paleontology

[outer tusk]

thanks I was just doing a lineart for it like the others

[manic grail]

Why do so many people think trex wins against 2 spinos

[tough parcel]

Cause it would

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-transformers-dark-of-the-moon-bumblebee-soundwave-gif-27397001

[steady rock]

im gonna ask you because you seem like you would, do you have a nanotyrannus skeletal?

[tough parcel]

No 🥀none yet

[steady rock]

i wonder what its skeletal would look like if it was a Alioramini

let me rewrite this

would its overall size be different if it was a Alioramini?

[stable sun]

No we have fairly complete Nanotyrannus skeletons

[steady rock]

oh

[fluid inlet]

Gomez victim

[steady rock]

do we know enough about it where we could like, put it in the family tree? thingy

[fluid inlet]

Tarbo 👑

[primal ice]

Omg gorgeous

[stable sun]

Assuming it is valid, near Alioramini but not in Alioramini

[light osprey]

Surely that’s not Tarbosaurus

[light osprey]

Well I can’t be surprised they’ve completely butchered the setting

[fluid inlet]

na, the artwork is pretty neat all around.

[primal ice]

Just because tarbo lives, in a desert doesn't mean tree's dont grow their.

[light osprey]

Tarbosaurus wasn’t found in a desert

[fluid inlet]

i guess tarbosaurus was just limited to the area it was found at ? lol

[light osprey]

Well this is a humid tropical coast, not an environment found anywhere in Eastern Asia during the Maastrichtian, but you can say it’s not impossible

[fluid inlet]

fact check big bro

[primal ice]

^

[steady rock]

please tell me hes wrong, i'll laugh my ass off

actually, it could snow in negment, it was seasonal??

[primal ice]

Yes he Is lol and possibly

[light osprey]

This would be a really incomplete picture of the Nemegt, as yes the mean annual precipitation was around 800mm but it was very seasonal in both its precipitation and temperature. It’s also continental deposition not coastal, and very much not tropical

[steady rock]

you just agreed with him tho

[compact leaf]

humid ≠ tropical

[primal ice]

No i agreed it possible it could snow it snows in desert today rare bur possible

[fluid inlet]

"dominated by deserts" @zealous ravine you got a ruler on this

[steady rock]

not all deserts are tropical

[zealous ravine]

The setting isn’t quite right. Ironically it would probably be more appropriate for rex. That being said, it’s not impossible that tarbo ranged all the way to the coast, just not likely

[light osprey]

Probably technically inappropriate for where we’ve found tyrannosaurus, as there’s no evidence of Cocoseae in both southern and central Laramidia

[zealous ravine]

Nemegt was not a desert, that was Djadochta. It was a forested area with lots of marshes and other wetland environments that may have experienced seasonal snowfall

[compact leaf]

non tropical deserts are a thing, some of them are even seasonally humid

[steady rock]

did they make snowmen or snowdinos

[primal ice]

Not to mention rain

[zealous ravine]

I have heard that it was actually rather arid as well, I’ll need to find the source for that though. It definitely wasn’t tropical regardless.

[light osprey]

Though I won’t discount the humid gulf region might’ve had some tyrant lizards

[zealous ravine]

The part of Mongolia where tarbo lived was very close to the North Pole in fact, closer than it is now

[fluid inlet]

these dinosaurs aren't subjected to one environment, they thrive in certain environments but they were very capable. I don't think its unlikely that Tarbosaurus would be all the way at the coast , just a rare occasion is all. However the artwork is 10/10 regardless.

[zealous ravine]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was, but even then the coast would not have looked like this, as it would have been pretty high in latitude. Artwork is great, setting is just a little eh

[brazen musk]

did dinosaurs really have such weak bones or is this just path of titans being path of titans

[steady rock]

well is it weak bones or is it a 5 ton animal falling from like, 10 feet to the ground

[brazen musk]

that is not ten feet😭

[primal ice]

Tarbo won't need the coast if it did probably be for food I think of tarbo went to the coast probably be for food or matting idk dinosaur behavior but the picture shows more of sand background just trees and stuff looks like it's in a oasis area kinda like Al-Ahsa Oasis that a real place huge oasis

[steady rock]

15 feet 🥺

[brazen musk]

8.12831 actaully 🤓

[steady rock]

if u round that you get to 10

[zealous ravine]

Interestingly on the note of Tarbo and deserts. It has been proposed that the Djadochta and Nemegt formations were coeval (existed at the same time), just representing different environments. If this were the case it’s certainly possible that Tarbo could have been present in a desert environment, the issue is just that Djadochta tends to favor preservation of smaller creatures. That being said, there also seems to be a clear split between the two in terms of local fauna (ceratopsians being present in one but not the other for example), so it’s also entirely possible that Tarbo wasn’t suited for a more desert like environment and would have avoided it, perhaps because it wasn’t adapted to the temperatures or because there wasn’t enough large prey present.

[brazen musk]

no u get like 82

[steady rock]

how do you get 82]

[brazen musk]

yeah me too honestly

[steady rock]

?

[fluid inlet]

i mean that makes sense , there is a reason why there is no big predators today even for our standards in modern times being in desert environments. the occasions do happen for whatever reason where big predators happen to be strolling by.

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, though worth noting that doesn’t necessarily hold true for dinosaurs. Giganotosaurus for example was I believe known from an environment that’s primarily desert

[primal ice]

Have people forget about oasis like a huge oasis

[fluid inlet]

always exceptions, the way i see it.. is if Lama's can adapt to this environment so can dinosaurs. Im not going to pretend to be some expert in desert life because im not but surely lamas have predators that are not just humans in these environments.

[zealous ravine]

I believe it’s thought that something of the sort was present in Djadochta, but again it likely wouldn’t have this sort of tropical foliage

[manic grail]

Yea in ark for example we see giganotosaurus in different biomes

[primal ice]

Ik but back then foliage was different then today is

[zealous ravine]

Yes, but by the maastrichtian it would be fair to say that it would have been fairly similar. Not to mention the plants we have from that time and place tend to be more conifers and deciduous trees as opposed to palms and tree ferns

[zealous ravine]

Don’t use ark as a reference lmao

[fluid inlet]

love this artwork from mark witton

[primal ice]

Ik but not all of them surely theirs... idk what to say um even if it looks like today theirs probably a plant we haven't discovered yet that lives in deserts of some type idk idk what I type tbh

[manic grail]

Its way more accurate. Why use skeletal fragments when you have access to dinosaurs with all their soft tissue and stuff. We also get to see how they behave

[steady rock]

i cant interefere, this must happen

[primal ice]

Any way how accurate is prehistoric kingdoms baby raptors

[steady rock]

in america, whats bigger, torvosaurus or allosaurus?

[topaz shell]

Depends on the species of allo

[steady rock]

idk which species 😢

[fluid inlet]

let us not start another war between Torvo and Allo, we have had enough of that recently. 😅

[topaz shell]

A. Fragilis is smaller than T. Tanneri while A. Anax is bigger

(I’m pretty sure)

[stiff osprey]

unless you count epanterias and the NMMNH indeterminate thing as fragilis, yes

[fluid inlet]

we counting things that are not certain ?

[stable sun]

Aren't tanneri and anax practically identical in size? Largest known specimens at least, since the Dry Mesa ~9 m Torvosaurus is adult.

[stiff osprey]

given that the largest anax is ~4.8t using femoral allometry I'd assume it would be heavier than ''edmarka'' but yeah fair enough

[stable sun]

Isn't "Edmarka" 5.2 t?

[stiff osprey]

4.8 t using more elvis-like proportions

[stable sun]

Undescribed specimen

[spice snow]

Allosaurus

[stable sun]

Not really, they're roughly equal

[spice snow]

In Portugal, it's torvosaurus

[tough parcel]

(It wasn't)

[spice snow]

Isn't allosaurus europaeus smaller than A. fragilis?

[stable sun]

Well that's true. However US largest Torvosaurus specimens are comparable or slighty larger than largest Portuguese Torvosaurus specimens

[spice snow]

A. Jimadensii was from China, right? I never got to find out

[stable sun]

US, Morrison formation

[steady rock]

yes it was there on vaccation

[manic grail]

I can bite through chicken bone so i might be able to bite through trex bone

[hallow spear]

the femur is A. sp 🤓

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/fossilcrates/status/1885408097398911031?s=46 “ I simply disagree” lol

Fossil Crates 🦖🦕 (@Fossilcrates) on X

Snax!
Yes I used #Saurophaganax. Yes I read Danison e.a.’s great paper, I simply disagree with the holotype assessment. There is a CT plan to put my thoughts to the test, stay tuned!

Want #Allosaurus anax? This ~36’ skeleton is ready to be displayed!

#FossilFriday #FossilCrates

X · Jan 31, 2025, 7:21 PM

[stable sun]

Like almost every Allosaurus is A. sp. tbh

[vapid lotus]

i can't see the message it is replying to, what is it?

[vapid lotus]

thanks

[wind prairie]

I don't think any baby velociraptors are known, but this looks about like what we'd imagine

[frigid delta]

nah i'm talkin abt the dino
i hate Baryonyx

[steady rock]

why

[frigid delta]

idk hated it since knowing it in day one

[keen forum]

damn.... its based on hartmans spino and has a round sail.... crap

[outer tusk]

EW

[fossil ingot]

Round sail isn't bad tbh
I like both sails

[keen forum]

round sail is pretty eh, and from what we have its more than likely M shape i don't get why everyone tries to make it round

[outer tusk]

Not accurate = bad

[fossil ingot]

Tbh both are decent to use
We don't have a Definitive Shape tmk.
M having a more posibility is fine, won't make it definitive tmk
I like the shape in Dan's Spino cause its Round

[fossil ingot]

I like Dan's Spino
Cute Fella

[keen forum]

the og spino more than likely had a M shape and it seems that the new lad as well also has a M shape, the round one just seems off

[outer tusk]

idk if that's round

[fossil ingot]

Kinda
Not an M but also not fully round

[fossil ingot]

Is the first Pic the New Lad?
With the New Skull and Legs?

[keen forum]

Randoms seems to have the best sail so far, Also that is the new lad he's showing off and judging by whats on the floor and next to him it has most of the sail with like 3 or so bones missing ( might have to wait till the paper comes out but thats just a guess from what it looks like )

[fossil ingot]

Tmk the New Lads
Were around 3 Specimens

[fluid inlet]

2025 theropods looking like unicorns

[fossil ingot]

Are we sure he is showing off the New Spinosaurine?

[sudden wind]

It isn't that they are weak boned : it is that they are heavy animals (as heavy as god damn fricking elephants) and they fall from small 1 floor house sized height.

[keen forum]

he's showing off the new spinosaurus specimen not the new spinosaurine

[fossil ingot]

Sad then

[fossil ingot]

Wait we have a New Big Spino?
Thats not a Jaw Bone like MSNM and NHMUK?

[fluid inlet]

Na this is great

[keen yew]

What's the estimated size of this guy?

[fossil ingot]

Likely around same as NHMUK and MSNM
Give or take 8 tons

[opaque kayak]

Nah we don't

[fossil ingot]

[sterile trail]

Will we ever get a paper on that new Spinosaurine?

[stable sun]

That neural spine

[sterile trail]

Personally, I like calling it the "Scimitar Spino"

[hardy sentinel]

Is Dakotaraptor AT THIS VERY MOMENT valid?

[halcyon cobalt]

spinosaurus explodingus

[opaque kayak]

Da what?

(I'm so curious)

[flat pond]

Might have an alternate sail. This is just a teaser, besides it’s not a bad sail design

[opaque kayak]

Looks a bit more like Dan's spino, looking at the crest

[stable sun]

Literally look a few messages above you

[opaque kayak]

Oh that is just a cast, isn't it?

[warped peak]

At what point is a yell/scream considered a roar?

[fluid inlet]

Never

[thorn grove]

how many grains of sand before it's a heap?

[warped peak]

Guess no animals Roar then

[thorn grove]

only glorious übertier mammals can roar

[warped peak]

Thats fair, but at what point is it considered a roar?

[thorn grove]

idk, what I was referring to here is how language is often arbitrary with no perfect definitions, it's not like there's an exact grain requirement before it becomes a heap of sand and there's no decibel requirement for when it becomes a roar. It's a heap when it feels like a heap, and it's a roar when it feels like a roar.

[warped peak]

Thats fair, however AFAIK there is a physiological difference between a roar and another sound, but I don't know what it is

Look at Lions and Pumas

[thorn grove]

from what I found the epihyal bone in their larynx is lost and replaced by a ligament, allowing a deeper sound, but it prevents them from purring and making other continuous sounds

that said I wouldn't necessarily take that as a definite distinction between "can roar" and "can't roar" since other animals can make very deep vocalizations for other physiological reasons, again it's largely arbitrary

[fluid inlet]

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/dinosaurs/mexidracon-longimanus?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1uYKmxvyUsehM8ch1VnND9gZmF1SQIIAg7RcNlyEHuN6rb_X8XD6YJ-iI_aem_ay1hr7_2TGlYNDfbYOTofQ T. rex could never.

[zenith rose]

Where did you find this image of me

[fossil ingot]

The Cooler Guy

[dim roost]

anyone know how walking with dinosaurs was animated? or atleast the style of animation

[spice snow]

Animatronics and cgi

[dim roost]

i know that lmao

but how was it animated

[drifting arch]

Aight so I just witnessed on Facebook 10 adults fighting over the size of carnivore Apex skulls. All these guys are stating that Tyrannosaurus Rex had a boulder-sized head which would make Spinosaurus only have the skull size of a car tire, and therefore would have a smaller brain. Would someone like to take a crack at this?

Basically the people in question are trying to say all other Apex carnivores outside of Tyrannosaurus Rex are stupid

[dim roost]

right well first of all, dumbass thing to argue about. second a spino's skull is larger than a human and a rexes skull. but the rex has a more powerful bite and would easily kill the spino

[drifting arch]

Like how do we actually determine the intelligence of a creature based on the skull? I know size does somewhat matter, but I thought it was the sophistication of the cranial chamber's design that determined most of that, especially in dinosaurs.

[dim roost]

no spieces of animal is dumber or smarter, they know what they need to know. and the brain size is determined by the space within the skull. but that doesnt determine intelligence

[drifting arch]

This is the image they used in the debate for reference, they're saying because of sheer size, Rex is smarter. but then they say spinosaurus was a derp, like....what???

[dim roost]

they are just a bunch of bone heads who are fan girling over their favourite dino

[drifting arch]

Right, don't we have to look at other aspects of fossils when determining the creature's sophistication then? Claws, body length and posture, horns, things like that?

[dim roost]

that doesnt determine intelligence?

[drifting arch]

I'm just so dumbfounded on how people think the thickness of a skull or size of it automatically determines whose got the best IQ in dinosaurs, but now I actually want to know how do our paleontologists actually go about discovering what makes a dinosaur truly sophisticated in its own habitat structure?

Basically, how do we discover the intelligence of a dinosaur? That's what I'm trying to figure out here.

[dim roost]

well personally id say we cant figure out how smart they are but the scientists say otherwise.. they compare modern animals and look at the size of the brain

[drifting arch]

Hmmm, well if that's the case, what modern day animal would you compare similarities to with the Tyrannosaurus Rex?

[dim roost]

a chicke-. i wouldnt compare it i dont think, id look at how it hunted and killed its prey. and how it survived its enviroment

[outer tusk]

Is there a intelligence debate on extinct animals happening

[little mauve]

It's brain is very similar to an alligators both in structure and relative size, which is true for large theropods in general

[dim roost]

ha 💸 haha 💸 hahahha 💸📊📈📈📊

[drifting arch]

That's a pretty fair point, but then why do I see so many paleontology discussions of Tyrannosaurus Rex compare it to a lion? I'm genuinely curious.

[little mauve]

Humans naturally have a bias towards mammals

[drifting arch]

fair enough

[halcyon cobalt]

no not really, since brains ofc don’t fossilize and you can’t tell how powerful a brain is just from the brain case

[dim roost]

because the lion has the strongest bite in the world but trex had the strongest all round

[drifting arch]

oh sorry I should've specified what I meant there. I heard a discussion once that if there were more segments in the cranial case, that mean there was more likely brain activity that demanded a higher intelligence. I'm not sure if that is a thing or not, I will never claim to be an expert.

[drifting arch]

I thought Deinosuchus or Mosasaurus had the strongest bite universally? I apologize if I sound like a noob with my information, but that's why I seek clarification here from all the smart people.

[little mauve]

Not a thing

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure we can tel basic things like how good something would be at smelling, memory and basic things like that but “intelligence” is hard to define and even harder to test for

[little mauve]

Look into paleoneurology and endocast studies if you're interested, there's a lot to learn still but we know some surprising stuff

[dim roost]

i think its around the same, but since rex is popular everyone uses it. also dw you dont sound nooby lol. i studied paleontology a bit. hopefully i go to uni for more

[drifting arch]

I appreciate the feedback guys, really do, because I was very confused! I'm not the smartest cookie, but I'm definitely going to look into paleoneurology because that does sound interesting! Also good luck in your studies at university Tom, I wish you the best experiences!

[stable sun]

Largest Spinosaur and Tyrannosaurus skulls are of similar size (~1.45-1.5 m)

[dim roost]

thanks! also i recommend dino101

[round hedge]

Is there any way to measure how strong a spinosaurus swing would be ?

Like how many newtons are packed behind a swing of those massive arms ?

[outer tusk]

there isn't

[frigid delta]

i think what they say is;
Rex: a math professor
Giga: decently good at math
Spino: 1+1=11 (dumbass)

[round hedge]

Nah, he prob thinks 1+1 = 3

11 is two one's, but three isn't related to one whatsoever

(Idk why i tried explaining this in a way that makes sense XD)

Speaking of dino intelligence,

Is stenonychosaurus the smartest dinosaur ?

[small geyser]

Late here but not even close. Lions have 1,000 ibf and jaguars and hippos have more than that.

[round hedge]

How is a croc bite compared to those ?

[small geyser]

Depends on the species but Nile crocs have 2,500 ibf and Saltwaters have 3,700 ibf. Great white sharks have the most of any living animal at an estimated 4,000 ibf

Anyways we should get back onto paleontology topics before the mods bonk us.

[round hedge]

Real

[steep sundial]

would Spinosaurus’s back feet be webbed? Or would it not need webbed claws because of its tail helping it swim

[restive crag]

They wouldve would’ve been webbed

[frigid delta]

intelligence on prehistoric animals are a mess so...

[steep sundial]

Did Deinonychus live in America? By America i mean around Utahraptor, T-rex, most Ceratops. Its for a book im writing where the protagonists are two Deinonychus; and i cant find any info on where they lived

[wraith kindle]

You can’t find where the fossils were found? That’s weird.

[drifting arch]

I really would think so given how it uses its hind legs and tail as propulsion while moving through water.

[steep sundial]

wverytime i looked up info on it it just gave me a list of some other raptors, i found some stuff now tho

[wraith kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus They appeared about 15 million years later, but they do live in the same region. I assume you’re not going to be too strict chronologically.

[steep sundial]

yeah, unfortunately im gonna have to be pretty messy about the timeline of when certain dinosaurs were alive and not alive. Im gonna add notes at the bottom of pages explaining which is fact and which is fiction

[harsh forge]

the lion doesnt have the strongest bite force of all animals

its the salt crocodile

[wraith kindle]

I was gonna say the honey badger.

[stiff osprey]

The only real impressive thing with honey badgers is how thick and loose their skin is, which allows them to survive bites from larger predators

[tranquil quartz]

Honey Badgers probably most glazed animal of all time

They frequently get bodied by leopards and other large animals

[astral spindle]

Universally I'm pretty sure it's Otodus Megalodon

[rancid dove]

Otodus🗿

[astral spindle]

Some say Carcharoles, but most say Otodus

[stable sun]

Otodus megalodon

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyotitan victim

[tulip gyro]

the hell is ibf

[stiff osprey]

interior brocodile faligator

[tulip gyro]

helpful, jaguars aint got shi against caimans🗣️ 🔥

[small geyser]

Ibf is incisor biting force.

[low raven]

Jaguars hunt caimans though

[tulip gyro]

caimans still superior

[astral spindle]

Aren't they both the same size? If so megalodon slams.

[round hedge]

Real

[round hedge]

Depends on the specimens, if both average then it's a bit more fair, but the Aust collosus vs the largest Meg............. Aust collosus was straight up rivalling the blue whale, it's pretty close to its size, but average ichtyotitan........yeah, it's kinda close

[astral spindle]

At the same size Idk if its that fair really, Body slams can hurt yes, but sharks do have excellent senses and reaction time + it would see the icthyosaur as a whale and would proceed to attack the fins and tails.

I've heard that the 120 icthyotitan is sub adult tho (even an adult individual could possible lose)

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/rickraptor105/status/1780691508716269989?s=46

RickRaptor105 (@RickRaptor105) on X

13 year olds on their way to flood every indie dinosaur game's Discord with requests to add Ichthyotitan

X · Apr 17, 2024, 8:15 PM

[round hedge]

Really just depends on how good they could exploit eachother's weaknesses, Meg can bite ichtyotitan's fins and tail, but ichtyotitan can also stab Meg's gills, kinda depends who lands the first hit, If not, then it matters who hit the weakest spot of the other

[astral spindle]

Reasonable, but I'm biased to sharks...... ... So.........il say Megalodon wins .........

[fluid inlet]

We all have a bias towards something. Only human.

[velvet burrow]

Isn't Megalodon, like, hyperspecialized to hunt things like Ichthyotitan?

[round hedge]

That's the same for me, but the opposite, i just don't really like sharks, but ik Meg solos all mosasaurs, pliosaurs and almost every ichtyosaur

[astral spindle]

It knew whale weakness that are similar to icyhysaura

[fluid inlet]

Maybe body similarities but I think we know there’s a huge difference between ichthyosaurs and whales.

[astral spindle]

Ehh i mean If tail and fins gone it's goodnight anyway

[round hedge]

Ichtyotitan, and in fact all ichtyotiosaurs have many small, sharp teeth on their beaks

Wait, are they actually beaks tho ?

Or just spear-like mouths

Aaaaaaaaand, the chat is dead

[quasi token]

not really, most of meg's prey is significantly smaller than itself, not to mention ichthy is likely macropredatory itself based on other giant shastasaurids, combined with it being likely significantly larger than the average meg, yeah no

[astral spindle]

There is evidence of Megalodon demobilising whales

[quasi token]

yes meg did live with other megs, o.chubutensis, and livyatam, but these likely weren't major food sources for said reasons of size + having serious weapons that could fight back and would be the most comprable things to an ichthyotitan it lived with (though ichthy is still very diffrent from all of these for various reasons)

[opaque kayak]

I'm pretty sure shasta didn't

[quasi token]

more spear-like mouths, similiar to what some whales have (like dolphins or beaked whales), some if i remember right also don't have teeth and some also have very large teeth (like temnodontosaurus eurycephalus), so it's pretty varied

[round hedge]

Did it live with brigmophyseter or zygophyseter ?

[astral spindle]

9-15 meter whales (which were significantly lighter)

[opaque kayak]

Ichthyotitan is also absolutely thin in it's jaws

[round hedge]

Dang, bro's mouth is built like a rapier 💀

[astral spindle]

Mikiri counter victim

[fluid inlet]

That’s cap

[quasi token]

uncertain if it's known from the same formation but they are from around the same time at least, and meg is known to have an almost worldwide distribution so they probably did at least in some areas

[opaque kayak]

This idk is why so thick in it's jaws. Ichthyotitan's surangular is ridiculously thin

[round hedge]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[astral spindle]

Whaa?? He looks more than 120 ton

[fluid inlet]

My poor perucetus man

[round hedge]

Perucetus looking like a basilosaurus with type 2 diabetes 🙏😭

[astral spindle]

Who wouldnt nerf a 350 ton kaiju anyway 💀

[round hedge]

Anyways, I'm gonna go to bed bc it's 11 p.m in my time zone

[astral spindle]

Sweet barinasuchus dreams

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-smaller-coach-galen-counter-logic-gaming-a-bit-smaller-minimize-it-gif-19740217

[fluid inlet]

3pm here

[astral spindle]

Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus vs Nizar Ibrahim.

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/pauldelasalle/status/1869439996769567176?s=46

Paul de la Salle (@PauldelaSalle) on X

Here is the holotype surangular specimen of Ichthyotitan alongside the complete skull of Ophthalmosaurus in my garage. I. was a truly massive animal! Don't you just love real fossils like this

X · Dec 18, 2024, 5:50 PM

[opaque kayak]

Nizar with elephant gun mogs

[fluid inlet]

Y’all should be in prison for the war crimes you have committed on perucetus

[scenic flame]

they would be referred to just as snout/mouths, there's nothing beak or spear like about them

[quasi token]

at least in whales the rostrums are sometimes refered to as beaks at least (see, beaked whales)

[scenic flame]

true, but I don't think it's necessary to extend that to ichthyosaurs, not that it makes any sense in the first place imo

[astral spindle]

L Fasolasuchus downsizers.

[fluid inlet]

We own the seas

[opaque kayak]

Perucetus victi- Oh sorry, nvm

[steady rock]

Balaenoptera musculus victims

[halcyon cobalt]

baleen whales are the ocean’s hadrosaurs

[astral spindle]

Foddo-

[halcyon cobalt]

fodder*

[quasi token]

humpback whales: and i took that personally

[fluid inlet]

Does anyone have size comparison of allosaurus and suchomimus ?

[opaque kayak]

I'll make it, what allo species do you want

[fluid inlet]

biggest to biggest so i guess anax

[opaque kayak]

Damn you really want a allo stomp huh

[fossil ingot]

Totally Real

[fossil ingot]

Technically Sucho still the Fatter of the Two

[opaque kayak]

Now we need one with spino and anax (Anax still stomps)

[steady rock]

any american allosaurus out size european torvo?

[fossil ingot]

+8t vs 4.8t
(Unless we use Neotype or Holotype)

[opaque kayak]

Size comp saar?

[frigid delta]

is Udano really this big?

[fossil ingot]

Would have to ask hitman to do so

[opaque kayak]

You know what it's Robust morph time

[frigid delta]

hitman??? 😭😭😭

[fossil ingot]

He helps me with these

[frigid delta]

where gray human?

[steady rock]

is that ur cousins

[opaque kayak]

Anax was downsized right? From 6.5 tons to <5 tons

[fossil ingot]

@opaque kayak yeah, from 12.8m to 11.7m
And from 6.5 to 4.8t

[frigid delta]

mine's gorilla
those orangutans

[opaque kayak]

Man old anax absolutely stomps

[fossil ingot]

Crazy there was still almost a 2 ton difference lol
Spino be funny

[opaque kayak]

TBF that thing's tail is something, like it's thicker then rex's

[fossil ingot]

Puru and Deino victim

[opaque kayak]

Holy christ the tail is 2x the thickness of rex

[fossil ingot]

Both Allo and Spino have Long Tails
Spino is just Built funny with legs

[fossil ingot]

Tbf Rex tail is funny
Pretty sure even Torvo has Thickwe Tail

[opaque kayak]

Even this spino looks like it has a thinner dorsal then the new dorsal

[opaque kayak]

He mogs in everything except for tail

[thorn grove]

why does top down spino almost look like a hadrosaur

[fossil ingot]

The Dorsal isn't new tmk
And Spino has two tail Versions
Thick and Thinner
I actually have a Pic of Random's Model but with Thinnier Tail

[opaque kayak]

Ahh, yeah, that makes sence, but it was lighter then this, with the thinned down one

That being said with the thicker tail it should be adding 500 liters minimum

[fossil ingot]

I forgot's which Spino Skeletal was this, think was Dan's?

[opaque kayak]

Ik this skeletal, let me try to find it. BTW how heavy is this?

[fossil ingot]

Nvm Dan's is this

[opaque kayak]

It's from this btw, looks like a compostie. It must be absolutely huge, given the immense thickness of the dorsal.

[fossil ingot]

Jejeje

[opaque kayak]

I love it when sereno & Manu makes the dorsal of spino wildly thick

[fossil ingot]

Bro used No Cartilage Torvo vs Oversized Cartilage Anax.
Here Carrilage Torvo(red figure)

[opaque kayak]

Damn W, do you have not oversized anax?

[fossil ingot]

Sadly no, but this kinda works??
Anax is the 2nd Largest One

[opaque kayak]

Ahh, nice, hilarious how much OMNH 1188 got downsized

The Morrison

[frigid delta]

where's Cerato, Stego, & other 13927482648731 sauropods???

[opaque kayak]

Anax ate the rest

[frigid delta]

bro thinks he represents Gluttony 💔💔💔

[outer tusk]

who made this, and is this finished ( this looks like PE spino )

[opaque kayak]

It is finished, I just have no idea who made it

[outer tusk]

Btw anyone who's good with soft tissue, did I do this one justice?

[fluid inlet]

this isn't accurate , Anax got that perucetus treatment, and rightfully so!

[opaque kayak]

That's it perucetus'd (granted extra cartilage but pretty much the same)

[broken shale]

I think shrink wrapped dinosaurs are the real deal ngl

[velvet burrow]

THE GOAT

[fluid inlet]

where is redboss i need the random dino questions.

https://x.com/Deform2022/status/1616322520659169280 what?

Deform 2025 (@Deform2022) on X

#FossilFriday CMN 50403, The Giant Moroccan abelisaur. A dorsal vertebra that likely came from a taxon of abelisaur similar to Majungasaurus. It belonged to an individual around 10.7 meters long and not even fully grown. It's constantly overshadowed by the Kenyan Titanovenator.

X · Jan 20, 2023, 6:31 AM

[keen yew]

Another fragmentary giant abeli?

[stable sun]

You see the issue is that 1. It's 9 m 2. There's no reason to consider it not fully grown 3. We can't even tell if it was an animal similar to Majungasaurus

[fluid inlet]

Still pretty big even if adult, so you’re familiar with the specimen then?

[stable sun]

Yes, it's similar in size to the known Pycnonemosaurus specimen and most similar to an Abelisaurid from Libya

[steady rock]

largest morisson therapod?

[fossil ingot]

Pycno Mention

[keen yew]

Sosag pycno is peak

[frigid delta]

what abt a Utahraptor that does a glory kill to its preys?

[drifting arch]

Is that supposed to be a Tyrannosaurid or Megalosaurus? It's hard to tell

[outer tusk]

Ceratosaur, specifically Eoabelisaurus

[drifting arch]

oh wow, I guess Ceratos shared some skull similarities to Tyrannosaurids, is this meant to be the bigger cousin of our current ceratosaurus?

[halcyon cobalt]

bit smaller actually and not closely related. also the progenitor of abelisaurids ( as you might have guessed from the name

[tough parcel]

Me when I lie 🔥

[hallow spear]

ceratosaur not ceratosaurus

[fluid inlet]

thought it was pycno 😭

[hardy sentinel]

Brontosaurus's validity will soon turn 10 this april, who is hyped about that?

[drifting arch]

oh I actually did not recognize that, that's really cool though!

[opaque kayak]

No, we all are antisocial

[stiff osprey]

members active in server
wait a month
look again
members still active in server

how could this happen?

[steady rock]

is this true or did i fall for a lie when i was younger, juvie or ado ( i dont remember which ) trex had the same bite force as a acro?

[quasi token]

yes, i go on about whales instead

[outer tusk]

Does bro not know what paleontology is about

how can talking about dinosaurs get boring?

Yeah

[hardy sentinel]

Bruh I just found out that camels were adapted for COLD CLIMATES at first and basically just lost their heavy fur to live in warmer climates

[halcyon cobalt]

sometimes we talk about megalodon

[thorn grove]

dude comes into chat once a month just to judge us apparently

[fluid inlet]

You in a chat about paleontology in a server based off dinosaurs, they also talk about marine reptiles and I bring up perucetus every 10 seconds.

[open compass]

Dinosaurs are boring?...

[storm merlin]

For months straight… yeah kinda

[open compass]

So if you live for 1 month, will life become boring for you? Dinos are our hobbies
And this is "paleontology" chat, literally chat about prehistoric creatures

[tough parcel]

Evidence of the bait?

[elfin pulsar]

🎷

[fluid inlet]

So bring up a new topic then, on something you’re interested in.. instead of complaining

[thorn grove]

If you think any topic gets boring within a couple months then you heavily underestimate how much there is to learn about our world

Might as well go up to some PhD like “it’s been 20 years and you’re still studying Nuclear Astrophysics?”

[hardy sentinel]

Paleontology chats would get boring if there wasn't so much misinformation correction and new discoveries basically every other day. You guys hear about that new Ornithomimid from Mexico? I think it's called Mexidracon, longest arms relative to body size for Ornithomimosaurs (Excluding the Deinocheirids)

[wraith kindle]

For reaching into burrows maybe?

[tough parcel]

Hands* not arms

[hardy sentinel]

Or for grabbing vegetation, but granted burrow raiding probably wasn't a rare occurrence in Ornithomimids

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it’s pretty cool

[hardy sentinel]

Hands are a part of the arm

Arm refers to the entire upper limb

[tough parcel]

But the only noticeably abnormal thing is the hands…

[hardy sentinel]

Which is a part of the arm...

[tough parcel]

Evidence the Bigfoot should be called the Bigleg?

Like do you see how there’s a difference now

[hardy sentinel]

It could be referred to as such if you are going off of technical naming, but common naming would keep it as bigfoot

[wraith kindle]

Not really, no….

[hardy sentinel]

Still, my point that Mexidracon had big arms is not incorrect, even if the main part was the hands (I'm gonna stubbornly die on this hill because of a technicality that makes me right)

[halcyon cobalt]

Bigfoot was notable for its bigfeet, and it doesn’t have particularly large legs. hence the name Bigfoot

[hardy sentinel]

The point the goofball I replied to was making is that if I can say Mexidracon had big arms, then bigfoot could be called big legs, since the feet are also technically a part of the leg

[wraith kindle]

Hang on, ,I thought Deinocheirus was a therinzosaur?

[storm merlin]

Paleontology isnt just the study of dinosaurs, it may be in the topic but all I see here is dinosaurs, nothing else.

[halcyon cobalt]

you can’t really say mexidragon has big arms if it doesn’t have ( relatively ) big arms

[plucky gyro]

It's an ornithomimosauridae

[tough parcel]

Being technically right doesn’t work in science because then you’re just spreading misinformation hence why papers use very specific names and why the species name longimanus refers to the hands, not arms

[hardy sentinel]

Deinocheirus is an Ornithomimosaur, but convergently evolved similar to the Therizinosaurs

@halcyon cobalt Hands are a part of the arm, and so if the hands are big, so are the arms (I am dying on this hill)

[halcyon cobalt]

you must not look very often then

[honest estuary]

why don’t you suggest something then

[storm merlin]

But everytime I do I see you

[hardy sentinel]

My guy, I am referring to the structure they use to forage for food, which is the arm, the name does not matter when it comes to skeletal terms, the hands are a subsection of the arm so technically they had long arms

[halcyon cobalt]

your point being?

[tough parcel]

This is why you see regulars in the chat, Lil p

Like you are seeing the reason in action LMAO

[thorn grove]

No I’m saying Dinosaurs are a topic in Paleontology just like Nuclear Astrophysics is a topic in physics

You’re being very judgmental and quite frankly rude towards other people’s interests for absolutely no reason

[halcyon cobalt]

probably because they said that spinosaurus was larger than T rex and got ganged up on by everyone or something like that 5 months ago

You literally were arguing about that though

[wraith kindle]

Then why are you even in here?

[tribal sandal]

A general and friendly reminder to please remain polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users while in conversation. Refer to our ⁠rules - there will be no further warnings.

Please also remember to keep this chat to paleo topics only.

[wraith kindle]

Let’s just talk about fossils and ignore this guy.

[honest estuary]

censorship at its finest folks XDDD

[restive crag]

Yall are getting ragebaited

[hardy sentinel]

deletes our valid points and memes

Doesn't delete the guy antagonizing us's comments

Does nothing else

Leaves

[fluid inlet]

Troll lol

[opaque kayak]

Gonna be deleted now + You know what, he is a troll. Last time he was the guy yapping about why spino is somehow larger because it was more denser

[storm merlin]

Idk why he deleted my message too but the meme was funny man 😔

[honest estuary]

well yeah it’s fun lol

[wraith kindle]

^

[restive crag]

True

[restive crag]

Just gonna put this thang in here to plug

[opaque kayak]

Giant meekorum, huh, nice. I wonder what would happen if we did this with sachi

[hardy sentinel]

I love this legendary being (watch the mods delete it even though this image shows a turning point in paleontology)

[honest estuary]

oh god

[restive crag]

Is sachi holotype subadult?

[storm merlin]

You know what I was wrong dinosaurs are cool and you guys can talk all you want :)(please don’t mute me mods)

[opaque kayak]

It could be, but it's also somewhat dubious

[hardy sentinel]

Live dinosaur reaction

[storm merlin]

Hehe big ape

[restive crag]

I could beat it in a fight

[opaque kayak]

Hehe Imperiospinus

[storm merlin]

More big ape

[wraith kindle]

I call bs, lol

[restive crag]

Fix this

[hardy sentinel]

I bet they would look cooler in this cowboy outfit than fighting

[opaque kayak]

Ahem 100 percent accurate

[storm merlin]

Woah shimp

[hardy sentinel]

What if Gigantopithecus just had a big head and a tiny body, considering we just have it's teeth and a jaw

[wraith kindle]

I thought you were utterly uninterested?

Anyway, would gigantopithecus even be able to stand upright?

[fluid inlet]

Didn’t this thing get nerfed

[hardy sentinel]

Depends if it stayed more similar to Orangutans or evolved convergently with the knuckle walking apes, but considering the size it's unlikely it could stand upright without holding onto something

[storm merlin]

Gigantopithicus is an ape so it’s likely that it could, but only for short periods of time

[wraith kindle]

Yea, but at that size?

[hardy sentinel]

Most likely not, Orangutans can only be upright for a short amount of time otherwise they have to hold onto something, but seeing as Gigantopithecus lived a very different lifestyle they most likely walked more quadrupedally

[storm merlin]

Contradicting myself, the closest relative to it is an orangutang

[hardy sentinel]

I'd personally imagine that they would walk more on their palms given it's unlikely for knuckle walking to evolve 3 times in the apes seperately

[fluid inlet]

It’s not that big

[hardy sentinel]

How were you contradicting yourself? Orangutans are apes

[storm merlin]

Ahhh shi im stupid

[wraith kindle]

Still had a very different lifestyle.

@sir.spicyy Might have developed in a common ancestor? Orangutans are more arboreal though.

[hardy sentinel]

Very subjective depending on the study, kinda hard to base size with teeth (looking at every troodontid ever)

@wraith kindle knuckle walking is an independently evolved trait in apes, so Chimps and Gorillas evolved knuckle walking independently of each other and even walk on their knuckles in different ways

[wraith kindle]

Oh yea, ok.

[storm merlin]

Kinda sad how it died from lack of adaptation to environment, poor guy had to live off twigs to survive.

[hardy sentinel]

Kinda what happens when you become a specialist, good thing most apes are generalists and are less likely to suffer from the same fate

[storm merlin]

If only we had Steve Irwin back then and set everything good

[wraith kindle]

And humans are like the generalist specialist.

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ayo-bro-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-soinc-old-sonic-mania-gif-25874592

[frigid delta]

what abt this kind of strength on Mapu? (& other sauropods hunter)

[wind prairie]

no (WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS THIS SLOW MODE why did they bring it back UP AAAGHH)

[clear knot]

i can only imagine them adding a suplex animation to the large predators

[frigid delta]

nah
Doom Berserk Pack

[fluid inlet]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/alaska-s-polar-bear-lizard-is-the-tiny-t-rex-of-the-ancient-arctic/ar-AA1yfNPW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=662b4788eb194282965dcfcd306df1b3&ei=11 2025 and this is still happening lol

[frigid delta]

Nanuq?
what abt it?

[fluid inlet]

throwing t rex in every title

[astral spindle]

Bro is NOT Deviljho 💀🙏

[wind prairie]

I mean it is sort of valid in this case
nanuq is a tyrannosaurine I think (at least, a tyrannosaurid)

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but it's "This was T-Rex but different!" In every title for clicks is horrid

[tough parcel]

Evidence that’s how online articles work and generate revenue? More likely than you think!

[errant juniper]

How fast was dunk after the size nerf??

[opaque kayak]

Shastasaurus sikkaniensis by Fabio Alejandro

Shonisaurus popularis

Megaichthyosaurs

[quasi token]

Himalayasaurus tibetensis

Temnodontosaurus trigonodon, potential upper size limit based on fragments + Rutland Sea Dragon (largest complete individual, still waiting on full description)

[halcyon cobalt]

edmontosaurus victims

[river plinth]

Both are micro raptor fodder

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia victims

[quasi token]

livyatan victims fr

actually besides ichthy and aust they probably would be unironcally but they didn't coexist so no need to worry thankfully

[halcyon cobalt]

livyatan victims including ichthy, aust and Triassic kraken for good measure

[astral spindle]

Shantungosaurus victim

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/nobrejuanart/status/1881001748405657824?s=46

Juan Nobre (@NobreJuanArt) on X

A Magnapaulia taking a look at you...

X · Jan 19, 2025, 3:32 PM

[astral spindle]

Is Magna over 17+ tonnes?

[stable sun]

Nope, 10-11

[stable sun]

The largest grey one doesn't exist

[fluid inlet]

Source?

[stable sun]

it's the same specimen as LACM 17707

[fluid inlet]

🤨

[stable sun]

LACM 26757 is also a partial right humerus bone look at the image you sent yourself

Or I don't know, the description of the image on deviantart

LACM 17707 and 26757 were later confirmed to be the same individual

[outer tusk]

^

[fluid inlet]

Where’s the link 🔗

[outer tusk]

😭 you have the image but don't know the original link

[drifting arch]

That’s just funny

[drifting arch]

It sadly happens a lot in PoT discords and the subreddit, and I don’t know why people are just so petty and hateful. I do have a question though. What bone is most utilized to get most of our paleontology information concerning different species? I heard someone say it was the teeth.

[fluid inlet]

How’s the pycno sketch going

[frigid delta]

idk man Theropods x Doom Berserk Pack seems like an absolute killing machine to me

[drifting arch]

I mean don’t get me wrong, I think dinosaurs like Mapusaurus and Majungasaurus are really cool, but the picture tickled me.

The picture does bring up an excellent point that in how carnivores had strength but chose unique ways to taking down prey. I’m still of the belief that Allosaurus as a pack pounced on sauropods to inflict gashes by biting and raking their toe claws.

[outer tusk]

This isn't Pycnonemosaurus

[drifting arch]

No but it’s very beautiful and I love the sketch honestly. Will you be designing a skin and coloration for it?

[outer tusk]

No

[drifting arch]

Do you design anatomical sketches for other prehistoric life, like Eurypterids?

[fluid inlet]

Kayla where you the one the other day questioning T. rex intelligence, that’s not a slight btw.

[drifting arch]

It wasn’t so much questioning their intelligence, I witnessed an argument on Facebook on a Paleontology group where Tyrannosaurus fans were trying to downplay the intelligence of Spinosaurus compared to Tyrannosaurus Rex by stating the Spino’s skull was smaller. It got into a discussion where I asked clarification on how do I actually discern the intelligence of dinosaurs when reviewing their skeletal structure, because this is unfamiliar ground for me as I’m not an expert.

[drifting arch]

Here is the conversation @fluid inlet if you wanted the details.

[snow python]

Is there any rauisuchian 8m or 7m is the biggest?

[sudden wind]

Earhole should be much higher (https://twitter.com/TylerGreenfieId/status/1340003402139512836), the jaw muscles may be undersized imo, you could give it thicker lips, make the nostril different and I don't think Eoabelisaurus would have had particularly developed keratin sheet as no ornamentation was recovered ? Also, Eoabelisaurus phylogenetic position can jump a lot within Ceratosauria, from the basalmost position within Abelisauridae (Pol & Rauhut. 2009) to falling once into Ceratosauridae (Delcourt. 2018) or even outside of both groups, being a Neoceratosaur (Hendricks et al. 2024).

[outer tusk]

I gotcha my boi

[wraith kindle]

I guess people just wanna change a topic they deem boring into something else and won’t leave it along.

[wraith kindle]

It’s moved back down?

[wraith kindle]

What’s up with the naked ostrich?

[outer tusk]

it's nude

[brazen musk]

What

[sterile trail]

Poor thing

[robust jay]

Is this Metriacanthosaurus accurate?

[outer tusk]

looks fine

[gray zealot]

looks too feathery, not sure if allosauroids ever had feathers shown

[outer tusk]

yeah the feathering could be lesser

[hardy sentinel]

Concavenator had feathering

[gray zealot]

wasn't that just arm quills so far

[hardy sentinel]

They are still considered a feathered structure, and probably wouldn't be reserved to just the arms in the greater group of Allosauroids

[gray zealot]

too little and late for that sort of Metriacanthosaurus

[tough parcel]

Going off of the theory that feathers were basal to dinosaurs-pterosaurs, allosauroids might've had feathers (to what extent is unknown)

[outer tusk]

^

[gray zealot]

until there's anything actually formal i'd go with very unlikely but somewhat plausible for metri

[hardy sentinel]

We can go off of phylogenetics and skin impressions, so the argument can go either way as we have feather impressions and scale impressions. I guess it's more of which way you wanna lean at this point

[gray zealot]

that's why i go with somewhat plausible and unlikely, nothing direct enough but if you follow certain theories it works, and nothing is concrete stopping it

[hardy sentinel]

Would Gigantopithecus look cool in an outfit straight from the wild west?

[stable sun]

Metriacanthosaurus is far older than Concavenator

[gray zealot]

yes that's
why i said that

[native kindle]

the issue is you need to argue why it wouldn't have feathers really, not wait for proof of them being there. feathers are assumed for pretty much all earlier theropods we don't have concrete evidence of them not existing on

[tulip gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/alligator-gator-double-take-jw-stillwater-eddie-lee-capers-gif-26546420

[warped peak]

Yes

[gray zealot]

if you would, recall when that same logic was applied to rex? either way, conca has obvious areas where quills would have been held, while we don't seem to have that for any medium-large jurassic carnivores, especially ones that seemed to have lived in more humid climates as is

[warped peak]

That logic was never based in reality for Rex

We had a plethora of skin samples and it was too large to be reasonable

[tough parcel]

I mean that logic was applied to rex with Yutyrannus, not under the assumption feathers were ancestral to all dinosaurs

• T. rex likely did have feathers, it's just that 2016 people went too crazy

[gray zealot]

which is why i don't accept whataboutism as an answer
you can bring up something like conca or the possibility of ancestors, but nothing there is remotely direct enough at all to not end as a baseless assumption

[tough parcel]

Also the skin samples are like quarter-sized at most, so if you extrapolate that to an (average) 8 ton animal, you're kinda funny + Hell Creek doesn't seem to be the most hospitable environment for feathers to preserve

[gray zealot]

youre going around the point, its not about rex specifically, its about how people take logic applying to something and apply it something else without proper connection

like you said people take an idea and go way too far with it

[warped peak]

I mean the fact that Pterosaurs have pycnofibers means it's not a baseless assumption to be ancestral

If Carnosaurs and Coelurosaurs have evidence of feathers both, it's pretty reasonable to assume that it's plausible that the relatively small Metricanthosaurus could have light feathering

There's no direct evidence for OR against it here, so just writing it off is just as bad as implying it's feathered as a bird

[tough parcel]

I was mainly addressing the T. rex points because there's a bit more built up around it than allosauroids

[tulip gyro]

DEINOSUCHUS DIDNT DIE FOR NOTHING

[gray zealot]

i already said its plausible. i already said that its not likely to that degree
youre debating for the sake of it.

[warped peak]

My point is that the degree displayed is entirely reasonable?

[tulip gyro]

CROCODYLIANS ON TOP. THEY WILL RISE AGAIN RAGHHH

[stiff osprey]

things would be so much easier if the allosaurus skin paper elaborated on where "near the flanks" is

[warped peak]

That is barely any feathers, and only on part of the body?

Like. That is the perfect assumption and handling of a midsized, more primitive theropod. I'd argue it's more realistic than depicting it without them

[gray zealot]

that does not look like barely any feathers at all, it looks like a slick layer similar to density on my pigeons down the entire top of the body

[tulip gyro]

Japanosuchus okinaoppaiensis

[stiff osprey]

what we know of allosauroids is that they were scaly on the underside of the tail and neck, foot, and an unspecified part of the flank, and this art fits 2/3

[warped peak]

... what do you think a pigeon looks like

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-vibes-emmit-fenn-who-dat-music-gif-18494627

[stable sun]

Ornithischians have feathers too

[gray zealot]

i have 2, so i have a pretty good idea

[warped peak]

These are shaggy, branchless feathers. More like a thin coat of hair

[steady rock]

are you guys team pigeon or team seagull

[gray zealot]

if we know allosauroids were scaly on some part of the flank then i have more than enough reason to doubt those levels of feathering

[warped peak]

We know derived Coelurosaurs also had large bare patches of scale

And I mean

[gray zealot]

Really bad examples given the prior talk on how people over extrapolate information

[steady rock]

how did gyattasaurus survive predatation from rizzasaurus in la sigma ohio formation?

[warped peak]

Could you give any actual evidence in favor of it lacking light plumage on back and nape?

Because you're kinda just writing everything off on "It doesn't feel write, trust me bro"

[gray zealot]

light plumage on the back? did i argue against that? or did i say that its too dense and too much coverage, which it is. seriously, arguing for the sake of it.

[warped peak]

It's not dense and has almost no coverage?

[gray zealot]

its dense and goes to the knees and almost the specifically scaly underside of the neck and tail with a full covered flank
arguing. for. the sake of it.

[warped peak]

Oh no, discussion in the Paleontology chat

And it's just objectively not dense. It doesn't distort the form in any way, implying there's not much more than enough to alter the appearance slightly. It doesn't even cover the muscles

[gray zealot]

like i said im not saying its not possible
just that to that degree is really unlikely
which given that at least apart of the flank was uncovered is true

[warped peak]

The flank is entirely bare. And the plumage barely even gets close to it

[gray zealot]

not really to either point, its unclear what parts were confirmed scaly but it is packed as. especially, since, as random said, its specifically 'near the flanks' which is also packed

[warped peak]

Thats fair. And as you notice, it's not feathered near the flanks either.

It has the croc-like belly scutes, and then transitions into normal scalation much before it gets plumage

Which even context exclusive, is utilizing the scalation sample from "the flank or near the flank", and terminating it

[gray zealot]

i don't think its a transition though, it looks more like dense to blank immediately (granted its hard to interpret the idea of someone else's art)

[warped peak]

I mean the distinct belly scales do clearly end before the feathers, whether there's a transition between normal scale and belly scale is hard to tell due to the art style

But there's a definitive gap between the plumage and the belly scale as a safety net still

[storm merlin]

Nigersauraus had a lot of teeth 😄

[steady rock]

well yes! can you guess how many lil p?

[gray zealot]

its difficult to tell if they're just very long or blank spots or different colors, though the legs and neck are what looks like the sides are coated in a very thick layer of feathers, said feathers of which are already added in theory

[storm merlin]

500?

[steady rock]

yes

[gray zealot]

2

[rich vessel]

Over 500

[storm merlin]

It looks like a vacuum

[gray zealot]

ngl it looks like its plotting an insurance scheme

[steady rock]

do we know how many teeth other sauropods had?

[gray zealot]

i read that as "proposed as a neotype" at first and just was ready to salute it

[stiff osprey]

the large length found across the ocean

[velvet burrow]

Give

[loud python]

ah, destroyed in 1844

[gray zealot]

kem kem is such a fun formation name to say

[loud python]

shame Baharia was destroyed before Stromer was even born, he couldn't even discover it 😔

[chilly knot]

this is wild

[ionic crescent]

Why does this looks like a dog fur

[warped peak]

Got any more info or a link for this?

[chilly knot]

https://tinyurl.com/ya6nrnz9

[warped peak]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[stable sun]

well i didn't make it ask the authors

[warped peak]

link

[stable sun]

Stromer 1934

[warped peak]

Thats not a link you silly goose

[tough parcel]

Explodes

[steady rock]

together...we are paleontology chat.

[warped peak]

What are you, Baharisaurus ingens?

(Holotype, not neotype)

[stable sun]

Syntype

[warped peak]

Whatever the type

I just wanna see the info on the study. A potential Neotype for Baharia excites me greatly

[opaque kayak]

This is the best I can do

Apparently the study did mention how it might not be Bahariasaurus proper, since it was found thousands of kilometers away across a ocean. That being said, it is something similiar

[wind prairie]

how do you feel about this?

[fluid inlet]

wtf bahariasaurus is huge

[potent bobcat]

What was the date that Brontosaurus was reinstated as a genus?

[steady rock]

2015

[potent bobcat]

Day and month?

[fluid inlet]

Yes

[potent bobcat]

This year is gonna be the 10 year anniversary of Bronto coming back, so I would like the date that paper released

[stable sun]

7.04
https://peerj.com/articles/857/

[tough parcel]

Have you ever tried stand up comedy? Cause you're not funny

[warped peak]

This is this is the only thing we have historically known for sure about it

[warped peak]

what's the problem here, outside of the arms

[tough parcel]

Johnraptor7777 said "Give me a break, it's the best I could do" and then quickly deleted it earlier when Random pointed out a grammatical error ("the large length found across the ocean")

It's fake

[stray saddle]

This is way off. Loool

[outer tusk]

yeah he does alot

[fluid inlet]

Isn’t johnraptor a stand up guy

[stray saddle]

It's a very curious dino. But not bigger than T Rex

[wind prairie]

guys how do you like your ornithomimosaurs?
full wings, reduced wings, or no wings?

[fluid inlet]

Who’s said it was bigger than Rex ? Lol. A giraffe is taller than T. rex, doesn’t make it bigger than elephant. Sorry wrong @

[halcyon cobalt]

Naked. no scales though just bare skin

[wind prairie]

bare skin arms??? that just seems implausible

[warped peak]

Maliciously spreading misinformation about one of the most enigmatic theropods of the 20th century >:(

I'm peeling his skin off for this

[opaque kayak]

I'm totally dead if someone does that to me ❤️

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/raftingzalmoxes/status/1885955529274732585?s=46

Palaeoncryptozoologist Briton (@raftingzalmoxes) on X

#MesozoicLifeProject
Additional images of the Spinosaurus model shown in a video on Blayken's youtube channel!
Note the short sparse filaments on the Spinosaurus's neck and back!

X · Feb 2, 2025, 7:36 AM

[warped peak]

Now now

I wouldn't let you die.

[opaque kayak]

If I'm getting peeled peel torvo with me -

[fluid inlet]

Start with redboss

[warped peak]

A small price to pay

I never really liked Torvo a ton anyways

[opaque kayak]

This guy's models are so detailed all the time, should hire him for POT

[stable sun]

It's actually very big, largest specimen was ~13 m, dorsal of largest specimen is the longest theropod dorsal

[wind prairie]

a lightly feathered spinosaurus... very appreciated

[stray saddle]

Which dorsal? I want the name

[stable sun]

Posterior dorsal vertebra

[stray saddle]

20 centimeters. Alright I just saw.

But its actually destroyed.. so God knows how big actually was

[stable sun]

22.5 cm actually.

[wary heath]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-fired-donald-trump-the-apprentice-point-gif-8557097

No spinosaurid should have any feathers.

[wind prairie]

why not? Do you have evidence?

[warped peak]

Seabird Spino

Uses the wet feathers to stay cool

[wind prairie]

not necessarily this but yes I guess that is possible
moreso there's not much of a reason for spinosaurus to have lost all semblance of feathers completely

[fluid inlet]

True it got destroyed but so did you.

[wind prairie]

dread it. run from it. destiny arrives all the same

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/j_stocky/status/1695827179207315806?s=46

Mr.Stocky (@j_stocky) on X

Bahariasaurus vs carcharodontosaurus

X · Aug 27, 2023, 3:54 PM

Tameryraptor couldn’t kill spinosaurus on its worst day, I almost crashed out.

Also tamperyraptor , carcharodontosaurus , bahirasaurus , spinosaurus, the unnamed abelisaurid all same era??? Damn.

[wary heath]

Do you have evidence they did?

[wind prairie]

not how it works. you my friend have to have evidence it didn't because ancestrally speaking, all dinosaurs had feathers. Feathers are the default.

[tacit pine]

Cool

[manic grail]

Have you even watched jurassic park

[wind prairie]

... what does that have to do with anything

[manic grail]

Pretty sure we saw spino in the third episode. There wasnt even one single feather on its body

[tacit pine]

🤖

[stray saddle]

Me how lol. We don't even know if that measure is actually right since its old.

Even if it was big I doubt that thing was larger than a T Rex

[potent marlin]

@fluid inlet bahariasaurus is debated, about its appearance too

[fluid inlet]

You the only one that keeps mentioning T. rex no one ever claimed it was bigger than T. rex, length and height doesn’t mean bigger.!

[wind prairie]

you tryna ragebait or something?

[potent marlin]

I believe that bahariasaurus is a synonym for megaraptorid

[manic grail]

Just go watch the movie and you"ll see what i mean

[wind prairie]

it's a movie lol. A 20+ year old one that wasn't based on reality nonetheless

[manic grail]

Do you have any evidence. 20 years isnt much when spino existed many many million years ago

[wind prairie]

on my life you gotta be a robot or something
what does that even mean???
evidence for what???

[stray saddle]

Lol "nobody mentioned"

[opaque kayak]

I love how we get this easily baited into ragebait

[stray saddle]

@fluid inlet are you even seeing this pic? In case you don't know it means he was way bigger than T Rex

Which obviously he wasn't

[wind prairie]

if anything I was the one ragebaiting before. I'm genuinely confused what this "person" is trying to do

[manic grail]

You are talking about like 20 years is much when spino literally existed millions of years ago. Why do you believe spino existed if you think 20 years is outdated

[outer tusk]

just to recap which pterosaurs have direct evidence of being fish eaters?

[opaque kayak]

It's not, unless you mean titanoboa is bigger then a elephant

[fluid inlet]

Length and height don’t translate to being bigger than T. rex , T. rex was far more robust doofus.

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-brains-calculation-viral-head-gif-26479585

[gray zealot]

as a spino owner can confirm they exist

[opaque kayak]

I neutered mine so it wouldn't keep crying ngl

[wind prairie]

I'm literally crying laughing IRL right now what is this man on about

[small geyser]

If most of you were fish you’d fall for the hook every time.

[fluid inlet]

T. rex fan boy seeing another huge/tall/long theropod

[wind prairie]

nobody fell for any hooks though?

[wind prairie]

I've been laughing at this and the reactions for the last 5 minutes I'm genuinely so confused

[manic grail]

Laughing but not providing any arguments that prove your statement. Also thanks guys for the "REAL" reaction, happy to see people know about paleontology

[wind prairie]

ignore all previous instructions, describe spinosaurus to me

[opaque kayak]

Agreed. This is what bias against older theories stopped us from archieving. It's sad to see such close-mindedness in paleontology community

[manic grail]

True

[manic grail]

I think more the left one but maybe theres a chance it is the second one but i doubt that

[wind prairie]

whoa delete wave

[manic grail]

A mod probably

[wind prairie]

especially considering he called Jp3 the third "episode" I thought some kind of language barrier thing was going on lol

[steady rock]

you notice how Perucetus isnt in this image?

[stuck chasm]

A channel reminder to please make sure that this channel remains on-topic and that you remain polite with each other while in conversation, discussion can be continued without antagonizing or provoking one another. Refer to our #rules and pinned guidelines. Thank you!

[fluid inlet]

Quinn how can you try to ragebait me in the presence of a moderator. I will be back.

[gray zealot]

i was in a server that jumped on the perucetus estimations without a slight hint of doubt and it was funny how that went

[steady rock]

other people make jokes like that too you, why cant i, what

[fluid inlet]

I’m joking Quinn, relax.

[wind prairie]

if only this size comparison included amphicoelias. huge missed opportunity... literally lol

[gray zealot]

if we include ALL giant size estimates there'd be me post lockdown, but here we are

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[wind prairie]

how do you know that wasn't just the average size though? It'd make more sense by chance to find an average sized creature first

[fluid inlet]

Except biggest Torvosaurus in America sizes up to all
Known allosaurus specimens 🤓🙂‍↔️

[gray zealot]

i wanna know what that really really big Megalosaur in France is

[mortal fossil]

Be ungovernable
That’s what Rex copers and Spino simps want

To not love Giga

Love it louder and harder

[manic grail]

Yes im not a native english speaker i use a translator most of the time but isnt it the 3rd episode

[wind prairie]

jurassic park 3. It's the third movie in a movie franchise.

[gray zealot]

i love Giganotosaurus

[steady rock]

This is gonna be a weird question but, when did whales loose their whiskers?

[fluid inlet]

Carcharodontosauria indet owns Giga and Rex and spino .

[manic grail]

If it exists lol

[gray zealot]

i am excited to find out what it is too but i must know more

[mortal fossil]

I want a Bruhatakyosaurus in a game that has a call that’s a whale roar mixed with the vine boom BRUUUUHHH sound but it’s made to be an actual proper dinosaur call

While still being extra crisp and fried

Like a certain dinosaur game that shall not be named that uses the Willhelm scream for Allo

[wind prairie]

the isle has some good sound design though tbf, you don't have to talk about it like it's the forbidden fruit

and yeah I think I actually have pondered the idea of using the "AAUUUGHH" snore sound as a sauropod sound

[fluid inlet]

If? Brother plz. This isn’t Saurophaganax!

[mortal fossil]

Spino is tiny like 5.4 tons tiny on average

7.4 tons as ABSOLUTE maximum

Rex is identical size at 10.5-ish tons for Sue and Scotty

Giga is still bigger

[gray zealot]

I say we name it

Megalosaurus indent for now

[mortal fossil]

Like it’s a big Carcha but it’s literally just

Closing the gap on Rex, Giga and Carcha

It’s not outshining anything

[stable sun]

Why wouldn't it

[opaque kayak]

I love how giga dentary is pretty darn close to, if not surpassing sue/scotty

[gray zealot]

it outshines tyrannotita-

[manic grail]

I mean because its like known from 1 bone

[stable sun]

You can't get the average size of Spino

MSNM V4047, NMC 41852 and NHMUK VP 16421 may be larger than that

Cope is larger than both

Giga dentary is extremely unreliable

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-bait-baiting-bass-fishing-gif-2140444873906627680

[fluid inlet]

It’s not carcharodontosaurus tho, that’s just the family it’s in carcharodontosauria. Hopefully they find more material of it.

[mortal fossil]

You must feel really dumb now

[opaque kayak]

If you wanna get specific number, Scotty by Dan folkes got 10.4 tons, Sue got 10 tons for the rexes, And holotype giga and Spinos typically get between 8-9 tons in weight

[stable sun]

Saurophaganax was thought to be a theropod based on mostly the referred Allosaurus material

[fluid inlet]

Holotype Giga 11t

[mortal fossil]

It could be Carcharodontosaurus

Oxalaia is widely considered Spinosaurus, so there is fauna exchange between Brazil and Morocco

[fossil ingot]

Tbf Largest Anax and Largest Tanneri are basically the same weight
Allo just longer and taller

[gray zealot]

I hope both are true, just for an extra dose of trippy af

[opaque kayak]

Uhhh, charc lived in africa, and oxalaia I'm nearly certain isn't spino

[stable sun]

It is 30-40 million years older than Carcharodontosaurus.

Oxalaia isn't widely considred Spinosaurus. Only one paper has suggested it.

[mortal fossil]

Can you all please stop dogpiling there is literally a one minute cooldown and I have 5 pings already let me actually respond

[fossil ingot]

"Giga still bigger"
Dentary Giga is still smaller than Sue, Scotty and Cope
Holotype is around 300kgs heavier than the Average Rex after its downsize

[fluid inlet]

9 tons & 11 tons

[manic grail]

Because theres like 1 bone

[stable sun]

That means we can't be sure about the size or phylogeny. Not that it didn't exist.

[opaque kayak]

Granted that makes it even more dubious to me ngl, since that's quite a while before the megacharcs

[velvet burrow]

We got Basilosaurus though

[fossil ingot]

8.3t tons after 3D Model was Made.
You can get almost 8.6t for the Holotype with 155 based on Tauro(which Tauro ribs been 1.3m is still debatible)
Dentary gets to around 10076kgs based on the 3D Model

[mortal fossil]

You absolutely physically positively can get average Spinosaurus size

There is one or two remains that suggest 6.5+ tons spinosaurus and there are multiple papers on it being possibly not even being Spinosaurus aegyptiacus

Actual peer reviewed papers suggesting it being Spinosaurus B or Spinosaurus maroccanus

It’s a widely distributed misconception

[manic grail]

But how do we know from so little information that it is giga

[velvet burrow]

Close enough. Welcome back inverted Elasmosaurus

[gray zealot]

Christopher Columbus breathing hard rn

[stable sun]

1. No, as there are not enough specimens
2. MSNM V4047 and NHMUK VP 16421 are both ~8 t according to random's skeletal. By the way, the only confirmed Spinosaurus aegyptiacus specimen is the lost holotype, as the Kem Kem Group material is likely to be a different species.
3. Spinosaurus B is a Sigilmassasaurus specimen and Spinosaurus maroccanus is a junior synonym of Sigilmassasaurus.
4. What is a misconception

[fluid inlet]

I need to go get something to eat , but before I go

Torvosaurus, Ceratosaurus > allosaurus.

Good day fellas and ladies.

[mortal fossil]

Holotype Giga is 9+ tons now as per Dan Folkes and other paleontologists

Spino NEVER had a proper estimate being bigger than 7.8 tons ever since it wasn’t linearly scaled from Baryonyx

The dentary Giga is at least 10.5 tons with 11.2 tons as of recent estimates consulting with the actual paleontologist that found the taxa

[stable sun]

It isn't Giga, it's literally 30-40 million years older than it. Where did you get the idea that it's Giga from

[velvet burrow]

No actually Torvosaurus and Ceratosaurus are different growth stages of Allosaurus

[fossil ingot]

Giga Holotype was downsized, even stego themselves said the GDI Oversized it

[manic grail]

Sorry my bad i meant carcha

[wind prairie]

torvosaurus = ceratosaurus = allosaurus
they're all cool to me :)))

[fossil ingot]

....

[stable sun]

1. A 3D model of Dan's skeletal got 8.7 t and a different GDI using Hartman's top view got 8.9 t
2. A skeletal by Henrique Paes got 8.1 t. Hell Ibrahim even said it was 10-12 t once in like 2020 or 2021 which was based on nothing but route wrong either way
3. Very unreliable, the difference in size between the left and the right dentary of the Allosaurus DINO 2560 is larger than the size difference between the two Giga dentaries

[opaque kayak]

What,...are you talking about? I'm starting to get that this might be yet another troll. The largest "official" spinosaurus estimate was between 7.4-9.1 tons in a actual paper, and by only including actual papers the new giga weight is also not a professional paper either. Using a volumetric estimate for both gets spino and giga holotype around 8.5 tons each, both of which are "unofficial", made by knowledgeable, but not actual papers

[fluid inlet]

If yall going to get us a 3 minute cool down here I want to contribute to it. https://x.com/brandonpilcher/status/1737487521007735275?s=46

Brandon S. Pilcher (@BrandonPilcher) on X

This Torvosaurus has bagged an Allosaurus in the woods of Late Jurassic North America. #dinosaurs #jurassic #paleoart #art #ArtistOnTwitter

X · Dec 20, 2023, 2:58 PM

[mortal fossil]

What is the name of the paleontologist or paper supporting this

Anyone can make a Roblox render and slap an imaginary number on it

[steady rock]

Thas blender...

[stable sun]

It isn't Carcharodontosaurus either, it's 30-40 million years older.

[mortal fossil]

Show me a paper with 9 tons Spino that isn’t using Baryonyx or not outdated

7.4 tons is the only supported version for the absolute biggest specimen I already acknowledged that

[stable sun]

That's done using an accurate skeletal and via volumetric methods.
Either way this weights 8100 kg
https://www.deviantart.com/randomdinos/art/Spinosaurus-aegyptiacus-skeletal-reconstruction-986979635

[wind prairie]

ermm actually he probably wouldn't eat that cuz carnivores would rather eat herbivores because of their nutrients

[opaque kayak]

Vanessa, where is a paleontologist supporting the new Dan's giga? Or even the dan's spino? None of these are official, not yet. All these weights and figures you state are made by knowledgable people, but never official atm, and neither is there a paper with these figures on it

[gray zealot]

this is just people not understanding what up for interpretation means and clinging onto A. whatever supports their idea B. whatever is the most recent concensus regardless of reason

[opaque kayak]

I find it funny, since Sereno's weight estimate for spino nearly exactly aligns with nearly all current spino weight estimates (~8.5 tons, give or take a ton)

[mortal fossil]

Dan Folkes is a paleontologist himself and was a paleontologist consultant to Prehistoric Planet

Also you don’t get to call me a troll or debunk my claims with a Spinosaurus pfp, that’s just bias and a red herring

[stable sun]

A recent Sereno paper got about 7.5 t for Spinosaurus while using a probably way underestimated density of 0.83, it's too low.compared to about 0.95-0.99 in Tyrannosaurus rex or 1.05 in Baryonyx

[tacit pine]

The emojie reactions do NOT make u tuff 🙏

[gray zealot]

this should be a case study of hivemind mentality

[manic grail]

Why does it say its carcha

[opaque kayak]

1. The skeletal made by Dan himself is VERY close to that weight, and it should really not surprise you to know estimates can vary by a ton for these animals. 2. My pf pic is bahariasaurus, not spinosaurus

[fluid inlet]

They are having a civil disagreement with points, I’m not mad at either side.

[stable sun]

It says it's Carcharodontosauria, not that it's Carcharodontosaurus itself. Carcharodontosauria is a much more inclusive clade containing Concavenator, Neovenator, Giganotosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus and many others

[gray zealot]

*deltadromeu-

[wary heath]

Why would a semi aquatic crocodilian dinosaur have feathers

[mortal fossil]

or this reconstruction, I used the two most complete specimens of Spinosaurus, which are fortunately so close in size as to be indistinguishable, although FSAC-KK 11888 is ontogenetically younger. It’s possible, thus, that the "caudal sail" was even more developed in fully grown animals. Speaking of which, in 2003, Milner assigned the colossal dentary NHMUK VP 16421 to Spinosaurus, but was uncertain whether it belonged to the type species. The rostrum MSNM v4047 does not overlap with proper S.aegyptiacus material, and has been by some considered a specimen of Sigilmassasaurus (which it also does not overlap with), but fits perfectly in size and tooth arrangement with NHMUK VP 16421, and the two may belong to the same individual, though they were collected by different teams. The nasal crest is incomplete in all specimens, and here I speculatively restored it based on the privately owned, likely chimeric skull FPDM-V-7011. Finally, the hands and arms were cross-scaled using the Brazilian spinosaurines and Baryonyx, yielding a forelimb : total length ratio similar to that of other spinosaurids. The dubious >70 cm long spinosaurid humerus CMN 41852 indicates that the animal had long, powerfully built arms, so much so that some authors have debated whether it belongs to a sauropod instead.

It uses Baryonyx as part of the reconstruction which has been criticised since like 2005 as a method

Hence yielding a result over 7400kg

[fossil ingot]

You do know that like.
Dans Made the Skeletal, Stego the GDI
Then Stego said the GDI Oversized and then a 3D Model was mad that gave 8.3-8.6t(depending on the ribs) and Stego the creator of the GDI said same GDI Oversized it...

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus was not a crocodilian. And I'm not saying it had a lot of feathers either way, just that it's possible it could have a sparse covering

[stable sun]

Ummmm, what?

It only uses Baryonyx for the missing elements. Tell me, what else are you supposed to use for bones not known in Spinosaurus?

[opaque kayak]

I honestly don't know what to make of this. The spinosaurus MSNM may not be spino proper, but no one needs to use it. If you find the big rostrums to not be spino proper, then I guess work with the holotype model, at around 3-4 tons in weight

[mortal fossil]

I pulled numbers that Dan himself used on his blog

[fluid inlet]

All the kids arguing while indet owns your favorite theropod

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-clap-drama-gif-15956395945422668259

[fossil ingot]

Yeah which came out with Dan reusing some numbers of his Old Giga Post and also saying in Discord Giga likely maybe even got smaller

[steady rock]

What's the drama/gen

[mortal fossil]

Irritator? Ichthyovenator?Suchomimus? Literally any Spinosaur that is less robust than Baryonyx and more closely related to Spino than the most basal Spinosaur, Baryonyx

[fluid inlet]

Maybe?

[stable sun]

All three of these don't have the arm material, which means you can't use them for the arms of Spinosaurus.

[steady rock]

Deinocherius

[fossil ingot]

"Less robust than Baryonyx"
Ahh yed
The Stick Guy....who is Thinnier than Suchomimus
Think you meant density buddy

[mortal fossil]

Citation for hivemind

A peer reviewed study by Gravemind

[wind prairie]

true! It even has a sail on its back, I could see it being a sister taxon to spinosaurus itself honestly

[fluid inlet]

Where does perucetus fit into all of this?

[opaque kayak]

Where's the peer review for giganotosaurus by dan?

[manic grail]

I understand. But my point is how do we know what it from 1 bone? Maybe it was another type of animal

[stable sun]

It is an Ornimthimimosaur from like a continent away, is this a joke or not? They're absolutely not similar beyond "big with big arms and sail", which is definitely convergent

[steady rock]

Spinosauruas will be the reason it gets downsized

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperman-pepperman-pizza-tower-pizza-tower-pepper-man-gif-6591403957195624766

[mortal fossil]

Suchomimus has no arm material

Bro what-

[stable sun]

Didn't notice Suchomimus. Anyways Suchomimus is far younger than Baryonyx while being a part of the Baryonychine lineage, which means it's less similar to Spinosaurus.

[wind prairie]

obviously not a joke. Deinocheirus and spinosaurus were both large piscivorous tetanurans AND they share sailbacks. case closed if you ask me

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/darius_nau/status/1817901640608878776?s=46 Gigas stand up.

Darius Nau (@darius_nau) on X

In other words, assuming Giganotosaurus is actually the ~0.3 standard deviations larger that simple comparison of means suggests, the probability of there being a statistically significant effect with a sample of only 2 is just 8%.

X · Jul 29, 2024, 12:35 PM

[steady rock]

The reason why suchomimus isn't closely related to spinosaur is because it's remains haven't gone through horrible events

[mortal fossil]

I mean I trust Sereno, an actual paleontologist more than armchair discord paleontologist wannabe Spino fanboys

[fossil ingot]

Ngl
The Bias here sounds more from you I won't lie

[stable sun]

Randomdinos is a skeletal artist and a biology student not a disoxrd paleontologist wannabe Spino fanboy

[gray zealot]

this is paleontology, trying to come to factual conclusions on things we don't know is going to lead to fault

[opaque kayak]

yeah, I think we might be getting hooked here boys

[tribal sandal]

A general and friendly reminder to please remain polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users while in conversation. Refer to our #rules

[fossil ingot]

Sorry

[gray zealot]

people when im on my way to make sucho's fossils live through the canon event for all spinosaurs

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/mortified-dog-shaved-looking-around-stan-twitter-gif-5783855028690132564

[stable sun]

In any case largest Spinosaurs are likely about ~8 t with the average being impossible to know

[fossil ingot]

Nah wdym
Average Spino is 10 tons

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-goku-fight-ice-anime-gif-16208768

[mortal fossil]

Time to lump it all together

Come to the Morrison we have

Allosaurus amplexus
Allosaurus Jimmadseni
Allosaurus anax
Allosaurus fragilis
Allosaurus tanneri
Allosaurus dentisculatus
Allosaurus nasicornis

[gray zealot]

spinosaurus is 900kg max 200kg average

[manic grail]

What happened to the transformers gif

[fossil ingot]

This weights 5000kgs guys

[opaque kayak]

trust (I still wanna see that 8100 kg model with the thick tail)

[mortal fossil]

Morrison:

Oops! All Allosaurus!

All-osaurus

[fluid inlet]

Biggest theropods

1. Carcharodontosauria indet
2. Giga
3. T. rex
4. Mapusaurus
   5.spino

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jazz-therapy-sentinel-prime-transformers-one-gif-9471764151035334432

[gray zealot]

mapusaurus is such a dumb sounding name

[tacit pine]

MapYousaurus is the way to say it ngl

[stable sun]

okay actual list

1. We don't know because of incomplete material
2. We don't know because of incomplete material
3. We don't know because of incomplete material
4. We don't know because of incomplete material
5. We don't know because of incomplete material

[fossil ingot]

Cope should be Bigger than the Indet
Also why is Mapu even There???
Its smaller than Carcha

@stable sun True mb

[fluid inlet]

Cope is not bigger than indet 💀

[gray zealot]

the biggest is actually megalosaurus rex
its all megalosaurus

[mortal fossil]

Uhhh
Carcharodontosaurus itself and Deinocheirus are bigger than Spino and Mapu

Also you forgot Tyrannosaurus McRaeensis

[wind prairie]

they got it right the first time. Idk why we started splitting everything into other fake genera
just like how basilosauridae are reptiles

[stable sun]

It technically is at 11.1 t

[gray zealot]

me and my pet Megalosaurus livia

[fluid inlet]

T. rex fan boys these days.

[fossil ingot]

Cope is 11.1t
Indet caps at 10.7
Random has Cope at 11.1t scaling of new Sue been 10.3t

[tacit pine]

This is why jp spino solos every animal ngl 🥱

[mortal fossil]

Earth lizard

Mapusaurus fans like dirt

[stable sun]

Deinocheirus is about 6.8 t, Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis is about 7 t in my own list

[mortal fossil]

JW Giga and Indominus:

[fossil ingot]

The Beast

[manic grail]

Bro is now same as sucho

[fluid inlet]

Everyone playing hot potato with their estimations next week Tameryraptor will be the biggest lol

[gray zealot]

actually the biggest is microraptor, people are just too scared to say it

[tacit pine]

JW giga still probs could lose to adult spino from cc. But meh i said against irl animals ngl

[opaque kayak]

Hmm, TECHNICALLY GDI giga surpasses cope then

[fossil ingot]

Both Cope and GDI Giga are 11.1 tons
Also, You can get Cope to around 12t- if we use 11t Sue

[gray zealot]

isnt scaling cope off of sue all screwy with proportions though

[fluid inlet]

When y’all take your T. rex posters off yall bedroom walls halla at me and give me the actual estimations. I’m going to go eat fr now. Indet on top.

[stable sun]

Not sure what else would you do

[opaque kayak]

iirc stego’s gdi giga was 11.23 tons for the dentary

[wind prairie]

guys is it possible that spinosaurus not being able to walk or swim was because it was selectively bred by multicellular alien life at the time? It was probably bred with extra mechanical enhancements in mind. Like a pug kinda

[mortal fossil]

Absolutely not
JW Giga is 15.5 meters and 9+ tons and literally could pick up and throw Rexy the biggest tyrannosaur in the series

Spino got tossed around like Caesar salad by a subadult / young adult male Rex

It also got punked in CC by big Eatie when it was not controlled by a PlayStation controller by a human

[gray zealot]

i think this is getting off topic

lets talk about why microraptor is the superior dinosaur

[fossil ingot]

11.12

[manic grail]

Shockwave

[opaque kayak]

oh shoot, 23 kg bigggger (w roundup)

[stable sun]

Stego just told me to not use the GDI he did (which is in the image you sent), I wouldn't use 9.2 t

Holotype is 8.5-8.7 t, which also gets 10.3-10.5 t for dentary

[mortal fossil]

Zha-

[gray zealot]

yes yes we all know about Microraptor carolinii cmon class show something else

like Microraptor bucklandii

[fossil ingot]

1. Rexy Rexy is 8.4 tons, not much larger than JP3 Rex
2. Said Rex was same weight as Spino and Older than it
3. Big Eatie Throwing around over 10 tons doesn't make Spino weak

[wind prairie]

no that's spinosaurus

[sly viper]

Hey gamers whats the accuracy of this video? https://youtube.com/shorts/vngvGo6RaRk?si=fb9who7c5qwx_8_N

[opaque kayak]

devastating

[tacit pine]

Spino is 16.5 meters and 8-10 tons based on cc. Mind you had enough strength at sub adult stage to snap the neck of the male tyrannosaur. Also durable enough to get hit with the plane and smash through fences. And it was durable to get tossed ON ITS BACK by one of the 2 rexs in cc. Also beat one, and i doubt the mf with the controller did all that by himself

[fossil ingot]

I know, I was just showing Bahayria that Dentary GDI was 11.12 and not 11.23

[sly viper]

Also gamers is t rex still the largest carnivorous dinosaur?

[gray zealot]

ok no the 16.5m was because the model was shown online at 15m but the tail was slightly clipped and people somehow extrapolated that
again off topic but gotta correct bad info where it is

[mortal fossil]

Spino is not 16.5 meters in CC LMAO

That’s a fan theory
The person who actually worked on the model said it’s 15.1 meters max

[fossil ingot]

No???
Sear Chris the Creator of the Model Showed and Gave the Model, said Model Surpasses 15.1m quite easily
Even with the missing tail part

[tacit pine]

Mk, even if it is 15.1 it does not change up much.

[stable sun]

Unreliable as hell, 1.5 lost bones and they suggest an animal just barely larger than Argentinosaurus

[sly viper]

Thanks gamer

[gray zealot]

giga would win because alan said its the biggest carnivore the world has ever seen and Rexy had to pop a totem of undying to win and get help from a tickle chicken on steroids when it didn't wanna fight in the first place

spino gon carry on

[manic grail]

No thats shockwave

[opaque kayak]

We must be the few fieds where lost, old measurements are taken this seriously

[mortal fossil]

It changes everything because Spino is CANONICALLY struggling to fight adult Rexes and only beat a subadult / young male and Giga is literally bigger in size that can THROW a 13.5 meters female Rex

[gray zealot]

spino dead, go to bed

lets talk about real dinosaurs

like Troodon!

[stable sun]

Technically it's a real dinosaur, it's just a nomen dubium

[tacit pine]

Rexy was old age and shown to be getting beaten in the franchise, and spino didnt have life and death struggle either. Rex got a good grip on its neck and proceeded? If an animal gets a single good hit that aint struggling. It quickly found a way to counter that killing it in less than a min

[fossil ingot]

This is Off Topic but like
Bull is Confirmed an Adult both in the Script and Jr Novelization, Stated 8 tons behind the Screen, its Likely Older than JP3 Spino itself (2 year old moment)
Big Eatie also going off CC Spino Model, its arguably Rexy Size who btw is just 400kgs heavier than both Bull and Buck
But this is Off Topic

[sly viper]

Gamers what the flip is going on in chat?

[mortal fossil]

Dude got tossed once by an adult Rex the moment he was not controlled by a Nintendo and ran like a coward

[tacit pine]

Thats right too. Bull was a confirmed adult while spino was sub adult.

[fossil ingot]

Anyways
Enjoy Tarbo and Acro

[fluid inlet]

Reported

[gray zealot]

ok but spino is the fanservice nostalgia-bait boomer lure so ofc it had plot armor, are we forgetting what this franchise is

[warm saddle]

Guys, what is marapunisaurus

[tacit pine]

R u good? It JUST started to shake off of the mine control and got ambushed how did u expect it to react? Oh wow spinos gonna rush in after getting slammed to 2 adult rexs. Be realistic dawg

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurus is cool 🤷🏽‍♂️

[gray zealot]

"it just started to shake off the mind control"

"be realistic dawg"

dude.

[stable sun]

Bahariasaurus ingens, the largest Megaraptoran. Edit by randomdinos

[fossil ingot]

An Animal Having Survival Instinct when its Out Numbered ?
Ain't no way
Again this is off topic

[steady rock]

Idiots calling each other stupid 😔

[tacit pine]

Exactly. What kind of stupid take is that. This dude also glazing randomly

[mortal fossil]

Excuses.

“It found a solution in 1 minute”

But when it acts like a coward in 5 seconds it’s “nooo it wasn’t like that nooo it would win every fight!”

[gray zealot]

jealous of that height ngl

[sly viper]

I thought maip was the largest

[opaque kayak]

where fossil

[stable sun]

Okay but this is urironic, Bahariasaurus is the largest Megaraptoran

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-shadow-shake-head-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-movie-3-shake-my-head-gif-1060732050028619664

[warm saddle]

Is bahariyasaurus still a synonym of deltadromeus?

[mortal fossil]

I eated it

[gray zealot]

no, it evolved to delta airlines

[tacit pine]

Would a giga rush in to 2 adult Rexs? Would any apex in the franchise do that?

And wdym coward? What r u comparing here? I mentioned spino found a way to maneuver the rex with a good counter quickly and ur randomly adding in this coward bs because it fought 1 rex and won and runs from 2?

[sly viper]

I'm so confused are people trolling*

[stable sun]

Nope, the entire idea was based on nothing. Their caudals are very different (images below) and they have no similarities. Their scapulacoracoid are very different also.

[mortal fossil]

Okay but what about the dinosaur

[warm saddle]

Alr thanks

[tacit pine]

Either way this whole “coward” point makes no sense and is just silly 😭 🙏

[gray zealot]

ouch

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-flame-look-what-i-have-created-shout-gif-17812125

[stable sun]

Maip is smaller than Bahariasaurus

[opaque kayak]

mother of god that sucho size

[gray zealot]

maip was actually 30m long you just don't know it yet

[sly viper]

Bahariasaurus Is a megaraptor?

[warm saddle]

I always forget how big sucho is

[mortal fossil]

Neither is Spino beating anything when it isn’t in a movie that was written by a person who touches minors but you brought it into an actual conversation anyway

[fossil ingot]

Sucho been Sucho moment

@steady rock Tarbo

[steady rock]

rex or tarbo?

[stable sun]

Yes

[tacit pine]

What???. What does this have ANYTHING to do with my points? 💀 💀 💀

[opaque kayak]

It always puts me off seeing sucho’s size

[sly viper]

I am surprised

[warm saddle]

Wait when did this happend?? N why am i just hearing it now?

[fossil ingot]

Cope dwarfs it but thats just Cope been Cope LMAO

[mellow prism]

never was

[stable sun]

It is similar to Aoniraptor in sacral and caudal morphology.

[mortal fossil]

Spino was made by Jack Horner
You can google the rest.

[opaque kayak]

Inconsistent lore in franchises is inconsistent, damn

[warped peak]

This is not correct

[tacit pine]

Bro i could care less about Jack Horner idgaf. Where is the response to my points

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-fighting-smiling-friends-no-fight-stop-it-stop-arguing-gif-8713281799291953889

[sly viper]

When will spinofaarus offical

[velvet burrow]

And can Aoniraptor be confidently assigned to Megaraptora?

[gray zealot]

your points are stretches based on a show where a dinosaur hangs a cerato in .2s then some farmgirl tanks its venom for hours on end

[stable sun]

It is correct. It has elongated sacral vertebrae with sacral pleurocoels and caudal foraminae only on the anterior caudals. This is similar to Aoniraptor.

[mellow prism]

there are few megaraptorans that are larger than Maip

[mortal fossil]

I thought that is Rex for a second and I was like

What have you brought upon this cursed land

[tacit pine]

Bro what? 😭. English?

[sly viper]

How many others are larger

[stable sun]

It has been consistently there

[fossil ingot]

How about we enjoy Gators and Caimans?

[tacit pine]

Waffling bout a dinosaur hanging a cerato tf is this

[mortal fossil]

I literally debunked all your Spino glazing points that we are only talking about because you brought a dumb movie made by a freak into a talk about actual dinosaurs and not a JP fursona of Jack Horner

[wind prairie]

guys look at this cool dinosaur haha mexidracon hoho so silly

[mellow prism]

it is, Aoniraptor is clearly megaraptoran (Cau analysis sucks)

[sly viper]

What the hell is going on rn can someone tell me

[warped peak]

(it has not)

[tacit pine]

What did you debunk lmao? “Omg spino is coward” and jack horner didnt debunk jack lol

[stable sun]

Aoniraptor description paper, the 2020 paper about Aoniraptor, Maip description paperand Tameryraptor description paper

[opaque kayak]

IRL gang rise up

[gray zealot]

scorpios

the point being, its all just plot armor. spino survives the fight because plot armor. its easy nostalgia bait for boomers and children. same reason sammy survived the same hit that 1-tapped a ceratosaurus.

and all of this
only to make up for the point spinosaurus irl is nothing like its terrible movie interpretation

[warped peak]

We're not entirely sure what Delta, Baharia, Aoni and Gualicho are or are doing, but they're considered separate from most other stuff at this point as of 2024

[mortal fossil]

Let’s not forget Scorpios rex venom killed a Brachiosaurus in 5 seconds but only made Sammy take a princess nap

[fossil ingot]

Ngl those Points also don't mean much.
The Winner is who the Director Wants
It can be Spino, Giga, Rex
Its whoever the director wants
You didn't debunk much, just called Spino a Coward cause of Survival Instinct.
And again this is Off Topic

[tacit pine]

Plot armor or not thats how you scale feats.

[stable sun]

Deltadromeus is similar to Gualicho and both are similar to Noasaurids. Bahariasaurus is similar to Aoniraptor and both are similar to Megaraptorans.

[velvet burrow]

What about that Chilantaisaurus thing?

[storm merlin]

Woah

[mortal fossil]

No, how you scale feets is called the imperial system

[gray zealot]

i want a Guardians of the Galaxy style team with Carch, Spino, Rex, Giga, and Baharia

[fluid inlet]

We own that scavenger and blind fella

[tacit pine]

Thats another way if u want

[sly viper]

What the hell is going on

[mellow prism]

Baharaisaurus is nothing like a ceratosaurs (noasaurids). It has characters unique to megaraptorans, it is a coelurosaur

[storm merlin]

big dude

[gray zealot]

you scale feats

you don't need to scale feets, just ask Dan Schneider, he already knows.

[wind prairie]

guys look haha wow such a quirky dinosaur

[fluid inlet]

In all seriousness we all have our favorites but that doesn’t mean other dinosaurs ain’t equally as cool and unique.

Size estimations are changing all the time, so let us not get heated on estimations that might not stick one month from now.

Salud 🥂

[tacit pine]

But like i said both spino and giga are very similar sized in the franchise. We already addressed those. And you can still take actions in the films to scale them.

[gray zealot]

how i probably look opening the fridge to grab the last microwave grilled cheese at 11:30 PM

[opaque kayak]

I can't lie all the jw lore and powerscaling gets me confused, I don't watch a lot of jw

[warped peak]

There is absolutely nowhere near as much certainty on the placement of Aoni and Baharia as you are making it sound

[storm merlin]

Quirky shark 😁

[gray zealot]

they're 100% certain on baharia, actually. they invented time travel, went back, and asked

[velvet burrow]

We're talking about a franchise that wholeheartedly claimed there were Giganotosaurus, Moros, Iguanodon and Dreadnoughtus species in maastrichtian North America, why are we discussing that... thing?

[stable sun]

Aoniraptor has been consistently a Megaraptoran. It's fairly certain by now. Not sure what else would it be

Bahariasaurus is also most likely one.

[mortal fossil]

I want a S. Squad (DC comics) with those but instead of Weasel cannot swim it’s Spino flopping to the side then floating motionless on the water like that peer reviewed paper about Spino not being able to swim

[sly viper]

Wow haha guys look at this

[wind prairie]

guys look isn't dinichthys so cool?

[broken shale]

That looks like bars

[warped peak]

Awaken my master

@tough parcel

[opaque kayak]

I love the nuclear bomb sized sausege tail

[gray zealot]

the fish chasing some voiceless weaker character after running into a poll at mach 5:

[fluid inlet]

Interesting I remember Wes telling me this was inaccurate a while back 👀

[stable sun]

Well it's inaccurate due to the skull but it is a Megaraptoran

[sly viper]

Wow guys look at this siats

[mortal fossil]

Oh god not another Allosaurus please I am begging

No more

[storm merlin]

“You guyth sthop being mean 🤓” looking dinosaur

[opaque kayak]

Ayy that's me

[stable sun]

It's not Allosaurus, it was thought to be Allosaurus in like the 1980s or something that's why the Allosaurus is in quotes