paleontology

[lavish frigate]

This is why I stay in Arazoa paleo chat here take all this art I stole and get on topic again

[west coral]

anyone have measurements for this silly ol’ fella

[tough parcel]

This artist is amazing, truly peak of the paleo-community’s comedy (which isn’t saying much but eh)

[white matrix]

real

[tough parcel]

Like the guy is really good at anatomy, but he’s still funny and not dry

[light osprey]

Who could this be

[west coral]

urlibe khudak didactyl

[tough parcel]

Lmao I was trying to get that exact comic, thanks

[lavish frigate]

I have another one somewhere too I’ll see if I can find it

[white matrix]

sobs in no cenozoic comics

[light osprey]

Bayan Shireh thing?

[white matrix]

Batam

[light osprey]

Autocorrect is my actual nemesis

[lavish frigate]

Dang I’ve failed at finding the other comic strip thing

[tough parcel]

Didactyl therizinosaur is known, but not described

[west coral]

oui

[tough parcel]

Last I saw, it was in some museum case

[light osprey]

I think PaleoNeolithic did a Bayan Shireh chart 🤔

[lavish frigate]

Aha!

[west coral]

either Baynshiree or Baruungoyot, can’t remember

[light osprey]

Not Baruungoyot, I can say with confidence

[west coral]

Is there maybe an abstract discussing it?

[light osprey]

http://seaturtle.org/library/KonishiT_2015_Ina_p157.pdf I think this is it

[white matrix]

where do you find multiple abstract papers like these?

[west coral]

Yeah it is bayanshiree

[light osprey]

SVR stuff, always got a bunch of Abstracts

[white matrix]

do they got some cenozoic goodies

[sullen cairn]

unfortunately the cenozoic is not considered real vertebrate paleontology

[tough parcel]

TRUUUUE

[white matrix]

real

[west coral]

this might be random, but what is going on with Hainosaurus boubker?

[tough parcel]

Uhh if that’s the one by Longrich, he’s got a history of shady papers and stuff

[light osprey]

Sounds like a T. bernardi synonym

[west coral]

All the way down in morocco?

[clever sable]

@keen forum so uh, where can I find the 8+ tonne carch estimate and how large is it exactly?

[west coral]

I get Hainosaurus is a synonym of Tylosaurus, so wouldn’t that make Boubker a new species of tylosaurus?

[light osprey]

Narp

Cause, Longrich named it, and nobody likes em

[white matrix]

the 8.2t carch is a private thing

[clever sable]

Is it a GDI for a skeletal or a paper?

[white matrix]

skeletal I think

[clever sable]

Private skeletals will always infuriate me

[white matrix]

because they are private?

[sullen cairn]

because they are skeletals

[compact leaf]

they're not as bad as private skeletons, I need the barnes high brachiosaurid to get described but it won't

[clever sable]

Because the point of a skeletal is so the general public can get a good idea of the skeletal anatomy of the animal so a private skeletal just defeats the purpose of a skeletal (in my opinion, skeletals definitely have other purposes)

[sullen cairn]

there needs to be like a scihub for private skeletals and gdis

[white matrix]

agreed

[tough parcel]

Huh this is...unexpected

[neat yoke]

Yep, very unexpected. Almost like trex eating giga every time was unexpected

[tough parcel]

[clever sable]

You should totally make a comparison of all the giant azhdarchids

[white matrix]

(Pure is a troll from priomordial tyrants discord genuinely try to ignore him)

[sullen cairn]

you should make a comparison of all the giant abelisaurids (they all suck)

[tough parcel]

I once had that idea...but I got bored and stopped

[light osprey]

Arambourgiania how could you say this about our transcontinental pterosaur precious boy

[compact leaf]

I started to make a comparison of all the brachiosaurids at one point but after undescribed fragmentary brachiosaurid #15 I decided it wasn’t worth it

[clever sable]

I tried once

[lavish frigate]

Oooooh so that’s why he said Barinasuchus wasn’t real…..

[clever sable]

I couldn't find a thanatodrakon skeletal

[clever sable]

You sure he's a troll? Because he really doesn't seem like one, he seems uh, something else

[white matrix]

He goes out of his way to piss people off and mocks their knowledge

[light osprey]

Seems consistent

[clever sable]

I think he's just kinda uhhhhh

Ya know uhhhh

[light osprey]

These trolls been extra pervasive lately

[lavish frigate]

Yeah he did say that birds weren’t related to dinosaurs…..and that Barinasuchus wasn’t real……and that quetz could kill a full grown Tyrannosaurus rex…..

[white matrix]

thats the guy

[sullen cairn]

fred someone needs your help on paleo media (the name's close enough)

[white matrix]

fred bait real

[light osprey]

How could he even entertain this idea

[clever sable]

I mean, I would think he was a troll but he also uhhhhh, has spelling errors, and lots of grammatical errors

[lavish frigate]

Uh oh it’s crocodiles. Send up the Fred signal

[sullen cairn]

because the juvenile with an allosaurus-reconstructed mandible or something had a weak bf

[steady rock]

did sarcosuchus had a weak bite?

[light osprey]

Of course it did

[sullen cairn]

yeah its like a gharial

[white matrix]

I think they actually meant sauro and not sarcosuchus lol

[light osprey]

Erm, the plot thickens, still a weak and puny Suchian

[white matrix]

real

[clever sable]

No, not at all

[steady rock]

you have a weak bite

[lavish frigate]

Here have a balaur

[jagged trellis]

pretty bird

[lavish frigate]

And a bunch of other things I’ve stolen from Arazoa paleo chat art dumps

[lavish frigate]

When people ask what my favorite bird is I say Balaur bondoc and they get very confused

[jagged trellis]

yeah, my favorite big birb is easily gigantoraptor, followed by Terence

[lavish frigate]

Well since Balaur is a basal bird I can actually say bird (man he wanted to be a Dromaeosaur so bad he got TWO sickle claws on both feet)

[jagged trellis]

all of em are valid birbs

[lavish frigate]

Are they though I think it at least has to be within the avian classification

[jagged trellis]

i know i can comfortably call Terence a avian, giganto is a bird because..........birb

[tranquil quartz]

my favourite bord is chicken

[jagged trellis]

solid pick

[light osprey]

Eurycephalosuchus

[sudden wind]

compare Rex and brachi plz (experiment stuffs)

[tough parcel]

In a bit

[sudden wind]

wanted to ask then first but then saw falc

You see, Falcon actually is a dragon

[tough parcel]

Very true!

[sudden wind]

So real

[white matrix]

alatreon....

[tranquil quartz]

The Blazing Black Dragon

[fossil ingot]

Did Quetz Get Bigger or Hatz got smaller....

[tough parcel]

No clue

[fossil ingot]

Reminds me of this

[lavish frigate]

This is legitimately my favorite size comparison (other than one another person made which is child sacrifice Tarbosaurus)

Hehehe….

Lore

[fossil ingot]

Big Carcha Moment

[white matrix]

Gigantopithecus fans when they realize it wasn the godzilla sized creature they thought:

[lavish frigate]

He just a big monke which is arguably better than freakin Kong 😎

I love me some primates

[sudden wind]

Thanks. Didn't expect Rex to be so large next to it.

But PT's size chart seem to have a more disparate difference

Argent is def oversized here though I think?

[white matrix]

Isn't PT rex slightly upsized?

[sudden wind]

Nah it isn't

[compact leaf]

that's scotty next to bricks brachi, keep in mind this is the holotype which isn't fully grown

[white matrix]

Do we have any adult specimens of brachi?

[compact leaf]

there’s a usnm one that might be an adult, nima scaled it back in the day and estimated adults at 28ish meters long

[light osprey]

How long is the holotype

[sudden wind]

25

[compact leaf]

I prefer to use brick or nimas brachi over hartmans too

[sudden wind]

Brick really is into sauropods so I understand that

[tough parcel]

There is no reason outside of posture as far as I know

[compact leaf]

yeah it’s just down to personal preference lol

brian curtice has also hinted that he’s sitting on some truly huge brachiosaurus specimens but he won’t be done working with them for a while

[stiff osprey]

28 m is a bit much but you could plausibly make brach 10% larger than the holotype which would make it like 26-27m

[bright veldt]

That would also lead to, like, 60 ton brachi from what I understand which is...mental.

[chrome condor]

okay so i know david peters is low hanging fruit but i was looking at some sachicasaurus refferences and found this https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/sachicasaurus-the-first-giant-nothosaur-not-a-pliosaur/
thoughts?

[white matrix]

I disown this skeletal

But the size isn’t unreasonable

[tulip dove]

Still don't get why their Brachi looks so small on the chart, unless they are going with an immature specimen, it's def too small imo

[clever sable]

What is your personal favorite skeletal that you have made (as in highest quality and most accurate)

[white matrix]

Either my Jobaria because of its difficulty, or Yunnanosaurus because it was fun and I independently arrived pretty close to SIW

Jobaria was by far the hardest, because of the limited information on it

[tulip dove]

And I was just told that all the sizes are based on irl estimates but I'm still a bit confused

[compact leaf]

their chart has some size issues for sure

[white matrix]

Do you have a full chart

[light osprey]

I’m suprised no ones done a big Hadrosauroid undertaking. Unless I’m oblivious to someone who’s done exactly such

[white matrix]

Lmao they’re using Fran’s old old carch

[sullen cairn]

That is a massive rugops

[white matrix]

Unless they’re using that other material that rugops looks way too big

[bright veldt]

Yeah Rugops was like 4 meters

[sullen cairn]

Was the bigger thing in your old rugops one of the rugops sp things? I forgot

[white matrix]

Considering they have pre-Meraxes carchs in there I don’t think they would scale something independently tho

[sullen cairn]

Wait it was bahariya vert right

[white matrix]

Potentially, it was like an isolated cervical from the bahariya scales off of eoabeli

[sullen cairn]

So not at all rugops then
Off my head I think some maxilla (upc 10?) and maybe a couple others have been tentatively assigned to rugops
Imma scale em

[white matrix]

Middle is rugops

[sullen cairn]

Little ones that ilium right

[white matrix]

The skull is a hypothetical basal abeli on the big and small ones idek why I did that

[woeful falcon]

Source of rugops is cisiopurple

So its easy to reason why it's as large as it is

[sullen cairn]

There’s literally a skeletal on Wikipedia (which is actually undersized afaik)

Although it has an unlabeled 50cm scalebar which causes problems frequently

[white matrix]

Cisiopurple is a blessing and curse

[light osprey]

Stumpy-ahh theropods

[woeful falcon]

Blessing: you want a quick life restoration that may include every phylogenetic take on an animal, cisio's your guy

Curse: you want anything else reliable from this? Not your guy

[white matrix]

I should preface don’t use that, it was made when I was like 3 months into making skeletals

update

[sullen cairn]

Wait ucpc 10 is a mandible
Rugops doesn’t even preserve a mandible

[white matrix]

Maybe, I have a full plate rn

Rufous

[white matrix]

Ucpc or ucrc?

[sullen cairn]

ucpc
just some kem kem fragment that sometimes get assigned to rugops

wait no it is a maxilla i just can't read

huh apparently it and rugops are both similar to this guy now i need to make to change the skull

[light osprey]

Erm, not another Abelisaur maxilla episode

[sullen cairn]

but they're fun and i need to find another big basal abeli after I downsized olph to under 7m

nvm that just shrunk it lmao

a. Because the diagnostic features of Rugops primus are located elsewhere on the skull, we cannot refer the maxilla to that genus or species. We support Mahler’s interpretation of this maxilla (UCRC PV10) as an indeterminate abelisaurid.

well there goes that

also it is ucrc it just changed because catalogue ids can never sit still

[light osprey]

Cool kids refer with no overlapping material

[sullen cairn]

they overlap just not with rugops' diagnostic elements

[white matrix]

abelisaur episode what did I miss

[sullen cairn]

slightly bigger than rugops thing isn't assignable to rugops

[sullen cairn]

not this which is something else form argentina

[white matrix]

I see sounds fun not

[sullen cairn]

its about 5m on the dot

rugops narrowly avoiding an upsize (but holotype isn't fully grown anyways)

honestly rugops really isn't that small for an abelisaur all things considered

like its not even full size and its already larger than kryptops, most of the european taxa, and a handful of the smaller south american taxa

[alpine island]

Tbf most abelisaurs that people can name like Carno and Pycno dwarf Rugops so it just gets made fun of for being tiny (even tho Pycno especially is a giant for its clade)

[jagged trellis]

you mean carno and carno

[alpine island]

Real

[sullen cairn]

if you want a bottom 1/5 of abelisaurs by size you always have kryptops anyways

which is effectively rugops but worse

[clever sable]

Can you downsize krytops?

[sullen cairn]

its suffering enough as is

[alpine island]

Make Kryptops compy sized

[clever sable]

But theoretically can you downsize it?

Like is it possible

[sullen cairn]

probably but rugops headswap is easier

granted the rugops here is just a spectro headswap with less stupid legs

[clever sable]

I think you should downsize it

[sullen cairn]

if i end up doing that by accident sure

[clever sable]

Also shouldn't it have the super short rugops legs?

[sullen cairn]

rugops doesn't have legs

[clever sable]

How can I convince you to attempt to downsize krytops as much as reasonably possible

[sullen cairn]

there's probably some weird way you can downsize it but kryptops is so fragmentary there really isn't much to do with it in the first place

[clever sable]

That's why it should be downsized as much as possible

[sullen cairn]

Downsizing bruhathkayosaurus is more important

[chilly knot]

Suchomimus predator

[stiff osprey]

I know how to downsize kryptops

Scale it based on the might rugop

[clever sable]

Downsizing krytops is more important, we need to make it stupid and pathetic

[sullen cairn]

i am mildly distressed by the fact someone actively made the choice to create that

[clever sable]

Now you have made 2 of these

[stiff osprey]

oh the might rugop isn't mine, it predates the pururus by several years

[clever sable]

(you made it after I showed you this beautiful screenshot of a conversation I once had with someone, they were very special

[clever sable]

Oh ok

[sullen cairn]

@clever sable you wanted this

[clever sable]

Yes

[sullen cairn]

mighty kyptop!

[white matrix]

Bros evolving into a frog

[sullen cairn]

rugops, a 30 foot long killing machine vs mighty rugop

[white matrix]

abelisaur episode after having grimace shake:

[sullen cairn]

god is dead and we have killed him

[light osprey]

Average Zealandian animal

[pearl briar]

hi guys i just ate a big rock

[viscid surge]

[steady rock]

oh.

[west coral]

why

[crude latch]

Hatzeg 2030

[west coral]

baruungoyot done

[light osprey]

This is what happens when all the fauna preserved are Lepidosaurs and Mammals

[white matrix]

Mammal supremacy!!!!!!!!!

[light osprey]

The dominant Mesozoic fauna 😈

[jagged trellis]

wrong, amphibians be on top non stop till it drops, even they come back in to see the win once again

[west coral]

in all of the nemegt basin i think each formation has 1 amphibian

[light osprey]

Preservation bias is a myth, this is the actual bio composition

[jagged trellis]

bingo, somewhere somehow they always be coming back

[light osprey]

The Maastrichtian Patagonian Rainforest is full of frogs 🐸

[white matrix]

Patagonia ftw

[west coral]

my current nemesis is oviraptorosaurs just by the fact of how many there are in this one basin

[white matrix]

They’re just built different

[steady rock]

do you take formation suggestions?

[fossil ingot]

Idk who I like More
Mosa or Tylo
(I don't have a Mosa Skeletak to compared )

[clever sable]

I love how homelander is the human for the comparison

[light osprey]

Tbf, there isn’t a perfect Mosasaurus skeletal rn

[crude latch]

Homeowner? 💀

[clever sable]

Oops

[crude latch]

Bros superpower is selling you high rent houses 💀

[clever sable]

Real

[fossil ingot]

Damn

[crude latch]

Tbf, there isn’t a perfect anything skeletal rn

[light osprey]

Real

[tough parcel]

Ngl, I thought that was just a quirky nickname 😭 I loved it

[chilly knot]

homelesslander

[crude latch]

What duh heeeell

[sand gyro]

Can someone tell me is a amphibian a separate group of reptile or not?

[woeful falcon]

amphibians aren't reptiles, they different groups

[sand gyro]

What is that group?

[white matrix]

.... Amphibians.....

[sand gyro]

Makes sense

[woeful falcon]

amphibia haha. idk if there's another term for it

[white matrix]

The groups in very broad terms are mammals, reptiles, amphibians and invertebrates. I personally list arthropods and soft bodied invertebrates separately

[tacit pine]

why homelander bruh ☠️

[sullen cairn]

its so cool lambor includes me himself for his human scale

[clever sable]

Nah, he's homeowner now

Also you should use Shrek for one of these

[sullen cairn]

better yet

[tacit pine]

Just realized Lamb was in this discord rn

very cool

[chilly knot]

im genuinely batman

[tacit pine]

lol

[sullen cairn]

why is lambor man?

[crude latch]

Put ‘em next to a smilo

[west coral]

always, just let me finish up nemegt basin first

[steady rock]

the formation you should do is the entirety of the morrison formation

[west coral]

ok

[steady rock]

oh

[compact leaf]

20 is the comedically oversized baro that is actually supersaurus now btw

[steady rock]

oh i know one

[steady rock]

do the Lourinhã Formation

[white matrix]

I challenge you to do a Cenozoic formation (literally not possible

[compact leaf]

it's just morrison part 2 electric boogaloo (minus like 8 sauropods)

[steady rock]

damn i need to think

[steady rock]

Shaximiao Formation

[steady rock]

is that more less sauropods then morrison

[west coral]

way less

It’s just a lot of one species (omei and mamenchi)

[steady rock]

oh.

[west coral]

Morrison will never be beat when it comes to sauropods

[compact leaf]

saying morrison sauropods are either overlumped or oversplit is a really good way to start a colossal argument in paleo circles

[steady rock]

what about Shishugou Formation

[west coral]

that i haven’t done

[steady rock]

finally, i got you there

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure there’s already a chart for it though

[west coral]

Here

[compact leaf]

oh dear

[steady rock]

why they look like that

[stiff osprey]

low res disease

[west coral]

it’s old

[steady rock]

do you have the prince creek formation

[west coral]

Just did it

[steady rock]

what is the second one 💀

[west coral]

Giant troodon

[steady rock]

oh.

[white matrix]

Wtf is that hadrosaur holy

[steady rock]

which one

[white matrix]

The tiny ones

[steady rock]

i thought we had adult edmonto material from prince creek

[west coral]

E. kuukpikensis

[west coral]

turns out we don’t atleast I don’t think

[steady rock]

damn

[sullen cairn]

isn't it just e. sp rn

[west coral]

I guess

kuukpikensis is just more fun to say

[sullen cairn]

it'd be cool if ugruunaluk was like an actual taxon and not invalid crap
it's a nice name

[west coral]

Yeah

[sullen cairn]

tbf nanuq seems to be going down the same route

[steady rock]

Wapiti Formation

[sullen cairn]

my two second pachyrhinosaurus youngi headswap will finally be useful for something

[steady rock]

table

we need to return to trilobites.

[sullen cairn]

not mesozoic = i can't be bothered to go out of my way to dig through the literature half the time

[compact leaf]

real

[steady rock]

im back as a trilobite.

[compact leaf]

I have a full trilobite, which isn't too hard to get but it's one of my prized possessions lol

[steady rock]

im no longer a trilobite

[west coral]

Nope

[steady rock]

why

[west coral]

Haven’t thought of making it, has like 2 fellas in it

[crude latch]

Santana formation? I hear it’s full of different pterosaurs, or are you not doing pterosaurs

[west coral]

no, but if you’re looking for pterosaurs I have done jurassic germany

[stiff osprey]

if europasaurus was a normal sized brachiosaur that ceratosaur and diplodocid would be horrifying

[crude latch]

Interesting and why not?

[west coral]

I’ll be honest I’m fairly new to size chart making, I haven’t really thought about Santana

[crude latch]

Ah ok

[west coral]

Might make it soon

[sullen cairn]

if you do remember the megaraptoran there

[stiff osprey]

I have to imagine Santana as an endless field of pterosaurs with a single megaraptoran hanging out there

[west coral]

Just two dinosaurs and a flock of seagulls

[sullen cairn]

plus irritator (and the indets) and a couple little theropods

[west coral]

I wonder how a compsognathid wound up in brazil

maybe it was on holiday

[stiff osprey]

the interaction between irritator and megaraptoran must've been interesting (provided the meg is actually from romualdo and not santana)

[sullen cairn]

its romualdo the description/revision just use dont raise it to romualdo formation

phuwiangvenator/vayuraptor and datanglong(?) also have spinosaurids which is neat

[west coral]

dzhadokhtskaya down, alagteeg left to go

then grand finale

[sullen cairn]

did you really have to use the most complex spelling

[west coral]

for the sake of effectlooking smarter, oui

[frosty anvil]

May I request a size chart for the future?

[steady rock]

you dont request, you DEMAND

[frosty anvil]

Naw thats annoying 😭 this stuff takes time and research i get it

I would like to demand request a size chart of early cretaceous utah and texas or wherever else acro roamed 👍

[steady rock]

you just gotta keep them happy and well fed in your basement, just ask table, hes fine in mine

[bright veldt]

It's an interesting ecosystem

Sauropelta, Deinonychus, Sauroposeidon, Paluxysaurus, Tenontosaurus, and those are just the well-known ones

[sullen cairn]

have a seven year old cloverly chart

[crude latch]

I DEMAND MY GYYATOSAURUS SKELATALS NOW

[frosty anvil]

Exactly! Thats why I request it lol

[steady rock]

no

[frosty anvil]

Oh shi thanks mate

Daaayum sauro was a big boy

Ur telling me acro hunted that thang????

[lavish frigate]

Guys I have the perfect skeletal idea….. ceratogaulus with this very not specific definitely not big ounce prairie dog as a comparison

[bright veldt]

Adults probably not. There was already a smaller sauropod if it wanted big game.

[frosty anvil]

Yeah thats much more feasible i just dont see it hunting a full grown sauro

Now i wonder what the heck big sauropods did actually have to worry about other than falling 5 inches and breaking their ankles

[bright veldt]

Sauropods are r-selected so you can imagine that they were constantly at risk when younger.

[frosty anvil]

100% but im talkin full grown adults here (or maybe even subadults, i reckon once they got to that stage it was all smooth sailing from there)

[sullen cairn]

wait random actually has done size inferred from relatives before
this means there is a 1/3 chance i can make the pycno-sympatric megaraptoran maip-tier

[west coral]

alagteeg done, empty

grand finale time

[light osprey]

Riveting stuff

[sullen cairn]

oh crap

[west coral]

now this is riveting

best place to be during the upper cretaceous and i will die on that hill

[light osprey]

Pass

[sullen cairn]

cripes how many ankylosaurs is that

[light osprey]

*mm yes, because they all represent distinct taxon

[west coral]

mm yes ten distinct species of ankylosaurs is a sane amount mm yes

[sullen cairn]

you can at the very least have dyoplosaurus giganteus since it has a name attached

[light osprey]

I bet the South China coast is nice in the Cretaceous 🤔. Before rampant volcanism or something

[sullen cairn]

also i have bad news

[west coral]

did you shrink something again

[sullen cairn]

maybe

[crude latch]

😨

[light osprey]

Shrinking is good. I think

[west coral]

may god save us from what table is about to do

[sullen cairn]

so about the maip-tier rio preto caudal

[crude latch]

😰

[light osprey]

Yes, this sounds like good news

[sullen cairn]

apparently its actually a sacral

[light osprey]

Anyway, is there actual Dromaeosaurine material in Udurchukan or is this sussy

[sullen cairn]

they were described as such as prolly

[west coral]

there’s also apparently an opisthocoelicaudiine besides arkharavia

[light osprey]

A tooth to be exact

In our hearts, it belongs to to a giant Opisthocoelicaudine, cause it’s cooler that way

[west coral]

[frosty anvil]

100% agree with you on that

[plain stirrup]

was mononykus an omnivore?

[flat pond]

Anyone able to do a size chart for all of the known species that lived in Appalachia during the Cretaceous?

[west coral]

Known meaning described, or including indets?

[flat pond]

Primarily described.

[light osprey]

Be sure to include the Neosuchians, so the chart isn’t bare as hell

[west coral]

So navesink, new egypt, severn, demopolis and donho creek?

[light osprey]

Hornerstown as well

[cloud dagger]

I started sketching my second skeletal project, biarmosuchus. The only skeletal made of it is done by david peters lol. The synapsid posture is weird so i did some 3d modelling to see i get the leg bones right because all photographs have perspective and skeletals tend to be more in an orthographic view

[white matrix]

Is that randoms drypto?

[flat pond]

Man, so very few described ones.

Then again, I blame the glaciers

[light osprey]

True…

[flat pond]

Appalachiosaurus is the dark red one, correct?

[light osprey]

I think it’s Duncan’s Appalachiosaurus

[compact leaf]

isn't there a described nodosaur from appalachia too?

[west coral]

Yes

[west coral]

Yes

[light osprey]

Described maybe, named absolutely not

[snow python]

Is Lateni invalid now?

[compact leaf]

yeah it got sank into stenonychosaurus

[little mauve]

Technically a few middle and early Cretaceous Appalachian nodosaurs have been named: Niobrarasaurus, Silvisaurus, etc. This chart seems to be Late Cretaceous though and those nodos are definitely unnamed

https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2018/2123-appalachia-biogeography great paper

[light osprey]

Niobrarasaurus is Appalachian?

[little mauve]

Yep, it's a floater from the east side of the WIS

[compact leaf]

a lot of what we have from appalachia is like that, coastal or marine deposits with a lot of floaters

[tacit pine]

i would like to demand a size chart for western interior sea way fauna gg ez

[latent cove]

Alguien q me ayude a crecer

Soy un sarco adolescente

[candid ledge]

Hello! You can post in #looking-for-group to find other players to help you or in #español

[ocean brook]

S. ungulatus is like 10m right?

[white matrix]

I think I get what you meant now when you said gbones gives the best papers of all time

[sullen cairn]

large ducks and their friends

[woeful falcon]

where is gorgosaurus friend....

[abstract flame]

Did Suchomimus really used to dive?

[woeful falcon]

so many daspletosaurs not one gorgosaurus...

[abstract flame]

The friends are the hunters?

[abstract flame]

?

I just read in Wikipedia that Suchomimus couldn’t dive because it had hollow bones, is that true?

[bright veldt]

No. It was easily the most terrestrial of the tested spinosaurs. It was more like a heron.

[sullen cairn]

i just did biggest thing from each formation and i'm not very confident in big gorgo being larger than the dinosaur park das

[woeful falcon]

screw your confidence

[bright veldt]

That also likely predated a fair chunk of other prey given it was easily the largest terrestrial animal in its environment.

[abstract flame]

Yeah, that’s what says in Wikipedia but I wasn’t sure.

[abstract flame]

Thank you.

[sullen cairn]

they have like the same torso height but gorgo has rattail but also way longer legs

[abstract flame]

?

[sullen cairn]

yes

[abstract flame]

Oh, thank you.

[woeful falcon]

a beaut

[compact leaf]

there is an undescribed brachiosaurid there too, which would almost certainly be bigger

[compact leaf]

it’s buried in an old french journal but it does exist

[abstract flame]

Yeah, there were sauropods

[sullen cairn]

me when no rattail albertosaurine gdi

[woeful falcon]

(I figured it was a chart of large hadrosaur and their dominent predators and wanted an excuse to shoehorn in my beloved)

[sullen cairn]

do you have pdf/name

also there's a brachiosaurid in kirkwood which is cool

[compact leaf]

I'm looking for a pdf right now but it's hard to track down, P. Taquet. 1976. Géologie et Paléontologie du Gisement de Gadoufaoua (Aptien du Niger) [Geology and Paleontology of the Gadoufaoua Locality (Aptian of Niger)]. Cahiers de Paléontologie, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, Paris 1-191

[compact leaf]

brachiosaurids were super widespread there's just not a lot of them and they preserve horribly even by sauropod standards so we don't know how they got places or how long they lasted

[sullen cairn]

its nice that the only part of that journal to exist online is just about ouranosaurus

[compact leaf]

yeah pretty much

[sullen cairn]

imma put everything dinosaur in that kem kem chart in neutral

[west coral]

the one with the things besides dinosaurs too?

[sullen cairn]

the only not dinosaurs there are a couple tiny pseudosuchians i don't care enough to touch again

[sullen cairn]

oh hey that one disgusting rebbachisaurus

[west coral]

is there anything better?

[clever sable]

Omg maraapunisaurus guys totally real with reliable measurements

(Ik it's not maraapunisaurus)

[lavish frigate]

Maraapunisaurus is my favorite [REDACTED]

[white matrix]

Terrible hand is very perfect

[sullen cairn]

neutral lurdusaurus (man)

luckily we still have iguanodon being 6t for some reason to preserve the clade's dignity

[fossil ingot]

How Big is Sucho compared to Iggy?

[fossil ingot]

Or is that Sucho?

[sullen cairn]

that's riparovenator and ceratosuchops

[fossil ingot]

How Big are Both?

[sullen cairn]

riparo's like 10.5m and cerato's um

~9.6m

this is largest sucho and iggy

iggy's prolly something like half a ton larger

maybe a bit more

[compact leaf]

I always forget how stacked iggy is

[sullen cairn]

hmm today i will grow over four tons larger than the resident carcharodontosaur for some reason

[tough parcel]

POV: Lurdusaurus...

[west coral]

Which one

[sullen cairn]

he can do it

[tough parcel]

Gimme the Lurdu skeletal, I have a plan

[sullen cairn]

neovenator

[tough parcel]

Table please, gimme Lurdu

[tough parcel]

Yayyyy tysm

6 ton Edmonto vs 6 ton Lurdu (I have to beat this dead horse)

[bright veldt]

I got 4.5 tons scaling from a relative for Lurdu

[sullen cairn]

3.1t scaling with random's iggy

[west coral]

poor lurdu getting beat around a bush

[sullen cairn]

are there any styracosternans closer to lurdu than iggy that even have recent volumetric estimates

[sullen cairn]

is that femur man or skull man
also i just put a regalis in neutral this morning so funny coinkydink

[tough parcel]

Idk, I just used the gdi

[sullen cairn]

right i completely forgot that existed

if i am to believe paleofile the gdi specimen is just a skull but also its paleofile so that got us nowhere

[compact leaf]

I figured out a way to get it if I really feel like it but I’m not ordering it from the Australian Museum

why does the australian museum even have it

[sullen cairn]

pot should start a fundraiser to help you buy a fifty year-old journal in french

[compact leaf]

my luck id get it and there wouldn’t even be pictures

[sullen cairn]

paleobiodb says this about the journal so that's a great sign

[compact leaf]

oh that’s lovely

does it say what the remains are even? I remember it being teeth for some reason which is sort of diagnostic if there’s even pictures

[sullen cairn]

nah thats just for the entire journal's taxonomy, doesn't specify anything for the supposed brachiosaurid

[compact leaf]

I’m going to rip the elrhaz formation apart with my bare hands to find more remains

[clever sable]

Where did 6-7 tonne lurdu even come from

[tough parcel]

JFD/KM's secret private stash, but apparently it wasn't actually JFD according to random, so just KM's private stash

[sullen cairn]

limb allometry got 5.5t in the description

[clever sable]

Ngl some of the things KM says are kinda out there

[clever sable]

Limb allometry also is notorious for overestimating quadrupeds and underestimating bipeds

[sullen cairn]

no kidding lmao

[white matrix]

like what usually?

[clever sable]

6-7 tonne lurdu

5 tonne pycno

A couple others

Usually just some weird stuff

Oh yeah also Edmontosaurus being primarily bipedal

[sullen cairn]

this is quite unlike myself, who has never made or purported outlandish claims on the internet

[white matrix]

5 ton pycno seems like something table would do lmao ngl

or actually he'd downsize it

[sullen cairn]

i could and have been able to downsize urc before but that's scaling with non-abelisaurus taxa and i'm really only confident scaling with abelisaurus due to the lack of comparison with anything else
also you can make it absurdly large pretty easily so it balances it out

and technically the 9.9m length i like to use is downsized from the more common 10.3m

although 5t pycno is something i don't like because it derives from the idea that urc is an adult pycno

[west coral]

ouled abdoun

[sullen cairn]

now i want paleoart of chenanisaurus jumping a mosasaur in shallow water

[west coral]

boredom strikes again ⚡️

[low cairn]

Best Dino?

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus

[west coral]

opisthocoelicaudia

[sullen cairn]

where ajnabia

[west coral]

crap

damn it now i need to wait until next free save

[sullen cairn]

change the time and date in setting rq

[white matrix]

you guys should watch a show or something if chart making is the only entertainment lol

[west coral]

i watch a show while chart making

and besides, gotta be productive in some way

[white matrix]

watch molecular physics

[crude latch]

We’re there ever any ever like? Large prehistoric Shrews? Like direct Shrew descendants

Not like yk, shrew looking mammals

[lucid ibex]

God I love Sacabambapsis so much.

[dry kindle]

Can we mention how damn large anzu is? Credt to RTLP2929 on Deviantart

Was I the only one who thought anzu was oviraptor sized

[sullen cairn]

giganzu takes another victim

[woeful falcon]

Anzu a big boi, even excluding giganzu

[bright veldt]

Yeah no Anzu is massive.

[sullen cairn]

giganzu isn't just the tibia and footprints and stuff
giganzu is an idea

[surreal stone]

no way is that tableseating! (dont mind my pfp im not worm just look at my username its for a meme in PH discord lol)

also yeah i just joined, yeah i should have way earlier, yeah i dont know what to put here

[surreal stone]

and also scanova XD

[sullen cairn]

welcome to paleo chat we have cookies and me downsizing things

[surreal stone]

as id expect from PH

[woeful falcon]

Anyone got any crispy shoni art

Papa needs to imagine some mod things and could use some quality art to aid

[surreal stone]

should i become active on this server... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sullen cairn]

actually there aren't cookies so just downsizes and stuff
and other poorly thought-out ideas

[surreal stone]

poggers

[steady rock]

wasnt camarasaurus supringsly fast for a sauropod?

[surreal stone]

bruh PANTZ is here aswell

also yes i belive it was if i remember correctltyXD

[sullen cairn]

would you believe but bruhath has shrunk a good bit more since the last time i touched ph
so that's fun

[steady rock]

do i know you

[surreal stone]

primeval horizon discord

[steady rock]

oh, i thought you were this one annoying ass person on the fnaf discord that posts ugly ass ai fnaf art

[surreal stone]

c'mon im eight most active 😭 you dont even know me

[surreal stone]

this pfp i got today to impersonate somebody lol

[steady rock]

i know you, i just know many diers

[surreal stone]

i meeeeeaaaaan, me crime?! what! no, i would no crime!!!

[surreal stone]

lol, rly?! how many servers you on, im on 57 and im the only one ive found, on any platform

[steady rock]

erm, we must speak plaeo

[surreal stone]

ahhh yes, squalicorax, squalicorax, spinosaurus, spinosaurus

yes? right? i am very paleo talk person corect?

[steady rock]

um yea sure

[sullen cairn]

i concur

[surreal stone]

we very paleo here in paleo chat

[steady rock]

name a better creature, i'll wait

[surreal stone]

what up paleo-peeps! we very paleo here

[surreal stone]

AHE-AHEM, creb and omnidens

[steady rock]

dier why must you have stolen ai art as your pfp, it hurts my eyes

[surreal stone]

its wormwoodmains old pfp, i was impersonating him. ill change it back now lol

why didnt it change 😭

am i stuck like this forever? NOOOOOOOO!

[sullen cairn]

close discord or something

[surreal stone]

good idea

yey, its fixed now

[steady rock]

much better

so dier, whats your favorite paleo formation

[surreal stone]

probably the morrisson but im doing a lot of stuff relating to the morrisson so im definately biased

like making a videogame about it

[steady rock]

basic but cool

[surreal stone]

anyway ima read through #role-setup and see some stuffs

[steady rock]

the morrison is just sauropods, some stegosaurids, some ornithopoda,2 ankylosaurs and like, 7 therapods

[surreal stone]

but you got to admit, it has ceratodus (the extinct 2 meter long one)

[steady rock]

it looks depressed, im also going to bed, good night dier and table

[surreal stone]

night

[sullen cairn]

is witton cheating

[surreal stone]

oooh yeah ive seen that, its honestly amazing

[sullen cairn]

more thing

[lucid ibex]

When Mark Witton art

[chilly knot]

Who the purple mosa

[snow python]

Are C. Dentisulcatus and Magnicornis valid?

[surreal stone]

actually surprisingly PoT didnt just make them up, its being discussed heavily at the moment so currently there is not an answer to your question sadly

[west coral]

gavial

[tacit pine]

Yooo

What formation is that for

[stiff osprey]

sidi chenane or something

[west coral]

maastrichian ouled abdoun

[tacit pine]

Alr

[compact leaf]

thescelosaurus and a lot of small ornithopods like it are thought to have been burrowers

[sullen cairn]

And we’ve found oryctodromeus in burrows which is pretty damning

[little mauve]

Leptoceratops has burrows associated with it as well

[west coral]

I’m also pretty sure there’s a indet. ankylosaur found in a burrow

[crude latch]

w h a t

[steady rock]

i thought it was a trench

[crude latch]

A burrowing ankylosaurid sounds sick af ngl

[crude latch]

Also?

[west coral]

Don’t think so no

[crude latch]

Womp Womp Womp

Any Atleast shrew descendants?

[west coral]

turns out it just dug itself into a hole for protection, no burrowing

[crude latch]

Womp Womp Womp

[west coral]

I’m not good with mammals, but probably

[crude latch]

I need a mole ankylo

Stuart’s good with mammals I’ll go ask em

[tawdry carbon]

Is there a good online data base for fossil listings and paleo info on dinosaurs (etc)?

Just somewhere I can go to for info on anything

[flat pond]

Never knew how interesting the South was for Maastrichtian Laramidia

[tawdry carbon]

Every time I look stuff up I find multiple sites that contradict each other

[sudden wind]

squid eater
banaracles
throat slits

https://tenor.com/view/theres-so-much-cap-ted-family-guy-cap-achilles-gif-20993070

[bright veldt]

This piece was made prior to the whole shoni macropedation thing came to light

But yeah the other two are Ls

[bright veldt]

No. Both are just larger/older C. nasicornis

[woeful falcon]

My doors are still open for more shoni illustrations

[elfin pulsar]

Thought it was gonna be the original gif and was so confused

[sudden wind]

lmfao

[elfin pulsar]

What’s wrong w the barnacles tho?

[tranquil quartz]

Epibiotic barnacles (barnacles anchored to a living thing) that can anchor on marine mammals and reptiles were found to only have evolved in the Cenozoic, eliminating the possibility of their presence on the marine reptiles of the Mesozoic

Im an extra idiot
My brain just malfunctioned twice

[elfin pulsar]

Oh really? That’s interesting

[woeful falcon]

The double idiot strat, rarely deployed but always a gem

[tranquil quartz]

This doesn’t mean that Mesozoic marine reptiles didn’t suffer from parasites. Lampreys have been around since the Paleozoic, cookie cutter sharks as Hessinodon could have plagued marine reptiles , as well as ancient leeches.

You mean in present day or just in general?

[elfin pulsar]

Aren’t tuataras their own thing

[compact leaf]

traditionally you've got squamates (so lizards and snakes), archosaurs (which contains crocodilians, dinosaurs, and pterosaurs), testudines (turtles and tortoises), and then tuataras are their own thing

[elfin pulsar]

Tuataras are weird huh

[little mauve]

You can say lepidosaurs instead of squamates and cover tuataras

[compact leaf]

yeah you can do that too, some people split all three into their own orders

[stiff osprey]

you can't really define more than two or three distinct reptile groups because then you're comparing like, orders to classes

[little mauve]

Archelosauria and lepidosauria are how I personally define it

[stiff osprey]

"there are five kinds of mammal: whale, rodent, carnivoran, ungulate, and echidna"

[compact leaf]

that's a good way to do it

[sullen cairn]

10m Pycnonemosaurus: Overused. Cliche. Unoriginal. Convoluted. Based on outdated stratigraphy. Not well supported.

5m Rugops: Novel. Consistent. Calls back to tradition. Supported by evidence.

[stiff osprey]

sat in this channel for 5 minutes waiting for table to type this and boy i have understood none of it

[sullen cairn]

i have taken a liking to 5m adult rugops purely out of spite for 10m urc pycno attempts

[stiff osprey]

is there actually evidence rugops is immature

[woeful falcon]

it's small, what more evidence do you need

[sullen cairn]

For example the types of Xenotarsosaurus bonapartei, Eoabelisaurus, and Aucasaurus are considered mature individuals because they have a fused tibia and astragalus12,42 (Fig. 3C and D), whereas the type of Rugops has been suggested as being an immature individua based on the fusion of the cranial elements3 (see above).

[stiff osprey]

oh

[sullen cairn]

lmao they misspelled individual

they forgot the L because rugops takes no Ls

[stiff osprey]

10m pycno and 5m rugops are almost exactly as valid as each other

10m pycno actually wins by like 5 percent

[sullen cairn]

5m rugops has overlap and is practically identical

[tough parcel]

Wait, if Rugops isn’t an adult…I can make a hypothetical 10m adult Rugops

[stiff osprey]

CMN 50something adult rugops

[sullen cairn]

project adult size the big vert using the same percentage difference as rugops and cmn because cmn is subadult too

[stiff osprey]

a 32 foot killing machine

[tough parcel]

It outcompeted the apex predator Spinosaurus…

[sullen cairn]

cmn is 2.04328018x the length of subadult rugops, so logically adult cmn would be 2.04328018x its own length

[stiff osprey]

if I had a nickel for every CMN specimen that is an ungodly large theropod from kem kem i'd have at least two nickels

three actually because they have a C.saharicus neck vert

[sullen cairn]

considering cmn is the same length as pycno people should be very accepting of 10m adult cmn

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[sullen cairn]

the conclusion here being 18m adult abelisaur

[tough parcel]

Oh dope

[stiff osprey]

a 33 foot killing machine!

[tough parcel]

Kids on DA remaking Monsters Resurrected to be accurate:

[sullen cairn]

rugops, a thirty three foot long killing machine

is on the hunt

now to figure out how i can avoid upsizing the libyan thing from 7m cause it has kinda long estimated long bones

y'know 5m rugops would be like the most average possible abelisaur length

and for the curious 5m rugops is cause this thing is practically one step removed from being rugops

i'm pretty sure it was gonna be referred to rugops initially

[white matrix]

Speaking of ungodly large North African theropods, JP3 compared to NHMUK dentary

[white matrix]

Just wait til you learn how big Rudy was in Ice Age 3

[fossil ingot]

I mean, JP3 Spino Skull is about 7-8Ft long (stated that size) so I am not surprisenis that Big lol

[fossil ingot]

Rudy was like 120ft long
He was massive

[white matrix]

The only thing bigger than Rudy is your mom (I'm sorry I couldn't help it)

[stiff osprey]

That one sauropod that casually holds 2 mammoths on its neck:

[white matrix]

uh I wanted to sort of be transparent, recently I’ve never really felt like I fit in here as much as I thought, which got me too look into other fields as well as a source of entertainment and I was very perpetuated into finding something. That something has been Forensic Sciences usually could either be natural science or chemical based science, I’ve never felt more congenial than ever before so this has led me to pursue this field adjourning my interest in paleontology. So I wouldn’t say goodbye, I’ll hopefully pop in from time-to-time, and yeah.

• TK

[crude latch]

I wish you luck TK, See you another time 😔

[tough parcel]

Bless you sir, I hope you find much prosperity in your chosen field

[stuck chasm]

@latent cove Please post your referral links in our #refer-a-friend channel instead. Thank you!

[compact leaf]

god bless, and don’t let the proboscideans get you

[white matrix]

https://vxtwitter.com/beagliam/status/1728999249634111754?s=46

[crude latch]

Wow that things massive

[white matrix]

Yea and that specimen is a subadult

[crude latch]

Wow

And that things in the same thing as like what? Struthi

[white matrix]

It’s an older and larger subadult nearing the stop of size but it’s still kind of crazy, and yea it’s closely related to struthi, galli, and deinocheirus, it’s a basal Ornithimimosaur

[crude latch]

That’s insane

[white matrix]

Yea it’s a cool animal

[pearl briar]

Left: things that ppl imagine if meg & livy met each other
Right: things that would actually happened if meg & livy met each other

[white matrix]

Ah. I see now.
https://x.com/ARGAtheropodfan/status/1728579541235609892?s=20

[white matrix]

Wasn't Livy much smaller than Meg actually? Wouldn't Meg just see Livy as food?

[idle talon]

they were about the same size

[white matrix]

I swear there were findings that suggested Livy was much smaller, whatever

[woeful falcon]

The largest megalodon dwarf livyatans, I can say that much

[serene moat]

L meg, bro went extinct tho

[lapis lintel]

horseshoe crabs probably said "ez" to the megs

[serene moat]

Is the largest trike specimen 8 tons?

[clever sable]

Around that yeah

[sudden wind]

L Livy, it appeared later and went extinct earlier.

[sudden wind]

Depends of said Meg specimen. "Average" (which does not mean much given sexual dimorphism in lamniforms) would be about 20 tons heavier than the Livys we have.

But we have very few sample of Livyathan specimens, with only one skull. So who knows.

[white matrix]

Potentially larger(?) it’s all fragmented tho

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that even the smallest adult megs were comparable to Livyatan in size

Meg being generally larger isn’t a shock

[serene moat]

That's okay cuz sperm whale is here now, on the other hand meg became an orca victim

[west coral]

Is alamosaurus an opisthocoelicaudiine, or related to the megatitanosaurs from south america?

[stiff osprey]

yes.

[west coral]

alright thanks random

[novel atlas]

https://vxtwitter.com/fredthedinoman/status/1729181447322505716?s=46

[fallow citrus]

oooooh, pretty

[sudden wind]

That's plan out wrong.

Orcinus genus at this time was only composed of Orcinus citoniensis, which is bottlenose sized

Current sperm whales also are much more derived than Livyathan was, being a basal Physeteroid. Their last common ancestors did split very early in the super family's evolution.

[bright veldt]

A lot of the modern day megafauna in the seas is very much the result of a megalodon-free environment lol

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/unus-annus-markiplier-favorite-green-screen-meme-i-think-about-this-every-day-gif-540335293201984056

[tranquil quartz]

Megladon was just a menace

[meager spindle]

Idk Mosasaurus Hoffmanni had the black timbs to kill everything at the time.

[elder kettle]

https://images.app.goo.gl/EXgwrcUfKL2QzCy5A

[sullen cairn]

the "apex dromaeosaur" when it sees its 600kg tyrannosauroid and 3t chicken neighbors

[west coral]

there is no way alectro sp. is 600kg

[surreal stone]

i-i honestly think all of primeval horizon is here

[sullen cairn]

for a nearly 6m tyrannosauroid it seems fair enough

[woeful falcon]

I reckon that's bc everyone in PH came from here

[tough parcel]

^

[bright veldt]

500-700 kilos is standard for a theropod of that length

Concavenator is in that same range

[elder kettle]

What was the biggest turkey y’all ?

[bright veldt]

Sorry?

[stiff osprey]

Tyson

[serene moat]

Duck

[tough parcel]

I can't tell if this is a real answer or a "random" answer and I don't think I want to know

[tranquil quartz]

Nah it was Tyson 86 pound thanksgiving monstrosity

[viscid surge]

Nah Mike Tyson is just secretly a Turkey

[compact leaf]

an 86 pound turkey is actually crazy

[abstract flame]

Which are the best place (books, websites, series, films, etc.) to get information about dinosaurs?

[sullen cairn]

after some pruning i managed to make kryptops a whooping <5% smaller

this accomplishes nothing

[clever sable]

Woohoo

Take that krytops

[sullen cairn]

i think he still has a chance

[clever sable]

Krytops was secretly an Apex predator

[sullen cairn]

mighty kryptop was a master of its domain

[clever sable]

TRUE

[sullen cairn]

might kryptop never dies

[steady rock]

can you compare sucho and ourano?

[compact leaf]

neither of them stand a chance against the mighty kryptop

or the totally real definite elrhaz brachiosaurid that couldn’t be anything else and is totally a fossil that exists

[surreal stone]

surely not everyone? I mean i didnt lol

[sullen cairn]

they will all be slaughtered...

[surreal stone]

Doom music

[woeful falcon]

No not everyone actually haha. But you'll see a good chunk

[surreal stone]

Yeah so far atleast i have lol

[surreal stone]

oh… there’s fred XD

[white matrix]

What did bro say?

[sullen cairn]

might krypop

[clever sable]

Is krytops the smallest abelisaur?

[sullen cairn]

there's like 10 that are smaller (although a couple are teeth and i forgot how i scaled another one)

[idle talon]

is latenivenatrix still a valid genus?

[surreal stone]

no, not even close actually

[sullen cairn]

junior synonym of stenonychosaurus

[white matrix]

I still use Laten as the name cause it rolls off the tongue better

[idle talon]

not exactly sure what that means but alright

[surreal stone]

hard to tell at the moment lol, there is some fairly heavy debate, we don’t quite know but probably not… probably

[clever sable]

Now I'm sad

If only there was a way to make it even smaller but a 5% shrink is still significant enough and bottom 10 is good enough

[sullen cairn]

laten and steny are the same so laten gets lumped into stenonychosaurus

[idle talon]

laten's gotta at least be it's own subspecies though because of the size difference

[surreal stone]

are you really saying that latenivenatrix rolls of the tounge XD

[idle talon]

it just sounds better then stenonychasaurus

[surreal stone]

junior synonym 💀

[clever sable]

Can you make a comparison between krytops and Tyrannosaurus?

[surreal stone]

they are both a bit quirky but in my opinion both sounds pretty nice lol

[idle talon]

but what does that mean?

[surreal stone]

one is just a juvinile version of the other

[sullen cairn]

they're the same animal, but stenonychosaurus takes priority as the correct name

[surreal stone]

^

[idle talon]

ain't laten bigger then stenon so stenon is the juvenile then

[clever sable]

Deinosuchus hatcheri compared to tyrannosaurus rex

[surreal stone]

yeah, but sten was found first sooooooo… the name should be its

[sullen cairn]

might krypop destroys all who stand in his wake

[idle talon]

but didn't troodon come before all of them so why isn't it called troodon?

[surreal stone]

deinosuchus still scares me to this day, absoluetly terrifing, and apparently it weighed more than rex aswell, and the fact they lived at the same time and place, i can only imsgine

[clever sable]

The krytop

The discovery of krytop was the most significant Paleo discovery of a time

[surreal stone]

well in this case they actually most likely are a different species to troodon

[sullen cairn]

troodon is just a tooth which isn't diagnostic beyond being a troodontid

[idle talon]

right I forgot about that

[white matrix]

Even then it gets confused

[clever sable]

Tyrannosaurus and deinosuchus didn't live together

Deinosuchus is from like 10 million years before tyrannosaurus

[surreal stone]

and also this yeah lol, troodon should NOT exist

[idle talon]

pectinodon is still it's own thing yes?

[surreal stone]

damn, dinofax lied to me

[white matrix]

He be doing that sometimes

[surreal stone]

idk, forgot lol

[bright veldt]

Technically yes, but Pectinodon is also a tooth taxa aka who cares

[clever sable]

He isn't the best source

But deinosuchus schwimmeri did live with a Tyrannosaur

Idk about hatcheri though

[surreal stone]

sad, also your here too? Nice lol

[idle talon]

given that they lived in completely different time periods I'd say so?

[white matrix]

I am everywhere

[sullen cairn]

say the line

[bright veldt]

Basically all of them? If a tyrannosaur bordered the West Interior Seaway it was in Deinosuchus territory

[surreal stone]

yeah i know, i know, i know, but i cant stop watching lol

[clever sable]

(also yes technically the deinosuchus in the comparison with rex is based on scale bars so it isn't exactly reliable but there is a specimen that isn't based on scale bars that is only slightly smaller than the one in the comparison)

[white matrix]

He’s entertaining but he’s far from a source, watch him for entertainment and barebones info

[idle talon]

and there's also that Alaskan troodontid that's yet to be named

[bright veldt]

and wont be cause just teeth

[white matrix]

I thought that was teeth as well

[sullen cairn]

there's some braincases too

[surreal stone]

troodon got special treatment fr

[bright veldt]

Oh thats new to me

[idle talon]

ffs are all troodontids just teeth?

[surreal stone]

huh, i didn’t know that, cool lol

[white matrix]

We only stan tooth taxa Troodontids here, you don’t get to make large Troodon a reality

[surreal stone]

a fair portion of all extinct creatures are actually lol

[bright veldt]

There's like 3 dozen troodontids. People just care about the fake one.

[white matrix]

The fake one is always made like the biggest and has an easy name

[idle talon]

I've only ever heard about 3 of them which just turns out to be 2

[surreal stone]

Bro you find a tooth what else you gonna name it lol

[white matrix]

The only tooth taxon that should be saved is Carcharodontosaurus

[bright veldt]

you don't

[sullen cairn]

don't name it

[surreal stone]

the hell does indet mean

[bright veldt]

Indeterminate

[surreal stone]

fair lol, smartass

[bright veldt]

I can tell you're new here cause that's my entire schtick

[idle talon]

the country I was born in only has one dinosaur known to live there but where I live now has more dinosaurs then any other country afaik

[compact leaf]

in a perfect world non diagnostic specimens and single vertebrae would be catalogued and stored in a way that makes sense but wouldn’t be named until more material was found, but we don’t live in a perfect world so we end up with tooth taxa

[surreal stone]

greenland, america

[idle talon]

wait, ain't megalodon just teeth too?

[sullen cairn]

indet exists so things like this don't have to be named

[tiny holly]

rapator moment

[white matrix]

Shark teeth are more diagnostic iirc

[idle talon]

Ireland, Canada

[surreal stone]

am i right? Lol

[compact leaf]

shark teeth can be fairly diagnostic yeah, that and megalodon is just bigger than the others so not much confusion

[surreal stone]

darn, america isnt a country

[idle talon]

I mean I guess they are the only bits that fossilize when it comes to sharks

[bright veldt]

The reason why dinosaur tooth taxa are problematic is cause dinosaur teeth aren't diagnostic (aka whether you can actually see something unique about them or not). For example, with troodontid teeth, they basically look identical across the entire family. You can't really say it's anything but "a troodontid". Sharks and mammals actually have distinctive teeth lol

[west coral]

this gets described but Kenyan giant doesn’t, what a world

[surreal stone]

yeah thats correct

[bright veldt]

Megalodon is also known from vertebrae and a skull at this point.

[tiny holly]

dinosaur teeth within the same family are basically always the same. Though at the very least it is a nice way to indicate that family had a presence in that area, even if its nothing more specific

[surreal stone]

anyways i have a youtube channel to attend to, nice chat though, was rather enjoyable

[white matrix]

Mammal teeth are also pretty diagnostic, dinosaurs have continuously replacing teeth so they don’t have the evolutionary pressure that mammals do to like make their teeth super strong and specialized to their behavior, so dinosaurs can kind of just “get by” with ancestral teeth, at least to my understanding

[compact leaf]

the heap of english brachiosaurids known from more than just a single bone:

[white matrix]

Unless your name is IPHG 1922 then say you know what I’m going to make my teeth pure triangles unlike other carcharodontosaurids

[sullen cairn]

this, as well as mammalian cunning, allowed for the rise of the mammalian dynasty over the archaic, sluggish reptiles of old

[woeful falcon]

^

[tiny holly]

Teeth are what we find most often with sharks because they are shedding teeth basically constantly so they really are just everywhere. If you go to a fossil bed that had sharks it probably wont take you long to find a few shark teeth. Just because they're made of cartilidge doesnt mean the rest of their skeleton doesn't fossilise, it just does so more rarely than bone. The upside of that is that when it does fossilise, it often does so incredibly well

[west coral]

that one recently discovered stegosaur with preservation on the same level as archaeopteryx and sinornithosaurus

[idle talon]

the province I live in in Canada has had the remains of tyrannosaurus, triceratops, stenonychosaurus, pectinodon, edmontosaurus, ankylosaurus, dromaeosaurus, mosasaurus, cyrodrakon and some big dromaeosaur tooth from an unknown dromaeosaur that is likely dakotaraptor

[compact leaf]

that makes me want to cry, someone please just describe it

[bright veldt]

Dakotaraptor doesn't exist either

[idle talon]

let me guess, it's a turtle?

[bright veldt]

Not that actually. There's more to it.

[tiny holly]

I'm pretty stoken about that well preserved stegosaur, I hope we get to hear more about that sometime in the next few years cus just based on the pictures it looks insane

[white matrix]

Look at my baby’s teeth preserved in its own maxilla, pure triangle, also Stromer marked several other teeth as preserved befote damage to the fossil in transir

[sullen cairn]

turtle and every other coelurosaur that isn't a dromaeosaur (but hey there's still maybe a dromie caudal and metatarsal in there)

not diagnostic on the generic level but its something (maybe)

[white matrix]

I want to do something with this when I’m older, but they match some teeth from the Kem Kem Beds as well, tooth C from the monograph

[idle talon]

but they still found a large dromaeosaur tooth down by Eastend so there was something like it at least

[west coral]

There’s also apparently a Hungarian mamenchisaur, which would be fairly interesting if described

[compact leaf]

we should all be very grateful that stromer took such good notes

[white matrix]

We also might have a jakapil-esc thyreophoran from the Kem Kem beds as well

[bright veldt]

The paleontologist that discovered Dakotaraptor is actually a monster. Stolen work from other paleontologists and claimed it as his own (meaning his credibility as a scientist no longer exists), even before that he has refused to let other sceitnists see the remains (suspicious), and other paleontologists have pointed out that it's remains are likely a chimera of various other coelurosaurs (vertebrae being an ornithomimid, legs being an oviraptorosaur, the "sickle claw" actually a tyrannosaur hand claw)

[idle talon]

the only thing found in Ireland was part of a megalosaurus

[idle talon]

different guy who found the tooth in Saskatchewan though

[compact leaf]

now that is a paper I’d be very interested in reading, because that would be a whole new level of weird

[bright veldt]

I mean yeah, I'm not discredditing that. Clarifying that Dakotaraptor as a name is just dead.

[tiny holly]

The problem with any definitively dromeosaur "dakotaraptor" remains at this point is distinguishing whether its just... archeroraptor.

[idle talon]

alright

[bright veldt]

There's no serious dromaeosaur remains from what we can tell, but if there is? Could just be a large acheroraptor considering acheroraptor itself isn't known from much at all.

[idle talon]

it's possible or could just be something else entirely

[white matrix]

I think the caudals and some other bits are dromaeosaur, but not a definitively large or especially not a diagnostic one

[bright veldt]

It's iffy. Even then if you scale the vertebrae then "dakota" is only about the size of deinonychus so.

[white matrix]

DePalma is just an A hole

[bright veldt]

An actual menace

[idle talon]

my father found some sort of pterosaur once in his paleontologist days

[compact leaf]

it’d be interesting if cau was right and there’s therizinosaur in there too, but holtz seems to think juvenile rex and I trust his judgement

[sullen cairn]

luckily we can always have some qualified look at the dakotaraptor material, right?

[bright veldt]

His finding of the Tanis site is aqlso heavily put into question. Shoutout to that pterosaur egg from the site being encased in resin so it's date can't be determined 😄

[idle talon]

I think it ended up being like a geostenbergia or something like that. part of a wing or something according to him

[bright veldt]

Pteranodon is insanely common so I wouldn't be surprised

[white matrix]

Beishanlong and goodnight

[sullen cairn]

one of the many reasons i'm happy geosternbergia is invalid is because geosternbergi sternbergi is a stupid name

[bright veldt]

I mean it's not invalid per say. It's just under a different name.

[idle talon]

mostly he said he found sea things like ammonites and trilobites

[compact leaf]

wait is it invalid again?

[bright veldt]

Geosternbergia's a species of pteranodon. P. sternbergi.

[idle talon]

he also has a piece of a hadrosaur tail that was considered unimportant enough that they let him keep it

[compact leaf]

ok so it’s back to being pteranodon, I thought that was the case and then I heard it got re-split

[sullen cairn]

mmm geosternbergia

[bright veldt]

If you split Pteranodon and Geosternbergia then it makes things unneccesarily complicated, since literally the only difference is in the head which most specimens don't have. Despite the name being common in popular culture, paleontologists that actually study pterosaurs have disowned the genus ages ago.

[idle talon]

I understand why though cause it just looks like an odd shaped rock

[compact leaf]

I never really used geosternbergia myself, just adds complexity that I can’t be bothered with

[bright veldt]

Dawndraco does have legitimiacy as its own genus tmk so there's the pteranodon echo fighter people can use.

[idle talon]

would there have been any large tyrannosaurs like tyrannosaurus in appalachia because the only tyrannosaur from the late creataceous I've heard about there is dryptosaurus

[bright veldt]

Appalachia is known from basically no remains cause of the ice age glaciers tearing through the rock beds

[idle talon]

good point

[sullen cairn]

there's an 8.5m tyrannosauroid in new jersey

scaled from phalanges but still

[bright veldt]

Notable taxa we know from the Cretaceous Appalachia are Dryptosaurus, it's close relative Appalachiosaurus, Hadrosaurus, Deinosuchus, and we apparently have fragmentary oviraptorosaur and ornithomimosaur remains that're huge

or at least hints that they exist

[sullen cairn]

there's also teihivenator (ew) and cryptotyrannus (not formally named that) but neither of the two are especially large afaik

[scenic flame]

Such a shame,one thing I always found odd is that Tyrannosaurus is from the west, hell creek and ojo alamo are comparatively quite small space wise compared to appalacia

[woeful falcon]

Cryptotyrannus!

[scenic flame]

Makes me wonder if there was a giant dryptosaurid from there

[woeful falcon]

From where

[scenic flame]

Appalcia

[sullen cairn]

may i present to you phalange scaling

[woeful falcon]

Aren't dryptosaurids only known from appalachia

[scenic flame]

Afaik yeah

[sullen cairn]

then why'd you ask

[woeful falcon]

Oh lmao. I missed "giant"

I thought you were wondering about dryptosaurids in general being from appalachia

[sullen cairn]

i too wonder if there were dryptosaurids in appalachia

[woeful falcon]

The world may never know

[sullen cairn]

so sad, such a mystery

[surreal stone]

i have returned once more

[scenic flame]

just looking at any depiction of 66mya n ameroca shows how much more space appalachia has, laramidia is alot more mountainous

[bright veldt]

Eh the WIS is too big there. It shrunk come the Maastrichtian

[surreal stone]

i might go back to editing my yt vid now lol

[sullen cairn]

the guys (i do not trust the cryptotyrannus skeletal)

[woeful falcon]

For some reason I thought crypto would be bigger

What's the big one

[sullen cairn]

the phalanges

MAPS A1210a (and b)

[woeful falcon]

Frick glaciers

[storm heron]

Megalosaurus was also found in Ireland?

[idle talon]

they found one there

[storm heron]

Ah, I wasn't aware,

For clarification, it was definitively a Megalosaurus bucklandii or Megalosaurus sp?

[snow python]

Were Eocarcharia and Sauroniops contemporaneous?

[chilly knot]

no

[west coral]

To be fair you could reference off of a relative of said 3 bones and try guess what it looks like

[stiff osprey]

What I don't like is when they give it a cool ass name

Bro that's not the IMPERIAL TERROR that's 3 bones

[viscid surge]

Scientists wasting the coolest names on the dumbest things:

[tiny holly]

I mean as a frame of reference T. rex's arms are about as big as your arms. You're just a lot more proportional (I assume)

[white matrix]

and you’d probably loose your arm if you tried to arm wrestle a rex

[steep needle]

i think you’d lose a lot more than just your arm if you managed to see a rex irl

[nocturne gazelle]

How accurate is in game stegos posture? A lot of art/depictions I see of stego has it's back pretty high compared to its head, but in game it sems almost even/head is only slightly lower than the ridge of its back.

[steep needle]

the game’s stego is based on Sophie(i think?) so it’s based on an immature specimen

[elfin pulsar]

In game is based on a young stego iirc so it’s pretty goofed overall

[nocturne gazelle]

oh okay

[steep needle]

afaik it’s still okay for the specimen it’s based on tho

I’m not a stegosaur specialist though so I’m not entirely sure about other issues it (probably) has

[bright veldt]

It’s very thin for one

[steep needle]

~~ i genuinely haven’t looked at the model in months either so that’s probably part of it too~~

[hallow spear]

if i recall correctly POTs stego isnt very accurate

[alpine island]

It certainly is a stegosaur, just not a very good one

[nocturne gazelle]

rip

[chilly knot]

Lol it's based on Sophie

[hallow spear]

Send pic babe

[white matrix]

Is he your bf or something

[hallow spear]

Yes

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-explaining-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-the-rock-gif-23077893

[hallow spear]

Oh yea that’s based on Scott’s Sophie

[sullen cairn]

thing https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195667123003087

[woeful falcon]

Tyrannosaurini and Teratophoneini

[stoic swallow]

I can't download it on Nintendo Switch, why?

[elfin pulsar]

I also can’t download paleo chat on Nintendo switch

[bright veldt]

Basically tyrannosaurinae is split into 4 tribes: alioramini (Alioramus, Qianzhousaurus), Teratophoneini (Teratophoneus, Lythronax, Dynamoterror), Daspletosaurini (Daspletosaurus, Thanatotheristes), and Tyrannosaurini (Tyrannosaurus, Tarbosaurus, Zhuchengtyrannus)

The only outlier is Nanuqsaurus, which is closest to Daspletosaurini although not one itself.

The phylogeny also shows Alioramus altai is closer to Qianzhou than A. remotus, which is gunna shake things up for it probz.

Idk whether that means Qianzhou should be lumped into Alio, the other way around for A. altai, or a third option.

[sullen cairn]

it means altai needs to become its own genus

[woeful falcon]

Paralioramus

[proper hornet]

What's the biggest size Postosuchus could get?

From what I'm seeing it's 6M-7M

[bright veldt]

4 meters

6-7 meters is like Sauro, Presto, and Fasola territory

[proper hornet]

Dang

[proper hornet]

That seems like P. Alisonae something subspecie tho

There's Kirkpatricki too

[bright veldt]

The 6 meter posto estimates are outdated overestimations

[proper hornet]

4M seems very small

Oh then I'm screwed 💀

[proper hornet]

I was just about to submit a Posto mod suggestion that was 7M -> 8.75M

If its 4 meters 8.75M is way too much

[bright veldt]

No rauisuchid-style animal got over 7m

Presto and Fasola are the largest and they’re about 7 meters in length