paleontology

[bright veldt]

biggest extinct whale genus

[copper flame]

ye

[sullen cairn]

guys this is "the coal ridge behemoth" i will reveal more information in may

[warped peak]

What's Otodus megalodon actually sitting at nowadays? There never seems to be any confident sizes on it because the numbers are always changing

[outer tusk]

61t-127t

[bright veldt]

Adults range from 14-20 meters, 35-100 tons

[sullen cairn]

my brain is so fried i cant even tell if this is supposed to be a last stegosaur joke or not

[stiff osprey]

excellent, my birthday's in may. I get the gift of natural horrors beyond my comprehension

[warped peak]

Makes more sense. Still big shark

[copper flame]

imma guess the second the paper comes out on the yellowstone hyperpredator will either

1. be debunked immediately on twitter and then another paper or
2. everything is gonna be slightly right and its just gonna be the date of the fossils will be set in a diffrent time

[warped peak]

Honestly I am a big fan of Perucetus simply because it's about time we had an extinct whale that may have actually rivaled Otodus in size, even if it was absolutely chow for it

It seems so biologically improbable that never at any point did whales reach a real size before Otodus died

[warped peak]

Option 3: It's actually a turtle

[sullen cairn]

abelisauridae is tardy for an ekrixinatosaurus 2 incident ngl

[west coral]

for the love of god stop making lovecraftian horrors every chance you get

[sullen cairn]

although i suppose the "horifically miscaled like actually how the hell did you mess this up" thing was wasted on thanos

or rajasaurus/lametasaurus

[stiff osprey]

don't you hate when you hype up a taxon to be twice its actual size only for that to still be a medium sized abelisaur and nobody cares

[compact leaf]

I just want to stop seeing “biggest sauropod ever” thrown on every titanosaur, but I know it will never happen

[copper flame]

other than the 200 size range im confident it will be at least 105 tons to 90 and will be moved to another era in time because idk much about oligocene ocean fauna but im guessing there pretty much non existent when it comes to feeding a macropredatory whale

[sullen cairn]

the absolute state of ceratosauria

[warped peak]

100 ton Macropredator is basically impossible in almost any time period

[copper flame]

yes

[stiff osprey]

I just saw a ''the biggest dinosaur??'' youtube video on Bustingorrytitan and I'm like... that thing's barely 30 t

[sullen cairn]

thanks edge

[west coral]

blue whale

[outer tusk]

is there a 2024 fraonys skeletal?

[sullen cairn]

[west coral]

busting is the best sauropod ever

[copper flame]

the Triassic and Eocene seems like a good place to sustain a large macropredatory whale

[outer tusk]

I didn't know marine mammals evolved from the trassic

[warped peak]

macropredator

[outer tusk]

me when joke/not serious comment:

[sullen cairn]

idk man i'd say the blue whales a pretty large predator
macro sized, even

[stiff osprey]

can't get more macro than blue whales

[outer tusk]

agreed

[copper flame]

im not saying that lol
im just saying it could feed a 100+ ton macropredatory whale🗣️

[outer tusk]

life is life

[sullen cairn]

eobluewhaleatrox vs swissbiggus icthyus

[lavish frigate]

Tell that to the goldfish in the bottom of the bag when I reach my hand in there to grab them ( 💀)

[west coral]

I’d say he’s pretty big

[copper flame]

murusraptor victim

[compact leaf]

it would be nice to get "look at this cool new non-titanosaur" for once

[warped peak]

Dakotaraptor sweep

[outer tusk]

this image goes hard

[sullen cairn]

it looks so done with everything

[copper flame]

parvicursor obliterates

[west coral]

eobalaenopterus atrox and macroicthyosaurus heveltica gen et sp nov

[outer tusk]

"Dakotarapotr sweep"

[storm heron]

It be really funny if Perucetus was actually prey for another larger marine carnivore in its environment.

[warped peak]

That's the wrong shape, it should be circular smh

[outer tusk]

whale eye

[sullen cairn]

whale eye'll be damned

[outer tusk]

HA , chat how real is this paleoart

[copper flame]

anyway checkmate to all of you Yellowstone hyperpredator 200+ ton deniers🗣️

ITS REALLLLL

[west coral]

whale eye’ll be sentencing you to life in prison if you make one more horrifyingly large animal, shrink them all you want but I beg stop making fragmentary giants

[lavish frigate]

Paleo chat when the giant macropredatory ichthyosaur avengers take back their status as 100-500 ton monsters and griddy on the haters

[copper flame]

[lavish frigate]

I banish you in the name of Yellowstone and Hector…..

Darn it I randomly sent the word “I’m” after incorrectly pressing send 💀

[copper flame]

skill issue

im just better

anyway what even the art shown in the left? Like what whale is this showing? bc ik for a fact that nobody has already made art of this thing

[lavish frigate]

Ichthyosaurus sp. from 1850 is very mad at you right now (he’s also mad at being put in this genus even though his centra was as big as a tire)

[sullen cairn]

acrophyseter

[copper flame]

ho ho

[lavish frigate]

Oh btw just out of curiosity how would y’all rate this Alberto on an accuracy scale?

Just wondering if I need to tweak anything

[copper flame]

dont give it a dilophosaurus body, MAKE IT MORE ROBUST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[ancient crystal]

Isn't acrophyseter really small though?

[lavish frigate]

Okie I’m a bit rusty on Albertosaurines at the moment…..and coincidentally I’ve been drawing dilophosaurus a lot…..

[sullen cairn]

its not actually scaled to acrophyseter in that image

[ancient crystal]

Oh, are they just randomly placed onto the page?

[copper flame]

i assume its because its a macropredatory whale i guess

[west coral]

out of boredom and to add more fuel to this hellfire i have made an icthyosaur with a sclerotic ring the size of a 59/80R63 tire

[copper flame]

lol is scout good?

anyway whats the 5 largest largest macropredatory whales apart from Livyatan?

[lavish frigate]

Is he properly thicc now?

[copper flame]

eeeeh its better

[outer tusk]

what are you gonna name it?

[west coral]

Use this

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-try-again-stan-marsh-south-park-another-time-disappointed-gif-21976022

[copper flame]

its kinda lacks shoulder blades under the neck and its belly is a bit off

[west coral]

Glupp shitto gen et sp nov

[outer tusk]

woah this is beautiful, where is this posted

[stiff osprey]

the beast escapes kointainment

[outer tusk]

ngl I thought you was gonna actually give it a genuine name lmao

[outer tusk]

so am assuming it's wip also a updated my gasosaurus

[storm heron]

The proportions of this thing is so weird for its size

Its like a Juvenile Tyrannosaurid that didn't grow, the "Peter Pan" of the Tyrannosaurids.

[jovial wadi]

I thought it was a speedy boy like gorgosaurus

[copper flame]

its a older picture of my melanistic female tyrannosaurus named blair

[lavish frigate]

Tyrannosaurs with the rat tails 💀

[outer tusk]

@stiff osprey better?

[outer tusk]

How does it have a rat tail

[lavish frigate]

Weirdly skinny lookin

[outer tusk]

I don't look skinny it looks like a theropod tail

[lavish frigate]

Ok I’ve reached his final incarnation. Peak accuracy. Don’t question. Or invalidate him. Because. I’m. Lazy.

[copper flame]

.

[light osprey]

Hear me out. He’s still got a handsome skull

[robust jay]

what is the most accurate PoT animal?

[outer tusk]

none

[storm heron]

All of them are decently accurate (In appearance) as far as I can tell (from what I remember, I dont play as every dino).

[outer tusk]

yeah I do agree

[topaz shell]

Source

[outer tusk]

what

[topaz shell]

Drawing

[sullen cairn]

its him

[topaz shell]

man

[sullen cairn]

ceratopsid miscellania

[stiff osprey]

awesome

i did not know achelousaurus was actually normal sized

[sullen cairn]

yeah the thing's basal skull length is like 30% that of einiosaurus
which you wouldn't expect because of how scuffed the scalebars are

[light osprey]

When did lakustai get enormous

[sullen cairn]

there's no lakustai

[light osprey]

Guh

Whom could this be

[sullen cairn]

perotorum

lakustai's bigger

[light osprey]

Kind of tall in neutral posture

[sullen cairn]

its about the same height as the chasmosaurines at the same length

like 5.15m iirc

it gets an extra like 20cm because one occipital condyle is marginally larger than the type skull

[stiff osprey]

i love that pentaceratops casually stands a meter above everyone else despite not even having a particularly large skull

[west coral]

drumheller and canadiensis being forgotten

[sullen cairn]

pentaceratops is unironically such a stupid animal

like what the hell even is this

[west coral]

chasmosaurine shenanigans

[lavish frigate]

My spirit animal….

[stray wren]

Long leg go brt

Love Pentaceratops can't wait to getting to adding it and Titano

[serene moat]

Is pachyrhino really that big? It's the 4th from the left right?

[stray wren]

Pachyrhino is up there in the ranks of the largest ceratopsians

[serene moat]

So it's nearly the size of triceratops?

[sullen cairn]

the absolute largest pachyrhinosaurus overlaps with triceratops yeah

[serene moat]

What?😭 how heavy is the largest pachyrhino compared to trike?

[sullen cairn]

heaviest pachyrhino is like 5t
largest trike is [redacted]

[stray wren]

5t is a very generous estimate mind

[serene moat]

What's redacted mean

[stray wren]

There are specimens of Triceratops thought to be double that (unlikely, 7 tons was probably max)

[serene moat]

damnnn

Is eo in that diagram the brown one of the big green one??

[sullen cairn]

eo's brown green's titanoceratops

[stray wren]

Triceratops, Titano, and Pachyrhino are outliers, pretty much all ceratopsians capped at 2 tons generally

[serene moat]

Oh I thought eo had a bigger head than trike

[ruby patio]

See this is why you should label charts to prevent 20 questions about what animals in it 👒

[sullen cairn]

but that takes tiiime

[stray wren]

There's like, maybe 5 genera that break 2 tons and 2 of them are Triceratops

[ruby patio]

Average paleo logic:
Spends hours scaling every single ceratopsian
Can't be bothered spending five minutes labelling them

[sullen cairn]

there's a good bit more that breach 2t but yeah 1-2t is pretty standard

[stray wren]

(that's a joke)

[sullen cairn]

yes and?

[ruby patio]

Evidently table is collecting all this time to scale Mount Everest

[sullen cairn]

bottle cap scale mt everest

[ruby patio]

I'll book you a ticket to the top right now, with all the time you've saved you should be able to climb it (once you get a ticket you are obligated to scale a 270,0000 bottle cap mountain)

[sullen cairn]

lmfao

[stray wren]

Your Penta seems a bit big though, not that I'm complaining

[sullen cairn]

but look at this way
isn't trying to figure out whats what half the fun of it

penta's based off this

[stray wren]

Okay yeah 2000kg is about right

[proud sundial]

The back looks deformed lil bit

[stray wren]

Pentaceratops is just kind of like that

[sullen cairn]

yeah they kinda do that even though it looks stupid

[proud sundial]

Fr

[stray wren]

He's freaky and I love him for it

Looking at it you think it'd be heavier but He's right there at 2 tons

Lanky freak

[sullen cairn]

yeah it feels a bit screwy but its funny so i cant complain

[stray wren]

I need to do a PoT design for him when I get my new tablet

I have my ark design but it's well, for ark specifically

[sullen cairn]

ngl penta looks substantially less stupid in the flesh

[stray wren]

It does

Once it's got like, flesh on there it's less scrawny

[sullen cairn]

out of the unbridled kindness of my heart, version with names

Diabloceratops, Furatoceratops, Machairoceratops, MOR 692, Styracosaurus ovatus, Menefeeceratops, Wendiceratops, Einiosaurus, Kosmoceratops, Styracosaurus albertensis, Agujaceratops mariscalensis, Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum, Spiclypeus, Mercuriceratops, Centrosaurus, Utahceratops, Albertaceratops, Achelousaurus, Bravoceratops, Sierraceratops, Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis, Pentaceratops, Eotriceratops, Titanoceratops

[ruby patio]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-approval-nice-good-nod-gif-4860134

[frosty cedar]

Damn, diabloceratops is really that small.

Btw, where is triceratops? Or is titanoceratops a synonym?

[sullen cairn]

trike estimates are a mess and i don't touch em

[frosty cedar]

Ok then.

[heady thunder]

Some average trikes and mr Eo

[native kindle]

poor machairo

so tiny :(

[glacial trail]

One question is it true that para can weigh up to 18 tons (max) saw a picture on reddit of it and normel weight being 12 tons

[outer tusk]

the largest is maybe 10t but 8.3t using P. Tubicen is more reliable

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, they look about same in size.

[bright veldt]

The largest para is 12 tons with cyrocristatus or whatever it’s called. P. Tubican maxes at 8 tons and walkeri’s 3

[frosty cedar]

What's the biggest speculated weight of trike? 12 tons? 10 tons?

[outer tusk]

1 ton

[frosty cedar]

bruh

[glacial trail]

nah thats toooo much myb 25 kilos is avrage

[frosty cedar]

Maybe I'm misremembering, isn't it 15 kg? Am I stupid?

[glacial trail]

truee sorry ment to typ 15 kilos not 25 would be to much for it

[frosty cedar]

Alright, I'm not stupid after all.

[bright veldt]

We don't know tbh. Reliable trike mass estimates are hard to come by. There is, like, only one GDI of a 7 ton individual but I wouldn't be surprised if some are bigger than that.

[frosty cedar]

Yeah. I expect the biggest trike to be somewhere around 10 tons. Like rex.

[stiff osprey]

Largest trike estimates are 11 tonnes, but that is based on an incomplete skull that nobody's looked at in ages

You can say the biggest trikes are approximately as big as the biggest rexes

[frosty cedar]

Why do we have so much fossils of rex? Is fossil preservation biased?

I bet it is.

[bright veldt]

Probably yes

[frosty cedar]

Mother nature is T-Rex fan confirmed.

[stiff osprey]

Rex is one of the largest animals there, and the environment is biased towards larger things. It also had no predators as an adult, so the carcasses were more likely to avoid being eaten before burial, and probably liked to hang around by water bodies which are where fossils are made

[frosty cedar]

Oh, that's interesting.

[scenic flame]

because it's clearly a very unsuccessful animal, there's far more dead rexes than dead ankylosaurus, so ankylosaurus would've been alot more successful

just like how allosaurus was the least successful Morrison predator because we have so many specimens of it

[light osprey]

This must mean they have an equivalent average specimen size

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, tyrannosaurus is such an unsuccessful animal it's quite embarrassing actually.

[ancient crystal]

Inb4 someone either takes this seriously and gets upset or unironically agrees, both leading to a massive arguement

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-im-here-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-18535648

[idle talon]

Why do meteors always land in craters?

[ancient crystal]

Speaking of meteors, how deep is the crater caused by the KT mass extinction?

[woeful falcon]

googles 20 kilometers

Aka 12 miles

[idle talon]

At least five feet deep

[warped peak]

How do the biggest Ceratopsians compare currently? IE Trike, Titanoceratops, Pachyrhino, etc

[bright veldt]

1. Triceratops (8m, 7 tons)+
2. Torosaurus (8m, 7 tons)
3. Titanoceratops (7m, 6.5 tons)
   4, 5, & 6. Bravoceratops, Eotriceratops, & Sinoceratops (7m, 5 tons)
4. Pachyrhinosaurus (7m, 4.5 tons)
5. Albertaceratops (6m, 3.5 tons)
   9, 10, 11. Achelousaurus, Pentaceratops, & Sierraceratops (6m, 3 tons)
6. Centrosaurus (6m, 2.5 tons)

All ceratopsids above the typical ceratopsid size lol

[compact leaf]

pentaceratops only weighing 3 tons but standing like a meter taller than all the others is so funny

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/g8cqWwIwXsc?si=8oJvFNhgxQGdRPTX

[bright veldt]

cringe and misinformation

[lucid ibex]

Therizinosaurids are hard to draw

[outer tusk]

MID MID MID!!!!

[light osprey]

They are glorious beasts

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184952564450594937/1203780326648975390/786CEB13-BF35-4F4B-AD2B-0FC9B910563D.jpg?ex=65d256cb&is=65bfe1cb&hm=17a63fd4875fd9b1fc6f81d21ce6ed1170002f566c78e0a5d2578b9aa2c19ce7&=&format=webp

[lucid ibex]

They’re the skrunkle

[snow python]

Any idea from which game is this Ceratosaurus

[outer tusk]

it's not from a game it's just paleoart

[snow python]

I wanted to know where i can find more

[keen sky]

its hare bulgarien people who paly it game?

[open compass]

But Animation is 🔥 made by Wobbly works

[bright veldt]

Fair. Wobbly is the goat.

[bright veldt]

Julio Lacerda

[outer tusk]

the animation is the only good thing about this video

[open compass]

Guys have you seen this video? What's your opinion about it? (About modern dinosaurus desings)
https://youtu.be/p5w0mvCfOa4?si=LOLInF3Gek2WWWbv

[warped peak]

Big thanks

[outer tusk]

Its fine

[lavish frigate]

I feel like they could’ve made everything in the video less….ugly

[outer tusk]

Am gonna remake this price but I wanted to still ask this question

How accurate is my piece of a tyrannosaur eating a hardosaurid (Edmontosaurus . regailis )

[bright veldt]

This vid is well-researched. Pretty good.

[velvet burrow]

This is stegosaurus gular armor that people (including myself) seem to overlook

[warped peak]

WHAt

Stego had an armored NECK?

[outer tusk]

"The gular armor of Stegosaurus– small bony ossicles in the skin that formed a protective layer over the animal's throat."

[warped peak]

I mean that's a damn smart idea

Any evidence of it in the related Ankylosaurs?

[scarlet moon]

There's a good chance they have it being literal tanks

[tulip gyro]

what was so bad ab that video?

i didnt watched it bc ppl say it's bad

[outer tusk]

Everything except the animation

[white matrix]

Are basal theropods just ancient ancestors of later theropods?

[bright veldt]

generally?

You see a trend with coelophysids being the dominant clade in the triassic-early jurassic, between the early and late jurassic there's a lot of more derived theropods that're between coelophysids and the groups we're familiar with phylogenetically, then by the Late Jurassic all the major theropod groups are established for the most part.

[noble dune]

Speaking of stegosaurus, currently got a WIP drawing for stego proportion edits and my question is if S sulcatus is still valid or not since the only picture I can find with it shows it with a lot of miragaia-like spikes

Also there isn't really any place I can find with info about it either

[zinc solstice]

Some basal theropods like eodromaeus and Erythrovenator are at the base of the theropoda family tree and may or may not be the ancestors of later theropods we may never know because dna doesn't last for hundreds of millions of years. So We don't know if they are the ancestors of later theropods or close relatives we do know that those two theropods are the second and third earliest theropods to evolve found in the fossil record (there may have been more earlier ones that never fossilized or have never been found)

[white matrix]

What are the most common conditions for a fossil to be preserve?

[zinc solstice]

Usually near a river and quickly buried by sediment

[white matrix]

Realistically speaking,most fossils of prehistoric terrestrial fauna probably lies somewhere to deep in the ocean out of human's hands

[zinc solstice]

True

[hallow spear]

It’s not a shoulder spike, and it’s not related to miragaia. It clades with Stegosaurus. And is probably just individual variation of the thagomizers as proportionally it doesn’t differ and it’s not morphological different humerus wise(at least) the only diagnostic bit of Sulcatus is the spike

[sullen cairn]

preliminary attempt at scaling terminocavus and navajoceratops

[west coral]

mental illness taxa

[zinc solstice]

Is kimberella a basal mollusc from the ediacrian or a primitive group of early free moving animal?

[cloud dagger]

We don’t probably know for sure but it could be a basal mollusc

[wary heath]

Were scansoriopterygidae an actual group of dinosaurs? Or were they their own separate thing

[ocean walrus]

https://youtu.be/a5KuIGkoCE8

[empty glade]

how could theri actually defend itself?

[storm heron]

Nice, I needed this

Also, looks like we have another Gorillaceratops.

[sullen cairn]

In this case it’s just because pentaceratops is a dumb stupid looking animal

[storm heron]

Iirc, isn't the post-crania that is commonly assigned to Pentaceratops is actually just Pentaceratops sp?

[sullen cairn]

it was assigned to "fenestratus" but doesn't actually overlap at all

[storm heron]

Makes me wonder why in the first place was it assigned, unless we do have other post-crania that matches with "fenestrus".

[sullen cairn]

Yeah pentaceratops is kind of a mess

[outer tusk]

mid video

[light osprey]

With its mighty beak

[empty glade]

i doubt its beak would be helpful

[light osprey]

Can’t believe you’d doubt such a formidable beast

[zinc solstice]

Yes they were their own group of dinosaurs

[noble dune]

I only compared it to miragaia since the depiction looks incredibly similar if you compare it to miragaia (art by pantydraco)

[mossy anchor]

whats the best spinosaurus figurine i can buy? in terms of accuracy and quality. also, is beasts of the mesozoic worth it? the tyrannosaur and ceratopsians look amazing but i wanna make sure

[stiff osprey]

the new PNSO Spinosaurus:

[crude latch]

New fav Paleo Art by Gabriel N. U.

A pair of Dimetrodon fight over a Diplocaulus that the individual on the right has dragged out of the water. Permian of North America.

[west coral]

BoTM quality is 100% worth it

[bright veldt]

The claws could still be used offensively. They just clearly weren't built for that.

[mossy anchor]

oh that is stunning, tysm!!

[mossy anchor]

yeah thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure. i really want to get the 1/18th tyrannosaurus rex, but thats a slight price of 200+ dollars. i probably wont get any of the raptors because without proper feathers they're just meh to me (i understand the feathers not looking good, thatd be insanely hard and near impossible)

[bright veldt]

I have almost the entire raptor series + a few ceratopsians and tyrannosaurs. They're incredible.

[mossy anchor]

i might get the acheroraptor since i recently found out i might have a tooth of it

[west coral]

I have the 1/18 rex and I can tell you it’s worth your money, it’s beautiful, the photos undersell how big it is, and it’s extremely poseable

[tough parcel]

I bought the 1/18 rex and expected it to actually last, but when I tossed it at the wall at an approximate speed of Mach 10, it turned into dust

So honestly, gotta give it a 2/10

[mossy anchor]

oh wow, that really is cool! it looks so big just from pictures, so having it in person must be amazing. i also want to get the 1/18th since mostly all the other figurines are 1/18th, and a whole collection of scaled dinosaurs sounds sick as hell

[mossy anchor]

dude what the frick, if the BOTM Tyrannosaurus Rex 1/18th scale can't handle March 10, I seriously doubt it's worth the money...

[tough parcel]

Yea...

[light osprey]

Good to know, guess I’m never buying their products

[bright veldt]

I forgot to reply I'm sorry. The Smilodon stuff holds up but the utahraptor stuff wasn't. It's full of outdated raptor stereotypes and doesn't do justice to raptors or ESPECIALLY utahraptor at all.

[tough parcel]

The mighty slashing Utahraptor............

[lavish frigate]

What Tyrannosaur is it?

[outer tusk]

Albetosaurus ( as I said am remaking )

Am already pretty much done with Ed

[lavish frigate]

Ah nice. Still need accuracy advice?

[outer tusk]

No because I already got my reference

[lavish frigate]

[flat pond]

Just gonna post this cause why not.

[topaz shell]

Who’s this lil bud?

[storm heron]

I think thats Ceratosuchus

[topaz shell]

[chilly knot]

Voay robustus

[sullen cairn]

managed to unshrink terminocavus

[light osprey]

Always scheming

[tough parcel]

L, make it tiny

[west coral]

shrink it back, they look the exact same

[keen forum]

my main issue with this is knowing how well pliosaurs swim and turn i don't think any orca pod would want to even risk that. Unlike some of the modern day whales a pliosaur can pretty much turn on a dime and with jaws that can snap down with like 4-5tons of force i think they would treat them like a bull sperm whale and just leave them alone

[viscid surge]

Anyone know if we have any helicoprion material other than tooth whorls?

[viscid surge]

Anyone know if this goofy creature actually shed its teeth?

[tough parcel]

Erm...pack-hunting and orca intelligence..........

[heady thunder]

Nothing compared to REPTILIAN POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hallow spear]

Ya I know who it’s from though this isn’t a good reference

[hallow spear]

The pose on these r dumb should use the GSP study pose

[tough parcel]

So here's my contribution, obviously these are based off Dacentrurus, but no super accurate Miragaia skeletals publicly exist so

Obviously WIP bla bla bla, but it's there

[hallow spear]

Stegosaurs also didn’t have cheeks btw

Lepidosaurs are the best analogues let me find the sourxe

[hallow spear]

thats your problem not mine, i said so yesterday

that isnt yesterday

i said it being based on a dacentrurine is wrong i didnt specifically mention dans work is wrong

[light osprey]

Is the Stegosaur oral anatomy from Nabavizadeh’s book?

[hallow spear]

Its from somewhere in 2018 on oral apparatus structures
i think i got the link gimme a sec

[tough parcel]

Yea, but p sure the reply is very clear, I even included it for you ❤️

[hallow spear]

^

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/el6t3MKGbj4

[hallow spear]

"can find with it shows it with a lot of miragaia-like spikes" its very clear they were refering to dans art

[light osprey]

Ankylosaur internal phylogeny, he’s dipped his toes into a world of chaos

[tough parcel]

Wow, look who's trying to start a fight @real swan he's trying to bring in private issues

[hallow spear]

I have already reported you so im done with this pointless convo

[light osprey]

Speaking of cheeks, I wonder how far you can reasonably extend the rictus in Ceratopsids

[scenic flame]

Does anyone have a reference for the smallest and largest adult Apatosaurus sizes?

[tough parcel]

I think most skeletals do biggest? So that should be a good starting point

[frosty anvil]

That miragaia skin is so pretty tho i wanna eat it

[tough parcel]

God ikr, Dan's colors and patterns are

[hallow spear]

For Apatosaurus it depends if the OMNH Specimens are Apatosaurus or brontosaurus as the size varies wildly

[frosty anvil]

Where can I find more of Dan's art?

[light osprey]

Colour is a sin against science did you forget

[compact leaf]

38.8m OMNH

[tough parcel]

I think they have a Twitter? Some stuff on Wiki

[compact leaf]

I love spreading misinformation

[light osprey]

Holy sh*T it took too long to rewrite that message

[hallow spear]

He deff has twitter il lfind the link

[frosty anvil]

Alr y'all what birds can you think of that kinda have a rosetted pattern? Dosent have to be exact

[hallow spear]

https://twitter.com/ddinodan?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author @frosty anvil

pantydraco (@ddinodan) on X

just another sad artist
subscribe to my youtube for timelapses of my work :)
https://t.co/YHFEz22boJ

Twitter

[frosty anvil]

Thank yoy i will now consume all of their art

[hallow spear]

technically depends which as this one is only like mid 29m https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/820716746439786508/1134739995199017050/Brontosaurus_louisae_Skeletal__OMNH_Scaling.png?ex=65d05779&is=65bde279&hm=c0f60ba2f48a5126f67b7e478152e2c92c698e27fa27c65ef33fc3ecde65d567&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=565

[frosty anvil]

Oh shoot ive seen some of their art before!! The auk and teratorn are familiar

[hallow spear]

I THINK OMNH 1331 is like 38m basedo n Louisae or ajax, but if based on excelus its much more reasonable

[compact leaf]

oh I know, I just think the 38m one is funny lol

[hallow spear]

true

its like 110t

[light osprey]

Maybe something like mottled feather patterns

[frosty anvil]

True

[light osprey]

Scaled is a really cool look though

[real swan]

General chat reminder to remain polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our ⁠#rules.

[scenic flame]

gotcha

[keen forum]

"pack-hunting and orca intelligence" and a average of like 6tons vs a creature thats double its weight able to swim just as fast and turn better than it and has a bite that can end the fight quickly.

makes you wonder what orcas normally do when they see something like that with that intelligence, they leave or run

[frosty anvil]

Absolutely! I love scaled quail? grouse? I forgot. its been a bit

[tough parcel]

Yea but wolves hunt moose.....

[keen forum]

and orcas flee from bull sperm whales

[tough parcel]

And lions hunt elephants so...........................

[keen forum]

and run form false orcas

[hallow spear]

mfw giraffes start hunting lions..

[keen forum]

is that a orca or a giant predator thats meant to hunt big prey like the orca?

[tough parcel]

No way they run from false orcas 😭

[keen forum]

yeah pods of them are chasing off orcas

[light osprey]

Idk. If it’s for Dromaeosaur plumage, folks like to reference Phasianids

[tough parcel]

"Orcas are the apex predator" my booty

I could literally suplex 10 false orcas at the same time

[keen forum]

ah my bad its the pliot whales that are doing it

[tough parcel]

Oh

[light osprey]

Sissy Orca

[hallow spear]

Whats the one small sperm whale thing called
dwarf something?

[tough parcel]

^ pilot whales are small and stupid so orca skill issue

[frosty anvil]

Nah i just wanna see some rosetted birds

Tho phasianids are awesome. I love gamebirds as a whole really

Merriams turkeys and Western capercaillies are my favorites

Tho I am also a big fan of Willow ptarmagin and Bobwhite quail

Theres a lot of awesome gamebirds ok back to paleo chat

[flat pond]

Really impressed that despite them making Brontosaurus an alternate skin of Apatosaurus, Prehistoric Kingdom really made a solid Brontosaurus design for their game.

[hallow spear]

true that does look super cool

[flat pond]

Makes me really interested in what other species they will do like this, though their UI hasn’t been updated just yet that I know of that states the actual species name that we are looking at.

[bright veldt]

Dwarf and Pygmy Sperm Whales, which are in their own sperm whale family separate from the big one

[tulip gyro]

was utah nerfed or overpowered in the video ?

[gilded drum]

what will microrapter be like?

[chilly knot]

since when pilot whales became false orcas

[bright veldt]

I mean the fight itself wasn’t really the issue, it was the information

[open compass]

(Animation was made by Wobbly Works btw)

[nocturne merlin]

hold gentle like hamburger

[little mauve]

@light osprey found another metabolism paper, pretty cool climate and biogeography stuff included https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7259893/

[light osprey]

Trifecta of interesting topics

[flat pond]

What do you mean L?

[gilded drum]

HOT DIGGIDY DAWG CANT WAIT

[gilded drum]

OMG Ik your youtube channel

[tardy panther]

Does pachy charge nock off raptors

[storm heron]

Is this universal throughout the ocean or so far this interaction is only seen in Iceland?

[bright veldt]

wrong chat my guy

[bright veldt]

It's a specific population.

It's hypothesized that it's a particularly hostile defense response against now-extinct mammal-eating orcas, that is still ongoing despite this due to it being a behavior passed down the generations.

[sullen cairn]

ceratopsid chart antics part 2
now with Crittendenceratops, Diabloceratops, Yehuecauhceratops, Furatoceratops, Machairoceratops, MOR 692, Nasutoceratops, Coahuilaceratops, Agujaceratops mavericus, Styracosaurus ovatus, Menefeeceratops, Wendiceratops, Spinops, Einiosaurus, Kosmoceratops, Styracosaurus albertensis, Bisticeratops, Terminocavus, Navajoceratops, Regaliceratops, Agujaceratops mariscalensis, Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum, Spiclypeus, Mercuriceratops, Centrosaurus, Utahceratops, Medusaceratops, Albertaceratops, Achelousaurus, Bravoceratops, Sierraceratops, Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis, Pentaceratops, Eotriceratops, Titanoceratops

[woeful falcon]

The concept of two rows either never occurred or more likely you doubled down on a single row because you found it amusing

[west coral]

one row is perfect for ceratopsians due to head ornamentation blocking the faces of the others

[sullen cairn]

Third option: I can’t find it in me to put in the effort to make a second row

[storm heron]

Ah, also I did some homework and it seems that potential examples of similar interactions also occur in Norway and Spain.

[native kindle]

BISTICERATOPS MENTIONED

i like that fella but know nothing about it

[sullen cairn]

tbf it hasn't really been mentioned much of anywhere outside its description
has a great name though

but no parietal bar so L

[lavish frigate]

Wow……I wanna jump off Mount Rushmore now

[light osprey]

mcslayensis indeed

[tranquil crescent]

im gonna end my life if you make another joke that bad

[sullen cairn]

crimes against the state

[stiff osprey]

holy crap a non-GAT sinoceratops
didn't know that was possible

[cloud dagger]

https://www.sci.news/paleontology/sanfordiacaulis-densifolia-12656.html

[sullen cairn]

i was originally joking but i unironically kinda like this and now i'm not sure how to feel about all this

[stiff osprey]

non-pinhead sinoceratops is always an improvement

[storm heron]

Where did you get that skeletal from

[sullen cairn]

got annoyed by gats again so i shoved parts into sergi's styracosaurus

[ruby patio]

If someone read this sentence without context they would think you dismembered an animal named gats and shoved it into someone's pet dinosaur...

[storm heron]

Ah, alright, makes it look more normal. Though I have to ask, why do a lot of Ceratopsian skeletals that have them on neutral pose bend their form arms a lot?

Makes it look like its about to stand only on its forearms.

[sullen cairn]

good question

[sullen cairn]

nature is... normal looking?

[lucid ibex]

Hey guys

Imma summon the boogeyman

Nanotyrannus

[open compass]

Guys, did Tyrannosaurus close its mouth like that? or does it close its mouth full to the end?

[storm heron]

Sinoceratops giganticus

[open compass]

I'm talking about "what is the maximum when a Tyrannosaurus closes its mouth"

[open compass]

And the second one makes no sense for lips

[outer tusk]

why

[tough parcel]

I literally showed you an image perfectly explaining it

And how does the 2nd one not make sense

[outer tusk]

hopefully they'll elaborte further

[open compass]

You don't see the difference between these images?

[outer tusk]

maybe because they're different models?

[open compass]

In the first, the tyrannosaurus completely closes its mouth, and in the second there is an empty part and it cannot close its mouth full
And I asked which one is the correct one?

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosaurus individuals have different skull shapes. Both can be accurate. Neither discredits lips.

(Also just looking at it the second one might have tooth slippage)

[open compass]

So this is how it should be? It's normal and the maximum?

[frosty cedar]

Oh my god, the lip debate.

[open compass]

Lip debate? I'm talking about Tyrannosaurus skull 🗿

[frosty cedar]

Ok then.

[frosty cedar]

Judging by the picture that Gualicho sent, yes.

[open compass]

I'm just wondering how much a Tyrannosaurus rex could close its mouth, like in the first or second photo

Okay then ty

[frosty cedar]

[snow python]

Accurate?

[tough parcel]

None of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because the lower jaw is stabbing into the upper jaw!!!!!!!!!

[open compass]

I'm talking about maximum

[tough parcel]

Yea??? The image I posted is the maximum

[open compass]

You mean, it can't close it's mouth?

[tough parcel]

What are you talking about

This is closed

[open compass]

I'm talking about the skull.

[tough parcel]

I'm gonna explode

It's the same

[open compass]

On this image, it has lips, that's why it can't close it full
And I'm talking about the skull, only skull

[woeful falcon]

If it goes further than this, it will like, dislocate its jaw or something

[tough parcel]

Like if you ignore natural resting position, it's possible to close that far

It's like saying "I wanna know how far you can bend this disregarding everything in life"

[woeful falcon]

There will be space between the upper and lower part of the jaw but the mouth will be closed thanks to our friend lips

[open compass]

I'm talking about skull, not other parts, they are different 🗿 yeah, this example isn't good

[tough parcel]

It's the same concept

[open compass]

Not really but okay

[woeful falcon]

To go by your examples, they might be a little too closed just based on the teeth of the upper jaw that lay on the bone of the lower

Tho in the second one those teeth are loose

[open compass]

Okay thanks

[light osprey]

Looks like we’ve discovered Tyrannosaurus true neutral posture

[hybrid saddle]

Druuee…

[frosty anvil]

New stego recon just dropped

[crude latch]

[lucid ibex]

Bro earlier today I searched up skorpiovenator and it gave me a picture of citipati

[brisk acorn]

That is cursed LOL

[brisk acorn]

💀

[lucid ibex]

💀

[frosty anvil]

New skorpiovenator recon kinda fire

[delicate pelican]

today i searched up glupshittosaurus on duckduckgo and it gave me a image of monstanaspinus, how is this legal

[lucid ibex]

MEAAAANN 😭

[sudden wind]

These skulls are desarticulated.

[ocean drum]

I searched up manospondylus gigas and it gave me a picture of T.rex if yk yk

[lucid ibex]

I know

[sudden wind]

The skull articulations are wrong. The surangular is misplaced to the quadratojugal.

Here is, for example, Chomper skull being properly articulated.

Though Falcon did show properly articulated adult Tyrannosaurus skull.

[topaz shell]

Would bloop if it existed be a cetacean?

[crude latch]

Well what bloop we talkin bout

[topaz shell]

The iceberg sound one

[crude latch]

Tbh if could be anything it’s just a sound tbh

[topaz shell]

Maybe a big fish

[crude latch]

Why you even asking it’s just a glacier

[topaz shell]

True lol

[tulip dove]

''friendliest''

[stray wren]

@sullen cairn hey, size guy, you got a good penta skeletal

and more importantly, got a reference for how large it is compared to alberta?

[warped peak]

I know what you're planning

[sullen cairn]

forefoot could use a bit of work but this is a neutral of the gsp-adapted penta from the gdi

[compact leaf]

so albert is huge again?

[scenic flame]

always was

[compact leaf]

I thought table shrunk it again after making it huge but apparently I’m wrong

that was a confusing day

[sullen cairn]

i tried making it huge then accidentally shrunk it by a factor of 8 than unshrunk it back to huge

[compact leaf]

if you ever move on to sauropods you’re probably going to give me a heart attack

[pseudo slate]

are almost all ornithischians + sauropods herbivorous and all theropods carnivorous? are the few omnivorous dinos part of the ornithischians?

[west coral]

Most omnivores were theropods

[compact leaf]

ornithischians and sauropods are herbivores yes, there are herbivorous theropods though (oviraptorosaurs, and therizinosaurids are the prime examples)

[distant kraken]

Well, at least that stupid arguement about Albertasaurus being a valid name seems to have quieted down for the time being.

[stray wren]

Alberto's validity hasn't been called into question? Anyway, this look good-ish?

[woeful falcon]

I didn't see anyone questioning Alberto's validity here. And tbh idk who would anywhere

[distant kraken]

It was a year or two ago. The argument at the time was that the holotype fossil was too damaged to provide a proper comparison to any other fossil.

[woeful falcon]

If it was a year or two ago of course it quieted down lmao

[compact leaf]

something about the skulls being colored is very aesthetically pleasing

[sullen cairn]

in what world is a ceratopsid skull preserving the entire frill and orbital horns too damaged for proper comparison lmfao

like that is unironically hilarious

and jugals

[lavish frigate]

Just overall how are the designs for my lil adolescent dryosaurus and my adult and baba diplodocus (I’m asking here because for whatever reason I get quicker answers here )

[sullen cairn]

oh wait alberto not alberta

[light osprey]

Tyrannosaurus sarcophagus

[distant kraken]

Yeah, Albertosaurus. Truth be told, I do see where they were coming from, given that the Holotype fossil looks like it was stepped on, but honestly, it's a bit of a weak arguement in my opinion. After all, enough of the skull was intact for a proper comparison.

[outer tusk]

Dryptosaurus from 2019 vs 2024

Does the 2024 look more accurate and closer to a Dryptosaurus

[topaz shell]

👍

[west coral]

That is a massive dryptosaurus

[outer tusk]

if I renamed it "Appalachiasaurus " would it be better?

[west coral]

It would still be pretty big

Just scale up the little stickman

[outer tusk]

okay thank you

[crude latch]

Guys

What did ichthyosaurs evolve from 😭

[stray wren]

Lizards

[crude latch]

What lizards 🧐

[lucid ibex]

Land lizards

[stoic tinsel]

Ichthyopterygians

[pastel scroll]

Torvosarus tanneri was a sub apex in the Morrison right?

[hushed fossil]

Yes

[tough parcel]

No because Saurophaganax:

A) Sucks
B) Did not coexist with it, though it being before or after is tossed around rn

[pastel scroll]

Oh yeah, but I thought torvosarus lived in forests and Saurophaganax lived in plains and forests

[tough parcel]

See part B

[pastel scroll]

So torvosarus lives before Saurophaganax?

[sullen cairn]

Torvosaurus isn’t known from oh clahome a

[pastel scroll]

True

Saurophaganax only lived in Oklahoma?

[tough parcel]

No, but as of right now, the only confirmed Saurophaganax has come from Oklahoma

But considering they're living animals, I'd assume they could walk around

[pastel scroll]

I think they’re could be some in the Morrison

[sullen cairn]

They’re both in the Morrison

[pastel scroll]

Then why is gualicho saying they didn’t co exist

[tough parcel]

Because the Morrison spans millions of years and several states

[pastel scroll]

Yeah but at a certain point they would’ve

[tough parcel]

Currently, no proof they did

[sullen cairn]

The Morrison is half the size of India and lasts as long as the oligocene

[tough parcel]

I would win

[sullen cairn]

Furthermore Oklahoma was an absolute dustbowl

[pastel scroll]

Also thoughts about allosarus mobs? Because the lost world realism server is letting allosarus group up to 6 adults, but they’re growth stops at sub adult cuz the adult allosarus is Saurophaganax sized

[sullen cairn]

Probably a thing that could happen

[pastel scroll]

Also stupid question that I think I know the answer to Saurophaganax vs torvosarus (I forgot which species is bigger but I think tanneri is heavier so it’s bigger)

[pastel scroll]

That’s crazy

[tough parcel]

Saurophaganax should be completely disregarded until further published studies are done because as of right now, most (if not all) major information comes from unverified sources and word of mouth

Which is reliably a bad way to get information

What

[chilly knot]

what

[pastel scroll]

Nvm

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-black-guy-looking-at-you-reaction-twitter-when-you-do-anything-gif-21037735

[heady thunder]

Allo Max! Allo Max! Allo Max! Allo Max!

[pastel scroll]

Random question which species of torvosarus is bigger again?

[tough parcel]

They are the same general size most likely, tanneri just has a bigger specimen (Edmarka) that everyone likes

[pastel scroll]

Idk about edmarka rex

I know it’s a torvosarus and could’ve grown to “40 feet” but I don’t think that’s true and def not for tanneri

[tough parcel]

What, what makes you say "not true"

[pastel scroll]

It doesn’t feel like for tanneri, maybe gurneyi Becuase it was the top dog in its ecosystem but tanneri had to deal with Saurophaganax but idk (yes ik im dumb

[outer tusk]

It's big that all you need to actually know

[pastel scroll]

True

[sullen cairn]

tanneri didn’t live with saurophaganax

[pastel scroll]

Also because I love deinosuchus how big is deinosuchus hatcheri and schwemmeri?

[scenic flame]

Apex is a term that has fallen out if favour in science, the idea that there can be only one top dog so to speak is out dated and once again disproven by the existence of Africa

[tough parcel]

Erm....the Xenosmilus was the apex of primordial Florida....

[pastel scroll]

Also I can’t believe some people say deinosuchus loose to Tyrannosaurus rex

[sullen cairn]

never forgetti tyrannosaurus lacrimal found with deinosuchus holotype

[pastel scroll]

Schwemmeri or hatcheri?

[sullen cairn]

hatcheri

[tiny holly]

Not even just Africa, although its perhaps one of the most notable examples of numerous large predators in a single ecosystem. You look at most places on earth and there will be more than one large "apex" predator, the only exceptions tend to be very desolate environments that just aren't productive enough to keep multiple different species going

[tough parcel]

Deinosuchus when some new tyrannosaur starts fighting back (The local tyrannosaurs die when exposed to Deinosuchus)

[scenic flame]

Yeah, Africa is just tge best example because of Morrison it is

[pastel scroll]

Hatcheri solos all species of therapods 🤓

[tough parcel]

Bro puts a mega-gator against animals that rarely got above 5t

[pastel scroll]

Deinosuchus vs Astrogosuchus

[tough parcel]

Fragmentary estimate vs fragmentary estimate

Is this just a thing that's destined to happen, people use a bone fragment of a rib to calculate that Glupshittosaurus was 60 tons and because it's a fragment, no-one can reliably scale it so people use the largest estimate

[pastel scroll]

Also are those 33 feet estimates still accurate for hatcheri? Or are those 14 tons estimates accurate?

[scenic flame]

I don't speak American

[pastel scroll]

Oh yeah I forgot about to Amazon rainforest

There are like 3 apex or sub apexes in their right? The black caiman, jaguar, and green anaconda (the green anaconda is not really a apex tho)

[scenic flame]

Apex isn't really a thing

[pastel scroll]

Ik I just like the word

[scenic flame]

Top order carnivore is the favoured term since it better reflects their role in the ecosystem

[outer tusk]

why did you type this, feel very disappointed in you for typing this exact thing

[light osprey]

Only the lacrimal was found, thus the Tyrannosaurus had won the encounter

[chilly knot]

this cannot be real here

[outer tusk]

Saurosuchus is cool

[tawny drift]

Wow

[outer tusk]

wow what

[white matrix]

That is so inaccurate i want to fix that by smacking it back into accuracy

Is the pot allos arms too long? Ive always wondered that

[serene mist]

isnt pot allo too muscular and huge

[tough parcel]

It's not all that bad

[tough parcel]

Big yes, muscular no

[white matrix]

Uhhhhhh i think so but its kinda a fat boi rn

[serene mist]

couldvesworn allo skeletal was slimmer

lean muscle not bulkie like pot allo skull is so thick not narrow enough

[tough parcel]

Oh that's what you mean, that's skeletal, not musculature

[serene mist]

its both

everything on pot allo is sooooo bulky

i expect this for an allo but pot allo is thicker than both by so much

[sullen cairn]

unpopular opinion but considering alio/spino sizes ingame allosaurus' size really isn't a problem

[scenic flame]

Allo in game size only becomes an issue in relation to modding sauro or similar in

[bright veldt]

It’s very jarring next to the also-too-small Das. At least you expect spino to be big and alio has the speculative size thing going for it.

[sullen cairn]

speculative adult size amnh 680

[severe field]

Isn't PoT Allo pretty on the middle between largest fragilis and sauro on size?

[severe field]

Also i see the allo from Fred pretty similar on bulkiness

[zenith tulip]

Idk why people complain about allo size

[sullen cairn]

if spinosaurus can be big because of cranial fragments not even universally agreed to be spinosaurus we can have amplexus sized allosaurus

[tough parcel]

My PC watching me open PS while playing BoB for the 2nd time since it woke up

[sullen cairn]

680 isn't fully grown

and for fun might as well throw epenterias and co in there

[vocal breach]

How up to date is this one?

[sullen cairn]

good

[tough parcel]

Erm no Allo is fully grown so...............50t Allosaurus........

[lucid ibex]

Update: after all these years the dinosaur revolution theme still goes so hard

[sullen cairn]

adult alioramus should be the size of its close relative qianzhousaurus - acceptable
adult allosaurus should be the size of its close relatives epenterias (=allosaurus) and saurophaganax - harrassment

[serene mist]

its slimmer it has meat on its bones but its still lean while pot allo is thick even its skull is very thick unlike fred allo skull that narrows down

[serene mist]

dasp also lacks the barrel chest but u can get close to it with defense hide

[tough parcel]

When I checked last, Dasp is fine with width (base species)

[serene mist]

size of dasp is not bad but allo being ginormous doesnt help

[serene mist]

went top view and it was quite slim

[tough parcel]

Idk, I made a comparison a while ago (And I mean a while ago during Panjura) so I can't find it, but if you wanna take a top picture, go ahead

[sullen cairn]

society if mods didn't silence allosaurus' strongest soldier

[tough parcel]

I mean it's Allo so

[light oxide]

Anyone else heard about the discovery about Edmontosaurus's binocular vision?

[light osprey]

Beipiaosaurus type estimated adult size

[tough parcel]

Guh

[light oxide]

Let's just say that Edmontosaurus may have had better binocular vision than we thought:

https://twitter.com/paleoartologist/status/1754590408150241617

Hank Sharpe (@Paleoartologist) on X

My contribution to this paper describes how simply illustrating the skull of Edmontosaurus from the front led to a new discovery about its vision

Twitter · Feb 5, 2024, 7:38 PM

[zenith tulip]

Do you guys think if they rework allo and make it a bit smaller and slimmer, with the weight and stam change too?

[severe field]

Not the channel for that question, but no thanks

[snow python]

What are megaraptorans: basal coelurosaurs or allosaurids?

[bright veldt]

Coelurosaurs, most likely tyrannosauroids

[warped peak]

Predatory Edmont real

[wintry path]

edmontosaurus omnivor

[lavish frigate]

Note: this is a good thing because allosauroid megaraptoran reconstructions…..are freakin ugly 💀

[velvet burrow]

I like the repercussions of this, imo it would imply:

• Dinosaurs, specifically prey ornithischians, could've been more visually oriented than modern day mammals, meaning even less room for fancy colors on predators (and i'm GLAD)
• Further prove gregarious behavior on edmontosaurus specifically (lack of panoramic vision would be compensated by just having more eyes)

[sullen cairn]

its so interesting that edmontosaurus evolved bincoluar vision to better hunt and consume juvenile-subadult tyrannosaurus for calcium/protein supplementation

[heady thunder]

Nah, this just proves they were extra dumb and Trex could easily sneak up and no diff them

[light osprey]

Everything has better colour vision than mammals

[sullen cairn]

i'm adding pycno to the list of reasons justifying allo size ingame

[hushed fossil]

Guys what do we think of the extinct animals of Far Cry Primal in terms of accuracy and design in general?

[tranquil quartz]

The crocodile is meant to be Asiatosuchus?

[blissful bison]

good game

[hushed fossil]

It says so in the Wiki, but I wouldn't trust it

[hushed fossil]

AGREED

[tranquil quartz]

The game is set in Europe?

[hushed fossil]

Central Europe

10,000 BC

[heady thunder]

The sabertooth and cave bear are goated designs, I couldnt give a flying hoot that they have inaccuracies.

[tranquil quartz]

Ok so thats European Jaguar and European Dhole im assuming

[hushed fossil]

It would be cool if the Sabertooth was modeled after Homotherium and not Smilodon, but it's still pretty goated

[hushed fossil]

They are

[blissful bison]

¿Qué es el Homoterio?

[heady thunder]

Some smaller less cool then smilodon sabertoothed cat

[blissful bison]

ok

[tranquil quartz]

I mean Smilodon is overrated asf anyway Homotherium is better

I mean Taowu is better than both of them so..

[hushed fossil]

Dinofelis>>>>>>

[heady thunder]

Taowu the symbol of ignorance from chinese mythology?

[hushed fossil]

Lmfao

[tranquil quartz]

Taowu liui

[heady thunder]

Like it literally means stupid stump in chinese, that thing is not cooler then cat poop, let alone the other actually cool saber cats.

[zinc solstice]

The hadean and Archean are the best eras on earth (ediacrian too)

[warped peak]

I'm daring to ask again about Bahariasaurus

[frosty anvil]

"Dhole"
》african wild dog

Everything else is pretty nice tho even with inaccuracies

[hushed fossil]

It's called Dholed ingame lol

[frosty anvil]

I know

But its literally just an awd?

[hushed fossil]

It's funny tho

TV Tropes says that it's probably a Xenocyon, idk why

[hushed fossil]

Maybe to distinguish them from the Dholes from the fourth game wich looked normal

[bright veldt]

1. Triceratops (8m, 7 tons)+
2. Torosaurus (8m, 7 tons)
3. Titanoceratops (7m, 6.5 tons)
   4, 5, 6. Bravoceratops, Eotriceratops, & Sinoceratops (7m, 5 tons)
4. Pachyrhinosaurus (7m, 4.5 tons)
5. Albertaceratops (6m, 3.5 tons)
   9, 10, 11. Achelousaurus, Pentaceratops, & Sierraceratops (6m, 3 tons)
6. Centrosaurus (6m, 2.5 tons)

[hushed fossil]

Hi Scanova

[white matrix]

Clearly Micropachycephalosaurus is the largest as it has the longest name

[outer tusk]

does this mean monolophosaurus evolve into spinosaurs

[tough parcel]

No, it's just a basal theropod related to spinosaurs

It does not mean Monolophosaurus directly evolved into them

[serene moat]

Apparently spinos hips/start of tail is alot thicker now so it's gone up in weight? Is this true

[tough parcel]

Like...recently? No

Spino has not changed at all for months

[serene moat]

Ye recently

[tough parcel]

Never heard of it in the slightest unless @sullen cairn wants to step in

[zinc solstice]

Why did the enantiornithines not survive the kpg extinction event? Other than having a slower hatching and growing rate than euornithines and not being able to eat seeds?

[west coral]

why is there a random brontothere

[tough parcel]

Dog :)

[light osprey]

Those are the two reasons

[hushed fossil]

Why not 🙃

[west coral]

cause they went extinct a good 34mya before the ice age

[hushed fossil]

It's treated as a rare variant of the Wooly Rhino ingame

Take that as you will

[west coral]

That’s one deformed rhinoceros then

[hushed fossil]

Lol maybe, but I certainly don't mind it being there

[sullen cairn]

I haven’t heard of anything new since the first set of volumetrics for randoms skeletal were made

But I also don’t care about spino musculature so I may be a bad person to ask

[sudden wind]

No, that is not what it means.

It simply means that Monolophosaurus is among the basal most Carnosaurian and so that it is equally related to all the other Carnosaur taxon.

[outer tusk]

Okay yeah I was just repeating what someoen else thought

[compact leaf]

table are you in ornithischia and is it private?

[crude latch]

What were some small ish Ichthyosaurs with big fins?

[naive hornet]

I'm not sure if there were any fitting that description exactly but the holotype for the group name, Icthyosaurus was fairly small and had decently sized fins, though not extreme

[crude latch]

Hmmm

I’ll Take it into consideration for my lil short spec Evo

[sullen cairn]

wretched animal

[crude latch]

~~I’m trying to make Ichtyosaurs fly 💀 ~~

Don’t question it

[naive hornet]

Flying fish/Icthyosaurus hybrid lol

[crude latch]

Ye kinda, altho these guys do technically have powered flight soooo

Well kinda

[naive hornet]

Woah that sounds awesome

[crude latch]

So basically they’ve adapted to hunting seabirds via launching themselves out of the water much like flying fish as you said and they use there large, thin and strong fins to keep themselves aloft via flapping them like wings ever now and then. Along with this there back fins act as more of an air rudder then a water like much like you’d see in planes.

I also like to think they chill on beaches together from time to time :3

[naive hornet]

That's sweet, like a large tail fin like a thrasher shark maybe? There's probably some kinda prehistoric aquatic animal that had something similar

[crude latch]

Perhaps

[serene mist]

wats the largest ceratopsian and its heaviest possible estimate???????????

[sullen cairn]

probably some unhinged trike skull scaling

[tough parcel]

Big John the 18t monster……

[warped peak]

I'm heavily Butchering the RandomDinos Spinosaurus skeletal but I'm still following biological reasoning

It's locomotion on land is intended to be somewhere between a seal flopping and a toad walking. It is not intended to be fast, and the hind Limbs are not exactly super functional. Obviously it'll be a mostly marine animal like the elephant seal, however I'm unsure on some details

a) Would it be wise to add webbing between the forelimbs and the body? Most marine animals adapted from terrestrial have more flipperlike Limbs, and while I will be shifting the already flat arms and feet to be a bit more robust and flipperlike, I don't know if webbing between the elbow and body is wise

b) Rear Limbs. Should I make them more heavily muscled, or leave them as is? Realistically this Reconstruction is not likely to be a heavy duty land traveler, but its also quite a sizable animal, so it might need that extra force to move around

c) What is the current state of Spinosaurid crests? Were they adorned in keratin? Or were they just funny bone knobs?

d) Realistically, should I be leaving the sail as mostly a shelf of Bone protruding, or should I be making it more Fatty and covered in soft tissue? In modern Interpretations, I know it's usually only covered in light skin and some meat, but assuming a more marine lifestyle would mean it would be more able to withstand a higher body mass, so I'm not sure which would be better physically

[white matrix]

Not the spino farus again pls no

[lucid ibex]

SPINNER DOLPHIN ICHTHY

[lucid ibex]

So, i’m seeing a lot of different reconstructions of therizinosaurus with differing postures, I’m just interested to know before I start drawing if there’s one that’s considered more ‘accurate’ than the other?

One appears to be more upright and the other holds itself more ‘slanted’(?) I guess?

Sorry if this sounds like an incoherent jumble of words, I am speakn’t today

[light osprey]

Probably of a more upright posture?

[heady thunder]

Human posture

[lucid ibex]

[tiny holly]

Fair warning upfront that a spinosaurus at an accurate size using the locomotion you described would 100% be breaking its ribs, and possibly other bones. They're not made to withstand impacts like that. It also just probably couldn't be strong enough because of diminishing returns with more muscle adding extra strength, but adding extra weight too. Additionally I don't even know if it could move with its legs splayed out like that, like at all. The heavier and larger an animal, the more support it needs. This results in heavier animals having thicker, more muscular legs built straight beneath them like pillars to support their weight. It's probably why sauropods are plantigrade rather than digitigrade, as it gives them better support for all that weight. For an animal this large, it just wouldn't be able to move itself with its limbs to the side like that. If that all doesn't bother you though, then I'll fire away.

a) no webbing on the elbow would be fine. As a matter of fact when you look at most aquatically-inclined tetrapods the shoulder joint is one of the thinnest points along the entire forelimb to give them a greater degree of control. Take a look at whales, manatees and seals for example, and how they're at their thinnest closest to the body.

b) Big animals need strong legs to move at all like I mentioned beforehand, so if you want something remotely feasible they'd need to be pretty strong, but I guess it depends on how much you want it to be using its hind legs. More muscular could also imply they're more useful for additional propulsion when swimming.

c) As far as I know keratin sheaths seem very likely.

d) they wouldn't be super fatty or muscular, but probably shouldn't look atrophied either. As they're likely just a display structure they would have mostly been covered with skin

It's really neat when you look into it though, because this shift into a more erect posture is what allowed dinosaurs to be so much more large and mobile than most other reptiles. A sprawling stance is more stable, with a lower centre of gravity that makes you hard to tip (take a look at sumo wrestlers), but it has a hard time sustaining a lot of weight and is often less flexible too

[warped peak]

I see, thank you for the time put in the response and humoring me!

More columnar legs I could work on, although I'm not 100% sure yet if I'll go for that extent of accuracy

All of that being said, the real variable there will be how I balance out the forelimbs compared to the legs. In no universe is this going to he bipedal lol.

Physically moving along the ground alone will likely mean I'll need to increase the robustness of the shoulder girdle and forelimbs by a magnitude. With the change to the legs, for better or for worse, JFD's experimental quadrupedal posture does seem likely as the best way for it to move on land, albeit with some minor differences (pictured below)

Alternatively, I could lean into sprawling a bit. The original walk cycle was intending to be animated as grabbing both arms into the ground in front of it, and using them to heave itself forwards, while the back legs pushed off and forwards slightly. Greater overall balance on land could lead to some funny Sumo abilities (think elephant seal slam)

Or maybe the answer is somewhere inbetween... anyways thanks for your time and your answer, gave me a lot to think about!

[tiny holly]

If you're willing to take some admittedly very big liberties to make a quad posture work, taking inspiration from sauropod forelimbs could work really well! Have it basically walking on its finger tips as these thick pillars that can support its weight, but probably not fused the way sauropods are so they can spread out as a flipper for swimming. If you want it to retain its ability to butcher, the claws might be oriented differently a la sauropod thumb claws. Definitely a huge stretch buuuut its not like we have any described spinosaurus hand material ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warped peak]

Hmm.

It is quite neat in theory, although my aim is not alter the overall bone structure much if at all, primarily focusing on soft tissue and minor details. Changing how some bones interlock is a lot more radical than altering the proportions, but on the other hand, every part of this is kinda ludicrous. Finding a solid balance between realistic integrity and filling the intended role is difficult lol. If I can make it look more natural through muscle adjustment, this might be the way to go

Front view here shows I'm also taking the Irritator jaw split concept a bit and honestly, I'm not sure if it's advantageous or disadvantageous for it. As a marine fisher, having an ensnaring basket would be helpful, but it would also likely reduce the overall efficiency of the jaws to support a splitting mechanism. That being said, it very well might have to rely on using its robust and strengthened forelimbs to defend itself from larger attackers

[cedar kettle]

There is direct evidence of what Borealopelta ate due to fossilized stomach contents. It preferrred specializing in a specific type of foliage.

Quote: "Diet. Examination of the specimen's stomach contents indicates that ferns were a major part of the animal's diet. The fact that ferns made up the majority of Borealopelta's last meal suggested that it was a highly selective feeder."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borealopelta#:~:text=in species recognition.-,Diet,was a highly selective feeder.

[kindred night]

Should be noted we no longer believe this and bipedal posture is the most likely mode of movement after conversations with Ibrahim.

[warped peak]

Oh I know it's not the accepted current model, but it is still the most reasonable way for it to move on 4 Limbs

And fat seal Spino is most definitely not bipedal

[loud python]

the hand posture of that recon was primarily based on how Pterosaurs hold their hands, but the model wasn't made well enough to reflect that

if that helps on any thougths about what was attempted to get across

[keen forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646182730572496945/1160692111889420358/F78ptrKWYAEN6Vt.png?ex=65d27844&is=65c00344&hm=607ece24cc9295ef6cf9caadfeb48d2e97b31fd74d027a7cc341e7383aadf046&

the new spino does have a long tail i don't think it would be as unbalanced as other recons

[warped peak]

Luckily my Recon doesn't have such weakness

[frosty cedar]

Jezz, the model looks so goofy but interesting at the same time.

[broken violet]

The new PNSO edmontosaurus regalis is probably their most accurate hadrosaur

[serene moat]

How accurate are these about anky btw? Curious what's the Max size estimate weight for it and I wanna know more abt the blue one in the pic cuz it says it was massive

The green one at the top half of the pix says its 12 tons, the blue one on the bottom part of the pic says it was 8 with the smaller ones being 2 and 5 tons, are these accurate?

[bright veldt]

Fadeno’s is outdated tmk

Largest individual is 7 meters and 4.5 tons

[outer tusk]

^

[zinc solstice]

I noticed almost no one has drawn the bipedal small basal thyreophorans like scutellosaurus with some sort of feathers

I wonder did it even have feathers in real life?

[outer tusk]

Who's to say it or didn't, it all comes down to why

[zinc solstice]

Is it possible that basal bipedal thyreophorans might have had fluff in some areas like under the neck?

[light osprey]

Go for it buckaroo

[compact leaf]

it’s possible, it shows up very early so any basal dinosaurs could have it

[zinc solstice]

I mean a basal pterosauromoroph was found with feathers on the fossil so maybe feathers are ancestral to ornithodira

So it is possible that scutellosaurids could've had feathers so it's not inaccurate to draw them with feathers in some areas

[zinc solstice]

Are tarsal spurs ancestral to crown Mammalia? Just to see if it's a fact or a internet lie

Also I just learned that therizinosaurs are closer to house Sparrows than to ornithomimids

[outer tusk]

Guys
Did adult triceratops live in herds? I remember reading that they were solitary but now I can't find any recent info regarding that. And the modern documentaries show them as social

[bright veldt]

Given the amount of evidence for ceratopsid sociality I doubt they weren't, but likely weren't in the giant herds that things like styracosaurus and chasmosaurus did

[outer tusk]

so more honestly smaller ceratopsid did this to defend themselves more from their predators like many herd animals today?

[bright veldt]

Ceratopsids in general relied on numbers a lot like hadrosaurs yes.

[sullen cairn]

i wanna see pachyrhinosaurus sealclub an albertosaurus

[outer tusk]

☠️

[light osprey]

Perotorum easily dismantling the diminutive Nanuqsaurus

[sullen cairn]

weakest centrosaurine vs strongest tyrannosaurid

[warped peak]

What does this even mean

[sullen cairn]

use your imagination

[warped peak]

Oh no

It's Kairukin time isn't it

[outer tusk]

Forgot can I use random's wip Alberto skeletal?

[sullen cairn]

It’s posted in theropoda so I’d imagine so

[outer tusk]

Where I didn't see it in skeletal reconstruction

[white matrix]

Ight, this is for smth important, who would win in a 1V1, torvosaurus tanneri or gorgosaurus

[outer tusk]

"Who wins in a hypothetically fight that never will happen and should never happen!!!!!!!"

|| Torvosaurus ||

[white matrix]

Oh yeah, also forgot to mention the torvosaurus has grenade usage, while the gorgosaurus can use a pistol

[outer tusk]

[indigo flume]

Drew this on the white board today what do yalls think?

[velvet burrow]

Funny that it's actually the other way around

[white matrix]

Bro. The spine was completely different IRL, 0/10

[crude latch]

Ngl this goes kinda hard

[indigo flume]

That a good thing?

[crude latch]

Ye

[indigo flume]

W

Thx

[outer tusk]

I love it

[indigo flume]

Ty

[outer tusk]

Np but what reference that you used?

[indigo flume]

Memory sorry if its not totally paleo accurate

But i guess i had a mix of path of titan and prehistoric kingdom in mind

[outer tusk]

Ngl it's pretty good do you want a reference to make it more Paleo accurate?

[indigo flume]

Sure would love that

Very kind of you 🙂

[outer tusk]

@indigo flume

[indigo flume]

Noted

So what im getting is a more S shaped neck and a slightly shorter tail?

As well as a more up right posture

Got it

[outer tusk]

the upright posture is up to you

[indigo flume]

I like the more forward posture i had but ill do the S shaped neck and slightly shorter tail for sure

[outer tusk]

Good on you, gl anyways

[indigo flume]

Ty i’ll see if i can get it done tomorrow and send at like around 3 ish

[white matrix]

I had no clue that ankylosaurs and nodosaurs had evidence for long prehensile tongues, that's pretty cool

[white matrix]

I'm seeing alotta spino talk, so I wanna talk abt it aswell

I think spino is basically an oversized duck/pelican, and nothing else. And no it cannot beat a rex, thats basically pitting a athletic swimmer up against a world champion boxer.

[tough parcel]

This is the coldest take on Spino I have ever seen

[white matrix]

I mean someone's gotta do it

[tiny holly]

For what its worth the whole irritator jaw thing wouldn't have been like unhinged jaws in snakes, but a slightly less extreme version of the flexing we see a lot of water birds do where the middle section bows out. Pelicans really take it as far as possible, but even birds like cormorants do it. At rest the bottom jaw fits snugly against the top, but they can open it in such a way that it widens the gape and provides a bigger catchment area. It is a pretty reasonable way to reconstruct spinosaurids imo!

[tough parcel]

There's a couple issues with this

[warped peak]

Oh I'm fully aware. The extra ridiculousness it adds is beautiful though

[tough parcel]

Oh heck, I forgot due dates

[warped peak]

Someone else got Midterms tomorrow as well?

[tough parcel]

Send thoughts, prayers, and adrenaline 🙏 🙏

No (luckily), art competition

[white matrix]

I know, I just prefer thinking it could swallow a sauropod whole if it wanted to.

It's a nice thought that tickles your brain

[tiny holly]

hey for what its worth I think taking inspiration from pelicans is still metal as hell. They're absolutely insane birds who will attempt to fit anything in their mouth, and have been seen swallowing small waterbirds suck as coots and ducks whole. and alive.

[warped peak]

Don't forget rabbits

[white matrix]

What does rabbits have anything to do with this

[warped peak]

They'll swallow whole rabbits

Edit: Whoops no that's Seagulls, my bad

[white matrix]

Oh

I feel like dinosaurs need to be recreated more similarly to mammals.

Not as a paleoaccurate thing though

[tiny holly]

I was about to say lol. Realistically speaking they should be one of the last things you compare them to

But even so I think ignoring other birds/reptiles for the sake of cool factor is doing them a disservice, there's a lot of really really interesting things about reptiles you can apply to dinosaurs

[fallow citrus]

how heavy was charonosaurus? if there’s even a weight estimate

[white matrix]

I think ppl should like, make dinosaurs accurate, in their design, but have them awesome bro in their abilities and stuff

EX: paleoaccurate tyrannosaurus but it can roar, and it's roar is loud enough to stun prey

[stiff osprey]

I've seen estimates from 4 to 8 tonnes. Probably closer to 8

[tiny holly]

Personally I wish we left this whole awesomebro stuff behind us more. Real, accurate animals are still incredibly awesome, and embelishing things genuinely does misinform people. A lion in an action movie can still be.. just a normal lion, and it'll still be scary and intense and powerful. It doesn't need anything else. T. rex is still an absolutely insane animal even when staying 100% accurate and reasonable

Though funnily enough if you want the "loud enough to stun" parasaurolophus is a better choice for that. I don't know about full-on stunning, but it could have been loud enough to hurt your ears that's for sure.

[fallow citrus]

thankies

[outer tusk]

1kg

[tough parcel]

Woah...Anjanath...............

[sullen cairn]

largest femora are pretty big scaled to fadeno's para

[topaz shell]

Would this be possible?

[crude latch]

Well first of all, what is it?

[topaz shell]

An azhdarchid pterosaur

[crude latch]

I mean I’d say it’s technically possible in the context of spec Evo

[topaz shell]

It’s a seed world I’m making

[crude latch]

I mean I did make ichthyosaurs fly soooooo

Ye a lot of things are possible

[topaz shell]

Just need ideas for its predator

[crude latch]

Well is the seed world just pterosaurs? And perhaps bugs and fish for food and whatnot

[topaz shell]

Fish and some small theropods like dromeosaurs

[crude latch]

Hmmmm

Perhaps smth like that evolved from thalasodromeus, became flightless, and there around Utah sized and specializes in hunting larger prey?

[topaz shell]

Ok

[arctic crane]

I'm sure this is old news to you guys but amargasaurus got a new look according to a new study

[topaz shell]

Done

[crude latch]

Goober

[topaz shell]

Around the same weight as “dakotaraptor”

[sharp dragon]

I'm gonna say something possibly really dumb about theri:

I personally cannot see theri' claws being nothing but a display structure. From what we know of therizinosaurid anatomy, theri is likely to have giant arms. Why, out of everything an animal could evolve as a display structure, why giant muscular arms with large claws?
i'm not saying that the research done on theri is wrong, i fully believe it especially since i am not at all qualified to say anything, but there has to be more to theri' arms and claws that we simply do not know or have not thought of.

[arctic crane]

There's a good chance therizinosaurus used it's claws in a similar manner to giant ground sloths to hook branches and make feeding easier. However smaller therizinosaurids could have used them for self defense as well

[serene moat]

That's pretty small, considering it had to live with rex, how did it even survive being that weight wouldn't it get mopped to extinction

[sharp dragon]

because it is O R B

Ankylosaurus had a flat body shape and was low to ground, it would be impossible for a rex to get its jaws around its body. And going after an animal with a tail strong enough to snap your heel wouldn't be a very safe way to have dinner

[sullen cairn]

paper's rationale

[sharp dragon]

interesting, i still find it very odd that a group of animals that would've been using their arms and claws for a variety of tasks, would evolve a member that essentially makes them completely useless.
the dinosaurs aren't dinosauring to me... (i am likely stupid and have no idea what i am talking about)

[tough parcel]

Bla bla bla "spec evo, with enough time you can do whatever"

But I doubt it'd look like a sauropod with a pterosaur head

[frail robin]

We talking about spec evo? I'm currently creating a spec evo world with a bunch of stuff, some of those being aquatic Abelisaurids, predatory Ornithomimids and a bunch of other stuff

[heady thunder]

Spec evo quadropedal human faster then a cheetah

[viscid surge]

A sauropod with a pterosaur head you say?

[vocal breach]

LeBron is already faster than a cheetah wdym

[heady thunder]

Ofc a LeBron fan would say that

[vocal breach]

I aint Even a lebron Fan im Just stating facts

[tiny holly]

i guess the thing with spec evo is that it varies, not everyone is out to do hard, realistic spec evo. But regardless its always good to think about what sort of pressures would cause the animal to evolve in that way? In what sort of situation would it be advantageous enough for a sauropod to evolve a long snout over a short one

even fairly soft spec evo should still ask "why does it do this"

[stiff osprey]

With that kind of beak, I'd say no. Azhdarchid and hornbill beaks are made for spearing and/or picking small animals off the ground, which would not sustain a (by my guess) ~2 ton, flightless creature

[runic aspen]

Not saying that i know more than the paleontologists, but animals some times just do things, even if they aren't the best adapted for what they are doing. So I honestly don't doubt that Theresinosaurus would still use its claws if a predator got too close. Even though they are not super adapted for combat.

[tough parcel]

Yea, the issue is that if the paper is right, it'd be a one time use lmao

[nocturne merlin]

is this really changyu? legs seem off to me (changyuraptor)

[lucid ibex]

L E G

[hybrid saddle]

leg

[crude latch]

I do like how most ppl when making spec Evo stuff always lean towards Abelisaurids a lot

Now I’m just struggling on how I can get ichthyosaurs to walk 💀

[nocturne merlin]

sea lions.

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-seal-dive-exhausted-plop-gif-16301196

[crude latch]

Nah I need them to WALK

[nocturne merlin]

(instead of the back feet just use the tail)

[crude latch]

Serina tribetheres but Ichtyosaurs 💀

[nocturne merlin]

works ig

[crude latch]

Hmm

[nocturne merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/return-ocean-home-seal-running-away-gif-13833622

lil scamper

[crude latch]

Sea lions are so goofy

[nocturne merlin]

no like actually an ichtyosaur galloping at you like this would be terrifying

[frail robin]

Nah tbh they aren't the most wild thing I've done

[crude latch]

Hmm I wonder if I could get smth like Treestump feet

[frail robin]

Nah, there not that extreme when compared to my other stuff

Such as an apex predator Pachycephalosaur

[crude latch]

Now I’m intrigued

[warped peak]

Scratch all paleo realism, that is beautiful and I must animate it on this

[frail robin]

Or fully predatory Ornithomimids, flighted Oviraptorids and giant Anurognathids that hunt like hawks

[nocturne merlin]

make it kangaroo kick. (stand on tail)

[warped peak]

Spoink style?

It has barely legs

[nocturne merlin]

whale jump then?

[warped peak]

I know this is a stretch, but I don't think a 12 ton spinosaurus seal is jumping

[crude latch]

Interesting

Does anyone have just like a really good of the bones in an Ichtyosaurs flipper?

[nocturne merlin]

dammit wes got it first

[warped peak]

Gradual descent into bone rubble madness

[crude latch]

I’m trying to draw up a quick sketch for my foot idea but then I realized idk how bones work

So I’m not to sure how ima draw this and make the bones actually work 😭

[warped peak]

Are you making an Ichthyosaur... re-evolve onto land

[crude latch]

Yea

[warped peak]

That uh. That'll be hard

[crude latch]

Y e p

[warped peak]

Considering how specialized they are for water.

I don't even see how you'd get those feet bones to do that.

Maybe Elongate them into big frog feet?

[nocturne merlin]

make em rotate back

[velvet burrow]

They look funny and tyrannosaurids are boring

[crude latch]

Here’s my general idea atm with them evolving stump feet, still without bones atm until I forget out how to draw that 😭

[nocturne merlin]

incisivosaurus pfp goes hard

[warped peak]

Looking at the original evolution of feet might help

[velvet burrow]

One day i remembered it's existence so i searched and saw it on twitter and i had to use it

[crude latch]

Another thing is that I kinda just….dont know how bones work 😭

I hate this

My brain is dying

[west coral]

This is Hesperornithoides, a troodont from morrison

[warped peak]

Changyuraptor is basically a giant Microraptor last I checked

[crude latch]

Wes you think smth like this could work?

[warped peak]

Is this a side or a top view

[crude latch]

Side

[warped peak]

For upright walking no. It would be like standing on a bag of gravel

[crude latch]

😭

[warped peak]

Try lengthening the bones a bit

[crude latch]

Vertically or horizontally?

[warped peak]

A glance at a sauropod leg

[crude latch]

Hmm

[warped peak]

It could be a bit more sprawling in stance like a lizard, especially if they're readjusting to land

[crude latch]

God I fracking hate this 😭

[heady thunder]

It looks like it has heels

[warped peak]

Try elongation the digits a bit, like you see here

You're essentially forcing the re-evolution of feet

[crude latch]

Were those top bones fine tho?

[warped peak]

Top bones look fine

[crude latch]

Essentially but I don’t necessarily want them to have toes? There feet in my image are practically just gonna be a tree stump almost

[warped peak]

Perhaps try something a bit like Metagross

A bunch of digits spreading out in a cone shape instead of modern feet. The entire fundamental build is different to anything alive today because you're resetting evolution

[crude latch]

Never thought we’d get to Pokémon but here we are

[warped peak]

Or a horse. A horse leg seems like a reasonable analogue

The more points of flexing, the more energy is dispersed either each step as bones move

[crude latch]

Oh shite that’s smart

[warped peak]

So bones tend to fuse, to become more efficient in locomotion.

[crude latch]

Before I try horse leg ima take one more shot at my idea

[warped peak]

I'm saying somewhere inbetween.

You have columns of assorted finger bones. Elongate them in a way like a horse's hoof to look a bit like a sauropod foot

A series of robust, column-like fingers

[crude latch]

Ight

I don’t think this is what you meant but I did do this

[warped peak]

It's the same principle

The amount of digits is up to.you, but you're basically turning a bag of bones into fingers

[humble dove]

did you know that sauropods had teeth to digest rocks...

[crude latch]

So is this good or bad?

[warped peak]

Exactly right in execution

More specifics and adaptations beyond that structure are up to you, but thats the basis of a stable foot

[humble dove]

and pterosaurs sometimes had the ability to climb trees

[warped peak]

Darwinopterus had the ability to shoot guns

[humble dove]

huh

[crude latch]

Yes

Wait this is only the front leg and tbf I’m not sure it’s possible for those back flippers to become legs anymore 😭

Skull crawler Ichthyosaur it is then 😏

[warped peak]

Okay hear me out

[crude latch]

Actually I kinda like the idea of skull crawler Ichthyosaur but I’ll hear you out

[warped peak]

You could go the seal route, and essentially merge the hind Limbs into the tail to form a third leg

[crude latch]

Parasaurgames kinda mentioned that earlier so I could tbh

[warped peak]

Use the two former hind Limbs and the tail as their own independent tripod foot, and rear up on it as an intimidation display

[crude latch]

Interesting, interesting

[warped peak]

Evolution is a series of random tangents working together to build an animal into something different

[crude latch]

Ye

I also should make a map for my seed world

I might only have a couple small ish landmasses but I still really wanted land Ichtyosaurs

Ima do the map rq, but it will essentially be Subnautica

[raven depot]

Hey guys, so I have a partial walrus skull with ivory on it. Assuming it’s an extinct Atlantic walrus as it looks incredibly old. Not sure if I can legally keep it tho

I’m in southern Massachusetts there are no walruses here lol

[crude latch]

Map for my ichtyosaur seed world

Also thanks for all the help Wes

[crude latch]

@warped peak srry for the ping but I’m still having a hard time envisioning the seal tail for My landlubber any other ideas perhaps or any tips for the seal tail?

Just trying to do a quick sketch of the goober but ye, struggling on his behind 😭

[crude latch]

Nvm I think I got smth

[velvet burrow]

Uh, what if... you go something like turtles?

[crude latch]

Nah I got it figured out now

Just going the skull crawler route

[flat pond]

Decided to revamp and rework a roster I had made. This is currently the roster I have made with the size chart brought to you by @west coral

Note* The group that is in the lower right corner are potential candidates to possibly make it into my roster.

[white matrix]

I have a genuine question, if dakotaraptor is considered invalid and is now achillobator, does that mean achillobator coexisted with tyrannosaurus 66 mil yrs ago..?

[crude latch]

I’ve done it

[stiff osprey]

Whoever told you Dakotaraptor is synonymous with Achillobator, don't hang out with them anymore

[velvet burrow]

Roster for what
AND WHY DEMOMAN DOING THE SPIDERMAN DANCE LMAO

[topaz shell]

New beak

Its predator

[compact leaf]

Sonorasaurus W

always nice to see a brachiosaurid

[velvet burrow]

Bigger W for not having tyrannosaurus

[topaz shell]

W

[west coral]

The what now

[indigo flume]

Heres my remastered spinosaurus drawing what yalls think?

[main talon]

Just me getting a little bit inspired from the achillbator. What if Rhamphorhynchus had a buff for crocodylomorphs like a symbiosis relationship for them and crocodylomorph gives them a speed buff or stam either one wouldn’t that be nice? This is just a concept I was thinking to make Rhamp more unique