paleontology

[crude latch]

Looks like that ones around 6 ft in height?

[sullen cairn]

About 3m at the hip

[crude latch]

Teeny guy

[sullen cairn]

It’s the size of a rhinoceros

[ruby patio]

When there's a megaraptoran that's 3 tonnes "collosal"

When there's a tyrannosaurid thats 3 tonnes "teeny guy"

#double standards #tyrannosaurid lives matter

[light osprey]

Fr, what the hell is this Albertosaurus slander

[west coral]

slander thanatothirestes

nothing good about that fella

Speaking of fellas, is there any, at all, good reference for Hypsirhophus

[sullen cairn]

First one has no scale bars but I’d imagine gives a vague idea

[ruby patio]

How large was Muttaburrasaurus

non hadrosaur ornithischians are so underrepresented 😢

[rose thorn]

2.8 tons

[past comet]

Juravenator

Go

[sullen cairn]

Pretty fossil

[nocturne gazelle]

Stego plates be spikey

[steady rock]

never forgetting that one dinosaur documentry where 2 velo's took down a full grown adult charnosaurus

[crude latch]

Charnosaurus? I prob know abt it just don’t remember off the top of my head

[steady rock]

aw sorry. Charonosaurus

[crude latch]

Still not ringing a bell DX lemme just look it up

Oh wth that guys fire how did 2 velos take one down

[woeful falcon]

Movie magic

[rose thorn]

They were Saurornithoides, not Velociraptor, but the point still stands. Dromeosaurs/troodontids weren’t taking on massive grown hadrosaurs

It’s even funnier considering the two likely never met

[snow python]

Wasn't Dacentrurus larger?

[sullen cairn]

Yup

[sullen cairn]

as usual i am sincerely questioning how larramendi calculated this thing at 2m larger than the holotype

[lean egret]

why exactly are species names lowercase? i can’t find an exact reason why on google

[sullen cairn]

prolly to avoid confusion with generic names (and it looks better)

[tranquil quartz]

In the scientific world, the scientific names of animals are capitalized using binomial nomenclature, which is a system that uses Latin words to classify living organisms. The structure uses two words to construct the classification: the Genus name and the species name.
The first letter of the Genus name is always capitalized and the species name is always lowercase and the full name is always italicized.

Just found this online. I think its also just a rule of the English language and the Capitalisation system.

[storm heron]

I just realized, look at how broad Albertavenator's skull is

That is Jurassic Park Velociraptor right there.

[sullen cairn]

tbf it's almost all reconstructed

[storm heron]

True, though, is it possible to make the skull thinner

[sullen cairn]

i don't even know what a normal troodontid skull looks like in ventral so I am not one to answer

[storm heron]

Well this is a dorsal view of Zanabazar by GetAwayTrike.

[sullen cairn]

i suppose it does seem a good bit wider even posteriorly

[storm heron]

The preserved skull fragment of Albertavenator does suggest a proportionally broader skull yea, Im curious how deep it would be.

[lean egret]

So there’s no real reason for it?

[sullen cairn]

after the shocking revelation that larramendi did indeed completely screw up scaling a partial skeleton, we're left with a ~1600kg neovenator and ~3300kg broadly average iguanodon

so roughly lion vs grevy's zebra type size disparity going on

[tranquil quartz]

Pretty sure the reason for it is just the rules of capitalisation

[lean egret]

How so

[pearl briar]

guys
quick question, is this;
A) Albert?
B) Gorgo?
C) Dasp?

[coral dragon]

looks like dasp

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure it’s Albert

[heady thunder]

Albert, very spiky

[coral dragon]

keratin horns look like alberto

[white matrix]

Thats alberto

[warm temple]

Why not Gorgo???

[hallow spear]

gorgo is alberto

[white matrix]

Gorgo isnt valid, its basically just alberto and nothing else

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-meme-based-gif-25071581

[west coral]

added C. nasicornis, C. magicornis, S. armatus, Hypsirhophus, and Epanterias

[heady thunder]

Is there an allo bigger then torvo in that chart or are my eyes playing tricks?

[storm heron]

Probably Saurophaganax

[heady thunder]

There are 2 of them

Theres a big allo thing near the stegos and one behind campto

[vocal breach]

I think the one behind campto is epanterias

[snow python]

Which one was larger MSNM 4047V or NHMUK VP R 16421?

[heady thunder]

Whats that? Isnt that just a dubious specimen lumped with allo?

[vocal breach]

No clue

[heady thunder]

Real

[vocal breach]

It could just be lumped in with Allo or sauro tbh

[west coral]

Infront of Campto is Allo, behind is Saurophaganax

Epan is all the way at the back

[vocal breach]

Epan is bigger than I thought

[light oxide]

So . . . From what I've just recently been told, apparently we do have a Otodus megalodon skeleton, somewhat -- was in a private collection for a long while. It is now in a museum in Zurich.

[heady thunder]

W?

[wary panther]

We have meg verts?

[white matrix]

Makes me curious how they fossilize considering they were probably made of cartilage

[next moss]

I think they are pretty much around the same size right ?

[elder plinth]

Share the DOI

[ancient crystal]

Iirc shark spines are calcified cartilage and not pure cartilage so its easier (but still rare) for it to fossilize

[west coral]

Tendaguru is way less crowded than morrison

[white matrix]

this just motivates me to cover all of the sopas formation of the late pleistocene

essentially where smilodon populator orginiated from

Seems camelids we're frequent around these part's

[light osprey]

I wonder why 🤔

[compact leaf]

is big purple that one comedically huge ‘barosaurus’?

[west coral]

Yes

[compact leaf]

take that guy with a grain of salt there’s a decent chance it’s supersaurus (there’s like 3 giant barosaurus and so far all of them have been super)

[west coral]

At least it’s not fadenos mythical 53m baro

[compact leaf]

this is true

[west coral]

I have it set as BYU 9024

[clever sable]

Only the top 2 are baru, the third one is super now and the others aren't anything

[west coral]

Oh if the top 2 are baro then big baro is fine

It’s at ≈45m

[compact leaf]

that one got downsized by Curtice but I forget what he downsized it to

[white matrix]

Was there a source for this?

[clever sable]

There is a paper re assigning the third one somewhere and the bottom 2 were referred to baro and dubious grounds and are from a COMPLETELY different area where we have never found baro before, @stiff osprey probably has the thing re assigning it as he was the one who informed me about this

[light osprey]

Downsizes bringing sanity

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EixkhemV1o

[iron halo]

Love that dude’s content, really hoping he gets more popular

[compact leaf]

Curtice either brings sanity or complete insanity depending on the mood he’s in, he’s cooking some insanity right now though

which reminds me @stiff osprey if you’re not too busy could you help me with getting some measurements?

[stiff osprey]

Not atm, I am currently in hell (a reef)

[light oxide]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[west coral]

Man, having a 3 a day save limit for pixlr sucks

[sullen cairn]

Change the date in settings it’ll reset it

[compact leaf]

he’s working on brachiosaurus alamosaurus and supersaurus right now, no good can come of this

[west coral]

👍

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

What’s he doing to my scrumptious Alamosaurus

[compact leaf]

hopefully sorting out if there's something else in there that isn't alamo

poor alamo already got hit with the downsize hammer, it looks like he's actually going to upsize brachi though

this is all based off the little hints he likes to drop but he did say brachi stuff probably won't be coming until next year

[west coral]

Anyone got a good reference for yingshanosaurus?

[wary panther]

Rah

Sadly, I have nothing to talk about

But in the most polite manner I may ask, @clever sable, the image of the Carchardontosaurus has no bite marks, do you have another image?

[woeful falcon]

the horse is dead you can stop beating it

[west coral]

lourinha

[deft sigil]

@wary panther This channel is for educational purposes. Please do not bring personal issues or dramas into this server, and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our #rules

[wary panther]

oh no, the mods are coming

sigh, guess it is the end.

Guess there simply is only 1 thing to do

Oh great Raptor Jesus, is this truly it?

Alright mods, you can take me

[keen forum]

Molnar, R. E. (2001). "Theropod paleopathology: a literature survey". Mesozoic vertebrate life: 342.

"This skull bears a circular puncture wound in the nasal and "an abnormal projection of bone on the antorbital rim"

"A later study theorized that this was the result of craniofacial bites"

Rothschild, Bruce; Tanke, Darren (2005). "Theropod paleopathology: state-of-the-art review". The Carnivorous Dinosaurs (1st ed.). Indianapolis: Indiana University Press. p. 351.

[wary panther]

wait what

[keen forum]

you can possible read more about where the bite mark and injuries on the carch here

[wary panther]

Is this the good, or bad ending?

[keen forum]

also yeah no i'm not the owner that would be Matt

[woeful falcon]

they're doing something better actually, giving you a potential source of Carch face biting

Well, talk about other things

and I'm too dumb to really talk about morphology lol. But anything. Anything not carch

[wary panther]

No, I have to do more research before talking, Im clearly outclassed on the paleo chat

[woeful falcon]

what would you say is your favorite kind of dinosaur

[wary panther]

I don't know yet

[woeful falcon]

the tyrannosaurs are mine

[wary panther]

But, I'm not going to stay here any longer, If I were to return make so that it be best. So long chat, I'll be back one day, but right now, Im just not ready

[woeful falcon]

o7

[white matrix]

at first i didn't know what you meant by this till i realized its a salute

[wary panther]

I might be smart, but not that much. But also let it be known I had been studying Eric Snively's studies when I had been in the 7th grade and read Spinosaurus paper ibraham had made, and yes, I knew who random dinos was, but never talked to them

Arigato Chat, see you soon.

[white matrix]

well mods are deleting messages so good bye

[wary panther]

Well now, that would be a shame wouldn't it..................?

[woeful falcon]

what's your favorite group of dinos, TK

[white matrix]

probably megaraptorans or iguanadontids

[woeful falcon]

hard to not like the megaraptorans when a lot of them look the same as a consequence of their fragmentary nature lol

and it just so happens that they look cool which makes that a benefit

[white matrix]

fair enough i just find them aesthetically pleasing and the long arms are very interesting

[plain stirrup]

how likely was it for mosasaurus and archelon to cross paths?

[white matrix]

Lemme check

[bright veldt]

Archelon didn't coexist with mosasaurus afaik, but it did coexist with earlier ones.

[plain stirrup]

was there atleast any protostegids that existed along mosa though?

[white matrix]

They both apparently existed in the Campanian but I dunno if they coexisted at the same time during that stage or even in the same locales

[plain stirrup]

php made it seem like they did but idk

[white matrix]

Tbf the turtle in PHP is never actually specified to be Archelon, it's just the closest thing to that turtle's appearance but as far as I know it could simply just be a speculative protostegid

[hallow spear]

It’s probably there because it’s late Cretaceous

[sullen cairn]

i think chonk and i talked about archelon temporal ranges a while ago
could probably find something about that if you dig through chat

and fox hills had a mosasaurus iirc so they were in NA in the late maastrichtian at least, wouldn't be surprised if they were there earlier as well

[light osprey]

It’s reasonably inferred A. ischyros continues into the early Maastrichtian, I think further temporal range hinges on the size of the WIS. It’s disputed so pick your side I think.

Considering Protostegidae continue to prosper up to the K/P boundary i for one am in favour of its presence

[sullen cairn]

also mosasaurus appeared in the WIS during the campanian

nvm this is a way easier answer than i expected

[sullen cairn]

the two both overlapped in places like pierre shale, so very likely

as in almost certainly

[white matrix]

What are y'alls thoughts on bringing back creatures like mammoths? IMO On one hand, it could help restore ecosystems and provide valuable scientific knowledge. On the other hand, it raises ethical questions about tampering with nature and diverting resources from conserving endangered species. There's also the risk of unintended consequences, which including potential harm to modern ecosystems.

[bright veldt]

It's half n half. I'd rather we bring back species we know went extinct by our hands. Cause with mammoths, we don't really know, and with the longer time goes on, the less and less likely that idea is true.

[white matrix]

I'd say personally I'd start with a thylacine considering it was a recent lost (well not that recent but relatively) and see how that goes considering the fact it also went extinct due to human hunting

[compact leaf]

tracking down sauropod neck vertebra measurements is more difficult than I anticipated

[sullen cairn]

"oh there's an osteology that's great I'll just find the measurements there"
checks year of publication

[compact leaf]

it should not be this difficult

I finally found an exact measurement for one but the other has some scale bar funkiness and eyeballing involved, which roughly confirms my suspicions

[sullen cairn]

and yet here we are

[compact leaf]

basically Curtice is sitting on some seriously large brachiosaurus vertebrae but we won't get to know anything else about it for a while

[sullen cairn]

you should steal it

[compact leaf]

I trust Curtice to throw the sauropod world into chaos on his own

what I really want more of is those cabao turiasaur teeth, we need to know more

[sullen cairn]

...and their implications for other anachronistic survivors of the dominant upper jurassic sauropod guilds, particularly [REDACTED]

[compact leaf]

I wasn't going to say it, I won't let you bait me

[sullen cairn]

...after all the asian carcharodontosaurids survived well into the turonian, and we have multiple cretaceous asian records of [REDACTED]

...so it wouldn't be unsurprising...

[light osprey]

I’d hope the people who work on this sort of stuff would have the foresight to acknowledge these potential problems adequately or even avoid them in the first place, so I see no reason as to not try and restore the Earth’s biogeography

[west coral]

i have a vehement dislike of Omeisaurus now

[viscid surge]

If we did something wrong we need to at least pretend we feel bad about it so mammoths, passenger pigeons, thylacines etc should all come back if possible

[white matrix]

Id agree with passenger pigeons and thylacines, mammoths leaving me iffy a bit, cause as scanova said we should rather bring back stuff we know went extinct because of us

[heady thunder]

Mammoths are more popular, so they can gather more attention, and therefore, more money for other resurrections

Dinosaurs obviously would be the best for pr, but thats kinda, impossible

[light osprey]

It’s also pretty evident that we are the main cause for a lot of the now extinct Pleistocene megafauna.

So, idk why the Mammoth would be particularly problematic

[bright veldt]

We are not

[white matrix]

I don’t think British hunters were around the time as mammoths

[bright veldt]

Climate Change is the primarily result of the vast majority of the megafauna extinctions. Habitat destruction by us played a part but we weren’t a primarily contributor by any means. We coexisted with said megafauna for like 50 thousand years before they all kick the bucket rather suddenly.

The only place where it might’ve been us was probably with some taxa in the Americas. Maybe

[white matrix]

Huh if I’m correct didn’t thylacines hunt kangaroos? In Tasmania btw

[bright veldt]

We don’t know much about thylacine ecology, outside of probably being ambush predators.

[woeful falcon]

I'm of the same opinion as scanova. Those we directly affected, especially modern humans, are more ethical candidates for any sort of "resurrection". Go beyond that and it becomes less about ethics and more about spectacle

And I do not like using animals for spectacle

And if we are being honest with ourselves, mammoths are on the mind primarily for spectacle

[light osprey]

The only project I’m aware of the Mammoth resurrection correlating to is the Pleistocene Park, which isn’t really a spectacle project persay

[junior dawn]

that project name definitely doesnt help

[woeful falcon]

Not wrong lol

I think the notion of bringing back mammoths from extinction, that statement alone is a statement of spectacle

I'm very outwardly against the chickenosaurus crap

Not to digress but its similar. And that's not even ambiguously unethical to me as resurrecting mammoth's would be. That's just awful

[white matrix]

Think we also have a mummified mammoth specimen (baby) in Russia as well

[compact leaf]

I don’t think pleistocene park is outright unethical that’s a little extreme imo there is a legitimate scientific inquiry behind it, there is definitely spectacle involved but that’s how you get funding for other projects

there’s a reason every new dinosaur wants to be the largest or special for some other reason, that’s how you get funding it’s always been that way

[bright veldt]

It also doesn’t help that, compared to other stuff we actually wiped out, mammoths have a plethora of material to work with.

[compact leaf]

with that said I think there are animals that take a priority over stuff like mammoths

[white matrix]

Thylacine would be good probably?

[bright veldt]

Unlike, say, the giant moa which is just a foot. Or some extinct species whose only remains left are drawing or paintings.

[west coral]

Thylacine, Pinta island tortoise, the one oryx that was already resurrected, and a few more that have gone extinct in the last century

would be good for starters

[sullen dust]

Giant moa and haasts eagle would be cool

[west coral]

Then you could go further and further back, like stellars sea cows, the dodo, elephant birds, such and so

[sullen dust]

But idk if that's very possible, u would probably need more of a sort of replacement

And for the mammoth thing it's much more plausible to just get a wooly Asian elephant

[light osprey]

Climate change was more of an exacerbating factor in these trends in some localities. Concurrently evident with the persistence of plenty of megafaunal taxa throughout the interglacial periods of the Pleistocene, and even the correlative megafaunal population crashes on the Australian continent, which was not particularly marred by the transitional climate of the late Pleistocene. It is also rather curious under whatever pretences you want to assume for the major contributing cause, that African and Southeast Asian populations appeared vastly less affected by these climatic change.

[white matrix]

extinctions resulted from a complex interplay of factors, and attributing them solely to climate change oversimplifies a multifaceted process

[light osprey]

Looks like you got the best of both worlds

[light oxide]

Actually . . . If I remember correctly, we do have an old ancient giant moa egg that some people said could be used to help bring the giant moa back.

[white matrix]

was found in a Māori burial site yea?

[light oxide]

I think? Not sure on where exactly it was found, but I did hear about it.

Let me go check real quick--

[proper panther]

Paleontology

[white matrix]

indeed

[light oxide]

Yep, it was from the Maori burial site -- it's ~700 years old, I think:

[sullen dust]

Antique omelette

[west coral]

added names to the morrison just so it isn’t a jumbled mess of dinosaurs

[steady rock]

i need a list of desert/whatever is close to a desert prehestoric mesozoic formations

[bright veldt]

Argentina for a good chunk of the Late Cretaceous was desert

Candeleros and Huincul for example, homes of Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Argentinosaurus, and others, were desert environments

You also got the Flaming Cliffs of Mongolia. Nemegt wasn’t a desert but other formations like Djadokhta were

[compact leaf]

pretty much anything in mongolia at least had desert nearby, like nemegt itself wasn’t a desert but it bordered more desert like environments

[light osprey]

Lago Colhue Huapi is one of the most interesting arid environments of the Cretaceous imo

[sullen cairn]

Although Huincul’s substantially less arid than candeleros
iirc incin’s said something about it

Elliot and kayenta were also pretty arid iirc

[west coral]

Morrison had arid parts too, no?

[sullen cairn]

Kenton was dry as hell

[light osprey]

Bayan Mandahu I suppose?

[sullen cairn]

I think Bajo de la Carpa has aeolian deposits regionally as well

Marilia was arid or semi-arid too afaik

[light osprey]

Is Subashi arid?

[compact leaf]

yeah morrison got drier the further inland you got, it covered a pretty huge spectrum of environments just because of how broad it was

[light osprey]

Can attest, the Morrison Formation encompasses a huge geographic area

[little mauve]

High global temp averages makes at least seasonal aridity almost the norm for the Mesozoic

[bronze storm]

A gift from the fortunate 🙏

[warped spindle]

What are the largest prosauropods that were bipedal? I can't find a good source for sizes of each

[sullen cairn]

elliot giant

[sullen cairn]

which is this undescribed lad

[warped spindle]

Alright, what is the largest "described" ones then? Thank you for this however

Google is not giving me any good leads

[sullen cairn]

prolly plateosaurus or yunnanoasurus

[toxic pewter]

incredibly underrated animal 😭

[warped spindle]

Thank you

[toxic pewter]

I think yunna is bigger by a little

[warped spindle]

I'll keep my eye on the undescribed one, but I guess I'll go with Yunnanosaurus

[frosty anvil]

Fr

[toxic pewter]

More underrated animals:

[white matrix]

Discokeryx is an interesting one

[toxic pewter]

Discokeryx is fr a pachy giraffe

[steady rock]

whats the largest jurassic prosauropod?

[toxic pewter]

The dodo is physically underrated lmao

[toxic pewter]

prolly yunnano

[compact leaf]

it depends what you mean by prosauropod, they don't really use the term anymore because the line of where something starts and stops being one is pretty fuzzy

[steady rock]

oh

[compact leaf]

I mean if you just mean a bipedal sauropodomorph then a lot of people still use it so it's no biggie

[sullen cairn]

in which case still yunan (why is liams so big like unless i screwed up its way bigger than siw's)

[warped spindle]

Yes this

[storm heron]

I am curious whether there were any studies on the climate of the La Colonia formation

[white matrix]

Iiam as in Beagliam?

[sullen cairn]

ye

[sullen cairn]

Near the end of the Cretaceous in central and southern Patagonia, marine transgressions favored oceanic climates that influenced the composition of the vegetation. In general, the Patagonian paleofloras were dominated by angiosperms, suggesting warm-temperate to subtropical humid conditions for the region [113]. Notably, the frost intolerance of the modern analogues of some plants found in the La Colonia Formation sediments—such as Salviniaceae, Marsiliaceae, Araceae, and palms—also indicates a tropical to subtropical climate.

[storm heron]

Ah, thank you for the answer, hmm, sub-tropical climate.

[sullen cairn]

there's also a pollen paper from this year i'm desperately trying to find a pdf of

[light osprey]

Exciting stuff

[storm heron]

"Oceanic climates": for a second, a funny image of a Carnotaurus swimming in its oceanic environment was in my head.

[sullen cairn]

it is a marine deposit

[light osprey]

Check the Koppen Classification stuff for what an Oceanic Climate represents

[sand gyro]

I can smell so many 🤓🤓🤓 in this chat hmp

[white matrix]

I mean this is science/paleontology what do you expect

[sand gyro]

And I like it

[sand gyro]

Actually palentogy isn't scientecr

[light osprey]

Did some Googling, maybe something like the Rio de la Plata climate for La Colonia, or just Sub-Tropical Patagonia

[sand gyro]

That was a Non funny and stupid joke and god is this cool down long

[white matrix]

It’s under one of the many fields of science, wdym

[sand gyro]

I know I'm not an idiot

[white matrix]

But you just said paleontology isn’t science???

[sand gyro]

I mean if you would of read this

[white matrix]

Ah missed it, mb

[sand gyro]

It's alr

So what do I do really? I usually debate in my GC but no one's online 😦

[white matrix]

I mean you can bring up a topic and everyone will eventually respond with their on insights on said topic (obviously being related to paleo)

[sand gyro]

Ok then

Spino>Rex

This is clearly a joke a t rex would obviously destroy a spinosaurus with mid diff

[sand gyro]

What do you think about my opinion ?

[white matrix]

just a hint animal v animal debates aren’t what most folkes around these parts are interested in

[sand gyro]

I usually do that in my GC that's kinda odd to me

[sullen cairn]

added insight: la colonia is wetter and more vegetated than a literal desert
very cool

[sand gyro]

Wow people smarter than me sweet

[white matrix]

It’s mostly stuff about ecology, stratigraphy, biomechanics, specimens, and taxonomy

[sand gyro]

Wow

[sullen cairn]

this chat is very smart and home to frequent nuanced and informed discussion

[sand gyro]

I can see that very clearly lol

[sullen cairn]

i am not being sarcastic or making that up

i am very very serious

[sand gyro]

I know I scrolled up and saw a lot of facts

[light osprey]

Speaking of climate, you think the Valdivian Forests would be a good analogue to the Chorrillo?

[sullen cairn]

chorrillo had cloud forest-esque business going on iirc

[light osprey]

Sheesh, that makes finding something similar more difficult

[white matrix]

It’s a bit tricky at the start but you’ll eventually get it

[sand gyro]

Hm

[light osprey]

Okay I found something; Serra do Mar Forests

[sand gyro]

What's that?

[white matrix]

Coastal forest

[light osprey]

An ecoregion of the Atlantic Forest

[sand gyro]

Oh

[sand gyro]

I'll see if I can discover dinosaurs I've never even heard about

[white matrix]

good luck

[sand gyro]

Suspicious

[sullen cairn]

@light osprey

[white matrix]

Yea I don’t think anyone here plans to send malware into another homies computer

[sand gyro]

I won't be able to learn all the 700 species of dinosaurs today but maybe some other lol

[light osprey]

Looks like someone already did all the work

[sand gyro]

Oh I know those 2

[white matrix]

Thanks to Table I’m getting better I think

[sand gyro]

In pretty sure the red ones the ancestor of a pig?

And the other ones related to elephants very cool indeed 👍

[white matrix]

Eh sort of entelodonts are actually closer to whales/cetaceans than they are to pigs.

and paraceratherium is an ancestor of rhinos not elephants

[sand gyro]

Sus=Pig

[sand gyro]

I said that very wrong

I always wondered why they were related to rhinos but it's nickname is Horned Beast

I can't find any dinosaurs that I don't know about

[sullen cairn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dinosaur_genera

[sand gyro]

😮

[sand gyro]

Wait Wikipedia is a trustable source? I thought it only gave cap then facts

[sullen cairn]

wikipedia's generally fine (most of everything besides size and sometimes dating is good)
if something seems off you can always check the citation

but pretty much every wikipedia dino article has its information pulled from some published source

except for pycno's dating
pycno's wikipedia dating is very very bad

[sand gyro]

The thing is if you are using it as a source to get information from it everything it says will probably be correct to the person reading it?

[sullen cairn]

generally the information is correct yes

[storm heron]

Pffft, what would be the correct dating of Pycnonemosaurus

[sand gyro]

Who's this guy?

[sullen cairn]

imo wikipedia's most valuable use is just finding references quickly

[white matrix]

Another pal in the channel

[sullen cairn]

strictly campanian i'll pull up the papers

[sand gyro]

I've used Wikipedia to studie fukioraptor and it indeed was in japan

[white matrix]

Couldn’t someone just actually take the time to fix pycnos dating on the wiki page?

[sand gyro]

So I guess you're right

[light osprey]

Guess I was on to something with the temperate clouded forests

[woeful falcon]

I use wikipedia all the time for general quick information

[white matrix]

I just use it to find sources that’s been cited

[woeful falcon]

so long as you know how to navigate it, it's not problematic

[sand gyro]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukuiraptor

[white matrix]

Gotta love megaraptorans

[sand gyro]

My favorite genus of dinosaur is the spinosaurids

[sullen cairn]

overlying cambambe formation begins deposition around campanian-maastrichtian boundary

deposition of underlying quilombinho occured late-santonian-early campanian, which together places bom jardim as exclusively campanian

[sand gyro]

Table is like that one smart kid in class He/She sits down with you and has a 24 hour non boring, good, fun, And interesting tutor session

[sullen cairn]

i mostly just talk about abelisaurids

[sand gyro]

I've never heard of those tbh

[white matrix]

He’s the abelisaurid scaler

[light osprey]

Unfortunately so

[sullen cairn]

carnotaurus, majungasaurus and co

[woeful falcon]

dinosaurs like Carnotaurus and Majungasa- yeah

[sand gyro]

OH

[west coral]

he is the abelisaurid

[sullen cairn]

ya'll can't hide from the nearly 10m indosuchus

[sand gyro]

Mapusaurus is overrated 🥶

[sullen cairn]

taurovenator superior 💪

[white matrix]

How many meters does franoys have Kenyan giant at currently?

[stiff osprey]

11

[sullen cairn]

blud was waiting to pounce on that

[storm heron]

Ah, many thanks once again.

[sand gyro]

They hunted argentinosaurus indom must've had Mapusaurs DNA in the mix as well lol

[west coral]

random appears from the shadows once again

[stiff osprey]

i may have failed to find a snake, but I can find franoys mentioned

[white matrix]

Fr Blud was just waiting for someone to ask that once abelisaurids were mentioned

[sullen cairn]

wait what happened with a snake

[sand gyro]

Sizzle

[stiff osprey]

i went out to look for one. Did not find it

[white matrix]

What type

[storm heron]

Where I come from, you don't find snakes, they find you.

[light osprey]

was the adamantina material the other supposed big Maastrichtian Abelisaur?

[stiff osprey]

Either pit vipers or the little snail eating ones with the giant eyes. Found a ton of froge instead

[sullen cairn]

the adamantina material is the big abelisaur, may or may not be maastrichtian

[sand gyro]

I sent the wrong thing my bad

[plain stirrup]

2 Questions?
how fast was psittacosaurus?
and was it agile?

[light osprey]

For know, we say yes 🙏

[west coral]

Adamantina material is the premaxilla, right?

[white matrix]

There are snake species that eat snails? what rock have I been living under

[sullen cairn]

yup, urc 44-r
if you want to do funky adamantina divisions its the something do piexe formation

roughly ~10m range

[sand gyro]

Might be dumb but I think it looks like a overraptor

[sullen cairn]

give or take cause its literally a premaxilla without good figures

[storm heron]

12m Abelisaur when

[stiff osprey]

they look fing hilarious

anyway uhhhh abelisaurids

[sullen cairn]

i've almost finished the every named abelisaurid chart (including nomen dubia and nomen nuda)

[light osprey]

Sounds like a plausible range for our African friend. I think

As in the range of genetic variation, not the specimen itself

[sand gyro]

Jesus christ

[west coral]

indets too?

[white matrix]

No one can stop table when it comes to abelisaurid scaling

[sullen cairn]

real

[stiff osprey]

ah. I remember him

[storm heron]

You can with a lot of sizes with that premaxilla

[sullen cairn]

just named ones

[storm heron]

Speaking of scaling, what size did you roughly get with Thanos?

[light osprey]

Betasuchus

[sand gyro]

Then godzilla fan base just spawns

[west coral]

That is a horrifying size for an abelisaurid

[sullen cairn]

~3-4m depending on what you scale with

[storm heron]

Dinosaurs from Netherlands are always welcomed.

[storm heron]

Ah, I see.

[white matrix]

Any theropods that could have lived in ethiopia?

[sullen cairn]

why is larramendi's betasuchus 1m longer than taracosaurus when its femur is only 1.0085x larger

[clever sable]

What is the largest non azhdarchid pterosaur?

[sand gyro]

I thought of a funny joke to say but nvm cause this is a serious chat

[sullen cairn]

does making it a noasaurid seriously just add on an extra meter

[storm heron]

Must have used the longest Abelisaur they can find: Majungasaurus or Noasaur yea

[white matrix]

or am I looking in the wrong places

[white matrix]

Wasn’t it thalassodromeus itself?

[light osprey]

Probably the same stuff in they Lapurr Sandstone, depending on if Ethiopia is underwater during the Maastrichtian.

[white matrix]

Interesting anything from the Jurassic?

[light osprey]

Not my area of interest
So idk

[sand gyro]

Brachisaurid hmm

[sullen cairn]

prolly tropeognathus or some other ornithocheirid if i had to guess

[white matrix]

Oh iirc wasn’t there like an acrocanthosaurus sp tooth found lmfao

[sullen cairn]

acro stuff's only in the US as well as a cf. acrocanthosaurus tooth in korea

[white matrix]

Pretty sure Mortimer has one in Ethiopia as well

[sand gyro]

Sorry we will have to give the acrocanthosaurs back to the K-T

[west coral]

that’s the second carnosaur to have a random tooth attributed to it from somewhere in asia

[white matrix]

[light osprey]

Speaking of random material, possible Tarbosaurus Asian range (?) with some “Tyrannosaurus” material in western Russia

[sullen cairn]

Is the shandong thing the other wangshi tyrannosaur?

Cause that was mentioned as potentially being referable to tarbosaurus (which would decently extend its temporal bounds)

[light osprey]

I think so

[sullen cairn]

It’d be cool if that abstract could like
Do something

[light osprey]

Although Wikipedia tells me the formation it’s found from its latest campanian-early maastrichtian

[mystic meadow]

https://youtu.be/lQDjVkTxlrU?si=iJLWO2HJ_nSubfgf watch it

[sullen cairn]

Zhucheng lived before latest campanian

[light osprey]

Implying it’s more likely to be?

[sullen cairn]

73.5 Ma age is from a younger layer than zhucheng’s quarry so something before then

why is xenotarsosaurus like the same size as aucasaurus

that feels wrong

[west coral]

all I know about Xenotarsosaurus is that is has the stupidest cool name ever

You can’t tell me Xenotarsosaurus doesn’t sound badass, but all it means is weird ankle lizard

[sullen cairn]

i was gonna say on the contrary strange tarsus lizard is a stupid name

[white matrix]

Can someone explain to me the current situation with Microraptor and whether it glided or flew

[sullen cairn]

it flew

[west coral]

funny how such a complicated question could have such a simple answer

[iron halo]

Tbf it was a simple question that was just worded lengthily

Could’ve just been worded like “Did Microraptor glide or fly”

[light osprey]

You could also give a more wordy reply as well

[sand gyro]

Microraptor never flee

It was mostly a glider like a sugar glider probably I don't think it could of flyed though

[sullen cairn]

hence the alula

multiple abstracts from this year acknowledge it would've been proficient at powered flight

so current consensus is it could fly

[white matrix]

Now the question is for how long

[white matrix]

Interesting, I wonder if the planned playstyle for Micro will change according to these findings

Probably but something to think about

[iron halo]

Do we know what position the hind legs would be in when micro flew? Would they be facing downwards or would they be more splayed out

[white matrix]

I believe the idea is they'd be like a biplane

[iron halo]

So like, overlapping?

[white matrix]

But like obviously the leg wings are further back

[light osprey]

The more birdy the Microraptorines the better I guess

[sullen cairn]

man

[white matrix]

Abelisaurs?

[sullen cairn]

yup

every one thats been giving some sort of name beyond its catalogue number

[white matrix]

Even the Kenyan Giant?

[sullen cairn]

that's the biggest guy in the chart

[white matrix]

Just making sure

[rose thorn]

(Weakly) Powered flight for Microraptor is probable

[dusky prairie]

Does anybody know what campto was doing with its arms?

Like there are previous depictions of it being quadrupedal we are all sure that that’s outdated and wrong?

[nocturne gazelle]

The stuff I've read said biped most of the time but would possibly feed while quadrupedal.

[dusky prairie]

That’s what I was thinking. Like that would make sense to me. Camptosaurus was known its bent back and I’ve heard sources saying there front legs would have been good at baring weight. So I could see campto eating stuff on the ground and being bent over a lot so it might has well have helped support it’s weight a little bit with its front legs. But I don’t know.

I like the idea of semi- quadrupedal campto. If we could have the running animation be bipedal but the slow walking and crouching animation being quadrupedal that would be really cool.

[nocturne gazelle]

I could certainly see something like that working for campto. I certainly think it would at least be able to support its weight for a short amount of time. It just likely wouldn't keep moving that way as it's preferred method of movement.

[sullen cairn]

9 – Elemgasem nubilus – Scaling with reconstructed femur/tibia length yields shorter length
11 – Rugops primus – Shorter estimate exists that utilizes smaller reconstructed skull
16 – cf. Loncosaurus argentinus – Scaling with Majungasaurines yields shorter length
18 – “Carnosaurus” – Scaling with Majungasaurines yields shorter length
19 – Viavenator exonni – Scaling with solely axial elements yields longer length

it is done

[light osprey]

I like how out of place the Tarascosaurus silhouette is

[sullen cairn]

i really should just copy paste the one i'm using for betasuchus and genusaurus but like... i like how the eofauana one looks (why is standing at an angle )

[white matrix]

How long did this take geez

[sullen cairn]

i started a day or two ago

i already had/edited skeletals for most of em beforehand

[ruby patio]

Where is the URC thing

[sullen cairn]

this is just named/kinda named things

[ruby patio]

But what if the URC thing is Pyconemosaurus -
yeah i'll just walk myself out of the room

[ruby patio]

To appease you, may I tempt you with the prospect of doing a chart of spinosaurids now

[sullen cairn]

Pycnonemosaurus' temporal constraints aren't well-defined beyond a broad Campanian age.
In that same timeframe, Laramidia saw the appearance of: Lythronax, Dynamoterror, Teratophoneus, another likely Kaiparowits taxon, Bistahieversor, Gorgosaurus libratus, another likely species of Gorgosaurus, Nanuqsaurus, Thanatothotheristes, Daspletosaurus torosus, Daspletosaurus horneri, and Tyrannosaurus? mcraensis.

[ruby patio]

Um akshually, you mean Albertosaurus libratus 🤓

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[white matrix]

huh gorgo is invalid now?

[ruby patio]

Well no but yes

[sullen cairn]

some say its albertosaurus libratus but it really doesn't change anything either way

gorgo's the one in dpf and alberto's the one in hc

[ruby patio]

Be a real one and say Deinodon libratus

[sullen cairn]

albertosaurus incrassatus

ornithomimus grandis

thanos oh wait thats still a thing why is that thing

scrotum humanum vs kurupi itaata

here's my latest urc though

~9.9m axial length

It is explicitly not referred to pycnonemosaurus because that is a very silly and wacky thing to think

[lapis lintel]

which models in pot aren't realistically sized?

[sullen cairn]

eotrike and bars stand out

[lapis lintel]

oh why so? oversized or undersized?
i heard thal is extremely oversized

[stiff osprey]

Thal is the worst offender i believe, it's twice its actual size. Sarco and Laten are also pretty oversized, and Campto is undersized for C.dispar

[sullen cairn]

both are very oversized

[lapis lintel]

oh i see, what about metri, cera, conc (and yk metri getting its size buff next update)

[stiff osprey]

I think Cera is okay, Metri is a bit small, and Conc a bit large

[sand gyro]

The comments...

[lapis lintel]

baba conc

[west coral]

How about instead of upsizing something, why not add a dinosaur that was the size you’re upsizing it to?

[light osprey]

Don’t be ridiculous

[zealous summit]

goated animal

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pk4fAwRvSE

[light osprey]

He’s looking handsome

[sullen cairn]

turns out niebla's ~1m larger than its description claims

which also makes it the largest predator in allen

updated

[west coral]

crazy

Where do you get half of these silhouettes

[sullen cairn]

google ____ skeletal

[dusky prairie]

Was camptosaurus bipedal and also quadrupedal or just purely bipedal? What is the latest consensus on that?

[elfin pulsar]

Facultative quadruped?

Idk if that would be facultative bipedal or quadruped actually

[dusky prairie]

Like to me it looks like an animal that would have run bipedally for sure. Perhaps even be mostly bipedal but I feel like it would have regularly crawled on all 4s. Path of titans should do this to campto make it crawl quadrupedally when crouched or walk quadrupedally or something,

[bright veldt]

Camptosaurus was a purely bipedal animal.

[compact leaf]

it still could have gotten down on all fours if it wanted to but it had no real reason to move like that

[elfin pulsar]

Why would it tho?

[dusky prairie]

Well if an animal is bending over a lot when foraging maybe it would be good to lean on its front legs I don’t know.

I see your point though

[elfin pulsar]

I mean yeah but leaning over isn't the same as locomotion

[dusky prairie]

I’ve just seen tons of reconstructions of it being quadrupedal. It probably wasn’t but I don’t know

[elfin pulsar]

I mean judging by the skeletal doesnt make sense for it to be quadrupedal

[dusky prairie]

I think camptos crouch walking animation should be quadrupedal though. Looks awkward to get that low to the ground where you have to lift up your arms. When you could sort of crawl.

[compact leaf]

for locomotion purposes it was bipedal that much is pretty certain, for foraging purposes it was still capable of going to all 4s it just wasn’t doing that for primary movement

[dusky prairie]

Sounds Similar to a kangaroo lol. I think they should mee are he camptos crouching animation a crawl and maybe it’s foraging or eating animation. That would be cool. Leave the walking running and idling animation bipedal though

[woeful falcon]

You really want quad campto huh

[tranquil quartz]

lol

[vocal breach]

Nobody gonna mention #38

[sullen cairn]

the only reason i tolerate 9.7m indosuchus is because i find it funny i managed to downsize bruhathkayosaurus marginally smaller

[compact leaf]

abelisaur bruhath saved a small sliver of my sanity because it's hilarious

[west coral]

How did bruh even become an abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

the holotype ilium belongs to a theropod
the only big theropods in india at the time were abelisaurids

which means the name bruhathkayosaurus very likely refers to a large abelisaur

[west coral]

giant noasaur rivalling bahariasaurus in size

[sullen cairn]

😦

[west coral]

i need to see that

[sullen cairn]

i unironically prefer megaraptoran bruhath to that

i despise the fact that idea has even a shred of credibility

[west coral]

southern tyrannosaur

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

Gondwana fauna 😤 so there must be Megaraptorans

[sullen cairn]

the problem is vitakridrinda is likely either a megaraptoran or unenlagiine (more likely the latter)

[west coral]

giant unenlagiine?

[sullen cairn]

i suppose that's an argument as well

[west coral]

I have a fun idea

Get every type of gondwanan theropod, and scale it to the size of bruh

See which one fits best

[sullen cairn]

over 12.5m with murusraptor
oh

i don't like that

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[light osprey]

Sounds about right. I was there

[compact leaf]

another giant sauropod mangled

does my heart good

[sullen cairn]

the femur and tibia:

[compact leaf]

we don't talk about those

the femur is the one that actually has a picture isn't it?

I remember that there's pictures now but I don't remember what part is in them

[compact leaf]

my goodness

they're so high quality

[sullen cairn]

better quality

[lavish frigate]

Looks like a conspiracy life on mars image

[west coral]

now i get why they called it wood

[light osprey]

Those fossils are of immaculate quality

[steady rock]

crazy, same with ourano

also ourano is massive, like damn

[bright veldt]

afaik with ourano probably not

[light osprey]

Now is it a facultative biped or quadruped

[sullen cairn]

No mention of tenonto being a facultative quadruped 😔

[rose thorn]

It’s bipedal. The hands are too small to sufficiently support the animal

[sullen cairn]

Ourano has biped forelimb proportions but also plenty of the iguanodontian quadruped traits

So yeah prolly facultative quadruped

[compact leaf]

in case anyone is struggling with it a facultative biped is primarily quadrupedal but is capable of moving bipedally and does so in some situations, a facultative quadruped is the exact same but switched

so there is actually a difference

[rose thorn]

Finger bones short asf and lack the splayed ends of Iguanodon, potentially not in a fused tissue glove, and yet the original paper does talk about some quad movement. So, 90% bipedal

[rose thorn]

That’s more believable than Ourano struggling

[light osprey]

Tenontosaurus should be facultative biped right?

[sullen cairn]

Other way around
Predominately biped but with some weight bearing manual adaptations

[light osprey]

Huh

Interesting

[sullen cairn]

ie one of the manual unguals is heavily atrophied

[meager sedge]

@sand gyro Please do not post off-topic content. This channel is dedicated to paleo-chat and we have no off-topic channels otherwise.

[sand gyro]

..ok

[white matrix]

Does anyone know what the climate would have been in the sopas formation? (during the Pleistocene)

iirc the climate was drier than it is now But in the middle layer, where I think were no carbonates (?), was probably more humid?

post cranial of some arctotherium seems to be found in what seems to be part of a floodplain i think

[sullen cairn]

might be useful

[white matrix]

🙏 👍

[steady rock]

what about muttabaursaurus

[white matrix]

Cenozoic mammalian taxa is so annoying to deal with istg but I live with it

[light osprey]

I think just a biped, seeing as it’s a Rhabdodontomorph

[west coral]

-Some cool formation with some sebecids, a chalicothere and a probocidian of sorts
-check fauna list
-16 732 rodents

[white matrix]

Sopas Formation:

[storm heron]

Is Hartman's Utahraptor still good to use as a reference? I understand it is one of the few skeletals of the animals we have atm but I just want to know if there is any possible inaccuracies with it (if there are any)?

There is also GAT's recon, which appears to be based on a mount called "Gaston" (as well as the holotype material).

[sullen cairn]

biomechanical monstronsity + i love how tiny kryptops is

[white matrix]

Kryptops is a lil sausage on two legs

[sullen cairn]

hmm i just realized i can shrink bruhathkayosaurus even more
today is a good day

9m lmaooooo

[white matrix]

Certainly a good day when its 4.31am for me, and I have to get to work..

[sullen cairn]

that is so real

at least you can take solace in bruhath being even more gutted

9.05m

[light osprey]

Much better

[pearl briar]

conclusion: campto & ourano walks on 2 leg a.k.a. biped

[ruby patio]

I'm just convinced that its completely unscalable because of how bad the diagram is

[sullen cairn]

That’s why I just take the flat 120cm length and use lametasaurus to eviscerate it with prejudice

[kind zodiac]

this utah is way too fake. they took a rex and edited it.

lol

[heady thunder]

I think thats the least of its problems

[viscid surge]

I believe every pixel of it

[kind zodiac]

it looks like this:

a lot of resemblance\

[light osprey]

One of the best I’ve seen

[west coral]

why does North Africa have such small abelisaurids

[light osprey]

Chenanisaurus left the chat

[plain stirrup]

Does anyone have a list of all the carnivorous theropods from the Morrison formation?

[west coral]

my bad, Cretaceous North Africa with the exception of Chenanisaurus

Suprised me that chenani is larger than carno

[grand marsh]

@west coral lemme say. Chenanisaurus was a predator that lived in maastrichtian marroco.+ it lived with two newly discovered abelisaurs. Maybe their group started to grow because of the disappearence of spinosaurids and carcharadontosaurids. Which leads me thinking that there weren't much abelisaurs because of the amount of predators. An example is the Kem Kem formation(beds). Because of the amount of predators, abelisaurs couldn't adapt well to make their group grow. But i am kinda stuck in this theory. Cuz a large abelisaur called: Titanovenator Kenyanensis. Is believed to be much larger than Pycnonemosaurus.+ it lived in Elrhaz fm, which is formation older than Kem Kem. So is this already an answere?

[west coral]

Titanovenator lived in Lapurr sandstone

[stiff osprey]

Abelisaurs getting larger because of the extinction of carcharodontosaurids makes sense, since there would be nothing left to eat the large sauropods

[plain stirrup]

did torvosaurus have a crushing bite

[grand marsh]

Bones or...?

[west coral]

All good, elrhaz actually had a tiny abelisaurid, as well as a spinosaur and a carcharodontosaurid, but otherwise your hypothesis stays correct

[plain stirrup]

yes, like did it crush bone with its bite

[heady thunder]

https://youtu.be/THZ_UzmdeyE?si=RWHGeseTim64eDMb

Sh#t slaps

[white matrix]

I’m guessing that’s smilodon gracilis?

[cloud dagger]

I’m kinda disappointed about the models and animations on that series 🥲 especially that smilodon

[viscid surge]

Why? Looks ok to me

[bright veldt]

They have normal big cat faces

And Smilodon gracilis in particular didn’t have the haunched and stocky build of its descendants

[stray wren]

Yeah they're not great

[viscid surge]

😔

[light osprey]

Something like this a bit better?

[tranquil quartz]

Whats everyone’s thoughts on Titanis?

[bright veldt]

Apparently the jaw is a bit wrong but aside from that it’s really good.

[bright veldt]

Yeah.

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah I thought the jaw was a bit weird but I love the rest of it. The colour scheme is great as well

[sudden wind]

Yeah, it is a bit off.

S.fatalis is the North American species, which is probably the one we see in the show as for now.
S.populator is the Southern counterpart though. The head may be more fitting as the images bellow : https://fxtwitter.com/MolineroMassimo/status/1550901368252145665

[bright veldt]

The scene description explicitly calls them S. gracilis. It also calls the doedicurus one populator

[sudden wind]

Then it would be even less robust I suppose.

[sudden wind]

I hope they get rekt..but I know how medias are biased.

[bright veldt]

The scene is a bit of a twist in at least one way. The Titanis in said scene is screaming at another Titanis. The gracilis will likely watch the fight and go after the loser if I am to guess.

[light osprey]

S. gracilis looks even cooler

[compact leaf]

we haven't gotten particularly detailed shots of the sauropods yet I'd like to see more of them

[cloud dagger]

Head shape looks a bit off and the stripes and fur don’t look good and the animation movement is not very natural

[compact leaf]

I'm holding off a little judgement too because the video quality on the clips is pretty low

[stray wren]

The series does seem to file away any features an animal may have. Their rex lacks hornlets, the dromaeosaurs lack their raised lacrimals, ect.

[compact leaf]

it's just over a week away so I guess we'll find out soon

[light osprey]

Regardless of muh accuracy I prefer the nature documentary over to trying to instill a narrative

[white matrix]

https://card.weibo.com/article/m/show/id/2309404180679712757865

This is pretty cool, 40 different specimens of paraentelodon, although this wasn’t published in a paper yet

[steady rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRL5L3V9X0g

how accurate are the dinosaurs in the new short film?

[white matrix]

Well the deinocheirus is pretty good

[lavish frigate]

All of them are pretty exquisite

[steady rock]

isnt exquisite a food. .. . . .

[west coral]

no

[elfin pulsar]

It just means beautiful lol

[steady rock]

omg ty

how accurate is this suchominus(?)

[lavish frigate]

I think its great although the head looks a little small? Maybe just me

[compact leaf]

the head looks maybe a bit small to me too but that could just be angle

[lavish frigate]

Well I guess it might be ok? Sucho may just have a small head

Comparatively

[light osprey]

Grrr lips. Not that important so I guess it’s good

[bright veldt]

We’re just not used to sucho’s head being comparatively small

[lavish frigate]

Hehe silly sucho eat dog

[sullen cairn]

i'm too lazy to find a better dorsal but you get the point

[thick hazel]

Had anyone heard about how Gigantopethicus may have been more resemblant to a Paranthropus rather than an Orangutan due to the limited bone fragments we have of Giganto being very similar to the same bone fragments from Paranthropus?

[bright veldt]

Not likely at all. Gorillas are probably Gigantopithecus’s closest analogue.

[clever sable]

How accurate is this rex model? (Logo covered up because I don't want the mods to think I'm advertising another game)

[coral dragon]

dayum he chunky

[lavish frigate]

His fingers look off

[coral dragon]

yeah the arms look oddly stubby for tyrannosaurus arms but im not a tyrannosaurid expert tbf

[light osprey]

The arms are fine

[lavish frigate]

I think it’s finger length is weird

[white matrix]

Pubis isn't low enough and the gastralia has a weird shape, and the soft tissue in general is pretty odd, I talked to one of the community managers for critique.

[clever sable]

Ok, sounds good, idk if we are allowed to mention the names of other dinosaur games though

[bright veldt]

If this is to give feedback then don’t. Primeval Horizons is awful and that’s all I’ll say about it to avoid offtopic and/or slander.

If anyone wants details just DM

[white matrix]

dmed cause I' like to hear other takes

[nocturne gazelle]

Now I'm curious lol

[heady thunder]

Me curious too

[white matrix]

@heady thunder @nocturne gazelle sent to both

[compact leaf]

some context for me too please

[white matrix]

sent to you

[bright veldt]

Moving on

[heady thunder]

That was, a lot of tea

[white matrix]

lets talk about the 40 specimens of paraentelodon!

[bright veldt]

Anyone know just how sexual dimorphic paraentelodon is? Like I know there’s differences but not the extent.

[white matrix]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1755-6724.2005.tb00927.x

try this article i think it mentions it a bit

[light oxide]

Already heard about the stuff with the dev . . .

Yeah, moving on--

Realistically, what total sauropods could Allosaurus be willing to hunt for food? They obviously had adaptations that had a main focus for meat processing, which would've been crucial in processing sauropod carcasses. And with stress fractures on their arms, which is most likely through grappling, it stands to reason that they were grappling onto sauropods.

The question, then, is which sauropods?

[nocturne gazelle]

I just spent a solid 30 seconds looking for paleo chat... while having it already open...

[light osprey]

The biggest ones of course

[nocturne gazelle]

Small ones and probably big ones too

What sauropods lived with allo?

[compact leaf]

juvenile sauropods of various sizes would have been on the menu for everything living in hell creek, in terms of adults there’s a few smaller ones from the morrison it might have been able to tackle

the biggest ones were brachiosaurus and supersaurus, adults of those two wouldn’t be on the menu for anything

[bright veldt]

I find it unlikely allosaurus was hunting most adult sauropods. There were small sauropods from the Morrison nobody talks about for some reason though.

[lavish frigate]

The ones with long necks

True and real

[white matrix]

depends on the species of allo ofc, but if you mean morrison allo

[nocturne gazelle]

Oh those some big bois

[compact leaf]

the big purple baro got hard downsized but we’re still talking about a 30+m animal

[light osprey]

Now which of these lives in the members which Allosaurus is actually present

[compact leaf]

the brachi is also the holotype, which is a subadult and not done growing

[light osprey]

(These being the Sauropods)

[flat pond]

How big is Bistahieversor currently estimated?

[west coral]

people actually using my silly size chart made my day lol

[sullen cairn]

around das size

[flat pond]

Hm, interesting. I’ve just been curious because there have been many different sizes thrown around for it. Especially if this skeletal is correct or possibly incorrect.

[sullen cairn]

justice's scaling is on the upper end (and borrows pretty heavily from appalachiosaurus), hartman's skeletal as well as most of other estimates/reconstructions depict it more more akin to tyrannosaurids

[plain stirrup]

What was the difference between the 3 tyrannosaurus?
specifically
T. Rex
T. Regina
T. Imperator

[iron halo]

I’m 97% sure regina and imperator aren’t even a thing anymore

[plain stirrup]

fr?

[woeful falcon]

Very quickly they were an eye roll

Which to answer your question, nothing as they're all T. rex haha

[light osprey]

Everything is T. rex (get rekted Alamotyrannus)

[sullen cairn]

Man’s gonna hate mcraensis when it’s published

[light osprey]

Less offensive than Alamotyrannus, so I’ll permit it

[bright veldt]

Slight differences in teeth and femur circumference. That's it. aka nothing

[sullen cairn]

i like the idea of tyrannosaurini just vibing in new mexico while everything in northern laramidia's being slaughtered by marine regressions

[light osprey]

Was the northern Laramidian environment seriously affected by the regression?

[sullen cairn]

more coastal so probably

[light osprey]

With Tyrannosaurus mcraensis, could the temporal range extend to be Edmontonian for Tyrannosaurus?

[chilly knot]

waltuh

[sullen cairn]

assuming they keep mcranesis in tyrannosaurus yeah

[light osprey]

That would be pretty neat

[sullen cairn]

when does edmontonian start

mcraensis is like 73 Ma

would that still be judithian?

[light osprey]

73 is Judithian

[sullen cairn]

clearly this means tyrannosaurini originated in NA

that was sacrasm by the way

[stiff osprey]

the 77 ma zhuchengtyrannus in question

[sullen cairn]

i legitimately do not understand how the abstract got that conclusion when the base of hall lake is earlier than the latest possible age of xingezhuang

onw to disperse into asia from a NA deposit millons of years later

[stiff osprey]

what i don't understand is how or why a basically-tyrannosaurus was hanging around asia like 3 million years before the clade first appears in NA

...That was supposed to say after the clade

[sullen cairn]

aggressive shantungosaurus kept killing them before they could cross beringia, and so tyrannosaurini was forced into gigantism to survive and eventually cross into NA but also just hugged the west coast and then moved into new mexico before waiting for everything else to die so they could go north

i like how when a cool late cretaceous gondwanan paper is published its not open access so i can't even read it

[steady rock]

how amazing and accurate are these deinocherius in the new hatchling short film?

[bright veldt]

Basically perfect

[white matrix]

I wanna bury my face in their fluff

[clever sable]

Also, forgot to respond because I got distracted, but no this wasn't for feedback, I just wanted to know if it was accurate because it looked a little weird to me, the hands seem a little too small and it just looks...... Off

[lavish frigate]

Tbh probably more accurate than prehistoric planet. They have a much more accurate amount of feathers for its size

PHP looks like a ground sloth lol

[sullen cairn]

since someone asked about it earlier here's three bistah skeletal's with a nearly 1m difference between the largest and smallest

hartman's being scaled to a 107cm skull because no scale bars

[lost fjord]

Hey guys ima da guy making the saurophaganax mod any paleo stuff i need to know (i did my reaserch just want feed back) thx

[bright veldt]

We don't really know a lot of outside of "It looks like allo but bigger and probably a bit beefier"

[sullen cairn]

according to the guy working with the material, deep tail, tall spine, large pectoral muscle attachments, very slow, and potentially very large

arid heavyweight grappler type deal

[storm heron]

Tall spines?

[sullen cairn]

to anchor pectoral muscles

apparently has laminae similar to acro as well

[lost fjord]

So in case u can help heres the stats

Good right?

[woeful falcon]

This is probably better suited for the modding channel unless you have questions about the actual animal

[sullen cairn]

besides the jump doesn't seem to be anything too offensive

[lost fjord]

Im askin if the moves are paleo accurate

[lost fjord]

The jump is a stomp atk

[storm heron]

Is Matt Dempsey's Tenontosaurus skeletal good to use as a reference?

[bright veldt]

Yes

[storm heron]

Ah, though I have to clarify, was Tenontosaurus primarily a bipedal animal or could have used its front limbs in terrestrial locomotion?

[sullen cairn]

literature's kinda inconsistent

i take that back literature is very inconsistent

gist of things is largely bipedal but occasionally could swap to quadraped

[lost fjord]

Think indo raptor

[storm heron]

Ah, I see

[sullen cairn]

these are prolly better references assuming primarily biped

[lost fjord]

Think campto

[scenic flame]

Campto was exclusively biped

[sullen cairn]

exclusively biped seems like a stretch

it has derived traits that would've had quad functionality

[ruby patio]

Think me

[sullen cairn]

that image scares me

[silver canopy]

Prehistoric Planets Deinocs Feathers Were Just Wet As Far As I'm Aware
(Still I Do Love The Hatchlings Depiction)

[warm temple]

Whats with the skinny spine tho?

[storm heron]

Last I checked, I was told that Deinocheirus did not really have a full muscle hump nor a sail, something in between.

[flat pond]

How big is Saltasaurus currently estimated?

[light osprey]

Wikipedia commons sizes usually somewhere in the ballpark

[flat pond]

Hm, interesting, though isn’t it like 12 meters like this or is that an overestimate?

[stiff osprey]

in this case both are massively too large, the 12 m estimate seems to come from nothing

actual Saltasaurus is around 8-9 m

[flat pond]

Ah ok, I wasn’t a 100% sure on how big it was.

Also this is the correct estimated size for Sonorasaurus, correct?

[compact leaf]

I usually see closer to about 17m

[stiff osprey]

lemme check if gunnar's made one

[compact leaf]

gunnar doesn’t have one I don’t think, the only one is nimas and that one seems fine for the most part

[flat pond]

Interesting, but 15m isn’t a bad size, right?

[stiff osprey]

true, he does not, here's a saltasaurus tho

[flat pond]

Good old Scott on them good skeletals.

[light osprey]

Shoot I didn’t know Hartman had a scale bar oof

[flat pond]

Though I do love your Dryptosaurus skeletal, random.

Plus I’m just making a roster of dinosaurs for the fun of it a bit.

This Opisthocoelicaudia skeletal is still up to date, correct?

[tiny holly]

why he built like that

[compact leaf]

he is the reason scaling fragmentary titanosaurs is so dangerous

[white matrix]

He never skipped leg day

[tiny holly]

Kind of a freak ass i respect it

[lavish frigate]

I meant how many feathers it has. Much more of a dense coat then probably needed

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah being wet doesn’t change feathers that much haha

[elfin pulsar]

Talking about PP duck being covered in a coat

That first photo is funny tho

[lavish frigate]

OH FRICKIN HECK. Wet owl jumpscare

[light osprey]

Wet Deinocheirus is real, wet Deinocheirus is life

[lavish frigate]

Your very lucky we’re in PoT discord or else this would go straight to AOOC

[sullen cairn]

iirc this has a slightly updated scale car

[flat pond]

Interesting, but still about the same estimated size around 12m, correct?

[light osprey]

But what I think really happened is they just copied their Ornithomimus feather distribution/filament length to the Deinocheirus and that’s certainly a choice

[steady rock]

1k. .. . .

[sullen cairn]

i'm a very lazy busy man

[flat pond]

Oof, a big boi there ladies and gents

[sullen cairn]

next to tarbo (middle purple guy)

[flat pond]

Decided to make my own dinosaur roster for the heck of it but this is the animals I have so far.

Akainacephalus
Altispinax
Bistahieversor
Borealosuchus
Einiosaurus
Eustreptospondylus
Gargoyleosaurus
Hypacrosaurus
Irritator
Jiangjunosaurus
Nothronychus
Opisthocoelicaudia
Ornithocheirus
Ornithomimus
Pectinodon
Pentaceratops
Platytholus
Prosaurolophus
Rugops
Thescelosaurus

I decided to make it an ecosystem with an island the same size of Gondwa but certain environmental factors make it so only certain groups under a certain size could survive on the island. Any thoughts of what I might need to do if there is any issues with my roster?

[compact leaf]

if you wanted another sauropod you could throw a brachiosaurid in there so you have a higher browser, there’s a few taller than opistho that aren’t too enormous

[flat pond]

Ah so like Sonorasaurus. I wasn’t sure if they would compete with each other or not.

I was also trying to not make it bloated by adding too many stuff that would feel the same.

[compact leaf]

brachiosaurids in general had a higher feeding range so you’d be fine as long as it was taller, habitat separation could also work but that’s purely from a game perspective

[sullen cairn]

it'd be cool to have a carnivore bridging the ~2t gap between bistah and the next largest thing

[flat pond]

Yeah, I could have Sonora be a higher browser compared to Opistho.

[flat pond]

Yeah I’m trying to figure that out with out making the roster bloated

[sullen cairn]

if you want an abelisaur (which i am recommending for totally unbiased reasons), carno, indosuchus, or bruhathkayosaurus bridge the 2-3t gap pretty well

[flat pond]

Hm, I might try Indo

[sullen cairn]

good yes spread the big indo

[light osprey]

Ain’t no way you’ve recommended Bruhathkayosaurus

[compact leaf]

you could also do sort of a morrison type situation with opistho being the smaller sauropod with an overall bigger one, I recommend a brachiosaurid for totally unbiased reasons

[flat pond]

Yeah I looked it that up and found out Bruhathkayosaurus is a sauropod lol

[sullen cairn]

the ilium's a theropod

[flat pond]

Is it?

[sullen cairn]

yup but the femur and tibia are still sauropod

[light osprey]

It’s also disintegrated or something

[sullen cairn]

details schmetails

anyways if you do end up using indo here's a reference for it

raja body headswaped with indo composite skull scaled to largest specimen

[light osprey]

Hey look, Platytholus, that’s pretty neat

[sullen cairn]

i think there's a skeletal of that

[light osprey]

Idk but tiny Pachycephalosaurs are scrumptious

[sullen cairn]

lil man

[flat pond]

Yeah, it’s very interesting as it is a pachycephalosaur from Hell Creek and I think is found to have traits that make it different than Pachy. I wasn’t sure what pachycephalosaur would have been made apart of my roster until I found Platy.

[light osprey]

How any NA Pachycephalosaurids are known from friggin skulls sheesh

[flat pond]

Who knows man, who knows

[light osprey]

Post crania go brr

[flat pond]

Drypto was going to be my tyrannosauroid but I wanted something to be at least to be able to hunt some of the large herbivores on the roster and with Bistah being that size and a Eutyrannosauria, it was easier to implement.

Any other suggestions to add or replace?

[sullen cairn]

How big’s Rugops gonna be

[light osprey]

Rugops sized

[flat pond]

It was going to be at least 14-17 ft from I have read.

[sullen cairn]

14ft is good

[light osprey]

Two Abelisaurids would be a bit boring

[sullen cairn]

Objectively incorrect

[flat pond]

Yeah and I would have a feeling that Rugops would be outcompeted or overlooked by Indosuchus.

[light osprey]

Maybe I’ll reconsider, what with you having a neutral stance on Abelisaurs

[sullen cairn]

Very true!

[flat pond]

Also Altispinax would look like this maybe.

[light osprey]

In some capacity I’d like Orkoraptor. But any Megaraptorid would suffice

[sullen cairn]

Step 1: scale orkoraptor
Step 2: no

[light osprey]

Google says 6m

[sullen cairn]

Orko has that silly proportionally huge tibia

[flat pond]

For Alti or Orko?

[sullen cairn]

For alti you can use justice’s skeletal

Orko effectively has two size estimates depending on if you scale with the tibia ir not

[west coral]

Larramendi says 8.4

[sullen cairn]

Larramendi’s megaraptor estimates suck

[light osprey]

Larramendi is a menace 🥱

[flat pond]

Is there an image of Justice’s skeletal?

[sullen cairn]

I have incin’s scaling of the non-tibia size for Orko

[light osprey]

Christopher’s Orkoraptor is just so cute with his lil peach fuzz

[flat pond]

This is the skeletal, correct?

[west coral]

If you need a big theropod, let me introduce you to the French mega-megalosaur

[light osprey]

Meraxes 🤔 or is that too small

[flat pond]

Eh, I think Bistah is as big of a theropod that I’m going to go. As for a megalosaur, I’m using Eustreptospondylus.

[west coral]

Alright the fella is always there if you need him

[sullen cairn]

orko

[light osprey]

The copy and paste Megaraptor skeletal I love it

[sullen cairn]

the only good megaraptoran skeletal is the composite okay

[flat pond]

I think Meraxes is on the bigger end of things in terms of theropods. It would drive the others away lol.

[light osprey]

Every Megaraptor looked like this, there are no differences

[flat pond]

Lol

Plus isn’t Altispinax considered a carcharodontosaur?

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure

[flat pond]

Ok, cause I’ve been wondering if it was or if it wasn’t.

[west coral]

Basal though

[sullen cairn]

also don't use that weight

[flat pond]

For?

[west coral]

Alti I’m pretty sure

[flat pond]

Ah, how heavy was it?

Also Borealosuchus is alright to have in a small ecosystem like what I’m doing, right?

[west coral]

Sure if you wanna have a small ish gator picking off smaller dinosaurs

[flat pond]

Yeah that kind of what I wanted, nothing too big or everything would start avoiding rivers and stuff.

[west coral]

Use this for borealo though

[flat pond]

It was going to be Brachychampsa but I felt like Brachy would have been too small to tackle anything.

[light osprey]

Do Albertachampsa for the aesthetics

[west coral]

You should also have a medium sized croc too, just so that smaller sized creatures aren’t the only ones being targeted when drinking water

[flat pond]

Hm, any suggestions on a medium sized croc?

[west coral]

Thoracosaurus, maybe?

[flat pond]

Hm, maybe though Thoraco’s jaws are on the thinner side of things.

[light osprey]

Something bigger or smaller than Borealosuchus?

[west coral]

Maybe a bit too thin of a jaw

[flat pond]

Yeah, those are some pretty thin jaws

[west coral]

You want water, or land crocs?

Because land crocs I can find a few interesting ones

[light osprey]

Mahajangasuchus

[flat pond]

It can be land too. Borealosuchus was a croc I wanted in the water for sure

[light osprey]

Titanochampsa

[west coral]

Mahajanga or Razanan

[tulip plume]

croccy

[flat pond]

Mahajanga can work. I’ve wanted to try it on other things but they didn’t fall through.

[tulip plume]

is it huggable?

[light osprey]

Yes

[tulip plume]

Yay 😃

[west coral]

Mahajanga is one of the most fellas of all time

[tulip plume]

is the mahajanga huggable or will it bite me in half

[flat pond]

Borealosuchus would eat your face off

[tulip plume]

not according to this guy

[flat pond]

That’s why he’s in the water

[gray zealot]

so i love this mf because megalosaurids go hard

but is there anything on the Allosauroids that were with it

[bright veldt]

What’s being asked here?

[flat pond]

Also they’ll behave somewhat like Cuban crocodiles

[flat pond]

I’m kind making a roster of things for the heck of it while keeping it not bloated.

[compact leaf]

if you need help with sauropods and their ecology I can help but I'm out of my depth with the croc convo lol

[tulip plume]

But is this like, an extinct species or a still living one tho? and if its dead how would they be able to find that out?

[flat pond]

This is if I was making a game lol

[tulip plume]

bob cuz i forgot what it said before this

[light osprey]

Silly goose tsk tsk. But also, Cuban Crocodiles are pretty similar to Mahajangasuchids. They like to walk on their feetsies a bit more

[tulip plume]

oh thanks sharl i'll remember it

[flat pond]

Interesting, I’ll keep that in note.

[tulip plume]

welp that's all the time i got, good night yall

[flat pond]

Perhaps Borealosuchus could be more akin to both species of Paleosuchus, going on the land at night to hunt stuff.

Considering I own a Paleosuchus palpebrosus myself.

This would be the current reconstruction of Mahjanga, correct?

[light osprey]

I think so

[bright veldt]

Ye

[flat pond]

Perfect.

Hm, what other suggestions for my roster could be beneficial for it?

[west coral]

Razanandongobe, maybe?

[flat pond]

Oh that’s a big boi that I just looked up now.

[light osprey]

Pterosaurs? Birdies even?

[flat pond]

I have one already, maybe some more could help a bit.

[flat pond]

What Mesozoic birds do you have in mind?

[light osprey]

Soroavisaurus is the biggest flighted fella I can think of

[west coral]

gargatuavis

[west coral]

Maybe an azhdarchid, Arambourgiania maybe?

[flat pond]

Perhaps. I was think of an azhdarchid to possibly add.

[west coral]

Azhdarchids are always fun

[flat pond]

Phosphatodraco is one I think of quite a bit, especially since it was in Prehistoric Planet

[light osprey]

He’s a mid-sized fella, but a lot of freedom to play with the design. unless you just copy PhP which I wouldn’t blame you

[flat pond]

Lol, kind of what I was going to try and do

[light osprey]

He’s quite majestic

[flat pond]

Indeed a majestic boi

[boreal ore]

Baby eater

[flat pond]

And as awesome as it would be to have full aquatics, I think I would just relegate them as A.I. as aquatics haven’t been done properly yet.

Like I would love to do something like Dakosaurus or Geosaurus but getting them to interact with the land creatures would be challenging, even if I did an inland sea or a large bay.

[west coral]

How about a river?

[light osprey]

Kawanectes finally getting its moment

[west coral]

Or a delta

Or even a mangrove

[light osprey]

Mangroves might be the perfect sweet spot

[west coral]

You could have islands which have special resources, but to get to them you gotta island hop

[flat pond]

A river or delta might work maybe. I’ve really wanted to have some like Dakosaurus or heck Lioplurodon.

[flat pond]

That could work. And the mangroves is a very nice idea

[west coral]

Have fellas who’s entire ecological nieche is based off of beachcombing

[light osprey]

Laguncularia are my favorite Mangroves, but do as you will with it