paleontology

[clever sable]

Chalawans skull is 1.1 meters iirc

[west coral]

off topic but big chew

[sullen cairn]

this seems more than 1.22m

[clever sable]

Yeah, it might actually be 1.3

[steady rock]

i killed table with to many skeletals

you could say it was the BONE that broke the camels back, eh? eh?

[sullen cairn]

and sarco's 1.6m?

[clever sable]

Yeah

[sullen cairn]

so 6.9m with random's skeletal

[clever sable]

Sounds good, that would probably be around 1500 KG or something, idk though that's just a random guess

[sullen cairn]

yeah 1500kg scaling with random's weight

[tough parcel]

Lmao, itty bitty baby

[steady rock]

gualicho your free from the size chart dungeon

[steady rock]

but you trade places with table

[tough parcel]

A truly noble sacrifice

[white matrix]

Could we think Smilodon could have likely climbed (not commonly) at least once a while? I mean we know they had really strong flexible forearms and most big cats (lions and tigers) do climb sometimes but not usually ofc

[steady rock]

i think i already klilled table

[light osprey]

Brilliant

[white matrix]

Joschua never misses with his Hyainailourinaes, Hyainailourine in picture is megistotherium

[stiff osprey]

how the heck is he lifting that

[white matrix]

good question

[stiff osprey]

Mebuiltotherium

[sullen cairn]

@steady rock

[compact leaf]

there’s two more just out of frame

[stiff osprey]

Megisto's one of my favorite extinct mammals, just a mammal trying to be T.rex

[sullen cairn]

how do we know it wasn't rex trying to be megistotherium

[stiff osprey]

it wasn't, i asked

[white matrix]

and than we have the synapsid Anteosaurus also trying to be T.rex (they're all jealous)

[tough parcel]

Random has tea and sandwiches with T.rex every Saturday

[sullen cairn]

......

don't ya mean tea rex

[white matrix]

british rex

[tough parcel]

A terrible fate

[white matrix]

bro wants to be rex so bad

[tough parcel]

Not bad enough, dude completely forgot the “small arms” memo

[sullen cairn]

non nom

[white matrix]

hes trying look at his sad face

[west coral]

he probably gets bullied by asfalto

[lavish frigate]

Woah woah chill he’s saving up for bipedalism first

[white matrix]

Hyainailourinaes are just beasts and you can't tell me otherwise, Simbakubwa mandible compared to a lion mandible

[white matrix]

What is this paper from the original paper has yang at 100cm?

[steady rock]

guys i need assistance

is theri mostly a omnivore or mostly a herbivore?

[tough parcel]

It’s an herbivore, there’s no quirky nuances or anything about it

[steady rock]

oh okay

and galli?

[tough parcel]

Also an herbivore

[steady rock]

oh

[west coral]

If your looking for an omnivore, maybe go with some sort of oviraptorosaur?

[bright veldt]

Still herbivore (in the traditional sense anyway, oviraptorosaurs and ornithomimids weren't hunting anything)

[sullen cairn]

troodontids could work

And duck too but I doubt that’s what you’re looking for

[west coral]

I mean as in ovivores, insectivores, frugivores, durophages and such

[light osprey]

Huh, do we know of any non-avian frugivore dinosaurs?

[steady rock]

@sullen cairn alright, i figured it out

[white matrix]

Can I dm u rq (already did)

[steady rock]

how much does gigantoraptor weigh?

[bright veldt]

2.5 tons

[steady rock]

damn, due to its height i thought it'd weigh more

[nova heart]

Hollow bones

[steady rock]

how much does deinocherius weigh?

[bright veldt]

8.5 tons

[steady rock]

i cant use tons no more, they said i gotta use kg

[nova heart]

Google tons -> kg

[tough parcel]

Literally just 8500kgs

[light oxide]

1000 kg -> 1 ton, and visa versa

[steady rock]

table made it seem harder

[tough parcel]

If you’re good at counting by 100, you should be fine

[steady rock]

um

[sullen cairn]

i said don't 1:1 convert kg to lb because that's not how math works

[steady rock]

oh

[steady rock]

alright, i got my omnivore roster ready

[white matrix]

Imperial << Metric

[steady rock]

also, are these good skeletals?

[sullen cairn]

there's also the 3.2t cf. gigantoraptor dentary

[steady rock]

what

[sullen cairn]

use hartman for caudipteryx

[steady rock]

ty

[west coral]

there is a jawbone that might belong to gigantoraptor, and if so, would make that specimen 3.2T

[steady rock]

i wonder how big they'll be compared to eachother

[sullen cairn]

prolly the same size

[steady rock]

no i mean deinocherius, gigantoraptor and caudi

[sullen cairn]

big less big tiny

[steady rock]

im trying to indirectly ask you if you could do a size chart of them

[west coral]

Deinoch and Gigantoraptor would be around the same size, caudi would barely be a pixel

[steady rock]

it amazes me a 2500 animal and a 8500 animal are the same size height wise

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[west coral]

i mean, you probably just could have asked

[light osprey]

demand*

[steady rock]

yup but i dont wanna sound like im applying force

[sullen cairn]

gigantoraptor is also freakishly fast at something stupid like nearly 50km/h

[tough parcel]

Please use punctuation otherwise I’ll have to send you to Detroit

[light osprey]

Give me size chart

[sullen cairn]

you can't rush art

[steady rock]

table, give me a size chart of a deinocherius, gigantoraptor and caudi or i will not give you a meal today

[light osprey]

He’s not asking

[steady rock]

pronto it didnt work, im hugging you to death

[white matrix]

Let Table cook

[steady rock]

no, you put your cooking on a table

[light osprey]

Random size comp 🥱, I wanna see a Udurchukan size chart from Table (not for freakishly big Tyrannosaur, just make it 10 metres like a reasonable human)

[west coral]

wshwshwsh magic noises

[steady rock]

wth is that

[west coral]

I didn’t read the last part my bad

[stiff osprey]

The almighty finger

[white matrix]

sauropod getting dwarfed by hadrosaurs

[steady rock]

that has already happened in the past

[light osprey]

Erm Troodontid, Dromaeosaurid, sauronitholestine, Nodosaurid, etc etc left the chat

[white matrix]

Paravians 😔

[west coral]

they never existed in the first place

[steady rock]

is olorititan in the asian part of russia

[sullen cairn]

i already did this weird juvie tarbo/rex mismash for udurchukan in accordance with the difference between the metacarpal and that allegedly mislabled juvie tarbo

i had to mess with the wrist to make it actually fit and not look stupid but theoretically the numbers make sense (well as much sense as they can with the crap we're working with)

there's probably a tarbo skull regression i could've worked out for the lancinator base but i don't care enough to try

[steady rock]

erm actually 🤓 👆

[light osprey]

Right under the Khinghan Mtns (if they even existed in the Maastrichtian)

[west coral]

I never liked this thing, what purpose besides bottlecan opening does such dentition have

[steady rock]

why you a hater on a small guy having BUCK TEETH

[light osprey]

He really said 🤓

[steady rock]

table, pronto is about to explode in 5 minutes if he dosent get the size chart

[light osprey]

Pretty much

[steady rock]

and i'll sell his organs once he explodes

[light osprey]

And that wouldn’t be good wouldn’t it

[steady rock]

well it would be good for me

[west coral]

brick is in the middle of cooking up big, less big and small, give him some time

[white matrix]

Putting Hartmanns stuff in neutral must be fun

[steady rock]

damn, cherius didnt exist ig

[tough parcel]

Yeap, good thing he didn’t do that

[sullen cairn]

thats just from the gdi because i'm lazy

this is in boring walking pose

[steady rock]

why is gigantoraptor so tall?

[west coral]

oviraptorosaur build coupled with gigantism

[steady rock]

and it could run 50 km/h?

[sullen cairn]

iirc 45km/h or something like that

[steady rock]

what is that comparable too?

[light osprey]

Me

[sullen cairn]

bit slower than a giraffe

[steady rock]

god damn

@sullen cairn can you compare deinocherius and the croc? because im pretty deinocherius will be eating croc for breakfeast lunch and dinner

[light osprey]

Which croc, cause that ain’t Paralligator

[sullen cairn]

chalawan

[light osprey]

Neat stuff

[clever sable]

Somehow I don't think you scaled that correctly but idk, did you use the 9.5 meter estimate or the 9 meter estimate for sarco?

[sullen cairn]

9m

[tough parcel]

It’s not Sarco, it’s Chalawan ☝️🤓

[sullen cairn]

the one you sent was 9m too

[clever sable]

Ah ok

[nocturne gazelle]

Oviraptorids are so cool

They were likely omnivores right?

[white matrix]

Ye

[nocturne gazelle]

So were ornithomimids?

[light osprey]

I’m almost certain this was just discussed

[nocturne gazelle]

Oh I see, it was just above where I stopped scrolling

[sullen cairn]

bayan shireh cf. gigantoraptor explaining why it needs to be 5x larger than the next largest theropod in its environment

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

[nocturne gazelle]

Well you see... it's a fan of bigbird

[stiff osprey]

I was about to point out the cf.gigantoraptor jaw scaling is stupid but then remembered the gigantoraptor holotype is a subadult anyway

[sullen cairn]

this is fine

[light osprey]

Overcompensation

[torn sluice]

What would yall say were the fiercest Plesiosaurs?

[sullen cairn]

iofryy's skeletal's mandible seems weirdly big

that thing's like 60cm

[steady rock]

does anyone know sinoceratops weight?

[sullen cairn]

disturbingly large

[steady rock]

why, what

hello? ToT

[sullen cairn]

scaling with gat's length is like 6t for the paratype

[steady rock]

damn it was fat

[sullen cairn]

which is distressingly large for a centrosaurine

[steady rock]

how is it distressing?

[sullen cairn]

the only thing remotely close to that is 5t drumheller pachy

[steady rock]

damn, why was sino so fat and large?

[sullen cairn]

it lived with two tyrannosaurids and shangt but even then you don't see the NA centrosaurines get nearly that big under similar circumstances

[steady rock]

didnt centro live with dasp and alberto and giga para?

well, maybe there wsa no other herbivore that competed with it

[sullen cairn]

centro sty chasmo and a few others all lived with gorgo and das

[steady rock]

yeah and did another herbivores live with sino besides shant?

[sullen cairn]

meanwhile sino was the only ceratopsid in asia

xingezhuang's only large herbivores were shangt and sino afaik

[steady rock]

yeah so nothing was competeting with it

can you compare it in size with tarbo and zhu? because was it like, short and stubby

[bright veldt]

5 tons

[steady rock]

but table just said 6

[bright veldt]

He's probably right then

[steady rock]

all i know was that it was fat

[sullen cairn]

this is sino with an 11.2m suecheng

[steady rock]

GOD DAMN, SINOCERATOPS IS MASSIVE

[sullen cairn]

why is gat's paratype nearly 8m axial length

the holotype's a lot less obscenely massive

[steady rock]

its still a pretty decent size

[sullen cairn]

yeah holotype's still like 4t

[steady rock]

oh.

[sullen cairn]

also worth mentioning i'm trying to lowball axial length here because i don't like how big this thing's looking

[steady rock]

oh, um, well to clear your mind of stranger danger sinoceratops, how big was big shuno?

[sullen cairn]

there's a funny second species nobody cares about thats big

[steady rock]

yeah, thats the one im talking

[sullen cairn]

iirc ~10t

which is huge next to lii

although larramendi considers it yuanmousaurus not shuno which is odd

[steady rock]

what

why?

[sullen cairn]

working on figuring that out

[sullen cairn]

so ian believes shunosaurus jiangyiensis is the same as shunosaurus ziliujingensis, and neither is yuanmousaurus jiangyiensis

but shunosaurus ziliujingensis seems to explicitly have teeth preserved(?), while shunosaurus jiangyiensis was never stated to have any cranial material, but the description still claims lufengosaurus and yimenosaurus have smaller skulls (than shunosaurus jiangyiensis' seemingly non-existant skull)

shunosaurus jiangyiensis and yuanmousaurus jiangyiensis are both from jiangyi, but apparently one's shaximo formaton and the other zhenghe formation (which i can barely find any references to in literature)
the two also seem to generally have the same bones described but with differing number of verts

yuanmousaurus also having some little fragments not mentioned in shunosaurus' description too

[sullen cairn]

oh wait my brain just clicked

sinoceratops got so big because it lived alongside tyrannosaurini, and because tyrannosaurini were so powerful and destructive sympatric ceratopsians were forced to grow massive or die terribly
hence why lancian triceratopsini got so large as well

[pearl briar]

does anyone still remember Eoraptor?

[ruby patio]

250 million years later, i do not

[kind zodiac]

yes, i do

[west coral]

i know this is out of the blue, but ZTT aswell

[sullen cairn]

tfw ceratopsians are over half the size of the local sauropod and the hadrosaurs are 50% larger

also who let larramendi cook

[ruby patio]

LET HIM COOK

[stiff osprey]

Bro what

8 meter sauropod with >1 meter humerus

[snow python]

How big was Suchomimus after all, 12,4m and 5.2tons? I'm in an argument with a friend

[stiff osprey]

12.4 is a bit much but 5 tons is correct, like 12-12.3m is defendable

[snow python]

And was it fully grown?

[stiff osprey]

we dunno, there is no histology study on it

It is an adult though, in the sense of old enough to reproduce

[tough parcel]

There was an off-hand comment from Sereno in some interview apparently that it could grow a teensy bit more

But that’s just a theory

A game theory

[stiff osprey]

Fun fact: if you use the largest Suchomimus and the smallest T.rex you can replicate the size difference between Rudy and Momma from Ice Age

[snow python]

Never thought about that

[tough parcel]

I think Chomper’s a bit smaller than that

[stiff osprey]

Chomper's a Nanotyrannus, silly

I meant adult

[tough parcel]

Truuuue

And fair, who’s the smallest adult?

[stiff osprey]

B-rex is the smallest at around 10.5m iirc

[tough parcel]

Baby

[light osprey]

Just a lil guy

[tough parcel]

Erm actually, B-rex is a girl ☝️🤓

[light osprey]

Oh, neat

[snow python]

Is Sucho the 2nd largest spinosaurid now that Oxalaia was downsized to 10m?

[light osprey]

how are you gonna downsize Oxalaia, there is literally nothing to downsize

[snow python]

I read something idk where that the 12-14m estimation was exaggerated. That document was before the specimen was destroyed. But yeah, until we find something is just like Bahariasaurus

[flat pond]

Gorgosaurus skeletal

Also a very underrated nodosaur in the form of Gargoyleosaurus.

[lavish frigate]

Too bad gorgo no longer exists apparently 😔

[white matrix]

Ecologically speaking, Would Homotherium serum and Homotherium latidens have different niches? I know they we're both pretty cursorial but for latidens in this case the shape of its wrist bone it is similar to a cheetah, which it'd probably use its wrist bones the same way' as cheetahs would, and we also know they're not as sharp or curved as other big cats, so would H. latidens diverge into the more cheetah niche compared to its counterpart?

But than again, its overall body shape, wasn't built for super fast sprints like a cheetah, which has got me confused.

[woeful falcon]

This is the second time I've seen this now, where does it come from

I mean, outside of some scientists believing Gorgo to be a species of Alberto, which has been a thing for years

Not to mention according to the recent svp abstracts, Gorgo is due to get another species

[sullen cairn]

i'm calling it gorgosaurus infradinosaurparkensis until further notice

[dry dove]

I've come to talk about dinosaurs

[light osprey]

Damn three Albertosaurus species what a time we live in (I jest)

[woeful falcon]

Grrr

I mean, naturally that is an outcome for those who lump Gorgosaurus into Albertosaurus haha

[sullen cairn]

watch prince creek tyrannosaur material be assigned to cf. albertosaurus

[magic monolith]

what does cf mean

[white matrix]

"cf." is an abbreviation for the Latin word "confer," which is typically used to indicate a similarity between a fossil specimen and a known species but with some uncertainty or doubt. "

[magic monolith]

what does gdi stand for

[white matrix]

Graphic Double Integration

[magic monolith]

alr ty

[hoary jay]

Can I ask a question somewhat related to paleo but also about a hybrid for modding here? I wanna see if the anatomy of my raptor hybrid makes sense

[white matrix]

you could probably try

[hoary jay]

Does that mena I have a 50/50 chance of being yelled at?

[tough parcel]

Go ahead, afaik the mods should be ok with it because it pertains to real dinosaur anatomy

[hoary jay]

well, first we got the Nactil. An axolotl raptor hybrid. Someone said it’s neck might be too stiff.

And then there’s the butterfly raptor hyrbid,

Their meant to be scientific creations, so I would like them to be accurate

[tough parcel]

I mean, the neck looks fineeee? It’s got that standard S curve that you see in longer necked birds

The torso feels too mammalian/cat-like imo though (punches at the waist instead of being a smooth, round shape)

[hoary jay]

Which one? Nactil?

[tough parcel]

Both of them

[hoary jay]

What do raptors normally look like?

[tough parcel]

In felines, you see the chest being deeper than the rest of the torso while in raptors (theropods in general) it’s a rounded shape

[hoary jay]

So the spine bit?

Sorry I’m confused lol, the spine bit, neck bit, or the pelvis bit?

[tough parcel]

The bottom of the torso, the stomach area

[hoary jay]

So it should hav the lowest point at its belly?

[tough parcel]

The pelvis should be the lowest point, but it should be a slow gradient from the chest to pelvis

[hoary jay]

Thank you! I’ll see about getting that changed. Maybe or soemthing. Prob won’t be able to change Nactil bc it’s pretty far in. But the butterfly can prob be changed

[tough parcel]

Fair! Also the spine seems very bendy, again, very feline-like

If you look at my Dromaeosaurus, you can see it’s fairly rigid

The model of the Nactil seems fine, but the concept art is weird

[hoary jay]

Really? I have no idea what that means. If you were to change the butterfly what would you change

[hoary jay]

Oh that’s good, rogue does do a great job lol

[tough parcel]

You see how the back makes an S shape? Where the chest dips down sharply from the hips? Theropods don’t do that, their bodies are very rigid

[hoary jay]

So it should be on the other side?

Like a graph going down?

[hoary jay]

So maybe more so like this?

[tough parcel]

This might be of service as it has a similar pose

[hoary jay]

Problem is I cnat see under the wings

[tough parcel]

I know, I was worried about that

I have a non-winged version, but I lost my PC tower while wrestling a Sasquatch, so I cannot access it

[hoary jay]

Damn, did you win atleast?

[tough parcel]

Oh yea 100%, he was crying uncle by the time I was done

But also, I just remembered skeletals exist, does this help?

[hoary jay]

I think it should, my concept artist might get mad I’m changing his designs, but I want the mod to be the best it can be. Bc rn everyone keeps calling them dragons

[elfin pulsar]

Is the butterfly one not a dragon?

[hoary jay]

No, a miscommunication between me and Wolfie, I accidentally said it was ok to be mroe dragon like

[tough parcel]

Yea honestly, I thought they were dragons, sorry

[elfin pulsar]

Oh

[hoary jay]

Yea I know, which is why I wanna make it more raptor like

[tough parcel]

I would offer to help design them again, but as I said, I am incapacitated lol

[hoary jay]

Damn saquatch. Would lvoe your help lol

[tough parcel]

I’m aiming to get back on my feet by next month, so if you’re not on a super tight time crunch, maybe then

[hoary jay]

Would love to talk more, cna I pm you?

[tough parcel]

Totally, no need to ask! Well actually, asking is good because discord doesn’t notify me of message requests so I might not see it until we die of old age

[hoary jay]

Lol same, so I always ask

[tough parcel]

Yuh go ahead, if I don’t respond instantly, it’s cause I’m distracted

[outer tusk]

Best thing ever

[flat pond]

I’m curious cause you are a paleoartist but which skeletal for Gorgosaurus do you do?

Also why do people think that Gorgo is no longer a thing? I haven’t seen anything that says that yet.

[tranquil quartz]

I think a couple of scientists came up with the idea that Gorgo is just a species of Albertosaurus so thats where that idea stems from.
But Gorgo is due to be getting another species soon so the Gorgo is Alberto idea isn’t very supported.

[tough parcel]

Lol ty @outer tusk

Also @flat pond I’d probably use the left one 🤔 though there might be some changes needed if Albertosaurus gets them. There was a paper recently lumping Gorgosaurus into Albertosaurus, but afaik that’s what the researcher has always proclaimed, thus making me unsure to follow it or not

[flat pond]

Ill wait until there is proper evidence to go with the idea of Gorgo being Alberto.

@tough parcel Interesting.

[outer tusk]

bro you know I love you

i meant you're work

[tough parcel]

Lmao I gotcha

[outer tusk]

but no seriously love your work you've bene helpful in my journey

[tough parcel]

👍 I am always glad to help

[flat pond]

Yes, your paleo art is amazing

[woeful falcon]

Here's the most updated version of the skeletal on the left

[flat pond]

Interesting. Would that make this Gorgosaurus inaccurate then?

[woeful falcon]

And here's an older one but a different specimen

[sullen cairn]

obligatory reminder 1.093m gorgosaurus femur allegedly exists

[woeful falcon]

I believe that's based on GAT's (bottom one) which also incorporates elements from different specimens, but my trust for GAT's work is spotty

[flat pond]

Interesting.

[woeful falcon]

This is the one I stick to. But I also like to head swap with Ruth specimen because I like its skull lol

Course, I believe half of the skull is ruth's anyway, with the bottom jaw being holotype

[stiff osprey]

It's ironic that people prefer my Alberto skeletal over others's but not my Gorgo

[flat pond]

Oof

[stiff osprey]

Alberto's the one that's actually outdated lmao

[tough parcel]

Because other people’s Alberto look inbred and then someone dropped an anvil on their skull

[sullen cairn]

dan's gorgo doesn't look incapable of developed thought

[stiff osprey]

both those statements are true

I think Tosha's Albertosaurus is the best atm but its length relies completely on a photo of a wall mount, which is sus

[white matrix]

Is it the interpertation with Sharpes alberto skull

[flat pond]

Planning on getting the BotM Gorgosaurus sometime this year due to the gorgeous colors on it. That’s kind of why I was asking.

[sullen cairn]

we mustn't forget the objective best albertosaurine skeletal

[flat pond]

Plus love this artwork for it by Raul Ramos

[stiff osprey]

a

[white matrix]

how does beagliams hold up

[flat pond]

Oof, what happened to its face

[sullen cairn]

its acarut

exhaustively researched i'm sure

[flat pond]

That is accurate? The top jaw looks like it got pushed out

[stiff osprey]

number of tail vertebrae is too low imo, but the rest is better

[sullen cairn]

tosha's

[flat pond]

Oh that’s a bit of a nice one.

[stiff osprey]

They took my (old) Alberto skeletal and put the snout of a T.rex on it. Zero effort

[flat pond]

Oof

[sullen cairn]

i'm not quite sure of what any of the logic behind that was

[white matrix]

whats this stuff

[clever sable]

Don't you know silly, albertosaurus was actually an abelisaur, that whole tyrannosaur thing is outdated

[stiff osprey]

uncinate processes, cartilage extensions that breathing muscles attach to

[white matrix]

i see

[sullen cairn]

reverse indosuchus

[west coral]

the three horsemen of parasaurolophins only being known by skull fragments

adelolophus, angulomastacator and charonosaurus

[woeful falcon]

I paid for dan's I'm contractually obligated to prefer it lol

[white matrix]

was it expensive? i actually dont know dans comission prices

[compact leaf]

they did it because of the one alberto mod with a giant overbite

[white matrix]

DB alberto

[compact leaf]

or at least I hope they did it after seeing that, if they did it beforehand and the mod used it as reference I have some serious concerns

[woeful falcon]

I can't remember. I think I went for it when he was doing a price cut. His pricings were on his twitter and idk if commissions are still open

[stiff osprey]

ok this is entirely fair

I will update my Alberto. Some day. when i'm not months late on my real work

[white matrix]

paleo chat died

[lavish frigate]

This hurts

[sullen cairn]

paleo chat always dies at a moments notice

[clever sable]

I would pay for Dan folkes to make a sarcosuchus skeletal or something but I'm not that desperate for a sarco skeletal

[clever sable]

I will revive it with talk of sarcosuchus

[heady thunder]

Ngl, fun chase scene.

https://youtu.be/J4ydTuem8Ls?si=jz4HZXlLujK5aFhW

[jagged trellis]

the whole is physically not able to face the adult part is....off to say the least( would've just used fear for the wording), but otherwise p good on the chase part itself

[bright veldt]

Eh, the fact that the trike knew backup wasn’t far away made it running away more believable. What Id rather not ignore is that style of trex hunting being like 15+ years old at this point

[jagged trellis]

...which is my point on the fear part, they just worded it to make it out where a lone trike would lose consistently against a lone rex

[bright veldt]

The galloping is also, yeah

[heady thunder]

Has the style ever been disproven? Can it ever be for that matter, not like we know how rex hunted

[tough parcel]

It hasn’t

[bright veldt]

It’s not outright wrong, but it’s definitely not really something that’s in favor anymore. It’s an outdated idea.

[tough parcel]

There is evidence hinting at a different idea, but nothing has been strung together nor has it been debunked

[heady thunder]

So then its fine, just cos it aint new doesnt make it a bad choice

[tough parcel]

Like, the only evidence I can think of against T.rex hunting with juveniles is no Rex bonebeds (despite smaller tyrannosaurs having them) and maybe Dueling Dinosaurs showing that an adult was not present

[bright veldt]

I mean when it’s something that’s been seen across like 10 other docs I think there’s room to be cynical. Then again, the whole documentary so far feels like something that should’ve came out like 10 years ago.

[clever sable]

It's serviceable, the hunts not amazing, it's not bad, 5/10 very mediocre imo

[tough parcel]

Wdym? I think it’s a cool strategy + it’s been shown twice afaik (Amazing Dinoworld prototype documentary and When Dinosaurs Roamed America)

[heady thunder]

Yeah it shows off Rexes niche partitioning very well

[bright veldt]

And dinosaur planet, there’s also a plethora of lower budgets obscure docs that showed similar stuff. It’s been something that’s been shoved into my noggin constantly in the 2000s

[clever sable]

From what I've seen it feels like a weird combination of WWD and planet dinosaur with a small piece of prehistoric planet

(WWD the movie, not the documentary)

[tough parcel]

Oh, you’re counting tyrannosaurs in general? Cause that’s a Daspleto (in both documentaries of the similar name)

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosaurs really. It’s not a sentiment unique to trex.

[clever sable]

I have an unnatural love for planet dinosaur

[heady thunder]

Planet Dino was cool

[bright veldt]

Planet dinosaur showed off the same thing as well yeah

[clever sable]

I just love it because sarcosuchus

[tough parcel]

Tyrannosaurs (in general) have been proven to hunt in multi-age packs, so I don’t see it being a sin

The only sin I can see is Tyrannosaurus proper having a pack hunt when, as I’ve said, there are no (well-described) bonebeds to back it up

[west coral]

Planet dinosaur and Dinosaur revolution carried dinosaur media after the walking with series finished

[clever sable]

But overall it seems very similar to planet dinosaur just without shrinkwrapped models

[bright veldt]

Fair, but again, it just feels like something already seen a million times before.

[clever sable]

Along with the titanaboa documentary but that's not dinosaur technically

[tough parcel]

Sure, tbh…I’d much prefer a throwdown showdown between an adult Trike and rex, gimme a real battle that did happen

None of that “Oh boo-hoo, rex would give up upon being faced with the horns” when we know for a fact that just isn’t true

[bright veldt]

A serious trike - rex fight hasn’t happened since….what? Jurassic Park the Game in 2011?

[clever sable]

My favorite dinosaur documentaries are WWD, chased by dinosaurs and PHP

[tough parcel]

Yea, exactly, a serious battle between the two just hasn’t happened in popular media

[heady thunder]

These guys almost had it, but the trike had to run away smh, couldnt die for the shot, Spielberg must have fired jim

[clever sable]

Really? I swear there has been one........ I think? Maybe not, yeah I can't think of one

[tough parcel]

Real

[sullen cairn]

why don't the buffalo just turn around and gore the lion? don't they know they are hyper-aggressive bloodthristy herbivores? Are they stupid?

[bright veldt]

Did you completely miss the point were making or just pulling our legs?

[tough parcel]

You jest, but there is evidence of Trike fighting rex so erm, you’re invalid

[heady thunder]

Cmon, look at that face, the buffalo is very stupid

[white matrix]

i think hes just making an innocent joke

[sullen cairn]

that was mostly in response to falcon here

[tough parcel]

Your opinion differs from mine, you are bad

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[bright veldt]

???? What’s wrong with asking for that to be a thing when we know it happened? Especially when triceratopsines were a lot more defensive than their earlier contemporaries.

[tough parcel]

Anyways, your post doesn’t apply still because most people have the predator giving up, not the prey

[sullen cairn]

can someone catch me up with what we're arguing about now

[heady thunder]

About nothing really

[white matrix]

yeah now I got confused, ofc there is no problem asking

[bright veldt]

We were just asking to see a trike vs rex fight for once. Not that the trike running was stupid.

[sullen cairn]

you will have clash of the dinosaurs and you will be happy

[bright veldt]

The trike knew backup wasn’t far away anyway.

[tough parcel]

Ohhh right, COTD had Trike v Rex…

[clever sable]

I feel like in response to the whole herbivores are free food trend that was around for a while, people have basically started saying that carnivores literally get killed the majority of the time by their most common prey items, this is especially bad when it comes to Tyrannosaurus

[sullen cairn]

and truth and killer dinos

[heady thunder]

They had both W anims, rex win and trike eye impale

[jagged trellis]

gonna be honest: yeah been a hot minute since a confrontation between those 2 has happened beyond off screen or a chase, would be nice to see a more desperate engagement since its been like what.....awhile and been a decent amount of more normal outgoings in media in general

[bright veldt]

It’s been 12 years

[jagged trellis]

is that the one with the pair of raptors attempting the sauropod in a spaced forest? its a blur for me seeing the last time i saw it was in a museum tour

[tough parcel]

Yes, it is

[bright veldt]

Ye. The deinonychus pair somehow bringing down a several ton subadult Sauroposeidon.

[jagged trellis]

ok yeah its that one then

[heady thunder]

They had the speed advantage, so they won, cos thats how it works obviously

[sullen cairn]

we also have this

[jagged trellis]

anyways i saw a 5/10 for the earlier speak peek chase, id say..a 5/10 as well, the chase itself is good, just worse end narrating despite the amazing voice and about average looks

[sullen cairn]

a rex chasing an edmonto herd unironically sounds pretty cinematic

prehistoric park also had a trike bumrush a rex

[bright veldt]

12. years.

[sullen cairn]

until titanovenator gets described time remains a fluid and subjective concept

there's also a few more recent ones like this

[heady thunder]

Perfect

[sly sundial]

Hey guys

I would like to know your thoughts about osteoderms on Spinosaurus

[sullen cairn]

as we all know spinosaurus' best modern day analogue is the crocodile so sure

[tough parcel]

Unlikely as no spinosaur preserves them/no theropod preserves them outside of Ceratosaurus

[sullen cairn]

and guess who's the other renowned semi-aquatic theropod?

[tough parcel]

Uhhh T.rex?

[sullen cairn]

that's right
ceratosaurus
who has osteoderms

[tough parcel]

The osteoderms formed keel-like structures in the back, making it faster in the water…

[sullen cairn]

checkmate atheists

[sly sundial]

bro like jokes

[sullen cairn]

so given the strong correlation between semiaquatic habits and osteoderms in non-coelurosaur theropods, it can be reasonably inferred spinosaurus had osteoderms

[west coral]

that’s an odd thing to imagine

[light oxide]

I remember that . . .

[light osprey]

Someone stop Table, he’s yapping smh

[sly sundial]

one more thing: What do you guys think about Spinosaurs and it's aquatic habits? Since the last (2022 I believe) paper about it defends that it was not an aquatic dinosaur (by Sereno and colleagues)

[white matrix]

we dont talk about spinosaurus ecology

[light osprey]

It lives in a floodplain so it must be aquatic. Checkmate Sereno

[stiff osprey]

can someone Ctrl+F the last time I mentioned Spinosaurus i don't want to have to type that again

[white matrix]

what does ctrl + f do again

[stiff osprey]

word search

[white matrix]

last time you mentioned it was this:

[light osprey]

Well that’s no help

[stiff osprey]

Lmao
Good post, but doesn't answer the question

[light osprey]

Here, more helpful, kind of (?)

[light osprey]

Oh, thanks Table

[sly sundial]

lol

[light osprey]

Get Random to Yale 💯 🗣️

[sly sundial]

Is that Irritator?

[stiff osprey]

I'll just type it again. We have several teams working on Spino atm and all of them focus on the anatomical features that support their conclusion while downplaying others, so nobody's perfect. It is likely that it hunted from above the water like a wading bird, but since the legs are reduced compared to other (known wading) spinosaurids it must've been supplementing its diet some other way. It was probably wading, scavenging, hunting slower land prey, AND hunting underwater, but we don't know how much % of its diet was each of those things

[sullen cairn]

you guys may not understand it, but this image is saving ya'll from a terrible fate

[light osprey]

It all makes sense

[sullen cairn]

you know there was this phalange a few weeks back....

[white matrix]

Slowly turning into spinofaarus…..

[stiff osprey]

Even if it was hunting mostly out of water, it clearly spent most of its time in water. Think of it like hippos which actually eat almost entirely land plants but are always in the water if they can help it

[light osprey]

Randomdinos’ Spinosaurus kind of rad, L Ibrahim and Sereno Fr

[sly sundial]

Oh interesting. When you say ''we'' who are you talking about, exactly?

[stiff osprey]

We as in humanity, I'm not leading any institutions lol

[sullen cairn]

groundbreaking news: spinosaurus filled some intermediate gradient between fully aquatic and fully terrestrial

[sly sundial]

oh ok just making sure lol

[light osprey]

I like the idea that Spinosaurines are pretty good at munching on pterosaurs

[white matrix]

I think I probably lived with Spinosaurus, I saw what it was doing but you’ll have to pay me 500 dollars to know it’s secret ecology + 100 for what juvie Spinosaurs were doing

[sly sundial]

So the ''Spinosaurus, the only aquatic dinosaur, swimmer and blablabla'' thing is probably inappropriate?

[stiff osprey]

It's a better swimmer than any other theropod we know of, but not nearly as good as like, a shark or a mosasaur

[sullen cairn]

prepostorous

[sly sundial]

ok that makes more sense I think

about Suchomimus is almost certain that it wasn't a swimmer, right? I mean as the evidences we got about him (hollow bones and stuff)

[white matrix]

most likely a wader, could still swim

[sullen cairn]

speaking of sucho

[clever sable]

What I've gathered from all these papers is that spinosaurus was a bottom walker and was also an above average swimmer while it also probably dabbled in wading and possibly ambushed terrestrial prey

[junior dawn]

apparently spinos arms have some weird soft tissue around them

[west coral]

paddles

[junior dawn]

idk what this could mean

[white matrix]

hi sergi

[sullen cairn]

from what i can tell the resounding consensus seems to be spinosaurus was a benthic durophage

[clever sable]

The only thing I've consistently seen pop up is "spinosaurus almost certainly wasn't an aquatic pursuit predator" but that leaves room for a lot of speculation and possible ecology

[west coral]

I wonder if any dinosaurs were purely durophagus

[compact leaf]

it kept aquatic plant forests healthy so that the sauropods could eat them (obviously using their long necks to reach underwater from the shore)

that was sarcasm please nobody take that seriously

[white matrix]

instructions unclear, i took it seriously

[sly sundial]

yeah I realize you guys are really into jokes

[nocturne gazelle]

Spino forgetting it isn't a eafcutter ant

[sullen cairn]

Toni

[clever sable]

Definitely 100% real fr fr definitely

[stiff osprey]

toni 🙂

it's kind of uncomfortable to see a sauropod so small that brick's human takes up more image space than it

[west coral]

random, remember when you did toni?

[stiff osprey]

i did, and it looked way less cursed than that

he

[tough parcel]

Unfortunately, this is the most recent skeletal and thus yours is bad and outdated 👍

[stiff osprey]

I will take brick's skeletal, rotate the scapula, and then give it cartilage, thus making him outdated

[tough parcel]

Sobbing!

[stiff osprey]

actually I will not because i have actual work to do this week

[tough parcel]

Erm, putting real life work before digital dinosaurs?? Cringe!

[white matrix]

• Tony Stark, why won’t it let me quote that

[west coral]

little foot and whatever his parent was named

[stiff osprey]

big foot

you may think i'm joking but there is a brachiosaurus specimen nicknamed bigfoot

[west coral]

so littlefoot and bigfoot

[stiff osprey]

yes

(the canon Littlefoot's father was named Bron, i also know TLBT culture)

[west coral]

what about his mother

[stiff osprey]

never named in the show, neither were his grandparents (they even referred to themselves as grandma and grandpa)

[clever sable]

Wait..... Is this actually real

[white matrix]

No it’s fake trust

[north wadi]

Wasn’t littlefoot a bronto not brachi?

[bright veldt]

Neither. Apatosaurus.

[west coral]

I just called it that since it reminded me of the character

[steady rock]

@sullen cairn did you ever find out why that person thought mega shuno was yuanno?

[sullen cairn]

no idea sadly
although larramendi seemed to have a lot about shunosaurus ziliujingensis and I'd imagine he has people he can ask about the whole thing, so maybe that applies to jiangyiensis as well
but yeah idk

[steady rock]

galli weighed 1 ton, correct?

[stiff osprey]

half

[light osprey]

Fr?

Guess the Ornithomimid are leaner than I thought

[white matrix]

Lean meat on legs

[bright veldt]

500 kg is about average for a theropod of that size

[nocturne gazelle]

Still pretty big considering an ostrich is 130-350lbs. Ornithomimids were speed demons not really built for bulk.

Surprised it's not even lighter

[sullen cairn]

angulomasticator is kill

[storm heron]

What is this species of Parasaur, theres so many

[wispy summit]

Why does he look so silly?

[sullen cairn]

angulomasticator is its own genus

[storm heron]

Oh, haven't heard of it

[sullen cairn]

well it is a partial maxilla

had seen 10t+ estimates in its day though

[storm heron]

Oh, well, I mean what to expect when scaling from a partial fragment

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[rose gate]

Man.. Brachio grew it's arms and neck longer when adult huh.
Probably the niche exchange (from low browser to high browser)

[west coral]

the local tyrannosaur now stands a chance against it instead of having a 12m 10t sauropod mimic

[sullen cairn]

it was so nice of us to absolutely gut some poor hadrosaur for the convenience of texan nanotyrannus

[west coral]

absolutely

At 10t it is around the same size as pretty much every saltasaurid, but halved it would be bigger than arguably half

[sick drift]

whats up. any new mod updates ? 🦜

[flat pond]

Wrong chat for that

[silver canopy]

Is There Any Evidence For Monolophosaurus Having Feathers?

And Is There Any Evidence For It.. Not Having Feathers

[stiff osprey]

No either way

[silver canopy]

So Its Possible It Did Have Feathers?

[white matrix]

So its possible it either was naked or fluffy

[silver canopy]

Why Does How Tall Mono Is Change So Much..?

It's Length Seems To Stay The Same

But Its Height Is Confusing

Can Sombody Give Me A Fairly Acurate Size Ref For Mono?

[stiff osprey]

I know Falcon made one but I cannot find it so there's this

as you can see, the height varies because Mono has no legs

[silver canopy]

Ah.

That Will Certainly Change Ones Height

[light osprey]

M. jiangi is a basal Tetanuran, so you’d be more reasonable to assume so.

[silver canopy]

Yesss

This Paleo Pines Mono Is Coming Together..

Hmm.. Could Monos Spine Support The Weight Of A Human. . . ?
(Joke)

[bronze storm]

Is there a full one

[silver canopy]

No.

[hoary jay]

What happened to Spino? Did it change again?

[sullen cairn]

newest skeletal has a few new caudals and a tad more limb cartilage but besides that business as usual

[hoary jay]

Wait wait, what? What does that add to it? Flippers?

Like a whales hands?

[sullen cairn]

just means there's more tissue between joints

[hoary jay]

Awww, that’s boring. But super cool

Why would it need that much between them?

[hoary jay]

What’s with this guys hands?

[sullen cairn]

because archosaurs have a good bit of limb cartilage

[hoary jay]

Oh cool, so fatter fingers? Or just a flipper thing

[sullen cairn]

flipper thing was something else entirely

[hoary jay]

Sorry I don’t know much anatomy terms, trying to learn more

[hoary jay]

Oh so it makes them bigger

[sullen cairn]

makes the limbs a bit longer yeah

[hoary jay]

So more height for the same bone length, might get a few extra inches to their height

Well mroe centimeter

[sullen cairn]

pretty much

[hoary jay]

Nice, boring, but nice

[sullen cairn]

ie random's skeletal vs brick's

[hoary jay]

Hm

What do y’all think of this as a raptor hand for a mod? It’s a hybrid so an extra finger for fun

Well we wnated it to be able to climb and carry things, but maybe the entra finger isn’t great

Idk it was 5 before, I cut one off Becuase it was too dragon like, but maybe another needs to be cut

[hoary jay]

And I guess those are eagle hands

Maybe we change it again?

[sullen cairn]

can't really tell from the angle was more just giving the reference

[hoary jay]

Ah ok, i hate looking at that photo though, it’s freaky.

[sullen cairn]

yeah musclature always looks kinda odd by itself

[hoary jay]

Muscles and bones just freak my out period, even feeling them

But would a raptor be able to climb with only 3 fingers? And would it be able to carry things like meat and whatnot?

[gaunt raven]

Many smaller dromaeosarus are theorized to have climbed and the majority of them only had 3 fingers so most likely but also idk

[hoary jay]

Do you think it could carry things without a 4th? We want it to use it’s hands rather than mouth to carry anything

[covert lintel]

archosaurs usually only have claws on the first three fingers of the hand, so if you wanna be particularly accurate, the fourth finger should be clawless.
and it should be fine at carrying stuff with three fingers. one-handed carrying could be a problem, but i think that'd go for anything lacking opposable thumbs.

[hoary jay]

Cool! And do you think those hands could lift its body weight? If it was alio sized?

[covert lintel]

honestly i think that's gonna depend on the size + build of the arm compared to the rest of the body
i'm assuming the arms aren't the only thing holding it up, usually? (like, it'll dig its hind claws into the tree/rocks/whatever, too?)

[hoary jay]

Oh yes, and it will be able to propel itself with something else too. So I should cut the 4th claw, and maybe have the others moved?

[covert lintel]

good to know, i think that makes it seems a lot more plausible
and yeah pretty much

[hoary jay]

Cool! I’ll talk to my modeler

[heady thunder]

Put a beer in its hand

[hoary jay]

No

[white matrix]

Wonder how dinofelis and australopithecus would've interacted, would it essentially just be leopard and baboon sized up a little?

[bright veldt]

Probably wasn’t much interaction tbh. The cats that were actually a threat to australopithecines were other sabertooth species and early leopards.

[white matrix]

ah so generally machairodonts and early leopards?

[bright veldt]

Yeah. I say other species cause dinofelis is a sabertooth/machairodont as well. We just know it stuck to mostly ungulates rather than having a broader diet.

[white matrix]

Last I heard dinofelis was a metailurine at least from a blogpost i read, but I guess most people just label them as sabertooths now.

[bright veldt]

Metailurines are a branch of machairodontinae

[white matrix]

right forgor

[sullen cairn]

lil guys

[white matrix]

That guy in the background has the funniest reaction to this situation

[clever sable]

Do you have a krytops?

[sullen cairn]

thats the lil'st guy

[clever sable]

Do you have one with just krytops? Krytops is such a silly fella, I love him, sadly he probably got eaten by sarco and sucho but it doesn't matter because krytops is awesome either way

[light osprey]

The obsession continues

[clever sable]

Krytops is hilarious

[clever sable]

Thanks

[sullen cairn]

also manu's kryptops skeletal is absolutely scuffed

[west coral]

Mexican fella

[sullen cairn]

tlato has a nice skull

[west coral]

Both interesting looking and well preserved

[lusty talon]

So i thought i might ask this here, what is currently the most accurate utah raptor “look”? Since I’m looking to possibly drawing one. Thanks!

[lusty talon]

Thank you!

[white matrix]

"How much keratin does your Kryptops need?"

"Yes"

[steady rock]

guys, im stuck on my asian herbivore roster

also, how much does theri weigh?

[jagged trellis]

if i recall 5-6.5 ton zone yeah?

[steady rock]

i thought it was fatter then that

[clever sable]

Shant, theri, tarchia, deinocheirus, Huabeisaurus

[steady rock]

i thought deino was a omnivore

[clever sable]

I'm pretty sure it was a herbivore

[steady rock]

but the fish 😦

[west coral]

Gannansaurus, Zhuchengtitan, Arkhavaria

[light osprey]

Arkhavaria lol

Definitely got to add Sinoceratops

[silver canopy]

Hear Me Out

[steady rock]

this is what i have so far
Herbivore’s 3/12
Apex 2/2
Shunosaurus jiangyiensis - sauropod - 12 tons
Therinosaurus - freddy kruger but herbivore - 6.8 tons
Mid
Sinoceratops - fat non water based waterbuffalo - 4 - 6 tons

small

[vocal breach]

When is the Asian water buffalo being added to the Mesozoic

[steady rock]

did you not read it?

[vocal breach]

No

[silver canopy]

Is It Out Of The Question Monolophosaurus May Have Hunted Some Fish?

They Have Long Inwards Facing Teeth, And The Area They Were Found In Shows Evidence That It Used To Be Some Kind Of Lakeshore Or Seashore?

Probably Not.

But Eh.

I Was Bored

[tough parcel]

All carnivores have backwards-facing teeth to an extent, the purpose is just as effective against terrestrial animals as a fish

Isn’t there only one Mono fossil in existence? I don’t think that’s enough to distinctly say it lived solely by water bodies

[silver canopy]

Also Apparently Guanlong Is A Monolophosaurus Relative..?

From What I've Heard Atleast

[tough parcel]

It’s not, the only thing they have in relation is that they’re both theropods with a nose ornament

[silver canopy]

Yeah No I Didn't But It Either

I Mean Same Formation And Silly Nose?

That's It?

[tough parcel]

Just a silly nose, Monolophosaurus is millions of years before Guanlong shows up

[storm heron]

The fall of a silly nose gives the rise of another silly nose.

[silver canopy]

Both Were Shishugou Formation As Far As I'm Aware

[light osprey]

One is Callovian, the other is Oxfordian

Here is your Guanlong for comparison. Just for funsies

[silver canopy]

Where The Heck Are My Sources Getting This Information?

Okay Sure Mention The Same Formation Or Area But Ignore The Dang TIME?

[silver canopy]

I Mean I Guess They Both Have Three Fingers

But That's Not Special At All

Alot Of Theropods Did.

._.

Also..

Dang Mono Is Ugly.

[white matrix]

Tyrannosaurids sobbing in the corner:

[tough parcel]

You shut your mouth, tyrannosaurids are beauty

[light osprey]

Tyrannosaurs >

[silver canopy]

Tyranosaurids Are.. Okay.

Allosaurids Better Tho

..Wait

Aren't Therizinosaurs.. Theropods?

ARE THEY THEROPOD PANDAS?

[tough parcel]

They are essentially

[silver canopy]

...You Have Failed Me Theri.

[tough parcel]

I mean…pandas aren’t that bad lol

[white matrix]

Pandas when people think they’re cuddly bears and wouldn’t rip you apart if given the chance

[woeful falcon]

Here's a nifty thing. Therizinosaurs are coelurosaurs, and so is Guanlong

But Monolopho isn't

[silver canopy]

Yeah But

They Pandas.
They Act So Niiiice And Cuuute

But The Rip You Appart Because You Vibe Incorrectly

[silver canopy]

So Guanlong.. Is Closer To THERI

Then

MONO?

[tough parcel]

Yarp, by a significant margin

[silver canopy]

What Da Haaaaill

Best Theropod Is Objectively Austroraptor.

[light osprey]

What would one’s niche be to be a Theropod Panda

[steady rock]

i need mid tier asian herbivores

[west coral]

Arkhavaria, tiny sauropod

[steady rock]

I ALREADY HAVE SHUNO

[restive mantle]

What are some cool uncommon largeish therapods

[west coral]

no no this is smaller

[restive mantle]

I have art block and need ideas

[steady rock]

and hows it suppose to defend itself?

[west coral]

fair point

[steady rock]

i want a hadrosaur and either a ankylosaurid or a prosauropod

[west coral]

Maybe meat potency or something?

[steady rock]

magy, the isle.

[west coral]

Hadrosaur you could use Charonosaurus maybe?

[steady rock]

budget para

[west coral]

Ankylosaur you could choose some of the fellas from Nemegt basin

Prosauropod depends on what nieche you want them to fill

[steady rock]

brawler

[west coral]

Maybe Lufeng of Yunnano?

[steady rock]

maybe

[white matrix]

Good question, wait was bamboo around the time of non-avian dinosaurs?

[west coral]

No iirc

[compact leaf]

bamboo evolved some time around 30-40 million years ago so no

[light osprey]

Not that we know of (Cretaceous bamboo 💯🗣️)

[compact leaf]

I mean grass did show up some time in the cretaceous so something similar isn't entirely out of the question but I wouldn't really bet on it being a thing

[light osprey]

Wikipedia has the suggested temporal range so it must be true. Checkmate Angiosperm deniers 😎

[rose gate]

When they can drink A-okay in real life and sleep but in game mod it's hard af based on this reconstruction. I dunno 🤣

[west coral]

I love zachs brachiosaurus, the colour scheme is beautiful

[white matrix]

You know despite lacking in brow and a nasal ridge I actually kinda like LOOP's Rex

[heady thunder]

It doesnt really lack them, theyre just, smooth, which aint really an issue, rex didnt really have them pronounced

[white matrix]

Fair enough

Overall I find LOOP's Rex to be pretty inoffensive

I've always wondered why keratin doesn't typically fossilize, especially things such as large horns

[heady thunder]

Probably cos it decomposes way easier.

[little star]

What kind of dino? Siats?

[woeful falcon]

Neovenator

[sullen cairn]

3300kg phalange moment

[little star]

thanks

[frail robin]

Did any Spinosaurids/Charcharadontosaurids survive until the Maastrichtian?

[ruby patio]

No

[pearl briar]

any accuracies checker?
how accurate is this three rexes?

[heady thunder]

Theyre fairly accurate, minus the dragon armor for the first

[white matrix]

You mean your Rexes aren't ancient Japanese warlords?

[white matrix]

How did ankylosaurs breed...

[tough parcel]

Like any other animal, God smh

[heady thunder]

Theory will only get us so far

[restive mantle]

They probably had to like hit it from the side lmao

[white matrix]

How accurate is the tyrannosaurus rex in the "life on our planet" documentary on Netflix?

[stray wren]

Its pretty good, from what I've heard. Has a few issues (lack of hornlets, too many teeth) but other than that it's like, perfect

[heady thunder]

Wasnt Rex smooth in the horns departament?

[stray wren]

Nah it likely, like nearly all of its kin, had keratinized hornlets above its eyes

[light osprey]

These are the sketches from PMC

[lavish frigate]

I love the design of the first Rex because (at least in the trailer thing it’s from) its actually a really realistic rex the only difference is the body armor

[stray wren]

Tyrannosaurus itself is also extremely variable when it comes to skulls. So it's probable that some had smaller/smoother hornets than others

[heady thunder]

Blue Rex is a chad ngl

[light osprey]

They both have the enlarged pterygoid, I think

[heady thunder]

English

[light osprey]

Jaw muscle big

[heady thunder]

Oh yeah both have it, the red one looks more prominent cos, its head like an upside down pyramid

[weary yoke]

Someone watch this and tell me this guy isn’t a lunatic

[light oxide]

It was doing so well until when they decided to call Therizinosaurus "a relative of Allosaurus."

[dusky stratus]

i mean it is a theropod innit

[light oxide]

Yeah, but Therizinosaurus was nowhere near related to Allosaurus -- Allosaurus always in the Allosauroid tree, which would later evolve into Metriacanthosaurid and Carcharadontosaurid trees.

Therizinosaurus was in the Maniraptoran tree, which also contains the Tyrannosaurids, Dromaeosaurids, Troodontids, and Ornithomimids.

[tranquil quartz]

Imo, there is an extremely low and im talking low that there could have been Maast Carchs

Theres some weird evidence out there such as that weird maybe carch maxmilla found in France

[frail robin]

Yeah, but you have to know that this person is speaking to an audience of non-dinosaur nerds. He summarizes things, and makes them much simpler for people who are not educated

[sullen cairn]

iirc that ended up being theropoda indet somewhere but I'm gonna check

[tranquil quartz]

pls dont ruin my hopes of maast carchs😔

[light osprey]

You should probably dispose of such hope, they don’t exist

[tranquil quartz]

nuh uh

[sullen cairn]

ah terminal late cretaceous carchs abelisauridae indet

[light osprey]

Much better

[tranquil quartz]

Damm you abelisauroids!

[light osprey]

Mfw when Maastrichtian material is a maastrichtian clade

[sullen cairn]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

[chilly knot]

At this point it's just a rock

[tranquil quartz]

No believe in the maast carch

You cant let those lame abelisauroids win again!!

[flat pond]

I’ve modified my roster for the sake of adding popular dinosaurs as well as obscure ones. My current roster is:

Adasaurus(playable)
Akainacephalus(playable)
Angulomastacator(playable)
Altispinax(playable)
Borealosuchus(playable)
Centrosaurus(playable)
Cretoxyrhina(ai)
Cymbospondylus(playable/ai)
Dakosaurus(played/ai)
Eustreptospondylus(playable)
Futabasaurus(playable/ai)
Gargoyleosaurus(playable)
Globidens(playable/ai)
Gorgosaurus(playable)
Hesperornis(ai)
Indosuchus(playable)
Irritator(playable)
Jiangjunosaurus(playable)
Leedsichthys(ai)
Lioplurodon(playable/ai)
Mahajangasuchus(playable)
Morturneria(playable/ai)
Muttaburrasaurus(playable)
Nothronychus(playable)
Opisthocoelicaudia(playable)
Ornithocheirus(playable)
Ornithomimus(playable)
Pachyrhizodus(ai)
Parapuzosia(ai)
Pentaceratops(playable)
Phosphatodraco(playable)
Platytholus(playable/ai)
Prognathodon(playable/ai)
Prosaurolophus(playable)
Sonorasaurus(playable)
Soroavisaurus(ai)
Stenonychosaurus(playable)
Thescelosaurus(playable)

Hopefully if I do this in the future, this roster will turn out well.

[tranquil quartz]

Altispinax is automatically a W

[flat pond]

Criminally underrated, especially since it was in the Fossil Fighters franchise

[tranquil quartz]

Its so underrated that its not even mentioned on the Carcharodontosauridae wiki page 💀

[flat pond]

Also would like to note that my aquatics will be ai before becoming playable.

[flat pond]

Yeah that’s always confused me.

Like why isn’t it listed as a carcharodontosaur when it’s now believed to be one.

[tranquil quartz]

I mean I attempted to edit its page but i don’t know how to edit a Wikipedia page

[sullen cairn]

I shall use this as an excuse to again mention Wikipedia still has incorrect pycno age

[flat pond]

Oh it does?

[sullen cairn]

Yup

[flat pond]

Oof, Wikipedia L

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah but Wikipedia isn’t the greatest for paleo info anyway

[flat pond]

Anyways, hopefully my roster has members that are distinct enough from each other and have interesting niches.

[gray zealot]

i think its just the phrasing and sentence structure being god awful

[tranquil quartz]

And the fact he calls therizinosaurus a ‘relative of allosaurus’

[woeful falcon]

hey if you want to really stretch it you could say therizinosaurus is a relative of allo lol

But you have to reaaaaaaaaaaallllllllly stretch it

[flat pond]

Oof

[woeful falcon]

more of a relative to allo than stegosaurus or triceratops of course

[flat pond]

Did I forget to mention that my Stenonychosaurus will start forest fires during the dry season to get prey.

[woeful falcon]

is this for a mod or

[flat pond]

A roster for something I might do in the future

Not a mod. Wouldn’t be able to do that.

[west coral]

Beautiful roster

[flat pond]

Thanks

Gorgo replaced Bistah because even though Bistah is very interesting, I’ve always wanted to do something with Gorgo, besides Gorgo being a very popular tyrannosaur

[compact leaf]

has anyone else here finished watching life on our planet yet?

[white matrix]

The show released?

[compact leaf]

yeah it released today

[flat pond]

Still in the middle of it.

[muted gale]

Anybody know any Nigersaurus sub species? i know taqueti already

[muted gale]

me!

[west coral]

That’s it, just N. taqueti

[muted gale]

Really? i thought there was more?

damn tryna do a suggestion for a mod and i wanted to do some sub species thanks for tellin me

[west coral]

Not really a sub species, that’s the only species

[light osprey]

Sub species in the Mesozoic fossil record, can you imagine

[compact leaf]

even thinking about that makes my head want to explode

[light osprey]

Biogeographical ranges galore, hmmm thus I can put Tarbosaurus everywhere in Asia (attributed material my beloved)

[lavish frigate]

Why’s he a lunatic lol. Only thing he really got wrong is describing therizinosaurs as “a relative of allosaurus”. Also the subtitles say terizinosaurus

[heady thunder]

And tbh, allo is a relative, just a distant one

[tranquil quartz]

Nigersaurus is the genus
taqueti is the species

[little pendant]

Real quick, I'm still confused on whether Therizinosaurus used its claws for defensive purposes or would it have still been too fragile?
Apologies again if this question has been answered before

[light oxide]

Wait -- Life on Our Planet released today?

[compact leaf]

yeah

[light oxide]

Question -- why in the world does Tyrannosaurus in Life in Our Planet have Jurassic Park Tyrannosaurus noises mixed with snarling/hissing?

Or is it just me?

(I just watched the clip of it hunting Triceratops.)

Specifically, this clip: https://youtu.be/J4ydTuem8Ls?si=XhXlU5G8p2H6kPp7

[light osprey]

Cause they thought it sounded cool

Thought such would be self evident

[light oxide]

I see.

I will still see the rest of the show, of course -- I'm curious on the other parts and whatnot.

[compact leaf]

I was really disappointed we didn’t get to see many non predator prey interactions with the prehistoric animals

[light oxide]

The side effects of popular media.

And human bias towards carnivores and hunting. Most of the time.

[light osprey]

What do you think this is, Prehistoric Planet or something?

[tranquil quartz]

I mean its Morgan Freeman+Dinosaurs so ill give it a watch

[tranquil quartz]

Why are the tiny juvenile tyrannosaurus participating in taking down an adult triceratops?

[heady thunder]

Bird mouth feeding from a hadro was thr last thing I expected from it, very cool

[light oxide]

(They are actually, from what I'm seeing, adolescents -- AKA teenagers. Teenagers are known to be more reckless and whatnot. However, the point still stands.)

[compact leaf]

I did think that was pretty cool to see it isn’t something I’ve really thought of before, it would be a lot better if edmonto and maiasaura didn’t have the same model though

[heady thunder]

I bet it uses some JP rex calls cos Spielberg directs it.

It has a combo of deep rumbles and hisses with those

[light osprey]

Budgetary constraints maybe

[woeful falcon]

Its not being done by some no name studio, this is a Mr. Spielberg product.

Which I suppose is why you hear JP roars, it was produced by his company

[light oxide]

Ah -- interesting. I didn't know that it was being produced by Spielberg himself.

[woeful falcon]

Johnny Spielberg aka Dinosaur Movie Man

[steep needle]

lol

[heady thunder]

It says that on like, the second sentence of the trailer

[flat pond]

Nigersaurus anyone

[elfin pulsar]

Who smacked that sauropod in the face with a pan

[white matrix]

With a hammer*

[stark pasture]

Wouldnt it have the same fate as amarga?

[west coral]

If the largest theropod is Gorgosaurus, it might, but also might not

[light osprey]

Nigersaurus scares em with its smile

[heady thunder]

Nigersaurus the meme

[light osprey]

Completely unrelated but I want to make sure I have this right;
Pteranodontids are shallow plungers
Nyctosaurids and Aponyctosaurians are dip feeders
Alcione is the only Pteranodontian with indications of deep plunging feeding

[tall basin]

Holy moly

[flat pond]

So it might be a 50/50 type of thing?

Plus I wasn’t sure if it would even do well in my roster. Was only just a thought.

[flat pond]

Thus I’m sticking with Opisthocoelicaudia and Sonorasaurus as my sauropods.

[west coral]

I’d say something around 50/50 yeah

[compact leaf]

sonorasaurus will be safe as an adult but you have plenty of stuff around to eat the babies so that isn’t a problem

[flat pond]

Yeah I figured that. Young would stick to dense forests while adults can be found in more open floodplains

[compact leaf]

opistho is also probably safe as an adult but again, baby mortality

for the roster anyway, I’m not talking their actual ecosystems

[light osprey]

Scale Opisthocoelicaudia after Mongolian Titan

[flat pond]

Both will also favor different types of trees to not compete with each other

[compact leaf]

footprint scaling W

[light osprey]

A very rare ichnotaxon W

[compact leaf]

I need to figure out what happens when you scale atlasaurus with basal brachiosaurids

[west coral]

You should atleast try stick some sort of flagellicaudatan in there

[sullen cairn]

Bro really trying to be otogosaurus

[light osprey]

it shrinks

[west coral]

as soon as scaling is mentioned, table appears

[sullen cairn]

It is my role to make this channel actively worse by scaling things in the worst possible ways

[compact leaf]

when the giant femur (I think it’s a femur anyway) gets scaled with stuff that isn’t a turiasaur it’s obscene, but afaik nobody has tried basal brachiosaurids which is where it tends to fall

[light osprey]

Dear oh my

Good thing I’d never dabble in such dark magic (mmm isometrically scaled quadrate)

[flat pond]

Bajadasaurus maybe

Or would that not be a good idea?

[sullen cairn]

Bajada’s even smaller than nigersaurus

[flat pond]

Is it? I didn’t know that, thought it was the same size as Amarga

[sullen cairn]

iirc bajada’s something along the lines of 1500kg

[flat pond]

Oof, what would be a good one then?

[steady rock]

how is this looking?
Herbivore’s 2/12
Apex 1/2
Shunosaurus jiangyiensis - sauropod - 1200kg
Therizinosaurus - freddy kruger but herbivore - 6000kg
Mid
Sinoceratops - fat non water based waterbuffalo - 5000tons
Tarchia - TARCHIA TRENCH FORMATION - 2500 tons
Lufengosaurus - BRAWLER - 3700 kg
small

[sullen cairn]

Amarga itself is around large gorgo size

[sullen cairn]

3700kg is very high for lufengosaurus

[steady rock]

oh, is 1700 better?

[sullen cairn]

Yup

[white matrix]

Go 2000

[steady rock]

fight for it

[white matrix]

2000

[steady rock]

round 1, devil vs table

[west coral]

If you’re looking for something somewhat large, Tornieria, Lingwulong, or Dystrophaeus?

[white matrix]

Devil always wins

[sullen cairn]

2t is a boring number

1.7t has a certain flair to it which can’t be replicated

[white matrix]

I stand by 2000

[steady rock]

what about 1800

[white matrix]

Its planned to be a brawler of smalls, 2000 will make it unique

[steady rock]

its mid tier

[white matrix]

Right, then 2000. Also isnt this supposed to be in modding though?

[flat pond]

Dystrophaeus could work maybe.

[steady rock]

3 mids
Itchyvenonator - fisher - 2500 tkg
Sinraptor sdongi. - brute force pack hunters - 1400 kg
Rajasaurus - RUSHHHHHHHHHDOWWWWWWWWWWWWN - 1000 kg

i dont know, it looks like 1700 will be able to fight off most of its predators tbh

[white matrix]

2000. Mark my words. Anyways i gotta get off

[steady rock]

its called PALEO ACCURACY, so thats why i post about it here

[white matrix]

Right. 2000 realistically then.

[sullen cairn]

1400 seems low for dongi
dan's most recent skeletal was fairly large

[flat pond]

Lingwulong could be a good addition of my roster as a ground feeding sauropod.

[light osprey]

What’s that recently described Spanish Baryonchinae known from like no material

[steady rock]

can i see it?

[sullen cairn]

~1950kg scaling with yang

[steady rock]

are these accurate sizes?
Omnivore 3/3
Apex
Deinocheirus - omnivorous fisher - 8500 kgs
Mid
Gigantoraptor - secretary bird - 2500 kgs - somehow ran at 50km/h
Small
Incisivosaurus - think of cleaning shrimps- 15 kg

[flat pond]

How big is Lingwulong anyways?

[sullen cairn]

giganto's more like 2.65t with .97 density

[light osprey]

Damn there’s two of them but I found it; Protathlitis

[steady rock]

what the hell does that mena

[sullen cairn]

2.5t is with a lower density

[steady rock]

yeah but what does having a lower density means

[bright veldt]

Body density

Mass is density x volume

[sullen cairn]

it weighs more kg for its volume than what's given in the gdi

in simple terms

[bright veldt]

I personally just round to the nearest 500 kg once something gets over 2 tons.

[steady rock]

im failing math

[sullen cairn]

the gdi is 2740 liters

[steady rock]

oh okay

[white matrix]

2000

[light osprey]

I would’ve thought Anzu would’ve been considered by now

[steady rock]

is anzu in asia?

[sullen cairn]

thats just gigantoraptor

[sullen cairn]

the gdi uses a ~.91 density to get 2.5t, but a .97 density is probably better which nets ~2.65t

[west coral]

fairly better

[steady rock]

THAT IS NO LINGWULONG

[keen forum]

that is gonna be heavily in gorgo's favor in terms of speed and agility and in weight they are about the same unless its like balance in game terms

[steady rock]

try shunosaurus

[light osprey]

He’s the big North American one

[steady rock]

yeah well im doing a ASIAN ROSTER

[flat pond]

Ah. How big meters wise is it?

[keen forum]

shuno might be good

[sullen cairn]

elrhaz is a very normal and sensible formation

[steady rock]

isnt lurdu super damn fat

[keen forum]

yep

[light osprey]

One of the formations of all time, that’s for sure

[steady rock]

dont forget sarco

[light osprey]

Not Maastrichtian though, so L

[west coral]

I still can’t believe Kryptops is the same size as Suchos skull

[keen forum]

and eocar

[flat pond]

I’m doing a mixed roster based around an island ecosystem which only dinosaurs of certain sizes could thrive.

[steady rock]

why is gorgo there

[sullen cairn]

lurdusaurus has a piss poor description and wasn't even that big

[steady rock]

i remember someone on the BoB paleo chat saying it was fat and weighed 9 tons

[flat pond]

Cause Gorgo is apart of my roster

[keen forum]

9m and about 5-6 + tons he's pretty big

[steady rock]

gorgo aint living on no island

try ampleo, that lived on a island

[light osprey]

And Elrhazo

[west coral]

What’s the size cap on the island?

[flat pond]

It’s part of my roster. The island that I will have it on is going to big enough to support Gorgo.

[light osprey]

Is an early Cretaceous Dryosaur a weird thing?

[flat pond]

Either Gondwa size or bigger but not big enough to support something like Tyrannosaurus

[sullen cairn]

because limb circumference allometry in quadrapeds is notoriously reliable

[compact leaf]

not terribly no

[light osprey]

Cool

[west coral]

No i mean the largest you want an animal to be

[light osprey]

Hey, what kinda Titanosaurs did they recently find in Elrhaz

[clever sable]

SARCOSUCHUS?!?!!

[flat pond]

Oh, Soronasaurus

That’s as large as I’m going.

[compact leaf]

elrhaz doesn’t actually have any as far as I know, it might have like one but the only referred sauropods there are nigersaurus and a brachiosaurid

[west coral]

So somewhere around 20T?

[flat pond]

Yes

[sullen cairn]

didn't the brachiosaurid end up being those cabao teeth

[compact leaf]

no the elrhaz brachiosaurid is something else

as far as my digging has gone it is actually a brachiosaurid

[flat pond]

Plus Sonorasaurus will be solitary in nature. Young will prefer to group up for safety in numbers while adults will thrive living alone.

[sullen cairn]

the plot thickens

[keen forum]

more like scaling a model and getting the volume of the skinner recon and its still giving a animal that close to 6tons

[light osprey]

Oh, I thought the indet. Was a Titanosaur, but that’s cool

[sullen cairn]

lurdu's nowhere well described enough for a decent model to be made

[steady rock]

thats every damn dinosaur besides sauropods

[light osprey]

I vouch for weird long necked Lurdusaurus

[west coral]

every saltasaurid known to man

[compact leaf]

so at the time africa has titanosaurs in the north, brachiosaurids further south, and a turiasaur even further south (and rebbachisaurids scattered all over)

[steady rock]

no, i meant anything under 20 tons

[west coral]

Fair

[keen forum]

you can use franoys composite or use the fat one the one that gave a pretty heavy lad is this one

[sullen cairn]

8.8m lurdu's barely over 3000kg scaling with random's iggy

[flat pond]

My ecosystem will be only supporting the species I have on my roster. I’m not adding a massive apex because they would most likely eliminate the vast majority of my roster.

[keen forum]

the model gets ya over 5tons from the check on its weight

[light osprey]

Bros made a Holocene roster for the Mesozoic

[keen forum]

( also before some uses this as ref the fat one might be the better ref for lurdu )

[light osprey]

As in, all the cool megafauna are dead

[flat pond]

I’m not going TI road, going with something that could be potentially functional and perhaps fun maybe.

[flat pond]

Isn’t that what we all love here?

[light osprey]

Indeed

[west coral]

If you need any inspiration for environment, try make a map based off of mesozoic europe

[flat pond]

Hm, that could be interesting. Is the gray islands?

[wary heath]

what would happen to the ecosystem if allosaurus was brought back to a place like the savanna

[west coral]

Yes

[light osprey]

Nah the white area. Europe is a giant Alluvial plain

[flat pond]

Lol

[light osprey]

Do Maastrichtian Central China (infinite desert, no wawda)

Not the strangest place to find big animals tbh

[flat pond]

I think I’ll go with the large island that is the upper center towards the right.

Fairly large but just right

[west coral]

The ones in what is now Ukraine and Russia?

[flat pond]

Yeah, I think

[light osprey]

Crimea fauna 💯
Im pretty sure there’s a single named taxon from there

[flat pond]

This one

[light osprey]

Wait is that the Ukrainian one

I can’t find it now so I’m assuming it is

[flat pond]

I’m not sure but it is a large enough island to support my roster and the ecosystem that will be on it.

[west coral]

The giant Scandinavian landmass?

[flat pond]

Yes

[sullen cairn]

dorsally i'm not really seeing how this thing can be appreciably larger (as in 2/3rds heavier) than a similarly-long hadrosaur and the torso depth seems very liberal here (but that's the same in the skeletal so might be fine)
also jfd had an 13t sue that even after edits was 11.5t

[compact leaf]

I wish we had more from the larger landmasses in northern europe, it’s a bit of a mystery right now the youngest rock we have for a lot of it is early-mid cretaceous

[sullen cairn]

for reference the edmonto's 3t at 8.8m

[light osprey]

Erm where’s the cartoonishly long neck

[keen forum]

you can see from the edmontos ribs he's no where near as wide with the tail soft tissue also being a long skinnier and even the neck doesn't hold as much as the model

[keen forum]

yep most of that comes from the tail with a more developed caudofemoralis and more muscles around the neck which both are possible amounts just not the minimal