paleontology

[west coral]

god hatzeg has arrived

[bright veldt]

sigh I knew this would happen

[steady rock]

does this help?

[frozen basin]

Oversized Hatzeg

It’s so over

[bright veldt]

I'd just have to know if that's an adult campto. That's a pretty clear image.

[nocturne cairn]

no growth bar at the bottom, it's adult

[steady rock]

he told me it is

[bright veldt]

Got it. Time to do some math.

[woeful falcon]

here's a hatz skeletal for comparison

[stiff osprey]

it doesn't look like it's twice its actual size, from that screenshot

betting on a 15-18m wingspan

[bright veldt]

It might be alright? The head is about half-campto's length, so in the context of ingame, it's oversized but maybe not by that much?

[steady rock]

someone said it just picked up a concave

[woeful falcon]

where is this all happening

[steady rock]

on officals

[bright veldt]

idk how to feel

[west coral]

It does look fairly accurate

[stiff osprey]

300kg pterosaur picks up 600kg carcharodontosaur. astonishing

[steady rock]

i mean, sarcosuchus can pick up ano

[bright veldt]

That is not the same at all

[steady rock]

well, it could just be jiggy messing around with the stats to troll people

[ancient crystal]

I am entirely too exhausted to tell if this is real or not

[steady rock]

literally check pc screenshots

[bright veldt]

I honestly wouldn't bet on the size/appearance being WIP. We knew what pycno looked like months in advance because of a leak and not a thing changed.

[west coral]

how does one generate enough lift organically to lift one ton

[steady rock]

wow even the dev said it

[stiff osprey]

air sacs filled with antigravity devices i dunno

[bright veldt]

I honestly think it's bordering on the absurd even if we ignore the size. Like I'm fine with the eurhino thing cause it's fun and is at least possible in theory. This is reaching JWE2 quetz territory.

How do you even balance that?

[west coral]

propellers random, propellers

modern problems require modern solutions

[stiff osprey]

I will say I don't mind hatz being oversized, it would be kinda lame playing a realistic Hatzeg given it isn't in any way built for fighting animals larger than Deinon

[steady rock]

how we feeling?

[bright veldt]

It stands...weird

[stiff osprey]

Unless it's like, 3 times the height of rex, then you done bad

[nocturne cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[west coral]

why is it bent like that

[sullen cairn]

They should give hatz a cute little propeller hat

[bright veldt]

Anatomy wise it looks fine.

[stiff osprey]

Nice skin

[steady rock]

WHAT THE HELL, IT DONT EVEN CALL, IT JUST SCREAMS

[bright veldt]

What concerns me is if they're completing ignoring the terrestrial stalker playstyle for it being a bird of prey. Because the PoT devs have never completely ignored something awesome and original the OG taxa did in favor of stereotypes before

[steady rock]

i think this thing is massive

[frozen basin]

Oh great, another potentially unique playstyle thrown out of the window

[stiff osprey]

I hope its calls are actual human screams

[bright veldt]

I'm fine with it picking up dinos, but if that's all it does then there's a major dissapointment there.

[steady rock]

well, it seems to me is that its gonna pick up prey, fly high and drop them

[ancient crystal]

As long as it doesn't dive I'll consider it a win

[west coral]

Christmas update woohoo

[frozen basin]

Also I really do not like the way the neck bends

[steady rock]

its actually gonna be semi aquatic and is going to pick up eurino, drag them onto land and eat them

[sullen cairn]

Perfect

[steady rock]

wake me up when y'all find out its size

[ancient crystal]

Its arms certainly bend weird, like my guy has no bones just tubes

[steady rock]

they're saying its all tall as bars

[bright veldt]

Ok then it might not be that bad. I'd expect it to be a tad taller than rex.

[steady rock]

height, not weight

[viral jasper]

wait what?! someones making a hatz mod!!

[steady rock]

its the offical thing. . .

[viral jasper]

its out already??

I havent played pot since forever

[crude latch]

Not yet

[viral jasper]

ah

is it in ptb?

[viral jasper]

or is it still private?

[crude latch]

Not sure

[viral jasper]

well where did you get the screenshots?

[tribal sandal]

Please restart your game and you will be able to see it on officials

[viral jasper]

kk

[viral jasper]

W name btw

skink still better, but lorikeet is also a W name

[lavish frigate]

The way its wings bend is….a choice. Also why his wings so weirdly connected to the ankles (php for reference)

[viral jasper]

nothing beats lizard names lol

[viral jasper]

yeah also the front view on the head is...... well... find out for yourself

[stiff osprey]

Ankle connection looks fine to me, it's screenshotted mid flapping so it's gonna look weird

[viral jasper]

when i play it...

[west coral]

Good news, it cannot swim

[viral jasper]

yay

i also can't take off with it lol

[lilac vale]

And why isn’t he walking on his knuckles

And where is Hatz? Is it in PTB or where

[viral jasper]

its open to the public

[tribal sandal]

Hatz is live on officials, Please restart your game

[viral jasper]

HOW DO YOU FLY THIS THING T-T

it doesn't take off lol

just glides down like its out of stam

[boreal ore]

He's out?!

[lavish frigate]

The way it it shaped seems off to me? Maybe more like this?

[lilac vale]

It has grab?

[viral jasper]

its prob the angle?

[lilac vale]

In the black image its arms look strange? Why are they curved like that

[tribal sandal]

Hello! If you are interested in providing feedback to our Dev Team on the new update, we highly recommend posting a well written Feedback Board post here: https://feedback.pathoftitans.com/

[boreal ore]

I haven't played the new update yet

[bright veldt]

The hatz looks fine. There's probably issues in a few places but it looks perfectly fine. Also having tested it in single-player, it can do the terrestrial stalker role, so it's pretty based. It gets the scan pass.

I'm kinda sad its momentum on land is rather slow but given that it's very powerful I understand the realism vs balance argument.

[sullen cairn]

Would that be shortened to pan or scass

[white matrix]

i was fearing a thala situation but thankfully it looks much better and feels better to fly with

[light osprey]

Oh Hatzegopteryx is out?

[bright veldt]

Yup. Merry Christmas I guess.

[lilac vale]

Were pterosaurs arms like this

[bright veldt]

Yeah the bendy arm is kinda weird. I don't think it's a problem though.

[lilac vale]

I thought they were straighter

[light osprey]

Probably

[white matrix]

the neck and arms are a bit bendy

[viral jasper]

YES I FINALLY GOT BIG BIRD OF THE GROUND

[lilac vale]

Can someone give another pterosaur arm for reference

[lavish frigate]

Wait wait wait are there subs without the weird wings?!

[viral jasper]

I had to glitch it off the ground

[lilac vale]

Are there?

[viral jasper]

no, this is the default I believe

I think i am using default at least, mad ugly fellow he is

[light osprey]

Pointed wing?🪽

[lilac vale]

It looks pretty good save for it not walking on knuckles

And the curvy arms

[lavish frigate]

Hmmm

[bright veldt]

It looks fine enough. No complaints. Terrestrial stalker niche intact. I like. Now the real question. How big is it?

[lilac vale]

Someone should walk up to a rex and Screen shot

[livid jungle]

Here's a comparison between PT's Quetz and Hatz:

[viral jasper]

im using the ugly fello

[bright veldt]

Ok. It's shorter than PT Quetz.

[lilac vale]

Which is accurate

[bright veldt]

That is also a win yes.

[viral jasper]

the neck hurts me to look at

[lilac vale]

Does it have grab

[bright veldt]

Hatz is an absolute win. Eurhino and Hatz have been great. Happy that the slog that was rex to kaiwhekea is broken.

[viral jasper]

its not a bloody bendy straw

[lilac vale]

I’m assuming this confirms grab

I see a whole ass dinosaur in beak

[viral jasper]

just really annoyed it has to take off a cliff. It can't take off the ground

[bright veldt]

You can, but you need to be at full sprint, which takes a solid second.

[viral jasper]

ah yes

just found out

[livid jungle]

Really like the back pycnofibers. Very aesthetic.

[lavish frigate]

Well…..Hatz is certainly a creature 👍 I won’t make any other comments from here accept that idk if the Illuminati is trying to Mandela affect us but why are the wings apparently not ugly anymore

Overall pretty good. Although it definitely needs some sprucing up on mobile

[bright veldt]

It might've just been mid-animation with the first screenshot. The membranes aren't static.

[lavish frigate]

I mean it looks to me like it’s at the same pose as the second one just about with how the wings are so idk 🤷‍♂️

[bright veldt]

The first screenshot is mid-flap. The second is gliding with wings at rest.

I watched how the wings are when flying to verify. That is what it is.

[lavish frigate]

Hmmm….mayhaps

[tired crystal]

Hatzegs body is just copy paste of thalas its not accurate and it feels sorta lazy thats my opinion though, it could definitely use a little work on its body

[bright veldt]

It is not a copy + paste of thal's. Thalassodromids also are closesly related to ahzdarchids. It's kinda a no brainer they'd be built similar. They were closely related and had similar lifestyles.

What did you expect?

[lilac vale]

hatz to walk on his knuckles

[alpine island]

We all wanted Hatz to walk like a person

[lilac vale]

not me

[white matrix]

Why does Hatz look like that

I can't put a finger on what it is but it feels... Off

[alpine island]

Posture maybe?

[white matrix]

That's probably it. The neck specifically looks very... Noodly?

[tired crystal]

Thal is related and had a similar niche but hatze looks bad, its body is huge and wide thats my problem

[lilac vale]

My problem is everything in this game that’s why I play it for the mods only

[white matrix]

Wow Hatz is not animated well so far

[elfin pulsar]

That eat animations tho

[white matrix]

Hatz moves like a floppy rubber toy full of plastic beans

[crude latch]

wtf is this Ark Quetz wannabe posture it’s actually making me wanna die

[bright veldt]

Not following really

[crude latch]

Idk it’s just…

[light osprey]

Holy shmoly it’s got a big head

[crude latch]

Ye but PT quetz still has the biggest I think( the left one)

[dusky prairie]

Does anyone know if anything else changed with this update?

Or was it just added quetz

[ornate inlet]

As soon as everything is prepared the official announcement will be posted. Feel free to keep an eye on our #announcements chanell

[dusky prairie]

Thanks you guys are great! I know a lot of us are negative Nancy’s but we all really appreciate this new Christmas content drop! You guys are great!!

[ornate inlet]

Thank you for your kind words. If you are interested in providing feedback to our Dev Team, we highly recommend posting a well written Feedback Board post here: https://feedback.pathoftitans.com/

[dusky prairie]

Won’t have time over the next few days but I definitely have and will do again. To all the team Have a Goodnight a Marry Christmas!!!

[ornate inlet]

We are looking forward to it. Merry Christmas!

[frail robin]

Hatzegopteryx is so good. It has correct pycnofiber placement, correct wing shape, correct wing folding... EVEN THE PALMS FACE THE CORRECT WAY WHEN FLYING!!
Thank you Alderon for this Christmas miracle

[dry zealot]

imo hatze is pretty darn good. It also feels like hatze. doesn't move really fast really quickly, flies like a truck with wings. I like the feel it has, it has 'weight'

it doesn't feel like a paper plane at all and although that does make hatze's movement balance its strong attacks it somehow feels right with it.

And I like that it needs a full sprint run up to be able to take flight

from what I last recall Hatze is the bulkiest Az

[elfin pulsar]

Very impressed with it

[frail robin]

It is. Hatz evolved to be the Apex predator of its ecosystem, and PoT nailed it

[dry zealot]

try peck barrage. just melted 2 kentros on land its uhhh.. super strong xD

[sullen kite]

I love hatz

[frail robin]

General chat: HATZ IS HORRID I HATE IT I HATE IT
All other chats: My beloved child

Hatz is everything that I wanted. It's cool, accurate, strong, doesn't feel like it was poorly researched... it's the perfect gift from Alderon

[dry zealot]

only hard-counter to it is pounce. Definitely well done, though surprised the things it should be hunting have a severely powerful counter: pouncing on its back (Which stops hatze from ever flying again when pounced)

[heady thunder]

Theyre caught up with the numbers, which will be changed anyways if they have to

[tranquil quartz]

@storm shuttle

[storm shuttle]

whao whar

[tranquil quartz]

It got downsized a lot

[storm shuttle]

yeah because of the research, in the documents its still around the size of a Megalodon

[elfin pulsar]

?

[storm shuttle]

ok I know i sound stupid

[tranquil quartz]

What Megalodon is like maximum estimated 100+ tons

Dunk is grouper sized

[elfin pulsar]

That’s a large great white shark in the picture, not a megalodon

[heavy prairie]

hi paleo chat, anyone else just find PoT's hatze just a bit.. weird ? and off ? it just doesnt look right.

[tranquil quartz]

Im pretty sure its pretty paleo accurate

[heady thunder]

Its not the exact one from PP, bad model

[frail robin]

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious

[civic tulip]

It really is a miracle isn't it

I was expecting another Thal

[tiny holly]

For the most part its great, the odd thing about it imo is the posture. We're used to seeing azhdarchids reconstructed with a fairly erect upright posture. Straight neck, torso tilted upwards etc. Hatz's neck is weirdly swannish

[dry zealot]

for me it is the neck. Not impossible but it is a tiny bit too thin for my liking

Its not meant to be very thick but probably ever so slightly thicker than it is.

Hatze overall is accurate to what we know though, some people are joking about how funny the textures on the beak look when actually that is not wrong, its not meant to be highly textured and sharp on the beak, its a smooth keratin beak, it'll be shiny, blurry and smooth, not dry and fuzzy like sandpaper

[tiny holly]

A bit more of a gular pouch situation would have been nice imo, the thinness of the neck does amplify the bobblehead in a little bit of a weird way

[slate walrus]

Acting as if Hatz’s head isn’t like a quarter of its body mass anyways. very hard to make it not look lopsided

[tiny holly]

The wing finger might be a little bit too long as well but its not too bad imo

[dry zealot]

this is fine, it may look smooth and low textured but its not meant to look clear and sharp, as keratin unless its messed up from use, worn down by time, it'll look like this (probably)

[slate walrus]

wait people have problems with that

[dry zealot]

Yea. Saying its too dull and not sharp enough.

Its meant to be smooth though, its keratin. Some extant parrots today have beaks that look like this, you can even rub it and feel that the keratin is very smooth, almost textureless

[slate walrus]

it’s even easier to answer than that: nails be smooth

[tiny holly]

The problem imo is just that smooth textures look weird in video games a lot of the time. Its hard to have something smooth look less glossy and more matte depending on how your materials are set up

[dry zealot]

Also true, but i don't see it being inaccurate to the animal. Unless the animal has a shorter beak and goes through wear, eroding by harshly getting used like: different species of parrots, used to crack tough food the keratin won't get flaky on the beak, it'll be mostly look like that, smooth, dull, almost blurry to the eye

[frail robin]

The one thing I would like for Hatz is that the wings fold like they did when it had very small wing membranes

[crude latch]

y e p

[heavy prairie]

yeah the posture is just ?? weird

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[white matrix]

Wait we know where the pycnofibers would’ve been?

[frail robin]

Yeah. On the whole body, neck, arms and legs

[white matrix]

Nice, good to know

[white matrix]

Thank you!

[candid walrus]

I think the neck posture, size of the wings compared to the body and the size of the head are off

It looks like a retro design, usually they aleays make good models, this is the first on i dont like

[nocturne cairn]

neck posture is weird but the proportions for the rest of it are fine afaik

[candid walrus]

Wings are too big

[nocturne cairn]

compared to this? my game is updating rn so i can't check but it looked about right

[candid walrus]

If you look here it shouldnt go al that way up when on ground, may its the posture? Idk

But over all is only the neck posture, it doesnt take much to fix it

[viscid surge]

Neck seems pretty skinny to me, could do with some bulking up and straightening

[candid walrus]

Yeah

[viscid surge]

And the fact that it kinda looks like the neck on like… a heron or flamingo lol, with the absolute… well idk what word we use lol

[candid walrus]

Looks like a retro design

[heady thunder]

A lot of pots designs have a bit of retro in them, its Jiggys style

[candid walrus]

a little bit its ok, but mostly they arent and not so retro like this one

[slate walrus]

It’s not that bad, the postures just a little funky

[white matrix]

Is Homotherium nestianum a synonym of crenatidens?

[ancient crystal]

Hatz is a massive step up from thal, why can't people just be happy?

[tranquil quartz]

Because we live in a society

[delicate pelican]

it fixed one thing

which was wing folding

[sudden wind]

Hatz model seems rather "fine" (though it lacks some features seen in Pterodactyloids and is disproportionate). However, the rig is atrocious.

[woeful falcon]

Curvy

[white matrix]

woodpecker niche when

[tranquil quartz]

Emperor Penguin niche when

[light osprey]

woah that is quite the S curve

[candid walrus]

cuz, somethings worng with it are not like mechanic wise, is design that looks strange like the neck, its simple to fix

[light osprey]

I really like that head from a side profile

[candid walrus]

overall i like it just the neck that is ugly

[ancient crystal]

Compared to kai and thal I don't really see a reason to complain

[candid walrus]

but everything is nice

[candid walrus]

the eurhino was a step up to kai, fun, pretty and well made design wise

[bright veldt]

Yeah I personally don't have a problem realistically with how it looks. I know plenty of people that think it looks ugly though. Where tf were these people when kai was implemented amiright.

But yeah, Eurhino and Hatz are gorgeous compared to the additions from rex to thal/kai.

[tranquil quartz]

Oh boy you should have seen general earlier people where saying it looked disgusting yet I dont see them saying anything about Kai

[candid walrus]

kai has proportion, may not look identical to the real life but it has good animations not a wrong posture or movement

[light osprey]

Erm

Kaiwhekea’s limb shape are definitely wonky, and the skull simply resembles no Plesiosaur

[ancient crystal]

They took arguably the ugliest plesiosaur and made it uglier

[woeful falcon]

Kai is garbage soup compared to Hatz

[bright veldt]

Kai only looks alright if you only know the broad strokes of what a plesiosaur looks like, which is most people tbf

Those flippers make me scream

[woeful falcon]

That's a very generous way of putting it lol

[bright veldt]

Kaiwhekea's butchered flipper anatomy and being lipped

Literally the only issue eurhino has tmk is that it has scales. It's significantly better overall.

[light osprey]

Even to your average Samaritan, the Kaiwhekea model has a certain skrunkly look

[woeful falcon]

On that same note, I reckon people who only know the broad strokes of what a plesiosaur looks like probably only know about as much about a Hatzegopteryx too

[scenic flame]

mhm, and even then the scales are small and smooth

[rose thorn]

Yea Hatz's model just suffers from being animated with seemingly little care, which is a shame

[light osprey]

Kaiwhekea just straight up has like Iguanian scales

[woeful falcon]

Iguanodon scales!

[tranquil quartz]

Hairy/Furry Leed is real

[scenic flame]

imo it's really just neck posture and poor weight painting on the arms

[white matrix]

pot should make aenocyon dirus

[scenic flame]

arms look fine when flying

[rose thorn]

Neck posture/flexibility, its wings flap like paper, and the gallop is more of an odd..hop

[light osprey]

Paper winged Pterosaurs is the official term for overly loose and thin Pterosaurs wings

[rose thorn]

The wings aren't too thin, they just move with too much fluidity, like a bird wing

[white matrix]

what pun can I make with this hmm

Why did the paper-winged Pterosaur become a comedian?

Because its jokes were so light, they practically flew over everyone's heads

[tranquil quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-standing-ovation-applause-gif-12978607

[surreal stone]

im working on a mod for that, as of yesterday evening lol

[white matrix]

Based

[clever sable]

The biggest issue is the neck

The model is still pretty good

It's not bad it's just a little funky looking, it's infinitely better than Kai and rex

[white matrix]

deinonychus minus the pounce

[rose thorn]

Ehhh just better than Kai, I wouldn't put Rex in that boat

[surreal stone]

thanks lol

[bright veldt]

Rex isn't terrible but I lump it in with the rest of the losers because PT rex makes it look like a complete joke.

[surreal stone]

dont forget about thal

[sudden wind]

The animations and rig is weird.
I think it only just need another rig with more stiff back, neck and better weight painting on the limbs

[clever sable]

Nah, hatz is definitely better than rex, the only issue I have with hatz is it's neck

[rose thorn]

This

[light osprey]

Waiter, more rigs please ☝️

[sudden wind]

The way it flaps also is weird.

Overall, it looks like it is made out of noodles.

[clever sable]

It's rig isn't that awful, like it's not great but I don't think it's atrocious either

[rose thorn]

Shouldn't be doing this

[sudden wind]

The animal is not stiff enough.

The torso also seem quite huge compared to the head.

[rose thorn]

That pretty much accounts for everything. Bro is underdone and raw

[sudden wind]

Yes.

[clever sable]

It's neck posture is weird but other than that I think it's pretty good

[light osprey]

Damn they really did lay it on thick with the S curve

[west coral]

arms look like spaghetti

[sudden wind]

They kind of ignored the animal's anatomy and biomechanic so.

[rose thorn]

Which is the most bothersome thing

[sudden wind]

It also is funny that it is less ground adept as Thalasso.

But that's more of an accurate gameplay, which is not necessarily aimed.

[dusky prairie]

How accurate is the new Hatz model on a scale of 1-10?
10 being perfect to modern day science.

[white matrix]

maybe a 7?

[rose thorn]

Ehhhh 8.9

[bright veldt]

The model itself is fine? People more have beef with the animation and posture.

[dusky prairie]

Ok so pretty good

[clever sable]

I personally don't really have an issue with how it's rig is, like the rig definitely could be better but it's not awful

[rose thorn]

Most everything wrong is a texture issue and the chest isn't deep enough. Otherwise it's great

[clever sable]

It's chest is fine

[dusky prairie]

I’m going to be honest the recent animation quality across the board. Eurhino and hatz, raptor pounce, they could all be much better imo.

[dusky prairie]

So the head should be bigger?

[ancient crystal]

My one issue with eurhino is that the strafing animations seem to be reversed

[sudden wind]

Given that Hatzegopteryx is an highly fragmentary animal that is poorly known? Well, the model seems fine as of the way we think how this animal might have looked like. Though it is missing some features like the Pteroid (idk why every pterosaur models in the game forget about it) as well as being possibly a bit undermuscled and lacking air sacs.

[rose thorn]

Ehhhhh

[clever sable]

Maybe? Hatz is really, really fragmentary, the majority of it's material was referred to it on dubious grounds, realistically it should just be azhdarchidae indet

[light osprey]

They did a fishing Hatzegopteryx?

[rose thorn]

No

[sudden wind]

No (though I am fine with wading Azhdarchids)

[bright veldt]

Hatz very much can kinda do....anything it wants. Terrestrial stalker? Aerial menace? Go ham. The only thing it sucks at is swimming.

[dusky prairie]

Yup me too

[white matrix]

❤️

[light osprey]

The Goat

[sudden wind]

Sassy once told me that Mistralazhdarcho might be the best reference to Hatzegopterys, but yet I haven't seen any studies suggesting them being closely related.

[rose thorn]

Might just be due to more robust cervicals, which may have been more widespread in azhdarchids

[light osprey]

Andres aligned it with “Azhdarchinae”

[sudden wind]

Maybe. This phylogeny here is from the Sinopterus revision.

[white matrix]

How possible is a crest like that on Hatz

[light osprey]

No Complete skull so do as you may. I suppose it would be pretty pneumatic so that it’s lil neck can support it

[rose thorn]

Possible. Witton said something about the back of Zhejiangopterus' skull having a wide base that could have potentially held a larger crest than what we like to normally use

Also plenty of other pterosaurs have massive head crests, it's just a more common practice to ommit them from azhdarchids that aren't Quetz

[sudden wind]

Who knows.

[light osprey]

Well said

This is the real juicy Pterosaur stuff

[white matrix]

i forgot, is this barbaridactylus?

[rose thorn]

Yes

[sudden wind]

Why was my gif deleted

[light osprey]

Sadge

[sudden wind]

I don't even get why lmfao
Gotta ping the mods @.moderator

[white matrix]

'fuck'.

[sudden wind]

'shit_yourself'

[white matrix]

so true

[light osprey]

Erm, crap

[scenic flame]

This kinds undersells how bad its swiming is, never get caught in water

You swim like an elderly pug

[ancient crystal]

I couldn't be happier about it

I'm so glad alderon proved my concerns about hatz wrong

[deft thicket]

I hate POT's Hatzegopteryx.

[obsidian cloak]

How do you like this pterosaur?

[white matrix]

Honestly I hated it at first, but the more think of it, it isn’t too bad

[bright veldt]

I don't mind it at all. I consider it a win. It's a bit wierd looking, but it's not bad.

[deft thicket]

Shouldn't he look like this? Arty By @LikesPterosaurs on X.

I would give it a 5/10 and that's just because of the quality of the model.

[supple copper]

The animations are the only thing that bugs me imo. Its hard to focus on whats moving when everything is so weirdly placed 😭

[deft thicket]

His proportions, neck, animations, quality of abilities and his subspiciesspecies

[tough parcel]

Likely closer to this (maybe a longer torso, unsure if this was before or after Quetz monograph)

[bright veldt]

Hatz is a bit thin for what we usually expect but it's not outright wrong.

[deft thicket]

Yeah

[clever sable]

Hatz isn't necessarily a bad model, it just looks kinda weird but I don't really mind overall

[slate walrus]

rather it be a little funky than just kinda bland

[deft thicket]

Something like this by Gabriel Ugueto.

[tranquil quartz]

What is the lore reason for rex being fat

[bright veldt]

?

[tough parcel]

Tbf 90% of fossils people think are Hatz are referred

[deft thicket]

The shape of his body is wrong, his limbs are too long, his shoulders are very broad. These are not minor cons, these are very noticeable details. But his neck is killing me ;(, just a goose neck.

[deft thicket]

Its low position gastralia.

He has a very deep torso, he's literally like a hippopotamus, he's not as thick as he is muscular, he just has a low torso.

[bright veldt]

Eh not quite. The low gastralia often seen in some skeletal mounts is wrong. Rex is just thicc af

[obsidian cloak]

everything except the QUALITY of the model is bad in it

[analog cliff]

I love a thicc rex

[white matrix]

Isn’t rex more muscle over thicc

[clever sable]

Me when the only material we know for a fact is hatz is the stuff circled in red

[deft thicket]

thicc cuz muscular

[deft thicket]

Other types of Azhdarchids....

[iron vale]

wow.

[heady thunder]

Thats bricc

[light osprey]

Self plug

[tough parcel]

Yea!

[light osprey]

People are only familiar with the largest specimens

[tough parcel]

Rex is not that fat lol

[light osprey]

That’s a pretty big pubic boot for a theropod

[bright veldt]

It kinda is when it's a solid 50% heavier than a tarbo of similar length

[scenic flame]

Fatty fat
Fat fat

[light osprey]

It’s a bit of a meme, but also not totally unfounded or anything

[deft thicket]

10-15 tons

[heady thunder]

Its not fat, its huge, like a dude with huge clavicles

[bright veldt]

10 tons is max lol

[deft thicket]

12?

[bright veldt]

Average rexes were 8 tons give or take

[light osprey]

7.8 tonne average teehee 🤭

[deft thicket]

7-9 I think

[light osprey]

I just gave the actual number

[white matrix]

rounding time baby

[bright veldt]

The only 9+ ton rexes are Sue, Scotty, and some fragmentary nobodies

[light osprey]

Rounding to 9 tonnes give or take

[white matrix]

[tranquil quartz]

Imagine being an apex predator dying and millions of years later be called a fragmentary nobody

#RexFeelingsMatter!

[chilly knot]

Its from America

[tranquil quartz]

valid

[bright veldt]

I think I'mma finally update the PoT size chart. I'm in the mood rn. Whether or not the mods will bother to correct it in the pins will be a mystery.

[empty glade]

wdym?

[bright veldt]

Look in pins

[empty glade]

Oh, I see
good luck lmao

[bright veldt]

For context, I made that. The mod just reposted it for pinning sake.

[bright veldt]

Why is lambeo so small

[bright veldt]

Barsboldia has also shrank. RIP.

[hallow spear]

Will you also correct the skeletal refs?

[bright veldt]

I plan to update all my silhouettes so yeah.

[hallow spear]

I can provide stegosaurus :)

What do you want it sized to

[bright veldt]

I already got yours I'm pretty sure

[hallow spear]

Nah that’s the old one, there have been many changes since

[sullen cairn]

how'd ya shrink bars

[hallow spear]

I concur

[bright veldt]

Because Lancian reconstructed it with better hadrosaur anatomy

[hallow spear]

Oh did he finish it

[bright veldt]

Not the chart itself tmk but bars itself yes

[white matrix]

sometimes I wonder what cenozioc ecosystem is like nemegt

[hallow spear]

ya the bars

[bright veldt]

10 meters instead of the 11 GAT put it

[white matrix]

probably linxia, though idk if it snowed

[sullen cairn]

tbf the stuff aligning bars with saurolophus isn't at all published yet

and most of the lost length seems to be in the tail

[lusty holly]

What sauropods are around 20 tons

[sullen cairn]

yeah seems more like it just has a shorter tail more than any meaningful downsize in mass

[light osprey]

This is redemption

[bright veldt]

Fair, I got 5 tons scaling from edmonto.

The most recent edmonto GDI gave me 4.5 tons but I'm doubting that unless barsboldia was exceptionally gracile for some reason.

[sullen cairn]

i got like 7t scaling it

[bright veldt]

How?

[light osprey]

I guarantee it has to do with pelvic similarities, which the original reappraisal already addressed

[sullen cairn]

its ~80% the length of a 13t edmonto

not including the tail because the tail is way shorter in lancian's bars

[lusty holly]

?

[woeful falcon]

a lot of them

[white matrix]

minority

[lusty holly]

Thats the limit for the game right

[sullen cairn]

actually it should probably be a bit larger because thats scaling with an edmonto with a proportionally longer skinny tail

[light osprey]

7.1 tonnes

[lusty holly]

What do you mean

[sullen cairn]

bars is 7t scaling with edmonto, but the edmonto has a proportionally longer tail, so bars should in theory be more robust overall for its length

fret not folks bars would seem to be fine

[lusty holly]

They are goin to remodel bars

[bright veldt]

I'll just roll with that then

[lusty holly]

I thought the current bars model was fine as it was

[woeful falcon]

nah, it's ancient

[lusty holly]

Whats wrong with it

[tulip dove]

The limit is 20 meters, not tons

[lusty holly]

Ooo yh 🤦🏽‍♀️

[lusty holly]

What dinosaurs would fit that

[woeful falcon]

model is very poor quality do to its age

[lusty holly]

Well i think there are other dinosaurs that are in much more deperate need of a remodel

[woeful falcon]

truthfully, I don't think any dinosaur that isn't a sauropod is longer than 20 meters

[bright veldt]

Ye

[sullen cairn]

giraffe

[lusty holly]

Diplodocus is a bit over that

[woeful falcon]

well, there are certainly others deserving. but bars is one too, it's among the oldest models

[sullen cairn]

also this is lancians vs gat's bars for those wondering (but one's transparent now)

[tulip dove]

Could probably either take Brontosaurus or Apatosaurus, downsize them a little and boom
Cuz aren't the smallest species of both genus just a little over 20 meters?

[bright veldt]

What length you get?

idk if I got it right or not

[tulip dove]

Or take Camarasaurus or Atlasaurus, get a macronarian in there

[lusty holly]

Well i think that is necessary personally as barsboldia eotriceratops etc are not strong enough to take on any pair of apexes

[lusty holly]

We have a mod of camara and i think the sauropod needs to be one of the ones with the lowe neck so we can get easier headshots

[sullen cairn]

~10.35m standing

[bright veldt]

ok

[tulip dove]

Honestly, a mod doesn't stop an official playable from existing
And tbf, Camarasaurus basically fits perfectly, since it's a little under 20 meters iirc? Or how long was it

[sullen cairn]

i can't believe i'm helping preserve a big hadrosaur's mass rn
what has the world come to

[lusty holly]

O yes your right it doesnt stop it from happening but i think everyone would like so@ething differnet

[sullen cairn]

since we're talking hadrosaurs as well enjoy Angulomastacator and Adelolophus headswaps from olaf and fadeno

[west coral]

rip giant angulomastacator whenever it was conjured up - 2023

[brisk quiver]

I feel like spino is the largest carnivore dinosaur

[bright veldt]

Mapu, Giga, and Rex say hi

[lean egret]

So from what I’ve seen Hatz is mostly fine except for stuff like the posture and animations?

[bright veldt]

The model itself is fine enough, The posture and animations are...yeah

[lean egret]

From me testing it out it just felt idk… overanimated? Like it was too wobbly in a way I can’t really explain, also sounds felt a bit underwhelming and weak in a way

Also am I the only one who noticed Eurhinosaurus species is katiki in the game? It doesn’t use any real species

[bright veldt]

It being katiki might be an error actually? katiki is Kai's real world species name.

Especially weird when Eurhinosaurus has exactly 3 real world species.

Thalassodromeus is also missing T. oberlii

Anodontosaurus is missing A. inceptus

[stiff osprey]

T.oberlii is invalid iirc

[bright veldt]

Did it get lumped into sethi in a paper I didnt notice?

[stiff osprey]

the reverse actually

ah

it was its own genus until 2018, but a paper that year put it inside thalassodromeus

I'm thinking of some other Thalasso that turned out to not even be pterosaur remains

[west coral]

Which one is that

[bright veldt]

Ok so T. oberlii is still a thing. I knew about Banguela getting lumped into Thalasso. Just thought it being invalidated as new.

[stiff osprey]

Thalassodromeus sebesensis, a turtle

[light osprey]

Oh it’s actually 10 metres again?

[lean egret]

It’s such a stupid thing yet it ticks me off lol.

[light osprey]

We’ve deferred to classic Barsboldia size

[lean egret]

Same with Pycnos subs, for some reason the most accurate one isn’t the main sub

[lean egret]

How the hell did the devs make Barsboldia look nothing like it’s relatives? Atleast it will get a remake

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that given the extremely poor resources they had to work with, I'm not surprised that Bars looks how it does

[light osprey]

It’s only now that a few lovely folks at Apple and Lancian took a swing that we’ve managed to get a good rendition

[lean egret]

I mean yeah it’s literally just like a spine, but we can look at it’s relatives

[bright veldt]

THIS was the best resource for reconstructing Barsboldia back in 2019

[west coral]

And that’s exactly what it’s based off of

[lean egret]

That makes it even more annoying and confusing lol, it has 3 real species yet none of them are in the game???

[stiff osprey]

Can't wait for Bars to become Saurolophus again and all the references to need to be updated

[bright veldt]

It feels like an accidental oversight cause no other critter in the game does this

[west coral]

Again??

[woeful falcon]

a weird oversight, but one easily corrected at the very least for the type species. simple text change

[lean egret]

Another nitpick I have with the species is Pycno, bald one should have been the main species and there should have been one Carno inspired one and one Majunga inspired one rather than two Carnos for some reason…

[woeful falcon]

you lose me at majunga inspired but I agree about the hornless one being the main one

[bright veldt]

Oh yeah no thats not a nitpick at all.

[west coral]

Have an abelisaurus inspired subspecies

[bright veldt]

Pycno is being represented as something it isn't. Two carno subs is absurd, and what's meant to be the actual one having the carno look is insulting.

[lean egret]

Why? I think it would be cool to have a single horn sub along with the two horn sub

[west coral]

Pycnonemosaurus isn’t anywhere near Majungasaurus phylogeny wise, majungasaurines and the rest of Abelisauria split off

[light osprey]

Majungasaurines when Pycnonemosaurus isn’t one of them

[woeful falcon]

because it's a different subfamily. it'd be like if Tyrannosaurus had a bataar sub made to look like an Albertosaurus.

I say that because that's what we have.

[bright veldt]

I'd be down with a sub having a more exaggerated majunga look. Like a unicorn.

[nocturne cairn]

Would probably just end up leaving a flat circle of horn texture on the two other subs, at least between a pycno and carno sub it kind of looks alright on a hornless sub

[woeful falcon]

I can't get behind that. not when it could use a llukalkan sub

[bright veldt]

Meh, judge me if you must but brachyrostra is bland af once you go outside carno. We don't need two hornless fellas.

[jagged trellis]

llu could work but also its majunga, the funny

[lean egret]

Scanova what do you think of the Allo?

[bright veldt]

especially when you can just argue for the current hornless sub becoming this for the "accurate" form

[woeful falcon]

breaking news: very few abelisaurs have horns. more at 11

we didn't need two horned fellas either for that matter.

[jagged trellis]

( both are better than double budget carnos period)

[lean egret]

And what are it’s inaccuracies because it looks kinda off

[bright veldt]

Way too massive but fine otherwise.

[nocturne cairn]

Most subs look pretty similar besides shape difference, pycno doesn't have to have 3 wildly different subs. You can have the current hornless sub and one w/ a head shaped more like llukalkan and it'd still look in line w/ other dinos subs

[bright veldt]

Allo and Daspleto really need their sizes switched.

[light osprey]

The man PoT wishes Pycnonemosaurus could be

[woeful falcon]

way I see it, you have a llukalkan based one as the main sub, have current hornless as one and carno sub as the other

either carno based sub we currently have could do that job

[bright veldt]

That works

[white matrix]

GYATT (that tail is thicc)

[lean egret]

Damn I guess PoTs main flaw with their designs is that they’re just… plain? boring? idk

[woeful falcon]

were you expecting him to be critical of the allo or something

[light osprey]

Carnotaurus is packing no doubt

[white matrix]

Torvo got a thick tail too wtf

[jagged trellis]

some try to be special and end up taking away what was special for that animal( and also forgetting good for some) and others are this...but with a different name, fair few have alright-excellent models but a few are....not good

[west coral]

have an abelisaurus based sub, brick headed abelisaur funny

[light osprey]

Jurassic rizz

[woeful falcon]

lucky for you, llukalkan could do that job. it's a brickhead

[white matrix]

sticking out your gyatt for the rizzler

[light osprey]

A Theropod of all time

[white matrix]

hey pug, as you are here, any Serengeti stuff

[west coral]

may god help us

[lean egret]

yes lol

[light osprey]

New paper artwork 💯

[west coral]

definitely ||(i might have forgotten about it)||

[white matrix]

😔

[woeful falcon]

I gotchu

lipless ruins the jimmadseni sub which was otherwise perfect. I would like them to do away with lipless subs in general

they don't even consistently use liplessness

[light osprey]

Lipless Dinosaurs are just a bit uncanny now

[white matrix]

Pachycephlasaurus cosplaying megalania:

[bright veldt]

The devs refusing to do even quills on a das sub cause "science doesn't support it" (they have lipless dinosaurs)

[west coral]

send me a list of Serengeti fauna and I will have it done in no time

[light osprey]

all of them? 😈

[white matrix]

@light osprey

[woeful falcon]

glad to see you're still on "give das a quilled sub or something" train

[west coral]

yes

[woeful falcon]

Das horneri is one of the innacurate subs that bothers me most just because the subs notable features go in the opposite direction of actual das horneri

I've came to the defense of liplessness before on it, just because of its description. But now I look at it and just think "man, that does not look good"

[white matrix]

jack Horner does great wonders

[light osprey]

That’s actually gonna help difficult give me a bit

[white matrix]

You should see how lipless dinosaurs look like nerd emojis

[sullen cairn]

I miss a pycno discussion for a pycno discussion in another server
A soul for a soul

[white matrix]

Duplicate yourself ez

[west coral]

see, this is why I have no progress on Serengeti, no knowledge about mammals besides elephant, elasmotheriinae and brontotheres ||and also the fact that there’s no definitive list of Serengeti fauna||

[white matrix]

Let Chonk cook 😤

[white matrix]

literally this. I can't take them seriously

[light osprey]

Would you consider the Okapi a component of the fauna?

[west coral]

Id say it’s a little off

[light osprey]

Does that include its historical range?

[west coral]

All I’m finding is that it lives in the DRC

[scenic flame]

[sullen cairn]

Brachyrostra is an obscenely large polytomy half the time that has been forever tarnished since skorpiovenator left ilokelesia+ekrixinatosaurus and early cretaceous/general stuff from Europe/Africa/Madagascar/India started trying to crawl in

Abelisauridae is inflated with way too many crap taxa and too many functionally worthless clades for how disgustingly unresolved everything is

[west coral]

madagascan brachyrostran??

[woeful falcon]

So ur saying pycno should get a majunga sub

[sullen cairn]

Like of the half dozen clades within Abelisauridae the only one that actually makes any sense consistently is majungasaurinae and even then sometimes abelisaurus ends up there for some reason

[scenic flame]

specifically one modelled after the entire modern region of Mahajunga

[sullen cairn]

Dahalokely/rahiolisaurus sometimes get resolved there

The two like following each other around

[compact leaf]

does it fall apart as often as somphospondyli?

[bright veldt]

pff

[sullen cairn]

Most stable ceratosaurian resolution

[scenic flame]

i hayr iy

[compact leaf]

I’ve been sifting through titanosauriform phylogenies this week and the titanosaurs are a mess, but somphospondyli is in a different league

[scenic flame]

arugh, rage

[tribal sandal]

We still want a channel that is easy to read and is functional for other users so please keep the gif usage to a minimum. Thank you!

You can post it in #pot-memes , But please avoid spamming it in every chat 🐦

[compact leaf]

the latest one moved padillasaurus again and it fell apart at the seams

[light osprey]

Wow that’s a Beauty

[bright veldt]

Ok one I need help with @sullen cairn Achillobator. Everywhere I look Achillo has basically the exact same dimensions as utah but it's significantly lighter? Why?

[sullen cairn]

The femur’s like um
Shorter
Ngl I forgot how much shorter

50cm?

Just use bricks skeletal

[light osprey]

Serengeti National Park Fauna so far (idk who to @)

Blue Wildebeest
African Buffalo
Common Impala
Waterbuck
Topi
Kongoni
Dik-dik
Thompson’s Gazelle
Common Warthog
Olive Baboon
Vervet Monkey
Common Eland
Giant Eland
Southern Ground Hornbill
Kori Bustard
White Backed Vulture
Black Chested Snake Eagle
Common Dwarf Mongoose
African Harrier Hawk
Peregrine Falcon
Cape Bushbuck
African Leopard
African Lion
Southeast African Cheetah
African Wild Dog
African Bush Elephant
Masai Giraffe
Black Rhinoceros
Hippopotamus
Nile Crocodile
Secretary Bird
Masai Ostrich
Honey Badger
Plains Zebra
Striped Hyena
Spotted Hyena
Aardwolf
Aardvark
Greater Kudu
Ground Pangolin
Tawny Eagle
Bateleur Eagle
Lesser Flamingo
Marabou Stork
East African Crowned Crane

[sullen cairn]

Bricks is like 4.6mish

[nocturne cairn]

Achillo has a lighter build from Utah afaik, similar but not as extreme as Utah was

[white matrix]

@west coral silly goose

[bright veldt]

Ok I found it. Is there anywhere it can actually be found properly or is it just an image being passed around?

[sullen cairn]

The femoral length is prolly on theropod database or something

[bright veldt]

I just mean Brick's skeletal.

[bright veldt]

Ahhhh ok. Virtually nothing came up in Theropoda so I got confused. It doesn't come up on google either.

[sullen cairn]

I’d scale it myself but I don’t have my computer with me rn

[light osprey]

Where does Achillobator clade

[bright veldt]

It's consistently been sister to utahraptor

[pearl briar]

how accurate and inaccurate is pot hatz?

[bright veldt]

Model's pretty good. Posture and animations are kinda janky.

[jagged trellis]

good model, bad posture if i recall, yeah

[light osprey]

Dromaeosaurinae in Asia

[white matrix]

Asian dakotaraptor

[bright veldt]

reeee

[iron vale]

Oh like the neck?

[bright veldt]

The neck and wings when landed are very bendy and flimsy ye

[iron vale]

Ah

[jagged trellis]

it has a....wavy posture ingame, so uhh not good

[iron vale]

Oh I see, poor hatz must have neck pain

[pearl briar]

they should be more like this (ignore the male crest)

[white matrix]

From what I’m hearing the crest isn’t impossible

[iron vale]

So “stiffer” neck, like a giraffe.

[iron vale]

Why?

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/kkekekekekkeke-kk-gif-27232250

[white matrix]

No complete skull so it’s joever

[iron vale]

Can’t look at PoT hatz the same anymore

[west coral]

time to get to work

[iron vale]

It’s partially headless!

[scenic flame]

if you altered the posture of PoT hatze it'd look very similar to this

[light osprey]

I found all the big heavy hitters, I think this should be relatively complete list

[iron vale]

What’s this for?

[light osprey]

In case anyone has a burning curiosity as to the specific species of animals that live in the Serengeti National Park

[iron vale]

Nice

Now do the Amazon rainforest

[white matrix]

That place give a lot of spider vibes

[iron vale]

Im sure my house does too

[west coral]

dimensions . com being really useful right now

[bright veldt]

My next biggest challenge: There's no feathered reconstruction of achillobator with Brick's porportions

[iron vale]

Oh, no honey guide?

[white matrix]

true

[west coral]

Solution:

go bald

[bright veldt]

No

[white matrix]

reverse psychology is really needed rn

[west coral]

I have also come across a challenge: what the hell is a topi

[iron vale]

It’s bald and there’s never gonna be evidence to prove otherwise

[bright veldt]

A topi is one of my favorite savannah antelope next to the sable I will not hear heresy about it

[iron vale]

Im guessing an antelope looking thing

[bright veldt]

It looks alot like Hartebeest, which themselves are close to wildebeest afaik

[white matrix]

Rusingoryx really was properly hadrosaur convergent

[iron vale]

So, looked like a hadrosaur but wasn’t one?

[bright veldt]

Ok, I found a reconstruction of feathered achillo with brick's porportions. Beasts of the Mesozoic of all places

[light osprey]

What a goose

[white matrix]

nah just similar resonating chambers

[iron vale]

Ohhh

[light osprey]

Hadrosaur sounds got me wanting to watch some PhP now

[iron vale]

Prehistoric Planet I’m guessing

I need to finish s2 sometime

[west coral]

I forget how absolutely tiny a dikdik is

[iron vale]

Very tiny

[white matrix]

Reeee

[iron vale]

For a second I thought it had 4 eyes

[white matrix]

Dikdik are officially my favorite antelope, so cute

[light osprey]

He’s just a lil guy 🥹

[iron vale]

Do honey guides not live on the Serengeti?

[light osprey]

They do

[iron vale]

Ah ok, that’s what I thought

[light osprey]

But erm, we like mesofauna-megafauna here 😎

[candid walrus]

Nice model, good animations for flying and calls, bad posture, not hard to fix

[iron vale]

But erm you added a dikdik

[white matrix]

Honestly I have yet to find the mammlian equivalent of abelisaurs

[light osprey]

Big enough (not really)

[white matrix]

He’s such a fella I can’t reeeee

[sullen cairn]

Beans and sadness

[iron vale]

Oh, weaver birds too right?

[light osprey]

Tbh, what even is the ecology of Abelisaurs. I do not know

[iron vale]

What would that look like, something with tiny arms?..

[white matrix]

muscular necks or smth I forgor

@sullen cairn help

[iron vale]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

[sullen cairn]

Majungasaurus probably hunted with a suffocating type bite and brachyrostrans invested in caudal musculature
That’s bout all we can say for certain plus prolly some lil extra things I’m forgetting

[bright veldt]

Basically, think big cats but invested all in the neck and face. One good bite and then wrestling them down or exhausting them.

[iron vale]

Well, uh Jaguars bite the back of their prey’s skulls if that counts

[sullen cairn]

And they can be like (2?)3-11m in length

Kinda hard to treat the whole clade as a monolith

[light osprey]

Carnotaurus of course being so damn complete should be very straightforward to understand

[bright veldt]

Jaguars are a bit unique in that regard, and might have to do with the fact that the prey they hunt is comparatively small compared to other big cats. Many other large cats will bite the head on smaller prey.

[sullen cairn]

Oh right and at least some were at least somewhat gregarious

[light osprey]

They seem like that type, especially the leggy ones to my intuition

[bright veldt]

We have an abelisaur group trackway from Candeleros I think?

[white matrix]

We know it’s horns shot out of its head like missiles 💯

[sullen cairn]

Bingo

[light osprey]

Then again, lots and lots of Predators are gregarious

[iron vale]

True

[bright veldt]

Although saying that, afaik there is a method to the skull crunch (canine teeth in specific areas on each side of the skull). So if you're wondering why prey isn't 1-shot as soon as they get grabbed that's why.

[white matrix]

man canid phylogeny is weird

[light osprey]

Ooh yippy TK is on to Canids now this will be fun

[iron vale]

Ooh canids

[white matrix]

nah I was reading a discussion in mammalia and told myself “tf is going on here”

A. dirus seems to be really problematic in this case

[light osprey]

Jesus this taxon is problematic

[white matrix]

Here’s something someone said which makes it so weird “Future genetic research will probably change the organisation of Canina, but as of rn it looks like Aenocyon - and perhaps, by extension, most native NA caninans from the Pleistocene - were part of an early offshoot of Canina that ventured into the Americas and became reproductively isolated”

[light osprey]

Oh that’s weird

[iron vale]

What part of it’s weird?

[white matrix]

because we struggle to find out with what’s going on with Pleistocene canines

[iron vale]

Oh

[bright veldt]

That is quite unique, and you can kinda see it in the phylogeny

Cause just saying aenocyon comes from a native lineage, at face value that makes me think it's related to the south american radiation, if more basal, but that is completely wrong.

[white matrix]

Ye

[bright veldt]

All of its known relatives that aren't outright sister taxa (Edward's Wolf) are all old-world despite those guys not coming to the continent till very recently.

[white matrix]

Or just never left the americas, if that’s where they originated

[bright veldt]

What's the best suchomimus skeletal? I've seen like 3 different ones this year.

[sullen cairn]

Dan’s

[bright veldt]

Cheers

[woeful falcon]

Be sure to get his most up to date one bc there's like 3 of those also lol

[sullen cairn]

Me when minor difference in skeletal that won’t even be visible in silhouette

[white matrix]

I wonder how many giga skeletals Dan has

[woeful falcon]

Pfff uhhh I'mma guess 4

There's also Dan's metriacanthosaurus.

[white matrix]

What about it

[woeful falcon]

Eventually Scan's gonna need it for the chart

[light osprey]

It gets slightly modified to represent 100000 Metriacanthosaurids

[white matrix]

Lmfao

[bright veldt]

Alright got it don't fret

[woeful falcon]

Noice

[scenic flame]

might be a good idea to list out all the creature you're not sure about so people can dump stuff here in the mean time

[bright veldt]

What do you mean?

[sullen cairn]

Someone who’s not me ping stego to ask if blame’s lateral is actually good for Mira

[woeful falcon]

No

[white matrix]

@sullen cairn can you scale this borophagus with titanis? scale bar is a m

[west coral]

little guy

[sullen cairn]

I don’t have my computer on me rn

[white matrix]

😔

[light osprey]

Use your imagination to see how they scale next to each other

[white matrix]

my imagination isn’t the greatest

[scenic flame]

let us know what creatures you need help getting skeletals for

[west coral]

you don’t need to imagine anymore

[white matrix]

@hallow spear

[sullen cairn]

I had skeletals for everything scaled but they got murdered when quad bary nuked all my stuff

[white matrix]

Ty

[analog cliff]

Would hatz really be able to fly away with an adult conc theoretically

[bright veldt]

No. Concavenator is nearly double it's weight.

[jagged trellis]

no

[bright veldt]

I'm sry TF2 demoman becoming a point of reference on skeletals is one of the funniest things I've seen recently

[west coral]

I am the proud starter of that trend 💪

[bright veldt]

It's the chaotic sequel to the anime girls I love it

[west coral]

He’s a little tall though at around 6’1”

[scenic flame]

demo is my most played class

[bright veldt]

Back in my TF2 phase demo was my top pick aside from engi

(I say this like I haven't gotten back in a bit of a TF2 phase, I spent $200 on tf2 items today lmao)

[scenic flame]

143 hours on demo, 102 on soldier, 87 on engie, the only classes I don't like much are scout, sniper and until recently spy, gun only spy is fun

Gryposaurus is a very interesting hadrosaur I only brought this up to not get slapped on the wrist for tf2 talk

[west coral]

shame there isnt just singular skeletals of individuals

[scenic flame]

ping fadeno

[bright veldt]

Ok, my next big gripe. Camptosaurus. I've tried looking up what other people are saying for reference.

Like, how many camptosaurus specimens do we have? From what I understand most are in the 5 meter range but then there's this one 7-8 meter individual for some reason.

[scenic flame]

just use Mutta

dont

[west coral]

WAY too lean

[scenic flame]

should be more like squidward in that one episode

[west coral]

Just use dead ringer, obv

[woeful falcon]

The giant one is a giant

[west coral]

Tis giant yes

[bright veldt]

I'm trying to learn more about it. Like is it super fragmentary or actually decent remains?

[sullen cairn]

Ian’s skeletal should be fine

Unless you’re looking for average or something then idk

[bright veldt]

I'm just trying to learn about it more.

[sullen cairn]

Most of its prolly in century old papers then lmao

[bright veldt]

Like what are its remains? The most I'm getting is some vertebrae.

[sullen cairn]

I think we were looking through one here for appendicular measurements a couple months ago

Here

Might have some stuff of note

[west coral]

that was a throwback, I just found my first size chart

[white matrix]

Memory Monday

[west coral]

the thousand antelope curse

[white matrix]

Yes yes yes @light osprey

[light osprey]

We’re cooking🔥

[bright veldt]

Is there a link to the giant campto image? I don't mean the image itself. I just mean if it's anywhere online outside of just a random image being shared around.

[sullen cairn]

https://www.deviantart.com/ijreid/art/Bent-backed-reptile-887911638

[bright veldt]

So nowhere. Got it.

[sullen cairn]

.

[scenic flame]

oh yeah I was just memeing

[bright veldt]

Sorry lol

[sullen cairn]

Ian’s stuff is deceptively difficult to find online

[bright veldt]

We live in a world where kentro is smaller than campto this don't feel right.

[sullen cairn]

The wonders of having to use max size for everything because averages are borderline impossible

[west coral]

rip to actual megafauna being replaced by big bovid #33

[white matrix]

told you that’s part of the fun

[stiff osprey]

There are so many bovids it's insane

Saw a book the other day about bovids of the world, just talking basic details about each one like size, habitat, diet, etc

The book was five hundred seventy pages

[west coral]

I present, the serengeti!

[white matrix]

Wooo

What rhinocertoid is that?

[west coral]

I now fear three things after making this chart:

• bovids
• the fact that nobody knows what the hell an eland is even though it’s nearly the size of a rhinoceros
• vervet monkeys

[west coral]

Black rhinoceros

[white matrix]

second horn is equal size to the first one lol?

wtf

[white matrix]

@tribal sandal

[bright veldt]

Big 2nd horns do happen, if rare

[west coral]

Does happen sometimes tho

[white matrix]

Interesting, never knew tbh

[bright veldt]

Well, I say rare. It's probably normal and will be more obvious if they ever get to "not on the brink of extinction 24/7" lol

[tribal sandal]

Please be appropriate in this server. It is important to remember that we have community members as young as 13 on our Discord. Refer to our ⁠ #rules for more information.

[white matrix]

Elands are underrated but considering the amount of bovids in the Serengeti, you can miss it

[west coral]

Yeah they tend to be overshadowed by the more famous bovids like buffaloes and wildebeest

What was the question?

[bright veldt]

What you use for your size charts? I originally used adobe illustrator but I don't have it on my PC anymore.

[west coral]

Pixlr, it’s simple and once you get the hang of it it’s easy to make tons of them

[bright veldt]

Cheers

[white matrix]

You asked it in modding instead of paleo chat, probably why you thought it was deleted

[bright veldt]

Oh im an idiot.

What about you? @sullen cairn Im weighing my options.

[white matrix]

He also uses pixlr

[bright veldt]

gotcha

[sullen cairn]

Man I should like ask pixlr to pay me for all the free advertising I give ‘em

[bright veldt]

pff

[sullen cairn]

Warning though this might just be my mac being crap but sometimes just wipes all your stuff

Although this would only seem to happen when one commits cardinal sins like quad baryonyx

That and I didn’t actually make an account until after said baryonyx incident

[west coral]

then it’s not the mac, it’s just you creating abominations that would call for an eleventh commandment to be made just to tell you to stop it

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[west coral]

If it was quad Theri or Deinoch that would be acceptable, but quad bary is a terrible sin

[white matrix]

Well technically theri was quad…

[west coral]

not like a turtle, make it look like a macropod

[white matrix]

???

[tight viper]

Pardon me

[light osprey]

Pardoned you are

[west coral]

the hell happened

[white matrix]

They posted some pot chat stuff, but it seemed to have been accidental

[rose thorn]

TFW the 2000lb antelope can jump 8 feet in the air

[white matrix]

Real

[rose thorn]

Real

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

how can a 1 ton animal jump, let alone jump 8 FEET

[jagged trellis]

because it can

[white matrix]

That is a high jump

[west coral]

• 1T Bovid
• taller than a black rhinoceros
• can jump 8ft

How hasn’t anybody heard of this thing before?

[white matrix]

strong hind limb muscles

It’s all those legs

[west coral]

never skipped leg day

[compact leaf]

eland are absolutely nuts

[bright veldt]

Yeah I need get illustrator back. I can't go back to the old image detail. It feels so crusty.

[frosty anvil]

So wait. Are they bovids or are they antelope?

[woeful falcon]

That's just it, antelopes are bovids

[frosty anvil]

What.

Oh yea right im getting my bovid terms mixed up again

Bovini are bovinae which are bovidae, and ovibovini are bovidae but not bovini or bovinae (according to a buddy of mine)

Why they gotta make these terms so similar

[tiny holly]

at the end of the day, everything is cows

[iron vale]

Yall, I had a dream and in it Tapejara was real and now I remember the dream and feel really disappointed it wasnt real.

[white matrix]

i can imagine hatzeg diving and grabbing smol creatures and dropping them to kill them

[lean stream]

I have a theory, what if all different dinosaur genus, are actually just the same exact thing. Like there is no pycno, they’re all just Carno, but some just look different, built different, and bigger, from the environment they lived in.

[tough parcel]

Trug…

[lunar copper]

I also had a dream

[wispy summit]

Same

[light osprey]

They are all the same animal, except they are different

[lean egret]

it would probably just swallow them whole lmao

[sudden wind]

Too much antelopes and bovids!!! They cannot coexist the ecosystem does not allow it

[compact leaf]

morrison sauropods in a nutshell

[sudden wind]

Both have some issues like the wing position as they fly : in order to balance with their COG they'd need the tip of their wings further to the front. They also both lack the pteroid bone, which is a feature seen in all Pterodactyloids. Surprisingly, POT devs succeed in the hand posture of their Hatzegopteryx. The torso may be too wide and not triangular enough but overall the model is good. The issues really are the rig and animations.

THEY TOOK THIS FROM US

[deft thicket]

like this?

[sudden wind]

yes.

[deft thicket]

You are right, the not very correct pose of the wing is especially noticeable both during flight and while standing on the ground. The membrane between the knee and forelimb seems to be very tight in both.

[sudden wind]

I mean, the membrane would have been quite tight in life condition. It had muscle fibers like in bats that helped to fold it so it could possibly less restrict land mobility (that goes for overall pterosaurs).

Though something that a lot of people forget is that Pterosaurs had massive air sacs on the front part of their bodies.

[deft thicket]

I understand, I just noticed that in models in POT, the membrane simply looks more tight, which looks like the front and rear limbs are almost immobilely sewn together. But this is rather the quality of the model, because it is quite difficult to make a model this way.

here

[white matrix]

Pterosaurs just have really weird proportions all around. They're like horses in that you only notice how weird they are when you go to draw or model one

[cloud dagger]

Horses aren’t that weird lol

[white matrix]

Horses are extremely weird

[west coral]

How so?

[white matrix]

Mainly in the arm area as that diagram shows

[stiff osprey]

They are also weird internally

Domestic horses can twist their own guts randomly while running and die

[compact leaf]

they have a giant colon too

[light osprey]

Bring back Hippidion

[white matrix]

Not only internally, they have such large torsos resting on comparatively skinny legs

Horses are my natural enemy as an artist lol

[stiff osprey]

Someone on tumblr made a list of everything wrong with horses and it was very long

[white matrix]

I think I found it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/drferox.tumblr.com/post/160199912013/hi-doc-love-reading-your-blog-i-found-you-first/amp

[light osprey]

Does this extend to ”Hippotigris”

[stiff osprey]

Lmao "they can get hoof fall off disease from eating a bit too well"

[white matrix]

You know I used to think we had it pretty rough when it came to body structure but nah horses have it worse

Makes me wonder what health problems Pterosaurs had cause from what I've seen of most reconstructions they seem to be mostly lungs in the torso area

[stiff osprey]

wild equids lack most of these issues, so it's our fault in the end

[white matrix]

That doesn't surprise me unfortunately

[west coral]

I never knew they couldn’t vomit, weird stuff

[calm agate]

I do like that one of the issues is 'Horses kick hard', something that in wild equids would not be considered an issue

[white matrix]

Rats don't have a gag reflex

Which puts this scene in Ratatouille into a whole new hilarious light when you think about it

Imagine being so bad at cooking that you make something that physically cannot gag, gag

I bet if two Quetzes crashed into each other irl they'd be outta commission

[light osprey]

Tbf, how often would they be flying into each other

[west coral]

I don’t think that would happen

[light osprey]

I can’t think of any instances of Albatross slamming into each other while flying

But Stellar’s Sea Eagle kind of does a thing

[white matrix]

Never said it would happen just what if it did

And honestly let's be honest every animal has its moments of "Whoopsies"

[west coral]

Is that a stellar sea eagle?

[white matrix]

It's been a while so correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a courtship ritual?

[light osprey]

Idk

[white matrix]

I know there's a bird of prey that does a free fall talon holding thing as courtship

[west coral]

Those are bald eagles

[white matrix]

#français

[white matrix]

Yeah that's it

[light osprey]

They in luv

[white matrix]

The rizzler strikes again

[west coral]

careless whisper plays in the background

[white matrix]

Y'all ever love someone so much you skydive with them

[light osprey]

I could see Avisaurids doing something similar

[west coral]

That’s an interesting thought

[light osprey]

If only we had cranial material for them

[white matrix]

You know who the true romantics are in the animal kingdom?

Deepsea anglerfish

[west coral]

oh god

[light osprey]

I can see it

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-sea-fish-gif-5623536

I mean how could you resist this?

[light osprey]

a looker no doubt

[cloud dagger]

I have drawn horses almost my whole life so can’t relate hah

[frail robin]

Kinda hard for a giraffe sized animal with a wingspan comparable to that of a small plane to manage to crash into another one of its kind

[white matrix]

Like I said, if

[analog tendon]

Hey paleo chat I have kind of a silly question;
I notice that the feet of pterosaur type critters kind of look like the feet of bats. Is there any reason we don’t think they may have also hung upside-down? Is it just a matter of them being too big or??

To clarify I’m not suggesting bats and pterosaurs are at all related just wondering if it could have been a convergent evolution situation

Ty to whoever reminded my pteros aren’t dinos lol

[lilac vale]

Sorry lol

[analog tendon]

Why are you sorry?

You are being helpful : )

[lilac vale]

It was smartassy of me

[slate walrus]

The biggest thing is that there’s just no conceivable reason to hang when you’re the dominant flying vertebrate group

[little mauve]

It was a common paleo-art trope way back in the day but there's no real reason to think pterosaurs hung upside-down. The feet aren't all that similar, bat feet are pretty specialized when it comes to hanging. Of course it's possible there's some species of pterosaur we haven't found that evolved convergently to bats wrt hanging but there's currently no evidence for it

[compact leaf]

pterosaur feet are honestly more similar to human feet than anything else, not very grippy and very plantigrade

[slate walrus]

Pterosaur feet are good at that thing that pterosaurs are notable for among other flying vertebrates; being able to run pretty fast while not harming how well they fly

[analog tendon]

Oh ok cool! Thanks y’all like I said it was a kinda silly idea but I appreciate you guys sharing what you know

[bright veldt]

Bat feet are very specialized for the upside down thing. Pterosaurs are not.

[rose thorn]

If I could see any pterosaur group could be believably portrayed like bats in that regard, it would be anurognathids

[frail robin]

Most pterosaurs in general had feet very much like us. They were plantigrades, which means that they walked on their soles. However, in most species their toes were far too small to grapple around a branch and hold on to it. However, a group of nocturnal, insect hunting pterosaurs known as "Anurognathids" may have clung to branges using both its hands and feet

[idle talon]

I just heard someone describe a tyrannosaurus biting into a herbivore as “the ending of Django unchained but all at once”

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-what-that-means-i-have-no-clue-what-youre-talking-about-clueless-huh-what-gif-17107312

[ancient crystal]

I love that

[analog tendon]

Thank you!! They sound so silly

[clever sable]

A lot of blood, like a lot a lot of blood

[sudden wind]

Horses do not breath as they gallop.

I call that pretty weird given for how long they can do it.

[woeful falcon]

that goes in my list of things I didn't know about horses

[hallow spear]

I don’t breath when I gallop

[clever sable]

They are one of the only animals to sweat and their sweat is foamy and white

[light osprey]

Just like me

[west coral]

confirmed chonk is an undercover horse

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus has a 10.27kN bite force scaling with sakamoto

which seems really damn high

only a bit lower than an 11.2kN DINO-sized allosaurus

which also makes the largest ceratosaurus skull's bite force ~40% higher than a small fragilis

[west coral]

lion and hyaena of the jurassic i guess

[cloud dagger]

I’ve been around horses for 24 years so nothing in them seem weird to me anymore lol anyway off with off topic

[tough parcel]

The powerful hadrosaur would easily overwhelm its theropod predator...

[light osprey]

How do you know Ajnabia ever ran into this Abelisaur

[tough parcel]

They're both African and same time period or something

[light osprey]

Real

[elfin pulsar]

I want one

[light osprey]

Imagine if tiny Hadrosaurs like these were everywhere, but they suck at fossilising

[white matrix]

tiny hell creek hadrosaur

[west coral]

damn who is that handsome abelisaur? Titanovenator?

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-heavy-tf2-uncertain-gif-19368937

[west coral]

Is this randoms next great masterpiece??

[light osprey]

Pretty sure it’s Franoy’s?

[west coral]

I don’t know, looks like randoms art

[sullen cairn]

i like that when random sends me the thing he explicitly tells me he doesn't know if it should be public or not and then we have this

[tough parcel]

[white matrix]

Cretaceous chevrotains

[sullen cairn]

it was fine on koi so its fine on pot server 👍
problem solved

[tough parcel]

True!

[tough parcel]

Eh, if Spinosaurus can travel the seas and Tyrannosaurus can range from Mongolia to the USA, I don't see why this isn't possible

[sullen cairn]

i explicitly recall the last african abelisaur paper mentioning that kenya doesn't have hadrosaurids

[light osprey]

I’d die to have a HC dwarf Hadrosaur

On the topic of biogeography, it’s possible they interacted, but equally possible Ajnabia just had a limited range

[tough parcel]

What does this matter because the Titanovenator will walk to Morocco with its powerful legs

[bright veldt]

Late Cretaceous mainland Africa is...a bit of a mystery in general

Abelisaurs are pretty confirmed but everything else is murky. The morrocan hadrosaurs are likely descended/migrants of European species afaik.

[woeful falcon]

Titanovenator had an expansive range that stretched all across northern africa!

[sullen cairn]

there's some camp-maas aged titanosaurus in north africa as well

there's one in morocco and another in duwi(?), plus that tooth in lebanon

and mansourasaurus

wait its adaffa

its all kinda samey gondwanan stuff outside like some things morocco

[light osprey]

Possibly wrong, since we have Hadrosauroids in Angola

[fallow ruin]

Hello

[sullen cairn]

*possible hadrosauroid phalange