paleontology

[scarlet moon]

That would be cool

[main talon]

Thanks

[crude latch]

Oooh I really like this

[frail robin]

I think it'd be cooler if Rhamph could team up with large carnivores in general. Like buff them by cleaning them n stuff, maybe its weakness could be that it takes a bit to clean a carnivore and that gives an opening for it to be killed while doing the animation

[main talon]

While it does that it gives rhamph some food to eat

[indigo flume]

Ty 🙂

[topaz shell]

I have a question

[topaz shell]

Could a dromeosaur evolve to be similar in proportions to a tyrannosaur?

[outer tusk]

no

[bright veldt]

I mean, utahraptor exists. It just still has big arms.

[crude latch]

Ye

[topaz shell]

Not proportions what about size

[bright veldt]

That's not what porportions is.

[outer tusk]

I choose to ignore it cause it's not achillobator

[crude latch]

💀

[topaz shell]

Like if tyrannosaurs went extinct

[outer tusk]

what's the problem

[crude latch]

Nuthin

Also next up on my Ichthyosaur list are some long noodle Ichthyosaurs :3

[topaz shell]

Should I change the arms on this hypothetical dromeosaur?

[outer tusk]

ngl it should be more like yutyrannus ig

[tough parcel]

Can I redline?

[topaz shell]

What’s that

But ok

[grizzled ember]

yo whats with the fat sauro bottom left?

[woeful falcon]

Lingwulong

[topaz shell]

Nice

[flat pond]

Lingwulong is a chunky sauropod from what I’ve seen.

[crude latch]

Jarvis zoom in

[crude latch]

Anybody have a good pic of shonisaurus size?

Nvm

[crude latch]

After talking with sm1 I finally created the biggest Ichthyosaur 😭 surpassing even some of the largest estimates on hectors ichthyosaur

[white matrix]

Any saurophaganax skeletals?

And diplodocus skeletals?

[crude latch]

Sm1 should 100% draw this

[white matrix]

Sure why not

[crude latch]

This will be spinosaurus 50 years from now, alongside its ak47 arms and massive jet engines

[lavish frigate]

I love how sauropods really love to eject their heads 500 ft away from their bodies upon death so we never find them

[crude latch]

“In order to deter predators, brachiosaurus was able to launch its head at predators similar to a cannon. Where it would then grow its head back in the span of 2 seconds 💀 “

[lavish frigate]

See kids. This is why we can’t have mammalian cunning

[crude latch]

Rock hit rock make big sparky boom boom

[crude latch]

Bro became a whale 🐋

[lucid ibex]

The KpG extinction event was the highest ratio of birds killed with one stone ever.

[nocturne merlin]

gonna need a basilosaurus type ichtyosaur

[barren stream]

hi

Im new

[light oxide]

That . . . is true.

Cursed knowledge moment. XD

[flat pond]

Added a bit more to the my roster but hopefully these additions are as far as they go for permanent members. Brought to life by @west coral

[outer tusk]

what's this for, may I ask?

[flat pond]

A project I might do in the future

[crude latch]

Like a long 1?

[nocturne merlin]

yes

[crude latch]

Already done :3

And he’s so big you could swim in his nostrils

[woeful falcon]

Not only the largest ichthyosaur, the largest animal

[crude latch]

Largest animal that we’d know of

Wonder how big this guy would scale. Next to a Garg leviathan

[velvet burrow]

Forgot to mention it early but W roster for having ekrixinatosaurus, would be too easy to just use carno, majunga or rugops (or a rip-off of one of those like pot pycno)

Also another W for not having that much north american dinos, which sounds weird until you realize how f*cking much north american fauna monopolize paleomedia

[woeful falcon]

Maybe the rest of the world should just get cooler dinos 💪

[light osprey]

Real

[steady rock]

can i ask a dumb question

[crude latch]

Nah only smart questions

[steady rock]

i literally dont deserve this hatred 💔

[topaz shell]

How good is this tarbo peoples of paleo chat

[flat pond]

What?

[steady rock]

how will mutta and olorititan be different in playstyle and niche?

[flat pond]

Muttaburrasaurus is more focused on being more escape oriented, utilizing a faster speed than Olorotitan while Olorotitan itself has more of the bulk to fight back along with powerful kicks to really send a message of not messing with them.

[steady rock]

And the third hadro i forgot the name of in the bottom right?

[flat pond]

Precisely why I went with an Asian stegosaur and ankylosaur since both groups from that continent are somewhat underutilized.

[flat pond]

Kritosaurus, it’s a possibility but with Olorotitan and Muttaburrasaurus being both similar sizes but having different styles, it isn’t known yet what Kritosaurus would bring to the table.

[steady rock]

do you take idea's?

[flat pond]

Sometimes but not as of this moment.

[steady rock]

alright

[velvet burrow]

Kritosaurus... probably a more herd oriented playstyle?

[steady rock]

replace it with a prosauropod ahaha

[flat pond]

Both Muttaburrasaurus and Olorotitan would also from herds, so figuring out what Kritosaurus would bring is a bit of a challenge.

I can send you both a Trello board I made if you like

[steady rock]

sure

[velvet burrow]

Eh, but i mean, focused on stackable buffs while bigger hadros can go solo
This of course if you're impersonating the dinos, if not...

Maybe different survivability in different climates (something i want in PoT too)

[outer tusk]

Pretty good though do you want a reference?

[topaz shell]

I have many references in photos

[frosty anvil]

Pretty solid, but heres how I would adjust the mouth shape

[topaz shell]

Ight

[frosty anvil]

Drew the whole head kinda shape so u can see what i mean

[tough parcel]

@topaz shell Tried to align it best I can, about to redline

[topaz shell]

I can see mine is bulky

[tough parcel]

@topaz shell Here

[topaz shell]

Rex based on the Osborn skeletal

[outer tusk]

am doing a megaraptor piece and I was wondering are they're any good top views or multi views for it

[topaz shell]

I might have some

Nope

[lavish frigate]

Was there a convo about the great, mighty, and valid Tyrannosaurus bataar my beloved?

Also if you call Tyrannosaurus bataar into question you end up like the baby in the sacrifice skeletal 💀 (love this thing)

[zinc solstice]

Tyrannosaurus baatar is cringe and fake raptorrex is a better invalid tarbo species

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bolt-movie-target-acquired-target-target-spotted-dog-gif-27552177

[zinc solstice]

Tyrannosaurus baatar cringe raptorrex better

[lavish frigate]

Bolt is now 334 feet from your house and gaining ground every second

[zinc solstice]

Nah as an bacteria that shoots out red giant suns and eats universes I'd win anyways the enantiornithines were the last non euornithine dinosaurs to go extinct in the kpg extinction event in my opinion

tarbo and rex could be the same genus but it's unlikely almost impossible

[lavish frigate]

I definitely wouldn’t say impossible? Animals with far greater differences can go in the same genus. The most important differences are literally just that Tarbo is a small bit more gracile

And a few other differences that could easily be in the same genus imo

[zinc solstice]

True... I mean lions and leopards and Jaguars and tigers are in the game genus and some species do look quite different but it's unlikely Tyrannosaurus baatar is valid it's most likely an invalid species

[lavish frigate]

The only thing stopping it imo is some proportional differences and one big ol ocean between the two species (which also doesn’t matter because plenty of animals are cross continental)

[zinc solstice]

It's just as invalid as gojirasaurus the large Triassic theropod and eotriceratops

[lavish frigate]

Is eo invalid now?

[zinc solstice]

Yes

Laten too

[bright veldt]

Since when is eo invalid.

[lavish frigate]

I thought eo was pretty set in stone so idk when it was put into question if it was

[bright veldt]

^ I double checked and that's still the case tmk.

[zinc solstice]

I remember some claims that eo might be an invalid genus might be real or fake

[sullen cairn]

i don't think there's been much of anything formally suggesting eotrike to be invalid

[zinc solstice]

And also on Wikipedia it was put as a synonym of trike with a question mark idk might be a mistake

[sullen cairn]

paul considers it triceratops but like its paul so nobody cares

[zinc solstice]

Also Im looking up obscure prehistoric species and most of the images for reference art for some of them are from David Peter's? Would it be accurate?

[bright veldt]

GSP lumping together all of centrosaurinae but also says T. rex is actually 3 different species based on slight differences in legbone circumference

[heady thunder]

GSP the UFC champion is doing dino stuff I see, very cool

[zinc solstice]

Also it's possible Jurassic pachycephalosaurs existed because they split from a common ancestor in the late Jurassic with basal Jurassic ceratopsians like yinlong so they might exist?

[sullen cairn]

i love how 90% of ceratopsid pages on wikipedia have this almost verbatim with different genera

not even just ceratopsids lmfao

[light osprey]

“GSP did a thing, anyway…”

[zinc solstice]

Also I recently re learned that hagfish are not the earliest fish and are not earlier than mylokominjidae and convergently re evolved the loss of eyes in a dark environment

[sullen cairn]

i think pachycephalosauria by definition has to be as old as ceratopsia

[compact leaf]

do not ever trust something from David Peters

[zinc solstice]

Also just learned that galeaspids actually as a group represent what the common ancestor of all modern fish were if not might even be the ancestral group with basal members of the group looking like Ordovician fish having no dorsal, booty, pelvic,or pectoral fins and later galeaspids like tujiaspis having a dorsal fin, booty fin, a pelvic but no pectoral fins and pectoral probably being modified bony head parts as cephalaspis has pectoral fins meaning that pectoral fins for fish first evolved in galeaspids.

[bright veldt]

I know there was a paper that suggested heterodontosaurs are actually very basal marginocephalians/pachycephalosaurs

[velvet burrow]

TF

Tyrannosaurus bataar cringe, i'd rather have Tarbosaurus rex

[zinc solstice]

So literally osteostracans are an important group in knowing how advanced fins first appeared for cephalaspidomorphs closer to placoderms and modern jawed fish and also are important in the origins of hagfish and lampreys. Paleozoic fish are cool

But also how did more derived osteostracans feed with their mouths underneath their head they wouldn't be able to suck up small food bits like earlier jawless fish and would mainly have to eat water plants on the seafloor :/ or there is some unique way they caught food that we don't know of

[velvet burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-rachel-pleco-gif-3542231588991387536

[zinc solstice]

Maybe some galeaspids had long tounges go dig into worm burrows and scoop up worms? But this is just speculation

Or they just ate plants on the seafloor basal fish that are ancestral and have traits that can prove they are ancestral to all modern vertebrates are cool

Maybe galeaspids evolved their head shield that would give rise to pectoral fins for display and protection from seafloor dwelling predators like sea Scorpions?

Is it possible that some galeaspids had colorful head shields in areas like coral reefs?

Could it have been used in headbutting?

Also why did chordates evolve bones? I wonder...

[velvet burrow]

iirc bony armor in early fish like placoderms evolved both for protection and calcium storing

[zinc solstice]

The bony armor first appeared in Ordovician proto non conodont fish like arandaspis maybe the armor evolved as a defense mechanism against young nautiloids and small sea Scorpions?

But what was the purpose of vertebrates evolving bones what was the evolutionary pressure to do so? And Basal fish and basal chordates look so identical that they make the line between fish and non fish chordates blurry :/?

[woeful falcon]

I've only ever seen you ask questions lol

[zinc solstice]

I still don't know why bones evolved in vertebrates

Was it an accident or something? Idk

[lethal pecan]

so we could make skeleton memes

[velvet burrow]

They evolved bones so they could be fossilized ofc
Nah but probably because as they became more mobile they needed a more solid support for their bodies
And technically every adaptation is an accident

[woeful falcon]

Is this a zenob alt that just never got accounted for

What kind of question is this

[zinc solstice]

Who is Zenob?

[woeful falcon]

Zenob is bonez backwards

[zinc solstice]

So some person named Bonez with a skeleton pfp is my best guess because if the name is Bonez it's gotta have a skeleton pfp also on topic now

Why would vertebrates evolve bones to be faster what predator would make them evolve bones to be faster? Maybe some swimming predatory trilobite or a killer worm?

Or a small radiodont

[woeful falcon]

Do you think there is an answer that can be given to the question "why would vertebrates evolve bones"

[zinc solstice]

Idk maybe if some fast small Cambrian fish eating predator is found?

[woeful falcon]

Who knows

[zinc solstice]

A predatory fast swimming trilobite would be a cool find I think maybe fish evolved bones to be faster and to protect vital organs?

[woeful falcon]

Sure.

[zinc solstice]

So maybe a fast swimming trilobite with an assassin bug mouth that liquifies it's preys tissue then drinks it like a spider? That would be a cool fossil

Or a radiodont or a soft bodied animal that never was found yet or never fossilized

[topaz shell]

Is this a good giga? [based on holotype]

[zinc solstice]

It's pretty good! 8.9/10 :).

[outer tusk]

nice what skeeltal did you use?

[topaz shell]

The bottom one

[outer tusk]

use this one

[tiny holly]

I'm pretty sure the general reasons it happened were for more support and protection, essentially. Bones support the body and allow to to be more complex and larger while maintaining structure. And importantly, bones help protect vital parts of the body, eg ribcages and skulls. This was particularly important when early fish were having to compete with arthropods that already had lots of "armour" as it were with their exoskeletons. Robust skeletons allowed them to go toe-to-toe more reasonably.

[topaz shell]

I am confused those are same pictures

[outer tusk]

I wouldn't send you the same image 💀

[topaz shell]

O I see

Kinda too late tho

[tiny holly]

tbf if they're just drawing the head that doesn't change much, most of the differences I can see are with the body

[topaz shell]

Im just doing heads currently

Quick question do any of y’all have a juvenile triceratops skeletal

[zinc solstice]

I wonder if arandaspids evolved bony scales as a defense mechanism against small nautiloids and mainly sea Scorpions Or not? Probably? Maybe?

[outer tusk]

For a top view how does the Australovenator look

[topaz shell]

[zinc solstice]

I mean the bony armor would be useful in not getting grabbed and stabbed that easily by eurypterids?

[zinc solstice]

Also that drawing is very good!

[outer tusk]

thx

[topaz shell]

Like one with flesh like this

[tiny holly]

skeletals for juvenile animals are few and far between, I don't know that there are any for triceratops

[topaz shell]

Probably just gonna do an adult

Also giant trex

[sullen cairn]

[crude latch]

Tf is a tatankaceratops

[tiny holly]

The one thing I might advise changing is narrowing the waist a little just in front of the hips. Something you see a lot with theropods is they had these big barrel chests but pretty waspy waists. Other than that it looks good!

wouldnt need to be much, just a little more pinched

[outer tusk]

is there a top view visual of this exact thing

[outer tusk]

Better?

[topaz shell]

I’m already disappointed in the skeletal I used

[west drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539242906784104488/1206055423006740531/IMG_6493.png?ex=65da9da4&is=65c828a4&hm=fb00eba2eac77acc45a42428d6e95ddb50f533448714af298cf77ed11b695a26&

what in the ever living flippity heckin tarnation of hell creek is this

[crude latch]

A juvi Trex

What’s wrong abt it?

[west drum]

I JUST- ITS SO.. god it’s so- I don’t know I’d ever think those legs would be that skinny and long

[cloud bane]

puberty really hit T.rex like a truck, huh.

[tough parcel]

It's a hypothetical baby rex, we have no fossils from a growth stage this small

[sand gyro]

Ello my original gangstas

[sand gyro]

That baby trex is way to big xd ain't no way a baby trex could grow to that size

[tough parcel]

Look at the bottom left corner haha

[sand gyro]

Oh wait nvm I see it

[sand gyro]

I still don't think a newborn trex could be that size

[sand gyro]

Is this old because a trex wasn't that big

[tough parcel]

I don't think it's newborn newborn, but this is an Albertosaurus

[sand gyro]

Baby Albertosaur compared to a trex is this screen shot isn't it?

[tough parcel]

No, these are both baby albertosaurines

[outer tusk]

Titanovenator

[sand gyro]

Oh I thought it was both side by side

[outer tusk]

if that was the case one would've been labeled as T. rex

[sand gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-22596911

[outer tusk]

what?

[sand gyro]

Nvm

[topaz shell]

Cry

[sullen cairn]

it is indeed not a newborn because its still embryonic

[stiff osprey]

It is embryonic but it is not necessarily that big

[sullen cairn]

let us ungual scale in peace

[stiff osprey]

I will beat you at your ungual game

using jane i was able to scale it to 80cm, which is the same size as the other embryonic Daspletosaurus

[tough parcel]

80cm sounds big, this is crazy

[stiff osprey]

Surprisingly 80cm is a downsize

Which is better because a 110cm baby physically cannot fit into a dinosaur egg unless its skeleton is all bent and compressed

[sullen cairn]

I am absolutely heartbroken to learn that tyrannosaurus eggs weren’t the size of a large backpack

[sand gyro]

I was just saying words here

[sand gyro]

Table long time no see fr xd

[stiff osprey]

if we baby scale from allosaurus we can find that an 80cm embryonic tyrannosaurine would grow into at least a 16m adult

[sand gyro]

In length of course right?

IM JOKING I KNOW ITS LENGTH

[tough parcel]

16 megaton tyrannosaurine.........

[sand gyro]

Did you know one of the most common fossils found in North America are the trex because they dominated almost all of it it really shows how successful their species was

[stiff osprey]

born at a feeble 80 centimegatons to grow into the world's largest apex bomb

[stuck chasm]

Please view pinned messages for appropriate paleo-chat topics. We recommend all off-topic conversations be directed to DM's, the appropriate channel or another server entirely. Thank you!

[topaz shell]

COPE is 11 tons:)

And goes 11 miles per hour

[outer tusk]

erm it's 10.7t

[topaz shell]

GRRR

Still that’s a fast rex tho

[tough parcel]

Actually slower than average

Please edit the typos to be the actual words, there are not good words in there 😭

[native kindle]

oh great heavens that's a racial slur

[arctic crane]

The largest dilophosaurus found was 23 ft long and about 880 lb. With the newest study about its skull revealing it has a strong skull and powerful bite, why do we keep portraying it as a small spindly thing. It was the Apex predator of the early Jurassic

[outer tusk]

better references

[arctic crane]

Thanks

[topaz shell]

Featherless utah.

[arctic crane]

So if I'm not mistaken a large dilophosaurus would have rivaled the size of allosaurus europaeus, though it would have been lighter and more slender

[sullen cairn]

In length sure but it’d be like half the mass

[arctic crane]

Ya, I'm not saying dilo could take a.europaeus. it just shows how big this animal was. Yet in Media it's always seen as small or behaving like a mid level predator when it was the apex of its environment

Actually while I'm on an early Jurassic kick cryolophosaurus was 20–23 ft and estimated 772–1,025 lb. Now I believe crylo was from a later stage of the early Jurassic than dilo but it shows that large body theropods appeared earlier that what some people think

[sullen cairn]

saltriovenator's prolly worth mentioning then as well

as well as assorted late jurassic-early jurassic huge footprints

[west coral]

we don’t talk about those

[sullen cairn]

wow i sure love giant dandakosaurus and sinosaurus shawanensis i sure hope they dont end up being sauropodomorph centra or something

[west coral]

In neotheropod dandakosaurus we trust

[arctic crane]

I guess the early Jurassic is almost as bad as the Triassic when it comes to placing dino genera.

My boy is just shards

[warped peak]

I don't think it would be as one sided as you think though

The upper estimates for new Dilo and Allo are pretty close

[tiny holly]

dilophosaurus is honestly a very funny animal because it looks big but its also small? why's he built like that. its so lanky

[warped peak]

Allo biting a bit weak for its size and Dilo biting hard for its size puts them on decently level ground, although Allo is a lot heavier

[tiny holly]

Also while dilophosaurus was the apex of its environment I'd also agree allo would body it, even with similar lengths allo is just so much heavier and bulkier. Its why a lot of fighting sports in humans are split into weight classes because at the end of the day, thats often what matters most

[warped peak]

I'm not saying the Dilo would win, but I'm saying the damage it would deal would be plenty rough still to the point that the Allo would certainly back off

[tiny holly]

Oh for sure, there's rarely clean fights between basically any predators in nature. But in a hypothetic to the death scenario I really only see dilo winning if it somehow gets lucky. Bulk matters so, so much in fights

[warped peak]

It does lol

[sullen cairn]

afaik allo's bite isn't particularly weak for its size

[arctic crane]

Looking at other animals of the kayenta formation dilophosaurus was one of the bigger things in its environment. Maybe the environment prioritized speed?

[misty snow]

Mago pajas en la poya

[tiny holly]

I think just a lot of dinosaurs hadn't gotten very big yet, so there was no need to be bulky. In particular because pseudosuchians had declined globally by this point so there was less of a competition in that regard. Compared to a lot of what it lived with you could argue dilophosaurus was bulky. Certainly strong enough to do what had to be done

[sullen cairn]

for reference europaeus/dilophosaurus comparison (although there is larger european allosaurus material not technically assigned to europaeus

[tiny holly]

You see a lot of very specific evolutionary arms races in dinosaurs as they developed, a famous example being the increasing size and strength of tyrannosaurids vs ceratopsians. But there was also just a general pressure on both herbivores and carnivores to get bigger and stronger in response to the other party getting bigger and stronger

[arctic crane]

The next largest dino in the kayenta is sarahsaurus a sauropodomorph that seems way smaller than dilo

[sullen cairn]

inb4 scan eats you alive

increasing size and strength of tyrannosaurids vs ceratopsians

[arctic crane]

Out of curiosity how would cryolophosaurus compare?

[arctic crane]

Awesome thanks! Interesting why the length, better balance maybe?

Actually that makes me realize something most large body theropods seem in this general size range. With the exception of some large tyrannosids and carcharadontids or some of the smaller ones, a lot to them where in this 20-30ft long 1-3 tons range

[sullen cairn]

there's also this with hartmans cryo

[arctic crane]

What's Hartman's cryo? I'm not familiar

[sullen cairn]

scott hartman's cryolophosaurus skeletal
the other one is by alpha

[white matrix]

Just to help improve my artstyle, how accurate is this torvosaurus tanneri drawing on a scale from 1-10?

[topaz shell]

I have to say it

5/10

[woeful falcon]

Bit on the thicker side. Head's pretty nice though. I wouldn't mistake it for a different dinosaur which goes pretty far imo

[crude latch]

Ye that’s pretty recognizable as torvo

8/10

[arctic crane]

Now I don't think a full skull for cryolophosaurus has been found so take this with a grain of salt, but I noticed some interesting.
Its general shape bears a resemblance to acrocanthosaurus. It's a very unique shape too, I wonder why the down ward turn?

Well besides that weird notch thing some early Jurassic therapods have

[white matrix]

I think they just going off what the fragments are sayin

[woeful falcon]

This'll fair you better for cryo head

Ignore the allo behind it

[white matrix]

So basically dilo skull but a bit more thicker

And diff crest

[woeful falcon]

That also shows what the known elements are as well, so you can see that the back half the skull is more complete. I believe its restored from dilo

[arctic crane]

I'm more pointing out the similarity between these two very distant therapods. Yet they have a similar shape it has to have something to do with their prey right?

[white matrix]

Either that or the skull just looks like that due to lack of better fragments to go off of

[woeful falcon]

They're prolly similar just because of how they went about reconstructing it. For example of you go by this one, it doesn't much resemble acro and instead looks like dilo

[white matrix]

Now that I think of it, why was Acrocanthosaurus's skull shaped like that? Like how it slopes downwards at the end

[arctic crane]

Ya, your right shouldn't jump to any Paleo biology conclusions over this lol

[woeful falcon]

Face blown off poor guy

[white matrix]

If you think that's dumb, know that troodon was named from a singular tooth

[arctic crane]

It's a cool tooth though

[white matrix]

That was very similar to like literally any other small carnivorous dinosaur

[arctic crane]

cryolo's holotype has more than half a face it's got some ribs, vertebra and stuff too I think

[woeful falcon]

Cryo doesn't get talked about enough tbh

[white matrix]

You wanna know smth that never gets talked abt..?

[arctic crane]

Same as any dino not from the late Jurassic or late cretaceous. Shame too they're cool

[white matrix]

Gasosaurus.

[arctic crane]

Imagine being found by a gas company and they name you gasosaurus lol. Could be worse could be an extinct product placement

[arctic crane]

Or dracovenator

[white matrix]

W-why..?

[arctic crane]

Ahh paleontology we know so much and yet so little. If we EVER find anything related to this dino again they will probably find out it's just another species of dilo or that it's range just extended into Africa. Shame though dragon hunter is a cool name for a dinosaur

[sullen cairn]

in the spirit of earlier some larger late triassic-early jurassic theropods

which is to say everything but gojirasaurus is early jurassic

[storm heron]

The Italian Ceratosaurian

[tulip gyro]

goijrasaurus was early jurassic? i remembered it always in the late triassic

[arctic crane]

What's the biggest one?

[sullen cairn]

That’s why it says everything but gojirasaurus is early Jurassic

[sullen cairn]

Saltriovenator
Which is also a subadult so that’s fun

[tulip gyro]

how can we know again when some dinosaurs lived?

[sullen cairn]

Radiometric datings of nearby strata or estimated age based off faunal/floral associations

[tulip gyro]

ah okay thank you

[ruby patio]

Take the rock around it and date it

[tulip gyro]

gg

[arctic crane]

Thanks. The cryolophosaurus holotype is apparently a sub adult too

[ruby patio]

There are larger individuals which aren't

[storm heron]

If we consider the huge size variation Dinosaurs have, Im sure there was a Cryolophosaurus that was smaller than our Sub-adult holotype

[ruby patio]

Saltriovenator is also absolutely massive

[tranquil quartz]

Isn’t Gojira invalid iirc?

[sullen cairn]

as a taxon prolly but there's still large coelophysoid elements

[sullen cairn]

i like that aguja comes with bite-sized versions of its tyrannosaurs and ceratopsids

[west coral]

Bite sized everything

[outer tusk]

what are the theropods in order from biggest to smallest

[stiff osprey]

saltriovenator, cryolophosaurus, dilophosaurus, don't know, don't care

[west coral]

probably sinosaurus and liliensternus

[velvet burrow]

Liliensternus liliensterni
Why don't we have dinosaur names like that?

[main talon]

The Meiolania it was around 60 million years ago and recently in geologic terms it was recently extinct 3000 years ago and some of them in Argentina can reach impressive sizes. 0.7–2 m (2 ft 4 in – 6 ft 7 in) in length. The larger specimens of Meiolania are estimated at up to 8.2 feet, or 250 centimeters long. It was also a herbivorous turtle like species

Do you guys think having the Anguillavus in path of titans would be nice? what it is a prehistoric eel that was around in America during the upper Cenomanian of Lebanon and it was ray -finned fish

[nocturne merlin]

as an ai yes

[velvet burrow]

Well, it's an eel, and seems to be a very small one
It could work if we had small piscivores (an unenlagiine please, a south american one)

[west coral]

first image is ninjemys

[light osprey]

Meiolania isn’t known from the Selandian either

[idle talon]

Hey what’s that one Cambrian thing with the really long mouth?

[west coral]

Nor Argentina lol

[velvet burrow]

The what

Uh, opabinia?

[crude latch]

Tully monster?

[idle talon]

Yes this

I was asking because I needed to remember its name for a monster concept I’m doing

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/dY9QzZodEyc?si=DPLPAU6ELwbzm2e0

[glass herald]

https://twitter.com/deak_michael/status/1756747506828866046?t=yUuKZwwLTOFaLjzwbrrzdg&s=19

Michael Deak (@deak_michael) on X

So, what actually happened to the tail of @hmns T.rex known as "Wyrex"? Anné et al. 2022 made some brief comments on the specimen The caudals exhibit "severe reactive bone growth", suggesting that the amputation occurred while Wyrex was alive, and not post-mortem.

Twitter · Feb 11, 2024, 6:30 PM

[lavish frigate]

Dang that must have HURT

[honest wave]

Oh man, that is incredible

[heady thunder]

I remember Trex the Ultimate Survivor using this to justify Trex group life, cos that thing couldnt survive alone.

[white matrix]

I need some info about Utah confirmed or disputed for me

From what I've heard, Utahraptor's toe claw is flatter and more blade like compared to other raptors, is this true and does anyone have a visual reference?

[somber nebula]

Makes sense if it’s true, Utahraptor, and large Dromaeosaurids in general like Achillobator, and the thing that may have been Dakotaraptor, used their claws less for hooking on to prey and more for just doing raw damage.

[storm heron]

What happen to that tail I wonder, what could have caused more than two thirds of a tail of a Tyrannosaurus to fall off?

[crude latch]

Caseoh got hungry

[velvet burrow]

Another tyrannosaurus

[crude latch]

Sm1 needs to find another Trex skeleton and name it Caseoh

[west drum]

I’d imagine it’d be from another tyrannosaurus, it’s been proven that tyrannosaurs will face bite and it’s likely that this could also be something similar

[heady thunder]

https://youtu.be/gDeRBB57ryY?si=Ugz9kcbcTyDxhCRC
2:45

[storm heron]

Face biting and biting off >2/3s of a tail is different. I find it difficult to imagine that a Tyrannosaurus managed to get a good grip on the tail long enough to bite it off, all the while the tail's owner is likely moving around and trying to shake off the attacker. Additionally, based on how much of the tail is gone, the attacker would have to bite through near the base of the tail which is not easy as it is the widest part of the tail.

[ancient crystal]

Maybe the injury occurred while they were younger?

Imagine a Quetzalcoatlus grabs a juvenile tyrannosaurus by the tail and it just pops off

[white matrix]

Or the rest of the tail didn't fossilize...

[storm heron]

I am still curious to how it managed to live or survive, though this depends on what time in its life it experienced the amputation.

[lavish frigate]

Good thought process. However a Tyrannosaurus probably couldn’t balance at all without a tail lol so it would not have survived

[velvet burrow]

Would be funny if it started walking more upright after losing the tail

[velvet burrow]

Unless it's stated otherwise, not necessarioy the bite itself amputated the tail, could be that the injury was so bad that the tail fell off

Could also be, and this is going too wild, that that part of the tail was bit multiple times
"Wyrex gets in a fight, gets a nasty blow on the tail. Wyrex gets in another fight, it's opponent spots the wound and exploits the weak point. The tail falls off" (idk if this is even possible)

Without the tail, wyrex most likely survived purely by scavenging, then finally dies

[compact leaf]

~~deinosuchus took it off ~~

that is a joke please do not spread the idea that deinosuchus took off its tail

[light osprey]

The… Montanasuchus

[stiff osprey]

Of course it is physically possible for a T.rex to rip another's tail off, alive or otherwise

But as of now I'm not convinced the tail was fully amputated in life, we need more info. Either way definitely a nasty injury

[compact leaf]

this could definitely be a case of another rex or some other bad injury taking a hunk that gets infected and then the rest of the tail comes off later

[crude latch]

Probably really really unlikely but what abt a birth defect?

[stiff osprey]

we need clarification whether the healed bone is in the neural arch or the centrum. The last centrum doesn't look healed to me, which could mean it came off after death

[stiff osprey]

can't be, the break is still jagged which would have smoothed over after a few weeks/months

[glass herald]

Bite marks are present on the caudals.

[velvet burrow]

And big evidence for bone regeneration, it lived through it

[glass herald]

That said, it's not heavy bone remodeling, but it is consistent with similar cases of bone trauma in birds.

[swift osprey]

Did you know theres a dinosaur called spinosaurus and it lived in europe in the late triassic

[stiff osprey]

If it really was ripped off in life, to me the unfinished healing suggests it lived for a few weeks, then starved or died of some infection not recorded in the bone

[storm heron]

Do we have anyway of knowing if these bite marks were the result of an attack or scavenging?

[crude latch]

Ah

[topaz shell]

What’s the possibility of this thing

[outer tusk]

none

[topaz shell]

True

[outer tusk]

again there's a reason why sauropods have small head compared to their bodys

[topaz shell]

Might have to make it unique from the sauropod body plan and get smaller head

I actually might just turn it into an ACTUAL sauropod

[sullen cairn]

more aguja

[stiff osprey]

baller

[scenic flame]

where is tyrannosaurus and deinocheirus?

[west coral]

What is that beautiful nodosaur?

[outer tusk]

1. Texacephale
2. Panoplosaurus?
3. Cf. Euoplocephalus
4. Yehuecauhceratops
5. Agujaceratops?
6. Ceratopsidae?
7. Aquilarhinus?
8. Kritosaurus?
9. Tyrannosauridae?
10. Theropoda incertae sedis?
11. Deinosuchus
12. Angulomastacator

[pastel scroll]

I live for deinosuchus

[pastel scroll]

Is the tyrannosauridae daspletosarus?

[outer tusk]

Daspletosaurus isn't from Aguja formation

[pastel scroll]

Oh damn with my dumbahh

[outer tusk]

Nah you good don't hurt yourself over it

[pastel scroll]

Me thinking about how a fight with a deinosuchus hatcheri and Tyrannosaurus rex would go

[outer tusk]

Erm encounter or interaction would be more appropriate @pastel scroll

ignore the ping mb

[pastel scroll]

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about (but this is just the inner deinosuchus fanboy inside me)

[outer tusk]

If anything unless the Rex was extremely unlucky to encounter a deinosichus in the water then if on land is a different story but entirely would be very different as neither animal existed with each other

[pastel scroll]

I think the deino would wait until the red gets to striking range to try to attack like a modern day crocodile, and the rex would get spooked and might back down

https://images.app.goo.gl/tkYc8ZMSvH3Rvg2T6 (is this accurate?)

Is this accurate for a deinosuchus or is the 33 feet and 5 tons one accurate?

[outer tusk]

Which species

[pastel scroll]

Hatcheri

[outer tusk]

Eh again D. Hactheri is known from fragmentary remaism so yeah

but this one is also okay

[pastel scroll]

I was thinking 33 feet was for deinosuchus schwimmeri

[pastel scroll]

https://images.app.goo.gl/omyNWGeoyN2heCAy7

Deinosuchus vs Astrogosuchus, I wonder how that would go

[outer tusk]

Can you stop doing this

[pastel scroll]

Ok ok, I’m just addicted to crocodilians

[outer tusk]

Excuse excuse, I want you to stop please

[lavish frigate]

Deinosuchus is objectively the best extinct crocodilian ( I say extinct because if I didn’t that’d mean it was better than Cuban crocs which it is not because nothing is better than Cuban crocs)

[topaz shell]

Big gator

[pastel scroll]

Fax

Also Saurophaganax didn’t live with torvosarus right?

[outer tusk]

But if I have to answer, this is depend on who's larger in the situation and who is the aggressor

[topaz shell]

Saurophaganax met torvo

[pastel scroll]

They are both around the same size but astrogo might be slightly smaller at 13 meters or 14 meters while deinosuchus at 14 meters

[lavish frigate]

High probability that deino wins. Much more robust and probably a stronger bite

[clever sable]

I also adore pseudosuchians which is why I don't do AVA with them

[pastel scroll]

I also think that for the same reasons

[outer tusk]

13m Astorgo doesn't exist

[pastel scroll]

Oh dang I’m actually dumb

[zinc solstice]

I wonder why do some of the earliest pseudosuchians like turfanosuchus look almost identical to some of the earliest avemetatarsalians like dongusuchus?

[topaz shell]

Probably convergent evolution

[outer tusk]

12.47m is the largest and even then, in it's description it's recommended not to use it

[pastel scroll]

Also how big is mosasaurus hoffmani becuse I remember someone saying it was 17 meters

[crude latch]

Tf kinda name is Dongusuchus 💀

[pastel scroll]

A good one

[crude latch]

Love it when the word Dong is at the start of my name such a good name

[pastel scroll]

I wonder how big a female deinosuchus would be

[zinc solstice]

That's possible but I still wonder why do many basal members of closely related groups usually look identical like lagerpeptids and lagosuchids looking the same and basal synapsids and sauropsids looking the same or just a coincidence?

[pastel scroll]

I still remember a video where they said Astrogosuchus would win against paraceratherium

Also allosarus was slightly bigger then ceratosarus right?

Nvm

Why did I just see a edit about allosarus vs Saurophaganax that’s like putting a golden retriever up against a timber wolf 💀

Random fight, beelzebufo vs cane toad

[topaz shell]

That’s a tuff one they about the same size

[pastel scroll]

Saurophaganax and allosaurus?

[native kindle]

no

[topaz shell]

Nvm

[outer tusk]

no

[pastel scroll]

Ok

[topaz shell]

Hell frog wins

[native kindle]

nah

[topaz shell]

Downsized hell frog😞

[pastel scroll]

Idk cuz I’ve seen photos of huge cane toads

[topaz shell]

They about the same size

[outer tusk]

^ also they don't fight because one is dead

[pastel scroll]

Shhhhh. Let your imagination take over

[outer tusk]

no I don't wanna

[pastel scroll]

DAYUM

[native kindle]

or just use the picture showing both lol (they're the same, and putting random animals vs each other is dumb)

[topaz shell]

Hell frog wins

[pastel scroll]

I was about to show that picture lol

[topaz shell]

Doesn’t hell frog have teeth esc bones?

[pastel scroll]

Guys African giant bullfrog solos blue whale cope harder whale fanboys (joke ofc)

[pastel scroll]

Well African giant bullfrogs have them and so do pac man frogs I think so yeah

[outer tusk]

this is the worst joke I've ever heard in my entire life

[topaz shell]

The Eocene frog

[pastel scroll]

Yeah ik I cooked

[crude latch]

Cronchy

[pastel scroll]

I had a pet bullfrog

[native kindle]

nanner

[topaz shell]

Isn’t that the bullfrog?

[pastel scroll]

The picture with the frog in the man’s hand is a Goliath frog

[topaz shell]

I see

[pastel scroll]

This is a African giant bullfrog (the frog I had)

[west coral]

hold gentle like beer can

[pastel scroll]

Me watching deinosuchus edits:

[topaz shell]

https://tenor.com/view/space-i-think-gd-geometry-dash-geostorm-burger-gif-15853939480615994806

[pastel scroll]

Pablo

Hell frog needs to come to the game asap or im killing myself

[topaz shell]

DB making him

[pastel scroll]

Ik but it’s prob gonna come out in 8059

[sullen cairn]

2. is edmontonia/6. is agujceratops mariscalensis/8. is malefica and i'm going to pretend i'm happy with the scaling even though i'm not/10. is tyrannosauridae indet

[outer tusk]

I was so close too

[west coral]

who’s skull of what is that?

[sullen cairn]

attempt at shoving malefica into eotrachodon

[light osprey]

Isn’t there an Alaskan Edmontonia

[velvet burrow]

Absolutely

It's also better than the oversized gharial wannabe sarcosuchus that can't even perform a death roll

[iron halo]

Sarco isn’t even a crocodilian so not like that matters

[arctic crane]

crocodylomorph, but still a close cousin to crocodilians.

[night blaze]

What is a taco exactly, what group does it belong to

[frosty anvil]

Pisttaco is a ceratopsian

Maybe a basal one? But a ceratopsian nonetheless iirc

[sullen cairn]

i wonder if some deranged sicko out there thinks tacos are a form sandwich

[night blaze]

I thought so but it looked so ridiculous I assumed it was maybe something else entirely

[frosty anvil]

Are hotdogs a form of sandwich? If so maybe a taco woudnt be so far off in the food taxonomy tree

Not a sandwich, but a close relative perhaps

[sullen cairn]

thin ice

[frosty anvil]

I dont think they're a sandwich personally

But i can kinda see how they'd be classified as such. Kinda. So only close in the family tree but not quite there

Why the cluck are we talkign about food taxonomy.... back to dinosaurs

[frosty anvil]

Dude fr they look so ridiculous
Like thats actually an animal that walked the planet at one point?

Yeah like sure i can see it for a lot of dinosaurs. They look normal enough. But pisttaco looks like a freakin pokemon dude

[night blaze]

And its the fact it is one of the most WELL KNOWN dinosaurs to ever exist

[frosty anvil]

I woudnt say well known. That goes to like, T. rex and Velociraptor. Just REALLY well studied

Pisttaco and Borealopelta. Two really well studied dinosaurs that are unfortunately somewhat obscure in the public eye

[tough parcel]

The feeble Tyrannosaurus cowers in utter fear of the fearsome Psittacosaurus, capable of slicing off a Rex’s leg with one bite from its sharp and powerful beak…..

[night blaze]

I meant well known as in the most complete and accurate dinosaur discovered

[topaz shell]

I forgot drepanosaurus classification

[frosty anvil]

I see what you mean now, yeah. Not well known in terms of popularity. Just well known in a zoological standpoint

[velvet burrow]

Yeah that's why i said "also" implying that sarco is not included in crocodilians

[light osprey]

It’s quills were a warning to all theropods

[velvet burrow]

But it's functionally a croc so idc
Oh wait it isn't because it doesn't death roll

[tough parcel]

Death roll Sarco discussions

[frosty anvil]

Wait what?

[topaz shell]

It was simply to weak to deathroll

[light osprey]

Suchomimus was such a pitiful prey item in simply didn’t need to

[frosty anvil]

How do we know sarco didnt death roll?? What anatomical requirements are needed to death roll??

[velvet burrow]

Strong skull

[topaz shell]

Sarcos skull couldn’t withstand the force of a death roll

[copper flame]

spino bite moment

[tough parcel]

I am horrible with names, but someone tried to show Sarco could death roll, but idk what they used

Also they need a jaw capable of withstanding twisting, but iirc the paper used gharials as an analogy and one look will show a very minor difference in robustness

[topaz shell]

Hence why gharials don’t death roll

[velvet burrow]

It was build like a glorified gharial
Ngl one of the most overrated prehistoric creatures out there

[tough parcel]

Not like they need to anyways, they eat fish

[frosty anvil]

I see, yeah that makes sense yeah

[copper flame]

their jaws would snap like sticks if they did

[topaz shell]

Fr

[tough parcel]

No it wasn’t

People compare Sarco’s to gharials because of their massive nose bump, but Sarco is significantly more robust

We also know it was consistently taking terrestrial prey, unlike gharials which almost exclusively hunt fish

[topaz shell]

Gharial is a wannabe sarco

[tough parcel]

Mfw tomistomas are right there

[light osprey]

It’s a gharial because it couldn’t compete with the Ornithodiran cunning of Eocarcharia

[topaz shell]

Well similar due to covergant evolution

[sullen cairn]

pretty much the drci index that was used to determine sarco can't death roll doesn't actually seem preclude taxa with low drci from deathrolling

[tough parcel]

Guh….

[west drum]

Does anyone have a list of abelisauridae?

[crude latch]

No I ate them all

[tough parcel]

No don’t wait you Tagle no please, they’re a boy

[topaz shell]

https://tenor.com/view/space-i-think-gd-geometry-dash-geostorm-burger-gif-15853939480615994806

[sullen cairn]

plus potentially betasuchus and eoabelisaurus and i'm not sure how solid dryptosauroides being abelisauridae proper is

[velvet burrow]

"The agile psittacosaurus, with his cunning and long-lasting energy, might well win"

[topaz shell]

Me when hell frog from DB

[west drum]

Thank you :)

[velvet burrow]

Wait, aucasaurus abelisaurinae? Wasn't it closer to carno?

[tough parcel]

Who are you that is so wise in the ways of brain damage incarnate?

[sullen cairn]

abelisaurinae is defined to the exclusion of carnotaurus

that and abelisaurus likes to flip flop between sister to aucasaurus, very basal abelisauridae, or majungasaurinae

[west drum]

Is there an accurate skeletal of majungasurus?

[sullen cairn]

in the latter case abelisaurinae actually becomes a senior synonym of majungasaurinae too

[velvet burrow]

Jesus that made me laugh

[tough parcel]

The Majungatholus…..,

[tulip dove]

Guh

[light osprey]

Is there an accurate skeletal of Thanos

[tough parcel]

The creature

[topaz shell]

Those fat flightless parrots?

I mean dinosaur

[sullen cairn]

i like that if you remove deinosuchus angulo and the larger tyrannosaur then aguja nanotyrannus doesn't even look that small

[topaz shell]

Still small

[crude latch]

Oop

[topaz shell]

But good for an environment with only it as an apex predator

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[topaz shell]

Tell who?

Nanotyrannus doesn’t exist

[sullen cairn]

bigger fish

[hallow spear]

I wonder how people react when I say AMNH 680 isn’t an adult

(I think!!!)

[topaz shell]

Me when thanos snaps majunga away

[sullen cairn]

we stan epenterias-sized lower morrison adult allosaurus in this chat

[topaz shell]

Also does this have a POSSIBILITY of evolving

Likely no

[sullen cairn]

there's also an estimated 13yo 87cm femur which is funsies

[topaz shell]

:0

[hallow spear]

Damn bros young but large

[topaz shell]

He’s just Chad

[hallow spear]

Use tyrannosaurus growth curve to estimate a 20y olds size…

[sullen cairn]

in theory maybe but also idk

[hallow spear]

Stegosaurus has 6-7y old with a 86.2cm femur

[sullen cairn]

neostegotitanus...

[hallow spear]

Omg

[arctic crane]

Styracosaurus' frill variation being attributed to different sub species is hilarious to me

Makes sense though individual deer have a lot of variations in the antlers for example

[velvet burrow]

Honestly i don't blame them because if i had almost every ceratopsian with relatively consistent frill shapes and then... this, i wouldn't know what to do

[stray wren]

Most ceratopsians with elaborate frill ornamentation have an absolute ton of individual variation

[velvet burrow]

To this level?

[stray wren]

Absolutely

Styracosaurus is just the shining example as most species under its genus have been lumped into S. albertensis and S. ovatus

We know their frill variation was on an individual basis, and sometimes caused by injury

Pentaceratops, and it's relatives for example, have individuals with asymmetrical frills not associated with pathology

Even this with more conservative frills have individual variation elsewhere. Triceratops for example have massive variation in the shape of their brow horns, even to the extent where the nose horn is the only way to tell T. horridus from T. prorsus

[storm heron]

Doesn't Torosaurus also have variation with its nasal horns? with some specimens having what appears to be between a horn and a boss?

[sullen cairn]

unless you're talking about something else iirc thats pathological in at least a couple of em

also leptorhynchos's hypodigm is ass and i don't like it

[arctic crane]

A lot of dinos with horn and crests would have had keratin sheaths. So who knows how long or that shape they would have been in life, keratin can come in a lot of shapes and colors

[frail robin]

Perhaps in an isolated island environment, but I'd suggest it has longer limbs and is quadrupedal instead of bipedal

[light osprey]

The Hornby Island Azhdarchid….

[frail robin]

It could fly

[tough parcel]

That's the joke

[pastel scroll]

Which species of torvosarus was bigger again?

[bright veldt]

Both were around the same size, to the point where any difference is negligible. The biggest specimen is with T. tanneri.

[pastel scroll]

Ok

[brisk acorn]

theoretically anything can evolve it just depends on what this thing's ancestors were

[quartz rose]

Actually, what are the other species shown here?

[sullen cairn]

texacephale, referred edmontonia thing, referred euoplocephalus thing, yehuecauhceratops, agujaceratops mavericus, agujaceratops mariscalensis, literally nanotyrannus but from texas, malefica, aquilarhinus

[stiff osprey]

did you radically downsize malefica or did i mistake a 50cm bar for a 1m one

[snow python]

How big was Saltriovenator?

[stiff osprey]

7-9 meters long and ~1.5 tonnes

[snow python]

And was it a ceratosaur?

[stiff osprey]

yes

[sullen cairn]

decided to just scale estimated complete maxilla length with eotrachodon

its like 20.5cm incomplete and ~27cm complete

vs 22cm eotrachodon

[stiff osprey]

scrap getting downsized is always correct. unless it's from brazil

[flat pond]

Added some aquatics to my roster, size chart brought to you by @west coral

[velvet burrow]

WHAT IS THIS, HELP

[delicate pelican]

herreripterus

dsungarrerasaurus

dserreriptesaurus

[compact leaf]

the biggest sauropods being a brachiosaur and rebbachisaur makes me so happy every time I see it

[flat pond]

Titanosaurs and diplodocids can’t always be the center of attention

[flat pond]

Also Lingwulong is a dicraeosaur, not a rebbachisaur

[quartz rose]

Is that Centrosaurus and Chasmosaurus I see there?

[compact leaf]

oh I did say rebbachisaur whoops, you know what I meant

[quartz rose]

I see, interesting. Love how much of goblin Yehuecauhceratops is.

[velvet burrow]

Nice
I got the DM notification just yesterday, sorry
So is kritosaurus staying?

[flat pond]

Centrosaurus and Spiclypeus

[flat pond]

Maybe, I’ll have to figure out what it might do and if it is exclusive to one specific region or not.

[quartz rose]

Let's go, love Spiclypeus

[sullen cairn]

because aguja has at least like three caenagnathids for some reason i've decided that texan nanotyrannus is actually texan qianzhousaurus because they're like the same size anyways

[velvet burrow]

Huh, i was gonna say, you could replace it with a smaller hadrosaur and so they're not necessarily unique, just on different weight classes and predated by different things
But there's muttaburrasaurus

[flat pond]

Well I do have Lioplurodon and Prognathodon inhabiting different parts of the sea since they are both top predators with Serpentisuchops and Ophthalmosaurus doing the same

[velvet burrow]

Also, i thought there could be a megaraptoran since they seem to be very present in south american ecosystems, but there's neovenator

[flat pond]

Neovenator of course takes the role of a bleeder thanks to its claws and teeth.

[sullen cairn]

why is 9m neovenator

[velvet burrow]

Now, would you mind an actual suggestion?

[flat pond]

Idk, that’s a Pug question

[sullen cairn]

pug why is neovenator 9m

[flat pond]

Maybe, depending on what is being suggested

[west coral]

because

[sullen cairn]

make it 10m with phalange

[velvet burrow]

Nice

[west coral]

now that’s evil

[sullen cairn]

have several oviraptorosaurians
have multiple weird stem-hadrosaur offshoots
have small gracile tyrannosaur
be asia texas

[storm heron]

Appalachia was something back then eh

[light osprey]

Appalachia…. Texas…

[storm heron]

Pffft, my bad

Everytime I see Texas, I immediately think its from Appalachia

[sullen cairn]

lewisville and its consequences...

[pastel scroll]

Can I use pt rex as a Tarbosaurus and pot Rex for tyrannosaurus?

[topaz shell]

The anatomy wouldn’t match up

[pastel scroll]

I was talking about the slim variant for pt rex

[topaz shell]

The anatomy is still just rex

I recommend Z rex

[tough parcel]

No

[pastel scroll]

Idk what species for z rex tho

[tough parcel]

If you need to use a tyrannosaur, use PT rex for Tarbo simply because it has better anatomy across the board

[topaz shell]

I doubt people will stop saying rex tho

[pastel scroll]

Alamo what sub species of z rex should I use for tarbo

[tough parcel]

So? It'd be the same if you use Zhucheng mod lmao

[pastel scroll]

Also when did z rex get upsized?

[topaz shell]

True

There is a tarbo mod PLANNED like just concept by I forgot

[tough parcel]

So just use slim PT rex, no-one['s gonna care too much

[pastel scroll]

KTO is making one

[topaz shell]

O them

It’s pretty accurate

[pastel scroll]

Yeah it looks pretty good u just think the head looks a little weird

[tough parcel]

That's just Joans' skeletal, it's not the model

[sullen cairn]

thats cause tarbos a bobblehead

[pastel scroll]

@topaz shell what sub species should I use for z rex to pretend to be tarbo?

[tough parcel]

Brug

[topaz shell]

Bataar is the best bet

I mean it’s literally nammed bataar lol

[tough parcel]

Show a picture

[pastel scroll]

The bataar one looks like a rex

[topaz shell]

More like Alberto

[pastel scroll]

True

[tough parcel]

I feel like it's been elaborated as to why slim PT rex is fine, but you are insistent on Zhucheng mod

[pastel scroll]

Cuz now I’m realizing how lame PoT Rex is (atleast compared to pt rex)

[sullen cairn]

use das for tarbo

[pastel scroll]

💀

I mean………

[topaz shell]

Slim PT rex is fine

PoT rex is ugly

[pastel scroll]

Yeah but idk how to have multiple playables of the same species

Wait slim pt is fine cuz it’s like 5 inches shorter then normal rex so

[topaz shell]

Just act like PT normal rex doesn’t exist

[pastel scroll]

Then what should I use for actual rex?

[topaz shell]

Idk

[pastel scroll]

Ok guess I’m using z rex

[tough parcel]

Why...? Why are you naming PT rex Tarbo if you're just gonna have a rex

[pastel scroll]

I’m using pt rex for actual Rex and I’m using z Rex or dasp or tarbo (Probaly z Rex)

Can you have multiple of the same species in singeplayer?

[fossil ingot]

Imagine been such a chad croc irl only to be Spino Food in a video game smh

[jovial wadi]

Deino is obese. Its ridiculously big, idk how that thing could drag its body onto shore

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[pastel tartan]

Is barosaurus bigger than argentinosaurus?

[pastel scroll]

I don’t think so

But it is potentially the largest sauropod in the Morrison formation

[lavish frigate]

No 👍 so far no known genus of dinosaur (other than a select few fragmentary specimens) rivals Argent in mass

[serene moat]

Are those pot playables? Compared to deino and para

[sullen cairn]

just stuff from aguja formation

Leptorhynchos, cf. Chirostenotes, Paint Gap Hills Caenagnathid, Aguja Ornithomimid, Yehuecauhceratops, Agujaceratops mavericus, Agujaceratops mariscalensis, Texacephale, (cf.?) Edmontonia sp., (cf.?) Euoplocephalus sp., Aguja Tyrannosaur, Malefica, Aquilarhinus, Tyrannosauridae indet., Angulomastacator, Deinosuchus

[nocturne merlin]

euoplocephalus my beloved

[nocturne merlin]

i think its gui but look around for smth

[outer tusk]

Gui, and it was shiny black

[serene moat]

Anyone have any size chart of spino accurate recent one cuz I can't find good ones on goggle

[ocean drum]

These should be good

[fossil ingot]

This is the most recent one using the biggest specimen atm

[serene moat]

How heavy is that one, bc ppl saying apparently new estimate is 7-8 tons

[fossil ingot]

Same Spino compared to Sue

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[fossil ingot]

8.2 tons/tonnes iirc, tho depending the method you can get more🤷‍♂️

[serene moat]

How heavy is the average to largest giga?

[fossil ingot]

Largest Giga if you wanna count it should be the Dentary(10.1 tonnes)
If you don't use the Dentary then its 8.41 tonnes/tons iirc(MUCPv-Ch1)

[fossil ingot]

Actually its 8.36 tonnes, just rechecked smh, MSNM is 8.20 tonnes tho

[serene moat]

Is this accurate?? Or outdated

[fossil ingot]

I would say out dated
Rex Top view seems fine tho
I have a Spino Top View let me search for it
Idk Giga tho

[west coral]

All of those skeletals have newer versions to them

[fossil ingot]

Actually Spino top view seems fine lol
For most part

[serene moat]

ohhhh is that where the extra weight from it mainly went? Cuz I see in older stuff spinos tail looks the same just now ita tail is thicker??

[fossil ingot]

I don't have a Giga one tho😭
I only have old ones I think

[serene moat]

that's the old rex??

[fossil ingot]

This be Scotty
Top View is similar/same as the one you shared

[serene moat]

God damn, bros a fridge keeper my gosh is he so wide😭

[serene moat]

Where do u find these things? On twitter or smth

[fossil ingot]

For Giga I only have this tho

[fossil ingot]

Some on Twitter/X and some in other Paleo-Chat from other servers

[serene moat]

Ohhh I seen that one but I wasn't sure if it's old or not, cuz I feel like he looks abit odd but maybe that's just me

[clever sable]

Outdated

[lavish frigate]

Probably the wrong channel for this

[frigid slate]

ah i see now sorry

[lavish frigate]

How are these goobers accuracy wise?

Majungusaurus 👍

[leaden vigil]

Pretty good, one thing I would point out is the missing knee joint.

[warped peak]

Extremely rough, first attempt of anything of the sorts.

Reworking the Effigia skeletal to match the shuvosaurid recontruction of Sillosuchus. Does it look generally accurate? I'll likely need to work with skeletals more so any criticism is valid lol

[lavish frigate]

Thanks 👍 and I sometimes forget that for whatever reason lol. Might be because I draw without a reference

[leaden vigil]

No problem, and its a common mistake generally made because of the way bird legs look and their similarities with theropod feet etc.

[sullen cairn]

WE BRINGING BACK 1000KG+ TILLETTI WITH THIS ONE

[outer tusk]

real

[sullen cairn]

ew

[barren lagoon]

Can you make a model for me

[outer tusk]

1000kg tento & 590kg concave

[last iron]

I thought that was campto for a second 😭😭😭

[scenic flame]

is this 557 and 700 kg respectively? also where'd ye get it?

[topaz shell]

Prior teno is a rat

[stiff osprey]

557 and 1250kg

[sullen cairn]

557mm and 700mm femora

[scenic flame]

oh

[sullen cairn]

and the 680kg gdi is from a specimen with a like 57cm femur

[scenic flame]

this

gonna save this, for PT tenonto

[sullen cairn]

there's also a 66.3cm femur so there's a bit of a buffer at least

[scenic flame]

so roughly speaking, with what we have currently tenonto seems to range between 600kg - 1250kg?

[sullen cairn]

looks like it
cause iirc the 55.7cm femur is still a mature adult
but tenonto has some histology papers which prolly have better insight

[lavish frigate]

Ok….how accurate is my precious baby? I feel pretty good about this guy

[frosty anvil]

REALLY solid

[lavish frigate]

Ooooh nice

Glad he good

[crude latch]

…

Gah I wish I was a good artist this is so nice 😭

[topaz shell]

If only my skills were that good

[sullen cairn]

new moroccan hadrosaurs https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-53447-9

[outer tusk]

this is awesome

ah so this is the formation it's from

[unkempt roost]

Uh

What are y'all's favourite African dinosaurs

Very random question once again but it's there so uh, answer it? By any chance?

[warped peak]

Kaprosuchus: It's a crocodile from Africa and the time of dinosaurs, it counts

[nocturne merlin]

wes that better be an emoji

[unkempt roost]

Very based

[warped peak]

[nocturne merlin]

either eocarcharia or kentro

[unkempt roost]

Nice

I'm gonna have to go for myself

It's just so weird that it's cool

[tranquil quartz]

Majungasaurus

[snow python]

How big is the largest Velociraptor?

[silent talon]

@elfin pulsar here are the pterosaur I was talking about

[elfin pulsar]

They’re cute

[tranquil crescent]

So, are any of you fans of Irritator challengeri

[west drum]

Spinosaurus and majungasaurus

[blissful bison]

Suchomimus and Simosuchus

[velvet burrow]

I know little to nothing about african dinos (shame on me) but i'd say spinosaurus

[brisk acorn]

its an interesting dinosaur

[sullen cairn]

rugops

[pastel scroll]

Rugops carcharodontosarus, suchomimus, and I non dinosaur one, sarcosuchus

Gorgosarus was smaller then daspletosarus right?

[tranquil crescent]

thanks for the compliments

[light osprey]

Vintana

[tawdry birch]

https://tenor.com/view/archaeopteryx-dinosaur-hungry-chomping-chewing-gif-14470215

[native kindle]

hey, do any croc nerds here know anything about Necrosuchus?

[native kindle]

(ping me if anyone has any information ty)

[pastel scroll]

I’m a croc nerd but I don’t even know about that

[sullen cairn]

my favorite dinosaur

[pastel scroll]

But from the images I’m working with they look like they would’ve been piscivores

Also does anyone know the size for deinosuchus hatcheri? Cuz I remember a size estimate of 33 feet

[west coral]

Vorombe titan

[west drum]

Does anyone have sausage looking abelisaur skeletals?

(besides majunga)

[native kindle]

it's an early palaeocene caiman! but i know nothing about its size or rough estimates of it, so i was looking for help with that

[warped peak]

It has funny big teeth

[native kindle]

https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/article/163/suppl_1/S228/2627103?login=false there's a paper on it but im not smart enough to understand this stuff

[humble dove]

it looks very realistic

[fossil ingot]

Cool guy

Best Name Origin fr

[steady rock]

permian extinction event

[west drum]

Is there a 2023 giganotosaurus skeletal? or the must up to date one?

[steady rock]

i stole this off of someones twitter, but paleo chat, how do you feel?

[scenic flame]

ever tried eating a pinecone

[jagged trellis]

a pinecone that can fight back+ isn't sceli bigger?

[crude latch]

This…..how is this even a question 💀 it’s so obvious

[steady rock]

some commentors would disagree sadly

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119043502177800267/1204278257852088320/IMG_0749.jpg?ex=65dd6107&is=65caec07&hm=9b2938efc716153015cf0c37b7215f660f34771c84e9bee15479128bb096c61c&

[steady rock]

the other post which i could not find was a bison vs majungasaurus

[light osprey]

The cunning Bison easily dispatches the fiendish Reptile

[lucid ibex]

Yeah. Didn’t taste nice.

[ancient crystal]

With its superior speed and not at all ruined gene pool, the cheetah is bound to win obviously

[pastel scroll]

What are the current size estimates for livyatan melvelli?

[outer tusk]

45t

[pastel scroll]

No like in length

I remember someone from KTO saying it was 13 meters

[outer tusk]

Then just say length but like 15m ig

[pastel scroll]

I wonder if they lived in family groups like orcas but smaller

But they prob didn’t

[outer tusk]

Doubt it due to they're large size

[pastel scroll]

Yeah, but now that I think about it sperm whales live in family pods and they were bigger then livyatan but those family pods are mostly composed of female sperm whales

Male sperm whales live alone correct?

[outer tusk]

Female sperm whale are like barely over 20t mostly

[pastel scroll]

Dang I didn’t know they were that small

[outer tusk]

Yes

[outer tusk]

Crazy that 17t-20t is considered "small"

[pastel scroll]

I’m not calling them small I’m just saying they are smaller then I expected

[outer tusk]

Likewise due to Livayatan size (mass) being maybe comparable to a average bull cacahlot whale, they for sure lived solitary life

[pastel scroll]

I still remember seeing a size estimate that puts Livy above megalodon in length but that’s inaccurate cuz meg was like 18 meters and the size for Livy in that video was 17,5 meters

[outer tusk]

Crazy

[pastel scroll]

Ik

I’m a Livy fan boy but I don’t think it can go past 18 meters but that’s just me

Also are those 100+ ton megalodons still accurate?

[outer tusk]

https://twitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1584928023694159872?t=CEBNGEJ46kdhmLKvq-X5Gg&s=19 @pastel scroll

Tosha (@fishboy86164577) on X

The giant itself, Livyatan. Scaled with the proportions of Brygmophyseter, a (potential) close relative. Scaling like this gives a total length of only about 12 and a half meters, which makes sense in light of other macropredatory cachalots having proportionally massive heads

Twitter · Oct 25, 2022, 3:21 PM

[pastel scroll]

[outer tusk]

Yes

As Random has stated before a maximum size for Megalodon can be 127t but not above 130t-150t

[outer tusk]

I do suggest reading further, so you get a better understanding of the thread

[pastel scroll]

Ok

[outer tusk]

I mean why would you do something paleontology related without reading one thread or paper at least once.

[native kindle]

[velvet burrow]

Yea

Apparently that's the average estimate while also being the largest estimate for repenomamus, the former biggest mesozoic mammal

[clever sable]

There are some other estimates that place it up to 14-15 meters but the 16+ meter estimates are utterly garbage

[outer tusk]

no

okay nvm am lying but I think it's far and few\

[clever sable]

But it's true, like factually there are some newer estimates that place it at 14-15 meters

Personally a range of 12.5-14.5 meters for the holotype is what I believe

[clever sable]

Also that's just for the largest known specimen using the old proportions (although technically the old proportions are still possibly accurate as there is still a debate over if the new proportions are better)

[vocal breach]

It’s crazy to think that the upper estimates of deino could rival and surpass livy

[clever sable]

Livyatan would still be bigger because size is measured in mass

[vocal breach]

Yeah, but length wise

[white matrix]

Any one have a maiasaur skeletal?

[viral gulch]

Anyone want to form a group whit only LATENIVENATRIX?

[topaz shell]

Is this good for mosa or basilo

[arctic crane]

How much fossil material do we have of torvosaurus tanneri?

[fossil ingot]

Opinion on design and accuracy of this Torvosaurus Design?

[tough parcel]

Actual gold

[fossil ingot]

Their Stegos are also pretty good, this is just the art but the model since in one video is around the same

[hybrid saddle]

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2024/02/fe4b359cdf0f-tyrannosaurid-jawbone-fossil-found-for-1st-time-in-japan.html

[crude latch]

👀

[sullen cairn]

further proof tyrannosaurins ate gigantoraptor

[outer tusk]

it's really good and really goat'd

[fossil ingot]

Gorgosaurus The GOAT

[lavish frigate]

Tyrannosaurus bataar my beloved…..

[topaz shell]

How good is my torvo

[ruby patio]

Needs a slightly more robust maxilla and upper jaw in general

[unkempt roost]

Give artstyle

This is sick

[topaz shell]

The skeletal?

[unkempt roost]

Oh

Then yea sure if that's the best that I can dig out lol (I just realized that was a pun, I am greatly sorry for this.)

[potent anchor]

https://japantoday.com/category/national/tyrannosaurid-jawbone-fossil-found-for-1st-time-in-japan
Look, Uwutyrannus has been found 😂

[unkempt roost]

I saw the meme you made with the front view

And as a pt rex main, I can confirm that is their reaction.

[warped peak]

Today j learned of Lanky Fukui

[native kindle]

get with the times🙄

[sudden wind]

Unholy good

[last iron]

True

[velvet burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-kylo-ren-more-star-wars-the-last-jedi-gif-24584001

[frosty anvil]

It didnt post the edited version on my end

[velvet burrow]

Got wyrex'd

[velvet burrow]

NOoo

[warped peak]

What in God's name

[frosty anvil]

Thats just the normal one

[warped peak]

What is it though

[frosty anvil]

Leaellynasaura I think

[woeful falcon]

Ye

[mossy anchor]

Someone in my class said megalodon is a dinosaur because it looks like a dinosaur and existed with dinosaurs.
I asked him if mammals are dinosaurs because a few existed alongside dinosaurs, he said that’s possible.

I explained to him how….animals work, and he’s still convinced megalodon is a dinosaur

[crude latch]

Your friend….omfg….you just shouldn’t be friends with him….there freaking dumb as bricks

I can’t believe people like this exist

[mossy anchor]

No no im not friends with em, he is extremely immature

[frosty anvil]

Laeallynasaura jormungandr, its tail stretches all the way around the world

Wow it feels weird not having a laten pfp here (nitro expired)

[lavish frigate]

Megodon…..was/did none of those things….

[crude latch]

My fav shark, Megodon

[lavish frigate]

Dang it

[lavish frigate]

Ask him if birds are dinosaurs because they lived with the- oh wait a minute….

[mossy anchor]

My message was deleted, weird but aight.
Yeah i might ask him that itd be funny

[pastel scroll]

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news but your classmate is stupid

[mossy anchor]

No its ok i knew that. They think elon musk will be creating “super sonic hyperloops” in 2050 to travel

[pastel scroll]

In his logic sharks are turtles because they lived with turtles

[crude latch]

OH ACTUALLY ask him if we are cockroaches because we live with cockroaches

[clear oyster]

Hello everyone

[copper flame]

greetings

[west coral]

guh

[native kindle]

wowzers

[lavish frigate]

Is this whom I think it is……

[west coral]

ludodactylus?

[rose thorn]

Ye

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nod-agree-proud-jeremiah-johnson-gif-13827796

Love that guy

[rose thorn]

Tropeognathus, Coloborhynchus, Anhanguera, Ludodactylus, Kariridraco, both species of Tupaxuara, Thallasodromeus, both Tupandactylus species, Lacusovagus, Tapejara, Ikrandraco, and Caupedactylus (?). There’s too many ornithocheirids to remember

[grizzled ember]

why is the leg so awkward tho

[west coral]

No colobo or ikran

[topaz shell]

Idk why

[west coral]

it’s just santana basin

[sullen cairn]

romualdo megaraptoran erasure

[west coral]

yes

[outer tusk]

Why are there a second spinosaurid?

Is it Augturama?

[west coral]

yep

[light osprey]

Lump em for convenience

[compact leaf]

say this in front of a group of morrison sauropod researchers, start a gang war

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-kylo-ren-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-i-know-what-i-must-do-adam-driver-gif-26011680

[inland kernel]

Pterosaur studios?

[native kindle]

it's a formation, not a mod group

[rose thorn]

Then what’s the weird light green goob with a bottom beak crest

[slate walrus]

shortening ikrandraco to just ikran is a little bit goofy

[flat pond]

So I decided to look into mid-size sauropods within dinosaur survival games and I find a few that make me scratch my head in confusion as to how do some people think some of them are viable.
The sauropods I took a look at are:

Camarasaurus from The Isle
Amargasaurus from PoT
Diplodocus from PE
Shunosaurus from PH

At least two of these have “concerns” about them.

[viral gulch]

Anyone here knows how to not lose level when die?

[tough parcel]

Camara and Shuno are fine cause they could get to large sizes

Also I hope you know you cost me a tyrant slot

[compact leaf]

diplodocus is a decent sized animal too

[flat pond]

True they are ok. My concern with Shuno is it being made solitary while something like Torvo can form large packs.

Amarga I think is in a better place since it has knock back now.

Diplodocus I feel is too herd reliant within PE, especially since most Allo players tend to form large packs.

[stiff osprey]

What is PH

[tough parcel]

Primeval Horizons

[velvet burrow]

What is PE

[tulip dove]

Prior Extinction

[outer tusk]

What should change about my Basilosaurus

[frosty anvil]

What crocodilipmorph was actually more like ARK's kapro in terms of movement? Since ive been told IRL karpo's just low to the ground like modern crocs

Was it barinasuchus?

[topaz shell]

I would say any sebecid

[warped peak]

Araripesuchus, Boverisuchus, Pakasuchus and any Sebecid is close

[steady rock]

im so sorry but nasuto is gonna get obliderated

[crude latch]

Ye Fs

In this case it really just depends on the environment

[outer tusk]

50/50

[lavish frigate]

Ok these gotta start being more fair. Nasuto is half as tall as a person and probably less bulky lol

[lavish frigate]

Postosuchus

Bigger and likely armored

[tough parcel]

I'll get to the Posto-tiger later, my PC is lagging so badly

[heady thunder]

Nasuto wipes if same size

[steady rock]

I THOUGHT HIPPOS WERE BIGGER

[tough parcel]

They can be, but I chose a smaller measurement to make it fair

[outer tusk]

can I still use it and not refer it to as "small inviudal hippo"

[sudden wind]

BASED FORMATION

[crude latch]

Despite size to like I said I think the environment also plays a big factor in this no?

[sudden wind]

Is it H.gorgops ?

[west coral]

H. amphibius

[lavish frigate]

People of silly Dino chat. This a good looking Dromaeosaur arm?

[tough parcel]

I mean yea, it’s still an adult hippo

@crude latch Yea obviously because Nasuto is in no way, shape, or form suited for water

@sudden wind Modern hippo

[crude latch]

Ye

[outer tusk]

I think ti looks great but I think it could look more like this

[lavish frigate]

It’ll end up covered in feathers and fluff so it’ll look better

[clear oyster]

So…how’s everybody day been so far?