paleontology

[proper hornet]

It was a upscale to fit 3 slot size

Was Fasola bipedal? Because I would have to rework my whole suggestion instead of changing the dino

Dumb question

[chilly knot]

Lump with raptorex

[frosty anvil]

I keep forgetting if raptorex was a real animal or some uncreative hybrid that a 6 year old child came up with - "ah yes lets blend a velociraptor and a rex together"

[bright veldt]

It’s not a dumb question don’t you worry. I don’t think it’s entirely clear but likely quadrupedal.

[proper hornet]

Then it could possibly work

[proper hornet]

Mind if I dm you for quick help with the playable suggestion?

[bright veldt]

Sure

[vocal breach]

Where barina

[bright veldt]

That’s just an actual crocodile

[vocal breach]

How big

[proper hornet]

Alright

[bright veldt]

Sebecid anyway. It’s also 7 meters long.

[vocal breach]

[flat pond]

Meanwhile one the smaller end of things.

[fossil ingot]

Whats that?

[flat pond]

Trilophosuchus

[fossil ingot]

Tbh i love this cute fella

[flat pond]

A genus of mekosuchinae

Well this thing is tiny, I’d say probably the smallest crocodilian to have ever been around if the specimen was an adult.

Makes me want to have a land crocodilian to play as now

[white matrix]

We're getting Kapro soon

[flat pond]

True but prehistoric Australian crocodilians are a bit underrated.

[tough parcel]

A) Kapro isn't more terrestial than say, a Cuban croc

B) Aussie crocs are bad

[flat pond]

Aussie crocs are bad because of the very little remains that are found?

[tough parcel]

Yarp + last I checked, horribly, poorly described

[flat pond]

Eh, fair point

[flat pond]

I still give points to Trilophosuchus for being cute

But oh well at least I’m getting Puru

[wide glen]

I’m trying to do dinosaur drawings for practice and stuff so how good is this australovenator skeletal I found?

[tough parcel]

AFAIK not that good

[wide glen]

Any good australovenator skeletal you can give me?

[tough parcel]

@wide glen (Tagging ya so you can find it easier )

[wide glen]

Thank u my kind sir

More megaraptorian then I was expecting

[tough parcel]

I mean... Australovenator is a megaraptoran?

[flat pond]

I find it interesting that they compare Trilophosuchus to dwarf crocodiles and dwarf caiman, which I own the later, but still very interesting.

[wide glen]

Wrong wording australovenator is more chunky then expected I know some megaraptorans are chunky but the small hump on austra surprised me

[tough parcel]

Ahhh I see, megaraptorans are horribly fragmentary across the board except Australo (even then, idk how much exactly is preserved)

[sullen cairn]

australo's really only particularly complete in that has its limbs still

[clever sable]

This is all the austro material from what I can tell

[tough parcel]

Guh

[sullen cairn]

there's some assigned phalanges fragments or something as well that are marginally larger than the holotype

[cloud dagger]

If that’s all the material of austro how we can tell its back was arched like on the pic gaulicho sent? There seems to be more straight backed megaraptorans too

[stiff osprey]

This just uses Aerosteon/Tratayenia proportions, I think it's likely Australovenator had a straighter back and less deep torso but we can't prove it at the moment

[somber tartan]

Opinions on life on our planets inostrancevia? (Ik they call it just a gorgonopsid but idc im calling it inost)

I personally love it 100%, wish it had more screen time tho

[snow python]

How big was Mourasuchus?

[white matrix]

I liked it, especially the choice of giving it lips

[tough parcel]

https://vxtwitter.com/Paleosculpts/status/1724160339212730507

Not all that good

[bright veldt]

It’s not terrible but it’s definitely in the “broad strokes are decent but it needs another draft” like the rex

[sullen cairn]

scaled the actually referable to rugops kem kem thing

[clever sable]

It stands no chance against the mighty krytop

[fallow citrus]

how heavy would an “average sized” apatosaurus be?

[stiff osprey]

not enough specimens have been measured to make an average

But the best specimen is CM 3018, which is like 24 tons

[fallow citrus]

ooh, okay. thankies

[tulip dove]

Speaking of Apato, wasn't there a massive specimen?

[stiff osprey]

there's 40+ tonners in oklahoma yeah

[tulip dove]

Yeah, that one

[stiff osprey]

but they could be Brontosaurus as well

[bright veldt]

Indeterminate apatosaurine #25

[white matrix]

the thing in your pfp isn't a dino

mb, no wait you edited it before it was "dino" first

[tranquil quartz]

Atopodentatus is not a dinosaur

[limpid glen]

brachi

[white matrix]

Dinosaurs are reptiles too

[sullen cairn]

no they're birds

[west coral]

they’re both

[leaden elm]

New spinosaurus at the field museum

[white matrix]

real

[lavish frigate]

Inaccurate! Inaccurate I say! That head crest got revamped! Grrrrrr only perfection!

[abstract flame]

I went there in Frebruary ._.

[tough parcel]

Tbf, there's no proof it's Spino proper so erm no

[compact leaf]

did a head crest thing actually come out? or are we breaking embargo again

[tough parcel]

It was mentioned in a news article, but the photos are embargoed, yes

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-stop-playing-stop-talking-quit-it-gif-17001953

[tough parcel]

[lilac vale]

All birds are dinosaurs but not all dinosaurs are birds

[tough parcel]

Don't correct them, Table is a notorious troll and misinformation spreader. Imo, they should be locked in jail for their crimes

[lavish frigate]

Replace table with pure and post it in Arazoa or PT and you’ll get many people agreeing 💀

[tough parcel]

Trug...

[compact leaf]

are we witch hunting table now? for their notorious crimes against abelisauridae?

[tough parcel]

Yes!

[lavish frigate]

Crimes against abelisaurs should be punishable by death. If not for justice alone then at least because my spec evo project is Abelisaurs so I care for them 💀

[west coral]

Don’t forget the one time they turned alberta the size of protoceratops

[tough parcel]

Hey, that was funny af

[west coral]

still a crime

[compact leaf]

I say this knowing fully that if I started scaling miscellaneous sauropod bits I would commit horrible crimes against god

[west coral]

do it

[compact leaf]

I would but I don't have the effort

[leaden elm]

Huh good eye, is it missing the gastralia too or did spinosaurus not have those?

[lavish frigate]

Are gastralia not a thing for all dinosaurs or am I a forgetful boi

[leaden elm]

I think you're right

[tough parcel]

I’d imagine it’s hard to suspend all those tiny bones on a floating skeleton, but idk about museum mounts enough

All theropods should have gastralia

[leaden elm]

Yeah I think you're right

[compact leaf]

yeah their other mounts have gastralia I'm just assuming it's really hard to give them to a suspended mount

[leaden elm]

Lol it would be hard I imagine

[spring lichen]

I adore being in penned here with so many people who know more about dinosaurs than me, it's so cool

[sullen cairn]

Y’know I was gonna to disagree with this but I really can’t

[flat pond]

Gotta admit, they made Tarbosaurus interesting with its behavior.

https://youtu.be/yTgSxP3lJPQ?si=-FE9nx1mrGD7BcTs

[sullen cairn]

baryonyx walkeri with loosely speculative soft tissue and limb articulation

[lavish frigate]

Quadrupedal Bary makes me want to commit a felony

[storm heron]

"loosely"

[tranquil quartz]

It looks so cool yet so goofy at the same time

[snow python]

Is alamotyrannus a valid genus or just a big rex?

[bright veldt]

latter, or possibly a second species of Tyrannosaurus

[flat pond]

I mean, they took what they could do with Tarbo the best they could do since Universal did want them to use the CC design but they tweaked it a bit to help it out some. Honestly the other color palettes that it is able to have makes it look better than the colors it has in CC. Also making it roll on the ground like a dog is actually kind of cool compared to the other large theropods.

[sudden wind]

"Tarbo is not unique!! You cannot differenciate from T.Rex!!"
Tarbo :
T.rex :

Though we indeed have some very robust Tarbo that lean toward T.rex like appearances.
https://fxtwitter.com/kta92751434/status/1700755807045087405?s=46&t=cDLUS8KUvySwENm6daWWuw
https://fxtwitter.com/ausar_the/status/1504256769589235714?s=46&t=H2GbZlCtjJzgMcESVWmA2A

[viscid surge]

I’m not very in-the loop right now with this stuff, but is the consensus tarbosaurus bataar or tyrannosaurus bataar?

[sudden wind]

Anyway i shall now disappear as I have to to finish data processing help me

[sudden wind]

Tarbosaurus bataar. But both T.rex and T.bataar are sister taxon so you could lump them tbf. As far as I know both are pretty diagnostic and more fossils from intermediate animals (or Tyrannosaurinis) would be needed to clear out this situation.
I think they both have some of their own synapomorphies, which indicates that they could be 2 separate taxon. Anyway classification in paleontology works a bit different than zoological classification and in both it is quite suggestive.

[tacit pine]

Pot should have added tarbo instead of rex 🥱

They anyways wanted to add fancy names to most creatures

[flat pond]

I wasn’t saying that Tarbosaurus couldn’t be differentiated from Tyrannosaurus, I do agree that it should be quite slimmer than Tyrannosaurus and the spike be toned down a bit but I was saying it behaves differently in game somewhat. Most of the larger theropods, when laying on the ground simply rub their head on the ground while Tarbo rolls on the ground fully as if to scratch its back. It acts cautiously when exiting the hatchery compared to many of them bursting out of the gate. Those are the details that I like about Tarbo in JWE2.

[viscid surge]

I see

[white matrix]

I really want to input my opinion on if the tarbo and trex are related

[compact leaf]

well we know they’re related the debate comes from whether or not tarbosaurus is it’s own genus or a species of tyrannosaurus, as of right now it’s regarded as different enough to warrant its own genus

[white matrix]

Well they are in the same family

That's what I gathered from a bit of research

[lavish frigate]

Woah are we talking about my favorite animal Tyrannosaurus bataar again?!

[white matrix]

Well the tarbosaurus became my new favorite dino recently

[lavish frigate]

The consensus is 100% only ever Tyrannosaurus bataar. I am definitely not lying to get you on my side

[viscid surge]

[white matrix]

I believe you

[lavish frigate]

Ok but fr though I wouldn’t doubt that they share a genus. Just look at animals today in the same genus, some species are more gracile, some species are more robust, Bataar isn’t even that much more gracile or anything. If Tyrannosaurus was alive today we’d probably recognize Tarbosaurus as a species of Tyrannosaurus

[white matrix]

I have screenshot the facts of that

[lavish frigate]

I give you wolf and coyote

[white matrix]

Here is what I screenshot

[viscid surge]

Reminder that channa micropeltes and channa andrao are in the same genus

[white matrix]

Same family group 2 different genus

[analog tendon]

How accurate is the pot Alioramus?

[white matrix]

That's a good question actually

This is a size comparison to the other members of tyrannosauridae family

[sullen cairn]

oh this is why everyone uses 31.5cm for rugops

despite the study explicitly on abelisauroid dimensions using 44.4cm

[rose thorn]

It’s fine for what we have of the animal. None of the alioramines we have are fully grown animals, so it’s not quite clear what may have happened to their skeletal proportions as they reached maturity (outside growing larger)

Worst thing may be the crests being too large, but again, all of what we have of Alioramus isn’t mature so them being big in PoT’s is fine

[analog tendon]

Sweet thanks! It’s been my fav Dino since starting to play pot so I was curious if it was another stego situation 😭

[heady thunder]

Stego is not bad tho

[analog tendon]

No it’s not that bad it’s definitely a stego

[heady thunder]

It could be better, bigger plates would be nice.

[compact leaf]

stegos biggest problem is that it’s proportioned after an immature individual, that and the lack of throat armor

[white matrix]

PK ourano

[compact leaf]

another pk w

[flat pond]

Indeed

Especially like a skin like this that makes it stand out

[tulip dove]

PK just keeps cooking some of the best dino designs

[nocturne gazelle]

Throat armor?

[lilac vale]

Their Rex needs lips

[compact leaf]

that stuff

I’m not entirely sure if it would actually show through or not but it had it

[nocturne gazelle]

So stego needs facetank as an ability

[heady thunder]

It looks like it has diseases

[tranquil quartz]

Why does stego have throat greyscale

[light osprey]

Why not

[candid igloo]

Hey guys, quick question.
As you all know, the vision we have of spinos is constantly being changed, so what is it currently? I just watched a video by Paleologic saying they were sort of semi-aquatic, but that was 1 year ago, anybody know anything new?

[stiff osprey]

Semi-aquatic just means an animal spends a lot of time in water, which is accurate, Spinosaurus did

Doesn't have to be the majority of its time, animals like water voles are considered semiaquatic but mostly live on land

[candid igloo]

Yes obviously, but it’s constantly changing so I just wanted to check

[lavish frigate]

Spinosaurus had the ecological niche of a duck and nobody can tell me otherwise

[sullen cairn]

benthic durophage

[light osprey]

Suspension feeder

[west coral]

filter feeder

[compact leaf]

sift feeder

[white matrix]

aerial hunter

[scenic flame]

radiotrophe

[fallow citrus]

arboreal hunter

[tranquil quartz]

It was clearly a parasite, which spent its whole life attached to Carcharodontosaurus

[steady rock]

table, can you compare the largest tarbo with the average sinoceratops?

[tough parcel]

Erm...do the smallest Sinoceratops and the largest Tarbosaurus to properly reflect population demographics

[stiff osprey]

either sino's smaller than i thought or the EVIL table used the more complete holotype as average instead of factoring in the larger specimen known from a random glupshitto bone fragment

[little mauve]

Have you scaled the giant Hypsibema material? Not sure if that's doable or not

Would be interested in that plus Appalachiosaurus for the tyrannosaur/hadrosaur chart

[steady rock]

now do average tarbo and average sinoceratop

[storm heron]

What is the big Sinoceratops specimen known from again?

[stiff osprey]

a skull iirc

[storm heron]

Im assuming its a skull fragment?

[rose thorn]

And this is one of the largest centrosaurines..

[limpid glen]

whats iirc??

[light osprey]

…erm

[steady rock]

what?

[tough parcel]

If I Recall Correctly = iirc

[light osprey]

Why would you compare outlying sized Individuals of one taxa to averages of another 😭

[steady rock]

because i thought average sinoceratops was 4.6 tons while the largest tarbo was like, 5.5 tons

[white matrix]

P.S. we don’t have an average for like 90+% of fossil taxa, most largest specimens are the only specimens, especially with dinosaurs

[limpid glen]

thx!!

[tough parcel]

[spare knot]

is ourano considered to be primarily bipedal? idk much about ourano

lookin at the skeleton, looks impossible to be quad xD

[bright veldt]

It was a mix

[storm heron]

This could be my intrepretation but, dont the arms of Ouranosaurus seem too small for it to be walking efficiently on all fours?

[white matrix]

Would we even realistically be able to care for a Rex in captivity? Doesn't seem like it to me

[ancient crystal]

I don't see why not, unless its like a Great White scenerio where the animal gives up by default when put in captivity

[storm heron]

It depends on the behavior of Tyrannosaurus rex,

[white matrix]

I dunno I don't think it's a stretch for Ourano to walk on all fours

[storm heron]

Some animals do not do well in captivity,

[white matrix]

Ignoring behavior, would we be able to provide enough food and space for a Rex?

[storm heron]

Having small legs doesn't mean you can't walk on fours yes, but Ouranosaurus' front limbs are extremely small compared to its hind legs.

[white matrix]

And?

[ancient crystal]

I wouldn't doubt we'd be able to provide enough food, space would probably be an issue though

[storm heron]

It just seems inefficient to me to use its front limbs for locomotion when it can just walk better bipedally .

[stiff osprey]

Any zoo that can provide for two or three polar bears can provide for a T.rex

(this is not an exaggeration, an 8 ton theropod's food requirements are equal about two 500kg mammals)

[white matrix]

I mean if other hadros are a good reference, I feel it's safe to assume Ourano was quadrupedal

[storm heron]

Alright It seems I severely misremembered the size of their front limbs. Yea I can see them walking in fours.

[stiff osprey]

standing quadrupedally to graze, probably

but it's clearly moving bipedally if it wants to actually get anywhere

[storm heron]

Yea, that is what I was thinking

[light osprey]

The comparative of all time

[storm heron]

But then I see some other skeletal recons of it in a quadruped stance, and it seems it can comfortably walk so I am a little unsure.

[stiff osprey]

This skeletal was definitely changed proportion wise compared to Hartman's quadrupedal one

[storm heron]

Yea, speaking of, which one is more accurate? or are they both good?

[sullen cairn]

this is what quad ourano looks like

[stiff osprey]

I have no idea, Ouranosaurus was on my to do list once but it's been killed and buried by real life work

[storm heron]

If that frontlimb can support its front body, then yea I can see it walking on fours (But you aint convincing me it ran on all fours).

[stiff osprey]

Aside from the fact that it's going to crush its tiny ballerina fingers, it looks like it can move decently

[white matrix]

I feel like Ourano's digits were probably not as dainty as they look

[storm heron]

Reminds me of a human moving quadrupedally but using their fingers.

[stiff osprey]

eughghg

I saw a diagram of that once and it was offensive to my eyes

[storm heron]

Oooof

[white matrix]

Reminder that Rex could bench around 400lbs with its arms

[sullen cairn]

ourano manus for reference

[storm heron]

Stubby carpals and phalanges

Though, I wonder how the ROM of the shoulder is.

[rose thorn]

Ourano doesn't have the weight bearing flesh mitt like later iguanodontians if I'm not mistaken, so that mixed with the small hands isn't a good recipe for prolonged quad use

[light osprey]

Looks unpleasant, therefore must be less plausible

[sullen cairn]

the paper describes the unguals as hoof-like although it doesn't elaborate much on what that actually entails

[rose thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/357497943634345984/1179838475105734776/Ourano3.png?ex=657b3d34&is=6568c834&hm=2a74590d33581bdd57faf68a34895c6125feb511ec792bc058cf5315b30adbb8&

[sullen cairn]

well the paper mentions another paper says that but it doesn't seem to rebut the statement either

[rose thorn]

Love early ornithopod gait discourse

[light osprey]

He looks like a biped sort of goober

[sullen cairn]

but yeah i think we can all agree it was largely if not almost entirely bipedal for general locomotion

[rose thorn]

Tenontosaurus, Camptosaurus, and Ouranosaurus, the permanent "So are we sure it's biped??"

[sullen cairn]

and of course baryonyx

[light osprey]

Trug…

[rose thorn]

Kill it

[stiff osprey]

The amount of times I've seen it discussed whether Mantellisaurus was bipedal or not is almost equal to the amount of times Mantellisaurus is mentioned at all

[light osprey]

Unironically looks right 😈

[sullen cairn]

um dempsey made it quad so its quad and wait i made i biped edit of that thing

[spare knot]

me at 3 am gettin a glass of water

[stiff osprey]

We could have this today if some rando in the 90s didn't decide that theropods were forbidden from pronating their hands

[sullen cairn]

i just remembered i also lost said biped edit because my computer nuked all my skeletal stuff five minutes after i made that baryonyx

worth it

[rose thorn]

Looks at all the other iguanodontians that lived with Iguanodon that never get mentioned

Poor Brighstoneus, Barilium, and Hypselospinus

[stiff osprey]

reminds me of when i cropped my iguanodon skeletal to make a meme and my computer shut itself off making me lose a day's worth of progress

[sullen cairn]

pretend this isn't brightstoneus and we're good

[stiff osprey]

woah.... mantellisaurus

[sullen cairn]

😠

[rose thorn]

What's the consensus?

[stiff osprey]

I envy paleontologists in the victorian era tbh all they had to do when they found new remains was decide if they were Megalosaurus, Iguanodon, or Titanosaurus sp.

[sullen cairn]

shoulda kept it that way tbh

[rose thorn]

We love wastebasket genera

[light osprey]

wastebasket speciose ☺️

[woeful falcon]

retweets

[sullen cairn]

welcome to megalosaurus, we have the abyss, including but not limited to, megalosaurus dunkeri (which isn't the same as altispinax dunkeri) and megalosaurus chubutensis (which isn't the same as tyrannotitan chubutensis) and there is a nonzero chance may be a 10m+ abelisaur, among other wonderful nomen dubia

[woeful falcon]

Tapping the ground this one

[sullen cairn]

brightstoneus has a stupid looking skull ngl

[rose thorn]

Smh, and when are we gonna name American Ourano? Or erect a new tribe of sail backed iguanodonts since there's like 4 at this point
https://vxtwitter.com/SerpenIllus/status/899628762870034432?t=wAHO7kai2QOLbB0nLwlj3g&s=19

[woeful falcon]

Not incorrect. It could almost have a good looking skull if it didn't looked stretched out in mspaint

[rose thorn]

It really is just long for no reason with a stupid knot

[woeful falcon]

retweets this too

[rose thorn]

Selective feeder moment

[sullen cairn]

i like how its ostensibly literally just iguanodon with a sail

[stiff osprey]

nonavian dinosaurs when they're told the function has bony display structures

[light osprey]

Neural spines when they exist

[rose thorn]

Iguanodonts/Hadrosaurs when you tell them don't throw their backs out: Magnapaulia

[woeful falcon]

Shoulda just evolved feathers smh the coelurosaurs be KILLING it with em

[sullen cairn]

this and many more reasons is why spinosaurids are actually lambeosaurines

[stiff osprey]

-tall spine
-proposed to be quadrupedal
-semiaquatic (snorkel parasaurolophus theory)

yeah they seem similar enough

[light osprey]

Sciurumimus erasure

[rose thorn]

Not even just lambeosaurs. Barsboldia/Saurolophus and Shantungosaurus have suddenly tall spines over the sacrum

[light osprey]

Saurolophinae polyphyletic 💯

[ruby patio]

The extremely thick skull GIN 107/1 is likely laterally compressed. Note how its length is only 103 cm (when measuring with the scale bar). That is a lot less than the average skull length of Tarbosaurus, (for example: the skull length of ZPAL MgD-1/4 (the narrow one in the group of images you posted) is longer at 110 cm.

[sullen cairn]

appalachiosaurus and giant hypsibema

[bright veldt]

I forgot about that hadrosauroid

[woeful falcon]

I can see why

[bright veldt]

pfff

[woeful falcon]

I actually didn't know about it til right this second tbh

[bright veldt]

I’ve heard of it because of it being pretty massive. It’s the largest named Appalachian dinosaur tmk.

[sullen cairn]

you could probably argue astrophocaudia or one of the other albian sauropods are appalachian
that or they just miss the splitting of NA

wait astrophocaudia is tiny lmao

and why is there referred cedarosaurus material in paluxy

[subtle sand]

Hello there. Quick contest, I'm a student in game design, and we regularly have to create game concepts.
I have a game in mind, a game that make use of ancient mammals that lived between the paleocene and the miocene, and I need some info.

For now, regarding carnivorous species, this is my roster :

-Andrewsarcus : Brawler
-Hyenodon : Pursuit/ambush hunter
-Entelodont : Pursuit/scavenger/omnivore.
-Terror bird : Full pursuit
-Smilodon : Ambush/Brawler.

Because these are quite big animals, I would love to add a smaller predator, one that use pack hunting to make it more unique. Do you have suggestions?

[bright veldt]

I would recommend Cave Hyenas, given that hyenas are pretty underrepresented in Cenozoic media despite them essentially being THE top predator of Ice Age Eurasia

[subtle sand]

@bright veldt I saw your suggestion just after seeing a Instagram post about these creatures. The fact I scared of hyenas might make it a good challenge, or traumatized me even more when doing research 😂

[subtle sand]

Quick question, do Cave hyenas do well in hotter climate? Because the environment of the game is far from being an Ice age

[candid igloo]

Hey does anyone have a good phylogenetic tree for sauropodomorpha? I can’t find any complete ones online

I found some for theropoda and ornithischia but sauropodomorpha

[bright veldt]

Cave Hyenas are spotted hyenas. Just a larger subspecies. They'll be fine.

[light osprey]

If it includes Titanosauriformes in some detail there is no such thing.

[candid igloo]

The only one that is seems kind of complete has Titanosauriformes so idk

[flat pond]

This literally a topic that I’m going over in my college level Biology class. Thought I’m going in a lot of details for it since de-extinction is a very interesting subject.

[bright veldt]

That topic reminds me of a very interesting youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIK9Jm2zv5g

[lucid ibex]

Can i get some accurate deinonychus to human size comparisons? They might need to be upper estimates because it’s for a creative project of mine

[bright veldt]

by @tough parcel

[magic monolith]

Sp means we know the genus but not species right?
Just checking

[sullen cairn]

indeterminate species yeah

[vapid lotus]

sp mean space pop

[sullen cairn]

sp is short for sans undertale

[vapid lotus]

sans papyrus

[snow python]

Accurate?

[bright veldt]

What even is it6?

[stiff osprey]

Himalayasaurus?

[woeful falcon]

Beth

[vapid lotus]

perucetus

[lavish frigate]

Why is heli so big?!

[bright veldt]

Yeah it's huge. Basically as big as leedsichthys.

[lavish frigate]

Wait how big is Leeds

[bright veldt]

12 meters, 17 tons. Helicoprion can get to the same length and is only slightly lighter.

[sudden wind]

Afaik, the narrow one is the one that's badly restored while the thicker appearance would be what was the skull actually like.

[lilac vale]

Need a Tarbosaurus mod

[sudden wind]

So they'd be broader than what they are most commonly represented :
https://fxtwitter.com/Sketchy_raptor/status/1730487018256269423#m
https://fxtwitter.com/Sketchy_raptor/status/1730477984740474955

Also laterally compressed mean that they are squashed on the sides, and so are thinner than what they are expected to be in life animal. So I don't really know what you meant by that except if you confused it with "dorsally".

More examples used restored uncompressed/undistorded materials.

[sudden wind]

KTO has one planned.

[lilac vale]

Thank god

[sudden wind]

I hope their mods will come out more regularly after Pachyrhinosaurus.

[candid igloo]

I’ve been out of the paleo community for too long. I’ve forgotten everything, I had to look up what ornithischians were this morning. I have sunk low

[white matrix]

Howdy howdy everyone

[heady thunder]

So like let me see if I understand it correctly, this model here, the skull is too thin or just right?

[viscid surge]

So sperm whale niche? Large squid eater?

[bright veldt]

Largely soft-bodied prey yeah, but I think it's been shown to have enough force to go through ammonites and nautiloids too

[heady thunder]

https://blog.everythingdinosaur.com/blog/_archives/2012/10/29/theory-on-how-t-rex-tackled-triceratops-for-dinner.html#:~:text=The scientists postulate that this,the Triceratops bony neck frill.

@white field

[compact leaf]

it does have enough to go through some shells but it also has the whole thing where it’s jaw moving just sort of rips them out of the shell

[white field]

It's an interesting theory but that's exactly what it is. The evidence they found was stated to have happened after the triceratops was already dead. Lots of modern predators do the same, just on a different scale. Hyenas and even outdoor house cats behead corpses.

[heady thunder]

Well, yeah

[tacit pine]

wtf

[sudden wind]

These are right.

Just not the super stupid thin ones

[heady thunder]

So all the Tarbo skulls shown here are good then

[safe pier]

How long do you think an allosaurus could run for?

[civic lava]

Jugamos

[ruby patio]

They may be broader, but that particular example is likely too broad and has been compressed. ZPAL MgD 107-2 is an example of a very broad skulled (and broad bodied) Tarbosaurus.

Ah, found its skull

Mount

[sullen cairn]

I am happy to announce that you can downsize giant sino to <6t if you scale it with the sty gdi snout-femur instead of total length

[white matrix]

Stop downsizing 😡

[west coral]

wasn’t it already under 6T

[sullen cairn]

it was like 7t

the holotype was 4t
although i guess that'd shrink too

saying that it seems to go back up to 6.5t scaling femur-coracoid

[white matrix]

better

[sullen cairn]

stupid animal

[hallow spear]

real

[sullen cairn]

actually y'know what sinoceratops is like a conceptually stupid animal
like this thing shouldn't exist

its the single ceratopsid in asia and also a 6t+ centrosaurine just hanging around in the middle of the campanian

[hallow spear]

lmao

[white matrix]

Why work with it

[sullen cairn]

cause gat's skeletal is an ugly potato and i must fix it

[white matrix]

You should totally make your own skeletal (real)

[sullen cairn]

i'm 90% sure the majority of the material in gat's skeletal is sitting around chinese collections at which point i'd be left with a wendiceratops headswap or something

yet another reason this is a stupid animal

[white matrix]

probably should stick with abelisaurs for now

[sullen cairn]

but all the new papers are closed access and about random teeth

now i would gladly scale the teeth but the closed-access part puts a slight damper in things

[white matrix]

tyrannosaurs? You made a chart afaik

[sullen cairn]

i was working on some basal ones until the hand of god smit me for making quad bary

[idle talon]

Is giraffatitan a valid genus?

[compact leaf]

yes

[west coral]

Kill two birds with one stone, make a quad theri or deinoch or both

[white matrix]

Make pug quad and give them wings

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[steady rock]

what was the largest paleogene - cenozic land predator?

[west coral]

Barinasuchus iirc

[steady rock]

how big?

[tough parcel]

50 tons (2 tons)

[steady rock]

crazy

[west coral]

big

[steady rock]

is there a list of top ten largest terrestial predators of the ceneozoic

[white matrix]

Paraentelodon, Arctodus, Megistotherium are some I know

[west coral]

Here’s nine but add paraentelodon

[white matrix]

and Megistotherium

[steady rock]

urus looks so sad

[tough parcel]

Yea, it's blue

[white matrix]

The Barina looks like it's informing that priest for scale that its Meg friend asked for no pickles on their burger

Btw why do so many creature size charts use the weirdest for scale humans?

[light osprey]

Ursus maritimus surprises me with its size

[tough parcel]

Because it's a type of signature + it's funny

[white matrix]

I've seen so many that use anime girls for scale

[tough parcel]

Uhh yea?? That's a problem???

[white matrix]

Of course not, just amusing

[ancient crystal]

I saw a size chart the other day that used king kong so anything is possible

[tough parcel]

Trug...

[west coral]

tried to make a chart with big cenozoic land carnivores

[lavish frigate]

General accuracy rating on my boi I drew last night when I was bored?

[west coral]

key word tried

[white matrix]

you forgot populator

[light osprey]

Greatest thing my eyes have laid witness to

[lavish frigate]

Any accuracy criticisms though?

[white matrix]

gives me albertosaurine vibes ngl

[lavish frigate]

i exaggerate the keratin in the lacrimal crests when I do Tyrannosaurs. That’s probably why

[west coral]

i dislike him im pretty sure amphimachiarodus was larger than populator

[white matrix]

Populator is the biggest cat atm

[sullen cairn]

operation make neutral sino not look stupid attempt 2

i am growing increasingly perturbed by this thing's monkey tail

[stiff osprey]

looks pretty good except the soft tissue distribution on the neck is mildly disturbing

[white matrix]

I meant more in weight being ~900lbs not sure of amphis weight estimates

[stiff osprey]

you mean 900 lbs right

900 kg is arctodus/andrewsarchus sized

[white matrix]

pounds ye mistyped kg

[west coral]

1 ton smilodon

[sullen cairn]

now i'm actually curious if there's a single gat ceratopsid without hideous inferred postcrania

[white matrix]

Do you know any estimates of amphi?

[light osprey]

The nares should probably be a lil bit further up on the pre-maxilla

[stiff osprey]

I heard it was close to 800 lbs, which is large but not as big as S.populator or the Ngadong tiger

[lavish frigate]

In layman terms I believe this translates to “move them booger holes up more” if I’m correct?

[light osprey]

The booger holes yep 😎

[lavish frigate]

Maybe I’ll keep his design for my new lil project I might be doing about prehistoric animals in the modern day

[hallow spear]

Why is it so big

[sullen cairn]

because i'm using gat's scaling until i remember the paratype's probably in the description and i could just scale it myself

now that you say it that doesn't seem like a half bad idea

piss

[west coral]

piss indeed

[light osprey]

what does it all mean

[sullen cairn]

that 8m sino might be more than just a manic episode

[white matrix]

Table check DMs rq

[west coral]

first shrinking centrosaurines, now growing them to unfathomable sizes

table is truly unstoppable

[sullen cairn]

i mean it was already big so its not really my fault...

[lavish frigate]

So was paraceratherium doing the lil trunk thing or the hornless Rhino face?

[lucid ibex]

Thanks :)

[lucid ibex]

Also thanks :)

[light osprey]

you monster 😔

[white matrix]

Monsters are cool cope

[white matrix]

Trunk

[lavish frigate]

👍

[white matrix]

Paracera didn't need a trunk, its top lip was prehensile I believe

[lavish frigate]

Hmmm….im faced with two conflicting opinions…..what shall I do…..

[ancient crystal]

Make its lip into a trunk

[white matrix]

OMGEE IS THAT AN all tomorrows REFERENCE!1!1!1!1!?

[frosty anvil]

Im thinking rhino

[fossil ingot]

I prefer Rhino
Trunk looks ugly and deformed

[sullen cairn]

i would like to wish all sinoceratops a very jesus christ

[stiff osprey]

zhucheng formation hadrosaur: largest hadrosaur that ever existed
zhucheng formation ceratopsid: like second largest ceratopsid
zhucheng formation tyrannosaur: top 3 largest tyrannosaurs
zhucheng formation titanosaur:

[storm heron]

The proportions on this animal is just weird

Maybe its just the silhoutte, but Sinoceratops front limbs are proportionally huge, Gorillaceratops

[sullen cairn]

yeah that's kinda just centrosaurines for ya

i have a stubbier version but it just looks weird next to every other centrosaurine

[storm heron]

It does look weird compared to other Centrosaurines, seems more . . . "elongated"? I wonder if that is the right word. Also, compare its scapula to other Centrosaurines . . .

[sullen cairn]

gat's skeletal at least seems to take after the wendi skeletal (which has barely any caudals actually) in having a long tail for a ceratopsid
and yeah scapula is really big (i'd assume gat saw it in a museum or something in china cause afaik none of the postcrania is described)

now that you mention it you can make the forearms a lot less beefy-looking if you tilt the whole body forward like the other skeletals

[storm heron]

Yea, though it still gives that Gorilla arm look, which isn't just due to the forearm size themselves, as its hindlimbs seem more short and stout compared to Pachyrhinosaurus for example.

How much can you tilt its body forward akin to its relatives until it starts falling forward.

[storm heron]

Looks more similar now yea.

[sullen cairn]

the black space doesn't help it look any familiar either

[storm heron]

We got to work with what we got, till then we have stubbyceratops.

Very curious to what and how Centrosaurines were doing in Asia.

[sullen cairn]

evidently growing way too big for their own good

looking at it i think at least some of the gorilla-arm might be due to the less due to actual robusticity and more being extended and thus appearing more columnar compared to the more bent forelimbs of the other skeletals

[storm heron]

You could be right, it could be more comparable if other skeletals made their forearms more columnar than always bent (something im curious of why they do it).

[sullen cairn]

the bent articulation does look nicer i'd say

[storm heron]

Well for me, it looks like they are playing "floor is lava" and trying to stand on a small patch of ground ha

[sullen cairn]

and then there's the question of why the thing needs to be 8m long

[storm heron]

Perhaps the Zhchengtyrannus specimen we found was actually on the smaller end of the size range of its species

[sullen cairn]

tfw a ceratopsid is half the size of the resident sauropod

also i just realized the gorilla arms are also cause the thing has tiny metatarsals

[storm heron]

Yea, seems like its hindlimbs were short relative to its body and other Centrosaurines.

[sullen cairn]

and it looks even worse in gat's original

[hallow drift]

If someone has a picture of rex tooth can they dm me it

[bright veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475022421158789121/1180421977626914826/Screen_Shot_2023-11-26_at_1.46.15_PM.png

There is alot of new info on Thylacoleo ecology in this abstract that just released

[white matrix]

Yay finally

[white matrix]

Got a link btw?

[bright veldt]

I don’t cause funni pre-release abstract

[white matrix]

trug….

[west coral]

why

[novel atlas]

It looks like that stereotypical ceratopsian toy you get, you know what I mean?

[novel atlas]

Hornless rhino, but it did have really mobile lips like rhino.

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-christian-bale-handsome-gif-13379950

[rose thorn]

North America when it saw Sino and Shant: Anything you can do, I can do better

[chilly knot]

slide trike

with scalebar

[vocal breach]

DEMOMAN???

[west coral]

stolen ideas

[rose thorn]

Edmonto is America’s only flop

[compact leaf]

is that opisthocoelicaudine alamosaurus

[rose thorn]

Shant was simply too powerful to match

[light osprey]

Lancian on top 🔥

[rose thorn]

Someone @ mods

[bitter oasis]

@storm tartan Please keep this chat about paleo discussion, thank you.

[west coral]

oui

[sudden wind]

Is that Pinaco that's so small ??

[west coral]

yeah pinaco is tiny

[white matrix]

Tarbo looks like a midget

[tough parcel]

I am like 99% sure Pinaco and Tarbo are misscaled

[woeful falcon]

Is it tarbo and not zhu?

[white matrix]

Is that tarbo or Zhu btw?

[west coral]

Zhucheng

[white matrix]

Oh mb

[lilac vale]

And replace Arctodus with Arctotherium angustidens

[white matrix]

No arctotherium is smaller, way smaller.

[lilac vale]

No

[white matrix]

Outdated information arctotherium was never bigger than arctodus.

[lilac vale]

Proof

[sudden wind]

I think it is half the size it should be.

Still not a huge ankylosaur.

[tough parcel]

Based on a private specimen that I know about, it could reach sizes of 10 tons

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsical-little-creature-whimsical-little-creature-gif-27137278

[tough parcel]

Me

[sudden wind]

you leading the way to me to the 10 tons private specimen

my grammar was atrocious on this one tho

[tough parcel]

(We will both succumb to the dangers on the journey)

[west coral]

still a tiny fella

[heady thunder]

Zycheng looks like Rexes kid

[west coral]

show me

[tough parcel]

My brain formed the 10t specimen

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646189983841124353/1178727670197006476/image.png?ex=657732b0&is=6564bdb0&hm=232e4d97764b273ae1d7ce7f5cd6b699284ea2819e695cefb3b745fa0a4bffdf&

[light osprey]

Science is a beautiful thing 😊

[sudden wind]

Kinda depends of how you scale it (sometimes people use Tyrannosaurus lmfao). But yeah it seems to barely reach 10 meters.

I don't think we have any good skeletal though given that previous ones were based on older Tarbo iterations.

[sullen cairn]

headswap of joan's tarbo headswap with joan's newer tarbo

[tough parcel]

Isn’t that just…their newer Tarbo?

[sudden wind]

And that marginally increases Zuchengtyrannus' size.

[sullen cairn]

yeah but it has the zhuch skull from their zhuch skeletal

scaling down its like 9.7m and 3.8t

[tough parcel]

Ah

[west coral]

added new zhucheng and sinanky

[snow python]

Is zupaysaurus related to dilo?

[sullen cairn]

In the sense that they’re both in the mess of neotheropods grading into averostra yes

[stiff osprey]

I think I know the answer but what's the alamosaurus representing?

Oh wait the red is north american, I thought this was a giant asian taxon

[tough parcel]

Silly random, being a silly goober again

[rose thorn]

Why use Pinaco and not Tarchia

Also no Mongol Giant

[light osprey]

Mmm yes my favourite Wangshi Group taxon

[west coral]

definitely

[compact leaf]

footprint scaling never ends well

[tacit pine]

Tarchia is W

[sudden wind]

The fantasy eotrikes live in

[west coral]

Wangshi or hell creek + alamo?

and I also don’t know where you’re going to fit eotrike in there

[sudden wind]

I mean the size difference between Sino and Zucheng is legit the one of Eo and Rex in game.

[sullen cairn]

which is funny cause sino and eo are pretty close in size

[west coral]

maybe ingame rex is just zhucheng

[light osprey]

Could probably call it Wangshi / Evanston (I think Evanston has some other stuff)

[west coral]

Evanston has just trike and alamo sp, but it works I guess

[sudden wind]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzwA50KLlzh/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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[snow python]

Do we have any skin impressions from ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs?

[bright veldt]

Ichthyosaurs yes. Plesiosaurs not really tmk.

[sudden wind]

Ichthyosaurs? Definitely. A whole lot even. Multiple Stenopterygius specimen preserve skin tissues.

Plesiosaurs? That's rarer but we have some cases.

[tough parcel]

Probably climate change lmao

[jagged trellis]

rng with a dash of yes

[warm quest]

tryna draw opabinia but i have no idea which way its mouth opens... is there a correct orientation or do we just not really know? 😭 i see paleoart of both ways

[light osprey]

Remarkably tangible looking art of the fella

[lilac vale]

Part of a lot of extinctions going on at that time

[warm quest]

thank you

[lucid gyro]

Idk why but the tophat on the human has me weak af

[fresh smelt]

Can anyone give me access to pic of accurate para

[white matrix]

Cankles

[tough parcel]

I mean...I triiied?

It's a bit festive, but thankfully it's already that time of year again so yayyy

[light osprey]

Horizontal stripes? Heresy

[white matrix]

🗿

[lavish frigate]

Woah is that the Mariah Carey parasaurolophus crossover we’ve all been waiting for?!

[meager spindle]

It's a shame how their extinction may have been predicted, you'd figure that Megalania prisca would already be too much to handle.

[bright veldt]

Thylacoleo was a mesopedator that wasn't hunting the same prey as megalania anyway.

[meager spindle]

@bright veldt True, however if you think about it, modern day Komodo dragons in their prime are able to hunt arboreal prey as well if given the chance. With the same body plan it seems more likely for this reptile to have the same intentions to hunt opportunistically. Especially hunting Thylacoleo. Idk maybe it's just me

[bright veldt]

Adult komodo dragons can't climb, let alone a lizard 5x the body mass

[meager spindle]

I said hunt and eat arboreal prey, like ambushing monkeys when they're off the ground

[bright veldt]

Ok fair enough

[pearl briar]

thx falcon

[sullen cairn]

7.5t specimen isn't para anymore

walkeri's just a sissy next to the southwestern paras

[pearl briar]

WHAT

does that mean Fadeno is outdated?

[sullen cairn]

yeah
the big braincase got reassigned to a brachylophosaurin

[scenic flame]

do bear in mind that is one specimen of many of one para species

[sullen cairn]

afaik none of the canadian lambeosaurines got particularly massive

the largest in northern laramidia seem to cap out at like 4-4.5t tops

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/how-did-this-happen-bill-wurtz-planet-earth-gif-15407593

[opal portal]

Beep

[surreal stone]

wait… WHAT?! My poor poor para 😢 what species does the specimen belong to now that its no longer a para, do we know yet?

[tough parcel]

.

[surreal stone]

assuming we dont know which one

also thanks, thats helpful

[tough parcel]

A little tidbit to note when reading paleontology papers not made by paleontologists (mostly the last half)

[pearl briar]

is 8 meters long and 907 kg-1 ton Ichthyovenator is still accurate?

[flat pond]

Well this was unexpected but I welcome it

[viscid surge]

Woah! That looks cool

[scarlet moon]

Damn that looks good

[flat pond]

It was announced this morning and was even in this trailer

https://youtu.be/yKrvqjhPD8M?si=nMsGYsfAinjAuZjD

[snow python]

How big was Barsboldia after all?

[bright veldt]

11 meters, 7 tons

[white matrix]

That's a beautiful Spino

[flat pond]

It is. Wasn’t expecting it come so soon

Also another update to PK so soon is really surprising

[white matrix]

Suspiciously aligns with the new JWE2 dlc

[pearl briar]

hmm...
i think the innacuracies in here are uhh...
what can i say, arms lil bit too long

[bright veldt]

We don’t even have spino arms

[white matrix]

The arms look fine to me

real

The only issue I can spot is the debatable lips

Or rather, lack thereof

Honestly the only PK design I've ever had a problem with thus far has been their Rex

[bright veldt]

That’s something that nobody can really figure out though. Spinosaurus’s tooth config is really weird. You can go with lips for other spinosaurs (like bary and sucho) without much trouble, but spino’s weird.

[white matrix]

That's why I said debatable

[bright veldt]

And yeah PK’s Rex rubs me the wrong way. All the other dinosaurs are unapologetically accurate while the rex kinda feels like they tried to make a JP Rex under a more accurate lens.

[white matrix]

It just stands out like a sore Iguanodon thumb and I hate it

[flat pond]

Honestly, PK’s rex doesn’t bother me that much. Especially when you do a comparison like this.

PK Tyrannosaurus has partial lips but is done in a way that makes it seem a little natural.

PoT Tyrannosaurus’ partial lipped teeth clip into the lower jaw and feels a bit awkward

[white matrix]

Nah dude the teeth stick out and ruin the design

[flat pond]

Eh, I’m fine with it. Might be just me.

[white matrix]

Also I don't use the exposed teeth sub on PoT Rex anyways

[flat pond]

Me neither. Although we do still suffer from it thanks to the juvenile form

[white matrix]

At least the juvenile's teeth are temporary

[flat pond]

True but it’s still so awkward and the way they clip into the lower jaw is not visually appealing to me.

[white matrix]

I also kinda wished PK Rex had the elephant hair feathers but I understand that that was probably left out for performance

[flat pond]

Probably very hard to render in given how small they would most likely be

[white matrix]

Exactly

Btw speaking of dino zoo builders, JWE2 genuinely stuns me with a lot of the creatures that Frontier designs (in a good way)

Utah, Cheri and Conca are absolutely gorgeous

[flat pond]

Yeah Frontier does really well with their newer designs.

[white matrix]

You know it's a little concerning when the Jurassic Conca is more accurate than the PoT one

[flat pond]

They even tried to make Tarbo work, even though it is the CC one

[flat pond]

Very true

[white matrix]

I give Tarbo a pass cause they had to use the CC design

[flat pond]

They did tweaked it a bit to give it a bit of Frontier’s flare

[white matrix]

I just hope they don't use the CC Smilodon design if they ever add Smilo

God I want them to add Smilodon...

[flat pond]

I dont think they will add Cenozoic animals to JWE2

From what I’ve heard anyways.

[white matrix]

I mean, if Smilodon wasn't canon I'd probably agree but Smilodon is a part of canonical media so...

Plus it'd add some much needed variety in the land carnivores imo

[flat pond]

True but I’ve heard people asking them to do it and they have stated that they would probably not do it.

[exotic quest]

I'd rather they add more Triassic or maybe Permian animals before they start heading for Cenozoic

[white matrix]

Also I want them to bring back the hybrids and add Spinoceratops alongside them but that's a different can of worms

[exotic quest]

A majority of the DLC packs have been about the Cretaceous, like give us some more Triassic or even Jurassic

[flat pond]

Yeah, the JWE hybrids were pretty cool

[exotic quest]

Maybe an updated Ankylodocus design though bc it looked weird

[flat pond]

It’s most likely cause most of the stuff from that time period is better preserved than most of the older time periods.

[white matrix]

I'd also like mini-exhibits so I can have Microraptor

[flat pond]

Microraptor would be cool to have

[white matrix]

Mini exhibits would also finally give us good options for Compy and Homalo enclosures

[exotic quest]

True

[exotic quest]

and all the other tiny buggers. It's so hard to make enclosures for them bc they get hidden by everything

[white matrix]

Give me mini lagoons for Cambrian bois

[exotic quest]

Give us kelp or a lagoon update that actually makes them feel alive

[white matrix]

Mini aviaries for Microraptor, Archaeopteryx and Anurognathus

Little pens for Compy, Homalo and Lystro

[lavish frigate]

Don’t be silly homalo doesn’t need its own enclosure…..how would the big carnivores devour it in there?!

[white matrix]

Also now that we have basking rocks in lagoons, give us crocs

[exotic quest]

yes

and also different types of 'land' for lagoons

[white matrix]

I also wanna change the water color

[exotic quest]

i want wall lights

[white matrix]

I wanna alter the terrain in lagoons

[bitter oasis]

I understand how the conversation got to this point but let's please keep the chat on the topic of paleo discussion

[fossil ingot]

Bro decided to be on 4

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/step-back-i-think-im-gonna-vommit-im-gonna-vommit-university-i-think-im-gonna-vommit-i-will-vommit-gif-24326354

[white matrix]

Give us the full context of this pose

[neat drum]

Its stretching

If your that long and top heavy with such long arms, you're gonna go quad to stretch

[frosty anvil]

Is this actually the case? I always thought that while it was mostly accurate there was just something off about PoT's Concavenator that I coudn't quite put my finger on.

[white matrix]

The lack of arm quills on the default

[frosty anvil]

Oh 😅 I usually run the quilled species so that's the one thats the "default" to me

[white matrix]

Makes sense. Seemed the image was shared deliberately out of context

[heady thunder]

Theres not even a default anymore, since the subs basically dont change much stat wise.

[neat drum]

Yeah its bipedal but goes quad when stretching, drinking, laying down, etc, which is safe and within the realm of plausibility

[heady thunder]

What tree?

Ok, wdym accurately predicted? Accurate as in model?

[neat drum]

The PoT rex is not accurate at all and one of the worst media depictions of rex in the 2010s-2020s

[heady thunder]

Its decently accurate, what I remember being wrong is the face in some places.

[cloud dagger]

Pot rex is still better than jp rex

[heady thunder]

Pot babies are not accurate 9/10 times.

It has a decent amount of abilities. Sound is subjective, I quite like it, the only problem I have with it is the sitting and sleeping noise being so loud.

[ancient crystal]

Its nails on a chalkboard

I don't know how rex mains can stand spam calling their atrocious broadcast

[heady thunder]

Rex doesnt have a headbutt.
Spino has stomp too.

And were not talking too much

[lean egret]

What’s the most inaccurate dinosaur in PoT?

[heady thunder]

Probably Kai.

[lean egret]

Ugh

[heady thunder]

Facetank is a passive abilitity.

[lean egret]

I hate it so much.
If you want a generic plesiosaur, then choose one. Don’t pick a unique one and butcher it.

I dislike the Spino tbh, PK Spino is an example of a good Spino

[tacit pine]

Plesiosaurus would have been good enough if it was gonna be generic

[lean egret]

Devs can def make some good looking dinosaurs if they want, but it seems like they don’t even try sometimes

[compact leaf]

bars is pretty bad from an accuracy standpoint as well, and before anyone says we only have the vertebrae that’s not an excuse we still have its close relatives to base off

[lean egret]

PoTs roster itself is pretty bad

[lean egret]

It just needs a more duck bill head tbh

[compact leaf]

the body could use some work too

[heady thunder]

Well the spino here is what, 4 years old? While PK is like, 1 day old?

[tacit pine]

^

[lean egret]

Some of the older Dinos genuinely look horrible, some of them also have really strange textures, just look so dry…

[tacit pine]

Spinos design changes alot over the years tbf

[lean egret]

It needs a massive TLC no denying that, not just a simple model tweak

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pkgame/images/b/b0/Schermafbeelding_2023-12-03_141510.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20231203131720

[heady thunder]

No not really, basically just the tail, if the dude who paid for it wants too.

[lean egret]

Proportions, animations…

Deinonychus needs a retexture tbh
Or even a slight remodel like Laten

[fossil ingot]

Roaring XD

[heady thunder]

Whats wrong with the animations? Proportions too, like what are you gonna do, make its legs shorter again?

[lean egret]

Proportions are off

[heady thunder]

They havent said that.

Theyve said that dinos will get remodels if they need to fit with their new combat abilities

[lean egret]

No, outdated dinos will get remodels, nothing to do with combat

[heady thunder]

Source?

[fossil ingot]

PK Spino is ok
Does some things I don't like, the Quad mostly and mainly

[lean egret]

It’s not quad

[compact leaf]

it just goes to quad when it stretches and drinks, it's not primarily quad

[lean egret]

Bruh

[heady thunder]

Well heres mine

[lean egret]

Bringing old dino’s to modern quality, yeah

[scenic flame]

there's nothing really that wrong with pot conca

[fossil ingot]

I know, but goes Quad to Ew

[heady thunder]

"Specifically to fill their upcoming combat roles better".

So only the ones which really need it for the combat update, anyway Ill stop before being stopped for being off topic.

[scenic flame]

the remodels are happening mainly due to older, lower quality models needing to be brought up to standard, and in the process Jiggy is making accuracy tweaks since they're being edited anyways, she isn't and shouldn't be expected to updated the models every time something new comes out

[lean egret]

Some dinos like Lambeo literally look awful no way they won’t get a remodel

[heady thunder]

Maybe, but it looked worse then old alio and look who got the remodel first.

We shall see what gets remodeled with time

[lean egret]

Just for like one animation, nothing wrong with that it looks cool but your opinion ig

[clever sable]

Looks pretty quad to me

[light osprey]

I guess it all depends on a teensy lil specifics of can a big armed theropod support its weight momentarily on those phalanges

[woeful falcon]

Yeah in that one still it is assuming a quad position as opposed to how it moves in the rest of the vid

The real thing you should be targeting is it being on its knuckles

[light osprey]

I’m surprised it’s colourscheme is on the drab side

[compact leaf]

it probably has a brighter skin

[onyx sedge]

Does anyone have a accurate skeletal of ampelosaurus?

[white matrix]

iirc there isn't much good ones

[compact leaf]

yeah there isn't a great one out there

best you can do is base it off closely related titanosaurs, it has osteoderms but it really doesn't stray far from the generic titanosaur look

[light osprey]

So, relatively long torso-ed Lirainosaurines, is that a meme or…

[light osprey]

Well now that I look at depictions, maybe it’s just the neck posture that throws me off?

[compact leaf]

afaik they don't have particularly long torsos compared to other titanosaurs

[real swan]

Please try to keep this channel on-topic to paleo discussion, thankyou!

[lean egret]

picks one frame out of literally every other where it’s bipedal Looks pretty quad to me

[light osprey]

something seems so uncanny about this fella I have no idea what it is

[lean egret]

Last thing to end this discussion: It’s primarily bipedal and only quad in certain animations, like the roar in the photo you sent👍alright back to paleo stuff

[bright veldt]

There’s nothing on what ampelosaurus really looks like outside of “generic titanosaur”, cause bonebed

[clever sable]

I don't think it should be going quad at all

[lean egret]

that’s your opinion

[bright veldt]

I like how people are saying the spino is quad when we literally see its hand touch the ground in one animation, not even using said limb to move.

Like Jesus, they’re allowed to at least play with the idea a little bit.

[sullen cairn]

Needless polarization? In my Spinosaurus discussion? It's more likely than I think?

[lean egret]

that’s what i’m sayin’

I remember hearing Spino physically can’t walk on it’s rear legs, is that true? Like I remember recently hearing this, I don’t mean 2014

[sullen cairn]

that would be thanks to long bone allometry, which has also produced such wonders as 9t pentaceratops and 2.4t acrocanthosaurus

[clever sable]

Like table said, that was achieved using an unreliable method

[white matrix]

Doubt messing around with the idea of it being quad is a crime tbh.

[bright veldt]

^ We don’t see it walk quad at all. People need to chill.

[alpine island]

9t pentaceratops is good for the agenda so therefore its valid 🧠

[west coral]

i would love to see Pentaceratops scaled up to a size that would make it 9T

[stiff osprey]

sees rex rearing up to look over an obstacle Holy [censored] guys, they made T.rex have retro posture! This game is terrible!

[white matrix]

real

[jagged trellis]

the game is terrible, just not for that, also ooh 9t penta the next eo mayhaps, would be funny

[steep needle]

how is the game terrible lmao

[jagged trellis]

just lacking in general, its not good a good game at all, but that debate has been done a million times over with the same answer, and gonna be frank i doubt it'll get far in paleo chat

so uhh insert topic here that won't get wiped out: diplodocus had color findings yeah, rusty red?

[steep needle]

it’s quite literally an early access game which is why it’s lacking right now, but yes I’ll drop the topic

[steep needle]

vaguely yes I believe, though I’ve seen more talk about yellow-ish

tis a cool tidbit for drawing it

[jagged trellis]

(|| and has lacked major baseline content and quality for many things while also being just very...back and forth on balance, and said early access being atleast 5+ years, i do like discussing the game and its ordeals but moreso just don't want it to get nuked by mods||) and yeah belly was yellowish white if i recall, just need to find the sources i do, it is genuinely interesting we have found out the color of a animal with no feathers, does change up the idea of how things preserve id imagine

[woeful falcon]

There are channels for talking about the game if you don't want to try and sneak convos in haha

[jagged trellis]

yup, just slightly tricky to keep it flowing is all, so idk i'll just end it here: dinosaur

[woeful falcon]

True. Dinosaur.

[sullen cairn]

i concur. dinosaur

[steep needle]

yes, dinosaur

[surreal stone]

yeeeep everybody is here

[surreal stone]

e v e r y b o d y (ok fine i will stop doing this now lol i can see it maybe being annoying)

[woeful falcon]

I was about to say you've done that with fred like 3 times lol

[mossy anchor]

Pteradactyl is not a real animal, right? I feel like I remember hearing the name “pteradactyl” does not belong to any one animal

[mellow ruin]

No it isn't a name, but I don't really know what it is.

[mossy anchor]

So it’s not a real animal

[mellow ruin]

Yes

[compact leaf]

it’s just a broad term for pterosaurs in general

[mossy anchor]

A place I go to has a pteradactyl as their macot, and I’m trying to get it changed because it’s not real (the design is also very behind and inaccurate)

[slim needle]

There’s Pterodactylus but not Pterodactyl

[light osprey]

Tbf mascots are usually charyactatures

[bright veldt]

Pterodactyl can be used as a short term for pterodactyloidea, which is basically all Cretaceous pterosaurs

[hallow spear]

yes but its an an animal itself which was the point i think

[alpine island]

What are some of the largest pterosaurs besides the giant azhdarchids

[surreal stone]

well there are 2 big tropeognathids that make it into the top ten largest pterosaurs so them guys are fairly large

[bright veldt]

Pteranodon, Tropeognathus, and Coloborhynchus are among the largest non-ahzdarchid pterosaurs. Thalassodromeus I guess also counts even if close to the group.

[alpine island]

Dang I only knew about Coloborhynchus' existence from JW The Game, had no idea it was actually large

[bright veldt]

It’s remains are admittedly terrible

[alpine island]

I'm in despair. Seems like there's a paper that is suggesting Moganopterus wasn't a large pterosaur

[lavish frigate]

The next paleo nerf just arrived! (This is a joke 💀)

[crude latch]

Blud wtf Is that

[lavish frigate]

I made a comment about heli being to big and then….ummm this happened….

Then I just rounded out those fins to make it childproof

[crude latch]

Tbh in the lens’s of prehistory Heli is smol

Eh well kinda smol

[lavish frigate]

I used to think heli was like mako size 😳

[crude latch]

💀

[lavish frigate]

I’d never actually seen a depiction with good scale before the OG version of that skeletal

[lavish frigate]

Oh heck it evolved again….

[crude latch]

Bros a Pokémon now

[mossy anchor]

Any good papers on the history of paleontology? I'm not talking dinosaurs, I mean where the science all began, important figures, important events, etc. Thanks!

[compact leaf]

I don't have any papers but Georges Cuvier was really influential to early paleontology, he was a pretty huge figure in the early days of the field

[white matrix]

Whatever happened to Barnum brown

[mossy anchor]

Thanks! Name suggestions are just as good because I can just research those guys.

I did find an article on wikipedia, but I don't know how trustworthy it is (it is wikipedia). at the same time, it is the only article I found on this

[lavish frigate]

Well there goes the childproofing….

[crude latch]

wtf 💀

[lavish frigate]

Arazoa paleo chat is an interesting place

[crude latch]

Nah lemme get in there

Arazoa you said

[crude latch]

This one?

[lavish frigate]

Yes indeed

[crude latch]

Strange I can’t find it, oh do I gotta be approved?

[tough parcel]

The feeble average Tyrannosaurus vs superior average Triceratops

[lavish frigate]

Ooooh right yeah you gotta do the approval thing

[crude latch]

On it

[compact leaf]

what exactly am I looking at here

[tough parcel]

The caption says it

[light osprey]

But actually what is it

[sullen cairn]

subadult leptoceratops and scotty

[compact leaf]

leptoceratops is secretly just a really weird sauropod with some goofy ontogeny

[light osprey]

[tacit pine]

How big was Pliosaurus Kenvei?

[west coral]

how did you get nedo this big

[tough parcel]

I kinda just did

[pearl briar]

i imagine it sound would be like this

[light osprey]

Is Nedoceratops actually on the larger end of Triceratops skulls??

[light oxide]

Well . . . No wonder some of the Tyrannosaurus specimens got so large.

Anyways, that said, we sure there isn't any individual variation shenanigans going on?

[iron python]

Guys just an question, in last movie from jurassic world it says giga was the biggest carnivore in world. Is it right? For me it was rex bcs he's name, tyranossauros rex

[stiff osprey]

The biggest carnivore in the world is the blue whale (krill are still living animals), but if you only count animals that lived on land, either Giga or rex could be the biggest

[iron python]

I was asking abt the dinos but thxx

[crude latch]

They said land carnivore in the movie, and atm I think it’s Trex again

[jagged trellis]

giga and rex are quite literally same size zone rn, can be abit bigger or smaller if said person decides: hey that tail looks abit skinny on the model

[tough parcel]

Me adding 2 inches of neck tissue and suddenly gaining 5 tons

[light osprey]

Deja vu

[surreal stone]

bro fr tho

[mellow ruin]

But from length it's definitely Spinosaurus

[snow python]

Is there any eurypterid bigger than Jaekelopterus?

[bright veldt]

No

[tranquil quartz]

I thought deinosuchus was the biggest carnivore to ever walk on land or were the 15 ton estimates quickly shut down?

[bright veldt]

When people say terrestrial carnivores they aren’t really including crocodilians

[surreal stone]

and most likely rex but who knows we may just find a gargantuan giga specimen with really dense bones that is like 15 tons or something, we just dont know

[surreal stone]

not that we know of

[surreal stone]

ehhhhh, its probably too aquatic to be considered terrestrial

[sullen cedar]

I was using it as a example scan since most semiaquatic carnivores don't have lips like terrestrial carnivores

[bright veldt]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo7877

Here’s a study that basically summarizes all the arguments for lipped theropods (as well as most terrestrial animals, even amongst terrestrial crocodyliformes you can make an argument for it)

No lips in theropods is being held up by Carr (and only him) alongside a bunch of JP fans huffing copium

[sullen cedar]

So the argument about whether dinosaurs had lips or not is still a thing?

[bright veldt]

There isn’t really a debate anymore. Some people just act like there is

[light osprey]

I love lipped terrestrial suchians

[sullen cedar]

Wait you got me confused so carchar is the only terrestrial mega theropod without lips?

[bright veldt]

Why would carchar not have lips?

[sullen cedar]

Oh I thought carr was carchar

[snow python]

Is 12,5-12,7m and 8-9t mapu outdated? I wanna make a top 5 biggest theropods

[bright veldt]

The only dinosaur that has a genuinely good argument for being lipless is spinosaurus (Not spinosaurs in general, spinosaurus specifically) due its very dense and overlapping teeth

[bright veldt]

Sorry for the confusion, Carr is a paleontologist. He also argues for Nanotyrannus being a valid taxa so I think that summarizes some of his takes.

[sullen cedar]

I mean isn't the only spinosaurid that supposedly had lips is irritator

[light osprey]

Narp

[sullen cedar]

Ah him

[light osprey]

The Baryonychinae dentition is far more typical of most theropods

[bright veldt]

There’s nothing stopping most spinosaurids from having lips. Spinosaurus in particular has more unique dentition that might’ve got in the way of lips.

[sullen cedar]

I mean spino could have had partial lips spino with partial lips spino with lips and bare teeth spino

[light osprey]

Funny even Irritator escaped lip-limbo

Interpretion 3 would be a little odd, alas you may pick your poison nobody really knows

[sullen cedar]

Tho spino not having lip could also fall as into why most crocodilians don't have lips

Since they don't really need lips to keep their teeth moist since they spend most of their time in the water

[ionic crescent]

@woeful falcon ahoi, mind if I DM you? 👀

[lucid ibex]

Where are we at rn with the spinosaurus ecology debate? I kind of tuned out about a year ago simply because it was too much to deal with haha.

[serene moat]

In that movie the giga was the biggest yes

[lucid ibex]

I remember helicoprion as being my first ever hyperfixation in school so this has spiritually harmed me

[chilly knot]

t rex, giga, carchar, mapu, spino

[snow python]

I'd put Deinocheirus bcuz it was over 7t but it wasn't a carnivore

[white matrix]

Still a theropod

[white matrix]

Oh you meant carnivorous nvm

[solid vigil]

I have a quastion for the good and smart people of this server. What is the most agreed upon size of Olorotitan, 8m or 12m? I'm seeing conflicting results online and I want to be sure.

[tiny holly]

Only 8m afaik, 12 would be one big hadrosaur

[median root]

8m

[bright veldt]

Olorotitan was average hadrosaur size yeah

[solid vigil]

Alright, thanks guys!

[raven badger]

Seeing Spino being discussed reminds me of the rabbithole of What the Spino truly look like.

It is never ending-

[bright veldt]

What spinosaurus looked like isn’t really a debate, regardless of what specimens are actually spino or not. We still have no idea how the thing was living ecologically though.

[lost hedge]

It lived in the moon but some dropped down to earth and died because they couldn’t survive with tiny little legs in earths gravity

[frail robin]

Average JP fan watching a T.Rex lose all of its teeth and die of starvation before it can regrow them

[lilac vale]

Just do a wear pattern study on Spinosaurus teeth

[white matrix]

https://vxtwitter.com/tupandactylus/status/1731726812797972855?s=46&t=pd4FZNNM_StR5QrGTcfhVA

[woeful falcon]

Don't take DMs soz boss, but I'm more than willing to talk here when I can respond

[ionic crescent]

Ah, no worries then

[tight kettle]

@storm tartan Please remain on topic of Path of Titans and/or the content relevant to the channel you are posting in. Refer to our #rules and pinned messages before posting.

[elfin pulsar]

Hey curious, what predator lived with/hunted bajadasaurus?

[tough parcel]

Seems to be nothing named

[elfin pulsar]

Well then

Thank you

[compact leaf]

abelisaurids are a safe bet

[elfin pulsar]

But not any particular species right? Just a species of the abelisaurids?

[compact leaf]

yeah none in particular but the family is basically everywhere in south america

[elfin pulsar]

Oh ok, is there any idea of what species or is it just a shot in the dark?

[tough parcel]

Shot in the dark, just don't copy Carno horns

[white matrix]

I copy pasted ez

[tough parcel]

[kindred night]

Carr has been the leading author against Nano. What are you smoking?

[tough parcel]

Isn't it Larson?

[bright veldt]

tbh I have no idea, 100% my bad

[white matrix]

is it just me or did that feel a little aggressive

[bright veldt]

Eh it was kinda warranted considering how much of a fumble that was on my part.

[limpid glen]

no lol js being mean for no reason

prob didn’t get their d today

[sullen cairn]

Indeterminate abelisaur and megalosaur

[slim needle]

Can I get an anatomy check fellas (T. rex and E. annectens)

(tagged for light gore)

[lavish frigate]

Looks great! Only criticisms I might have are that the Rex looks a bit slim and the legs might be a little too lanky? Looks great though

[elfin pulsar]

Ah ok thank you

[surreal stone]

bro the bottom one feels so wrong

[jagged trellis]

the type of smile you put on for a camera

[surreal stone]

Fr tho

[kindred night]

Nah it was a little testy as he was my undergrad advisor

[snow python]

How big was Turiasaurus

[pearl briar]

iirc 20-40 meters, 30-50 ton

[chilly obsidian]

Someone ping me with anything recent on Achillobator or a skeletal, anything

[west coral]

21m, 30t

[sand gyro]

Shouldn't the trex be a lot bulkier than that oh sorry someone already said that

[bright veldt]

The bulk looks fine, I think we just aren’t used to Trex with longer legs (which it did have)

[ocean drum]

The main issue with the leg morphology ins’t that their longer than usual (which they are). But it’s that they are too skinny and flimsy compared to the extremely muscular and robust legs that the real animal is known to have.

[hallow spear]

Professional yapper

[white matrix]

Their yapping?

[white matrix]

erm opposite

[compact leaf]

it isn’t great from an accuracy standpoint

[white matrix]

first up its heavily oversized

[compact leaf]

we only have vertebrae but that’s enough to tell what it’s closely related to, and it doesn’t look like that

[sullen cairn]

I mean besides the size there’s nothing glaringly wrong with it

[compact leaf]

the head is what’s glaringly wrong with it

[white matrix]

texture is off

[compact leaf]

it just looks off

[white matrix]

Just seems the pot devs wanted their version of shant but failed

[sullen cairn]

Skull isn’t too offensive considering the closest thing with a skull is this

[compact leaf]

it just doesn't look enough like a saurolphine to me I guess, it has a weird roundness too it

I know we shouldn't rely on prehistoric planet for everything but they did a good job with bars, it's a better approximation than what pot has

[white matrix]

wasn't there something potentially lumping bars with saurolophus

[compact leaf]

the idea has been thrown around several times over the years

[sullen cairn]

Bars ended up as pretty basal within saurolophinae in the tlatolophus phylogeny which afaik is most recent

[white matrix]

idk afaik one of the subs are inspired by edmonto

[sullen cairn]

Bars is pretty much just a partial axial series and sacrum so there isn’t a whole lot you can do to make it more or less accurate

[white matrix]

holotype is this for ref (there is a few other pieces albeit)

[sullen cairn]

and its not like there's really any one particularly good skull ref afaik considering it doesn't even seem to be that stable

[alpine island]

The main problems with Bars in this game comes from its size and the godawful textures, the anatomy itself seems reasonable from what little we have preserved of it

[compact leaf]

the skull it has ingame still doesn't look enough like any saurolophine to me but there is definitely some wiggle room with it, the animations and textures are really what throw me but there's more that could be done to make it look more like a hadrosaur

[rose thorn]

There’s more

[white matrix]

Hence few other pieces

[rose thorn]

That’s perhaps part of its character. Base Barsboldia has a relatively rounded off skull, somewhat similar to a brachylophosaur but without the prominent nasals. In that, it sports something that could be seen as a believably more primitive saurolophine. Speed Bars and PP have something closer to edmontosaurs with longer jaws and wider beaks.

I am personally of the opinion that Bars should just be remodeled into Saurolophus entirely, but its whatever at this point

[compact leaf]

the prominent nasal isn’t what bothers me, it’s just the way the whole skull fits together combined with the beak being very weird

it doesn’t look like it reasonably carries upwards into the rest of the skull like an actual hadrosaur beak it just goes straight back

[sullen cairn]

My like of fadeno’s saurolophus skeletal increasing exponentially after I realize I can make pot’s largest hadrosaur the size of sucho:

[compact leaf]

it makes it look like a parrotfish and that makes me uncomfortable

[rose thorn]

Yea, I see what you mean. It flares out and doesn’t entirely come back in to be in line with the cheek

[sullen cairn]

Reason #7 tethyshadros or something would better fit bars’ role in-game while also being less fragmentary

[white matrix]

Just use Saurolophus, leave tethy

[compact leaf]

but that isn’t fragmentary and obscure enough

[rose thorn]

Saurolophus is…relatively obscure to most people

[white matrix]

or use magnapaulia for the funni

[jagged trellis]

nah we need lophus, none of those sauro part, folks know what a sauro is sometimes maybe...dinosaur

[sullen cairn]

Lophorhothon

[rose thorn]

The literal pioneer behind the discovered nose balloon feature in saurolophines and yet it’s only ever been rendered in animation once, let alone a video game

[sullen cairn]

Saurolophus is also marginally larger than bars I’m not using fadeno’s dammit

[white matrix]

what about magnapaulia

[tough parcel]

How

[compact leaf]

we got robbed of big paul

[rose thorn]

Fad’s doesn’t use the largest i don’t believe

[sullen cairn]

It uses the same 122cm(?) skull as the one in the gdi

[rose thorn]

Magna’s cool, but we already have our lambeosaur.

[white matrix]

Edmontosaurus

[rose thorn]

Too easy

[sullen cairn]

Edmontosaurus vs rex brainrot is too prevalent for me to want that in a game

[white matrix]

Prosaurolophus?

[compact leaf]

this is verging out of paleo chat but you know what I would like? a sauropod that actually outsizes the rest of the roster

[rose thorn]

Pro is big, but not big enough

[sullen cairn]

Pro is bars size

[rose thorn]

Not big enough

[stiff osprey]

given the size of the spine in fadeno's saurolophus, scaling it to barsboldia would probably make it 28 meters long

[white matrix]

PT Argentinosaurus:

[compact leaf]

an official, we don't need a megasauropod just something nice and large

[sullen cairn]

In that case they should change bars to saurolophus, and then proceed to also lump bars into sauro while using fadeno’s recon

Or make it shangt and scale it to the alleged 2m femur

[rose thorn]

Supposedly part of the problem with lumping Bars into Saurolo being the sheer exaggeration of the sacral spines in Bars isnt in any grown Saurolo we have?

[sullen cairn]

I think so?
Plus bars frequently being resolved far more basal

Although tbf I don’t know how many larger saurolophus sacrals are described in the first place

[warped peak]

Honestly

[rose thorn]

But GAT found their height in his Saurolo to be similar to Bars so??

[sullen cairn]

Didn’t gat use bars for their recon? I could’ve sworn I read that somewhere

[warped peak]

They sould have used Charonasaurus instead of Barsboldia. It's the exact size they wanted, it's recognizable as an offbrand of a famous dino, and it's cool

[rose thorn]

Charon when it could have a reasonably different crest shape than Parasaurolophus :

[sullen cairn]

Man tlatolophus phylogeny ruined everything didn’t it

[warped peak]

Still more distinct than Barsboldia, and far less upscaled

[rose thorn]

Only basal things

[white matrix]

I still find it funny how table thought tethy could fill bars niche in game

[sullen cairn]

Wdym

[woeful falcon]

Tethy is miniscule by comparison

[sullen cairn]

So?

[white matrix]

In-game bars is essentially the games “shant” how is tethy going to fight rex and stuff

[west coral]

mobbing

[sullen cairn]

Tail

[white matrix]

Mf is tiny though

[rose thorn]

Bite it’s ankles ig

[white matrix]

real

[sullen cairn]

Just saying the cutting edge of that beak could sever tendons and ligaments like nothing