paleontology

[wind prairie]

both lived/live in south america too how's that for ya

[frosty anvil]

Dynamoterror is a good name
Lythronax still better tho

[light osprey]

Magnificent southern god of earthquakes etymology is fun

[copper flame]

the eye of sauron

[sullen cairn]

my favorite partial frontal!!111!!1

[wind prairie]

ahhh... dynamic terror... so cool scary ahh.. shiver me timbers........

[frosty anvil]

Acrocanthosaurus?

[copper flame]

saurosinops

[frosty anvil]

Ahh

[copper flame]

what can we all agree on tho as the coolest dinosaur name

[light osprey]

Probably not

[wind prairie]

we probably can but it'll take some pondering

[copper flame]

id say earthquake lizard god

[compact leaf]

crurivastator is an amazing species name, destroyer of shins

[copper flame]

zuul moment

[wind prairie]

carnotaurus is a classic

[light osprey]

Nvmd you got it right

[frosty anvil]

Meat eating bull is always good

[copper flame]

also theres lord of the lizard eaters

[sullen cairn]

me when two thunder lizards

[frosty anvil]

Heavy claw too 👍 another great classic

[copper flame]

bary picking heavy claw

[sullen cairn]

thunder thighs

[compact leaf]

I mean thunder lizard is also a classic, that one is timeless

thunder thighs is the best sauropod name out there, you beat me to it

[sullen cairn]

the real thunder lizard (why was this thing named)

[light osprey]

The more names the merrier

[copper flame]

yi qi is INSANE tho "spirit of loyalty and self sacrifice code of brotherhood"

[light osprey]

That way I can say “x genus lived in this area” more often instead of “there’s indet. y animals here”

[woeful falcon]

Gore king

[copper flame]

volcano tooth

[sullen cairn]

then why'd they only figure like three bones

[wind prairie]

nobody talks about how ouranosaurus actually means "brave lizard"

[sullen cairn]

thanos
😦

[wind prairie]

not the coolest but just wanted to put that out there

[copper flame]

PREDATOR X

[sullen cairn]

ghost hunter

[woeful falcon]

Explosion born lizard

[light osprey]

Which pliosaur did predator x pertain to

[woeful falcon]

Pliosaurus funkei

[copper flame]

pilosaurus I think

[frosty anvil]

I love this one

[wind prairie]

saurophaganax is at least top 5, "lord of the lizard eaters" is juuuust not edgy enough to still be cool

[sullen cairn]

please don't kill me mods

[frosty anvil]

This ones great too
What does Concavenator mean again

[light osprey]

No way a meme this bad made me laugh

[sullen cairn]

cuenca hunter

[wind prairie]

it's like concave hunter or somethin

[woeful falcon]

Ekrixinatosaurus is an underrated gem of an abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

i'm somewhat averse to it due to the skull length scaling incident

[frosty anvil]

Damn not as cool but hey Concavenator's fun to say

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/download-percentage-bar-gif-14654535

[sullen cairn]

becklespinax altispinax was fun to say while it lasted

[woeful falcon]

Cuenca hunter

[wind prairie]

not a dinosaur but carnufex the carolina butcher is fun

[frosty anvil]

Was gonna say something then i forgot what i was gonna say

[sullen cairn]

elemgasem

[frosty anvil]

Nevermind i remember now
Can always appreciate Irritator's name just cutting right into the chase

[light osprey]

As for non-dinosaur genera, those Moroccan pterosaurs have a lot of great ones

[frosty anvil]

No bullcrap, just tells ya all ya need to know

[wind prairie]

dragon of the phosphates :))

[light osprey]

Alcione can be stretched to mean “wandering sea-bird”

[frosty anvil]

Literally an albatross

[light osprey]

Tethydraco would be the “Tethys dragon”

[sullen cairn]

me when longrich has a complete monopoly on naming literally everything from maastrichtian morocco

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[light osprey]

Barbaridactylus doesn’t mean anything cool but it’s fun to say

[frosty anvil]

Same with Concavenator

[copper flame]

imma list off everything that was said in chat as of now (and that I can remember)
"lord of the lizard eaters" saurogahanax
"lizard earthquake god" sauroposidon
"predator X" pilosaurus
"the shadow of death" maip
"heavy claw" baryonyx
"gore king" lythronax
"tyrant titan" tyranotitan
THANOS
"destroyer of shins" zuul
"eye of sauron" saurosinops
"volcano tooth" vulcanodon
"magnificent southern god of earthquake" austroposeidon

[sullen cairn]

niebla means old mist which is pretty neat

[copper flame]

I wonder if theres anything with ELDER in its name

[sullen cairn]

and llukalkan means one who causes fear despite being 4m long

[frosty anvil]

Can never go wrong with meat eating bull (carnotaurus)

[copper flame]

tru

[frosty anvil]

Classic but goddamn i love the name

[copper flame]

but whats the coolest?

[woeful falcon]

Pliosaurus's name means "more lizard"? Talk about the most boring meaning

[copper flame]

hey atleast its nickname is cool

[sullen cairn]

mnyamawamtuka

[light osprey]

One of the best names I’ve heard. Let’s keep making those

[frosty anvil]

Im my opinion its between lythronax and austroposeidon

[sullen cairn]

ledumahadi means giant thunderclap

[copper flame]

I made art of lythronax
ill try to take a pic

[light osprey]

Austroposeidon wins cause I have a cool PhP still of it

[sullen cairn]

8yo me when i find out austro means southern and not australian

[light osprey]

Had me second guessing everything I ever knew

[frosty anvil]

IT DOSENT MEAN AUSTRALIAN??
Wait nvm that actually makes sense to me

[sullen cairn]

exactly

[light osprey]

Lol

[sullen cairn]

lourinhanosaurus when lourinhasaurus

[frosty anvil]

Makes sense to me
Aurora borealis - north pole
Aurora australis - south pole

[sullen cairn]

best name by far however is the dense forest lizard

[light osprey]

Possibly more boring than “different lizard”

[sullen cairn]

you're not gonna believe the general environment of the region it was found

day 9321 of waiting for wikipedia to update pycnonemosaurus age:

[frosty anvil]

Dense forest?

[sullen cairn]

brazil

[copper flame]

gore king is W name
i even made some art of it

[frosty anvil]

Yup knew it

[copper flame]

is this I made lythronax accurate?

[sullen cairn]

i was joking but jesus christ wikipedia's had the wrong pycno age for the past 12 years

[light osprey]

Brilliant

[copper flame]

damn

[sullen cairn]

why is it maastrichtian why is it maastrichtian it shouldn't be maastrichtian

[copper flame]

how armored was ampelosaurus?

[light osprey]

Fear’s nothing. Sums up Cerro Fortaleza well

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

bone bed taxon

[light osprey]

Maybe this. Just because they’re the least ugly depictions I find

Resolution go brr

[sullen cairn]

correction

[copper flame]

give us a jumpscare warning first

[light osprey]

I stand uncorrected

[copper flame]

whats the most armored sauropod than

[light osprey]

I’m gonna go with Ampelosaurus

[copper flame]

this is too much than

[copper flame]

spikey

[noble ridge]

How come there are no animals that evolved from ceratopsians?

[gaunt raven]

I mean the only existing dinosaurs are birds so by default there’s no ceratopsian birds

But I’m sure there’s other dinosaurs that split from the ceratopsian clade somewhere along the line

[storm heron]

Jackson's or Three horned Chameleon

[gaunt raven]

Ah yes the Jackson’s chameleon is actually a very distant relative of triceratops (in all seriousness I want one of those guys so bad but chameleons take so much specific care 😭)

[tranquil quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-love-death-robots-destroy-blast-meteor-gif-22057249

[boreal ore]

[noble ridge]

I had no idea those things existed til this very moment wth

[rocky lynx]

Cool

[white matrix]

Maip has the coolest one imo

[stiff osprey]

Pycno was found in Mato Grosso (dense grass) state

it's "lizard from Mato Grosso"

[west coral]

Dense grass lizard

[copper flame]

any carcharodontosaurs make its to the k-pg extinction event?

[stiff osprey]

no, they went extinct in the turonian

[copper flame]

so none of them made it 😦

[iron halo]

Moderately spined lizard goes hard

[copper flame]

metri moment

[novel atlas]

Stygimoloch is such a cool name, wish it wasn't actually a Pachycephalosaurus.

[copper flame]

I would not wanna deal with this thing

[boreal ore]

He will eat you like a baby

[copper flame]

yeah

[frail robin]

That's an innacurate reconstruction, the skull of Quetzalcoatlus wasn't that long

[copper flame]

womp womp

[copper flame]

can I get a picture of an accurate pyroraptor skeleton

[copper flame]

thanks

[copper flame]

can someone show me giganoraptor compared to a rex

[frail robin]

Is this an accurate posture for large Azhdarchids?

[copper flame]

I guess it can be up to interpatation

[sudden wind]

B is correct.

All the rest is bad, given wehave pterosaur tracks.

[copper flame]

I dont really see the difference with B and C

also what theropod had the longest legs

[sudden wind]

C has side flexed elbow. So they are pocking out at a certain angle compared to the body.

[frail robin]

Arm position. Also I am not questioning the walking posture of large Azhdarchids, I am asking if they could take such a pose of walking that looks like that

[covert lintel]

the hell is that second picture? is that from david peters?

[copper flame]

no idea

[light osprey]

2nd picture definitely heretical

[copper flame]

what dinosaur had the longest legs proprtinal to its body size (exscluding sauropods)

[light osprey]

Me

[copper flame]

cap

[boreal ore]

Bro what happened to him

[copper flame]

inbreeding

[light osprey]

Himantopus

[copper flame]

thats cheating

[light osprey]

Cope

[copper flame]

also did hatching rexes actually look like that

[stark pasture]

Basically yea

[gaunt raven]

Just not as long of legs but essentially the same

[copper flame]

eeeeeeh

[gaunt raven]

The Gigantoraptor is around 5-6m tall so it’s a bit taller than Rex

[white matrix]

pretty sure thats mark wittons interpertation of a hatchling tyrannosaurus

[copper flame]

yes

[copper flame]

and how tall is rex

[jagged trellis]

like 4 meters( or 13 odd feet) at hip if i recall, so giganto is slightly taller

[copper flame]

whats the largest triassic therapod

[jagged trellis]

i wanna say herrera and whatever gojisaurus is/was but i don't have a solid source on my end and both are wonky to my knowledge so theres that

[copper flame]

good enough

[light osprey]

Hip height for Tyrannosaurus is 3.8 metres or so

And the new Gigantoraptor silhouette form PaleoNeolithic is better

[sullen cairn]

upper triassic also has some pretty large eubrontes tracks

as in 8m+ animals

[sudden wind]

no

http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-mad-mad-mad-stilt-legged.html

They probably had quite elongated legs for their size, but this model is very old and likely does not represent the condition.

[copper flame]

what does titanosaurus bone belong too

also whats the smallest spinosaurid

[sudden wind]

Camarillasaurus

[copper flame]

is there any evidence of some kind of quadrapedal spinosaurid?

or quadrapedal theropods in general

[woeful falcon]

The only one I believe is Spinosaurus itself, and that is something that's heavily debated.

[light oxide]

Do we even have any arm fossils of Spinosaurus?

[woeful falcon]

Its also less about evidence of it being quad and more of, could it even be bipedal with its proportions and size. That's part of why its highly debated

[copper flame]

dubious or valid

[light oxide]

[copper flame]

the thinker

[copper flame]

what spinosaur could swim the best

[vocal breach]

Probably Spino

Most aquatic adaptations out of the bunch

Those studies that try to disprove or nullify spinos swimming abilities seem stupid to me

[white matrix]

probably just a synonym of suchomimus as far as im aware

[copper flame]

could spinosaur dive?

or would it sink like a hippo

[bright veldt]

Cristatusaurus seems like an obvious synonym to Sucho but every time scientists look at it it comes out as distinct. So who tf knows.

[copper flame]

did spinosaurus spines show an outline or where they just flat

[sudden wind]

We have some claws, metacarpals and ulna.

[sudden wind]

I'd personally say that there could have been an outline. Spinosaurid sails weren't muscle attachment points and so probably were mostly skin and some thin tissues like collagen.

[nocturne gazelle]

What were sauropod toe claws used for?

[compact leaf]

probably more or less vestigial with maybe some uses for foraging or occasionally combat

[clever sable]

They are both pretty solid in terms of talking about how spino couldn't swim, it's when they get to exclusively being a wader is when they get dumb, they likely bottom walked, waded a little bit and something else but it pretty clearly wasn't an aquatic pursuit predator

[stiff osprey]

it also very much could swim and was better than other theropods at it

[white matrix]

Spoon? Yeah, look at those stubby hinds

[tiny holly]

Yeah, I think people get too hung up over it not being a really good swimmer, specifically not a fast one. But it probably doesn't need to be, it just needs to be an ok swimmer. Like, ducks aren't very fast swimmers, not compared to other waterbirds like cormorants or loons. But they don't need to be because their lifestyle doesn't require swimming fast, and they're still faster and better swimmers than non-water-birds

[sullen cairn]

brazilian things that aren't teeth because I don't want to scale more teeth

[light osprey]

haven’t gone for the big one and scaled off an osteoderm

[sullen cairn]

just wait for the actually complete one to be described

[copper flame]

did any dromeosaurs live with megaraptors?

[sullen cairn]

unenlagia and pamparaptor

and whatever neuquenraptor's doing with its existence currently

[light osprey]

I buy it being a Synonym

[chilly knot]

a bunch of funny (pre)maxillae, vertebrae and half femora

[sullen cairn]

wow spectrovenator sure looks complete, by golly I hope there's a robust and comprehensive description of that postcrania

[copper flame]

ones a dromaeosaurid and the others a deinonychosaur
I meant things like maip or murusaraptor

[sullen cairn]

unenlagia and pamparaptor both lived with megaraptor

ergo two dromaeosaurids living with a megaraptor

[light osprey]

Unenlagiinae known from Chorillo if you wanted Maip specifically

[copper flame]

which one?

[sullen cairn]

both

all three are from the same formation

[copper flame]

wait its just megaraptor

[sullen cairn]

megaraptor namunhuaiquii yeah

[copper flame]

got it 😄

[light osprey]

Chorrillo Ankylosaurian material is the one being described right

[sullen cairn]

the one in the svp abstract's la colonia

[copper flame]

so many indets O_O

[light osprey]

Lame

[west coral]

Fellers

[woeful falcon]

No horneri sadge

[sullen cairn]

hartman has a horneri
someone could probably scale something to that

[west coral]

Does he?

[woeful falcon]

Ye. Just gotta find it

[west coral]

This?

[woeful falcon]

Thats torosus

Found it

[west coral]

Alright fellers of fellerdom coming up

[unique sedge]

What was the longest dinosaur

[west coral]

Supersaurus or Barosaurus

One of the two

[lavish frigate]

Me. I am

[unique sedge]

maraapunisaurus fragillimus left the chat💀

[stiff osprey]

the chat? bro left existance

[unique sedge]

Don't pick in my son🐌🐌🐌

[stiff osprey]

get rebbaxed 💪

[west coral]

how do you lose a 3m vertebrae 💀

Did it evaporate? Did it somehow get misplaced?

[unique sedge]

Idk

[stiff osprey]

considering sauropod bones tend to get more pneumatic as they get larger, maraapuni's vert was probably like 95% air to begin with

[unique sedge]

Most of the remains that they found crumbled to dust on the journey to the east

[west coral]

So it did evaporate!

[unique sedge]

Yes

[west coral]

Fellers + horneri

Surprisingly small

[sullen cairn]

did you scale to the holotype

[west coral]

yes

[sullen cairn]

paratype's tibia is ~12% longer

which would be a good bit larger

[light osprey]

So, a normal sized Daspletosaurus

[nocturne gazelle]

It's so ugly, I love it

[sullen cairn]

daspletosaurus when disturbingly large gorgosaurus

[west coral]

with holotype and neotype

[sullen cairn]

love the leg articulation

what no neutral does to a mf

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495068

[light oxide]

Say, does anyone here have access to the femur, tibia, and metatarsal iii leg bones lengths for the Camptosaurus dispar specimen YPM PV 1887?

AKA, the holotype shown here with the largest Camptosaurus dispar specimen shown in the background:

[sullen cairn]

holotype's YPM 1877 not 1887 but idk about metatarsal iii measurements

might be in here somewhere

[woeful falcon]

Can you do this again but make it so horneri isn't hopping around on one leg

[copper flame]

do yall think dasp and gorgo mistaken eachother and started to breeding

[woeful falcon]

No

[sullen cairn]

considering the degree of hybridization possible in cetaceans i suppose it could be possible but frankly idk much about if that would apply to archosaurs

[ocean brook]

Any good skeletal for baurusuchus?

[sullen cairn]

come to think about it albertosaurines have a ghost lineage lasting like half the campanian

[sullen cairn]

they will be slaughtered

truly notosuchians were the dominant predator guild of their time

[ocean brook]

fr fr
notosuchian sweep

[storm heron]

What is the big one above URC R 44?

[sullen cairn]

prudente maxilla

UFRJ-DG409-R

[storm heron]

Ah

[ruby patio]

Plot twist: the maxilla is in fact not a carcharadontosaurid or an abelisaurid but actually a notosuchian

[covert lintel]

anklebiter sweep

[sullen cairn]

real?

[slow marsh]

Who are the ones with cranium?

[sullen cairn]

UFRJ-DG409-R is the maxillary fragment and urc 44-r is the premaxilla

[copper flame]

smart words me no understand

[sullen cairn]

thing one is catalogued as ufrj-dg409-r and thing two as urc 44-r

both are just abelisauridae indet

[storm heron]

Your capitalization is inconsistent, it confused me for 2 seconds

[sullen cairn]

i copy-pasted it the first time and just rewrote it the second

[storm heron]

Pfft

[west coral]

I tried to put it in neutral, my bad if it looks like it’s hopping around

[ruby patio]

Just photoshop a torosus leg onto it

Considering its just a silhouette

[west coral]

Fair

[west coral]

Thank you, table

[sullen cairn]

np

[west coral]

Is there a way you could also do that for hartmans Teratophoneus?

[sullen cairn]

there's already a neutral teratophoneus silhouette at least iirc

[west coral]

oh damn, where can I find it?

[sudden wind]

Ngl I wish for a Dasp PoT remodel, using D.horneri "D.wilsoni's skull and D.torosus.

[west coral]

wow thank you

Where’d you even find it?

[ruby patio]

I wonder what happened to the adult Teratophoneus skull

[heady thunder]

I ate it

[sudden wind]

https://fxtwitter.com/nhmu/status/1700666052546633854?s=46&t=RFBEQ_V0UC40Cebv282aAA

[sullen cairn]

terato thing was posted on 2.0, also minorly adjusted the femur position to practically zero effect on height

[storm heron]

Isn't there are possibility that the skull posted above is distinct from Teratophoneus?

[west coral]

Voila, new and improved chart

10t big paul as a bonus

[sullen cairn]

big paul my beloved

[stiff osprey]

paul get out of there they are eating you

[west coral]

if there is big paul, does that mean that there’s a small paul?

[sullen cairn]

this chart is clearly teratophoneus slander (i still prefer albertosaurus headswap bistahi over appalachiosaurus/dryptosaurus headswap bistahi as well but thats not the point)

you should add 8.7m cf. teratophoneus

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/man-watching-looking-fear-scared-gif-20121830

[chilly knot]

reminds me of the famous coach scenario

[west coral]

the what now

[sullen cairn]

we need someone to go to the wsc and try to measure that dynamoterror paratype

i refuse to take any scaling of the holotype seriously

[stiff osprey]

hasn't brian engh scaled it one time

[sullen cairn]

the paratype?

no comment

[stiff osprey]

this image assaults my eyes

[sullen cairn]

I love my tyrannosaurids in their natural wes anderon power junkie puppet state

[stiff osprey]

his skull reconstruction, while no more realistically colored, hurts much less to look at

and there are some numbers on the side so you could probably use it to scale the specimen if you wanted to

skull seems to be under 90 cm long, so certainly not a large tyrannosaur

[west coral]

added albertosaurine bistah and tables giant terato

big paul has grown fearful

[stiff osprey]

i would too if 11 tyrannosaurids that never met eachother were all standing in front of me

[hallow spear]

Idk why people keep using albetosaurine bistah

[west coral]

he can take them

[sullen cairn]

me when i scale the thing closest to tyrannosauridae with a basal tyrannosaurid from the same half of the continent

[west coral]

Added Atlasaurus

[sullen cairn]

attempt #1 at scaling comes up at just over 6.5m standing

[stiff osprey]

hm. i would suggest you like. not do that

(that as in use the perspectived photo of the largely speculative postcrania)

[sullen cairn]

skull was about 90cm on the dot pm-qj then

[stiff osprey]

premaxilla-quadratojugal? that would be about 7.8m using hartman's daspletosaurus and 8.3m using mine

mine might have too long of a tail, so ~8m

[sullen cairn]

dark box thing is 1m, darker region is the "115cm line"

weirdly enough stops before the anteriormost extremity of the premax

[stiff osprey]

oh, that did skew my view a bit, i thought the skull looked too small for an 8m animal

[sullen cairn]

yeah that got me too at first

[light oxide]

Hey Random -- would you happen to know how long the YPM PV 1877 specimen (holotype) of Camptosaurus dispar is?

[stiff osprey]

I do not, but I can measure iain's skeletal rq

[light oxide]

Mkay.

[stiff osprey]

YPM 1887 is 2.4 m in precaudal length, 4.6 m in total length. Precaudal is important because you'll see there is wild variation in tail length in Campto skeletals

[sullen cairn]

i have also elected to ignore that the vertical "1.65m line" is barely over a meter using the 115cm line

[stiff osprey]

i think that 6 is a zero that got partially erased

either that or 1.65m is the height from the ground, not from the bottom of the paper

[sullen cairn]

i'm assuming the latter because that would be a very inconveniantly erased zero

[stiff osprey]

oh i was working with a lower res

they blurred his ass

[light oxide]

Mkay.

I know the femur and tibia lengths for the specimen -- 565 mm for the femur, and 555 mm for the tibia. Would you happen to know what the metatarsal iii measurement could be, based on other specimens?

Since we didn't really get a metatarsal iii fossil from the holotype.

[stiff osprey]

I had just closed GIMP 💀

Iain reconstructs the mt3 as 224 mm long

[light oxide]

Oof, my apologies.

And I see, hmm.

What would a longer femur length compared to tibia length say about an animal's speed?

[sullen cairn]

slower

[light oxide]

I see.

Btw, what is GIMP? Never heard the phrase/term before.

[stiff osprey]

I do not know what it stands for, but it's the photoshop esque program most skeletal artists use

[sullen cairn]

i'm a sigma and use a web browser photoshop thing

[stiff osprey]

Oh wait it's GNU image manipulation program

[white matrix]

Gimps a drawing app for pc

[light oxide]

Interesting.

Say, Random, I know you did a speed calculation for the largest C. dispar specimen, with it being found to be slower than the adult Ceratosaurus and average sized Allosaurus specimens.

Did you happen to calculate the speed for the holotype too? If not, I can maybe go ahead and calculate it later on. You happen to know the rough estimated weight of the holotype specimen, and would the theropod speed calculation formula method work for Camptosaurus, or nah?

[chilly knot]

it is photoshop for poor people like me

[sullen cairn]

as we all know camptosaurus hopped around as its primary means of transit so unfortunately larramendi's biped equation would not apply

[stiff osprey]

real

I'm assuming YPM would be in the 500 kg area as that seems to be the regular Camptosaurus size

[clever sable]

Wait what???? What did you do to him

[gaunt raven]

Is this a good “bear dog” or Amphicyon artwork? I didn’t make it

[white matrix]

that works yeah, this is also pretty good

[gaunt raven]

Ok cool thanks

[woeful falcon]

Saving this bad boy

[novel atlas]

Julio, my beloved

[light oxide]

Okay, so when the Camptosaurus dispar holotype specimen runs bipedally like a standard theropod, it could run at ~33.639846912 km/h.

[woeful falcon]

for future reference, rounding the number would be nice haha. Not that I can't just do it myself ofc

[light oxide]

I just like stating the whole number.

[steady rock]

i always thought the columbian mammoth was giant due to primeval

but like, they overhyped it ToT

[stiff osprey]

compared with the other Primeval creatures it's pretty normal lmao

[steady rock]

i mean, werent most of the cenozic creatures accurate in that show?

[stiff osprey]

I guess yeah, but the paleozoic ones are anywhere from twice regular size to like 100x regular size

[steady rock]

im gonna assume this is nothing what Pristichampsus looks like

[stiff osprey]

first one from the left

[steady rock]

this looks nothing like any reptile i ever saw

[stiff osprey]

the craziest primeval episode was the one with the silurian land scorpions the size of a bus

that also moved around by burrowing at high speed

[compact leaf]

that show was nuts, I loved the future designs though

the giant gorgonopsid is so iconic but man

[steady rock]

how did the future predator keep dying to everything from the past

[heady thunder]

Cos the blast from the past goes waaaaaaaaay to hard

[stiff osprey]

the gorgonopsid vs the future predator is FIRE

[heady thunder]

Mr Gorgo fcking RKOED the bozo

[stiff osprey]

And that was a relatively fair fight, but the other time it lost was against the 20 foot tall columbian mammoth lol

no wonder it got impaled

[heady thunder]

Eh the gorgo let his guard down, it fcking rocked its sh$t when the fight started.

Punted that bat thing like it was a small dog

[copper flame]

whats the largest plesiosaur?

and longest

[west coral]

Aristonectes for largest

Albertonectes for longest, I’m pretty sure

[copper flame]

how much did aristonectes weigh

also does'nt pilo, and sachi count too

[bright veldt]

The largest plesiosaur is sachicasaurus. The longest can be like, a handful? A few species max out at like 12 meters.

[copper flame]

is kronosaurus valid btw

[bright veldt]

Yes. Everyone seems to universally agree the name change is stupid and doesn’t have much ground to stand on.

[copper flame]

what was the name change again?

[bright veldt]

Eiectus I believe?

[copper flame]

so krono got a name change for no reason

[sullen cairn]

elemgasem scaling: do you want to scale with 1/4 a cnemial crest or distal caudals

[copper flame]

whats the fastest plesiosaur

[bright veldt]

We have no way to know that

[west coral]

generic Abelisaurid #23

[copper flame]

biomechanics?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-dozen-never-heard-of-it-gif-23961326

[copper flame]

fall

[sullen cairn]

this thing totally needed to be named (why is it legitimately well described though)

[heady thunder]

Longlegosaurus

[west coral]

why is that described, but not Titanovenator?

Can we just undescribe that fella please

[light osprey]

Aristonectes should he the largest Cryptoclidian though, to answer your question in way which excludes Pliosauridae.

[sullen cairn]

because we need 3-5m south american brachyrostran described in the past five years #7

[copper flame]

how fast doe

[light osprey]

No one knows

[sullen cairn]

I'm becoming increasingly pissed off at how nice this paper is considering the overall crapiness of the material

[compact leaf]

has anyone tried to model plesiosaur speed? I know there’s a few out there for locomotion

[light osprey]

Don’t think so.

[copper flame]

you get small numbers when you look it up

[compact leaf]

I’m not entirely sure how you could model the speed come to think of it, aquatic species are difficult

[light osprey]

Maybe if PhP ever gets around to including the largest one in their maastrichtian documentary they’ll do some research in accordance

[light osprey]

Last paper was pretty old. So wouldn’t pay much attention to it

[copper flame]

I dont trust google when it come to dinosaurs

[west coral]

Some ceratopsians alongside the tyrannosaurs

[light osprey]

Are you just tossing genera into a size chart

[west coral]

Yes

[stiff osprey]

the right way to scale

[sullen cairn]

step 1: scale gat's albertaceratops skull to hartman's skeletal
step 2:

centrosaurine skull scaling 👍

[west coral]

what boredom does to a mf

adding hadrosaurs

[light oxide]

The largest Camptosaurus specimen in there, please.

( lol )

(It's the one in the background.)

[tranquil quartz]

KG is in the middle of getting described iirc

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[bright veldt]

It’s been in the middle of getting described for like a decade at least

[bright veldt]

Spinosaurus skeletal #15

[light oxide]

I'm assuming that's Random's work? The format looks familair.

[light osprey]

Less toothy than I was expecting

[tranquil quartz]

bruh
well tbf atleast it is getting described no matter how long it takes

[west coral]

Yeah

[sullen cairn]

pleasebeamajungasaurinepleasemeamajungasaurinepleasebeamajungasaurine

[light oxide]

Figured.

[west coral]

make a new african abelisaur clade including chenanisaurus

[sullen cairn]

titanovenaotor has a dentary preserved to hopefully the two can get figured out

[west coral]

Added a few hadrosaurs and classifieds big campto

Which, frankly, is horrifying

[keen forum]

yeah it's randoms im just happy that we have a nice update one out now

[light oxide]

And that large Camptosaurus dispar, from what Random once calculated, can run at ~30 km/h - ~37 km/h.

[copper flame]

whos thhe one in the middle

[west coral]

The big hadrosaur?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

[copper flame]

yeah

[west coral]

That’s big paul

[copper flame]

magnapaulia

[ocean brook]

When did the Triassic period start?

[stiff osprey]

~251 million years ago

[sullen cairn]

https://stratigraphy.org/ICSchart/ChronostratChart2023-06.pdf

[west coral]

Is Kemkemia a Spinosaur, Crocodile, or Carcharodontosaur?

[ruby patio]

Crocodile iirc

[west coral]

So something near Elosuchus?

[light osprey]

Ye

[copper flame]

is chilantaisaurus still a neovenatorid

[chilly knot]

no because the family doesnt exist anymore

[copper flame]

wait what.....

[chilly knot]

its all just carcharodontosauridae

[copper flame]

so chilantai is a carcharodontosaurid

[chilly knot]

Likely

[bright veldt]

I've always taken siats, chilantai, and neo as just outside of carcharodontosauridae rather than dealing with the neovenatorid crap

[copper flame]

so what are they than

[chilly knot]

Basal carchs

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-the-rock-meme-the-rock-talking-gif-24232158

[copper flame]

what about megaraptorids than

[sullen cairn]

tyrannosauroids or basal coelurosaurs

[copper flame]

is this thing valid

[chilly knot]

No

[sullen cairn]

bahariasaurus is a theropod(s?) that exist and thats the maximum extent of what can be confidently said about it

[copper flame]

skeletal?

[sullen cairn]

no

there is this as a noasaurid though

[copper flame]

nice

is ouranosaurus aquatic

[sullen cairn]

no

bahariasaurus is better acknowledged as a dust that should be ignored

[light osprey]

I hear Deltadromeus is a better contender for giant Noasaurid

[sullen cairn]

anything's a better contender at being a giant anything than bahariasaurus

[light osprey]

real

[white matrix]

What about spinastropheus

Or elaphrosaurus

[white matrix]

Dude that pic is inaccurate

Its about human sized

Wait about taller than a human

[sullen cairn]

clearly the coelurosaur-spinosaur hodgepodge skeletal is a better reference (why are we still talking about this thing it shouldn't exist )
Also the legs are mid stride so of course it appears shorter

[storm heron]

Speaking of things that shouldn't exist, I have a question about Dakotaraptor

Now I understand that it is emphasized that the holotype of Dakotaraptor does not have enough evidence of belonging to a Dromeaosaurid, but does that mean there wasn't a medium-large sized dromeaosaurid roaming Hell Creek?

Before the publishment of Dakotaraptor holotype, wasn't there possible evidence of medium-large sized dromeaosaurids in Hell creek through teeth?

[sullen cairn]

caudal could still be dromaeosaurid and afaik that applies to the metatarsal
there's probably some moderately-sized teeth around too

[storm heron]

Ah

[heady thunder]

So theres a dromeosaur in hell creek to which someof the the dakoraptor remains belong to, but we cant call it dakotaraptor because?

[sullen cairn]

its not diagnostic on the generic level

[heady thunder]

Explain in PoT terms

[sullen cairn]

its a raptor but we can't figure out what it is beyond being a raptor

[heady thunder]

But if its a raptor, wont it end up being named dakotaraptor anyways? Cos of the oldest name rule thing.

[sullen cairn]

it's too fragmentary for any future raptor material to be considered the same animal

ie dromaeosaurid species can't be distinguished by their own posterior caudals, so any future hell creek posterior caudals would not be able to be referred to "dakotaraptor"

none of the current dromaeosaurid material has characters that could be used in defining a specific species

so neither metatarsal nor the caudal has any unique traits that make them unique from other dromaeosaurs

[white matrix]

Dakoraptor is bigger than utah right?

[sullen cairn]

no

[white matrix]

Oh just a thinner utah

[cloud dagger]

Is that all remains of utah we know in that pic

[sullen cairn]

there's more stuff its prolly either not described or figured
utah has tons of stuff from the block

but yeah current dakota material is comparatively small next to the largest utahraptor

[ruby patio]

Is the grey one the washington vert

[sullen cairn]

nah

washington thing seems more anterior anyways

[ruby patio]

Time to scale isolated caudal vertebra

[light oxide]

Not gonna lie . . . That size is reminding me of Stenonychosaurus . . .

Especially since Latenivenatrix is now considered just as Stenonychosaurus, meaning that it could actually reach larger sizes, somewhat.

Just a thought that came on my mind in regards of the Dakotaraptor situation.

[scenic flame]

Iirc this recon is severely outdated

[pearl briar]

what is Staurikosaurus most up-to-date length & weight?
haven't heard that pal for abt 3 years since the last time i played Dino Hunter: Deadly Shores

[bright veldt]

Said “dromaeosaur” material from Dakotaraptor can easily not be as well, whether it to be ornithomimid or tyrannosaur

[frail robin]

What's going on with Hell Creek?

[sudden wind]

THE BLOCK PROVIDES!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646190557642752010/970054168238784512/trim.9F8C66F7-1928-4B6B-8846-37B930069596.mov

[light osprey]

It’s the return of my lord and saviour, D. albertensis to the Hell Creek 😎

oh nvmd it’s still a big ass caudal

[frigid nacelle]

"its about human sized" shows a 3 foot monstrosity

[west coral]

Finally found a good Thanato ref

he is tiny

[undone parcel]

to be fair all we have of thanato is a sub adult

[west coral]

fair

[undone parcel]

i love..going back to Lurdusaurus just to admire it as Hippo iguanodon cause everything about it is huge

[sullen cairn]

tbh lurdu isn't that weird and afaik isn't especially massive (but who knows the thing has a garbage description)

[clever sable]

RIP large dromie, bro is too fragmentary

[undone parcel]

i mean i saw its hand and..its wrists are just blocky

[sullen cairn]

proud member of the "violated by sucho" club

[light osprey]

And the other big predator from Elrhaz as well I suppose

[undone parcel]

isnt..C. Iguistedens from around Elrhaz or at least the same timeframe

no its Echkar

[sullen cairn]

still isn't having much fun with eocarch

[light osprey]

Oh there’s three big predators from Elrhaz

[sullen cairn]

sucho, eocarcharia, and obviously kryptops

[light osprey]

😐

[sullen cairn]

cristatusaurus

[light osprey]

This is diabolical

[woeful falcon]

I like how kryptops was the obvious one and not suchomimus

[sullen cairn]

cristatusaurus is the more based angaturama of africa

oh giant lurdusaurus is from femoral circumference
that's fun

[light osprey]

there’s a giant Neosuchian from this place

[undone parcel]

is Eckhar the same time as Elrhaz..

[light osprey]

Younger

[undone parcel]

so Kapro wouldnt have had a chance to see Sucho

[west coral]

Add Nigersaurus for comparison

Speaking of scaling, Aegyptosaurus gets violated by every Bahariya theropod

[light osprey]

He’s just a lil guy

[undone parcel]

except Delta cause i doubt a noasaur could feasably take a sauroupod

[light osprey]

I wonder what sort of environmental conditions allows a Noasaurid to get so big

[sullen cairn]

either there's a giant nigersaurus hartman isn't telling us about or he just really miscaled a 1m femur

[west coral]

I mean, there’s no real evidence that it’s a noasaur

[undone parcel]

current concensus says noasaur

besides name a more terrifying thought then a giant noasaur

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure that’s for Deltadromeus

[undone parcel]

i thought we were talking about delta

[west coral]

Giant alvarezsaur

[light osprey]

Erm, then we’ll use Austrocheirus 😎👍

[west coral]

We’re talking about the practically mythical Bahariasaurus

[sullen cairn]

austrocheirus is big for a noasaur but it's not massive

[light osprey]

I think it’s big enough to be interesting

[undone parcel]

it exists as something but the material is either destroyed or just undiagnostic bones or something

[west coral]

Austrocheirus, Spinostropheus and Deltadromeus are the largest noasaurs, right?

[undone parcel]

i hate Spinostropheus cause io keep getting it mixed up with the sauropod

[sullen cairn]

iirc dryptosauroides is bigger than austro

[light osprey]

Spinostropheus is harder to be certain of. The other two I think you can slide on in to the family though

[west coral]

What is it with ceratosaurians and being described with two or less bones

[undone parcel]

terrible preservation bias

[light osprey]

It’s fun and gives us giant Noasaurids. I approve

[sullen cairn]

drypto's marginally larger than austro
at least with justin's skeletal

[west coral]

Justin has a dryptosauroides skeletal?

[light osprey]

That’s wild

[west coral]

Nice

[sullen cairn]

sassy has one too which seems a bit smaller

[light osprey]

I’m glad single vertebrae like these are getting the attention they deserve

[undone parcel]

im pretty sure Dryptosauroids is in Larramendis theropod book and is like twice or so that size

[sullen cairn]

its like 1.5t or something ridicolous

[light osprey]

Yeah, looked sus

[white matrix]

Are we talking about the tyrannosauroid dryptosaurus?

[undone parcel]

no the noasaur Dryptosauroides

[light osprey]

One of many enigmatic silly goose noasaurs

[white matrix]

Noasaurs are confusing

[undone parcel]

he has Spinostropheus at 8.5 meters and 600 kg

[sullen cairn]

more like huene and matley having a field day naming crappy indian fossils the 30s

[undone parcel]

and Dryptosauroides at 10 m and 1.5 tons

[light osprey]

We making it out of lecho with this one. Bro has skull material and everything

[sullen cairn]

i hope wilson kills them all

[west coral]

They decided that everything was similar to some random theropod

Coeluroides, Dryptosauroides

[sullen cairn]

coeluroides compsosuchus jubbulpuria ornithomimoides and dryptosauroides totally deserve to exist

[light osprey]

nomen dubium nomen dubs ✅

[sullen cairn]

who let bro cook 😭

[undone parcel]

isnt that like Deltadromeus size

[light osprey]

It’s lameta sized

[sullen cairn]

"giant" rajasaurus when you actually scale it with rajasaurus' preserved elements

[undone parcel]

see i always thought raja was a decently big animal

[sullen cairn]

its about a ton and the "giant" one is only a few hundred kilos larger

[west coral]

nanuq is tiny

[light osprey]

New abstract said it wasn’t. Idr why though

[west coral]

maybe new undescribed material?

[light osprey]

I think it’s the same undescribed material we’ve had

[woeful falcon]

if you're going with Jen's, this might fair you better

just got to uh, scale them up to one of the bigger ones which are behind everything

[light osprey]

7 metre one is what I’d be referring to, which I think the abstract estimates at 8

[bright veldt]

AFAIK the current size with undescribed material is like, 7 meters long? I wouldn’t be surprised if 8 either tho

[light osprey]

Druckenmiller really on a mission to make Nanuqsaurus as boring as possible

[woeful falcon]

"Theropod regression equations predict an adult body size of approximately 8 m and a body mass of 1620–1900 kg"

From the abstract

there's also a 9-10m estimate using direct proportional scaling

so in other words, whatever estimate you go with is more typical tyrannosaurid size

[west coral]

Alright thanks

[light osprey]

Yeah like I said, boring

[west coral]

Fixed, and it looks better now

[keen forum]

as a reminder as of the svp's he's about 8-10m depending on the material cause we have 2 adults now

[woeful falcon]

literally posted about the svp 3 comments later

[keen forum]

yeah about that as well is that nanuq also loses his name

now a nomen dubium

it's quite sad

[light osprey]

Another Druckenmiller L

[woeful falcon]

where does it say that in the abstract

[sullen cairn]

Based on the holotype material, the taxon is erected
on problematic features, and the indicators of
ontogenetic maturity are equivocal. Nevertheless, we
recognize possible new diagnostic features in the
currently undescribed specimens.

seems more like adding new characters than an invalidation

[woeful falcon]

that was the impression I got as well

[west coral]

Added dynamoterror just for fun

So that’s about all the meduim-large tyrannosaurs from north america

[sullen cairn]

cryptotyrannus and teihivenator still has eutyrannosaur bits

if you want to to appalachia

and mcranesis has a recon w/ scalebar in the sierraceratops description

probably isn't great though

i like how tyrannosauridae being node-based only matters because it screws over bistahieversor

[west coral]

if you could give me a good ref for either of them I would gladly add them

[sullen cairn]

teihivenator (some of its chimeric) and cryptotyrannus

Teihovenator’s a terrible taxon in general and cryptotyrannus is nomen nudum

[west coral]

~2 meters is a great form of measurement

[sullen cairn]

Yeah they aren’t the best references but better than nothing

And you could prolly add appalachisaurus and dryptosaurus while you’re at it

[west coral]

Alright

Ill just take the benefit of the doubt and say it is 2m

[sullen cairn]

It is iirc the description also has a 2m scale bar for some reason

Also there’s another dynamoterror skeletal

[west coral]

Dynamo’s gonna have to do the Michael Jackson lean

Aswell as making it substantially smaller

What I’ve got so far

[compact leaf]

a very diagnostic name worthy creature

ignore all those fragmentary sauropods we don’t talk about them

[west coral]

Abelisauroids are the kings of being fragmentary

[copper flame]

newest invalid dinosaur thats been valid for awhile?

[sullen cairn]

daspletosaurus wilsoni's probably gonna get killed soon

although that thing's only like a year old

[copper flame]

wow

[tranquil quartz]

Sauropods especially Megasauropods

[woeful falcon]

when there's almost nothing so your reconstruction based on lythronax is basically just lythronax

[compact leaf]

I don’t see a ton of genera being sank with megasauropods but titanosaur and somphospondyl taxonomic revisions are going to be big when someone gets around to it

[sullen cairn]

i'm 90% sure some dark magic was involved in dynamoterror's paratype having an overlapping element through some miracle

[woeful falcon]

and what a wonderful miracle that was

[compact leaf]

just waiting on another sauropod to piss larramendi off so he goes on another bender

we have to worry about curtice too, he’s scheming I can feel it

[west coral]

Fair

[west coral]

And there we have it, every medium-large North American tyrannosaur

[woeful falcon]

What about Tyrannosaurus itself lol

[light oxide]

The real question.

[west coral]

Fella is so obese he counts as huge

But sure

[woeful falcon]

I mean if you're gonna count some of the rinky dink ones as medium I so no reason to not count rex as large haha

Specially since. Well. It is lol

[sullen cairn]

large upper late cretaceous theropods: generally 3-5t
rex:

[bright veldt]

A black hole

[sullen cairn]

this is fine

rex casually being 2-3x larger than contemporary megatheropods

[white matrix]

Rex just one shots poor maip huh

[west coral]

I mean, small compared to Rex, which is around 8-10 tons

[woeful falcon]

Small compared to most things in this

Like, even just at this little end its a pretty noticeable difference in size

[west coral]

yeah teihivenator is a little bit of a cheat card since it doesn’t fit into the size range

[sullen cairn]

larramendi had it at 6.7m (which he called a tooth for some reason even though it was correctly labled as the holotype)

[west coral]

Had to shove it to the back to have it not be blocked by half of the fellers

So there you have it

Every described upper cretaceous tyrannosaur from NA

[woeful falcon]

From NA

Now do asia!

[sullen cairn]

teihivenator's the opposite of properly described but that's irrelevant

[west coral]

👍

[woeful falcon]

Don't actually please

[west coral]

That’ll be fairly easy, there’s Qianzhou, A. Altai, A. Remotus, Barga, Tarbo and Zhucheng

[sullen cairn]

the 3000 referred teeth of alectrosaurus

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[pearl briar]

Y'KNOW WHAT?!
THAT'S IT
I HATE YOU GUYS
unspino ur spino

[sullen cairn]

its him
saurus

[light oxide]

Ngl, that right there looks like a swimmer.

[west coral]

Woah thanks for the irritator

[gaunt raven]

The peak form for swimming right there

[vocal breach]

No way it’s baryonyx

[west coral]

curse GAT and his inability to make things in neutral

[vocal breach]

Hope Dan Folkes makes more large tyrannosaur skeletals

I wanna see what he does with tarbo

[sullen cairn]

i like joans as is personally

[woeful falcon]

As do I. Though it could get the cartilage treatment if it hasn't already

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[west coral]

While I make the asia chart, have this

[sullen cairn]

bro is a flatfish in lateral

[gaunt raven]

Why is that sauropod built like that

[light oxide]

What in the holy Camptosaurus god is that sauropod?

[west coral]

rebbachisaurus

[gaunt raven]

That’s just the silhouette of a ray stuck to the back of a regular sauropod

[west coral]

i don’t like him

[sullen cairn]

please use this for the sake of my eyes

[light oxide]

I was just about to post that too, Table.

[west coral]

flatfish looking ass

[light oxide]

Question for you all -- which of these three Suchomimus skeletals is the best one at the moment?

[sullen cairn]

Dan’s

[lavish frigate]

This is spinosaurus lame cousin just called saurus

[stiff osprey]

Osaurus

[lavish frigate]

Ok who tadpoled the other ones

[west coral]

Anyone got a good ref for Chingkankousaurus?

[sullen cairn]

congratulations nobody's even mentioned that thing on this server before you

i'd prolly just scale some alectrosaurus-grade skeletal to 6.1m since that's larramendi's length for it

something like this should be fine (+rescale obviously)

[light oxide]

The study that went over the bone density that also discovered about Spinosaurus's high bone density.

[lavish frigate]

Why’d they tadpole them

[stiff osprey]

because the only spinosaurid with a known tail was spinosaurus

(this is no longer the case, riparovenator's tail is more or less normal)

[lavish frigate]

So not all phish 😎

[stiff osprey]

spinosaurinae probably had the paddle, baryonychinae probably not

[lavish frigate]

Look at this thing….short paddle legs….tadpole tail….croco face….every instinct in your body says my man was swimming……but no

[west coral]

Which is better, Patch’s or Hartmans Qianzhou?

[light osprey]

Hartman

[storm heron]

Just add a more "average" sized Tyrannosaurus like "Stan" or AMNH 5027.

Also, what is that huge Megaraptoran . . .

[light osprey]

Maip… cause it says contemporaries

[gaunt raven]

The bary probably was a “tadpole” tbh, sucho though 😬

[bronze storm]

I still stand on the theory that spinosaurus didn’t exsist

[lavish frigate]

Big dinosaur be making up dinosaurs for publicity fr fr 😔

[bronze storm]

We’re getting it all wrong, it must be a different creature

[storm heron]

There, much better

[sullen cairn]

tfw this is reasonably complete for an abelisaur described in the past five years

[light osprey]

Who is this lovely fella

[sullen cairn]

tralkasaurus

which had only two actually useful figures for this

[light osprey]

Ew Cenomanian

[sullen cairn]

this thing has the most pathetic pubis fathomable

man

[west coral]

upper cretaceous asia done

[sullen cairn]

top predator of huincul

[sullen cairn]

which zhuch skeletal did ya use

[west coral]

skye

[sullen cairn]

[west coral]

who is this miniscule carcharodontosaur

[sullen cairn]

taurovenator, the best carch

[west coral]

alright time to change it

[sullen cairn]

me when zhuch has smaller preserved elements than tarbo

[west coral]

Is Fran’s alright?

[sullen cairn]

prolly passable enough, but you can get zhu real small if you want
what having crap material does to a mf

[woeful falcon]

It'll do the job. The only one I know of otherwise I think is Joans's? I think they have one, based on their old tarbo recon tho

[west coral]

Joan has a Zhucheng?

[woeful falcon]

If I recall correctly. But its barely any different from tarbo outside of the size.

I would have to dig around for it

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

i think zhu's like 9.7m scaling with joan's most recent tarbo though

the new one's like a meter longer iirc

wait nvm here we go

[woeful falcon]

Perfect

[sullen cairn]

in all seriousness safest bet's prolly just taking the tarbo and making it ~89% the size for zhucheng

[lavish frigate]

Has anyone seen the paleo accurate ARG on twitter/X that’s going on

[west coral]

Have I missed any?

[sullen cairn]

albertosaurus? pericolosus
it's a tooth taxon with some very tentatively referred postcrania that's effectively tyrannosauridae indet

larramendi estimated one of the teeth at 6.7m and there's a caudal that's 9.7m scaling with gorgosaurus

[west coral]

Alright

Added Moros just to have the title of every upper cretaceous tyrannosaur

[sullen cairn]

also brick has an alectrosaurus skeletal if you want to use that instead of the wikipedia one

suski's also NA

there's also the to-be mcraensis

no clue if it has a better reference though

[west coral]

Does brick have any more theropods?

[sullen cairn]

he has most of the alectrosaurs grade things and a bunch of other stuff

[west coral]

Could you ship some of them over?

[sullen cairn]

https://www.deviantart.com/gunnarbivens/gallery/73617081/theropods
also a few on his deviantart

[west coral]

Oh damn nice

Suskityrannus is tiny

dog sized feller

[sullen cairn]

in suski's defence it isn't fully grown

[west coral]

fair, but it would probably cap around the size of moros

[digital sentinel]

hello everyone I'm new to the game I play on my phone and I can't change servers can you tell me how I can I want to play please

I have a iphone

[west coral]

Are Alamotyrannus and T. Mcraensis the same thing?

[sullen cairn]

different

mcraensis is latest campanian-earliest maastrichtian

[west coral]

woohoo finally done

[sullen cairn]

...i mean if you really wanted to you could add alamotyrannus

[west coral]

yes

You have a reference, by chance?

[storm heron]

Who's the Abelisaurid?

[west coral]

Tralkasaurus

[sullen cairn]

afaik there isn't any good alamo skeletal cause it's essentially a placeholder for general alamo wash tyrannosaur material rn, but larramendi estimated a vertebra at 10.7m so that's probably your best bet

[storm heron]

Ohh, forgot about Tralkasaurus

[sullen cairn]

i think everybody forgets about tralkasaurus

[west coral]

the final piece of the puzzle

every described upper cretaceous tyrannosaur

i swear to god if there’s one more

[woeful falcon]

There's probably loads of unnamed tyrannosaur specimens you could still throw on there. Truthfully I would have just stuck with the formally described stuff

[west coral]

I could probably make another whole chart with the undescribed fellers

So I’m just sticking with the described ones, with the exception of T. mcraensis and Alamotyrannus

And Cryptotyrannus

[sullen cairn]

crypto's described just not officially named

[west coral]

👍

any more i should know about and/or add

[sullen cairn]

there's suciasaurus but idk the exact measurements for the thing

[west coral]

Man, I can’t even find this thing on Google scholar

[sullen cairn]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0127792
it's here but not mentioned by name

[west coral]

It’s a little bit difficult to figure out size because there’s no scale for the femur figure, just for the femur tip

[sullen cairn]

theropod sheet has it at 10.7m total so that probably has some basis somewhere

[west coral]

Speaking of theropod sheet, when did Sauroniops get so big?

[sullen cairn]

partial frontal scaling 👍
feel free to ignore it

[west coral]

i am finished for the night

[sullen cairn]

that's a lotta tyrannosauroids

[storm heron]

Where is Nanotyrannus

[ruby patio]

Scale the indet material now lmao

[lime tapir]

wowzers

someone try and name every single one

[pearl briar]

look at rex being the big bro in his family

[light osprey]

You tempt me

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[lime tapir]

do it my g

[light osprey]

I must resist

[west coral]

feed into the insanity

[white matrix]

Do it reject the cringeness

[west coral]

do it for the vine

[light osprey]

Unrelated apparently someone attributed some pterosaur material in Gramame to Nyctosaurus.

[west coral]

A brazilian nyctosaur?

[bronze storm]

You should add names

[light osprey]

I am bamboozled as well

[white matrix]

Will we get it

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-possibly-star-wars-gif-9950995

[kindred hawk]

ok so ive discoverd stys are really good i 1v1 a sarco bro should not have mist his charge bite

[gaunt raven]

Ok? Why say that in this chane?

[white matrix]

#path-of-titans

[lavish frigate]

I’m here too spread the joy of paleo ARG troodontid

[kindred hawk]

WTF IS THAT AT THE DOOR!!!!!!!!??????

[white matrix]

Dont worry, its just a dog. Its a little weird.. but still, just a dog

[lavish frigate]

Bipedal Dog with sickle claws and feathers fr fr

[lavish frigate]

Troodontid

[uneven pine]

Omw to pet it knowing full well I will be slashed to death

[lavish frigate]

I mean it did eat a kid

[uneven pine]

Troodontid named princess 🥰

[lavish frigate]

Troodontid named princess vs troodontid named destroyer

[gaunt raven]

Thoughts?

[gaunt raven]

What is that troodontid picture from?

[lavish frigate]

A horror ARG type thing going on on the site formally known as twitter X

Aka what I’ve been dreaming of for years

[white matrix]

I- i- i- i cant-

[rough creek]

What wins in a fight, 2 giganotosaurus, or paleoloxodon (idk the giant elephant)

[gaunt raven]

Ah, that’s cool

[gaunt raven]

That was my reaction too 💀, who is authorizing these supposed “findings”

[boreal ore]

Bruh

[gaunt raven]

I think it’s supposed to be a joke? I really hope it is because that’s wrong in so many ways

[lavish frigate]

Yeah they have troodontids small paravian/dromaeosaurs anurognathids and possibly a large theropod and thalassodromeus

[gaunt raven]

That’s very nice

[west coral]

give me about 5 1/2 years sure

[bronze storm]

Ill be waiting

[west coral]

Does anyone have a neutral Nanotyrannus?

[nocturne gazelle]

Can you post a link to that article?

[light osprey]

why would you include Nanotyrannus

[tranquil quartz]

Because its real

i am mentally insane

[light osprey]

Mm yes

[west coral]

i already included raptorex in my asian chart, so why not

[light osprey]

Oh dear, the horror

[west coral]

never mind then

unless table gives me one

[west coral]

21 fellas in all

[gaunt raven]

It’s saying that the link is invalid?? Maybe the article got deleted for how stupid it was 💀

[light osprey]

Ew

[sudden wind]

Raptorex being its own thing is basically Nanotyrannus but real.

[sullen cairn]

ZIPHODONT NAASHOIBITO TEETH ZIPHODONT NAASHOIBITO TEETH ZIPHODONT NAASHOIBITO TEETH

[sudden wind]

Though, we know it still is an actively growing animal.

[sullen cairn]

i hope bagaraatan ends up explicitly distinct from tarbo and raptorex for maximum nemegt trolling

three nemegt tyrannosaurines would be funny

[chilly knot]

Lamborlobator victim

[sullen cairn]

real

[west coral]

if i add one more tyrannosaurus synonym the universe will collapse would dinotyrannus be a good idea or nah

[heady thunder]

Add all the siluethes for all the specimens for every species, no balls

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/man-watching-looking-fear-scared-gif-20121830

Tyrannosaurus rex alone would fill up the entire chart

[light osprey]

Paleo chart atrocities being committed

[west coral]

i was scraping the bottom of the barrel with Nanotyrannus, i shall not commit any more atrocities

[sullen cairn]

[white matrix]

Is this from the theropod data base?

[sullen cairn]

ye

[white matrix]

Wtf is deinodontidae

[sullen cairn]

synonym of tyrannosauridae

[light osprey]

Can’t wait till Alamotyrannus dissipates forever

[sullen cairn]

you can't escape the alamo wash tyrannosaurid material

[compact leaf]

there’s an abstract for svp that relates to it iirc, it’s a southern tyrannosaurid at least

I would go back and dig to try and find it but I’m not putting myself through that again

[sullen cairn]

that's "mcraensis" from the earlier hall lake formation

different taxon

[west coral]

deinodon and aublysodon i can add if i can get a good ref, i am not touching Ornithomimus tenuis

[compact leaf]

there’s like 3 papers about microraptor flight capabilities this year lol

[light osprey]

Are they all congruent?

[compact leaf]

at least two are different authors but one is specifically about the implications about the hindwings

[sullen cairn]

larramendi to the rescue

[west coral]

yippie

[sullen cairn]

most of em can just use das or something as base

[light osprey]

Nanuqsaurus back when it wasn’t totally boring 😔

[west coral]

juvenile

[storm heron]

Last I checked, I thought we didn't know if Raptorex was found in the Nemegt Formation?

[bright veldt]

It’s debated, but 66 mya is significantly more likely than the other option

[storm heron]

Thats time though, what about place? As in, its more likely that it was late surviving Tyrannosaurid but from where?

[sullen cairn]

Iirc raptorex is probably a derived tyrannosaurine

[bright veldt]

Juvenile tarbo moment

[sullen cairn]

Problem is it’s probably distinct from tarbo so maximum trolling
Raptorex is probably from nemegt though

[storm heron]

Nanotarbosaurus lets go

So we possibly have five Tyrannosaurids roaming Nemegt at shared and/or different times

[sullen cairn]

Yup

[storm heron]

Niche partitioning is strong in this.

[sullen cairn]

Too bad we don’t know how big raptorex or bagaraatan were getting

[storm heron]

Speculation time

Bigger than Tyrannosaurus, boom, done, solved.

[sullen cairn]

The bad ending

[storm heron]

Seriously though, five Tyrannosaurids, now that is something that is beyond me.

[west coral]

a full 25 fellers

[sullen cairn]

Are there any other formations with that many 500kg+ predators of the same family coexisting (assuming adult raptorex and bagaraatan weren’t obscenely small tyrannosaurids)

[storm heron]

Well, not from the same . . . actually, I wager that is the case with a lot of formations that have Abelisaurids

[west coral]

Maybe Bahariya or Kem Kem?

[little mauve]

Bagaraatan isn't a tyrannosauroid anymore?

[sullen cairn]

Huincul has three and Baja de la carpa and anacleto have a couple
Plus however lameta pans out

[storm heron]

Lameta formation, Kem Kem, La Colonia, Allen Formation, Huincil formation, Canderelos formation

Im assuming the Bauru group also has that possibility of Abelisaurids co-existing with each other.

Oh, what about that formation where Gorgosaurus and Daspletosaurus (not Abelisaurids) co-existed?

[sullen cairn]

DP is just those two

[storm heron]

For now . . . .

[west coral]

ok with NA tyrannosaurs out of the way what should i make a chart of next, boredom is grasping at my feet

[sullen cairn]

Something with abelisaurids

[storm heron]

Oh yea, surely the formation with Kenyan Titan has multiple

[sullen cairn]

Therefore, we conclude that the Bagaraatan ostromi lectotype is a juvenile tyrannosauroid, most likely a tyrannosaurid.

turkana has titanovenator and another medium sized thing

[west coral]

that one French formation with one sound nice?

[sullen cairn]

tremp is indet upon indet

[storm heron]

Isn't Tremp Spain? or am I wrong

[west coral]

No the actual French one

[sullen cairn]

there's a couple french taxa but afaik none of them have enough stuff to be worth a chart

[little mauve]

Thanks!

[west coral]

Argiles et Grès à Reptiles Formation

[storm heron]

They added Nanotyrannus to the chart, Nanotyrannus

[sullen cairn]

gres a reptiles could be neat then

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-laughting-laughting-laught-black-man-funny-gif-27638451

[sullen cairn]

you'd probably need to get that stupid "cach maxilla" there worked out though

[storm heron]

Adding La Boucharde or Pouciex taxon would be child's play to you

[sullen cairn]

also aren
there's a couple that aren't from a designated formation as well (genusaurus and some more indet crap)

[storm heron]

Oh yea, forgot about Genusaurus and Betasuchus

[west coral]

noasaurs, my weakness!

[sullen cairn]

genusaurus is a majungasaurine nowadays
betasuchus is a thing i always forget exists

[storm heron]

Yea but Netherlands Abelisaurid is a fun concept

[sullen cairn]

swamp german bratwurst

[west coral]

I might need a little help with finding references for some of the fellers

[sullen cairn]

I’ve scaled a couple of the teeth already

[west coral]

hand em over