paleontology

[sullen cairn]

megaraptoran vitakridrinda

[light osprey]

A take of all time

[steep atlas]

all

[light osprey]

It might not be a hot take, but I think it would be nice if all the attention to the northern Lancian group formations was directed elsewhere

[copper flame]

cool

[steep atlas]

you dare question t rex and triceratops primacy

[compact leaf]

no no I think we should just forget about all those other formations, not like there's anything interesting there

[sullen cairn]

how about southern lancian groups

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-25976706

[compact leaf]

just so you know I'm not going to say it, I know you know what I'm thinking about

I won't take the bait because I'll breathe one word and get sent to the dunce corner

[sullen cairn]

southern laramidia when campanian tyrannosaurus

[light osprey]

Africa is definitely a maastrichtian hidden gem of endemic fauna I think. Let’s go over there more

[sullen cairn]

africa probably has so many clades we thought died out earlier, we just need to find them....

[compact leaf]

I think you're on to something there, northern europe too you can't bait me into saying it

more african expeditions in general would be great, there's so many interesting formations there with some real oddballs

[sullen cairn]

...oddballs including anachronastic clades, who's survival while surprising, would make sense

[compact leaf]

on the subject of anachronistic clades that I will be skirting around there's a lot of really weird scattered stegosaurian fossils

I got down a rabbit hole and there's more early cretaceous stegosaurians than I realized, it's just that none of them are described

[light osprey]

Pteranodontid diversity is what I’m curious about

[sullen cairn]

the last stegosaur?

[compact leaf]

ok and apparently there's a random kazakhstan stegosaurian from the late cretaceous, but it isn't described so we basically know nothing about it and can't even get a more specific time range

it very well might not be a stegosaurian but what exactly it is is unclear

[sullen cairn]

i hate the last stegosaur i hate the last stegosaur i hate the last stegosaur i hate the last stegosaur

[light osprey]

Formation name?

[compact leaf]

what is the last stegosaur? there's something horrifying I'm missing here isn't there

[steady rock]

how fast was Barinasuchus?

[sullen cairn]

you're better off not knowing

[compact leaf]

none 🙂

[steady rock]

km said it could run as fast as a grizzly, falcon objected, so whats yor guys answers?

[light osprey]

I found it

[compact leaf]

I looked up that name and couldn't find an actual formation for it

[compact leaf]

well now I just need to know, you can't tease me with horrors beyond my comprehension and then just not elaborate

[compact leaf]

ok I remember now

[sullen cairn]

it doesn't even have preserved limbs

[hidden swallow]

Any updates to the hatz coming to official

[light osprey]

Okay. Is this real cause I’m bamboozled

[tough parcel]

Did someone say the last stegosaur?

[sullen cairn]

holy crap
the last stegosaur on the planet

[tough parcel]

The last EVER stegosaur to exist!!

[sullen cairn]

by jove they've found it!

[clever sable]

The hell is the last stegosaur

[sullen cairn]

its the last stegosaur on the planet

[clever sable]

I think someone should post the link so I can learn about it fr fr

[clever sable]

Well uh, how do we know its the last????

[sullen cairn]

the last stegosaur

[tough parcel]

The last stegosaur…to exist…

[sullen cairn]

..on the planet

[clever sable]

What is it

[sullen cairn]

guys check out the last stegosaur on the planet
https://twitter.com/df9465/status/1644869635269963777

Denver Fowler Ph.D (@df9465)

This is probably the most exciting thing I found in the Psittacosaurus beds - "the last stegosaur on earth", a dorsal vertebra (diagnostic for stegosaurs), some ribs, and another centrum. AFAIK the site has never been excavated. :(

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2023, 1:07 AM

[noble dune]

The last stegosaur to exist

[compact leaf]

on the earth...

[steep atlas]

The Last Stegosaur

[clever sable]

Butbutbut how do we know it's the last

[noble dune]

Because...

It's the last stegosaur

[clever sable]

[sullen cairn]

...on earth

[compact leaf]

...ever....

[sullen cairn]

mongolostegus is younger anyways lmao

[chilly knot]

No way the last stegosaur

[sullen cairn]

the last stegosaur on earth!!!

[clever sable]

No, I'm the last stegosaur on earth

[light osprey]

Okay it’s not real. This chat is poopy

[chilly knot]

Alright cool. But have you heard of the last stegosaur?

[sullen cairn]

in more pertinent news general psa on urc 44-r (mr big adamantina abelisaur) and why you shouldn't call it an adult pycno

[sterile trail]

Dinosaurs have come so far...

[clever sable]

How large was hatz and was it actually larger than quetz?

[tough parcel]

Everything outside the holotype is referred with 0 overlap so good luck

[clever sable]

Bruh...........

[light osprey]

This feels backhanded but this fella is unironically majestic.
Listen to that screech ☺️

[copper flame]

it was heavier but not taller in height

[pearl briar]

top 7 largest theropod with their most up-to-date length and weight 2023?

[gaunt raven]

How’s this Barinasuchus looking? Any glaring inaccuracies?

[sullen cairn]

on my way to gut abelisaurus' size

me (aerosteon's strongest soldier) about to kill abelisaurus (sinner)

[light osprey]

Doing the lord’s work

[sullen cairn]

already 87% length and thats not even taking into account the proportionally shorter skull

preliminary estimate is 6.9m
man has been knocked out of 7m+ crew

[stiff osprey]

bro is just removing preserved bone from the animal

[tough parcel]

Ermmm cartilage 🤓 ☝️

[sullen cairn]

everything's there (on the side thats actually figured)

although i could go with that and shrink it even more

rn its been reduced to being slightly smaller than aerosteon

6.7m now lmao

man is now a couple hundred kilos smaller than aero

[stone moth]

I'm sure it was a worthy competitor to Aerosteon

[sullen cairn]

true but abelisaurids just lost the probably only second documented instance of them being larger than sympatric megaraptorans

[stiff osprey]

what is that skull you're using as a base

[woeful falcon]

I assume that's the kenyan giant

[sullen cairn]

yeah its the fossilcrates titanovenator

[stiff osprey]

ah

then it is too short

i kept the same snout angle as yours, but the preserved abelisaurus nasal doesn't allow for shortening the snout more than this

[sullen cairn]

eh this is even shorter then the first image and the nasal only seems marginally too long (it ends about halfway through the lacrimal in dorsal

[stiff osprey]

there's no gap to get rid of, though

the nasal can't move backwards any amount
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/before-man/images/f/fe/Abelisaurus_-_2(Skull).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140204015209

[sullen cairn]

the shortening happens because the rostrum stoops upwards more

the only part maybe getting smushed is that portion in between the lacrimals

[stiff osprey]

as sloped as I can make it without giving abeli a spinosaur head crest

[stiff osprey]

my bad, i can make it a little shorter

[stiff osprey]

about 5cm of nasal has been erased in this one

[sullen cairn]

yeah looking at it the parts behind the lacrimal are a tad smushed but this is version was even shorter than the first image

and even accounting for the nasals most of the lost skull length comes from the squamosal being shoved forward

[stiff osprey]

if we don't break the nasal then that reduces skull length to about 76 cm (assuming the 85 cm was premax-quadrate, i think it was)

[sullen cairn]

yep

which would be about 7m on the dot

[light osprey]

this is Abelisaurus right

[sullen cairn]

ye

which is 1300kg using the old caro gdi

and nearly 200kg smaller than aerosteon
mission accomplished 😎

[stiff osprey]

table made a chart of all maastrichtian abelisaurs to trick us into thinking he's an abelisaur fan

then proceeds to downsize them all

[sullen cairn]

i feel guilty over the carno sized colombian tooth
i'm making amends
and i'm mildly annoyed by the complete ambiguity of abelisaurus size and if that means gutting it then so be it

[steady rock]

WHATS THIS ELEPHANT CALLED?

table tell me or im flipping u

[sullen cairn]

prolly anancus

as it says in the image

[steady rock]

you were right!

[steady rock]

get flipped table

[sullen cairn]

: (

73cm?
i don't think there's any smushing going on here

might be a little exaggerated of a slope but it allows the lacrimal/distal nasal to move forward a bit

[stiff osprey]

not on PC but i think that works

[sullen cairn]

adjusted the lacrimal to fit a bit better

main difference is this is allowing for three "breaks" for the nasal to slope higher

the distal end pretty clearly seems to have been broken off and the middle portion is missing the entire left side so I don't think its too unreasonable

but if there's only two breaks then i can't get it below 76cm either

[sullen cairn]

i am evil downsizer

6.76-7.04m and 1150-1300kg scaling with old carno gdi

previously 7.36m and 1490kg

[storm heron]

Doesn’t seem like a big downsize, still huge

[sullen cairn]

Big thing is it’s gone from being inconsequently larger than aerosteon to appreciably smaller

And I just like having an actually abelisaurid-akin skull for it

[storm heron]

Agreed, i got tired of Carcharadontosaurid Abelisaurus.

[sullen cairn]

the two are still close enough in size that either wouldn't be too dominant over the other but it's probably at least somewhat important that the size difference was effectively been reversed

and better skull pictures (middle 76cm, bottom 73cm)

[pearl briar]

who is this abelisaur?

[storm heron]

It would be funny if Aerosteon gets downsized

[sullen cairn]

its a megaraptoran being scaled so anything could happen

[sullen cairn]

abelisaurus

[pearl briar]

that's it?
that's the name?
that's just same but added with -us

[sullen cairn]

yup
abelisaurus comahuensis

[pearl briar]

so...
the first abelisaur (to ever founded and described)?

[sullen cairn]

technically majungasaurus is older (though wasn't recognized as an abelisaur) but abelisaurus is the foundational species of abelisauridae
which is also why the skull recon was so bad

most of the indian abelisaurus were also described before but weren't recognized as abelisaurs until abelisaurus was described (which is when abelisauridae was created)

as lizard said the skull was initially reconstructed after carchs

[lapis lintel]

isn't amargas nostils in the wrong place on the PoT model? correct me if i'm wrong

[alpine grotto]

how big is dimetrodon realistically??

[pearl briar]

not too big not too small

[alpine grotto]

so like mega?

[pearl briar]

what mega?
megalania?

[alpine grotto]

yes

[pearl briar]

ehh... maybe
idk
but yeah

[alpine grotto]

alr ty

[bright veldt]

Like 3.5 meters and 350 kg. Megalania was the larger animal but it still wouldn’t appear to be small.

[polar root]

The larger lizard

[white matrix]

Not a lizard (For Dimetrodon)

[novel atlas]

Didn't Dimetrodon possibly have fur?

[polar root]

Yea but for megalanian yes

[white matrix]

Did you mean the largest then ?

[bright veldt]

Probably not. We have integument remains from other more advanced synapsids and they didn’t have fur either. It probably start somewhere with gorgonopsids, therocephalians, and certainly cynodonts

[sullen cairn]

abelisaurus continuing the abelisaurid tradition 😊

[copper flame]

what about it

[sullen cairn]

being smaller than local megaraptorans

[broken inlet]

It’s coz they respect the raptors and the hardships of their cousins being small

[light osprey]

Cousins is certainly a way to describe the relationship between Megaraptorans and Paraves

[compact leaf]

is there a megaraptoran associated with titanovenator? there’s a size chart with all the stuff in its formation but I don’t have it on hand

[light osprey]

Maybe some indet. Theropoda material but nothing reported as Megaraptorid

[sudden wind]

I don't think we have evidences so far of Megaraptorans reaching Africa.

[bright veldt]

Isn’t there something from North Africa that might be a megaraptoran. The one that sounds like a disease?

[light osprey]

Rhabdodontids seem to be the only cool thing here. And maybe whatever that other Ornithopod is

[compact leaf]

titanosauriformes indet could turn out interesting, depending on what the remains actually are (sauropod try not to be an isolated vert challenge)

[light osprey]

(They will forever remain undiagnostic)

[sullen cairn]

osteoporosia's a carch, but there is a potential megaraptoran centrum in albian(?) tanzania

and some people like to think parts of bahariasaurus belong to a megaraptoran
I don't touch the thing so I can't comment on it

also of note is that osteoporosia was initially estimated at 15m

and of course pakistan's beloved megaraptoran, vitakridrinda is worth a mention

[novel atlas]

https://twitter.com/SerpenIllus/status/1708860107990167645?t=fnmJqdF6fqItLI19Whiahw&s=19

Gabriel N. U. (@SerpenIllus)

A pair of beautiful “Syntarsus” kayentakatae for day 2 of my ink-marker October sketches

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 3:02 PM

[lavish frigate]

Ist syntarsus invalid?

[light osprey]

I think so

[tranquil quartz]

I thought it was renamed Megapnosaurus or something

[stray wren]

hence the quotations around Syntarsus

[fallow citrus]

does anyone have an image of this art but higher quality?

[bright veldt]

There’s coelophysis, megapnosaurus, and “Syntarsus” katentakatae

That last one needs a new genus name but hasn’t gotten one yet.

[sullen cairn]

And mexicanum which barely exists in any capacity whatsoever

[west coral]

Woohoo new brick skeletal

[viscid surge]

are you fr that the diplo I grew up with is fake?

[clever sable]

Yes

[compact leaf]

there has been a shift towards a more vertical resting posture in the last few years, something less extreme than that is still in the realm of possibility just not the classic horizontal

[clever sable]

Is this neck position still plausible as a neutral position?

[bright veldt]

AFAIK rebbachisaurs and dicraeosaurs are the only remaining horizontal sauropods

[compact leaf]

that's still reasonable yes

[clever sable]

Maraapunisaurus remains vertical (maraapunisaurus probably doesn't exist tbh)

[bright veldt]

This is valid. We don’t mean totally upright. Most sauropods were probably somewhere in the middle like this.

[clever sable]

Yeah thought so, I already knew about horizontal necks being outdated I just didn't know what was still considered plausible

[bright veldt]

Mfw there’s no neck or front torso vertebrae to confirm this

[compact leaf]

yeah rebbachisaurids and dicraeosaurids are the ones closest to horizontal

[viscid surge]

I don’t care these reconstructions are fake WWD on top

[compact leaf]

diplodocids are more vertical than them, titanosaurs more vertical still, and then brachiosaurids take it to the extreme

[clever sable]

That's why I put in the "it probably doesn't exist" I'm an adamant believer in maraapunisaurus being completely fake, and if not completely fake highly exaggerated

There is a chance it exists but it probably doesn't imo

[bright veldt]

I’m a believer of maraapuni cause of how diagnostic sauropod vertebrae are….but that’s it. There’s no way to properly reconstruct the animal given how bizarre it’s context is.

We don’t really have a clue what it’d look like

[compact leaf]

I don't think it's a new colossal sauropod but if it did exist it looks like a rebbachisaurid

[bright veldt]

I mean that’s the thing. What does that mean? Would it look like a proper rebbachiosaur? Or maybe not because it’s an early member and thus would look more basal, having more general diplodocioid features? Nothing to really say.

[clever sable]

I don't believe it because it's been lost for over 100 years and the description has some errors (like abbreviating millimeters with m instead of mm) i'm not opposed to it existing but it's sus to say at the very least

I am a very big fan of it though, it's probably my favorite sauropod despite it being kinda sus

[compact leaf]

it looks like a more advanced rebbachisaurid for one thing but their sort of body plan is more basal to diplodocoids as a whole

either way the specimen being mysteriously lost and found during the bone wars isn't great for it's validity in addition to the potential typographic errors

[clever sable]

If the material did exist in the first place it probably crumbled apart as opposed to just being left in a museum basement for over 100 years but you never know

It would be cool if we found more of it but that seems extremely unlikely given it's size

[compact leaf]

if it even is that large

[clever sable]

Yeah

Btw, speaking of large sauropods based on fragmentary remains, did that giant Morrison sauropod vertibrae end up being supersaurus or barosaurus?

[compact leaf]

probably supersaurus but there’s been several giant morrison vertebrae lol

[bright veldt]

AFAIK both super and bar a have giant representative

[clever sable]

How large did that specimen end up being? Like a year ago I heard it was 110 tonnes but I never really trusted that, how does that look now?

[clever sable]

Wow

[bright veldt]

Both are like 40 meters and 40 tons

[clever sable]

That's kinda insane ngl.....

Like

Obviously that's not argent size, but that's still massive

[bright veldt]

The longest dinosaurs ever known

[compact leaf]

I think the comically oversized baro got shrank but super is still obscene

[novel atlas]

Atm, yes. Syntarsus (the beetle) turned out to be an already named species before then, so it goes back to the dinosaur

[lavish frigate]

Good it deserves it the name is freaking cool 🙌

[compact leaf]

the 40m baro wound up being supersaurus too so baro is sitting at 30ish meters right now

[bright veldt]

Last I checked somebody told me there was a 2nd giant baro vert

[west coral]

Bricks new diplo is longer than baro

Oddly

[compact leaf]

how long is it? I haven’t had a chance to look myself

baro is sitting at 27 meters right now with maybe a bigger specimen but it hasn’t been described yet

[bright veldt]

Maybe I’m wrong den

[stiff osprey]

There are three giant baro verts, estimated to be ~43m (the fourth, now Super, was 50m)

granted this is not accounting for possible neck allometry, and since one giant baro vert is definitely Supersaurus, there is a non zero chance those other giant ones are Super too

[compact leaf]

I think Curtice is working on those now too, he’s got a lot going on lol

I know for a fact he has some brachi stuff on the way that might give it an upsize

[clever sable]

I'm guessing that the 3 ones marked with ❌ are now super?

[stiff osprey]

the third one from the top is super, the bottom ones just... don't exist

they're fragments from an unrelated quarry that have no reason to be referred to Barosaurus

[novel atlas]

https://twitter.com/TM9380/status/1708913859547820248?t=7oIrTfXnvwwFnbUNt1eIIQ&s=19

Taylor McCoy 🦖 (@TM9380)

A curious Patagonykus watches as saurian gods thunder through the mist and fog.

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 6:36 PM

https://twitter.com/TylerGreenfieId/status/1708885884668666033?t=m7Z3_a1J3ATEl0YnqYPGvg&s=19

Tyler Greenfield (@TylerGreenfieId)

A juvenile Tyrannosaurus tooth from Yellowstone National Park was just published. It was found in 1966 but only rediscovered and reidentified recently.

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 4:45 PM

[clever sable]

So uh, how large is the super they are from? Because if the baro is 78 tonnes the super is probably a Similar size m?

[stiff osprey]

Being Super changes the position of the vertebra, thus its total size. Most recent estimate I've seen was 39m and 40-50 tonnes

[clever sable]

So still massive

[stiff osprey]

Nah, as a 51 tonne sauropod myself, I consider that pretty average

[clever sable]

Definitely totally 100% real

[light osprey]

Pretty cool, albeit a bit mundane finding tyrannosaurus teeth in that area I think

[sullen cairn]

more URC 44-R (not) being pycno food for thought: Campanian Laramidia (broadly contemporary with Pycno) had Bistahieversor, Teratophoneus, Lythronax, Dynamoterror, Gorgosaurus, Thanatotheristes, Daspletosaurus torosus, D. wilsoni, D. horneri, and Tyrannosaurus running around at varying intervals

[light osprey]

How much material do we have of Dynamoterror how would you reconstruct the fella

[sullen cairn]

the paratype

nothing spectacular but a hell of a lot better than the holotype
probably best to reconstruct it after teratophoneus and secondarliy lythronax cause it clades with terato

[viscid surge]

What is a paratype?

[sullen cairn]

material assigned to a taxon to better define its diagnostic characteristics

[light osprey]

Not too shabby, was expecting something infinitely worse. I suppose It’s pretty big as well?

[viscid surge]

So there’s holotype, paratype anything else I should know about?

[light osprey]

Neotype is the last term I think

[stiff osprey]

there are many other types but you're unlikely to come across them

[sullen cairn]

neotype is just a specimen to replace the holotype if its either a) complete crap and the iczn is feeling nice or b) has engaged in other wacky dissapearing and/or being destroyed antics

[viscid surge]

The best part about this channel is the unique terms I’ve never heard of every 30 words or so to me 👍

[viscid surge]

Who are the iczn

[sullen cairn]

international commission on zoological nomenclature

[light osprey]

Classic Paleontological scandals

[sullen cairn]

how wacky and uncharacteristic

[clever sable]

Btw, what are the most up to date barosaurus and supersaurus skeletals?

[stiff osprey]

Fadeno's or Brick's Barosaurus are equally good. There's no up to date Supersaurus

[clever sable]

RIP super 😔

[west coral]

Rip seismosaurus

[clever sable]

What exactly is outdated with the super skeletals?

[stiff osprey]

neck and tail too short

[clever sable]

Bro is getting even longer 😳

So uh, much larger is the biggest super than the one in this skeletal

As in "specimen Xis 10% larger than specimen Y"

[stiff osprey]

That is the largest one

[clever sable]

Oh really? Damn, that does not look 40-50 tonnes

[white matrix]

Wait they have a complete skeleton for the Supersaurus?

[compact leaf]

no but the skeletal is filled in based on relatives and multiple specimens

[white matrix]

Oh I was about to say

[noble ridge]

Did the pachyrhinosaurus have feathers or was it a scaley dinosaur?

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-backyardigans-uniqua-we-dont-know-exactly-we-do-not-know-exactly-we-dont-know-that-gif-21614076

[white matrix]

I dont think we even got evidence for that

[viscid surge]

Heard someone say we had skin impressions which… I kinda hope isn’t true but idk

[stray wren]

More than likely it didn't have feathers. Quills are a maybe, even then it's unlikely. We do have skin impressions from a Pachyrhinosaur that show irregular hexagonal scales

Tldr; musk-ox Pachyrhino is almost certainly not the case

[light osprey]

P. perotorum doesn’t have any preserved integument to my knowledge

[stray wren]

Given skin impressions from close relatives, feathers are still unlikely

[bright veldt]

Ceratopsids as a whole were probably scaly. There hasn’t been a sign of such a thing in the various taxa with skin impressions, including in such areas where we expect it (like taco-esc rear quills) which suggests that feathers are a more basal ceratopsian trait rather than a ceratopsian trait overall.

Fluffy pachyrhino is a thing that exists for fun. It’s not scientific in any way and I wouldn’t try to treat it as such.

[stray wren]

^

[light osprey]

There’s no reason to suggest that a quill structure is particularly unlikely based on this information, especially if said Pachyrhinosaurini scale impressions aren’t representing its dorsal plane.

[bright veldt]

I mean there is…given in the case of triceratops for example we literally have skin impressions where they’d be and there’s no sign for supporting such structures.

[light osprey]

Not every single taxa is going to have the the same dermal structures.

[bright veldt]

Ceratopsids right now aren’t feathered. If you want to speculate otherwise that’s fine. But I wouldn’t try to outright argue for it like you could with feathering on Trex.

[stray wren]

Triceratops does, however, have raised structures (likely something akin to spikes) on at least some of the scales along it's back. Which is way cooler in my opinion

[light osprey]

a quill structure and feathers aren’t the same thing, I’m not conflating those two things with each-other

[bright veldt]

Quills on dinosaurs are feathers m8, just less advanced

[stray wren]

It's also worth noting that not even all Psittacosaurus species posses quills

[light osprey]

Yes, that would be an inclination so as to not be so absolute in the condition of quills in Ceratopsidae

[bright veldt]

When quills are that rare in what we’ve found in ceratopsians then wouldn’t logic dictate that they’re an exception and not the rule?

Like cmon now

[stray wren]

Currently, at least, there's more evidence that more ceratopsians lacked quills and feather structures than didn't. Skin impressions prove as much

[bright veldt]

^ Again, if you wanna speculate otherwise then that’s fine. But it’s more accurate for them to not have them as of now.

[stray wren]

marginocephalians as a whole, I'd argue, likely lacked quills and feathers on more advanced forms

[light osprey]

Am I mistaken, do we have copious amounts of dorsal scale preservation in Ceratopsia?

[bright veldt]

M8 are we going to drop this or are you just going to argue for your confirmation bias? Nobody here is denying it as a possibility. But it’s very important to draw lines in the sand when discussing these things so people don’t try to strawman things.

[light osprey]

It’s not strawmanning, you’ve used an single specially preserved specimen as evident enough sampling to say quills are a rare structure.

[bright veldt]

?? There’s scale preservation from numerous species. The triceratops is just the best example.

[light osprey]

Species of Pssitacosaurus indicating they don’t have quills? Species of Pachyrhinosaurus that show without question their lack of presence in areas with which you’d be more inclined to reconstruct them in?

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-kaperoo-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-pachyrhinosaurus-gif-25280279

[light osprey]

Or even are these scale impressions for other genera in the same circumstantial areas of the animal where we would associate hypothetical quills with

[bright veldt]

If we have numerous taxa with scale impressions, and none of them show such evidence for such structures, especially when we have scale impressions in the exact same area as said more basal taxa, and it doesn’t show evidence for such structures, we’re going to assume the clade doesn’t have them. It’s not that crazy of an assumption.

[stray wren]

There's several good examples from various taxa showing scale impressions across the entire body. Including but not limited to, Triceratops, Centrosaurus, Chasmosaurus, and Protoceratops

[light osprey]

Those would all still be on the lateral plane based on this image

[stray wren]

The image is in lateral view, so yes, but using the power of deduction we can assume that the skin impressions on the top of the body would curve, and by association, be considered dorsal impressions.

[bright veldt]

This image also doesn’t include said dorsal impressions of triceratops.

[light osprey]

Said quill presence only pertained to the tail of psittacosaurus as well. Could in go in circles discussing how you can’t claim inaccuracy for a structure which would have such difficulty preserving, much less a lack of preservation in the specific area we can associate it. As if the condition can’t be variable, or even just still including the structure as a plausibility regardless of perceived rarity

[bright veldt]

M8 the issue is less the possibility of such a thing existing and more drawing a line in how we currently reconstruct taxa based on the given evidence. You could technically argue for feathered abelisaurids given feathers are ancestral to dinosauria, and carnotaurus is only 90% preserved with scales, so the rest of the animal and other abelisauroids could’ve been feathered right? We don’t see that.

Could some ceratopsids have quills? Sure. But rn it’s not the best way to reconstruct the animal.

[light osprey]

Are the scale impressions pertaining to areas we associate with feathers? I would assume so because they provided insight on torso feature scales. So not seeing how that’s a strong pertinence to this particular circumstance. And if you can say “sure” based on a strong correlative relation to related animals that have said structure, than I’m not seeing how scale impressions not pertaining to regions of quill inclusion are enough to substantiate saying it’s wrong of someone to include them in said ceratopsians which don’t have extensive scale preservation.

[frigid vapor]

Are there any recent papers regarding the beak structure of cynorhampus? I see it mentioned that it could be similar to open billed storks but all paleoart I see of it has a closed beak so I'm unsure if it's been "confirmed" the mineralizations on the upper jaw closed the beak completely

[rose thorn]

The mouth closed all the way thanks to funky soft tissue

[rose thorn]

Yesn’t. While I’m all for following scalation preservation though mind you that such varies even between closely related taxa, and outside of Triceratops we don’t possess huge skin blocks from other species, tiny filaments like what we see on PP’s Rex for example are a feasibility in my eyes.

Like what’s on this Kentro

[bright veldt]

Yeah that’s def possible. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of traditionally scaly dinos had something like that

[vapid vigil]

Should Purussaurus be added to the game?

[covert lintel]

you are in the wrong channel

[fallow citrus]

omg thank you so much

[copper flame]

why did protoceratops have quills, and did triceratops have them to?

[bright veldt]

There’s a whole discussion above as to why ceratopsids with quills isn’t a guarantee and is in the “probably not” category. Same goes with protoceratops, albeit it’s more likely than with proper ceratopsids. The one we do know that has them is psittacosaurus, and they were probably for display given that there’s really nothing practical about them in terms of uses they could’ve had.

[stray wren]

We don't have evidence for quills on either taxa, so at current, no. Triceratops did, however, have raised bumps irregularly on its scales (too thick to be quills but likely supported spike-like structures)

Less Psittacosaurus, more PK Styracosaurus

Which is infinitely cooler in my opinion

[copper flame]

yeah that looks dope but porcupine triceratops is a cool idea

[bright veldt]

Um. Why do I hear boss music?

[sullen cairn]

@light osprey it is with great sadness that I must inform you that you're legally unable to like prince creek now

[sullen cairn]

also relevant

[tough parcel]

Likely not

[stray wren]

LET ME HAVE THIS

[clever sable]

Wait wtf is happening? I'm slightly confused lmao, does this mean there was significant individual variation or something????

[tough parcel]

No, your fun will be ruined by science and logic

[sullen cairn]

beckys giant might be a saurolophine

i'm more excited for the looming daspletosaurus fight

[bright veldt]

Basically, one of the giant edmonto specimens, "Becky's Giant", has features that aren't normally seen in edmontosaurus. This can mean 1 of two things. One, as table pointed out, really old edmontosaurus might just have features not seen in most of the species. Or, case #2, there's been a giant hadrosaur under our noses in Hell Creek this whole time.

[clever sable]

So there could be 2 different giant hell creek hadrosaurs? (Wasn't Becky the one found in hell creek or am I thinking of something else?)

[sullen cairn]

potentially

[clever sable]

Omg I need this

[tough parcel]

I think it’d be funny if it’s just Edmonto ontogeny

Rex but hadrosaur

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus ontogeny 😎

to the surprise of absolutely nobody its one species

[tough parcel]

Truuuue

[sullen cairn]

even more shockingly bagaraatan is a probable tyrannosaurid

[clever sable]

I have made rex but hadrosaur

[copper flame]

is dakotaraptor valid?

[clever sable]

No, probably not

[copper flame]

edmontosaurus rex lol

[west coral]

So not only is there Edmontosaurus, there’s also a Saurolophin?

[tough parcel]

Horrendous

[tidal raven]

Like one of those silly hybrids from the Jurassic Park/World games

[bright veldt]

Depends on if it's distinct or not. It might be a new dinosaur, or it might just be a really old edmonto. We don't have a lot of really old edmontos so they might have features we don't see in most other edmontos.

[clever sable]

I think you mean beautiful

[copper flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-crying-gif-26249716

[tough parcel]

(We don’t have a good grasp on Edmontosaurus in general, osteology is heavily needed)

[bright veldt]

No

[sullen cairn]

dakotaraptor's adult nanotyrannus

[copper flame]

bruh

[sullen cairn]

please don't be paraxeni 2.0 please don't be paraxeni 2.0

[tough parcel]

(It will be worse)

[west coral]

Montanacheirus lives!!

[copper flame]

whos the biggest tyranosaurus specimen today?

[sullen cairn]

Me

[tough parcel]

The war against misinformation continues… (It’s me actually)

[sullen cairn]

mcraensis when it actually does something

[light oxide]

Paraxeni 2.0?

[sullen cairn]

paraxeni is a bad animal

[copper flame]

how so

[sullen cairn]

Bad material and chimeric

[light oxide]

M m m m m

Now I see what you're taking about.

[sullen cairn]

10 ton polacanthines 10 ton polacanthines
I want to believe

[copper flame]

so i asked if brevi was valid somebody said no now im wondering

what is brevipropus than? also jumpscare warning

[clever sable]

I wouldn't trust prehistoric wildlife

[compact leaf]

it's a footprint from a brachiosaurid of some kind, so there's no bones associated with it

[clever sable]

Wait....... then why does it have a name......

[tough parcel]

Several footprints have names

[copper flame]

i dont trust it either

[compact leaf]

ichnotaxa get an informal name all the time

[clever sable]

But why...............

[tough parcel]

Like, just a couple days ago, a terror bird track set was given a name lmao

[copper flame]

so this could be like the largest branchiosaurus and or branchiosaurid

[sullen cairn]

Footprint scaling is bad

[clever sable]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[copper flame]

very

[sullen cairn]

Ischotaxa get names because it’d be a pain in the ass to keep track of/organize them if they didn’t

They’re generally grouped by what they’re broadly diagnostic as

[copper flame]

I only knew of brevi because of dinosaur simulator on roblox

[light osprey]

Nonsense, what could have transpired

[sullen cairn]

It’s campanian now

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

like, how campanian tho uppermost?

[copper flame]

also back on the topic of brevi, was it found in any formation of any kind????

[tough parcel]

As an ichnogenus, the taxon is represented by (and named for) a 90-metre (295 ft) long series of fossil tracks, or ichnites, found in the spring of 1979 in the Atlas Mountains of present-day Morocco.

[sullen cairn]

Late campanian

[copper flame]

when does it date back to

[tough parcel]

They are commonly dated to the Jurassic period (approximately 160–175 million years ago), though they are more likely from the early Cretaceous, roughly 130-120 million years ago.

[chilly knot]

hold up

[light osprey]

Like the early Maastrichtian layers got redated? Cause certain sections have always pertained to the late campanian in Prince Creek they just weren’t the most fossiliferous

[chilly knot]

mcraensis????????!"091209?´´ damn finally

[sullen cairn]

clapped

[light osprey]

L

[chilly knot]

clearly based

[sullen cairn]

on la colonia ankylosaur

Second, a virtually complete postcranial skeleton of an ankylosaurid with an associated skull roof and lower jaw indicates the presence of a small bodied and slender limbed new taxon.

[light osprey]

Naming time?

how can they kill Prince Creek and simultaneously do this

[copper flame]

did brevi (or what ever it was) live with, or lived at the same time as maraapunisaurus

[sullen cairn]

Why’s everything about Utah

[tough parcel]

Late Jurassic is all you’ll get for Maraa, but idk if that’s relevant?

[light osprey]

Today is truly one of the days of all time for Paleontology

[west coral]

Apparently it’s a Diplodocoid now

[copper flame]

maraa is now the biggest diplodocoid?

[tough parcel]

Source on that?

Last I heard it was a basal rebbachisaurid

[compact leaf]

maraa is a rebbachisaurid, assuming it exists at all do not trust the huge estimates for it

[copper flame]

b-b-but it it had a huge fossil

[light osprey]

Cope and seethe

get it?

[copper flame]

bro did its fossil just get dusted or something?

[copper flame]

so its not 80 to 99 tons 😦

[compact leaf]

the fossil mysteriously vanished shortly after it was found

[copper flame]

i heard it was because of erosion right

[tough parcel]

We don’t know, but that’s a leading theory considering it happens to a ton of fossils

[copper flame]

my question is how, are'nt they stored in a warehouse or something?

[tough parcel]

Chemical reaction with open air

[copper flame]

wow

[light osprey]

Its not anything. You can try to categorise it’s phylogeny, there’s no reason to take any size estimate for it seriously though

[iron halo]

2 and a half grams

[copper flame]

do yall think all the huge sauropods just got eatin by like the whole ecosystem when they died so there where no fossils, other than trace fossils, vertbra, or fragments, of like brevi, maraa, argent, and bruhath. where probably just scratching the surface of how big sauropods

[fallow citrus]

similar to a whale fall

[dim pasture]

Most likely, rotting carcasses of say an argentinosaurus size would attract every predator within atleast a few hundred miles. That much meat you dont need to work for? You’re gonna flock to it

[copper flame]

yeah

[eternal condor]

hello sorry if this is wrong channel, I don't know where else to ask where I can attach pictures, but can someone please tell me which dinosaur this is? thank you 🙂

[tough parcel]

It’s Pachycephalosaurus

[eternal condor]

thank you!

[chilly knot]

Dracorex

[stray wren]

Pachycephalosaurus spinifer

[pearl briar]

how chimeric is archaeoraptor?

[copper flame]

are we sure spinosaurus can even walk anymore it has tooth pick legs for a 7 ton predator
what if it pulled a tripod stance with its tail

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-tony-stark-probably-not-gif-24786485

you see...
idk
i'm just gonna wait the professional to answer ur question

[copper flame]

based

[nocturne gazelle]

Waiting for the arm description to come out and reveal quad spino was real all along

[copper flame]

quad spino is so cool

[pearl briar]

but weird imo

[nocturne gazelle]

Either way it isn't walking well

[copper flame]

more and more everday spinofaarus is getting more real

[nocturne gazelle]

Forget Crabs, Seal is the final form of evolution.

[light oxide]

And rabbits, strangely enough.

[nocturne gazelle]

Seals fr get the best of both worlds though. Chilling on a beach, basking in the sun. Go for a swim. They just have beach parties every day.

[copper flame]

than getting killed by an orca on land

[pearl briar]

i had enough with those seal spino 🪦

[copper flame]

no you have not

[copper flame]

wrong chat blud💀

[light osprey]

Definitely the scene of all time. Loved it when the Pachycephalosaurus pachycephalosaurd all over the place. Truly a film in history

[copper flame]

back on the topic of brevi what brachiosaurid is it?
i wanna do some art of it
yes IK the image is bad

like what could it be specifically

[bright veldt]

Ah yes. The footprint. Aka who cares.

[iron laurel]

WAIT

HOL UP

Iws dat Swcandova the Cwarnotwaurus? 👉👈

I think I just gave my autocorrect a heart attack with that sentence lol 💀

[copper flame]

i wonder if a sauropod ever died to a heart attack

[iron laurel]

Probably

[light oxide]

Oh, most definitely.

[woeful hamlet]

Anyone have an up to date and accurate skeletal of Baryonyx?

[woeful hamlet]

Thanks man

[copper flame]

did sauropods shape there enviorment like elephants

[white matrix]

Faarus's hips make no sense to me

[white matrix]

At the size many sauropods were, it very much would be the case they would have major impacts on their surroundings. Prehistoric Planet gave a small taste of this with the Beelzebufo segment in season 2

[viscid surge]

A lot more than elephants

[woeful tide]

now you see why would spinosaur look like a parapalegic short legged fatass if its cousins in the same genus stood on 2 legs and looked the same without the sail

look at wolves or k9s not much changes and if it does its never that significant

[woeful tide]

this isnt correct and not what i think but its a hot take

[viscid surge]

I should put sails on all the spinosaurs that don’t have sails

[woeful tide]

please

[rich niche]

like turning forests into plains boims

[light osprey]

What a few million years will do to you

[west coral]

Sorry, should have been more specific. Brevi is now a Rebbachisaurid according to Larramendi

[compact leaf]

brevi is still regarded as a brachiosaurid as far as I know, the narrow nature of the tracks and thumb claw being in contact with the ground both line up with that

[rose gate]

It's incredible how Brachiosaurids have spread themselves/distribution all over the world and evolved along the way

[tiny holly]

Surprised no one has posted about this yet

diplodocus was (maybe) a ginger

[tulip dove]

Let's goo

[tiny holly]

I'm just glad we have more evidence to kick the old "large dinosaurs were probably grey" idea, I hate how based on mammals that is. Non-grey sauropods waters my crops and clears my skin

[tulip dove]

More happy about the fact that sauropods might have been pretty colorful

[tough parcel]

Not really, the colors proposed can still be dull/watered down. Not gray sure, but not billboards of color

[tulip dove]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[tiny holly]

I do doubt they were super contrasted/patterned/etc, while you can see that in the largest reptiles today it's more of an exception, but it is nice to see they still had Something going on

It is interesting to think about what individual variation might have done in large dinosaurs though. When you look at large crocodiles they're usually all fairly uniform in colour with pretty minor variation, and are only more contrasted while younger and smaller. But you get the occasional large adult who is weirdly vibrant lookin

Pigment doesn't come free, so it implies a pretty healthy life for that individual to have maintained that colouration. So i wonder if the occasional Peak Performance large dinosaur may have looked quite striking compared to their peers

[light osprey]

The healthiest Diplodocus would be a really punchy ginger colour 😎

[covert lintel]

called it
(got a diplodocus model from almost exactly 2 years ago that's primarily a pale orange colour)

[stiff osprey]

my eofauna Diplodocus is mostly yellow on the upper half, so W for me too

[covert lintel]

i think fred wierum also gets a W here (picture related)

[tiny holly]

brown fans stay winning

[copper flame]

is the e.d. cope trex specimen bigger than scottys??

[chilly knot]

[next moss]

😭

[covert lintel]

from what i can gather, Probably Not, and if it is it's not by a whole lot

[white matrix]

Its uh... dubious... so I guess.. cope?

[fallow citrus]

sees

[white matrix]

That rex looks like it seethes 😂💀

[copper flame]

it cant change its eyebrows so it always looks angry

[white matrix]

Its angy cause its got no lips, and isnt accurate in general

[copper flame]

true

wonder if there gums covered there teeth like a komodo dragon's or partialy covered them like other lizards

[slow sierra]

"hey, it's me, pls open the door I'm freezing here"

[white matrix]

Open na noor

[copper flame]

boom

[white matrix]

Thought that was a rat for a split second

[tranquil quartz]

Ew feathery rex

[ancient crystal]

Ew saurian rex

[hybrid spindle]

Who has a actuate picture of how big eo was

[ancient crystal]

I took this from a paleo chat somewhere. It shows irl eo, bars, rex, and amarga next to each other

[compact leaf]

I think that’s scotty too so not an average rex

[ancient crystal]

True, I like it though because it emphasizes eo isn't a behemoth like in game

[hybrid spindle]

Fr they need to change that

[ocean drum]

I was just gonna but saw you did first

[clever sable]

I mean, maybe, and if he is it's not by much

The best method for estimating copes size would be figuring out what relatively complete rex specimen has the most similar femur proportions to his and just scale that rex up

[tranquil quartz]

They wont, they can either change it to Triceratops but changing its size to Eo irl size would probably diminish its status ingame as apex

[light osprey]

They aren’t gonna do any of that

[heady thunder]

If they made it smaller and not change any of its stats itd be so broken.

But they wont, cos the perkowner wanted huge eo.

[snow python]

How big's the largest eotrike specimen?

[light osprey]

The one above

[heady thunder]

Theres only one specimen, so the competition isnt there lel

[undone parcel]

has anyone talked about how thw SVP thing mentions a possible Hell Creek Unelagine

[covert lintel]

i don't know if anyone in here has talked about it yet, but i swear i've heard someone suggest that before...

[undone parcel]

all i know is Dakota is being suggested a possible Unenlagine

[wispy summit]

Size difference between eo and rex is not as bad when you don't use a giant rex

[light osprey]

Which part of it

[undone parcel]

the part that actually is raptor

[clever sable]

I mean, it's still a very significant size difference

[wispy summit]

Yeah but it's not as big of a difference

[covert lintel]

and uh... which part is that?
(read: from what i've heard, pretty much any part could plausibly not be a raptor)

[undone parcel]

as far as i know something in there is a raptor just no clue

[heady thunder]

Eo compared to more average trikes.

[undone parcel]

i think Eo suffers from "Bobblehead syndrome" cause it probably has a abnormally large head..head just looks unproportianally large to me

[light osprey]

I mean…. Yah?

You can see it’s head in proportion to its post crania right there

[covert lintel]

unrelated to eo, but all those differences between the trikes...
individual variation in ceratopsians my beloved

[undone parcel]

wait till you see Styracosaurus

[covert lintel]

i am so aware of the Styracosaurus Splitting Debacle and i am living for it. so much natural variation in frills and horns that it was mistaken for multiple different genera

[light osprey]

Rubeosaurus lives in our hearts

[undone parcel]

isnt Stellasaurus the only surviving one?

cause i know at this point Rubeos validity is near nonexistant

[stray wren]

Stellasaurus still exists for the time being

[covert lintel]

while checking if that was true, i noticed that i... May have misremembered styracosaurus having remains previously assigned to Multiple genera (aside from itself). seems like it might've been just rubeosaurus (unless stellasaurus is lumped back into sty someday? or already has been?)
idk all i've got is that stellasaurus was described as its own genus back in 2020

[compact leaf]

rubeosaurus got sank back in and stellasaurus got pulled out

[stray wren]

Stellasaurus was originally a specimen of Rubeosaurus, upon its lumping into Styracosaurus, those remains were re-evaluated and placed into their own species

[covert lintel]

very cool!

[cloud bane]

every time I'm reminded about the Ceratopsian species rabbit hole I have to stop myself from getting lost in it

[copper flame]

chat its this guy real
also whats the second ( or first ) largest rebbachisaur

[west coral]

Maraapunisaurus

[copper flame]

yeah

[wary panther]

You all thought you could ban me? Nah, let the rex glazing continue.

[copper flame]

what do you mean

[wary panther]

I got banned for rex glazing 😦

[clever sable]

Uhhhh maybe but the measurements of the material may have been exaggerated and we lost the material so it's dubious for now and probably will remain dubious unless we find more material (assuming it even exists)

[copper flame]

glazing?

[wary panther]

I was hyping rex up a lil to much 😦

[copper flame]

aw 😦

[wary panther]

anways, Im not hear to bable about rex

[copper flame]

if its somewhat dubiou for now what the biggest rebbachisaur now than

[wary panther]

But before I stop glazing rex, why in god's name is carchardontosaurus so big in pot?

I swear its actually massive, when its actually a 7 ton pred lol

[copper flame]

its not too big

[bright veldt]

Maraapuni is unquestionably the largest rebbachisaur . Just….don’t ask how big it is. A number’s practically impossible.

[clever sable]

Yeah, it's like trying to estimate the size of hector's icthyosaur

[wary panther]

Yawn, I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to assume its a sauropod

[bright veldt]

Yes

[wary panther]

Actually? Guess I'm the guy >:)

[copper flame]

whats the second largest than?

[bright veldt]

What you on about btw? There’s no carchar in pot rn, modding included.

[dusky stratus]

"its actually only 7 tons"

[clever sable]

DB carch:

[compact leaf]

the next largest (and what I consider largest because maraa has issues) is rebbachisaurus itself

[wary panther]

Ngl you should all watch plotuke, he is such an accurate paleo yt (I'm sorry what happens to yall next)

[bright veldt]

Oh, ngl I forget it exists because it barely looks like an actual carchar. I think acro before carchar looking at it.

[copper flame]

carchar looks shrink wrapped

[wary panther]

In pot? nah its way to bulky fr

[bright veldt]

It’s a gremlin creature the size of a bus that boy ain’t right

[copper flame]

its face looks shrink wrapped

[wary panther]

Im going to screen shot an image of carchardonotosaurus in pot, mf massive as hell

[copper flame]

second largest rebbachisaur?

[bright veldt]

If you see how carchar is actually shaped it’s really not the same

[compact leaf]

rebbachisaurus

[bright veldt]

I think Rebbachisaurus itself? I think it’s similar in scale to things like apatosaurus

[copper flame]

womp

[compact leaf]

I consider it largest anyway because maraa has issues, we know it’s large but there’s a few estimates (the latest from larramendi has methods that make me want to cry)

[wary panther]

found it

mf built bigger than a rex 💀

[bright veldt]

I mean that best it looks it. In game it’s built like glass for its size.

[wary panther]

Another from a streamer named sucho king

[bright veldt]

As a mammoth I quiver in my boots if I see a rex but can repel 2-3 carchars comfortably.

[heady thunder]

BB is underestimated, plus it depends if the server touched the stats or not.

[wary panther]

Large theropods > your favorite mammal fr

[bright veldt]

Fair, but let’s not talk about gameplay specifically anymore

[wary panther]

I saw someone try and argue elephants beat mega theropods because they have "hollow bones"

[bright veldt]

Eh it depends on what you’re talking about, albeit not for that reason lol

Aside from paraceratherium, all the largest land mammals are elephants

[wary panther]

Not wanting to get in the 1v1s cause that's not paleo related, but people think a large mammal, such as an elephant, could manhandle a creature larger than itself

Seeing as elephants are paleo related though, largest only got 11-12 tons max, and thats an african elephant 💀

[bright veldt]

They ain’t really built for that. Elephants largely rely on their sociality to protect themselves if sheer size won’t work.

[heady thunder]

Tbh, they do fight amongst each other, so that has to count, but I dont think theyre used to dealing with carnivores their size.

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind I said elephants as in the clade. Zyglolophodon is a mastodon that’s nearly the size of a paracer. The elephant palaeoloxodon is in the ballpark too. Then you got the 14 ton steppe mammoth.

[wary panther]

Also, hot take, Modern day birds of prey would neg any small dromeosaur

[heady thunder]

Define small dromeosaur, cos if youre talking like, a velo vs a hawk, youre trippin

[wary panther]

hawk negs velo, Im being serious fr

[dusky stratus]

is this not just bird vs bird essentially, size would be the determining factor wouldnt it

[wary panther]

I had an experience this one time I should tell you all with a hawk..... it was not pretty.

[bright veldt]

It really depends. The strength in the legs in feet is something they both have. It’s more so the air advantage if anything.

I will say that there are records of golden eagles taking coyotes and wolves, but it’s not common for a reason.

[heady thunder]

The air advantage is also a disadvantage, theyre lighter, frailer, not to mention their beaks dont compare to actual dino jaws

[wary panther]

So I had this, 35 pound turkey right, and Im just minding my business and stuff and then I see this dark thing come out of the sky, and grab the turkey by the head, smaking it against the ground and giving it a purple eye

[bright veldt]

No turkey is 35 lbs but that’s me being a nerd

[wary panther]

Boiler turkeys reach that weight, yes

[bright veldt]

That a domestic breed?

Ok that explains it then. My bad.

[heady thunder]

Fat turkey created just for meat, checks out

[wary panther]

Nah its good, but all I can say is I would be less afraid of a velo than a hawk

[heady thunder]

You can punch both of them to death

[wary panther]

Now if we are talking about dromeosaurus as a whole, then daktoraptor takes the cake

[bright veldt]

But yeah, golden eagles have been known to take some absurd things. It’s just, again, not common for a reason.

[wary panther]

I didn't say utahraptor cause yk, it might not be real ☠️< MB

[bright veldt]

Also, Dakotaraptor isn’t real. It’s a long story. You mixed the 2 up.

[little mauve]

Velociraptor was hunting hundred pound protoceratops

[wary panther]

AHH SHOOT, I CONFUSED MY RAPTORS

[bright veldt]

If it was hunting it. I’m not entirely sure given velociraptor is like 30 lbs but some protoceratops are 10x that weight.

[heady thunder]

You see, that dont count, cos, I wasnt there to film it, we gotta run it back

[wary panther]

There was a dromaeosaur in the hell creek though, sadly Dokota raptor aint it

[bright veldt]

Three actually. Only one is named though.

[wary panther]

Nice, finally some real evidence besides turtle shells and rex fragments 🙂

[stiff osprey]

It was definitely hunting it. The thing is that specific proto was a juvenile

Shouldn't be used as evidence that Velo hunted adult Protoceratops, which as you said get to 10x its size. But it was hunting juveniles around 3x its size

[wary panther]

hunting is hunting

[bright veldt]

Fair I suppose. Also shouldn’t be doubting such things when you got that mammal bugger tackling a taco several times it’s size.

[little mauve]

Fair enough, that's bigger tougher prey than a turkey at any rate

[wary panther]

Eagle negs with ariel boost 🙂

[bright veldt]

Acheroraptor, and fragmentary remains of a microraptorine and unenlagine

[wary panther]

Sad Fact, There are some people that believe megatheropods are too slow to survive today

[bright veldt]

Megatheropod is such a weird term

[wary panther]

Put an allosaur, a Torvosaurus, in any modern day evironment and we have problems

[stiff osprey]

Velo vs like a big eagle like a golden or australian eagle would be a fair fight, I think. They hunt prey of about the same size

[heady thunder]

I dont think anyone thinks that.

Release that thing in the elephant sanctuary and report me about their number after 2 months

[wary panther]

Problem is terrain, If the eagle catches the raptor in the sky then its over, on land velo negs

[little mauve]

If the velos in the sky its got bigger problems

[wary panther]

Sir we have dead elephants and a fed theropod, we need more MEAT,

[stiff osprey]

yeah if the eagle yeets it off a cliff or something then L

[bright veldt]

Eh it’s not that simple. If attacking such large prey didn’t come with tremendous risks then we’d see them getting deer and canids more often.

[wary panther]

Rip raptor, thought it was "badder" then its relative since its a famous pop culture dino, sadly eagles neg with speed bost

[heady thunder]

Its evolving flight, let it cook

[undone parcel]

utahraptor is bigger so..

[wary panther]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[copper flame]

smilodon vs utahraptor who wins

[bright veldt]

Utahraptor is real 💀

[wary panther]

utah, mid diff

No fanboyism, utah is actually a massive animal

[bright veldt]

I’m betting on the Utah. It’s larger and has overall more formidable jaws and claws.

The head alone is the size of a man’s torso.

[undone parcel]

smilodon if it manages to wrestle it from a surpise attack and pin it safely but more then likley Utah due to size, if it was a pack hunter, and bigger claws

[wary panther]

Im betting smilidon leaves before it gets these dino hands, mammals never were better than the dinos (HUMANS DONT COUNT)

[heady thunder]

Its like, 350, 450 kg, smilo is like, 300-400 depending on the species or smth

[stiff osprey]

Utah's overall larger, the largest Utahraptor is 500 kg and we have wayyy fewer specimens of it than Smilodon. If they were the same size Smilo would win

[bright veldt]

Populator can get to like 450 kg so it’s actually pretty close size wise. Utah’s still bigger tho.

[wary panther]

Mammals had to evolve intelligence to stand a chance, Match basing skill issue fr 🥱

[stiff osprey]

Nah mammals are based. At the same size cats and bears trounce any theropod

And I'm a theropod fan

[wary panther]

A 8 ton tiger isn't going to happen, ever

[copper flame]

yeah im betting utah if in an open feild
but smilo could get an ambush win

[bright veldt]

It doesn’t help smilodon is a brickhouse that is kind of used to wrestling larger prey regularly

[wary panther]

For some god for saken reason, the Mammals antaomy for preds doesn't allow anything larger then 5 tons on land, wonder why

[stiff osprey]

Of course lmao. But a 300kg tiger can take much bigger prey than a 300kg theropod

[undone parcel]

homotherium still the better saber cat..

[wary panther]

300kg tiger vs a metri, tell me who wins >:)

[heady thunder]

Both hunted big game, its close

[light osprey]

I think animals are suited to their environments and such. I think Paravian animals are especially beautiful though.

[bright veldt]

Cave Hyenas casually being THE dominant predator of classic ice age Eurasia but nobody cares about them for some reason

[copper flame]

could a utah see a smilo ambush comeing?

[undone parcel]

because their hyenas and Disney ruined normal peoples view of them and lions

[heady thunder]

That has been ruined way before that, I dont think hyenas ever were or are respected.

Plus, big cats are just cooler

[copper flame]

based

[undone parcel]

nah hyenas..espechy Pachy and Dinocrocuta

[light osprey]

The Jaguar is definitely one of the most visually stunning extant predators

[bright veldt]

Also are kind of out of time in a sense

[light osprey]

I’m not informed enough to comment on these Viverroids though

[copper flame]

what theropod has the best chance of beating a rex?

[undone parcel]

anything in the size range depening on circumstance

[heady thunder]

Big cats are awesome, especially lions and tigers, waaaay bigger in person then you think.

[bright veldt]

Literally any other large theropod. When both are several ton predators with multi ton bite forces it’s going to be close regardless of the slightly higher statistic.

[undone parcel]

i saw a abstract actually that literally said Rex is overrepresented in media

[heady thunder]

Its the Goat, duh

[bright veldt]

Of course it is. (It’s also the most studied extinct species in science so it’s kind of over represented in that regard too)

[copper flame]

rex slams ever other therapod doe

[undone parcel]

The Bisti Beast and Gore King want to challenge that notion

[heady thunder]

The fact that I cant recognize those nicknames means that they have a long way to go before that.

[undone parcel]

Bistibeast is Bistiahaversor and Gore King is Lythronax,

[heady thunder]

Pft, yeah, maybe if those 2 come back to life.

[undone parcel]

lythronax literally means gore king

[heady thunder]

I dont think that will make it as popular in the general publics eye

[undone parcel]

because the general public is ignorant outside JW

[bright veldt]

Prehistoric Planet casually being the biggest name in dinosaurs aside from JW

[heady thunder]

And whats their mascot, still Rex.

[bright veldt]

Like if anybody is doubting it’s impact just give it a few years to sink in

[undone parcel]

the rex is technically AMNH 5027

[heady thunder]

Numbers numbers numbers

[undone parcel]

no thats the specimen designation

[heady thunder]

If it doesnt have a normal name I dont care about it

[undone parcel]

yes cause dinosaur names are "normal"

[clever sable]

What's more dubious, maraapunisaurus or bruhathkayosaurus?

[clever sable]

WWD tho......

[wary panther]

also, MASSIVE HOT TAKE, I believe tyrannosaurids would have killed there prey similar to modern day dogs

[heady thunder]

Way easier to call a specimen Mark or smth then a bar code in normal conversation.

[undone parcel]

...uh well the Bruhathkay pictures were recently rediscovered so its valid in name, meanwhile Maarapunisaurus only has a sketch or something

[bright veldt]

Bout the same tbh. If I had to pick probably Bruh cause one of the two bones that existed was probably a theropod and not a sauropod

[heady thunder]

WWD the goat, they should remaster it bar for bar and that would be the best dino doc ever.

[undone parcel]

i mean we found the pilot episode

[clever sable]

Wait, are you the guy who thinks that we can't prove that palaeoloxodon may not have been an elephant or was that Another guy with a slayer PfP?

[undone parcel]

paleoloxodon is a elephant end of story

we have plenty of material and species to say so

[bright veldt]

The whole thing with paleoloxodon is it’s relationship to the African forest elephant, which is very confusing

[undone parcel]

i thought it was closer to Asian elephants

[bright veldt]

Nah, Asian elephants are close to mammoths

[undone parcel]

oh i thought it was both

[clever sable]

Yeah, wasn't there a lot of interbreeding to the point that the African Forest elephant is actually more closely related to palaeoloxodon than African bush elephants?

[undone parcel]

isnt the columbian mammoth hypothesized as a hybrid

[bright veldt]

TLDR, the african forest elephant is closer related to paleoloxodon than it is to african bush elephants: Loxodonta africana. So the african forest elephant either is a palaeoloxodon species or needs a new genus name.

[undone parcel]

cross fingers for Paleoloxodon

[light osprey]

scientists have named a new genus of animal

[bright veldt]

Columbian mammoths originated from interbreeding of steppe and woolly mammoths and became their own distinct population

[undone parcel]

isnt the Steppe like in between Woolies and columbians in hairiness

[bright veldt]

Idk

I’ve always thought they were similar to columbian mammoths

[copper flame]

is agustinia valid?
also did sauropods have tail spikes on the top and bottom of it?

[undone parcel]

Agustinia is valid but the spikes were just ribs

[bright veldt]

^

[copper flame]

all of them?

[undone parcel]

as far as we know no spikes

[copper flame]

so whats the most armored sauropod, other than probably saltasaurus

[undone parcel]

the closest to sauropod spikes was Titanosaur Osteoderms and whatever Ampelosaurus had going on..as well as obviously Dicreasaurs like Bajada and Amargas sails

[bright veldt]

We know ampelo had osteoderms but we don’t have a grasp on what the animal exactly looks like.

Some giant titanosaurs like alamosaurus have also been found with osteoderms, but they were limited to a few on the lower back, probably for mineral storage rather than anything physically practical.

[undone parcel]

if anything decent hip protection depending how large they got since id assume the hip area was a prime target

[copper flame]

also did saltasaurus actually have armor

[undone parcel]

yes

[wary panther]

another guy

[bright veldt]

Saltasaurus was the first sauropod discovered with osteoderms.

[warped spindle]

The human urge to pet everything is strong rn for me

[wary panther]

Feels very salty for the non osteoderm sauropods believers

[light osprey]

More little osteoderms

[undone parcel]

and despite being called "saltasaurs" in Alphas Egg they arent Saltasaurus

[light osprey]

Saltasaurus actually hails from a pretty neat formation

[copper flame]

also how many osteoderms did that have?
also what would of hunted them for this amount of protection

[wary panther]

it didn't need more protect, its already unhuntable LOL

[light osprey]

I think that might be an exaggeration. Don’t know for sure

[undone parcel]

i mean Saltasaurus by sauropod standards was not big

[bright veldt]

Saltasaurus isn’t a particularly large titanosaur, and abelisaurs and megaraptorans were pretty omnipresent across South America

[wary panther]

A Sauropod is a Sauropod, and sauropod equates massive beasts

[undone parcel]

magyarasaurus and Paludatitan Nand Europasaurus disprove this

[wary panther]

😦

[light osprey]

Probably the best Saltasaurus depiction around

[wary panther]

Thats too shrink wrapped, im going to need bigger

[bright veldt]

That’s John Conway’s opithshocoelcaudia (totally spelled that wrong)

[light osprey]

Shrink wrapping. We can never escape it

[undone parcel]

welcome to trying to spell its name

[wary panther]

But seriously, why is it shrink wrapped?

[undone parcel]

its..not thats probably a tad much honestly

[compact leaf]

best depiction a_round_

[wary panther]

BIGGER

[undone parcel]

my knowledge on Saltasaurs is limited to the ones in Alphas egg being Nequeanosaurus since Aucasaurus and Aereosteon being the predominant theropods

[bright veldt]

Trex and Megalodon being the popular big bads of the prehistoric world that scientists keep making bigger and more OP with every discovery for some reason

[tidal raven]

belly is literally dragging on the ground

TOO SHRINKWRAPPED

[vocal breach]

Because funny

[light osprey]

I finally found a good Saltasaurus, no osteoderms though.

[wary panther]

BIGGER

[bright veldt]

If you told me 5 years ago we’d be back to megalodon rivaling blue whales in size I would’ve called you a lier

[undone parcel]

im just waiting for Megaraptorans to get their spotlight in media

[wary panther]

Stop the shrink wrapping, not accurate fr 😠

[wary panther]

Only if they get mentioned to t.rex, they ain't coming back

[light osprey]

Here. Finally something pleasant to look at

[sullen cairn]

You will have the amazing dinoworld maip and be happy with it

[light osprey]

Prehistoric Planet will deliver trust 💯

[wary panther]

That thing is not accurate at ALL, beat a sauropod

[light osprey]

Before I see another Megaraptoran I’d like some proper Enantiornithean representation first. Or Ornithuran. Something Mesozoic that flies

[sullen cairn]

The polar allosaur in wwd is technically a megaraptoran too

[wary panther]

Maip somehow beat a sauropod, beyound unrealstic

[undone parcel]

its not accurate cause its painfully obvious they just had Orkoraptor and just upscaled it

[light osprey]

That isn’t an Azdarchid important distinction

[wary panther]

at least they got the claws... right?

[undone parcel]

you cant just upscale a animal and call it something else

[copper flame]

was cryo feathered or scaley

[undone parcel]

most likley some form of filament

[sullen cairn]

Me when every megaraptoran reconstruction is just a composite of the entire clade because they all have crap material

[bright veldt]

We don’t know. Early theropods are in this gray area where we don’t really have a clue what they got in terms of coverings

[wary panther]

Anyways, Tyrannosaurids are just a big dogs and acted/hunted the same way, change my mind fr

[light osprey]

Last climate study said Antarctica was something like southern Patagonia at the time so good money on substantial covering of sorts.

[undone parcel]

theres literaly a perfect hunt by rex in PHP2

[wary panther]

Tyrannosaurids aline similar to dogs ngl, expect rex though, but tyrannosaurids are fairly close

[undone parcel]

doubt it

[sullen cairn]

I still wish there was an austroraptor abelisaur fight for no reason other than it’d be cool

[copper flame]

dogs are run down predators

[wary panther]

That could aline with certain tyrannosaurids

[undone parcel]

did a abelisaur coexist with Austro..cant remember

[wary panther]

I forgot where austro even lived 💀

[undone parcel]

Argentina, hence Austroraptor

[sullen cairn]

Quilmesaurus and niebla

[copper flame]

getting hunted by an adolecent tyrannosaurus would be scary tbh

[undone parcel]

so 2 smallish ones

[wary panther]

getting hunted by a tyrannosaur is a gift, enjoy it while it last

[copper flame]

id rather not have my leg snapped like a twig by a theropod

[undone parcel]

see my problem is Austro had relativley tiny arms so id think it wouldnt really fair well in a proper fight

[light osprey]

Bonapartenykus comes first, no exceptions

[sullen cairn]

Tbf quilmesaurus is pretty middle of the road overall in terms of abelisaurid size and still like double austro’s mass

[undone parcel]

id watch a person get eaten

[copper flame]

sauropod with the longest neck other than my pfp

[tidal raven]

I've really started to notice in the past decade how much of hunts are cut off. They show the chase, the initial takedown (usually, if it's "clean" enough), and then it will always suddenly jump cut to a half-eaten corpse

[undone parcel]

to be fair imagine a rexs bite on anything...probably for the best they did it

[wary panther]

Because nature isn't clean, thats what people need to know fr

[undone parcel]

correction thats what disney lovers need to learn

[wary panther]

Ive seen how crocdilians kill their prey, nothing disney about that

The preds in prehistoric planet, if similar to modern reptiles/birds, would have ingested their prey violently

[undone parcel]

i mean..Raja and baby Isisaurus

[tidal raven]

I keep snakes, tarantulas and flesh-eating isopods (among others). Don't have to tell me twice

[wary panther]

abelisaurus would be... dear god

[undone parcel]

PHP2 continued the tradition of mass Sauropod baby murder

[copper flame]

they kinda just picked them up than swallowed them so there was no need for them to you know... bite them i half

[wary panther]

I once saw my turtle rip flesh of a fish with its claws

[tidal raven]

Heck, my parrot took a chunk of flesh out of my cheek once

[wary panther]

Even though this is a bit childish, can we see an animal actually fillet an animal the proper way?

[undone parcel]

its a tiny baby whats the chance the jaw strength wouldnt just bite them in half

[wary panther]

maybe, 0.01%?

But I doubt the mosasaurus got all the baby in its mouth, probably bit a massive chunk out of it and had the rest float away.

[undone parcel]

...we are talkin about Abelisaurs

[wary panther]

MB

They still would have been somewhat ... violent in there successful hunts

[undone parcel]

yes cause nature is violent

[wary panther]

Sadly it isn't disney and rainbows and dinosaurs having a "good time" happens not so often

Man, I wish prehistoric planet depicted real unknown behavior

[pearl briar]

how excellent is rex' senses?

[wary panther]

Really good

[pearl briar]

thx

[wary panther]

Np mate

[stiff osprey]

Mainly its sense of smell. Eyesight is good but not exceptional and idk about the hearing

[tidal raven]

If you really want to see violence, monitor lizard hunts. "Thrash and bash"

[wary panther]

hearing was good, can't find the study though

[undone parcel]

isnt the eyesight suggested 3ish miles

[wary panther]

3 miles, and they had massive eyeballs.

[pearl briar]

last time i heard rex can see 4 miles better than those of eagles and hawks

[undone parcel]

i normally dont care about rex personally so i just never look into studies

[wary panther]

might be a bit much, but yeah it was better

[stiff osprey]

The study gives huge error bars for rex vision, it could be better than an eagle or worse than a human. It could see in color better than us at least

[copper flame]

I want a more accurate and gorey documentery tbh man 😦

[wary panther]

Oh sh, I remeber that study..................

[undone parcel]

dont forget to credit artists

[wary panther]

Goofy rule fr

[copper flame]

mark witton and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh idk

[pearl briar]

i forgor how strong is rex bite force 💀
is it still 35.000-58.000 newtons or updated?

[wary panther]

yes, and its larger with bigger specimens

[undone parcel]

1st is Brian Engh and second it Witton

[copper flame]

I was about to say that.

[wary panther]

yeah, sure................

[copper flame]

i was looking

[undone parcel]

no one talks about Dryptosaurus, thing has big talons

[wary panther]

Anyways, Tyrannosaurus Rex would at some point decapitate a Triceratops

[deft sigil]

A general channel reminder to please keep this channel and all posts in our server appropriate and SFW while in conversation. Refer to our #rules

[pearl briar]

y'know what
forget abt rex
this is day 103791819173927 of me waiting kenyan giant abelisaur to got described

[wary panther]

HUH?

[undone parcel]

yes cause we have evidence that they regularly pulled frills off to get to neck meat

[undone parcel]

the paper is in the works

[wary panther]

They really aren't leaving much fossil evidence for anything, those darn tyrannosaurus

[undone parcel]

not likle its the most common theropod in Hell Creek

[wary panther]

And consumes a absurd amount of food plus the bone

[undone parcel]

ehh one decent Edmonto and trike sustains it

[wary panther]

If a tyrannosaurus rex scavenged their bodies, there is going to be not much left

[undone parcel]

depends how much was on the carcass before it got there

[wary panther]

if there is bone, there is food 😎

[light osprey]

Certainly won’t he getting that from prehistoric planet. In case that wasn’t clear

[copper flame]

how did spinosaur walk on 2 legs with that toothpic femur
my theory is that they pulled a tripod with its tail
or they had longer legs

[wary panther]

or it was, just light

[undone parcel]

it walked cause..it could, if itcouldnt it wouldnt have legs

[pearl briar]

^

[wary panther]

Don't ask, Spinosaurus is too weird

[hybrid spindle]

Fr and those spino fanboys who thought it could beat rex

[undone parcel]

spinos normal

[pearl briar]

do not talk to my precious controversial boy like that 😡

[light osprey]

Kind of a wonky characterisation of its posture too. Just a bit silly looking to me. Here’s a pretty one

[wary panther]

he wants to eat fishy 🙂

[undone parcel]

Gabriul N. U

[light osprey]

Yeah mb

[pearl briar]

god Gabriel Ugueto is such a 🐐

[wary panther]

Might of not hunted large dinos, but they certainly ate big fish

[copper flame]

big ass fish

[wary panther]

Large ahhhh fish

[undone parcel]

it wouldnt normally since Carch filled that niche

[copper flame]

id still bet on spino beating a carch

[pearl briar]

mawsonia moment

[wary panther]

Carch ate fish??!?!?!??!? 🤯

[undone parcel]

i mean maybe.. any meat is food

[copper flame]

50/50 split between a spino and carch fight

[wary panther]

Mf carchardonotosaurus gaining the ability to hunt fish 🤯

[elfin pulsar]

I mean you don’t need to specialize in fish to hunt them

[light osprey]

Based on average size I don’t think so. Or maybe mature Spinosaurus are a hard find

[undone parcel]

if its a drought and fish are caught in small pools carch probably could

[pearl briar]

plot twist: spino & carcha are actually lover, not fighter

[elfin pulsar]

Dogs catch fish after getting used to it it wouldn’t be anything crazy haha

[wary panther]

Spine bitten by carchar moment:

[pearl briar]

nah 💀

[copper flame]

spino got no enemies

[undone parcel]

logically spino could beat any theropod if it slapped them and just discouraged them

[light osprey]

Ergh all of Ugueto’s art on Google is low res. Pain

[wary panther]

Every single land theropod:

[wary panther]

or, stay in the water, challenge them, watch them leave, win B)

[elfin pulsar]

Why’s it extinct then 🤨🤨

[undone parcel]

the Turonian Turnover

[pearl briar]

i recommend to download Ugueto's arts at twitter (or X) it has a good res trust me

[copper flame]

to much water

[wary panther]

Bro couldn't handle the land 🗣️

[undone parcel]

its because spino is a prime example of being too overspecialiazed

[wary panther]

No seriously, spinosaurus had close to no chance simply being land based

[light osprey]

Oh ok, to X I go. Nabbed this from Instagram though

[copper flame]

the big three vs an argentinosaurus who gonna win

[wary panther]

By the time its habitat got destroyed, it already became a whole crocodile 💀

[undone parcel]

less habitat destruction and more sea levels lowered

[wary panther]

giga carries, rex steals the win, spino uses it magical powers to do all the damage

[light osprey]

No more fishies 😔

[pearl briar]

insta is good too

[wary panther]

Fishes go bye bye

[undone parcel]

i have a Bichir solely cause Bawitius

[compact leaf]

we know sea levels went down but it's hard to say what exactly was happening in north africa in the later cretaceous

[wary panther]

Spinosaurus came back for a comeback 🤯

[undone parcel]

no spinosaurs are extinct after the turonian

[wary panther]

joke

[pearl briar]

turonian?
turok?

[copper flame]

rex stomps ever other theropod with a 20% of losing

[light osprey]

Abelisaurs, Titanosaurs. Copy and paste it everywhere post Santonian or something

[wary panther]

Based + cry more + get dogged on + strongest bite force out of any land animal + negs your favorite theropod 🗿

[light osprey]

More delicious Spinosaurs

[pearl briar]

eww it's lipless
blocks you

[undone parcel]

rex feasibly can easily lose any fight with something in its weight class...or under with Denversaurus and anky

[compact leaf]

there's several places we don't really know what happened past cenomanian assuming we have cretaceous rock there that even goes that late

abelisaurs are always a safe guess outside of north america though

[undone parcel]

yea Abelisaurs became apex anywhere Megaraptora didnt exist down south

[copper flame]

I bet the biggest theropod will be a abelisaurid

[light osprey]

Pteranodontians in Western Asia and Africa. Sampling biases be damned I believe it’s real

[undone parcel]

Spino=longest theropod and rex is heaviest so i doubt it

[compact leaf]

I can respect a belief like that

[undone parcel]

whats the chances of a African Megaraptoran

[copper flame]

giga tallest my height

[undone parcel]

no Spino has height too ptretty sure

[copper flame]

aw 😦

[undone parcel]

yea helps when you get a extra 6ish feet with a sail

[copper flame]

hey atleast giga is the second haviest

[pearl briar]

idk abt the heaviest tho
it can be rex, it can be giga, or it can be both according to https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

[copper flame]

13 ton rex when

[undone parcel]

i doubt gigas weight estimates considering all we got for the big ones a jaw

[light osprey]

MSNM v4047 has them beat in sail/neck height. Don’t know about proper S. aegyptiacus though

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-never-not-in-a-million-years-steve-carell-gif-13485067

[undone parcel]

i just want more material for Tyrannotitan

[copper flame]

should i trust the vividen than

[compact leaf]

there is a dentary specimen that gets to those sizes as well, and the holotype had the dentary so honestly the big one is decently close to S. aegyptiacus proper

[wary panther]

WOAH

[light osprey]

Lovely

[pearl briar]

idk abt cope tho but last time i heard according to @stiff osprey (srry for the ping tho) he's 9.5-10.8 tons so yeah...

[wary panther]

WHO SAID SPINOSAURUS WAS THE TALLEST?

[copper flame]

BY THE SPINE

[light osprey]

Me me, I did

[pearl briar]

uhh...
10 years old me 😔

[wary panther]

ITS BY THE HIP, RAHHHHHHHHH

[light osprey]

Don’t care 💅

[undone parcel]

spino is tallest..

[copper flame]

so cope is 10 tons than

[wary panther]

its not....

[undone parcel]

6 foot sail

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus is taller than you, that’s all that matters

[pearl briar]

it's not, theri is taller than him (spino)

[wary panther]

measured by hip, not sail

[copper flame]

i forgot about dat damn turkey