paleontology

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-the-oscars-gif-25234305

[outer tusk]

yes because someone thinks that's what matter when it comes to hunting your prey lmao

[dreamy relic]

Completely off topic but how come you havent made a PoT tier list video?

[bright veldt]

Cause official PoT sucks. I only care about the game cause of the modding scene. There’s no point of reference for me to use with such customization.

[outer tusk]

Titanopteryx

[outer tusk]

agreed I hate POT so damn much

[dreamy relic]

Understandable

BoB is the only good prehistoric animal survival game...

My beloved

Gargaornis better tho......

[white matrix]

honestly could be pedantry but when I play pot I don't really consider it a survival game as much as a pure sandbox

[dreamy relic]

Janavis also has a good skull☺️☺️☺️☺️

[outer tusk]

goat

[sudden wind]

We observed several attempt by the ETP killer whales in California even this year.

[dreamy relic]

Zstop sleeping on themm!!!!!

[lavish frigate]

This is one of the images that exist

[dreamy relic]

For real

Whats the second smartest animal right now? We all know humans are number 1

[nocturne merlin]

monke

[tough parcel]

Intelligence is a BS measurement lmao

[warped peak]

It's pretty damn hard to measure

The second place smartest animal candidates are Ravens, Sperm Whales and Elephants though IIRC

[lavish frigate]

I love how whales decided one time that they really wanted to have crocodile mouths. So they did that a lot

[light osprey]

Could it be that even the dimwitted reptile maybe exhibit a cunning intellect from time to time?

[lavish frigate]

Dang your no longer the fearsome Godzilla that has evolved

[white matrix]

False. If that was true, then how did cunning, beautiful, glorious and superior mammals manage to displace and outcompete the sluggish, dull reptiles?

[white matrix]

debatable tbh

also i doubt you can rank that kind of thing linearly

great apes, elephants, and cetaceans are all highly 'intelligent' but they've evolved in entirely different manners and express their 'intelligence' in differing ways

[bright veldt]

If you want an example of how intelligence is misconstrued, just take a gander at the recent rex intelligence paper

[tulip dove]

Are there any reliable speed estimates for Saurophaganax

[outer tusk]

prime's starsceram is peak

[bright veldt]

Who was published by someone who, at this point, makes it really obvious they’re a neurologist and not apt in any form of bio at all (Thinks crocs and reptiles in general are still dumb)

[tough parcel]

100%, I would agree

[outer tusk]

22mph

[warped peak]

What?

That seems extremely high

[tough parcel]

What, that is physically impossible to get

[tulip dove]

Thanks

[bright veldt]

Baboons and Tyrannosaurs have similar neural density in their brains, but it’s how baboons express and co-opt themselves in their social groups that brought out intelligence.

[warped peak]

(Do not use that, that is not a possible speed for it)

[outer tusk]

22mph is too high 💀, me when elepahnts top at 25mph

[bright veldt]

Giraffes have greater neural density than both of them but they don’t really express behaviors that we’d consider to be akin to Einstein.

[outer tusk]

https://youtu.be/HUE304bqwQc okay mb it's km/h not mph

[warped peak]

big difference

[outer tusk]

well really!!!!! really I didn't know!!!!

[warped peak]

Using it's mammalian cunning, the clever Metric system user easily dispatches the slow Imperial behemoth

[white matrix]

it was one reason imperial went extinct

[outer tusk]

the hell is imperial

[lavish frigate]

Imperial supremacy

to heck with METERS

[warped peak]

Inches/Miles/Feet

[outer tusk]

I mean it's for POT so ofc

[tawdry lintel]

I ve seen in an article about suchos that despite their strong bite their jaws were "fragile"

[outer tusk]

monke

[bright veldt]

Suchomimus’s jaws were still strong, but pretty weak for a theropod of its size. Ceratosaurus has a higher bite force.

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[bright veldt]

Camarasaurus’s bite isn’t quite that powerful. Still very strong though. Comparable to a gorilla’s bite.

[tawdry lintel]

Oh ye, I also readed more and later it is specified that it was "weak" for tackling large preys

[bright veldt]

I kinda doubt it mattered for Suchomimus at least. It was so big 90% of the animals in its ecosystem were “small prey” for it.

[tawdry lintel]

I don't know honestly

[outer tusk]

the rooster in question looking pretty balanced ngl

[bright veldt]

It’s outdated tbf, Suchomimus has gotten significantly bigger since then

It’s comparable in length to a T. rex and weighs like 5+ tons

[outer tusk]

ik but there isn't really a new siz comp of this formation inhabitants

[tawdry lintel]

It says that sometimes they could try to hunt big hervibores but mostly just ripping meat chunks from them

[bright veldt]

It was THE biggest animal in its ecosystem. Most other animals in the formation don’t even get close to that. The only ones that kinda do are sarco and lurdu.

[tulip dove]

Well is there any other estimates

[tawdry lintel]

It was in Africa right ?

[bright veldt]

Yes

[outer tusk]

tes

[tough parcel]

No because Saurophaganax is poorly described and measurements need to be verified

[dreamy relic]

I thought it was a battle between corvids and pilot whales

[tulip dove]

Hmmm
Could it be reasonable to scale it from carcharodontosaurids?
One that is around the same size as it or would that just be not even worth it

Doing a presentation

[dreamy relic]

True, its so damn annoyin because you have to take so many things into consideration like brain to body ratio, neurons, behavior and a lot more things

A crow has less neurons than an Orca but they're essentially on the same level

And Pigeons have a tiny brain yet they're pretty intelligent

[warped peak]

Not really, Carcharodonts have a pretty different build to Sauro and Allo

[sullen cairn]

society if carcharodontosauridae included allosaurus

[outer tusk]

this list would be so much longer

[lavish frigate]

Why’s the GIF gone

[dreamy relic]

Oh dear lord

[scenic flame]

that and I feel like it's arms more than compansated for it's lightly built skull

[daring forge]

huh

wats happening

[somber nebula]

Even though I've tried my best to stay up-to-date with spinosaurid research, I somehow either forgot or never realized that Suchomimus has been upsized.

On the topic of Suchomimus, is Ceratosuchopsini like, fully accepted as a tribe? I've heard differing opinions and accounts, but I haven't really seen any papers that have disputed the establishment of Ceratosuchopsini, so I'm assuming it is.

[bright veldt]

Tmk it holds up. People give riparo/ceratosuchops flack for being fragmentary but the very few bits that did preserve are diagnostic.

[scenic flame]

we have braincases from both which is very important

[bright veldt]

I dunno what’s going on with ceratosuchops specifically though. I don’t know if it’s been placed as a species of riparo by now or not. I know it’s semantics but there tends to be a general opinion.

Ah ok they’ve never been lumped actually. Sereno just counted them as the same in an analysis once.

[exotic quest]

Did I see the horned crocodile-faced hell heron get mentioned?

[warped peak]

No, nobody mentioned David Peters

[exotic quest]

why would you say that name?

[mossy anchor]

Do we have an idea on what tyrannosaurus rex evolved from? I think i remember it being pretty accepted that it evolved from dasp, but now that mcraeenis is known, i dunno if that view has changed?

[bright veldt]

We don't really have a way of knowing, especially from one genus to another front.

The general idea is that Tyrannosaurini evolved in Asia and made it's way to North America. The mcraensis paper suggested that Tyrannosaurini evolved in NA, particularly in the South, but that's really debatable when Zucheng is still the oldest tyrannosaurini.

[mossy anchor]

So the idea is that mcraensis branched out to asia, instead of tyrannosaurs branching out to NA? But thats kinda invalid since Zucheng is older than mcraensis and comes from China?

[bright veldt]

They meant more like, the ancestor of mcraensis came from the area and went to asia rather than mcraensis itself doing that

[sullen cairn]

there's equivocal indications of tyrannosaurins in NA in the upper campanian, but there seem to appear in a few places in asia maybe earlier
i say maybe earlier because 95% of said asian strata is terribly constrained

but assuming they are indeed older it would support the asia->NA immigration idea

[mossy anchor]

Ohhh ok, thanks!

[mossy anchor]

So its pretty up in the air still? Thanks for all the info

[sullen cairn]

pretty much, but the current datings suggest they show up in asia first

[mossy anchor]

Thats pretty cool, ty for all the help!!

[somber tartan]

Saw this and thought it was funny

[outer tusk]

Looks so ugly

[somber tartan]

That’s just suchomimus for ya

[lavish frigate]

Well. The thylacine thing is so big now that gaming beaver is making a video on it lol

[crude latch]

💀

[cosmic fox]

[outer tusk]

so could all hadrosaurs have these back scales?

[crude latch]

I remember their being something said here awhile back on those not being scales? Can’t remember what tho

[hallow spear]

They are it’s just strange literature.. I think…

[light osprey]

Yes there are back scales silly goose

[river plinth]

They should have never posted this news in media till you secured and found the individual man now if it is real poachers are gonna be racing it to it first before yall find it 😦
Just like they recently did the world's previous largest annaconda not to long ago

[river plinth]

Sertant species yeah but I'd doubt largest ones like Edmontosaurus or shantungosaurus

[lavish frigate]

It’s not real. It’s incredibly easy to fake and some of the pictures are clearly based on a life sized model that someone made.

Also I love the insinuation that poachers are some sort of international organization that searches cryptozoology circles to go find the last of an endangered species

[river plinth]

Probably for catching large fish that tey to wiggle away at the tip of the mouth

[river plinth]

They are It's called the black markets demand or sum fokes hunting it for the sake and brag to his freinds and it happens quite alot more than ppl think with big or medium game hunting
But I said IF it's confirmed real but now I'm sure ppl are looking so if there out there we maybe have sealed there fate

[velvet burrow]

Wha...

[tough parcel]

But Edmonto is one of the only hadrosaurs with solid evidence of back tabs

[light osprey]

Beat me to it

[river plinth]

Hes saying Suchomimus is a uglier than the ugly ducking

[river plinth]

Really? I thought they were bald this whole time 💀

[tough parcel]

Nope

[lavish frigate]

Ok so the black market is a lot more that just the illegal animal trade. Also I feel like you’re hugely overestimating how organized poachers are and to what lengths they will go to do something. There’s not like one giant organization called Poachers incorporated where all the poachers work on finding one individual thylacine (that is fake).

So I highly doubt any poachers care about the fake thylacine photos lol

You’ve heard of big pharma and big paleo but watch out for…big poachers….

[river plinth]

They said that about Javan tigers till the last living one was confirmed poached pls you sure? There's a reason ppl in congo use literally heavy fire arms to secure gorillas in there territory

[velvet burrow]

They're such an almost hive mind like cesspool of human sh*t they might as well be

[tough parcel]

Wild Kratts villains be like:

[river plinth]

Ppl just crazy doesn't need to be a massive organization ppl could simply have a small group to finish the job

[lavish frigate]

No. They aren’t a hive mind. It’s mostly non associated groups of people that go hunt animals that will make them money (since a lot of poaching happens in poor countries where things like ivory or pelts will go for a lot because of cultural reasons)

[tough parcel]

But also I genuinely think there’s a misunderstanding of what the black market is. It’s not like the movies at all as far as I know. People don’t sell animals like JW:D. They’re not concerned with a single thylacine (that is 100% fake).

[velvet burrow]

Or people could just be attracted to the same thing without being organized like deinonychus to a dying tenontosaurus

[tough parcel]

And yea, poaching isn’t an organized group. It’s a label for multiple groups that are maybe completely independent of each other

[lavish frigate]

People kinda genuinely think of the animal trade and poaching like wild kratts villains tbh 💀

[river plinth]

Fr they poached black rhinos so bad the last 1 left had to be protected and supervised like he was the president and they still try to get the poor bby from time to time

[river plinth]

No but as I said alot of them are crazy enough to do it

[tough parcel]

Another thing is thylacines don’t matter anywhere. Rhinos, tigers, elephants, etc are all hunted due to extremely high demand (predominantly in Asia) for their use in traditional medicine.

Lions and such are poached only to brag because they’re big and powerful, the peak of masculinity if you kill one. The thylacine is a striped fox for all anyone cares to know

[lavish frigate]

Also even though poaching is horrible I feel like there is a limit to how much we can beat up on some poor guy who went to work for elephant ivory hunters so he could put food on the table (not to try and make poaching seem sympathetic but many of the places where it’s most prevalent are horribly poor)

[tough parcel]

No-one cares if there’s living thylacines beyond kids like us and the scientific community especially since these are unfounded rumors

[river plinth]

This

[lavish frigate]

Erm akshually big poacher does. Their sending in the troops rn fr

[lavish frigate]

You just said the opposite of that though

[tough parcel]

It’s honestly just this atp (like many paleo-community “drama”)

[river plinth]

Partly but I'm sure there will be some ppl looking for it to kill it

[lavish frigate]

Maybe like an 11 year old in his Tasmanian backyard that watched forest’s video lol. Nobody is taking it seriously because it’s fake. 100% proven fake. We know what they actually based the art on

[river plinth]

I said if 🤗 not that it's real

[lavish frigate]

Ik 👍 but you were still acting like it could be real so I was just clarifying that it ain’t

[lavish frigate]

Thylacine! Thylacine! We’ve got thylacine here! See nobody cares -scientists speaking to forest

[outer tusk]

What was the discussion?

[crude latch]

Same as it has been for the past few days

[river plinth]

He's trying to say IF thylacines real poachers wouldn't try to go after it

[bright veldt]

Outside of the fact it’s exotic really. Thylacine’s entire extinction was due to propaganda rather than being desirable to kill in any way.

[river plinth]

True

[simple cave]

More likely they’ll bring thylacine back through cloning tbh lol. They have already sequenced its genome.

[tiny holly]

Cloning animals to bring them back is still pretty far off and a lot more complicated than people think though. We can't restore mitochondrial dna for example (or at least havent yet afaik) and that's pretty important for an organism. So you'd have to replace it with the mtDNA from a similar animal. In the case of a thylacine though, what to you use? The closest living relative is the numbat but they're still pretty far diverged. There's also the complication of surrogacy, only made more complicated in marsupials due to their reliance on pouches. Maybe we'll get good enough at artifical wombs that it won't be a problem anymore, but we're not there yet. And what about the behaviours of the animal that aren't coded in their dna? Is the resulting animal really going to be anything like the extinct version we're trying to recreate outside of aesthetics?

I think it could work, but at this point in time I sadly don't think the thylacine is a very good candidate in large part because of how unique it is. The closer related the modern relative of an extinct animal is the easier of a time you're going to have for the above reasons, making stuff like mammoths and passenger pigeons better candidates imo

[nocturne merlin]

quick question, did ankylosaurs have the extended downwards beak similar to edmontosaurus? specifically those from ankylosaurini

[native kindle]

this video seems to cover most of what's wrong with the thylacine stuff, so i guess direct people here to clear up misinformation

[stiff osprey]

We have no evidence that they did, but we also don't have keratin preserved from that area of an ankylosaur

[nocturne merlin]

w fallout pfp

[final gulch]

this all situation reminded me of the alian news, evry one was believing it, and completely miss the factes, and the obvious. (is so sad ppl caring more about finding extinct animals, instead of protecting the ones who are almost extinct) U_U

[silk radish]

There Is only a single subspecies of Lythronax right?

Oh ok

[cloud dagger]

Wrong chat. #1150510168073850971 is the place probably

[white matrix]

Why am i muted in the game i only said "gae and pssy"

[bright veldt]

Wrong chat. CAN. PEOPLE. READ.

[lavish frigate]

What possessed you to send this here of all places. Why. Why must paleo chat be abused this way in like every server

[alpine zodiac]

LMAO

[lavish frigate]

Mr boatman🫵 don’t enable paleo chat abuse like this 🫵

[small geyser]

I swear I am starting to think people are doing this even though they know better.

Like its some kind of annoying meme we don't know about.

[flint stream]

open this server and why there's this message here 😭

bro is at the wrong server

[noble dune]

I needed this laugh today

[small geyser]

Anyways, back on topic. Here's a question for everyone. Is cloning mammoths too controversial to attempt to do given how different the Earth is now compared to when the animals thrived?

[bright veldt]

I think so.

[flint stream]

chances yes

even tho mammoth would have major role for their native ecosystem

[bright veldt]

We are currently living through a mass extinction event. 50% of all animal biomass has died since 1970. It’s the emptiest the planet has been since the Eocene, potentially since the KT. But instead of protecting what we have in order to properly restore let’s just bring a mammoth into this world with no home for it when it gets here. Very smart idea.

[small geyser]

Probably wouldn't be much of an issue since the mammoths would be heavily protected if they were to be cloned, but there is also the case of poaching for tusks.

[flint stream]

poaching is general but i was thinking about where do we placing our clone mammoth

[bright veldt]

That’s not what im getting at. The habitat mammoths lived in just isn’t really here anymore, and what little does remain is ravaged.

The bigger picture. What’s the point of doing it outside the spectacle when they’re being born into a dying planet.

[compact leaf]

it does raise funding, at least one group attempting it plans to send funds to conservation of endangered or recently extinct species

because let's face it, cloning a recently extinct species just doesn't bring in as much funding and probably never will

[flint stream]

like where are we placing the mammoth habitat. the steppe ? russian steppe ?

[bright veldt]

It’s is much smaller and less biodiverse than when said mammoths were around

[bright veldt]

It just feels like a waste of time. Let’s save and protect what we have so there’s a place for said resurrected species to go. Cloning species isn’t going to help given the diminishing returns of current extinctions and habitat destruction.

[gloomy violet]

man i love monsrer hunter

[light osprey]

Good luck to the poachers who plan on going to the Russian tundra to get those hypothetical tusks. Might freeze before they ever see a Mammoth

[bright veldt]

I mean if we hunted them in such places back when we were hunter gatherers then modern humans with special equipment can too. It’s not THAT insane of a feat.

[flint stream]

if the poachers are smart enough. and also we hunt during winter

[lavish frigate]

Not to mention the fact that there would definitely be some security presence for said resurrected mammoths that cost millions to bring back

[flint stream]

it will be billion or trillion of dollar actually

[lavish frigate]

I don’t believe so actually? It’s heckin expensive but idk if it’s that bad (maybe for multiple individuals. But for one I’d say close but not quite out of the millions)

Also on the conservation topic

People who want environmentally friendly energy: we want energy that doesn’t hurt the environment!

Nuclear power: you called?

The same people: no! Not you! Leave!

Windmills that don’t create enough energy and also take up way more space in said environment: I got you bro

The people: (nod approvingly)

[gloomy violet]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-clawed-nergigante-mhw-dragon-gif-15789875

[crude latch]

[surreal fossil]

*monster hunter 🤓👆

[surreal fossil]

That mf is an opp

[tulip otter]

I have fish fang

[surreal fossil]

I want a real velociraptor skeleton in my house

[warped peak]

How crunchy is it

[tulip otter]

Very

[warped peak]

On a scale of jellyfish to captain

[gloomy violet]

oh sweet struthi tlc

[vast sedge]

Do yall think dromaeosaurid hatchlings made peeping sounds like modern chicks do?

I was just looking at our chickens and thinking damn these are dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

It's either that or baby croc laser noises

[zinc solstice]

How big were Rieppelia and Whiteia (the Middle Triassic coelacanth)

Can't find any sizes for them

[gloomy violet]

any berta mains

[tough parcel]

How does this keep happening. #path-of-titans is right there, it is labeled so clearly at the top

[crude latch]

Bej is trolling ignore him. Just normal bej things

[gloomy violet]

[tough parcel]

I love that duck, taking it

[lavish frigate]

I see your once again the fearsome Godzilla that has evolved

[tough parcel]

Indeed!

[lavish frigate]

Pop quiz. What is the one and only correct answer for what group MV Gojira comes from (this is on topic because it’s paleo )

[tough parcel]

Uhhh sponisaorus

[lavish frigate]

No you imbecile! He’s a Crocodylomorph! That thing is no dinosaur

[tough parcel]

Crying!

[stiff osprey]

Wasn't MV Gojira from the permian? Crocodylomorphs didn't exist in the permian

[tough parcel]

I believe it was stated somewhere to not take that as fact because it was just Vivian/Serizawa spitballing

[crude latch]

No MV goji quite literally stopped some big ol meteor during the Permian

Or did he just withstand it? I don’t remember

[tough parcel]

Did...did he?

Wait, was this the comic with Shimu or whatever?

[crude latch]

No no

Ye he survived the Permian extinction

[tough parcel]

MV lore moment

[crude latch]

Unless that was the part you mentioned of Serizawa just spitballing

[tough parcel]

Nah, it was during the G'14 presentation scene

[lavish frigate]

New possibility. Is goji a freaking amphibian. I’d hate that.

[crude latch]

Ok ye there was a comic showing goji fighting a big bug esc kaiju called,”Shinimura” and then the Permian extinction happens, yada yada. Swims down closer to the earths core, goes eep, wakes up via nuke dropping, etc etc. but we’re not sure if this truly happened

[tough parcel]

Oh yea that was the name

[light oxide]

Apparently, there's a mummified Tyrannosaurus specimen that was found?

[stiff osprey]

He has scales, legs, and gills. Thus he is a temnospondyl

[tough parcel]

Considering said comic had boats in the Permian, I don't think they had a time period in mind

[stiff osprey]

Oh lmfao I forgot the permian boats
Must have been designed by the permian bears

[light oxide]

Here's the website link:

https://paulsereno.uchicago.edu/research/research_interests/

[compact leaf]

sereno dungeon moment

[stiff osprey]

I'm fairly sure he's saying ''we found mummies in the rocks that contain edmont and rex'', not ''we found mummies of edmont and rex''

Although edmont mummies do exist, I don't know if serenolab has any

[tough parcel]

Tbh that is confusing af wording

[light oxide]

If there are edmonto mummies, there is a slight chance of a tyranno mummie.

That said, not sure since I'm just hearing of this now.

[tough parcel]

Random is saying they (SerenoLab) does not have Edmont mummies

Guys my brain is frying itself as we speak, send medical attention

[stiff osprey]

if I know Sereno he's going to make a way bigger deal out of a rex mummy than this

I say that as if Sereno is the most clickbaity paleontologist out there but like, who wouldn't?

[crude latch]

The what? 💀

[stiff osprey]

the only reason not to is if it's under embargo, which if it was, this tweet would be breaking it

[tough parcel]

Yuh, one of the beginning panels has em in the bottom right corner

[crude latch]

Show

[tough parcel]

I don't have it :(

[crude latch]

Then me no believe you(I do)

[tough parcel]

Literally crying rn, I don't have the comic 😭 digitally or physically

[lavish frigate]

What…what would this mean lol. I’m dumb and my brain ain’t braining

[stiff osprey]

the mummies, whatever they are, are from the same rocks as edmont and rex

[lavish frigate]

Tbh anything other than a hadrosaur mummy would be warmly welcomed ( darn you hadrosaurs I already know what you look like. Stop mummifying)

[light osprey]

Multituberculate mummy!

The second specimen of Bubodens is upon us

[light oxide]

At least once the Tyrannosaurus mummie become public, we may have more insight to how it mat have looked, like if it had sparse feathering like it's been speculated, etc.

[tough parcel]

We are literally saying it does not exist like that has been the whole conversation until now

[sullen cairn]

i bet the tyrannosaurus mummy preserves the eyeballs

[tough parcel]

Table killed the chat

[sullen cairn]

good

[tough parcel]

Honestly fair

[lavish frigate]

All I ask. Is that the mummy isn’t a gosh darn hadrosaur.

[stiff osprey]

pachycephalosaur mummy let's go

[tough parcel]

With rex bones as its stomach contents

[stiff osprey]

probably not given we have like 3 pachy specimens that aren't just a dome fragment but it would be cool

[lavish frigate]

Unless it reveals that edmontosaurus had macaroni penguin looking display feathers on it’s eyebrows I don’t wanna hear the words hadrosaur mummy

[lavish frigate]

But that’s impossible since it was clearly in the mountainous regions. This is proven by the undeniable evidence of it not preserving often

[lavish frigate]

Revenge for that oviraptorosaur

[tough parcel]

Lol

[lavish frigate]

Idea. Yk what’d be cool? Dromaeosaur mummy

[stiff osprey]

I'd take a Thesc mummy, we know they exist, but the one we have is owned by Depalma so it doesn't count

[tough parcel]

Do we know they exist outside of that?

[stiff osprey]

Clint Boyd has a thesc mummy but it's not a very good one for showing skin detail

[tough parcel]

I c

[light osprey]

What about a tyrant mummy

[lavish frigate]

Is thesc confirmed fluffy or do people just like drawing it like that

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosaur fans are getting coin sized bits of skin and they're gonna like it!

[lavish frigate]

King George III mummy fr

[stiff osprey]

Both Thesc mummies we have are scaly, however one is a) privately owned and b) just a leg and the other is

I know very little about the other one

[lavish frigate]

Maybe a pelicanamimus situation where it preserves as completely freaking scaly for zero reason

Why does bro have scales let alone preserve them with like no feathers

[light osprey]

Lancian always says a thing about them and I like his opinions

[stiff osprey]

A thing

[light osprey]

Yes! Precisely!

[lavish frigate]

Hear me out. Quetz mummy. I’d die.

I’d explode into balls of love and fire.

I’d literally combust with love

[halcyon cobalt]

quetz mummy but only of a severed tail bone

[tribal sandal]

Hello you can use our #animals-or-pets channel for this discussion

[mental flower]

Thank you, I’ll move it there. 😊

[lavish frigate]

Sentenced to steel folding chair to the cranium

[tropic silo]

Kinda paleo kinda pot related: I really wish that the pterosaurs in PoT had take off animations, like how when preparing to lift off they crouch down and spring off their front limbs, in the game we kinda just jump and immediately fly, would be so cool as a major pterosaur lover

[dreamy relic]

For real

[simple cave]

Would be nice but for the sake of balance I feel they wanted players to run then jump. Rather than quad leap like they probably did irl

[tough parcel]

They did both

[stiff osprey]

I don't think he made it up, but I don't know if the mummy is actually Thesc

Lancian thinks not

[hallow spear]

Kulinodromeus or whatever its called has it i think, but like thats all ("Lepidocheirosaurus" specimen)

[swift zinc]

man paleontologists naming prehistoric creatures after fictional names gets funnier and funnier, there's a mosasaur named Jormungandr

not to mention the feline named yoshi, abeilasaur named thanos, early ceratopsian named gremlin, and bulbasaurus

[crude latch]

We have a turtle named Sinemys. Gamera

[stiff estuary]

Not to mention the amphibian called Kermitops

[lavish frigate]

I was looking at the comments of one of the videos on the new thylacine thing going around and I guess there’s now a few people thinking Archesuchus faked not being the photo taker for like followers or something which is….stupid

I mean I do hope the thylacine thing calls more attention to arches cool work but I don’t think arch himself is involved

[sharp canyon]

I.... Feel like that'd be wider knowledge if that was the case

[tame tapir]

“Believed” ima beliber too

[tough parcel]

It's even funnier when you realize the thylacine went extinct because of farmers

[tame tapir]

^^^

[lavish frigate]

They almost hunted the sheep to extinction fr! The ecosystem would’ve collapsed without the non native walking cotton balls!

[tough parcel]

Trug...

[sudden wind]

Jormi is good though.
Good choice from Amelia and her team, very fitting for a mosasaur (though it isn't super big)

[swift zinc]

it definitely is fitting, doesn't make it less funny though

[sudden wind]

Funniest thing to me is that the paper has a Spotify Playlist

[silk radish]

How accurate Is this Artistic Tyrannosaurus?

I've seen It everywhere

[sudden wind]

pretty good

[outer tusk]

Wdym that's Fredthedinosaurman, and yes it's accurate

[cosmic fox]

it good and cool

[white garden]

I think most of Freds art is fairly paleo accurate from what I've seen. Hes done some pretty cool stuff

[heady thunder]

Its peak

[thick oriole]

hey guys what do you think about the accuracy of Prehistoric Planet

[outer tusk]

7/10

[white matrix]

design, behavior, environments, all three?

[light osprey]

Perhaps even… more than three factors…

[lavish frigate]

Like 9/10. My only real gripes aren’t with anything on realism grounds I just wish they went a different route with Rex’s keratin

[thick oriole]

overall

[white matrix]

overall its probably the most accurate dino doc ever, but thats mostly cause its the newest and ya know, passage of time and all that

but it is also highly speculative in some aspects, it should be taken as a potential look into the lives of these creatures based on the creatures of today, not the gospel of what dinosaurs were like

[stiff osprey]

People like to judge PP for having worse direction and cinematography than Walking with Dinosaurs and like. They're right. But a) nothing else even comes close to WWD in those qualities and b) ultimately the purpose of a documentary is to inform people, and WWD does not do that perfectly even for its time

[white matrix]

neither does PP to be fair, i think its speculative elements risk confusing people, causing a mixup of whats known fact and whats speculation based on modern creatures

[stiff osprey]

Agreed, but PP is ahead by a mile on that front simply because it was made when we knew more about the animals

[sullen cairn]

the unadulterated horror when the general public now believes nanuqsaurus was maastrichtian rather than terminal campanian

[compact leaf]

I’m going to tell everyone that it’s terminal maastrichtian and known from very good remains

[white matrix]

heh, im just a lil weary. its not gonna ruin sci-com if the general public starts believing titanosaurs have neck balls, but it would be annoying if that happened

[stiff osprey]

Actually on point b) i think Surviving Earth has pretty good direction, shot composition etc. It could have rivaled or even beaten PP in overall quality if it was just more attentive to the facts lol

[compact leaf]

my only real gripe was the extreme chumbification of the sauropods and a few things in general, they went too far in the opposite direction of shrinkwrapping in places

[compact leaf]

wait a minute is surviving earth out? did I miss that somehow?

[stiff osprey]

wait no not Surviving Earth

[sullen cairn]

"surviving" earth
includes dead animals
??????

[stiff osprey]

the fucken uhhh
Life on our Planet, that was it

[white matrix]

lmao if those animals were so cool where are they now? they fell off

[sullen cairn]

life on our earth vs surviving planet

[compact leaf]

I just want a documentary with some good morrison segments, give me brachiosaurus back in a documentary

[white matrix]

life on our planet had some glaring narrative innacuracies, like the idea lystrosaurus went extinct cause it was a bumbling doof that didnt know what a predator was

[stiff osprey]

come to think of it was WWD the last time we saw Brach in a documentary lmao

[sullen cairn]

does disney's dinosaur count

[compact leaf]

the only time, other brachiosaurids but never brachi itself tmk

[white matrix]

we dont speak its name, lest we summon it

[stiff osprey]

exactly, if they didn't have several glaring inaccuracies in the story and models it could have been one of the best paleodocs of all time

[compact leaf]

I still love baylene and always will

[sullen cairn]

"if life on our planet had revised its entire narrative and design philosophy it would've been great"

[stiff osprey]

i like the overall narrative style
just like... don't lie to the public and you're good

[compact leaf]

lusotitan and cedarosaurus showed up in dinosaur revolution, but no other documentaries besides wwd have featured a brachiosaurid and especially not brachi

[stiff osprey]

the smilodon's mammalian cunning

[white matrix]

while we're on the subject of rewriting docs, i think jurrassic fight cub had potential. the concept is a bit edgy yes but there are actual dinos we know fought eachother. like, imagine an episode reviewing the defensive capabilities of a prey animal and the hunting strategies of a predator and hw we know all that, then giving us the fight based on all that info. could actually be really awesome

[sullen cairn]

can we excuse flagrant information if its such a blatant caricature of stuff we say ironically that its kinda funny

[stiff osprey]

so Truth about Killer Dinosaurs

[white matrix]

i never saw that one, guess child me couldnt find it on netflix

[compact leaf]

we need a wwd and beasts reboot

that’s the only way we’ll all be happy, the only option

[white matrix]

lies and slander. bird supremacy

[compact leaf]

or better yet a long series that covers more than the maastrichtian (please just give me the morrison)

[stiff osprey]

the CGI bits are wonky but they built awesome life sized metal models of T.rex's skull, ankylosaur tail clubs, etc and just made them destroy stuff. 10/10

[sullen cairn]

people complain about maastrichtian NA being overrepresented but like 100% of decent turonian-santonian NA terrestrial biotas have appeared in documentaries

[compact leaf]

then make them appear again, give me more, better yet give me aptian to cenomanian, or anything from the jurassic, I will not be satisfied until I see more brachiosaurids

[stiff osprey]

I'm satisfied with the DR Lusotitan, they just show up, drain everyone's resources, refuse to elaborate and leave. that's the peak of giant sauropod behavior

the Cedaro segment was kind of goofy given they just plastered buffalo/elephant behavior on them. also they're massively oversized

[lavish frigate]

This is true but the problem with criticism of PHP over this is that…it would need to break immersion constantly to remind the audience that it’s very speculative. And that’d get old after a while lol

[compact leaf]

gigachad lusotitan

[sullen cairn]

oh that's a 90cm pachyrhinosaurus femur

[stiff osprey]

there are no numbers in that image

[sullen cairn]

if only drumheller didn't exist to make it boring

[light osprey]

Maastrichtian 🔛 🔝

[compact leaf]

I got down a rabbit hole of larramendi scaling random brachiosaurs the other day

giant eastern north american brachiosaurs everywhere

[sullen cairn]

wtf

[compact leaf]

yeah, it’s something

and that doesn’t even take all the footprints into account

[sullen cairn]

nigerien brachiosaur better not be trying for round two

[stiff osprey]

the nefarious nougaredi

[compact leaf]

I forget what larramndi scales astrodon as mass wise but he has it as a brachiosaurid

doesn’t help that the remains attributed to it are a mess, the only for sure thing is the teeth but larramendi assigns some juvenile remains to it

[barren lagoon]

thoughts on my Balaur

[warped peak]

Where'd the funny toes go

[barren lagoon]

there

[barren lagoon]

its just my interpretation and of course i can change it

i have just been working on it a lot today so ill fix it tomorrow

[warped peak]

I mean yes, but you did ask for thoughts

The claw should probably also be a bit more hooked

[barren lagoon]

i know and ill fix it

but what about the rest of it is that pretty acurate

[lavish frigate]

I do wanna let the thylacine stuff die down eventually but I do just wanna say how freaking amazing arches model is. Like, this art doll is probably one of his best creations

[barren lagoon]

can we all agree Balaur is just adorable

[lavish frigate]

Theoretically yes. Although idk if we have a skull

[barren lagoon]

we do i think

no we dont

[rose gate]

Did this two met?

[hardy sentinel]

Where is the line drawn between birds and reptiles despite birds being (phylogenetically) reptiles? like is it drawn when Archeopteryx came into existence?

[bright veldt]

Aves (The bird clade that's within reptiles) does generally start with basal archaeopteryx esc-forms yes.

[hardy sentinel]

so why dont more people accept them as reptiles today? is it due to past research placing them as their own thing? (as in past I mean 100 years or so ago)

[bright veldt]

It's very much because the traditional method of classification "linnean taxonomy" had vertebrates in like 5 set categories (mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish) but modern taxonomy (cladistics) classifies things on ancestry. If you come from the thing, then you are that thing. Birds come from reptiles, so they're a type of reptile.

[hardy sentinel]

makes more sense now

just like apes are types of monkeys?

[bright veldt]

Yes

It's also why "fish" nowadays is just a description rather than an actual scientific group. Cause by that logic we're also fish haha.

[hardy sentinel]

I dont mean to be a nerd...

but we come from the common ancestor of fish and land vertibrates

[bright veldt]

I mean here's the thing.

By that logic, then literally all vertebrates are fish. It stops being a helpful descriptor. So it being an unscientific term for what we associate with fish makes more sense than trying to classify things as "fish".

[hardy sentinel]

so kind of the "lizard" situation

most lizard like reptiles are called lizards. but phylogenetically they arent, just lizard like reptiles

Such as squamates and such

[bright veldt]

Truth be told I'd consider all squamates lizards.

[hardy sentinel]

makes sense

I mean by phylogenetic standpoints, snakes are more related to lizards than squamates are to lizards

my goodness lizard isnt even starting to sound like a word anymore

[bright veldt]

Snakes are lizards really

[bright veldt]

Moving from modding, I have all the largest hadrosaurs on hand, so here.

[final gulch]

I wanna see

[bright veldt]

1. Shantungosaurus (15m, 15 tons)
2. Edmontosaurus (15m, 14 tons) (?)
3. Parasaurolophus (13m, 12 tons)
4. Magnapaulia (12m, 10 tons)
5. Saurolophus (12m, 9 tons)
   6, 7, 8. Amurosaurus, Barsboldia, and Charonosaurus (11m, 7 tons)
6. Prosaurolophus (10m, 6.5 tons)
7. Tsintaosaurus (10m, 5 tons)

[final gulch]

Why is ther 2 paras ?

[bright veldt]

9’s Prosaurolophus

[final gulch]

Ok i missd read

[bitter quest]

I was gonna say that lol, that 9 is prosaurolophus

[bright veldt]

Parasaurolophus has 3 species

[final gulch]

Edmontosaurus is that big, i sweet i thought it was 14m in max

[bright veldt]

Truth be told the actual size of the biggest edmontosaurus is very finnicy. The details are blurry. What’s agreed on is “generally shant sized”. I still consider shant larger cause 100% the bigger one on average when said giant edmontos are the exception and not the norm yknow.

[sullen cairn]

tbf iirc 15m is the upper estimate for a single maxilla

[bitter quest]

Odd I always recalled charonosaurus being larger than parasaur but probably new skeletal found or size estimate

Yeah I was going to point out on that for edmonto

[final gulch]

I mean ther is a difrant between larger especialmente, and normal size.

[sullen cairn]

charonosaurus and the largest parasaurolophus postcrania are about the same size but para has some cranial fragments that suggest a slightly maximum size

[bright veldt]

Parasaurolophus walkeri is the species most people think of when they think para. It’s also the smallest though, at 8 meters and 3 tons or so. P. tubicens is larger, at about 12 meters and 8-9 tons. P. cyrocristatus was originally thought to be the smallest, with a droopy crest, but these are now known to be juveniles. The limited material that exists on adults show them to be some of the largest hadrosaurs out there.

[bitter quest]

Alright that explains it for both

[final gulch]

I thought the once with a smaler crest wer feamales

[bright veldt]

Sexual dimorphism is iffy in most dinosaurs. It’s been suggested in various hadrosaurs but nothing solid.

[final gulch]

make seans is very hard to preserv that evidance in fociles, unless we find a focil with eggs in it

[bitter quest]

Difficult but not impossible

[outer tusk]

Shouldn't Saurolophus,Parasaurolophus, and maybe Edmontosaurus be specified by species as like earlier Parasaurolophus is known from 3, Sauro being known from 2 and same with Ed?

[sharp dragon]

is tyrannosaurus mcraensis still a thing?

[outer tusk]

Yeah

[outer tusk]

Did mosasaurus live alongside a sauropod of some kind or no?

[nocturne merlin]

alamosaurus probably seen as they both have evidence for being present in southern north america

[hallow spear]

edmonto is right, tsintao is too small i scaled it to 7t with a new gdi on it

[outer tusk]

Tsintao not being on the smaller side is crazy to me

[cosmic fox]

a lot of times ‘reptile’ is used to describe traits, like sprawling and not regulating body temperature well own their own. So it’s kinda like how ‘fish’ is used. Since crocs are closer to birds than any other reptile

[outer tusk]

I thought you said you had to go

[weary mango]

My fossil just came in ^^

(it broke in transport, had to fix it)

[outer tusk]

Hiw do you managecto fix a fossil?

[sharp canyon]

Time travel

[weary mango]

contacted a mate who dose fossil preps and he advised me on how to fix it (supper glue)

[outer tusk]

Yeah because accidentally drop my mako shark tooth 3 years ago and I was hoping I could fix it

[weary mango]

I am always afraid something like that would happen... I have a fossil cluster that is made from very bridal stone and I am always afraid of something like that happening...

[light osprey]

Mosasaurus is found everywhere in the Altantic + possibly the Southern Ocean

[bright veldt]

Where is this new GDI?

[outer tusk]

Onfg

https://vxtwitter.com/mefpatagonia/status/1792929373940502855

[warped peak]

I've seen 10+ Meter estimates for Smilosuchus (Giant Phytosaur)

Is there any basis to them? There's multiple paleontologists referenced for them, between Chatterjee and Creisler

[smoky birch]

So weird question and I know we don’t really have any insight into dinosaur reproduction mechanics, but what is the theory on dinosaurs having hemipenes like some reptiles? I breed snakes so weird snake-breeder thoughts

[little mauve]

Crocs and paleognath birds are better proxies for dinosaur reproductive organs

[outer tusk]

^^^

[lavish frigate]

I want a 10+ meter estimate for Simosuchus

[smoky birch]

Due to where they would sit on a phylogenetic tree?

[little mauve]

Phylogenetic bracketing, correct

[stiff osprey]

Very bad, they are based on applying the head:body ratio of crocodiles

[smoky birch]

Thank you!

[warped peak]

Would Paleochat like to play a game

[sharp canyon]

Oh God what kinda game

[warped peak]

Which of these skulls belongs to the first crocodile-plan animal

Hint: They're all temnospondyls

[pulsar galleon]

top right is prionosuchus, no?

[warped peak]

Yep

[pulsar galleon]

that correct?

[warped peak]

It is

Actually on a similar topic, I'm about to sculpt a singular very good tooth for Prionosuchus and copy/paste it about 6 dozen times

Anybody got a good reference? Maybe a closeup on a Mastodonsaur tooth I can use for texturing

[velvet burrow]

[serene moat]

What's the talk about tyrannosaurus mcraensis or whatever it's called

[bright veldt]

The 2nd tyrannosaurus species

[velvet burrow]

The plates of elasmarians were for breathing right?

[bright veldt]

plates?

[stray wren]

Gonna assume he doesn't mean the group of onithopods

[wind garnet]

Hi, i know very little of dinosaurs but I have had a recent intrest in knowing the age limits of Latenivenatrix. How long did they live, and how long did it take from hatchling to maturity age.

Does anyone know if this information is available and where I could look this up?

[light oxide]

There's only so much we know about life expectancy in dinosaurs. Fossils don't really tell a lot in terms of age.

(Not to mention that Latenivenatrix is no longer valid — it's now synonymous with Stenonychosaurus.)

[stiff osprey]

The last paper I saw on small theropod growth estimated that troodontids took about 16-18 years to reach full size, though they were able to breed much earlier than that (probably around 8 years old)

[light oxide]

Of course, growth is more species specific than really genus specific.

[velvet burrow]

Yes it is

Didn't they have weird plates in their ribcages?

[bright veldt]

I've heard of thescelosaurs having reinforced ribs to protect their sides from their arm spurs when they fought each other, but not in elasmarians.

[velvet burrow]

Kinda like this? Doesn't elasmaria mean "thin plate" because of them?

[bright veldt]

Hmm, might be the same deal as in thescelosaurus then, because they have the same thing.

[velvet burrow]

I'm not good at searching stuff and i discovered the clade yesterday and i'm kinda fascinated by them

The very basic wikipedia says that they would've aided in respiration since they were supposedly too frail and limited in distribution to serve for protection

[stiff osprey]

That's true, they're just bony versions of the uncinate processes common to archosaurs

[velvet burrow]

[bright veldt]

Im wrong then

[hallow spear]

this can also be argued for Thyreophorans having T shaped ribs

[bright veldt]

mmm

Got that Tsintao GDI on yah?

[hallow spear]

its the Prior model

its just a fixed GAT tsintao with an altered Corytho dorsal to match

[bright veldt]

I have no idea what that means nor the context, like

[hallow spear]

im lOOKiNG
scaled to the smaller specimen here

[bright veldt]

I looked up said GAT Tsintao to get an idea of how long it is and 7 tons for a nearly 9 meter hadrosaur? Unless GAT is also using the smaller specimen and there's a bigger one.

[hallow spear]

gat does not scale the larger one

[bright veldt]

kk

[hallow spear]

and you're probably looking at his older ones

let me see if i have the file still

i do not but i do have the image

[hallow spear]

its 9.66m standing length which makes it over 10m centre, i know for a fact that GATs vert count was incorrect which is likely some reason for it

[lavish frigate]

I saw GAT out of the corner of my eye and thought scanova done went gen alpha

[bright veldt]

His ornithschians typically aren't terrible but I've ended up using him less and less as others step up to the plate with them.

[hallow spear]

his ceratopsians are actually pretty good, everything else is hit or miss

[sullen cairn]

1.5m saurolophus skull moment

[hallow spear]

his hadrosaurs are a good base but need edits

also i missremembered its 6t when rounded @bright veldt so 1t extra instead of 2😔

[bright veldt]

k

[hallow spear]

The crest is not based on any specific recon excluding known materials

Yea it’s just speculative for aesthetic uniqueness

I mean it’s plausible

In terms of reference the tsintao would be the best depiction to date if it was in a better view

?

Oh yea that things crest is like it’s melting lol

[sharp canyon]

Elvis

[lucid ibex]

Elvis Crestley

[pallid dock]

what's the most "accurate" dino in Prior?

[flint stream]

so wait. pe tsintaosaurus was actually came from smaller subspecies ?

[hallow spear]

?????

That makes no sense why are you talking about sub species lol

[flint stream]

so no subspecies on tsintaosaurus

[hallow spear]

Sub species do not exist in paleontology

[flint stream]

so only speciment ?

[hallow spear]

I don’t know what you’re talking about ngl

[flint stream]

idk i just recently open discord and found the image i just reply. occasionally im bit dumb

[flint stream]

diplodocus and apatosaurus cuz they have accurate and current neck reconstruction.

[flint stream]

wait @hallow spear pardor to you is it actually right ?

[hallow spear]

Diplo is fine apato is too retro

[pallid dock]

wasn't old apato neck more accurate than current btw

[hallow spear]

yes by far

[outer tusk]

So why was it changed again 😭

[hallow spear]

I have no clue 😔

[outer tusk]

Okay just to recap wirh Tisnato it's know from a smaller speicmen and a larger specimen that is about 7t?

[flint stream]

so apato neck was retro ?

[velvet burrow]

How do they estimate a dinosaur's speed?

Not cursoriality, i know that one has to do with leg bones proportion, but i mean numbers

[flint stream]

the legs ?

[outer tusk]

Current PE Apato neck is in a posture similar to more retro Apato neck

Than the other one

[flint stream]

like from WDRA ?

[outer tusk]

yes

[hallow spear]

6

[velvet burrow]

And i'm curious if they did that with an elasmarian (yes, those guys again, today i'm in elasmarian mood) like Talenkauen or Macrogryphosaurus

[outer tusk]

6t for the larger specimen and 3.8t for the speicmen used in P.E right?

[hallow spear]

Formula from Larramendi

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[hallow spear]

It’s 6.3t but that’s close enough

[flint stream]

so which one is the most accurate apatosaurus neck

[hallow spear]

3(bottom one) and 6

[flint stream]

i was thought abt this neck of the apatosaurus from ingame pe was accurate but its no

[velvet burrow]

Now, i'm intrigued if those guys occupied similar niches to the ornithomimids in the northern hemisphere

[outer tusk]

how about these

[hallow spear]

All fine

[silver canopy]

https://youtu.be/cg7cl1y49rs?si=MyBELLiZ4RXjkig1

What do y'all think of this video?
(Also wow apparently a new dino in carnos formation already?)

[hallow spear]

I personally prefer the one by Spinoinwonderland, it just itches my brain

[flint stream]

i mean the game used A. Louisae

[hallow spear]

2/3 are louisae

[flint stream]

yes ofc but which neck are the most accurate stand for the current paleontology ? the 3rd image

[outer tusk]

well duh both am talking about apatosaurus in game it doesn't matter what speices 😭

[silver canopy]

I must say the models are beautiful atleast

[outer tusk]

it's been known, but it hasn;t been named yet until now

[hallow spear]

All of them are fine? I said that

[silver canopy]

Carnos formation gets two new dinos (described / named) within six-seven months of each other?

Dang.. maybe carno can actually get more appearances in a good documentary

[flint stream]

last time we have titanomachyna and now new abelisaurid ? wait i have the paper hang on
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cla.12583

[outer tusk]

it's not new it was just named

[flint stream]

nvm i thought it was

[silver canopy]

please.. please give us a good carno documentary

[outer tusk]

WE'RE SO CLOSE TO HAVE NON INDETERMINE DINOSAURS!!!

[hallow spear]

Amargastegos from Le amarga formation intensifies

[flint stream]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7PUdGrOXqh/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
duhh i still remember how cope elasmosaurus reconstruction was

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[silver canopy]

But seriously this is some pretty good animation, I also ADORE the sound design

They sound intimidating, but it's not just a typical roar, it's almost more like an.. angry chuff?

[sharp canyon]

When you think about it that recon was somewhat remiscent of some Ichthyosaurs

[flint stream]

back when the animal was discover right

[pallid dock]

Because of a voting

[hallow spear]

There was no point to the vote

[silver canopy]

I'll be honest, if I didn't know better I would have said the old depiction made more sense

[outer tusk]

imagine for Somphospondyli we get a dreadnoughtus size animal for no reason lmao

[sharp canyon]

No there's ichthyosaurs that actually had a body plan like that, don't remember any of their names

[flint stream]

its more like marine iguanas

[outer tusk]

the only known theropods from a formation of 2 large sauropods

[sharp canyon]

This guy

[flint stream]

one is orkoraptor right ?

[outer tusk]

yes

[silver canopy]

Oh my gawd

I love him very much

His name is golbo

[flint stream]

also Q: when exactly the megaraptorids take over the southern hepmesphere ? time period. i know its after carcharodontosaurid extinct

[outer tusk]

idk

[sharp canyon]

I can't for the life of me remember its scientific name

[silver canopy]

Okey quick question, what do y'all think of Kaimeres megaraptorians

[velvet burrow]

Yeah apparently they're part of a project to retrieve carno's frens

[final gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-no-gif-21006129

my sole left my body wen i sow this gif.

[exotic quest]

please tell me it's fake

[lavish frigate]

I think they cool. Although kaimere has quite weird ecology lol

[serene moat]

How big is it tho, smaller than rex?

[bright veldt]

Same size

[serene moat]

oh lol

[lavish frigate]

Has it been thoroughly seen to have differences substantial enough to differentiate it from standard Tyrannosaurus rex individual variation?

Because Tyrannosaurus rex is a very individually different species

[idle storm]

It's distinguished by a number of features that don't seem to be in anything else referred to T. rex. Additionally it's been discussed for some time that the holotype may represent something slightly different than rex.

Time will tell if future teams recover the same thing, or if evidence is found to the contrary, but for now it seems to be solidly different.

[lavish frigate]

All I want. All I need. All I need….is Tyrannosaurus bataar. Please universe? For my birthday maybe? Mayhaps Christmas? Flag day? Anything. I just need ma awesome broness of multi continental tyrannosaurus.

[wind garnet]

Thank you so much!

[tough parcel]

Don't worry guys, I used my crystal orb to tell me T. mcraensis will stay valid

On the bright side, Alberto is lumped into Gorgo, but Gorgo remains the genus name

[lavish frigate]

This is so weird to me. Modern large birds don’t take nearly that long to become fully adult. and if I’m not mistaken doesn’t tyrannosaurus also have a similar growth rate? Maturing at around the time a human would legally be an adult.

[lavish frigate]

First part: 👎

Last part: 👍

#. tyrannosaurus bataar supreme

#. GORGOSAURUS SARCOPHAGUS

[woeful falcon]

No

[tough parcel]

We should make the rule of cool real in paleontology

[lavish frigate]

Tyrannosaurus is already benefiting from it. Without it its name would sound like a big temnospondyl

[tough parcel]

Lol true

[woeful falcon]

At the chance of a new species there would be an opportunity to name it something even cooler than Gorgosaurus sarcophagus

[lavish frigate]

Say one thing cooler.

[woeful falcon]

Planet destroying dreadful lizard

Go even harder and more ridiculous than other tyrannosaurs

[lavish frigate]

This is not in it’s scientific form so it means nothing

Can’t be cooler if it’s not in a dead language form

[woeful falcon]

Whatever the greek or latin or combination words for those would be

[warped peak]

waiting for Megaraptors to get lumped into Megalosauria

[outer tusk]

It would make more sense for them to be lumped in neovenatoridae if anything

[warped peak]

yes but that'd be less funny

[lavish frigate]

Steel folding chair. Cranium. Bonk.

They look. So freaking. Ugly when. They are. Reconstructed as. Anything that. Isn’t a. Tyrannosauroid.

[velvet burrow]

Waiting for megaraptorans for be classified as very late surviving basal sauropodomorphs

[half epoch]

Looking on David peters's website Reptile Evolution because apparently he reconstructed Giganotosaurus

Can someone tell me why it looks mostly normal compared to his other reconstructions???

Something's off with it, the Giga looks far too thin

[lucid ibex]

I can’t look at Dreadnoughtus without hearing the music now

[woeful falcon]

The reason is because its not actually Peters's recon. It's Dan Folkes's. The one on the right on the other hand is Franoys's

[lucid ibex]

Peters is actually so hilarious. I once read some of the pterosaur heresies and even in writing he’s so bitter and rambly. He’s like the conspiracy theorist of the paleo world

[woeful falcon]

And the reason it looks pretty different between Frans and Folkes's might come down to Meraxes. When Fran did his skeletal, it came at an unfortunate timing in regards to Meraxes's description, so it didn't use any Meraxes material. With the differences in the skull at least, I would say that Franoys's recon resembles Carcharodontosaurus a bit. At least, that's my opinion on it.

Then Meraxes comes along, and you get a reconstruction like Dan's

That, coupled with a pretty poor description as I understand it, makes for some notably different takes

I'm most curious about the dip near the hip tho. Or rather the lack thereof in Fran's. Even the rigorous skeletal doesn't have a notable dip as seen in Dan's

[hallow spear]

It’s based on Tyrannotitan and meraxes I’d assume

There are no actual images of the the sacrum of giga

I also don’t actually think k there are any issues with frans recon, @stiff osprey are there?

[woeful falcon]

Oh yeah, I hope I didn't insinuate that there were issues. I would have no clue if there were any lmao.

[half epoch]

Ok phew

[crude latch]

Here’s David peters recon /j

[lucid ibex]

[final gulch]

is fake don't worry

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, he's pretty much just Graham Hancock but with paleontology rather than anthropology

[lucid ibex]

History Channel at 3AM palaeontologist edition

[ancient crystal]

Next thing we know David Peters will get a Netflix special dedicated to fighting against the establishment and big paleo

[lucid ibex]

BIG PALEO STOOOPPP GHFNYNUMH

[ancient crystal]

It will be called "Prehistoric Apocalypse" and a bunch of TikTokers will use it as their sole source of information for their AI generated clickbait videos

[hushed fossil]

https://x.com/BigBlindo279/status/1793307023473271075?t=mLFzCWL0OnuyRfNeYHa6gw&s=33

James Tarleton (@BigBlindo279) on X

Mistakes were made

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 3:44 PM

Cry

[last iron]

The carnivorous edmontosaurus claims another victim

[tough parcel]

Why would it bite when it's very clearly within stomping range

[ancient crystal]

Could large hardosaurs even rear up to stomp in the first place?

[tough parcel]

Yea?

No clue as to why they couldn't/wouldn't

[ancient crystal]

Idk, that was a stupid question lol

[gloomy violet]

I love path of titans

[pulsar galleon]

Tbf biting would still be rather painful

[gloomy violet]

How much health does kelenken have again

[scarlet moon]

5

[light osprey]

The Edmontosaurus was feeling hungry that day

Needed a protein supplement so it brutalised the young tyrannosaur

[iron halo]

Bad edmonto player I think. You can tell because it’s an evil kos juvy killer

[native kindle]

evil kos juvi killers when the juvis are the ones that kill things (they are not peaceful little baby birds)

[pliant shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-with-hair-gif-13635424712873915642

my bird after i kill a juvi Lol

[gloomy violet]

Ban Edmonton players from the game

[lavish frigate]

Same thing with the Rex destroyer shant. Ecosystem fr.

[hallow spear]

@marsh tapir cull this person from existence for OFFTOPIC

[lavish frigate]

It isn’t off topic it’s a joke about hadrosaurs

Are jokes considered off topic now

[hallow spear]

Yes, I’m not joking

[lavish frigate]

If that is off topic then every silly joke about dinosaurs in this channel should be considered as such

[flint stream]

blud has made the biggest mistake. hadrosaurus power has rise

[steady rock]

how does everyone feel about the "stellar sea cow" rediscovery? personally, i dont get how the host of discovery plus and animal planet is trying to convice people this is real, it looks hella fake ToT

[compact leaf]

I mean I’ve seen pictures of marine mammals that look like that quality, but you can’t use that as evidence lol

like the pictures may be real but it doesn’t really tell us much, and certainly doesn’t prove anything

[steady rock]

he also said they appeared in greenland, and like, i dont think they lived anywhere near there

[compact leaf]

yeah they were a bering strait thing

[steady rock]

oh thats a place...

[tough parcel]

This could be any sort of mildly-large dark marine mammal 😭

[steady rock]

i thought it was rocks

[tough parcel]

Oh I thought they were moving because it's a video(?)

[steady rock]

oh i didnt watch the video, i just got the pictures

[tough parcel]

Oh lol

[bright veldt]

Nonsense. The thylacine is one thing. Stellar's Sea Cows had a very restrictive range, most likely already were on their way out by the time humans found them, and they are literal whale-sized tubs of lard that float on the surface. They cannot hide, and we've known exactly where to look for them for centuries. Gallante's throwing nonsense at the wall hoping people forget all his wrongdoings.

[steady rock]

whats his wrong doings

[bright veldt]

On his series "Extinct or Alive" most of his "discoveries" come down to stealing credit from local scientists or straight up frabricating said rediscovery (Zanzibar Leopard), along with several nonsensical publicity stunts involving the thylacine where he censors those that question him.

[steady rock]

update, he stole it from a another video

[steady rock]

oh, well i guess he did it again

[bright veldt]

West Greenland? How could they have gotten there? There's thousands of miles of barren ocean and sea ice between their natural range and there.

[tough parcel]

They were just really determined

[steady rock]

so the morale of the story is just dont believe anything gallante says about extinct life?

[bright veldt]

Basically yes

[steady rock]

i wonder why it was stellar sea cows of all creatures

[steady rock]

i found the original video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXqRvdbvkvE

[lavish frigate]

It was part of their couch to 5k program. Very determined young fellows

Oh wait forgot i wasn’t allowed to make jokes in this chat fr fr

[steady rock]

this seems like actually one the most impossible creature to convice people that have been rediscovered

[flint stream]

is this the same thing we have in the thylacine case ?

[lavish frigate]

I believe in the possibility of thylacine rediscovery. Heck. I believe Sasquatch is actually somewhat plausible as an animal from research I’ve done on that topic. But stellars sea cow is just crazy talk. Similar to how we know that Mesozoic marine reptiles no longer persist today because 1: common sense. And 2: they’d have to come up for air (and a variety of other reasons be that dietary survival oriented or social)

[flint stream]

but anyway thylacine is at the level of cryptids nr mythicals how the animal appeare and reappeare from the deads and several sightings and shots

[warped peak]

Sea cows couldn't even fully submerge, let alone hide underwater

[elfin pulsar]

That’s so lame, never heard of this dude but that’s just uncool

[bright veldt]

Yeah they literally can't dive. When I said they were whale-sized tubs of lard floating on the ocean I wasn't kidding.

[lavish frigate]

That makes it even more hilarious to suggest extant individuals lol

[bright veldt]

It's one of the most conspicuous marine mammals that ever existed.

[warped peak]

Rex sized behemoths with big tusks

[lavish frigate]

Bring back one individual stellar sea cow just for me to poke and make fun of

[steady rock]

stellar sea cows had tusks?

[warped peak]

All sirenians do

I wish I was but I'm not making this up

[lavish frigate]

Manatees are so disgustingly elephant like and I love them

[warped peak]

Desmostylian insert

Best marine mammals

[steady rock]

people who believe thylacines are fully extinct, explain to me why

[bright veldt]

We're very good at killing things, they've been firmly extinct on Mainland Australia before modern science was even aware of its existance, and the latest studies on the thylacine suggest that it is firmly extinct in Tasmania, even if later than originally thought.

[steady rock]

if you had to give a percentage of it still existing, what would you give it? maybe 5%?

[bright veldt]

Something like that yeah. The one place there's still a chance is New Guinea.

[stray wren]

Honestly I'd say lower than 5%, maybe 2, if I'm generous

[lavish frigate]

Do I think it’s possible that thylacine still persist in some places? Yes. Definitely a possibility. Do I think they do? Probably not. We’re pretty good at making things unalive. Even in New Guinea they could very well have been out competed by the singing dogs

[stray wren]

Combined with the amount of amateurs that have set up multitudes of trail cams over many square miles of terrain we would've found something

[warped peak]

Of the many extinct famous animals, I think it's the most reasonable one to still possibly be alive somewhere

[native kindle]

which carnivorous theropods categorize the early cretaceous

[warped peak]

Depends on the locale

I'd say Spinosaurids and Carcharodonts are good representatives

[native kindle]

overall, as in the groups not specific genera (but those could be cool too)

[lucid ibex]

Please….Please…Kaua’i Ō’ō hopium…Please…Please…

[scenic flame]

by toxicmidget

[outer tusk]

Don't forget the other 3

[true urchin]

giga is huge

[steady rock]

Yall think this how the dinosaurs reacted to the meteor?

[lavish frigate]

I mean if they were close enough it’d probably be less looking up confused and making lil noises and more melting or burning

[crude latch]

Dude that meteor genuinely looked so alien

[cosmic fox]

nuh uh

[tough parcel]

I love how after they look up and see it, the darker one does a little happy tail wag 😭 they were hoping this would be the one that would restore their power

[lavish frigate]

They were hoping it’d strike the Yucatan Peninsula again but this time it’d wipe out most of the inferior mammals.

Serina world of birds? More like EARTH world of birds -the hopefull goose

[serene moat]

No titanovenator 😔

[ancient knoll]

tell it to get described and named quicker, then ill add it

[bright veldt]

Speaking my language here

[ancient knoll]

my chart rules are
A) No unstable gluposhit that jumps between 100 clades in a week (unless its siats because megaraptoran siats is dumb af)
B) No unnamed gluposhit
C) No undescribed stuff

[sullen cairn]

tbf 33% of abelisaurs are unstable glupshittos it’s just nobody cares because of how utterly unremarkable they are

[ancient knoll]

those 33% should not have been named (cough cough thanos)
But alas they were, so they passed my criteria

[bright veldt]

You could also argue that if basically the entire clade is unstable then it kinda stops mattering.

[ancient knoll]

Here are the cringe versions of the charts, for the 'MUH BIG THEROPOD' people

aka @tough parcel 🥱

[sullen cairn]

urc my beloved

[ancient knoll]

URC R 44, "titanovenator" and the french megalosaurine premaxilla

[stiff osprey]

i never thought i'd see a chart where URC outsizes titanovenator

[ancient knoll]

hey you're the one who gave me the urc silhouette

[stiff osprey]

yeah but mine is like exactly titanovenator sized

i guess it looks bigger because it is neutral posed and cartilagified while titano is not

[sullen cairn]

urc pipe bomb guy and its consequences

can someone slide that silhouette too cause i'm tired of reverse editing it out of some random chart in koi

[ancient knoll]

ah thats probably why then. It could also be that I undersized titano, since the skeletal res on it is dogpoop (I used this from falcon for it)

[stiff osprey]

why he got a little hump over the hip

[ancient knoll]

the meraxification is spreading

[serene moat]

He thick that's why duhh

[stiff osprey]

i made this, cartilage may be a bit excessive on this one but i don't care

[sullen cairn]

in hindsight i'm not sure why i didn't start with this but i meant urc silhouette

although now i am halfway towards reversing editing it out of said chart so is doesn't matter much

[stiff osprey]

oh that's just my pycno with an abelisaurus skull

[sullen cairn]

yeah the two look a lot more same-sizey with the titano repose

[light osprey]

Betasuchus is adorable

[lavish frigate]

This just hit me. Could non avian dinosaurs see glass?

[stiff osprey]

Most animals can't, so probably not

Even humans aren't born knowing that the slightly less transparent air is actually a solid object

[nocturne merlin]

any evidence for ankylosaurini tooth shapes?

[lavish frigate]

I can validate. Just found out myself in fact

[worn nacelle]

ik about glass and ill still walk into it

[serene moat]

This is titano next to who

[outer tusk]

URC R 44

[tough parcel]

Wtf cyberbullying isn't allowed, this is truly the size chart moment of all time

[serene moat]

What animal is the urc r 44?

[outer tusk]

Abelisaurid

[ancient knoll]

unnamed abelisaurid

[regal cloak]

Reminder of how big maip was

[crude latch]

Pretty small

[ancient knoll]

Reminder that it wasn’t actually as big as it is in that pic

[river plinth]

How small were they?

[wanton mural]

Anyone know if non avian theropods could've drooled akin to Komodo dragons? Or is this just an adaptation specific to it only?

I'm trying to find some sources on it, apparently they do it to aid in removing rotten chunks of flesh from their mouth

[river plinth]

Since they had libs yeah could be possible but the whole venom thing idk about that

[tough parcel]

A couple other monitor lizards, but a lot of other lizards don’t so I would have to assume it might be something with how their gums and teeth interact. The gums usually hide the teeth (hence the toothless look) and when they bite, the teeth cut out of the gums to bite the prey

[outer tusk]

This is way too big in the first person

[dreamy relic]

The one in the left is NOT an Emausaurus

[pliant cedar]

Anyone have any papers on Yangchuanosaurus

[lucid ibex]

YANGCHUANOSAURUS MENTIONED

[prime plank]

Genuine question: why aren't different races of people considered subspecies of each other. I don't now much about how subspecies work so it might be a dumb question but I've always been curious about it

[outer tusk]

Ngl probably a good thing personally that different races aren't considered "subspecies"

Because are definition of subspecies is also sketchy already

[tough parcel]

Think we did that in like the 1700-1800s (around there), did not turn out well for non-white people

[outer tusk]

For obvious reasons

Again idk why we would need to classify races as "subspecies" 😭 like wtf this isn't POT

[tough parcel]

Also because we really don't share enough genetic differences that would give a solid support for it (But the ethics is equally important, if not a bit more)

[prime plank]

K thanks

[outer tusk]

Also ngl even without the historical or social context of it

It just sounds dumb as HECK

Forgot if you can say cuss words here

[prime plank]

I think you get muted for swearing

[outer tusk]

No it just don't send the message

[prime plank]

Oh

Boring

[light osprey]

There is very little genetic distinction between “races” essentially a farcical concept

[scenic flame]

Humans also have relatively poor genetic diversity ever since we almost went extinct a few tens of thousands of years ago

The Habsburgs didn't help with that

[velvet burrow]

So uh, Mapusaurus is the latest carcharodontosaurid in SA right?

[bright veldt]

All of humanity are much closer to each other genetically than any subspecies are. Also, what if I told you that the concept of race doesn’t legit exist and is purely a product of colonialism and racism? Nationality and ethnicity exists but race doesn’t.

[velvet burrow]

Ok so, there's evidence of carcharodontosaurids in SA in the early turonian and carcharodontosaurids as a whole disappeared in the late turonian right?

[bright veldt]

Generally yeah. Carnosauria as a whole disappeared around that time, not just carchars.

[velvet burrow]

And it is talked about a niche gap left when that happened, especially in SA. What i wanted to ask is, what occupied said niche?

[bright veldt]

Megaraptorans and abelisaurs were already dominant predators in SA prior to the extinction of Carcharodontosaurs, so they sort of just kept doing their thing.

[velvet burrow]

In other parts of the world you see one specific clade (tyrannosaurids) as the big guys, i don't see very consistent stuff said about it in SA

[velvet burrow]

Understandable

[stiff osprey]

Northern SA tends to have abelisaurids as the apex predators after carnosaur extinction, as does Africa

Southern South America and Australia has megaraptorans

[prime plank]

Ah ok so subspecies would be guys like Neanderthals and denisovans or would they be different species?

[compact leaf]

depends on who you ask, denisovans and neanderthals are currently considered separate species but some classify them as subspecies

[prime plank]

Thanks

[sharp canyon]

I just randomly remembered a documentary that has a scene where a griffinfly snatches a Diplocaulus or something and flies around with it, anyone know the name of the documentary?

[bright veldt]

I think you might be thinking of walking with monsters. A giant spider is dragging a lizard it killed across the forest when a Meganeura grabs it out of the spiders grasp and flies off with it.

[swift zinc]

i just had a thought, is there any farming type of games that utilizes prehistoric creatures? I don't know much about paleo pines, I know ark is capable of it, and in the fossils and archaeology mod in minecraft you can shear a mammoth. However, it leads to an interesting and very silly question, what features on prehistoric creatures would we farm for? like keeping a velociraptor to have it's feathers or a dimetrodon to have it's sail lmao

just a silly question to think about because prehistoric creatures have a lot of unique features that aren't often seen in the animals we have today

[sharp canyon]

That's probably it

[keen monolith]

Mm dinosaur eggs 🤤

[swift zinc]

thats another example, but there's also the possibilities of dinosaur feathers, the antlers of prehistoric deer (some deer species are in farms for their antlers along with their meat), etc.

[tame tapir]

I bet dino eggs were creamy rich

[cosmic fox]

paleo pines?

[swift zinc]

it seemed like a dinosaur farming game

[snow python]

Is 6m and 400kg austroraptor still up to date?

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226476069128110080/463492730979483648/Resultsaustro.png?ex=6651d17e&is=66507ffe&hm=be4eac03b2f66211be19e5e4d1416c1b2c23e264ecdc5b3200c8b26c89c2fe88&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[snow python]

And lenght?

[outer tusk]

look at the top left it gives you the total length

[swift zinc]

hmmmm do you guys think the amount of time a creature has lasted multiplied by the amount of continents it lived in is a good way to determine how successful a creature was?

or is the amount of time a creature lasted the only factor necessary?

[snow python]

So without counting the Bissekty Giant, Austroraptor is the longest and Utahraptor is the most massive

[outer tusk]

idk why WOULD you count Bissekty Giant

[bright veldt]

I love my toe bone that tells me so much about an animal

[snow python]

What is Ulughbegsaurus after all an allosaurid or a dromaeosaurid?

[outer tusk]

nothing because it's literally a singular bone

don't bother trying to get anything out of it

[bright veldt]

Dubious so who cares

[hallow spear]

Wraith trying not to use the must glubshitto taxa

[outer tusk]

ONG

[heady thunder]

Be free, dont use any taxa, just make the dinos up.

[arctic crane]

So tarbosaurus and alioramus are the two largest confirmed predators in the Nemegt Formation. With smaller predators like some kind of dromaeosaur. So tarbo is the big game apex predator. Alio the swift small to medium predator and juvi tarbos plays the middle between them.

The dynamic would be similar to modern Asian big cats then right? Tarbo = tiger alio = leopard and raptor = dhole or maybe a small cat species if they were nocturnal

[sullen cairn]

Tarbo and alioramus diverge enough in size and gross morphology that two congeneric cats might be an iffy comparison

[bright veldt]

They’re drastically different weight classes. Tarbo’s over 5x alio’s size.

[sudden wind]

2nd largest would be adult Raptorex

[arctic crane]

Just as a general vibe I mean. Mesozoic niches never neatly apply to modern ones. Especially with how big and how common megafauna was.

[arctic crane]

Is raptorrex valid?

[sudden wind]

✨ fossil record bias ✨

Small animals tend to fossilize worse than larger ones, so we automatically have a bias when it comes to fauna composition. Still, there likely were less niches open during the mesozoic due to various conditions, but we still know that dinosaurs were very diverse even at the end.

[bright marsh]

Thank you for that, I will treasure this fact.

[bright veldt]

Maybe? Probably? It’s been doubted for the longest time but apparently Carr says it’s actually got distinct traits from juvenile tarbosaurus. This is pretty significant considering Carr’s one of the biggest supporters of nanotyrannus not being legitimate on the planet.

[sullen cairn]

Carr considers it valid and carr doesn’t even consider tarbosaurus distinct so prolly

[pulsar galleon]

There’s also Paralligator

[somber nebula]

You’ve committed a great sin 💀

[arctic crane]

We have small beasties from nemect. But nothing in modern Asian compares to the amount megafauna. In modern Asia there's what elephants, rinos, ox. Nemect had therizino, deino, hadrosaurs and sauropods plus others. And then it had smaller creatures too little mammles and dinos. It's not a great comparison to modern Asia I know

[arctic crane]

Oh, I didn't know that. So how many different tyrannos where in the nemect formation then? 3 to 4

[sullen cairn]

Something like that depending on if you accept both alio species
There’s also bagaraatan but iirc that’s just indet rn

[arctic crane]

Oh right two alios, tarbo, raptorrex, bagaraatan. This place was as bad as the morrison with how many large theropods there are lol

[sullen cairn]

Bagaraatan may or may not be a preexisting taxon

[arctic crane]

That's not even taking into account the large herbivores theropods and all the smaller ones

[honest wave]

Screaming and crying at the Subaru dealership as I try to determine what the least dubious basal theropod below neotheropoda is

If anyone can lend me a hand, please do lol

[heady thunder]

Trex

[warped peak]

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article-abstract/doi/10.1130/B37077.1/629495/New-biogeochemical-insights-into-Mesozoic

What was the opinion on this paper?

Herbivore biased Latenivenatrix via isotope analysis

[wind prairie]

wait fr?

I thought raptorex was like, completely thrown aside like nanotyrannus

just how different is it though

[wind prairie]

also, isn't latenivenatrix invalid now anyways?

[light osprey]

Don’t think anyone here has the know how to refute isotopic signatures in Dinosaur enamel. So yes, Troodontids are quite herbivorous

[warped peak]

It is, but the paper assesses multiple Troodontids

[bright veldt]

NA troodontids are generalist omnivores.

[warped peak]

Not according to the isotope analysis!

[bright veldt]

? It says mixed-feeding to plant-dominant omnivores. The latter means generalist.

[warped peak]

True, but that also makes it more herbivore than carnivore which is all that I care for

People have been calling me crazy for quoting this paper for so long, and I finally found it again

[warped peak]

(I'm also used to Generalist being used as Carnivore that eats plants, apologies if I'm incorrect on that)

[inland silo]

Would basilo had lips covering its teeth or would they been jutting out? Ive seen art of both, i personally like the exposed teeth look

[bright veldt]

It's a whale. It has lips.

[swift iron]

Thought they verified nanotyranus?

[opal latch]

Dawg I just saw the new study about the trex it could potentially use tools, and just saying it’s the best dinosaur, it solos anything, it is the actual king, outside of humans we are actually the best trex 2nd greatest life form to ever exist, I won’t stop glazing the Rex until it gets a massive nerf

[bright veldt]

No. The paper was bogus.

[swift iron]

Documentary too?

Damm. It was a cool concept though

[bright veldt]

That paper was written by a neurologist who doesn't actually know their dinosaurs. The paper is based on neural density which, while not exactly an awful indicator of intelligence, doesn't tell the whole story either. Baboons have their intelligence due to complex social systems, not just the brain. For perspective, giraffes have a higher neural count than both of them but they aren't exactly doing the brainiest things most of the time.

[opal latch]

Ok, the rex is still my favorite tho

What’s the most improbable thing a paleontologist could potentially discover on a expedition

[tough parcel]

What does this mean

[lavish frigate]

I saw the link in a comment replying to this as “geocentric world”

[prime plank]

Fun fact: the camel actually didn't originate in Antarctica but actually originated in North America (North East of New Zealand)

[flat pond]

What are the current size estimates for Rapetosaurus?

[west coral]

lufeng

[prime plank]

Are hybrids that can breed like pizzly bears considered their own species? If not why not?

[bright veldt]

Being a species would mean at minimum being your own genetically distinct and self-sustaining population. Grolar Bears are not that.

[tough parcel]

What he just posted is a juvenile animal (I don't know why he thought it was a relevant chart), I'll try and get an adult size

Obviously proportions might've changed as it grew, but best we have rn

[flat pond]

Ah thank you.

[hallow spear]

there arnt adult specimens though

[tough parcel]

There are

[hallow spear]

where

[stiff osprey]

the 167 cm femur in question

[hallow spear]

is that rapeto? 😭

[tough parcel]

There we go

[stiff osprey]

Oh it was actually 143 cm
UA 9998

[outer tusk]

What are the smallest species of deinosuchus?

[sullen cairn]

why does everyone think the only rapeto is brick's skeletal

this is like brick edmontosaurus syndrome but marginally less bad

[bright veldt]

The smaller of the two species is D. schwimmeri. I think they only get to like 8 meters or so?

I double checked. Largest D. schwimmeri specimen is 7 meters long. Significantly smaller than the bigger one lol.

[hallow spear]

i dont think that i just didnt think there were any adult specimens :(

[outer tusk]

Okay cause I needed idk for a skin concept am doing

[tough parcel]

Because that's the only one publicly available/widely available

[pulsar galleon]

Does anyone have “Paläontologie und Phylogenie der Nideren Tetrapoden”?

Need page 131, there’s a giant ichthyosaur centrum referenced and I’m wondering if it has the locality or formation listed

(Please ping if you’re going to respond)

[light osprey]

The mighty 14 metre Bull Edmontosaurus

[hallow spear]

@stiff osprey is that femur even reffered to rapeto or is it just assumed to be an adult of it

[sullen cairn]

rapetosaurus has diagnostic femoral characters and it's repeatedly referenced as rapetosaurus so i'd assume so

okay well a femur character but still

although i'm not sure how far "strongly constricted at
mid-diaphysis, gracile" will get you in terms of comparative analysis but meh

[light osprey]

The Vahiny…

[sullen cairn]

isn't vahiny just like a braincase

[light osprey]

Well now we can’t discount the lump…

[sullen cairn]

too bad rapetosaurus doesn't have like a braincase it was compared to or something

[manic nest]

i just realised, but why is ceratosaurous so proportionally inaccurate in game?

[tough parcel]

Iirc it's an old model from when Jiggy eyeballed the references instead of going over them, but that might just be a rumor

[manic nest]

ah i see

dont get me wrong i love our little mini cerato lol, but this question has just been bugging me everytime i play now lol

[tough parcel]

It looks nice, but I getcha

[heady thunder]

Even the new remodel?

[tough parcel]

New remodel didn't really change the proportions tho

[tropic citrus]

Cerato’s the right size in game.

[heady thunder]

Yeah I guess, the neck and posture seems to be the biggest change, the head seems a bit bigger, but that might just the neck.

[tough parcel]

They don't mean size, they mean proportions

[white matrix]

anyone got a good recon of scorpiovenator?

[white matrix]

thank

[lavish frigate]

What’s the most accurate design yall can think of from primeval even though none are really that accurate

[tough parcel]

Accurate? Really nothing

Hottest? Gorgonopsid, raptor, and future predator

[lavish frigate]

Objection. The dodos are fine

[tough parcel]

Hmmm

Nuh uh

[lavish frigate]

Objection. It’s fine

[tough parcel]

Oh wow, that's better than I remembered ngl

Alright I'll concede on that

[lavish frigate]

Their smilodon is atrocious though

[light osprey]

Those eyes…

[lavish frigate]

Windows to the soul. But with that size more like doors 💀

[sweet field]

Columbian manny

[lavish frigate]

Love that guy. They somehow found out a way to shrink wrap an elephant lol

[outer tusk]

https://youtu.be/nDRY0CmcYNU?si=9kOvHRy8rtho-MOV didn't know I would aomsot cry to a dinosaur song

[river plinth]

Hold up Is this true?! 0_o

[outer tusk]

No it's not 😭

[west coral]

If you use a large camptosaurus specimen and a small allosaurus specimen, then yeah

[sullen cairn]

”Sauropod”
look inside
theropod

[somber nebula]

What even is this from?
I'd assume weight comparisons to contemporary animals (except "Sauropod") but even then it's entirely wrong. Allosaurus's smallest adult weight estimates still put it well above some the largest recorded weights of bulls, same goes with Plateosaurus (though that could be any large prosauropod, but most still out-weighed bulls).

I just now noticed Trump, Obama, and Biden
I retract my previous statement, this is entirely correct.

[west coral]

Using UNSM 4374 for allo and SMM P.84.15.5 for campto gives you this beauty

[tough parcel]

Boop

[west coral]

beat you to it falcon

[flint stream]

so the first time i knew camptosaurus they are small but compare to human they are big and taller and heavier than tenonto

[tough parcel]

I included more

[flint stream]

scanova, stego, kuintara, table not to be forgotten actually 😉
and lil bit extra me bc i also submitting this chat

[tough parcel]

Huh??

None of you posted a size chart 😭

[flint stream]

the most people who often in here

[tough parcel]

Pug and I are 🤝

[west coral]

I do sometimes, do not forget the random doodoofart formations I make

[flint stream]

cool

[light osprey]

Always appreciated

[flint stream]

oh speaking off what animal or fauna that exist indonesia. btw its outdated bc im doing paleonusantara. but i can trust y'all.

i did added megacyon, pachycrocuta. and i heard there's globiden speciment that found on timor ? is that right

well here

welp time to add this guy to the list.

Q (if anyone read this message): is there an evidence of icthyosauridae that came from indonesia ?

[west coral]

maybe some indet bugger but other than that no idea

[flint stream]

i heard its temnodontosaurid

[flint stream]

im gonna read this paper before august approach

[river plinth]

Some video of the ai presidents doing a tier list for dinosaur survivability sorapod Category ment they had little to no real problems

[crude latch]

💀

[tough parcel]

Ngl AI videos of presidents gaming is peak comedy

[flint stream]

link ?

[tough parcel]

There's one with PoT, but idk if it's on YT

[river plinth]

Yeah they started arguing on how campto vs allosaurus and barok showed that so I came here for answers 💀😂

[tough parcel]

W

[scenic flame]

I think more than anything this illistrates the stupidly robust legs of campto

[halcyon cobalt]

proof that campto jumped down cliffs onto unsuspecting vegetables?

[river plinth]

Some say it was the ultimate veggivore