paleontology

[west coral]

or break off

[sullen cairn]

Drive it in like a skewer then

[white matrix]

People would complain if this thing did bb per bite

[alpine island]

Give it fracture like KTO’s Deinosuchus 🧠

[scenic flame]

my dude that's like saying herrera would be better than allosaurus

[sullen cairn]

Herrera doesn’t have tethyhadros’ killer instinct though

Which evens out the slight size difference

[alpine island]

I’d like a large but not top 10 biggest sauropod ever ngl

[west coral]

poor guy

[sullen cairn]

I believe in him

[light osprey]

Austroposeidon is so very fun to say, I want to be one

[compact leaf]

a turiasaur would be cool to see, some of them are concerning

like turiasaurs got big fast and turiasaurus itself is a good sized sauropod

[light osprey]

Narp. Has to be a Titanosaur

[compact leaf]

;-;

[alpine island]

Turiasaurs seem cool I know like nothing about ‘em tho :(

[west coral]

it’s very concerning how fast they went from saltasaur grade to near megatitanosaur grade

[compact leaf]

they also have a really spotty record, they're another group that likes to show up at random in strange places

[stiff osprey]

yeah we have tiny turiasaurs all over the northern hemisphere and then 2 that randomly decide hmm time to be brach sized

[west coral]

Isn’t the only big one franco?

[stiff osprey]

Turiasaurus is massive

not as big as the french monster but like 4x the size of every other turiasaur

[compact leaf]

franco and turiasaurus itself are both massive, there’s other fragmentary ones that you can scale to concerning sized but they’re less reliable

[alpine island]

Is Bahariasaurus currently considered a noasaurid? Or is it one of those “I have no idea but sure it’s x or y” taxa (willing to bet on the latter)

[frosty anvil]

see ive been looking for sauropod genuses like this as well i just keep forgetting to ask here 💀 is camarasaurus classified as such?

[stiff osprey]

we have no idea what it is and it's possibly a chimera but it isn't a noasaur (at least, not all of it)

there might be a giant noasaur hidden in the baharia material

[pearl briar]

i'm late but thx ig

[lean stream]

Why is it so loud?

[bright veldt]

Nausea

[white matrix]

He is sure to win for his speed is superior

[vocal breach]

iirc Rex averages 8.8

[tough parcel]

How did you get something so exact

[viscid surge]

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[ocean drum]

Does anyone have any good diagrams of E.D Cope or Bertha?

[tough parcel]

No because they suck

[heady thunder]

How does Bertha suck her paper isnt even out yet

[tough parcel]

Exactly why she sucks!!! People are saying “15t T. rex real!” when there’s no supporting evidence!!! And if there is, it’s likely to be individual variation as well!!!

[heady thunder]

If 15 ton rex real 15 ton rex real, individual variation dont matter in the extinct theropod d$ck measuring contest.

[stiff osprey]

Cope is real, Bertha isn't. There's no measurements to corroborate Bertha being the largest rex

[alpine island]

Is Dinheirosaurus considered S. lourinhanensis?

[compact leaf]

yes

[vocal breach]

Any estimates above 11.5 tons for Rex are bs to me

I don’t think some people realize how much 15 tons is

A cruise ship anchor weighs like 12.5 tons

T. rex is not a cruise ship anchor

[little mauve]

Agreed, 15 tons is absurd for a biped. They were already running up against biomechanical limits at known masses.

[bright veldt]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4XvKb2

[white matrix]

meganeura fans be coping rn

[jagged trellis]

isn't meganeura a griffinfly family wise yeah? which are slightly distanced if memory serves right

[tranquil quartz]

There are no meganeura fans they all quit the game when the Carboniferous period got vaulted

[serene moat]

Has there been a new shantungosaurus bigger species or subspecies whatever u call it found like a week or so ago?

[bright veldt]

You need to be more specific

[serene moat]

Like is there a bigger shant individual or smth found a week or maybe a month ago

[bright veldt]

The only thing I can think of is one of the giant edmonto specimen that might be its own thing. It's an "eh" thing though cause it might have just looked different cause of age/size, since we don't have many edmontos of such scale to compare.

[indigo grail]

is dacentrurus have spike on its shoulders?

[bright veldt]

No

[warped peak]

Ey this is the one I was using with my model

[white matrix]

I'm not surprised Neura isn't a dragonfly, such a massive time gap would make the likelihood of it be higher anyways

[white matrix]

Drepanosaurus doesn't get enough love (art by Yoofilorb on Twitter)

It's like evolution was beta testing iguanas and chameleons

[crude latch]

Gasp what, why do I not know abt this feller

[white matrix]

It's a pretty obscure one

[crude latch]

I want one

Also why tf it got a spike on its tail.

[bright veldt]

To help cling to branches. It's aboreal, as most were. One of them was a burrower though.

[chilly obsidian]

You have a vaguely familiar name

[white matrix]

They're a YouTuber

[crude latch]

Wait are they still alive or is that still artwork

[bright veldt]

It's really good art lol

[crude latch]

Ye

[white matrix]

I love paleo art that looks like a literal photo

[crude latch]

But why it got that tail spike?

[white matrix]

Stop getting distracted by the pretty lizard picture and read what it says above it lol

[jagged trellis]

because it wanted it

[crude latch]

Oh

[alpine island]

Does anyone have a comparison of an average Edmontosaurus with Tarbosaurus? Might seem like an odd request but I’m wanting to check something

[chilly obsidian]

Yeah, that’s the point lol mb

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[chilly obsidian]

Anywho, is the supposed giant “dromaeosaur” that the singular toe bone of even actually have any kind of connection to dromaeosaurs

Last time we found a “giant raptor” it was actually a hand of a weird group of freddy cougarsauruses

[bright veldt]

It is a dromaeosaur proper, but its also just a toe bone so who cares. There are tyrannosaurus toebones that make them 15 meters long and thus nobody cares cause it's dumb.

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHOS55lJug

I like big crabs

[scarlet moon]

I like big crabs and I cannot lie

[alpine island]

Ty so much

[chilly obsidian]

Exactly

It’s why I refuse that it even exists or is a dromaeosaur at all

[warped peak]

Hell even I have a toebone fossil somewhere

For legal reasons it was absolutely purchased from someone with a prospectors license

[jagged trellis]

can confirm, the dude owned a lego blind bag mining figure, therefor has the license

[compact leaf]

I have a vertebrae hunk and a bunch o teeth

the complete trilobite is the pride of my collection though

[tough parcel]

I have a nice, fat adult Tarbosaurus skull in my basement

[compact leaf]

the other coolest thing in my collection is a really big spinosaur tooth

[light osprey]

Scales to 20 metres

[compact leaf]

if I had it handy I would tooth scale it

how big is the average spinosaurus tooth? I want to see just how horrifying I could make this estimate

[tough parcel]

About 1cm

[compact leaf]

real

I also have a rebbachisaurid tooth in case I ever want to commit the same sin that brought us 40 ton rebbachisaurus

[light osprey]

You can’t possibly be suggesting that estimate isn’t totally real??

[steady rock]

Spino lost its paddle tail?

[sullen cairn]

Has for a good bit now

[steady rock]

Oh 😦

[steady rock]

Was it due to this?https://x.com/fishboy86164577/status/1731458660059189704?s=20

[sullen cairn]

Plus sereno et at

[light oxide]

Wait -- SPINO LOST THE SAILED TAIL?!?!

[sullen cairn]

It still looks the same

Just likely wouldn’t function especially well as an actual paddle

[woeful falcon]

"lost" probably isn't the right word to use for this

[light oxide]

*O H *

You were talking about the paddle part. My apologies.

I literally thought you were saying that spino lost the sail part of the tail, just leaving it as a thin like tail. Silly me.

😅

[sullen cairn]

Don’t worry it is kinda ambiguous without the full image

Since this has been getting reposted around the last couple days

[stiff osprey]

to distract you from the overexposed tail comparison, here is a neck comparison

Xinjiangtitan, giraffe, and Man

[sullen cairn]

someone should isoscale the necks by length

[stiff osprey]

either humans are actually 20cm long sauropods or xinjiangtitan is a 200 meter tall man

[sullen cairn]

"it can't be that much smaller right?"

it was that much smaller

[steep needle]

crunchy sauropod

[viscid surge]

What is it

[surreal stone]

pssst, check my status

[surreal stone]

wait but what is that though

[lucid ibex]

I liked Paul Sereno’s hypothesis for how spinosaurus would function

[main acorn]

Hello

[viscid surge]

Hello

[tough parcel]

Now that is interesting...the plaque doesn't say a name, so I wonder if it's still being paper-ized

[main acorn]

Its called dracoraptor

Its right there in the image with the model

[tough parcel]

Erm...you think I can have basic media literacy when there's a dinosaur in the middle of the image? Smh, you're expecting too much of me

[warped peak]

Poking the paleo cube

What is thought to be the largest (at Adult) Jurassic Pterosaur?

Dearc, Harpactognathus, or a third option I've never heard of?

[rose thorn]

Dearc, which is known from a potentially sub adult animal and still subject to growing

[warped peak]

Makes sense. The Harpacto estimates are larger but Dearc isn't grown so yeah

Can't find any guesses on an adult for it

[bright veldt]

I'm pretty sure the largest Jurassic pterosaur is rhamphorhynchus

2+ meter wingspans and 5+ kilos

[serene moat]

Is there any more recent info for titanovenator?

[compact leaf]

I'm not sure about weight but harpactognathus and dearc both have wingspans upwards of 2 meters, dearc it's harder to say what the upper bound is for it

all 3 are more or less similar to each other in size, rhamphorhynchus has more specimens but most of them are smaller

[steady rock]

whats everyones opinion on tierzoos most recent video

i just watched utah one shot a sauropod 💔

[white matrix]

tierzoo is mid, not a good youtuber

he thinks nature is a video game "nerf utahraptor, buff smilodon, croc has too much stamina"

[steady rock]

update, utah won

[heady thunder]

Thats, thats the twist.

Hes not serious about it, he just presents life as a video game.

[white matrix]

even so personally, I do not like him

he also gives cheetahs a bad rep. "cheetahs are incapable of existing on their own"

[compact leaf]

the whole concept of tier listing animals is a bit flawed, if it exists then it’s an effective animal

[iron halo]

Unless it's a panda or seahorse
Dont argue im dying on this hill

[steady rock]

what did they do to you

[light osprey]

I guess they’re gonna die on the hill 🤷‍♂️

[steady rock]

rip

[white matrix]

they'll drag you along

[light osprey]

It’s certainly wrong though, Ailuropoda does just fine when China doesn’t devastate its environment

[steady rock]

yes

the only animals that suck are like, certian species of dog, like pugs

[iron halo]

Ok fine maybe not pandas but seahorses can die

[steady rock]

what did seahorses do to you

whats wrong with that?

[vast narwhal]

Isn't that the entire point of the channel?

His name is litterly "tierzoo"

[white matrix]

and? but then he uses it to make actual claims which is just misinformation ie saying cheetahs are incapable of existing.

[bright veldt]

The vid is trash.

Outdated information and tropes galore.

[steady rock]

i thought the fight scene was good

[bright veldt]

The animation is perfectly fine. I'm not going to criticize that. I know the guy who animated it and he does great work. Although Tierzoo's stuff has always been high-quality production-wise. It's teaching people the wrong stuff that's the problem.

I'm eventually going to dissect it all in-full personally but that's a long way away with my lack of motivation to do youtube and the sheer scope of everything I'd have to cover.

[vast narwhal]

But you put the entire concept of the channel as a argument which is a dumb take

[white matrix]

because it is? tier listing animals (reallife) ones at least is dumb in general

[steep needle]

AvA discussions are inherently kinda bad, they don’t take into account that these animals are specialized for entirely different things and didn’t meet each other

[bright veldt]

You can do his channel's concept well. I just think over time it's gotten more serious and he really doesn't paint the context needed.

Like I'd care less about it if cheetahs not doing that well in the wild because they're "poorly designed" wasn't now a mainstream opinion.

[steep needle]

rating animals based on various characteristics could be a decent channel concept, but fights are inherently very fluid depending on a shitload of variables

[bright veldt]

When the reality is, kinda like pandas, we've lowkey gaslit the species by eviscerating their numbers, then making fun of traits that make them struggle to bounce back as them being bad at survival. It's like breaking someone's leg then making fun of them cause they can't walk.

[white matrix]

I wouldn't have a problem really if he didn't teach misinformation, and judging an animals survivability based on characteristics.

Is it bad to make tierlists of animals? Certainly not a crime, but its a very flawed topic. and if you do it might as well give accurate/up-to-date info.

[vocal breach]

What was on average heavier Utah or Dilo?

[light osprey]

Maybe it’s a fault of concept for him 🤷

*Oh my message delivered late, looks like I was right

[bright veldt]

The sizes we have for both (generally) are 5 meters and 500 kg for Utah and 7 meters and 650 kg for Dilo

[bright veldt]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi0505

Juvenile gorgosaurus preserved with juvenile oviraptorosaur bones in its stomach

[light oxide]

Not surprised.

[stiff osprey]

I like the implication that it ate the thigh and left the rest because that's the meatiest part of the carcass

[bright veldt]

Predation

[white matrix]

wtf

[sullen cairn]

Further proof people only start caring about specimens after someone makes a size chart

And it’s ceratosauria indet

[white matrix]

do you want someone to hop on theropod database and scale it themselves

[sullen cairn]

It is scaled correctly
It just isn’t some hidden uberceratosaurus

Scaled it myself a few months back

And there always is beloved 8.7m tooth scaled ceratosaurus of course

[white matrix]

why did no one tell me/notice 😭

[west coral]

How would Zimbabwean giant ceratosaur compare to allo

[sullen cairn]

Cause a) larramendi only has it at like 8m for some reason (and also calls is ceratosaurus sp for some reason? and b) its a very broad indet so it’s hard to really put a face to it

[olive moat]

The goat

[sullen cairn]

So just psa for people the big thing isn’t actually ceratosaurus

[white matrix]

I've heard people call it a megalosaur

[olive moat]

Yeah that seems pretty obvious with how much larger it is.

[west coral]

how basal is the feller

or derived

[stiff osprey]

How big would QG be scaled from eoabeli?

[sullen cairn]

It’s considered it an indet neoceratosaurian in 2008(?) and indet ceratosaurian in 2012 iirc

[sullen cairn]

9m

[stiff osprey]

so i can't even decide which i prefer based on size

they're the same damn size

[sullen cairn]

oh wait lmao 7.7m with one of the grillcourt regressions
(granted i think its also the smallest regression)

[olive moat]

New goat🗣️ 🔥 🔥 /j

[sullen cairn]

its like 8m averaging out all the abelisauroid femoral regressions lmfao

[stiff osprey]

that would be one leggy eoabeli

[lilac vale]

Yo do you know where that new ceratosaurus thing was posted? I’d like to save the original image

[sullen cairn]

Theropoda 2.0 but also the thing shrinks a ton when you plug it into any abelisauroid femoral regression

[stiff osprey]

idk if a regression based on albian to maastrichtian taxa would work very well on something jurassic

[sullen cairn]

Grillcourt’s regressions includes noasaurids and eoabeli and stuff

[stiff osprey]

ohh i read abelisaurid

[sullen cairn]

And all femoral regressions have .99-1.00 r squares

[stiff osprey]

the eoabelisaurus type is a subadult so i can believe that a jurassic abelisaur could reach 8m

[sullen cairn]

Tendaguru has a 6.something meter tibia as well

[stiff osprey]

all of ceratosauria having the exact same femur length

[sullen cairn]

I’m assuming the scaling with eoabeli thing ends up so high cause of other appendicular measurements ending up with higher length estimates

Cause plugging eoabeli’s 64cm femur into the same regressions is pretty congruent with grillcourt’s final estimate

[stiff osprey]

i mean eo has a 64 cm femur, scaling it to a 99 cm one makes 9m exactly

unless eoabeli is like a meter smaller than i thought

[sullen cairn]

also regressions for the curious

grillcourt's eoabelisaurus estimte is 5.8m, plugging it into the femoral regressions nets ~5.6m

smallest regression being 5.4m

so it all lines up

and 8m abelisaurid in the late jurassic doesn't seem too weird when we have things nearly that size by like the valanginian already

i suppose coefficient of allometry being 1.15-1.2 in the regressions should've been a tip-off not to scale isometrically lmao

god i love grillcourt

and of course the 9.1m one is being reposted everywhere

[olive moat]

9.1m one will now circulate for months in paleo communities

[pearl briar]

i don't understand math 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 💯 💯 💯

[sullen cairn]

abelisauroid femurs have positive allometry

and ceratosaurid femurs don't have anywhere near a large enough sample to tell

[wary heath]

Who’d win in a fight, utahraptor or smilodon

[jagged trellis]

this isn't in relation to a certain yt upload now is it( but seeing both have heavy weapons and utah being abit larger....yeah utah id wager overall)

[clever sable]

Utah

Is this because of the tier zoo video?

[lilac vale]

@stiff osprey

[sullen cairn]

it was posted in theropoda 2.0
and could very easily be over 1m shorter

[stiff osprey]

I was briefly tempted to just not give you it
but here let's see table suffer

[sullen cairn]

WE'RE TRYING TO STOP IT FROM BEING SPREAD EVERYWHERE

[stiff osprey]

let 9m ceratosaurus corrupt their hearts and drive them mad

[sullen cairn]

screw it i'm making a pretty abelisauroid version for the sole purpose of attempted damage control

[viscid surge]

Time to join every awesomebro discord and show them this i guess

[sullen cairn]

you are all terrible people

[viscid surge]

[sullen cairn]

the horrors mankind has wrought in god's absence

[light osprey]

Is that…. the 9 metre Ceratosaur?

[sullen cairn]

i need to file a restraining order on torvo around ceratosaurians
in the past week he has

1. tried telling me abelisauroid centrum height and width are bad for scaling (they are not)
2. tried telling me lametasaurus' ilium is too large compared to its other measurements (it is not)
3. this

[white matrix]

i think we should scale mammals instead

[stiff osprey]

remember when "megalosaurus ingens" was a ceratosaur and it was 9m long and the apex predator in tendaguru? pepperidge farm remembers

[sullen cairn]

no

[white matrix]

no its the 40m tyrannosaur

[stiff osprey]

to be fair centrum length is usually better for scaling
unless the centrum is anteroposteriorly crushed or related animals have poorly preserved spines

[sullen cairn]

in the regressions they're all 0.95+ r squares with overlap between all three measurements

[viscid surge]

I have a 34m carnotaurus that i created and one day shall unleash upon the world

[sullen cairn]

and more concerningly he was using said logic to justify 10.68m kem kem abelisaur

[stiff osprey]

how does the kem kem abelisaur come out 8m long with centrum diameter and 11m with centrum length then

[viscid surge]

Sadly Disney lawyers would likely tear me apart if i did so you guys are safe for now

[sullen cairn]

cause isolated elements do funny things

[stiff osprey]

you're lucky i also don't want a 11m subadult abelisaur to be a thing

[light osprey]

The list of exorbitantly large Cenomanian African Theropods narrows expands

[sullen cairn]

the thing with the regressions is they are really good at predicting the total length of things with complete enough material to have a vaguely decent averaged out length

so averaging out each individual regression estimate is the most reasonable thing to do when the r-square are similar because that's how grillcourt achieved all of their final body lengths as well

case in point pycno is nearly 10m scaling with centrum length by itself

[white matrix]

abelisaurs overrated

[sullen cairn]

hush

also why the hell is pycno nearly 10m scaling with centrum length

anyways point is wildly varying estimates between regressions is kinda expected because you're kinda supposed to average em all out too

[white matrix]

cause pycno built diff

[stiff osprey]

more evidence of >10m adult pycno

[sullen cairn]

this channel is slowly being corrupted by satan himself

[pearl briar]

if rex was the last tyrannosauroid, does it makes him as the youngest tyrannosauroid?

[white matrix]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2023.2286513 yay

[lilac vale]

Thx!

[sullen cairn]

there we go now its just tall

[west coral]

problem solved

[sullen cairn]

which is like 1900kg scaling with old carno gdi
so still big but hey its not 9m now

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/missionaccomplished-emperorsnewgroove-kronk-gif-4514330

[sullen cairn]

smallest regression looks like this

[olive moat]

Time to spread some misinformation for the sake of my cerato agenda

[sullen cairn]

or you could maybe use the more reasonably scaled version i just made

plz

[surreal stone]

dude that aint no cera 💀

[stiff osprey]

ik, not my image

[olive moat]

If I simply spread the misinformation enough then it'll eventually become true

[sullen cairn]

this is the worst possible timeline of today

[idle talon]

Was dakotaraptor a real thing or more likely an adult acheroraptor?

[olive moat]

It's the best possible timeline for my cerato agenda

Cerato is now 9m and I have a fancy looking size chart to prove it

Couldn't have asked for better tools to spread my agenda

[light osprey]

Probably it’s own thing, Dakotaraptor the genus would probably not be maintained with a “neotype” I think

[olive moat]

It's about as real as 9.1m cerato is. (It's 100% real)

[idle talon]

Alright. Was wondering cause I have seen it suggested that it’s an adult acheroraptor

[idle talon]

Sarcasm?

[olive moat]

No

[lilac vale]

How did they get that estimate

[idle talon]

Good

[light osprey]

It would have to exponentially grow larger to achieve that adult size from a sub-adult ontogenetic stage. In short, very implausible

[olive moat]

Scaled a bone off of randomdinos denti cera or smth, it's 100% reliable and you should spread it to every paleo related community you can.

The world needs to know about 9.1m cerato

[idle talon]

I see. I know dakotaraptor is a chimaera but I think one of the bones they found was a large dromaeosaur sickle claw

[light osprey]

That and the Tibia I think it was

[lilac vale]

Is this sarcasm

[tough parcel]

I mean, red is the Acheroraptor holotype (which is suspected to be a sub-adult, so that means very little growing left)

[sullen cairn]

wow falcon leaking koi skeletals tsk tsk tsk

[olive moat]

Not at all, pls spread it

[light osprey]

Oh it’s not a tibia darn

[steady rock]

Omg i saved it before he deleted it

[tough parcel]

You bet I would

[light osprey]

Just a lil silly goose

[steady rock]

remember that one stegogorous got leaked and we could for somereason not talk about it?

[tough parcel]

Even if it's embargo because it incorporates the known parts of the nearly complete Dakotaraptor skeleton from the upcoming paper, doesn't mean it's wrong to post

[light osprey]

Real

[steady rock]

like, whos gonna stop me? the police? why couldnt i talk about stegorous

[sullen cairn]

true

[compact leaf]

I mean subadults can also be wonky but a size difference that extreme in a raptor would be very unlikely

sauropods can boom in size between subadult and fully grown but they’re sauropods and they like to be difficult

[steady rock]

dont sub adult rexes have largely different niches to adult ones? or are those juvies?

[light osprey]

Sub-adult is probably just doing regular Tyrannosaurus stuff if I had to guess

[olive moat]

Misinformation really spreads easily huh? It's pretty crazy

[sullen cairn]

stop reminding me

misinformation is only funny if i'm the one spreading it

[tough parcel]

Mfw I try to spread misinfo and it goes nowhere

Table is trying their best to be accurate, but then their prototypes get released and all the misinfo goes wild

Socity

[compact leaf]

we live in a society

[chilly obsidian]

What is that

[olive moat]

It's really eye opening seeing how easy it is to spread. I wonder how far I can spread it

[tough parcel]

I am actually going to have a conniption

[olive moat]

You can't, not when you live in a world where 9.1m cerato is real

[tough parcel]

9.1m Cerato is one of the reasons for it

[olive moat]

Does the truth scare you that badly? (I'm going to get so much mileage out of this screenshot)

[tough parcel]

No, it's just becoming annoying now

[west coral]

nearly complete?

[tough parcel]

Yea, it looks pretty awesome

[sullen cairn]

i wonder what would happen if i started scaling stuff like torvo does

[tough parcel]

Really unique skull which would make sense cause it's not a bulky hunter like Utahraptor, I suspect it is an endurance hunter like the mighty dire wolf

[west coral]

Don’t get any ideas

There’s even a skull attributed to it?

[sullen cairn]

you think you're so clever

[west coral]

hold on

[tough parcel]

I am hilarious

[west coral]

misinformation has got my ass again

[olive moat]

Dinosaurs will get a whole lot cooler. Just like cerato is

[tough parcel]

Me pulling up the "no trolling" clause in the rules

[sullen cairn]

i think we'd both be immediately banned for life

[tough parcel]

Hrgh, you're right

[stiff osprey]

you would be one of the greatest scalers of all time if you did stuff outside of abelisauroidea

[sullen cairn]

and yet here we are

[stiff osprey]

grillo & delcourt is my favorite theropod paper
single handedly fixed size estimates of one half of averostra

[olive moat]

Might as well call it the "no fun" clause. Besides, I'm not trolling 9.1m cera is very real ||in my heart||

[sullen cairn]

And yet somehow thanos was horrendously miscalled after despite delcourt literally being the coauthor

[stiff osprey]

was it delcourt?

[sullen cairn]

Delcourt and iori

[stiff osprey]

he's a brazilian. it's a brazilian animal. he'll make it big by any means necessary

AUSTROPOSEIDON SUBADULT 30 METROS 🗣️ 👑 🌟

[sullen cairn]

CAMPEAO DO MUNDO

[tough parcel]

And yet we have not seen you upsize a Brazilian animal...curious...

[stiff osprey]

I upsized Austroposeidon after I downsized it previously

[sullen cairn]

That just makes you stateless

[stiff osprey]

I upsized Oxalaia by like 5 centimeters

And I upsized the carcharodontosaur footprint but then decided not to tell anyone because it would make Giganotosaurus secretly 30 tons

[tough parcel]

Did I not do that? Or did you upscale my upscale?

[sullen cairn]

In that case you are very much Canadian after the albertosaurus phalanges incidents

[stiff osprey]

All i did was speak the truth

except that one pedal phalanx i mistook for a manual one and made it 28 meters

[sullen cairn]

I suppose that makes me a flight risk in Canada after the Albertaceratops incident as well

[stiff osprey]

I discovered it first, then Dan learned of it some years later, and then Koi and 2.0 learned of it, and you were there at some point

[sullen cairn]

Or be me and accidentally scale albertavenator’s frontal length in mm with stenonychosaurus’ skull length in cm to accidentally corroborate my already miscaled estimate

[tough parcel]

Grrr, how dare you take away my pioneering

[sullen cairn]

I have actually upscaled…. Um…. Niebla?

[stiff osprey]

seriously though the 38 cm albertosaurus chevron still exists

nobody's done anything to dismiss it

[tough parcel]

What would that give us? These numbers mean nothing to me unless it is whole

[stiff osprey]

numbers i will not say in a server where 9.1m ceratosaurus was immediately taken as fact

[tough parcel]

But it'd be funny :(

[sullen cairn]

Does this count as an upsize

[olive moat]

Could you upsize those pixels a bit more?

[tough parcel]

No, it makes it funnier

[sullen cairn]

Why did he call it ceratosaurus why did he call it ceratosaurus why did he call it ceratosaurus why did he call it ceratosaurus

[olive moat]

Why wouldn't he when that's clearly what it is?

[sullen cairn]

Holy crap Lois velociraptor upsize

[west coral]

That’s clearly tsaagan upsize

[olive moat]

New (mis)information to spread

[compact leaf]

me adding a meter to adult brachiosaurus estimates every other month to see if anyone notices

[stiff osprey]

I was wondering what that was about

[idle talon]

Large dromaeosaurs 🔥

[clever sable]

I will never trust Dakotaraptor, it's not real and it never will be

[compact leaf]

it’s curtice we have to worry about, he’s cooking something up with it

it’s been a while since he threw the sauropod world into complete chaos, he has to strike soon it’s coming

[stiff osprey]

still waiting on his new supersaurus remains paper

Super has the potential to be my second favorite sauropod it just needs to finish being described

[clever sable]

Whats your favorite sauropod?

[stiff osprey]

Xinjiangtitan

[alpine island]

I’ve heard a lot about Xinjiangtitan but I don’t know much about it, what makes it your favorite?

[light osprey]

It has a long neck

[west coral]

Long neck = good

[compact leaf]

Brachiosaurus is my favorite dinosaur full stop, curtice has confirmed he’s just sitting on brachi neck verts comparable in length to super too

on facebook of all places

[west coral]

what

[lucid ibex]

I’m trying so hard to keep up with the new spinosaurus Information. Now y’all are saying it didn’t have a paddle tail? Please I’m so confused I might need to pull out the pin board

[compact leaf]

it still has the same fin on its tail it just didn’t function very well as an actual paddle

[lucid ibex]

Oh ok

[stiff osprey]

It has the longest known neck of anything ever (although Supersaurus seems like it will supplant it soon) + it's preserved from the braincase to the tail in articulation

[woeful falcon]

my neck's longer.

it's really inconvenient actually.

[stiff osprey]

as far as I know xinj is one of two >25m sauropods that have been found in articulation (the other is Futalognkosaurus)

and then futalognk being over 25m is a stretch, but i'll allow it since 25m is an arbitrary cutoff point

[compact leaf]

a sauropod that large being found articulated is actually insane

in a perfect world there would be more of them like that, but we all know that doesn’t exist

[light osprey]

When I first saw Xinjiangtitan I thought he was referring to the Nanxiong Lognkosaurian, and I was gobsmacked

[white matrix]

got to love how trans-continental dispersal can shrink a couple species of a genus

[chilly obsidian]

I feel like the Uzbekistan “raptor” will probably end up being either a large species of another type of theropod or a new group of theropods

Like the megaraptor

[steady rock]

show how big it is

[sullen cairn]

This is the best quality I have lmao

[noble dune]

Clearest Android photo quality

Also I come to ask how good this miragaia skeletal is

[woeful falcon]

might as well use patch's

[sullen cairn]

while we're here repose by obsolerus

[woeful falcon]

oh, saving

[tiny holly]

long leg ass smh

[olive moat]

Wide ass ribs 😭

[copper flame]

does anyone know what titanosaurus bones belong to, because I herd it was isiasaurus
also skeletal

[crude latch]

Let’s talk marine reptiles and Lips, mainly plesiosaurs and why they don’t got em

I’m a bit confused on it tbh but I do still think lipped plesiosaurs are goofy

[copper flame]

one probably made big booming whales sounds the other just hissed and growled

because lips

[crude latch]

Yes but like, how do we know they didn’t have lips( in a sense)

[copper flame]

prob there werid aah teeth

does titanosaurus fossil belong to isiasaurus?

[sullen cairn]

the whole reason isisaurus is a genus is because its explicitly not similar to the titanosaurus holotype

ergo no

[surreal stone]

anybodt got a top down skeletal for alcovasaurus

[surreal stone]

where yall gone 😭

[lilac vale]

Love that transition on the back

[woeful falcon]

clean

[lilac vale]

Just makes you wanna fall on it and impale yourself

Give in to that satisfying row of perfection

[patent prawn]

Weewarrasaurus, that is all

me when my bones are opals

[bright veldt]

Plesiosaurs in general didn’t have lips due to most of them having large and overlapping teeth that didn’t really allow lips to exist

[pearl briar]

i'm kinda scared tbh

[light osprey]

An individual of great intellect I see

Most silly people get lippy when they see the Aristonectines only their teeth still laterally splay outwards like a regular Elasmosaurid

[white matrix]

Not to mention plesiosaurs wouldn't really need lips to begin with

[tough parcel]

"Anime girls for scale are annoying, be normal!!"

Nanmu, the toy company:

[lavish frigate]

The toy company is also wrong

[tough parcel]

Crying!

[chilly knot]

we superior

[sudden wind]

real
it's a tooth

[sudden wind]

No because they use Artoria, so they are based

[main acorn]

I love that birds are reptiles

It actually explains alot to me

[ancient hill]

I agree it makes it a miracle of evolution that we could go from scales to feathers

[scenic flame]

nah that one is based off a femur from Zimbabwe, which may be a ceratosaurus/close relative or a very early abelisauroid

[olive moat]

It’s actually a leg bone get it right . The 8.7m cera is the one that’s just a tooth and 1-2 ribs. If you think that’s fragmentary enough to not count as real then I guess you don’t count something like hatz as real either since that thing makes this cera look like a complete skeleton.

[ancient hill]

@main acorn when you really think about it birds really do still have scales just on their feet

[olive moat]

[main acorn]

Ceratosaurus is so overrated tbh

[olive moat]

Nah

[main acorn]

I mean, they are just modified feathers and made of keratin just like scales

[sullen cairn]

The 8.7m is just a tooth no ribs
And also just a tooth so

[main acorn]

Yup

[olive moat]

Still complete enough for me

[ancient hill]

Both feathers and scales are made of β-keratin

[main acorn]

Yeah, i remember i always wondered what birds were related to when i was little, its actually so nice to know that they're related to crocodiles and such

[ancient hill]

They are pretty much the coolest clad there is

[main acorn]

Its also really cool that mosasaurs are related to snakes, my snake is a lil mosa

[olive moat]

People will say that being just a tooth makes estimates for the specimen unreliable but that’s wrong since as we all know teeth scale with size perfectly and have no variation between individuals

[sullen cairn]

Real

[ancient hill]

Crazy to think that mosasaur and things like squamates are related to birds

Talk about being lucky evolutionarily

[main acorn]

Basically meaning that mosasaurs is a dinosaur

[light osprey]

More recent phylogenetic stuff puts them in Anguimorpha

[ancient hill]

I’d say they are related but not exactly the same thing. Birds are reptiles so that by extension means they are related even if distantly

[lavish frigate]

He’s related to these goofy young gentleman

[main acorn]

Slowworms

[lilac vale]

How am I supposed to know how tall a friggin anime woman is

[main acorn]

Ew animay

[ancient hill]

At least yknow your birds and snake have stuff to talk about since they are clade buddies

[main acorn]

My snake used to love my burrd

[compact leaf]

they’re related but very distantly

[sudden wind]

This femur could belong to :
a large Ceratosaur indeed
an early Abelisauroid, so either an Abelisaur or Noasaur
I do not deny this fossil to be real, but I would not say that we can really say something confidently about it.

As for Hatz's overall appearance? Yeah, I do not buy it given its fragmentary nature. It's an over glorified taxon for how badly preserved it is.
And I do not even see why I argue to someone who's clearly trolling.

[lilac vale]

Fragmentary specimens get too much hate lol

[sullen cairn]

i'd hate it a lot less if it wasn't billed as literally just ceratosaurus but 9m

[white matrix]

@sullen cairn can you scale this megisto and random's cerato

[tough parcel]

Gimme a sec

[olive moat]

The second there's the possibility of a pre-existing dinosaur being larger then previously thought people will sadly immediately latch onto it as fact . I MEAN 9.1m CERATO IS REAL!!!

[white matrix]

falcon with a clutch, W

[olive moat]

9.1m megistotherium?!

[white matrix]

ty

[chilly obsidian]

Wait a damn minute, if the material for troodon turned out to be two dinosaurs but then later turned out to actually just be one dinosaur wouldn’t that mean troodon does exist because it was the first name given to the species

[sullen cairn]

troodon does exist but its just the tooth

and it isn't diagnostic as a species

[chilly obsidian]

So the singular tooth still isn’t assigned to anything?

[sullen cairn]

the tooth is assigned to troodon, and troodon is a nomen dubium

because troodon as a taxon is based off the tooth

[woeful falcon]

It's assigned to troodon. Trouble is you can't really assign anything else to it as it's an undiagnostic tooth

[chilly obsidian]

Well yeah but I meant assigned to stenony or some other troodontid

I already know troodon is invalid

[lavish frigate]

I heard from the skeleton crew video on an invalid boi that there is some northern US material that might become the new stuff for troodon and the other material will be Stenonychosaurus (I hope I’m interpreting their words correctly)

[chilly obsidian]

The alaskin troodontid they found isn’t troodon, it’s just a troodontid

[royal night]

could smilodon climb trees?

[chilly obsidian]

Probably but not too well, lions could but given how bulky smilodon is it’d probably take a lot of effort and energy so then it wouldn’t make it worth it

[lavish frigate]

(And by this I mean northern in the main 48 )

[chilly obsidian]

So not Prince creek?

[jagged trellis]

i mean the better question is: could they climb well enough for it to be worth it, kinda like swimming

[white matrix]

depends which species you use, gracilis? probably. as for fatalis and populator they're was an SVP abstract in which they looked for morphological stuff's in the ulna in with conjunction of body mass compared to known climbers and terrestrial animals (mostly just used P. onca, S. fatalis and S. populator). For fatalis it would've been able to arboreally hunt and terrestrial hunt, although for populator and P. atrox (I know you didn't ask but it was in anyway) they exhibited in niche separation, younger individuals being able to climb whilst adults we're fully terrestrial.

1st image S. populator ulna, 2nd image P. onca ulna. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011412

[royal night]

what?

[jagged trellis]

as in most animals with similar builds and size can do so...but its not very effective and not worth the time, so would that be the case for larger and or smaller smilodons

[lavish frigate]

I don’t believe so

[royal night]

what does the person above mean

[chilly obsidian]

Yes

They’re cats so they have the capability but it’s whether or not they would or even should try

[jagged trellis]

that smaller smilodon species have suggestions they can, and one larger species suggesting adults wouldn't but younger ones actively would and could

[royal night]

bruh did you not read what Tkae said

[white matrix]

^

[woeful falcon]

Account made today.

[royal night]

ok? how is that answering my questions

[white matrix]

what

[chilly obsidian]

N’ did you not understand what I’m trying to say

[royal night]

you clearly missed this

[white matrix]

I am confused

[light osprey]

Probably just represents its own thing. Just a personal opinion though

[jagged trellis]

thats the answer, you asked if smilodon could climb trees, and i took tks answer and simplified it

[light osprey]

The Prince Creek stuff that is*

[royal night]

how do we know tk aint lying you really trust them

[white matrix]

its from papers?? (well one is an svp but eh)

[sullen cairn]

maybe you wrote them yourself to fool us

[royal night]

like is he a paleontologist????????????

[white matrix]

trug..

[woeful falcon]

Guarantee this us our troll friend we haven't seen in a hot minute asking nonsense questions with an account made today.

[royal night]

it aint nonsense? who asked you

[sullen cairn]

I'm sorry, but your question seems to be incomplete or unclear. Could you please provide more context or clarify your question? If you're asking about someone specific and whether they are a paleontologist, please provide the name or more details so I can better assist you.

[white matrix]

Lmao

[jagged trellis]

papers can be wrong but like....what other source is there, can't really see living ones, so the next best thing is studying the remains and comparing to similar animals while taking into account variables, which is wut the paper is

[royal night]

Tableseating i thought we were friends

[light osprey]

True, the best of pals

[white matrix]

true

[sullen cairn]

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[royal night]

btw tableseating real name is griffin

[jagged trellis]

peter

[sullen cairn]

oh its one of zenobs alts
hey i guessed it right

[light osprey]

Dr. Griffin*, get it right smh

[chilly obsidian]

I didn’t, I was just talking about the part if whether or not they would? Like if it was worth it to even chase something up a tree

[royal night]

whats an svp

[sullen cairn]

sus vent poster

[chilly obsidian]

Whose side are you on?..

[woeful falcon]

Oh does this all trail back to zenob? Didn't even realize that

[light osprey]

Lies from academia that try to distract us from the true shape of the earth of course

[white matrix]

mod is here

[sullen cairn]

is there a lore reason mods are here

[chilly obsidian]

Smilodon

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[sullen cairn]

is there a lore reason i've never been able to react to anything here unless there's a preexisting reaction

[chilly obsidian]

I don’t think anyone here except a maybe the few are paleontologists, we just all like paleontology

[woeful falcon]

That's a troll dawg, don't pay them any mind

[chilly obsidian]

Yeah, not troodon just another troodontid I’m assuming

[sullen cairn]

alaskotroodon

[chilly obsidian]

Cuz afaik ‘troodon’ was small, the alaskan troodontid was irregularly big for a troodontid

[light osprey]

Sikunykus sounded like a cool genus name. I stand by it

[sullen cairn]

plus troodon's currently invalid so we can't really assign anything to it

[chilly obsidian]

Yeah

[jagged trellis]

speaking of, how big were the 2 of normie troodon and the special case big one, seeing how the internet has....varying results

[chilly obsidian]

From where did the name come from tho, just curious

[light osprey]

Just the bestomator post as far as I’m aware

[chilly obsidian]

“Latenivenatrix” the arguably better name

[jagged trellis]

so thats the regular size of the identity crisis....alot bigger than i thought

[sullen cairn]

larramendi has this which is disgusting and umm
i hate it

[jagged trellis]

huh, ig the lion sized takes weren't far off

[chilly obsidian]

And the best I could find, stenonychosaurus

[white matrix]

image compression..

[light osprey]

PC stuff?

[chilly obsidian]

The hell is the context behind this

[sullen cairn]

presumably mr 14.3mm tooth

[clever sable]

It's the Alaskan troodontid thats based on teeth iirc

[light osprey]

It’s equally possible the Prince Creek material wasn’t notably gigantic I’ve heard.

[jagged trellis]

9 m cera nah we need 9 m troodon

[light osprey]

Or even particularly large

[sullen cairn]

i don't like it being large because if you scale other NA troodontid material with larramendi's 5.4m you get this mess

[chilly obsidian]

I’ve made my own alaskan troodontid size chart but that was like a year ago so it’s outdated but here it is, it’s honestly the best I could do since I had nothing to work with

My old username shows how old this was, bottom right

[elfin pulsar]

Is that actually fr?

[light osprey]

Maybe not that tall, but possibly a 4 metre Troodontid

[chilly obsidian]

I made it myself with limited information, so probably not

[white matrix]

I read this as susnykus

[sullen cairn]

there's those braincases that pug scaled but i don't like the results and they scare me so i choose to ignore them until i decide i want to scale it myself

[chilly obsidian]

I’d say it’s better than the giga troodontid Tableseating provided tbh

[light osprey]

Seasonal perpetual darkness lookin’ real comfy for Troodontids or something

[chilly obsidian]

I refuse to believe a troodon that big existed

[tough parcel]

I think my scaling is better than everyone's

[sullen cairn]

for the record i don't endorse it

cause thats a frontal

[sudden wind]

The mammal swallower

[chilly obsidian]

Short people going extinct

[light osprey]

NA Troodontids and their big heads

[white matrix]

Agreed especially with the clutch you made earlier

[tough parcel]

I gotchu fam

[bright veldt]

Unironically is

[chilly obsidian]

Gaulicho is causing the extinction of short people, not the hero we needed but the hero we deserved

[sudden wind]

Falc is short herself

You 5'3 @tough parcel right ?

[sullen cairn]

I should scale one of falcons thing by the person’s height

[chilly obsidian]

She’s in danger then

[tough parcel]

I will not confirm or deny

[chilly obsidian]

She’s going to be eaten by a stenonychosaurus

[tough parcel]

It would actually be so funny

Wait I mean to respond to Table

[clever sable]

I did not expect that, I also did not realize falcon was a girl

[chilly obsidian]

[sullen cairn]

Indeed

[light osprey]

Trug

[chilly obsidian]

What

[tough parcel]

AAAA

[clever sable]

I pride myself on my height and I always will, I'm not exceptionally tall but I am above average (I'm 6'2 for reference)

[tough parcel]

MY OWN SILLINESS BACK TO HAUNT ME

[white matrix]

Brother 6'2 is tall asf

[chilly obsidian]

I’m 5’7 I think so I may be short but at least I’m not too short

[clever sable]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tough parcel]

Oh go eat a pant, that's pretty tall I'll destroy you

[light osprey]

Too silly for your own good

[chilly obsidian]

Go to silly jail

[clever sable]

I would say it's above average, not insanely tall but above average

[sullen cairn]

6’2 is like tallest person in the room half the time

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-goose-silly-goose-moment-gif-24528309

[tough parcel]

^

[clever sable]

Well when my dad and basically every guy on his side of the family is 6'4 I don't feel tall

[white matrix]

I'm like 5'7 at 22

[clever sable]

My mom is short though, she's like 5'4 iirc?

[chilly obsidian]

I get Latenivenatrix is stenonychosaurus and is synonymous with it but stenonychosaurus is a stupid name and I will call it Latenivenatrix til the day I die

[chilly obsidian]

🤝

[white matrix]

guys who would win sarcosuchus or amilodon

[light osprey]

Me

[chilly obsidian]

Me

[tough parcel]

I mean, tbf...Laten was named by a horrific person, so I dunno if I'd prefer it nice sounding name, horrible origin

[chilly obsidian]

Bro we had the same idea, dab me up

[clever sable]

Although I'm pretty skinny for 6'2, last time I checked I was 159 pounds

[chilly obsidian]

Idc about people or who they are, it’s like how I listen to music. I care only about how it sounds

[tough parcel]

Saddening!

[clever sable]

Anyways, is it true Herrera isn't a theropod? Hera? Herara? Idk how to spell it

[white matrix]

The first option was spelled right

[chilly obsidian]

I don’t think we even actually know

[tough parcel]

Just saying they don't deserve the legacy, but I can't stop you

And yes, Herrera is just outside theropods

[clever sable]

So what exactly is it?

[chilly obsidian]

I don’t even know who named latenivenatrix or who you’re even talking about, I care only for the name

[olive moat]

Nah 9m cerato is peak

[woeful falcon]

Stenonychosaurus easier to say LUMP

[chilly obsidian]

Stenonychosaurus is a stupid name and I dislike it

[jagged trellis]

so is 9 m troodon guys

[chilly obsidian]

Oh him

[white matrix]

Guys I saw tyrqnoeoa rex

[olive moat]

damn

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[chilly obsidian]

Good

[olive moat]

9.1m cerato is even more peak

[jagged trellis]

true

[chilly obsidian]

Called it, anywho back to paleontology. Stenonychosaurus is a boring name though, it’s just another saurus

[light osprey]

They all pale in comparison to Albertavenator 🔥

[sudden wind]

https://fxtwitter.com/zihanshen115982/status/1733505825480794579?s=46&t=xGi5apPCvowzJSKCFHEl5Q

[woeful falcon]

Ooo

[chilly obsidian]

Albertavenator is a cool name, that’s unique

[chilly obsidian]

I love the polar bear lizard

[light osprey]

I am gonna be a lil stinky, I don’t like white beastly Theropods just because the climate gets a lil cold

[sullen cairn]

polar bear lizard when it gets killed

[sudden wind]

That's not Nanuqsaurus (it anyway is overrated)

[clever sable]

The tallest person ever compared to carcharadontosaurus

[light osprey]

Ngl, he can take ‘em

[olive moat]

That's crazy

[chilly obsidian]

Accurate yutyrannus reconstruction made by yours truly

[olive moat]

real

[light osprey]

I think Ugueto does the whole cold climate theropod thing the best here

[clever sable]

Also beags newest carch skeletal, reconstructed in a more giganotosaurine way

[woeful falcon]

Very giga.

[chilly obsidian]

Ain’t that imperobator from prehistoric planet season 2

[light osprey]

Yes

[chilly obsidian]

I just remembered something, haven’t we found out something about the color of deinonychus eggs?

[white matrix]

People who make cave lions pure white cause they heard it snow:

[light osprey]

Real. Snow = Yeti

[clever sable]

Is a more giganotosaurine reconstruction a good thing or a bad thing?

[chilly obsidian]

Tbh I feel like cave loins might have been a kind of brownish shade, something about cave paintings and the climate makes it feel like it probably woulda been brown

[white matrix]

They were yellowish/red

[woeful falcon]

Well being reconstructed from Meraxes would still be giganotosaurin. But Meraxes is more basal, thus one could argue is more appropriate to use than Giganotosaurus. This looks reconstructed based on Dan's Giganotosaurus specifically

[light osprey]

I hear the sacral stuff is a lil different for Carcharodontosaurus

[chilly obsidian]

My ice and fire brain turned on when reading “meraxes”

[tough parcel]

Waiting for the paper officially splitting the holotype and neotype Carcharodontosaurus

[chilly obsidian]

I was going off pure memory, Thanks

[woeful falcon]

Or rather, based on Liam's own Giga. But definitely influenced by Dan's, that much is obvious

[light osprey]

Just when Africa needed less Theropods

[white matrix]

Waiter waiter more abelisaurs pleas!

[sullen cairn]

*abelisaur teeth and dentary/maxillary fragments

[chilly obsidian]

I like these cave lions by [names of people who I don’t know] because nobody ever uses the cave paintings lions’ “tear” in reconstructions

[light osprey]

That’s different

I like those theropods

[white matrix]

Very nice artistic stuff

[light osprey]

But we need a Paravian record for Africa specifically

[heady thunder]

The gigachad prehistoric paleoartist giving us info we would probably never get to find out

[chilly obsidian]

I feel like that black tear is probably what makes the cave lion unique aside from where it lives

[light osprey]

They were the best of us

[chilly obsidian]

If only they had more colors to their disposal

I mean, is it really paleoart if you’re just drawing something that exists at the same time you do

[heady thunder]

Its not, I was just memeing.

[chilly obsidian]

Ye ik but it’s a question that I’m thinking about

[heady thunder]

I find cave paintings very cool, not just for them showing stuff we couldnt guess without them, but for the human aspect.

Proves to me that even thousands years before, our core was basically identical

[chilly obsidian]

What other animals do we know the color/appearance of because of cave paintings?

[white matrix]

I wanna say mammoths but I'm not confidently sure

[chilly obsidian]

I feel like mammoths we knew because of mummies but I’m also not sure

Why don’t we have any smilodon cave paintings

[olive moat]

Man whatever happened to that one mammoth clone thing?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[chilly obsidian]

afaik it's still ongoing, money and getting it to actually work is the issue

[surreal stone]

what is this, yesterday i thought it was something but now i think ot may be something else entirely

[tough parcel]

There's like 50 different projects allegedly going on, that doesn't narrow it down

[jagged trellis]

its the funny

[sullen cairn]

it ceratosauria indet so you can recon it as a ceratosaurid or abelisauroid

[chilly obsidian]

all 50 are struggling

[tough parcel]

Trug

[chilly obsidian]

both genetically and financially

[heady thunder]

They should merge and then maybe do smth

[surreal stone]

Right,
So i was incorrect, good to know

[sullen cairn]

the other one isn't necessarily incorrect, ceratosaurid or abelisauroid are both just as possible

[olive moat]

9.1m ceratosaurus (Totally not misinformation)

[sullen cairn]

although i will say i trust the abelisauroid scaling far more due to a far more robust sample than ceratosauridae's one taxon that actually has a femur

[surreal stone]

bro that aint no cerato

[olive moat]

Yes it is. Here's proof

Torvophaganax says so

[surreal stone]

@sullen cairn do you know enough to be able to scale this better

if it even is a cera

[light osprey]

Yes

[olive moat]

Are you suggesting Torvophaganax is wrong?

[sullen cairn]

its isometrically scaled with ceratosaurus
problem is the overwhelming majority of ceratosaurian taxa (ie the entirety of abelisauroidea) have allometric femoral scaling between taxa

[tough parcel]

This is actually so tiresome, even Table knows when a joke is done

[sullen cairn]

torvo told be lametasaurus' ilium is too large for the measurements to be correct because the length didn't match up with a scaled-up gat skeletal with an entirely reconstructed iliac blade

[neat drum]

i will scale a megatheropod toe fragment using a chicken(this will create a tyrannosaurus the size of argentinosaurus)

[surreal stone]

y e s

[surreal stone]

soooo… can you scale it better or no

[sullen cairn]

that would be this

[heady thunder]

Basically the same thing but no cerato outline

[olive moat]

That's complete blasphemy, what's next? Are you going to suggest that Torvophaganax's statements weren't intended to be taken as facts and were never even supposed to leave to confines of theropoda 2.0?

[sullen cairn]

good meter shorter though

[surreal stone]

…

[olive moat]

[mossy anchor]

What would dinosaur meat taste like? Would it taste similar to modern day bird or reptile? We obviously can’t know the exact taste, but I assume we know what kind of muscle they had, right?

[olive moat]

Probably like chicken

[surreal stone]

im a vegetarian, i cant help you here

[neat drum]

like ostrich or emu probably

carnivores were prob stringy like cat, dog, bear, etc.

[mossy anchor]

Stringy? I eat meat but dont know meat terms too well. Do you mean the difference between red meat and white meat?

[neat drum]

carnivores, because they run and are way more active than herbivores on average, and due to their low carb diets, have meat thats low in fat and stringer, tough and chewy, but flakes apart like pulled pork? its hard to explain you'd have to eat a carnivore to understand

[mossy anchor]

I eat cows, chicken, and pigs. I ate alligator today so i guess that might count?

[neat drum]

nah alligator is more akin to chicken texture wise

[tough parcel]

If you eat big dinosaur, it'd be terrible as iirc elephant meat is so tough, it needs several days to prepare

• livestock are specifically bred to be edible so

[mossy anchor]

That makes sense. I had it in sausage form so i didnt have a proper feel on its texture

[neat drum]

also would not eat a megatheropod

same reason its a bad idea to eat whales, sharks, and wolves, they are the end of the road for toxins and chemicals that the lower trophic things have eaten

[white matrix]

People make shark fin soup

[neat drum]

yes, and people still eat whales and wolves

doesn't make it a good idea

[surreal stone]

and they shouldnt

listen, people eat pufferfish soooo…

[white matrix]

spiky goober

[neat drum]

tyrannosaurus was prob loaded with all sorts of nasty chemicals

[surreal stone]

incredibly poisonois will likely kill you goober

[white matrix]

U.mmmmmm can i send pics here?

[mossy anchor]

People ate bats and you can guess how that turned out

[surreal stone]

ye

[white matrix]

Rate how accurate this trike is

Its my artworkk

[mossy anchor]

Pretty good i think the plant is pretty inaccurate tho ngl

[surreal stone]

its frill is too short, its neck id too long, a few other thinfs, overall 6.5/10

[white matrix]

Oooooooo okies
I will looks out for those points

The nek is not long it only has a curve cus its fattt

Ill do stego next or maybe stegoceratops
Need help choosing which

[tough parcel]

Genuine question: Is this actually meant to be accurate or are you yanking chains?

[white matrix]

Accurate (the spines on the back are paleontologically accurate)

[white matrix]

Aren't filaments like these speculative

Ye....

[tough parcel]

I see, gimme a second

[surreal stone]

yes but liekyl

[tough parcel]

(They're not likely)

[surreal stone]

fairly plausible

[tough parcel]

No

[white matrix]

Y3s

[surreal stone]

yes

[olive moat]

yes

[tough parcel]

The only animal with quills preserved is Psittacosaurus, which would mean Tyrannosaurus is fully feathered because it's the same relations as Yutyrannus

[white matrix]

No

[white matrix]

If they're that likely list a source, check mate

[olive moat]

no

[surreal stone]

yes… but thsr doesnt mean its unlikely for other creatures

[surreal stone]

TABLESEATING GET THE HECK IN HERE!

[tough parcel]

Considering we have multiple skin impressions from derived ceratopsians, including Trike, that show there were no quills, it does mean unlikely, if not outright impossible

[white matrix]

Table will say the opposite 90 percent sure

[white matrix]

There were quill knobs in the skin

[white matrix]

And the scource is All Yesterdays

[surreal stone]

i think they will say it’s fairly plausible

[white matrix]

Who's all yesterdays

[tough parcel]

Your source? All Yesterday's is a speculative book, not a fact book

[white matrix]

Ehhhhehehheehhe

[surreal stone]

its still all plausble

[tough parcel]

It isn't!!! As said here!!!

[white matrix]

Speculative is good enough for me than not thought of and denied
when tru

[tough parcel]

But it's been proven wrong

[surreal stone]

its talking about this one specific-oh my gosh dude

[compact leaf]

they had feature scales but large quill like structures over the majority of the body is just not a thing, it’s just wrong

[white matrix]

Troll account?

[tough parcel]

^^^^^^^^

[ancient crystal]

All I'm seeing here is that I can now say triceratops had nipples

[tough parcel]

I mean, I do that

[surreal stone]

since when did i say all over the body

[olive moat]

Triceratops nipples confirmed?!

[surreal stone]

fr

[white matrix]

I know that quills all over is innaccurate but like

just to lighten the mood i still cope over the fact diplodocus is reconstructed horizontally

[compact leaf]

didn’t say you did, but there isn’t a part of the body where quills are likely for it anywhere

diplodocus can’t seem to get reconstructed in a happy middle ground, it’s either horizontal or too vertical

[white matrix]

Anywayyy going away from freaking trike nipples should i draw stegosaurus or stegoceratops

[white matrix]

stegoceratops? is that a hybrid?

Yes

[tough parcel]

@white matrix

[alpine island]

Does anyone have a good Lambeo skeletal

[white matrix]

iirc hartmans?

Get one from scott harmans website

GAT has one as well

[white matrix]

I kinda wasnt going against a refrence but what app r u using?

[tough parcel]

Photoshop

[white matrix]

... i thought it was an art app lol

photoshop is great

Mhmmm

[tough parcel]

Photoshop is an art app

[white matrix]

Oh im gonna get it then

[tough parcel]

I only use it cause school sub

[white matrix]

pisco formation is beautiful (is miocene even though I have bias towards pleistocene)

[woeful falcon]

Boo cenozoic booOOo

[white matrix]

lock your doors blub

So stegoceratops or trike(redo)

[light osprey]

Nedoceratops >

[outer tusk]

AHHHHHH

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[lilac vale]

What drama I don’t see any drama

[ancient crystal]

Its been purged

[white matrix]

@light osprey More Pisco stuffs

[lilac vale]

Gimme some Livyatan action

[compact leaf]

such a cool formation

[white matrix]

agreed

[compact leaf]

the big croc and aquatic sloths is such a winning combination

[white matrix]

funny penguins as well

[lilac vale]

Got any good Livy stuff

[white matrix]

like general livyatan art?

[lilac vale]

Yeah

Isn’t Livy from pisco

[white matrix]

Yeah iirc

[lilac vale]

Do u

[crude latch]

Wait wait wait wait wait

[crude latch]

a q u a t i c s l o t h s ? That sounds so cool

[lilac vale]

Thalassocnus

[lilac vale]

Thx sm

[white matrix]

np

[lilac vale]

Pod of Livyatan vs a single 20.3 meter Meg who wins

[ancient crystal]

Probably the pod, but not through a kill. It would more likely be like bottlenoses harassing a great white until it leaves an area

[crude latch]

Correct answer, they don’t fight 💀

[ancient crystal]

Or that

[lilac vale]

Would they have hunted in pods

[crude latch]

Doubt it tbh

Maybe a pod of 2-3?

[ancient crystal]

Are female sperm whales larger than livyatan or is it just bull sperm whales?

[stiff osprey]

Just bulls

[ancient crystal]

Ah ok, I would've said that there is a predatory species of whale alive today that hunts in pods and are larger than livyatan

But bull sperm whales are solitary

[stiff osprey]

Almost all odontocetes are social to some degree, so

[light osprey]

White coloured marine animals are kind of underused imo

[compact leaf]

sperm whale sociality also varies a by locality and individual preference, sometimes males are an active part of the female pod sometimes they're solitary or live in bachelor groups, pods of males and females can both get pretty large though

some pods of females can get to like 50 members and most of them are related

[white matrix]

Is it though

[light osprey]

I think so (?)

[lavish frigate]

This got me wondering…..did non deinocheirid ornithomimids have a pygostyle?

[crude latch]

A w h a t ?

[magic monolith]

the end of the tail
where the feathers spurt out basically

[lavish frigate]

Silly fused tail Vertebrae in birds and funky Dino dudes that supports tail fans n stuff

[crude latch]

Oh

[alpine island]

Does anyone have a Hadrosaurus skeletal?

[surreal stone]

kinda old but still accurate

[pearl briar]

what's opd???

[surreal stone]

Old*

[pearl briar]

lol tpyo moment

[surreal stone]

Yeah

[pearl briar]

*typo
damn old keyboard

[surreal stone]

bro you just typod typo about typos correcting a typo

[tranquil quartz]

What are size estimates for the Dorset giant pliosaur?

[pearl briar]

safe estimates is 14.4-15 meters afaik
i could be wrong so take it with grain of salt 🙏

[rapid folio]

https://www.iflscience.com/75-million-year-old-fossil-is-first-ever-tyrannosaur-found-with-stomach-contents-71920

Apparently theropods were thigh enjoyers

[tranquil quartz]

Probably the only satisfying part of an Oviraptorosaur for a Tyrannosaur

[royal mural]

anywhere between 10-16m but the new post said smth like 10-12m

[light osprey]

I wonder if it really did make it to the Maastrichtian

[white matrix]

does anything support it?

[light osprey]

Well, referred material. Usually that never ends well

[rose thorn]

No

[sudden wind]

Deinocheirids may also have not had one. These may actually be just some few distal vertebrae that got fused together, not a bearing structure for a tail fan.

Anyway I would not necessarily give them a lot of feathers to these large basal multi-ton Ornithomimosaurs.

Or even any as for Deinocheirus to be honest.

[light osprey]

Deinocheirids aren’t really basal. Only phylogeny that put them as such was Hartman, who’s got a history of kind of wacky phylogeny’s

[white matrix]

Hartman has wacky phylogeny? never knew

[light osprey]

As per its integument, it’s not really a settled topic. I think a lot of assumptions on its thermoregulatory restrictions come from mischaracterisations of the eco-region it inhabited. The Nemegt was really quite a cool climate, and possibly the warmest sort of places this animal lived, as it was encompassed by a high-altitude steppe climate. Even the Southern deserts are modelled as cold-desert climates. And North-west we find areas so high they get to Sub-Arctic Climates. So it may have just as readily lost its feathery integument or it could’ve retained it.

[white matrix]

witton stuffs.

[light osprey]

Yeah it could look like that.

[pearl vortex]

hartman confidently mentioned the climate in nemegt was on the hotter side

[pearl vortex]

its possible

[light osprey]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018222005442#f0030 not really

[pearl vortex]

this outdated there is a new rendition in the 2023 abstract

[light osprey]

This came out in March

[pearl vortex]

and?

[light osprey]

It’s a brand new paper, what abstract are you referring to

[pearl vortex]

the 2023 by cau and co.

[white matrix]

first you said cau reassigned mylodon footprints to gomphothere tracks now you're saying cau reassigned climate in nemegt?

[pearl vortex]

Yeah did you not read the SVP?

[light osprey]

Oh damn it’s the same fellow

[white matrix]

I havent found anything

[light osprey]

It’s in the SVP? What page?

[pearl vortex]

my wifi is slow so you got to do some digging

[pearl vortex]

it was somewhere around page 400 though

[white matrix]

@light osprey I think this dude is bs 😐

[pearl vortex]

i'm not my guy

[light osprey]

You’d be correct

[pearl vortex]

i am?

[light osprey]

No, not you, TK

[pearl vortex]

im not lying though??

[white matrix]

mods can we- <@&538079608914968587>

[bitter oasis]

Thank you for the quick tag

[heady thunder]

Well I gotta thank roo for the quick deletion

[bitter oasis]

As this happened before, do feel free to tag any of us if another account seems suspicious or sends similar content again.

[frosty anvil]

Actually deranged holy moly

[ancient crystal]

Pretty sure its alt accounts

[frosty anvil]

Back to paleo talk

I hope an entelodont comes back from extinction just to maul him then vanish

[sage cave]

Saw a very well preserved skull of a plesiosaur (dunno if I spelled it right)

[ancient crystal]

You did

[sage cave]

woohoo

[heady thunder]

A cave lion would be more on point

[sage cave]

Trying to find the post rq hold pls

[white matrix]

Do yall know about the could be new largest raptor the world bissekty giant?

oh dear

[bright veldt]

It’s a toe bone. Nobody actually cares.

[sullen cairn]

look at ulughbeg being a potentially dromaeosaurid
remember its just maxillary fragments anyways so who cares
remember big brazilian abelisaur is a premaxilla
crap

reason #35 i prefer carch ulugbeg

[clever sable]

It's fragmentary garbage and should never be considered in a serious discussion about size

[alpine island]

Would it be cool if there was a dromaeosaur that size? Sure, but it’s so fragmentary that there is no way anyone in good faith can use it in a serious discussion

[lavish frigate]

https://youtu.be/pDtpEiMyGT4 birds are dinosaurs. Therefore Serina is a dinosaur spec evo

[white matrix]

What is that video

[crude latch]

A video on the popular Spec Evo known as The Epic of Serina

[white matrix]

Ohhhhh

[white matrix]

do we have anything mesozoic thats homogeneous to the pisco formation?

[light osprey]

Hmm

Do you mean the depositional environment, or the big marine faunal assemblage

[white matrix]

depositional enviorment

[light osprey]

It’s hard to get that kind of resolution in Mesozoic stuff, but I know La Colonia is a neritic / lagoonal type environment

[white matrix]

I see no decent assemblage with pterosaurs on the coastal side?

[light osprey]

Oh, Ouled Abdoun has that. Mocuio is similar just not as well worked

[white matrix]

I love how Ouled already has three abelisaurs (2 being indet)

[light osprey]

Africa moment

But hey, probable Hadrosauroids in Mocuio

[white matrix]

I thought SA was the thing with abelisaurs

[light osprey]

SA also has diversity in other clades represented. Late Cretaceous Africa is just Abelisaurs/Titanosaurs

[compact leaf]

in the north at least, who knows what’s going on in southern africa

[light osprey]

Hey like I said, Hadrosauroids in Angola

[compact leaf]

south africa, northern europe, and appalachia are where I’m predicting some real oddballs

[sullen cairn]

...such as brachiosaurids

[light osprey]

Northern Asia is the forbidden fruit no one has touched

[compact leaf]

hey I didn’t say it this time, only implied the possibility

[compact leaf]

that one too but it isn’t quite as isolated from known areas, still probably a lot of weirdness going on

[white matrix]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2023.2286272

hey guys so larramendi's is making equations for proboscidean tusk sizes

[compact leaf]

as if they weren't already cursed enough, now larramendi is onto them

[white matrix]

trug...

[sage cave]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/dec/09/david-attenborough-film-tells-of-risky-mission-to-excavate-t-rex-of-the-seas-from-dorset-cliff?fbclid=IwAR06yqmtGFusePniG82K-FZuRLF9U-bjBpmNshzd0ChzTxTypWz3rGHzNSs

[opaque jacinth]

Anyone have an accurate allo ?

[surreal stone]

like… paleoart, or a skeletal

[opaque jacinth]

Skeletal. Working on a allo remodel

[surreal stone]

lemme find it real quock

@opaque jacinth

[opaque jacinth]

Tyyyyy

[frosty anvil]

my brain simply explodes thinking about the sheer diversity of life that existed on our planet millions of years ago

millions of years ago... think about that....
i know its silly to just talk about paleontology in this manner but still. dang.

[surreal stone]

yw