paleontology

[sullen cairn]

this is a very cool and discernible sail

[pseudo slate]

but i dont know much about this, i like pterosaurs more

[frosty cedar]

I mean, baryonyx doesn't have any "back ornament".

[sullen cairn]

bars has tall neural spines

but easily could've been more of a hump than a sail

[light osprey]

Behold, something of a middle ground

[frosty cedar]

I think with bars it's more of a hunp.

[tough parcel]

Acro, Sucho, and Bary have the exact same thing lmao

[pseudo slate]

thats weird

[uncut otter]

It cut off the sizes one moment

[frosty cedar]

That looks cursed as hell.

[tough parcel]

Society

[uncut otter]

To be fancy idk

Biggest to smallest it cut it off AGAiN

[frosty cedar]

🌟 Artistic freedom 🌟

🌟 Artistic freedom 🌟

[uncut otter]

There full names in order of size

[light osprey]

Mmm I’m wondering now, how would you make this work without a full set of lips

[pseudo slate]

Sigilmassasaurus is north american, it also has a quite big sail

[frosty cedar]

Wait, does it say when it lived?

[uncut otter]

No just that it existed

[frosty cedar]

Bruh, ok.

[sullen cairn]

^

[frosty cedar]

Never knew Sahara desert was in North America.

[uncut otter]

Me not using Wikipedia

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

[pseudo slate]

oops thought it said america

[uncut otter]

Kinda looks like adol spoon

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

[pseudo slate]

sorry north america no big spinos for u

[uncut otter]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-gif-23973681

[frosty cedar]

Montanaspinus?

[uncut otter]

There is a wiki page explaining the origins of montanaspinus

[pseudo slate]

mhm decent sail, maybe

[clever sable]

No spinos in general

Unless you count some controversial stuff

[frosty cedar]

https://twitter.com/_paleogeek_/status/1509724767808536581?s=21&t=Th752-aW8VYe49wO99hklA
spinosaurus news jumpscare

🐦✨ Alex Vieira 🦖🦕 (@_PaleoGeek_) on X

Just my luck I finish my chart and yet another new spinosaurid is described. 🤦‍♂️ Anywho, say hello to the first known North American speen, Arizonaspinus cristati!

Twitter · Apr 1, 2022, 2:50 AM

[pseudo slate]

i dont get why so many people are obsessed with spinos, is it because its semi aquatic + longer (+ taller?) than rex?

[clever sable]

Oh cool

[uncut otter]

Petition to change spinosaurus abbreviation to spleen like if you support

[frosty cedar]

funi croco duck

[jagged trellis]

because its cool

like most animals

[fallow citrus]

because it looks unique compared to other dinosaurs

[uncut otter]

Spinosaurus

What was it

Oh

[pseudo slate]

ok

[frosty cedar]

Damn.

[uncut otter]

My spleen gif won’t work 🥺

[frosty cedar]

I know montanaspinus is fake I was just joking

[uncut otter]

I know I thought it was funny tho

[frosty cedar]

Haha gif failure.

[outer tusk]

what

[uncut otter]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-dinosaur-arcade-spinosaurus-dinosaur-roblox-studio-gif-24960794

It worked just delayed by a year

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-gif-23637150

[uncut otter]

Peak game play

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-success-gif-25677703

[uncut otter]

Fr tho the model is decent for Roblox

[outer tusk]

this channel is so ontopic right now!

[jagged trellis]

certainly a topic

[light osprey]

Has anyone scaled Tethydraco (not flying pose)

[outer tusk]

pterosaurs from prehistoric planet!!!!!

[uncut otter]

Wouldn’t it be cool if pot and pre historic planet partnered

[outer tusk]

nope

[tough parcel]

So Saurian

[light osprey]

Missing the well executed part*

[tough parcel]

Neither are so

[lavish frigate]

Paleo chat! What are the wing leg lizard things from the Triassic!

[west coral]

Sharovipteryx

[lavish frigate]

Thank you! You single handedly caused mild ecological growth in the Bahamas

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/OT9iFgrHIEo?si=UAe90tqQIC5XQxhJ

I knew that megalodons had a shape like this +-

[wintry path]

basking shark

[frosty cedar]

Megalodon fans when it bocomes even bigger:

[silk radish]

[open compass]

It becomes longer and thinner

[silk radish]

Real

[pearl briar]

Spino: heavier old brother
Sucho: taller young brother

[frosty cedar]

I mean.... If you are talking about hip height, then yeah.

[pearl briar]

yes i'm talking hip height

[pearl briar]

also nice to see u again

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, I just decided to take a VERY long break from social media. I was only using YouTube to watch some videos and Telegram for studies.

[pearl briar]

ur last message was like... june

[frosty cedar]

Yeah lmao.

[heady thunder]

So the guy dipped out by uttering out the biggest L that has been said here.

[frosty cedar]

I'm pretty sure it's eathier a joke, eathier out of context.

[silk radish]

50/50

[pearl briar]

oh hi pinky

[silk radish]

Hi

Technically speaking Trike has a higher chance of winning

[frosty cedar]

I never said that Rex can't kill adult triceratops.

I remember what the situation was:

The entire chat was schooling someone who thought that triceratops was absolutely invincible. My comment was a joke.

[pseudo slate]

T-Rex vs T-Rice was probably 50/50, could go either way

[frosty cedar]

Arguing about what extinct animal wins in the fight is very difficult. Not only because we never actually saw them, but the outcome also depends on the individual and the enviorment.

[silk radish]

Ah Okeh

[silk radish]

About that T-Rex could’ve been a small group hunter (like 2 individuals or maybe even 3)

[frosty cedar]

Same opinion. I never imagined that tyrannosaurus always was alone and hunted alone.

[sullen cairn]

me when the incredibly questionable proximal metatarsal scalebar scaling ends with a relatively reasonable estimate rather than tears

[light osprey]

If by winning you meant escaping with its life intact then it’s statistically parsimonious. But that fruit of labour only goes one way, the animal who’s method of eating includes killing things constantly, they are at far less of a risk from dying in the given interaction then their prey.

[heady thunder]

In powerscaling terms, Rex and predators have a better fight IQ compared to Trike and prey.

[uncut otter]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RTVWtuIMx0Q?si=PX7vvqTcsZzxr68R

Do YOU think the quilts were for defense or another purpose

[heady thunder]

What are those?

[pseudo slate]

Trike must have done something right, i think its the dino with the most fossils found

And we have evidence that 1 trike that did fight a trex and survived

[wintry path]

the horns obviously

[ancient crystal]

Ohhh, we had the rex vs trike arguement again

[zinc solstice]

Something random but yesterday I learned that hyneria the giant Devonian lobed finned fish is more closer related to us than to lung fish... (Dipnoi)

[silk radish]

Lol

[zinc solstice]

In nature looks can be deceiving for how closely related some animals are :/...

[outer tusk]

1. What's its name
2. Can I use this

[tulip dove]

Anyone got a size comparison between Isisaurus and Rajasaurus?

[scenic flame]

not exactly but I have an Isisaurus skeletal on hand

and raja

[tulip dove]

They'll done fine
Ty

[heady thunder]

Raja dropkicks Isi and defends its title

[uncut otter]

I hate my phone it auto corrected actual words

[tulip dove]

A quick little scaling (probably not 100% perfect but about right I'd guess)

[sudden wind]

There are tertials but they are shaped differently and mostly help the body to be more aerodynamic

[tulip dove]

And for sauropods, what kind of locomotion is the most up to date for them?
A more elephant like walk or a hippo like walk
Since like in PhP season 1 the sauropods had more elephant like walk but then in PhP season 2 they're shown to have hippo like walk
That made me curious

[compact leaf]

both work for sauropods from a mechanical standpoint but there’s some evidence the hippo walk may be more efficient, you can get either one to fit with their trackways

they definitely switch gait several times in php, even in the second season you see the isisaurus do the elephant walk a few times

[light osprey]

I suppose maybe the gait accommodates the framing of the shot. The Elephantine walk for the arrival of Dreadnoughtus is a striking image

[silver canopy]

https://scitechdaily.com/challenging-our-understanding-this-72-million-year-old-dragon-terrorized-ancient-seas/

What.. is?

[outer tusk]

Why of all things they use ai ☠️

[silver canopy]

I agree that's dumb

Actually I freaking hate AI.

[outer tusk]

Like why not just be normal and use an artist's drawing

[silver canopy]

YEAH

[outer tusk]

I don't hate AI much but when it's being used in anything related to art and not even in a good way, then it's a big FAT no

[silver canopy]

I personally think AI should be illegal if it's going to be used to sell something or be used for anything other then concept art

Like ai in games is fine, they've always had it to some extent

But- GAAAAAAA Nevermind

[white matrix]

Dinosaurs are robots,they were made by the fish to spy on the land creatures

[sudden wind]

They do not have to spent money

[outer tusk]

Ah that too, my apologies

Wait what exactly do they have spent money for?

[tough parcel]

Commissions?? 😭

But at the same time, prior to AI, news sources didn't care about commissioning people and just yoinked one from Google so idfk

[sudden wind]

To pay the artist.

[sudden wind]

Yeah it is basically the same sort of scummy process.

[outer tusk]

Ah okay am stupid but I thought it was just idk one big collaboration where no money is involved cause yk this is something professional

But yeah I was wrong

[lavish frigate]

At least they aren’t using real people’s respectable art for their 500,000th “BIGGER THAN T-REX DINOSAURS. NUMBER 10 WILL SHOCK YOU” article 💀

[outer tusk]

M rex haunts me

[silk radish]

NANOTYRANNUS SHALL BE NO MORE! 🗣️🔥💯

[distant kraken]

Better than that stupid thing about Oxalaia being a Spinosaurus sub-species. That arguement genuinely annoys me.

[silk radish]

True

[distant kraken]

Like, seriously. Oxalaia live in northern South America, in a swampy jungle surrounded by deserts, long after the Gondwanan supercontinent broke apart. How the hell could it possibly be the same species as Spinosaurus?

[ancient crystal]

The article then proceeds to list 7 dinosaurs multiple tons lighter, 2 that are roughly the same, and then a 30+ ton sauropod they say was more terrifying than any of the other creatures listed

[lavish frigate]

You forgot the part where they mention the “sea Tyrannosaurus” which is just Liopleurodon 💀

[frosty cedar]

Peak dinosaur content.

[sullen cairn]

isn't alcantara like explicitly more similar to north Africa than the rest of South America

[frosty cedar]

Yeah lmao.

[frosty cedar]

The article also has to mention megalodon or dunkleosteus. Because big fibsh scawy.

[tough parcel]

Erm...bull sauropod in musth...

[sullen cairn]

and also coastal

[ancient crystal]

My favorite part when they mention megalodon, there is always one of two pieces of art they use;

They either do the one with the livyatan biting the megs head, I think we all know which one I'm talking about

Or they show a piece where a meg is pulling a great white and breaching on an unsuspecting whale that just so happens to be a species that hadn't evolved yet

[distant kraken]

To a point. According to what I'm reading, that region was a humid forest dominated by horse tails, ferns, and conifers, and was surrounded by arid or semi-arid landscapes that was subjected to brief periods of heavy rainfall.

[frosty cedar]

Exactly.
Don't forget that the authors of the article will probably wright something about megalodon still being alive.

If you mention megalodon, you just HAVE to mention the fact that it might've survived in the Mariana trench.

"Maybe we will learn the answer some day."

[sudden wind]

https://fxtwitter.com/aberrantologist/status/1750628499294179623

One of the few nanuq that I like

[nocturne merlin]

this an alright baluar bondoc skele? its by jaime heddan

[sullen cairn]

so whats the point here
like i agree that oxalaia being outright synonymized with spinosaurus is questionable but I'd imagine there's better reasons than just environment considering alcantara was pretty similar to north africa

[distant kraken]

Not really. Oxalaia is just another casualty of "the great species crunch", where a bunch of scientists keep trying to cut down as many unique dinosaur species as possible.

[sullen cairn]

so why are we bringing up the environment

[tough parcel]

I feel like making it out to be a giant conspiracy is also not a valid reason to doubt this

Big Paleo strikes again...

[sullen cairn]

i feel like there's substantially better arguments against synonymization like... y'know... not overlapping with the holotype or proposed neotype

because alcantara's been repeatedly stated to be similar to kem kem especially

[distant kraken]

Which doesn't really say much. Convergent evolution is a thing, for all that people like ignoring that it exists, so two distantly related species evolving into similar body patterns and lifestyles due to environmental factors doesn't mean that they are the same species. Look at African and Asian elephants, or the Emu and the Rhea. Similar body patterns and behaviors, but not the same species in the slightest.

[tough parcel]

.

[tough parcel]

These examples are also incredibly closely related, which doesn't go against what Table has been saying

[sullen cairn]

how is this at all environment

i'm not even saying the morphology's similar because they literally don't overlap under most people's definition of spinosaurus

[ruby patio]

How large would a 49 cm maxilla be on Das

[tough parcel]

I got you

[ruby patio]

Also, the Polish university is working extensively with Tarbosaurus bones to better categorise and understand the animal. It's going to be very interesting considering half the individuals are undescribed.

[sullen cairn]

while falcon's doing that imma just say again that environment is an odd reason to not lump oxalaia when a) its from a very similar environment to kem kem and b) even if they were from the same formation most of us still wouldn't synonymize them

my brain hurts

[ruby patio]

There is also a tyrannosaurid uncovered in Denver which is being worked on by BDM. As far as I know all of Denver is Early-Late Maast so I wonder if its Tyrannosaurus

[ruby patio]

Is it the one in the background or foreground

[tough parcel]

BG

[last iron]

New nanotyrannus fossil

[sullen cairn]

i blame you people for me reading that as something else

[tough parcel]

I can label it, one sec

[ruby patio]

This is going to be a very interesting year for Tyrannosauridae

• Bertha paper
• More Tarbosaurus
• Gorgosaurus being split into multiple species
• More news on Bagaratttswtdwtwdetdewednn (idk how to spell)

[sullen cairn]

rise gorgosaurus infradinosaurparkensis

[tough parcel]

I'm going to attack

[ruby patio]

Ok so the Wangshi thing is already bigger than Das even whilst being incomplete

[sullen cairn]

be lame and scale it with tarbo 73cm maxilla

actually isn't it similar to tarbo

[ruby patio]

See for yourself

[tough parcel]

Yep this is a maxilla

[ruby patio]

^ Genius statement

[sullen cairn]

assuming its the one here it'd be funny to commit downsize

although iirc pin 551-1 doesn't have a subcutaneous flange either but i still endorse funny downsize

[ruby patio]

PIN 551-1 itself is only 10.94 m because the skeletal author probably had to regress body length to match the associated vertebrae, which are smaller in proportion to the skull. If you were only to scale the skull based on other specimens it would be almost 12 m

[sullen cairn]

true but it'd be funny

[ruby patio]

It'd be about 9 meters using PIN 551-1

But the femur etc indicate it was probably closer to 10

[sullen cairn]

so like zhucheng size

i wonder how stupid it would be to try and make a regression for franoys' tarbosaurus/zhucheng skull/body length ratios

[ruby patio]

I have all the measurements give me a moment

57 cm for the largest metatarsal, 107 cm femur, 107 cm tibia, dentary that is 42.03 cm to the 11th alveoli
also i lied the maxilla is 53 cm

[sullen cairn]

that's a big tibia if same specimen

[ruby patio]

Since the femur is gracile and the tibia is robust, it is either two different specimens or a subadult

[tough parcel]

The pursuit predator...

[ruby patio]

If David Goggins was a theropod

[tough parcel]

Yes(?)

[ruby patio]

This is the dentary

[sullen cairn]

ngl alcantara is deceptively close to kem kem relative to bahariya

[ruby patio]

The new abstract mentioned Kem Kem fauna are not comparable to Bahariya, whilst they may be comparable to Alcantra

[snow python]

Accurate? Should i finish it?

[light osprey]

One of like two Nanuqsaurus that doesn’t look like a Yeti

[vast sparrow]

Apparently a allosaurus was found with well preserved skin impressions

It also had a lot of pathologies

[outer tusk]

1. What reference did you use
2. Yes you should finish it

[frosty cedar]

This is great. Yes, absolutely you should finish it.

[snow python]

NatGeo Spino

[frosty cedar]

I'm going to guess it's the 2014 spinosaurus arts.

[frosty cedar]

Knew it.

[outer tusk]

maybe something more like Random's head would be more accurate

[pearl briar]

guys
uhh...
uhm...
who named this blud 😭

[steady rock]

do you guys know what dilophosaurus evolved into?

[heady thunder]

TRex

[ancient crystal]

I was just about to say that lol

[steady rock]

well your wrong

it evolved into

[heady thunder]

Clever

[woeful falcon]

Don't forget where it all started though

[empty glade]

Was Ouranosaurus fully bipedal or was it quadrupedal, or a mix of both?

[woeful falcon]

As I understand it, mix of both but mostly bipedal. Sort of a case of it could go quad if it wanted, but it prolly wasn't doing that on the reg.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because there's a few dinos in this grey area that I may mix up

[bright veldt]

Rhahdodonts, Ouranosaurus, and Tenontosaurus were all facultative quadropeds. They were almost entirely bipedal, but could crawl on all fours when browsing on low vegetation.

[tough parcel]

Well you see erm, Ouranosaurus has 2 different genus in it

(There are two differing proportions based on two different specimen groups iirc, but uh have fun getting anyone to care enough to look at em @stiff osprey please tell me if I am horridly wrong )

[light osprey]

Wouldn’t that just be differing species

[tough parcel]

Nope I will fight Big Paleo's attempts to shrink dinosaur genus numbers

[light osprey]

Sworn enemies…. I’ll lump everything in sight

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/878030287676801054/955425450270818455/oFOXauoR.gif?ex=65c0c44a&is=65ae4f4a&hm=5f178fab31cdbe59be19ee8193325845adbec64a89c72e12fdda4db6ec661dd9&

[small kindle]

What's the biggest tortoise

[outer tusk]

Regarding wieght in this discussion are these very somewhat reasonable for these marine animals

[bright veldt]

Sharks, Mosa, the Crocs, and Shasta are about right. Basilo's too light. Pliosaurus has two entries for some reason. Monquira and sachica are too light. Use of the term "Eiectus". Guanlingsaurus is probably too heavy. Lilstock, NHM, and Aust Colossus being in the conversation at all. Temno's high weight is far too high. Tylo's far too large overall.

[light osprey]

17 metres…. Absolutely filthy 😔

[warped peak]

21 ton Temnodontosaurus what lol

[outer tusk]

so what would be a more reasonable weight for the basilo and others

[bright veldt]

The largest basilosaurus species is 24 tons. Monquira and Sachica are in the 15-17 ton category. Guanlingo I have no idea but wtf is that weight. That's, like, shonisaurus mass.

[outer tusk]

yeah Guanlingo would be like a fraction of that

[outer tusk]

I know Random said Sachica 13t a few months back but idk if that holds out ngl

[dry kindle]

Does anyone have and accurate pinacosaurus skeletal? I don’t know too much about ankylosaurs except that they have mobile tongues, Ty

[dry kindle]

Ty

[arctic crane]

@outer tusk wide

[lavish frigate]

Why’d you ping them when it was already an @ message lol

[outer tusk]

literally

[pseudo slate]

wrong chat, try #suggestions or at least #path-of-titans

[tribal sandal]

Hello! If you have any feedback or suggestions for our development team, we highly recommend posting a well-written post on our Feedback Board at https://feedback.pathoftitans.com/

[silk radish]

Turtl

[frosty cedar]

Wait... Isn't it oversized here? Or the woman is just short?

Nah, nevermind. Found the high res. Seems about right.

[stiff current]

t rex beats giganotosaurus

[sullen cairn]

de-na-zin is unironically cool and more people should like it

[ruby patio]

There are Albertosaurine remains from the El Gallo formation, so the large femur may not be so large

Also the scapula and phalange assigned to "Alamotyrannus" are ginormous, I suspect they might be from Tyrannosaurus instead

[sullen cairn]

is this el gallo albertosaurine material actually albertosaurine

[ruby patio]

https://bioone.org/journals/acta-palaeontologica-polonica/volume-59/issue-1/app.2012.0003/First-Tyrannosaurid-Remains-from-the-Upper-Cretaceous-El-Gallo-Formation/10.4202/app.2012.0003.full
A metatarsal that looks closer to Albertosaurus than Das/Rex

[sullen cairn]

At this point, no assignment can be made beyond
the level of Tyrannosauridae.

if anything the el gallo metatarsal is lacking a character shared by known albertosaurines but also said character's informativeness has been questioned anyways

but being less robust than tyrannosaurus isn't exactly grounds for a referral to albertosaurinae either

[serene moat]

Do yk about the abingdon pleosaur?

[urban linden]

Guys can sm1 help me grind my Dino on path of titans

[proud perch]

Hey there, please use #looking-for-group for such things. Thanks!

[sullen cairn]

plus the el gallo metatarsal's comparable in robusticity only to albertosaurine metatarsals like 125-140% its size which isn't helping

[frosty cedar]

What do you think of anthracosaurus from Life on Our Planet documentary?

https://tenor.com/view/life-on-our-planet-anthracosaurus-amphibian-chomp-bite-gif-7038409900097801287

[sullen cairn]

my heart will always loathe belong to additional creatures 2 anthracosaurus

[frosty cedar]

Isn't it supposed to look more eel-like?

[noble steeple]

Anyone know (If there is one) a decent biteforce estimate on Sachicasaurus?

[sullen cairn]

ziapelta is adorable

[quartz rose]

Wait, is Pentaceratops that big?

[zinc solstice]

Why do basal thyreophorans like scutellosaurus and jakapil look like bipedal nodosaurs? Also with jakapil living in the Cretaceous is there a ghost lineage from scutellosaurus from the Early Jurassic to jakapil in the Cretaceous?

[quartz rose]

I mean, all dinosaur families started out as bipedal.

[zinc solstice]

If silesaurids are ornithishcians then they started as semi bipedal

The first dinosaur could have had a body plan in between that of the basal dinosauromorphs and the small theropod body plan

[quartz rose]

I mean that's a very different can of worms

Was referring to the fact that the earliest known marginocephalians, ornithopods, and thyreophorans are all bipedal.

[zinc solstice]

Oh ok

I know that the earliest thyreophorans were bipedal but also I noticed that there is no transitional fossils between the basal thyreophorans and stegosaurs

[heady thunder]

I really just watched a 15 min lecture, just to end up at the same conclusion I had before watching it. https://youtu.be/ELm8lTsr81Y?si=GCCJmMwvzqzhUmwP ||cool video tho||

[nocturne merlin]

uhh anybody got some stuff on leptosuchomorph locomotion or just how they hold themselves?

[snow python]

Which one looks better and is more accurate? I wanna buy one

[uneven jackal]

Giga

[nocturne merlin]

id go for sucho personally

[wispy summit]

Sucho

[ocean drum]

duck or sucho

[heady thunder]

Giga or the pliosaur thingy

[outer tusk]

@bright veldt sorry to ping but update on the marine reptile size chart and this is what the creators said

[sudden wind]

It's so weird to hear him speaking in english when I usually watch his content in French.

[crimson ridge]

Sucho

But hey it's up to you my friend

[pastel scroll]

Sucho is most accurate the giga looks like it’s from 2017 and the deinocheruis is a little too skinny and idk about that pliosaur

[outer tusk]

It's Kronosaurus

[fossil ingot]

Tbh Duck wasn't that Bulky
And while yes this is from some years ago, iirc its more reliable/accurate then the Thick Duck

[snow python]

So, Duck isn't 8,2t anymore?

[tacit pine]

Kronosaurus

[tacit pine]

Dizzy rose kinda makes some overestimates sometimes

[outer tusk]

Agreed

[outer tusk]

Nope

[small kindle]

Thank you!

[outer tusk]

how big was cretoxryhina?

[silk radish]

Ladies and Gentlemen….

This might be what pterosaurs looked like

[outer tusk]

from what evidence

[heady thunder]

Isnt this a warcrime? Mods, crush Kevins skull thank you.

[silk radish]

No plz

[frail robin]

Most tame David Petters pterosaur reconstruction

[silk radish]

So true

[silk radish]

Don’t worry I have more
Nvm they’re too disgusting to even be posted

[heady thunder]

Good, cos the death squad was just behind your door.

[silk radish]

Plz no

[silk radish]

Hear me out
If I delete this, shall I live?

[heady thunder]

Nah

[silk radish]

Wdym

[silk radish]

So ur telling me someone before can post something like this and get away with it but I can’t-

[heady thunder]

Yeah

[silk radish]

[heady thunder]

Your sins shall be erased if you find a backfliping dilophosaurus video

[silk radish]

Don’t worry I’ll not

Anyways switching topic.

Nanotyrannus in-valid yet?

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-18202838286539704455

[silk radish]

Idk

[feral arrow]

Ahhh wtf

[spice rune]

yo

[white matrix]

NO ALL MY LIFE ID BEEN LIED TO?!?

= 👹

[outer tusk]

Prehistoric Planet 3 !!!!!!

[open compass]

For 3500$ 💀

[white matrix]

NOOOOO

[nocturne merlin]

w h a t

[outer tusk]

wait what

[white matrix]

w vids, but where did you get this information.

[open compass]

We need this for watching new short film of Prehistoric Planet

[white matrix]

no

[open compass]

https://youtube.com/shorts/isddRPW-2LM?si=A7wKFp5068tDq9W-

[white matrix]

NOOOO, CURSE YOU APPLE

[open compass]

(Use English subtitles)

I hope this video is a joke

[heady thunder]

For 3499 I expect to be able to touch the dinosaurs

[nocturne merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[open compass]

And thanks btw

[tough parcel]

No, the new PP "season" is literally just an Apple headset exclusive VR thing

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-elmo-sad-elmo-sad-stare-gif-26846922

[light osprey]

Solution: watch season 2 again

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-didnt-have-to-cut-me-off-meme-you-didnt-have-to-cut-me-off-big-brain-big-brain-meme-gif-26965490

[nocturne merlin]

why havent we gotten a single spinosaurid or charcarodontosaurid 😭

[tough parcel]

Because they never made it to the Maastrichian

[sullen cairn]

a betrayal of self...

[tough parcel]

Which is the latest part of the Cretaceous

Unless we count this guy, but it was discovered too late to be included in PP

[sullen cairn]

unpublished thesis moment

[tough parcel]

Listen, if it's known, it's fair game

[west coral]

maastrictian brachiosaur

[light osprey]

He’s a monster….

[tough parcel]

An unpredictable killer...

[light osprey]

Demonstrably vile….

[lean egret]

whats scout doin there lol

[jagged trellis]

helping measure animals for 3 lollipops and a soda of his choice

[lavish frigate]

Is gigaspinus Maastrichtian?

[tough parcel]

Yes

[lavish frigate]

Am I being lied to 🤨 why is there a 💀? Should I be concerned 🤨

[tough parcel]

Idk Pronto's losing it

[lavish frigate]

This is exceedingly suspicious…..hmmm…

[stiff osprey]

You doubt the legitimacy of Grant et al 2023? Damn

Just because he's a fictional character doesn't mean he doesn't do good research

[sullen cairn]

gigaspinus is weird because its technically a thing in that the thesis/manuscript was leaked a few months back

but also like its not actually published and the name "gigaspinus" is entirely informal

the material was just assigned to carcharodontosauridae indet in the actual thesis

[stiff osprey]

hopefully they'll change the name to bajatitan based on its discovery in baja california

[sullen cairn]

there was also some talk of a revision of labocania although that was only a citation but there's prolly some connection there

publishing hell sucks

[stiff osprey]

oh wait
could gigaspinus and the totally 10 ton nunavut carcharodontosaur be the same taxon

[sullen cairn]

too early to say imo
and nunavut carchardontosaur was santonian iirc

[stiff osprey]

so they must've come from the north instead of the south....

[nocturne merlin]

really? i thought some of them did

[sullen cairn]

seems like it
since unquillosaurus is later in the campanian and thats SA

presumably thats how they got to france by the maastrichtian as well

[tough parcel]

Another (place name)asaurus, I thought you'd be better

[sullen cairn]

there's a couple in the campanian and earlier but the only somewhat reliable maas one is formally unpublished

[stiff osprey]

perhaps you would like Bajakrixis more

[sullen cairn]

Californiatrox

[stiff osprey]

the baja blast

[tough parcel]

Ok but like yes, I would

[sullen cairn]

mexican dinosaur
names it after taco bell
what did random mean by this?

[stiff osprey]

you can't accuse me of discrimination silly i am latin american

[warped peak]

On the topic of unpublished thesis

How was that venomous mosasaur paper coming along?

[sullen cairn]

paleo chat is booming today

[tough parcel]

Hello my fellow latinx

(I fully expect random to block and then downsize me)

[stiff osprey]

I can't block you you're funny

[tough parcel]

[stiff osprey]

And I can't downsize you you're already small

[sullen cairn]

The bait and switch

[tough parcel]

Oh... sbobing nad criyng

[sullen cairn]

sbob

[sullen cairn]

Not sure I don’t keep up much with lepidosaurs

[stiff osprey]

and all it took was us spreading misinformation on the internet

[sullen cairn]

Between you Falcon and I we’ve probably ruined several dozen peoples perception of dinosaur paleogeography here

[stiff osprey]

for every action (honest and constructive discussion) there's an equal and opposite reaction (lying)

[sullen cairn]

It’s not lying it’s being wacky and silly

[tough parcel]

Just being silly goobers

[native kindle]

[white matrix]

I HAVE SPAWNED IN

[light osprey]

What sort of of devilish delinquency has transpired while I was away

[white matrix]

DO NOT FEAR

anyone have some knowledge about Yunnanosaurus?

my profile is the silhouette of the dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

the size variation between the two species is very silly

[nocturne merlin]

i bet huangi is just a juvenile

[sullen cairn]

it was the.. first sauropodomorph... named by.. seven authors..?

thank you sauropods facts and figures for the useful and versatile information

[light osprey]

Why haven’t we gotten a Yunnanosaurus huangi mod….

[sullen cairn]

big herbi doesn't want you know sauropodomorphs can be small

[nocturne merlin]

because we have youngi?

[stiff osprey]

just don't do any quests after you spawn in, you will lock yourself at huangi size

[light osprey]

Brilliant!

[stiff osprey]

this is how I'd play the Citipati mod if i wasn't pissed off by the baby camera being 0.1cm off the ground

[sullen cairn]

its so cool pot added tatankaceratops

[stiff osprey]

lmao

i love that between hatz and quetz you can roleplay as literally any azhdarchid

except the hornby island one i guess. they don't make em that small

[light osprey]

Pterosaurs being diverse in the latest Cretaceous is a lie by bigpaleo

[stiff osprey]

if you think about it the diversity of playables in POT is incredible

you can play as every megaraptoran, every azhdarchid, half of all titanosaurs, and all the fragmentary tyrannosaurids and parasaurolophins using only 6 models! 😇

[light osprey]

Dinosaurs really do come in every shape and size. All six shapes of the shape-abet in fact!

[sullen cairn]

why are his legs so short

[heady thunder]

I think it being bulky makes them look shorter

[white matrix]

Thanks for the information!

yunnanosaurus

[lavish frigate]

He’s a semi aquatic heron like predator

[outer tusk]

hey guys am doing a Hansen formation piece and I was wondering would it make sense for a group of cockraches scaveneging off a corpse

[west coral]

I’m assuming that’s a misspelling of hanson and if so yes

[lean egret]

is it true that genus and species is arbitrary?

and doesn’t really define for example how close two animals are related

[abstract flame]

Is it true that a new Tyrannosaurus specie has been discovered?

[light osprey]

No. It was discovered awhile ago

[nocturne merlin]

mcraensis was a while ago

[small kindle]

Were all Ctenochasmatids filter feeders or just the members of Pterodaustrini?

[nocturne merlin]

yeah first thing said on the wikipedia article

[bright veldt]

It seems to vary. It definitely wasn't the majority of the family but wasn't restricted to pterodaustroines either. Balaenognathus is another ctenochasmatid that isn't that closely related to pterodaustro but was also a filter feeder

[small kindle]

Cool

Was Huanhepterus a filter feeder?

[bright veldt]

I think so?

[outer tusk]

This is how far I got, if I need anything to add or change I would gladly appreciated it

[crude latch]

Question, do we have any juvenile Spinosaurus remains?

[outer tusk]

@crude latch here

[crude latch]

Interesting

[ancient crystal]

Potentially weird question, but what is the largest Great White we have in the fossil record?

[west coral]

what’s the sauropod supposed to be?

[outer tusk]

likewise a massapoda being feasted upon by young cryos and roaches

[frosty anvil]

Argentina!! How many clucking giant sauropods do you have!?!

[bright veldt]

tmk white sharks in ancient times weren't that much different to now

[west coral]

Was about to say that those are some tiny cryolophosaurus

[bright veldt]

The largest white sharks get today (in females anyway) is believed to be around 6 meters and 2 tons

[ancient crystal]

Thank you. I was just curious because I know in modern times pressure from humans largely selects for smaller overall body sizes in fish.

I've been told they could get up to around 7 meters during the pliocene, so yeah, not much larger.

[lavish frigate]

Just on a general accuracy rating how are these guys for large ichthyosaurs?

[wooden spindle]

Anyone got some good paleo pics of the extinct giant otter

[light osprey]

Teehee the HC Otter

[wooden spindle]

Oo ty

[light osprey]

Wait no! That’s not a real otter!

[wooden spindle]

Oh lol that’s what I thought

[light osprey]

Here

[west coral]

(not from hc)

[wooden spindle]

Ty!

[idle talon]

I found this at the bookstore so I bought it

[lavish frigate]

Oooh this is intriguing

[idle talon]

It is and the art in it are amazing

[lavish frigate]

If its on Amazon I might invest in a copy

[idle talon]

There’s a picture of a bunch of pterosaurs and sea creatures eating an edmontosaurus carcass

I think its based off a fossil they found of a hadrosaur with shark bite marks

[lavish frigate]

Ooooh

[topaz shell]

How accurate is this

[tough parcel]

Anatomically? Not that good

Size? No idea, looks ok

[west coral]

doesn’t look that bad sizewise

[wooden spindle]

Dunno about the quills

[topaz shell]

The quills are a design choice

[idle talon]

glory to azdharchidstotzka

[sullen cairn]

if i had a nickel for every time a tyrannosaur from the mesaverde group was mentioned to potentially have interesting implications for tyrannosaur paleogeography but ultimately didn't really go anywhere for one reason or another i'd have three nickels which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened three times

[light osprey]

Coincidence? I think not

[silk radish]

Lol

[sullen cairn]

i wonder how many people i could convince we have somewhat conclusive evidence of an albertosaurine dispersal into central utah/colorado before darth kills me

hey kids mesaverde albertosaurines trust

[strong grove]

Has anyone recently dealt with an EPRM isue when launching?

[tribal sandal]

Hello, Just right click your launcher and run as admin

[strong grove]

^^have tried across several patches now. just returning to the game after a few months and still occuring

Re-installing currently but will attempt again and touch base after I suppose

[tribal sandal]

If after reinstalling it does not solve your issue please open up a #1150510168073850971 ticket and our moderator team can assist you, Please include as much information as possible devices/screenshots etc

[strong grove]

of course, will do. I very much appreciate the timely response.

[silk radish]

Nanotyrannus in-valid yet?

[arctic crane]

No I think it's still in the grey zone for now

[silk radish]

Nanotyrannus will be no MORE 🗣️🔥

[arctic crane]

Probably lol. Though it would be interesting if nano was a valid genus. That wouldn't make it and trex a north American parallel to tarbosaurus and alioramus in asia

[topaz shell]

Is it possible for snow to appear in the negmet formation?

[snow python]

Stupendemys is MASSIVE

[light osprey]

Yes

Think Lhasa, Tibet though, very light

[frosty cedar]

big turtl

Wait, is it bigger than archelon?

[sullen cairn]

baryonyx ceratosuchops and riparovenator

[frail robin]

Does anyone here have an orthographical view of Thalassodromeus?

[toxic lion]

anyone love trisertops sorry dor spelling

[white matrix]

paleo chat been booming

[toxic lion]

hi

[nocturne merlin]

dont think there would be many out there if there even is one, id just use a more popular close relative but if you need 100% accuracy (im guessing your making a model) then id make one yourself :)

[small kindle]

Was Suevoleviathan actually built like this?

[cunning field]

(from archesuchus's weird birds arg) anybody know if this is a real trilobite, if so, what one

[outer tusk]

yes

[small kindle]

The images youre showing look different my guy

I'm talking about the proportionally large fins

[outer tusk]

the fourth image is you're guide then

[hardy mural]

Hello, I know this is off topic, but for those who ever view this paleo chat, I'm just generally going to ask if any of you have some form of career or job in fields like paleontology, or use of a degree or work role of such things, I'm thinking about possibly going back to school and could use other people's stories on how that journey worked for them, I'm sort of ideally trying to maybe work in education or museum type settings rather than out on the field digging up the fossils halfway across the world, I'm not trying to segway or make this channel be off topic, and if anyone sees this post and feels like DMing me some ideas or their experiences in the matter, it could be much appreciated. Primarily I'm just looking for realistic pathways or ways to start researching various career paths for myself. Not trying to be a bother. Just send me a few dms if inclined, I don't want to drag the paleo chat here off topic.

[untold arch]

I don’t, but I hope I can go to college for it someday

It takes 8 years tho

[compact leaf]

8 years counting a bachelors and masters, you can skip over the masters for paleo and go straight to phd which cuts it down to 6 counting a bachelors

[wooden spindle]

Yea but idk if they are accurate now I think one time they thought they had quills

[warped peak]

Yall are the competent peoples, what are your thoughts on the whole Proteothrinax vs Rolfodon thing?

[white matrix]

yo guys I need help with a debate

[heady thunder]

Is it which colors are the best? Cos the answer is obvious.

[white matrix]

The debate is about whether tyrannosaurs had feathers or not. I’m on the disagreeing team (no feather).

[woeful falcon]

Well you're not gonna find the most help lol. But no physical evidence of feathers and instead show scales, so that would be a plus for team no feather.

That's really it

[white matrix]

alright

[woeful falcon]

I personally believe tyrannosaurids may have had feathers in reduced coverage. After all, even your regular bald bird like a vulture or cassowary aren't as bald as they seem

[lavish frigate]

I think the debate is less “did Tyrannosaurs have feathers” and more “what amount/covering did they have” since phylogenetically they should have some. Prehistoric planet does it well with the light elephant like fuzz

Well technically phylogenetically any dinosaur can have feathers but the statement stands lol

[woeful falcon]

I don't think reduced feathers is any more right than no feathers. Just a matter of finding feathers if there are any

[lavish frigate]

Nah it is since it’s very unlikely that they completely lost all feathering. Especially being in the group their in. Peach fuzz is probably the most accurate depiction rn

[woeful falcon]

Who can say for certain? There are birds with regions I believe are completely devoid of feathers, or nearly devoid. I don't see reason to claim one or the other. And for tyrannosaurids it might have even been case by case, these species had them, these other ones didn't

Not speaking on any actual likelihoods, just that I don't think its wise to rule a view out. To use the cassowary again, that's a single animal with three varied integuments

[stiff osprey]

To my knowledge no land animal has ever completely lost its fur/feathers, so since Tyrannosaurus comes from feathered ancestors, few feathers are more likely than none

I'd say that's true of all dinosaurs, but we have pretty extensive body coverings of hadrosaurs and ankylosaurs and they've never shown a single feather so who knows

[woeful falcon]

Aye. And depending on how far back one thinks feathers went could have greater implications. And I'm not exactly coming from a place of knowledge I admit, but just thinking about it and looking at our extant feathered friends, feathers seem quite variable. Idk if it's actually less than I think it is, but that's why I pointed out the cassowary having distinct varying integumental regions on a single animal

Fairly sizeable regions

[lavish frigate]

On Animals that had more elephant like tiny fuzz I’d say it’d be pretty hard to preserve so that could be a reason for no feather preservation on them. But who truly knows….

Preservation is so biased 😔

(Preservation bias reference 😈)

[woeful falcon]

Hey random, didn't you say something at one point that psittaco quills would likely have been like a specialized feather or something of the sort, or am I misremembering

[stiff osprey]

Yeah I did

You can't really do a histological section on an imprint burned into a rock, but people always strategically avoid referring to the Psittaco quills as feathers because surely it would be impossible for a non-coelurosaur to be feathered, these must be something else

[little mauve]

Just like they said about pterosaur feathers

[woeful falcon]

Eject the heretic

[lavish frigate]

Pterosaur…..heresy……

[woeful falcon]

My new growing headcannon is that feathers are more variable than we give them credit, and this is based solely on one bird and not given any more thought but goddamn it I'm gonna run with it

[little mauve]

You're right, they're highly variable especially when you include their entire evolutionary history

[lavish frigate]

This video is actually really nice in a way….

Idk why I really like it lol

[frosty cedar]

Showing deinoche... I'm sorry, the duck, before spinosaurus.

2/10, not accurate.

[lavish frigate]

😔

[white matrix]

OH GOD BY INTRODUCING A DEBATE I HAS CAUSE A DEBATE

[open compass]

Guys, what's your opinion about this image? Is Good or not? Many people didn't liked rex's arms

[bright veldt]

Yeah they pronated them for no reason. Like, that was an active decision they made to change that when that wasn't the default.

[junior dawn]

you can kinda tell by the render quality and all that this was made by a different studio

[frosty cedar]

It looks like a hybrid of Jurassic Park/World's rex and Prehistoric Planet's rex. And it leans more into Jurassic.

[outer tusk]

I hate PHP rex so uh not good!!!!

[topaz shell]

Is this a good para?

[lavish frigate]

Kinda cursed ngl

[frosty cedar]

But why tho?

[heady thunder]

The only things I dislike about it are the longer then I prefer eyebrow horns and the beer belly.

[outer tusk]

Must I explain myself why

[frosty cedar]

If you are talking about actual T-rex from the Prehistoric Planet show, then yeah. Is it too fat for your liking?

[outer tusk]

It's not tyrannosaurus rex enough for my liking

[heady thunder]

As not a fan of PP rex, that doesnt make sense to me.

[frosty cedar]

Kuitaran is kinda in his own plain of existence, his reasoning is beyond our comprehension.

[sullen cairn]

same vibes

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, kinda.

[heady thunder]

Like, I prefer my Rexes like this, and thats why I like PoTs rex, JP rex and a lot of other more vintage reconstructions, but PP rex is clearly a rex.

https://youtu.be/W4h48qDDN0s?si=-0Towoene-lGwXNY

[frosty cedar]

As a fan of Jurassic Park/World universe, I also like Jurassic franchise Rex. And I'm also a fan of accurate prehistoric animals, so I like PP Rex as well. In fact, that is my definitive look for irl Rex.

I like vintage reconstructions (1930-60-70s), but only when they are not very silly.

Christ almighty, the video is loud. I'm legally deaf now.

[west coral]

gross

[frosty cedar]

Then there's Life on Our Planet tyrannosaurus. Which..... I mean, it's fine, but from some shots it looks ugly.

Not from these ones tho.

Also, there's an inconsistency, the male Rex is missing proto feathers on the neck. It has it only for the mating scene, but not in any other appearence.

[heady thunder]

It lacks some more pronounced keratin, it feels extra flat.
Thats about it mostly.
The rest are minor looks wise, like the number of teeth.

[frosty cedar]

Maybe it's a mating display, but then Morgan Freeman should've said something.

[heady thunder]

I think thats cos on every other scene, its a female with the males colors.

During the mating scene they were on all the time iirc.

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, but, you know, it looks too 3d model, you know? PP just looks more refined and more detailed, and looks like a real breathing animal. This one is fine, but it's just missing something. Probably because Netflix wanted to ride that sweet Prehistoric Planet hype and make their own documentary, but with less money and effort put into it.

[storm heron]

Really, thats the only reason why they avoid calling them that?

[stiff osprey]

Well, the academic reason is that we cannot prove that they are feathers and not some novel integument

But bruh

[light osprey]

The head…. It just a giant block of flesh, seems to be a huge disparity between the end product and whatever skull they might’ve been referencing

[storm heron]

Ah, I see

[crude latch]

Is it weird that I odly love LOOP Rex? Even if it’s not the most accurate It makes smth in my brain just click and feel good

[heady thunder]

I like the roundness

[crude latch]

Ye smth about it just makes me really happy

[jagged trellis]

anyone can like something, difference is knowing quality vs preference( anyways uhhh dead animals)

[crude latch]

Dead animals are tasty

I highly doubt there were any but like…Fresh water Ichthyosaurs?

[compact leaf]

I mean it is possible, in theory a lot of marine animals can transition to freshwater

[frosty cedar]

Probably the color scheme. And this weird sort of nostalgic feeling about it, like this documentary was actually supposed to be released several years ago.

It's the same feeling like looking at Planet Dinosaur's spinosaurus from 2011.

[crude latch]

That’s probably it tbh

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, it really looks like rex was ripped out from Planet Dinosaur. It really radiates that sort of vibe.

[tough parcel]

Hey, no

Could've at least shown the tyrannosaur from PD

[warped peak]

Not confirmed, but given that plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, and mosasaurs have all been found in freshwater environments before, it seems reasonable

[frosty cedar]

I meant it's just the colour scheme and overall vibe of LOOP Rex falls in line with PD.

[tough parcel]

Yea, hence why you show the Das 😭

[dry kindle]

Is it just me or do all of the loop dinosaurs designs look like trash and aren't really that accurate either? Still a nice documentary but also the fact they said a triceratops cannot face off against a rex annoys me too

[tough parcel]

Maybe sure, but likely not considering ichthyosaurs were already oceanic by the Triassic, so any later into the Mesozoic, they didn't need to go into freshwater

[frosty cedar]

Oh, I got what you mean now.

[crude latch]

That’s what I was thinking

[frosty cedar]

I'm actually watching it right now, starting ep 7, and the doc OVERALL is solid fine. But some creature designs and constant flip floping between past and modern day is just too much, makes you feel like Morgan Freeman and the show have adhd.

And it time skips SOOOOOOO much cool stuff.

[dry kindle]

Generally I don't hate it but it's just the designs that catch me, reminds me of alien worlds the way they spend more time in the modern era than in the past

[warped peak]

The same logic could apply to Plesiosaurs and mosasaurs, but both have been found in river areas

[tough parcel]

No it can't be

Plesiosaurs and mosasaurs started much much later 😭

[light osprey]

Finally something high quality

[frosty cedar]

That's what I'm saying. I was also looking forward to seeing someone like dimetrodon or paraceraterium, but nope, they just don't appear. Because massive 40mln year time jumps.

Come on now.

[dry kindle]

It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility just thinking about things like river dolphins that the water is just what they live in and not what they breath

[crude latch]

Mmmmmmmm

[dry kindle]

It's fine to make comparisons but sometimes it also becomes confusing when we're flip flopping and some people I know who don't know a lot about paleo media thought for example that ostriches evolved right after the KPG mass extinction

[frosty cedar]

that ostriches evolved right after the KPG mass extinction
Yeah, I get what the show is trying to do, but it uhhh... doesn't explain stuff in an understandable and coherent manner.

[warped peak]

What does when they evolved have to do with whether or not they entered freshwater?

[frosty cedar]

Also, what you see in the intro are basically 90% of animals that appear in the actual show lmaooooo.

[light osprey]

Oh is this about freshwater Mosasaurs?

[compact leaf]

ichthyosaurs

[light osprey]

Oh, Sadge

Marnes d’Auzas has a possible freshwater Mosasaur

[lavish frigate]

One of the only good ones is arthropleura

But he ain’t a dinosaur so who cares 💀

[frosty cedar]

We have T-rex, who gives a damn about the rest, am I right?

• Netflix executive

[lavish frigate]

Exactly

[warped peak]

But they managed to fit awful CGI lions in

[frosty cedar]

Also, diplodocus and allosaurus from that show REAAALLLY look like they are from Jurassic franchise.

They are kinda accurate, but at the same time....

[crude latch]

Because they are…

There literally just edited versions

[frosty cedar]

I suspected that.

[crude latch]

And they made allo worse then jw allo 💀

Blud looks like a deformed prosauropod

[frosty cedar]

It's fine for Jurassic franchise. But in this instance it's a GOD DAMN DOCUMENTARY.

[crude latch]

Fr

[compact leaf]

the diplodocus is pretty terrible

[light osprey]

The attention to fine anatomical detail is simply not there for most of LooP’s models

[idle talon]

Life on our planet is just 90% modern animals anyway

[warped peak]

Or ROUGH anatomical details

[idle talon]

May as we just watch Planet Earth instead

[frosty cedar]

I mean, it's better than just straight up plagiarising and using models of the Jurassic franchise in a documentary. At least they resorted to editing them.

[idle talon]

The Life on our planet deinonychus is kinda ugly too imo

[frosty cedar]

There is definitely a dificite of prehistoric documentaries. If I want to watch smth about modern day, I will watch smth about modern day.

[warped peak]

At least they picked a couple obscure creatures

[sullen cairn]

me when why has PD been like the only decent campanian NA media rep in the past two decades

[idle talon]

They did?

[warped peak]

Erythrosuchus my beloved

[frosty cedar]

Also LOOP triceratops is just Jurassic triceratops but thicc and with accurate tail.

[idle talon]

South American carcharadontasaurus

[lavish frigate]

When I first saw this I thought it was a new Jurassic project lol

[frosty cedar]

Me when the

[sullen cairn]

the

[outer tusk]

Am feeling of remaking this guy, I was wondering is it accurate to the reconstructions we know of from Halsazraptor

[light osprey]

He’s looking spiffy

[outer tusk]

So I just need to deepen the drive of the head and beak

[stiff osprey]

the nostril's also in the wrong place, it's at the end of the snout

and the eye's too big

[outer tusk]

yep also I kind of expected the eyes to be big yk cause uh small animal

[trim sandal]

guys i cant draw dinocirus:(

the big meaty duck

[outer tusk]

Idk I was just wondering from this message and could Triceratops swivel it's head 360°?

[alpine island]

“Tyrannosaurus head wasn’t even that strong”

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosaurus's bite force is over 5 tons. It's not rocket science that something that can crunch through metal can crunch through alligator scutes+

Tyrannosaurus also had literally the best turn of any large theropod, specifically because of said triceratops prey.

Triceratops still had the better turning but this is mad underselling rex.

[light osprey]

Counterpoint; Triceratops in rut

[sullen cairn]

My well-researched, succinct argument when my opponent mentions solitary lions don’t hunt adult elephants

https://tenor.com/view/wayne-bird-building-collapse-building-falls-gif-13351341

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-blade-runner2049-ryan-gosling-agony-face-rub-gif-22006312

[idle talon]

The youngster on its way to stray from the herd

[lavish frigate]

Ankylosaur when 5 tons of force is exerted on softer parts of its body:

[white matrix]

Isn't ankys whole deal that it's designed to be hard to bite in the first place

[outer tusk]

ngl given it's much smaller size, I don't think it's at hard to biting down on a right spot to kill it but eh

[lavish frigate]

Oh if Anky just lays down most predation is hard to impossible. Spiky ball of hatred

[outer tusk]

But it isn't spiked

[lavish frigate]

Ankys real strength is denying ankle privileges

[bright veldt]

That's more what the armor's for yeah.

[light osprey]

Now what could behold upon an animal to want to put armour made of bone all over its body…. 🤔

[lavish frigate]

Darn it alderon! It was a joke!

[crude latch]

LOL

[lavish frigate]

Quick if we all apologize to each other maybe they won’t ban us!

[crude latch]

I’m sowy Karson-Chan UwU 👉🏻👈🏻

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/stickergiant-hug-big-hug-im-sorry-sorry-gif-26033752

[topaz shell]

Is a throat gurgle plausible on tarbo?

[lavish frigate]

Define “throat gurgle”

[topaz shell]

Like the one on pk tarbo

[lavish frigate]

At times like these I wish my Apple subscription didn’t run out….

[topaz shell]

Less blurry

[wintry path]

reduced to atoms

[wintry path]

tyrannosaurus had pivotal hips right? or something along those lines that gave it an extreme edge

[bright veldt]

idk the details

[topaz shell]

So a throat like this is plausible?

[wintry path]

a droopy one?

[topaz shell]

Ye

[wintry path]

there's no reason to think it wouldnt be plausible. but since it'd be soft tissue there wouldnt really be any trace of it

[topaz shell]

True

[wintry path]

i can see them having a dewlap for display purposes

maybe brightly colored to attract mates or serve as intimidation or to just throw off predators

[topaz shell]

Like maybe a bright blue or green during mating season

[wintry path]

yeah

like how some birds can puff up their necks and stuff or something like that

[wintry path]

imagine if trex had a balloon neck 😭

[wintry path]

jp buck rex was my first thought when dewlap came to mind ngl

[wintry path]

yeah that isnt farfetched

[topaz shell]

Just realized that’s supposed to be tarbo

[wintry path]

thats a very reasonable thing i think some metricanthosaurids actually have documented dewlaps

I might be trippin tho so dont quote me on that

[topaz shell]

This is trex I think

[tough parcel]

You are tripping incredibly hard, no dinosaur has any sort of dewlap preserved

[sullen cairn]

Erm.. tarbosaurus..?

[tough parcel]

I will eat you alive

[sullen cairn]

You are only able to do this because of said dewlap

[ruby patio]

Tarbosaurus also preserves very nice skin impressions

[lavish frigate]

Well. New favorite tyrannosaur art

[wintry path]

💔 i swear it wa ssomewhere

[tough parcel]

I will be in the cold ground by the time we get a dewlap dinosaur

[lavish frigate]

A decorative air sac is just a dewlap with extra steps
-me

[tough parcel]

Both are bad

Air sac is a worse sin though

I just started a coughing fit after I read that, you killed me

[lavish frigate]

Why you not like dinosaurs with air sacs

[light osprey]

Behold, Tarbosaurus

[tough parcel]

No, I just hate 8 ton theropods with bright blue ballsacks for skin

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-me-meme-me-tweaking-gif-4806869717826284567

[lavish frigate]

But what about…….

[light osprey]

I knew you’d love it

[tough parcel]

No

[lavish frigate]

It is totally realistic and plausible

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gigantoraptor-feathers-bird-dinosaur-dino-gif-17304307

[tough parcel]

No

[crude latch]

Yes

[lavish frigate]

Why can’t Gigantoraptor have it

[tough parcel]

PTSD

[lavish frigate]

Gigantoraptor killed my gramma ok….

[tough parcel]

Bro mockin my scarring trauma, I see how it is

[crude latch]

“I ATE MY GRANDMA”

Also is this some lore I’m missing?

[lavish frigate]

What trauma do you have with blue Gigantoraptor 💀

[tough parcel]

Gigantoraptor in general

[lavish frigate]

Ok valid

[light osprey]

Gular Neck things can also just be, flush with the colour profile of the rest of the animal

[lavish frigate]

No 👍

[light osprey]

Real

[lavish frigate]

Bright blue Tyrannosaurus bataar 😔

[crude latch]

Wait some dinosaurs do have Inflatable neck pouches

https://tenor.com/view/frigatebird-gif-3574431

[tough parcel]

Avians

Not non-avians

Don’t try to pull the erm actually on me, I am far beyond you in power level

[light osprey]

He’s… literally Lancian….

[crude latch]

Why is Non Avian Dinos being a frigate bird so impossible 😭

[light osprey]

Behold something completely reasonable

[tough parcel]

He’s rubbing off on me, I hate it

[crude latch]

Irritator be like

[tough parcel]

A) The frigate bird shares a completely different lifestyle, niche, growth cycle, and existence than your standard non-avian dinosaur

B) I hate air sacs-dewlaps-inflatables

[crude latch]

Tf do you hate them for 💀

[light osprey]

The tyrannosaur inflates its purple triple sacked gular pouch…

[tough parcel]

They’re ugly and never look good ever

[crude latch]

💀

[light osprey]

The hideous ever

[tough parcel]

And with that, my point is proven

[crude latch]

Blud needs a haircut

[light osprey]

It’s so thin and sad

[crude latch]

This looks so god damn goofy 💀

[topaz shell]

Birb weirdest

[crude latch]

“Sir Is that Uranium “

[topaz shell]

Yes

[light osprey]

Though, iirc, Pelecanimimus did have a gular skin pouch

[topaz shell]

Weird crow

[crude latch]

Hmmm I wonder how it got its name?

[light osprey]

Though it is not large in the slightest

[crude latch]

That’s a weird ass fish wtf? When did fish get necks

[topaz shell]

Since 1655

[crude latch]

Speaking of dewlaps on dinos

[lavish frigate]

This chat needed obese sauropods

[ornate inlet]

A general reminder for everyone currently in this channel to please be polite and respectful, and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our #rules .

[crude latch]

[lavish frigate]

We’re people even doing anything

[crude latch]

Yes….teehee

[wintry path]

what is your guys opinions on the new backtobasics jp movie and what are you hoping for when it comes to dinosaur design

[lavish frigate]

I’m hoping it’s secretly just them reanimating accurate dinosaurs into the first three movies and then making a new accurate trilogy fr

[sullen cairn]

this will be ceratosaurians vs allosauroids in valanginian argentina

[wintry path]

this dont feel like a fair fight

[stiff osprey]

why is the valanginian just the early jurassic 2

[light osprey]

Isn’t Valanginian in the mix of those funky Early Cretaceous Cold Snaps

[sullen cairn]

Every Mesozoic period goes through the same bootup cycle in the first ten million years or so

lmfao

[stiff osprey]

why were dicraeosaurids

[sullen cairn]

oh god leinkupal's from there too

sobbing

[light osprey]

The diminutive Sauropoda

[sullen cairn]

why is larramendi's leinkupal 3x larger than franoys'

[stiff osprey]

sometimes larramendi stupid

[sullen cairn]

how so

[wintry path]

that sauropod isnt real

you canr convince me small sauropods are real they are just made up to have more variety

[frosty cedar]

I just really don't get why people expect accurate dinosaurs from Jurassic franchise.

The design of Jurassic dinosaurs is pretty unique and should radiate 90s or early 2000s energy. Also, brand recognition. You will probably know what Rex or raptor is from Jurassic franchise just by looking at it.

The only time actually accurate dinosaurs should've appeared is Dominion's prologue.

[frosty cedar]

Also, what do you mean back to basics exactly?

[stiff current]

who believes t rex could reach over 12 tons

[frail robin]

I think it's possible that it could have happened once or twice. Essentially a Gustav moment were one individual gets lucky af and manages to live for a really long time

[outer tusk]

Nobody

[wintry path]

like a restart, not a sequel. (i think) Original screenwriter for JP and TLW is onboard the project

[heady thunder]

So a JP movie, but again. Basically like a multiverse.

[west coral]

table I beg stop making random giant abelisaurs and giving them to tiny sauropods

[light osprey]

Fret not. The Maastrichtian brings sanity

[wintry path]

I guess? Its just a restart/remake i think?

[sullen cairn]

in my defense its only like carno-sized and it was already big when it was described so this isn't my fault

[wintry path]

isnt ed cope like 11.8 to 12.4

[tacit pine]

Nobody because avarage rex is 8 tons

[west coral]

at least scale the ankylosaur there too

[sullen cairn]

its isolated scutes and i don't think the paper describing em even exists online

[west coral]

Could probably reconstruct it as a paranky

[frosty cedar]

It's not a remake.
It's just another Jurassic movie, but with the writer of JP1 and TLW.

[ancient crystal]

So it at least has the potential to be good

[frosty cedar]

I mean, I like the entire Jurassic franchise so far. I hope this movie will be more about people living with dinosaurs, because Dominion opened that whole era.

But Dominion itself only scratched the surface, so that new movie has a chance to develop this topic more.

[light osprey]

Patagopelta the very real Panoplosaurine

[wintry path]

didnt help that all tye stuff i wss looking at kept yhrowing around reboot

[outer tusk]

7t-7.5t

[frosty cedar]

It's the media for ya, it really **likes **to disinform people.
By their logic, Jurassic World is also a reboot.

[outer tusk]

~10.7t

[wintry path]

vividian lied to me

[outer tusk]

You're first lie was using Vivid at all

[heady thunder]

Thats a sequel tho

[wintry path]

🎣

i caught one i caught one

[outer tusk]

What

[frosty cedar]

That is what I'm saying. Media likes to throw terms like reboot when it actually isn't and it makes people confused.

[west coral]

no idea why it’s a nodosaur in the first place

[compact leaf]

sobbing

[unkempt roost]

What is a dinosaur name part (like -saurus or Deino- ) that you feel is underused in the fossil record?

For an example, some of you may think the suffix "-venator" needs more love or that more dinosaurs should be called "Australo-".

What are your picks for underused dinosaur names?

I copypasted this from dinopedia, yet I'm still asking this question

[wintry path]

ganax

[tough parcel]

-therium

[frosty cedar]

para-

[unkempt roost]

therium?

[tough parcel]

Yes

[light osprey]

Because nobody knows what the diagnostic traits of Parankylosaurs are

[unkempt roost]

Ok

[compact leaf]

I’ve always liked the feminine saura, it just sounds nice

[west coral]

looks fine

[tranquil quartz]

Personally I don’t feel like they need them. Meraxes for example, thats a dope asf name and I will stand by it

[stiff osprey]

if Meraxes has 1000 fans I am one of them. if Meraxes has 1 fan that's me. if Meraxes has 0 fans know I am no longer on the earth

[tranquil quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3392281

[tough parcel]

Sbobing

[lucid ibex]

Fellow Meraxes enjoyer I see

[sullen cairn]

that's from chorillo

[nova summit]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-had-a-meal-recently-hazen-audel-primal-survivor-just-ate-recently-ate-gif-19439883

[idle talon]

Basekti giant moment

[light osprey]

Chorrillo has a Parankylosaur?

[sullen cairn]

its just ankylosauria indet

[nova summit]

Me talking to my paleo friends ^

[wintry path]

erm i stand with you

[lucid ibex]

Meraxes fans united

[lavish frigate]

Hey how plausible does this look for a speculative “modern” Tyrannosaurus descendent? (Those are feature scales and not osteoderms btw)

[frosty cedar]

Modern as in living in modern day?
Or you mean speculative evolution's modern standarts?

[lavish frigate]

As in the KPG didn’t happen and this is something that exists in the “modern day” in that universe. So ig modern in spec evo standards

[frosty cedar]

So, this tyranno would be living in our times in that universe? 66my after KGP?

[lavish frigate]

Well 66mya after the KPG happened in our universe since it didn’t happen there but ya

[frosty cedar]

Alright, got ya. Overall, it looks ok.

How big is it?

[lavish frigate]

It’s the one on the right just above the teal hadrosaur

[tacit pine]

Vastatosaurus 🥱

[frosty cedar]

So it's kinda the same size as Scotty? Or other rex of that size?

[lavish frigate]

It’s around the same size as the largest Tyrannosaurus specimens in height and length and about 12 tons in weight

[frosty cedar]

Alright.

Wait is this a giant lobster?

[lavish frigate]

You summoned the giant crayfish…..

[frosty cedar]

Jeez.

And what is that 1km long purple thing above? Some sort of salamander?

[lavish frigate]

A Dune snake large legged snake that lives in desert environments and constricts its pray. It doesn’t swallow it whole however and it eats by biting off chunks like normal predators

[frosty cedar]

Did you draw it yet?

Oh, I guess you did, since that chart is just colored in versions of finished drawings.

[lavish frigate]

The one in the comparison is a little to big and thicc lol (I guess I mixed it up with its semi aquatic oceanic cousin)

[frosty cedar]

Cool. Is it all north american fauna btw?

[lavish frigate]

No most of them are from Eurasia. The only NA one is technically the large Tyrannosaurus descendent but the legless azhdarchids do range into NA occasionally

[frosty cedar]

Nice.

[lavish frigate]

Oh and the sapient species ends up being worldwide so ig that’s technically a north American thing if you think about it lol

[frosty cedar]

Is this like a sapient snake?

[lavish frigate]

No lol it’s an abelisaur with opposable feet

[frosty cedar]

Lmao.

[lavish frigate]

It adopts a kangaroo like posture to manipulate objects

[frosty cedar]

It mastered the art of tootsie-grabbing.

[lavish frigate]

Exactly lol

[frosty cedar]

I like the fact that abelisaurs' arms will just never evolve lol)).

[lavish frigate]

The only reason they even have their arms is because they strap tools to them lol

Completely useless other than that

[frosty cedar]

That's what skipping the arm day does to a man.

[lavish frigate]

😔

Its closest relatives lost their arms since they aren’t sapient and can’t fashion tool sleeve things for themselves

[unkempt roost]

Oh alr

[idle talon]

Was argentavis a scavenger or a hunter?

[tough parcel]

A hunter

[tough parcel]

http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2019/08/we-need-to-talk-about-teratorns.html

[sullen cairn]

why is this titled like a disappointed parent

[ruby patio]

Does this mean the animal is 2 meters or the axis is 2 meters...

[sullen cairn]

sweet 160m abelisauroid

anyways i refuse to believe argentina looked like this at one point

[ruby patio]

Such is a summary of paleo chat

Also I'm gonna email Dr. Carr asking about the phylogeny of the other Iren Dabasu material

Because we have Late Santonian Tyrannosaurid material from Japan too

[sullen cairn]

on one hand guh
on the other hand TYRANNOSAURINI DIVERGED BY THE LATE SANTONIAN WE LITERALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CONIACIAN-MIDDLE SANTONIAN ITS PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOLKS

[compact leaf]

cretaceous japan is weird

[ruby patio]

Chiliantisaurus

[light osprey]

The World sets itself right in the Maastrichtian

[sullen cairn]

2/3rds of those were dead in the maastrichtian

[ruby patio]

I remember having a pet theory at one point that Bahariasaurus, "Prodeinodon", Chiliantisaurus and Siats were all giant proceratosaurids because of the fibula ratios and how they lined up stratigraphically

[light osprey]

Based

[compact leaf]

was japan a part of the bigger asian landmass or did it wind up isolated by the late cretaceous?

[ruby patio]

Proceratosaurids: disappearing for 5 million years at a time before appearing somewhere 5000 km away!
But then again half of those things are dust/lost so

[compact leaf]

I know most of what we have from it post cenomanian are marine deposits

[ruby patio]

But it would be interesting to plot them as Proceratosaurids to see what happens

[sullen cairn]

enter angeac totally definitely an ornithomimosaur --> deltadromeus --> bahariasaurus --> gualicho --> alioramus anagenesis

[ruby patio]

ALIORAMUS 😭

Hm what is Carr's email. I remember sending one once about Celeste's surrangular measurements

[light osprey]

Depends on what map you use. Usually a part of the rest of Asia though

[sullen cairn]

https://www.carthage.edu/live/profiles/782-thomas-carr

[light osprey]

Apparently it was a haven for Mesodermochelys

[ruby patio]

Man Aussie wifi is killing me
Page cannot load

Ok got it

Ok I sent the email now, hopefully he replies soon

[sullen cairn]

in the meantime

the bistahieverse canon version is that the iren dabasu and kazakh tyrannosaurs represent the earliest tyrannosaurini in santonian-early campanian asia, with tarbosaurus and zhuchengtyrannus diverging ~77 Ma, and Tyrannosaurus-line taxa entering NA ~75 Ma
Meanwhile T. bataar, Udurchukan, and Nanxiong represent the terminal Asian lineages

[tough parcel]

This is not Carr, this can't be

Like no way, nuh uh wtf

[sullen cairn]

...what did you think he looked like..?

[tough parcel]

One se

[light osprey]

lol

[lavish frigate]

Exactly 💀

[tough parcel]

LMAO

[light osprey]

The

[sullen cairn]

i concur
the

[lavish frigate]

They even deleted the rebuttal

Well anyway have this 🫳

[sullen cairn]

on topic jumpscare

[lavish frigate]

Quetz species size is funny to me

[ancient crystal]

Northropi being just as big an anatomical outlier as rex is to the rest of tyrannosauridae

[little mauve]

Hokkaido was still connected as recently as the last glacial maximum, during the Cretaceous its still totally continental

[light osprey]

The Hadrosaurs were find there are so weird it feels like it should be insular

[little mauve]

Which ones?

Looks similar to Udurchukan, which isn't far

[light osprey]

Yamatosaurus

[little mauve]

Nifty late surviving basal hadrosaurid

[sullen cairn]

I am ghost lineage so I must be insular anachronism

[light osprey]

Well yes!

We await Japan’s Maastrichtian Ceratopsoids

[little mauve]

I'm imagining a map of Latest K Asia and there's just a perfect modern Japan

Yamatosaurus was just living that easy beach life and was too chill to evolve

[compact leaf]

what map do you like to use for late cretaceous? I know this sort of thing is in your wheelhouse

[light osprey]

I like the Koppen paleo climate proxie one fron the recent paper

[ruby patio]

Probably divered around 83 mya

There's milk river stuff from that time actually
Also yeah Carr looks sm younger than I thought

[compact leaf]

can you share that? I think I know which one you're talking about but I want to be sure

[compact leaf]

that's less of a split down north america than I'm used to seeing

[little mauve]

That one is great, Scotese's work is the classic go to. It's best to go region by region geologically though, the big picture is more contentious

Medium picture let's say lol, we know the general idea

[light osprey]

Keep in mind it’s not a perfect reconstruction. Same methodology applied to the Holocene sometimes lumped hot-summer continental climates into warm-temperate, warm-summer continental into oceanic climates, and sub-arctic climates into humid continental climates. Things were a bit chillier than it could lead on to be

[compact leaf]

I'm mostly looking for continental structure rather than climatology but I'll be defaulting to this for climate now too

[little mauve]

Yeah the extent and duration of the WIS is one of those debated things. Someone on Twitter just did a thread on it I think I could find

[compact leaf]

you also tend to see northern europe large but pretty isolated too, hard to say what's going on there in terms of fauna with so few fossils

[light osprey]

I wonder if the persistent WIS models clash with the extensive glaciation predictions in the South Pole

[little mauve]

Can't find the thread but yeah there's some good support for the WIS not closing until the Paleocene

[compact leaf]

I just want to know more about what's going on in those weird isolated places like inland appalachia, there could be so many cool animals there that we just haven't found yet (or can't find because of terrain)

[outer tusk]

'so what is this formation?

[sullen cairn]

bajada colorada

[outer tusk]

peak formation!!!!

[light osprey]

I’m self convinced Nodosaurines persist there

[outer tusk]

btw can I use this image wihtout giving context?