paleontology

[stray wren]

Just environmental stuff I suppose

Niche partitioning go hard

[stiff osprey]

what reverting from high browser to grazer/low browser does to several mfs

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Brachytracho suffered the worse..the dude could be mistaken for a ornithopod in the right scenario

[west coral]

bald stegosaur

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shedding Dacenturine

[west coral]

not even a dacentrurine, it looks like a stegosaurine

[white matrix]

https://youtu.be/EVYOEVkmRsM

[west coral]

über-charged raptor

[hallow spear]

aTsintao solos all those nerd hadrosaurs

[west coral]

nuh uh

[hallow spear]

not the largest tsintao

[light osprey]

Is this the Udurchukan one?

[west coral]

give me the measurements then

[hallow spear]

dont have it on me rn but its at least amurosaurus sized

[west coral]

arkhavaria yes

[light osprey]

Poor fella

now do the rest of the formation😈

[west coral]

ok yeah

[west coral]

i am not going anywhere near that giant tyrannosaurin, for the sake of both me and arkhavaria

[hallow spear]

also this is better for tsintao

[west coral]

alright thanks

[white matrix]

this could be the largest dromaeosaur we've discovered yet.

[wispy summit]

No scalebar?

[west coral]

Fixed with new tsintao, and man is this thing big

[white matrix]

isn't this prior extinctions model iirc

[hallow spear]

ya

[hallow spear]

remember the humans arnt the same size, randoms is like 1.7 or 1.6m where as the human there is 1.8m iirc

[west coral]

I know, i didn’t scale based on the human, i scaled based on the estimate you gave me

If I scale it with the human, it brings it back down to the original size

[hallow spear]

i can tell you its 8.17m in a straight line from tail tip to beak
if that helps

[scenic flame]

until PE showed off their Tsintaosaurus model I never knew how different it's proportions were to more well known hadrosaur taxa

it looks quite gracile and the arms are alot more comparable in robustness to the legs than most others

[west coral]

the smaller one I got 8m exactly for

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Tsintao could hit 10 meters apparently

[light osprey]

Just make it 10 metres and call it a day 🥱

[west coral]

gods worst creation

[light osprey]

He’s cooking

Damn those are some big Lambeosaurs

[west coral]

Either that or them dwarfing a sauropod makes them look giant

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is this Zhucheng or the fabled other big chinese Tyrannosaurine

[west coral]

the mythically enormous amur tyrannosaurine

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what are the chances it might be Zhucheng or something new..or is it undiagnostic

[west coral]

I’ll be honest with you, I have no clue.

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russia just needs more dinosaurs

[west coral]

yes

Just have a random theropod known from 2 bones that no one can identify somewhere around the urals, perfect russian dinosaur

[light osprey]

Udurchukan is full of indet. Material. To the first glance it’s an assemblage of NA and South Asian fauna

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that supposed giant raptor

[light osprey]

Kakanaut as well

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praying for some Turkana Grits Giant Abelisaur news from SVP

[west coral]

Kakanaut is interesting, since it would be right on the berring land bridge, so maybe faunal interchange inbetween it and prince creek?

[light osprey]

Yeah

Ankylosaurian material as well there, so who knows which biosphere that originates from

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would this probably be where the supposed alaskan therizinosaurs appear

[light osprey]

Yeah roughly contemporary with Prince Creek

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therizinosaurs confuse me cause you have things like Beipiao for early therizinosaurs but alternatively in NA you have Falcarius

[west coral]

The NA bridge kind of stumped off with nothro

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so they probably were Asian originators?

yea cause Beipiao is a contemporary of Yuty so I think it predated Falcarius

[west coral]

eshanosaurus

[light osprey]

Maybe they radiate from NA to Asia, become more successful in Asia, leave NA for a time (or restricted to northernmost Laramidia)

Falcarius is older than Beipiaosaurus

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oh it is..there goes my idea

I do know..theres allegedly I should say..a therizinosaurus size Hell Creek Theri..but its based a off non diagnostic toe bone from memory

[light osprey]

I wonder if Panoplosauridae or Struthiosauridae persist in Northern Asia at the end of the Cretaceous 🤔

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isnt Struthiosaurus Hateg

[light osprey]

Si

[west coral]

all over europe actually

Austria, France, Spain, Romania, Hungary

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oh so i geuss Struthiosaurus might be many species

[west coral]

Lil fella is a proud member of the eu

[light osprey]

Me when the Archipelago have shared fauna

Silly Maastrichtian Europe

[west coral]

island hoppers are the best except if they’re giant azhdarchids

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as a proud splitter every new island Struthio must be named after another Ornithomimasaur to screw me over in names

[light osprey]

Ornithosaurus and Deinosaurus

[west coral]

Struthiosaurus was named first

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the terrible lizard is a surprise it was never used

not like theres too many "terrible blank"

[west coral]

Probably a really really fragmentary theropod that got invalidated

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one that was in like a single paper in the 1800s and never seen again

[light osprey]

No doubt named by Marsh or something

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it had to be marsh or cope..they gave us the best names that ended up getting synonimized with something else

whats with the early paleontologists being either unbearably terrible people or just weird even for their time

[light osprey]

It was a new field of research so that probably accounted for some of it

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anyone else notice how many new taxa are coming from spain the last few years

[west coral]

Just indet stuff being described, I guess?

[hallow spear]

The arms are a litter generously done and could realistically be less

[west coral]

another man has fallen for skeletal teeth being too damn thin

[sullen cairn]

unfortunately

[west coral]

you need to give em extra reinforcements

braces or something

[light osprey]

His smile will be immaculate 💯

[woeful falcon]

Now do it but with random's sue

And space them out slightly more. Do as I say!!!

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all i see in SVP as a announcement is Maddox: New Dromeasaurid from the Hell Creek Formation

this will be interesting as i can forsee

[west coral]

new dakotaraptor species

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dakota 2.0

[light osprey]

And then do it again with Lancian’s

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did anyone see that Austrocheirus got new material and the Abelisauroid idea is seemingly not correct

[light osprey]

As in… not Noasaurid? 😞( you said not correct, my disappointment is immeasurable)

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i mean Noasaurs are Abelisauroids

[light osprey]

So what is it more Megaraptorid material?

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uh let me see..

[sullen cairn]

Theropoda indet

[light osprey]

If it’s just not diagnostic, I’m sticking with Noasaurid 😤

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looks like hand or foot material

[sullen cairn]

SA Megaraptorans also continue the trend of somehow getting more referred material than SA abelisaurids

[light osprey]

If it’s a Megaraptorid Austrocheirus would actually be a pretty good genus

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yea suggested larger forelimbs and a exeptionally massive metatarsus

[west coral]

abelisauroids are all over the place

both figuratively and literally

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paper is Fossil vertebrates from the Cerro Fortaleza Formation

[wary granite]

https://x.com/amnh/status/1715714829141299598?s=46 this is so cool

[light osprey]

The abstract specify Abelisaurid, I hold out hope 😤

[steady rock]

i need medium sized asian carnivores

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mid jurassics your go too

[steady rock]

under yangchungosaurus's weight which i dont know

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3 or so tons

[west coral]

Pretty much everything in Shaximiao that isn’t Yang or Sinraptor

[steady rock]

tarbo is 5.5 right?

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tarbo is like small rex size so no

ceratosaurus i think technically falls under medium..

[west coral]

5.39 iirc

[light osprey]

5 tonnes is far from medium

[steady rock]

did that live in asia. . . .

[sullen cairn]

kelmayisaurus siamraptor and wakinosaurus all ~2-3t range

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NA, Portugal maybe tanzania

oh right you need asian

[steady rock]

how much did rajasaurus weigh?

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oh Raja was a big one, 4.4 tons

[steady rock]

god damn

[sullen cairn]

raja's 1.1t

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sinosaurus was just asian dilo

[steady rock]

what

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oh i see i looked at the old weight estimate

[sullen cairn]

thanks gsp

[steady rock]

i was wondering how this small thing was 4.4 tons

[sullen cairn]

although with rajasaurus lametasaurus is referred to it and thats a bit larger at ~7.7m

[light osprey]

A tonne and some change, the real Deccansaurus

[sullen cairn]

even then lametasaurus isn't massive

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uhh russia has Kileskus..which im not sure would fall under small or medium

[steady rock]

is it just fat, what

i dont know, it looks like it would've weighed as much as a polar bear tbh

[sullen cairn]

scaling it with acro gets a tad over 9m

[steady rock]

oh.

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I mean utah was polar bear sized but lighter cause hollow bones

[sullen cairn]

wakino is also a partial tooth

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the worst taxa

[sullen cairn]

india also has indosuchus which is pretty big

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and Indosaurus

[light osprey]

The Lameta black hole of Abelisaurs is never ending

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which..is also probably a abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

bruhathkayosaurus falls under medium as well

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for sauropod standards

medium for a sauropod is like 15+ tons

[sullen cairn]

for theropod standards

[steady rock]

it looks massive tho

[west coral]

bruh is an abelisaur now

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thats outdated when we just had 2 pictures, wait when was it changed..was this when they found the new pictures?

[steady rock]

WHAT

[sullen cairn]

bruhath le 9m abelisaur

[steady rock]

HOW MUCH DID IT WEIGH?

[light osprey]

More than u

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I keep trying to say Achillobator is technically medium

[sullen cairn]

Like 2.3tish

[light osprey]

well it always was, I think we’ve known there was referred theropoda material

[west coral]

with all of these size refs I might try make a lameta chart

[sullen cairn]

😦

[west coral]

It’s either going to turn out mediocre or an egregious war crime

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i was not aware at all there was a theropod side to Bruhath

[west coral]

I might need a lil help though

[light osprey]

Include the non-dinosaur fauna?
👉👈

[steady rock]

this is all i have rn 😦
Carnivores 4/11
Tarbosaurus - apex bone crusher - 5.39 tons
Yangchuanosaurus - apex bleeder - 3 tons

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achillobator is like 550 lbs

alectrosaurus is..2000 or so lbs

[sullen cairn]

Yang’s 4t

[steady rock]

you said 3 tho

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also you have all the tiny Velociraptorine raptors from asia who are all less then 10 feet and probably never hit 100 lbs

[steady rock]

so we're rounding now?

[west coral]

two snakes and a turtle seem about fine

[light osprey]

Maybe include the Intertrappean beds too 👉👈

[steady rock]

i need a mid tier generalist

[sullen cairn]

Datanglong?

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well theres Achillobator, Sinosaurus, Monolophosaurus..

[light osprey]

Generalist sounds like Omnivorous to me

[steady rock]

rip off utah, sinosaurus and rip off dilo

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sino is literally dilo but chinese

[steady rock]

oh.

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it used to be a species of Dilo actually, its why JP gamees always have dilo in china

[steady rock]

do either of them have skeletals

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure all of them do but you might have to do a bit of digging

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yea i looked up sinosaurus skelatal and i only have sizes and a skelatal of JPs dilo

i did find a mount of Sino..accuracy debatable cause im not sure how old or outdated it is

[steady rock]

monolophosaurus skeletal?

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easier probably

C: scott hartman

[steady rock]

is this good?

[west coral]

would it be safe to say that Brachypodosaurus would be some sort of parankylosaur?

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...is that a informal name?

ok no its just dubious in general

[west coral]

yeah

[tough parcel]

Use Hartman’s

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uh it seems to be divided..but i think a ankylosaurian rout would be safer but parankylosaur i have no clue

[steady rock]

how much did mono weigh

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a little over 1000 lbs

[steady rock]

alright that will be a transition from small to mid tiers

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yea its stated 1,047 specifically

[white matrix]

question whats wrong with the current one he posted

[steady rock]

2 apexes
3 mid tiers
4 smalls

[tough parcel]

Hartman usually has direct access to the material, making it better than others

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i hate how the Mono holotypes ruined

[sullen cairn]

holy crap falcons alive

[steady rock]

what happened to it

[sullen cairn]

they shoved it in styrofoam or something like that

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someone basically encased it in foam or something

this is it

[steady rock]

why though

[tough parcel]

I have been incapacitated until very recently, from what I have seen, you have done a good job carrying on my scale chart legacy. You have made me proud, my child

[steady rock]

did km kill you or something

[undone parcel]

gaulichos back to terrorize us which scale charts

[sullen cairn]

Paleo chat is good again

[white matrix]

PugMaster:

[tough parcel]

Not yet, I have not been restored to my full powers yet. The scale charts must wait a while longer

[tough parcel]

Table’s been doing it more often from what I’ve seen also uhhh yes

[tough parcel]

Also thanks for reminding me, I stumbled upon something in my hiatus and I need to send it to him

[sullen cairn]

I’ve just been addicted to putting hartman’s stuff in neutral the past week

[white matrix]

why doesnt he usually put stuff in neutral anyway

[sullen cairn]

So gsp doesn’t jump him for copying his distinct trademarked animal positions

and then we have the very neccesary abelisaur chart (all in neutral now )

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is the Turkana Grit Giant on there

[sullen cairn]

biggest one
its just all named/kinda named things

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i hate to inform you that from someone who knows the people doing its paper that Titanovenator wont be the final name

[sullen cairn]

hence kinda named

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and probably better then the final one

[sullen cairn]

there's also bayosaurus (which admitadly has better merit to being nomen nudum)

[west coral]

atleast just have the species name be kenyaensis

[scenic flame]

why

[white matrix]

how do you have contact with people making the paper, pretty interesting

[steady rock]

go to primevil paleo chat so i dont look stupid with a statement i said

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cause it was named when endgame was big

[scenic flame]

I know but why

[sullen cairn]

because abelisaurids always have great names and even better material

[west coral]

sauroniops

[white matrix]

table's in primeval horizon?

[scenic flame]

it's a single vertebra

[steady rock]

yea

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hey sauroniops is a great name considering the material

[white matrix]

kuurupi "rock hard god of s@x"

[sullen cairn]

i love my terribly named axis that was oversized by a factor of 2x in its description

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also a great name

[west coral]

Rugops’s name is basically just slander

[sullen cairn]

day 23 of wondering why that guy based his kurupi skeletal using skorpiovenator

[undone parcel]

isnt Skorpio a pretty uniquely shaped Abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

funny head yeah
and its turonian while kurupi is maastrichtian

[white matrix]

spectrovenator has the more interesting head imo

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because its a basal-ish genus

[sullen cairn]

i would've swapped the head with paleojoe's but i'm too lazy

[steady rock]

you got called a rando

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never forget they named a shark from Hell Creek after Galaga

[sullen cairn]

epanterias amplexus is named after how frogs have sex

[white matrix]

Thats interesting

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theres the "Godzilla Shark"

[west coral]

I have set apon myself the curse of abelisauroidea by attempting to do lameta

[undone parcel]

i love how people are so eager to topple record holders to the point theyll believe things that are 99% likely not to be true, case in point..The Bissekty Giant raptor

[woeful falcon]

My rule of thumb is if I first see it in a youtube video by paleo youtuber #33, I don't even acknowledge it

[undone parcel]

or if said animal is known by a single toe bone

[sullen cairn]

i love my dromaeosaur therizinosaur phalange thing and averostra indet maxillary fragments

[woeful falcon]

Usually those go hand in hand lol. But what gets more clicks, giant raptor or proper overview of the material

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is said raptor probably big..maybe but i doubt it was twice utahs size

[sullen cairn]

and might not be a raptor

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side note: what was Ulegbegs size after the transition to raptor

[west coral]

please be a therizinosaur

[sullen cairn]

scaling ulughbeg to utah's skull is about the same size as the phalange estimates

for at least two of the three maxillary bits

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so maybe utahs size

[sullen cairn]

the maxillary elements were scaled to way larger than utah
as in similar to the large phalange estimates

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so possibly bigger

[sullen cairn]

problem is neither the maxillary elements nor the phalange are gaurunteed to even be dromaeosaurs

[woeful falcon]

I've noticed more people spreading bs youtuber crap lately. I've seen a lot of it before but not in such a short timespan

Bruhathkay, cope rex, this

[sullen cairn]

i take great pride in downsizing abelisaur bruhath so much

[undone parcel]

hey i just learned that apparently Bruhaths a abelisaur now apparently

[sullen cairn]

its technically theropoda indet
but there's not really much else it can be

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india is only Abelisaurs

[woeful falcon]

Actually I know one other thing it could be:

Dust

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or wood

[sullen cairn]

that's 3/4ths of indian fossils lmao

luckily we have great figures

[woeful falcon]

No I mean its destroyed, gone forever disintegrated lol

[undone parcel]

the curse of Amphicolias

[west coral]

or volcano

[undone parcel]

point is its apparently not a sauropod

[west coral]

The ilium, at least

[woeful falcon]

Don't even get me started on Studio and their "simulated dinosaur sounds". Saw someone post a tiktok video using their sounds and saying it was from some university lab

[west coral]

The rest is now indet, the kallamedu giant

[white matrix]

that's intensely cringe, the studio guy ofc

[west coral]

It’s just spinosaurus with loon calls over and over

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im glad i follow select few Dino people on Youtube

[white matrix]

youtubers like YDAW and raptorchatter are good imo

[undone parcel]

and the skeleton crew

[woeful falcon]

Skeleton crew naturally is, proper paleontologists they are

[sullen cairn]

say the line, napoli!
and we're the skeleton crew!
haha, i love these little fellas

[undone parcel]

uhh since more LOOP species have been shown via tie in book and stuff..and im hardly a expert at single glances..thoughts or opinions

[white matrix]

seem's studio sources britannica everytime

[woeful falcon]

I don't care much for paleo content creators tho. There are very few that I like because I feel its a bridging of mediums that don't generally go together without being, for lack of a better word, cringe.

I prefer the purely informational approach

[steady rock]

does anyone have a isisaurus skeletal?

[tough parcel]

Hartman has one, I believe?

[steady rock]

it looks so wrong, what is this

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646182730572496945/1118559934670450819/Isisaurus.png?ex=65426c1e&is=652ff71e&hm=d148c28f911bd05f2196df940581674fd3258ecef18ce7ac2923e41dbffb2d3f&

[sullen cairn]

indian statistical institute lizard

[steady rock]

why are indian dinosaurs so messed up

[undone parcel]

things from SVP I've seen so far that caught my eye: a horrific Tylosaurus with lots of facial Pathologies, possible new Shuvosaur from Petrified Forest, I think that paper on Torvosaurus tanneris new skull, walruses, Dino Mummies, and something about Thescelosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

Is that a sauropod with front legs almost as long as the neck

[undone parcel]

no its a sauropod whose necks almost as long as its front legs

[elfin pulsar]

That’s so weird

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thats why its a charming sauropod, it breaks the mold

[elfin pulsar]

How big is it

[sullen cairn]

~10t iirc

might be a bit higher than that

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C: Cisiopurple

[light oxide]

Opinions on this Allosaurus model? I just found it while watching this one YouTube short:

Let me see if I can find the short so you can see the full movement and whatnot . . .

[undone parcel]

in my Amateur opinion its nice

[tough parcel]

Iirc that short is actually Saurophaganax

[undone parcel]

summon the sauro=allo people

[light oxide]

Really? Huh. Well, it did say something about Allosaurus, so I assumed that it was just an Allosaurus.

Here's the short btw, for those curious:
https://youtube.com/shorts/hy7oQoZsd44?si=7H-jd6fz3mEIDq41

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yea that is a saurophaganax for a youtube short film off the the top of my head

[tough parcel]

Damn, can’t find the original, but it was about a guy who got warped into the past and was being hunted by Saurophaganax

[light oxide]

Mmm

Interesting.

[undone parcel]

Saurophaganax is technically in Planet Dinosaur

[tough parcel]

Not technically, it is in Planet Dinosaur lol

[undone parcel]

C: BBC foreground Allo Back Sauro

[chilly knot]

saurophaganax my baby

[west coral]

that saurophaganax is peak

[undone parcel]

it's valid till concrete proof says otherwise...even then ill still call it saurophaganax

[light oxide]

Just realized something.

There has been 5 instances where a dinosaur has been stated to have ginger like coloration:

First was the study that said that Tyrannosaurus's crests were most likely orange ginger in color. Second was the dark gradient ginger like colonization of Psittacosaurus. Third was the discovery of the coloration of Sinorthinolostes (I think I butchered the name) with the ginger orange and black coloration. Fourth is another small theropod with a proto feather covering that had a ginger and white coloration with a high contrast body gradient, implying that it lived in the floodplains. And finally, fifth, is the recent study that found that the diplodocus sauropods were mainly a ginger like color.

You all also seeing the pattern?

[undone parcel]

yea..its a common color for camouflage or display

or its just a more common color to preserve

[tranquil quartz]

One of the countless things wrong with Planet Dinosaur, Allo and Sauro were a few million years apart

[undone parcel]

hey..still fun to watch

[light oxide]

Didn't a kind of megalosaur take Allosaurus's place with Saurophaganax?

[undone parcel]

Torvosaurus, T. tanneri specifically

[light oxide]

Visual examples of what I'm saying here (Btw, "Sinorthinolostes" is Sinornithosaurus, and the small theropod I mentioned is Sinosauropteryx). Just for those curious:

[light osprey]

The latter

[woeful falcon]

Luckily orange also seems to be a common enough color to not only preserve but appear in several unrelated taxa

Where's the source of the rex one tho? I'm not familiar with that one

[undone parcel]

that documentary is probably the only orange crested rex i seen

[west coral]

Maybe dinosaurs were just ginger 🤷‍♂️

[undone parcel]

yes cause imperobator being ginger makes sense when it lived in antartica

probably not who knows

snow probably wasnt a year round thing back then so maybe it had a winter coat

[white matrix]

LOL they nuked my message

[rose thorn]

An anurognathid was also found to be a deep brown, Borealopelta is reddish brown, etc. that said, Diplodocus ginger color study only accounts for a potential small portion of the animal

[stiff osprey]

Most known dinosaurs come from savannahs/plains, and a lot of animals in these environments today have their colors determined by pheomelanins (orange, red, yellow)

[light oxide]

Interesting . . .

Have there been any dinosaurs that had any other known kinds of colors, other than Microraptor's iridescent black, of course.

[stiff osprey]

Anchiornis is also black, Beipiaosaurus is a regular non-reddish brown, and Caihong is... I'm not sure but it's iridescent

[undone parcel]

pretty sure i saw something about Archaeoptyrx being black and white and Anchiornis, black with a red crest

[viscid surge]

All dinosaurs were ginger!

[light oxide]

Interesting.

[cloud bane]

It'd be a one in a million find, but I'd love to see some preserved pigmentation traces from ceratopsian frills. I can't imagine them not being interestingly coloured.

[viscid surge]

Imagine we finally get it and it’s from a female

[cloud bane]

monkey's paw curls

actually on that topic, have we got any hadrosaur skin impressions from around the crests?

[light oxide]

[viscid surge]

Hadro feather conspiracy

[undone parcel]

Edmontosaurus regalis pretty sure

[clever sable]

And this is because those that didn't come from those areas didn't preserve most likely, so there are probably hundreds if not thousands of species of extinct creatures we will never find

[cloud bane]

the preservation bias... it haunts me

but yeah, hadrosaur crests, skin covered or keratinised, do we know?

[tough parcel]

Scaly afaik, the skeleton texture does not indicate keratin outside of the beak

[undone parcel]

i think the best we have is Edmontosaurus regalis

[cloud bane]

completely forgot you can just look at the bone texture

[tough parcel]

Keep in mind, bone texture is not a 100% foolproof way, but there are generalizations one can make

[cloud bane]

fair point

[light oxide]

Just like the Amargasaurus sail neck versus horned neck debate . . .

[cloud bane]

watch as it turns out Spinosaurus actually didn't have a sail at all and just some really weird flat spines

[light oxide]

Honestly . . . Would not be surprised. Given Spinosaurus just being the odd child in the whole paleontology community.

[tough parcel]

I would be surprised considering “exposed” spines just do not happen/is extremely rare

[sullen cairn]

the paleocommunity when spinosaurus stays the exact same besides a couple extra caudals (this creature is truly an enigma, we will never know its true form)

[tough parcel]

Real…

[light oxide]

Wait -- I thought Dozy was just joking about a possibility that Spinosaurus was sail-less and that the long spines are, well, just random.

[sullen cairn]

spinosaurus is a lambeosaurine because of the exagerrated neural spines diagnostic of the clade

[stiff osprey]

broke: spinosaurus keeps changing with every new paper
woke: spinosaurus 'changes' are just inherent to most fossil taxa, we just don't care enough about all the others to notice
BESPOKE: spinosaurus stays the same with every new paper, except it gets a few more caudals every time, until it has a 30m long tail surpassing snakes in vertebral count

[compact leaf]

amargasaurus is also considered to have a sail at this point, the horn covering has fallen out of favor

[clever sable]

Yeah, spinosaurus really hasn't changed that much in terms of general body shape in years, it's just the ecology that changes

[sullen cairn]

and taxonomy

[light oxide]

So I've heard.

[steady rock]

y'all i want 2 sauropods, which should i choose?
shunosaurus
omnisaurus
isisaurus
lingwulong

[stiff osprey]

shunosaurus and omeisaurus

[light oxide]

Hmm . . .

Can you list the sizes from largest to smallest of those 4 real quick?

[west coral]

Isisaurus and Omeisaurus

[stiff osprey]

Lingwulong is the largest if the paper skeletal is to be believed. then either isis or omei, then shuno's the smallest

[tough parcel]

But…Shunosaurus second species…

[light oxide]

Mkay. Now PANTZ, what's the largest carnivore in your roster right now?

[sullen cairn]

northern elephant seal

[steady rock]

tarbosaurus

[light oxide]

Hmm . . .

[cloud bane]

BTW i was 100% joking about the sailless spino thing earlier. but at this point Spinosaurus really is just the paleontological equivalent of the Ship of Theseus. Keeps changing but its the same dino

[stiff osprey]

none of them stands much of a chance against Tarbosaurus lol
except the hypothetical mega-shuno

[clever sable]

Is chalawan in the roster or nah?

[sullen cairn]

cisiopurple size ref

[steady rock]

is cisiopuprle good or bad

[sullen cairn]

when he is good its just cause he used a good skeletal as a base

[steady rock]

yes

[stiff osprey]

half the stuff he makes doesn't have any better reference so i mean, good enough

[undone parcel]

plus he usually makes a size ref for the newest species within the week

[sullen cairn]

me when cisiopurple doesn't scale a proximal tibia himself for his charts 😡

[light oxide]

(I know -- was obvious. )

[scenic flame]

Yeah the only thing I ever disliked about cisio's stuff were the inconsistent size references and floating ones

[steady rock]

so what sauropod should i use

[scenic flame]

Like floating woman or snail or dog .ident

[light oxide]

Honestly, Shunosaurus and Omeisaurus, ONLY IF you make Shunosaurus faster than Tarbosaurus.

[west coral]

Isisaurus sort of has the potential to go fast, since the long legs

[steady rock]

@sullen cairn can you compare tarbo and shuno?

[steady rock]

well i tried to do it and i dont think it needs to run

[sullen cairn]

spinosaurus with updated cartilage and caudal count

[steady rock]

oh.

[west coral]

why

[undone parcel]

to make us suffer

[steady rock]

but table, can you compare the sizes of shunosaurus and tarbo?

[steady rock]

yeah, i dont think large shuno would half to run from it

[clever sable]

What is megalanias closest living relative?

[steady rock]

tengu

[west coral]

varanus

[white matrix]

perenties and varanids in general

[steady rock]

im a dissapointment 😦

[clever sable]

Megalania is Varanus......

[undone parcel]

varanus is a genus with many species

[clever sable]

Yeah ik, I'm saying that megalania is just it's common name, it's actual name is Varanus priscus iirc

[west coral]

exactly

[undone parcel]

yea

[clever sable]

So how does that help me, there are many different species in the genus Varanus so that doesn't help

[undone parcel]

you asked its closet living relative

[woeful falcon]

Varanus isn't one animal though its a bunch

Including megalania.

[sullen cairn]

allosaurus fragilis' closest relative is allosaurus

[clever sable]

There are many, many species of Varanus and one of those species is megalania so telling me it's closest relative is it's own genus isn't helpful

[west coral]

Its closest relatives would be varanids who live in Australia and Indonesia, no?

[woeful falcon]

Which of varanus is most closely related to megalania

[undone parcel]

i heard before the lace monitor specifically but that mightve changed

[clever sable]

Yes, this is what I want to know

[west coral]

V. Giganteus and V. Komodoensis im pretty sure?

[undone parcel]

i think its closer to Australian goanna's

[steady rock]

how are you so smart?

[sullen cairn]

raisin bran

[undone parcel]

autism

[steady rock]

@tough parcel do you know varanus's closet relative?

[woeful falcon]

Its megalania

[steady rock]

i thought megalania was varanus

[woeful falcon]

That is the joke

[undone parcel]

9 species in Varanus including Megalainia so maybe all of them

ok theres 3 camps you can go with for Megalainia

theres it with the Perentie(V. giganteus) based on skull roof stuff

theres a sister taxon thing with the Komodo

[little mauve]

Lace monitor is the closest living relative of the komodo dragon, so basically both/either are prisca's closest living relatives

[undone parcel]

well it would be the closest Australian relative based off a sister taxa thing with the komodo

[little mauve]

Lace and komodo are sister taxon too

[undone parcel]

yea so its the closest australian relative it would have

[little mauve]

Right. Komodo dragons were also present in Australia until the middle Pleistocene

[undone parcel]

and Flores

[little mauve]

Yup, they were all over. Interestingly they interbred with Australian sand monitors in the Miocene. Enough to influence both species genetic heritage

[undone parcel]

ancient people could never win..on Flores the hobbits were definitely eaten whole probably still alive and when the Aborigines came to austrailia at the end of Megalainias rain they were probably eaten whole by a bigger lizard

[clever sable]

I wonder if they co existed with salties

[undone parcel]

pretty sure

[little mauve]

Oh they did

[clever sable]

I wonder how they would have interacted

[undone parcel]

yea 5.3 mya to today

[little mauve]

They still do to some extent, Saltwater crocs can be found in Indonesia

[undone parcel]

uhh croc drags lizard to water and shreds it vs lizard predates younger crocs

id say meg v Quinkana would be a more interesting fight but i think Quinkana was more aquatic then believed

yea quinkana sites are in more aquatic rock

[little mauve]

I think quinkana is quite a big smaller but that could be a sampling thing

[undone parcel]

uhh theres 3 or 4 species

species average 10 feet but a fragmentary Pliocene specimen was probably 20 feet

[stiff osprey]

I think a 20 foot croc would make pretty short work of megalania. But megalania is from the Pleistocene

[undone parcel]

ehh we had salties then

maaybe Paludirex(amazing croc name) seems to have made it to Pleistocene

[little mauve]

Yeah depending on the scenario I think I'll take the croc

[undone parcel]

oh no Quinkana lasted to 10,000 years ago

[pearl briar]

thank you very much (srry for the late response again)

[undone parcel]

something that always annoys me is assume titanoboa would be effective out of water and its like are you aware how near useless anacondas are on land cause of how heavy they are..now upscale that to twice that and it will probably be hardly a threat away from water

[little mauve]

It's easy for people to ignore things like weight & gravity with extinct animals because movies and games usually ignore them too

[undone parcel]

anaconda being prime..not to mention they had to make the face scary since anacondas are squishy babies with puppy eyes, makes me think how baby faced titanoboa would be

[little mauve]

Baby faced or not it would be pretty eerie to see a snake head that large peering at you from underwater

[stiff osprey]

I would hug a Titanoboa

and then probably die, but i think it'd be worth it

[steady rock]

i thought they were fish eaters

[little mauve]

He's just trying to hug you back 🥲

[undone parcel]

you think they do the anaconda mating balls

[stiff osprey]

They are, but their skull is big enough to swallow a small crocodile... or a human

[steady rock]

are you small

[stiff osprey]

no I'm a human

[steady rock]

are you a small human

[stiff osprey]

no, but the "small" in that sentence was referring to crocodiles

[undone parcel]

basically like majority snakes if its able to be swallowed theyll try...

[steady rock]

well a titanoboa isnt eating shaq

[stiff osprey]

if a 23ft reticulated python can swallow a 5 foot woman I think a 40ft titanoboa can eat a 6 foot me

[tough parcel]

Is that a challenge?

[steady rock]

your only 6 feet?

[undone parcel]

watch as cuddles swalles a 6 foot man to prove a point

[tough parcel]

Wtf do you mean only 6 foot, that’s tall

[west coral]

Wouldn’t the threshold double for what it could swallow?

[stiff osprey]

No, python skulls are better adapted for taking large prey than Titanoboa's skull (hence it being a piscivore). But I think Titanoboa being twice the size more than makes up for it

[undone parcel]

everyone talks titanoboa and ignores that it coexisted with Stupendemys and the Balrog

[west coral]

Balrog?

[undone parcel]

uhh big croc whos name i forget but i know its species name is balrogus

Anthracosuchus

[west coral]

Oh yeah the funny fella

[stiff osprey]

I wonder if Titanoboa would've been even bigger if it evolved during the pliocene, the crocs and turtles were both larger then compared to when Titano lived

[white matrix]

pitbull named cupcake when it meets python named suffocate

[undone parcel]

uhh i think it only got big due to how hot Columbia was post KPG

no seems that idea was dismissed

[little mauve]

Pliocene was plenty hot too

[undone parcel]

yea they tryed this with Megalainia

[stiff osprey]

on my way to speed up global warming to make anacondas bigger

[tough parcel]

But wait, if you melt the ice caps, Britian will vanish!

[undone parcel]

and?

[steady rock]

is it true if the icecaps melt the ocean will be freshwater due to how much freshwater is int he ice caps?

[stiff osprey]

No more dinosaurs named Vecti-thing? I see this as an absolute win

[tough parcel]

Well, considering the oceans were salty back when there were no ice caps, I don’t think that’s right

[steady rock]

oh, then what will will happen to all the freshwater?

[little mauve]

Yeah, it's not nearly enough water to affect global salinity

[undone parcel]

nothing?

[stiff osprey]

just makes the oceans slightly less salty

[white matrix]

speaking of britian was the leopard that was spotted there captured?

[tough parcel]

Fusion dance with the saltwater, nothing special

[steady rock]

this got me thinking, what if the oceans randomly turned freshwater

[stiff osprey]

RIP every shelled organism

[tough parcel]

AFAIK the photograph was hoaxed, but there is DNA evidence of big cats in Britian

[undone parcel]

i mean lions did live there

[steady rock]

anything else?

[tough parcel]

Modern big cats, not prehistoric big cats

[chilly knot]

Where is the problem?

[west coral]

fish

[compact leaf]

undescribed english brachiosaurid #4 gets named vectiposeidon

[steady rock]

not all fish

[stiff osprey]

everything that eats shelled organisms (most fish) then dies, and everything that eats fish then dies

[tough parcel]

What does Vecti- mean?

[chilly knot]

Stego finally learns swimming then

[compact leaf]

it's one of the members in the wealden group iirc

[undone parcel]

especially the fish who use bivalves for reproduction

[white matrix]

I mean what deer or any ungulate that lives in britain to suffice a big cat's meal

[tough parcel]

Sheep?

[deft sigil]

@white matrix Thank you

[undone parcel]

deer?

[steady rock]

could cheetahs survive in australia and thrive or no

[little mauve]

I'm kind of skeptical of this DNA evidence, it's all part of some TV documentary and the lab wants to remain anonymous? Little sketchy

[stiff osprey]

if they went after sheep british farmers would exterminate them in 0.01 seconds

[white matrix]

real and true

[steady rock]

thylacine moment

[tough parcel]

Huh? I thought it was in a paper lmao?

[undone parcel]

speaking of lions..was it american or cave lions we have cave art showing color of..

[white matrix]

solo? I mean probably if they went after kangaroos or in coalitions

[little mauve]

Not from what I'm seeing

[stiff osprey]

For cave lions we have preserved skin

[steady rock]

could a cheetah take down a kangaroo

[tough parcel]

Hm, I swear I remember seeing a paper regarding the DNA evidence, idk

[compact leaf]

I remember there being a paper too but maybe that's just bad memory on my part

[sullen cairn]

Dingos can kill kangaroos so probably

[undone parcel]

cause in LOOP their white and swear cave lions werent white

[little mauve]

This says it's a YouTube documentarian who did everything and had it tested, no paper from what I can tell

[stiff osprey]

they were reddish brown

[tough parcel]

One sec

[sullen cairn]

The cave lions are white because they’re covered in snow duh

[steady rock]

were there any american spinosaurids besides montanaspinus

[undone parcel]

no thats a meme at this point

[chilly knot]

Yes montanaspinus is real

[sullen cairn]

Dakotaspinus too

[compact leaf]

montanaspinus is a joke but there is some supposed teeth naish tried to make a paper for, it got rejected for some reason though

[tough parcel]

Iowaspinus…

[little mauve]

Newjerseyspinus

[steady rock]

i said BESIDES montanaspinus

[compact leaf]

I still answered your question

[undone parcel]

the cia rejected the paper to keep the american spines hidden from science

[sullen cairn]

The most complete besides Montana is manitobaspinus

[white matrix]

ontariosaurus

[undone parcel]

alamonyx

[compact leaf]

ohiospinus

[sullen cairn]

Sonoraspinus

[chilly knot]

Spinosaurids representing all American states

[undone parcel]

idahator

[steady rock]

is hawaii a state

[sullen cairn]

For now

[steady rock]

what does that mean

[undone parcel]

pennsylvanitator

[sullen cairn]

That is something I am not at liberty to disclose

[white matrix]

something thats been through my mind all day, how do dragonflies have a 95% hunting success rate

[little mauve]

Scientists who are bad at recording statistics

[compact leaf]

I'm withholding too much judgement for life on our planet but I'm getting a bit nervous, if they don't screw up the sauropods I can sleep at night (why does their rex have so many teeth)

[steady rock]

their good hunters, thats how

[stiff osprey]

i think you're jealous you don't have a 95% hunting success rate

[undone parcel]

well they can defy logic by flying backwards and sideways

[steady rock]

would meganara also have a 95 percent suscess rate or no?

9/10 cats die by meganara daily

[west coral]

100 percent success rate

[undone parcel]

9/10 infants are killed by Meganeura

[sullen cairn]

Maybe hunting success rate is an incredibly broad statistic that is somewhat useless to apply to broad datasets because of how circumstantially variable it is or something

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure meganura is closer to things such as stick bugs than dragonflies

[steady rock]

oh.

[undone parcel]

no its a Griffonfly which i think are near dragonflys

[chilly knot]

I don't know if I should feel bad for the scientists watching dragonflies catching mosquitoes all day

[steady rock]

its what they deserve for inventing gravity

[light osprey]

The inaccuracies are the least of the problems, can’t wait for a convoluted narrative to my nature documentary 🙄

[compact leaf]

I don’t mind a narrative if it’s done in the way they did it in the walking with series, I don’t want to see the triumphant oppressed mammal success story

[light osprey]

that’s exactly what it’s gonna be

[compact leaf]

I know, but I won't admit that for the sake of my own sanity

I also will continue to hope in vain that brachiosaurus might get its second total documentary appearance in the episode that has diplodocus and allosaurus

[undone parcel]

ive heard suggestions that the baby sauropods seen are brachi

[compact leaf]

they're definitely a diplodocoid of some sort, probably diplo itself just given the proximity but they don't have the shape to be brachi

[west coral]

significantly less sauropods than I imagined

had to spread them out to make it look even

[undone parcel]

and 90% abelisaurs

[west coral]

yes

[sullen cairn]

do you have o. rawesi and matleyi

[steady rock]

y'all never told me what sauropods

[sullen cairn]

lameta has indosuchus lameta raja rahioli indosaurus orthogoni matleyi and orthogini rawesi

for abelisaurids of varying levels of deserving to exist

[stiff osprey]

if you want the ones that would have the best chance against tarbosaurus it would be lingwulong and the dubious giant shunosaurus species

[west coral]

I thought rawesi was triassic

[sullen cairn]

wait rawesi's takli not lameta

still maas though
nvm abelisaurids are fine then

wait who tf assigned a maas thing to massospondylus

[light osprey]

Mm yes, definitely this many distinct genera are definitely valid

[west coral]

maastrichtian
massospondylus

give or take a letter, but the scientists obviously didn’t realize

they also didn’t realize species go extinct

[light osprey]

Outrageous

[undone parcel]

mmm yes a at best near mid early jurassic thing from a group that ddint make it past the mid jurassic clearly lived to the last part of the cretaceous

[west coral]

Left to right sauropods are Titanosaurus blanfordi, Jainosaurus, Titanosaurus indicus and Isisaurus

Left to right theropods are Indosuchus. Raholisaurus, Lametasaurus, Rajasaurus, Indosaurus, Orthogonisaurus, Dryptosauroides, Coeluroides, Ornithomimoides mobilis, Ornithomimoides barasimlensis, Laevisuchus, Jubbulpuria and Compsosuchus

just if you guys wanted to know

[white matrix]

this reconstruction needs to get it out, like there isn't enough data in machairdont cranial anatomy and inferred ecology to defend the bulldog-lipped artistic reconstructions

[west coral]

why would you want to give it bulldog lips anyway

[undone parcel]

pretty sure there is debate on if the sabers would be covered

[white matrix]

there isn't enough data anyway

[stiff osprey]

''there isn't enough data'' means bulldog lips are equally likely as exposed teeth. but i think we do have a study saying they would be exposed, at least in Smilodon

[white matrix]

huh thats what I got from this paper continuously saying "not enough data"

[stiff osprey]

that link do be not working, tho

[white matrix]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marco-Anson/publication/318242884_Controversy_about_Smilodon_lips_reconstruction/links/595e87ccaca2728c114690d0/Controversy-about-Smilodon-lips-reconstruction.pdf try this

[stiff osprey]

ah this is the study i'm thinking of

[steady rock]

how much did ichtyovenator weigh?

[stiff osprey]

basically bulldog lips only look like that because of human selective breeding, and there is no wild animal with a similar lip structure, so we have no reason to believe smilodon would be the same

[white matrix]

^ what I tried to say but failed

[undone parcel]

Icthyo was around 2.4 tons

[rose thorn]

is constantly drooling Smilodon a plausible thing?

[steady rock]

thank you

[undone parcel]

wait go 2 tons since Larramendi suggested a 34 ft and 2.4 ton estimate

[stiff osprey]

To a minor degree yes. you wouldn't need massive amounts of moisture to protect the teeth, the saliva on the lips covering the base of the fang would probably be enough to prevent it from desiccating

[rose thorn]

Interesting

[white matrix]

Where does the pachycehplaosaurus was half lipped/beaked thing come from btw?

[light osprey]

S. fatalis

[white matrix]

Who's recon

that also looks to be fatalis?

[light osprey]

https://twitter.com/villesinkkonen/status/1462149732948660231?lang=fa

This is S. populator

[white matrix]

oh I was right

[light osprey]

Ye

Except I never wrote populator 🗿

[white matrix]

S. gracilis

[white matrix]

real

[sullen cairn]

who would ever accuse chonk of such a thing

[light osprey]

Honestly

[sullen cairn]

tfw this thing was estimated at 8-10m

[west coral]

what’s the fella?

indet or generic south american abelisaur #16

[sullen cairn]

Indet bajo barreal maxilla

There’s also a decently sized vert or something there too

6.8m iirc

Maxilla’s just over 7m

[pearl briar]

wait what is anky most up-to-date length and weight again after her uhh... downsize???

[light osprey]

Certainly larger than you

[bright veldt]

The largest specimen is 7 meters and 4.5 tons give or take

[sullen cairn]

it'd be funny if one of the mongolian ankylosaurs ended up overtaking anky as largest
one of ems only like 500kg off

[light osprey]

With those comparable sample sizes I doubt

[steady rock]

any asian carchs?

[bright veldt]

Im gunna look at the clade out of curiosity

[stiff osprey]

Shaochilong, Siamraptor, maybe Chilantaisaurus

I think there's more

[sullen cairn]

wakinosaurus and kelmayisaurus

[bright veldt]

Kelmayisaurus as well

[steady rock]

any accurate sizes for them?

[sullen cairn]

they all have skeletals besides wakino

[steady rock]

whats below 3 tons and above 1.5

[stiff osprey]

siamraptor is

I think wakino too but not sure

[steady rock]

is this accurate?

[stiff osprey]

yes
also wakino's a tooth taxon, ignore it

[steady rock]

does anyone have a yangchungosaurus skeletal?

is dans good?

[white matrix]

Ye

[steady rock]

table, can i quickly ask you something, can you compare tarbo, siamraptor and yang?

[sullen cairn]

ye

[white matrix]

12:01

12:04

[steady rock]

god damn

i want something a lil smaller then that then

[sullen cairn]

for the tyrannosaur?

[steady rock]

no, siam

[sullen cairn]

lusovenator maybe?

[steady rock]

size?

. . .THATS IN PORTUGAL.

[sullen cairn]

oh we're still on asia

[steady rock]

yes

[sullen cairn]

prodeinodon kwangshiensis ig
another tooth taxon but its smaller than siam

[steady rock]

any carchs in asia under a ton?

[sullen cairn]

shaochilong

[steady rock]

can you replace siamo in the size chart with this?

[steady rock]

YES

how much did shaochilong weigh?

[sullen cairn]

like 500kg

[woeful falcon]

1-2 slot carcharodontosauroididae

[sullen cairn]

conc and alti are the same

and lajas

[steady rock]

i had a idea for a small carch, just running and ripping off flesh from the prey and eating it after it made slight distance

[sullen cairn]

planet dinosaur flashbacks

[woeful falcon]

Yeah but two of those are more basal than how this guy looks

Idk lajas so I can't say

[white matrix]

Thoughts on Life On Our Planet? I'm looking forward to it

[steady rock]

mapusaurus

i want like, a largish raptor

like, small game and juvie eater raptor, think megalania in PoT

[sullen cairn]

pick your poison (all but three of em absolutely suck/prolly aren't raptors)

[white matrix]

Utahraptor

[steady rock]

yes because utah is in ASIA

[white matrix]

It's on vacation

[sullen cairn]

if you want asia you have goofy russian tooth or achillo

[woeful falcon]

Utah lived in europe lol

Hunted Iguanodon

[sullen cairn]

allosaurus lived in australia

[steady rock]

wait right here, dont move a muscle and dont eat eachther

[sullen cairn]

nom

[white matrix]

🍴

[steady rock]

you think people would eat megalodon fin soup?

[white matrix]

Yes and no

[woeful falcon]

I think they'd have an easier time procuring fins from other sharks

[white matrix]

A lot of people would refuse due to the unethical-ness of shark fin soup as a whole

[steady rock]

back with the raptor @sullen cairn , how big is zhenyuanlog? and does it have a skeletal?

[sullen cairn]

ashely's is prolly fine

[steady rock]

.

um, can you put that in a size chart, becasue wth is that

[woeful falcon]

Very very small.

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-walking-long-legs-gif-15271429

[steady rock]

damn, i got scammed

you can remove it and replace it with itchyovenator

[steady rock]

i actually kinda like how its like, a gradiant and slowly gets smallers

is achillbonator bigger or small then schaliong

[sullen cairn]

good bit smaller

achillo's like 300-350kg iirc

only shao sized dromaeosaur in asia is a tooth lmao

[steady rock]

so, like, im kinda stumped Carnivores 4/11
2/2 apexes
Tarbosaurus - apex bone crusher - 5.39 tons
Yangchuanosaurus - apex bleeder - 4 tons
3 mids
Itchyvenonator

4 smalls
Shaochilong - flesh tearer - 500 pounds

[woeful falcon]

Not as big but, Adasaurus?

[sullen cairn]

datanglong could be a good mid tier

[steady rock]

sure

[white matrix]

Thoughts on the Life On Our Planet Rex?

[steady rock]

could you add both and label them, i wanna see how they look

[sullen cairn]

well funny thing with datanglong

[woeful falcon]

My thoughts: it'll be like When Dinosaurs Roamed and Dinosaur Planet to WWD. Fine for what it's worth but not as good as php

[white matrix]

Rex nuzzling comparison

I feel like the LOOP Rexes could use brow ridges at least

I wonder if the different hues the Rexes have mean anything

[woeful falcon]

You know I watched WDRA the other night, and I never realized until now how hard they went on feathers for a doc from 2001

[white matrix]

"Hey turns out dinosaurs actually had feathers"

"Bet" -WDRA

[scenic flame]

By hillster04

[white matrix]

"Be there or be square"

[sullen cairn]

@steady rock random asian theropods

[light osprey]

That’s quite a mouth of teeth

[white matrix]

Those be hadro-killing chompers right there

[woeful falcon]

Could the image quality be worse

[white matrix]

I should gather all the Rexes I can from dino documentaries and put them together for comparison

Maybe include Rexy for fun

[steady rock]

i wish they had NAMES

[sullen cairn]

i have three free saves a day and I'm too lazy to mess with date and time

[light osprey]

(I was implying that it’s not good)

[sullen cairn]

left-right 1) qianzhousaurus 2) phuwiangvenator 3) yutyrannus 4) sinraptor dongi 5) sinraptor hepigensomething 6) vayuraptor
the two closest to the scalebar are metri and achillo

[woeful falcon]

Qianzhousaurus, idk, Yutyrannus, Sinraptor species 1, Sinraptor species 2, Tarbosaurus, Yangchuanosaurus, Ichthyo, that one carch- nvm

[white matrix]

Yeah LOOP's Rex seems to have more teeth than usual

[sullen cairn]

not including the four in the bottom left corner obviously

[white matrix]

I just realized I can include Dinosaur Train's Rex since DT was an educational show

[ruby patio]

I am here to point out that Dan's Yangchuanosaurus might be incorrect

Since the big one's femur might actually be longer

[white matrix]

Ignoring the stuff that had to be cartoonified, on a scale of 1-10, how accurate is DT's Rex

Iirc it didn't have lips covering the top teeth

[steady rock]

nothing

[white matrix]

Yeah figured

[ruby patio]

Here, 120 cm

[steady rock]

i want metri as the finale mid tier

[pearl briar]

6.5-7 meters long and 3.5-4.4 tonnes?
uhh... ok
thx table

[gaunt raven]

What is WDRA

[woeful falcon]

When dinosaurs roamed america

[gaunt raven]

Ah yeah that mmm me feathering in that is a wild

[steady rock]

also, add that megaraptor

[ruby patio]

How large is Ichthyovenator in this

[sullen cairn]

bout 10m
same size as lancian's just longer tail and neck

[ruby patio]

TEN METERS??

What he's big 😭 i thought he was like 7

[steady rock]

whats the megaraptor in asia tho

[sullen cairn]

phuwiangvenator

[steady rock]

alright it feels in that akward middle gap

[sullen cairn]

lancian's skeletal for context

[ruby patio]

Are you sure thats 10 meters

[bright veldt]

Ichthyovenator's 10 meters yeah, and like 2.5 tons?

[sullen cairn]

sounds bout right

even "normal" sized spinosaurids get pretty big

[bright veldt]

Spinosaurids are consistently the largest terrestrial predators in their habitats. There's only a few exceptions.

[ruby patio]

I believe they are always the largest predators in their habitats

[bright veldt]

Eh Baryonx and probably Spinosaurus got beaten out by carcharodontosaurian counterparts

[ruby patio]

I don't think a Carcharadontosaurid lived with Baryonyx?
Oh wait Neovenator did mb

[bright veldt]

Neovenator, who afaik is close to carcharodontosaurs (although exatly whether its one itself or not is debated, I personally say it's just outside of carcharodontosauridae)

[ruby patio]

I think Bary is still larger than Neo unless you scale phalanges

[bright veldt]

Neovenator's like 8 meters, and about the same weight as Bary?

[sullen cairn]

imma check that actually cause i forgot

[ruby patio]

The only example of anything being considerably larger than Spinosaurids is potentially the cf. Carcharadontosaurus material in Romualdo

[bright veldt]

I scaled up Dan's weight and got 1.8 tons (which is bigger than Bary), but you said 1.6 tons like the day after and that would be about the same size

[ruby patio]

But from what I remember thats all teeth so xD

[steady rock]

how much did metri weigh?

[bright veldt]

1.4 tons give or take

[steady rock]

ty

and phuwiangvenator?

[white matrix]

Hey does anyone know the original artist of this famous painting?

[steady rock]

um , dead

[white matrix]

That wasn't the question

[sullen cairn]

9.05m 2.3t bary vs 8.02m 1.6t neo

[steady rock]

bary solos

[sullen cairn]

wait i did math wrong 1.9t bary

[white matrix]

immediately hears two dinosaur sizes

instantly ava

[clever sable]

Well technically using the HW of terminonaris sarcosuchus does get bigger than suchomimus but using basically any other method to get a 9-9.5 meter range and about 4.5 tonnes max so the 10.6 meter estimate based on the HW of terminonaris seems unlikely or something idk

[bright veldt]

I said terrestrial for a reason

[clever sable]

I'm blind

[nocturne gazelle]

Don't know the artist, but I really like that art style.

[steady rock]

correct

[white matrix]

Ava is cringe

[steady rock]

but what was the weight of phuwiangvenator?

[sullen cairn]

bary's still larger than neo and both can get into stupid phalange crap scaling

[steady rock]

but also, iguanadon solos both

[clever sable]

I agree, the only AvA I actually care about is stuff that actually probably happened, like rex VS trike

[steady rock]

did neo vs bary not happen. . .

[sullen cairn]

how'd ya get 8m neo to 1.8t

[bright veldt]

Cause 7 meter neo prior was like 1 ton on the dot afaik?

[white matrix]

I think Neovenator would probably come out on top in most confrontations though, seeing as spinosaurids really aren’t built for combat with things of similar size

[sullen cairn]

thats still like 1.6t

[bright veldt]

lemme look more into it hang on

[sullen cairn]

1.5t with those weights but neo's a tad over 1000kg at 7m and 8m neo's more like 8.02m

[clever sable]

Probably would have left each other alone for the most part

[bright veldt]

Found it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897995109495353394/912808413325557780/Untitled1_20211123124222.png?ex=65416994&is=652ef494&hm=fac594588d39c7b091ecc37947f308ae599e89e12ad1b0aa8e94cb0cb828ce5a&

[steady rock]

i still need the weight of phuwiangvenator

[bright veldt]

1.7 tons if scaled up from 7 to 8 meters for neo

[white matrix]

Find it bruh we’re doing other things

[steady rock]

what did i do tho

[sullen cairn]

still smaller than bary

[bright veldt]

How'd you get 2.3 tons?

[sullen cairn]

i forgot a zero with that its 1.9t

hartman's is like 9.05m

[bright veldt]

Where you get the weight numbers is what im sayin

[sullen cairn]

scaling with dan's gdi

[bright veldt]

you got it on hand? (along with that more upright bary that's sexy I need for one of my things)

[steady rock]

im searching and i still cant find anything

[bright veldt]

That's still like 1.7 tons as well? How you get 1.9?

[sullen cairn]

(1595.79483) x (9.05/8.5)^3

[bright veldt]

1595?

[white matrix]

So I took a bunch of Rexes from paleo art, documentaries, educational kid shows, movies and video games with Sue as reference

[sullen cairn]

1.05 density

[bright veldt]

Gotcha

[sullen cairn]

yeah neutral hartman bary is gorgeous

[bright veldt]

gimme

[bright veldt]

Thx

[white matrix]

Sue
Unknown retro paleo art
WWD
DinoRevo
WDRA
ADW
DwSF
Dinosaur Train
Dino Dan
PHP
LOOP
JP/W
TI
PoT
PT

[sullen cairn]

and size comp cause why not

[white matrix]

Forgot to add the JFC Rex

[ruby patio]

I reckon I make a spinosaurid size chart

[sullen cairn]

phuwiang's prolly roughly ~500ishkg as well

[steady rock]

thank you for assisting me

[sullen cairn]

i like my sanity intact

[ruby patio]

Ok all the named genera

Spinosaurus cf. aegyptiacus - 14.70 meters
Suchomimus - 12.15 meters
Riparovenator - 10.56 meters
Prothahhdhhht thingy - ~10.5 meters
Baryonyx - 9.05 meters

Let me create an excel doc brb

[sullen cairn]

i have this but I'm 80% sure the prothathaltiiatlithing is oversized and i have no idea who between sergi/lancian/blame has better spinosaurid skeletals

[ruby patio]

Oh wow the protat htingy is 11.4 meters

There's also Ceratosuchops, the big Bary vert, the isle of wight thingy and all of the north african and south american Spinosaurines

[sullen cairn]

is dan's big bary vert even good still

[ruby patio]

I didnt know he had one, I scaled it myself to about 9.6 meters

[sullen cairn]

also siamosaurus and oxalaia exist

[ruby patio]

No I'm not going to lose my sanity scaling every single Asian tooth

[sullen cairn]

ooh this is nice

oh lmao

[ruby patio]

Isn't Riparo like 10.5 meters

[sullen cairn]

something like that

10.02m standing

okay that's weird

that's better

[halcyon cliff]

One-eye from Dino King?

[heady bay]

Baryonyx sure is a weird one

[ocean brook]

Ceratosuchops?

[white matrix]

Riparovenator

[ocean brook]

Does ceratosuchops even have good skeletals or is it just riparo?

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure Ceratosuchops is riparo

[ocean brook]

🤫

[heavy prairie]

what kind of nostrils do you guys prefer on theropods ?

[white matrix]

yeah i heard bout that, do we have any confirmation if its true?

[bright veldt]

AFAIK the two are distinct, it’s just one might’ve been lumped into the other genus wise. I just can’t recall which one or if any papers actually did that.

[white matrix]

Oddly specific

[heavy prairie]

yup.

[west coral]

uh, what types of nostrils are there?

[light osprey]

There’s only one valid interpretation afaik

[steady rock]

who the hell said Metriacanthosaurus lived in asia

[steady rock]

YOU 😡

[white matrix]

Amazing how big PoT Allo is compared to your average Allo

[white matrix]

The current femur in yang is like 1 metre on the skeletal, does this imply it is bigger overall or the legs aren't proportioned correctly?

[heavy prairie]

i've seen the 2 slits and the V slit like a goat's or bunny's

[light oxide]

I mean, PoT Allosaurus is Saurophaganax, so the size difference makes sense.

[clever sable]

That's because PoT is basically just sauro

[chilly knot]

nuh

[white matrix]

South african late miocene landscapes show a mix of machairodontini and metailurines, but apparently metailurines seems to be more diverse, wonder why

[stray wren]

Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator are both diagnostic, so they're both valid

[white matrix]

nvm solved it

[steady rock]

does anyone know a asian therapod thats the size of metricanothsaurus?

[stiff osprey]

sinraptor?

[white matrix]

Hey Random fun little thought, what do you think would be worse living with, an african lion (not lioness) or S. populator?

[steady rock]

im pretty sure sinraptor is the same size as yang

[stiff osprey]

I think I'd have marginally better chances of surviving a lion than a S.populator, depending on environment. Either way not very good

[steady rock]

whats what

[stiff osprey]

left to right, s.hepingensis and s.dongi

[steady rock]

i need a asian 1.4 ton therapod or close to that

[west coral]

Szechuanosaurus

[severe field]

Compare real bars with PoT bars, you will see something fun

[west coral]

Random, does every bar on your uberabatitan skeletal represent one meter?

[stiff osprey]

It does not, that individual is like 10 m long

[west coral]

ok thank god

So what do they represent?

[stiff osprey]

Relative sizes of different individuals based on a 2021 paper, but it likely overestimates the number of different individuals in the site by several times

[west coral]

So it’s one meter, but for other individuals?

[stiff osprey]

one meter but for other individuals and also none of the bars are to scale with the skeletal

The giant Uberabatitan could be anywhere from 19 to 26 m, depending on which cervical it is and how the neck is reconstructed

[west coral]

Ok i was worried since i tried to scale them according to the bars and i got a uberaba twice the size of argent

[ruby patio]

And what is wrong with that 🤩

[stiff osprey]

Go away Brazilian news headlines

[sullen cairn]

CAMPEÃO DO MUNDO

[stiff osprey]

if i wasn't so behind on my work i'd finish the uberabatitan just to make sure nobody falls for what you just posted

[ruby patio]

I eat this for breakfast

[west coral]

now it all makes sense why the fella was so big

[stiff osprey]

i'mma be honest i was so focused on mega uberabatitan i didn't even notice the 15 meter long urc

[west coral]

The mega Uberaba’s might have been my fault

but if you want to blame table I’m not stopping you

[white matrix]

Thats a huge boi

[sullen cairn]

eoabelisaurus is nifty

[stiff osprey]

that certainly is a skeletal

[sullen cairn]

one of the skeletals of all time, even

[white matrix]

Abelisaur with an elbow jumpscare

[sullen cairn]

implying eoabelisaurus is phylogenetically stable

[west coral]

TURN HIS ELBOW TO GLUE!

[sullen cairn]

i wonder how the skull would fit into spectrovenator

[steady rock]

quick, how much did achillobator weigh?

[sullen cairn]

like 300-350kg iirc

[steady rock]

and gualong?

[sullen cairn]

something around 150ishkg i'd guess

[steady rock]

whats that asian croc you suggested?

[sullen cairn]

was that me or someone else
also larramendi has guanlng at 180kg so that should prolly be fine

[steady rock]

i need that prehestoric asian mesozoic crocodile

chalawan

[clever sable]

Chalawan

[steady rock]

Carnivores 11/11
2/2 apexes
Tarbosaurus - apex bone crusher - 5.39 tons
Yangchuanosaurus - apex bleeder - 4 tons
3 mids
Itchyvenonator - fisher - 2.5 tons
Sinraptor sdongi. - brute force pack hunters - 1.4 ton
Rajasaurus - RUSHHHHHHHHHDOWWWWWWWWWWWWN - 1 ton

4 smalls
Shaochilong - flesh tearer - 500 pounds
Phuwiangvenator - i love eating juvies and being freddy krueger - 500 pounds
Achillobator - 350 pounds
Gualong - annoying ankle biter that can someone break bones - 150 pounds

CROCODILE
Chalawan - crocodile - no clue

[sullen cairn]

kg not lb

[steady rock]

whats that

[sullen cairn]

kilograms
we use metric in this house

[steady rock]

im american

[sullen cairn]

you'd need to convert em then
500kg is not 500lb

[steady rock]

i fixed it

[clever sable]

Chalawan is about 2500 KG iirc? I could be wrong but it's definitely around that number

[steady rock]

what the hell is kg 💔

[sullen cairn]

kilograms
thousand grams

[clever sable]

Kilograms

[sullen cairn]

you are unironically so real for that sentence though

[steady rock]

you know what would be so real? making a size chart of my carni roster

[sullen cairn]

i need a chalawan skeletal

[clever sable]

1,000 KG is 1 metric tonne and 1 metric tonne is about 1.1 US tons

[clever sable]

They don't exist

[steady rock]

im to american to understand

[sullen cairn]

what can i skullswap this with

[clever sable]

It's closest relative is sarcosuchus though so here's a sarcosuchus silhouette

[sullen cairn]

so lambor sarco headswap or something

[clever sable]

Randoms sarco is better as it's already closer in size (randoms sarco is the one I just posted)

[sullen cairn]

whats SL

[clever sable]

What does SL mean?

[sullen cairn]

skull length
chalawan seems to be ~1.5m