paleontology

[hallow spear]

I’ve seen a fluffy ankylosaur it’s awful

[wary heath]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-gift-gif-13384546

[fossil ingot]

That exists???!!

[open compass]

It's not

[umbral kite]

no horn trike

For something to be classified as a trike it would have to be like a triceratops or a diabloceratops right

what is this from

[open compass]

Prehistoric Kindom (game)

[green helm]

is this accurate

[indigo cradle]

This is sick tbh, as unlikely as it is

[thorn grove]

20 tons for Paraceratherium is certainly a high estimate, not sure if it's at least plausible for large individuals. The 22 tons for Paleoloxodon isn't really taken seriously anymore but since they acknowledge it's from unreliable material I'm not too upset. Shant's estimate is ok for bigger individuals and afaik we don't actually have a skeletally mature one yet so if anything they probably got even larger.

[light osprey]

Probably because it looks cool and nothing more

[thorn grove]

Paleo nerds can't accept the rule of cool, what's new

[tough parcel]

Because people go "feathers = accurate" because the wider audience isn't in the loop enough to know/care that there's a bit more intricacies at play

[tulip gyro]

Rex looks cool with feathers

[warped peak]

I've been running numbers on something in the background with some very interesting stuff

The big predator from Sweden has some impressive numbers

[green helm]

what predator

[light osprey]

The mighty stoat of course

[green helm]

what a fierce predator

[warped peak]

Based off of information from an event held today/yesterday in Sweden addressing remains of a giant Pseudosuchian from Sweden

The smaller mandible is from a related species, possibly in the same genus based off the remains found. Sitting around Smok sized, it's an impressive animal. Included from this animal is a maxilla, skull roof, jugal, post cranial elements including limb fragments and vertebrae. Ossification indicates adult - superadult

However, there's a second individual in the area. Included in that is a 20 centimeter long tooth (about 45% root). Alongside this, there is a rib, and caudal vertebrae proportedly exceeding 30 centimeters in width. Apparently reaching around 6 tons

Furthermore, massive footprints are ALSO found in the area reaching as much as 70 centimeters long

I scaled Smok and Prestosuchus to match the rough size of the elements known and described, including the large teeth and mandible fragment. This resulted in a 10.1m long animal, weighing 5500kg, which... fits cleanly into their estimates

As do the caudal vertebrae.

AFAIK, there's a history of similarly sized footprints across Europe with no known source

Also Lisowicia for reference

[halcyon cobalt]

I won’t believe this until thevividen makes a video about it

[minor thistle]

BEAUTIFUL

[white matrix]

if youre going by biggest size 19.2 for shant

[hybrid saddle]

Guh?

[frank plaza]

Anyone got any info on the Mahjungasuchus?

[outer tusk]

fr idk why Dizzyrose didn't mention that she also so biased sometimes

[fossil ingot]

The Cute guy

[hallow spear]

i dont count DA

[tough parcel]

Stego is biased, don't listen

[outer tusk]

FR STEGOSAURIA IS MID!

[outer tusk]

where did you get this from?

[tough parcel]

The nefarious JFD Artstation

[scenic flame]

@stiff osprey if you don't mind me asking would other megaraptorans such as Maip differ is proportions from your Aero skeletal? or this for lack of a better term simply the new general megaraptoran skeletal

GAT's Maip multi view reference ^

[sterile trail]

When I saw that I immediately thought of Manny 💀

[outer tusk]

OH THE POT MOD

[tough parcel]

Yup

[snow python]

How big was Megaraptor, 8m?

[pliant cedar]

could aerosteon actually jump

[halcyon cobalt]

if only DA wasn’t so grindy

fluffy anky was my first and only golden dinosaur

[hallow spear]

it doesnt differ much aside from having a proportionalyl larger coracoid, maip isnt exactly complete lol

you can essentially just take randoms Aero and upsize it to Maip tbh

[calm agate]

From what I recall the upsize now is much smaller than it used to be, with the new skeletal I believe Henry has stated it kicks Maip out of the 3 tonne club

[umbral kite]

to be trike it has to be thing like triceratops or Diabloceratops right

[hallow spear]

i dont understand

[hallow spear]

i must harass him to find out what it is

[halcyon cobalt]

ceratopsians you mean?

[umbral kite]

are trike a clade of ceratopsian

[calm agate]

Do not worry, I believe all will be revealed after he gets online

[hallow spear]

Triceratopsini?

[hallow spear]

amazing

[halcyon cobalt]

“trike” is just short for triceratops

[umbral kite]

oh then wat the clades for a ceratopsian

[halcyon cobalt]

I believe the main ones are chasmosaurinae and centrosaurinae

[woeful falcon]

Ceratopsidae
Leptoceratopsidae
The subfamilies of those two families

Some others I'm probably not remembering

[hallow spear]

Chasmosaurinae, Centrosaurinae, Triceratopsin, Pentaceratopsin(?)
EDIT; meant to reply to blub

[tough parcel]

Nanotyrannosaurini!

[umbral kite]

guys could it have been possible that theropod chicks may have had feathers but grow out of them

[hallow spear]

i personally doubt it, but i guess its possible

[silver canopy]

That's pretty likely in large taxa that lived in warmer climates, they would be unnecessary on adults

[hallow spear]

its not pretty likely, because there its not proveable each way unless there are impressions

[silver canopy]

Young animals may need more thermoregulation than adults, megatheropods that lived in warm and subtropical climates would have no need for them as adults

[halcyon cobalt]

wouldn’t the babies be heated by the warmer climate?

[silver canopy]

Feathers can help keep them cool too, feathers can trap cold air against the body.

Plus dessert nights are COOOOOLD

[woeful falcon]

Feathered dino doesn't always mean densely covered and throughout the body

[silver canopy]

That's also true

[woeful falcon]

And when ur small, feather look plentiful. When ur all growed up and big, feather not so visible

[silver canopy]

Megatheropods probably couldn't completely ditch their feathers, so they probably had some peach fuzz like elephants fur

[umbral kite]

Hadrosaurs see color then would it be limited and if it was could predator have adapted to have that color to hunt better

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure most dinosaurs had better colour vision than modern mammals

[silver canopy]

All dinosaurs likely had good color vision, that's a trait common among reptiles.

Though display could have been more important than avoiding predation in same cases

Colors could also change seasonally

[halcyon cobalt]

living underground and in the leaf litter kinda f’ed up mammal colour vision

[silver canopy]

And wanting good night vision

[umbral kite]

so how could a megatheropod seek up on a herbivore of that was the case would herbivore eye pick up any fast movement or did predator just camouflage better

[halcyon cobalt]

predators still could’ve had colours that match the surroundings

[tulip gyro]

Just imagine it like today's ambush hunters

[halcyon cobalt]

mammals are also commonly brown and more earthy coloured because they can’t see much colour, but this wouldn’t apply to dinosaurs

which is why I love depictions of green dinosaurs

[umbral kite]

also wat did Late Cretaceous north america look like if we had a idea of that then we could maybe figure out what color most dinosaurs looked like

[fossil ingot]

Iirc its the skeletal the new Aero mod is based on it was stated Aero was used a newer skeletal that is revealed until recently, not surprise since Iirc Random is connected to JFD iirc.
Idk where it was originally posted(I would guess JFD Server) but sm shared it in another server so now I have it

[fossil ingot]

Bro is now Allo size
Average Allo W

[soft spear]

We Need purussaurus in Game

[hallow spear]

Allo is far larger than that
AMNH 5767, "Big Joe", NMMNH PV-26028, CPS 99 all are around 4t+ give or take

[wary junco]

Yeah Random is one of the five members of JFD

[stiff osprey]

You will see Maip soon don't worry

[tough parcel]

Can we get Australovenator?

[scenic flame]

[fossil ingot]

[stiff osprey]

No 🙂

[dawn plaza]

World's first sabertooth kitten found

[tough parcel]

Why, this is Australist

[stiff osprey]

Basal megaraptorans are bad and ugly, I know because I made one

[dawn plaza]

scientist just recently found a kitten of homotherium

[tough parcel]

How much for Australovenator

[stiff osprey]

However much it costs to get someone else to write my thesis, I'll have to check

[outer tusk]

Was your aerotseon in the works for a while or was it more recently like troday?

[stiff osprey]

I have no idea how long i've been waiting to post that, but likely several months

[outer tusk]

damn... but I could still use it other something like idk Icin's composite megaraptor skeletal?

[hallow spear]

(its been quite a while)

[frigid delta]

we're into megaraptoran now?
yippie

[tough parcel]

English or Brazilian, this will dictate your prices

[velvet burrow]

Wish it lasts
Tomorrow gonna be more Edmontosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus surely

[velvet burrow]

What about Tratayenia and/or Murusraptor

[stiff osprey]

Maip and nothing else

[velvet burrow]

Btw question. Do you know if a Barrosasuchus skeletal exists? Legends say it's one of the most complete peirosaurids but i don't find any skeletal or image of it's complete remains

[stiff osprey]

Such is the case for most notosuchians

[velvet burrow]

[rancid crescent]

when will your carch skejl drop

[stiff osprey]

never

[outer tusk]

Don't ever try to reconstruct giganotosaurines, folks. I tried it once and barely escaped with my life. ( peak wuote )

[rancid crescent]

carch aint a gigantosaurine

[outer tusk]

this has nothing to do with carcharodontosaurus though?

[velvet burrow]

I just saw the things on Aerosteon ribs. Are those for breathing? Which species are they known from?

[outer tusk]

theropods

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[cloud breach]

Uncinate process

[fossil ingot]

Rip Big Maip

[hallow spear]

the neotype is close enough & can be resolved into Giganotosaurine

[outer tusk]

really?

[woeful falcon]

Tmk carch is the only one in Carcharodontosaurinae that's not a Giganotosaurin ye?

[fossil ingot]

Bro got nuked

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https://x.com/randomdinos01/status/1857597818229137731?s=46

Henry (@Randomdinos01) on X

The largest named megaraptorid (though not by much), Maip shows a more typical state of preservation for the group. Its presence confirms that megaraptorans held the apex predator niches in part of South America right up until the end of the Cretaceous.

Twitter · Nov 16, 2024, 1:33 AM

[fluid inlet]

You call that nuked? It’s huge

[fossil ingot]

Its smaller than before
And Less Bulky too

[fluid inlet]

It’s still big lol

[fossil ingot]

8.5m compared to its Old 10m
And around 2300-2500kgs compared to its 3000kgs+

[fossil ingot]

Well yeah, its Big but compared to Old Maip its a noticiably difference

[hallow spear]

i mean

[fossil ingot]

[outer tusk]

ngl I thought maip was always 8.5

[fluid inlet]

More specimens to be found, it could get bigger but I still think it’s a very respectable size.

However Torvosaurus would still have its way with this guy. 😎 as he would with that saurophaganax.

[light osprey]

Perhaps we should incept a hypothetical maximum of 10 metres. After all the Maip is clearly a juvenile, indicated by its diminutive size

[frigid delta]

would Maip love to hear caramelldansen?

[halcyon cobalt]

why must the greatest of questions have unknowable answers?

[umbral kite]

guys if dinosaur are closer related to bird would we call a groupf of hadrosaur or trike a flock of trike or a flock of hadrosaur

[velvet burrow]

I'd be the first one to support such terminology

[tough parcel]

Considering titles aren't phylogeny-based, you could call them a "Demon horde of hadrosaurs"

[umbral kite]

if u spoke them then this would be correct like imagen just being in a way of large 4 -8 ton hadrosaur in the hundreds running at u

also then a group of raptor or something wlse would be called a soar or a tower

[velvet burrow]

If such groups even existed i would genuinely call them a flock

[wary heath]

Would pterosaurs have had a throat pouch

[sharp dragon]

A "ClusterF*** of Triceratops"

[halcyon cobalt]

Maybe. No evidence though tmk

[umbral kite]

guys ok so what if trexs or pther megatheropod didnt just have one mate and it was a reverse harem

[woeful falcon]

what about it

[frigid delta]

redboss i hate to admit this but wht do u actually wanted to ask???

[tulip gyro]

You mean if they had multiple mates ?

[wary heath]

https://tenor.com/view/who-ping-seal-ping-gif-24789222

[umbral kite]

yes but waht if it was reversed the entire time not one male rex with multiple female trexs but one female trex with multiple male trexs dinosaur shower thought

[halcyon cobalt]

if there was any polyamorous behaviour it would probably be the over way around since it takes a lot more resources to make eggs

[snow python]

How is Bahariasaurus classified now? Megaraptoran or noasaurid?

[cloud dagger]

Female jacanas have a harem of males so i guess it’s not completely out of consideration

[zinc solstice]

Did Yinlong Actually Have a Face as Wide as Yinlongs Face in this image?

[thorny nest]

yes please could i have it aswell

[umbral kite]

guess this dinosaur

[proud prawn]

Don't tempt me, Frodo

[outer tusk]

Torvosaurus

[scenic flame]

in addition to it being footprint scaling this doesn't look like it matches presto's foot anatomy at all

or rausuchian foot anatomy in general

[proud prawn]

I'm stoked for the paper to come out in however many years it takes

I'd love for it to turn out to be a giant rauisuchian but a big Triassic theropod would be neat as well

[scenic flame]

or a sauropodimorph, or another poposaurid

[proud prawn]

That would also be sick

More Triassic stuff in general, honestly

[scenic flame]

100%

[umbral kite]

Ur right

[umbral kite]

howd you knew

[outer tusk]

It's not hard to guess it if you know what specimen that it belongs to 😭

[rancid crescent]

ah yes edmarka and elvis, based torvo specimen names

[drifting condor]

Would tenontosaurus be easy prey?

[green helm]

for?

[drifting condor]

Any carnivore I'm it's area

[green helm]

prob not so easy for the small ones

[drifting condor]

And large ones?

[green helm]

easy if they ambush it

[drifting condor]

Knew it

It is weak

[outer tusk]

how is it weak?

[drifting condor]

It probably couldn't defend itself well

[outer tusk]

💀 tenontosaurus was about 600-1,200kg with it's main predator being the likes or deinonychus a 73kg predator and acrocanthosaurus between 5.7-6 metric tonnes

[drifting condor]

It could easily kill deinonychus but definitely not acrocanthosaurus

[green helm]

could kick using its mouth to grip denon

[drifting condor]

"It could easily kill deinonychus"

[green helm]

just saying since you said ''it probably couldnt defend itself well''

[drifting condor]

Ok let me put some context on that statement it could probably only kill dinosaurs smaller then itself anything bigger would easily kill with out difficulty

[outer tusk]

well no sht

[green helm]

would be pretty difficult for ceratosaurus

[drifting condor]

Probably not

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049886724236529677/1275303680622723102/saurus.png?ex=673a135b&is=6738c1db&hm=c6f60b2605f22af9f3a508b6230c6aab5b0a7a671353707f016bc22ee5a158c9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=351

[drifting condor]

Ceratosaurus wouldn't have much difficulty dealing with tenontosaurus

[outer tusk]

you showing Acrocanthosaurus means nothing because tenontosaurus is smaller than acrocanthosaurus and acrocanthosaurus is bigger than tenontosaurus

[drifting condor]

Yeah I know

[outer tusk]

so why mention it 😭

[drifting condor]

Just to show tenontosaurus would stand no chance against it's predators

[outer tusk]

💀

[hollow jewel]

Alright buddy how large is Tenontosaurus and how large is Acrocanthosaurus?

[distant mauve]

I mean it's kinda obvious a near mega theropod sized animal would destroy a animal that is about as tall as a person..

[drifting condor]

That's true

[hollow jewel]

It doesn’t make sense to use a Megatheropod to say Tenontosaurus doesn’t stand a chance against predators imo

[drifting condor]

Maybe I need to compare it to something closer to it's size

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069288977292599316/1074908427228282970/tenonto_and_deinon.png?ex=673a183b&is=6738c6bb&hm=168f2f63f6a2a4391989abfcf6ee1ac61d3ba2122ce78f0eae9c1b2a07cefc19&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[drifting condor]

Wait what do I mean of course I need to compare it to something smaller

[drifting condor]

Your right

[light osprey]

Perhaps the better question is why would Acrocanthosaurus hunt an animal this small…

[drifting condor]

Well it would be easy prey

[green helm]

i guess it would if it was starving

[drifting condor]

But acrocanthosaurus wouldn't hunt it would probably be to fast so I'm in the wrong here

[green helm]

if it ambushes then maybe

[drifting condor]

It would probably live in herd

[pliant cedar]

yall are forgetting that acrocanthosaurus was an apex predator and therefore likely didnt have a high population, most tenos wouldnt have to worry about it

[drifting condor]

Well then what would teno worry about besides deinonychus

[outer tusk]

nothing

[pliant cedar]

as far as im concerned nothing, but there are probably other predators that we havent discovered, smaller theropods, maybe large crocodilomorphs we havent found yet

but if deinon was the only large predator other than acro then it was probably very common

[pliant cedar]

that small tyrannosaur could probably threaten a teno, if it exists

[drifting condor]

But it still seems to me that tenontosaurus would still be easy prey for anything fast

[velvet burrow]

There are tyrannosaurid remains iirc, probably an ambush from an adult Acrocanthosaurus, a younger Acrocanthosaurus, as juveniles they would have to worry about Deinonychus

[drifting condor]

Is this supposed to change my previous claim

[velvet burrow]

Imo the concept of "weak" here is flawed. Tenontosaurus, like every animal ever, was well adapted for it's environment. The fact that there are a f*ck ton of specimens assigned to Tenontosaurus (200 iirc) means that bro was doing something right that outweighted predation pressure

[drifting condor]

True but what if was in fight what would it do

[hollow jewel]

Use it’s tail

[distant mauve]

Again just saying something is weak due to being small and fast compared to its predators doesn't say anything logical

[hollow jewel]

Fast maturity and very fast reproduction I’m guessing

[velvet burrow]

Could be
Or just being fast enough
Or just living in herds
Or all of the above

[hollow jewel]

All the above makes sense to me

[distant mauve]

This is like saying a smilodon is weak due to it being bodied by a mastodon or mammoth due to size..

Or saying saying mammel is weak compared to dinosaurs die to not winning in a fight different animals are adapted to different conditions and enviroments.

Also acros probably just didn't hunt teno often. wouldn't be worth the kill compared to larger animals

Could see a pair hunting the smaller of the two sauropods fairly easily as well as acros hunting small sauroposeidon

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the Tenontosaurus, with its large herd size, hunted the Acrocanthosaurus...? After all, herbivores aren't strict plant-eaters...........

[hollow jewel]

I agree

Tenontosaurus was likely preferred prey for young Acrocanthosaurus, adults would’ve gone after Sauropods. Isotopic analysis does suggest Tenontosaurus was a major prey item for Deinonychus

[outer tusk]

best option

[stiff osprey]

Why did everyone take sharl seriously when he asked why would acrocanthosaurus hunt an animal with half a ton of meat

[outer tusk]

because am not very smart

[wary heath]

What are your guy's favorite pterosaurs?

[rancid crescent]

on the topic of cloverly dinos
Is there any evidence supporting acro hunted sauropoesidon?

[wary heath]

I don't think anything hunted them.

[fossil ingot]

Welp theres that

Was Mapu that hard?
Rip

[outer tusk]

yes the struggle of doing a giganotosaurine skeletal is living torture!!!

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[wary heath]

Why?

[umbral kite]

guys was there ever a saurpod or hadrosur that was a carnivore

[outer tusk]

no

[wary heath]

Maybe not obligate carnivores but they could've eaten small animals if they were nutrient defficient like how cows will sometimes eat snakes.

Or hippos eating carcasses that were already dead.

[indigo cradle]

Ik chickens are omnivores but it's still hilarious when my chickens find a snake
Slurp em like noodles

[warped peak]

Early prosauropods WERE omnivorous

[fluid inlet]

It’s an omnivore bro.

[indigo cradle]

Yea I said that, but chickens getting excited to eat a snake is hilarious

[umbral kite]

what dinosaur is this

[tulip gyro]

Meme spino

[umbral kite]

a feathered saurpod 🥲

This image hurt me

[distant kraken]

I can think of worse. At least the idea of a feathered sauropod works, under the fantasy concept of a world where large sauropods managed to survive in areas where actual winter was a thing. Imagine a feathered ankylosaur.

[halcyon cobalt]

Very large sauropod probably wouldn’t need feathers anyways ( gigantothermy ). feathered ankylosaurs ironically make a lot more sense since they are typically not that large

[distant kraken]

I suppose. Still, my latest Dino I've been looking into is the ever confusing Baryonyx. This thing just confuses me, mainly because there is even less of a geologically-rooted explanation for why this thing was found where it was.

[tough parcel]

Wjat

[distant kraken]

To put it very simply, based on what I know of the layout of the various landmasses in the Cretaceous, there is no way in hell that Baryonyx, a Spinosaur, could have gotten to where it was found. Spinosaurids are, much like Carcharodontosaurid and Abelisaurids, a Gondwanan type of dinosaur, and most of the theoretical maps I can find of the time period indicate that Gondwana and the European portion of Laurentia were separated by a deepwater ocean. Not a large one, admittedly, but large enough to make the idea of a terrestrial dino making it across without drowning or being eaten rather questionable at best.

[outer tusk]

Baryonyx walkeri is a piscivorous spinosaurid theropod dinosaur from Early Cretaceous England.

[outer tusk]

buddy what are you yapping about

[tough parcel]

The closest would be Sucho in Africa so if you have a map showing Europe and Africa, that'd be best

[outer tusk]

hi gulaicho

[distant kraken]

Not purely piscivorus. There was a Baryonxy fossil found with bones from a juvenile Iguanodont in it's stomach.

[outer tusk]

the post I made isn't suppose to be taken seriously

[distant kraken]

Actually, the nearest Spinosaurs to England are a group of five smaller species found on the Iberian Peninsula(Spain and Portugal), such as Riojavenatrix.

[outer tusk]

Also would something like this be kind of plausible for a marine reptile

[stiff osprey]

In the early Cretaceous (145 ma), Europe and Africa were close enough together that they shared very similar terrestrial faunas. The earliest spinosaurid fossils are from ~140 ma, so being semiaquatic it makes sense that they would be able to cross it for a while longer than fully terrestrial dinosaurs

[distant kraken]

I don't know. Most of the maps I can find indicate that by the time Europe and Africa started drifting close enough together to make the idea of dinos swimming across feasible, Baryonyx and other early Spinosaurs were already extinct.

[sudden wind]

Don't we also have Asian Spinosaurids (Ichthyovenator, Siamosaurus etc) ? Another point : aren't the oldest Spinosaurid taxa from Europe ?

[distant kraken]

A couple, but the area with the most Spinosaurids is actually the Iberian Peninsula, with five recognized species(Riojavenatrix, Iberospinus, Protathlitus, Vallibonavenatrix, and Camarillasaurus).

Also, Siamosaurus might end up getting the Troodon treatment, since the only fossils attributed to it are some teeth.

[stiff osprey]

Brachiosauridae, Diplodocidae, Megalosauridae and Stegosauridae are all found in both Europe and Africa, and they were all less aquatic than spinosaurids

[umbral kite]

it looks like baby spinosaurs wrong image

[tough parcel]

Evidence they were more aquatic than we believe...?

[halcyon cobalt]

reverse neoteny perchance

[rancid crescent]

where does the claim carch is proportionally stronger then its relatives come from

[tough parcel]

Thin air (it doesn't exist outside of myth)

[distant kraken]

Not sure where any of that picture came from seeing as the only fossils found of Siamosaurus Suteethorni are a few teeth.

[umbral kite]

if we only have teeth how do we not knew it was of a dinosaur we already had

[distant kraken]

We don't. It's the same reason why Troodon is currently a resident of the "Nomen Dubium" category, and it's likely that Siamosaurus will join that list sooner or later.

[tulip dove]

Violence

[pliant cedar]

maybe, if it were an archosaur or sauropterygian i would say no, but squamates have a very diverse color palette, so something like this might actually be possible.

[halcyon cobalt]

why no to archosaurs?

[pliant cedar]

idk, other than the feathered ones they dont seem to have a very diverse colour pallete
mainly browns

[umbral kite]

guys do u thing megathowrpod fought for mates

[rancid crescent]

most likely

[halcyon cobalt]

semi-aquatic ambush predators aren’t the best frame of reference tbf

[pliant cedar]

yeah, but even non avian dinosaurs we have evidence of coloring in, that arent extensively feathered tended to be brown

[umbral kite]

ok i have a idea to find out what deinosuchus and sarcosuchus looked like use thr logic of current day croc and gators and how they camouflaged in to the water to look like tree logs

[hallow spear]

evidence that they are more aquatic than we think..

[outer tusk]

semi aqautic brachiosaurus

[umbral kite]

i feel like it would be like a moose and only really go under water for food and could probably move like hippo or just stand in the water

[outer tusk]

yeah totall

[halcyon cobalt]

perhaps stegosaurids swam using those plates in an undulating motion, reminiscent of certain worms and sea slugs

[distant mauve]

Sauroposeidon as a semi aquatic lighting channeler is cooler (conceptually)

[umbral kite]

are u being sarcastic or being honest

also guys could u give me a lsit of cool non dinosaur that u think are cool

[halcyon cobalt]

rhomaeleosaurus

[dire zealot]

https://x.com/pegasaurus_42/status/1857877504620449982?s=46&t=9Fi-DYYXsUFRZrPHX1qLKA

BIG SCORE FOR JAPAN AS FIRST OFFICIAL PTEROSAUR.

This has gotta be picked as official species in roster
🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Rodrigo V. Pêgas 🦖🏳️‍🌈 (@pegasaurus_42) on X

Please welcome the first named pterosaur species from Japan: Nipponopterus mifunensis!!

Thanks to Prof. N. Ikegami and X. Zhou @Sinozhoupterus for allowing me to take part in this study!

With the magnificent artwork of @pnsozcyy

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Twitter · Nov 16, 2024, 8:04 PM

[outer tusk]

I have zero idea a brachiosaurus would fuction like a hippo in water

[umbral kite]

It a large and heavy thing in the water that was really built for it

[sage trout]

Sauropods were quite buoyant unlike a hippo, and they would have been unstable in water
Not exactly what you'd want for anything semi aquatic

[hallow spear]

Unstable, sure. But def not for all

[umbral kite]

guys wat are some very cool crocodilians

[west coral]

too big to walk perhaps?

[fluid inlet]

What’s the biggest Argentavis specimen’

[sage trout]

Sauropods could most likely swim
They just lack adaptations for going underwater and staying in water deeper too deep to walk through for any long periods

[sage trout]

Known from one bone 💔

[sage trout]

Voay is pretty cool

[fluid inlet]

What’s the biggest Argentavis specimen ?

[umbral kite]

who smashed it head in

[sage trout]

Crocodilian skulls just kinda look a little squished, but Voay has prominent big squamosal horns compared to any living crocodilian

[umbral kite]

wat female vaoy wouldnt love deforming horn at the top of ur head i bet he pulled so many

[sage trout]

Still living cuban crocodiles can get pretty close in some individuals though

[zealous ravine]

Simosuchus my beloved, herbivorous pug croc

[outer tusk]

welcome back, kaprosuchus

Joschua Knuppe

[sage trout]

If we go beyond crocodilians, notosuchians like simosuchus are just some of the best creatures
I think Aphaurosuchus is cool just for being very very complete and having silly little long legs

[umbral kite]

he look like a puppy his peerfect

[wary heath]

Do we have fossil evidence of nanuqsaurus having fossils?

[warped peak]

Nope sorry

Nanuqsaurus as a species is only inferred to exist by the presence of modern Polar Monitors, large bipedal lizards that frequently engage in bouts with the smaller arctic foxes

[zealous ravine]

Lmao

[umbral kite]

how do u classify thing as a theropod or a sauropod

[zealous ravine]

Phylogenetics. For more derived species it’s obvious but it’s a bit harder for more primitive species. To the point where some like Eoraptor could be either a theropod or a sauropod

[umbral kite]

wat makes up the characteristics for a saurpod

[frigid delta]

if it's long necked, it's a sauropod
as simple as that

[zealous ravine]

Not really. There are some specific autapomorphies but they’re fairly technical. But in general theropods are bipeds and sauropods are quadrupeds. And even the bipedal sauropods are easy to distinguish from theropods

Wikipedia lists the following traits: The presence of large nares.
The distal part of the tibia is covered by an ascending process of the astragalus.
Their hind limbs are short when compared to their torso length.
The presence of three or more sacral vertebrae.
The teeth are thin, flat and are spatula-like, with bladed and serrated crowns.
The presence of a minimum of 10 cervical vertebrae that are typically elongated
The presence of 25 presacral vertebrae
The manus had a large digit I.

[sterile trail]

Opinions on Shantungosaurus?

[summer hearth]

it is a must

[sterile trail]

Shant my beloved

[wary heath]

It's a cool dinosaur.

[rancid crescent]

is it likely for mapusaurus to have the enlarged toeclaw like meraxes?

[peak timber]

My fav abelisaurid

[sterile trail]

My brother in Christ, it's a hadrosaurid

[sharp dragon]

Barsboldia is my favourite Azdarchid

[gentle vessel]

Dimetrodon is my favorite dinosaur

[sterile trail]

That's it, I'm getting the shotgun

[wary heath]

Inostrancevia is my favorite cat species

[rancid crescent]

<@&538079608914968587> i'd like to report someone threatening to doxx me

[tribal sandal]

Hello

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[woeful falcon]

TK is that you trying to get Sharl canned

[tribal sandal]

Could you please open a @feral crane ticket and our moderator team can further look into this

[rancid crescent]

sure thing i did but they did not respond

[tribal sandal]

Please allow some time for our moderator team to take a look

[light osprey]

Damn are they really back

[steady rock]

pronto is in his cancelled era

[light osprey]

Big paleo couldn’t handle me

[stuck chasm]

Hello everyone! Let's please make sure this channel stays on-topic and free from any drama. If you have concerns about any Discord users on our server, please direct them to either our support team or our @feral crane bot, as per Lorikeet's instructions above. Thank you

[umbral kite]

it ok i like para more

[night hill]

Out of curiosity I would like to ask a question regarding the new kentro ability, could stegosaurs possibly have regenerated their spikes??

[sterile trail]

Personally, I doubt they could even be removed unless it's a severe injury

[wary heath]

What’s up with bruhathkayosaurus. Is it no longer an actual dinosaur

[halcyon cobalt]

the giant sauropod bone is a lil iffy tmk. ‘bruhathkayosaurus’ is an abelisaur though

[magic monolith]

it's a tree

[fluid inlet]

It’s not iffy it was sauropod material mixed in with abelisaurid material but the femur of the sauropod was still massive, we just no longer have the material

[sterile trail]

It disintegrated

[pliant cedar]

cuban crocodile on steroids

[hallow spear]

Ironically this also happened with the holotype of Stegosaurus armatus, it was stegosaur material mixed in with sauropod, theropod and ornithopod material but was assigned to the holotype of Stego lol

[lunar rivet]

What if some placoderms evolved to be on land and diversify

[zinc solstice]

They did, Technically Aren't all Jawed vertebrates placoderms because the first creature with a jaw was a placoderm because we have really basal placoderms like shimenolepis that didn't have jaws, ones that did and Ones with advanced Maxilate jaws like entelognathus that had jaws like modern jawed creatures.

[tulip gyro]

he does great art but he ruins it by himself trough certain ways

[tulip gyro]

4 legged, big, herbivore, small heads, very strong necks ig. and more but idk

[hallow spear]

bro just described every ornithischian that isnt a ceratopsian

[tulip gyro]

just bc your a fat round stego!!!

[sterile trail]

Lil Walnut brain

Now why was its brain so small compared to its body?

[tulip gyro]

bc it started smoking

[outer tusk]

Because the head was crushed

[hallow spear]

what kuit said ^

https://www.witmerlab.com/stegosaurus-stenops?pgid=jtkbvcpg-3474e1e5-945a-4406-bfc9-97300ff325cf crunch

[pliant cedar]

wait, nobody thought that this wasnt squished

[outer tusk]

peopel aren't very smart let's say

[pliant cedar]

maaaan
i get so sad thinking about dinosaurs, and how we will never be able to see 99% of them in the flesh

[umbral kite]

Human lived with dinosuar becuase if bird are dinosaurs then human did live with dinosaurs

[pliant cedar]

we still do

[sterile trail]

Gets hit with a frying pan

[open compass]

Is this actually true?

[small geyser]

Can you translate?

[open compass]

#FossilFriday If you're in town, come check out my lecture at the SVP next Wednesday on how histology can change the reconstructions of soft tissues in dinosaurs.

[small geyser]

Thanks!

[open compass]

Thanks to Google translate

[outer tusk]

yes

[open compass]

So, Prehistoric Planet did it wrong?

[fossil ingot]

Is that a Rex?

[open compass]

Looks like z-rex or tarbo

[outer tusk]

yes like because php did everything wrong

[zealous ravine]

Lmfao, genuinely can’t tell if you’re trolling or not

[fossil ingot]

I mean
PhP is not the best Rex, is not bad but like
Theres better Rexes
Stull good enough tbh

[outer tusk]

a magician never reveals his secrets

[outer tusk]

also it's ugly, obese, short, and ugly

[fossil ingot]

Nu uh
Reveal it or work on a Giga skeletal

[outer tusk]

php rex is bad

[fossil ingot]

True

[thorn grove]

rude

[zealous ravine]

Fun fact, the php rex isn’t actually that overweight, it just has ridiculously short legs

[open compass]

Which t rex is the best in your opinion?

[fossil ingot]

Its has skeletal issues that made it obese
Its Gastralia iirc is to low

[zealous ravine]

Tmk it may be slightly to low but not that much, it’s just the short legs making it appear lower than it is. I will say they did the integument the best out of any doc

[fossil ingot]

2 peak dinos in the same picture

[fossil ingot]

Fat Guy

[open compass]

It has no lips

[outer tusk]

and?

[open compass]

It's ugly

[tulip gyro]

best rex reconstruction

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[zealous ravine]

Gotta agree here, while I love Vlad’s work, the exposed teeth preclude it from being the best

[iron halo]

Digital duck rex on top

[zealous ravine]

Lemme find my personal fav, may take a sec

[tulip gyro]

i will show you the best

[stiff osprey]

Vlad's rex is the best featured in a documentary, i don't think he meant best reconstruction ever

[open compass]

And it has no cheeks

[outer tusk]

wdym cheeks?

[open compass]

I'm talking about this

[stiff osprey]

PP's doesn't have cheeks either. That paper hasn't come out yet

[hallow spear]

Nope it is obese

[outer tusk]

who's he

[stiff osprey]

you

[fossil ingot]

[outer tusk]

I swear these young bloods be talking about papers that aren't even out yet ( also am not a he )

[zealous ravine]

Here we go, Bravo Models’ lip edit of the PNSO Rex

[fossil ingot]

Huh?
Really.

[tulip gyro]

BEST REX EVER

[hallow spear]

You’re not a he? Now THAT surprised me

[stiff osprey]

Oh, my bad

tbh Ultimate Survivor and Prehistoric Planet rex are in the same league for me, both have minor issues but are close enough to actual perfect rex

[outer tusk]

yeah it's true

[fossil ingot]

Me too LMAO

[zealous ravine]

And to be clear I love this model, but the lack of lips and weird shoulders put it a bit behind the others imo

[tulip gyro]

W, saurian rex more peak tho

[open compass]

Is saurian t rex the best? (Reconstruction)

[fossil ingot]

I need modern Carcha in a current Documentary

[zealous ravine]

It ain’t bad for sure, but i wouldn’t call it the best

[tulip gyro]

FEATHERED!!!!!!

[stiff osprey]

Saurian's brown rex was peak in 2017, but it's gotten old now. And way too feathered

[outer tusk]

as a human being I shall love things regardless of how many or how little flaws it has because if it's awesome it;s cool

[zealous ravine]

Fair, I love it too, just prefer PP’s as apart from the short legs it’s better in every aspect imo

[outer tusk]

I really don't find PP rex appealing it;s just so ugly

[tulip gyro]

it never gets old, its the best design

[fossil ingot]

I never liked PP Rex
To Ugly, overweight with Soft Tissue and Comically somewhat short legs

[zealous ravine]

One could say the same of the weird proportions and exposed teeth of vlad’s

[stiff osprey]

if we're talking solely aesthetics then saurian rex peaked in 2014

[zealous ravine]

Absolutely, no doubt about that

[fossil ingot]

Vlad Rex seems more appealing to me than PP tbh

[tulip gyro]

nuh uh

[zealous ravine]

I mean ya gotta love how vlad does his textures and colors

[stiff osprey]

once you've seen the brown one copied 1 trillion times by different artists you'll get tired of it (admittedly I did that too)

[tulip gyro]

give it diffrent colors and its betta

[fossil ingot]

To feathered smh

[zealous ravine]

But I can’t get over the subtle feathering and beautiful detail of the PhP Rex, and I think a big part of how much I like it is down to the incredible animation work

[outer tusk]

FR

[open compass]

Peak rexes

[outer tusk]

hey Random btw if you know anything about chingkankousaurus would Franoy's or Hartman's tarbosaurus be a good reference for it

[stiff osprey]

PP's Tarbosaurus blows their rex out of the water tbh, it looks much more menacing and more accurately proportioned

Also I have never heard of Chingkankousaurus in my life

[hallow spear]

He means Chunkingosaurus I think

[hallow spear]

Oh it’s a nomen dubium

[tulip gyro]

megatheropods with reptile lips is goated

[stiff osprey]

Bruh they don't even know what bone the fragment belongs to, why are you reconstructing this

[fossil ingot]

I like PP Tarbo alot

[outer tusk]

uh because funny and I wanted to do obscure taxa for my game

[stiff osprey]

judging by its size it is probably a juvenile so Joans's skeletal of PIN 552-2 would be better

[hallow spear]

You can do obscure without doing utter garbage

[outer tusk]

oh I know

cause right now my 'tyrannosauridae' tree is made up of raptorex,deinodon,albertosaurus,chingkankousaurus, and zhuchengtyrannus

[tulip gyro]

https://imgur.com/gallery/SN7pIYi

[fluid inlet]

Nice artwork

[light osprey]

I don’t like that it’s pink

[woeful falcon]

how haven't Duck's rexes been posted

[outer tusk]

that's not pink? or is it

[woeful falcon]

kinda a brownish pink. in other scenes they're more brown

[stiff osprey]

Looks red to me

[light osprey]

Red, pink same thing

[woeful falcon]

red, pink, tomato, slightly lighter tomahto

WAIT we can decide this now. My pfp is pink, pronto's is red

which color is the tarbo closer to

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/velociraptor-tarbosaurus-prehistoric-planet-headbutt-gif-26739515

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-rex-sauropods-gif-17322599

[warped peak]

Ew what is that

[fossil ingot]

Mapugigsaurus

[stiff osprey]

I never noticed it before but those Argentinos are like blue whale sized

If not bigger

[hallow spear]

and apparently have bulletproof skin, at the start it tries to take a bite out of the leg but just.. slides off?

[stiff osprey]

Well you see, elephants are big and have thick leathery skin, so sauropods that are even bigger must have unbreakable skin

[tough parcel]

Remember, Psittacosaurus had skin thicker than an elephant so imagine a sauropod the size of Argent!

[stiff osprey]

Real....

[white matrix]

wait huh?

[tulip gyro]

Lil reminder that lizard lipped theropods are goated

[jovial cairn]

I mean they probably did have thick skin, and bulletproof is relative to the bullet being fired so given a weak enough bullet their skin probably was bulletproof.

[stiff osprey]

I guess if it's like a rubber bullet yeah. But if it has enough stopping power to kill a person then it would most likely get through dinosaur skin too

[crystal dock]

Anything I should change for the musculature of Zhuchengtyrannus?

[stiff osprey]

The shoulder muscles attach to the bottom of the coracoid, and the ear is outside the skull

[crystal dock]

Better?

[stiff osprey]

yep

[fluid inlet]

I love this artwork

[crystal dock]

Hey Random it's kuitaran and I wondered while I do have some dubious taxa in my game concept, I forgot to ask if that would be necessarily a bad thing to do as yk there are more famous or in case more preserve genus

[warped peak]

I think it depends on how over the top it is

[stiff osprey]

Using obscure or dubious species is fine as long as they're well preserved enough to have unique features. If it's like 1 bone then there's no reason to use it

[outer tusk]

in chingkankousaurus case I could really find or think of a god substitute for a smaller tyrannosaurini that could go aside zhuchengtyrannus

[fluid inlet]

We’d never lose to Tyrannosaurus rex

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosaurini are large animals, Chingkou would be large as well if it grew to adult size

if you want a small tyrannosaur use Asiatyrannus or Nanotyrannus

[outer tusk]

no raptorex?

[stiff osprey]

Asiatyrannus is a subadult close to full size, Raptorex is a baby

[light osprey]

Evidence that Imperobator is actually based?

[crystal dock]

This good?

[stiff osprey]

G.sternbergi is a juvenile Tarbosaurus, and Jenghizkhan and Zhuchengtyrannus are the same size

Asiatyrannus -> Qianzhousaurus -> Albertosaurus -> Zhutarbkhan would be a good size progression

[crystal dock]

Wait I gonna do it on paper and I think I'll make more sense

Does it explain it better?

[stiff osprey]

hm, a good medium sized tyrannosaurine would be like, Lythronax or Teratophoneus

[hallow spear]

Arnt both of those immature lol

[stiff osprey]

Boris is mature, and so is the Lythronax type

alternatively one of the smaller daspletosaur species

But there is no medium sized albertosaurine

[hallow spear]

make alberto smaller

[crystal dock]

I have Alberto at 2.8 tonnes

[hallow spear]

its probably more

[stiff osprey]

that's like the biggest Alberto can get

[hallow spear]

actually, maybe the tail reduction reduced it further

[crystal dock]

I'll likely just keep albertosaurus as a solo evolution for Asiatyrannus

[west coral]

Just use Thanato if you want a smaller tyrannosaur

[velvet burrow]

A roster fully made of dubious taxa would be funny though

[crystal dock]

That's great idea

Is this good for spinosauridae

[woeful falcon]

What's this all for exactly

[crystal dock]

Again, this is for a game concept I am doing

[fluid inlet]

What’s that

[indigo cradle]

"again" he says as if we all just sit here and read discord

[outer tusk]

yes

[fluid inlet]

😭

Again, why has no one answered my question about what is the biggest argentavis specimen !?

[umbral kite]

guys what if diabloceratop and ablertoceratops horn where for showing of to females and became useful for combat

[stiff osprey]

The holotype is the biggest, I'm pretty sure it's the only one?

[fluid inlet]

There is only one argentavis specimen that we have material of? Wow.

[stiff osprey]

Okay turns out there are three.

but the other two are half a bone each so I don't care

[tough parcel]

If we combine the two specimens into one, we get one whole bone

Does that count?

[fluid inlet]

😭😭😭 wow, why does argentavis have to be so poorly preserved.

[stiff osprey]

Given its size and the fact it has to fly, its bones are probably made of styrofoam

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[light osprey]

He already said that’s the biggest Albertosaurus specimen

[fossil ingot]

Big ah Bird

[hallow spear]

im fully aware of that

[proper ocean]

👋🏻

[fluid inlet]

Argentavis my beloved we need a Disney movie of prehistoric fauna that ain’t ice age. Make it happen.

[proper ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-get-real-fat-guy-lol-chungus-gif-17910520

[zealous ravine]

Given that bary and sucho are fairly similar in size and Valli’s position is kinda variable I’d replace Bary with Valli and put Irritator or Ichthyovenator in spinosaurinae

[fossil ingot]

Similar in size???
Bary and Sucho?

When Sucho is like 2x its weight and decently longer and taller

[hallow spear]

id disagree, Valli seems to be more likely to be a Spinosaurin it is for sure basal tho

[crystal dock]

Bary and sucho aren't similar in size 😭

[hallow spear]

its fine tbh, you dont need to change it

[zealous ravine]

Obviously not, but they’re closer than Valli and Oxa for sure

[fossil ingot]

Nah wdym
Ofc Bary is this size

[hallow spear]

They are practically the same size diff tho (Valli n Oxa, and Bary and Sucho)

[fossil ingot]

Not like Sucho is bit over 2x Bary's weight

[fossil ingot]

Ngl that Sigil seems to heavy imo
Unless this Giy is Far

[fossil ingot]

Just for context about this skeletal

[fossil ingot]

I got the uglier and worse version smh

[tough parcel]

Speegoserus

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yeah I have this guy
My Friend calls it
Spino with Longer legs

[stiff osprey]

The real long leg Spino is the Marfim formation spinosaurid (known from half a caudal vert)

[fossil ingot]

Is that the new spinosaur or just a random spinosaurid

[stiff osprey]

it was discovered in 2023? alongside Tietasaura

[fossil ingot]

....what is that?
A herbi? Or what

[tough parcel]

A rat

[woeful falcon]

spinosaurids are cool

[fossil ingot]

So yours is better or is lancian better
My English Class are failing to understand this(I love been spanish still)

[tough parcel]

You can use both

[fossil ingot]

I can def beat it in a fight

[fossil ingot]

Fr.
The New Spinosaur who has Longer legs, apparently some serrated teeth and fancy crest
But we sadly gotta wait for its paper smh

[stiff osprey]

I mean I would say mine is better for obvious reasons but I also think Lancian's is fine

[tough parcel]

Evidence that random is corrupted by Big Paleo..............

[fossil ingot]

Idk the obvious reasons tbh
I'm kinda slow on this

[outer tusk]

hey that's me

[light osprey]

Perhaps Lancian makes the worst skeletals ever? Should we use fandeno’s ankylosaurus instead?

[fossil ingot]

Bro wants credits

@light osprey 😂

[stiff osprey]

If I thought my skel was worse i wouldn't have published it

[tough parcel]

Is this why you haven't posted any skeletals against David Peters....

[sudden wind]

not as cool as Glupshitpoosaurus

[fossil ingot]

[outer tusk]

best dinosaur

[sudden wind]

when do you start making your own skeletal Falcon

[stiff osprey]

No, that's because Peters can bench press a literal car

[fossil ingot]

@outer tusk how big is that abomination again?

[outer tusk]

Sauroniops is 9.8 tonnes

[tough parcel]

It's honestly true, I wholeheartedly understand

[outer tusk]

Falcon can I just say your Carcharodontosaurus is peak

[tough parcel]

When the art demon comes back to me

[fossil ingot]

Thats Sauroniops?
Where is my Brazilian Carchs os is Sauroniops that?

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049886724236529677/1300258678162853971/Sem_titulo.png?ex=673bdf42&is=673a8dc2&hm=7e8e4c5cf4df4adf96b09b15ff43045a863dd0255b12779b67d0d50cc404a576&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=535

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-not-tomorrow-not-today-maybe-maybe-not-today-gif-2079436630128123994

I kinda love that skull shape ngl

[fossil ingot]

How big is abomination#2

[outer tusk]

def more than 10 tonnes if I have to guessesimate

[stiff osprey]

14 m and 10.something tonnes

[woeful falcon]

you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong I can't hear you lalalallala

[outer tusk]

also would my friend edit of franoy's tarbosaurus be okay to use for this specific animal

[fossil ingot]

🔥

[stiff osprey]

Also keep in mind it is probably a sauropod

[outer tusk]

but random it has to be a large fragmentary theropod or people wouldn't like it as much!

[fossil ingot]

Sauro treatment is real
(Sauro atleast got redemmed)

[outer tusk]

am very confident there were many theropods before 1995 that was classified as sauropods

[stiff osprey]

well, the dorsal is probably carcharodontosaurid
that would still be a big animal but not like larger than cope rex

[wind prairie]

it was that big??? 💀

[crystal dock]

( Pause )

And yes

[wind prairie]

yeesh I was thinking it was a fair bit smaller than that

[stiff osprey]

That's because Falcon's scalebar woman is tiny

[woeful falcon]

gargantuan

[fossil ingot]

I have alot of versions of Random's Carcha.
With Giga's Tail
And Giga's Tail with Tauro's Neck lol

[crystal dock]

Me too

[stiff osprey]

the version with giga's tail and tauro's neck is probably better

[hallow spear]

Km said he lost that version can i kill him

[stiff osprey]

i take that back that neck is way too long

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1107087210932600984/1301305966368915486/carcha_Headswap.png?ex=673bba1f&is=673a689f&hm=93c66f22af247354a13971b66a2c505a09f3f9089b30b29cf0ac7367041e8534&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[hallow spear]

theres a diff version with a shorter neck

[outer tusk]

women tiny

[stiff osprey]

they swapped my head... that's mean 😔

but also I get it, Big's skull is awesome

[wind prairie]

that looks more like the size I'd expect

[fossil ingot]

😭

[outer tusk]

I did asked for it

[stiff osprey]

I like this one

[hallow spear]

here

[fossil ingot]

Yeah that looks alot better lol

[outer tusk]

we also have Manu's skull headswapped

[woeful falcon]

that's not nearly as aesthetic sorry manu

[fossil ingot]

From where is that head?

[stiff osprey]

I do not like that, looks like someone put Acro's head on it

[tough parcel]

Big and Random Carchs are the only ones I will accept ever

[hallow spear]

same

[fossil ingot]

What is that JWE head Carcha...

[fossil ingot]

Thats a Big Ah head

[woeful falcon]

carch is a nice looking dino

[tough parcel]

Oh blub likes Carch

Sorry guys, we gotta remove it from the Earth next gameplay patch!

[woeful falcon]

...

[fossil ingot]

The son of Giga and Acro

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049886724236529677/1284337615411085422/F-Wa2JNWMAAIOhF.png?ex=673b4cdd&is=6739fb5d&hm=02b96d1d572af1a77d4d1f912054b6a6e24561872de9956657d0d2c748cb2518&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=576 also peak

[stiff osprey]

Er actually it was removed from the Earth 95 million years ago

[tough parcel]

I still see those fossils

[outer tusk]

can we give a shoutout to my goat!

[woeful falcon]

Dinky arms

[fossil ingot]

I founded Random's best friend

[woeful falcon]

Random Dino's best friend

Henry

[fossil ingot]

This exists?

[stiff osprey]

Why do people think it was Mapu that nearly killed me I made that in like 3 hours using Dan's existing Giga skeletal

[hallow spear]

cause geniuz

[stiff osprey]

Carcharodontosaurus took me two years and I still hate it

[light osprey]

8.6 metre Tarbosaurus?

[outer tusk]

yes

[light osprey]

Oh it’s PIN 551-2

[hallow spear]

Yeah, young individual

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosaur fans: ''This specimen is 25% smaller than the largest adult, how could this be?''
Allosaurus enjoyers:

[outer tusk]

speaking of allosauurs, still franoy's allosaurus okay to use for it?

[light osprey]

Does this mean we only have 2 mature specimens

[sullen cairn]

only 107/2 is histologically confirmed to be skeletally mature but 551-1 is probably too given its like bigger

i have no idea what other tarbosaurus are between 107/2 and 551-1 in size though

[outer tusk]

Tarbosaurus is def underrated in some way or other cause it has such a interesting ecosystem it lived with espeically for a tyrannosaur althought zhuchengtyrannus is a closer second

[sullen cairn]

there's also that one paper that says a literal infant is mature but i have a sneaking suspicion that might be a typo

[fossil ingot]

[light osprey]

Perhaps it’s Asiatyrannus nemegtensis?

[velvet burrow]

What about Plateosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

Plateosaurus fans don't exist, they have ascended

[tough parcel]

(To nothing)

[outer tusk]

Xiongguanlong teh goat

[keen forum]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-accepted-greatful-thankful-accepted-pleased-gif-15622523

[hallow spear]

yoiu need to remake it to get the proper quality cause u said you LOST IT

[keen forum]

redo time?

[keen forum]

don't remind me, thats gonna be one of the 1st things i do when i get a new pc

[hallow spear]

tbf it probably wouldnt be too difficult for him to fix the neck and edit the tail a bit

just time

[keen forum]

i'll give it about a year and some change before i throw that at random again

[crystal dock]

Darn a whole year 😭

[keen forum]

maybe more

[wary heath]

Who was the biggest apex marine predator of all time?

[indigo cradle]

Mosasaurus?

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/ZWgoDQ1WA34?si=tGYc9LXnAuuMWaNe excellent break down on the new mummified homotherium

[indigo cradle]

Sperm whale?

[warm saddle]

Meg ig?

[indigo cradle]

Lol no

[fluid inlet]

Hammer head shark

[wind prairie]

I mean technically the blue whale but probably not what you mean
aside from filter feeders probably megalodon

[wary heath]

Would megalodon have outcompeted mosasaurus and shastasaurus if they all lived at the same time?

[woeful falcon]

shastasaurs would probably be food

[wary heath]

Shastasaurus is pretty big though.

[woeful falcon]

megalodon is among the largest predators known to exist. certainly the largest hyperpredatory animal. shasta on the other hand we don't even quite know what or how it ate

mosas would also certainly be food for them I reckon. can't stress enough how gigantic megalodon sharks were

[warm saddle]

The biggest i heard could reach 100 tones+

[steady rock]

is morisson the formation with most named species or is that another formation?

[steady rock]

my guess is morisson due to the 40+ sauropods

[tough parcel]

It’s incredibly easy to have a lot of named species when your bounds stretch over several states and sit in the US

[steady rock]

well, if we excluded morisson, what would it be then?

[hallow spear]

More than that

[hallow spear]

Why exclude Morrison it’s entirely valid

[steady rock]

because he made it out to be a unfair choice

[woeful falcon]

I mean, the question was what formation had the most named species. not really a matter of choice

[steady rock]

well, how about the top 3 seeing how the morrison is the obvious 1st place?

i dont know why but i keep thinking labrea is up there

how the hell is la-brea a tv show? i thought it was a formation??

the show is based off the formation....

[fluid inlet]

ichthyotitan severnensis

[sudden wind]

Otodus megalodon

[tepid chasm]

Megalodon

[quasi token]

either otodus megalodon or ichthyotitan servenensis (depends on the estimates used and if your counting the aust specimen)

[pliant cedar]

megalodon is quite inconsistent tho, only the like largest megs can contest for largest marine predator

[fossil ingot]

Tbf Gwas said "who was the biggest"
And Meg potentially is so

[outer tusk]

It's megalodon

[umbral kite]

Do u think hadrosaurs or cerotopsaian where aggressive to anything or if they where spooked they just start attacking anything

[tough parcel]

They ran, they panicked and fled at the first sign of danger

[outer tusk]

^

[warped peak]

Ceratopsians might have been more aggressive, considering how slow they were built as a whole, but there's absolutely no reason for a Hadrosaur to fight instead of run

[hallow spear]

i dont think slow = aggressive tbh

[outer tusk]

If that was the case turtle would be aggressive

[hallow spear]

I think in all circumstances, even elephants choose to run instead of fight first, so arguably i think its irrelevant and that given the chance all things will try to run first (most of the time)

[warped peak]

Are they not lol

[outer tusk]

No

[warped peak]

I blame the internet for portraying turtles and tortoises as violent animals

[hallow spear]

the aggressive and volatile giant galopagos turtle... a fearsome predatore

[outer tusk]

It uses its godly speed to take down weak, defenseless prey and decapitate them with its large head!!!

[snow python]

How big was Orkoraptor? I doubt it was 8,6m

[hallow spear]

the isolated tibia gets that size (roughly) and was reffered to orkpo

[tough parcel]

Heh Stego...clearly you have not seen the bull Triceratops...

[snow python]

I thought orko was like 7m and 1t

[tough parcel]

Wasn't this a thing cause the turtles thought it was a rival male and not a predator response 😭 😭

[true urchin]

Was there any carnivore that hunted dreadnoughtus?

[scenic flame]

yes, though giant tortoise can be defensive towards humans if they're with a female

[ancient crystal]

How did pterosaur wings fold? I don't mean like how they looked, like what's the mechanism that made it work?

I don't know if that makes sense

[tough parcel]

Their wings had lots of muscle fibers running through the membrane which allowed them to pull the membrane closer to the wing finger/arm when walking

[umbral kite]

Guy do u think megasaurpods where strike by lighting a lot because of how tall they where

[tough parcel]

Yea, I was the one doing it

[ancient crystal]

Thank you

[umbral kite]

guys how protective do u think dinosaur where like if they see u near the baby u die or they wouldnt care

[tough parcel]

If we ask Nigel Marven, he would say that since we are mammals and thus would likely smell the closest to other mammals, which at the time are incredibly small, you'd be ok

[umbral kite]

really so if u where in front of a adult mom triceratops and the baby just start screaming and it saw u near the baby would leave u alone

also do u think small pack of raptor would hunt things like a human or a mid size dinosaur

[snow python]

When Dreadnoughtus lived, carcharodontosaurids were already extinct. Likely juveniles and subadults were preyed on by abelisaurids or megaraptorans

[weak iris]

When they first see us, yes, we are easy prey without weapons, we look weak too. Oh but when they figure out our weapons, they will be scared just like the others

[tough parcel]

The various man-eaters across history raise their eyebrows

[umbral kite]

also how do we how strong a dinosaur was or how fast it was

[magic monolith]

‘Strong’ is such a wide term

[umbral kite]

there bite force or in general how strong a trex could hit something or anything like that

[sudden wind]

We talked about super predator, which blue whales aren't.

Then even if you compare average Meg with stuffs like Perucetus and Ichthyotitan it still remains as large as them.

[tough parcel]

Heh...what about the Yellowstone super predator..........

[sudden wind]

C'est moi le super prédateur ici

[tough parcel]

[weak iris]

We can use the power of estimation and compare to modern day animals!

[pliant cedar]

i wasnt talking about the blue whale, but fair enough

[true urchin]

hm, do you know what species?

[tough parcel]

Sobs...

[pliant cedar]

rex clears no dif im sorry

[snow python]

Aerosteon. Not sure if Maip lived back then

And maybe carnotaurus

[pliant cedar]

so basically, the era of giant titanosaur hunting theropods ended with the giganotosaurines

there were sauropod hunters afterwards, but none potentially hunted prey of the size calibre of carcharodontosaurids

[tough parcel]

Tyrannosaurines are still there 🥀

[pliant cedar]

i mean yeah, but the only ones that may have hunted large sauropods are rex and tarbosaurus

[tough parcel]

They still hunted large sauropods

[pliant cedar]

ig, but it probably wasnt a regular part of their diet

[woeful falcon]

also not impossible that there were other tyrannosaurins yet discovered

and by that I mean, 100% guaranteed

[tough parcel]

The mighty Russian tyrannosaurs...

[pliant cedar]

yes
the question is if those tyrannosaurs had large sauropods to hunt, considering they become rarer by the late masstrichtian

[white matrix]

Me holding out for Maastrichtian carch remains in south America 🙏

(It'll never happen)

I can still cope though

[pliant cedar]

are megaraptorans firmly in coelurosauria now, or is that still up for debate

[woeful falcon]

well, Alamosaurus was Maastrichtian, and I doubt it was alone in the world. Especially if you consider Carcharodontosaurids their main hunters

[tough parcel]

Alamosaurus probably needs to be split, from what I've heard (Wastebasket taxon)

So multiple sauropods existing wouldn't be too crazy

[pliant cedar]

more diversity since predation pressure from carchs would be reduced

and the morrison shows that a butt ton of sauropods can exist at once, so its not like alamosaurus dominated NA

[white matrix]

megaraptorans are actually highly derived coelophysids that held out all these millions of years to the very end /j

[pliant cedar]

finding late cretaceous coelophysids would actually be sick tho

[tough parcel]

Morrison sauropods did not all live at the same time either

[woeful falcon]

Actually the more I think about it, there were a fair amount of saauropods known to have lived back then

they just seem to be all titanosaurs

[pliant cedar]

surely a decent number still coexisted

[tough parcel]

Yea, but that might also be a consequence of the Morrison (again) underlying several states lol

[pliant cedar]

it seems with dinosaurs that one clade seems to dominate a niche rather than just a single genus. kinda opposed to today where members of pantera are the dominant terrestrial large game hunters (or at least should've been) across much of if not most of the world

[woeful falcon]

depends on the ecosystem and how you look at it. After all, its not one genus of baleen whales dominating the oceans

and for the dinosaurs, when one is discovered we only have one very small piece of a snapshot, as there's a whole lot we still don't know and never will know just because there is so much time to cover. hundreds of millions of years

[pliant cedar]

yeah fair enough, although the world was less uniform, which created more isolated pockets for specific dinosaurs to fill a niche

[woeful falcon]

How things are classified also could muddle things too, going off of what information can be gathered just from fossil bone. After all, there's probably loads of Tyrannosaurus species we don't know about

[pliant cedar]

man, i feel like paleontology would be the first science to use commercially viable time machines, there is so little we can get from fossils, and we will probably never get the full picture

[velvet burrow]

Unlikely imo. I can't figure how later titanosaurs such as Dreadnoughtus and Puertasaurus could've gotten so big without sufficient predation pressure

[pliant cedar]

i mean, if there was sufficient food, being big isnt exactly a disadvantage, they may have just had big ancestors and stayed big

[velvet burrow]

Megaraptorans are late surviving herrerasaurids

[pliant cedar]

imagine how sick finding a late triassic clade of theropods in the late cretaceous would be

[loud wing]

Tw bird evolution discussion (again), I can't find good books about it so you are forced to have me here

Does any chance that birds could descend from oviraptorids, therizinosaurids, orothomimids etc exists (opposed to compsognatids, troodontids and dromeosaurids that are often mentioned like "bird ancestors", for example)?

They, like... Had beaks like birds do, for example. There is no bird without a beak, and compsognathids, troodontids and dromeosaurids lack them. None of them developed a beak but more "herbivorous" side of theropods did.

I was just thinking <D

[umbral kite]

could megatheropods jump

[warped peak]

No

[pliant cedar]

considering the number of convergent features dromeosaurs troodontids have with birds, it would be very unlikely for birds to have evolved from ornithomimids or theriz

also compsognathids are basal coelurosaurs and arent that closely related to birds compared to other members of the clade

[woeful falcon]

Simple answer I would think to this is, beak don't mean bird. Birds evolved their beaks independently of other coelurosaurs. That becomes apparent when you have ones like Ichthyornis, which have both a beak and teeth

[pliant cedar]

are beaks unique to coelurosauria, or are there any more basal theropods with them

[woeful falcon]

No. After all, ceratopsians have beaks haha

Loads of lineages have evolved beaks independently, including among coelurosaurs. And you have coelurosaurs without them too, like T. rex

Feathers is typically the trait one would often associate with coelurosaurs, but that's something being tested. Though to me it's evident that they went all out with their feathers

[velvet burrow]

Aren't there pseudosuchians with beaks?

Actualy don't... turtles have beaks? (If they can be called beaks, i'm not a turtle connoiseur)

[woeful falcon]

There are mammals with beaks

[zealous ravine]

Tbf they didn’t evolve from any of those groups. Rather they evolved from the same common ancestors as those groups. But the common ancestors of birds and dromaeosaurs had already split by at least the late Jurassic

[zealous ravine]

Yeah pretty much anything can evolve a beak, especially if it already has scales

[woeful falcon]

Pterosaurs are another thing that have beaks, and not all of them

[zealous ravine]

And Compsognathids are actually further from birds than the other groups you mentioned are.

[serene moat]

Anyone know what's the current therizino size estimates? Is it still 5 ton range?

[pliant cedar]

iirc ye thats a good estimate

[serene moat]

Thought there was talk of it being like 8 tons or something 😭

[pliant cedar]

i mean, it depends how robust u make it ig, it is a very tall animal

[empty river]

Anyone know the exact measurements for carchar? So far ive found a range from 31ft all the way to 45...

So i guess what im asking is did it really get THAT large? Cause that would put it up there with spino in terms of length

[umbral kite]

how do croc jump out of water like a averge size croc weighs around 2,205 pounds

[empty river]

Their tails are extremely muscular and also form as their main for of propulsion in the water. Basically their tail is long and strong enough to let them do short bursts of speed to ambush things

[fluid inlet]

Sup

[pliant cedar]

baby carno?

[empty river]

Smol

[fluid inlet]

Yeah!

[tulip gyro]

tail muscles and hind limbs

[empty river]

^

[tulip gyro]

and probaly how they're formed.

[umbral kite]

baby pynco or carnoitosaurus

How muclar where the tail of spinos because could they have had the same thing or just something similar

[snow python]

Carch is 12,4m and 8,2t iirc

[empty river]

Ah ok ty

[pulsar galleon]

Spinosaurus’ tail is nowhere near as broad for muscle nor is spinosaurus itself even close to as streamlined as a croc is.

[pulsar galleon]

Average croc is not 2205lbs, the biggest saltwater crocodile populations average about 1100-1300 for asymptotic males.

2205lbs is an exceptionally massive individual.

[frigid delta]

Dilo, but with JP novel coloration
how accurate 1-10?
https://x.com/ren_wenyu/status/1858500646703628517?t=gXGV3wWsD3OjbhGroWxoLw&s=19

Wenyu Ren (@ren_wenyu) on X

JP Dilophosaurus

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 1:20 PM

[bitter quest]

10 in my opinion

[sharp canyon]

I want 20

[drifting knoll]

what in the AI abomination

[wind prairie]

naah bro get that outta here

[fossil ingot]

Yeah 5 tons
Like 5.3 or smth

[wary heath]

Was pontolis the biggest pinniped?

[fossil ingot]

Carcha next to Spino just for comparison

Tho you can likely use this version of Carcha which is replacing its tail with Gigas tail(which results in a bit longer carcha) and with Tauro's Neck
Either is fine

[hallow spear]

Ideally this Version is better, I think random mentioned.

[fossil ingot]

He said the version with Giga's Tail and Tauro's Neck should be a bit better iirc

Yeah

[wind prairie]

maybe? but idk southern elephant seals are big too

[fossil ingot]

Basically a bit longer Carcha due to Giga's Tail
Height should be the same tbh

Either way Carcha is massive, pretty much all you need to know

[warped peak]

Not quite. Elephant Seals reach up to 5.5 tons, where Pontolis was around 3.5

[wary heath]

But it was still a species of walrus?

[warped peak]

yes

[wary heath]

What was the reason for its extinction?

[warped peak]

Climate change probably

[stiff osprey]

5.5 ton elephant seal is crazy

[bright sluice]

Imagine all the regional or even non regional color morphs in dinosaurs, like how many hawks have light and dark morphs, or even regional variants of calls like many many birds display

[velvet burrow]

So, Hartmann's Rahonavis

A postprint paper about Imperobator suggested that Rahonavis and Overoraptor were basal unenlagiids. If true is that skull shape still correct? Idk how lower jaws work

[light osprey]

He managed to make it work so it’s fine until we find more substantial cranial material

[velvet burrow]

Basically would the skull be borzoi shaped like the rest of the members of the fam/subfam? Or does the lower jaw material suggest a skull shape like the image?

[light osprey]

We dunno

[stiff osprey]

If it's basal then it should be expected to have a more normal snout

[velvet burrow]

So, so would Overoraptor?

[light osprey]

Despite placing sister to Rahonavis no, it would actually be completely different

[empty river]

I figured as much, just saw something recently abt it being on par with spoon in size and this kinda confirms it so ty lmao

I lub shark toothed lizards

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/southape/status/1858612929932730796?s=46 why is she harassing him?

Swamp_Ape_Science (@SouthApe) on X

Oh to be an Amazon River Dolphin gently harassing a large Black Caiman in a beautiful blackwater river.

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:47 PM

Doesn’t she knows he’s king of the river ?!

[umbral kite]

i feel like the caimen is smart enough know if he chased it he would catch it and waste energy so he just doesnt care lmao

[scarlet jay]

Dasp tlc

[outer tusk]

that's a caiman

[clear breach]

how big is the cooldown

[wind prairie]

the caiman is nonchalant

[whole umbra]

How do we feel about the new dasp model, any major inaccuracies?

[alpine zodiac]

would any of you lovely folks happen to have a top down skeletal of any aristonectine plesiosaur by chance

[wind prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/582774675512229891/955961570683404308/final_623943c3a0142700a33d234d_4817.mp4?ex=673d1617&is=673bc497&hm=e4ea235f32fb0354bfa770594df4ef2c088dd73ef3818b128130cffad1c399ac& take me back

[wary heath]

Would it have been possible that some dinosaur groups might've survived the extinction but went extinct due to ecological change later on?

[woeful falcon]

Well, it depends on what you're referring to by "ecological change later on". If you mean the like, drastic climate change of an impact winter then I would consider that to be part of the extinction event. If you mean after that, idk no evidence of it besides, well, birds

Not all birds ofc, but some birds

[wary heath]

Imagine what it was like being the last dinosaur.

[open compass]

Birds are alive

[wary heath]

Kentrosaurus is my favorite bird too.

[fluid inlet]

I rather nots

[azure fable]

Wait is Dacentrurus bigger than Stegosaurus or is that a rumor

[magic monolith]

Stego is the one to ask
(Stego the user)

[fossil ingot]

Biggest Stego is still heavier than Dacen by like 1 ton

[flat pond]

Given that the black caiman is the largest member of the Alligatoridae, I don’t think that it doesn’t feel too harassed but then again they can be annoyed enough to which they wanna move away from whatever is harassing them.

[fossil ingot]

Big Black Caiman tend to be chill
I mean look at Pepe

[tawdry lintel]

Hey people I wanna know about this, the fight between the 2 is a part, I just wanna know how true is what a person said about it "A T-Rex stands 16 feet tall while a megalania was no more than about 4 feet tall at most. And it could not rear up on hind-legs. The T-Rex is free to stomp over the low-laying lizard. The second advantage the dinosaur would have is weight/mass"

Couldn't the meg stand in 2 like komodos today ?

[warped peak]

It's hard to say, with how little skeletal material there is

[stray steppe]

Yutyrannus hauli my beloved

Yutyrannus such a cutie furball

I LOVE yutyrannus hauli

[warped peak]

thank you mr bleach fan very cool

[umbral kite]

ok how do u till like the difference in dinoxaur like nanatyranus and trex like how do u know tthere not the same dino but one younger or deformed

[umbral kite]

i like t.bataar more

[nocturne cairn]

you don't tell the difference between nanotyrannus and rex, because nanotyrannus is just a younger rex

when a species is described the paper that describes it is supposed to include any diagnostic traits of the fossil that can be used to distinguish it from other fossils. They need to be able to show how it's different to be able to label a new species at all. The specimen that was supposed to be the reference (holotype) for Nanotyrannus was not found to have anything distinguishable between it and Tyrannosaurus. As of right now, Nano is not valid and the specimen is recognized as an immature Tyrannosaurus

[green helm]

how much does purussarus weigh

[tulip gyro]

Biggest alligatorid is Alligator lol

[tulip gyro]

They aren't, pepe is socialized and knows that humans give him food

[fossil ingot]

6 tons iirc

[fossil ingot]

Fair

[tulip gyro]

I have a video of a caiman eating a river dolphin, I gotta edit this in

[green helm]

dayum poor puru

[flat pond]

Black caiman have been found to reach 15-17 ft.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_caiman

[tulip gyro]

The largest alligator is literally over 600 kg

[green helm]

wasnt there a report of a alligator being 800 kilogram or smth

or did i confuse it with kg

[tulip gyro]

We don't even have a 6 meter specimen in melanosuchus

[flat pond]

You can’t be 100% sure about that and neither can I but they are still among the largest in the Neotropical realm.

[tulip gyro]

We can be 100% sure about that bc we never captured one

I'm not saying that there isn't a 6 m melano out there, I mean that we don't have a reliable one.

[umbral kite]

how do u find out what dinosaur this is from just the fossil like it looks like it a tryanntsaird of some kind

[pliant cedar]

looks like herrerasaurus from this angle
but may be a megalosaurid, cause i cant see the 4th finger from this angle

[zinc solstice]

Looks like Herrerasaurus Or Staurikosaurus

[zealous ravine]

Reverse image search could work

Found it, it’s listed on Wikimedia as Frenguellisaurus ischigualastensis, which is a junior synonym of Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis

[thorn grove]

It's Herrerasaurus and it's on the Wikipedia page for Dinosaur lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

[zealous ravine]

Yep

[sudden wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475441798601244672/924150700076838933/My-Little-Ice-Age_1.mp4?ex=673e08a8&is=673cb728&hm=992cbf925a3614560720b3e84d95cf91cfb9b59d723a8e308fdcc26eb66acfb4&

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Modern day sloths should be ashamed of themselves

As far as I’m concerned there is no bloodline shared with Megatherium and Bradypus, a disgrace of a predecessor.

[halcyon cobalt]

modern sloths should be really proud of themselves since they are still around I think

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Megatherium use make mammal made tunnels, Bradypus hang on trees as live appetizers. Sure be proud.

[halcyon cobalt]

didn’t megatherium get no-diffed by a slight change in climate

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Ong

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The ice age would of made all your favorite dinosaurs pretzels bud

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warm mid latitudes:

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any1 know what this is?

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I'd be more disgraced by the ancestors who died by pooping in their water until it caused a minor extinction event

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🌽🌽

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IMG_0790.AVIF obviously

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wont load fn

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🤓

[wary heath]

What exactly was yi qi? It looks like a bird yet has wings made from skin membrane.

[native kindle]

a scansoriopterygid

[wary heath]

Were they closer related to birds or dinosaurs?

[native kindle]

tmk they're some of the most basal a bird got while still being a "bird"? could be wrong there

[wind prairie]

birds or what other specific dinosaurs? birds are dinosaurs

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How accurate is this sleep?! 🤔🗿

[wary heath]

Everything about it is bird except their weird wings.

[wind prairie]

yi qi and all other scansoriopterygids are in pennaraptora, just outside paraves which contains the dromaeosaurs, troodontids, and birds
so something like velociraptor is more closely related to an eagle than yi qi is

[native kindle]

just outside being a bird, thanks

[wind prairie]

the term bird is kind of subjective anyways. Historically it was used only for aves (modern birds) but plenty of other extinct "birds" (ichthyornis, hesperornis, enantiornithines, etc.) aren't actually in aves

how far you want the term bird to go is completely up to you, but most people at least stop before including deinonychosaurs

[pseudo harbor]

Alio tlc (trust)

[umbral kite]

why does his face look like that

[outer tusk]

because bad model

[river plinth]

Glue sniffersarus

[velvet burrow]

What in the Spicomellus

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That's the stupid looking Moros intrepidus

[zealous ravine]

Nope, they were not birds. What exactly they were is up in the air but one theory is that they’re cousins to the oviraptorids. But they evolved flight completely independently, relying on bat-like membranes instead of feathers

@wary heath to answer your question. Long story short we don’t entirely know

[wind prairie]

couldn't scansoriopterygids only glide though

[native kindle]

that's actually way cooler thank you for the correction

[zealous ravine]

Np, and yeah I forgot about that, there’s debate as to whether they flew or just glided

[lavish frigate]

Anyone have good resources on bird evolution? More specifically, proving that birds are dinosaurs? It’d be greatly appreciated

[zealous ravine]

Honestly Wikipedia is prolly a good start there, but you can point out that for example many dinosaurs show feathers identical to bird feathers

[woeful falcon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_birds

In many ways, Archaeopteryx there speaks for itself of the reality that birds are theropod dinosaurs

[lavish frigate]

Thanks y’all 👍

[iron halo]

I remember the several hour long argument in here about what a bird actually is

[native kindle]

which one?

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IMO, anything under Paraves should be considered a bird, but anything under Avialae is more reasonable

[wind prairie]

at best pygostylia if you ask me, but at least ornithoracines

[sterile trail]

If that's the case, then any Dromeosauridae would be a bird

[warped peak]

Yea.

I'd look at a Velociraptor and call it a bird myself

[broken shale]

any living thing with wings and feathers 🤭

[sterile trail]

Aaaaand Troodontids

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I would forgive you if you did

[warped peak]

Show this to an average person and tell me they wouldn't call it a funny bird

Reminder that bird is not a hard phylogenetic term and is a loose societal construct, like Fish

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BTW, the only bird (That I know of) that still exists that has the raptor toe claw is the Seriema

Here's a reference

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It is entirely reasonable to call a small, winged, feathered flighted biped a bird, at least to me

[sterile trail]

Yeah, Archaeopteryx is a bird to me

So is Microraptor

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Microraptor being a bird would then extend Bird to Paraves no?

In all seriousness though it really is just a matter of opinion thing. I'm not arguing that Velociraptor is a non-avian dinosaur lol

[light osprey]

The mighty pterosaur

[sterile trail]

Perhaps, though in turn would make all of the Dromeosauridae birds as Microraptor is a dromeosaurid

[warped peak]

I agree

[stiff osprey]

Bird is a hard phylogenetic term, it's supposed to refer to all members of Aves. However most people apply it to all of Avialae because there are some non-ave animals that are obviously birds

[light osprey]

The Ichthyornis is clearly not a bird

[stiff osprey]

Vegavis, a non-avian, is literally just a duck

[warped peak]

This is a dumb question, but do you have an actual source on it consistenting explicitly of just Aves?

[woeful falcon]

Bird

[warped peak]

Yes. Bird.

[wind prairie]

I know it makes logical sense but it just feels wrong

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Imma say it

Pterosaurs are not birds because birds are typically characterized with a mostly feathered body with feathered wings (In my opinion) Pterosaurs have wing membranes, similar to a bat. And bats aren't birds, so in short, Pterosaurs aren't birds

[stiff osprey]

The wikipedia page for Aves automatically redirects to 'bird'

[woeful falcon]

Preach brother

[warped peak]

Wikipedia is not a source for this kind of info

[light osprey]

I think Vegavis is more consistently placing within Neornithes nowadays which would make it a true bird.

[wind prairie]

historically as aves were the only birds known that was what the term originally meant. But I think nowadays it's ok to stretch it a little with the other forms we know now, ichthyornis is perfectly ok to call a bird imo

[sterile trail]

Oviraptorids are to me a fine line between being a dinosaur and a bird