then the only people who cared about it were brazilians (who only cared about it after grillo and delcourt)

[mortal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[drifting arch]

I care about Pycno because its simply an awesome and unique member of its Clade, and I absolutely love what Alderon Games did with its design. The calls, abilities, all of it; it offers a great perspective into how that dinosaur could've possibly operated amongst other carnivorous rivals. It's a great specimen.

[sullen cairn]

tbf i wouldn't really call pycno very unique outside being big which is of moderate interest given 75% of abelisaurs are like 4-6m

[velvet burrow]

Because it's in PoT but as the carno at home

[wraith kindle]

Could ask for second opinions? It’s one of those basal animals whose affinities are unclear, it’s been moved from Carnosaurs to Spinosauridae to being basal Allosauridae.

[sullen cairn]

and that it somehow continues to be substantially larger than any abelisaurs from argentina in spite of the ratio of brazilian-argentine abelisaurs being like 1:7

[mortal fossil]

I yet to see Suchomimus have a verifiable size estimate that actually puts it at 5 tons

All the 5 tons Sucho estimates I can trace back to The Isle Sucho fan circle and a long outdated paper that put Spino at 21 tons

All the verified Sucho estimates are like 3600-4200 kg

[drifting arch]

Its unique not because of its stature, but because it has intriguing vocalizations, a very robust frog-like sound, colorful oral interior, which could imply several things from a anatomical standpoint. It could imply a diet that makes it capable of ignoring venom to some degree. There's all kinds of factors involved with species, and I love how that is brought forward with Alderon Games, because they do take those little details into consideration. Pycno is very unique.

[tough parcel]

Recent skeletal by Dan Folkes incorporating the “recent” Sereno paper with a few Sucho bone scans

[drifting arch]

Oh I see that Primordial Tyrants is working on Shantungosaurus! Not going to lie, even if its not 100% accurate, I hope they double its size compared to Barsboldia. Make a big beefy Brahman Edmontosaurini.

[mortal fossil]

You really cannot say it is unique at all

We don’t even know how it looks like, how could you say it is unique when if has only generic parts of its body preserved

That’s just wrong

[sullen cairn]

i think he was talking about how they made it unique in-game

[fluid inlet]

Being big is unique enough,

[opaque kayak]

Ichthyosaurs be like:

[mortal fossil]

Dolphins if they ate at McDonald’s

(I love Shasta, Cymbo and Ichthyotitan they are chubby and cuddly)

[sullen cairn]

being big is also a diagnostic character (pycnonemosaurus adamantinaensis et al)

[drifting arch]

Thank you for the feedback, I went ahead and put it under Allosauridae after cross-referencing the data on it. It might make it easier for viewers honestly then to keep it under just Tetanurae.

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/peak4651/status/1887187984975602053?s=46 big

Jessica bababi 🍒 (Commission Open) (@Peak4651) on X

The Biggest Apatosaurinae OMNH 1331 , the giant apatosaurinae ( Brontosaurus ? ) from Oklahoma , USA 🇺🇸🦕
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#OMNH1331 #Apatosaurinae #Diplodocidae #Sauropod

X · Feb 5, 2025, 5:14 PM

[tough parcel]

Danison et al.

[mortal fossil]

I hate Shoni tho
Too fat for my taste and I absolutely detest people calling it sEa bLimP

But I love most Ichthyosaurs

[opaque kayak]

TBF it got thinned down a LOT recently (upper is shoni, lower is shasta)

[velvet burrow]

Unusual thing to say about the one playable that does some extremely blatant identity stealing because the devs thought it wouldn't be aappealing enough to casuals and TI refugees if it wasn't carno or something like that

[mortal fossil]

I know

I just think Shasta and Ichthyotitan just look better with better names

Shoni’s pot belly is just ugly

It looks like it just goes to Oktoberfest daily

[wraith kindle]

Shasta is a sea cow of an icthyosaur, come on.

[opaque kayak]

What's funny is that they have been getting massively downsized to insanely smaller sizes, and yet, has somehow managed to remain one of the biggest animals of all time. Cymbo from 17.5 meters and 45 tons to 14 meters and 8 tons, Shoni from 16 meters and 40 tons to 16 meters and 25 tons, Shasta from 21 meters and 80 tons to 18.5 meters and 40 tons, then again to 17.5 meters and 26 tons, ichthyotitan from 25 meters and 100 tons to 21 meters and 37 tons, and th humougous, and ridiculously fragmentary aust colossus from 35 meters and 279 tons to 31 meters and 110 tons. (Granted the last two are absolutely enormous, but knowing how frag the somewhat complete ichthyosaur is like 1/4th the max sperm whale size)

[fluid inlet]

Vanessa hates a lot of stuff I reckon lol

[wraith kindle]

lol…..

I think Shonis potbelly make it interesting and different from other ichthyosaurs.

[mortal fossil]

I am picky about my dinosaurs and other prehistoric fauna that is correct

Tbf I often say hate when I am just casually annoyed by them

Like Shoni is ugly but I don’t mind it terribly much

[tough parcel]

Vanessa’s the only one who has shown a good opinion…

[fluid inlet]

Based off what? Lmao

[opaque kayak]

I love shoni, but ig it's ok when people don't find it favorite. I think it's more of a "cursed" type wording then anything

[mortal fossil]

I think Gualicho is liking me being a Pycno hater

[tough parcel]

Based on their opinions aligning with mine 🔥

I too agree fragmentary animals are a bit silly

[wraith kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ichthyosauromorph_genera does anybody else thing Euhrin is undersized in this game? The list says it’s a genre of 6m animals.

[sullen cairn]

i understand the pycno hate becasue pycno is indeed a glupshitto but i don't understand the hating majunga for keeping said glupshitto abelisaurs out of media

[opaque kayak]

It's what happens when we go with the max and not the min. Why we happen to get ichthyosaur masses 3-4 times their weight in reality I love frag scaling, so I don't mind it (that being said aust is pushing it even for me)

[wraith kindle]

Oh yea, PoT Euhrin with sawfish teeth when, that’d be cool.

@falcon.09 What at reaction?

[opaque kayak]

I'm damned by the devs adding pynco and nothing else which is more famous though, I seriously wonder why

[tough parcel]

I think Majungasaurus and Carnotaurus gatekeeping other glupshittos out of media is fine because I’d rather not have 30 more conversation flavors of “Did you know that in Jurassic World: Nuke the World, the Skorpiovenator is too big?”

[sullen cairn]

tbf yeah pycno is kinda the only thing you can use for abelisaur bigger than carno by virtue of being the only named abelisaur bigger than carno

[mortal fossil]

Tbf Majunga > Pycno so it isn’t contradictory either

It’s just I despise Majunga Majunga Majunga and oh more Majunga instead of

In an ideal world it should be

Majunga, Skorpio, Ekrix, Raja, Abel, maybe some more Majunga

That was really my point

[tough parcel]

I think Majunga would be better received if we gave it a light saber for a horn

[sullen cairn]

granted ekrix' description is somewhat terrible and abelisaurus is horrifically unstable
skorp is underrated though

[wraith kindle]

The majunga train didn’t even skip a beat after the ichthyosaur post, lol.

[mortal fossil]

Then they retcon it in Jurassic Galaxy: The Shadows of Dr Wu and make it smaller than Dilophosaurus

[opaque kayak]

I do like majunga not only because it's semi complete and decent, but also because bro is built like a torpedo

[fluid inlet]

They can keep hating majungasaurus ain’t going anywhere.

[drifting arch]

I don't think exposure/size validates or invalidates the uniqueness or qualities of prehistoric lifeforms, nor should the Paleontology Channel focus on putting people down for their likes/interests.

[wraith kindle]

You guys also skipped over my question about whether euhrin is undersized in this game. I don’t know what falcons reaction was about.

[opaque kayak]

I tried fishing them with the ichthyotitan but it failed (maybe the bait was too fragmentary), also iirc euhrin is not undersized.oh wait, apparently game eurhin is smaller

[fluid inlet]

Pycno is definitely cool I agree with you btw 😎

[mortal fossil]

I mean nor do you have the right to say my opinion is invalid based on toxic positivity but go off

I have the right to state my opinion that certain things are a plague in media

[wraith kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurhinosaurus 6.4m specimen in article.

[sullen cairn]

but like is majungasaurus a plague on media

[keen yew]

"The cannibal dinosaur"

[fluid inlet]

I never heard of anyone complain about majungasaurus until this channel, and here I was giving praise to this channel earlier.

[mortal fossil]

Considering it has like 5 major media appearances and people still think it’s the cannibal dinosaur when Coelophysis exists

It is a plague

[opaque kayak]

thx, also, side note since 1.05 delay, I think not many people relate to majung being a cannibal, when the only thing me, a dino nerd, about majunga was JW game startup character

[wraith kindle]

For my part, it’s the first I’d heard of Majung being a cannibal. I think I’ve heard of coleo cannibalism before.

[sullen cairn]

sure but only like 2/5ths of those actually lean on the cannibal thing so i wouldn't really call that a plague

[velvet burrow]

In a truly ideal world we'd actually get a fair amount of mid to small sized abelis such as Rugops, Llukalkan, Genusaurus Niebla or Spectrovenator

[fluid inlet]

Alderon staff in the background.

[velvet burrow]

Probably one of my favorite things about abelisaurids is that they could grow to fill apex predator niches while still being perfectly comfortable and predominant in smaller sizes and lower trophic levels

[opaque kayak]

I wish aquatic was actually playable, maybe they should add in more smaller characters to work with

[sullen cairn]

on that note its kinda amusing how the largest and smallest named abelisaurs are both from brazil

[fossil ingot]

Poor NHMUK

[fluid inlet]

Poor cope https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0190/1942/files/20220510_123512-01_79e08679-503b-46f6-9b9b-39363b9d6f8d_1024x1024.jpg?v=1678928555

[opaque kayak]

NHMUK when it meets the C C P E 💀

[gray zealot]

me when they're all dead already

[fluid inlet]

Willard the apex trike would do some things to poor little cope he could never recover from

[normal folio]

how much teeth did giga have on each sides of the jaw?

[light osprey]

The charming Betasuchus:

[forest minnow]

Are these confirmed sizes do you know the sources?

[opaque kayak]

The size comparison is above

[forest minnow]

Oh sorry I mean where does it show what they weighed

[opaque kayak]

They come from a lot of people, none from studies, but from 3D modeling usually

[forest minnow]

Ahh I see thank so much ^.^

[opaque kayak]

np!

[round hedge]

Which edmonton was bigger, regalis or annectens ?

[sullen cairn]

generally pretty similar in size but exceptionally large annectens were larger than any regalis

[scenic flame]

wait wait wait, I never heard about the ttt part, do you have a link??

[scenic flame]

wdym? PT apato uses Lancian's apatosaurus skeletal

[scenic flame]

yeah that's the one we used (catching up so some messages may be redundant)

[scenic flame]

did Tosha make these? just wanna know the credits if you happen to know

[opaque kayak]

I think a whole lot of people made a lot of estimates iirc, tosha made some, evoin, fabio and apparently others

They are very nice skeletals and models though, whoever made them. They seem like the best models compared to the models we have right now

[scenic flame]

yeah, I assumed Tosha made em since it looks like their wip style

[opaque kayak]

It looks a lot like guanling, apparently it might be, but I'm not sure.

@south mauve did a 3D model on this one, btw, and got 25 tons for it

[scenic flame]

oh awesome, that'll be very nice to have

[opaque kayak]

Me and dino guy have some more upcoming, so I think we can share more soon. Idk if you heard, but evoin did 3D models on the huge two things below and got weights as well https://x.com/Evoincarnate/media

X

X

[scenic flame]

awesome

[opaque kayak]

She got 110 tons for the huge ichthyosaur below

https://x.com/Evoincarnate/status/1806200700742820108/photo/3

‘EWA WAHINE’ONIUHINUI (she/they/it) 🦈 (@Evoincarnate) on X

@Coolio_Art @WandErful_art Mosasaurs are “”””small””” by comparisons with the top macropredators
Not even just the big sharks but ichthyosaurs and whales too
Like
Also even in comparison to Ichthyotitan it’s still looks massive
At 23m (within the published estimates)
It’s just MASSIVE

X · Jun 27, 2024, 5:39 AM

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus histology https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.14186
(technically a few of these already had growth records in d'emic 2023 but still lot more information here)

[scenic flame]

why is this specimen a fatty?

[sullen cairn]

seems like thats just accounting for the change in lag circumference from the medullary cavity to the innermost preserved lag so its possible the intervening lags could've been remodelled but thats just conjecture on my end given i haven't actually read the whole thing yet

[wraith kindle]

You’d expect that from a young one that’s still growing, but the other numbers are in line with that one, except for the first one.

Also, are those all numbers for the same specimen or? I’m not sure why because some of the others only have one entry.

[halcyon cobalt]

these feet good? ( therizinosaurid )

[spice snow]

Therizinosaurids are theropods, so I think they'd also have these folds and scutes in their feet too, since they're really big too

[halcyon cobalt]

I’ll do those when I’m working on the finer details. I’m more asking about the structure and shape

[river plinth]

Second one

[frigid delta]

yoo is that

[river plinth]

I'm pretty sure adult sorapods weren't hunted little to none at all during there life time kinda like elephants today (if you don't count poachers)

[opaque kayak]

https://www.deviantart.com/battlechampion47/journal/The-fall-of-the-bipedal-Spinosaurus-906201392 (It's my goat battlechampion's model colored over)

[fluid inlet]

Stomping theropods out since the Triassic period.

[tulip dove]

The GOATS

[forest minnow]

Does the overall shrinkage also effect Himalayasaurus?

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/sauropod-allosaurus-fight-dinosaurs-roar-gif-17300147

[tacit pine]

Giving out meals since the triassic 😋

[sudden wind]

What are you up to? This chart is from late 2024 and was based on results from GDI estimates (so volume estimates then you apply general density to said volume in order to have a mass).

Also, a larger/longer skull doesn't even imply a larger animal as these have different proportions. Also iirc the largest specimen (MNHN.MAJ 1 (God I wish I were a volunteer and be allowed to check this fella myself as I live nearby Paris)) is a skull fragment (prefrontal and frontal) it's probably larger than the largest complete skull, which is already like 60-70 cm. Abel skull is estimated, as it is incomplete, at 86cm so they aren't even that far.

[frigid delta]

what abt this kind of posture now? (from Twt i lost the link tho)

[sullen cairn]

tbh I’m just happy to see an abelisaurus fan in this day and age no matter how they live and die by gsp’s most questionable estimates

[tacit pine]

Didnt see the edit but it does look better

[sudden wind]

Kryptops can rot in the hole it belongs to. Rajasaurus was shown in Prehistoric Planet, which is quite of a popular TV show. Ekrixinatosaurus and Skorpiovenator are unfortunately underrated within general public but quite appreciated among dinosaur nerds. Tho Ekrix is quite a$$ when it comes to its remains (still decent enough but there is not a lot of data about it).

[sullen cairn]

The other thing with abelisaurs is that generally skull height follows body length much better than skull length which in abelisaurus really isn’t even that much taller than aucasaurus

[sudden wind]

Oh I myself love Abelisaurus. It's the less ugly Abelisaur out there so it's my favorite.

[ripe walrus]

I wish this was the spino design for the film but either way im happy about Spinosaurus returning even tho its not the jp3 one

[sullen cairn]

curiously abelisaurus also has a shorter skull roof than carnotaurus in spite of the fact carnotaurus is somewhat smaller than 3t as well

[frigid delta]

"One whose name will bear its entire family's name" (Abelisaurid)

[ripe walrus]

The head looks better on the toy

[tacit pine]

?

[stable sun]

Abelisaurus has an elongated but not very tall skull. The reconstruction you sent also was made when Abelisaurus was thought to be a Carnosaur.
Comparing all dimensions other than length results in the size similar to the size of the chart above. Abelisaurus is not 2000-4000 kg.

Rajasaurus is about 7 m, it's absolutely not 2000-3000 kg.

[stable sun]

Ekrixinatosaurus has an 85 cm long skull, Carnotaurus has a 60 cm long skull. Guess which one is larger.

[fossil ingot]

Obv Krytops is larger

[sudden wind]

I absolutely hate how short the neck is and how large the feet are, yet the first toe doesn't touch the ground.

[pastel yarrow]

Its chubby
I like it

[velvet burrow]

Honestly gotta love Ekrixinatosaurus for reaching the tons while sharing hood with Giganotosaurus itself

[ripe walrus]

The large feet is prob just to help the toy stand

[mellow prism]

my favorite wrongly reconstructed skull, Abelisaurus was like 7.5m and no more

[manic grail]

This looks so good

[steady rock]

on average what was bigger, chasmosaurines or centrosaurines?

[warped peak]

Chasmosaurines, only a small handful of Centrosaurines got close to the big Chasmosaurs if I'm not mistaken

[steady rock]

sinoceratops is the largest centrosaurine at 5 tons right?

[warped peak]

I think so? Sino or Pachyrhino

[wraith kindle]

Do we know of any Mesozoic or Paleozoic fishes that were very deep water dwellers? Like pitch black abyssal depths?

I know we have trilobites without eyes which is a clear sign that they lived in such deep depths, but what about fishes?

[fossil ingot]

The Mosa is alr

[broken shale]

Can someone link me a video that can help me understand the basics of paleo I don’t understand it

[manic grail]

We complain about spino design but isnt the plot of the movie that these dinos are like weird and some are mutants so they werent introduced to the park

[primal ice]

Yes like the trex which is bigger then normal and can swim

[steady rock]

can trex not swim normally?

[zealous ravine]

Don’t think we ever actually see it swimming? Even when it’s head is underwater the rest appears to be on land

[primal ice]

People saying it probably has iguana dna because its skin looked like a iguana plus it near the river so it making people think it gonna swim like in the noval which probably why it was rejected

[wraith kindle]

That’s what I hear, the dinos on that island are rejected batches or too dangerous for whatever reason.

It’s a mystery why they didn’t destroy them and waste resources transporting them or just having them around.

[tall forge]

I have the ultimate book lmao

[primal ice]

It a good point it probably like Isla sorna scenario again I think these new spino are what jp3 spino was they experimented on the spino just like the just like the mutant spinos but jp3 spino was experimented so much it wasn't suited for the park just like the mutants

[wraith kindle]

Though I guess one could speculate like a sympathetic scientist, or an early research lab.

It’s a whole ‘What if’ really.

[stable sun]

prpbably Carpathichthys

[wraith kindle]

How old is that book? I see a featherless orinthomimid. Nvm, not featherless,

[zealous ravine]

It really doesn’t tho lmao

[steady rock]

this is gonna be a weird question but can we tell the pressure limit a creature can dive from their bones?

[tall forge]

I got it yesterday day

[primal ice]

Ik but its what their saying but it is giving of some novel vibs even if it's head going through the water may not be much

[wraith kindle]

Oh, huh. Dougal Dixon is a name I hadn’t heard of in a LONG time, so, was wondering.

[tall forge]

Ah...I haven't really had this book before and I don't know how old it really is

Some dino study notes for fun (I used the book)

[wraith kindle]

Well, it’ll say the original print date on the first page or two.

[tall forge]

I'd it the publisher Ltd thing?

[wraith kindle]

Yea, generally says the publishing info on the first page.

[tall forge]

It says publishing Ltd 2023

[sick geode]

Looks better than the bland blue one tbh, in the trailer I thought it kinda looked like the WWD Liopleurodon

[wraith kindle]

Nice.

Dixon is a good artist too.

[tall forge]

Aight chat any dino questions?...ill answer since I got the bbg big book lmao

[sick geode]

Now hold on a second...

[steady rock]

why is amarga the BEST

[sick geode]

First ever discovered?

[tall forge]

I think this is amaraga but they are the best bc they are so bbg

[wraith kindle]

Looks like an Amarg with a shorter spine interpretation.

Or maybe it’s the ‘spines aren’t as exposed’ interpretation.

[tall forge]

I found this

[sick geode]

Is that supposed to be for my question?

[tall forge]

Idk I just found it and decided to share it becuase its many dino classification things and some may want to read it (if you can lol) 🙂

[wraith kindle]

Let them read their new book, lol.

[sick geode]

That makes more sense lol

[tall forge]

Me found troodons lol

[wraith kindle]

Featherless Orinthomimasauria and Troodontids though….

Edit: just not that visible in the clades page I guess then.

[wraith kindle]

Isn’t Troodon invalid and never really existed and is Stenonycbus now? Or did they reverse that…..

[tall forge]

I found them headbutters....

[wraith kindle]

He really doesn’t explain the naming situation with Troodon very well imo.

[velvet burrow]

It doesn't look like Amargasaurus, it's probably just a random dicraeosaurid
Or Dicraeosaurus itself

[umbral kite]

Guys how many eggs did hadrosaurus usual have or did they do the same thing as sauropods and have as many as possible to increase the chance of survial

[thorn grove]

Most reptiles do that to varying extents

[bitter quest]

Wasn't there a paper recently that may suggest stygimoloch being valid again

[wraith kindle]

I believe Maiasaurus laid in clutches? That’s the hadrosaur that comes to mind anyway.

[frosty cedar]

Very clean handwriting you got there.

[tall forge]

Ty 🙂

[frosty cedar]

This is fire.

[frosty cedar]

Actually, this doesn't look that weird. It's honestly a pretty neat design. Still wish it had the crest tho, it really does look bald without it.

Even the JP3/Camp Cretaceous spinosaurus had those little horns on the snout, weird that they didn't try to do anything similar.

[frosty cedar]

I like the tail fluke and a more streamlined smooth body it has.

[stable sun]

All the meat-eating dinosaurs belonged to the theropod group

At least Herrerasaurs, Eoraptor and Buriolestes did not.

[stable sun]

It did exist, but it cannot be distinguished from close relatives and thus is considered to be nomen dubium

[wraith kindle]

The writing isn’t that great tbh. For something with 300+ species, I’d have expected a thicker book.

[wraith kindle]

Random Allosaurus robustus in there.

[stable sun]

Not random, it's just not Allosaurus, hence Allosaurus being in quotes

[wraith kindle]

I know, it just seems random for that to pop up there.

[mellow prism]

I approve it

[ionic crescent]

Not valid but a different species from P. wyomingensis due to stratigraphy

(Remember species ≠ genus)

[loud wing]

say, if I have a body of a dead animal and I want it to be fossilized, what should I do

[halcyon cobalt]

bury it in silt or something

[frigid delta]

Gigantopithecus?

[small geyser]

The really big monke.

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-jungle-book-king-louie-seize-him-get-him-after-him-gif-24322393

[umbral kite]

Guys do u think herbivore had recetangle like eye like goats

[steady rock]

anyone got a up to date stegosaurus skeletal?

is this good?

[outer tusk]

yes and no, the no is that we haven't gotten the stegosaurus revision from Matt Dempsey which would revise how we sort of shape this animal even more due to the poor description which had of prior years, and the yes is this edit by Derpystego

[fossil ingot]

Bit longers than Random's Orginal
What more changed?
Other than Posture

[ripe walrus]

The crest is there but its small prob because its a female Spino idk

[topaz shell]

There is that one with the different sail pattern

[steady rock]

Did I scale it correctly?

[ripe walrus]

Yh its cool they all have a unique pattern

[silent inlet]

anyone can respond to this or not, but what would be your favourite dinosaur or which one do you think is the most interesting personally one of my favourites is suchomimus

[outer tusk]

almost

[steady rock]

aw, where did i go wrong?

[steady rock]

May I ask where I went Wrong?

[ripe walrus]

Spinosaurus and Spinosaurids in my opinion

[warped peak]

Anyone got a size reference for the large Rubidgea specimens?

[outer tusk]

you have the metetr bar way too high up

[steady rock]

i dont quite understand? i thought its just suppose to be the same legnth

[outer tusk]

it is

[steady rock]

yeah so arent they the same legnth?

[hallow spear]

Dacent scalebar is still too big, only by a bit though and there’s multiple reasons, i could have scaled to a bigger estimate on the stego in the green silhouette or I could have altered Dacents pose, it looks to me like yours is just slightly too large other than that it’s right

[steady rock]

can you do a version with mira instead? ( ik mira is dace but like, they use the original mira estimates in PoT )

[fossil ingot]

Not mine
I am a collector of stuff

[hallow spear]

I made that, and for Mira it would just be smaller by like 25% or smthin, miragaia is boring so I havnt scaled it

[steady rock]

ooh okay, i could probably try to make one with a mira skeletal if you could give me one :D

also, did anyother stegosaurid have neck armor like stego?

[hallow spear]

Nope so far only stego

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/908831711171854356/1263310840497442938/Dacentrurus_Scale.png?ex=67a60ea7&is=67a4bd27&hm=0b2c6a66d37941ac8eb674745cd8f089a499af3a226dd10e921537ac0a5ea18c&

[hallow spear]

(Falcon forgot that Alcovasaurus is seperate now, forgive his noob ness)

[tough parcel]

I made this several months ago, I didn’t feel like changing the original file

[steady rock]

do you think it would be stego exlcusive or do you think other stegosaurids could have it?

[hallow spear]

I think it’s possible but currently no evidence for it

[outer tusk]

https://www.deviantart.com/iofryy/art/Tameryraptor-markgrafi-Holotype-Skeletal-1156211314

[fluid inlet]

Apex victims

[hallow spear]

As soon as I have apex measurements so I can guesstimate which measurements are the most applicable proportions wise… you will see a lot of stego

[fluid inlet]

Do you got a weight estimation on Willard the triceratops ? I have seen nothing , only length and height.

[hallow spear]

Untill Willard is scanned or figured/described im not touching it

[fluid inlet]

King Willard, scaring all the little theropods!

[winter marsh]

Does anyone have any papers regarding Udanoceratops' bite force? (I will try to make a hybrid for that Goji Center hybrid fight club)

[outer tusk]

Anyone got any info on Late Jurassic Titanosaurs?

[opaque kayak]

OOO new skeletal?

[restive crag]

Had to make this guy first tho

[fluid inlet]

how tall the guy and weight

[opaque kayak]

Wohooooo, meraxes

[outer tusk]

hey Liam did I show you my lineart of your shacoh

[restive crag]

The guy is 5’8 I don’t have the weight

[topaz shell]

There isn’t any iirc

Also WHAT IS THAT STOP TIMER

[outer tusk]

( they're aren't )

[fossil ingot]

Meraxes Peak

[fluid inlet]

damn he's short.

[restive crag]

Nah he’s incredibly tall and handsome

[round hedge]

Dead for 5 hours

[halcyon cobalt]

shut it

[pastel yarrow]

Sue

[round hedge]

AMNH 5027 is way better imo

[willow tiger]

Fun fact, a t-rex is weaker than a nuke, there for a nuke can kill a t rex.

[sly viper]

Number 2 goes hard

[halcyon cobalt]

inb4 “ AI slop google search ruined “

[pastel yarrow]

I think a yutyrannus would hunt by
Biting
But thats a theory

[sly viper]

What's your evidence

[pastel yarrow]

It has teeth
And teeth good for nom

[sly viper]

No it didn't liar

[pastel yarrow]

:0

[sly viper]

What the hell is this

[uncut salmon]

i need a small stupid but cute looking dinosaur to obsess over stat

[outer tusk]

Yuytrannus

[uncut salmon]

i love them. pot please add them

i feel like the build of the indoraptor reminds me of a different dinosaur. its not the hybrid of whats its susposed to be. i cant figure it out, what pure bred dinosaur could i be thinkiing off?

[halcyon cobalt]

how does this look so far?

and where should the beak start

[frigid delta]

mods exist (?)

[frigid delta]

have we ever discuss anything abt Prehistoric Planet's Austroposeidon?

[tulip dove]

That's an outrageous theory
How do you think it would have done that

[gilded osprey]

Their literally available to play in the game

[sudden wind]

Beak should only include the premaxilla afaik.

[snow python]

Just saw it

[steady rock]

Which formation has the most repersentation in PoT?

[tough parcel]

Dinosaur Park Formation (or an accompanying formation) might have the most

[steady rock]

lambeo, alberta, styraco and das?

[quasi token]

lamb, sty, dasp, ano, and laten are from dinosaur park
though from late cretaceous alberta as a whole, you do also have alb, tylo, eo, rex, and probably struthi from related formations

[steady rock]

would 2nd place be the morrison formation?

stego , cerato, allosaurus, campto and mira ( ? )

[hushed fossil]

I love 65. It's so accurate and has such creative designs. We need more paleomedia like it 😊

[terse python]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[compact leaf]

mira doesn’t actually fit into morrison (alcovasaurus got split out) but yeah it would be second

[round hedge]

Nothronychus ?

[umbral kite]

guys how did dinosaurs eye look did they look like large herbivores like circle or did they have receta gle eye

[opaque kayak]

https://x.com/harrison_duran/status/1887920392771182823/photo/1

Duranosaur (@harrison_duran) on X

@skeletaldrawing A new femur discovered in September 2024 is now claimed to be the largest rex femur specimen discovered. Found and excavated by Loren Gurche and Lauren McClain.

X · Feb 7, 2025, 5:44 PM

[fluid inlet]

That guy does the best reconstructions

[dapper basin]

hi

[meager spindle]

So does this mean Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus is still valid?

[steady rock]

can a sauropod whipping its tail still break the sound barrier? ( i remember them saying it in wwd )

[tough parcel]

@meager spindle It's been valid since Tameryraptor was named

@steady rock No. Physically, they could, but realistically, they wouldn't exert themselves to that point

[steady rock]

is diplodocus using its tail like a whip also outdated or is it still a thing?

[velvet burrow]

It'd also break it's tail

[steady rock]

oh how? like just the sheer force it would take?

[stiff osprey]

moving at the speed of sound itself would not break the tail (although it'd cause massive friction on the skin)

but if the tail tip hit anything solid going that speed it would be obliterated

however this does not prevent sauropods from using their tails as whips because the tail did not actually move at the speed of sound

[outer tusk]

^

[stable sun]

well if the solid thing was Allosaurus then the Allosaurus would be also obliterated !!!

[stiff osprey]

very effective antipredator defense, works only once

[civic sail]

you've heard of dropping tails as a defense, now here's exploding ones

[spice snow]

What dinosaur is-a my Yoshi?

[stable sun]

https://youtu.be/yhucShIRTcw go to 14:12

[outer tusk]

THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEORY!!!

[stiff osprey]

i feel like Kritosaurus/gryposaurus makes much more sense with that nose shape than Monolophosaurus does

[spice snow]

Yeah I saw that-a video and he say that-a my yosh is a monolophosaurus but his a-snout seems to be too round

[tough parcel]

The Monolophosaurus with a bee sting

[stable sun]

i know yoshi most likely isn't monolophosaurus it just would be funny to link a MatPat video

[spice snow]

What if a-he is an abelisaurid of-a some sort?

[stiff osprey]

i would say gryposaurus is the best match
granted you kinda have to ignore that gryposaurus has a beak

[spice snow]

But-a he is a bipedal

[stiff osprey]

tbf so was gryposaurus in 1990 when yoshi first appeared in a game

[spice snow]

I believe a-he is a majungasaurus, he is-a short, has-a small arms, and his-a head matches-a pretty well

[outer tusk]

Yoshi def has define arms and hands than a majunagasaurus

[stiff osprey]

like the average grypo reconstruction when yoshi came out was something like this

[steady rock]

yeah but dont whips crack the sound barrier without needing to move at the speed of sound?

[stiff osprey]

the tip of the whip moves faster than sound, while the base doesn't

the closer to the tip the faster it moves

[steady rock]

oh i did NOT know that

[wary fable]

Who do y’all think would win Edmontosaurus annectens or T-rex realistically

[steady rock]

trex

[fossil ingot]

Rex, Edmonto was Smaller and had no real defense vs Rex other than been Faster tbh
X-Rex specimen is just an outlier in Edmonto's Size Range

[steady rock]

whats edmontos speed now that i think about it?

[wary fable]

I thought edmontosaurus was bigger

[warped peak]

1 or 2 specimens are, the rest are smaller

[steady rock]

can i be honest? i think rex could take down shant too...

[fossil ingot]

Only with like
2 Specimens which are outliers
All this are adults btw

[tough parcel]

Edmontosaurus individual sizes vs Shant

[warped peak]

Honestly, that's not unreasonable for the larger specimens. Tyrannosaurus is a disgustingly power animal

That being said, I think it's above the pay grade for an average Rex

[steady rock]

oh yeah defiently

[fossil ingot]

Cope vs 16t Shant ain't fair for Shant Ngl

[wary fable]

I would put my money on shant idk but that things a monster if it can get a good hit on rex that could seriously hurt em

[spice snow]

Yoshi isn't a koopa

[steady rock]

i disagree

[spice snow]

We're talking about-a my yoshi, not koopas

[warped peak]

Thing is, every hit from the Rex is gonna be a good hit. That's what Rex is specialized for

Shant has to get lucky for a hit to do anything serious

[wary fable]

I have no idea if this is outdated now but wasn’t its weight thought to be around 30kLBS once

[warped peak]

There was never a point where it got that high

22 Tons was the upper estimate and is already too big

[wary fable]

Is rex still 15k pounds?

[warped peak]

Upper Rex is about 11 tons

[wary fable]

I thought 30k pounds but 20 tons is much bigger

[steady rock]

theses words are getting confusing how does 30k pounds translate to 20 tons?

[wary fable]

It doesn’t I said isn’t it around 30k pounds aka 15 tons he said no 22 tons which is 44k I said 20 tons because either way it’s still massive

[steady rock]

non america math is confusing :(

[stable sun]

Goliath is about 12 t

[warped peak]

Not even Cope ends up that big

[wary fable]

I would say if that’s the estimates rex may win if he ambushes but a head on fight shant would win

[stable sun]

That's because Goliath is bigger than Cope

[warped peak]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't believe that.

Cope is already infamously unreliable large

[stable sun]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1007429691405800&id=100064163344160

it has a femur circumference of 65.77 vs 63 cm

Cope is NOT really unreliable. It's fairly reliable actually.

[fossil ingot]

Didn't Random already said that
Lad is likely smaller than that?

[fluid inlet]

Willard victims ngl

[steady rock]

can we summon random here with a ritual

[stable sun]

Yeah but it's still probably larger than Cope either way, it used to be ~13 t now it's about 12 t

[fluid inlet]

Willard vs Cope pov

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Cope is 11.1t scaling off 10.3t Sue
It won't be 12 tons when mf is not even Cope Size properly

[stable sun]

It has a larger femur circumference. Look at the messages in the place where you got these screenshots from.

[warped peak]

Hah who's Edward now

[fossil ingot]

And later he said this less than two hours ago.
In short words, the measurements of the Lad are questionable.
We gotta wait for the lad

[stable sun]

The measumerents are most likely originally from Black Hills Institute, which the femur belongs to. The measumerents should be reliable. The issue is stuff like preparation and crushing. That Facebook account is likely reliable too.

[stable sun]

Yes but again femur circumference should stay fairly close to the real measumerent

[warped peak]

You do realize that this is QUITE LITERALLY saying "That's 100% for sure the largest Tyrannosaurus specimen ever. Source: trust me dude"

[fossil ingot]

He said it would had a Smaller Width
He also said "scale off cope"
Cause you said to use Cope and Not Sue, g
He got smaller with Sue
Random's isn't even sure that is Correct cause again
"Goliath' sucks
Cause the Facebook Page is not smth even Random's Knows

[stable sun]

Yes, but a larger anteroposterior length too so the circumference would say consistent

Using Sue to scale it via circumference gets even larger results, specifically 14.3 t

The Facebook page is reliable

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Random doesn't know it so am I suppose.to Trust you??
Toxic is supposely asking for more Info, Lad isn't even described and just said to be Larger on a Social Media Page(Bertha Moment)

[warped peak]

It's almost like Tyrannosaurus has tremendous individual variation and this could easily just be a case of that because the undescribed, WARPED fossil with measurements posted on a Facebook page nobody has ever heard of as a source, is unreliable

[fossil ingot]

I won't really Buy Goliath until we got more of it or a Proper thing on it.
He isn't even sure of the Lad, No one Really is.

I won't just trust a Made up Estimate when we need more of it, I can buy you Cope cause we have more of it.
Goliath tho?
Yeah I will wait

[stable sun]

The measumerents are provided in the image. It's not "trust me bro".

@fossil ingot random doesn't know every social media page of a random fossil marketplace, why would he know it, what is this point
He absolutely knows about BHI though which is where the femur is

Cope isn't described either and is also just said to be large on social media pages

@warped peak The source is literally Black Hills Institute, which everyone heard of. Despite the individual variation, no femur has a circumference this high.

@fossil ingot the estimate isn't made up

[stiff osprey]

630 is fairly close to 647

[stable sun]

Well yeah 2.8% difference

[fossil ingot]

Why double Ping

[stiff osprey]

so far we have random guy on facebook saying it's the largest with no input from anyone who's actually in the BHI, and random guy on reddit saying it's reconstructed too big

Cope's not described, but it is published, has a catalog number, and like is publicly acknowledged to exist

[steady rock]

random question but what is tarbo more closely related too, zhu or tyrannosaurus?

[fluid inlet]

Random guys and random Dino’s all legit.

[stable sun]

It's not really a random guy, it's this site https://mfmshow.com/ plus I would be fairly certain that they didn't just make up these measumerents on the spot and that BHI is aware of their existence

well true

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus more like tyrannosaurusfanboy

[stable sun]

No I will always be loyal to Bahariasaurus ingens

[stiff osprey]

i trust that the reconstructed femur is indeed 137 cm long with a 64 cm circumference but i don't trust that was its actual size before it was reconstructed

basically the same situation as Bertha tbh, the reconstruction is massive but who knows how big it actually is

[sullen cairn]

they have food trucks that pretty cool

[steady rock]

besides mosa, was rex the largest creature in hell creek?

[fluid inlet]

That’s a based dinosaur to fanboy over even if dust now.

[stiff osprey]

can Cau publish his totally real noasaurid Bahariasaurus already i want to make a bahariya formation chart

[stable sun]

Yeah, but the difference is that Bertha has no known measumerents and Goliath does

[scenic flame]

99 times out of 100 I'd agree, but I'm harsher on cope because of how overhyped it constantly is, if ye get what I mean

[stable sun]

Just ignore Cau I really doubt it's a Noasaurid

[stiff osprey]

technically I know a Bertha measurement and it is larger than Goliath although idk about the circumference

[velvet burrow]

What about
A Bajo de la Carpa chart in the meantime

[stable sun]

Bahariya

[stiff osprey]

didn't i already make a bajo de la carpa

[steady rock]

you should do morrison and include every. single. sauropod.

[stable sun]

Bahariya

[velvet burrow]

Apparently not

[fluid inlet]

Darius Nau would laugh at these Goliath measurements.

[scenic flame]

from what I'm gathering here 'bertha', 'goliath' and to a lesser extent 'cope' are too unreliable at least right now to be doing the whole junk measuring contest as to who is the biggest.
That being said the fact that they all see to at least be roughly sue sized suggests to me we should really be looking at the implications this has for sue-sized tyrannosaurus's being abit more common that we thought.

[stiff osprey]

given that cope is a published specimen known from more and better remains than things such as dentary giga or MSNM/NHMUK spino i am pretty confident in calling it the largest tyrannosaurus

[scenic flame]

that seems reasonable, what's the rough size estimate for it rn?

[stable sun]

~12.7 m and ~11 t I think

[stiff osprey]

yeah

[fossil ingot]

Ehhh 11.1t

[scenic flame]

gotcha, the only reason I think I've been more sceptical of cope rather than other similarly or even less understood specimens is how much I've seen it overhyped to hell and blown up to like 13.5+ meters etc

[fluid inlet]

What’s a matter little buddy , scared of big bad Willard?

[stable sun]

Well it's overhyped because it's big

[velvet burrow]

Wait where is it?

[scenic flame]

either way, I think it's alot more interesting that the pool of 9-11 ton tyrannosaurus specimens seems to have more than doubled now

[stiff osprey]

I thought Cope was dumb too when it was based only on femur circumference, but after more measurements popped up and are consistently larger than Sue's across different bones I'm more convinced. That and it got downsized multiple times

[sullen cairn]

because as ive been saying the only definitive fully grown rexes are trix sue scotty and friends trust

[stable sun]

Well we went from only Sue to Sue, Scotty, Cope, Bertha and Goliath so doubled might be an understatement

[scenic flame]

thats why I said more than doubled

[fluid inlet]

💀

[scenic flame]

that's the way ye do it

[fossil ingot]

The True Goat(trust)

[stiff osprey]

huh you're right i've never posted a BDLC chart

[outer tusk]

some forget

[stiff osprey]

Allow me to fix that

[sullen cairn]

MAU-Pv-Co 598 my beloved

[winter marsh]

Udanomaxxing

[meager spindle]

Yeah but since Tameryraptor was originally the holotype of that genus wouldn't the neotype be called something else?

[stiff osprey]

tamery isn't the holotype of carcharodontosaurus, the holotype is two teeth from algeria

[fossil ingot]

The barely smaller maip jumpscare

[winter marsh]

Half those sauropods would get slaughtered by Tratayenia but I am almost sure if they had Udanomaxxed they wouldve used their 5600 newtons of bite force to kill Tratayenia easily

[meager spindle]

Appreciate it. There was lot of confusion.

[velvet burrow]

OAOAOAOAOOAOAOA

Traukutitan is... larger than i expected

And Diuqin is smaller
Wait can the large vertebrae be confidently assigned to Tratayenia?

[ancient crystal]

So I'm guessing that new rex femur already hit the paleochat channel?

[tough parcel]

.

[velvet burrow]

Wait isn't Diuqin like, a middle point (in size) between Unenlagia and Austroraptor?

Or is it a misinterpretarion?
Or your usual initial description glazing?

[halcyon cobalt]

anything i should change about my nothronychus?

[ancient crystal]

Lol, that's good, I saw it online and immediately thought of here

[noble dune]

Maybe beef up the arms a little bit? The look a bit thin from the front view

[winter marsh]

You should remodel it to an Udanoceratops (listen to the guy above me that chicken is NOT buffed enough)

[halcyon cobalt]

velociraptor victim

[fluid inlet]

Theropod victimizers

[uncut salmon]

Give me the stupidest looking Dinosaur I need a laugh

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/raftingzalmoxes/status/1887822065727873270?s=46

Palaeoncryptozoologist Briton (@raftingzalmoxes) on X

Dr. Thomas Holtz has CONFIRMED THAT #WWD2025 WILL GIVE US A TRULY GREAT SPINOSAURUS!

...which will be a *LOT* better than the stylised version in JWR.

X · Feb 7, 2025, 11:13 AM

[ancient crystal]

Potentially hot take but I like the JWR spino

[halcyon cobalt]

this look better?

[small geyser]

Have a Incisivosaurus.

[halcyon cobalt]

does this look alright?

[velvet burrow]

The ol' reliable, this should suffice

[noble dune]

Oooh lots better! Now he got that arm strength!

[fluid inlet]

We was wrong about dinosaurs

[formal wren]

no

[frigid delta]

what abt this kind of fight for Rex vs Spino?

[fluid inlet]

Does anyone know how to see the locations of where the life size replica of sue is going to be going ?

[wind prairie]

I just know it's gonna be peak they didn't have to say it

[round hedge]

Yes

[fluid inlet]

What’s your pfp suppose to be a lama?

[halcyon cobalt]

locked in

[frigid delta]

should i use this Carcha?

[wind prairie]

locked in alien meme
first someone thought it was a deer, now a llama???
considering changing it tbf

[noble dune]

I thought it was a giraffe 😭

[wraith kindle]

I thought some sort of clown, I dunno.

I don't see how people see deer, llama, or giraffe in it.

[wind prairie]

lets see how many more artiodactyls I can get it mistaken for before I change it
ok but this is offtopic. Don't want the mods on me again lol.
thoughts on tamisiocaris??

[wraith kindle]

Looks cool?

[astral spindle]

1138? Is that Apex?

[sly viper]

Bro looks like 🤓

[sly viper]

100% scientific accuracy

[wraith kindle]

What the horror jaw?

[wraith kindle]

Ew, Roblox.

[wraith kindle]

If the text in that gif. is supposed to say something, it’s not even readable.

[sly viper]

Gamers what dinosaur is this?

[astral spindle]

Dakota-, oh wait nvm.

[frigid delta]

Dromaeosaurus

[sly viper]

Thanks gamer

[brisk dagger]

[frigid delta]

i am an intelligent gorilla

[sly viper]

Yes (can the cooldown go back down to 30 seconds)

[wraith kindle]

Hard to tell which dromaeosaur it is. Scale bar would help. Could always check the source.

Gonna say it seems like one of the smaller ones, like Deinonychus or Velociraptor.

[round hedge]

I almost said acheroraptor, idk why

[sly viper]

I did some more research and the prehistoric planet wiki said it was a dromeosaurus (also the intelligent gorilla said it was)

[round hedge]

"Erhm, actually it's called dromAeosaurus ☝️🤓"

(Nah, but seriously, who th cares, that's how i have spelled it for a very long time)

So, could diplodocus use its tail as a whip, or would it break upon impact ?

[snow python]

How heavy was Cryolophosaurus?

[round hedge]

Probably less than 1 ton

About in the 500-750 kg range

But hey, cryolophosaurus mentioned

[sly viper]

Oh mb mb (ty whoever made the cooldown 30 seconds again)

[wraith kindle]

If it hit something hard like a rock, it’s probably hurt, but yea, probably did use it like a whip.

[round hedge]

Wow, i never expected someone to thank me for corecting them, but writing a dino name by how it's pronnounced is by no means a bad thing

[round hedge]

That's a goated moderator

May the Lord be eternally with them

[sly viper]

Agreed

[opaque kayak]

Peak mod 🔥

[round hedge]

So a reckless allosaurus would still get its ass kicked, good to know

[sly viper]

Would a yutyrannus have seen a aurora Australis or borealis?

[snow python]

And 7,7m long?

[wraith kindle]

Australis is the southern one, Borealis is northern.

[round hedge]

Bigger specimens could, but average ones would not really push 7+ meters

[sly viper]

Would a yutyrannus see them?

[frigid delta]

y'all whoever online
i lost Randomdinos Mapu skeletal again
for those who has it, send me it again pls

[wraith kindle]

The formation page on wiki says it was at a high latitude, don’t know how high.

[spice snow]

I once-a fought a triceratops

[spice snow]

I Read "degens"

[spice snow]

Incisivosaurus

[spice snow]

Kinda, the tail would-a break if it-a used the same-a force as the speed of-a sound, but the tip-a of-a the tail-a moved-a really fast, so if-a a dinosaur was-a close enough, it would-a hurt-a them-a really badly

[round hedge]

Only the real Mario himself was able to give me an accurate respinse and make it be funny at the same-a time-a

Thanks a lot dude :)))

[spice snow]

You're-a welcome

YAHOO

[sly viper]

So it's-a like the tail was-a only for long-a range?

[sly viper]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-bubsy-explode-shatter-explodes-gif-23844896

[round hedge]

So did lurdusaurus have a long neck ?

Not like sauropod level, but a long neck by iguanodontid standards

[halcyon cobalt]

idk man see for yourself

[round hedge]

So is this accurate ?

[round hedge]

Chonky boi

[sly viper]

What's the scientific accuracy of this chunky chicken (utahraptor)

[round hedge]

It screams

" 'MERICA 🦅🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅"

[outer tusk]

7-9 meters between 700-900kg

[outer tusk]

No

[frigid delta]

"pls speed i need it 💔"

[round hedge]

Damn, the dude was massive

(Please don't make that joke)

[outer tusk]

You know what else is massive

[round hedge]

Suchomimus !

Man's 39 feet long and weighs 5 tons

[opaque kayak]

Sucho sure is big

[round hedge]

But how big was vectispinus ?

[stable sun]

Pretty sure it was like 11 m

[round hedge]

So sucho still bigger

[stable sun]

Yes

[outer tusk]

new gives a better reference of size

[opaque kayak]

I like the actual human there, since silouttes for me sometimes miss size

[halcyon cobalt]

how thick were abelisaurids

[outer tusk]

how?

[opaque kayak]

Ig sometimes the siloutte shows more like a painted wall, while if there is a real human there it captures the size of it better for me

[outer tusk]

tbh it has the same effect both are just a glimpses of how big these animals are to a human regardless if it's a real life photo cropped or a mere silhouette

[round hedge]

For me personally, it's easier when both the human and the dino are silhouetted, so sad that the silhouette size comparisons are so outdated

They should be brought back

[outer tusk]

silhouette size comp still exist yk?

[round hedge]

Really ?

[outer tusk]

yeah, what made you think they were outdated 😭

[round hedge]

Most old size comps are silhouetted, like ones from the time when we still thought spino looked like in planet dinosaur

But the new ones are obviously up to date If there still are any

Wait, gotta search up some real quick

Good'ol times

But now, i guess using the reconstructed dino model is better

[outer tusk]

it's not some dying medium it still exist yk

almost forgot this one as well

[round hedge]

Oh, i forgot about those using the remaining skeletal remains

I was talking about the colorful silhouettes

There's even without them

[outer tusk]

You do realize you can just change the color of a silhouette you want

[round hedge]

Oh, but they chose it to be black so that it pops out more to the naked eye

I get it now

[outer tusk]

Black is just a common color used it doesn't "pop out" more than any color to the eye when it to images with white backgrounds

[round hedge]

Oh, preistoricwildlife.com also uses silhouettes, they didn't get designs for all creatures, and most obscure ones don't even have a size comp

Oh, but the site redesign killed the entire vibe in my opinion

[outer tusk]

What site redesign also ew prehistoricwildlife

[round hedge]

It looked way better with a beige, almost orange background

Now they just ruined it

[round hedge]

What's wrong with the site ?

When i used to browse it, it was still up to date with what info we had back then, but it's outdated to today's standards

[halcyon cobalt]

exactly, it’s outdated

[outer tusk]

^

[round hedge]

The creators probably forgot to update it

But they bothered to ruin the vibe

It used to be good, now it's trash

Not only the design, but the info too

However it's not a guilty thing to be nostalgic to the days when it wasn't outdated

[outer tusk]

what are you talking about

[stable sun]

It always had inaccurate stuff tbh

[outer tusk]

It sort was always outdated and inaccurate in the design and infomation used in the web

[stable sun]

Yeah

[round hedge]

Ok, who am i kidding

I just liked printing out the coloring pages that it had for some dinosaurs bc i liked coloring them in by the ilustration on the site

I never really cared for the info

[fluid inlet]

Nothing wrong with that bud

[round hedge]

But now i can't even print them out anymore without my eyes hurting because of the redesign

[snow python]

Wasn't Pete III like 10,1-10,5m and 4,2-4,4t?

[stable sun]

Yeah, the 11 m estimates are an overestimate

[snow python]

I'd say 10,5m and 4,4t and is the biggest dasp, right?

[outer tusk]

Pete III would still be the biggest daspletosaurus specimen

[stable sun]

Yes

[wraith kindle]

Is that lurdu? Not sure about the neck.

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eij6NikRIA

[outer tusk]

for a pterosaur does this look about right?

[round hedge]

It is

The neck tho, idk about it

[outer tusk]

seems about right

[wraith kindle]

I still feel like it’s a little longer compared to the skeletal.

[round hedge]

Looooooooong neck boi

[wraith kindle]

Is this based on that specimen which had a fish get itself stuck in the wing membrane, dragged both itself and the pterosaur to their deaths, and in the process forced the wing out of its typical death position.

The arms aren’t symmetrical though, looks like you have its right wing (left from our perspective) starting down further than the other side. Aside from that, it looks ok.

[outer tusk]

Its based on BYU 16923

[wraith kindle]

I tried googling that, all it came up with was college stuff., and some other random things.

[wraith kindle]

Those look healed? Can’t have flown too well. Could be from an attack or something.

[outer tusk]

The first one is but the second one led to a permanent fracture

( Also how should I change the wing perspective )

[wraith kindle]

It looks like you have the arm starting mid body than at the shoulder. That’s what I’m trying to tell you.

[scenic flame]

outdated, randomdinos has made a more recent silhouette, still poorly understood and will probably change though

[wraith kindle]

#art-channel Might be able to better critique though.

[outer tusk]

pretty sure it's just his lurdu with hartman's iguanodon for a more 'updated' recon

[round hedge]

Random is the closest person that we have to a real paleontologist ever in this server

(Torvosaurus, doofus, Kuitaran, an intelligent gorrila and srumis are also really close)

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-nurse-britney-12-hours-after-my-shift-confused-nurse-gif-8510731316571023365

[round hedge]

(no offence to others not included, doesn't mean that i don't consider You too)

So, is smok a raiusuchian or a dinosaur ?

[outer tusk]

unknown

[stable sun]

Rauisuchian

[stable sun]

Most of the dinosaur-like traits aren't really real

[outer tusk]

crazy

[scenic flame]

yeah but it would still be more up to date with how we currently understand lurdu tmk

[outer tusk]

true

[tough parcel]

I'll remember this...

[uncut salmon]

Can I share my theories about sauropods?

I feel like they would be slightly similar to elephant herds. Females and males all travel in groups relatively but when feeding they stay in groups of females and young and the main male with young males that aren't quite past nursing age

[native kindle]

saying this when there is multiple paleontologists in the server is really funny to me

[steel hearth]

Hwo else can not Come in path of titans because of the playstation network is down

[restive crag]

Me as well

[uncut salmon]

What's a dinosaur that looks scary but was relatively peaceful considering the evidence provided?

[warped peak]

Therizino seems like a good candidate for that. It's claws were not very well reinforced for frequent combat

[devout haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/998267431405490227/1337838048301289532/image.jpg?ex=67a8e646&is=67a794c6&hm=2305ca4f08bfbd4275b66941b15dbe28bb65456ba7a70d137565307aea88ce28&

[stiff osprey]

Spinosaurus is pretty scary but I doubt it'd chase you any appreciable distance on land

[uncut salmon]

( not meant to be offensive this is a joke)

What's the dinosaur that if it was alive today most likely woman would be like "pspspsppsp come here baby"

I know my dumb but would see a compy and think 'omg, I must take care of you' which their relatively small but in large numbers I'm pretty sure I'd be a goner

[stable sun]

this is of course assuming Cau is wrong and adult Compsognathus wasn't like 5+ m

[fossil ingot]

Imagine

[uncut salmon]

I wonder why they were thought to be small anyway? How did we even find the bones if they were that small?

[tough parcel]

Luck

[wraith kindle]

Even the most delicate of bones can be preserved given the right conditions.

[stable sun]

what do you mean How did we find them

they aren't like 5 micrometers long the femur for example is 11 cm

[wraith kindle]

Also, same way we find mammal teeth....

[tough parcel]

A sifter

But Compy and co. were very lucky in that they lived in very good places for preservation

[stable sun]

I mean it's definitely possible

[tough parcel]

It isn't shattered everywhere

[uncut salmon]

I remember ruining a kids perspective of Jurassic Park because I told them what a real velociraptor was. I felt bad but I won't let them go through what I did being a huge fan of them and then realizing in reality they'd have been feathered reptiles

[stable sun]

I don't see the problem with them being feathered

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, post the image of the skua covered in blood (don't)

[uncut salmon]

I don't have any problem with it. Personally I was just mad the franchise miss named them. I have a weird obsession with accuracy. which is why I'm writing a book that is meant to be like Jurassic world and Jurassic park but accurate.

I also find the vision of small animals terrorizing tall humans kind of funny.

[civic sail]

personally, velociraptors n co being murder chickens made a lot of sense to me moreso than shrinkwrapped murder lizards. have you ever seen an angry rooster? but i get feeling let down by the pop culture icon look being shattered

[uncut salmon]

I feel like a comedy movie version of Jurassic park should be made with like accurate velociraptor models. Enough about movie talk I don't wanna become off topic though

[stable sun]

And tbf the "they were actually tiny!!!" thing is somewhat overcorrection, the fighting dinosaurs specimen is 2 m long and probably 16 kg while the largest known specimens were ~2.5 m and maybe about ~40 kg. Obviously not as big as the JP ones but not something that's very small either

[civic sail]

ohh, never knew that! murderturkeys, then... still pretty ticked-off rooster-y to me, but more formidable. it's neat to see how knowledge has expanded on then with time!

[stable sun]

I mean the largest known specimens were in terms of weight comparable to an average emu or an average cassowary

[uncut salmon]

Now I'm kinda scared to write my book. What if in a couple of years it's no longer accurate? Will people remember that it was accurate for the time period I created it?

[cloud breach]

Lurdu axial osteology is not even out yet so not really

[scenic flame]

considering randomdinos made both silhouettes I think it's reasonable to say the more recent one is better

[cloud breach]

Its not even so different

[civic sail]

the nomenclature was meant to come off as me being silly in only kicking them up a single weightclass- my bad. ^^;
i still do know of people with backyard/farm emus, so the daydreaming mental image of them being farmraised still stands for me. it's hard for me to imagine dinos without it being comparatively like that, unless i'm standing in front of a reconstruction or model at a museum

[civic sail]

to be fair, i look at the original jurassic park novel in that way- you can only know what you know. if anything that makes it a nice artifact of that time period in paleontological knowledge

[round hedge]

How slender was cryolophosaurus ?

[outer tusk]

not really slender if you ask me

[round hedge]

Damn, the dude's spine is way thicker than i thought

Dinosaur revolution got it really wrong

But hey, in true dinosaur revolution fashion

They were just shrinkwrapped

So, almost all depictions of my boi cryo are starving

[outer tusk]

also this but also DR is made in 2008 so OBIVOUSLY it's gonna be predict some added soft tissue

[ivory elm]

cameroceras is invalid? right?

[mortal fossil]

Maip?

[mortal fossil]

Biblically accurate Edmontosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Welcome back from vacation

[mortal fossil]

Shrimp is bugs
I love himb

[pliant cedar]

is sinotyrannus heavier than yuty?
@fossil ingot srry to disturb

[mortal fossil]

Not that I know of, just a few of its specimens got reassigned to a different death ice cream cone squid I forgot the name of

[stable sun]

It seems to be larger

[pliant cedar]

alr
mass wise?

[native kindle]

if they aren't the same animal

[mortal fossil]

Yeah by a lot too

9-10 meters with the mass of ~2.5 tons

[pliant cedar]

damn
so it would be a 3 slot between dasp and allo in game

[fossil ingot]

Imagine been smaller than Allo

[native kindle]

it's smaller than both in mass, only longer sometimes

[pliant cedar]

no like in game

[mortal fossil]

It would be smaller than Dasp

Even the smaller Dasp is bigger than 2500kg

[native kindle]

same applies, especially with how big pot allo is

[mortal fossil]

Sinotyrannus would be barely bigger than Metri which is like 2000kg-ish

[pliant cedar]

so it would be between pycno and dasp

[fossil ingot]

Pycno is also larger.
2.7t lad scaling off Carno

[native kindle]

it's between metri and pycno lol

[mortal fossil]

The skull is entirely different, it isn’t synonymous with Yuty

[pliant cedar]

in game

[stable sun]

Not system about that much I'd need to check

[sullen cairn]

i cant tell if were talking about in-game or not here and i'm too scared to ask

[native kindle]

fatalis is asking about in game sizes, if you were to slot in the real animal

[fossil ingot]

Dasp uses a size Range of Torosus Holotype and Pete III so doesn't change much
Ingame Pycno is scaled to a "Hypothetical" adult

[stable sun]

From theropod database:

[Yutyrannus] differs from Sinotyrannus in- morphologically lateral surface of the maxillary process of the premaxilla faces dorsally; maxilla lacks an anterior ramus; maxillary fenestra is posteriorly positioned; antorbital fossa has a posteroventrally sloping ventral margin; ilium has a straight dorsal margin and a postacetabular process whose ventral margin bears a lobe-like flange.

[mortal fossil]

Both irl and in-game SinoT would be between Pycno and Metri

[pliant cedar]

so sino would be bigger than yuty but smaller than pycno

[sullen cairn]

tbf thats a pretty wide range

[stable sun]

well yeah

[fossil ingot]

Yeah.
PT Yuty is 8.7m long

[sullen cairn]

in that case sino would be like in-game yuty size

[pliant cedar]

so yuty is 2350 cw
metri is like 2000
so would 2500 be fair for sino?

[native kindle]

yuty is 3200, metri is 3100. pycno is 3500 with das

[mortal fossil]

Metri is 3100
Yuty is grossly oversized because PT hates balance and they have a tyrannosaur bias

[pliant cedar]

so would 3450 with less hp work

[mortal fossil]

It’s like a 1.5 tons animal if that, Yuty is not a big animal

But Ark brainrot goes brrrrr

I would put SinoT at 3300-3350 personally and take it from there

[pliant cedar]

it being bigger doesnt make it unbalanced
and wasnt it still quite large anyway, like close to 2 tons on the upper limit

[stable sun]

Metriacanthosaurus is 3.1 t? How? Even Yangchuanosaurus is only 4 t

[fossil ingot]

Ngl I don't see Metri been 2000kgs
Not with how its Built, Carno's Around 1.8t with Random's Skeletal at 7.8m or Hartmans 2t at 8.4m

[native kindle]

combat weight in game

[mortal fossil]

Biggest I have seen is 1.5 tons

[fossil ingot]

Yuty is 3250
Funny number

[mortal fossil]

CW, I don’t understand what was not clear about that

[pliant cedar]

alr, imma go with 3400 for my idea
50 cw isnt that deep

[sullen cairn]

tmk the jfd yuty model had a volume of about 2kN while being really fluffy
and assuming its based on random's edit it'd also be a good bit longer than most yuty recons but also yuty recons are somewhat hampered by the thing not being described
which is to say at the most the thing is probably somewhat below something under like 1.8-1.9t

[fossil ingot]

Weird Jumpscare

[mortal fossil]

Metri got some bigger specimens from France and that shilouette you sent is already comparable to Carno and isn’t exactly built like a stick either

@gray zealot can probably run you through current metri sizes, it’s more her forte than mine

[stable sun]

Metriacanthosaurus doesn't have specimens from France

[mortal fossil]

1.8 tons being the absolute max for Yuty sounds about right

[sullen cairn]

frenchiacanthosaurus would be catchy though

[gray zealot]

metri has isolated material from france

[stable sun]

Metria was 8.1 m 1.6 t

[mortal fossil]

Yeah there are French Metriacanthosaurs

You dogpiling replies with “nuh uh” doesn’t change that

I literally tagged the FRENCH person who read the article about it posted in French so your opinion on that is entirely invalid

[stable sun]

It doesn't

[tropic citrus]

Yuty was given 8.7m because the estimates we had on hand at the time was between 8-9m. After which it was given lower estimates of 7-8m.

Being a meter shorter wouldn't change anything about its balance. Just for the sake of "objective" options, if you were to take 8m, which would be a "large" estimate for Yutyrannus, you'd get a 8.75% upsize, which still pales in comparison to the majority of the vanilla roster.

[gray zealot]

m. parkeri, either has isolated material from france or something almost entirely identical

[sullen cairn]

(french people et al)

[stable sun]

where is the source for this

[gray zealot]

alright one sec, i didn't expect to be dragged into this

[tough parcel]

Metriacanthosaurus when I reduce its remains to dust

[stable sun]

French Metriacanthosaurids yes but I don't know any French Metriacanthosaurus

[ivory elm]

endoceras is what you mean.

im only thinking this because i want to model a valid giant orthocone that isnt teeny tiny

[gray zealot]

as i said there's cranial material that either is or is very similar to metriacanthosaurus

[stable sun]

Metriacanthosaurus doesn't have cranial material

[gray zealot]

Vaches Noires of Marnes de Dives

has cranial material that is Metria itself, or is something very similar

[stable sun]

I'm aware of that but the authors don't refer the skull material to anything beyond Allosauroidea indet.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359437913_New_data_on_the_theropod_diversity_from_the_Middle_to_Late_Jurassic_of_the_Vaches_Noires_cliffs_Normandy_France

[mortal fossil]

Yeah that’s the one
I forgot which ice cream cone

[sullen cairn]

autapomorphies: from europe

[stable sun]

It doesn't say it is Metriacanthosaurus though.

@mortal fossil the material was never considered to be Metriacanthosaurus and the referral of it to Metria is based on nothing

[gray zealot]

everyone knows all of europe is actually france

[mortal fossil]

Someone above literally posted why it is Metriacanthosaurus, even Dan Folkes acknowledges it

[sullen cairn]

much like how cm 9401 is a mcraeensis paratype because lancian composited it into his mcraeensis skull

[mortal fossil]

Eu-tapomorphies

[fossil ingot]

Dan says is not Metri
He says its Similar to Sinraptor Donji, which is why they used it
Since they tend to remain the head shape consistant

[sullen cairn]

this is still really funny btw like he absolutely did not need to do that

[stable sun]

Dan Folkes never said it is Metriacanthosaurus. And I don't see anyone above explaining why it's Metriacanthosaurus.

[fossil ingot]

Cooler Metri

[halcyon cobalt]

It’s an honour to be listed in place of actual palaeontologists

[mortal fossil]

Yeah and what Metri we have in Europe
Sinraptor or Metri?

It really isn’t rocket science

Metri is in Europe
Metri skull is WILDELY accepted to be reconstructed off of Sinraptor

Sinraptor-like skull from Europe, which sure we don’t have skull materials from Metri itself there but suspiciously aligns with a Metri range

It was basically saying it’s Metri without saying it’s Metri

[mortal fossil]

Sinraptor jumpscare

[fossil ingot]

8.5m and 2236kgs

[sullen cairn]

some may point out shaximiao having at least like three metriacanthosaurs but doesn't autapomorphies: from europe sound so much nicer

[halcyon cobalt]

W toes?

[mortal fossil]

Mods ban this person they are posting feet

(This is a joke)

[fossil ingot]

You do know that doesn't Confirm is Metri tho??
Not even Dan said its Definietly Metri
It can be another Metriacanthosur

[gray zealot]

i never wanna open a chat to "w toes" ever again

[stable sun]

You do realize that this isn't good logic

Geographical characters aren't good. Tyrannosaurus isn't closer to Daspletosaurus than to Tarbosaurus even though both are from North America and Tarbosaurus is from Asia.

There can be multiple species and genera of closely related taxa from one continent

We have like 5 different Metriacanthosaurids from China for example

[mortal fossil]

You do realise Europe has infinitely worse dinosaur biodiversity than China or USA

Like that logic extrapolation really doesn’t work whatsoever

[fossil ingot]

Not even Dan Himself Added that/said Material to his Metriachanthosaurus Skeletal😭.
Wonder why

[sullen cairn]

because of societal pressures torvo cant call the 3 other crummy tetanurans definitive metriacanthosaurs and is forced to change 8 to 5

[gray zealot]

given the entire point was 'the material is used for metriacanthosaurus to help fill it in', and it has indeed been used as such, this feels like its going off course

[halcyon cobalt]

seriously though are they good or bad. (nothronychus btw)

[gray zealot]

went into semantics rather than the actual point

[fluid inlet]

Carcharodontosauria indet victims

[mortal fossil]

This chat strawmanning over if an European metriacanthosaur is part of Metriacanthosaurus reconstructions and size estimates

All while everyone here supporting 5 tons Sucho which is based on nothing 😂

[gray zealot]

silence, do not summon the all mighty one

[fossil ingot]

5 tons Sucho is based on Sereno's Scan, Dan's Skeletal and Hartman's Skeletal

[stable sun]

Europe has multiple Megalosaurid species from the same time period. Dubreuillosaurus, Poekilopleuron and Megalosaurus are all the same age.

[mortal fossil]

Nothing about those skeletals confirms 5 tons

They are skeletals and not peer reviewed size estimates

We even have a paper that DIRECTLY debunks 5 tons Sucho

[stable sun]

no that was because i was at first supposed to type "8 different Metriacanthosaurids from Asia for example" but then thought Asia is kinda too big and changed it to China but didn't change the number

[sullen cairn]

oh even better

but yeah europe can feasibly have more than one theropod of a given clade at any given point in time

[stable sun]

Eustreptospondylus, Piveteausaurus and Wiehenvenator are also the same age

[fossil ingot]

Girl
I wanted a Laugh, I think you should talk to me all days to do so
Cause damn I just laughed hard

How tf did we went from Metri to Sucho☠️

[gray zealot]

metri's godly presence was too much, we had to downgrade to sucho just to counterbalance

[mortal fossil]

Not to mention Sucho has the height of a Daschhund with the depth of a paperclip

If Sucho is 5 tons when nothing about its skeletal or taxonomy changed then by that logic Pete III is 6 tons now because of Cope or other imaginary reasons

I really want to see who and how ended up with 5 tons Sucho when all actual size estimates for, including Scott Hartman himself puts it at like 3600-4200kg

I can see 4500kg if Sereno actually changed something drastic

5000kg is a gigantic pull of a donkey if you understand what I mean

[fossil ingot]

Saying Sucho is a Downgrade is Crazy

[stiff osprey]

the only papers that 'debunk' 5 tonne suchomimus are those using femoral allometry, which are the same papers where spinosaurus weighs 1 ton

[stable sun]

Camp's theropod is actually a 8 t Metriacanthosaurus

[sullen cairn]

srumis saying gurl was absolutely not something i expected to hear this morning

[stable sun]

Btw there's nothing that proves this idea is wrong

[gray zealot]

its skull looks like a dill pickle held to a bike frame and the spine looks like its gonna snap on the center of mass

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes
The 12.14m Long Animal is 3600kgs

[sullen cairn]

embrace the system

[mortal fossil]

Then what is the actual proof of it though

I yet to see actual evidence other than random discord users dogpiling the number because Sucho is criminally overrated

[fossil ingot]

Dw Lads
Sucho is Definietly a Stick

[stiff osprey]

you can just take sereno 2024's multiview of the scanned skeleton and measure the volume yourself, I'm sure if someone got in contact with Sereno and asked directly for their 3d model's mass they also would get it close to 5t

[gray zealot]

sucho looks like a Yak-38 and if you know you know

[stable sun]

How big would it be if you scale it using a human

[sullen cairn]

do you think i have human femur shaft diameters at the ready

[mortal fossil]

Did you seriously use length as a justification

also that skeletal looks wrong on so many levels

[fossil ingot]

Def a Stick

@mortal fossil you do know thats DAN'S Sucho right????
Based on Sereno's Scans?

[stiff osprey]

it's the preserved remains of suchomimus, 3D scanned by Paul Sereno and team in a peer reviewed paper (Sereno et al 2024)

[fossil ingot]

How does it look Wrong😭

[mortal fossil]

Can you post access to said paper

[stiff osprey]

or was it sereno 2023 i forgot

[stable sun]

https://elifesciences.org/articles/80092

Randomdinos it was 2022

[calm agate]

mfw I had to go verify this as I did not have any recollection of this models volume

[mortal fossil]

Well access as like link
If it’s paid it’s paid, I just want to see the actual source instead of Sucho fans hearsay and you are trustable

[gray zealot]

wouldn't it be trustworthy

[stable sun]

I just linked it

[stiff osprey]

apparently my sense of time is more distorted than I thought
but yeah it's the one torvo just posted

[fossil ingot]

Prob

[sullen cairn]

a bit over 500x the mass of an average human

[mortal fossil]

The hips from the upper view really do not look like previous Suchomimus skeletals or reconstructions

[stable sun]

How

[gray zealot]

i'd intervene but i started ignoring suchomimus in 2020 and it feels like the world is better for it

[mortal fossil]

Stop being a Ben Shapiro and mass pinging trying to mud a point when I am talking to someone who has actual points and knowledge, thanks

[stable sun]

😭

[stiff osprey]

I mean she's right about that part
suchomimus has a terrible description so any skeletals prior to the actual scans of the material would be unreliable

[fossil ingot]

Me knowledge?
Nah, I am just a Guys that gathers Info and saves it
Torvo knows more than me

[sullen cairn]

despite what some say suchomimus isnt really problematic if you dont like jurassic park and dont care if its 4t or 5t and also dont care about cristatusaurus because its kind of annoying

[stable sun]

Well yeah but it is a taxon described by Sereno what did you expect

[halcyon cobalt]

anything I should change abt these nothro feet?

[stable sun]

I think she meant randomdinos

[fossil ingot]

Dan's earlier Sucho before Sereno's Scans was weird lol

[sullen cairn]

this is why kryptops is the best sereno taxon because its so inconceivably terrible it really doesnt matter how well described it is or isnt

[stiff osprey]

well i didn't expect a 2 t upsize

[stable sun]

well i was moreso talking about description issues

[stable sun]

one maxilla, amazing

[stiff osprey]

imagine if every Sereno taxon actually got a 2 t upsize thus making Eoraptor the most obese animal of all time

[sullen cairn]

how did we get to suchomimus anyways i thought we were arguing about frenchiacanthosaurs

[mortal fossil]

I saw that skeletal but it didn’t really look that different from previous estimates, I will need to reread the paper then

[fossil ingot]

Idk
Vanessa was making fun of 5t Sucho

[gray zealot]

i'm the only confirmed metriacanthosaurus from france

[stable sun]

well Erectopus is a possible Metriacanthosaur from France but it's also Albian

[sullen cairn]

erectopus is also from the cretaceous

[mortal fossil]

ERECTOPUS MENTIONED

Peak animal

[stable sun]

in fact it is from the middle Cretaceous in terms of age it's comparable to Suchomimus

[fossil ingot]

Tf is that

[gray zealot]

i remember mistaking erectopus for a megalosaur when i was playing pot and had to pause for like 30 minutes only to realize it was 2 AM and I hadn't slept the night before

[sullen cairn]

the name's actually not that funny because it actively detracts from how superbus is funnier

[stable sun]

dinosaur from cretaceous

[mortal fossil]

This is exactly what every Paleontologists said ever since it was discovered

We don’t even have an agreement on which family

[mortal fossil]

I for one welcome our chubby overlord

[stable sun]

Well it seems to be a Tetanuran

[mortal fossil]

Tetanuran is an order of superfamily tho? (Forgot which)

[sullen cairn]

as usual i am ecstatic i'm not a european

[halcyon cobalt]

french*

[stable sun]

It's not a ranked clade

Also not every dinosaur is a member of a family

[mortal fossil]

I meant family as like
Allosauridae, Megalosauridae, etc

[mortal fossil]

Damn
Cows didn’t even evolve yet, but the dad went to get the milk anyway

[mortal fossil]

What do you mean
This goes unbelievably hard

Dinosaur on a millitary shield symbol

Actual peak

[stable sun]

Asfaltovenator, Eotyrannus, Sinosaurus, Eoabelisaurus, Fukuiraptor, Pelecanimimus etc. aren't members of any family

[gray zealot]

gonna put a cetio on my mq-9

[sullen cairn]

that would indeed be cool if they didnt just take the first google images result for their local dinosaur and make it a silhouette

[gray zealot]

i mean i have literally no idea what i'll have in armee de l'air since i gotta wait 2 weeks but im sure i can put a dinosaur on it

[mortal fossil]

But yeah thank you, I wasn’t aware the entire skeletal was changed from the ground up by the person who described it in the first place

I was familiar with the more stick skeletals so it was really

1 skeletal vs like 5 and it looked incredibly wrong based on said knowledge

I will give the paper a read and check those measurements

[gray zealot]

shlong sucho is cursed

[mortal fossil]

Better than SuchObese imo

[gray zealot]

it ain't a crocodile mimic its a whole ass pasta noodle mimic

[stable sun]

My honest reaction (skeletal by Gunnar Bivens)

[gray zealot]

"where do you work out"
"the torture stretcher"

[mortal fossil]

I mean the JP ERECTOPUS looks cool so

[mortal fossil]

Why not Ampelo or Mogolo

[fossil ingot]

Give bro its proper Neck

[gray zealot]

as much as i'd love to put megelo, megala is too connected with britain