paleontology

[copper flame]

olorotitan mixed with shantungosaurus

[wintry path]

more like apatosaurus mixed with the one hadrosaur with a really big back that i cant remember the name of for some reason

[copper flame]

protohadrosssss???????

[wintry path]

nooo

the one that the spinosaur and carcharodontosaur fight over in that one docuseries

[crude latch]

Ourano?

[wintry path]

YEAH

[copper flame]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[wintry path]

the goat eyes are so unnerving

[copper flame]

joshua knuppe edmontosaurus uuuuuuuuh crested

[wintry path]

do you think its effective

[copper flame]

imma test you goose

[wintry path]

ok

[elfin dragon]

ano has goat eyes in pot

[copper flame]

whats the name of the sauropod thats build like JACK HORNER

[crude latch]

Uuuuuuuuuuh

Alamo?

[copper flame]

nope

[elfin dragon]

Brachytrachelopan

[copper flame]

nuh uh

[wintry path]

WBAT IS THIS

[crude latch]

Brachytrachelopan, aka the best Sauropod ever

[elfin dragon]

this is a true statement

[copper flame]

nah that goes to futalognkosaurus

[wintry path]

looking at yet another medium-large therapod getting added into pot (everything else is underrepresented)

[crude latch]

Nah

[wintry path]

sauropod number 17374848

[elfin dragon]

ngl futalognkosaurus sounds like it could be subways signature dinosaur

[copper flame]

WHEN ARE THEY ADDING MY BOY MURUSRAPTOR
(or kileskus)

btw the dinosaur build like jack horner was atlasaurus

[elfin dragon]

wtf

well atlasaurus has a neck longer neck

and jack horner doesnt have one lol

[copper flame]

scalers when footprint

on a real note why tf did they give this thing a name

[elfin dragon]

wth

[copper flame]

BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
AINT NO WAY AINT NO WAY

how is this not dinosauria indet

[elfin dragon]

there was a fossil discovered in Australia that could actually be rapator that was nicknamed "lightning claw"

[copper flame]

uuuuuuuuuuuh

[velvet burrow]

Brachytrachelopan my beloved

[sullen cairn]

finally decided to shove into hartman's skeletal scale that wahweap cf. brachylophosaurus maxilla ft. scalebars and lythronax

[copper flame]

vut is this fore

[sullen cairn]

boredom

[copper flame]

do a little bit of my dm request please

[topaz shell]

What if every mammal just suddenly disappeared

[stiff osprey]

we wouldn't find out because we'd be in the backrooms along with the other mammals

[woeful falcon]

Can't say I'm keen on that scenario

[velvet burrow]

I am

[heady thunder]

No more fortnite

[crude latch]

The sharks will finally take back control and play Fortnite for themselves

[peak jetty]

Blessed timeline. Here I am having to worry and stress about absurd, invented concepts like "finances" and "civilization" because some goddamn cynodont just HAD to be special and not die.

[frosty cedar]

I think it's pretty decent too. I also like the fact how it combines ALL spinosaurus features, like it can be bipedal, quadropedal, and it also swims.

[peak jetty]

It's fantastic, and beautifully animated. Though I prefer it's other skin that lacks the distinct "croc" scales.

[serene birch]

torvosaurus vs tarbosaurus would be an awesome fight

[delicate pelican]

was this nose part of gryposaurus covered in scales or keratin? I am having a art crisis cause it could be either

[outer tusk]

you should known thi by now!!! jk but what animal is it suppose to be

[wintry path]

thats a hadrosaur oboviiosisuslyyy

[flat pond]

Now I’m curious as if we was to get an official high browsing sauropod, which of these options would be the most likely?

[wintry path]

sonorasaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

opis is better

[wintry path]

opis is short

[pulsar galleon]

Is there anything known on the diet of Shastasaurus sikanniensis? I’ve heard it considered a macropredator due to relatives Shonisaurus and Himalayasaurus being macropredatory but I thought we didn’t have a complete skull for S. sikanniensis so we can’t exactly tell?

[loud python]

I'd suggest scales since that's where the fleshy part of the nose is.

[bright veldt]

We don’t really have an idea. Macropredation is the assumed but it’s just that, an assumption. It could easily not be.

[scenic flame]

it's impossible to know what would be most likely choosen by the devs

[tulip dove]

Choose the sauropod with the least fossil material

[stiff osprey]

Maraapunisaurus, it has zero material

[warped peak]

"Bruhathkayosaurus":

[stiff osprey]

Yes I suppose that would be a tie

[serene birch]

im going to call that natures bruh moment as some random dude from 2023 said that that thing could be over 150 tons

[white matrix]

Guys what would be stronger a bull sperm whale or the maximum size of a livyatan

[zinc solstice]

I wonder what if the reason basal non conodont fish evolved bony armor was that they were in an evolutionary arms race with faster Ordovician eurypteryds with spikes on their front arms so basal non conodont fish like arandaspis evolved bony armor to make it harder to be stabbed and eaten and when eurypteryds with claws evolved some basal fish group that is the last common ancestor of all modern fish cephalospidomorphans evolved their bony head shield that would one day give rise to the fins of placoderms and some galeaspids split off some other galeaspids that would give rise to the osteostracans and speaking of osteostracans they evolved a more flat arrow like bony head shield to make it harder to be grabbed by eurypteryds with claws and eaten

[warped peak]

Depends on what size they are but most likely Livyatan. Sperm Whales aren't exactly built for big game hunting anymore

[white matrix]

That’s what I said but some guy said sperm whale would eat it😭

[warped peak]

Sperm Whale is almost definitely bigger but... they're basically just Suction feeders at this point

[white matrix]

Imo I think that there will be a new species of livyatan that will be gigantic almost as big as a blue whale

[stiff osprey]

I mean what is strength? Is it who would win in a 1v1? Because yeah probably Livyatan. But a bull sperm whale has more muscle mass in total, so it would be stronger

It's just not got the jaws to take on things its own size

[native kindle]

hey nerds, what was Cryolophosaurus size wise like? im seeing a lot of 7m but also that it's an immature specimen, so i wanted to ask the smart people

[bright veldt]

8 meters

[native kindle]

is there any reliable sources for it? i trust you, just wanted to know if there was anything

[light osprey]

Immature specimen +1 metre

[native kindle]

so it's definitely immature, and definitely around 7 meters? gotcha

[bright veldt]

Lemme grab a skeletal

[native kindle]

wow those words are ineligible😭 but i appreciate it!

[bright veldt]

Mobile copy-paste I apologize. It’s by Alpha08 using another reference I can’t make out there.

[native kindle]

i searched that name and got an nsfw twitter profile

[stiff osprey]

'cryolophosaurus ellioti skeletal edit by alpha8
original something something by Michael Hanson'

ah, original skeletal base made by Michael Hanson

[bright veldt]

Cheers

[somber nebula]

Early macropredatory theropods were so weird, never realized its legs were kind of short for its body size, its been depicted so frequently as a lithe, agile, almost "raptor" like creature in popular media (Dinosaur Revolution, Dinotasia, Primal Carnage, JWE2).

[bright veldt]

Early theropods were short and long

[zinc solstice]

Maybe same might be for early Herrerasaurids and early sauropodomorphs?

[somber nebula]

Same generally was true for sauropodmorphs, who were very long and possessed kind of stubby legs, Herrerasaurus, and the rest of Herrerasauridae were decently leggy as early dinosaurs go.

[zinc solstice]

Random but Wasn't being Leggy ancestral to ornithodira

I mean the proof is that lagosuchids the most basal dinosauromorphs and lagerpeptids the most basal pterosauromorphs were very leggy and something random the reason they look identical might be because at the time they recently split from a common ancestor at the time

[somber nebula]

Yeah, for the most part. Herrerasaurids didn't really have a reason to evolve out of leggy-ness since it was one of their main advantages over other archosaurians and synapsids, early Sauropodmorphs did since they weren't using their long legs for speed anymore, and began to evolve into stockier builds

[stiff osprey]

Having a long neck and head was probably advantageous for catching medium-sized vertebrates, and a long tail to counterbalance the head and neck. So that may be why early theropods quickly became long

[zinc solstice]

Also something random I noticed in the fossil record the closer you get to a groups common ancestor the more alike they look and there are tons of examples

[stiff osprey]

After they evolved to start taking things similar to their own size they started becoming more compact to optimize the amount of bite per body size

[somber nebula]

Most things evolve from a common ancestor, and it takes time to evolve from that common ancestor, there's a reason why some people think that some Herrerasaurids may have just been early Theropod-relatives, while some were early Sauropod-relatives

[zinc solstice]

Also I wonder are anchiornithids just basal troodontids or stem birds? Like anchiornithids do have troodontid like sickle claws and most recently phylogenys place them as stem troodontids

[sullen cairn]

the "low and long" gross morphology of these early theropods would be taken to its natural progression as the largest theropods of the early jurassic became sauropodomorphs (see sinosaurus shawanensis and dandakosaurus)

[stiff osprey]

even in the late jurassic, enlightened authors are aware that the mighty torvosaurus was actually a sauropodomorph

[zinc solstice]

This is satire obviously for people who don't get it

[somber nebula]

Never knew Eustreptospondylus and Elaphrosaurus were actually relatives of Plateosaurus, I think I have reached an epiphany in my knowledge of dinosaur evolution, and have learned of a trade-secret of the paleontological community.

[zinc solstice]

All organisms come from a common ancestor)

[somber nebula]

Yes, and what you said completely went over my head lmao

[zinc solstice]

Sarcasm 100%

[somber nebula]

Also, Sinosaurus was pretty deep into Theropoda, currently being considered an early member of Tetanurae related to Cryolophosaurus, unless I'm also falling for a joke again, then it's 100% an early sauropodmorph

[zinc solstice]

It's obvious that synapsids are just archosauromorphs

[stiff osprey]

Sinosaurus triassicus is a theropod, Sinosaurus shawanensis is a chimera of theropod and sauropodomorph bone that was said to be a 9m dilophosaur

[somber nebula]

Did you know I'm actually a highly derived, extant species of archosauromorph??? (my cousin is an alligator, and my sister is a pigeon)

[zinc solstice]

Spinosaurus are aliens that died on earth during a war with the ornithischian carcharadontosaurus and humans are gibbons

[lavish frigate]

Nah I come from a rare ancestor

[zinc solstice]

And Andrewsarchus is just a giant tenrec

[somber nebula]

We're all giant tenrecs*

[zinc solstice]

Gibbons are actually conodonts and pterosaurs are lepidosaurs

[lavish frigate]

David peters is that you?!

[zinc solstice]

How did you know...

Homotherium is also a saber toothed dog

[lavish frigate]

….

[somber nebula]

Canids are actually Megalosauroids, I came to this conclusion due to the upper maxillary structure of my dog resembling that of the Megalosaurid Wiehenvenator albati, and his propensity for swimming reminiscent of various Spinosaurids, I've currently found that Canis familiaris actually falls in Ceratosuchopsini.

[zinc solstice]

Venetoraptor is a cynodont

[jagged trellis]

this....creature appears in here every odd month

[lavish frigate]

Peters longisquama I assume?

[somber nebula]

💀 Oh god...

[jagged trellis]

yea the peter, the unfunny one

[somber nebula]

What does he think filled the niche of Pterosaurs during the mesozoic? Birds? Who only diversified to the degree to fill those niches in the latter portions of the Cretaceous?

The thought of avian azdharchid-analogues does sound awesome tbh

[stiff osprey]

Still pterosaurs, just not the like 3 taxa of giant azhdarchid

[zinc solstice]

What if because jungles are terrible for fosillization imagine because jungles usually have unique and epic and weird fauna all the organisms there that are lost to time

[stiff osprey]

Honestly any doubt towards azhdarchids's ability to fly is silly, because literally the first remains discovered of them were their wings. If they were flightless they would have reduced wings like every secondarily flightless vertebrate. Instead they have the biggest wings of any animal

[sullen cairn]

something something peramorphosis

[zinc solstice]

Imagine how big a flightless pterosaur could get with how big hatz and quetz are while still being able to fly

[stiff osprey]

clearly at the same time as they became flightless they diverted their wings to use for display, making the males who could carry the largest stretch of useless wing finger the most attractive...

[sullen cairn]

nature is simply incredible....

[somber nebula]

B-but their size means they were too heavy and fat to fly!!!!!! They must've been at most arboreal!!!!!!

[sullen cairn]

i would prefer flightless azhdarchids so much more than arboreal azhdarchids

[stiff osprey]

arboreal quetzalcoatlus is definitely one of the artpieces ever

Also, reminder of how awesome Peters's art was before he went insane

He made that Quetz pic

[somber nebula]

Honestly, the concept of large, secondarily flightless Pterosaurs is a fun one. Keenan Taylor's science-fantasy spec-evo project The Illustrated Menagerie has a few species of secondarily flightless Tapejarids, with a couple species mirroring primate evolution culminating in a sentient Tapejarid species.

[zinc solstice]

99 percent of animals never fossilize so also imagine all the cool species that are lost to time

[somber nebula]

With art like this, I think he was always insane, I know it wasn't 100% confirmed that dromaeosaurids were feathered at the time this was made (1996), but it is still very cursed, especially because of the very pronounced nether regions.

[somber nebula]

Sentient, humanoid descendants of Suminia??? (They didn't fossilize because they went into space)

[zinc solstice]

Imagine all of the missing links that never fossilized and animals that break records of biggest land or aquatic or flying animal ever

[stiff osprey]

For the 90s, this was the peak of anatomical accuracy. Most paleoartists back then barely looked at the skeletons before/while drawing

Greg Paul, Peters, and Bakker (there are more but I forgor) were the exceptions

oh no the censor got table

[sullen cairn]

i think that's more of dromaeosaurids have stupid looking pubises

god forbid someone says plural of pubis

[somber nebula]

Same thing happened to me when I said the scientific name of H. habilis, I get why it was censored, but its still a bit annoying

[stiff osprey]

Shoutout to the censor at one of the SVP events who censored the word "bone"

[sullen cairn]

i want to send the megaraptor censor thing but i think mods would kill me

[somber nebula]

Also, thanks for reminding me of Greg Paul, his art was the coolest thing to me when I was younger. Him and Wayne Barlowe are some of my all-time favorite paleoartists just for the nostalgia factor alone.

[sullen cairn]

greg paul skinwalker yutyrannus

[compact leaf]

rip

[sullen cairn]

wow what a nice rajasaurus i sure hope it's not 5x its actual size

[zinc solstice]

Random thing you didn't need to know: diplocaulus is closer to you than to platyhystrix as it is a reptiliomorph

[sullen cairn]

i keep thinking people saying "random" are referring to random and i get very confused

[somber nebula]

I'm beginning to think "Random" is just like, their catchphrase

[sullen cairn]

stegotitanus...

[outer tusk]

I want someone to so badly remake this, it's so gas

[fallow citrus]

one does not simply remake perfection, darling

[outer tusk]

what

[errant iron]

Hey everyone! I’m doing a commission for a Rex pfp, and I’m trying to do realistic scaling. Here, I’m referencing Sue’s life reconstruction. How is it so far?

[west coral]

short end of the stick

[light osprey]

Lmao

Twink Titanosaur support group

[sullen cairn]

who's who they all look the same

[halcyon cobalt]

they are different colours

[copper flame]

whos who tho

[copper flame]

stego what

[crude latch]

Well the red ones Jimmy then there’s Greg, Gerald, Charles, etc

[copper flame]

whats the big yellow one

[crude latch]

lil Timmy

[copper flame]

no but fr tho what dinosaur is that

[halcyon cobalt]

what the guac

[halcyon cobalt]

7

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-rizz-rizz-face-puppet-rizz-fnaf-puppet-rizz-gif-3973047823575365444

[crude latch]

Lil Timmy

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ayo-bro-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-soinc-old-sonic-mania-gif-25874592

[crude latch]

What?

[halcyon cobalt]

holy macaroni!

[copper flame]

indeed

[serene moat]

What's the size for the agathaumus, cuz Wikipedia says it's a 17 ton ceratopsian then other pages say it's a fckn 6ton hadrosaur💀💀 so which one is it

[copper flame]

it doesn't exist

[crude latch]

Whatever you want it to be

[copper flame]

it it quite literally a triceratops

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[copper flame]

literally a synonym for triceratops
its 6 to 8 tons

[fallow plank]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[serene moat]

So it's just a fancy way of saying triceratops??

[woeful falcon]

Basically. It was its own taxon, but now considered dubious and generally regarded as a triceratops

[sullen cairn]

me when i'm in a not having postcranial characters competition and my opponent is ceratopsidae

[serene moat]

ohhh, damn how come some sites say it's a whole ass hadrosaur😭 like ts had me lost lol

[bright veldt]

Agathaumus doesn't exist. It was one of the like thousand bone wars taxa that turned out to just be a clone of something else (In this case, Triceratops). Only reason it's relevant is because the paleoart from the time slapped. Don't treat it like an actual taxa. At this point in pop culture it's basically a fictional retrosaur.

[serene moat]

Oh that explains

[sullen cairn]

tbf if someone decided to actually acknowledge that ceratopsid postcrania is a thing that exists you could probably revive agathaumas and kill some other unlucky lance taxon in the process

but that's never going to happen

although ideally we end up with a. sylvestris and a. peterhewsi

[copper flame]

It's good but I'd suggest a straighter lip of birds and other archosaurs
the squamate lip is fine but id use a different dyapsid lip structure (like a crocodile skink) instead of a komodo dragon
id also suggest to make the nasal crest at the top of its snout to lighter because if im not mistaken it is part of a tyrannosaurs crest

you can use my tanked quality carchar for a ref I guess

just dont give it komodo lips if your going for 100% accuracy

id also suggest the lip scales of alligators and crocodiles, but just make them shorter

[tough parcel]

I'm back and ready to dismantle things

[copper flame]

W

largest sauropodomorph with good remains anyone?

[tough parcel]

I'm.........:)))))))))))))))))))))

I REALLY WISH THEY'D TELL ME WHAT WORD :))))))))))))))))))))))

[sullen cairn]

depending on your definition of "good" prolly either argentinosaurus or patagotitan

[sullen cairn]

:::))))))!!!11

[copper flame]

bipedal clawed sauropods

not sauropods
should I say prosauropods?

[tough parcel]

WHAT, I SAID NOTHJIN BAD, THER WAS NTHOING

I'm going to lose it, I am actually going to go ballistic

[sullen cairn]

yunnanosaurus youngi maybe?

[tribal sandal]

Hello!, Your messages may be getting Removed due to our Bot,
please try to rephrase your message avoiding the sensitive words

[tough parcel]

I found the word and I understand the censor, but also it's the correct terminology so

[sullen cairn]

skill issue

[tough parcel]

So ONE MORE TIME

There is no such thing as a realistic scale texture beyond a generalization. The commonly cited evidence for different texture on the snout (the maxilla pits) do not show up on every tyrannosaur, heck, not even every Tyrannosaurus rex

[sullen cairn]

erm... prehistoric planet..?

[copper flame]

also id probably change also but thats up to you and all
but I think you should connect the brow crests and kinda make it.... fade out around the bottom, like this! (artist uuuuuuuuuh idk I think its the publisher of the paper im reading abby crawford)

[woeful falcon]

Could prolly reduce the size of the lacrimals ye?

[copper flame]

just use archosaur scales

[tough parcel]

No

[copper flame]

its an archosaur tho
not a squamate

[tough parcel]

Still no because crocodiles are incredibly derived to the point they should not be referenced for oral integument

And birds have beaks

[sullen cairn]

wouldn't phylogenetic bracketing indicate tyrannosaurus had a beak

[copper flame]

back lips

[copper flame]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh velociraptor moment

[woeful falcon]

Okay the mods need to tone down the bot because I barely use the english language with it

[bright veldt]

lips are just kinda the default condition in terrestrial vertebrates, there's no reason to suggest they didnt have them outside of bias

[woeful falcon]

Isn't the face integument of crocs not actually scales

[copper flame]

water

[frosty tree]

Yeah there's more benefits for lips, and its likley that lips are ancestral to reptiles as a whole as only certain groups lack them and most that do have beaks and no teeth lmao

[woeful falcon]

Took me 3 times to figure out which word was triggering the bot

[bright veldt]

Less that and more that the integument on the face doesn't NOT allow lips, they just don't have them for unrelated reasons

[woeful falcon]

Literally not even what I'm talking about

[bright veldt]

the land crocs of the triassic were probably lipped

[woeful falcon]

In response to this

[copper flame]

as much as I like squamate lipped rex ill just take flat lipped rex for the most part

[bright veldt]

I like how I can say crap but not double hockey sticks

[copper flame]

crappy

[woeful falcon]

Anyway this was already conveyed but to reiterate, there isn't an archosaur still alive that we can really refer to for rex face scales and such

[frosty tree]

Me too, big flat scales on theropods seems unlikely from the skin impressions we have, it looks like they either had some sort of keratinous beak like thing seen on the php raptors, or soft lips made of skin and small round scales

[copper flame]

bird leg scales?
and the lips at the back of a birds jaw?

[stray wren]

Yeah there's more benefits to lips than not. It's reasonable to assume most if not all non-beak having dinosaurs had them, and considering some turtles have a beak and lips covering it, maybe even some with beaks

[woeful falcon]

In what dimension do you live in where you should use the scales of a bird's foot to reconstruct a Tyrannosaurus's face

[lavish frigate]

I love how we got stuck in the darkest timeline where all our archosaurs are extremely derived to the point we can’t use their physical appearance to make any judgement about past archosaurs

Other than like….feathers

[copper flame]

at this point we should just agree that all terrestrial theropods and most dinosaurs in general
had lips and or beaks

[woeful falcon]

I think most animals have lips don't they

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/nixour-bfdi-bfb-greedy-greedy-dance-gif-11633986782032076568

[frosty tree]

Yeah and if you choose to reconstruct them without, you aren't wrong just a little outdated

[bright veldt]

If it means anything, I believe beaks and teeth can't mix.

[frosty tree]

Despite pterosaurs and birds having both

[bright veldt]

Not beaked in the modern bird sense, if still beak-like

So you have wierd stuff like hesperornis only being partially beaked

[frosty tree]

Dsungaripterids, ludodactylus, rhamporynuchus, icthyornithids, pelagornis(beak teeth)

[copper flame]

no teeth but close enough

[lavish frigate]

Please someone inform me what toothed pterosaurs had I keep hearing this and getting EXTREMELY cursed images from my imagination

[bright veldt]

I mean a jaw can still look like a beak without literally being a beak. Beaks as we know them are keratinized.

[copper flame]

sharp needle like teeth

[woeful falcon]

Don't those pterosaurs not have actual beaks

And those that do don't have teeth

[frosty tree]

What do you mean partially beaked? Are you referring to the soft lip like structure at the back of the mouth? In pretty sure all birds have that

[bright veldt]

Here's a more detailed example. Only really the front half of the top jaw is a proper beak.

[copper flame]

.........
a beaks a beak man
pterosaurs have beaks, just not curved ones like hooks

[lavish frigate]

I have a sudden urge to touch this guys mouth…..what will it feel like….

[copper flame]

thats gonna hurt

[woeful falcon]

What if its not a beak, what if its all skin

[bright veldt]

It can look like a beak without literally being a beak

[lavish frigate]

Not the teeth. Just the….umm….beak mouth?

[frosty tree]

Are you talking about the rictus?(cheek of birds)

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ayo-bro-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-soinc-old-sonic-mania-gif-25874592

[bright veldt]

No. LOOK at the image closely. Only the top half of the top jaw is an actual beak. The rest isn't.

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-metal-sonic-sonic-ova-sega-gif-23938076

[woeful falcon]

Never mind pterosaurs, where does this come from

[stray wren]

Pterosaur "teeth" arent teeth in the sense that they don't have enamel (I think)

[copper flame]

spinosaurus

[frosty tree]

Oooh i see that now, thanks for clarification, im pretty sure some modern birds are like that but ill have to check

[tough parcel]

Nowhere, blud is makin it up

[bright veldt]

Rhamphorhynchus as another example

[woeful falcon]

I've never heard that about spinosaurus ever, and its far from a dinosaur I would ever hear that from

A fish eater with an affinity for water

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/tails-doll-walking-away-sonic-r-sonic-exe-gif-3429236758122465153

[frosty tree]

I'm pretty sure there's theropods face impressions right? From carno or something

[tough parcel]

No

[copper flame]

spinosaurus has lips and my proof is a fish

[woeful falcon]

I feel like we'd see a lot more beaked carno's if that was the case

[copper flame]

I highly doubt most theropods outside of birds had beaks

[frosty tree]

Probably small circular scaled lips like that seen on php, Probably only the small derived coleurosaurs had beak like structures above their teeth

[crude latch]

I got a ping, y’all talking bout mouths

[stray wren]

I mean, a bunch of non bird theropods had beaks

[copper flame]

dinosaur lips lmao

[woeful falcon]

Why would coelurosaurs evolve beak like structures in place of lips if ancestrally they already had lips

[frosty tree]

Mostly onithiscians though

[frosty tree]

Lips can get infected and irritated when hunting and when infected can alter the animals ability to hunt

[woeful falcon]

That can be said for anything with lips ever

Yet they persist

[frosty tree]

Yes but maybe it was a bigger problem with dinosaurs specifically

[woeful falcon]

Then why did only coelurosaurs evolve it

[frosty tree]

I mean mammals have very soft and floppy lips that don't get in the way all that much, while reptiles have immobile lips that cover the teeth

[stray wren]

Nah, infection would be more prevalent without lips

[frosty tree]

Infection by cuts when bitten or scratched on the lips

[copper flame]

as well as brittle teeth and bad dental

[frosty tree]

I'm saying beaks would be better because they can cover the teeth the same as lips but also provide more protection

[stray wren]

Lips are there to keep your teeth moist, protected, and keep your gum tissue safe as well. It's easier to fight off an infection on your lips then it is to fight off an infected tooth

[tough parcel]

Are we actually having this conversation

[woeful falcon]

You see the point I'm getting at though, its a leap of logic to think that coelurosaurs at large didn't have lips when ancestrally speaking they did, especially if the reasoning didn't evolve independently in other carnivorous theropod lineages or other animals in general. Idk why mouth infection would be especially worse for dinosaurs

[tough parcel]

Bro has NOT seen what big cats do to each other in fights

Or really any other large mammalian carnivore...

[frosty tree]

Bro is not adding anything important to this discussion

[stray wren]

Beaks and teeth also cannot exist in tandem, on the same bone. There's a reason most animals with beaks only have teeth in the backs of the mouth, where they're conveniently covered by cheeks and kept moist

[copper flame]

what would be the extent of said beak on theropods?
are we talking php beaks or bird beaks?

[frosty tree]

Php beaks ofc, definitely not huge beaks on large theropods, only small dromaeosaurid type dinosaurs

[tough parcel]

I am because I just mentioned that big cats (and large mammalian carnivores) fight bloody and brutal, just like theropods. They have no difference when it comes to wounds. If you search for any sort of severe face wounds in large carnivores today, you will find bloody and torn lips. Weirdly enough, lions and co. don't have beaks or no lips

[woeful falcon]

Falcon you talk with smart people, do you have an idea where the "pseudo-beak" like so stems from

[tough parcel]

I heard something on it, but it was legitimately so long ago, I cannot remember anything beyond that it was mentioned, I apologize

[stray wren]

Just fun speculation, wouldn't call it a beak, just some keratinized skin

[woeful falcon]

This is all your fault.

[stray wren]

Beak implies that it's a structure supported by a bone. This is just some keratinized lips

[frosty tree]

Yeah I can't think of a word other than beak lmao its a keratin sheathe over the mouth, but at the same time they have teeth so its a pseudo beak thingy lmao

[tough parcel]

Also, this is a point that I never see being acknowledged:

Why are theropods the only terrestrial predatory vertebrate group that would have no lips/beaks out of every single terrestrial predatory vertebrate group to ever exist?

RIIIIP, Table lemme DM you the word

[copper flame]

BROW CREST BROW CREST BROW CREST BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEST

[frosty tree]

Huh

[tough parcel]

That is not what they're talking about...?

[sullen cairn]

i again find myself contemplating whether theropod face integument or carcharodontosaurid size discussions are more grating

[copper flame]

keratain sheeth

[frosty tree]

Because they are extinct and have no real modern counterparts probably

[copper flame]

birds

[tough parcel]

Face integument because at least carcharodontosaurids, you can go "Well we need more material" while theropod face integument is very straightforward of "They didn't need to lose them"

[frosty tree]

Birds have beaks and aren't anything like non avian theropods

[tough parcel]

Anyways, you can say that for Dimetrodon (whatever their family name is), rauisuchians, phytosaurs, gorgonopsids, etc

[frosty tree]

Not exactly

[copper flame]

feathers, foot scales, and extended claws

[frosty tree]

They have some modern counterparts or relatives

[tough parcel]

What modern counterparts or relatives exist of gorgonopsids? Dimetrodon? Rauisuchians?

They are just as much of an outlier as theropods are

[stray wren]

The answer is they don't, all are dead lineages with no modern descendants

[frosty tree]

Modern mammals
Hear me out

[copper flame]

no

[tough parcel]

What

So...rauisuchians...are modern mammals

[frosty tree]

I was mostly replying to dimetrodon

[stray wren]

Synapsid =/= Modern Mammal Analog

[tough parcel]

Cool, but that doesn't reply to anything else I said then. That leaves ~3 more examples that you didn't answer

[stray wren]

Dimetrodon and all of its relatives are no more related to you than Tiktaalik was

[frosty tree]

Gorgonopsids are also related to mammals, more so than dimetrodon

[tough parcel]

Ok but they're still distantly related

[frosty tree]

Never said they weren't

Gorgonopsids and dimetrodon, etc can be compared to mammals because they are a similar size, not super distant, and share similar niches

They are close, meanwhile theropods have almost no modern analogs besides modern dinosaurs themselves

So its more likley that they would be assumed to have lips while theropods wouldn't because they are so distantly in almost every aspect from modern animals

[tough parcel]

Sure, in the sense of size and niche (which ties into size), but in the over-arching picture, they do not differ from overall ecology compared to large modern mammalian carnivores

[frosty tree]

All I'm saying is that it's easier to believe they had lips rather than the giant 10 ton lizards in some wyas

[tough parcel]

This is the most society reasoning I have ever seen. It's 1:20am, I just got my chest stomped in by a mugger in an alleyway, so Ima sleep. Blub, Table, Pi, have fun Ily all 💕

[woeful falcon]

Why would it be assumed theropods didn't have lips at all

What animal without some sort of specialized adaption just doesn't have lips for seemingly no reason

[copper flame]

im tired so @sullen cairn can you just scale the willow creek tyrannosaurus for me please

[frosty tree]

It is, thats what you where asking, right?

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-goodbye-chat-penguinz0-gif-20222640

[woeful falcon]

Don't include the obvious here, you know what I mean to say

[frosty tree]

Yeah thats my reasoning for theropods lips

Why wouldn't they have them? Its just a good choice evolutionary wise, it protects the teeth and mouth(only way for vertebrates to get energy) and it helps with touch and sensation

In the case of something like crocs their mouths are super sensitive without lips because of the tissue they have, and they live in water so its always moist, also they don't need protection because they have super strong skin and immune systems

Good night everybody, nice talking and I'm glad we all sorta came to a conclusion if thats what you wanna call it

[woeful falcon]

Afaik ancestrally speaking they would have had them, so then it becomes a question of "why did it lose them"

Which, features like that don't seem to just spontaneously disappear

[frosty tree]

Already kinda went over it, beaks help protect the face, and are lighter than teeth so flight is easier, beaks are also more accurate.

They also didn't spontaneously dissappear. Both pterosaurs and birds have beaded and toothed variants and even some with both beaks and teeth

[woeful falcon]

You are confusing me, 2 comments ago you said "that's my reasoning for theropod lips"

[frosty tree]

As in megatheropods not avians

[frosty tree]

Megatheropods didn't evolve flight to my knowledge so lips are a good thing

[woeful falcon]

Well, yeah. But who's arguing about avians having beaks or not

Ofc they had beaks, they're birds. They still got em

[frosty tree]

Thought you just asked about the spontaneous transition

[woeful falcon]

Oh no that's my b. I was still talking about non avians

[frosty tree]

Yeah you asked why they would evolve them and I just gave my feedback in that

[woeful falcon]

Me

Yeah no I just meant in general for why nonavian theropods would lack lips as some think. Or hell, just tyrannosaurs, why would lips disappear from that group

Usually the conversation likes to revolve around tyrannosaurs

These are rhetorical questions btw

[frosty tree]

Ooh, my bad. Probably because the people who hate lips are jp fanboys

I know they are. I'm just trying to make some excuse for the non lip believers but their reasoning cannot be justified lol

[woeful falcon]

Anyway new topic this one kinda stunk

[frosty tree]

Nah I gotta sleep(game with the boys)

[sullen cairn]

there's a skeletally mature maiasaura with a 75cm tibia for some reason

meanwhile there's older still-growing individuals that would be like 175% the mass

[sullen cairn]

i'm mildly concerned that if i include any individuals larger than the smallest individual with an efs (which includes at least a few still-growing individuals) then maiasaura's average size isn't even 7.5m, but even if i only include individuals with an efs the average still stays like 7.5m

[sullen cairn]

kudos to the 1000kg skeletally mature maiasaura you have my pity

[woeful falcon]

Late cretaceous herbivores when the local tyrannosaur is a behemoth

[sullen cairn]

imagine it in musth...

[halcyon cobalt]

well you see, hadrosaurs are far more aggressive than they are portrayed in media. they are totally not fodder smh and the average hadrosaur would totally beat the average tyrannosaur easily /s

[white matrix]

Mouse trap vs hydrolic press

[errant iron]

AND YET I have to TRY

[outer tusk]

stop trying

[errant iron]

No

[errant iron]

Ok so yeah, I did do the lips sort of accurately. Saw their images

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/botaabucetanareta-gato-thumbsup-cat-thumbs-up-cursed-cat-memes-gif-27055621

[sullen tinsel]

short faced bear mod when

[tough parcel]

Fair enough tbh, but also I feel you don’t need to hurt yourself by doing the scales that small

You can always do something like this haha

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/958929093284487189/1213491916776280114/diversity-14-00973-g003.png?ex=65f5ab6a&is=65e3366a&hm=682c34ede5566eab4b39911d0df8baa2551a6e142b70ac562a5cf14cd2efcc60&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=568&height=676 is this accurate by any chance

[snow python]

Is there any size estimations for BYUVP 12893?

[copper flame]

I always forget how wide the jaws of theropods could open

its so damn cool

makes me wanna to play cerato now

[errant iron]

Ok fair. I’ll do that for some small segments

[tough parcel]

Yea, I know the pain of scales and seeing what you were doing made my hand hurt

[errant iron]

So what areas would be best to have those

Nasal area for one. Also the area around the back of the mandibles?

[tough parcel]

Nasal area is likely keratin

Can you repost the art, so sorry 😭

[errant iron]

I’m sry… WHAT. The same thing in fingernails.. is in there?

[tough parcel]

Yea?

Give me a moment to redline

As in a real moment cause I'm also playing BoB haha

[heady thunder]

Isnt BoB bad for thy health?

[tough parcel]

Oh 100%, as is any dino game, but I play anyways

[stiff osprey]

Lots of things are keratin, just depends on how it's arranged/how thick it is

Scales, feathers, regular skin

[tough parcel]

Shush, I'm the expert now, you are a underling

(Please don't leave, I need your intelligence)

[stiff osprey]

Excuse me, I am a sideling

Which side? I don't know yet

[tough parcel]

The left is trying to wimpify our dinosaurs........

[errant iron]

I’m going to ignore that, and just make that area leathery

[tough parcel]

But that's not...correct 😭 also it wouldn't look like fingernails

[errant iron]

I never said that. I just said make it look leathery. Or just no visible scales

[stable olive]

What kind of beak did pachycephalosaurus have?

[tough parcel]

Wdym

[lucid ibex]

TRAUMA RESURFACED YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF THIS GUY IN A COMMENT SECTION A PREHISTORIC PLANET VIDEO WHO, DEADASS, DESCRIBED DINOSAUR. FACIAL. EXPRESSIONS. AS. WOKE.

[stable olive]

I heard somewhere that the pachy only had a beak on the lower jaw, but I feel like that's wrong

[stiff osprey]

Wasn't that an unironic news headline about the DePalma Hell Creek documentary?

[tough parcel]

@errant iron

[stiff osprey]

Making T.rex woke or something

[outer tusk]

ngl for old paleoart, this Lythronax is pretty gas

[lucid ibex]

“ Grrr the LIBERALS are turning my MANLY and COOL dinosaurs WOKE “

[tough parcel]

Considering Pachy is horribly described (as in very little), not sure we can say for 100% certain. Last I checked though, it only had a lower beak because it has a beak bone there, but not for the upper jaw tho @stiff osprey can decimate me if wrong

[stiff osprey]

I'm not certain about it either, the space for an upper beak in Pachy is very small because it has premaxillary teeth

But also having a lower beak with no upper beak doesn't make sense why would you do that

[compact leaf]

keratinized lip/pseudo beak on the upper jaw is kind of the way to go at this point, it’s safest

[tough parcel]

Erm...Stegosaurus...........

[errant iron]

Already changed the snout tip, moved the nose, and fused the bosses. No further requests to change the shape

[tough parcel]

?

[errant iron]

Just tell me about the scaling in some regions

[tough parcel]

Ah, I mean it's up to you, I already showed my example. Anatomical, I showed you my edits

[errant iron]

Just how would YOU do the scaling. I’m up for suggestions

I’m already had my mouthful with Sue’s reconstruction

[tough parcel]

I showed you my Alberto example that's how I'd do it

Oh my god, another """"""""""""study""""""""""""

(It's a load of bullcrap)

[light osprey]

Pretty sure that’s just a dude making sounds through a voice changer

[hazy bison]

You sure?

[tough parcel]

It is

There is no way to find what any dinosaur sounded like outside of crested hadrosaurs

[hazy bison]

There is

we can speculate

[light osprey]

The Hadrosaur….

[deft sigil]

A reminder that this channel is for educational purposes. Please do not post off-topic memes or troll in here, all memes must be in direct relation to Path of Titans and posted in #pot-memes only. Refer to all our pinned guidelines in every channel you plan to use.

[hazy bison]

Bro what

[tough parcel]

Yes, speculate is the important term. The videos you posted are not speculation. They are presenting their noises as fact when in reality, they are completely made-up with no scientific basis whatsoever

[hazy bison]

Every dinosaur sound reconstruction is made up

[light osprey]

Except for when they aren’t

[tough parcel]

^ As I said, we can know a pretty good approximation for crested hadrosaurs as their nasal passages were likely the way they generated sound (by blowing air through them)

[outer tusk]

The sound is cool but I hate it's usaged

[light osprey]

This is real cheeky of me but Vegavis also has unambiguous indication of Anseriform-like sounds too

[outer tusk]

what is the sound even made of

[outer tusk]

who?

[light osprey]

Mesozoic birb

[hazy bison]

does this sound legit to yall? needa make sure

cuz i took them from yt

[tough parcel]

No because none of them are legit (besides the crested hadrosaurs)

Even then, YT videos are horrid sources of info

[outer tusk]

this doesn't sound legit at all 💀

the quatily and the soundbox is so bad it doesn't sound like a real animal

[hazy bison]

I mean it sounds kinda scary

[outer tusk]

it doesn't like at all

I make better dinosaur sounds anyways

[hazy bison]

So you made that?

[outer tusk]

I didn't say I made that

[hazy bison]

didn't read your message well

[tough parcel]

Doesn't matter if it sounds scary unless you're designing some form of dinosaur media (Movie, game, etc)

[outer tusk]

I did try copy the sound of a kiwi and it sounds bad

[hazy bison]

what about this one

[outer tusk]

Dreambully?

[hazy bison]

?

wdym

[stiff osprey]

These are so goofy oml

[tough parcel]

I am going insane, they keep posting the same kind of videos and we keep saying the exact same thing

[zinc solstice]

Is it wrong that many websites put placodermi in condrychthes? (I spelt it wrong I bet)

[stiff osprey]

Yes, placoderms are rather famous for their bones

[hazy bison]

fr we need more people to react to them

[zinc solstice]

So is it right or wrong of placodermi being in the group chondrichthyes as wikipedia says it is?

[stiff osprey]

they don't say that, do they?

[outer tusk]

but why because there's no real point into doing it

[stiff osprey]

wiki page for gnathostomes

[zinc solstice]

Okay it was fixed then someone said they were condrichthyes

[weak gorge]

why blug soundin like gollum

[outer tusk]

What should I change about this piece?

[tough parcel]

What is it

[topaz shell]

How good is this argent?

[chilly knot]

what in gods name is that

edging allosaurus

[tough parcel]

LMAO NOOOO

[heady thunder]

Gooning since the jurassic

[gloomy elm]

give me the names of 3 relatives of t.rex

[crude latch]

Jerry, Timmy, and Bob

[heady thunder]

Tarbo, Dasp, Gorgo

[gloomy elm]

thanks

[sullen cairn]

Of comahuene…

[zinc solstice]

In my opinion theropods are the peak of dinosauria as they outlived all the other clades

Maybe even the peak of reptilia now as they are the most widespread and common reptile as of now being on every continent and many isolated islands.

[velvet burrow]

Theropods are indeed the peak of dinosauria

[halcyon cobalt]

false

[sullen cairn]

i think desert tortoises are the peak of reptilia because i saw one eating grass once and it looked really funny

[velvet burrow]

That's also true
Funny rocks with personality

[halcyon cobalt]

do we still not know what turtles are closely related to?

[zinc solstice]

We do now

Well kind of either they are anapsids or are In the group archelosauria closer to birds and Crocs than to lizards and tuataras

But archelosauria is the most likely one it's more likely that some anapsids are similar due to convergent evolution

Same like how eshanosaurus probably isn't a therizinosaur and was most likely a prosauropod that converged on a similar jaw structure to therizinosaurs due to a similar life style and diet

So archelosauria is the most agreed and likely group of Wich turtles belong to closer to birds and Crocs than any other modern reptile group

Hope that helps

[halcyon cobalt]

thx

[tawdry lintel]

In my opinion, nothing

[fossil ingot]

All goated names

[topaz shell]

Which is more accurate?

[bright veldt]

Dan's. I haven't seen anything from Franoys in ages

[sullen cairn]

mighty cretaceous buffalo

note the sharp and powerful mouths ideal for goring

[tulip dove]

Clearly Para used its crest to impale the predator

[heady thunder]

Thats not a bull para in musth ||idk how thats spelled||

[stiff osprey]

you got it right :L

[ancient crystal]

Dang did we have the hadrosaur musth conversation again

[outer tusk]

did all these hardosaur live with daspletosaurus

[sullen cairn]

Yup

[halcyon cobalt]

clearly dasp would have cowered in fear from its hadrosaur overlords

[storm heron]

Just add four more Dasps in that chart cause Tyrannosaur pack hunting

[west coral]

mamenchisaurs

[warped peak]

What in the

Mamenchirainbow

[west coral]

looks better than random assortment of colours

[light osprey]

This is just the species list for the Mamenchisaurus genus

[west coral]

Don’t forget Omeisaurus

[tough parcel]

I think this is the world's first instance of random using an emoji (important emphasis on think, my memory is comparable to a concussed goldfish)

[stiff osprey]

A text emoji maybe, I use the server emojis pretty often

mostly

[light osprey]

So many totally real taxa 💯

[tough parcel]

Yea, text emotes is what I mean

[bronze storm]

Names

[errant iron]

Ok one last checkup

Do y’all approve this Utahraptor study?

And it’s suitability for a base

[topaz shell]

Deino approval

[broken dune]

hi guys, did you hear about the new spinosaurid discovered?

[iron halo]

I feel like that’s way too light
Wasn’t Utah like, somewhere within the 800 pounds range or something? Could be remembering wrong

[crude latch]

Bros lighter then Caseoh

[somber nebula]

It was comparable to a Grizzly Bear in weight, with some proposals putting it at well over 1000 lbs, while others putting it around 800 lbs.

[river plinth]

Didn't hadrosaur out compete and populate them?
Or am I tripping

[topaz shell]

Birds a class of theropod lived and are still alive unlike hadrosaurs

[river plinth]

I'm talking about when they were around

[velvet burrow]

You're either tripping big time or you're actually thinking of sauropods

[river plinth]

Sorapods died out before hadrosaurs right? I might have to look it up

[velvet burrow]

In some places hadrosaurs replaced sauropods as the big ass herbivores, or just became more common than them

Sauropods did stay dominant in certain places like south america

[plain stirrup]

how close were tarbosaurus and daspletosaurus when it came to looks? would they have looked similar?

[woeful falcon]

Not especially

Here's tarbo first

[crude latch]

Sauropods*

[woeful falcon]

And das, if I cannot find the image I'm looking for, well it looks like how it does in the game for the most part so here's this for now lol

[crude latch]

Avian-Therapods, “Am I joke to you?”

[plain stirrup]

so would it not make sense for them to use this image from php as inspiration, for like a tlc

[woeful falcon]

Tlc for what exactly

Das?

Here's skeletals of the two

If we're talking das tlc, nah. Better to actually have tarbo inspiration for a Tyrannosaurus tlc, especially since one of its subs is called Tyrannosaurus bataar, which is technically Tarbosaurus

[river plinth]

Hey they got there kick off when everything else died out lol

[crude latch]

I mean…they were already starting to appear before everything else died, I think the mammals r the ones who really got there kick off

[river plinth]

Idk why but I wanna see campto or stuthi vs a lion 💀😂

[crude latch]

Roll out the size charts baby

[compact leaf]

the sauropod decline in a lot of places (which really just means western north america, basically everywhere else still had sauropods) seems to have been related to a climate shift, there’s a lot of cases of sauropods and hadrosaurs seeming to coexist with no problems

sauropods really stayed common pretty much everywhere

[sullen cairn]

if there's one benefit to this why is maiasaura so small business suddenly acristavus being tiny makes a bit more sense

also this thing's skull is peak

[plain stirrup]

does anyone know where this came from

[halcyon cobalt]

Raul Ramos’s

[plain stirrup]

🤯🤯

[plain stirrup]

no like a link

[wispy summit]

For anyone who doesn't know this is the guy who does the loading screen art for pot

[heady thunder]

He makes bangers

[frosty cedar]

All of it is mamenchisaurus? Like, different individuals, specimens?

[nocturne merlin]

mamenchiSAURS, the family not the actual genus Mamenchisaurus

[frosty cedar]

Ohhhh, ok.

[nocturne merlin]

basilosaurus enjoyer

[rose gate]

It's kinda sad to see the last Diplodocid, Brachiosaurid, Stegosaur and Mamnchi in the cretaceous before they're gone forever.

[sudden wind]

Did I hear

the last Stegosaur ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646179184531472387/1202532776591753238/IMG_6430.gif

[lavish frigate]

Is that my boy Wuerhosaurus?

[kindred night]

https://tenor.com/view/am-crood-and-he-loose-gif-20216264

[sudden wind]

No

[errant iron]

I’m using average estimates

[outer tusk]

250 - 500kg for Utahraptor

[errant iron]

Sticking to the lower estimate

[outer tusk]

good on you

[scenic flame]

500kg is generally what I see for utah, 250 seems extremely low, lower than achillobator

https://vxtwitter.com/dh_paleoart/status/1764335172038664645/photo/1

[outer tusk]

ah fair

[outer tusk]

what is an lesser known four hand theropod I could draw if people would like to see that?

[scenic flame]

Eoabelisaurus

[outer tusk]

bet

[outer tusk]

Thank you as I was gonna remake this old 4 handed theropod I did

[outer tusk]

mosasaurus

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur Park formation theropods

[pseudo harbor]

Yo paleo chat is Plateosaurus looking like this and being this muscular actually accurate?

[compact leaf]

that is not a good plateosaurus at all

[junior dawn]

DP goes so hard

[crude latch]

💀

[serene birch]

does anyone have skeletons for metricanthosaurus

[light osprey]

Richardoestesia…. The microraptor….

[stiff osprey]

a gigantic microraptor.... you could even call it a normal raptor

[light osprey]

A… macroraptor

[pseudo harbor]

So I was right I was just in an argument with some kid who said it was accurate because prosauropods had big muscles for some reason

[stiff osprey]

they do have big muscles, mainly in the chest and thighs
but that doesn't excuse just getting the skull and body shape wrong lol

[outer tusk]

Plateosaurus JWA is a bad design

[outer tusk]

Megalodon stole the mass of perucetus too
Bottom Meg is 23m and 141t ( btw is this reconstruction by Evoin useable )

[west coral]

who’s ornithomimid, hesperonychus, caegnathus, and dasp is that?

[stiff osprey]

Hartman's Ornithomimus, an old Sinornithosaurus of mine, hartman again, and mine with GAT headswap

[sullen cairn]

dinosaur park hadrosaurs is just gonna be why is prosaurolophus so big

[stiff osprey]

bold of you to assume i'm gonna take ''private specimen allegedly 11m long'' seriously

[sullen cairn]

ah but what about hadrosauridae indet tibia

which is also smaller than elvis' tibia but you didn't here that from me

although saying that idk how the proportions line up

[sullen cairn]

did the dinosauria always have brachylophosaurus and ?maiasaura in dinosaur park

[light osprey]

Prosaurolophus is from Bearpaw too right?

[sullen cairn]

yeah

lot going on here

[shut current]

The guy that nake it: https://x.com/khriskath/status/1763371359860674793?s=20

Christopher Lenin (@khriskath) on X

Maip sculpted in zbrush and rendered in Keyshot.
Maip esculpido en zbrush y renderizado en Keyshot.
#Maip #paleoart #zbrush #huion #lenovo #keyshot

Twitter · Mar 1, 2024, 1:11 AM

Maip

[shut current]

Really liked this Maip, the head shape, specially.

[white matrix]

You guys think there will be a livyatan species will be bigger then sperm whales?

[frosty tree]

Sperm whales are less robust so its possible, the main thing is individual variation because the largest sperm whale ever was double the average, so a very beefy leviathan could possibly out weigh some sperm whales

[white matrix]

Imo I think that there will be a new species called livyatan maximum that will be way bigger then sperm whale like think about it we have dwarf sperm whales so just imagine

[stiff osprey]

the yellowstone hyperpredator 😂

[indigo grove]

a whale that thin existing is so crazy 2 me

[serene birch]

does anyone have skeletons for metricanthosaurus

[nocturne merlin]

might work but id try find a more recent/reliable one

[serene birch]

ty mate

[snow python]

Still up to date?

[plain stirrup]

accurate or nah

[bright veldt]

Not a chance

[tranquil quartz]

Why is it overly hairy

[orchid arrow]

Nope

[quartz rose]

Out of curiousity, between Yehuecauhceratops, Avaceratops and Furcatoceratops, which of them is the smallest?
Seeing a lot of different ranges for Avaceratops, so I am having a bit of trouble figuring out which Centrosaurine is the smallest.

[bright veldt]

They’re all about the same size

[quartz rose]

Ah I see, good to know.

[sullen cairn]

avaceratops is pretty handily the smallest but also by far the youngest

[stray wren]

Keep in mind the Avaceratops specimen we have is immature

[wintry path]

we dont have a head?

[sullen cairn]

yeah avaceratops (juvenile) has only one partial LAG vs furcatoceratops' (subadult) two LAGs

meanwhile yehuecaceratops is considered at least an old subadult

[astral oxide]

Wait is Avaceratops based on an immature specimen?

[quartz rose]

Lil' goblin

[velvet burrow]

Do we have dromaeosaur nests/eggs?

[quartz rose]

How do these compare to Albertaceratops and Styracosaurus?
I know they are going to be a chunk smaller, but I don't have a perfect idea as to how much smaller they are.

[last iron]

Anyone have an up to date representation of either:
A side by side comparison of Otodus megalodon and Livyatan melvillei
Or 2 separate skeletals of both mentioned species

[lavish frigate]

I saw this in PoT memes…..can someone tell me what this is…..it looks suspiciously Archesuchus but idk.

[tranquil quartz]

What’s everyone’s thoughts paleo people

[flat pond]

Very interesting, hopefully they still having running bipedaly

[woeful falcon]

Too upright, particularly while walking

[flat pond]

Hm, yeah it is a bit too upright.

[woeful falcon]

That's my only thought about it really

[flat pond]

I guess they are replacing its crouch with that.

[woeful falcon]

Or adding a new button. Devs aren't as constrained as modders with that

[flat pond]

Hm, true they really aren’t constrained

[nocturne merlin]

would be nice for mods to have a new button tbh

i think X and whatever its playstation counterpart is has no link atm

[flat pond]

All I hope for is after they do the foliage update is that we get an official high browsing sauropod for the game, even though we do have quite a lot of modded sauropods coming.

[delicate pelican]

console and mobile count as constraints to be honest

mobile lamb players seeing buttons all over their screen and console players making a epic combination of 12 buttons to make lambeo stand up

while on pc it could be a convenient button

[woeful falcon]

Idk about mobile but you can combine buttons to do more actions. Like say, pressing down on both thumbsticks at the same time to stand biped. I can't really explain well how they could potentially do it on mobile but I can imagine a way

Point is there are ways to do things. And this is paleo chat

[delicate pelican]

trex fart study 63

[heady thunder]

Its probably too upright to give the kick hitbox more room

[flat pond]

What other niches are not filled within PoT?

[nocturne merlin]

small pterosaur (not really a niche) small aquatic herbi, large herbivorous aquatics, idrk

[heady thunder]

Thats basically it, add large marine predator and dumb stuff, like a trout or a rat

[flat pond]

Huh, interesting. I mean the smallest pterosaur we have coming is Rhampho, I could name a few aquatic herbivores like Henodus and such. As for large aquatic herbivores, that’s a bit of a tricky one to think of. But for me personally, I wanna see a high browsing sauropod come officially since we have so many mid to low browsing herbivores in the game.

[halcyon cobalt]

how large was stellers sea cow?

also, i could see AG giving leed a plant diet ( if the seaweed becomes edible )

[tough parcel]

As has been said, too upright during the bipedal walk, but also hadrosaurs likely moved predominantly quadrupedally (running, walking) so I dunno if a bipedal run would work...or look nice due to how upright it is

[orchid fjord]

How's about flying herbivore?

[nocturne merlin]

id say about the size of amarg (not including neck and tail)

[halcyon cobalt]

pretty big ngl

[nocturne merlin]

tapejara or tupa or whatever one was aparently a omnivore got u covered

[heady thunder]

Lamb runs bipedally already, ofc not in that high of a pose, but thats probably more of a "Square up" stance

[outer tusk]

so the blue one is a juvenile right?

[sullen cairn]

Yeah

[outer tusk]

so what's the name of each anima going from smallest to biggest?

[tough parcel]

Ik it already does, I'm just saying in irl 😭

[nocturne merlin]

its ava and yes

[sullen cairn]

Ava furcato yehueaca sty Albert

[heady thunder]

Irl, i think it would be fine, ofc not in that high of a stance, they could maaaybe do it, just like how you can maybe run while tilting your head as far back as you can, not comfortably thats for sure

[tough parcel]

What

[outer tusk]

what

[heady thunder]

I think my grammar was correct.

[zinc solstice]

Since we found a tree climbing basal pterosauromorphs I wonder when will the gliding ones and poor flyer pterosauriformes will be found

[serene birch]

btw does metri still have a short of skin under his chin? or is that unaccurate these days?

[spare knot]

its speculation, we cant know for sure without having an intact fossil of their skin

[serene birch]

lmao i agree was just wondering if it was still goin on or not

[spare knot]

agree? bro its a fact T_T

[smoky birch]

How I’m feeling atm

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-charliekelly-kelly-always-sunny-gif-13283537

[zinc solstice]

Random fact: meganeura the Giant "dragonfly" is a flying crustaceans as insects are crustaceans just like how birds are dinosaurs and meganeura and all other hexapods are closer related to krill than to arthopleura and arachnids

[spare knot]

Swinn says there is discussion about Sucho being dubious and being a crestasaurus [whatever that is] and the only source they've provided so far is a Clints Reptiles video when he is notorious for spreading misinformation

[smoky birch]

Not right hold on

[sullen cairn]

cristatusaurus kinda swings back and forth between being a nomen dubium, being a senior synonym of suchomimus, and being a valid taxon distinct from suchomimus

[zinc solstice]

What is going on sucho dubious?

[spare knot]

finally i know what theyre talking about T_T cristatu doesnt even have a full jaw bone iirc??

[sullen cairn]

according to some authors yes but cristatusaurus' material is ass and its similiarity to suchomimus is equivocal

cristatu's holotype is some anterior cranial fragments

[smoky birch]

There are two spinosaurids that were discovered cristatusaurus was discovered first but we don’t have much knowledge from them. We have a lot of fossils from Suchomimus, which was named later, but overlapped in existence and they say that they might be the same dinosaur but because cristatusaurus was named first, suchomimus would technically not keep its name (the former would)

And I said this Lumpy, but you ignored me and dismissed me. And now someone else is saying basically the exact thing without sources and you are accepting it…

[spare knot]

homie you've been calling it crestasaurus this whole time and I was asking you what that even is

you also didnt explain what you meant until right now, because the first thing you said was "arent they arguing that suchomimus isnt even real?" and you kept saying crestasaurus, you didnt call it cristatusaurus ONCE until now, multiple people asked you what a crestasaurus is

[sullen cairn]

tbf cristatusaurus literally means crested lizard

[spare knot]

yes i was there

[sullen cairn]

anyways this is the most recent conclusion on cristatu afaik

[zinc solstice]

Dinosaurs are the peak reptilia as of today but dinosaurs are still cool in the past

I mean peak as in success as birds are the most populated reptile group today

[sullen cairn]

plus this in 2022 which is a bit more thorough with the history

[spare knot]

i also said "what is a crestasaurus!??!??!?!?" in all caps before i said i dont like clint either, bro all im saying is that you finally explained yourself better rather than getting upset at us for not knowing what youre talking about and for you only using clints reptiles as a source

[smoky birch]

Table, where do you get access to your research papers? I keep getting stuck by paywalls? Or do you purchase/have a subscription?

[sullen cairn]

usually scihub but with the 2022 paper i got it from paleostream

[tough parcel]

Wtf...pirating..................

[sullen cairn]

okay but the 2023 other one was open-access so its fine now

[smoky birch]

I apologize. It was really hard to reply to three people all arguing with me and catch autocorrect fails at the same time.

[sullen cairn]

the evil falcon upholds a system violating his humanity

anyways if someone's talking about suchomimus being a junior synonym of something and mention a "crestasaurus" i'd imagine it'd be most parsimonious to assume they're talking about cristatusaurus

[smoky birch]

Yes but at the same time I was literally trying to EXPLAIN what I was trying to say and still somehow you think my claim was “Sucho isn’t real”

[sullen cairn]

uh oh mods everyone scram

[smoky birch]

Yes, thank you, Table. That was exactly it. I appreciate also your guidance on open-access research articles.

[deft sigil]

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[zinc solstice]

In my opinion the genus name dinosaurus should've been saved for a Fossil like a common ancestor of all dinosaurs or a very close relative of the common ancestor and not a therapsid

If it was found)

[sullen cairn]

yeah but its kinda funny if the thing's named dinosaurus

[zinc solstice]

I mean it's therapsid it's closer to us than to dinos and we are therapsids

[sullen cairn]

an insightful commentary on the ultimate futility of sensical biological nomenclature

[sonic pendant]

What

[sullen cairn]

dinosaurus isn't just a taxon it's a statement

[zinc solstice]

Too bad such a genus name was spent on a therapsid there is a genus of therapsid called dinosaurus

And yes it's a taxon an actual species and I don't think I'm allowed to send Sources and like links

[smoky birch]

Apparently you CAN! I learned today

[zinc solstice]

So I'm Allowed to send a link to show it exists then okay

[sullen cairn]

oooooh scary pdf

yeah mods seem fine with it

[smoky birch]

How do you feel about the dinosaur wikis? Compared to….other wikis?

[sullen cairn]

wikipedia's generally good for summary and finding sources/citations and prehistoric wiki is very funny for the wrong reasons

[smoky birch]

Hehehe could I ask you one other thing? If you ever have time, could I get your expert opinion on this video: https://youtu.be/F5y5ThG6mWk?si=zuYzlYWjZbhsX6TO

[sullen cairn]

deceptively informative considering how much of a powder keg spinosaurids usually are

[compact leaf]

Clint usually puts out pretty good stuff

[smoky birch]

Ahh nice! Yes, this was the reason the debate started and escalated ha. Many others do not like Clint, but I’m also a dinosaur science noob, so I didn’t know if it was actually a very poor video in general (the sucho debate and everything else) as they thought or if the source could be trusted. I liked it. Learned a lot.

I loved all his taxonomy videos.

[velvet burrow]

Question.
How was it called the "few offspring with great investment" type of reproduction?
And is there evidence for it in any non avian dinosaur?

[sullen cairn]

k-selected?

there's maiasaura and stuff

although with at least some hadrosaurs there seems to be a period where they ditch the adult herds for a couple years and eventually reintegrate around when they hit sexual maturity

[light osprey]

I’ve never considered the chaos of what would’ve been little herds of adolescent herbivores running about

[velvet burrow]

Yeah that, more specifically, something more birdlike

I want to believe that there will be evidence for at least one dinosaur with very few offspring that would allow to speculate about biparental caring and possibly monogamy

Because monogamy is one of the cutest traits of birbs

[light osprey]

Enantiornithes or something

[bright veldt]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case in most broodnesting dinosaurs tbh. One of the reasons it probably evolved was because of the necesity for constant incubation by a parent.

[light osprey]

Oh wait those are precocial

[velvet burrow]

Precocial birbs is something unexpectedly cursed to think about

[compact leaf]

based on trackways sauropods seem to have put at least some investment in their offspring once they were big enough to not get stepped on

[velvet burrow]

Oh yeah speaking of that, that's why i find the "one mother one calf" trope for ornithischians that was even used in Prehistoric Planet kinda cringe

Now, are there nest fossils from dromaeosaurids? Or just non avian paraves?

[errant iron]

How would the blank parts be filled? Other than scales

[compact leaf]

yeah I don’t know why that’s so popular

you see it a lot in sauropods too, there it makes at least a little sense because in all likelihood an adult would only be looking after like one baby because not very many would make it

[outer tusk]

I love this rex design so much

[lavish frigate]

So skinnyyyyyy

[woeful falcon]

Rex with a das body

[velvet burrow]

Rex was the original dad bod

[sullen cairn]

god's strongest soldiers (smol centrosaurines)

[warped peak]

How well supported is the current Sillosuchus data?

[sullen cairn]

You will have the 20cm cervical and you will be happy

[warped peak]

lol

[tacit pine]

What if plesiosaurs could produce electricity with there necks.....

[woeful falcon]

What if T. rex could generate lasers

[lavish frigate]

What if spinosaurus could walk

[tough parcel]

(It could)

[little raft]

how to kill a chat room

[crude latch]

Damn 💀

[tough parcel]

Ouch

Also what???? Irritator news was almost a year ago????????????

[stray wren]

Yes :)

[tough parcel]

[lavish frigate]

(Don’t worry I’m not that dumb )

[tough parcel]

Ik, just making sure others know too haha

[crude latch]

Wait

Spino could walk

joking

[lavish frigate]

Imma continue to say this. Spinosaurs would be one of the most majestic beautiful animals to see in the flesh.

[copper flame]

fresnosaurus

[crude latch]

FR

[copper flame]

anything interesting on fresnosaurus

[quartz rose]

Thank you, gotta love the smoll bois.

[plain stirrup]

did yutyrannus live in or at least interact with snow

[outer tusk]

No!

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure it did

[compact leaf]

yes snow was possible where it lived

[abstract oar]

Should i asking this question to guys

I actually really confused when i Saw vintage version spinosaurus head it looks like a tyrannosaurid

Yes you know reconstruction always happened in years to years but now spino have a crocodile head but the vintage version was really confused for me because have a different head like a mountain theropod like t rex and acrocanthosaurus

[velvet burrow]

Back then spinosaurus uh, "relationship" (idk what other word to use) with other theropods was unknown and it's remains were very fragmentary, so it was reconstructed as a generic theropod with a sail

[astral oxide]

Vintage Spinosaurus was reconstructed with a typical "Megalosaur" head because the first fossil found had only part of the lower jaw as far as skull material was concerned. There was no complete skull found and because "croc-headed" dinosaurs like Baryonyx had not yet been discovered, a simple "Megalosaur" head was the only logical conclusion.

[astral oxide]

Smok wawelski was a Triassic animal with an uncertain placement within the clade Archosauria. It is still uncertain weither or not it was an early dinosaur or simply a bipedal croc relative.

[lavish frigate]

Booooooooo Dino Smok needs feathers. Ugly naked little thing

[light osprey]

Would’ve been horrendously overcompensating if it didn’t at least experience freezing winter temperatures

[warped peak]

There's no evidence of scutes or osteoderms in poposauroids is there?

[delicate pelican]

all false, its a polish dragon

[astral oxide]

tbf if it's so basal we can't tell if it was an early dino or a crocodile relative, the early feathering would've probably been so minimal that it wouldn't have made a difference.

[nocturne merlin]

i dont think there is, all ive found online is leg and ribcage material, nothin on scutes or osteos but thats only for poposaurus itself, ill go look more

wait Qianosuchus did have evidence for small ostoderms alone the neck and torso

but qiano is only part of Poposauroidea and not that closely relatef

[copper flame]

I want more people to remake old inaccurate paleoart from the 1800's

[warped peak]

Cue up evidence for feathers in pseudosuchians

[lavish frigate]

If it was in fact an early dinosaur I think feathering would be very plausible

If not full fluff maybe peach fuzz

[astral oxide]

That's what I mean. Considering how early it is, it would most likely be limited to light fuzz, which wouldn't affect its overall appearance that much imo.

[warped peak]

Different than covered in croccy scales

[lavish frigate]

Well idk if how early it is affects levels of body integument. Since both pterosaurs and dinosaurs use feathers as insulators I’d assume their common ancestor also used its feathers for that purpose. And if so I’d assume most early dinosaurs had noticeable coverings. But that could realistically fluctuate depending on climate.

[zinc solstice]

I think feathers might have evolved after the basal avemetatarsalians like the aphanosaurs shrunk in size maybe due to pseudosuchians that filled the same neiche as them outcompeting them forcing them to either fill in a new neiche or go extinct and spondylosoma does show proof of when avemetatarsalians started getting small again and as they got Smaller they evolved feathers to help keep in heat as smaller animals lose heat faster

[warped peak]

I have to resort to using David Peters skeletals and diagrams for Sillosuchus :(

It feels wrong

Because of it, I have no idea what is actually factual and what is Reptile Heresy

[delicate pelican]

remember using david peters skeletals is always morally incorrect

[warped peak]

yes, but there's literally no other reference material on the hands and feet of shuvosaurids

The next best bet I have is basing it off the PT Popo model lmao

[somber nebula]

Can confirm, my Great x10 Grandfather's neighbor fought Smok with a flaming holy sword, and was canonized as a saint for his battle

[nocturne merlin]

effigia skeletal and shuvosaurus skull, ik it isnt hand material but ill try find some more

[warped peak]

Yeah i hybrided some stuff from Effigia into a rough skeletal, but having my source literally be that I made it up is nOT good lol

[nocturne merlin]

ive got a sillosuchus skeletal from 1997 if that any good lmaoo

[warped peak]

better than NOTHING I guess

[nocturne merlin]

alright, theres also a shuvo one too

[warped peak]

:(

[light osprey]

One of the best skeletals I’ve seen

[nocturne merlin]

its nearly 3 decades old lmao

[stiff osprey]

I love when my bones are vague geometric pink shapes

[light osprey]

Peters was killing it even back then!

[zinc solstice]

In my opinion I think that maybe the reason bony armor in Basal non conodont fish evolved was that early non conodont fish were in a evolutionary arms race with smaller faster eurypteryds that had spiky limbs specialized to stab fish so basal non conodont fish like arandaspis evolved bony armor making it harder for eurypteryds to stab them then later eurypteryds with claws evolved being able to grab the armored fish and then cephalaspidomorhs an ancestral group to all fish today even hagfish some of galeaspids that didn't split off and gave rise to all modern agnathans evolved bony head shields to make it harder for eurypteryds with claws to grab them and for some galeaspids like tujuaspis were the first fish to evolve pelvic fins and some advanced transitional galeaspids that would give rise to osteostracans like tujuaspis had pelvic fins a dorsal fin a booty fin a dorsal fin and later in more osteostracans the bony head shield would become the pectoral fins seen in placoderms.

[iron halo]

Punctuation and some paragraphs go a very long way

[zinc solstice]

I forgot I was rushing

[nocturne merlin]

i just hopped in this channel and was jumpscared by that lmao

[nocturne merlin]

is there actually any fast eurypteryds that were at a similar time to them tho

[zinc solstice]

I mean there is megalograptus an Ordovician eurypteryds that was still fast enough to catch the primitive fish at the time

The rivalry between eurypteryds and early fish is one of the earliest challenges that early vertebrates had to face known as We don't know what threat caused them to evolve bones to be faster or to protect organs or maybe that's wrong and we don't know what predators made them evolved light sensing organs that would give rise to eyes maybe it could've been some radiodont or another undiscovered creature or a creature that will never be found as 99% of all life never fossilized.

[heady thunder]

"The strongest swimmer of today vs the strongest swimmer in history" typa rivalry

[velvet burrow]

i remember hearing somewhere that it also had to do with metabolic stuff

Calcium storage comes to my mind

[zinc solstice]

The reason bony armor evolved most likely would serve Multiple purposes like for protection and for storing calcium. And also I forgot to mention that eurypteryds that were faster and had claws may have even been the reason why osteostracans re evolved dorsal fins,booty fins and even the reason why they gave up part of the bony shield modifying it into pectoral fins and the reason why they evolved pelvic fins probably was as bigger ambush predators eurypteryds evolved that evolved a new strategy that was hiding under the seafloor and osteostracans and even the basal placoderms they gave rise to were bottom feeders eating algae and cyanobacteria on the seafloor and they were the perfect prey for ambush predator eurypteryds that hid under the sea floor.

[sharp canyon]

How do we feel about LOOP's Arandaspis?

[zinc solstice]

I think It's great actually a 9.9 or a 10/10

[warped peak]

I must learn which is more accurate

[nocturne merlin]

the far right?

[stiff osprey]

if Peters is saying both are accurate then neither one is accurate

[outer tusk]

I did these pieces in art class and I was wondering how acccurate are they

[warped peak]

save me Random, you're my only hope

[stiff osprey]

Shuvosaurus

[warped peak]

good enough

[kindred lagoon]

guys what does basal mean

[stiff osprey]

if multiple species share a common ancestor, the one that diverged first from that common ancestor is the most basal

[kindred lagoon]

Oh I thought it had something to do with where it was located💀

[stiff osprey]

Technically not wrong... where it's located on the family tree lol

[white matrix]

I just watched life on our planet
Aint no way they call a pliosaur a plesiosaur

[lavish frigate]

Pliosaurs…..are plesiosaurs….

Pliosaurs are the short necked plesiosaurs

(Mostly)

[outer tusk]

any tips

[crude latch]

But they are…

So uhm….

[sharp canyon]

Old paleo art is funny because this is how animals are often depicted regardless of size

[light osprey]

twenty inches long
Godzilla

[white matrix]

Oh
They're the same thing?

Does that mean kronosaurus and liopeaurodon are mostly closely related to turtles?

[astral oxide]

tbf that one's from Weird N' Wild Creatures, which made a simple maggot look like demonspawn iirc

[sharp canyon]

Still amusing

[woeful falcon]

Nah. Pliosaurs are plesiosaurs, but not all plesiosaurs are pliosaurs

[white matrix]

So venomous animals usually evolved vibrant colours as warning signals for predators right? So why something like a black mamba doesn't

[warped peak]

Poison vs Venom

[white matrix]

Oh

[warped peak]

You lick a poison frog and you die. A snake bites you and you die, big difference

[white matrix]

So it's a warn not to eat sign instead of not to mess around

[warped peak]

Yep. One's a defense and one's an offense. Snake doesn't want to be seen, frog does

[compact leaf]

it doesn’t always work out that way for venom either it’s more of a mixed bag, some venomous species are very brightly colored as a warning

[warped peak]

Honestly depends more on where in the food chain it is

[compact leaf]

there’s a lot more that goes into it for venomous stuff than for poisonous species

coral snakes are a good example of venomous wanting to be seen, scorpionfish are the exact opposite

[obsidian phoenix]

hi guys

[velvet burrow]

It does

It's pitch black mouth works as a threat display

Cobras and other snakes also have forms of threat display, they're just less obvious because they're predators that also use their venom as a weapon

[tacit pine]

Anyone have like a top view skeletal for an icthyosaur?

[woeful falcon]

What one

[outer tusk]

which one

[tough parcel]

Probably not regardless of which one lmaooo

[tacit pine]

Idk like any in general

[tacit pine]

Idk man I’ve been searching all over the internet and found 0 icthyosaur top view skeletals.

[outer tusk]

there always this

[tough parcel]

Yea, which is what I said. Ichthyosaurs are horribly understudied and if you were to find one, it's probably bad

[outer tusk]

and mid!

[tough parcel]

This looks obese af, you sure? 😭

[outer tusk]

idk it's the only top view that exist ig

[white matrix]

Sooo it kinda just depends on they're ecosystem?

[tacit pine]

Oh alr

[tacit pine]

I can edit it maybe

[tough parcel]

Idk how you’d edit it tho

[tacit pine]

Eh forget it.

Ill use pot eurhino for top view gg

[tough parcel]

Trug

[warped peak]

Could Poposauroids pronate their wrist

I mean they weren't exactly advanced bipedal at that point

[plain stirrup]

was is it hunting?

couldnt find any ornithomimids in prince creek so i was just a little curious as to what it could be

[loud python]

Spec ornithomimid of some variety

[peak jetty]

There's an unnamed ornithomimisaur from the formation

When Prehistoric Planet doesn't use a specific name, it's usually because it doesn't have one yet

[nocturne merlin]

really not much on it but ill look, worst comes to worst id just use a relative with more study as popo has got preserved forelimbs but with not much study on them

[plain stirrup]

another question regarding prince creek, was it possible for cryodrakon to travel there? always see it depicted there in art

[scenic flame]

Not all warnings are visual, also it depends on predation pressure

[tawdry lintel]

Could Spinosaurus teeth be good in other animal's meat ? A part from fish

[halcyon cobalt]

spino is the grip king

[tawdry lintel]

Yoink

[stark pasture]

They arnt really made to rip and tear flesh off large animals. could they? sure though its not what they evolved to be.

[tawdry lintel]

I asked because I seen somewhere that someone wrote that it would been impossible to Spino to rip other dino's flesh, which I really doubt

[halcyon cobalt]

people saying that spino couldnt harm large animals have never heard of false gharials ( sometimes ) hunting cattle

[bright veldt]

Spinosaurus’s size means that most animals would’ve been on the menu regardless if prompted. There’s also the fact that spinosaurus doesn’t really have a weak bite, at least overall (a bite force of 1200 kg/si, which is akin to American alligators).

[tawdry lintel]

Thank you guys, I really like to know more about Spino, it is my favorite dinosaur so far and I love to know more of it, of cpurse if it's coming from people that are really interested in paleontology, not people that sees dinos just as wwe fighters lol

[sullen cairn]

the best thing about spinosaurus is someone should make artwork of intraguild predation between the kem kem abelisaur and spinosaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

altruism...

[tough parcel]

Gigatitanvenator vs Spinosaurus…..

[sullen cairn]

this will be adult spinosaurus vs subadult sympatric abelisaurs in 2018

[halcyon cobalt]

wholy guacomole

[serene moat]

What abelisaur is that? Is that titanovenator??

[sullen cairn]

cmn 50403

big kem kem dorsal

[halcyon cobalt]

lowkey not a fan of " titanovenator "

[stiff osprey]

the name, i hope

[halcyon cobalt]

yuh

[stiff osprey]

understandable, it isn't an official name or anything

[serene moat]

I like the name personally better than ones named "thanos" for example imo

[velvet burrow]

Nah that's a hatchling

Man that thing is huge

[tawdry lintel]

Could Spino walk in four for short periods of time ?

[stark pasture]

If it knuckle walks it would break its hands.

[lucid ibex]

I’m not a fan of it either, but can someone offer an explanation as to why this Gigantoraptor design is so hated in palaeomedia?

[tulip dove]

Prolly because of the male display thing

[tough parcel]

^ It's very bright and speculative which Ig is fine, but I personally hate waddles

[tulip dove]

Yeah, would have loved to see some colorful wings instead

[lucid ibex]

A Nicobar inspired Gigantoraptor would be awesome

[lavish frigate]

Some people are just not enlightened to it’s beauty 😔

[heady thunder]

People hate this? Damn this community gets boring sometimes

[lucid ibex]

I like the Tropogan influences but other than that there’s just something that irks me about the design

[heady thunder]

The only problem I have with it is that it feels too skinny, but thats probably a giganto quirk.

[stray wren]

Waddle and dewlap supremacy

[heady thunder]

Waddle?

[snow python]

How big was the largest Temnodontosaurus?

[frosty anvil]

Can anyone give me these deinosuchus skeletals but in better quality

Or whatever is the best deinosuchus skeletal

[lavish frigate]

Might just be that Gigantoraptor is taller than Tyrannosaurus and yet still has the proportions of a small oviraptorosaur that’s like five feet tall 💀 disturbing creature

[light osprey]

Yes yes a metre long wattle on a 2+ tonne animal

[bright veldt]

It’s not that it couldn’t be a thing, but imo it’s the wrong way to do speculation

It’s literally just a modern animal slapped onto a dinosaur

[chilly knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143152969756459058/1143189677176799252/unknown.png?ex=65f84f5a&is=65e5da5a&hm=3c0b4a0e9b2811661b05008aaae6750380a1939022cdeb2bf16dafaca81cbfcb&

[frosty anvil]

Brilliant, thank you. Got one with every single osteoderm?

[sullen cairn]

real

[warped peak]

Bringing this back up because the chat has revived

[chilly knot]

no

the osteoderm pattern is speculative anyways

[cloud dagger]

Idk does this answer directly to your question but i found this thesis https://media.proquest.com/media/hms/ORIG/2/nzwCK?_s=P6GNbW2S5yBuJuIyOtR8BNXIzQM%3D and while i only read bits from here and there, the writer states biped dinos lost some kinematics of their forelimbs so i think the logic could fit biped pseudosuchians too. Need to read it thoroughly later though, an interesting thesis

[warped peak]

it's 350 pages long

[warped peak]

The answer is no, although later crocodylomorphs got it figured out

[delicate pelican]

grr we dont know if x wouldnt have y because it doesnt show in fossils!
y gets shown on x
ew

[wary junco]

from what I've seen, it's less about having speculative features and more that it's a 1:1 copy of a modern species

there are ways of showing speculative courtship behaviours and displays without copypasting the exact display structure (along with pattern and colours) from tragopans

[severe field]

@twilit perch Largest confirmed allo is around 9'3-9'5 meters, anything larger isn't really allo or is doubtious

[twilit perch]

They have literally found bigger specimen's 30 feet was just it's average. The bigger allosaurus specimens grew more than 35 feet it's literally bone evidence

[severe field]

Send the article or skeletal then

[twilit perch]

Literally everywhere it says allosaurus (average) length was 30 feet every single time the question of *what's the biggest allosaurus specimens pops up its always 36 plus feet long and people even go so far to say allo could be 42 feet long

[twilit perch]

Idk how to do that

[severe field]

Where is everywhere, wikipedia? Google? There are places where still up spino to 18 meters, doesn't mean its true

Grey is largest confirmed allo

[sullen cairn]

which isn't fully grown

[compact leaf]

most adult allosaurus specimens fall in the 8-9m range, that 9.3m one is the biggest widely considered allosaurus but it isn’t fully grown

[twilit perch]

They've found bigger allosaurus bones that the largest (confirmed) one so they just estimate the length which I'd think be pretty accurate with them being scientist and all

[severe field]

I mean you keep saying they found that but you can't provide any evidence

[sullen cairn]

there's several large morrison allosaurids you could make a good argument are allosaurus proper

buts its not unanimous so womp womp

[outer tusk]

so what happen