paleontology

[tough parcel]

A rare moment of randomdino’s savagery

[white matrix]

savage random arc the movie

[clever sable]

Also, one last icthyosaur question, how unreliable are estimates for the aust colossus

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[stiff osprey]

a lot better than hector's since the material still exists, but still not far above maraapuni tier

[tough parcel]

Ah, so worse Utahraptor

[sullen cairn]

Yes

And it’s still at least like 30cm oversized

[clever sable]

Also, is the aust colossus the same as the lilstock monster or are they 2 different specimens because I've seen people refer to them as different specimens and as different names for the same specimen

[light osprey]

All of these smell stinky

[sullen cairn]

How tf did I only just see random made a sigil skeletal

[stiff osprey]

because i did it about 8 minutes ago

[tough parcel]

Oh yea, it’s been released for months

[sullen cairn]

Oh it was 15 minutes ago

[tough parcel]

No, shut up guys, it was months ago, Table’s just losing their grip on reality

[stiff osprey]

They're different specimens, both of which have inconsistent scaling because the Shastasaurus surangular they were compared to has varying measurements for some reason

[stiff osprey]

well, if you agree with Arden et al. (aka are wrong), i've had a Sigil skeletal since the 8th

[tough parcel]

Huzzah! I win, you all lose, take the L and pack up

[stiff osprey]

the organism

[light osprey]

Is that a Spinosaurus synonymisation paper?

[sullen cairn]

That was smyth

[stiff osprey]

arden et al are the one that says MSNM v4047 is sigilmassasaurus because their sample of sigil vertebrae was bigger than their sample of spino vertebrae

[sullen cairn]

No comment

[light osprey]

Definitely out to bait Table

[sullen cairn]

i can't believe someone would lie on the internet

[white matrix]

real

[sullen cairn]

coastal central america, ~74 Ma

[light osprey]

The great faunal exchange of ‘44

[white matrix]

the bite of 87

[sullen cairn]

labocania when the 4t+ brazilian abelisaurs move north instead of the argentine ones

like its actually kinda funny how bad argentine abelisaurids were at getting big after the cenomanian-turonian

[light osprey]

They were better at living in not problematic strata 😎

[sullen cairn]

the next largest thing in argentina after carno is only like 30cm shorter and from way back in the valanginian

[steady rock]

is oxford in england

[white matrix]

ye

[steady rock]

i cant think of anymore england dinosaur formations besides oxford and wessex

[white matrix]

Im here in the uk so yea (different city tho)

[light osprey]

Kimmeridge Clay

[steady rock]

what was in there?

[light osprey]

Idk

[steady rock]

Oh.

[tough parcel]

The 50 meter Liopleurodon

[light osprey]

So very real

[steady rock]

oh.

[sullen cairn]

taynton limestone also exists

[steady rock]

also, does anyone have that skeletal of that mega-megalosaurus?

or whatever that big oxford predator was

[sullen cairn]

might be a newer one but i'm too lazy to check

[light osprey]

Callovian so slightly older than where M. bucklandii is known from I think

[sullen cairn]

megalo isn't oxford clay afaik btw

[steady rock]

what

[sullen cairn]

oxford clay's like eustrepto and metri and stuff

[steady rock]

. . . .then where is it from

[light osprey]

Yeah, there’s indet. Megalosaurid material from Oxford

I think

[sullen cairn]

meglo's type is taynton limestone

[steady rock]

wheres that?

[sullen cairn]

big femur is forest marble

[sullen cairn]

oxfordshire apparently

[steady rock]

is that in england

[white matrix]

Man I hate finding neogene Ls, I found like 3 in the span of 30 minutes

[sullen cairn]

oxford is in oxfordshire

[light osprey]

So this material in the Peterborough member, probably Eustremptospondylus?

[sullen cairn]

eustrepto looks to be middle oxford so idk

[light osprey]

why am even bothering with this Jurassic stuff, I only care about the Maastrichtian

[steady rock]

im looking up a list of dinosaurs found in the united kingdom and what

[white matrix]

Wikipedia moment

[sullen cairn]

the inevitable return to self

[steady rock]

were there any dinosaurs in ireland, greenland or iceland?

[light osprey]

Greenland or adjacent maybe, let me check

[sullen cairn]

scelidosaurus is known from ireland

[light osprey]

Not Greenland, but in Nunavut is where Canadega is from

[steady rock]

its like, i wanna make a smaller roster with a set theme but its hard

my struggle is real.

[white matrix]

Elrhaz formation 💪

[crude latch]

What’s Madagascar got to offer?

[steady rock]

NOTHING
sauropods, a frog, majungasaurus and a british dinosaur

[crude latch]

A brish dinosaur?

[white matrix]

Since when tf is campto bri'ish?

[light osprey]

Weddellian Province 🔥🔥

[steady rock]

masiakasaurus

[white matrix]

I recommend elrhaz

[crude latch]

Lemme see

[steady rock]

how much did amargasaurus weigh?

[crude latch]

Also your forgetting one beautiful goober of a croc from Madagascar

[steady rock]

i'd turn it into crocodile boots

[crude latch]

You wouldn’t dare turn Simo into boots >:{

[steady rock]

i retract this statement for legal reasons

[light osprey]

Maevarano would be a good one

[tough parcel]

I have a Simosuchus farm specifically tailored to boot making, I also have one for jackets

[light osprey]

Is there a name for the campanian-Maastrichtian Brazilian eco-region

[steady rock]

you know? instead of region locked, how about i become weight locked. how much does amargasaurus weigh?

[sullen cairn]

like 3.5t iirc

[jagged trellis]

like 4 tons if i recall

[bright veldt]

4 tons ye

[steady rock]

alright, anything under 3 tons then, amargasaurus being the largest land creature

[tough parcel]

Why not 10 tons

[steady rock]

thats almost every damn dinosaur besides 2 hadrosaurs and alot of sauropods

[jagged trellis]

dunno if they had mcdouble deals where amarga lived

[tough parcel]

I wish

[sullen cairn]

iirc some of it extended to argentina too but closest thing would be the southern hot arid belt

[steady rock]

why is making a dinosaur roster so hard

[crude latch]

Make a whale evolutionary line roster

[steady rock]

no

[jagged trellis]

it is and isn't, just depends on what ya want ya roster to be around vs the individual ones in it

[light osprey]

Wow, what a great name 😐

[crude latch]

Santana Formation, For Pteroaurs

[light osprey]

Romualdo

But, Pteranodontians are better so, Abdoun Ouled >

[sullen cairn]

romualdo has a good amount of carnivores too

abdoun ouled when you need to do terrestrial fauna

[steady rock]

how much did yutyrannus weigh?

[tough parcel]

More than what is GDIed, I’ll tell you hwhat

[steady rock]

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

[crude latch]

Jiufotang Formation

[tough parcel]

The last (only?) GDI used a Guanlong dorsal on an around Allosaurus-sized tyrannosauroid

[sullen cairn]

can some just gdi blameson's plz

[tough parcel]

Well, we’d need a workable dorsal first

[sullen cairn]

kid named the one with an albertosaurine dorsal

[steady rock]

someone already used that

[tough parcel]

How did he get that, isn’t Yuty crushed flat + bad description

[white matrix]

Shesh yuty got giant ass arms

[sullen cairn]

"muh bad dorsal"
new dorsal
"yuty can't have a good dorsal b/c smushed"

[tough parcel]

Nothing I said is contradictory though, you complain about nothing

[sullen cairn]

grrr i need to be mad at something

[tough parcel]

Go tear off Stego’s leg or something, he regrows a limb every week or so

[white matrix]

derpy stego?

[sullen cairn]

anyways we have this with an axial length of i have no clue

[steady rock]

i have a question, what formations would've lived in conditions like pachyrhino and cryolophosaurus?

[white matrix]

I know a lot of stegos…

[tough parcel]

Pachyrhino and Cryolopho

[sullen cairn]

the ones that lived with pachyrhinosaurus and cryolophosaurus

[crude latch]

I think I might do a Pterosaur Roster now

[steady rock]

well is there any more?

[tough parcel]

Cryolophosaurus was like…generic tropics

Pachyrhino was like…generic temperate wetlands

[steady rock]

.

[sullen cairn]

wasn't prince creek like stinky foggy craphole

[crude latch]

What’s a formation that is near only pterosaurs

[sullen cairn]

sassy's basement

[tough parcel]

Yea? Hence wetlands I said temperate because apparently some weather studies done for PP said snow was a thing every so often

[crude latch]

Who tf is sassy

[steady rock]

alright, i figured out i want
early cretaceous american formations, start naming them

[tough parcel]

They do not know of Sassy…quite unfortunate

[white matrix]

Sad day to all

[crude latch]

WHOS SASSY

[tough parcel]

Wikipedia

[white matrix]

SassyPaleoNerd, they love pterosaurs in a nutshell

[steady rock]

last time i used wikipedia it said camptosaurus was british

[crude latch]

Maybe if I was told I would remember but idk 😭

[sullen cairn]

cedar mountain besides mussentuchit

[tough parcel]

There’s probably a referred fossil for Campto in some vaguely British formation

[crude latch]

Ah

[sullen cairn]

because cenomanian is late cretaceous

falcon

[steady rock]

does anyone remember torvosaurus enjoyer

[tough parcel]

Huh what, what’s going on, who’d I eat now? If it was the girl from earlier, I had no idea she had a family

[white matrix]

That was Official PoT Hitman he got banned for wearing a pycno pfp leak

[crude latch]

Ok but like what are some near only pterosaur formations?

[sullen cairn]

when you and minos were freaking out over that lewisville carch because the title had "late cretaceous"

and it was contemporary with siats

[tough parcel]

I don’t remember any of this, I must have been half crazed at the time. A victim of idiot deficiency

[sullen cairn]

your honor, i plead i forgor

[steady rock]

didnt siats, utahraptor and acro all live in early cretaceous utah?

[light osprey]

He’s hiding all the Pteranodontian cranial material

[white matrix]

real

[sullen cairn]

not at the same time but yeah (idk if acro has anything beyond cringe tooth referals in utah because i forgot what the abstract said)

[tough parcel]

Sassy is a guy unless something’s changed since last I checked

[sullen cairn]

and siats was more late cretaceous

[tough parcel]

T.rex was also late Cretaceous…does this mean Siats vs T.rex???

[sullen cairn]

because cenomanian (why is there no middle cretaceous)

[light osprey]

Only I didn’t write she

[tough parcel]

Sad!

[light osprey]

[sullen cairn]

potomac group's early cretaeous as well iirc

[crude latch]

ASSUMING GENDER IN 2023!!!, I THINK I MIGHT DIE XD

[steady rock]

okay i got cedar moutian, anything else from early cretaceous american formations?

[sullen cairn]

paleo chat when having a normal conversation

[white matrix]

paleo chat when

[tough parcel]

Is there a legitimate reason there’s no “mid Cretaceous”

[crude latch]

I NEED A FORMATION FULL OF PTEROSAURS STAT

[sullen cairn]

arundel

[white matrix]

Sassys basement as table said lol

[steady rock]

what do you mean

[sullen cairn]

cloverly lakota twin mountains

[crude latch]

DADDYS?

[white matrix]

Auto correct

[sullen cairn]

oh and antlers

[crude latch]

Nah I caught u

[white matrix]

Nah but fr I meant to type sassy

[steady rock]

why is utah the only early cretascous american formation holder

[crude latch]

Alr tho I’m being Fr I need a good pterosaur formation

[steady rock]

look it up like i do

[tough parcel]

Pteros is a good website

[steady rock]

i look up all my information and never ask others for help

[white matrix]

It’s fine to ask for help nonetheless

[crude latch]

I’ve been using Pteros a ton but I also want y’all’s opions

[steady rock]

why is there no mid cretaceous

[tough parcel]

Pteros has more information than any of us here lol

[white matrix]

🤷‍♂️

[steady rock]

💔

[white matrix]

Also torvosaurus enjoyer is asking how you remember him

[steady rock]

because, im not pantz

im dynamo the fish and probably some other names i forgot

[compact leaf]

I found another cenomanian brachiosaurid that I somehow didn't know about

[steady rock]

idk, ask falcon who i was, he has ptsd of me

[light osprey]

Is there any reason there should be?

[tough parcel]

Because it’s aesthetically pleasing

[sullen cairn]

gimme

[compact leaf]

lemme see if I can find the paper but it's a french tooth taxa

sauropod tooth taxa at least make it easy to tell what they are

[sullen cairn]

well its better than nothing

[lavish frigate]

Is….is there not a middle Cretaceous where does acro and deinon live my life is a lie

[crude latch]

What would be a funky pterosaur that would look would look weird without wings?

[sullen cairn]

all of them

[crude latch]

True but like a really funky one

[sullen cairn]

evil

[compact leaf]

I just say aptian-albian is middle because it makes my head hurt less

[lavish frigate]

I found the middle Cretaceous. We’re saved

[steady rock]

wow

[crude latch]

Oh thank god

[compact leaf]

do we have any post cenomanian deposits from japan?

[sullen cairn]

wherever kamuysaurus is from

[lavish frigate]

And to think if I hadn’t found the middle Cretaceous deinonychus and acrocanthosaurus wouldn’t exist 😔

[ruby patio]

Oh there's a new Sigilmassasaurus Spinosaurus skeletal

[compact leaf]

I can't find a full text of the paper but other authors seem to be on the same page of it being a brachiosaurid, they found it with a charcharodontosaur, a dromaeosaur, a nododsaur, and a hadrosauriform of some sort

[crude latch]

Yes as Deinonychus and acro only existed for 3 seconds in that sliver of the middle Cretaceous

[lavish frigate]

So sad and true 😔

Just a tiny blip on the cladogram 😔

[compact leaf]

so basically we have two hadrosaurs and a therizinosaur from a marine deposit and not much else for indication of what's there, that's what I've gathered anyway

[crude latch]

Atleast they still existed for a couple seconds

[sullen cairn]

What’s the title

[compact leaf]

I was wrong I found more

[compact leaf]

R. Vullo, D. Neraudeau, and T. Lenglet. 2007. Dinosaur teeth from the Cenomanian of Charentes, western France: evidence for a mixed Laurasian-Gondwanan assemblage.

[lavish frigate]

Wonderful how fast they fossilized

Truly a feat of nature. 1.5 seconds flat

[compact leaf]

god bless

[sullen cairn]

nice find

[compact leaf]

those are some nice teeth

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[lavish frigate]

Your only valid answer is nyctasaurus because they have no fingers so it’d be extra weird

[sullen cairn]

we'll just assume the best with this last part

[daring vault]

do anyone know any discord servers with anatomy? like muscle anatomy or drawing for sculpting/modeling? please ping me if you do

[sullen cairn]

iirc there's also an albian cenomanian thing in china

[crude latch]

YES

[sullen cairn]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8381880/
@compact leaf

[lavish frigate]

Ever seen Keenan Taylor’s sapient wingless tapejarid things?

[crude latch]

No, maybe idk

[lavish frigate]

Okie 👍 they have no wings and climb like apes

[compact leaf]

ooh

[crude latch]

Find it I might know abt it

[lavish frigate]

I would…but I’m lazy and I have to clean a kitchen instead

[compact leaf]

after some digging we've got a few things knocking around but the majority of stuff from japan is footprints, so megaraptors and an indeterminate tyrannosauroid make up our theropod assemblage, there's a supposed ceratopsian but as far as I can tell it got referred to psittacosaurus, fukuititan whatever that ends up being and an indeterminate brachiosaur in the early cretaceous, referred nemegtosaurus, a ton of sauropod footprints, and then the late cretaceous hadrosaurs and a single therizinosaur

[west coral]

Greenland has a few sauropodomorphs, Ireland has Scelidosaurus and Iceland idk

Also, everybody’s favourite; spinosaurus sigilmassasaurus

[crude latch]

@lavish frigate do you prefer To have the skin membrane thing on the sail for Nycta or no?

[sterile trail]

Ah yes, Sigilmassasaurus

[lavish frigate]

I prefer not having it. Seems like it would be a nightmare aerodynamically 💀

[crude latch]

Sigmasaurus

[sterile trail]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-monke-gif-20835999

[crude latch]

Alr good I as-well don’t like the skin membrane

Make @lavish frigate you’ll find it in #art-channel in a sec

[steady rock]

@sullen cairn i need a carnivore that wasnt a tyrannosaurid that was similar to height and weight as teratophoneus

[west coral]

Ekrixinatosaurus is a good bet

[steady rock]

pug, how do you make your size charts in gimp?

[west coral]

I don’t use gimp

[steady rock]

what do you use

[west coral]

I use Pixlr E

[steady rock]

i s it easy

[light osprey]

Just use Tyrannosaurid 😤

[woeful falcon]

Just to be sure this is known also, that teratophoneus is a juvenile

[west coral]

Pretty easy once you get the hang of it

[steady rock]

crying

[light osprey]

Lythronax has mature material right?

[woeful falcon]

Idk about lythro

[sullen cairn]

lythro's just the holotype and WHY IS BRICK'S 1M LONGER THAN HARTMAN'S WHY'S THE TIBIA SO HUGE

[west coral]

There is a larger Cf. Teratophoneus that table helped me scale, I can’t remember exactly how long it was but somewhere around 8m-9m

[steady rock]

i just want to make my own size charts ToT

[sullen cairn]

the cf. terato is 8.7m but might be a different taxon

[steady rock]

table, ho wod you make your dinosaur size charts?

[sullen cairn]

pixlr e

[steady rock]

yeah but how in it

[white matrix]

table taught me once its tricky at the start but you'll get it

[west coral]

^

[steady rock]

i'd get it if y'all told me how to

[light osprey]

I think it’s pretty accessible

[west coral]

Just Google “Pixlr E download” and you’ll be good on your way

[steady rock]

im using it and i dont know how to

[sullen cairn]

i would like to wish all brick a very what the hell is this

[west coral]

Damn

[light osprey]

Glow up Fr

[sullen cairn]

cf terato thing

[woeful falcon]

Teratophoneus body. I believe the other one uses hartman's das, so presumably more optimal for size and proportions, assuming lythronax is known from an adult

[sullen cairn]

i'm more concerned about this part

[woeful falcon]

Hartman's skeletal

[light osprey]

Hartman’s skeletals always look so nice

[woeful falcon]

My chips go to Hartman's/the edit of Hartman's over brick's.

[white matrix]

odd people think they're inaccurate

[ruby patio]

Is this the rainbow and unicorns thing

[sullen cairn]

yup

[west coral]

By odd people, do you mean David peters followers?

[white matrix]

there's more but i guess that too, they think its inaccurate, but they forget hartmans really reliable considering he has direct access to the material

[crude latch]

Isn’t David Peters like, Deranged when it comes to reconstructions?

[light osprey]

Not allowed to use such direct language in this chat, least to say, they are interesting

[crude latch]

Ye

They did my baby Sharovipteryx dirty with that run cycle 😭

[west coral]

Anyone have a good Rhinotitan reference besides the mount? Or is the mount all there is?

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[light osprey]

He’s brilliant, sees what no other expert sees in the bones 😤💯🗣️

[crude latch]

FS FS 💯

[white matrix]

Does anyone know when H. latidens diverged from extant felids? Been getting wacky numbers 😔

[lavish frigate]

He didn’t….

[white matrix]

getting some close to the oligocene/miocene boundary

[crude latch]

Didn’t David Peters like make a pterosaurs baby near microscopic?

[light osprey]

Machairodontinae should be the most derived Felids, right before, Felinae appear

So early Miocene sounds about right

[mossy anchor]

Whats the most up to date skeletal and possibly paleo-art of allosaurus? Im curious after seeing…a certain new docuseries interpretation

[white matrix]

franoys

[mossy anchor]

Thanks so much!

[light osprey]

Fred’s Allosaurus is my favorite depiction of it, in terms of art

[crude latch]

So chuby

[light osprey]

Nuh uh 😠

[crude latch]

I meant that in a good way

[white matrix]

fred never misses wonder if he still makes paleo art

[light osprey]

Currently I’m obsessed with Ville Sinkkonen’s stuff

[west coral]

great art of random yet interesting giraffids

[west coral]

He does, he just made a piece of a revamped WWD anky

[white matrix]

What are some pieces of his work pretty lazy to search him lol

[junior dawn]

he’s great

he gave me permission to make an edit of his jinzhousaurus skeletal

[white matrix]

My god ok yes, I love this

[light osprey]

Clearly I have favorites lol

[west coral]

These fellers too

[white matrix]

Ooh giraffids/camelids too, man thiss guys amazing

[regal ether]

Does anybody get UNREASONABLY confused and upset by these super common size diagrams that can't even get the outline of an animal remotely close to how it actually looked

Especially because they usually make them super skinny so it doesn't even actually show the size of the animals 😭 which is the whole point of the diagrams

I mean look at the poor deinocheirus what did they do to him he looks nothing like a deinocheirus in any way except that he sort of has a hump

[white matrix]

erm prehistoric wildlife never gets anything right so it’s not surprising

[regal ether]

Yeah it's so confusing. They consistently make every animal look like this and I can only guess the reason why is that must not be drawn by an experienced artist? Because they have the most inaccurate reconstructions I think I have ever seen in my life aside from maybe retrosaurs

[sullen cairn]

I like them cause they’re funny

[regal ether]

They do look funny that's true

shant looks like he cant breathe because his snout has a dent in it LOL

[west coral]

They removed his nose as punishment

[onyx flame]

Tarbo became Hunchback of Notre Dame 💀💀💀

[white matrix]

I really like a lot of his bovids

[west coral]

Beishanlong is basically an upscaled gallimimus

[light osprey]

We’re gonna need him whenever someone decides to make a Pleistocene documentary

[white matrix]

I know we’re getting a cenozoic documentary but I don’t think it’s pleistocene focused?

[light osprey]

Oof

[white matrix]

Wait was Daeodon Pleistocene?

[light osprey]

Miocene

[white matrix]

Ok it seems to be centred towards the Miocene

[light osprey]

Well, I’m sure there’s plenty of good stuff there. Maybe some pseudotooth birds too

[white matrix]

It’s a long list but yea lots of Miocene taxa

[light osprey]

It’s an ok list

[white matrix]

Oh so there’s late Eocene taxa as well

sighs so there is some Pleistocene creatures as well so I’m guessing it’s late Eocene- Late Pleistocene

[west coral]

Is this agate?

[white matrix]

👍

[sullen cairn]

because i'm such a wonderful person i checked how much heavier yuty gets with the tyrannosaurid dorsal by just scaling snout-sacrum length to the gdi
blameson's ends up at ~1600kg vs ~1250kg with the other gdi
random's edit ends up at ~1875kg vs ~1515kg with the other gdi

[light osprey]

How long is Yutyrannus

[sullen cairn]

blameson's is like 7.5m axial length and random's is 8.1m

man blameson's is wide even next to the albertosaurus adapted dorsal

[crude latch]

Just to be clear Quetz is still the largest pterosaur correct, I remember awhile back someone said it wasn’t.

[pearl briar]

iirc it was hatz due to her robustness and 70kg more heavier then quetz

[crude latch]

Ah ok, Altho I’m pretty sure the person said it was a new species but I could be wrong

[pearl briar]

regardless
quetz & hatz is such a good couple imo 😎

[crude latch]

Ye

[sullen cairn]

mfw scaling yuty with the megaraptoran gdi might not be a terrible idea

[light osprey]

Sounds deeply heretical

[ruby patio]

Are those scaled assuming the femur is complete or incomplete

[sullen cairn]

they're set to the same length for the sake of comparison

[ruby patio]

No like the skeletals

[sullen cairn]

great question

femur's are the same size in the two

[light osprey]

Femurs are femuring, that is just fantastic

[sullen cairn]

random's is the same size as well

[light osprey]

Can we get a direct comparison of the skeletals?

[sullen cairn]

anyways scaling with the maip gdi blameson's is 1275kg and random's 1575kg

[light osprey]

What is going on with the middle one’s nasal bone

[sullen cairn]

dan's skull

[stiff osprey]

what wacky variation between different skeletals
let's find out which one is best by looking at the measure-

oh

[sullen cairn]

this will never not be funny

[lavish frigate]

Is yutyrannus not well described

[sullen cairn]

Wow three nearly complete skeletons? By golly I sure hope the description's longer than three pages!

[light osprey]

By golly you’d be gravely mistaken

[gaunt raven]

So what are we thinking about the LOOP allosaurus design?

[ancient crystal]

Terrible

[gaunt raven]

That’s what I thought too

It’s too “crocodilian” for me and it’s arms look off

[gaunt raven]

Seems like a lot of the designs fit that description

[storm heron]

So atm, those three skeletals of Yutyrannus are equally accurate to be used as a refference?

[sullen cairn]

more or less, but prolly moreso random and blame's
and of the two blame's is pretty recent

[storm heron]

What about GAT's?

[sullen cairn]

i'm not sure if there's anything outright wrong about it but it's going on like seven years old at this point

that and gat can be kinda weird with theropods

[storm heron]

Hmm, I see

Also Dan made a Yutryannus skull?

[sullen cairn]

apparently

[woeful falcon]

Two, one per specimen. Blameson used it for his skelly I think

One is the more dorito shape one most are accustomed to, the other is the one on blameson's skelly

[regal ether]

I kinda like it, it's inaccurate but to be honest almost all the designs for the dinosaurs in that show are so at least it looks interesting on top of the inaccurate

[gaunt raven]

It looks like the JW allosaurus but with lips and slightly toned down

[regal ether]

Yeah, which to me is better than the wacky sauropods LOL

The question is which of the dinosaurs was the best

For me it's between the terror bird, the deinonychus, or the rex in terms of just plain accuracy but all of those are still... questionable

Actually maybe the ornithomimid the deinonychus were chasing is better, I can't remember

was it even an ornithomimid..? dang actually yall I cant remember nothing LOL

[gaunt raven]

The deinonychus isn’t bad at all tbh, the terror bird is really good and I particularly like the plesiosaur, rex is a bit iffy with especially with its babies

[gaunt raven]

I can’t remember what it was ngl but it definitely looked like an ornithomimid

[storm heron]

Oh, I haven't seen it. Is there anyway I could see it or is it private?

[distant lark]

@stiff osprey I wish to ask you, why are Skeletals on Pachycephalosaurus so few and far between?

These are all I could find

[rigid crypt]

anyone know new max size estimates for sauro and dasp with skeletals?

[distant lark]

sauroniops is a valid taxon?

[rigid crypt]

saurophagnax

[sullen cairn]

12.8m measurement is iffy cause its based off scale bars at an angle

[rigid crypt]

whats the weight?

[chilly knot]

~5t

[sullen cairn]

~5.1t 🤓

[chilly knot]

[tacit pine]

Marine reptiles are cool

[bright veldt]

Mosasaurus was 12 meters and 10 tons. Deinosuchus’s best estimates are 12 meters and 9 tons, but the 14 meter and 15 ton deinosuchus exist. @tacit pine there is no 15 ton mosa estimate tmk.

[pastel scroll]

Mosa was estimated to be heavier. I forgot the estimate but I believe you

[tacit pine]

There was a quadrate specimen for the 15 ton mosa i have some proof of it but give me a moment to find it

[white matrix]

its the quadrate but it is very unreliable

[bright veldt]

That’s news to me. Fair.

[sullen cairn]

i feel like half of paleo chat at this point is just scanova's correcting people about sizes in #modding spilling over into this channel

[chilly knot]

Quadrate=stoopid

[bright veldt]

What’s a quadrate again?

[chilly knot]

Little posterior skull bone

[bright veldt]

Gotcha

[pastel scroll]

Deinosuchus was prob heavier then mosa, but I really don’t know cuz I’m pretty sure crocodillans have dense bones that reduce their overall weight. But idk

[bright veldt]

I see what y’all mean now lol

[sullen cairn]

whenever i worry that 2/3rds of the big brazilian abelisaurids are crappy cranial fragments i see stuff like this and feel better

[tacit pine]

Wasn’t prehistoric planets mosa also around 15 tons?

[white matrix]

yea they must've been using the 15t estimate afaik

[sullen cairn]

iirc didn't they explicitly say that was a hypothetical max or something like that

[bright veldt]

AFAIK based on Naish’s tweets, it was meant to be specifically for the large male that is focused on in the first episode that kinda translated to the species in general being stated as 15 tons

[stiff osprey]

they did say it was a particularly large male, but then the other male it fights is around the same size as it

[pastel scroll]

Ok, off topic but do you think Livy could grow over 13 meters?

[pastel scroll]

I think the large male was chunkier, and the younger one was more slim

[bright veldt]

Livyatan’s size varies dramatically based on what metric you use to scale the rest of the body. 16 meters feels the most likely rn.

[white matrix]

Livy got downsized to 12.5m

[bright veldt]

Ysure? the 12 meter estimates have always existed. Why now are they what’s in favor?

[white matrix]

they have? i thought it was recent

[pastel scroll]

I think it would be 12 meters for females and around 14 meters for males but that’s just me.

[bright veldt]

The 12 meter, 16 meter, and 18 meter models have always existed. It has just depended on what relative you reference.

[chilly knot]

Someone made a livy with basilosaurus HL:TL ratio, that was quite funny

[pastel scroll]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZI5KseFzMHCS8-_1XlJgh4CQK06yCvfmizg&usqp=CAU

[white matrix]

oh, the 12.5m estimate comes from scaling it with the proportions of brygmophyseter

[pastel scroll]

It says 16 meters, and most articles about the length of Livy put it at 16 meters and 50 tons

[bright veldt]

16 meters and 40 tons is what’s generally seen the most yeah, although I’ve seen the 12 meter estimate as well. 18 meters is more questionable since it becomes quite the noodle at that length.

[pastel scroll]

I’m pretty sure modern day adult males are 18 meters, or 16 on average. Livy was most likely smaller. But yeah 16 meters at max for adult males, and 13 meters for females

But yeah they were definitely bigger then the biggest orca tilikuim

Atleast the biggest official orca

[distant lark]

What material is known of this animal? How sure are we on the fact this was not Torvosaurus?

[bright veldt]

I mean that’s modern sperm whales. Keep in mind that with Livyatan it’s scaling the rather short skull to 18 meters

[bright veldt]

Saurophagonax and Torvosaurus don’t overlap in age Tbf

[distant lark]

which one is upper and which one is lower tithonian?

[bright veldt]

Torvosaurus didn’t appear in the Tithonian tmk? It’s Kimmeridgian

Correct me if I’m wrong

[distant lark]

who said anything about turonian?

[bright veldt]

I get Tithonian and Turonian confused sorry

[distant lark]

so Saurophaganax would be more recent than Torvosaurus

[bright veldt]

Ye

[sullen cairn]

that and torvo didn't live in oklahoma

although apparently there's something with kenton being older than torvo's deposits

[pastel scroll]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2eqJYtFO3SI&si=f67o2ZLA1jFifnGx ik this isn’t the real sounds of them, most likely not cuz they sound like bird sounds

[magic monolith]

how heavy was sachi

[white matrix]

13-17t iirc

[distant lark]

How sure are we on the fact saurophaganax is not a systematic successor to torvosaurus?

[chilly knot]

It came before torvosaurus apparently

[exotic helm]

Well the specimen we have is a sub-adult individual at 10.2 tons

Adults have a range of 13.5-15 tons

[magic monolith]

ok

[tacit pine]

That sounds more reasonable than a random jump from 13-17t

[white matrix]

guess i was wrong

[tacit pine]

Also do you have a yt channel?

[exotic helm]

I’ve seen 18 ton estimates for sachica Vitae but could be a overestimate

[exotic helm]

Maybe

[tacit pine]

Oh I thought i saw the name dizzy rose before on yt somewhere

[exotic helm]

Lol thats me

[tacit pine]

Oh xD, Cool videos btw

[exotic helm]

Thanks! Appreciate it

[tacit pine]

Np

[exotic helm]

Rn I an looking into some new marine reptile with the vividen and might post more on it soon

[tacit pine]

Oh alr sounds cool

[white matrix]

vividen 💀

[exotic helm]

Ye

[distant lark]

or predecessor

[clever sable]

No offense but shouldn't the size of the head not change but only the size of the main body?

[exotic helm]

Are you referring to the mosa?

[clever sable]

No, in referring to the livyatan chart thingy

As no matter what the head would remain the same size as the head is almost complete

[exotic helm]

True I didn’t make this but the head could be the same tho ye

I got a few skeleton reconstructions that keep the skull the same

[clever sable]

My ranking of paleo documentaries

[white matrix]

am i blind or do i not see life on our planet

[bright veldt]

It’s really new tbf

I personally couldn’t finish it. You’ve seen the first two episodes you’ve seen them all

[heady thunder]

It was nice.
Its biggest strength was its biggest flaw, being too broad.

[clever sable]

I need a chased by dinosaurs remake but with prehistoric planet level CGI

[clever sable]

It's biggest flaw was how weird the creature designs were imo

[bright veldt]

Eh, it had the whole spectrum

[heady thunder]

It had very good designs and it had very mid ones

[white matrix]

still hate that smilodon model

[clever sable]

It also has some straight up awful ones

[bright veldt]

You want it’s biggest flaw? The modern segments. They work early on, but it quickly devolves into “Hey, you know what else had this broad trait that most animals have? Let’s switch to a modern animal for twenty minutes” I didn’t think an hour long episode could feel so long

It’s padding

[clever sable]

Even though this allo looks awful I'm in love with it, he looks so goofy

[heady thunder]

Yeah its not a pure paleo doc, the marketing makes it look that way sadly.

Its a highlight reel of life.

[chilly knot]

What the fack

[white matrix]

In 'life on pur planet' it claims that an (presumably adult) male t.rex weights 9 tonnes. Is this accurate? I thought they were much heavier around 11 tonnes

[clever sable]

Also something feels wrong when it comes to these hands, I feel like it has 3 fingers or something

[clever sable]

It's beautiful is it not

[chilly knot]

Jurassic world allo on meth

[bright veldt]

My issue is that it doesn’t even do that well. Like I said, it actually worked really well in the first two episodes. After that though? They often exist just to waste time.

[white matrix]

its a bit funny they use 2 different smilodon species with the same model

[clever sable]

Anyways uh you should totally do the terminonaris sarcosuchus head swap skeletal fr fr

(Please)

[chilly knot]

[bright veldt]

Most rexes would’ve been around that. There’s only, like, 2-3 specimens thatre 10+ tons

[clever sable]

Also these rexes make Hank look healthy

[white matrix]

eh they seem less obese then hank

[clever sable]

Possibly 4 is Bertha is that large

[white matrix]

looks slimmer than hank

[clever sable]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[bright veldt]

The only thing majorly off with PhP afaik is the legs being a tad short

[chilly knot]

Php rex has too short legs

[heady thunder]

Too thick tbh, the length seems fine, theyre just double the thicknesd

[clever sable]

Tbh, LOOP isn't horrible, it's not good but it's not atrocious either, overall it's pretty mediocre

[bright veldt]

The thickness thing is a preference, not an inaccuracy

LOOP rex is very much a PoT Rex moment: painfully mediocre and looks pretty crud when compared to a rex of actual quality

[clever sable]

LOOP allo is legitimately pretty bad, it's like JW allo but with lips and a smaller head

[white matrix]

loop smilo is ugly too

there's a couple of issues but i don't remember them off the top of my head

[bright veldt]

The Titanis scene, erythrosuchus scene, and everything with the allo are things that I’m surprised got put into the final product. They are awful

[chilly knot]

JW allo looks unironically better

[heady thunder]

Its not ugly, might be innaccurate, but its faaaar from ugly. None of the mammal designs or paleozoic designs are ugly.

[white matrix]

it is ugly, the facial anatomy is really odd

[clever sable]

Smilodon is kinda ugly imo

[white matrix]

compared again as said to higher quality recons, LOOPs smilo is ugly

the cave lion isn't too bad at least

[bright veldt]

It kinda is

They weren’t white or social.

[clever sable]

Also is it just me or are these sauropod models ripped straight from JW

[junior dawn]

all the dinosaurs except the plateo seem to be tweaked from JW models

[clever sable]

Also is that grass in the Jurassic period

[crude latch]

Anything wrong with LOOP Keleken? It just feels kinda, Off

[white matrix]

its most likely titanis but its ugly yea

[bright veldt]

Eh it’s actually one of their best. The major flaw is the overbite.

[crude latch]

Ye the beak is kinda eh

[white matrix]

surprised they didnt do spinosaurus

[clever sable]

I wish they did sarcosuchus 😔

[heady thunder]

The advisors called it Kelenken

[crude latch]

I think there Cameroceras is pretty good looking as well

[white matrix]

thats weird because no smilodon species lived with kelenken

[bright veldt]

The one in the Sabertooth segment is Titanis, but there’s another terror bird scene later on that’s with Kelenken

[white matrix]

makes sense

[heady thunder]

Time travel I suppose

[heady thunder]

The huge squid thing? Yeah it was pretty dope

[white matrix]

paleozoic was probably the best era.

[crude latch]

Ye that was a great scene

Now what about that dunk

[exotic helm]

Life on our planet

[bright veldt]

Eh, the gorgonopsid and anomalocaris have issues

[crude latch]

The gorgon feels a bit to mammalian

[white matrix]

still, stuff like arthropleura was great

[heady thunder]

The dunk was pretty cool, wasnt an orb, but I hate orb dunk, so if it never ends up in a docu the better.

[bright veldt]

It is a little bit, but the teeth are also messed up. They didn’t have teeth at all behind the sabers.

[crude latch]

Mmmm

[clever sable]

It's an outdated depiction but I can excuse that as the model for it was probably already complete by the time it got shrunk

[crude latch]

Ye

[bright veldt]

The Arthropleura and lystrosaurus awakening after the apocalypse were my favorite scenes

[crude latch]

Is it weird that I’m sad that I can’t go to the beach and get murdered by a Cameroceras

[heady thunder]

A blue ringed octopus might be a nice middle point

[crude latch]

There’s just signs they say “ Beware Of The Cameroceras”

[steady rock]

how accurate is the uh, it starts with a e

[bright veldt]

Their shells are kinda of stuck upright so you’d see them from a mile away in shallow water

[steady rock]

eynriosuchus

[crude latch]

Is this Erythrosuchus?

[heady thunder]

What a violent goober

[bright veldt]

AFAIK it’s an unnamed earlier species

[heady thunder]

Yeah they didnt name the species

[crude latch]

Oh god imagine how scary that would be to see, Just a vast expanse of shell tips sticking out if the water, and on top of that there’s just a slight blanket of fog

[undone parcel]

i thought that was Phorusrachos

[still prairie]

What's an up to date recon of Cryolophosaurus? Size included too please

[steady rock]

how accurate is the new camarasaurus mod with 10 hides?

[still prairie]

So 8 or so metres?

[bright veldt]

Ye

[left yew]

Hi

[still prairie]

Nope.Its very fantasy esque

[steady rock]

oh.

[undone parcel]

the supremus sub is the only one based off a actual one

[bright veldt]

Pretty decent, although it’s probably oversized from what I’ve seen and wouldn’t have had the osteoderms.

[white matrix]

not probable def oversized

[light osprey]

Grrrr it’s the best Tyrannosaurus ever

Whoops I sent a Velociraptor image

[crude latch]

One of these is not like the others

[light osprey]

Nevermind that, look how not fat the Tyrannosaurus looks

[last forge]

How did M. aphanistus and M. alberdiae coexist?

[white matrix]

M. aphanistus was generally bigger and bulkier and was more active during dawn and dusk like most extant pantherines. M. alberdiae sizes are sort of confusing due to the lack post cranial material but its assumed to be smaller and did something similar to cheetahs where it was more active during the day to avoid competiton with M. aphanistus.

and also M. alberdiae most likely utilized areas with dense vegetation

[last forge]

wrong wrong and wrong

[white matrix]

Wdym wrong https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912963.2017.1402894 ?

[last forge]

U are lying

[light osprey]

Really just said Nuh uh to the person who answered his question

[white matrix]

My guy the paper says it right there, you can also check the abstract

[last forge]

what you said has nothing similar to paper

[white matrix]

Guh???

[last forge]

nothing of what you said rest assured similar to the paper

[white matrix]

????????

[crude latch]

Sopa is just trolling

[last forge]

im not what does he say is similar to whats in the paper LOL

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[last forge]

Ok you tell me than if I am lying

[last forge]

simplify i dont see how it correlates

[iron halo]

M. alberdiae is to cheetahs as M. aphanistus is to lions
I think

[light osprey]

I have a feeling it’s the same troll account on Ex Argilla

[west coral]

Added a few more fellas to the perfect vacation spot

[light osprey]

What’s this little faunal assemblage

[last forge]

are they sympatric

[iron halo]

Yes iirc
But also take anything I say with a grain of salt because idk much about any of this

[west coral]

Fellas from the Jurassic German archipelago

[light osprey]

Rad

[last forge]

how do we know this if we have very little material

[west coral]

So solnhofen, painten, suntel, mörnsheim and such

[iron halo]

k cya

[white matrix]

love the pterosaurian diversity

[light osprey]

Every 100 formations there’s always that one that’s just a giant Pterosaur assemblage

[west coral]

Everyone loves a good giant pterosaur assemblage

Especially with morphologically unique ones such as filter feeders, bug catchers and skimmers

[light osprey]

Unfortunately the best age of the Mesozoic only has one Pterosaur assemblage 😔

[steady rock]

what creatures are they?

[white matrix]

man I'm jealous of the amount of skeletals you can get for mesozoic taxa its near impossible to find skeletals for cenozoic taxa

[woeful falcon]

You see

Mesozoic animals are cool

[steady rock]

when you actually make a possible ecosystem roster
Herbi roster
Large
Mamenchisaurus - 10,000kg
Mid tier
Muttaburrasaurus - 3000kg
Chasmosaurus - 1200 kg
Polacanthus - 1000 kg
Small tiers
Gallimimus - 500kg
Pachycephalosaurus - 500kg
Oryctodromeus - i dont know, probably 100 pounds, its like, pitbull size

[west coral]

On the branch from left to right are the Painten pro pterodactyloid, diopecephalus, ostromia, anurognathus and bellubrunnus

[white matrix]

I can't like cenozoic taxa..?

[west coral]

Don’t fall for the bait

[white matrix]

true

[steady rock]

Carni roster
Large
Gorgosaurus - 3300 kg

Mid

Small
Utahraptor - 500kg probably
someone help with my possible carni roster

[woeful falcon]

New account made today.

[light osprey]

Must be a coincidence

[steady rock]

the megalania:

[white matrix]

💀

[west coral]

Pterosaurs on the ground are ardeadactylus, aurorazhdarcho, balaenognathus, ctenochasma, cycnorhamphus, “gallodactylus”, germanodactylus, gnathosaurus, petrodactyle, pterodactylus, rhamphorhynchus, and scaphognathus

[woeful falcon]

@bitter oasis we got someone insulting people and trolling paleo chat

[light osprey]

I’m fairly confident it’s the troll from the Ex Argilla server

[steady rock]

what did the ex argilla server do

[light osprey]

Ban him of course

[west coral]

The theropods left to right are suntel tyrannosauroid, suntel neovenatorids, suntel megalosaurid, suntel ceratosaurid, alcmonavis, sciurumimus, archaeopteryx, compsognathus and juravenator

[bitter oasis]

@last forge Please be respectful and don't provoke other users. If we cannot be civil and respectful to one another, mutes will be handed out.

[last forge]

i apologize mods pls dont ban me i didnt mean any harm

[steady rock]

💀

[light osprey]

I laughed out loud

[steady rock]

the switch up is crazy'

[bitter oasis]

Thank you!

[west coral]

And finally the sauropods are europasaurus and suntel diplodocoid

[steady rock]

interesting, do you take suggestions?

[west coral]

Sure

[steady rock]

a small nodasaurid or maybe even a wild boar, like zuniceratops

[white matrix]

Mamenchis only 10t!? Man I missed something

[steady rock]

well, some species can get bigger

[west coral]

I don’t think there’s nodosaur or ceratopsian material from germany but I’ll check

[steady rock]

europosaurus is from germany?

[west coral]

Yes

[steady rock]

oh, i thought you were doing island fauana

[stiff osprey]

You meant to type 1300 kg for Muttaburrasaurus, not 300 right

[last forge]

how strong is mosasaurus bite

[west coral]

Most of the time I make charts of a certain time and place

[steady rock]

ooh, okay

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-smile-grin-devious-evil-scheming-gif-24073832

[steady rock]

well @sullen cairn gave me this chart, and it said 3 tons

i meant 3000kg

man i hate kg

[last forge]

metric > imperial

[steady rock]

whats that

[last forge]

how do you nt know

metric system and imperial system

[light osprey]

Damn Muttaburrasaurus is huge

[jagged trellis]

nah both suck, you gotta use washing machines per invasive species filled swamp

[steady rock]

we all saw that

[white matrix]

bros back at it 💀

[jagged trellis]

oh i thought we were being funny

[light osprey]

This ain’t even good trolling

[clever sable]

It's way better though

[steady rock]

if you wanna troll, you could atleast argue nanotyrannus is a valid genus

[white matrix]

true!

[light osprey]

Mildly freaky, but I like seeing articulated skeletons

[woeful falcon]

They are right tho metric > imperial here

[steady rock]

i cant believe muttaburrasaurus is 3000 kg

[light osprey]

That is one big Rhabdodontid

[west coral]

Rhabdodontids have an incredible size range and geographic range

[light osprey]

Man the Gondwanan Ornithopod fossil record sucks

[white matrix]

I used to be the same but i think people found me creepy after a bit.

[light osprey]

Lol

[boreal ore]

I feel discomfort

[white matrix]

Neanderthal hehe

[west coral]

not a thought inbetween those eyes

[steady rock]

he looks like the rock

[heady thunder]

Vin Diesel

[white matrix]

huh, apparently S. fatalis wasn't producing sounds similar to panthera but more in line with felinae, why am i learning this now.

[cloud bane]

no more roaring sabertooth cats

[white matrix]

It’s an august 2023 paper but man am I late, sadge day for all

[chilly knot]

my honest reaction

[cloud bane]

Question for people smarted then me, I've often heard it said that Carnotarus skull and horns are poorly adapted for head on headbutting, but I've been wondering for ages, is there any evidence to support giraffe style flank butting as a form of ritualised combat?

Like, whipping their heads sideways into each other. Any evidence this was possible?

[light osprey]

That might have been suggested by a paper already

[cloud bane]

just looked it up again, apparently it was

[light osprey]

Hey look at that

Found this PhP model, look how handsome he is

[crude latch]

Scrumptious

[still prairie]

He may not have got the woman,But he found a place in our hearts

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-motivation-gif-27476596

[west coral]

Anyone have a high quality version of hartmans rapetosaurus?

[white matrix]

Couldn’t find higher quality of Hartmanns but I guess there is brick as an option as well

[west coral]

oh yeah, forgot he made one

[crude latch]

Teeny guy

[west coral]

That fella is a juvenile

[white matrix]

Whoops

[light osprey]

Hartman has a Rapetosaurus?

[steady rock]

i need a sauropod but i dont know which, i can describe what i need from it tho

[compact leaf]

what do you need from it?

[steady rock]

okay sp like, a sauropod ranging from 5 - 8 tons and semi/decently fast

[light osprey]

I don’t know if that exists

[west coral]

Decently fast being how fast?

[sullen cairn]

limaysaurus is reasonably fast for a sauropod

[west coral]

Euhelopus might be a good bet, being around 6.2T and running at a speed of 29.9kmph

[light osprey]

How heavy is Panamericansaurus

[west coral]

12t

[light osprey]

Wut

[sullen cairn]

the mass of the united states

[keen forum]

the ref itself has a model its about 15tons for it also i seen that livy chat that is a bit oversized he's about 12m atm

[light osprey]

There is no way this guy is 12tonnes or Sauropods are just fat as hell

[sullen cairn]

..you... you mean a wikipedia size chart would have innaccurate sizes?

[light osprey]

PaleoNeolithic is usually fine tho

[sullen cairn]

i trust larramendi's estimates over holtz from over 15 years ago

[west coral]

don’t skin me, I’m just reading off what I have

[keen forum]

random did a edit of saichi and there is a fixed up lateral as well that gets you 15tons for the lad

[light osprey]

Too late

[west coral]

damn it, no more skin

[keen forum]

livyatan

has 2 recons the shorter one which is about 12m and the longer tail version at 14.66m

[sullen cairn]

also niebla should be larger here

[light osprey]

Didn’t you do that like literally 2 weeks ago

[steady rock]

YES

[sullen cairn]

keep up with the times old man

[light osprey]

Back in my day

[sullen cairn]

okay but like actually how did they get that thing to under 5m

[steady rock]

how much did limayasaurus weigh?

[west coral]

don’t debone me for this 7.5t

[light osprey]

I thought Limaysaurus was bigger, like a lot bigger

[west coral]

This is out of the blue, but are there any good silhouettes or skeletals of Struthiosaurus?

[sullen cairn]

there's this idk how good it si

[west coral]

it works for now

on to the rest of hateg

[light osprey]

Judging by that posture, no good

[white matrix]

just adjust it

[west coral]

frankenstien time

[sullen cairn]

this silhouette's 2.7m

[light osprey]

Much better

[white matrix]

Chubby dude

[steady rock]

any mid tier carnivore suggestions? Herbi roster
Large
Limayasaurus- 7,5000kg
Mid tier
Muttaburrasaurus - 300kg
Chasmosaurus - 1200 kg
Polacanthus - 1000 kg
Small tiers
Gallimimus - 500kg
Pachycephalosaurus - 500kg
Oryctodromeus - i dont know, probably 100 pounds, its like, pitbull size

Carni roster
Large
Gorgosaurus - 3300 kg

Mid

Small
Utahraptor - 500kg probably

[light osprey]

Rajasaurus

Around a tonne

[steady rock]

could you turn it into rajasaurus boots?

alright, 1 more thing

[light oxide]

So after seeing the Allosaurus model in Life on our Planet and the stories in the "documentary" . . .

What in the name of Big Al is this show? In my opinion, it had so much potential just thrown into the garbage and burned.

And want to know the kicker? It has been confirmed that the modeling team used the Jurassic World models to try and make the dinosaurs more accurate. I'm not making that up.

It explains why Allosaurus had those "armor plating" and why I thought the Triceratops looked VERY familiar.

And yet, ironically enough, the JW "Battle at Big Rock" Allosaurus model (which was confirmed to be the one the team used as a basis) looks more accurate than whatever abomination Life on our Planet's Allosaurus is.

Sorry for the rant. 😅

[white matrix]

Leshansaurus

[west coral]

mfw Balaur used to be some cool double sickle-clawed dromaeosaur and now it just looks like a giant turkey

[light oxide]

Image examples for to represent my point -- the one Allosaurus in the forest being Life on our Planet Allosaurus, and the Allosaurus in a white vacuum being JW "Battle at Big Rock" Allosaurus:

[crude latch]

LOOPs looks like a deformed prosauropod

[light osprey]

This is better

[west coral]

I can’t tell if hateg is going good or bad right now since somehow rhabdodon is slightly larger than magyarosaurus

[storm heron]

iirc it may be the opposite: Carnotaurus actually had some adaptations that suggested it would have done some form of headbutting (Adaptions such as a thickened skull roof, strong neck, rigid vetrebrael column). These adaptions also help in hunting too.

[light osprey]

Making a scale chart?

[sullen cairn]

mfw that entire bary/neo discussion last week was pointless because bary might not have even live with neo

[west coral]

made*

[light osprey]

Isn’t there already one of these

[west coral]

yeah but new and improved with transylvanosaurus I guess

[light osprey]

From Knuppe

Some interesting scaling going on up there

[white matrix]

in knuppes or pugs?

[light osprey]

Both

[white matrix]

oh yeah lmao the scaling seems to be different/odd

[west coral]

Maybe it’s a little off since knuppes has some floating

[crude latch]

Pugs Hatzeg looks a bit funky

[light osprey]

The Balaur and Gargantuavis are widely different in scaling

[west coral]

I used sergis hatzeg, which to my knowledge is still up to date

[white matrix]

yeah sergi has the best hatz recon currently

[crude latch]

Ah i see

It just looked a bit weird in my eyes for a sec

[junior dawn]

that one is a little outdated

nothing too important tho, just minor tweaks i made

[west coral]

Alright thanks sergi 👍

[crude latch]

Anybody got an accurate achillo size?

[bright veldt]

4.5 meters and 350 kg

[crude latch]

Sweet

What that look like compared with to the average man?

[light osprey]

Big head

[crude latch]

Big boi

[sullen cairn]

w/ the local tyrannosauroid

[light osprey]

50/50 cause he’s got charisma

[crude latch]

Who wins a fight >:}

[sullen cairn]

the one that's like 175% larger

[light osprey]

Achillobator 🆙

[crude latch]

I think Achillo could win

[sullen cairn]

achillo's like 250kg smaller

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[sullen cairn]

that's be like if a small cheetah was killed by something stupid like a caracal

[white matrix]

dont understimate caracals

[sullen cairn]

i don't think a caracal's killing a cheetah any time soon either

[white matrix]

ofc

[gaunt raven]

Caracals have killed cheetahs though

[sullen cairn]

when

[light osprey]

It came to him in a dream

[white matrix]

Trust me bro

[sand gyro]

Haven't been active for like a week hello everyone

[west coral]

if there’s like four of the buggers then maybe

but 1v1 achillobator is getting beat down

[crude latch]

Compy vs Sauroposeidon

[sand gyro]

Boring battle but sauroposeidon

[crude latch]

Nah compy fs

[sand gyro]

Since it was literally 21 feet in the air

[crude latch]

Ooh wait

Alamo vs Camara

[sand gyro]

Hm

Alamasaurus

It was literally one of the biggest saurapods*

.

[steady rock]

a better one would be torosaurus vs tarbosaurus

[light oxide]

Convergent evolution go brrrr:

Out of curiosity, what is the synapsid in the middle of Anteosaurus and Dimetrodon?

[crude latch]

Fs convergent evolution

[bright veldt]

Ivantosaurus. A titanosuchid.

[sand gyro]

Kinda true since dimetradon is technically older than spinosaurus
200m vs 90m

[light oxide]

Thanks!

[steady rock]

y'all this is for roster matchups
you think chasmosaurus could survie and defend itself from Gorgosaurus?

[sand gyro]

Indosuchus vs dahalokley

[sand gyro]

Abeli match up

[sullen cairn]

indo could probably just step on dahalokely

[jagged trellis]

gorgos like 2 tons and chasmo is 2 right( among other factors)? so prolly, even with the tyke trike horns

[steady rock]

Gorgosaurus - 3300 kg
Chasmosaurus - 1200 kg

[tough parcel]

Pretty sure they lived in the same formation(?) so I’d assume so

Maybe it’s Daspleto I’m thinking of, but Gorgo-Das, same thing

[steady rock]

so yea?

[sullen cairn]

they're both from dinosaur park

[steady rock]

table, get me a comparison between chasmosaurus and gorgo and i'll give you coaster to not get wet stains from cups

damn, ig he dosent want that coaster

[bright veldt]

Ceratopsids survived by fleeing and sheer numbers for the most part.

[sand gyro]

When you hear what an accruate dodo sounds like:

[sullen cairn]

non nom nom (this isn't even largest gorgo)

[steady rock]

oh.

[steady rock]

is there anyother better sized chasmosaurines

[sullen cairn]

there may or may not be larger chasmos out there but this matches gsp's length so its like probably fine

[bright veldt]

There's only, like, 6 ceratopsids over 5 meters and 1.5 tons

[steady rock]

what.

[tough parcel]

The mighty Centrosaurus

[sullen cairn]

sierra maybe?
i forgot if gat's is good imma check

[bright veldt]

Pentaceratops, Titanoceratops, Triceratops (and semi-dubious co), Eotriceratops, Torosaurus, Pachyrhinosaurus, and Sinoceratops

[steady rock]

thats crazy 😭

[sand gyro]

How tall is trex now?

Well newer studies?

[bright veldt]

like 4 meters?

[tough parcel]

50 feet tall, 10 feet long

[sullen cairn]

yeah sierra should work nicely

[steady rock]

how much did it weigh?

[sullen cairn]

titano and bravo are prolly overkill lmao

[steady rock]

i'll strick with sierra.

[sand gyro]

Table from briticanna I got 21 feet for trex

[sullen cairn]

that's a fantastic question and i need to do some math now

[steady rock]

im 👖 🇿

[sand gyro]

I cross the name

[steady rock]

oh my god

[sand gyro]

I like discord

[steady rock]

why are you singing a mlp song in a damn paleo chat
@stuck chasm i wanna report some spam

[sand gyro]

I just liked the song:(

[stuck chasm]

@sand gyro Please view pinned messages for appropriate paleo-chat topics. We recommend all off-topic conversations for paleo-chat be directed to DM's, the appropriate channel or another server entirely.

Thank you for the ping!

[steady rock]

glory now i feel bad

[sullen cairn]

sierra looks to be a bit over 3t

[sand gyro]

Table do you know the confirmed trex height today?

[sullen cairn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p_lGKK9LBcQ6ANPz-Sie7YdG8JFwPclPr94em3b_n34/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xGqh6JEciRucCX6BE21b2cunJgQCkvvZ_BBk-BG8UOU/edit#gid=1041136057
whatever the sheets say

[sand gyro]

Thank u 😄

[steady rock]

damn, i should probably get a bigger nodasaurid

[sullen cairn]

peloro's pretty big

[steady rock]

what?

[sullen cairn]

peloroplites

[sand gyro]

So 12 feet

[sullen cairn]

sounds right

[steady rock]

can you compare it to gorgo and tell me its WEIGHT

[sullen cairn]

also like 3t

[sand gyro]

Pbs sucks bru

[steady rock]

are my mid tiers are 3 tons. . . .

[sullen cairn]

because you wanted em to be bigger

[sand gyro]

I was right on it being 12 feet before ig

[steady rock]

no i just wanted them to be bigger then 1 ton and be able to defend against gorgo

[sullen cairn]

edmontonia's like 2t

[steady rock]

alright, i like edmonto

may you compare limayasaurus and muttuabarasaurus with gorgo?

[sand gyro]

Bopeltela being red: 🗿🍷🥂

[sullen cairn]

if i can find a muttu skeletal with a scalebar sure

[sand gyro]

Table how do u even get such good accurate sourced

[sullen cairn]

but i must eat food first

[sullen cairn]

Ancestral blood memory

[sand gyro]

Wait what

[tough parcel]

JW genetic memory plot…

[sand gyro]

But humans to dinosaurs aren't even close to the same era

[steady rock]

we're closer to trex then trex is too stego

[sullen cairn]

Why did nobody tell me random had a dahalokely skeletal

[tough parcel]

Had a what

[sullen cairn]

The other abelisaur from Madagascar

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/chalmers-simpsons-may-i-see-it-talking-gif-11870196

[west coral]

the fella

[tough parcel]

Lmao, tiny idiot

[sullen cairn]

tfw this thing is an objectively better taxon than thanos

[west coral]

hopefully thanos gets redescribed or lumped with something else

having thanos as a name is a crime in of itself

[sullen cairn]

Hopefully thanos burns in a fire

[tough parcel]

No :)

[sullen cairn]

Falcon likes bad taxa confirmed

[tough parcel]

I do! (I like Tyrannosaurus)

[sullen cairn]

Falcon likes generic taxa confirmed

I wish we had the koi emojis here

[steady rock]

is this a good mutta skeleal?

[sullen cairn]

It’s Hartman so prolly but I’d have to check

[tough parcel]

Why is it so crunchy (It’s Ashley Patch btw)

[sullen cairn]

(Why does patch look so much like Hartman) I’d check another server or something but I can’t spell muttaburasaurus

[tough parcel]

Skeletals all look the same, the only signature of a skeletal artist is the cute anime girl they use for a scale figure

[light osprey]

What’s this little abomination

[steady rock]

can i mkae you a scale figure

[west coral]

the other less important abelisaur from madagascar

[sullen cairn]

Falcon on his way to use 1.3m people so his size comps look bigger

[tough parcel]

True! (It works)

[steady rock]

table can i make you a scale template?

[sullen cairn]

Sure

[steady rock]

how do i do it

[tough parcel]

Bet (I am the best anime girl)

[light osprey]

Probably not cool and maastrichtian 💅

[steady rock]

how do i make a scale template?

[sullen cairn]

Like the person or the scale bar

[steady rock]

both

[sullen cairn]

Draw or copy paste a person and resize it to fit the scale bar

[steady rock]

what if the person is 6 foot

[sullen cairn]

Make them 2m the bigger than the scalebar

[steady rock]

What

[light osprey]

Lol

[west coral]

it’s turonian (yuck)

[steady rock]

sorry im slow

[sullen cairn]

if the scale bar is 100px then make the person 200px tall

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ultron-marvel-meme-yuck-ugh-gif-14739145

[sullen cairn]

so on so forth

[steady rock]

how do i make that in ibis paint

[west coral]

I can’t even name any fellas from the turonian

[sullen cairn]

i have no idea how ibis paint works

[steady rock]

ig i wont be making you one 😦

[steady rock]

can you show me where 6 foot would be

[light osprey]

And you’ll never need to

[sullen cairn]

red box is 6ft x 6ft

[steady rock]

ty

[crude latch]

Strange I’ve never heard of this red box before, Is it a new Genus of sorts?

[sullen cairn]

redboxodon redensis

[crude latch]

Interesting what time period?

[tough parcel]

Ur momma

[sullen cairn]

red stage of the redassic

[magic jacinth]

Anyone know if the life on our planet edmonto is paleo accurate? Im guessing each dino in that is different levels of accuracy to real life? It aint no prehistoric planet i know that

[crude latch]

Why am I only hearing of all these things now, What’s there diet?

[west coral]

red algae

[bright veldt]

LOOP has basically the whole spectrum

[crude latch]

A filter feeder then?

[stiff osprey]

Y'all are dumb that box is clearly the related redboxodon orangeii

[bright veldt]

Arthropleura is basically perfect, the gorgonopsid is alright with some notable issues, and then there’s the allosaurus. Enough said on that front.

[sullen cairn]

orangeii isn't even diagnostic

[light osprey]

I laughed. Oh why did I laugh at this