paleontology

[sullen cairn]

bumping this

[plucky lark]

Dromaeosaurs weren’t pack hunters, and I stand by that

[elfin dragon]

shant took over the niche of large sauropods while edmont had alamosaurus

[ocean drum]

Aren’t MOR 1142 and MOR 1609 speculated to be 18 tons and 15.3 meters iirc those are the largest Edmont specimens found which clearly don’t support a 60 ton edmont

[bright veldt]

Megaraptorans are coelurosaurs. Exactly where is debated. I say within tyrannosauroidea. There is some evidence of dromaeosaur social behavior but not a lot. Tyrannosaurs got way more for example.

[tough parcel]

Tell me why because I believe it to be false

[frosty anvil]

Hello Paleo chat, I'm experimenting with a new art style and so far I am loving it. Any anatomy tips for my Latenvenatrix fellow before I continue? (Redlining is perfectly a-ok!)

[sullen cairn]

alamosaurus was only in southern laramidia and shangt lived with titanosaurs

[tough parcel]

The ankle joint is way too high, there's no femur and tibia/fibia whatever

[plucky lark]

There’s just no reason to believe it, lots of evidence points toward feeding frenzy behaviors like sharks perhaps

[frosty anvil]

Oooh true, I'll have to adjust that

[elfin dragon]

they had been extinct in asia for millions of years what are you on

[compact leaf]

there’s not really direct evidence of that either, it’s just as speculative as pack hunting

[tough parcel]

Such as? Also I despise this slowmode, why do we need 45 seconds

[sullen cairn]

source

[frosty anvil]

Feel free to redline stuff for this btw! So if you want to redline what the leg should look like, hit me with it!

[plucky lark]

Got a fair point there, agree to disagree until more evidence is brought up

[ocean drum]

Or just loose gangs

[plucky lark]

I like the idea of that

[frosty anvil]

I personally think that dromeosaurids probably organized more in loose gangs than actually structured groups

[elfin dragon]

istg if thats from wiki

[zinc solstice]

Could Spinosaurus support it's weight on land and could it even swim? And If it couldn't go on land how would it go to shore to lay eggs? Did it even lay eggs?

[sullen cairn]

its from Mo et al. 2017

[elfin dragon]

also what time did it live?

[sullen cairn]

campanian

[plucky lark]

I’m more for a primarily aquatic spino, just seems right to me. And if we’re going to bring up knuckle walking at some point I’d just like to put it out there that I think it’s ridiculous imo

[tacit pine]

Is knuckle walking that bad?

[elfin dragon]

yes its horrid

[tacit pine]

Well, idk I kinda find it cool but ig it would not make sense

[plucky lark]

I just think it’d be silly, there’s no way it could support it’s weight like that, especially with the fin like tail discoveries from 2020

[sullen cairn]

see same place as shant

[elfin dragon]

also i think spino being more of a wader rather than a full on swimmer is more likely however it probably had good swimming capabilities

[tacit pine]

Yeah I can see it not being able to support the weight

[plucky lark]

I think that’s a fair interpretation

[ocean drum]

Especially interpretations that make it’s wrists pronated

[outer tusk]

what are we talking about

[elfin dragon]

dont get me started.....

[sullen cairn]

pretty picture for reference

ngl this is actually pretty raw

[tough parcel]

I think I made the tail too thin, but this is the general thing

[zinc solstice]

Could microraptor fly or just glide?

[frosty anvil]

Noted. Thank you so much for your assistance! I will get back to cooking. Again, thank you for your contributions to the recipe.

[sullen cairn]

fly

[elfin dragon]

as far as we know most likely

[elfin dragon]

i think it was more like mobbing rather than frenzies

[sullen cairn]

mmm semantics

[tough parcel]

Well let's think for a moment:

• Deinonychus death bed which, of course, can be interpreted as both camps
• Velociraptor hearing frequency being closer to social birds such as budgies
• The Deinonychus paper is not in favor of any sort of social behavior because crocodiles have parental care, but their young eat different foods from the adults. It only disproves altricial young

[elfin dragon]

coordinated packs are very unlikely

[outer tusk]

that's literally what they're saying

[frosty anvil]

I don't think I'm getting the leg quite right, think you can get the og redline screenshot again but not slanted?

[elfin dragon]

gual told us to think so i thought

[sullen cairn]

i love deinonychus sociality discussions almost as much as i love spinosaurus ecology and allosauroid mass discussions

[outer tusk]

I don't think literally

[plucky lark]

Yeah that’s fair

[tough parcel]

Allosauroid mass discussions

We all know it's only Saurophaganax 😭

[sullen cairn]

don't you mean the indominus of the jurassic

[plucky lark]

I’m all for the validity of saurophaganax

[tough parcel]

I slanted it because that's the raptor neutral pose (Assuming that's what you had wanted)

[outer tusk]

god I hate that vide so fricking much

[tough parcel]

The MIGHTY and REGAL Saurophaganax, killer of kaiju...

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1194789965809324205/1226656361656619179/Screenshot_2024-01-25_151007.jpg?ex=66258fc2&is=66131ac2&hm=04b651e5c91a4a650ecfd9e9bf054745323d84cff724e2018024e5cec385ab06&=&format=webp we all know it;s yangchuanosuarus!

[sullen cairn]

that better not be camps theropod

[outer tusk]

no it's yangchuanosaurus, I think scaled at 12m

[tough parcel]

I think they mean the rex

[sullen cairn]

guh

[frosty anvil]

Ohhh I see

[outer tusk]

I think am done with these linear but I was wondering should I add more lines to the body or no?

[tough parcel]

Imo you're fine, just remove the finger lines

[ocean drum]

Is the spinosaur there perhaps sigilmassasaurus or oxalaia?

[outer tusk]

No it's a actually megalodonsaurus

[sullen cairn]

prolly v4047 or nhmuk or pezophapssolitaria's wretched other dentary fragment

[outer tusk]

Any particular reason or is it just unnecessary detailing? Also what do you think of the colors

[tough parcel]

Unnecessary, there's nothing to cause them

Colors are (imo) too vibrant but idk, up to you

[frosty anvil]

Starting to look better now! Thank you so much!
(Dont worry I'm gonna fluff him up a lot more)

[outer tusk]

Are they? I know the blue is for sure but the red?

[tough parcel]

Oh I mainly meant the Das, mb + the pattern is throwing me cause of how solid it is but iirc, it's an issue with your program?

[frosty anvil]

Actually wait is my posing wrong here?

[outer tusk]

Maybe, though I use soft brush for the pattern of both Daspleto ( red ) and Labocania ( Blue )

[plucky lark]

Thoughts on tyrannosaurus feathering? Basic question Ik but it’s controversial and I love hearing different takes on it

[frosty anvil]

I say the chicks were fully feathered but the adults not nearly so

[zinc solstice]

Maybe Only tiny peachfuzz like feathers barely visible to the naked eye type feathers I think tiny like elephant hair you can barely see it for the adults

[plucky lark]

I like those takes. I think chicks were probably fully feathered too, but adults imo were most certainly not. Also, nanotyrannus valid or juvie rex?

[zinc solstice]

Nano is most likely invalid the paper saying it was valid has been debunked many times from what I've heard

[outer tusk]

juvi rex

[plucky lark]

Ah i getcha. I knew it was mostly agreed upon that it was invalid but more recently I’ve heard some talk of that being turned over again, idk where tho lol my brains not braining

[sullen cairn]

that'd be from this paper by longrich and saitta https://www.mdpi.com/2813-6284/2/1/1
however nobody likes longrich (among other things)

[plucky lark]

Kk thanks for the link, I appreciate it

[flint stream]

josch

[flint stream]

indeed you are. we only knowing saurophaganax alat. lol saurop still better than allo 😏

[sullen cairn]

me when im in a having the worst nicknames fathomable competition and my opponent is saurophaganax

[tough parcel]

I like Longrich cause everyone has a rabies-induced seizure every time he posts a paper and it's so nice to just sit back and enjoy the tea

[sharp canyon]

I am once again asking if anyone has any visual stuff for Microsuchus

[lucid ibex]

Thanks :)

[uneven path]

Where is a good place to start for finding accurate dietary/skeletal/living environment of an extinct animal? Old books, new papers, are documentaries a decent source?

[outer tusk]

Images on the internet

[tiny holly]

when it comes to things like what sort of environment they lived in, your usual safe bet is finding what formation/deposit they're known from, then see if you can find information about the climate and ecology of that formation at that time. This doesn't work with everything though because sometimes we find fossils that don't seem to belong to the strata they were found in

for example if its from the djadochta formation (eg velociraptor) then it was a somewhat deserty semi-arid environment with seasonal bodies of water. Meanwhile if its from the morrison formation (eg allosaurus) then it would have been a dry however still plant-covered environment dominated by conifers, cycads, ferns and horsetails, interspersed with river floodplains.

also probably worth noting that formations are like... big. Crossing multiple states big. They frequently contained multiple different ecosystems that overlapped. So if you're wanting to be super accurate it can be good to pay attention to where an organism was found in that formation and what that implies. If its only found in the area of a formation that was one heavily forested rather than more open, for example.

[stray saddle]

Sorry, I just want to inform, this is ABSOLUTELY terrible.

Inaccurate.

[native kindle]

that is indeed the point i believe

[vast sedge]

What are yalls thoughts on Irritator challengeri's funky "pelican jaw"?

[flint stream]

i was thinking about the pelican jaw splitting on spinosauridae would work but idk if that was true or noneless i think there's paper about jaw splitting on spinosauridae irritator i guess

[tiny holly]

it wouldnt be like the jaw split a lot of people are thinking of, but instead more like the middle of the jaw bows out for a wider catchment area. Pelicans are the extreme of that because they have incredibly weird bills, but you see this in birds like cormorants too.

boobies are probably another good example. freaks.

[vast sedge]

yea

[bronze storm]

What would marine reptile taste like

[halcyon cobalt]

go taste one

[tiny holly]

I've eaten (saltwater) croc before and the best way to describe it is like fishy chicken. very tasty. I honestly imagine a lot of them would be pretty similar

[sharp canyon]

Go eat a sea krait raw, in the ocean, right now

[halcyon cobalt]

go eat a marine reptile

[tiny holly]

i mean ive heard snakes taste kind of chickeny so i bet kraits taste great

[bronze storm]

I’d like one mosasaurus fillet

[tame tapir]

I can attest to the saltwater croc,…. Tough fishy chicken,…..

[lucid ibex]

I can also attest to saltwater croc tasing like leathery, fish-chicken

anywho, is this an accurate skeletal for Achillobator?

[nocturne merlin]

decent who’s it made by

[lucid ibex]

Not sure lemme find out for ya

[nocturne merlin]

this also would work

[lucid ibex]

Image ain’t showing up for me

(Wouldn’t it be so funny if I gave the Achi kākāpō colours? >:3 )

Also i’m sorry I couldn’t find who made the skeletal I’ll try again

[nocturne merlin]

kea better

[lucid ibex]

Nuh uh >:)

[nocturne merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-blocks-gif-10244582

[tame tapir]

What are the odds of struthi being able to hold things with its arms?

[nocturne merlin]

small things probably but like nothing more than a cat

[heady thunder]

The muscles probably could hold more, but its going to have grip issues

[tough parcel]

I suggest the one Para sent, idk who made yours

[lucid ibex]

Yeah that’s the one I’m going with

[tough parcel]

[lucid ibex]

Gualicho always knows best

[scenic flame]

no, use this

[vast sedge]

skull shape too thin

[lucid ibex]

CRI

[lucid ibex]

First time doin’ an Achi so be nice to me lol

I know that there was a study to see which dromaeosaurs could raise their arms above their heads(?) iirc correctly but I’m not sure if Achi was included in that, either way I consider that bit to be more of a creative liberty as i’m gonna be drawing some armour on this boi anyway, and I’m really struggling with the other foot so feel free to scribble your corrections over the top of my sketch if you want to.

[tame tapir]

Pretty good for a 1st attempt

[lucid ibex]

N’awww thanks :)

[bleak rose]

What a beauty. The black dot eye makes it look more cute than menacing, but still pretty good

[lucid ibex]

The eye will be more akin to a bearded vulture once complete but thank you! :D

[light osprey]

We’ve only got a partial maxilla, there’s some amount degree of leeway there

[woeful falcon]

Thin one resembles a deinonychus skull

[light osprey]

Pretty sure it is a Deinonychus skull

[vast sedge]

compared to its close relatives such as utahraptor and dakotaraptor they generally have "boxier" skulls than smaller dromaeosauridae (from what I've seen)

[vast sedge]

the scleral ring is also too big relative to the skull

[outer tusk]

it's not

[sudden wind]

Ah yes, the semi arid coastal Dromaeosaur with a tropical rainforest herbivorous bird plumage.

[light osprey]

I dunno if you could call anywhere in the New Zealand islands tropical

[sudden wind]

there are at least rainforests. some are more or less tropical or temperate.

[stray saddle]

Yea sure, 24 presacral vertebra por an avetheropod, must be one of the worst reconstructions I've ever seen, absolute terrible, even in the most basic thing. 😊

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167214131284279386/1227004167067926669/mmmmman.png?ex=6626d3ae&is=66145eae&hm=afae9cb96cae172a4551d1fb68d462773e563dafb98d84de2365d2b4e63a80dd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=417

camp's theropod is real chat

[halcyon cobalt]

what happened

[stray saddle]

I was referring to the supposed saurophaganax skeleton. ; )

And Yangchuanosaurus magnus reconstruction is from dan folkes, that himself calculated the length along the centra in 10.5m as every reliable estimate. ;

[outer tusk]

The yangchuanosaurus is camp's theropod

[silk lodge]

can i add mods to my singleplayer?

[bright veldt]

Wrong channel

[stray saddle]

Your last image is just dans reconstructions oversized, including shangyouensis holotype that is subadult and is just isometrically scaled there, which it's pretty inaccurate....

The shangyouensis holo is over 11m along the centra, not even magnus was that big, and absolutely not with those long legs of a subadult.

Camps theropod could perfectly be a sauropod..

It would be only the 100th time that a supergiant Asian theropod turns to be a sauropod.....

[outer tusk]

camp theropod is literally scaled using yangchuanosaurus

[sullen cairn]

you are so real for this

[stray saddle]

Camp theropod is a quimera, crocodilian teeths, Szechuanosaurus teeths and most probably sauropod bones.
The femur fragment is not diagnostic.
You are isometrically scaling subadults 🙄.
And the axis aswell could belong to a sauropod..

[stray saddle]

Ive learn from one friend of mine.. that you might know.. hehe.

[outer tusk]

ok

[heady thunder]

Cmon, we all know that scaling using sub adults and dubious material is always accurate, right?

[stray saddle]

Exactly! Hehe 🥴

[tough parcel]

The mighty Cope

[sullen cairn]

cope is still miles better than camps theropod

[heady thunder]

From what I remember, Copes material is confirmed to be a rex, and its not made up of random parts from whatever other animals

[sullen cairn]

camps theropod is like cope if cope was just 1/6th of a femur and was part of dakotaraptor's hypodigm and if sue had a 1.1m femur measurement

[native kindle]

i need to know the lore behind this abomination

[sullen cairn]

It’s a large femoral fragment that’s like 1.3m scaling with yangchuanosaurus

Problem being yangchuanosaurus femoral measurements vary from like 0.9m-1.2m which screws estimates between like 5-11t and it’s a really really crummy femoral fragment

[stiff osprey]

it's crazy that within a few hours i saw people claiming camp is a theropod with a 180 cm femur and people claiming camp is a sauropod with a femur half that length

[sullen cairn]

the only good thing about camp's theropod is it gave me an excuse to make a yangchuanosaurus edit with carrano's femur length which i kinda vibe with

[stiff osprey]

Holy [censorship]...

Big sinraptor

[outer tusk]

agreed

[native kindle]

he looks really funny

[sullen cairn]

okay but this is like unironically an aesthetic

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro that Big??

[outer tusk]

because it scaled at 11.5m anf 15m though I think this one uses 11.5m as it's showes the holotype yangchuano on the left

[native kindle]

camps theropod goes hard

[mossy anchor]

anyone got the most up to date allosaurus skeletal? thanks :)

[mossy anchor]

that is perfect, thank you :D

[rapid idol]

Can the path of titans Hatzegopteryx be considered accurate at all ?

[outer tusk]

hell no

[woeful falcon]

For the most part I believe. A couple, particularly noticeable things but it's far from the most egregiously inaccurate creature

[tough parcel]

^ It's also an animal known from like 4 bones, so the interpretation can be varied a little

[rapid idol]

Ahh I see. I really like the proportions and wingspan of it ingame, so I was curious

[woeful falcon]

The neck is the problem zone to my understanding, bendy bendy

[rapid idol]

Oh right azhdarchid necks are a lot stiffer right ?

[tough parcel]

Btw here's what I'm talking about

And of those fragments, only these are definitively Hatzegopteryx (they're the holotype)

[rapid idol]

So sad that azhdarchid remains shatter like glass. Are there other Hatzegopteryx remains aside from the holotype ?

[tough parcel]

The ones are circled are the only definitive ones, everything else is referred afaik (Which means yea, it's probably Hatz, but since there's no overlap, it's kinda hard to prove that)

[sullen cairn]

i'm becoming increasingly torn over yang's femur because on one hand 120cm makes actual sense relative to literally any other metriacanthosaurid and looks nicer but also 120cm only appears in one mid 2000s publication and is contradicted by the description's measurements

in regards to camp's theropod alternatively you can chug the shanxi torvosaurus pill and have yourself a 6.5t megalosaurid in shaximiao

[patent cairn]

Is it true that spinosaurus is now not the largest terrestrial carnivore ever?

[woeful falcon]

Largest? Nope. Longest? Mayhaps

[patent cairn]

So what was the largest and heaviest ?

[woeful falcon]

Tyrannosaurus rex

[patent cairn]

Oh so scientists debunked giga and spino?

[woeful falcon]

I'd say spino falls pretty short of being the largest and wasn't much in the running compared to the large carcharodontosaurs. Gigas seemingly rivaled rexes in size, but its comparing 2 giga specimens to a lot of rex specimens

[patent cairn]

So apparently the largest spino found was known to be 14 tons in there theory is it still true or has that been debunked aswell?

[woeful falcon]

Where did you see that

[patent cairn]

On some paleo websites on google but I think there outdated

[woeful falcon]

Yeah I wouldn't go off google results for something like this. The largest known rexes are in the 10-10.5ton range. The largest giga is also in that range

[stray saddle]

That's one of the best Allosaurus reconstructions but AFAIK both specimens there are undersized, mainly the silhouette but the skelatal too in some degree.

But I'm not an expert, I know one

[halcyon cobalt]

anyone have a dorsal view for monquirasaurus ( or any large pliosaur like it )?

[lucid ibex]

Slight update, beefed up the head as per recommendation and did the other foot, though, it feels a bit off, feel free to scribble whatever corrections over the top or just tell me.

[outer tusk]

how are they undersized?

[nocturne merlin]

hi, here to ask if wuerhosaurus’s plates were pentagonal or more rectangular or circular, I’ve seen a lot of differing interpretations and information about it, thanks for the help :)

[stray saddle]

Wait, I will ask my friend about it to have the best answer.

[tough parcel]

The small rectangle/circle plates are due to people seeing the (broken) plates and going "Hm yes, this is complete"

[pliant cedar]

its complete to me 😔

[nocturne merlin]

right so a more pointed edge similar to an onion or pentagon like it’s relatives would be fine (large I mean not like little circles, rather similar to stegosaurus’s)

[stray saddle]

Most DINO 2560 reconstructions are based on Madsens 76 monograph, which is a composite of various specimens, for example none of the cervicals there are from 2560. I can tell by the size of cervical central in that reconstruction that are in fact based on the composite, both are undersized compared to real 2560 cervicals, that are on average 110% bigger. The measurements are:
Axis-93mm
C3-113mm
C5-120mm
C6-127mm
C7-135mm
C8-132mm
C9-145mm
The sacrum in the reconstruction is ~560mm while the real measurement is 590mm.
The ilium is ~725mm when the real 2560 is 785mm.
The total length along the centra of 2560 is 8,45-8,5m. Scott Hartman used in his reconstruction the real bone measurements, that matched 100% with, except for the humerus that it's a little oversized. SH skeletal is around 8,5-8,6 along the centra. On the other hand randomdinos reconstruction is superior in correctly depicting A. fragilis with 9 cervicals and 14 dorsals, instead of 10-13 combination in SH.

10th presacral in allosaurus is in fact the first dorsal, contrary to 10th presacral in Yangchuanosaurus and Sinraptor which still is a cervical. This can be seen by the position of parapophyses that have already started to migrate from the ventralmost position of the C9 to end at the neural arch by D5, and diapophyses morphology and position, being horizontal, and those of D2 (presacral 11) being horizontal but already pointing dorsally. The sequence is 1 position ahead of vertebra series of Yangchuanosaurus, Sinraptor and Acrocanthosaurus. It is also clearly seen in the 10th presacral rib of articulated specimens, which shows a much more dorsal morphology than cervical morphology, where the capitulum is bigger than the tuberculum, contrary to being a cervical.

[cloud badger]

Ok so about the topic of recreating a modern meganora how should we proceed

[stray saddle]

As for the silhouette of 680, is severely undersized, 680 is on average 115 to 118% bigger in every bone compared to 2560, for a TL ~9,7m
680/2560in mm
Femur: 1008/860
Tibia: 856/745
Fibula: 740/660
Ilium: 900/785
The only bone that is under 115% is the ischium but worth noting that 2560 has a proportionally big pubis and ischium for its total body length, for example they are longer than AMNH 666 and 5753, both being bigger individuals than 2560. Compared to 666 and 5753, 680 ischium points again to 9,6m. Compared to AMNH 290 that is ~9,5-9,6 in TL, 680 match or exceeded every bone measurement, with the exception of metatarsals, but none of 680 are complete. MTII is 340mm as preserved, lacking its proximal end, when complete it should be around 370-380mm, close to 375mm of 290. MTIII is only 380mm but it was in 2 pieces that were put together, the broken surface of both parts doesn't fit each other, implying part of the bone was lost.

[stray saddle]

A direct comparison with complete MTIII of other individuals shows that 680 ones is in fact too shortly reconstructed, when reconstructed in more average shape it yield an est. size of ~420mm, near 431mm of 290. MTIV is the most complete one, is 345mm, lacking a little portion of the proximal end, when complete it should be max 350mm, not far from 360mm of 290. When compared to other specimens like 4734 or 8367 similar results are obtained (9,6-9,8m). The 7th dorsal centrum of 680 is 120mm, USNM 4734 (~7,45m) has a D7 of 81mm, is around 150% bigger, 8367 (~7,9-8m) D7 is 80mm.
D6 680/4734/8367 in mm
113/74/85.
In summary, 680 is 9,7m in TL, it is by far the most reliable and most obtained estimation using multiple bones and specimens.
One last note, DINO 2560 is a subadult, USNM 4734 is juvenile-subadult, USNM 8367 is subadult and AMNH 680 is the oldest specimen where a histology study was performed, and it was only 22 years old, still actively growing.

[stray saddle]

If lasted longer it would have easily exceed 10m, like some allosaurus individuals that exceed 10m but haven't been histologically studied yet.

And this is all courtesy of a friend of mine that I've known for decades. Thank you all for reading. ☆

[pliant cedar]

unless you consider saurophaganax to be a species of allo

[stray saddle]

Did you read everything?

[pliant cedar]

ye

[stray saddle]

What do you even mean? Besides, you answered super fast. Is literally like you only read the smallest message among all, haha.

[pliant cedar]

as in some people consider saurophaganax as a species of allosaurus, so that would change the average size of the genus
cause it was like 12-13 metres i think?

[tough parcel]

@stiff osprey Idk what numbers are and it's your skeletal so

[cloud badger]

Hey guys should we start a project to breed giant bugs

[tough parcel]

No

[pliant cedar]

no

[cloud badger]

C'mon it would be fun

[nocturne merlin]

no

[stray saddle]

@sullen cairn You might like this.

[cloud badger]

I was thinking of doing it with meal worms that would greatly benefit your pet guecko
I promise I wont do it with cockroach until I figure out if it works well

[nocturne merlin]

how would a gecko be able to eat a mealworm that’s the size of the actual lizard, just go buy a superworm instead

[warped peak]

Great chat about paleontology

[cloud badger]

I was thinking of just the size of a super worm due to how hard it is to breed super worms (by hard I mean that I have to separate them and that's annoying)
And u also wanted to test the theory of giant bugs in higher oxygen content like before

[nocturne merlin]

no

[cloud badger]

You sure your not interested

Ok how about domesticated lions

[stray saddle]

Hi ☆. I think you might find this interesting my friend: You may found this interesting https://xabierotxoaimaginethepast.wordpress.com/ one of the post tales about maximus affinities and size estimations bone by bone

I HIGHLY recommend it. 😊

[pliant cedar]

Thx :d

[tough parcel]

Who wrote this?

[hallow spear]

Random said himself that it is iirc

[tough parcel]

Cool, but that doesn't address the critique

[hallow spear]

the critique is that some scaling is wrong, and he is right and like i said random said it himself. That seems to be it

[tough parcel]

What, that is the shallowest response I've ever seen

I would like to see specific responses to the specific critique so I can better understand what is wrong and right, not just "Well, it's kinda wrong"

[hallow spear]

Its vague not shallow because i was looking for specifics to continue the reply as i didnt want to say things im not too sure of without confirmation

[tough parcel]

Different word, same meaning

If you don't know the answer, don't say anything and wait for the person who made the skeletal to respond as I had pinged them, saves all of us time, no?

[hallow spear]

Random is extremely busy and you wanted to know specifics

[tough parcel]

But no specifics were given by you

[spark delta]

Have we found a skull of a Maip yet? I can't find any pictures unfortunately
Haven't been up to date with dinosaur stuff as of late

[hallow spear]

because like i said IM GETTING IT.. but you keep pointlessly talking about whatever you're picking an issue with this time

[tough parcel]

A) You can just stop responding and show me that you're getting it
B) You could've just attached the evidence with your original post so it's cleared up instantly, no?

[light oxide]

As far as I know, we haven't found a Maip skull yet.

[real swan]

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[hallow spear]

Also they dont mean the same thing

And i cannot find the messages so just wait for random

[spark delta]

Aw man, doing a project for school and am trying to find pictures of maip skeletons so thats pretty unfortunate. Might have to pick something different to use for the project 😢

[tough parcel]

I am waiting for your evidence, not the definition of words

Oh, so we're doing what I had originally been trying to do

[hallow spear]

Evidence forr?? The person already provided a source and evidence no?

[light oxide]

If you want, I can see if I can find a Megaraptoran that is more complete in terms of skeletal findings for you.

[tough parcel]

For...random's side? I would like to know the response to said critique of his skeletal as that would help me form a better understanding of what is wrong and right

[spark delta]

Oh, that would be great!

[hallow spear]

Just some measurements which effect the scaling of the animal in general, anything more specific has already been stated by that other person
And he has responded to it before, thats what i was looking for

[tough parcel]

From the exact same person to the exact same critique?

[hallow spear]

No for the first part, and yes for the latter

[tough parcel]

Anyways, since you haven't said anything of substance and help, I'm gonna wait for random and stop responding to you

[sullen cairn]

Oh boy I sure do wonder what wacky and silly antics are occurring in beloved paleo chat-

[light oxide]

Okay, a bit of an issue—

From what I'm finding, none of the Megaraptoran we have discovered have been found with complete skulls — just fragments of them.

However, I did find an image that tries to correlate all the bones found for the standard Megaraptoran body plan:

[hallow spear]

@tough parcel FOund it, There may also be a comment thread on randoms twitter post of his Allosaurus
Ill send the message link in a sec
#1073582960705548358 message

thank you @sullen cairn i really thought i was going insane lmao

[spark delta]

Aw man, thanks dude!
Appreciate the help!

The person I'm partnered with doesn't even know what a megaraptor is

[tough parcel]

Apologies for the burying, but Maip isn't exactly the best in terms of fossil evidence + combined with megaraptorans being already fragmentary/poorly studied means no really good ref

[hallow spear]

There are also ways(Relative dependant / scaling) that maips size fluctuates a lot so its probably best to go with a different Megaraptoran

[spark delta]

Yall are probably right, I'm just try to be different from other people in the class doing the more known dinosaur like tyrannosaurus or velociraptor

[tough parcel]

Nah you're valid

This slowmode is gonna give me a heart attack, I'll ask in a sec

[spark delta]

I could probably just do utahraptor since no one has claimed that one yet, it's a dinosaur I know fairly well anyways

[heady thunder]

Torosaurus

[tough parcel]

Ok, so what is this project and is there a specific list you need to pick from (I assume not, but just to be cautious)

[spark delta]

Not really, we just gotta do a presentation about a specific dinosaur of our choice
The teacher does have a list we can pick from but also gave us the option of picking a dinosaur not on the list

It's not a super serious project but it has to do with dinosaurs and I wanna go all out on this project because of my love for them

[ancient crystal]

Does the genus have to be valid?

[nocturne merlin]

don’t you dare suggest the tooth holotype menace

[tough parcel]

Yes because using an invalid one is bad

But how do you feel on Gorgosaurus?

[spark delta]

Not one I'm completely familiar with tbh, let me look into for a sec

Interesting, I think I could do that one fairly easily

[tough parcel]

👍

[spark delta]

[tough parcel]

I need that dancing thing

[spark delta]

Not entirely sure what it even is lol

[sharp canyon]

A Nessie plush from Apex: Legends

[spark delta]

Wow, I would have literally never guessed that lol

[woeful falcon]

Gorgosaurus is the best dinosaur

Done, that's the presentation. All that needs to be said really

[fossil ingot]

Peak Dino

[real swan]

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[outer tusk]

what

[fossil ingot]

Huh

[native kindle]

hey friends, how fast would Deinocheirus have been compared to other Theropods in its size bracket? (with numbers, if possible)

[outer tusk]

33kmh

[crude latch]

Times 100

[marsh tapir]

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[tough parcel]

Oh mb mb

[marsh tapir]

Don't worry

[novel atlas]

https://twitter.com/ddinodan/status/1777754642069545235?t=_qzZjYZgk--0G9uou-tSeg&s=19

pantydraco (@ddinodan) on X

rude awakening

#paleo #paleoart #science #sciart #dinosaur #slayleoart

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 5:45 PM

[dense tiger]

What do you guys think of The Lore Accurate Spinosaurus

[lavish frigate]

My boi spinofaarus is over hated 😔

[tough parcel]

No he isn't

[austere fulcrum]

Seems paleo accurate to me

[noble dune]

My beloved

[lavish frigate]

He kinda is though…..I get it’s a bit overused but as a concept and art piece it’s actually quite funny

[tough parcel]

It's not

[lavish frigate]

I’ve been destroyed 😔

[shy axle]

I think its hilarious

[woeful falcon]

I think it's ran its course

[sullen cairn]

man

[cold cedar]

Hadrosaurs get bigger than that

[halcyon cobalt]

those poor tyrannosaurs don’t know the ed is in musth

[sullen cairn]

man 2

[lucid ibex]

THE EDS.

THEY’RE MULTIPLYING

[heady thunder]

All that blue fodder

[halcyon cobalt]

wdym

hadrosaurs were very aggressive and commonly ate meat, and were very dangerous and also giant. A kick from an edmontosaurus could easily kill even the largest tyrannosaurs. and they were very territorial and could’ve 1 shot T rex

[sullen cairn]

real

much like how the notoriously belligerent wildebeest is renowned for its ability to gore and trample large male lions

[halcyon cobalt]

💯

[scenic flame]

https://twitter.com/joaothelegend/status/1777822921932538172

JM (@joaothelegend) on X

Taking a walk post storm

#paleoart

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 10:16 PM

https://twitter.com/XtinctDesign/status/1777465424361443578/photo/1

XtinctDesign (@XtinctDesign) on X

A little more progress, I'm pleased with how it's looking so far

Twitter · Apr 8, 2024, 10:35 PM

[heady thunder]

Is that a growing casmo or smth or does it just have small horns?

[scenic flame]

it's utahceratops

chasmo has similarly short horns for most species anyway

[heady thunder]

They made a utahceratops too?
Now we need a Utahsaurus tyranosaur

[scenic flame]

https://vxtwitter.com/JoschuaKnuppe/status/1181742855380963328
https://fxtwitter.com/Tomozaurus/status/1180975704084635648

[sharp canyon]

Ok I need something cleared up for me

In specific names that end with two i's is it pronounced "ee" or "ee-aye"? I've heard both pronunciations but which one is correct. An example would be Mosasaurus hoffmanii

[river plinth]

This

[white matrix]

anime delayed slash attack

[native kindle]

🤫

[wispy summit]

Atleast 2

[lucid ibex]

After the KpG extinction event spelt the end for Muttaburrasaurus’ music career, he fell on hard times and is now an unfortunate victim of hollywood stardom gone too far

[last iron]

@elfin pulsar the silly
Credit to Dewlap as the og artist

[elfin pulsar]

Scary

[sharp canyon]

.

[last iron]

They are believed to have hunted small terrestrial prey, which includes dinosaurs, so I can see it being a good semi aquatic

Like how Cerato is a low mid tier, I can see Koola being a low mid tier too, while sarco is the average mid tier semi aquatic

[sharp canyon]

Hey look the lake monster from Resident Evil 4

[bronze storm]

What is this

[last iron]

Koolasuchus

[sharp canyon]

But no seriously I really want an answer to my inquiry

[last iron]

I believe it depends on the personal preference but for M. hoffmanii I say ee, it really doesn’t matter though

[warped peak]

Shame Koola is only midsized in terms of larger temnospondyls

[spare knot]

I have a question for my Paleonuts here

Can someone divide the base game roster into time periods and or formations? Like which ones wouldve lived with eachother

[elfin pulsar]

I think the original roster is all jurassic, could be wrong

Wait no, isnt sucho Cretaceous

[sharp canyon]

A majority of the roster is Cretaceous

[light osprey]

And I think just barely a majority of that is Campanian

And most of those Campanian fellas being Kirtlandian (?)

[sullen cairn]

off my head
Dinosaur Park - Stenonychosaurus, Lambeosaurus, Styracosaurus, Anodontosaurus, Daspletosaurus, Struthiomimus
Oldman - Daspletosaurus, Albertaceratops
Hell Creek and co - Tyrannosaurus, Pachycephalosaurus
Nemegt - Alioramus, Deinocheirus, Barsboldia
Elrhaz - Sarcosuchus, Suchomimus
Morrison - Ceratosaurus, Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Camptosaurus

[light osprey]

Forgot the one horseshoe canyon taxon

[sharp canyon]

Meg is the weirdest member of the roster in terms of time

[light osprey]

Nvmd DP and Oldman are Judithian

[sullen cairn]

unfortunately eotrike has zero friends besides like cf. albertosaurus teeth

[light osprey]

Albertosaurus lancensis….

[sharp canyon]

If we include critters Platy is another weird one

[nocturne merlin]

Cachoeira do Bom Jardim Formation for pycno

[sullen cairn]

there's also ceratosaurus and miragaia in lourinha

[spare knot]

Imma try: [pls correct me]

Suchomimus, Concavenator, Deinonychus, Sarcosuchus, Thalassodromeus, Microraptor
Amargasaurus, Iguanodon```
```Late Cretaceous:
Alioramus, Achillobator, Daspletosaurus, Hatzegopteryx, Kaiwhekea, 'Latenivenatrix', Spinosaurus, Tylosaurus
Anodontosaurus, Pycnonemosaurus, Tyrannosaurus Rex
Albertaceratops, Anodontosaurus, Barsboldia, Deinocheirus, Eotriceratops, Lambeosaurus, Pachycephalosaurus, Struthiomimus, Styracosaurus```
```Early Jurassic:
Eurhinosaurus```
```Late Jurassic:
Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Metricanthosaurus, Rhamphorhynchus, Leedsichthys
Camptosaurus, Kentrosaurus, Stegosaurus, Miragaia```
```Pleistocene:
Megalania```

[nocturne merlin]

i thought mirigaia was from britain

[sullen cairn]

portugal

[sharp canyon]

I believe Didel, Saniwa and Gonio are all Hell Creek

[nocturne merlin]

nvm dacentrurus is the english one

[spare knot]

megalania and Eurhino are so lonely

what prehistoric creatures from the early jurassic and or pleistocene would y'all wanna see brought to the base roster

[nocturne merlin]

scelidosaurus

[spare knot]

SUPREMACY

[last iron]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195667118301046

Image from that study

[kindred night]

https://twitter.com/TyrantLzrdQueen/status/1778111910312919127?t=besrRnaBFIparr4m5j-QPw&s=19

Amelia R. Zietlow 🦎 (@TyrantLzrdQueen) on X

The Carthage Institute of Paleontology is facing an existential threat: funding for our preparator ends THIS JULY & we need to find an alternative to save the program & its fossils.

PLEASE SHARE WIDELY.

Our goal is to reach someone with the resources to help.

Twitter · Apr 10, 2024, 5:24 PM

[sullen cairn]

scale everything to SIW's skeletal
include young/early adults
average adult edmontosaurus annectens is <4t

[light osprey]

Based….

[white matrix]

tyrannosaurus crusher...

[pliant cedar]

i like beak more, and i think it makes more sense considering the ancestor of both ceratopsians and pachycephalosaurs probably had a beaked mouth

[nocturne merlin]

anybody got anything on the roundness of ankylosaurini specifically euoplocephalus. i mean like are they more flat top curved underbelly or more rectangular

[compact leaf]

from Mallon et al. 2018

it might have a front view but it gives an idea of the roundness on the bottom, either way not terribly flat on bottom

[nocturne merlin]

ive got a front view so thats alr but thanks a thousand

[mossy hawk]

for a second i thought this was a study on if they could float or sink

[indigo grove]

they shrunk Livy????

[clever sable]

Yes, it's now anywhere from 12.5 to 14 meters instead of the 16 meters it used to be (which imo 16 meters was always a kinda ridiculous estimate)

[outer tusk]

it's always been like that also where did you find this one?

[indigo grove]

looked up "Livy shrunk" lol

[tough parcel]

There wasn't much talk about it in the first place

[indigo grove]

yeah, last time i checked our whale here was only discovered recently, so we dont know anything about it

[tough parcel]

I-

It's 2010????

[barren lagoon]

What formation has the most fossils discovered and how many?

[compact leaf]

like most species or most fossils in general?

[barren lagoon]

Both of possible

[compact leaf]

fossils in general it probably goes to the morrison, enough that I couldn't give you an exact number

[barren lagoon]

Species?

[topaz shell]

I’m not sure but was there a time frame where gorgosaurus and pachyrhino met?

[bright veldt]

I'd just like the exact references for how livy got shrunk. I'm getting mixed signals on what references gave what estimates.

[stiff osprey]

they do if you scale it off Physeter using head width, which is a dumb method

[meager spindle]

Been hearing a lot of people keep saying Quetzalcoatlus was the largest pterosaur, yet they ignore the stocky-island-murder-fruit loop that outweighs it entirely.

[outer tusk]

It didn't

Aldo this image sure sell the idea its meant to be larger alright

[white matrix]

Hatzegotperyx was stockier and heavier yeah, but not taller iirc

[outer tusk]

Hatz is just stockier, but Quetz is taller

Overall again they must as well be equal in mass though

[scenic flame]

it's hard to truely say which is larger current due to how fragmentary both are

[white matrix]

Doesn't Lawsoni have more material attributed to it than Northropi ?

[scenic flame]

yeah, though looking at the difference between both species' humeri in the above image, northropi may be more robust/ differently proportioned that lawsoni, but we deff have a better understanding of quetz that hatze due to that

[junior dawn]

well yeah, lawsoni was much smaller

[outer tusk]

Hey guys, look am just wondering is a Yellowstone hyperpredator possible because I heard this mei dude talk to me about how Vividen & Apexzious are making a paper in it

[scenic flame]

the what

[nocturne merlin]

big sperm whale basically

[outer tusk]

This

[stiff osprey]

Yellowstone does not have cenozoic marine deposits

[nocturne merlin]

idk man all i could find tbh

[bronze storm]

Could dinosaurs taste

Like if you gave some string bean to a regaliceratops would it taste like how we taste string bean or would it taste like a delicious 5 course meal for the fellow ceratopsian

[stiff osprey]

it is impossible for it to have a sperm whale of any size, let alone bigger than megalodon as these people are saying

[stiff osprey]

i mean, their natural food probably tasted good to them
but taste is processed by the brain, so an animal which has a radically different brain anatomy would taste things differently from us

[halcyon cobalt]

land whale...

[bronze storm]

I wonder

[outer tusk]

Pretty much, he adds that megalodon and swiss tyrant is fragmentary but Yellowstone hyper predator is from good remains but it has a weird history according to Mei

[plain stirrup]

was the western interior seaway close to hell creek, and could the two ecosystems have interacted in any way

[light osprey]

The hell creek was deposited along the coast of the western interior seaway

[bright veldt]

^ We have a mosasaur from the formation cause of it (Dubbed “Mosasaurus sp.” but tmk could also easily be Prognathodon or something)

[lunar finch]

Is anyone working on a Stegouros mod? I feel like that'd be a really fun model to make and a great addition to the roster
Also, i looked at the page of the formation where Stegouros was found and I found this gem among the fossil contents:

'a frog'

[outer tusk]

I want it to be Prognathodon so badly

[lucid ibex]

Prognathodon more like POGnathodon

[flat pond]

How big was Angulomastacator?

[bright veldt]

12 meters, 9.5 tons

[flat pond]

Ah thanks

Kind of figured it was a big hadrosaur from what I remember hearing

[outer tusk]

4t

[outer tusk]

Table said Fadneo's size estimate was oversized

[flat pond]

Ah, interesting

[outer tusk]

It should be more in line to P. wakeri which is 4 t

[sullen cairn]

mighty olaf skull

[outer tusk]

Man, I love taxonomy

[west coral]

EVIL table DOWNSIZES angulomastacator to MINISCULE sizes

[heady thunder]

If thats miniscule, its over for all of us.

[plain stirrup]

anyone know where i can find the paleobiota of the western interior seaway

[light osprey]

It’s probably either a Calyptocephalellid or a Pipid

[sweet field]

fet

[white matrix]

no way wtf is "Eiectus"

[bright veldt]

Proposed new name for Kronosaurus that basically everybody universally discarded as soon as the paper released.

[white matrix]

yeah, so is it no longer official

[sweet field]

eieio

[limpid glen]

whats does the spino look like now?

[cold cedar]

Can't wait for a Spinosaurus update

[crude latch]

Wings

[cold cedar]

Watch it just be a large heron

[west drum]

Why can’t we just have individualism

[tough parcel]

I think people are overexaggerating Spinosaurus by a mile, the last significant change (paddle tail) was 3-4 years ago with a few extra tail verts being added a few months ago, it ain't changing much

[sudden wind]

^

[flat tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-dinosaur-i-have-a-big-head-little-arms-t-rex-gif-17343709

[charred cypress]

i'm willing to think Spinosaurus had Dimetrodon / lizard / megalania-like legs (splayed to the side)
had to get that off my chest

[fallow nimbus]

.

[sharp dragon]

Calling it now, next spino update drops on the 26th, they're giving it airsacs that it can use to fly around people, i am CALLING IT

[tough parcel]

.

[silver canopy]

Do we know if dilolophosaurus had feathers or not?

[outer tusk]

No

[sweet plover]

Do we know if coral reefs were present at all in the western interior seaway?

Or was it just completely overrun with rudist mollusks?

[sullen cairn]

what'd i tell yall alamotyrannus lives

[sweet plover]

[fickle prawn]

Is there any good skeletals/size on Eustreptospondylus? Been told a few times that the bones we have aren't from a fully grown Eustreptospondylus.

[sudden wind]

We only indeed just have some immature remains.

We don't know how large the animal was going to be though. I think we'd need to look at the individual's estimated age and growth pattern in Megalosaurs (which are unknown) to get an idea to how large it would end up to be.

[fickle prawn]

Oh
Well ty for the help tho

[red willow]

https://www.montana.edu/earthsciences/graduate-program/students/cv/Sebastian_Dalman.html

Decent chance that 6 new tyrannosaurids might come out this year

[stiff osprey]

I don't normally accept projected adult sizes, but most megalosaurids range from 5-7 m in length, which seems reasonable for an adult Eustreptospondylus

[bright veldt]

Yeah 6 meters seems fair

[fathom haven]

pretty sure it was mostly just rudist reefs

[lunar finch]

https://www.reptileevolution.com/images/archosauromorpha/diapsida/archosauriformes/dinosauromorpha/Halszkaraptor_skeleton588.gif
I haven't been able to find a single paper or any other source explaining why the neck vertebrae of halszkaraptor are often reconstructed as connecting to the bottom of the skull rather than the back. As far as I'm aware this is a tremendously rare configuration, and I can only think of humans and pachycephalosaurs off the top of my head (no pun intended) as far as species that exhibit this trait. Can someone explain it to me? Is this an outdated reconstruction, or is it still considered a possibility?

[light osprey]

They were. Rudist reefs severely decline in the late Campanian

[bright veldt]

Yeah I think it’s a fair enough opinion. Henry Sharpe has a skeletal that’s probably better than the OG

[lavish frigate]

Ya see the reason it connects to the bottom of the skull is….

So it looks more like a duck

[sweet plover]

Ayo? Were they replaced by more estuarine assemblages with those large clams?

Because what I’ve been reading suggests oxygen rich, clastic sediment dominated, low saline waters coming from the northwest of the seaway. Did that water body overtake the carbonate-rich, oxygen poor waters towards the southeast of the seaway as uplift caused the waters to recede?

[lunar finch]

i figured this was the primary reason and it makes me laugh because
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/b1/cb/7db1cb0848b1b2ddfddce23b2264c81a.jpg

ducks dont do that...i cant think of any waterfowl that do. Im no expert, so Im very happy to learn if there are, but Ive never heard of any

[lavish frigate]

They literally don’t even have to connect it to the bottom to do the duck neck lol

Also I love how the person who got that duck skeleton were to lazy to remove the skin on its feet 💀

[stiff osprey]

While the neck doesn't connect below the head, the joint between them still has considerable mobility, and when the animal looks down, the head can make a 90 degree angle with the neck

in the halzskaraptor skeletal, the animal is looking down

[snow python]

Is there any skeletal for Saurosuchus and Fasolasuchus?

[snow python]

So both at ~6,4m?

[outer tusk]

6-7m for Fasola and 4.79-6.36m for sauro

[sudden wind]

Not a cursed take by David Peters

[barren lagoon]

I was wondering because I was eating rotisserie chicken yesterday and decided to look at the arm and hand bones because why not and I am pretty sure from what I saw there were claws at the end of the fingers

[warped peak]

My David Peters PTSD alarm has gone off

[lavish frigate]

How do these lil guys look on the plausibility scale for appearance?

Juvenile cryo and dilo

[outer tusk]

for juvenile they're crest could be much smaller and more baby like appearances

something like this

[crude latch]

For no particular reason whatsoever, would you mind telling me some of the prey that that one burrowing snake of yours eats

Also they look pretty good imo

Feathered cryos are imo

[lavish frigate]

The legged one in the sand?

[crude latch]

Yesss

I owe you smth I promised months ago

[lavish frigate]

Here’s their largest prey item they are capable of taking. They are about the size of an ostrich. (Ya gotta translate though 😈)

I might find some others as well that they eat

[crude latch]

Isn’t that the long bird dude

[lavish frigate]

Yup. Speed King of the prairies and arid environments

[topaz shell]

How accurate is this?

[bright veldt]

What even is it

[outer tusk]

Turiasaurus

[bright veldt]

Thats about what I'd expect yeah

[tough parcel]

P good

[outer tusk]

it's good als oit's fro mthe game "Dinosaur Wolrd Mobile"

it's clearly based on the skeletal but yeah

[crude latch]

Goofy ah looking sauropod 😭

[ocean brook]

Any1 knows what these are and what they are supposed to do?

[lavish frigate]

I believe it’s interpreted as sensory organs? Either that or something connected to lips

[crude latch]

Whiskers

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

[ocean drum]

If if recall they are pressure sensors connected to the foramina causing the little holes to/that connect to nerves, they are usually meant to catch movement in water due to their extreme sensitivity.

[slim needle]

???

https://twitter.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1778961133350903926?s=19

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo) on X

Behold, Troodon formosus #DinosaursandMOR @MuseumRockies

Twitter · Apr 13, 2024, 1:39 AM

[tough parcel]

Behold

[slim needle]

If this is a late April Fool’s joke I will cry

I need my boy to be valid again

[bright veldt]

Sensory organs. Convergent with the sensory pits on crocodiles. They detect movement in water.

[crude latch]

Whiskers

Still sensory organs to

[sweet plover]

ROOOOOOAAAAAARRRR

Guys I am finding smth interesting about the Western Interior Seaway reading these papers

There were two different eco regions

The eco region that trends northwest (coming from the arctic) was dominated by clastic sediment, was extremely dilute in salt (basically brackish), and rich in oxygen. It was like a giant open estuarine environment. And the shale rock formations reflect this environment

The eco region that trended southeast (coming from the south) was much more like a sub-tropical tropical carbonate environment, meaning there were probably some rudist reefs around that region. It was also more saline and oxygen deprived.

[snow python]

Was Postosuchus really 6-7m?

[outer tusk]

No, anyone who says this is lying

[errant solstice]

Is it true that(from the new Paper) Spinosaurus can‘t swim?

[charred cypress]

Link?

[stiff estuary]

Pretty sure that most papers about Spino say that it can swim. The question more being how good it was at swimming and whether or not it hunted while swimming. 🤔

[woeful falcon]

Ya

[sudden wind]

There are very few animals that are physically incapable of swimming. Some examples coming to me mostly are mammals, such as giraffes, gorillas and hippos (which yet spend a great time in water).
As when it comes to non avian reptiles, I don't have examples of extant diapsids uncapable of swimming : some sure do better than others and have less of an hard time. Spinosaurus case's would be more similar to the latter, due to the weak propulsion the tail and hindlimbs offer, as we as its instable COM during aquatic locomotion.

[errant solstice]

I saw it in a Newspaper

[novel atlas]

https://twitter.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1778975165940105331?t=cyj6te_-i_mf_M8RfhSaNg&s=19

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo) on X

More Troodon shots. #DinosaursandMOR @MuseumRockies

Twitter · Apr 13, 2024, 2:35 AM

[slim needle]

we’re SO back

[woeful falcon]

Weirdly complete skeleton for a tooth

[novel atlas]

Apparently, they found a skull(?)

[frosty anvil]

Troodon is back but my girl Latenvenatrix isnt 😔 🙏

[woeful falcon]

I feel like y'all are forgetting, Troodon's holotype is a tooth which is why there is such a problem with it in the first place.

I have more faith in Nanotyrannus existing personally

[clever sable]

If you mean it didn't hunt while swimming then yes, most papers as well as just logic in general seem to point to that

[novel atlas]

Nanotyrannus does exist.

However, everyone calls it a young T.rex, because that's what it is.

Also, I wouldn't knock this, because a paper is coming out soon.

[woeful falcon]

Paper in regards to two medicine troodontid, if the tweet responses are something to go on. There's also papers that could reinstate Nanotyrannus as well, like a Bloody Mary description. And like I said I have more faith in that simply because its a taxon built on more than just a tooth

The problem that tooth had being that you couldn't tell it apart from its other relatives. As I understand, it would take that tooth having diagnostic features, or something like everything gets lumped back into troodon

[frosty anvil]

We need to bring back my girl Latenivenatrix

Shes been extinct for awhile and now shes considered INVALID? it seems the world just dosent deserve latenivenatrix

[outer tusk]

https://vxtwitter.com/j_stocky/status/1779174920876102055?t=D-oa5ejAcLxiHFtE2owRMA&s=19

[lavish frigate]

That’s amazing lol

[snow python]

About 9m

[kindred night]

Iirc it's a composite mount of the material from the Two Medicine Formation which the authors of the upcoming paper believe is the same taxa as the Troodon holotype.

So you'd have Troodon as the Two Medicine remains and holotype tooth and Stenonychosaurus (and Latenivenatrix debatable) make up the remaining traditional Troodon remains.

[bright veldt]

Mood

It’s like, either they’re going to try and justify being able to tell anything from the tooth holotype, or they’re gunna neotype the new material, both of which are dumb

[woeful falcon]

I see I see thank you. Well if they manage to make something out of Troodon that would be quite neat.

That said, I still have more faith in Nanotyrannus, which isn't really much if any faith at all but there's more material to work with as far as its holotype goes.

[sharp canyon]

Ain't no way :0

[heady thunder]

No way troodon came back and not laten

[proper panther]

https://twitter.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1778961133350903926?s=19

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo) on X

Behold, Troodon formosus #DinosaursandMOR @MuseumRockies

Twitter · Apr 13, 2024, 1:39 AM

[sharp canyon]

So like, is Troodon actually back?

[novel atlas]

Troodon formosus.

So, yes, technically.

[tough parcel]

@heady thunder @sharp canyon If you can think of any way to justify attributing specific skeletal remains to the holotype tooth, it's back. But if you think really closely about it, it sounds kinda hard, no? Hence why we need to WAIT FOR THE PAPER BEFORE we start praising the good Lord

[lavish frigate]

The falcon has brought out the talons…

[tough parcel]

[heady thunder]

Eh, theyre real to me anyway

[tough parcel]

Nah

Anyone trying to keep Troodon are the same people who laugh at Spinofaarus unironically and think all herbivores should obliterate their predators with 0 trouble

[sullen cairn]

This might be the coldest line in this server’s history

[stiff osprey]

Guys check out this mount of Amphicoelias fragillimus I found

It proves that Amphicoelias is real and a diplodocid, and not Maraapunisaurus as previously thought

[lavish frigate]

I think spinofaarus is funny….

[sullen cairn]

It’s incredible they found an entire opalized skeleton

[tough parcel]

War is not without its losses...

[bright veldt]

Yeah basically this

[tough parcel]

Erm, this is different because a respectable paleontologist didn't tweet on it so 🤓

[stiff osprey]

I work in paleontology and at least one person respects me, therefore same thing

[tough parcel]

Damn, you got a good point there

[outer tusk]

Anything I should change about my purussaurus

[sweet field]

There have been various parts of the skeleton found and attributed to "troodon," but a lot of them are determined to be different taxa due to having the same teeth as troodon, even though the rest of the body is different. Turns out there is a family of many theropods which all have very similar teeth. There isn't a way to know what is and isn't troodon, since the holotype was just teeth. The name was retired. Troodon was split into Stenonychosaurus, Latenivenatrix, and Pectinodon.

[novel atlas]

Apparently not. As of...the paper coming out soon, teased by this.

[bright veldt]

Pectinodon is functionally dead as well cause it’s also just teeth, and Latenivenatrix was lumped into steno back in 2021.

[bright veldt]

A paper is only as good as the evidence it presents for its argument. I highly doubt it’s going to be convincing for the reasons already stated.

[novel atlas]

Good point.

[storm heron]

Instable COM during aquatic locomotion?

[serene moat]

I've been looking on google and can't find much on maia but is it's weight about 3-4 tons??

[sullen cairn]

assuming ballard et al has correct measurements then ~1000-2500kg for fully grown individuals

[serene moat]

Damn that's not as big as I thought

[cloud badger]

Now its 2 persons respecting you
Now can you tell me how to be become a paleontologist

[stiff osprey]

Most countries don't give out university degrees in paleontology, so you'll need to get one in geology or biology (I got the latter) and specialize in a paleo subject for a master's or such

[native kindle]

just to confirm since i don't remember, Austroraptor wasn't great at swimming yea? or at least we don't think it was

[nocturne merlin]

nah it didnt have any evidense for adaptations for swimming such as webbed feet

[warped peak]

It was well adapted for Speed on land compared to other dromaeosaurs however

[proper panther]

prehistoric planet 1 star reviews are funny

[crude latch]

LOL

[tame tapir]

What a pleb

[proper panther]

Theyre hilarious lmao

[tame tapir]

What even was the second person saying! Im so confuzzled

[warped peak]

I appreciate the Spoiler warning for the existence of America and Europe

[native kindle]

this is paleo chat lol

[zenith estuary]

oh...sorry. I'll delete this

[lost hedge]

Did baby tyrannosaurus have big sboogoogly eyes

[pure summit]

hi

[lavish frigate]

Did….did they call the existence of prehistoric America and Europe into question 💀

[zinc solstice]

@pseudo slate It is possible that tyrannosaurus Rex was scaly and might have had tiny almost invisible peachfuzz like feathers

[woeful falcon]

it's a very common way to depict rex nowadays, logically so

[zinc solstice]

Yeah Rex 100% was scaly but might have had tiny almost invisible to the naked eye peach fuzz like feathers

And @night blaze what is the evidence of the dinosaurs all being obese animals In life what is your source?

[pseudo slate]

from what I've read/seen on YT documentaries is that it is possible that it did have that in colder regions like modern-day China

[zinc solstice]

Tyrannosaurus didn't live in China I mean there was tarbosaurus in Mongolia but not fluffy

[pseudo slate]

I think the consensus now is that juvenile rexes did have them to some extent, but adults didnt need them

[zinc solstice]

Tyrannosaurus was 100% scaly but might have had tiny peach fuzz like feathers as adults like the peachfuzz on your face, almost invisible to the naked eye

[pseudo slate]

yeah theropoda in general i guess

were there scaly raptors that didnt have feathers? or did they all have them

[warped peak]

Did you just nerd in the dedicated nerd channel

Your boos mean nothing to us

[zinc solstice]

Probably all of the known ones had some sort of feathers like bird feathers

[sudden wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660384210040782858/1157582042456928297/nerd-dog-nerd.gif?ex=651921c9&is=6517d049&hm=dd688778a472966bbf448896604e2f18edae2eb9ac1f4dc61b90a72de683dc41&

[warped peak]

Do we have any fossil evidence or history for siphonophores?

[proper panther]

Literally the most preferred upon rex take

On how it looked

[outer tusk]

guys, would it be logical to suggest animal like nothosauurs would breach similar or just like a dolphin would

[warped peak]

I don't see how a Nothasaur would generate enough thrust

[zinc solstice]

Guys, would it be logical to suggest that Pterosaurs Actually Flapped their wings to fly

[heady thunder]

Nah, they used jet propulsion

[void locust]

i saw people talking about shrink wrapping in dinosaur interpretations in general chat and got curious, how do we even draw how fat and muscle was distributed around the body of a dinosaur just by the bones alone?

[halcyon cobalt]

guess

[stiff osprey]

Muscle distribution is easier, nearly all major muscles leave scars, bumps and ridges on the bones where they attach, and by comparing these to the skeletons of living animals you can reconstruct how they looked in extinct ones.

Fat though 100% guesswork

[lavish frigate]

Dromaeosaurs pretty much 100% never lost feathers. They are extremely bird like and phylogenetic bracketing indicates they were all floofy boys

There’s a point to be made that no dinosaurs fully lost feathers and they were at least around in tiny hair like forms but that’s another conversation

[void locust]

i see i see, thats pretty cool, ty. i just thought that since shrink wrapping is apparently considered a thing in paleontology there was some kind of more factual way of telling how fat or weight was distributed on the body

[stiff osprey]

usually shrinkwrapping is not related to fat per se, the muscles themselves are reconstructed too thin, or the skin follows exactly the shape of the bone in an unnatural way

like this T.rex (made in the 90s) is shrinkwrapped because the primary tail muscles are straight up missing from the top view

[viral jasper]

guys, I'm planning to make a basemesh for a hadrdosaur, but not sure which one is the most "Generic". Currently I am stuck between corythosaurus, prosaurolophus or edmontosaurus. Let me know which one of these I should choose, or if i should choose something else.

[warped peak]

Brachylophosaurus

[void locust]

oh this makes sense that does look too thin especially round the ribcage i think

[tough parcel]

Edmontosaurus is likely the best base due to it being extraordinarily flat for a hadrosaur

[viral jasper]

but doesn't it have those hand hoof feet now?

[tough parcel]

Just leave that area blank morph afterwards

[stiff estuary]

Also just by comparing to modern animals. Usually, you only ever see ribs, or skull bones if an animal is severely malnourished. So in paleoart it makes sense to add enough fat and skin that the bone structure isn't super prominent. 💀👍

[sullen cairn]

i will not tolerate brachylophosaurus slander its leggy and has a cool crest and mummies

[light osprey]

The superior Wulagasaurus

[lavish frigate]

Slander against any dinosaur is bad (unless it’s nigersaurus. Seriously how did that thing survive 💀)

[halcyon cobalt]

How do worms survive?? they have no way of fighting back against moles!

[sharp canyon]

There's A LOT of them

[lavish frigate]

They have like 10,000 babies and are expendable 💀

Unlike the large herbivore nigersaurus that literally had no defenses and did not breed like worms 💀

[sharp canyon]

Actually I'm pretty sure sauropods did in fact have a lot of eggs at once

[halcyon cobalt]

weren’t sauropods extreme r strategists?

[lavish frigate]

Well yes although not enough for the earth worm analogy to work 💀

[sharp canyon]

The thing about your babies being several times smaller than you, even by dinosaur standards, is that protecting them is nigh impossible so it's best to lay a bunch of eggs, say "Good luck" and hope at least some of them survive

And from what I'm reading here on Wikipedia alone it seems to me that Niger's only real threat as an adult would be Eocarcharia and maybe Suchomimus and Sarcosuchus

[halcyon cobalt]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Niger reproduced way faster and grew way quicker than most of its predators

[sharp canyon]

Honestly from what I'm reading, Niger's environment was relatively safe for a sauropod of its size to live in

Hell I bet even Magyarosaurus would see some success here

[halcyon cobalt]

explain?

[sharp canyon]

From what I'm seeing so far the largest carnivores in this ecosystem we know about are Sucho and Sarco

And while those could be an issue, especially Sarco, they probably wouldn't be numerous enough to do major damage to the population. The main issue to me seems to be Eocar and Kryptops.

[halcyon cobalt]

and kryptops was tiny

[sharp canyon]

Well again I'm talking about the hypothetical of Magyarosaurus surviving here
And Magy wasn't exactly the largest sauropod if you catch my drift

[tough parcel]

(I was the extinction of Nigersaurus)

[sharp canyon]

How could you

[tough parcel]

For the meme

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[halcyon cobalt]

true

[stiff osprey]

They don't lay that many eggs. Sea turtles and crocodylians outbreed them

[crude latch]

I am a female sea turtle and I can indeed confirm

[tough parcel]

[keen forum]

[storm acorn]

ok

[lavish frigate]

You are neither of those things

[crude latch]

Ye huh

I even have proof

See

[tough parcel]

Undeniable proof, essentially a government-issued ID

[lavish frigate]

Dang it….well it all checks out. Even got the passport under that flipper an- is that a social security number?! Dang sorry I misjudged you as human just because your a sapient life form using discord 😔

[crude latch]

Smh, can’t believe humans these days

[carmine fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QClfSZ0WbvA
I love this channel and their recent videos, figured some of you paleofans would get enjoyment outta this too 🙂

[scenic flame]

https://vxtwitter.com/TylerGreenfieId/status/1411088506986717190?t=h3M_W1fQqhu1xGl0qNFmsw&s=19

[snow python]

How big were Eocarch and Kryptops?

[stiff osprey]

Suchomimus is actually the most numerous large carnivore in the Elrhaz formation, but since it primarily eats fish, it probably didn't put too much predation pressure on Nigersaurus

[white matrix]

I always had this but never knew what kinda chonky guy it is, cuz rn I think its a Brachio but I don't really know. That's also a pretty old figure so things may be off?

[stiff osprey]

And Kryptops is too small to threaten an adult Nigersaurus, most size charts of it are incorrect. Bro's barely like 3 meters long

[sharp canyon]

So yeah I'd say the biggest issues for adult Nigersaurus were Sarco and Eocar packs if Eocar lived in packs

[tulip dove]

I think I've seen that toy before and I think that it's meant to be a Brachiosaurus

[white matrix]

Ooh okay thanks!

[stiff osprey]

it's a Giraffatitan, which at the time the toy was made, was called Brachiosaurus brancai

[white matrix]

Oooh thanks to you too ^^

[somber nebula]

Suchomimus probably would've dipped into terrestrial predation, since it (and the rest of Ceratosuchopsini) seem to be a bit more leggy than most of Baryonychinae. Nigersaurus would probably be quite large for it to go after, but probably in times of desperation, it could've gone after them.

Like a grizzly bear going after a moose, except not really like it in any way besides the fact that they're both large and heavy.

[tough parcel]

Adding onto this, Sucho had an isotope study done on it (Sarco was included with this) and both were found to take terrestrial prey to a noticeable degree

[sharp canyon]

This is of course ignoring the idea of Nigersaurus living in herds

[somber nebula]

Sucho definitely would've been one of the dominant predators of its environment, since it was (on average) quite a bit larger than Eocarcharia and every contemporary carnivore in the region (not accounting for pack-hunting behavior, which isn't well understood in Carcharodontosaurids and the extent of it is unknown in most of the clade). I think a lot of people don't seem to realize that it was nearing the lower estimates of Mapusaurus in dimensions and out-weighed most other Megalosauroids.

TLDR: Suchomimus is underrated and overlooked.

[tough parcel]

[sharp canyon]

Either way, it's not difficult to imagine Nigersaurus surviving in this enviornment

[somber nebula]

It was probably quite chunky and heavily built (like in JWE), and living in a herd would've definitely protected it from like 85% of potential predators in its environment. I would imagine, especially in herds, they would decimate the foliage of an area. Probably had quite high metabolisms, and with a highly specialized skull like that, they were literally lawnmowers. Also probably provided a lot of fertilizer for plants to regrow in their absence. They were probably on of the most crucial species to their ecosystems, like all Sauropods.

TLDR: Nigersaurus is underrated and overlooked.

[outer tusk]

Yes guys the 500 teeth dinosaur is overlooked

[sharp canyon]

Hell they may have even been a size where they could actually defend their offspring and not just say "Good luck" and dip

[outer tusk]

Nigersaurus was like 4 tonnes

[warped peak]

Does this size reference of Tyrannosaurus, Camara (sup), and Argentino look about right?

[sullen cairn]

The rest of ceratosuchopsini in question

[tough parcel]

One moment

[somber nebula]

Is very fragmentary and doesn't have any preserved leg material 😞. For some reason I remembered the Riparovenator skeletal having upper leg material but I guess not.

[scenic flame]

ngl that camara .s looks rather oversized

[tough parcel]

I'm working on it

[warped peak]

That's the exact skeletal reference I used, Scotty as the Rex

[somber nebula]

More complete and conclusive than most Spinosaurids though. At least it isn't a Ostafrikasaurus, Cristatusaurus, or Sinopliosaurus where it's like, a single bone, and nobody knows what it is. Pretty sure last I heard Ostafrikasaurus may have been a Ceratosaur, Cristatusaurus is synonymous with Suchomimus, and Sinopliosaurus is a pliosaur.

[sullen cairn]

year 26 of praying on suchomimus' downfall 🙏

[somber nebula]

year 26 of praying for transitional, Jurassic-age ancestral Spinosaurid material 🙏

[outer tusk]

waiting for an actual good spinosaurid remain

[tough parcel]

@warped peak I used Sue because she's more complete and thus has a better, more concrete size

[outer tusk]

And not from Europe

[warped peak]

meh looks close enough for what I'm using it for

[outer tusk]

petition to make this slow mode shorter

[somber nebula]

Irritator+Angaturama (we have a, cumulative, mostly complete skull and like 3 vertebrae and a pelvis)

[tough parcel]

This is assuming these are the same animal which we can't verify due to the utter lack of overlap

[outer tusk]

NEW

Also Angaturama might as well just be Irritator unless some says otherwise

[somber nebula]

A few years ago I would've 100% claimed that they were the same animal because "why would there be 2 similar, comparably sized spinosaurids in the same environment" and now we have Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator who were very closely related, lived together, and somehow made it work (and are somehow considered distinct from one another).

I'm guessing niche partitioning woud occur, like one would eat a specific sort of fish and would occasionally come inland to maul a young Mantellisaurus, while the other would eat another specific sort of fish and would occasionally come inland to maul a young Iguanodon.

[frosty anvil]

I don't think thats how it would work though

Carnivores cant exactly afford to be picky. Why would they choose to dine on a specific fish and herbivorous dinosaur when they are equally capable of eating this other fish and herbivore? Thats just more opportunities for food, ripe for the taking!

Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator might just be one of those special cases, nature isn't exactly black and white.

This isnt to say that niche partioning between Irritator and Angaturama dosen't exist. Its still a possibility but me personally I don't really see it happening. As far as I know (and I don't know much) they just could very well be the same animal.

[alpine summit]

Is Guanlong's head really this small..? The artist explains his reasoning in the description.
https://www.deviantart.com/franz-josef73/art/Guanlong-wucaii-Skeleton-341176211

[tough parcel]

There is no reasoning provided, all he does is "My interpretation is correct because I rotated bones"

So imo, stick with Hartman's unless @stiff osprey knows something I don't and I'm insane (Though the mount I found has a smaller head, but I am not 100% sure)

[alpine summit]

Thank you! This one looks much better.

[tough parcel]

[iron bramble]

Tbh could work as a playable for the big one, and the smaller one can be ai

[warped peak]

This is a very serious question

Do you think an Argentinosaurus could survive an MOAB Warhead

11 Tons of TNT vs 80+ Ton Dinosaur

[scenic flame]

no

[lavish frigate]

It….it could not 💀 really no vertebrate animal could survive a warhead

[stiff osprey]

The missile could probably kill Argentinosaurus before it exploded

[warped peak]

So what your saying is that if my jellyfish creature explodes with approximately 208 Gigajoules of energy (this is not an Exaggeration, I calculated a lot of explosive yield data), it would indeed beat an Argent?

(Approximately equivalent to 4.5 MOABs)

[sullen cairn]

could a velociraptor survive a .50 bmg

[lavish frigate]

This is the logical conclusion to the bulletproof dinosaur trope 💀

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDj3Nbs7pcQ

even if argent wasn't immediately vaporized, it's likely to lose all of it's extremities and have severe organ damage

[lavish frigate]

Obliterated. Completely.

[warped peak]

Being held Buoyant with over a ton of straight Methane unfortunately makes an animal slightly volatile

[sullen cairn]

whenever a cruise missile contacts by face my first thought is always "oh gee i sure hope i survive this severe organ damage"

[scenic flame]

argent would be dead at 1.7 miles from the impact centre

[warped peak]

Next question:

Assuming the blast radius is approximately 1.3km (full range of about 2.6km), how far from the epicenter do you think... well whatever the best candidate animal would need to be to survive?

I'm guessing on Argent or Roaches

[lavish frigate]

Me. Point blank

[stiff osprey]

a person would be dead. Argent has a small brain which can dodge the shockwave

[lavish frigate]

The roaches surviving nukes trope is a misinterpretation. They can survive the fallout but not the actual blast

[last iron]

Best candidate would be tardigrades IMO not roaches

[scenic flame]

[warped peak]

See this is the real discussion we need

Not who would win in a fight. Who is the most likely to survive 5 simultaneous MOAB Warheads

[tough parcel]

[scenic flame]

moab is small peas in terms of munitions in the grand scale of things

[last iron]

Well falcons pfp reminded me that Godzilla would probably be a good candidate as well

[warped peak]

Oh I'm aware, but it's not small peas compared to what most animals can do

[lavish frigate]

Nothing 💀everything loses 💀 bombs > all vertebrate and most invertebrate life

[last iron]

Non invertebrate=vertebrate

[lavish frigate]

Dang it typo

[warped peak]

I ran numbers, you would need to be approximately 4.2km from the epicenter to escape with just deafness

[main peak]

What the heck did I just read? This channel is amazing sometimes

[lavish frigate]

I wonder where the dinosaurs being bulletproof trope came from? It’s such a weird thing that’s been shown everywhere these days.

One of the parts of fallen kingdom I liked was that a bullet hitting a hollow boned bird like animal was actually a threat to the animals health instead of how in other movies people shoot them and they shrug it off 💀

[last iron]

I believe it stems from alligators and crocodiles having bullet resistant skin but that wouldn’t translate over to dinosaurs lol

[warped peak]

With exceptions like Ankylo, who would have some reasonable amount of bulletproof-ness

[scenic flame]

any heavily osteodermed dinosaur would be tough to take out with lower caluibers

[tough parcel]

Probably because dinosaurs are used as the big movie monster. Issue is in the modern day, they wouldn’t exactly be a monster if you can drop em in a second with a bullet to the heart. So people developed the whole thing of them being bulletproof so they can have cool sequences (Example attached)

[last iron]

Tbf the Jurassic franchise dinosaurs aren’t really dinosaurs if you know what I mean

[tough parcel]

A) That doesn’t matter
B) It’s splitting hairs so it doesn’t matter

[scenic flame]

also shooting it in the snout isn't the most effective area lol

[heady thunder]

Its probably less that theyre bullet proof and more they are big enough that they can shrug off many hits, like trying to stop a bear with a tiny caliber is just going to get you killed.

Tho for the Indom one, the guys were sent with non lethals.

[tough parcel]

No, that one in the clip is a live round shotgun. They were given those for that specific emergency iirc

[tough parcel]

The first blast hits the back of the skull/neck which is a bit more effective (but not a whole lot Ig)

[scenic flame]

yeah, even though it was shooting it mainly in the maxilla area etc it was still making the indom recoil alot, idk why they didn't aim for the chest or the part of the head that like, has the brain
I would've killed it in one shot in that highly stressful situation

[last iron]

Bears have been reported to eat shotgun blasts to the face and continue mauling their target so

[tough parcel]

I mean, when the head is 90% of your sight, it’s kinda hard to aim at the chest

[heady thunder]

It all depends on what they were shotting out of that

[scenic flame]

deff fair, though other times it's a little bit more...

[tough parcel]

[somber nebula]

My dad. Because he's awesome

[alpine island]

Does anyone have a good size comparison of Carch and Rex? Mainly looking for a height comparison

[native kindle]

is there a list of sorts for all the paleomemes that are stupidly big/inaccurate size estimates? like camps theropod, hectors ichthyosaur, etc. ?

[sharp canyon]

Something of note regarding armor and bullets if it hasn't already been mentioned is the energy of the bullet will still go through the armor and possibly liquify the flesh underneath depending on the thickness of armor and amount of energy transferred

[sullen cairn]

for the record i still maintain that camp's theropod is a giant-but-still-within-reason sized megalosaurine

[native kindle]

good to know!

[outer tusk]

Wait I almost forgot what was the mass estimate you gave for camp's theropod

[sullen cairn]

5.5t scaling with carrano’s 1.2m yang femoral measurement, 11t with yang’s 95cm description femoral measurement, and 6.5-7t scaling as a megalosaurine

Mind you this thing is also a fragmentary af femur shaft

[outer tusk]

true

[compact leaf]

random are you about to reveal it's really 12t and 15m long

[stiff osprey]

no i'm still deciding what my opinion is on the bulletproof dinosaurs thing

[halcyon cobalt]

that would be peak

[compact leaf]

I mean is it much of a stretch to assume a lot of larger herbivores are in a similar boat to elephants? (besides hadrosaurs we know they had thinner skin)

[halcyon cobalt]

the air sacs were crit spots right?

[outer tusk]

yes the spot were it's able to breathe from is in fact NOT the crit spots

[halcyon cobalt]

that’s why mammals are superior… no stinky air sacs

[crude latch]

Teetle

[stiff osprey]

It works depending on the setting. Pretty stupid in JW's case, where their weapons were specifically designed to bring down large dinosaurs. But then in JW the Indominus was already stated to be an unnaturally powerful monstrosity, so

I don't think dinosaurs being bulletproof is a common trope at all though, they're just very hard to shoot down because a) large animals are known to be hard to kill without weaponry made for that purpose, and b) it would be lame if they died instantly

The only bulletproof dinosaur I can think of besides Indom is that moa from the Superman comics that shrugged off bullets and could fly by kicking the air really fast

[compact leaf]

so it's just a regular moa

[lavish frigate]

This as a sentence caught me so amazingly off guard. Especially in conjunction with the goofy looking image of said moa

[crude latch]

Chat what Dino is this?

[lavish frigate]

Me fr

[light osprey]

His greatest rival

[outer tusk]

why does these feel so different for some reason

[sharp canyon]

Why Giga have such a huge brain

[fossil ingot]

@alpine island

[white matrix]

how many concavenator specimens do we have?

[bright veldt]

One

[dawn plaza]

Have you guys heard of Kyoryu? It's absolutely awesome. It's very similar to rain world's lore. Genetically modified Dinosaurs survive the extinction of the human race and now rule a ruined planet that was once ruled by man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vjplUdfJA

[lavish frigate]

I like that under the samurai armor the designs are actually quite good for the Tyrannosaurs

[regal marsh]

thats so cool

[dark glen]

[dawn plaza]

I like a dystopian setting

[west coral]

I think you are forgetting about emus

[outer tusk]

Chat, how many valid genera are there again

[lucid ibex]

Ohhh yiss!! I love this trailer!

[serene moat]

What's the up to date accurate size for maip? Is it like 3-4 tons?

[outer tusk]

3t for Maip

[unkempt roost]

I only really pop in here to ask everyone what their favourite dinosaurs are sooo

What are y'all's favourite dinosaurs?

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jurrasic-park-tyrannosaurus-rex-t-rex-dinosaur-roar-gif-5244731

[unkempt roost]

Jpark mmmmm

[serene moat]

1. Carno, 2. Giga, 3. Shant, 4. Triceratops, 5. Maip

[serene moat]

So a lebron james maip could be like 4tons?? Potentially??

[outer tusk]

No, because 4 tonnes would be an overestimate

[sweet field]

carchar barney

[outer tusk]

Agreed,the carcharodontosaurus looks so smooth for no reason

[hallow spear]

In no specific order, Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Hesperosaurus

[stiff estuary]

Utahraptor, Edmontosaurus, and Argentinosaurus. (Bonus non-dinosaur answer is Hatzegopteryx.)

[tough parcel]

T. rex, Gorgosaurus, Torvosaurus (First two are tied in 1st)

[cloud dagger]

i like guanlong, alvarezsaurids and other small dinos

[light oxide]

My favorites, as of now, are:

• Lambeosaurus, due to its iconic look
• Muttaburrasaurus, due to it unique approach of "screw quadrupedal — time to give bipedal a try"
• Camptosaurus, due to it saying "no" to size limits and expectations.
• Shantungasaurus, due to even sauropods respecting this giant.
• Parasaurolophus, due to it giving us an insight to how hadrosaurs may have sounded like.

[hallow spear]

Albertosaurus libratus

[tough parcel]

The objectively worse opinion

[errant iron]

Tyrannosaurids and Megaraptorans

[outer tusk]

Yangchuanosaurus, masaiksaurus, cryolophosaurus, deltadromeus, monolophosaurus, suchomimus, gorgosaurus, carcharodontosaurus, deinocherius, and acrocanthosaurus

[outer tusk]

What sauropods ?

[light oxide]

The sauropods that were about Shant's size.

It's a joke — they most likely left each other alone if they were to meet each other. XD

[errant iron]

Ok here is a proper list:
1:Lythronax
2: Maip
3: Allosaurus
4: Australovenator
5: Borealopelta

[bronze storm]

Baryonyx, Pentaceratops, megalosaurus, torvosaurus, aerosteon

[slim needle]

Tyrannosaurus, Megaraptor, Stenonychosaurus, Pachyrhinosaurus, Deinocheirus

[light oxide]

As for my absolute favorite, it's between Lambeosaurus or Muttaburrasaurus.

[worn isle]

1. Spinosaurus
2. ''Dakotaraptor''
3. Therizinosaurus
4. Ouranosaurus
5. Carcharodontosaurus

[nocturne merlin]

mine are probs, 1: amargasaurus 2: baluar 3: minmi 4: mononykus 5: stegorous

[small geyser]

Deinonychus, Suchomimus, Ingentia, Megaraptor, Yutyrannus and Scelidosaurus.

[hallow spear]

nuh uh

[tough parcel]

"Alberta Lizard" vs "Fierce Lizard"

No competition

[ocean drum]

Avain - Caadian goose, non-avain Tyrannosaurus

[snow python]

Accurate?

[somber nebula]

1- Suchomimus
2- Sinotyrannus
3- Concavenator
4- Austroraptor
5- Gigantoraptor
6- Shantungosaurus

[bright veldt]

Just a leg one. 3 meter abelisaur is about all that’s needed to get it right

[versed karma]

ngl I really hope troodon becomes valid again

[light osprey]

Albertans rise up

[lucid ibex]

Yangchuanosaurus takes the cake, but I also love Unenlagia and Archaeopteryx

[lucid ibex]

Oh yah and Therizinosaurus. Truly the silly.

[ocean drum]

🗣️ ‼️

[outer tusk]

https://youtu.be/QClfSZ0WbvA?si=NlD4-MTqoD77jb9y anyone who's knowledgeable on pterosaurs can tell me whether this video is accurate or not

[native kindle]

1. Shunosaurus lii
2. Deinocheirus mirificus
3. Epidexipteryx hui
4. Plateosaurus trossingensis
5. Majungasaurus crenatissimus

[nocturne merlin]

epidexipteryx love finally

[crude latch]

Epi and YiQi my beloved bat wing goobers

[native kindle]

i love it, and it was a pretty important find in the fossil record all things considered

[cosmic fox]

what part bro

[nocturne merlin]

epi is bat winged? my knowledge of it was from a documentary that had it in it with just big fingers

[cosmic fox]

maybe it had wings

[outer tusk]

alll of it

[crude latch]

I’d probably have to go…

1. YiQi
   2.Sapeornis
   3.Spinosaurus
   4.Austroraptor
   5.Halzkaraptor

[warped peak]

Likely, considering the relatives had wings (IE Yi qi)

[white matrix]

YES YI QI

[crude latch]

Love YiQi, so goofy, so neat, everything about it is awesome

Changed the list, not sure why I put Sapeornis so low

[white matrix]

I love
Yi QI, muvvua? The one with the single claw, spinosaurus, ALL CERATOPSIANS and all elaborated crested carnis (like crylo and dilo)

[crude latch]

Theirs a couple Dino’s with a single claw. Do you mean Mononykus?

[nocturne merlin]

i love the barn owl pattern it had in PP, made it one of my faves instantly

[white matrix]

YES

[white matrix]

Pp 💀

Not me being immature lol

[crude latch]

Sapeornis my beloved

[lavish frigate]

Ooh when I went to || steal this image because yes || the UI thing was different wonders of discord update fr. Also pretty bird

[lavish frigate]

#1 Tyrannosaurus || BATAAR MWAHAHAHA||

#2 ichthyovenator

#3 Alamosaurus

#4 Microraptor (R.I.P. Mikey fr)

#5 spinosaurus

[brittle marten]

tarbosaurus 🌞

[outer tusk]

how did you find this

[scenic flame]

koi

[outer tusk]

koi?

[scenic flame]

knights of iguana

it was posted in sauropoda too

[outer tusk]

damn

[lean egret]

Would some Dinosaurs have hybridized?

[bright veldt]

If they did we wouldn't know it cause rarity of fossil record + such differences being hard to tell from bones alone

[outer tusk]

^

[lean egret]

Like close species, like how some brown bears and polar bears hybridized in areas where they coexisted

I’m not asking if there’s fossil evidence just asking how likely it happened

[bright veldt]

We can see hybridization events in some extinct animals but it's reserved for the really recent stuff, like the Ice Age.

[outer tusk]

also I don't see why hybirdization would occur in dinosaurs

[bright veldt]

We know Columbian Mammoths emerged from a hybrid population of Steppe and Woolly Mammoths for example.

Hybridization and it's frequency varies from clade to clade. We have no way of knowing how common or not it was for dinosaurs.

[outer tusk]

damn that's wild

[lean egret]

It’s very rare in the wild tho right? Aside from aquatic animals

[bright veldt]

It's pretty common in birds too.

[outer tusk]

yes

[lean egret]

And as for the Grolar Bear I used as an example that was from them meeting due to climate change right

[bright veldt]

Not really actually. Turns out it was just one particular female brown bear who had a thing for polar bears. They're meeting more and more but hybridization isn't really increasing or suddenly occuring like the narrative usually goes.

[fossil ingot]

1. Spinosaurus
2. Carcharodontosaurus
3. Gorgosaurus
4. Ceratosaurus
5. Para

[main talon]

Do you think all pachys foreheads were all red?

[lavish frigate]

I mean probably not. The colors in prehistoric planet weren’t from any actual evidence mostly. They were speculative since we don’t know the colors

[unkempt roost]

I just woke up and more than 10 ppl replied lol

[iron halo]

M. hoffmannii was the largest mosasaur, right? How heavy did it get?

[halcyon cobalt]

I think tylo was larger

[outer tusk]

Mosasaurus was the larger though Tylosaurus might be slightly bigger

[arctic crane]

M. hoffmannii was estimate to be 56ft long and 30,000 lbs according to the source I'm looking at, but is very fragmentary we mostly just have skull bits. Tylosaurus is about 52 ft long about 30,000 pounds too. They seem to be able the same size actually if hoffmanni is as big as it's current estimation

[tough parcel]

I would like the actual source name instead of "the source I'm looking at"

[arctic crane]

The size estimate I used was from lingham-soliar (1995) mosasaurus. I tried to download a PDF for you but it's not letting me and I don't feel like pirating research paper right now. This stuff should really be free and easy to access

[tough parcel]

1995
Paper estimates

Nah, this is 100% wrong then

[arctic crane]

I'm just using the papers available to me man, sorry. I really wish I had access to better research but most of it is paywalled.

[tough parcel]

The problem is using papers in the first place

[sullen cairn]

that's why i only use the most credible sources like princeton field guide to dinosaurs and theropods/sauropods facts and figures without question or hesitation

[tough parcel]

True!

[lavish frigate]

Good thing I don’t use papers. I use the large stone tablets the ancient paleontologists used to pass down their wisdom to us youngins

[arctic crane]

I went with a more moderate one too. One of them said 56ft

[tough parcel]

But...you did say 56ft?

[arctic crane]

Oh damn I miss typed the biggest size it says is 57- 60

Where do you guys get your sources? Id like to stay up to date in Paleo findings

[sullen cairn]

strangers on the internet usually

[arctic crane]

Pretty reliable that, almost as good as Wikipedia

I guess there was another study done in 2014 about mossa size but I can't find it 😦

[tough parcel]

Tbf Wiki is pretty good lmao, people blow it way out of proportion the amount of bad information there is on there (From my experience). The only parts that are cautioned to use are the weight estimates, but considering discord users are the only people to consistently make accurate weight estimates, you kinda gotta suck it up and accept it

[lavish frigate]

I’ll settle this. Mosasaurus was at least 5 pounds larger than the record small mouth bass in Mississippi

[sullen cairn]

mapusaurus-sized rajasaurus

[arctic crane]

So we all absorb our knowledge of this stuff through osmosis and stuff lol. You guys watch ydaw?

Unless some of you are actually paleontologists in that case stop paywalling your research please

[tough parcel]

It's not the paleontologists, it's the journals themselves. Why do you think scientists are glad to give you their paper for free?

[sullen cairn]

fortunately the benevolent koi is in the process of creating a 100% open access journal for the public's enjoyment

[arctic crane]

I know I'm just joking. I deal with the royal armory often because of my hobbies they paywall stuff but the actual curators are all chill and talk about stuff openly all the time. Though history is never as hard to research as paleontology

Lol what's the current research on spino say? I heard they published another paper saying it couldn't swim but I find that hard to believe maybe it didn't hunt underwater but it would be weird for a creature that ate that much fish to be a bad swimmer what if it slipped?

[somber nebula]

Macropredatory Abelisaurids would make sense to exist in the fossil record, and honestly I'd be fine if Rajasaurus was Mapusaurus-sized (though I doubt it was). Whatever "Turkana Grits" is and Pycnonemosaurus are other examples of Abelisaurid Macropredators that I hope are better understood as time goes on.

[compact nacelle]

anyone else see this? smol Titanosaur.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd5odPdvsy8

[crude latch]

Yah

[compact nacelle]

Hopefully it is a smol Titanosaur and not just a juvenile of the species. it sounds super cute at it's current size.

[tough parcel]

Titanomachya's defense against Carnotaurus:

[compact nacelle]

XD

[halcyon cobalt]

Carno wasn’t sigma enough to pose a threat

[snow python]

So, how big was Rajasaurus after all? I doubt it was 11m since its skull was below 80 cm

[compact nacelle]

wikipedia says 6.6 meters or 22 feet for those still using imperial

[tough parcel]

No

[tough parcel]

@sullen cairn can likely elaborate further when awake (They went on a drug-induced rampage to shrink Raja)

[compact nacelle]

oh. lol

[tough parcel]

Np np, Wiki is not the best for weight estimates, sorry for the curt "no",

Was tryna slap my bookmark and then go find the screenies

[compact nacelle]

it's fine. the curt no confused me more than anything. no offense taken.

And yeah. Wiki can be very hit or miss.

[tough parcel]

Yea I usually send my quickest response first so people know what's going on, but this slowmode makes that tactic...incredibly painful

[compact nacelle]

indeed.

[pliant cedar]

even being small it was still way bigger than carno, and carno doesnt seem to have most of the adaptations that the big game hunting theropods have

[hallow spear]

being fugly

[hallow spear]

You do know its probably around Saltasaurus size right lol

[outer tusk]

me when we legit don't even know how big it was also likewise given carnotaurus was like the only big predator in the formation to say it didn't hunt titanomachya is just a understatement

[bright veldt]

Titanomachya is larger than carno but not enough to be immune to predation as adults.

[outer tusk]

^^^

[scenic flame]

It is 100% on the menu unless it had some novel defense

[halcyon cobalt]

hmmm poisonous flesh, osteoderms and being faster than allo,,,

[heady thunder]

Carno low diffs whatever the hell that sauropod from wish is

[near sleet]

8.6 tonatona

[pliant cedar]

saltasaurus is considered a small sauropod

[hallow spear]

I am fully aware of that?

[pliant cedar]

yeah but the way u said it made it sound like I was wrong

[hallow spear]

Salta & Titan are not way bigger then carno, like you mentioned. is my point.
It is certainly NOT 8,6t either

[near sleet]

8.6 tons seems like a goosgood defense to me.

[pliant cedar]

2.5 tons is still a pretty significant weight

[hallow spear]

weight has no impact in defence, whats your point

[near sleet]

I know those estimates arw inaccurate but it's just funny to me cause the dense jokes are right thewre

[pliant cedar]

it does, its how literally every sauropod defends itself. being bigger than ur opponent is one of the best defences an animal can have

[hallow spear]

BIGGER not heavier lmao, you can be small but heavy and big but light

[near sleet]

He doesn't knos.

[stiff estuary]

I mean... I kinda feel it does. The heavier an animal the more weight it can throw around, the more dangerous it is to an attacker.

[pliant cedar]

being bigger usually means more weight, there are exceptions but generally thats the rule

[hallow spear]

thats literally what i said, and i was going to say they usually coinside but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. But thats not the point either. The point is saltas/titans weight has nothing to do with it because its too small to be "throwing its weight around" a carnivore thats effectively the same size as it

[pliant cedar]

the average weight of a salta is 400kg more than the maximum weight of a carno, that is significant

[hallow spear]

THis is absolutely bs, there is no "average" weight of Salta, and even then a 400kg higher weight would not be significant in hunting scenario

[pliant cedar]

it is

thats like saying a weight doesnt matter when a lion is hunting a cape buffalo. it does

[scenic flame]

Carnotaurus would 3 or 4 times the size of it if it were 400kg

[hallow spear]

And yet.. these 2 arnt comparable at all because Salta/ Titan are about the same size 😱

[pliant cedar]

I said 400kg MORE, not a weight of 400kg

[hallow spear]

we know, i corrected myself and vivid was joking. Nvm vivid ur slow like me 😭

[scenic flame]

Oh right, lol

[near sleet]

AnoheAnother good example is hadrosaurs like edmontosaurus..

[light osprey]

Imagine it in Musth….

[pliant cedar]

if ur a subadult or adolescent rex good luck

[scenic flame]

The whole edmontosaurus fighting rex thing is exaggerated, it'd need to be a large individual like xrex for edmonto, or a smaller rex

[hallow spear]

People who think weight matters, like "oh this thing is 2t and this thing is 4t, surely the 4t thing solos no diff" (they proceed to be the same size, one is just more obese)

[pliant cedar]

being double the weight of another animal usually gives a significant advantage...

[hallow spear]

No, no it doesnt because you cannot throw yourself ontop of the predator, aside from being (maybe) more stable, and being able to (maybe) have more force in your "attacks"

[scenic flame]

The 4 ton animal would benifit from the weight advantage but on a sauropod that advantage would needntk be greater due to it's vulberable neck and slow movement

[heady thunder]

Edmonto vs rex is soooo overhyped

[pliant cedar]

being heavier means ur attacks will hit way harder

[hallow spear]

^^^ finally someone with brains

Edmonto was slower then rex at both being largest size (p much identical size to rex)

[pliant cedar]

its cool tho, they were similar sizes, rex had bite force and senses, while ed had kicks and speed