paleontology

[warped peak]

That's a funny looking Sachicasaurus and Alamosaurus

[bitter quest]

Fr

[steady rock]

Now show the average edmontosaurus

[fluid inlet]

I’ll show the average T. rex instead

[steady rock]

Do both

[manic grail]

Didnt know they were that big

[stiff osprey]

Panthera leo with the true king of the cenozoic period

[fluid inlet]

zebras are so vulgar , he's actually the bad guy

[steady rock]

What's the more accurate sucho?

[manic grail]

I dont know why they chose to give sucho hair

[tough parcel]

There's no reason not to give Sucho feathers

[last iron]

ITS HAPPENING
WWD REMAKE PICTURES

[astral spindle]

I just saw that 💀. Man I hate it now after that lol

[fluid inlet]

7(shots) its so good to have you in this server, love your saurophaganax work.

[tough parcel]

Bruh??

[fluid inlet]

what are these suppose to be ?

[wary junco]

alt text says Albertosaurus

[manic grail]

You're welcome, you can ask questions any time

[winter marsh]

ngl iggy would absolutely make people bite the curb

[winter marsh]

I say they are gorgosaurus since WWD had them. Also what's up with hairy sucho

[manic grail]

Theres no evidence for feathers on sucho as far as i know. Also JW sucho looks like hes balding

[fluid inlet]

with everyone nerfing everything , your upscales are a fresh breath of air.

[wary junco]

Yahoo article and twitter captions from BBC themselves confirmed them as Albertosaurus

[winter marsh]

I dont give a damn theyll be gorgos in my heart

[last iron]

Gorgosaurus hasnt been found in Canada afaik, this is the 1900’s documentary not the “children’s movie”
As far as I know those “Gorgosaurus” fossils are just Albertosaurus

[stiff osprey]

1900's it's from 1999

[tough parcel]

Feathers being basal to dinosaurs-pterosaurs + Scrurimimus being a possible baby megalosaur would bolster the idea of some feathering

[winter marsh]

dammit, tbf the pictures they chose really said otherwise with pachyrhino and the hungry looking... Albertosaurus

[last iron]

Wasn’t it the 90’s or am I forgetting

[fluid inlet]

the other dinosaurs look good , but the albertosaurus looks a little goofy

[stiff osprey]

yeah but the way you said it sounded like it was ancient

[winter marsh]

the albertos look like the whimsical triad of hyenas from that Lion King series

[fluid inlet]

the purple looks off idk , and considering it was the 20th century and now we in the 21st century ... id say its ancient!

[stiff osprey]

I agree i don't like purple face alberto

i'm just glad it gets to be in a documentary for the first time in ages though

[last iron]

Hey at least it’s not like a peacock or smth

[tulip gyro]

so the 13.5t fadeno estimate is not good to use anymore? or is your estimate simply much more reliable??

[winter marsh]

but hey machimosaurus wins

[tulip gyro]

goat machimo🔥 🙏

[steady rock]

Are they remaking the movie?

[fluid inlet]

now purusaurus and deinosuchus is a much closer fight.

[tulip gyro]

aegisuchus witmeri 22 meters shall live now, i wont accept deino losing against rex

[manic grail]

Thanks to the movie "dinocroc" we already know how suchomimus looked like. So no need to theorize about feathers and what not.

[winter marsh]

who was the genious mastermind behind upsizing meg to 30 meters and 100 tons, 13 meters 8 tons rex and downsizing everything around them cuz f it we ball

[last iron]

The documentary not the more recent movie
The movie is an entirely different company

[steady rock]

Ooh, is that achelosaurus then and not pachy?

[wary junco]

It's a "season 2" of the original Walking with Dinosaurs series, apart from the fact it has a completely different format, completely different showrunner, narrator and composer, the original designs are not being referenced at all and there is nothing that ties this series with the original apart from name lmao

[winter marsh]

now looking closer it might be achelousaurus, the eyebrows match

[opaque kayak]

Fadeno's tylo and Deinosuchus

[fluid inlet]

so much good stuff coming out this year for dinosaurus in tv, we all win.

[wary junco]

captions already confirmed it as Pachyrhinosaurus

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/bjorksvault-stan-twitter-stare-gagged-gif-8028949465545083691

[winter marsh]

tylosaurus would uh, well... idk, deino is cooked

[manic grail]

I actually think the tylosaurus didnt cook its food like us humans, but rather hunted it and ate it without cooking just like modern animals

[steady rock]

Are we gonna visit th jurassic and triassic atleast....

[winter marsh]

screw captions smh, they are making me look stupid (I am)

[fluid inlet]

surviving earth looks better than walking with dinosaurs 2 but a dub either way

[stiff osprey]

fadeno's is based on a specimen whose size is only known from scalebars, so it cannot be proven or disproven, but all the known measurements do not support 10+t deinosuchus

[tulip gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-let-him-cook-gif-11999534059191155013

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/paparazzi-papa-coolmathgames-cooking-papapizzaeria-gif-27607386

[opaque kayak]

Derpystego's Giganotosaurus GDI using Dan Folke's skeletal. All credits to them

[winter marsh]

wait, 9 tons giga? Holy cow

[fluid inlet]

Purussaurus fan boys getting the news are going to be delighted.

[winter marsh]

purussolos

[fluid inlet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/q8twumUsOXE?si=ZYyTtxFCoyZx5TRg does this video still hold weight, the comment section has been a full out war since this video dropped

[winter marsh]

what is this 😭

goofy ahh Deino Glazing, they said deino was faster than sarco smh 🐒

[fluid inlet]

everyone knows Sarcosuchus is the most iconic , no matter how much they try to kiss up to deinosuchus, but in a fight Deinosuchus wins sadly.

[winter marsh]

this is true but in no way a deino is faster than a sarco, unless deino is somehow superpowerful and the perfect predator who knows

technically sarco isnt a croc ☝️ 🤓

[fluid inlet]

because, people love certain creatures , same way people have favorite things and ect. I love sarcosuchus because when i was growing up as a kid sarcosuchus was the king. so its more nostalgia for me but also everything about sarcosuchus is just cool. that doesn't make the other 2 , or the rest not cool because they are. We all have our favorites.

[winter marsh]

mahajanga solos

[manic grail]

Isnt mahajanga a city

[fluid inlet]

my all time favorite artwork of sarcosuchus

[velvet burrow]

In my opinion if you feel that strongly about changes to our understanding of your favorite taxon, you really don't like it, you like what you want it to be, if what i'm saying makes sense

[cloud dagger]

I’m a desmatosuchus and susisuchus fangirl

[fluid inlet]

who feels strongly to changes? im confused when did i say i do not support any of the changes.

[velvet burrow]

Not talking about you specifically, more like, in general, about the people who do dislike that science progresses for some reason

[thorn grove]

It makes sense. When imagining the past many people focus more on what they consider the most evocative or exciting images they imagine about those creatures, and so when our understanding progresses to make those implausible or unrealistic it can be irritating for many as it makes the image they conjured invalid.

While I think getting mad at science for progressing is silly and a bit childish I do understand how someone could grow to like a taxon less because of progress in our perception of it. Ultimately everyone enjoys what they perceive an extinct taxon to be like and not what it actually is, as unfortunately all they are anymore is fossils.

[open compass]

WWD 2025 spoilers

[snow python]

How long is the dentary specimen, still 13,5m?

[tall prawn]

proably longer but by a few cm

[tough parcel]

That 4th image is from WWD:3D, the movie from a decade back 💀

[open compass]

Oh damn

[snow python]

So 13,5-13,6m?

[tall prawn]

its around the same length ig the holotype was like 4 cm longer thsn the old design

[snow python]

Skeletal is based on taurovenator, right?

[fluid inlet]

bottom right look like its from 1990s

[tall prawn]

either taurovenator or meraxes taurovenator iirc you can ask stego these questions

@open compass did you say bull was the strongest rex? one time

[open compass]

No, it's paleontology chat btw

[snow python]

Not paleo related but is it rare for bone spurs to grow on ribs?

[fossil ingot]

Tmk and from what Random Told me
Its 1cm longer along the Centra then before
12.73m vs 12.74m

[tall prawn]

its only 1cm diff not that much of a diff

[fossil ingot]

Tmk yeah

[white matrix]

HELL FREAKING YES

[fossil ingot]

Father and son

[stable sun]

No, it's based on Giganotosaurus

[stable sun]

They're closely related that's why

[compact leaf]

I’m like 90% sure the last one is actually two models from the wwd movie, maybe edited slightly

[honest cobalt]

Is pots tyranno more like giga in size?

I feel like they made it giga, without using giga

[elfin leaf]

More like carcha sized

[honest cobalt]

Oh really? I thought carch was a bit smaller

[elfin leaf]

the proportions are really not giga like
Giga is quite different from titan looking at the dorsal column

[brave nova]

Have the new weight estimates for gigas holotype and its bigger specimen been estimated yet?

[opaque kayak]

Yes, let me send it

[brave nova]

I saw someone post that the holotype was around 9t? And dentary around 11. Ah yea it’s the same thing that I saw

[scenic flame]

Tyrannosaur looks nice, pachyrhino doesn't

[limpid kestrel]

I asked abt the dentary. Apparently it’s based on 1 tooth so it’s not reliable or something

[brave nova]

It’s not 1 tooth it’s just the lower jaw, but the part we do have overlaps with the holotype so

[compact leaf]

I known I’m spoiled by php but I don’t like either of them lmao, it’s confirmed as albertosaurus btw

[limpid kestrel]

Oh wait they said single bone not tooth mb

[brave nova]

Look dm I showed u which part it is

[fluid inlet]

The king , hunted sauropods the prince hunted hadrosaurs

[limpid kestrel]

Ye

[opaque kayak]

And Perucetus was downsized yet furthur,..... the cycle of man

[fluid inlet]

…….

[brave nova]

And also thanks, I just wanted to double check

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/jakex-dragonx-titanx-gif-7613593006933311202

[astral spindle]

The butcher of South America getting buffed 🔥🔥🔥

[astral spindle]

Lower jaw

[astral spindle]

Man, when will carchar get buffed? 🙏

[frigid delta]

i suggest the one who GDI ed this Giga is... Stego?
bcuz if it is
Stego?
👇

[hallow spear]

what does me editing it have anything to do with that 💀

I scaled it based on a convo i had with random about the best way to scale the dorsal was torso length, so that's what i did, the other edit to the lateral is just a postural edit. Seems like you got a bit of bias?

Also the mass estimates are from the GDI i did on it based on dans dorsal, Random did a GDI with hartmans dorsal and got a result within 2.5% of what i got

[frigid delta]

yes
a Rex bias
those size are unacceptable for a Rex glazer like me (fact aside, this still hurts in me Rex heart 💔)

[astral spindle]

Only Copium and Bertha can save rex (which will take a long time...............................)

[sullen cairn]

Mfw two theropods that can only be reasonably discerned to be broadly the same size remain broadly similar in size

[hallow spear]

I mean Rex is still more obese, giga is just more surface area overall I think

[hallow spear]

Also, the original message seemed more aimed at me personally, for whatever reason. Bit unnecessary to word it as if it should be doubted just because I did it

[brave nova]

Is there a skeletal for the supposed 8.7t meraxes?

[stable sun]

No because it isn't described

[fluid inlet]

Who’s the purple one? Barney?

[brave nova]

Twas what I thought but then saw someone use a Mera of that size in their own comparison so thought there might be sum for it

[stable sun]

It's just the Meraxes holotype upsized by 15%

[brave nova]

I also thought it may of been that but was unable to replicate it myself. Kinda just sitting here with it on no skeletal and it’s annoying me lol, gonna see if I can actually upsize it properly again

[velvet burrow]

Oh god

Wait where are we sitting with gig size? 12.7m and 9.2t?

[fossil ingot]

12.74m and 9182kgs

[fluid inlet]

Giga owns u

[stable sun]

12.7 m and 8.9-9.1 t

[steady rock]

do you think pachyrhinosaurus is becoming the posterceratopsians ( besides trike ) for documentries?

its been appearing in so many documentries since i wanna say maybe 2008?

[light osprey]

I would say 2009

[fluid inlet]

Pachyrhinosaurus deserves any kind of media it gets, it’s earned that right.

[steady rock]

how many documentries has it appeared since 2009? i remember 2 movies and 3 documentries

[fluid inlet]

Okay ? How many documentaries has T. rex appeared on?

[steady rock]

0 because it is so unknown, its honestly criminal

[errant juniper]

who would win rex or argentinasaurus (im tryna proove this little kid wrong)

[warm saddle]

True, n pentaceratops too

[steady rock]

rex because its hands are a perfect size for holding a pistol

[thorn grove]

Since rex lacks some of the adaptations Carcharodontosaurids have for causing bleed and tackling large prey (more blade-like teeth, greater jaw gape, reinforcements to their necks) I would give the advantage to Argent while still noting that rex still has massive teeth and probably could cause quite a bit of damage if it wanted to. Regardless, because rex simply wasn't adapted to hunt large Sauropods it's unlikely it would attack one in the first place, so in that vein Arg wins by default.

[errant juniper]

YES

[steady rock]

what age do you think a alamosaurus would become off limits for a rex?

[warm saddle]

.

[hallow spear]

is this my edit i forgot LMAO

[thorn grove]

Idk what age but I imagine a rex would no longer be inclined to attack once the alamosaurus is a few times larger than it, maybe once the neck is no longer in reach.

[steady rock]

when its adolscent perhaps?

[fossil ingot]

The Giga Posture yeah.
Who made that Edit of Holotype and Scotty?
I forgot LMAO

[outer tusk]

Stego made the edit of giga

[hallow spear]

Falcon did the size comparison I tho m he means

[fluid inlet]

Who added Barney to the giga and Rex comparison

[fluid inlet]

Based model?

[frigid delta]

lipless loses all of her potential aura

[fluid inlet]

I have a feeling they won’t revisit these dinosaurs for a while to make them with lips

[frigid delta]

call me what you want but what Rumble just said to me feels like a sword piercing right onto my theropod heart (lipless disgust me)

[fluid inlet]

It’s a issue for me too, but some of these models are really great, especially Tyrannotitan. The only thing that holds me back with it, is the fact it needs a support stand, otherwise I’d buy it!

[frigid delta]

ig ur right
lipless or not, i am still a simple intelligent gorilla
i see theropod figure, you shut up and take my moneys

[fluid inlet]

They started having lipped theropods tho ( Saurophaganax, yangchunaosaurus) not sure how well Saurophaganax would scale to allosaurus Anax however.

[frigid delta]

ahh now that heals me a bit

[fluid inlet]

Lipped

[spice snow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[round hedge]

What is the most accurate carnivores dinosaur hunter design, almost all of them are based on Burian's old depictions, but wich one is the most up-to date ?

[stiff osprey]

is Gigantoraptor officially part of the game? if so then it would be the most up to date despite the lack of feathers

[round hedge]

I would've said the same thing

And yeah, the mobile port is tehnically still carnivores, but i also have coelophysis as a contender, but big bird is a tad bit more accurate

[stiff osprey]

the designs in Carnivores Cityscape are all pretty good generally (as far as very low poly models go)

[round hedge]

Nanotyrannus is most innacurate bc it isn't real XD

Nah, but for a juvi Rex, it looks very good

[frigid delta]

https://youtu.be/oPteK_HIAhk?si=wieKhfSlsNsv9hin
an addon but still considered a Carnivores

[round hedge]

Tehnically, but they're also not canon (as far as I'm aware)

Is chasmosaurus's design ok ?

[round hedge]

I love the fulgur skin bc I'm a big sucker for any monster hunter references

[spice snow]

Hear me out:

tameryraptor basically confirms the existence of jp3 ceratosaurus

[stable sun]

What

[frigid delta]

Spino lived in Egypt, yes?

[rancid dove]

nort africa*,but yea egypt too

[alpine sundial]

They actually don’t need a support stand but it’s there if you want to use it!

[stable sun]

Yes

[opaque kayak]

He also built those pyramids ❤️

[quasi token]

bipedal
croc head
spino is an egyptian god

[frigid delta]

Sobek mentioned

[opaque kayak]

Shame it was bombed

[stark herald]

I hate bahariasaurus

[opaque kayak]

I too brother

[astral spindle]

Embrace Carcharodontosaurus

[stable sun]

largest Megaraptoran....

[stable sun]

yay one incomplete skull

[astral spindle]

Fffffeeeeeemmmmmmuuuuurrrrr 😭😭😭

[stable sun]

what
there's no known Carcharodontosaurus femur

[astral spindle]

Ik, just wishful lol.

[silver canopy]

https://youtu.be/EGVe3ZUyQuU?si=Rxu4KqVkg-0F_WRJ

[steady smelt]

And what they do for ya is they give you the property.

[steady rock]

What's thallasodromeus classified as? Azdarchid or related to tapejera? Two ppl debating abt it in backer chat

[terse python]

from wot ik, they are from a sister group to azhdarchids

[forest minnow]

Pretty sure this Tylo is outdated

These are real Tylo and mosa compared to Deino

[steady rock]

Does deinosuchus have a chance

[forest minnow]

Prob the winner is basically whoever gets their jaws around the others neck

[pastel lodge]

Is anyone able to tell me what the bottom dinosaur is? I genuinely for the life of me can’t work it out. I thought velociraptor or some type of smaller raptor then maybe a sucho? I just can’t work it out

[steady rock]

Amargasaurus

[pastel lodge]

I wouldn’t say it was a herbivore

[steady rock]

Bajahadasaurus 🥰

[stable sun]

Sucho? How? It's completely different

It's absolutely Velociraptor or something related

[pastel lodge]

Well I originally thought sucho just because of the long face but it doesn’t have the same shape so my first guess was maybe it was just drawn incorrectly but I think you’re right.
Definitely a raptor

[tall prawn]

who pinged me

[scenic flame]

yeah that's velociraptor

[steady rock]

What's the more accurate kentro? PoT or isle

[tough parcel]

They're the same level

[scenic flame]

I mean if we wanna hyper nit-pick, PoT's has a slightly more square hip which is better, but other than that they're both peak

[tough parcel]

Vivid likes their hips square

[scenic flame]

[steady rock]

Is it the same for jwe ( mod) mira and PoT mira?

[tough parcel]

I need this emote

[winter marsh]

the mod is accurate in everything except the mead maybe, idk

[scenic flame]

I'll add it to paleoarchive

[steady rock]

I wonder which plates are more accurate

[tough parcel]

PoT Mira is better afaik

[scenic flame]

PoT is better, uses a more up to date recon, the jwe mod has too many plates

[steady rock]

Mira has 23 right? ( on a single side)

[stable sun]

dacentrurus junior synonym

[scenic flame]

nvm can't find it

[tough parcel]

Evidence we should explode?

[steady rock]

What's the more accurate sucho?

I don't wanna sound blind but what the differences between the two models?

[rancid dove]

jp for me,but i like sound pot

[fossil ingot]

Either
Both have Legs been to Long
Tho Pot may have the better neck posture

[steady rock]

Better image of both

[rancid dove]

now i love it both

[tulip dove]

That's the old pot sucho model

[scenic flame]

arm size, skull shape, hump positioning, tail depth, general proportions

PoT's is better, but JW's sucho is surprisingly good by JW standards

[open compass]

It's good because it's a concept model from JW's website (which had good dino designs), they didn't use that model for movies, unfortunately

[winter marsh]

this sucho is still peak tho, especially its sounds

[open compass]

Well, yeah it's good but this ⬇️

[winter marsh]

both peak but yeah that guy kinda solos

[wraith kindle]

Not quite paleontology, but still paleo, the first fleshy angiosperm fruits (that is, everything from berries to apples) appeared about the same time as the first flowers, right? Could have independently evolved in multiple lines though.

[fluid inlet]

They actually do,

[alpine sundial]

No they don’t lol

[fluid inlet]

Ya they do

[alpine sundial]

Unless you got serious trust issues why would I lie to you😭 I have the figures and they don’t need stands

[tough parcel]

When the plastic figures are slightly different??? (You're both correct)

[fluid inlet]

, I got some of my own and a few of them, mainly the theropods need a support stance lol

[alpine sundial]

None of my theropods need them and I have like 9
Which ones do you have??

[fluid inlet]

Baryonyx needs a support stance and so does yangchuanosaurus

[steady rock]

What's more accurate, jwe plsisour or PoT kai?

[alpine sundial]

I got Tarbo, Rex on the way and non of my Carcharodontosaurids need them

[compact leaf]

they’re both pretty terrible

[winter marsh]

tbf jwe2 plesio might be more accurate

[fluid inlet]

My carcharodontosaurus doesn’t need it , or my sucho. Rex doesn’t need it because it doesn’t have a goofy ass stance , I hate the way they do some of these dinosaurs I rather not have a “unique “ stance if it’s going to be falling over.

[alpine sundial]

Nah like the whole Carch fam I got doesn’t need the stands lol but I do wish they had lips

The posters are sick tho

[fluid inlet]

None of the carchas got a “unique stance” lmao other than Tyrannotitan

[alpine sundial]

I mean yeah but you were saying that they need the stand when most of them don’t

[fluid inlet]

The one I showed the picture of needs it a stance, I didn’t show T. rex or any of the other carcharodontosaurids . Go argue with yourself in the mirror and stop being annoying

[alpine sundial]

Your panties tight or something?? Why you so pressed?? A quick YouTube search of the Tyrannotitan says it can balance independently. I got TT on the way and I’ll send you a picture. Also looking online I found that it can balance on its own but I’ll do it myself and come back with results

[fluid inlet]

I don’t need to see your results, I already saw the results on multiple videos lol

[alpine sundial]

And I saw online posts and a YouTube review video saying the opposite. Since the information we have is hearsay atm I could genuinely just let you know what I find. At first all I was trying to do is tell you my experience was different and we could come to a conclusion together. But nah you wanna be dismissive and close minded

If I’m wrong I’m wrong but the information I’ve found is contradicting

[fluid inlet]

Well the fact is we are both right, some need it some don’t. I go to the unique stance that they put some of them in, which I don’t like. If I’m paying 40+ for dinosaur figures at the very least they need to stand on their own but that’s my own personal stand on it.

I’m not the only person that shares this opinion on it, I wasn’t the first to bring it up in here neither. I’m not sure if you own lufengosaurus but mines also has an issue standing on its own.

[compact leaf]

my favorite paleo topic, whether or not a figure can stand (which can be affected by minor deformation)

[alpine sundial]

My nanotyrannus sucks at standing on its own but I frfr thought you were someone who was interested in buying PNSO and I wanted to help you out bc they’re really cool figures and come with sick ass posters. I ain’t trying to be hostile you’re a Dino nerd too so it shouldn’t have even gotten to the point of where it did. Tc tho! No ill will or ill intent! If you did figure out a way to get the creases out of the posters tho I’d love to know cuz I wanna start framing them

[steady rock]

Can dinosaurs stand without stands? 🥺

[tough parcel]

It is a well-known fact that the Triceratops had Hierophant Green...

[fluid inlet]

Yeah, my bad. We both worded our words as if it was law with all of the dinosaurs figured which it isn’t, it just depends on the figure. There is a hot water method I used to try to position the feet in a more stabled stance but it didn’t work when I tried it on my yangchuanosaurus. However I will try it again today on my lufengosaurus and hopefully today I see positive results. 🥂 Salud.

[alpine sundial]

Yeah my bad as well I should’ve kept my cool but I appreciate your maturity and honesty! We just humans behind these screens so I should’ve shown you better self control! Most of my figures are brand new so I’ll keep this in mind when wear and tear start to show! Cheers!🥂

[loud wing]

I can't tell what exactly but something is very unsettling in PoT aquatics for me

[brave nova]

My updated comparison sheet

[manic grail]

Giga is 11 tons?

[steady rock]

their eyes perhaps?

[manic grail]

Then why does everyone say rex is heavier

[fluid inlet]

7shots you should know this giga is king spino is prince and now we have a joker

[stable sun]

So why not use Tyrannosaurus Cope

[opaque kayak]

I also have meraxes skeletal by random

[brave nova]

The new weight for Dentary came out yesterday

[stable sun]

Because Sue is about 10-10.5 t, Scotty is similar, BHI 6248 is closer to 11 t and exceeds dentary Giganotosaurus in terms of weight

[sudden wind]

I'm so expecting now T.proridger to also be down sized (using Fadeno's work) to something more similar to other large mosasaurs (10-11 meters). Iirc Bunker is like not that complete so the chances that there were scaling issues in the process are likely imo.

[brave nova]

I’m not really a fan of cope weights, the weight for Scotty is also what I get when I ask generally so it’s the weight I use when talking about Rex

[stable sun]

You're using an incomplete Giganotosaurus dentary but you're not using Cope? Why?

[sudden wind]

Remember that, even though Dan has probably yhe best references for Giganotosaurus, it is only his interpretation and therefor it does not ultimately make G.carolini n°1 theropod in body size (cause there are other models anyway and these all vary in size between 8 and 10 tons) so ngl I'd put Rex and Giga at the same place.

[stiff osprey]

I don't know if I can share it but i have it from pretty reliable sources that there is no 14m+ Tylosaurus, although downsizing to 10-11m is a bit of a stretch

[manic grail]

You know old age has gotten to me, sometimes i just forget my dinosaur facts

[fluid inlet]

13ms?

[opaque kayak]

How does 13.5 meters work (Also this 1 minute time to type is ridiculous)

[brave nova]

It’s not the skeletal for the 8.7t one (due to it not even being described yet)

[stiff osprey]

my own estimates (not based on embargoed info) are between 12.1 - 13.8 meters so 13-13.5m is a good estimate

[fluid inlet]

We in the “let’s nerf everything era” my poor Perucetus was first on the chopping block.

[opaque kayak]

I assume it's because Cope's femur is shorter then Sue's, even if incomplete

[sudden wind]

If you cannot share it's fine. Just I didn't expect that there would be such material to exist (I'd need to look through papers, measurements and databases myself to really see what we got)

[potent marlin]

Did giganotosaurus outweigh the t rex?

[stable sun]

In all other measumerents it's larger

[brave nova]

It is honestly because as I said I do not like cope specimens (idk y but I just dislike it)

[opaque kayak]

I swear to god this looks larger then 14 meters, Ig the HL to TL might be different

[stable sun]

"i didn't include a specimen because i don't like it"

[stiff osprey]

even if you use the smaller femur length for Cope, adding the larger tibia and larger fibula and larger maxilla makes it larger than Sue and Scotty by 2-3%

[sudden wind]

They are basically the same sizes.

Giga sample is too small to say anything about the average size of an adult specimen.

[brave nova]

Which is true but going off the gdi of the new giga Skeletals by Dan and it put giga at that weight so it’s what I’m currently going with

[fluid inlet]

It’s his list why you so pressed, if it was me I’m putting spino number 1 15 tons

[manic grail]

Im pretty sure baryonyx was bigger than rex as we saw in ice age

[opaque kayak]

Bonker moment

Stomatosuchus enormis

[stable sun]

Here's a part of my list

[fluid inlet]

Can someone give me a short break down for all these size reductions lately? Specifically towards Mosasaurids and the crocodilians.

6’5

[tough parcel]

Hi so what

[opaque kayak]

That looks absolutely enormous not even going to lie, but a lack of a meter scalebar makes me brain confusion

[stiff osprey]

for reference bunker (with a U) has an 1.85m lower jaw and the Penza Mosasaurus has a 1.71 m lower jaw, so bonker is squarely between the two in length

as for the woman she is 168 cm

[tough parcel]

Random sealed your mom into the scaleverse...?

[opaque kayak]

What women is that even

[tough parcel]

Oops already saved and sharing everywhere!

[opaque kayak]

I thought she was extremely compact or sm, not small

[sudden wind]

I was about to say that if she's 168cm tall that mandible isn't 1.75

[marsh tapir]

We ask you to please keep this chat on the topic of paleontology. Refer to the channel guidelines in it's pinned messages.

[stiff osprey]

there's bonker with a proper 1m scalebar

[fluid inlet]

What are you talking about that’s all we been doing lol

[steady rock]

besides Ichthyosauria and leed, anyother whale sized mezoic marine life?

[marsh tapir]

Redirect any moderation concerns to @feral crane, if you may. Keep in mind, however, that the server rules are not up to personal interpretation.

[manic grail]

How dare you guys talk about women

[stable sun]

we were literally talking about Tylosaurus
How is that not paleontology

[fluid inlet]

Im so confused rn

[sudden wind]

Aristonectes and possibly giant Brachauchenine Pliosaurs (15 tons or so).

[stable sun]

depends on what do you mean by whale sized

[opaque kayak]

Wasn't there a massive Strongylosteus as well?

[thorn grove]

large pliosaurs

[steady rock]

what the hell

[fluid inlet]

With everything getting nerfed can we also nerf Leeds

[opaque kayak]

There was apparently a 1.4 meter jawbone from that

[sudden wind]

3.2 meters, which is very big for a bony fish ngl.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016787824000701

[fluid inlet]

What’s the size estimations for it now?

[stable sun]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/61ed90eae2951d0efe9d498c/161de699-65d8-462c-af61-f513581668af/scale+chart+for+kimmeridge+clay.png?format=1000w
Like 13 m

[opaque kayak]

This is what Dinosaur guy got btw, interesting

[fluid inlet]

I was just kidding leave the big goofy fish alone guys, Jesus.

[opaque kayak]

Bad scaling but tried to fit it

[primal ice]

Is cop in debate still have this person saying it's bull

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/black-girl-stan-twitter-red-meme-memes-gif-23478789

[stable sun]

Well it probably is larger than Sue or Scotty

[fluid inlet]

We will nerf it too.

[opaque kayak]

Bro went on a dark ark after perucetus downsize

[primal ice]

Tbh I have a thing with cope love and hate thing with it

[outer tusk]

Tbf the peru downsize might be odd since that would make it shorter than basilosaurus

[sudden wind]

That does not look like any particular chondrostean jaw bone to me.

[manic grail]

To be honest i got sad when dunkleosteus got nerfed.

[outer tusk]

It's still pretty big at at least a ton of we're using GWS

[manic grail]

This is sad too

[fluid inlet]

Don’t remind me….

[opaque kayak]

Basilosaurus nerf

[stable sun]

Everyone knew Perucetus would get downsized

[fluid inlet]

Everyone knows cope is about to get downsized too.

[tough parcel]

This is just common sense

[manic grail]

[stable sun]

This is based on nothing.

[primal ice]

So what the debate about cope

[opaque kayak]

Prey meta

[outer tusk]

the dunk should be more like this

[fluid inlet]

This looks good, you reconstructed it?

[stable sun]

Cope is probably one of the largest known Tyrannosaurus specimens

[outer tusk]

no it's by Evocarinate/Mcraelodon

[warm saddle]

Looks cute

[rancid dove]

imo great white shark mod is better than dun lol

[scenic flame]

if I had to voice one criticism for this and other charts like it, I think it should include nuance about the sizes listed, like rex's size being the largest specimen of 15+ adults we have, giga having a shiet description and the size being from a very fragmentary 2nd specimen etc

[primal ice]

Ya but could it be another dino fossil or am I just wrong I have a thing with cope

[stable sun]

It's definitely Tyrannosaurus

[outer tusk]

Found it

[primal ice]

Okay so how big is it need a size chart

[manic grail]

Oh i see. Still sad to see him get from 10 meters to 4

[tough parcel]

If Scotty gets his title taken by Cope, I'm all for it

But I also want it to be done concretely and not based off Vibes et al. and GSP

[stable sun]

Like 12.7 meters and 11-11.5 tonnes?

[rancid dove]

need use a big great shark,this is a small specimen

[fluid inlet]

Eh.

[scenic flame]

to be completely honest I don't get why people complain about the new dunk recon, it's a real life bullet bill now

[primal ice]

Damn okay um how big is it to idk shant

[tough parcel]

I don't care if Cope wins, I just want the Canadian to lose...

[outer tusk]

^ this honestly goes for anything

Btw Falcon idk know how much you're good with Marine reptiles but I did a sachicasaurus

[thorn grove]

about the size of an average shant lol

[stable sun]

What? Shant was much larger than Cope

[primal ice]

Ermm idk

[tough parcel]

How did you get such small foreflippers....? 😭

[thorn grove]

the biggest specimen yes but bonebeds indicate an average size of like 11.3 tons

[scenic flame]

tmk these numbers for these 3 shant specimens are decent, though they don't use the what I've been told is the current best shant recon (2nd image)

[stable sun]

A large amount of these specimens might be immature afaik but unsure

[rancid dove]

The average weight of a female varies between 1,000 and 1,900 kilos. The largest white shark ever weighed weighed 2.2 tons.

[outer tusk]

am aware of the varies sizes given to the famous GWS

[thorn grove]

yea the fully grown average is likely to be larger but we don't really know enough about shant ontogeny to say rn

[stable sun]

it is that big

[primal ice]

Okay I'm gaining knowledge okay so cope is bigger then ed then so it's double the size of a average trex then yes

[scenic flame]

my favourite part about shant is how robust their mandible is, they have a chin that'd make giga jealous

[thorn grove]

Shant is just the chad version of Edmonto

[tough parcel]

An average rex is bigger than average Edmonto, anyone who claims otherwise is on some high tier cope

[stable sun]

Not double the size of an average rex.

[primal ice]

I have grammar bad because my autism so Ed's actually small I thought isn't their 2 Ed's species tho

[thorn grove]

there are but even the larger species is smaller on average than rex, albeit with a ridiculous amount of individual variation such that there are like 2 specimens bigger than rex and a bunch of ones smaller

[primal ice]

Okays so copes massive....

[stable sun]

630 mm femur circumference

[steady rock]

" i have grammar because my autism " ????

[fluid inlet]

lol

[primal ice]

Okay so it's a brute um ahh okay what sauropod is cope size of i need knowledge any kind of sauropod I'm horrible at choosing

[stable sun]

Phuwiangosaurus

[primal ice]

Okay now I see how big

[stiff osprey]

skull recon is a bit wonky but i see my error, there are 6 teeth and not 7

this upsizes the jaw to 185-190 cm which is about tied with Bunker, or slightly larger, 13.8-13.9 m

[craggy mesa]

Does anyone happen to have a discord for idk what it would be called but like arrowheads axes petroglyphs those sorta things?
Indian finds ig

[opaque kayak]

Very interesting, but still not sure how Fadeno managed to get a 17 meter tylo on it

[steady rock]

i saw that\

[fluid inlet]

Besides carcharodontosaurus I’m curious to know what creatures got bigger size estimations ?

[stiff osprey]

Zietlow told us it had a femur 22% larger than Bunker's so that would put it at 16m+ but the skull remains don't support this size

[tough parcel]

Once upon a time, but it was flooded by horrible people so it was deleted

[opaque kayak]

Has Fadeno ever revealed what was his other four specimens which surpass Bunker?

[craggy mesa]

I can’t find any online found some things that I don’t really know if it’s man made figured people like yall would have one

[primal ice]

I was told giga got bigger

[opaque kayak]

Tiktaalik got upsized a bit iirc

[stiff osprey]

one of them was FMSM VP 6496 which is 12.1-13.8 m, the other three are probably random isolated teeth or something

[tough parcel]

Anthropology draws some real unsavory characters especially in an online setting

PoTbot doesn't want me to say what they are, but you can probably guess

[outer tusk]

which would make this specimen above <10 tonnes?

[fluid inlet]

Big if true

[craggy mesa]

Yea
I’ve founds some graverobbed Indians and ccc camp graveyards it’s honestly horrible

[steady rock]

should martha have been able to scare off matilda in prehestoric park?

[opaque kayak]

I mean bunker is like 10 tons, and it's basically the same size so probably around that?

[tough parcel]

She wasn't scared off, just decided Nigel looked easier

[outer tusk]

Bunker is closer to 9.6 tonnes and I think closer to 13 meters rather than 13.5 or 13.9

[stiff osprey]

Considering Matilda was like 8 years old in this show, she should be half the size of Martha

[opaque kayak]

Peak body

[fluid inlet]

Can’t wait for us to find another giganotosaurus and it ends up bigger than both of the ones we already have.

[primal ice]

Wait till we get a short spinosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurs will go back to 15 tons by 2030.

[opaque kayak]

I like the prey meta of hopefully bigger x is discovered so it can beat x.

[primal ice]

That would be legendary but as i Was seen rex because of ed cope is the biggest as I was told

[steady rock]

y'all should matilda's fat self have really dodged the deinosuchus's attack?

[opaque kayak]

That being said I honestly have a feeling Cope is going to be downsized in the future. IMO def above scotty and Sue, but maybe not the 11 ton thing

[tough parcel]

Yea

[primal ice]

Feel like Scott gonna get to copes size cope replaced bye Scott size

[fluid inlet]

Good.

[manic grail]

I really hope

[warm saddle]

I'd prob assume yes

[steady rock]

i wish they made another documentry like prehestoric park

[primal ice]

But as we all know spino always gets the worst papers

[steady rock]

is this true?

[primal ice]

Now we humans have a chest we don't die when we fall over on it

[steady rock]

???

[outer tusk]

this imagine is so nostalgic

[wind prairie]

I don't see how it couldn't be. When you weigh 8 tons and you're a biped I think even a light fall could kill

[primal ice]

Actually hmm I guess so

[fluid inlet]

Chama

[manic grail]

Who do yall think would win trex or mammoth?

[primal ice]

Trex dealt with hairless mammoths before

[craggy mesa]

[warm saddle]

If i'd hazard a guess prob t.rex

[craggy mesa]

Manny ain’t got nothen on dinosaurs

[stable sun]

Random got 8.9 t for the same recon btw

[loud wing]

inostrancevia

[primal ice]

Hmm

[manic grail]

What about palaeloxodon or whatever its called

[spice snow]

Try to tell me with a straight face that tameryraptor isn't jp3 ceratosaurus

[primal ice]

Ehh idk average trex don't win depends if you pick type of rex your pickin cope then probably same scotty or sue or other Rex's idk 50/50

[opaque kayak]

Oof

[stable sun]

Horn is probably too big

[fluid inlet]

You might be onto something

[hallow spear]

Not the same recon, different dorsal view

[drifting condor]

Why are the biggest land animals typically herbivores?

[thorn grove]

a couple reasons are that as you move up the food chain less energy is available, additionally larger guts are more efficient at processing plant matter but meat is generally easier to digest so there's more of an evolutionary incentive towards larger sizes in herbivores

[steady rock]

what was the largest terrestial carnivore of the triassic? im gonna assume prestosuchus?

[outer tusk]

Fasolasuchus at 1.6, second would be presto at 1.4 tonnes

[warm saddle]

How big is saurosuchuss?

[fluid inlet]

Sarcosuchus?

[warm saddle]

Saurosuchus

[sudden wind]

Saurosuchus, a large Rauisuchian.

[warm saddle]

Well how big are the current estimate?

[steady rock]

https://x.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1882297272597188813 someone explain to me in dinosaurs why the hawk cant see all of them

Nature is Amazing ☘️ (@AMAZlNGNATURE) on X

Camouflage of the Emerald Leaf Parrots making them nearly invisible to predators such as hawks

X · Jan 23, 2025, 5:20 AM

[topaz shell]

Erm bro isn’t hungry
Therefor wouldn’t need to waste energy on killing random birds

[warm saddle]

Thanks

[outer tusk]

it's explained in the video

[opaque kayak]

Hawk Tuah

[fluid inlet]

What’s the top one

[outer tusk]

Tylosaurus

[fossil ingot]

Melanosuchus Propaganda

[fossil ingot]

Going by this, do you have any idea how big “average” T.progrier is?
In Length and Weight

[fossil ingot]

Would M.hoffmani have a similar number?

[stiff osprey]

No and unknown

[outer tusk]

The back flipper look okay?

[static widget]

love that the dude has a gun for american refrance

[quasi token]

not sure if it would go that high but its probably fine
monquirasaurus yeah?

[outer tusk]

Yes also wdym by that high?

[forest minnow]

how much would a tylo this size weigh if you dont mind me asking

[stiff osprey]

10t ish

[fluid inlet]

I wish that Rex would try to come in the water with the big dawgs

[topaz shell]

The Rex would proceed to evolve flippers

[frigid delta]

istg i've seen this Mosa/Tylo on twt but i forgot which tweet
anyone has a link/saved img to it?

[round hedge]

Behemoth vs Leviathan be like:

[manic grail]

Im pretty sure we saw them both fight in jurassic park 3 so no need to theorize who wins and who doesnt

[sudden wind]

Give it more flesh.

[stable sun]

Yes but same lateral, that's my point

[sharp dragon]

Poseidran Rex? is that you?

[quasi token]

beautiful 🔥

[round hedge]

Also for your video game ?

It's an absolutely stunning design

[outer tusk]

Yes

[round hedge]

If I'm not mistaken, it's sachisaurus

Right ?

[outer tusk]

This one is Sachicasaurus, the one above is monquirasaurus

[quasi token]

yeah they're very similiar, but monquira has the more croc-like snoot and more evenly sized flippers, while sachi has the very small front flippers and is just an absolute unit even by pliosaur standards (as in, it's the biggest one known, at least from any decent material)

[outer tusk]

Sachicasaurus is also larger than Monquira

[tawdry lintel]

Is this size with rex and Tyrannotitan accurate ?

Oh wait I just noticed Carcha is bigger here which shouldn't be, so it could be wrong in everyone too

[outer tusk]

What are you talking about carchar isn't bigger here

[tawdry lintel]

Is placed before Giga

I think I got it wrong, usually they re displayed to bigger to smaller, but here it seems is just random

The Carcha is much bigger than I thought, wow

[stable sun]

~12-13 m, ~7-8 t, possibly bigger or smaller

[tawdry lintel]

Dayum

[upper robin]

Remove ripple beach spawn NOW

[sterile trail]

Real, but wrong chat 😭

[upper robin]

u seem to be correct sorry pookies

[steady rock]

More like dookies

[primal ice]

This is way to accurate

[hallow spear]

Yes but the dorsal view should be mentioned otherwise they might think random did the same as me and got lower

[steady rock]

Do you guys think we'll ever find a chasmosaurine from asia?

[manic grail]

Did trex and some other dinos have lips or is it still just a theory?

[round hedge]

Aaaaaah, i was wondering why the other guy's tail fluke was poorly developped, sachi had it but monquira didn't really, interesting

[winter marsh]

they probably had lips, it isnt confirmed I believe but its the current theory, although some like Spinosaurus might not had lips as they were fishers, kinda like crocodiles

[outer tusk]

Idk what you're talking about but they both have tail fluke

[winter marsh]

do we even know the shape of their tail flukes

[tough parcel]

If you can provide a solid reason why they would need to lose lips, you have an argument but so far, it's just Jurassic Park nostalgia cope

[manic grail]

Why would they have lips?

[light osprey]

They wouldn’t of course! The mighty tyrannosaurus was not beta like the Mammalia and maintained a fierce reptilian appearance in every sense

[kind mason]

Why does this look messed up?

[warped peak]

Because it is messed up

Mammalian Rex and predatory Edmonto

[winter marsh]

why do we have lips? Obviously to kiss, it was known that Tyrannosaurus were exceptional kissers

[tough parcel]

Because it's the basal state of tetrapods hence why almost all animals have them

The only animals that do not have them lost them due to environmental pressures (fish eaters like crocs and river dolphins benefitted from no lips to easier sweep their heads side to side)

[kind mason]

Ah it finally clicked in my head

[warped peak]

It is so cursed it's great

[manic grail]

I see

[manic grail]

I totally forgot about rex in toy story. There we clearly saw how the trex looks

[kind mason]

Opinions on this Spinosaurus drawing? I personally like it, just remove the lips and adjust the spine a little

[steady rock]

Spinosaurua with webbed feet is bases

[ionic crescent]

And remember kids, is a bad idea to give dinosaurs komodo like lips due to being very separated (also teeth shading), and the best way to depict theropods is the tuatara way

Until next time

[round hedge]

But sachisaurus has a bigger one, at least from the ilustrations used

[outer tusk]

It's the bigger animal in general not just in my referenced illustrations

[round hedge]

Ok, good to know

But what is the game gonna be like Anyways ?

Either way, i'll still want to try it out when it's finnished

(Even tho it might not come to PS4)

But, the name ?

[outer tusk]

"Land Of The Many" ( placeholder name )

[tall prawn]

can somone tell what is a metricanthosaurid doing in the cretacous (siamotyrannus)

[compact leaf]

because the jurassic-cretaceous extinction is a myth

[tawdry lintel]

By the way, Spino was the longest, but was it that long compared to the others ?

[tough parcel]

Yea

[steady rock]

What's the largest dinosaur excluding sauropods and hadrosaurs?

[tawdry lintel]

Really like this one, thank you

[kind mason]

Do you mean largest by height?

[steady rock]

Weight

[stable sun]

It isn't the only one either

[tall prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-thor-impossible-ragnarok-impossible-impossible-not-possible-gif-19896965

[stable sun]

Maybe Triceratops?

[stable sun]

I don't see why wouldn't it be

[winter marsh]

I think you should also know there are cretaceous stegosaurids

[tall prawn]

@stable sun what now theres allosaurids living in the cretacous

[stable sun]

Yeah there's one unnamed one from France

[tall vale]

It’s a tie between giganotosaurus and tyrannosaurus at the moment because at their largest they weigh basically the same if you use the highest estimate of giga it gets to 11.1t, the largest estimate of Rex is also 11.1t

[stable sun]

We have a prosauropod larger than both of them in size. So not them.

[tall vale]

So I wasn’t informed of this

[tall prawn]

@stable sun can you tell me epantierias EXACT weight

[stable sun]

Likely about 5-6 t

[patent mist]

What about nedoceratops

[tall prawn]

and is epanterias bigger or smaller than torvosaurus

[stable sun]

similar to largest Torvosaurus specimens

[tall vale]

How big is it and what is this prosauropod called?

[stable sun]

About 16 meters long and unnamed

[tall prawn]

and why am i hearing nhmuk is reiable

[stable sun]

it isn't, it's definitely large but it isn't reliable

[opaque kayak]

My guy why are you repeating this a thousand times and who is telling you that 😭

[tall prawn]

you in dizzy server

[opaque kayak]

When did I ever tell you that. Let's see it.

[opaque kayak]

How in the world is this me telling that that jawbone is reliable? I literally told you that something is unreliable doesn't mean it should be disregarded entirely

And the problem is that you keep using this to say as if this should be simply be applied to spinosaurus, as if the fundamentally scalebar-measured and contradicting fragmentary specimens like CM or TMM deinosuchus is usable in this standard

[tough parcel]

Average OMNH conversation

[opaque kayak]

I love how he asks this a thousand times to ever server, as if the answer will change

Look above

[fossil ingot]

5.9t?

[opaque kayak]

It was a old estimate before random's dorsal was out

[fossil ingot]

Ohh yeah makes more sense now

[opaque kayak]

That's the name, but it's private

[sudden wind]

Proportions are off : skull and neck are too small.

[steady rock]

what prosauropod?

[floral cradle]

Lokiceratops perhaps the biggest ceratopsian

[round hedge]

Eotrike is just beeg trike

[stable sun]

Largest known Trike was probably larger than Eotrike

[round hedge]

True, but who knows, we may find a bigger eotrike or toro

But trike wins for now

[compact leaf]

the largest torosaurus are also comparable to trike

[round hedge]

Wait, so there was an Australian species of allosaurus ?

(i think I'm the only one who remembers dino quest, but it's a core memory of my childhood)

[tough parcel]

Eotrike is smaller than Trike wdym

[fluid inlet]

@opaque kayak can you tell me epantierias EXACT weight

[round hedge]

I didn't know then, now i know

But toro ?

Is he also smaller ?

[opaque kayak]

@fluid inlet guys what is OMNH 1188?

[tough parcel]

Same size

[round hedge]

So........

[fluid inlet]

Sadly Torvosaurus was beating him up over there.

[round hedge]

Ngl, I'm more shocked that allo and torvo also lived in Australia in the first place

Wait, so then the largest predator dino from Australia is not australovenator

Like i knew about them living in Europe, North America and that

So what species of allosaurus is the australian one ?

[round hedge]

So even before megalania and procoptodon it was a hellhole

Ngl, Australia's fauna only gets nerfed more and more as time passes

[fluid inlet]

Life has been a hellhole for as long as it has existed tbh.

[tough parcel]

They didn't, it's referrals from when paleontology was a bit more silly

[round hedge]

But it got a bit more less intense

Just a little bit

[fluid inlet]

I find even singular cell forms chaos just as interesting tbh https://youtu.be/sq6Y54mxjOg?si=tyj1jz1IvN2o8UkB

[round hedge]

Idk If living in Australia during the mezozoic era or after the dinosaurs went extinct

[round hedge]

Nah dude, You capping...

IT'S WAY MORE INTERESTING

[fluid inlet]

It’s very interesting because it’s simply a world we can’t see with the blind eye, same way prehistoric life is interesting.

[round hedge]

After seeing the single-celular organism word, everything else seems boring to me

[fluid inlet]

It’s a very interesting world

[stable sun]

No

[fluid inlet]

I’m curious to know how much single cellular life has changed from this period to periods of the past.

That’s a loop hope much more complex , I agree and it really challenges you to think about this crazy thing we call life.

[nocturne cairn]

Allo and Torvo didn't live in Australia. I think some of what's referred to either Australovenator or another Australian theropod used to be assigned to an indeterminate Allosaur but has since been reassigned

[stable sun]

there was "Allosaurus" "robustus" which turned out to be a Megaraptoran

[ionic crescent]

Shhh, they still don't know 🤫

[tough parcel]

There is nothing to know 💀

[outer tusk]

Eotrike aka fraud trike

[hallow spear]

Arguably, triceratops is probably less stable than Eotriceratops is in all way aside from that it’s entirely valid lmaooo

[vapid lotus]

I mean subadult eotrike is already comparable to trike in size

[tough parcel]

I mean tbf, TTT has a perfectly fine base model as...TTT

Role-wise, you're gonna get a bleeder carch and that's all that ever happens 🥀

[outer tusk]

I wanna play TTT so badly now

[tough parcel]

Society when asked to make a non-scavenger bully Ceratosaurus

[fossil ingot]

POT TTT looks like TTT
Not like Rex

[steady rock]

#justiceforthedinosaurs

[fluid inlet]

They should of used life on our planet footage but none the less this was a good video

[spice snow]

I actually hate the K-PG extinction event so much

[umbral kite]

do crocodile jaws lock

[floral cradle]

lokiceratops is the biggest ceratopsian

[marsh tapir]

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[fluid inlet]

Parrot was the video of the KPG Extinction not on subject?

[spice snow]

Wait why did that video get deleted

It was about dinosaurs

[marsh tapir]

Upon review, I might've deleted it on accident, although I don't really recall doing so, it might've gotten in as collateral.

My deepest apologies and, to the user that posted it, feel free to post it again.

It was, of course, on topic.

[spice snow]

Np

[mellow gale]

Man I really wish Spino looked like this. It needs a TLC eventually. No rush ofc

[fossil ingot]

Why is Bro's Tail on the ground
Looks cool tho

But yeah Spino looks cool.
Tho ngl All POT Spino is missing IMO is Paddle Tail, Slightly longer Arms, better Textures and thats kinda it
Similar to what Sucho got

[mellow gale]

It’s a very interesting creature for sure

[fluid inlet]

Damn this one looks awesome

[topaz shell]

This reminds me of that dinosaur model

[outer tusk]

That's because it is that dinosaur model

[velvet burrow]

Until you get to the HIDEOUS T. carolinii morph

[winter marsh]

Nerf meteors, they one shot my Alamo

[steady rock]

which of these is the most accurate leed depiction?

[opaque kayak]

Crocodile size comp by Randomdinos https://www.deviantart.com/randomdinos/art/Tick-Tock-Mk-IV-1150972572

Sarco is now 3.4 tons

Machimosaurus to 7.7 meters and 1.8 tons, and Astorgosuchus to 7.9 meters and 2.4 tons

[primal ice]

Whats is bissekty giant raptor I was scrolling on YouTube when I found a vid about a raptor twice the size of utah is this a real or invalid genus raptor or is it up debate?

[warped peak]

It's pretty fragmentary so don't take it too seriously

[primal ice]

I'm just saying iv never heard of it

[warped peak]

It's a specimen, but it's a couple toe bones

Maybe part of a maxilla if Uleghbegh is considered a synonym

[primal ice]

Oh uleghbegh what happened to him again

[warped peak]

Bruh outdated my up to date presentation on this crap 5 minutes after I finished presenting it

[outer tusk]

Bissekty raptor would be closer to 800kg

[primal ice]

Idk I was just scrolling in YouTube found this picture of a massive raptor and I had to click

[tough parcel]

The Bisquette Giant when Theropoda indet. walks in

[warped peak]

How'd we get here?

That is a massive shrinking to the skull

[outer tusk]

that's not the same speices

[warped peak]

Oop

Wait why was big Machimo omitted then

[outer tusk]

ask henry

[warped peak]

Well if it makes you feel better, Lesotho might be heavier than Sarco now lol

[stiff osprey]

very funny choice of words as the skull stayed the exact same size

[sullen cairn]

*biscuit

[warped peak]

It could be perspective, but it definitely looks like the skull shrunk

[stiff osprey]

it was 149 cm before and is 149 cm now

[outer tusk]

peak

[warped peak]

shrug my bad

Still super happy to see it. And ngl I'm even happier Sarco and Deino got shrunk

They always seemed off

[sullen cairn]

Where are you guys doing prehistoric pseudosuchian presentations

[warped peak]

Mine was focused on Temnospondyls, and only had a brief overview on some Pseudosuchians

Once I edit out some personal info, I'll happily share it

Got a positive review from people directly associated with the description of Gaiasia

[sullen cairn]

Would be cool to see then

[warped peak]

Focuses on the figures seen here, and an in-depth dive into the fine details of Temnospondyl anatomy, particularly Prionosuchus and how I got my model to where it's at

[stiff osprey]

There's a 2 meter hibbert?

[wraith kindle]

The height difference is roughly the same as the man and woman there.

Its proportions are a little different though, true.

Also, JP velociraptors arms are lanky as hell.

[warped peak]

The size is a bit debated so it's not concrete, but it gives something to work with

[wraith kindle]

Actually, is there one that incliudes laten? If it was a dromaeosaurid (which it isn't), it would count as a giant one.

[lapis yarrow]

Unfortunately not

[fluid inlet]

Wut is ramphosuchus wut

[warped peak]

Sachica?

[opaque kayak]

Yeah, bro has a fin imbalance

[potent rapids]

Sachicasaurus's front flippers are indeed much smaller than their hind flippers. This is fairly standard for Brachauchenius pliosaurs, and Sachicasaurus is just a more exceptional example in this case. The only thing which might be able to be shifted here is the length of the distal end of the humerus here, as it was crushed and eroded in the original fossil. That being said, both Zhao, 2024's pliosaur reconstructions and my reconstruction has the front flippers as the same width, and with a minor length difference, so don't expect a different recon will change the size of the front flippers much.

[fluid inlet]

Utahraptor daddy

https://x.com/wachirawit96111/status/1838547261380321438?s=46

Mr.bossaurus (@Wachirawit96111) on X

Tyrannotitan and sunset 🌅

#paleoart #tyrannotitan #carcharodontosauridae #theropods #dinosaurs #art

X · Sep 24, 2024, 11:53 AM

[sly viper]

Can quills fossilize?

[halcyon cobalt]

yes

[sly viper]

Alr ty

[fossil ingot]

My 2nd Goat Grypo remains on Top

[fluid inlet]

Rhamposuchus victim

[manic grail]

Both snouts look like they would break if i stepped on them

[halcyon cobalt]

if you stepped on them they would probably eat you

[fluid inlet]

Probably?

[manic grail]

7 victims

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/FG2lnL5aDy8?si=SBw4IuljmGdi_lg3

Lacrymaria apex predators of the underworld

[sudden wind]

2 is better but still not great.

[spice snow]

Does anyone have hynerpeton skeletals? I seriously can't find any

[fluid inlet]

https://nypost.com/2025/01/22/science/largest-two-legged-dinosaur-footprints-discovered-scientists-say/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3gVdHFYzt-fmDiFkneJXmG8lAQqVvKmIptpDAeYsYT6y351DlISuZcVkU_aem_P8kK1_XPABQ-tV7vnDt1aA

[frigid delta]

wait a min doesn't this applies on crocodilians in general???

[halcyon cobalt]

Why wouldn’t it

[manic grail]

Is 2.5-3.8 tons outdated for sucho? Because everywhere in the internet it usually starts from 2.5 tons to 3.8 or 5.2 tons

[stable sun]

Probably about 5 t

[manic grail]

But are the lowest estimates (2.5) outdated?

[manic grail]

Also is this accurate?

[stable sun]

Yes

[manic grail]

Ok thanks. So is 5 tons the lowest or highest estimate? If it is the highest estimate what is then the lowest estimate?

[stable sun]

it is the most likely estimate atm

[frigid delta]

lmfao
my honest reaction seeing this bigass fish from a jaw fragment:

[sudden wind]

There is something off. There must be something off.

[opaque kayak]

I only fear

[robust widget]

Bro I’m so confused does Pycnonemosaurus have horns or not?

[sudden wind]

Probably not

[robust widget]

Then why does it have horns in path of titans

[noble dune]

Weird dev choices?

[thorn grove]

they wanted carno without calling it carno

[warped peak]

*they wanted bigger badder Carno

[fossil ingot]

Pycno mention?
Pycno Jumpscare

[mellow prism]

pycno dwarfed

[fossil ingot]

Conc Jumpscare

[brave stump]

How could paleontologist are sure that’s a abelisauridae ? There’s not much bones

[stable sun]

The bones have traits only found in Abelisaurids

[stable sun]

We have no idea because it has no skull elements

[patent mist]

Closest relative with a preserved skull doesn't have them which makes it a safer bet to assume pycno does not have them

[brave stump]

Tell me more

[stable sun]

Its precise placement in brachyrostra isn't very certain

[stable sun]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28610214/ read this

[patent mist]

Ah fair enough

[brave stump]

Thank you

[round hedge]

So we know that the CT majungasaurus is way stronger than the irl majungasaurus, and that the irl suchomimus is stronger than the CT suchomimus

Well then who is stronger, chaos theory majunga, or real life sucho

My money's on suchomimus here

[fossil ingot]

Chaos Theory Majunga likely
Mostly cause JW Moment and Bulk, Bite Advantages
Irl Majunga already Bites Harder than Sucho
CT Majunga isn't THAT small
CT Sucho is the size of Franoys Sucho tmk so while yes Sucho got bigger, CT Majunga just has JW Moment smh

[outer tusk]

idk if it's just me but seems oddly similar to Random's concavenator

[fossil ingot]

You are not the only one who thought that lol

Tail seems slightly different
Skull kinda too??
Arms are different

[stable sun]

Tbf not surprising, it's a very complete animal

[fossil ingot]

[wraith kindle]

Babu conc.

[wraith kindle]

They do illustrate the skull a bit differently and either silhouette the other side or that's the internals.

The gastralia are also longer on the other one and the ribs are spaced differently, looks like one has more ribs?

As Torvo said, it's a very complete animal I guess, so, the differences are going to be more subtle and down to the style of the two artists.

[restive crag]

Whoever made this Concavenator is probably very handsome

[round hedge]

..........well that is something i did not know, but how strong is irl sucho and majunga bite ?

[forest minnow]

Is that Maip? Cause this is what I got pycno compared to Maip

[mellow prism]

thats not Maip

[stable sun]

That's not Maip, Maip is from Argentina, the one he sent is from the same formation as Pycnonemosaurus

[fossil ingot]

And Pycno is likely Heavier smh

[outer tusk]

I actually did a lineart of you're older concavenator skeletal

[fossil ingot]

Majunga Bite is around 7.85KN
Sucho is around 5-6KN

[restive crag]

It’s just a single vert tho, don’t take it super seriously size wise

[fossil ingot]

Maip is around 2-2.5t
Iirc Random's Pycno got to 2.7t scaling of Carno, this guy right here is likely still around that weight

[opaque kayak]

Gotta like the concaveness

[mellow prism]

yeah and therte are no meadurments, its based on scalebar

[fossil ingot]

This Giga was likely my Fav for quite the Time lol
Looked so Chad

[opaque kayak]

Holy crap is that thing huge, I wonder how much it weighs

[restive crag]

It’s not very good

[round hedge]

It's got dat giga chin

[fossil ingot]

Now we got this which is Obv Better to represent Giga.
But I liked how that One Looked lol

[opaque kayak]

Gosh darn though 11.23 tons is no joke

[honest cobalt]

Giga got chonky

[round hedge]

Wich is the most accurate dino dan creature design ?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah but then again its Dentary and Dentary is Like a Mess specially when Individual Variation exists and more so its kinda hard

[stable sun]

That thing he sent is 10.2 m long which results in 3.7 t based on Aerosteon

[opaque kayak]

Fair point

[honest cobalt]

Rex is still the biggest right?

[fossil ingot]

Ohh you mean that Giant One based on the Black Silohuette?
I was talkimg About Random's Maip not that thing

[round hedge]

After all, some gigas are bigger than some rexes, and vice-versa, i doubt we found the largest specimen of both yet

[honest cobalt]

Yep! It’s always changing. I love that

[stable sun]

We most likely will never find the largest specimen of rex or Giga

[fossil ingot]

I mean
If you don't count Dentary who is a Mess, yeah

[round hedge]

YOU might, but for most it's kind of irritating

[honest cobalt]

Ah ok, ty all for the responses

[stable sun]

E.D. Cope is similar in size to that dentary anyway but is also far more complete

[restive crag]

Generally don’t take size estimates for much

[fossil ingot]

Maip Jumpscare

[honest cobalt]

Tyrannotitan is oversized in game right?

[round hedge]

Beeg boi

[honest cobalt]

That monitor is theirs now

[restive crag]

For the 2 specimens we have maybe, but there were likely millions of Tyrannotitans that existed at some point and some were likely around in-game size

[stable sun]

Anyways phylogeny tree of theropoda (if it seems low res click open in browser because it isn't low res)

[fossil ingot]

I don't like Cope and never will until we get proper Stuff cause Rex Individual Variation is wide

@honest cobalt yeah, tmk Ingame TTT is 13m
Irl Largest TTT is 11.6m

[round hedge]

Depends, i mean there is a carollini species in place of giga, and it's kinda the same size as chubbutensis, so a tad bit ig

[honest cobalt]

The giga sub is very skinny

[fossil ingot]

They should had named it Rosae cause of Mapu

[fluid inlet]

Tyrannotitan X lokiceratops

[round hedge]

POST EOCARCHARIA WHEN THEY LEAST EXPECT IT

[honest cobalt]

I want these!

[stable sun]

I don't get what individual variation has to do with this
It exceeds any rex specimens in its measumerents, including femur (except length), tibia, fibula and maxilla. Stuff like femora is generally reliable for size estimation, and you can't really blame the gigantic size of the elements on individual variation

You're using the Giganotosaurus dentary over Cope, even though a dentary has far more individual variation. For example Sue has a 25% larger dentary than the Tyrannosaurus holotype, despite being only a few percent larger in length.

you could say you might be coping (ba dum tss)

[round hedge]

Hot take, dacentrurus is underrated

[fluid inlet]

I’m surprised you don’t have a collection going on!

[honest cobalt]

I have some Papo figures, but I would love those style figures

[fossil ingot]

When did I its Good to use Dentary???
When I have said that Both are a Mess with Dentary been the worse mess
Been slightly better than a Horrible Mess still doesn't make it good.
Cope is a guy which estimates changes on who is asked, its a Big Rex but how exactly Big it is is still under debate

[mellow prism]

dentary scaling lmao

[round hedge]

You guys have all this fancy stuff, i only have 2 tubes of CollectA minifigs and a single papo cryolophosaurus 😭

[fluid inlet]

The best models for paleo accuracy are pnso and Haolonggood, which is the route I’m going I want as accurate as I can get minus maybe color patterns!

[honest cobalt]

Ty! I’ll look into them

[stable sun]

Nvm sorry

Cope isn't really that much of a mess. Its estimates are consistently in the same region and consistently larger than Sue or Scotty. It has stuff like a femur preserved, which allows for a more accurate weight estimate.

[sullen cairn]

it seems yall have forgotten about the gomez dinosaur and sinotherapodus axisgigas and campi

[vapid lotus]

reminder that if your standards for reliability are high enough, basically like the vast majority of fossil specimens you would have to ignore

[mellow prism]

this is the goat

[fossil ingot]

Dw.
I hate Dentary Giga more than 13-15t Deino.

And Regarding Cope, I have seen Stuff making it smaller than sue and Scotty
Cause even with Width/Circunference the guy is weird, TTT's Holotype is technically fatter than the Paratype despite its smaller size.
And this is just my personal Preference that I won't take Cope seriously until mf gets better.
Dentary Giga can burn tho

[stable sun]

It can't really be smaller than Sue and Scotty while being larger than them in every measumerent except femur length.

You can ignore femur circumference, there are still many other measumerents you can use like fibula, tibia and maxilla size. I think the TTT femur circumference might be a bit of an error since the original description actually reports a larger circumference and mishaft width for the paratype and not the holotype.

[fluid inlet]

I reckon it’s in the same ball park as them not much bigger but bigger.

[vapid lotus]

well, everything except the femur length suggests noticeably larger

[outer tusk]

closer 3,200kg althought it is a subadult animal with a possible adult size of 4,500kg

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Random said the 3.2t was wrong or rather asked how they got 3.2t
And a Adult Pycno can either be Much larger or not Much Larger
Cause we aren't sure how much missing to grow it had

[mellow prism]

Pycnonemosaurus could be more massive, but I don't buy that adult estimates

[fluid inlet]

Allosaurus

[stable sun]

it is bigger than Sue

[fluid inlet]

I’d reckon so

[stable sun]

Well yeah

[low raven]

The horns is just so we can play as “carno” that’s why the main sub species doesn’t have the horns

[warped peak]

(Only one subspecies lacks horns and it's the third subspecies)

[low raven]

Could’ve sworn it was the 1st one but I haven’t touched pycno since it came out. Well correction the one closest to the actual pycno is the 3rd subspecies then

[manic grail]

As if they'll get copyright striked if they put carnotautus in the game

[round hedge]

Same as using eotrike instead of trike, but this is more excusable bc they are almost the same

[warped peak]

Nah Eotrike was bigger when it was added

[lapis yarrow]

It's even speculated megalania was a bad swimmer aswell. But this game has em as pretty good so that's another thing.

Also kentrosaurus spikes were fused into the skin not to the spine/bone

[fluid inlet]

Based off what kind of estimations

[warped peak]

the estimates that made Eotrike a kaiju

[fluid inlet]

So unreliable estimations and chalked it up to legit.

[steady rock]

does this mean ankylosaurs and nodasaurs would be good at skateboarding?

[lapis yarrow]

If you could make a skateboard capable of their weight then yes

[steady rock]

stegouros would be the perfect size!

[hardy sentinel]

Have we ever named/identified a subspecies in any dinosaurs?

I mean it as in subspecies, not species.

I know PoT has confused a lot of people due to species for some reason being called subspecies. I guess a modern example is how bears have multiple subspecies within the Ursus Arcotos

[steady rock]

triceratops horridus
triceratops prorsus

[hardy sentinel]

Those are species within a genus

It goes Genus, Species, Subspecies

[steady rock]

pachy and what became of stygi and draco?

[hardy sentinel]

That would still be a different species than Wyomingensis if it turns out stygi and draco were different from Pachycephalosaurus Wyomingensis

[mellow prism]

no

[hardy sentinel]

Darn

[warped peak]

Can someone translate what the mandible is actually doing here to English (RE; Rhizodus mandible and swallowing)

[restive crag]

Generally the differences between subspecies are sooooo little skeletally if there even were any, they might not even be preserved on the fossils themselves

[hardy sentinel]

[timber kiln]

From what im understanding is the mandible of Rhizodus hibbertt is narrow and structurally weak, making it not good at handling twisting forces. The large tusks at the front of its jaw would first contact the prey and create along the jaw. This twisting force would help the animal grip its prey more securely. Even though the jaw is not very strong in resisting these forces, it actually used this twisting to its advantage.
When the animal caught prey, the tusks would grip it, and the torsion would help lock the prey in place. The "gulping" motion—where the jaws open slightly and then close—would allow the jaw to readjust, releasing and then reapplying the grip on the prey. This system helped the predator hold onto large, struggling prey more effectively

[winter marsh]

subspecies cant really be defined when we dont even know what the original creatures looked like. Subspecies mostly vary in color or fur/feather arrangement I believe and we cant have a subspecies if we dont even know what colors the normal dinosaurs were and I am repeating myself, whatever you get it

[fluid inlet]

We are sub species

[compact leaf]

subspecies is a purely genetic distinction, you can only find them if you have an animals genome

[steady rock]

What are some subspecies irl?

[compact leaf]

well we’re one, eastern and western lowland gorillas, brown bears and asian elephants both have a few

[hallow spear]

Gorilla gorilla gorilla type sh

[winter marsh]

what is the current size for Machimosaurus?

[compact leaf]

Gorilla gorilla gorilla is our greatest scientific triumph

[small geyser]

Gray wolves are another

[west coral]

Gorilla gorilla gorilla vs Bison bison bison

[outer tusk]

Which species?

[winter marsh]

both Rex and Hugii

[outer tusk]

7.7m - ~1800kg
7.4m - ~1600kg

[winter marsh]

my boi got shrunk

[outer tusk]

Tbf hugii and rex were already around the 7 meter range

[modest meteor]

Using snakes as an example since I know a lot about them but gartersnakes and watersnakes have many subspecies.

The type species for Garters is the Common Gartersnake(Thamnophis Sirtalis), which is then split into many subspecies. To name a few: The Eastern Garter(T. s. sirtalis), the Plains Garter(T. radix), the Western Terrestrial garter(T. elegans) and etc

Same for watersnakes, type species is the Common Watersnake which then splits into multiple subspecies like the northern, the broadbanded watersnake, Mississippi green water snake, the Florida banded watersnake, etc

[fluid inlet]

Me anytime yall want to nerf something https://youtu.be/k-BoeBedZ3k?si=Of10tHdtERGQZs2e

https://x.com/0coffeeblack0/status/1883236173050679688?s=46

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Not done yet, but we are getting there. 🦕

#Camarasaurus #Jurassic #dinosaur #paleoart #sciart #humanart

X · Jan 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

[steady rock]

rhizodus is closer to being a amaphibian then most fish??

[warped peak]

Rhizodus is at about the same level of fishiness as Tiktaalik

[steady rock]

does a tiktaalik count as a transition species? ( i think thats the term im looking for?)

[warped peak]

It is not a transitional species, but it is closer to a Tetrapod than it is to a Ray-Finned Fish (all fish that aren't lung fish or coelecanth basically)

[halcyon cobalt]

technically all species are transitional species

[indigo cradle]

I'm the transition between ape and Ryan gosling

[warm saddle]

How long and tall (at the hips) was acro?

[frigid delta]

you call me?

[snow python]

11,7m long, 3m tall at the hips, could be wrong thouh

[steady rock]

acro is 3 apples tall at the hip

[warm saddle]

Hmmm

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/flandre-touhou-fumo-information-flan-gif-27055471

[spice snow]

If the 7 deadly sins were ancient animals, xiphactinus would be Gluttony

[steady rock]

why

shouldnt a sauropod or filter feeder be gluttony due to how much their required to eat?

[spice snow]

Xiphactinus fossils show them eating more than they can chew and die

[steady rock]

true

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Largest Acro is been debated if its even Acro anymore

[fluid inlet]

Size difference between acrocanthosaurus and Gorgosaurus

[steady rock]

Acro is so small wow

[fluid inlet]

No it isn’t

[steady rock]

It's smaller then the dasp

[fluid inlet]

“Small”

[fossil ingot]

Tbf thats the Largest Specimen

[steady rock]

That's cgi

[fossil ingot]

Which might not even be Acro Anymore due to some issues with it.
But even Acro's Holotype is Larger than the Largest Dasp that is Pete III by a little bit.
Not by Much tho

[fluid inlet]

You got a source on that? Sounds like smoking mirrors

[fossil ingot]

Let me ask KM for the Explanation rq

Tho if we use the more recent Fran Estimate, Random downsized it to 11.2m before Fran debate of been Acro arrived.
Making Fran possible 5-5.4t range rather than 5.7-5.8t

Whereas the referral to Acrocanthosaurus atokensis was based on apomorphic characters for the partial to fragmentary specimens described by Harris [2], D’Emic et al. [115] and Carrano [116], no formal reason for the referral of the most complete specimen (NCSM 14345) has been published so far [43, 73], other than that it is of similar size and comes from the same formation as the holotype. We noted several differences between the type material (OMNH 10146) and specimen NCSM 14345, which might make a re-evaluation of this referral necessary.
These differences include: continuous antorbital fossa on the lacrimal (type) versus a separation of the dorsal and ventral portions of the fossa by an anterior expansion of the lateral lamina (NCSM 14345); wide U-shaped ventral margin of the orbit with the antorbital fossa reaching below the orbit on the jugal (type) vs. narrow orbital margin with antorbital fossa being restricted to the antorbital part of the jugal (NCSM 14345); supraoccipital crest narrow and undivided (type) vs. wide and bifurcated dorsally (NCSM 14345); slightly acute angle (type) vs. wide angle (NCSM 14345) between posterior skull roof and occiput in the braincase; a ridge extending from the dorsal rim of the paroccipital process medially below the posterior exit of the mid-cerebral vein is present in the type but absent in NCSM 14345; trigeminal foramen is a single opening (type) vs. completely split (NCSM 14345; see [8]); pneumatic pockets next to the occipital condyle are considerably wider in the type than in NCSM 14345; ventral indentation of the articular surface of the occipital condyle absent in the type, but present in NCSM 14345; distal shaft of tibia markedly flexed medially (type) vs. straight (NCSM).

Aha Founded it, this is what KM Explained to Vividsky a few days ago, tho I gotta ask if a proper conclusion arrived cause he already called it "the acro thats not acro"

Also, Gorgo is cool

[warm saddle]

Gorgo is big

[fossil ingot]

Yeah Gorgo isn't that small

[warm saddle]

Ngl didn't expect gorgo 2 be that big

Wait albert is taller than gorgo?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, Alberto got Taller but lost length

New Alberto compared to Old Alberto in the background

[sudden wind]

I will never get people calling an animal that towers over like every terrestrial animal (minus giraffes and African elephants) small. Or even animals as large as a fricking polar bear/as heavy as a cow.

Like, ngl even modern animals are just huge when you are facing them (cows, horses, rhinos, kudus, eland) and these are quite small compared to a lot of non avian dinosaurs. I guess this is what looking at 2D representations with no depth does to people.

[fluid inlet]

How tall is the woman
?

[fossil ingot]

Should be around 1.5-1.65m?
Idk, the 1m Square is there to get masurements

[sudden wind]

1.68m

Like, man this thing is huge.

And dino game players even more loose the sense of scale because the decors are also so large (though modern foliage are quite small in modern times so there could be it but still the environments aren't paleo)

What a beautiful animal

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/gorgosaurus-skull-0ab1ad76fa2148819328771d0f206ac4

[snow python]

Not sure how correct is but carchs by size:
Giga: 13,5m 11,1t
Meraxes: 12,5-12,8m 8,7t
Carch: 12,4m 8,2t
Mapu: 12,3-12,7m 7,9t
Sauroniops: 12m 7,6t
Tyrannotitan: 11,7-12m 6,8-7,3t
Taurovenator: 11,8m 6,1t
Acro 11,7m 5,5t
Tameryraptor: 10,2m 4,5t
Kelmayisaurus: 9,2m 2,7t
Veterupristisaurus: 9,2m 2,5t
Eocarcharia: 9m 2,5t
Siamraptor: 9m 2,5t
Neovenator: 8m 1,5t
Lusovenator: 7m 1t
Concavenator: 5,8m 600kg
Lajasvenator: 4,5m 400kg
Correct me where i got them wrong plz

[sudden wind]

I've recently been to The Great Gallery of Evolution, MNHN and Deyrolle at Paris and zang I always forget just how huge even some animals can really be.

When you observe them in their natural habitat you do not really realize it because they are far away, but up close some of these are colossus (don't even need to be over a ton, a 200kg pig, felid or goat is already humongous).

[fossil ingot]

Acro should be smaller
Eocarcharia too
Big Meraxes isn't described yet so with no paper is hard to get an estimate
TTT is 11.6m but 6.7t is fine
And Dentary Giga is just Dentary...
Mapu is 12.7m, a 12.3m Maou might as well be like 7.3t

[stable sun]

12.7 m Mapu is before Taurovenator and uses an old Giganotosaurus skeletal

[fossil ingot]

Random hasn't done a new Mapu either way(yet)
And will maybe get lighter but who knows

[warm saddle]

Anyone got a up to date yangchuanosaurus skeletal? And yuty?

[sudden wind]

Dan has done a Yang and Yuty is a pit hell because the description is way too short and the material isn't much figured.

[outer tusk]

here's a yuytrannus

[hybrid spindle]

Alberto is bigger?

[warm saddle]

Prob not gorgos kinda fat compared to alberto

[sudden wind]

Albertosaurus is a bit taller but other than that they are similar in size.

[fossil ingot]

Smaller
Bro became around 2.6t or lower after that change

Atleast from last I recall Random said let me see if I can find the comment

[outer tusk]

Gorgosaurus being 2.8t
Albertosaurus being 2.2t

Based on Toxic Midget's size chart

[fossil ingot]

Nvm
Bro is smaller

[fossil ingot]

I think Gorgo has Potential to be Larger with some Material of AMNH 5434 Femur supposely scaling to 1.09m tho idk how that Reliable that is and a Supposely larger Femur in ofc Private Collections smh(Private Collections are been my doom)

[grave badger]

Hello! (first time using this chat)
Does anyone know if there's a dinosaur with it's fossil complete?

[wraith kindle]

Yeah, the foliage and rocks here are so out of whack scale wise.

[wraith kindle]

There’s a bunch of them, yeah. That one with the protoceratops and velociraptor locked in combat is complete I think. Just needs the right conditions.

[sudden wind]

There are a good deal of complete dinosaur fossils.

[grave badger]

Ty

[steady rock]

did i scale it wrong is one of the sizes just outdated?

[opaque kayak]

is the t pro?

[steady rock]

who?

[warped peak]

Leeds got shortened but is similarly heavy

[steady rock]

i redid it and idk, it looks off

[forest minnow]

What mosasaurid is that

[forest minnow]

Should use this one better

[steady rock]

oh i scaled it wrong, i thought the absent part was something my background easer erased on accident

okay😢

is this good

[forest minnow]

Yeah that’s recent Tylo

[snow python]

How big the biggest dasp?

[steady rock]

4 tons i think

[snow python]

And length?

[fossil ingot]

What Dasp?
Torosus, or?

Largest Dasp is Pete III at 10.10m and 4.16 tons, Pete III iirc was SP but its Likely Torosus if not Already Torosus

Dasp Wilsoni with RTMP 2001.36.1 I think gets to like 9.78m and 3.85 tons(I think)
Torosus Holotype is 9.6m and 3.57 tonnes
Horneri with MOR 1130 is 9.42 and 3.37 iirc

I think

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro so small

Also, iirc Random's got like 13.8-13.9m for Largest Tylo

[steady rock]

i got it from here https://x.com/FabioAleRomero/status/1504835905860874247

Fabio Alejandro (@FabioAleRomero) on X

So of one of my unexpected things that I just did for pure will, here is a more or less decent skeletal recon of the great Tylosaurus proriger, one of the biggest mosasaurs known, reconstructed from one of the best specimens of this species.

X · Mar 18, 2022, 3:03 PM

[fossil ingot]

He did this too
12.6m does seem low tho

[fossil ingot]

Ahh so he grabbed a Specimen from a Species that later got lumped to Proriger

[fossil ingot]

Funny Fish

[fluid inlet]

Imagine if blue whale went extinct they’d be nerfing it size estimations inside this chat too

[stiff osprey]

only because some dumbass would see its skull and go ''woah the skull is 5 meters!! scaling off beluga it must have been 80 meters long''

[sudden wind]

Blue whale have their own head to body ratio so unfortunately any estimations from relatives would be wrong.

Tho estimations are wrong in nature as they are not measurements

but they still can fall within reasonable ranges

[fluid inlet]

https://i0.wp.com/whalescientists.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Infograph.png?resize=1024%2C575&ssl=1

Sorry fellas sperm whales only got to 3.5 M anything is false, anything else is exceeding expectations

[steady rock]

y'all im blind i thought this was art 😒

[forest minnow]

question was basilosaurus flexible like bro was long could it bend itself to defend like its mid section

[opaque kayak]

Jebus

TBF I feel like Tylo was bigger then that

[steady rock]

it was

[fluid inlet]

Don’t say that too loud

[warped peak]

Why is it that all depictions of Tetrapodomorph fish have the head without scales?

[wary junco]

We've got a lot of easy-to-follow specimens that are good templates to use as integumentary references for many taxa in the group, basically, that show the protective ctenoid elasmoid scales running along the body don't tend to extend onto the head

when big scales do extend onto the head in sarcopterygians, like in a lot of lungfish species, we tend to see it preserved (like in this Dipterus specimen)

why some artists smooth the whole head into one big 'block' remains a bit of a mystery to me, but I usually see it when an artist mostly works with tetrapods and isn't familiar with fish anatomy at all

[steady rock]

what would the like, advantage be for the protective scales not to extend onto the head? to make it more streamlined?

[sudden wind]

Seeing theropod artists drawing fish always hurt me 😔

[warped peak]

Big thanks!

While we're on the topic, Paleodude mentioned that Rhizodonts have some decent body remains, but I've not been able to find anything for the group outside of Skull and Mandible material really

Anything you might know of?

Working on a Rhizodus with stylized fins, and curious about the more intricate details of the body, so I can keep the stylization more accurate to the overall anatomy of the family

[steady rock]

wouldnt the betta fish like fins be disadvantageous for its niche?

[tacit pine]

Yeah