paleontology

[steady rock]

@tough parcel is this size chart accurate?

[tough parcel]

Idk lmao, if they followed the meter bars, then sure

[steady rock]

so dace is massive?

[tough parcel]

It’s big

[west coral]

sure did

[tough parcel]

But considering there’s literally no other skeletal with a meter bar, there’s nothing to compare it to

[steady rock]

compare stego and dace

[tough parcel]

If you feel like checking the measurements of each described bone though, go wild

That’s the only way you can confirm it’s good

[west coral]

Which species

[steady rock]

big stego

ig pugmaster got killed by big stego

[west coral]

around the same size but stego is way heavier

[steady rock]

oh. you know in the size chart, dace looked alot bigger

[west coral]

Dacent is fair sized, it’s probably because of the posture

[steady rock]

pug, can you compare something for me

[west coral]

Sure

[steady rock]

can you tell me if there was any other herbis in the early jurassic besides prosauropods and basal armored dinosaurs ( stegos and anky ancestor )

[west coral]

There’s heterodontosaurs such as Abrictosaurus, Pegomastax and Heterodontosaurus

[steady rock]

is that all

oh and lystosaurus ig

[west coral]

Yeah, just sauropodomorphs, basal thyreophorans and basal ornithischians

[steady rock]

any triassic reptiles?

all i know is lytrosaurus and thats all

[west coral]

Lystrosaurus didn’t make it to the jurassic

[steady rock]

it didnt?

[west coral]

There’s a whole world of weird Triassic reptiles

[steady rock]

that survived to the jurassic?

[west coral]

Only a few groups did, most died off

[steady rock]

i wanna make a roster and i want a theme for it, i cant do early cretascous china, someone already did that

[west coral]

Try Southern Africa

[steady rock]

whats that

does nigeria count?

[west coral]

That would be Northern Africa

[steady rock]

UGH

[west coral]

You could do that aswell

With Southern Africa, you could do things like Majungasaurus, Kentrosaurus, Giraffatitan, etc.

[steady rock]

i thought tanzania was in north africa

[west coral]

Tanzania is in the south

[steady rock]

damn, i dont know geometry

[nocturne gazelle]

Is there any evidence of tool usage in any dinosaurs? Or is that something that can't ever really be known?

[jagged trellis]

crows

[nocturne gazelle]

Prehistoric dinosaurs

[jagged trellis]

anyways p sure there is a suggestion of juvenile tyrannosaurids right(?) playing with bones beyond randomness but i'm not versed on this one and for full on handle use: we don't have any, granted would be fairly hard for that to show that far in time but yeah

[stray wren]

I mean, considering birds use tools I wouldn't discount some Dromaeosaurs being able to use them as well

[regal schooner]

It didn't, but it did make it to the triassic which is impressive

[light osprey]

You seem to have forgotten Dinosaurs are big, slow, and dumb, thus incapable of such action

[ruby patio]

There was a very interesting speculative evulation theory on how Dromaeosaurs would have developed cognitive abilities if the asteroid hadn't struck

[tacit pine]

Any ocean animal charts like this that are accurate?

[fossil ingot]

Just for fun since I am bored

[west coral]

Everything except the giant livy

[tacit pine]

Are they avarage sizes or max?

[west coral]

Most of them are the largest specimens

[chilly knot]

The masses are a bit dated

[serene moat]

Any updates to do with shant?

[pearl briar]

that's literally where it based on

[silver prism]

Quick question, how accurate is Jw's Rex?

[pearl briar]

no

[white matrix]

Not very. Lacks the chonk, got pronated wrists and lacks lips and godzilla sounds

[silver prism]

Gotcha, thanks!

[light osprey]

Some of these sizes are outrageous

[stiff osprey]

livyatan being nearly 10 tons larger than megalodon is insane

[short sigil]

Why is that livyatan so big

[light osprey]

We out here rescaling 🗣️ (it’s completely wrong)

[tacit pine]

Thats what im asking

[flat pond]

Prehistoric Kingdom’s Carcharodontosaurus be looking good.

[steady rock]

pick one
a strictly african roster or a strictly before the jurassic roster

[light oxide]

Hmm . . .

[light osprey]

Neither

Strictly Weddellian roster 😎

[gaunt raven]

African

[white matrix]

Can’t forget about this homie

[light osprey]

Damn PK has been cooking since last time I was on

[west coral]

How many sauropods, both formal and informal, have “poseidon” in their genus name?

[sullen cairn]

idk maybe like a half dozen but half of em are nomen nuda

[compact leaf]

yeah it’s something like that, sauroposeidon started a trend of naming a bunch of fragmentary ones in the same vein, half of them are informal names though

[west coral]

it doesn’t matter, informal is fine too

Also, is francoposeidon a turiasaur or brachiosaur?

[light osprey]

Austroposeidon 🔛 🔝

[compact leaf]

last I heard francoposeidon is a turiasaur

[sullen cairn]

everyone but larramendi thinks turiasaur afaik

[compact leaf]

didn’t larramendi say somphospondyl? I remember that he had thoughts on it but not specifics

[light osprey]

Average Larramendi moment

[sullen cairn]

you guys should like be in sauropodomorpha or something

[compact leaf]

I would like to be but it’s private

[sullen cairn]

it is extremely dead but you can check logs for stuff

[light osprey]

My silly ass haven’t even gotten into Theropoda and Ornithischia

[sullen cairn]

you could try bugging random for an invite (i hope random doesn't kill me for saying that)

[compact leaf]

I’ll have to do that in a way that doesn’t get me banished to sauropod tooth hell by random

[sullen cairn]

they're public

its either that or get on one of the waves of people asking for invites in theropoda that happen every once in a while

[light osprey]

Here’s the thing, I’m discord illiterate and have no idea how to find it

[sullen cairn]

google theropoda discord server invite

[compact leaf]

that’s how I found it

[light osprey]

[sweet wasp]

:/ dude it is

Not leviathan tho

[stiff osprey]

i'm just gonna

[white matrix]

Why wont we all just gonna

[west coral]

Why did turiasaurs get so big that they rival some titanosaurs in size

francoposeidon and angloposeidon btw

[stiff osprey]

it was funny

[west coral]

funny random basal sauropod becomes absolutely massive

[stiff osprey]

that is what mamenchisaurs did after all

in fact, turiasaurs probably did it to be the anti mamenchisaurs

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure they are the anti mamenchisaurs, due to being found almost everywhere there isn’t one

Aka not being found in asia

[light osprey]

Something feels off here

[west coral]

The transition time between Amanzia and Francoposeidon is around 11mya, which has to be up there for one of the fastest cases of gigantism in dinosaurs

See a need, fill a need I guess

[compact leaf]

turiasaurs are really weird, they show up fast and last a really long time with huge gaps between instances in places

[light osprey]

Turiasaurs in late Cretaceous Africa

[west coral]

Either that or somewhere in europe, the two taxa in the us just kind of faded away

[light osprey]

Least confusing NA faunal exchange moment

[west coral]

NA faunal exchanges are really really weird

[compact leaf]

there’s a Jurassic one in Madagascar and then suddenly there’s just one in cabao chilling

[west coral]

There is the one in tanzania, but that isn’t much of a link between Madagascar and Libya

Is the madagascan one named or just indet like cabao

[light osprey]

Speaking of ghostly little dinosaurs, anyone got stuff on latest Cretaceous Oceania?

[compact leaf]

I think it’s indet but I’d have to look

[west coral]

A shitload of indets

[light osprey]

😢

Mkay, if you had to guess what clades are over there

[west coral]

an ankylosaur, ornithopod, titanosaur, and a fella called mangahouanga

[compact leaf]

titanosaurs made it so they’re a safe bet for anywhere in southern oceania, further north it’s a bit of a toss up because there’s some weirdness earlier on

[light osprey]

I wonder if Hadrosauroids were there by the Maastrichtian

[compact leaf]

they’d made it to japan so it’s possible

[light osprey]

🤔

[stiff osprey]

every microraptorian that is named and isn't probably a convergently evolved dromaeosaurid

from left to right: Zhongjianosaurus yangi, Hesperonychus elizabethae, Sinornithosaurus millenii, Wulong bohaiensis, Graciliraptor lujiatunensis, Microraptor ''hanqingi'', Microraptor ''gui'', and Changyuraptor yangi

[sullen cairn]

… I mean there’s always the chance it could be a giant microraptorine…

[west coral]

mangahouanga is a 3.5m megaraptoran, if you want to look in to the fella

[light oxide]

[light osprey]

interesting

[pearl briar]

i just hope that she had lips
istg if she's lipless i will

[west coral]

Pretty small lad

[light osprey]

I like em

How old is it?

[west coral]

Maastrichtian

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/look-smile-smirk-breezy-moves-ornery-gif-3520545

[west coral]

Haumurian if you want specifics

[pearl briar]

is she's the only described Maastrichtian megaraptor or there's more?

[light osprey]

Maip macrothorax and kind of Orkoraptor burkei

[pearl briar]

wow never thought Maip is maastrichtian i thought she's campanian or smth

[light osprey]

They like southern Weddellia, so naturally have a mid fossil record

[west coral]

what island isolation does to a mf

[light osprey]

Is it… Insular?

[west coral]

maybe it’s dwarfism, maybe it’s due to a larger theropod

[tough parcel]

AFAIK, there is no recorded instance of the presence of a larger theropod forcing a smaller one to become even smaller (has that even happened period?)

[west coral]

Possibly?

[tough parcel]

Well, the idea that it’s never been recorded throughout the entirety of modern history and prehistory kinda makes the idea shaky

[west coral]

I was gonna finish this off by saying it’ll be hard to find out since most of zealandia is under water

[light osprey]

Tbf, what other Theropod clades exist in Zealandia that we know of

[west coral]

Abelisauroidea iirc

[light osprey]

Noasaurids all I’ve heard, wouldn’t expect them to be pressuring Megaraptorans lol

[west coral]

Maybe he’s just a lil fella

[sullen cairn]

it's so sad to see this once-mighty canid forced to become small and powerless by the strong and mighty various <20kg predators of the sahara

[west coral]

Also, I found a pretty small titanosaur which lived with the fella, which proves my wild pressure shrinkage theory wrong

it’s just insular

[ocean brook]

Was there any hadrosaurs that were semi-aquatic? or like lived in a wetland/swampy environment?

[west coral]

and then i somehow contradict myself a third time, and find a huge megaraptoran

[light osprey]

Zealandia is cooking

[scenic flame]

perhaps the smaller one exists due to a lack of other predators that size on the island

[light osprey]

Silly Weddellian ecosystem, just as fun as the Pleistocene ones ☺️

[keen trail]

@white matrix can saber tooh penetrate bone

[sullen cairn]

oh no

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/thevldlsquad-unimpressedadventurer-ooohnotthisguy-unimpressed-annoyed-gif-20229236

[keen trail]

im being dead serious i promise

[keen trail]

also hi table

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/passando-mesmo-oh-brother-disappointment-gif-14584729

[compact leaf]

careful chonk off topic gifs will get you smote

[light osprey]

I am a naughty fella what can I say

[keen trail]

no one is going to help ?

[west coral]

also 20cm baby abelisauroid that wasn’t worth scaling but I did anyway

[keen trail]

@tough parcel @white matrix

[sullen cairn]

howdy

[light osprey]

Who said it’s a baby? 😈

[keen trail]

hey table can you answer my question

[west coral]

if not that little sucker would be a contender for smallest dinosaur

But thankfully hopefully it is a baby

[sullen cairn]

how big are the bones

[keen trail]

@sullen cairn i moved away from chatgpt

[frosty anvil]

Likely not the intention when hunting. These are not jaguars.

[light osprey]

He is the one true insular dwarf

[sullen cairn]

nice to hear

[frosty anvil]

I can see a sabertooth penetrating bird bones but mammal bones?? Thats another story
It could happen but i see it being unlikely and not the main goal

[white matrix]

eh thats an outdated myth it could penetrate bone just can't handle side to side movements.

similar to a katana

[frosty anvil]

But i am uneducated on sabertooths as a whole really so someone may have a better answer than me

[sullen cairn]

i think i bit through a bone in a chicken wing before by accident

[light osprey]

What about that Smilodon pathology

[white matrix]

thats an example of it going through bone.

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/we-just-dont-know-yet-howards-wenke-being-the-ricardos-were-not-sure-yet-its-still-undetermined-gif-24211984

[keen trail]

my friend TK how long many years have we known each other

[white matrix]

Zero i dont know you

[sullen cairn]

paleo chat lore

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-lore-gif-24356620

On topic mods, don’t smite me

[keen trail]

im jealous why are u so good at smilodonts, dont deserve it smh

[frosty anvil]

Exactly what i was thinking but i cant really visualize a smilodon piercing something like, idk, the bones in an elk's rump
It could happen but not commonly

[white matrix]

what. im not that knowledgeable still have a lot to learn.

[light osprey]

We all have much to learn in some way. It’s the journey that counts or something

[keen trail]

i dont understand why u are smart in that topic

[white matrix]

uhh this is getting sus but reading papers I guess???

[sullen cairn]

wrong
divine guidance is the correct answer

[light osprey]

Now

[keen trail]

table shut yo a$$ up

[white matrix]

💀

[sullen cairn]

you can't deny gut instinct

[light osprey]

Would you’d say that it had came to you in a dream?

[keen trail]

stop being cringe

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-dead-inside-gif-25853869

excuse me what

[west coral]

@deft sigil

I think he’s the guy to ping, no?

[light osprey]

Tell me it was screenshotted

[sullen cairn]

paleo chat once again being one of the channels of all time

[white matrix]

i was to surprised to screenshot it

sergi screenshotted it lets goo

[light osprey]

In recorded history, this is how the conversation went

[junior dawn]

lmao

[white matrix]

sergi this is why you are based

[compact leaf]

can someone dm me what actually happened lol

[sullen cairn]

can i have it too plz sergi

[junior dawn]

the pic?

[sullen cairn]

yes
it's funny

[meager sedge]

Thankyou for reporting this.

[sullen cairn]

another day in the life of paleochat

[light osprey]

Let me gif it was a funny 😤

[boreal ore]

What was?

[meager sedge]

I am removing off-topic chat, but I appreciate the ping!

[junior dawn]

dinosaurs, am i right

[sullen cairn]

very dinosaur

[light osprey]

I hate them. Holocene is where it’s at

[west coral]

20cm baby abelisauroid from New Zealand

[light osprey]

Megafauna < plummeting biodiversity am I right?

[white matrix]

Anyways dinosaurs, mods here

[meager sedge]

Please move on from this topic and keep the chat related to paleo. Thankyou!

[white matrix]

Sup Magpie

[west coral]

giant turiasaurs, let’s talk about them

[white matrix]

Agreed where should we start

[tough parcel]

I’ve brought it up in multiple different chats, but I’m here to spread the good word of this rex

[white matrix]

Is this Dino Dan Rex

[light osprey]

Not bubble wrapped enough I’m afraid

[tough parcel]

No, Nat Geo’s Ultimate Survivors rex

[pearl briar]

does he had lips?

[sullen cairn]

i thought i was the ultimate survivors rex 😦

[tough parcel]

Erm, there can be two ☝️🤓

[sullen cairn]

wrong

[tough parcel]

No, but the rest is dope + this was before lips were as “omg add now” as they are now

[sullen cairn]

anyways new megaraptoran paper with some rather silly and wacky resolutions
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195667123002975

[light osprey]

Oh no

[white matrix]

Nuh uh

[tough parcel]

“A new megaraptorid!!!”

Single bone

[west coral]

yippie random australian megaraptoran known from very fragmentary remains #23

[sullen cairn]

yeah but is not an isolated phalange

[tough parcel]

Call me when you have a 99% complete skeleton

[flat pond]

Wasn’t it by the same guy who did The Isle’s first rex model?

[tough parcel]

Yarp

[flat pond]

Man I remember those days

[light osprey]

Sigh of relief it’s still sister to Tyrannosauroidae

[white matrix]

plot twist

[light osprey]

What a lil cutie

[white matrix]

It’s sister to mosasauridae

What have we gotten this week, new megaraptoran, new mosasaur, new sauropod

[pearl briar]

i'm waiting a new ornistricthian dinos

[light osprey]

Gonkoken dropped relatively recently. There’s also some La Colonia (?) Ankylosaurian

[pearl briar]

what kind of ornistricthian Gonkoken is?

[light osprey]

The Hadrosauroid kind

[pearl briar]

duck billed dinos?

[tough parcel]

The mighty corgi

[light osprey]

Ye, but a little more ancient looking

[pearl briar]

not mentioned to be rude but can you elaborate?

[west coral]

why

[tough parcel]

Nature is truly surprising!

[light osprey]

It has more basal/primitive anatomy compared to true Hadrosaurids

[pearl briar]

like?

[light osprey]

Anatomy or what a true Hadrosaur looks like

[stiff osprey]

yes

[stiff osprey]

it's a cat

[tough parcel]

If random says it can, it can

That is how it works, they will it into existence

[stiff osprey]

it's phylogenetic bracketing

skill issue

[sullen cairn]

Lmao

[scenic flame]

it's also not nearly different enough in body proportions to really put that into question imo

[sage cave]

This person just joined the server they trollin

[compact leaf]

this actually made me wheeze somehow

[sage cave]

[west coral]

Where’s the real pronto

[stiff osprey]

aaand they're gone

[white matrix]

who pinged me

[west coral]

Did they say something, or did they just get booted for identity theft?

[white matrix]

@hardy geyser

This one is the fake ^

[light osprey]

A doppelgänger it seems

[white matrix]

impersonation*

[light osprey]

Nailed it tbh

Felt like I was watching myself

[pearl briar]

what's the difference between both?

🚢

[west coral]

Mainly skull shape not coinciding with any of the more derived hadrosaurs (edmonto as example) and smaller size

[light osprey]

Most obvious to me would be the hyper convex profile of Hadrosauroid nasal bone in comparison to most Hadrosaurids with a more geometric shape

They are also Comparitively diminutive like Pug said

[west coral]

x-rex might not be the best example but it sets the point

[light osprey]

It’s pretty neat that they prevail concurrently with their Hadrosaurid brethren in South America though

[west coral]

Austrokritosaurians are pretty interesting fellas

[past comet]

People calling eurhis dolphins is killing me

[steady rock]

@sullen cairn

if you cant do it, i can get that british pug to do it

@west coral hi

[crude latch]

I call em Toothpicks

Anyways, I recently learned abt this goober and I heard there’s been some debate on it having Powered flight, I am talking abt Rahonavis btw

So like, do we know now if it did Infact fly?

After digging a bit deeper I learned that some researchers think it’s forelimb bones are a chimera, and are mixed with primitive bird bones

[past comet]

Better than dolphins tho

[crude latch]

I heard that someone calls em saw sharks

[steady rock]

tbh i tried , thoughts?

[sullen cairn]

liam's carch is bigger btw

[crude latch]

Table would you perhaps know anything on Rahonavis?

[sullen cairn]

i shall check

[steady rock]

so i did my scaling wrong? 😦

[crude latch]

Alr, I can’t seem to find many good sources altho Wiki seems to have “ Some” info on it

[sullen cairn]

looks like it could fly

[sullen cairn]

well one of the skeletals didn't even have a scale bar so that's always gonna scew things

and/or that skeletal was just oversized

[steady rock]

oh

[crude latch]

Sweet, I’ve seen a lot of debate that it couldn’t

[steady rock]

you think the prosauropod could stand on its hind legs and wrestle carch down?

[sullen cairn]

it's like half the weight so prolly not

[steady rock]

i thought it was 12 tons

[sullen cairn]

that's with limb circumference allometry which is bad
especially in quadrapeds

ledu's something under 4t iirc

[steady rock]

.

table evertday you sadden me with new infomation

[sullen cairn]

allometry moment

[boreal ore]

Table drawing that sock in your profile has crossed my mind many times can I draw it?

[sullen cairn]

It’s not my drawing so feel free

[nocturne gazelle]

I found an article that was ranking dinosaurs by most intelligent to least intelligent...

Barney was number 10.

[crude latch]

Les goo

[pearl briar]

does it says that rex was number 1?

[nocturne gazelle]

Nah... troodon...

[remote prism]

Not surprised there myself.

[nocturne gazelle]

It doesn't exist anymore

[umbral kestrel]

What are some good community servers to play on?

[remote prism]

Normally I would say auranea servers, but some have broke a little

[umbral kestrel]

I just feel like a lot of the popular community servers have like 50 super specific and in-detail rules like oh my god who could ever keep up with all that

[unborn bane]

@umbral kestrel @remote prism Hello! This is paleo-chat, I would recommend to move this conversation to #path-of-titans since it's offtopic here

[umbral kestrel]

Gotcha!

[remote prism]

K

[pearl briar]

is stenonychosaurus even that smart?

[nocturne gazelle]

Theoretically yes. Large brain to body ratio or something like that. Generally troodontids are considered smarter bunches.

[nocturne gazelle]

It's sort of a paleomeme at this point but there was a Theoretical Evolution study done that hypothesized a troodontid could eventually become humanoid given enough time to evolve.

Whether or not that study is accurate or not isn't my point, rather it shows how well we regard intelligence of troodontids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid

[nocturne gazelle]

This tidbit sums it up well I think.

[light osprey]

Mm yes, because we have enough information to make that assumption

[scenic flame]

I mean this is a pretty fair statement

[nocturne gazelle]

To put this into reference emus uh... aren't known for being the brightest of birds

So I think the assessment isn't too over the top.

[compact leaf]

estimating intelligence is also very subjective and very very tricky, even in modern animals

[nocturne gazelle]

Indeed

[weary mango]

+1 to the collection, my first Dino tooth, I also got a small mosasaur tooth

[glad carbon]

Not that hard fr, you don’t have to read everything most of them are common sense. I only read the rules pertaining my species and if I feel like calling rb’s all the time I’ll read the other ones.

[flat pond]

Even though people are not a fan of it being partially lipped, I still think this is definitely one of the best or strongest designs for Tyrannosaurus.

[lavish frigate]

I’m counting it among the greats for one reason….

Tyrannosaurus bataar for life.

[flat pond]

Which is technically Tarbosaurus but is still a good design for it.

[lavish frigate]

No 🫵 I deny your Tarbosaurus and embrace my Tyrannosaurus bataar (mostly because it’s just a cool name and I want Tyrannosaurus to have more that one species but that don’t matter 🫵)

[flat pond]

You can’t deny the major differences between them. It’s just the way of nature.

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[flat pond]

A being Tarbosaurus and B being Tyrannosaurus

Not to mention that Tarbosaurus was adapted to hunt sauropods and hadrosaurs while Tyrannosaurus was more built for hunting prey that was quite armored, though it did hunt Edmontosaurus.

[lavish frigate]

Oh I’m not making any actual substantial claim (although recently someone did say Tyrannosaurus bataar was valid. But they also said raptorex was so….) I’m just sayin i like it more 👍 although In my eyes it’s kinda just the difference between coyotes and wolves where one is just larger with slightly different proportions.

[flat pond]

True, not to mention different environments.

[tall tide]

How do you know what day it is for dinovember?!

[alpine island]

Tyrannosaurus mcraensis (real)

[tall tide]

I got spino tooth

[weary mango]

Lucky you ^^

[flat pond]

I have a tyrannosaur tooth from the Judith River Formation. I had it made into a necklace that I wear everyday.

[lavish frigate]

Imma be honest. I don’t trust Tyrannosaurus mcraensis

[alpine island]

I don’t either but for the sake of the agenda

[white matrix]

That top view of tarbos skull is outdated iirc

[flat pond]

It is?

[tall tide]

.

[weary mango]

You are lucky, I don’t have access to a lot of fossils or fossils hunting spots

[white matrix]

Yep

[tall tide]

I bought mine lol

I wish there were fossil huntibg places where im from

[flat pond]

Dinovember is either October or December. I barely can keep up which month it’s on.

[tall tide]

Oh

[flat pond]

I also bought mine. There’s only one Mesozoic formation where I live and it’s at the southern border of my state

[weary mango]

I found 1 fossil leaf and maid plaster replicas of Raptor and Allossaur claw, the rest I bought

[tall tide]

Epic!

[flat pond]

But I am not far from the Gray Fossil Site in Tennessee.

[tall tide]

My friend found a snail fossil and gave it to me

Mb

[weary mango]

In the south of France (where I travel to) you can find occasionally in the river beds or near cliffs fossils and really rarely you can find Neolithic tools like hand axes

[flat pond]

I’ve found fossils of shell material at the east coast where I live.

[flat pond]

Oooo that sounds super cool.

[green niche]

Oh ups, wrong chat

[light osprey]

It represents an immature specimen, there should be a better one for PIN-551-1 somewhere

[flat pond]

Ah, interesting

[white matrix]

Probably a tarbo GDI might show it

[light osprey]

I found it (didn’t find the GDI though lol)

[tall tide]

What kind of rex is that?

[light osprey]

A uh, Tyrannosaurus rex (?)

[tall tide]

Oh ok

[lavish frigate]

We can have three species after all Tyrannosaurus mcraensis Tyrannosaurus rex and Tyrannosaurus bataar

[white matrix]

I don’t think mcraensis is even described (?) and also t. baatar is tarbosaurus which isn’t a species of rex

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[light osprey]

Classic karson 😊

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-antony-starr-homelander-the-homelander-the-boys-gif-17834482

[lavish frigate]

Ok but tbh i don’t see people putting coyotes in a different genus than wolves and the difference is a little striking

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[white matrix]

I don’t know much bout canids so someone else might have to comment bout that 🤷‍♂️

[light osprey]

They belong in the same genus 🙏

Tarbosaurus is a maybe, verging on probably distinct (imo)

[white matrix]

Common Chonk W

[lavish frigate]

I don’t think that tarbo will widely be put into Tyrannosaurus again but i don’t see the problem with Tyrannosaurus bataar. It could easily just be a smaller species with slightly different proportions

[white matrix]

Not to mention comparing dogs to wolves

[lavish frigate]

Pugs

[light osprey]

Genetics moment

[lavish frigate]

What made humans make pugs….poor souls….

[light osprey]

Morphology be damned Fr

[light osprey]

#pot-memes

[serene moat]

That tarbo and rex?

[white matrix]

#pot-memes

[unborn bane]

Please keep all discussions on topic. This channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology.

[lavish frigate]

Can someone find a comparison of wolves and dog skulls? I keep getting thylacine for some reason lol

[lavish frigate]

Ah there we go

I can see this in the tarbo Tyrannosaurus comparison

[trim island]

@light osprey @sullen cairn do we have evidence of homotherini pathology?

[white matrix]

@white matrix is that you above? ^

[white matrix]

no.

[white matrix]

Thats a second persons identity taken today. Scared its a raid

[trim island]

im not going to raid i asked a simple question

[white matrix]

its the same troll from the past week or so.

[light osprey]

Damn I thought it was u😭

[white matrix]

Definitely- account made and joined today

[light osprey]

I was about to answer the question and everything

[trim island]

i mean why wont you help

[white matrix]

if you want go ahead idm

[light osprey]

It’s a matter of principle 😤 something something don’t feed the troll

[trim island]

so you wont help?

[trim island]

bro whats your problem

[white matrix]

Block any trolls

[trim island]

<@&538079608914968587> do you know any evidence in homotherini pathology

[white matrix]

blud pinged every mod.

[candid ledge]

Please do not tag the whole moderator team unless it's an emergency

[white matrix]

My beloved Potoroo will take care of it

[trim island]

oh ok but do you know?

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo is the one Above and Rex is the One Below
Easy to recognize, atleast here

[white matrix]

Dont give in guys

you can use google scholar

[fossil ingot]

No I don't, sorry buddy

[white matrix]

if there is no intent to troll I'm fine helping but if its to annoy/be rude thats a different scenario

[fossil ingot]

For Tarbo I only had this, so adding that comparison its quite nice

[white matrix]

@trim island https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1879981718300160

[ancient crystal]

I don't know, but it sounds painful

[white matrix]

its the joint where the protective cartilage between bones breaks down

thought you stopped using chatgpt, but yes

[pallid badger]

T. rex scavenge moment

[lapis karma]

You could always try looking into it yourself as well, never hurts

[white matrix]

did you ping me 3 times

[lapis karma]

Yes they did, I saw it.

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[lapis karma]

Has anyone else seen/been seeing Life on Our Planet from Netflix?

[white matrix]

yup finished it

[white matrix]

I feel that gif 😂

[lapis karma]

How'd you feel about the gorgonopsid part? I thought it was pretty nice and interesting, but I also haven't seen much on them.

[stiff osprey]

LOOP has the second best gorgonopsid of any documentary yet. Which isn't saying much because gorgonopsids appear in like 4 documentaries

[compact leaf]

they also have a diplodocus on par with wwd in terms of accuracy, which is painful

[ancient crystal]

And the allo

[weary mango]

Idk why but the T-Rex looked awkward

[white matrix]

What’s first

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur Revolution, unfortunately the inos in that doc only exists to get atomized by the siberian traps

[compact leaf]

say what you will about dinosaur revolution but in terms of design they have some real winners

oddly enough it and wwd are the only documentaries to have actually featured a brachiosaurid

[flat pond]

Interesting, especially since Brachiosaurus is a very popular sauropod

[stiff osprey]

honestly DR's only significant mistake was trying to become a documentary instead of the dinosaur action drama it was originally meant to be

[compact leaf]

yeah pretty much

[white matrix]

patiently waiting for agtate bloodlines

[west coral]

very patiently

[light osprey]

Is that the Miocene one?

[white matrix]

Miocene - Pleistocene

[light osprey]

Nice

[west coral]

big guy

[hallow spear]

which trike is this

@west coral

I must know! It doesnt look like any ive seen

[scenic flame]

Bro had a little taken off the top

Got the bart simpson haircut

[chilly knot]

lance safe

[west coral]

the other one is titanoceratops

[hallow spear]

oh that

Remember what lance said abotu the size. About how it may be too large

[torn sluice]

Is the campto larger irl than it is in game?

[scenic flame]

Not anymore

[light osprey]

Smaller Ornithopod was more fun though, wish they would’ve gone with Dryosaurus outright

[west coral]

Or for “uniqueness” one of the many dryo clones found all over the world

but yeah a small ornithopod would be great

[white matrix]

Looks like a corndog

[west coral]

Two new bangers in one day, Allosaurus by random and Titanoceratops by fadeno

[white matrix]

Very nice.

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[west coral]

oh god, not again

[clever sable]

Damn, how large is that titano

[west coral]

Massive

[clever sable]

Any specific mass?

[light osprey]

Long neck Allosaurus real 💯

[west coral]

I’ll tell you once it’s GDI-d

[light osprey]

Would you say Titanoceratops is Titanic?

[west coral]

possibly

[white matrix]

Is it just me or does randoms Allo give vibes of loops allo, (no offence random 😭 )

probably the long neck

[lavish frigate]

Anyone have a good Tyrannosaurus bataar Skeleton i Need one to prove a point. That point being…Tyrannosaurus bataar

[light osprey]

I decided to give you Hartmans because I’m bored

[white matrix]

You also gave Batavotyrannus’s

[light osprey]

Yeh couldn’t find Hartman’s Tarbosaurus in the 5 second timeframe

[lavish frigate]

Why the skull on that tarbo look a lil funky

Is that Just me or…..

[light osprey]

PIN 551-1 is just a lil cutie what can I say

[lavish frigate]

My guys face lookin a lil wonky

Wait what the heck….

[light osprey]

Nah, it’s bueno

[white matrix]

Bros determined to make T. baatar a species of Tyrannosaurus 💪

[lavish frigate]

Because it should be under federal law. Tarbosaurus is a logical fallacy 😤

[light osprey]

Why is that

[lavish frigate]

I say so

[light osprey]

Mm, I see it all now

[west coral]

speaking of North American fauna having a counterpart in asia…

[light osprey]

Nemegt Triceratopsini 💯

[west coral]

how the hell is angustirostris in saurolophus

[white matrix]

let chonk cook

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[lavish frigate]

It’s also because by the diversity seen in todays fauna there is literally no reason bataar isn’t Tyrannosaurus.

[light osprey]

Counterpoint; that’s a dog

But probably applies to some extent (as in, wide distribution, not dogs having topical relevance)

[white matrix]

bro what obsession do you have with me 😭

@deft sigil can we boot this guy

[lavish frigate]

I should’ve used the coyote one

[white matrix]

So overall your point is because certain taxa in the same family have similar morphological traits they're technically a species of the other (bigger) one?

Cause I am a bit confused

[lavish frigate]

No. My point is that Tarbosaurus is probably sufficiently similar to Tyrannosaurus to be in the same genus as shown by the difference in today’s animals

[white matrix]

👍

[west coral]

One small issue; they’re seperated by a whole continent

[lavish frigate]

(Faunal exchange enters building)

[light osprey]

And we have no clear indications of Tyrannosaurini migration through northern Laramidia during the period in which the Tyrannosaurus genus appears

[weary mango]

Isn’t a specie created when two species don’t mingle and if they do their offspring is suffers from different problems and is sterol?🤔

[light osprey]

No

[west coral]

That’s a genetic hybrid, ||also known as a mistake||

[light osprey]

It’s conventionally defined as a breeding population, but the whole thing is arbitrary anyways

[deft sigil]

Thank you for bringing this to our attention

[white matrix]

He's been harassing Pronto, Gualicho, Table, and Pug for the past couple of days. But thank you.

[bright veldt]

Eh there's a lot more differences then people tend to think, albeit what things are in different genera and what aren't is arbitrary and kind of just depends on what the workers think. Paleontologists tend to split species into different dinosaur genera more than other animal groups.

Although given current tyrannosaurini taxonomy that'd also mean lumping Zhucheng also. We also have that 4th species being described soon.

[light osprey]

Tyrannosaurus with a strikingly long temporal range lol

There’s also fragmentary Tyrannosaurid material in Djadochta, pretty unanimously everyone agrees it’s probably extremely close or represents the genus Tarbosaurus

[lavish frigate]

Could you explain why it would necessitate lumping in zhucheng?

[weary mango]

Yes but in general a species is formed when the two aspecies stop mating together. That’s the theory at least some biologist use. But again it would very based on how distant the two are from each other.

||I am not good at explaining this by writing. I need to do diagrams||

[bright veldt]

Because all current studies have it basically as related to rex and tarbo as they are to each other. So logically, why wouldn't it be lumped in at that point if tarbo and rex are?

Leaving it out would be arbitrary and have no serious reason if tarbo and rex are considered similar enough to be in 1 genus

[white matrix]

what server

[lavish frigate]

I mean if so I wouldn’t have a real problem with it (assuming that they aren’t actually sufficiently different)

[bright veldt]

Which means Tyrannosaurus as a genus would exist for, like, 10 million years

[light osprey]

PMC, I’ll send inv if you want (I think I can at least)

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure a new species is formed once a single member of the species starts doing something uniquely, like climbing trees, and if it’s successful they teach their offspring how, and over time the species gets more adapted to climbing trees, and bam, new tree climbing species

[white matrix]

sure i'd like to join

[west coral]

I’d like to join aswell

[lavish frigate]

How old is Tyrannosaurus without bataar and whatever the heck the other ones name is lol

[weary mango]

I might not be up to date but wasn’t Di Long considering as “the first T-Rex”? It might have changed since

[bright veldt]

Dilong is a tyrannosaur-relative but not even close to T. rex itself. There's plenty of articles that compare other dinosaur taxa to T. rex because they think the public is stupid lol.

[white matrix]

ignore random art post

[bright veldt]

Like 3 million years? Going to be around 6-7 if the new tyrannosaurini taxa in late Campanian USA is Tyrannosaurus (which it probably is)

[lavish frigate]

So I mean it’s not impossible

[light osprey]

It also means the Tyrannosaurus genus originated in NA, and doesn’t seem to migrate into the Northernmost reaches of its continent by the end of the Maastrichtian

So, it’s a funky timeframe trying to get these “species” to appear in there respective localities without it being nonsensical

[bright veldt]

Eh that could be just fossils we don't have. Tyrannosaurus as a genus likely diverged when it came into NA from Asia, which is nothing new. Tyrannosaurus would just be around for longer than we thought and completely trash the "invasive tyrannosaurus" hypothesis

[weary mango]

When I last looked at it, it was in the early 2000es

Thanks for the update ^^

[light osprey]

That also begs the question, where are the Asian morphotypes in latest campanian Alberta

[serene moat]

What's the largest size estimate for deinosuchus ? Weight and length and all is it 15 tons?

[bright veldt]

The absolute largest specimens are 14 meters and 15 tons. Although 12 meters and 9 tons is the much more conservative size based on decent material.

[weary mango]

If I remember, most Asian Tyrannids tended to have thinner snouts and had, on average, a lighter build

[serene moat]

12m and 9 tons is like average?

[flint stream]

Dinosaurus national formation

[bright veldt]

If you want average it'd be a bit more complicated, since D. hatcheri is much larger than D. schwimmeri.

[flint stream]

Giv point what enviorment back in dinosaur national formation. Im adding gorgo, para, cory, lambeo, anodonto, and styraco on one scenary

[serene moat]

Ohhh yeah I'm talking bout hatcheri one

[bright veldt]

lemme dig really quick

Based on some skull references Fadeno used, the average D. hatcheri is, like, 11 meters and 7.5 tons

[flint stream]

Is it like purrusaurus the largest crocodile and the largest aligatorid ever knowed by us ?

[bright veldt]

The largest crocodilian is deinosuchus. Purussaurus is 2nd.

Although for context, Deinosuchus is an alligatoroid and purussaurus is a caiman.

[flint stream]

Thats new, i thought purru is the largest of them

[bright veldt]

The largest purussaurus is 10 meters and 6 tons.

[flint stream]

Well, that short

[light osprey]

“Short”

[flint stream]

Cannibalistic on crocodlymorp are common rigth. If its common, deinosuchus would probably eating the same species of it (likely hatchlings)

[steady rock]

when you make a roster, what creature do you start with first? the small ones are large ones?

[flint stream]

#path-of-titans

[steady rock]

im making a plaeo accurate roster

[light osprey]

Small ones, cause I said so

[compact leaf]

best to build ecosystems from the ground up in my experience

[steady rock]

erm, should i make a utah dinosaur roster or a african one

[light osprey]

Pick and underrepresented formation with high diversity (almost impossible)

[flint stream]

North america roster have lot of niches and having same role for each dinosaurus

Big L to north american dinosaur roster

[steady rock]

well what about a location and time period?

[flint stream]

Yixian formation is good. Having different roster for each dinosaur

[steady rock]

SOMEONE ALREADY USED IT

[flint stream]

Yes

[light osprey]

North America late Aptian-early Albian

[steady rock]

theres literally no mid tiers besides utah maybe

[serene moat]

Auhj damn that's thick as, is there any new news about shant I heard there's a undescribed new species found that's alot bigger than the normal one we know atm

[light osprey]

Mid-tier is an illusion

[steady rock]

can i do early cretaceous europe instead

[light osprey]

Spinosaurs. Spinosaurs everywhere

[steady rock]

theres only 5

[compact leaf]

spinosaurs and the pile of undescribed brachiosaurids

[steady rock]

what was the largest european therapod?

[light osprey]

Me

But actually, probably Torvosaurus

[steady rock]

did any tyrannosaurids besides moros live in utah

like?

[light osprey]

Tyrannosauridae indet

[steady rock]

thats it?

[light osprey]

Idk

[bright veldt]

Moros aint a tyrannosaurid

Teratophoneus is from Utah though

[sullen cairn]

I’ve seen someone being up the idea they stayed along the coast and circled up back after reach the south

[light osprey]

Awfully convienent hypothesis

[ocean brook]

Nanxiong formation

[sullen cairn]

It doesn’t seem outright nonsensical and it still makes more sense than time travel

[bright veldt]

To its credit, Laurasia at the time was largely mountainous with sparse lowlands to the East

I can buy asian migrants struggling to get to the places fossils actually preserve. Following the coast and going around the mountains fits with this.

[light osprey]

Mm yes, diverse

Well, it’s actually not that bad, there’s definitely a good amount of described animals there

[sullen cairn]

I can see why one wouldn't want to cross through an entire mountain range

[light osprey]

Then again, why would they have gone to the pacific coast in the first place 🤷‍♂️

[sullen cairn]

as opposed to the atlantic coast

[clever sable]

The 14 meter 15 tonne specimen is based on scale bars so not exactly reliable, the slightly smaller guy that's like 13.5 meters and 13 tonne one is reliable though

[bright veldt]

Yeah thats why I don't really go for that

[chilly knot]

hopefully soon

the material is decent and its defo huge

[clever sable]

It is crazy to see how large deinosuchus could get, I still prefer purussaurus, astorgosuchus and sarcosuchus but deinosuchus is number 4 in terms of what my personal favorites are

[sullen cairn]

hm so gryposaurus seems to share the "being way smaller in canada" syndrome with parasaurolophus

[bright veldt]

and Parasaurolophus

[west coral]

A few hadrosaurs suffer from that

[sullen cairn]

canada: where hadrosaurus go to die (be murdered by daspletosaurus/albertosaurines)

unless you're brachylophosaurus or something

then you're doing some weird very tall billboard thing

or prosaurolophus

why are the big canadian hadrosaurs all absolute weirdos

[west coral]

even then prosaurolophus has a pretty big size range

But 8-10m is pretty big not including the stuff attributed to it

[sullen cairn]

i need to find a picture of that private specimen sometime

[light osprey]

Is Prosaurolophus an actual chungus

[sullen cairn]

that's a fatass tail

ignoring the general fatassery

[white matrix]

I like fatass tail 🥴

[sullen cairn]

blud really died sitting like that lmao

[west coral]

It looks kinda comfortable

[sullen cairn]

Why didn't prosaurolophus just stand up and walk away from its dying? Is it stupid?

[stiff osprey]

first evidence of hadrosaur fossil preserved while using its laptop

[sullen cairn]

real as hell

[magic jacinth]

the lophus is pogging

[west coral]

prosaurolophus gaming!!!!

[sullen cairn]

I am literally prosaurolophus fr

[white matrix]

The kid on the right is the best part

[light osprey]

He’s kinda cute

[west drum]

Is there a: most up to date Allosaurus skeletal anywhere?

[tough parcel]

Nope, there has been no Allosaurus skeletal made in years, none were made today

[west drum]

Alright, I assume this is the most up to date saurophaganax right?

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646182730572496945/1170107913239527444/Allosaurus.png?ex=6557d6ea&is=654561ea&hm=51ce0018c6bd174dab412af99a5d8d6164f1acd557246c7151f578a19f59b858&

[lavish frigate]

Oh hey saurophaganax aka allosaurus but…..ummm……yes 👍

[granite phoenix]

I thought sauro was a cousin of allo

[storm heron]

Oh look, Walmart Acrocanthosaurus

[pearl briar]

this is Maia and her daughter
she's a good mother
say hi to her

[keen cypress]

Hi anyone there

[still prairie]

Shigshou Formation?

[weary mango]

Azur Land character for scale XD

[west coral]

Elliot formation

[flat pond]

Some of the roster for Prehistoric Kingdom by pantydraco. Did it before some of the stuff was changed but still a good piece of art.

[keen forum]

can't believe random downsized poor allo XD

[tough parcel]

Truly the moment

[west coral]

I mean, there is 680 in the background

[crude latch]

Someone is saying that this the most “Accurate” Trex Depiction, but Im not to sure abt that…

[tough parcel]

First: there is no “most accurate” rex depiction because semantics

Second: It has mega facial scales so already getting hmmm

[crude latch]

Ye

Anything else to add on to that?

[clever sable]

As falcon said, there is no "most accurate" rex but mark Whitton has some very good rex depictions

[timber timber]

Isnt the saurian one considered the most accurate

[crude latch]

Interesting

[clever sable]

There is no "most accurate" as there are multiple different accurate depictions, we know what is inaccurate but when it comes to what is most accurate we can't say

[mossy anchor]

Are there any lists of every single known dinosaur? Im making a field guide for each dinosaur and i need muh resources

[stiff osprey]

Wikipedia has one that is about a year out of date, but it's the best available

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_genera

[vocal breach]

I’m pretty sure it has the same problem as the sue mount with the reversed gastralia making it too fat

[tough parcel]

No it doesn’t

[vocal breach]

It doesn’t?

[tough parcel]

The width and depth is fine

[vocal breach]

I heard that it was too fat somewhere tho, I just assumed it was because of the same reason

Fred said it a while back that Saurian’s Rex was too chunky

[tough parcel]

The model itself is fine, but the concept art is wonky

[vocal breach]

Hmm

Yeah I see it now

Rexes legs look kinda wonky in the concept art

[woeful falcon]

Glad that version didn't stick

[light osprey]

No rat tail?

[vocal breach]

this is much better

[light osprey]

Image quality go brr

[tough parcel]

What file is that

[hidden swallow]

Where can I put a ticket in to mention some of my dinos don't regain stamina like my meg my ichy for example some others as well

[kind orbit]

And as for resuscitation, they should add the opening to the sides of the lower jaw, which it is known that it did have, the information about this is in the link I left here https://www.agenciasinc.es/Noticias/El-dinosaurio-carnivoro-gigante-Spinosaurus-se-alimentaba-como-un-pelicano

[light osprey]

I know my goat though 😤

[unborn bane]

Hello! Please report bugs here: #1134360044209721405

[hidden swallow]

Thank you

[kind orbit]

It is an image of a hawthorn skull and what the covering of the meat and fat was like in life

[tough parcel]

Can you post it as an image 😭

[kind orbit]

i try

[light osprey]

It’s something from Christopher Lenin so you can check his Twitter for it

[white matrix]

lord amphimachairodus species could get big

[tough parcel]

Just post it here, it’s so much easier to reference 😭

[kind orbit]

Look, I don't know why but I can't upload the images as an image but I made plasticine figures and I just made a spino and made the crest based on the skeleton in which the first tall vertebrae were found in the tail of spinosaurus, I know what it is a little orthodox but it's what I have

[tough parcel]

Idk what that means, I need visuals :(

I’m stupid

[white matrix]

post it and i'll convert it

[kind orbit]

Thank you but as you can see I already uploaded the photo of my figure

And here a image with the lateral aperture of the jaws

[light osprey]

Sounds like you’re talking about the cranial kinesis

[kind orbit]

I'm a fan of dinosaurs but could you simplify it please (apart from the fact that I speak Spanish)

[kind orbit]

Yes it is cranial kinesis but it could only do it towards the innermost part of the jaw (like pelicans)

[kind orbit]

It is argued that Spinosaurus had/could perform cranial kinesis because Irritator challengeri could

[woeful falcon]

I would like to mention that the authors (or at least one of em) of the recent Irritator paper also tried to avoid comparison to pelicans

[light osprey]

If even the lateral splay was as extreme as the paper suggests

Pelecanus has a very elastic mandible and pliable symphyses

[sullen cairn]

My sources say no

[white matrix]

Well, I mean there is two leading theories atm: 1. Is that amphimachairodus being in hh2 potentially indicates an earlier migration to north america before major ecological transformation. There is also some Nimravides material in Hh2 meaning both Amphi and Nim coexisted.

2. Another reason is that it could just mean Nnimravides went extinct before Amphi pulled up

Though number 2 might be more possible afaik because of the environmental changes in hh2-hh3 boundary.

[mossy anchor]

Tysm!

[white matrix]

blocked. L.

[mossy anchor]

Guys theres like at least 3 dinosaurs here, INSANE

[white matrix]

blud pinged me and asked a question and keeps "nuh uhing" me

[light osprey]

Sinkkonen has a really nice Amphimachairodus

[white matrix]

ville never misses

[west coral]

and never will

[chilly knot]

best cat

also huge asf

[plain stirrup]

does anyone know who made this?

[sullen cairn]

joanna kobierska

[plain stirrup]

Thankyou

[white matrix]

She polish? That sounds polish to me

[copper flame]

best preserved spinosaurid?

[tough parcel]

Probably Spinosaurus or Suchomimus

[bright veldt]

Suchomimus at this stage probably

[copper flame]

looks like it

whats chilantaisaurus rn

[bright veldt]

Carcharodontosauria probably

[copper flame]

so its the smaller end now

[west coral]

Bary too

[tough parcel]

I’d say in total, Spino’s tied

[copper flame]

what happend to neovenatorids

[tough parcel]

Also apparently Sucho doesn’t even preserve a skull, the material you see is referred

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646189848209915916/1170384441030488064/image0.png?ex=6558d873&is=65466373&hm=2d9109bda64c9c448381d3af4d2e53470b7ee83643f77cbb23e8d6bc896b0526&

[woeful falcon]

do SpinoInWonderland some service

[storm heron]

Everything Ive been told was a lie.

[copper flame]

ITS ALL A LIE!!!!!!!!!

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-23864982

[copper flame]

also is T. mcraensis valid?

[storm heron]

Possibly, atm not sure but its possible.

[woeful falcon]

this is why I don't like peeps using mcraensis willy nilly

[tough parcel]

It’s an abstract, there is literally no paper publicly released

[copper flame]

what abt A.amplexus (or epantrias)

[storm heron]

I lost track regarding anything between A.fragilis and Saurophaganax

[tough parcel]

That’s been pingponged around, also no paper (recently) on it, same for Saurophaganax

[copper flame]

maximus is probably more valid

[light osprey]

Cristatusaurus 🗣️💯

[storm heron]

Is it possible that Tarbosaurus range extended to Russia or?

[light osprey]

Sure, lots of speculative geographic ranges are possible

[copper flame]

what happend to titanosaurus

[light osprey]

Maybe more aptly inquired, is it substantiated currently. In that case, idk

[sullen cairn]

titanosaurus has a crummy type and all the non-type species got split up

[copper flame]

what do you mean

[sullen cairn]

titanosaurus indicus is barely even valid if at all

and then a bunch of other titanosaurus species were named
kinda like troodon if it was even worse

[bright veldt]

I have them as carcharodontosauria just outside of carcharodontosauridae cause it's easy and about as supported as anything else involving the 3 taxa this situation always plagues (Neovenator, Siats, Chilantaisaurus)

[light osprey]

Average Lameta taxon

[tough parcel]

I think we should bring back wastebasket taxon and stop with this “carefully determining automorphies” or whatever

[sullen cairn]

carcharadontosauria is a conspriracy by benson et al to preserve neovenatoridae as a clade

[white matrix]

@sullen cairn can you scale your “average” arctodus to the largest kansas river male for me pls 🥺

[compact leaf]

big paleo at it again

[sullen cairn]

64cm humerus looks to be something like this

[white matrix]

I see ty

[west coral]

Small feller

[light osprey]

That was quick

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure it’s the inawentu material plugged into his antarctosaurus, but impressive nonetheless

[sullen cairn]

he will be beaten to death

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

Herbivores are strong and cool remember?

[sullen cairn]

sure

[white matrix]

smol

[west coral]

Compare this fella with some of the other sauropods

[sullen cairn]

Most of em don’t even fit on the page

[steep needle]

checks out

[clever sable]

Is that krytops

[white matrix]

No it’s giganotosaurus

[sullen cairn]

Llukalkan

[jovial wadi]

Its built like an abelisaurid

[light osprey]

Big Sauropods?

[sullen cairn]

Most of em are just too tall

[west coral]

just make inawentu smaller

[pearl briar]

ight folkes tell me
is that sauro or allo?

[storm heron]

Any potential size estimates for Bissektipelta?

[sullen cairn]

~3.25m by my extremely questionable scaling

[chilly knot]

Allosaurus jimmadseni

[sullen cairn]

wait a minute why the hell is timurlengia bigger than an ankylosaur

[storm heron]

Ah, seems fairly small.

[sullen cairn]

it'd be funny if bissektypelta and turanoceratops were both tiny

[storm heron]

Well, Turanoceratops is very small for a Ceratopsin, smaller than Uranoceratops.

[sullen cairn]

and then there's the comparatively giant carcharodontosaur and/or dromaeosaur

weird lil formation

[storm heron]

Well those theropods are known from very fragmentary remains so size can potentially vary

[sullen cairn]

yeah
although the maxilla probably belongs to something appreciably larger than timurlengia

[storm heron]

Mhm

[sullen cairn]

the phalanx is a phalanx though so yeah i wouldn't really pay much mind to its scaling

[storm heron]

Wasn't it possible that the phalanx can belong to a Therizinosaurid

[west coral]

Antarctosaurus with inawentu as base

[radiant ridge]

It has the general body shape but it’s head isn’t as round and compact as a usual abelisaurid, it’s head is almost like a megalosaurid but the body suggests otherwise and it doesn’t have the skull shape to be a carcharodontosaurid

[west coral]

how big is that abelisaurid?

[lavish frigate]

Ai?

[clever sable]

Very much so

[lavish frigate]

Yeah I saw all that lol. I was wondering why it was here though

[clever sable]

Why are you posting AI art in here, it's not your art, it's like taking a random piece of art you found online and claiming it's yours, you put no effort into it, a program made it for you

[white matrix]

What I didn’t know sheesh, calm down

[clever sable]

Nah, screw AI

[white matrix]

I agree but why are you forcing aggression on me

[ancient crystal]

I wouldn't call it stealing since it has no worth in the first place

[clever sable]

Because you posted AI art in here without disclosing that it is AI

[real swan]

General Channel Reminder!

Please remain polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our #rules

[light osprey]

Seems like he didn’t know, I couldn’t either lol

[white matrix]

You clearly didn’t read how I said “I didn’t know”

Stop jumping into conclusions

[clever sable]

I was under the assumption that it was AI that you generated as you didn't credit anyone

[white matrix]

I post art I like here randomly I was suspicious with the claws like you were but didn’t think much.

[bright veldt]

You don’t need to jump the man

[light osprey]

Here’s a real Panthera onca don’t we all love it

[sullen cairn]

6.8m

[white matrix]

I was actually looking for art of panthera onca mesembrina

[sullen cairn]

Turns out that cau thing was about another large Asian phalange originally assigned to a dromaeosaur

[light osprey]

That would explain the art

Looks like Ugueto cooked something up

[white matrix]

Common Ugueto W, his iggy might be my favourite art piece of his

[white matrix]

Panthera atrox/spelea?

[light osprey]

The picture is supposed to be Panthera onca mesembrina if that’s what you’re referring to

[white matrix]

Oh I see

[clever sable]

Ah ok, MB I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like I did, sorry about that

[west coral]

Tratayenia is MASSIVE

[light osprey]

Real?

[west coral]

well massive in comparison with pretty much everything else except traukutitan

[light osprey]

So still 8 metres?

[steady rock]

how much did yutyrannus weigh?

[sullen cairn]

like 1250-1550kg

[west coral]

wait i might have mis-scaled it

[steady rock]

any 2 ton tyrannosauriods?

[west coral]

accidentally made it too large, but it’s still a big fella

[sullen cairn]

prodeinodon's something around 2t if you consider it a tyrannosauroid

[steady rock]

theres literally nothing about it

[sullen cairn]

exactly

next closest thing is embasaurus at something like 1750kg

[white matrix]

Speaking of cats when will the cougar be added back

[woeful falcon]

Bistahi doesn't get into the 2 ton ranges? Know it don't got a lot of material going for it but still

[sullen cairn]

bistah is prolly hitting 3t

[light osprey]

[white matrix]

That's what he or she said

[woeful falcon]

A small bistahi*

[light osprey]

Hey any climate stuff for Los Alamitos?

[sullen cairn]

actually i'd like to take back what i said about prodeinodon because that thing is getting distressingly large with that 1m tibia

[steady rock]

oh. how big?

[west coral]

also did all of rio colorado, trauku still the biggest

[sullen cairn]

like 3t scaling with yuty
i'd use one of the longorostrine taxa but this thing might be too early cretaceous for that

[sullen cairn]

who's the auca base guy

[west coral]

purple at the end?

[white matrix]

That's what she said

[sullen cairn]

ye

[west coral]

hartmans

[white matrix]

Lol

[sullen cairn]

what taxon/specimen

[west coral]

Hartmans scale bar

[sullen cairn]

oh crap i thought it was still just bajo de la carpa

auca shrinks with the skeletal from the thesis iirc

[west coral]

show me

[sullen cairn]

my attempt at scaling with the figured skull

although auca estimates are just weird

[sullen cairn]

like why

[west coral]

stiltlegs

with the new figure auca turns mini

[radiant ridge]

What is the big light blue boy

[velvet sequoia]

Should we added them to POT?

[west coral]

Traukutitan

[storm heron]

Oh pfffft, thanks for clarifying that. I must have misread/misinterpreted it.

[storm heron]

Perhaps the measurements and materials were poorly figured before the thesis. However, I like the new skull though.\

[west coral]

How long is Kaijutitan?

[light osprey]

Kaiju sized if I had to guess

[storm heron]

I could be wrong, but are the legs scaled here too short ?

[west coral]

sure is

[sullen cairn]

skull's like 62cm here

[white matrix]

Imma be honest, so far I don't see where all the hate for LOOP is coming from

[alpine island]

All I’ve really seen is their Allo which is cursed but doesn’t warrant the mass freakout

[compact leaf]

a lot of their dinosaurs have some pretty major issues, the diplodocus is another one that’s pretty bad from an accuracy standpoint

I think the bigger issue a lot of people have with it is that it’s a few minutes of prehistoric animals and then an entire episode of recycled bbc footage

[jagged trellis]

alongside the lines being...questionable( actually p bad for alot of em alongside some of the themes) despite the good narrator

[west coral]

why

[jovial wadi]

Wat is dat

[sullen cairn]

hartman's aucasaurus

[west coral]

done rio neuquen, on to rio limay

[light osprey]

Conacian formation? Ew

[sullen cairn]

murus is marginally longer than mega

actually i can't tell here but you should use the composite instead of the description skeletal anyways

[steady rock]

can you do the la amarga formation?

where everything might not even exist besides amargasaurus

[west coral]

sure

[white matrix]

I just saw the Rex courtship scene and I can't believe bro got cockblocked by a space rock

[light osprey]

Possibly the best LooP scene review I’ve seen

[steady rock]

i thought amargastego didnt exist?

[light osprey]

It might just be undiagnostic? I know there’s still Stegosaurian material there

[scenic flame]

iirc there was a paper a few years ago that lumped amargatitan into amargasaurus

[white matrix]

Ok the scene with the Smilodon and the Doedicurus is adorable

[snow python]

Accurate?

[pearl briar]

who is this?

[west coral]

Himalayasaurus, and yeah, it’s pretty accurate

[main acorn]

It says at the bottom

[fossil ingot]

Theres a scene where its neck its cursed

[snow python]

I thought Himalayasaurus was 15m in this pic it looks bigger

[exotic helm]

Skeletal

[static zodiac]

How would u feel when later studies concluded that saurophaganax is a invalid genus and just a large A.Fragilis so much for a badass dinosaur name that may not actually be real at all.

[tough parcel]

With how things are looking, it’s a bit more likely to be distinct, though species or genus is up in the air

[static zodiac]

I was also wondering is there any more allosaurids besides the 3 allo species along with sauro and epanterias?

[tough parcel]

Don’t think so

[static zodiac]

Actually i watched a video about how dinos may be depicted differently from what they are like for example the species panthera havin like the same skeletal structure but with different appearance (lion, tiger, jaguar etc) would that be the case for allosaurus or others?

[tough parcel]

I mean yea, that’s kinda the standard? So fragilis and Jimmi would appear different

[white matrix]

Man P. onca mesembrina really messed up this poor Mylodon skull, though pretty interesting it went after a ground sloth considering mesembrina probably specialized in camelids/hippidon.

[bright veldt]

Epanterias likely isn’t a thing. It’s just a jumble of large allosaurid specimens

[light osprey]

My brain read that as Epapatelo and I almost cried

[steep needle]

lmao

[gaunt raven]

Like which lines?

[jagged trellis]

that the environment is at the mercy of the birds is a lovely start, or saying a adult trike will consistently faulter fight wise to a adult rex

[gaunt raven]

Oh yeah those are iffy, I haven’t seen a lot of the show yet once I saw it’s allosaurus I was pretty much done with it

[jagged trellis]

like alot of it would've been good if not for the lines painting a entirely different picture, granted i haven't fully finished but mmmmm very concerning on the parts ive seen so far

[gaunt raven]

Yeah that makes sense

[bright veldt]

“Mammals struggle to survive while reptiles walk with a confident swagger” - Morgan Freeman on Buffalo vs Komodo Dragons

[jagged trellis]

man, just like a onion, multiple layers and they all stink

[gaunt raven]

Ah yes seems legit

[tough parcel]

All the exaggerated swagger of an apex lizard predator

[jagged trellis]

they do have more swag than a buffalo i agree but uhhh dunno if large bovids spreading across island chains and multiple continents alongside the lizards is struggling too much overall

[copper flame]

is the neovenatoridea now

[bright veldt]

The what

[light osprey]

The neovenatoridae is indeed now

[jagged trellis]

oh and scene wise how a singular cave lion took down a sub adult mammoth while no others of either side helped until it was fully down and basically dead

[west coral]

short rebbachisaurs and large carcharodontosaurids are the perfect combination in trying to fit into a scale chart

[compact leaf]

the entire cave lion mammoth scene was pretty bad from just a common sense standpoint

a few cave lions (which iirc aren't thought to have been particularly social) holding up an entire herd of mammoths in broad daylight and then a single one killing a subadult makes no sense whatsoever

[white matrix]

cave lions also weren’t white

[west coral]

rio limay ft. the candeleros monster

[light osprey]

Noooo, you can’t just make a chart of a whole geological unit

[copper flame]

can you tho?

[west coral]

also featuring 5 of the same rebbachisaurs and 3 identical carcharodontosaurs

and don’t forget every grade of titanosaur, twice!

[compact leaf]

assorted limaysaurus 1 through 5

there’s like two unique rebbachisaurids, the rest are carbon copies of limaysaurus

[light osprey]

Common Cenomanian L

[compact leaf]

hey they found something that worked and stuck to it, gotta respect that

[sullen cairn]

xingezhuang truly had some of the megafauna of all time

[light osprey]

Meanwhile Aeolosaurus spanning all of South America

[west coral]

everything being under 20 tons woo

[copper flame]

did ampelosaurus have an predators

[light osprey]

There is a predator in the same environment as Ampelosaurus

[copper flame]

what is it

[white matrix]

The way the Komodo dragon envenomates the water buffalo calf is just full of the exaggerated swagger of a reptile overlord

[light osprey]

Probably Arcovenator

[copper flame]

this guy

[light osprey]

Probably a bit smaller last I recall

But yeah, there’s your Iberian apex